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Installation of 30 traffic lights to cause four month delays
10:19am Monday 14th April 2008
Comments (54)JUST when you thought traffic in Southampton couldn't get any worse - plans have been unveiled to put 30 traffic lights on one roundabout.
The council plans to install the traffic lights at a major city roundabout later this month have sparked fears of yet more congestion.
Last week the AA named Southampton as the fourth slowest moving city in the country with average road speeds of 17.8mph - just behind London.
Now ten traffic lights are to be put in place on Millbrook Roundabout, with two lights each at five different points.
And ten "toucan" crossings - with two traffic lights each - for cyclists and pedestrians are to be put at the roundabout's five approaches and five exits.
The work will take the total number of traffic lights on the roundabout, its approaches and exits from none to a staggering 30.
Fears have been raised by the Association of British Drivers that the lights could cause permanent traffic jams.
Regional spokesman Roger Lawson said: "There are a few cases where there is a need for traffic lights. But the whole point of a roundabout is that there should be a continuous flow of traffic. With traffic lights, vehicles have to pause and this interrupts the flow."
The Highways Agency caused mayhem when it installed new "intelligent" traffic lights at the junction of the M27 and M271 last year.
Thousands of drivers faced daily motorway misery in what was dubbed one of the "worst highways blunders in the south".
They were forced eventually to switch them off before changing the way they were phased.
Nicky Hirst, of Southampton and Fareham Chamber of Commerce, said it was hoped disruption from the latest work could be kept to a minimum.
'Safety is key'
Grant Woodall, spokesman for Business Southampton, which represents more than 80 businesses, said: "Safety is key but it is also important for Southampton businesses that the city has a good transport infrastructure."
Roads are also to be resurfaced and new pedestrian and cycle paths introduced when work on the Millbrook Roundabout and Dock Gate 20 begins on April 21.
During the roadworks local diversion signs will be put up and a temporary 30mph limit will be introduced on Millbrook Road (including the flyover), Redbridge Road and Tebourba Way.
Traffic bosses at Southampton City Council have said that once the work is completed there will be better traffic flow and safety improvements.
A council spokesman said that "every effort" would be made to keep disruption to a minimum, with
some of the £2m scheme being carried out overnight.
A three-week public consultation and traffic studies were carried out earlier this year.
Council leader June Bridle said: "This is a huge investment by the council to improve Southampton's road infrastructure. Southampton's built environment and economy is developing at a fast pace in support of its importance as the regional centre. It's essential we improve our road infrastructure to cope with this."
The city council has pledged to invest £22m this year on a range of mainly transport-related projects, including maintenance works for Millbrook and Redbridge flyovers.
The roundabout's new traffic lights will add to Southampton's current total of 102 traffic-controlled junctions and 89 pedestrian- controlled traffic lights.
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Condor Man, Southampton says...
11:08am Mon 14 Apr 08
1. most lorry drivers coming into the docks drive like nutters, and
2. the site has been hit a few times by travellers.
Job done- for a change
Dan, Southampton says...
11:08am Mon 14 Apr 08
depressed, says...
11:13am Mon 14 Apr 08
,no,no,no,no,no,no!
shake head , Cry....
:(
gladis, millbrook trading estate says...
11:35am Mon 14 Apr 08
Michael White, Bangkok says...
11:40am Mon 14 Apr 08
Creature Void of Form, says...
12:05pm Mon 14 Apr 08
Council worker, says...
12:11pm Mon 14 Apr 08
mr jonson, millbrook says...
12:14pm Mon 14 Apr 08
kevin, southampton says...
12:14pm Mon 14 Apr 08
Ted, Southampton says...
12:23pm Mon 14 Apr 08
Why doesn't the council think radically and out of the box? Why don't they get ABP to stump up the cash for a tunnel directly off the M271 roundabout straight into the docks. Think of how the traffic would flow freely and how many accidents would be averted by allowing these lorries to travel ina straight line rather than careering around a poor designed roundabout. It's a winwin situation. The docks gets fast flowing container lorries straight to it's door and the local population can sleep soundly in their beds knowing that they are unlikely to get crushed in their cars. Chances of the council asking ABP to raise the revunue? Zilch! Time we had a decent council!
Cyclist and pedestrian, says...
12:34pm Mon 14 Apr 08
p.s. I do have a car and pay the relevant taxes.
jesus, a teapot says...
12:42pm Mon 14 Apr 08
I like the tunnel idea. Swampy and his ilk however do not.
Pete, southampton says...
12:51pm Mon 14 Apr 08
The Container Lorries are a serious road safety hazard, tear up the road surface and cause noise and air pollution to local residents
Ted, Southampton says...
12:52pm Mon 14 Apr 08
jesus wrote:To be fair Jesus, I'm not too sure Swampy and his mates would be too bothered if we drilled a large tunnel under an existing road work. There's no trees to chain themselves to.
Traffic signal company is Siemens. Also M27/M271 horror was nothing to do with the council, Highways Agency and Mott McDonald squarely to blame. I like the tunnel idea. Swampy and his ilk however do not.
PC Farley, Safe comfy car says...
12:57pm Mon 14 Apr 08
Dan, Southampton says...
12:59pm Mon 14 Apr 08
Ted wrote:Hmmm... you are talking about 'Redbridge roundabout', the story is about 'Millbrook roundabout'!
Blame the docks and the idiot drivers employed to loadoff load there. Look the state of roundabout. I've lost count the amount of times speeding lorries have left the docks only to fall over as they negotiate the bend onto the M271 from the roundabout.
Why doesn't the council think radically and out of the box? Why don't they get ABP to stump up the cash for a tunnel directly off the M271 roundabout straight into the docks. Think of how the traffic would flow freely and how many accidents would be averted by allowing these lorries to travel ina straight line rather than careering around a poor designed roundabout. It's a winwin situation. The docks gets fast flowing container lorries straight to it's door and the local population can sleep soundly in their beds knowing that they are unlikely to get crushed in their cars. Chances of the council asking ABP to raise the revunue? Zilch! Time we had a decent council!
As for the tunnel.....nice in principle, but a project like that would cost in excess of 1 billion pounds. As weathly as ABP are, they don't have a handy billion lying around.
George, says...
12:59pm Mon 14 Apr 08
Dan, Southampton says...
1:01pm Mon 14 Apr 08
Ted wrote:Well to start with, you're talking about a completely different roundabout. The story is about Millbrook roundabout, NOT Redbridge.
Blame the docks and the idiot drivers employed to loadoff load there. Look the state of roundabout. I've lost count the amount of times speeding lorries have left the docks only to fall over as they negotiate the bend onto the M271 from the roundabout.
Why doesn't the council think radically and out of the box? Why don't they get ABP to stump up the cash for a tunnel directly off the M271 roundabout straight into the docks. Think of how the traffic would flow freely and how many accidents would be averted by allowing these lorries to travel ina straight line rather than careering around a poor designed roundabout. It's a winwin situation. The docks gets fast flowing container lorries straight to it's door and the local population can sleep soundly in their beds knowing that they are unlikely to get crushed in their cars. Chances of the council asking ABP to raise the revunue? Zilch! Time we had a decent council!
As for the tunnel....a project like that would cost in excess of a billion pound. And i'm afraid to say, ABP do not have a spare billion lying around.
Derrrrrrrrrr, says...
1:05pm Mon 14 Apr 08
Dan wrote:Maybe before you slag of SCC for everything you should realise
Arrghghhhhhhh! The whole point of a roundabout is to prevent traffic jams and allow you to move when the way is clear! Traffic lights simply force the traffic to a complete stand still. How do the council constantly get things wrong! You would have thought they would have learnt their lesson after the M27/M271 debacle! And we simply allow them to keep doing it! Grrrr!
1) M271/M27 roundabout isnt in the SCC area.
2)Its a motorway roundabout so the Highway agency look after it
3)its in HCC area so they liase with Highway Agency.
This roundabout needs re-surfacing, and made safer for pedestrians as the lorries hurtle towards it without a care.
George, says...
1:10pm Mon 14 Apr 08
Dan wrote:I think Ted's point is, if HGV traffic bound for the docks got there other than along Millbrook Road, these measures wouldn't be necessary in the first place
Ted wrote: Blame the docks and the idiot drivers
employed to loadoff load there. Look the state of roundabout. I've lost
count the amount of times speeding lorries have left the docks only to
fall over as they negotiate the bend onto the M271 from the roundabout.
Why doesn't the council think radically and out of the box? Why don't
they get ABP to stump up the cash for a tunnel directly off the M271
roundabout straight into the docks. Think of how the traffic would flow
freely and how many accidents would be averted by allowing these
lorries to travel ina straight line rather than careering around a poor
designed roundabout. It's a winwin situation. The docks gets fast
flowing container lorries straight to it's door and the local
population can sleep soundly in their beds knowing that they are
unlikely to get crushed in their cars. Chances of the council asking
ABP to raise the revunue? Zilch! Time we had a decent council!
Well to start with, you're talking about a completely different
roundabout. The story is about Millbrook roundabout, NOT Redbridge.
As for the tunnel....a project like that would cost in excess of a
billion pound. And i'm afraid to say, ABP do not have a spare billion
lying around.
Mike, Southampton says...
1:18pm Mon 14 Apr 08
Get it right, Hythe says...
1:23pm Mon 14 Apr 08
gladis wrote:When will someone without a brain stop shouting and learn to spell properly?
WHAT THE HELL!! COMIN IN TO WORK AND GOING HOME IS GONNA BE A BLOODY NIGHTMARE...NOT TO MENTION ALL THE LOSS THE BUSINESSES ON THE ADJACENT ESTATES WILL MAKE DUE TO PEOPLE GOING ELSEWHERE TO AVAOID THE (YET MORE) ROADWORX IN THE AREA...WHEN WILL SOMEONE WITH A BRAIN MAKE SOME SENSIBLE DECISIONS??
Scott Griffin, Redbridge says...
1:29pm Mon 14 Apr 08
Janner, Southampton says...
1:32pm Mon 14 Apr 08
Bye,bye June and cohorts.
Greenpeace, says...
1:41pm Mon 14 Apr 08
gladis wrote:How about not driving to work?
WHAT THE HELL!! COMIN IN TO WORK AND GOING HOME IS GONNA BE A BLOODY NIGHTMARE...NOT TO MENTION ALL THE LOSS THE BUSINESSES ON THE ADJACENT ESTATES WILL MAKE DUE TO PEOPLE GOING ELSEWHERE TO AVAOID THE (YET MORE) ROADWORX IN THE AREA...WHEN WILL SOMEONE WITH A BRAIN MAKE SOME SENSIBLE DECISIONS??
How about finding another route?
Or would you rather they didnt tell you and just turned up?
dyjps, Southampton says...
1:42pm Mon 14 Apr 08
Seeing RED !, Stuck at the lights ! says...
1:43pm Mon 14 Apr 08
Exasperated Driver, Highway Hell says...
1:44pm Mon 14 Apr 08
How was the three week public consultation and traffic study carried out ?
Where are the results ?
Looks like just another sticking plaster initiative when what is really needed is major resurfacing on many of the main roads in Southampton
J. Smith, says...
1:53pm Mon 14 Apr 08
facing!!
Greaser, says...
2:18pm Mon 14 Apr 08
JAMES, MILLBROOK says...
2:27pm Mon 14 Apr 08
Next year it will be offering us flying buses to get round all the lights!
freemantle ... but not free, freemantle says...
2:32pm Mon 14 Apr 08
why fix something that is not broken?
just so our hard earned tax money can be wasted while we sit at lights watching our petrol drain away at £1.11 a litre and clog up the atmosphere and global warming (if you believe the govnt hype).
Is this so soton council can start advertising our new theme for the city "Traffic light city"
I wish i could cycle to work but as i have appointments with a laptop all over hampshire that is rather difficult.
This is leading me to be extremely depressed and honestly considering moving to a city that is more car friendly which leaves virtually everywhere available apart from london.
Do these fools in the coucil realise they will drive high rate tax payers OUT of the city if they cannot get where they are going.
The lights at M27/M271 i thought proved how ridiculous this council are... obviously we all have no idea how ridiculous the transport councillors ideas can possibly be.
1 roundabout = free flow
30 lights = 10 traffic jams .
I suddenly feel in need of a stiff drink!
Freemental, Slow but too slow to work for SCC says...
2:40pm Mon 14 Apr 08
freemantle ... but not free wrote:Another person quick to blame the M27/M271 on the council.
How slow do you have to be to work in soton council? why fix something that is not broken? just so our hard earned tax money can be wasted while we sit at lights watching our petrol drain away at £1.11 a litre and clog up the atmosphere and global warming (if you believe the govnt hype). Is this so soton council can start advertising our new theme for the city "Traffic light city" I wish i could cycle to work but as i have appointments with a laptop all over hampshire that is rather difficult. This is leading me to be extremely depressed and honestly considering moving to a city that is more car friendly which leaves virtually everywhere available apart from london. Do these fools in the coucil realise they will drive high rate tax payers OUT of the city if they cannot get where they are going. The lights at M27/M271 i thought proved how ridiculous this council are... obviously we all have no idea how ridiculous the transport councillors ideas can possibly be. 1 roundabout = free flow 30 lights = 10 traffic jams . I suddenly feel in need of a stiff drink!
Try the Highway Agency and HCC also look at a area map and work out where the SCC boundary is.
P.s. Roundabouts do not make free flowing traffic during peak flows of traffic due to you having to give way. Read up on it then come back here.
George, says...
3:16pm Mon 14 Apr 08
Freemental wrote:Regardless of who someone thinks is responsible, those points remain valid.
freemantle ... but not free wrote:Another person quick to blame the
How slow do you have to be to work in soton council? why fix something
that is not broken? just so our hard earned tax money can be wasted
while we sit at lights watching our petrol drain away at £1.11 a litre
and clog up the atmosphere and global warming (if you believe the govnt
hype). Is this so soton council can start advertising our new theme for
the city "Traffic light city" I wish i could cycle to work but as i
have appointments with a laptop all over hampshire that is rather
difficult. This is leading me to be extremely depressed and honestly
considering moving to a city that is more car friendly which leaves
virtually everywhere available apart from london. Do these fools in the
coucil realise they will drive high rate tax payers OUT of the city if
they cannot get where they are going. The lights at M27/M271 i thought
proved how ridiculous this council are... obviously we all have no idea
how ridiculous the transport councillors ideas can possibly be. 1
roundabout = free flow 30 lights = 10 traffic jams . I suddenly feel in
need of a stiff drink!
M27/M271 on the council.
Try the Highway Agency and HCC also look at a area map and work out
where the SCC boundary is.
P.s. Roundabouts do not make free flowing traffic during peak flows of
traffic due to you having to give way. Read up on it then come back
here.
Regarding whether or not roundabouts make for free-flowing traffic, I'd rather trust observable and observed results than what it says in some book. From what I've observed over the years, roundabouts go a long way further than traffic lights do in the "get 'em moving" stakes
Paula, Marchwood says...
3:44pm Mon 14 Apr 08
Freemental, says...
4:19pm Mon 14 Apr 08
You are very tiresome. Where do you think these "books" gather there information from? Real live data. Yes roundabouts work fine in clear to medium traffic, but in rush hour traffic (which this roundabout) recieves most of the time they dont, you sit there waiting for a so called cap and it lets out little cars a go, where as Traffic Lights can detect and let thru more cars than normally you would get.
The motorway roundabout a eastleigh is a good example, look at Stoneham Way, no lights and is usually backed up to Burgess road, other junctions with lights work fine.
Then the M27/M271 roundabout was a nonsense descion, but hey 8 months on, no-one says anything and its working fine, the biggest problem with that was "LACK OF ADVANCE WARNING" i.e they had none.
Traffic lights are safer and enable traffic to flow better during peak hours, without them its left to road users and the majority or these are bubbling idiots, stuck in there own self importance not letting people out safely etc.
George, says...
4:27pm Mon 14 Apr 08
Freemental wrote:Yes, I suppose it must be quite tiresome to have your attempt to sound authoritative questioned. Ah well, them's the breaks. You ain't gonna convince me that what I've observed, I actually haven't
George,
You are very tiresome. Where do you think these \"books\" gather there
information from? Real live data. Yes roundabouts work fine in clear to
medium traffic, but in rush hour traffic (which this roundabout)
recieves most of the time they dont, you sit there waiting for a so
called cap and it lets out little cars a go, where as Traffic Lights
can detect and let thru more cars than normally you would get.
The motorway roundabout a eastleigh is a good example, look at Stoneham
Way, no lights and is usually backed up to Burgess road, other
junctions with lights work fine. Then the M27/M271 roundabout was a
nonsense descion, but hey 8 months on, no-one says anything and its
working fine, the biggest problem with that was \"LACK OF ADVANCE
WARNING\" i.e they had none. Traffic lights are safer and enable traffic
to flow better during peak hours, without them its left to road users
and the majority or these are bubbling idiots, stuck in there own self
importance not letting people out safely etc.
richard, southampton says...
4:40pm Mon 14 Apr 08
GG SOTON, soton says...
4:41pm Mon 14 Apr 08
Freemental, says...
4:49pm Mon 14 Apr 08
George wrote:Interesting argument.
Freemental wrote: George, You are very tiresome. Where do you think these \"books\" gather there information from? Real live data. Yes roundabouts work fine in clear to medium traffic, but in rush hour traffic (which this roundabout) recieves most of the time they dont, you sit there waiting for a so called cap and it lets out little cars a go, where as Traffic Lights can detect and let thru more cars than normally you would get. The motorway roundabout a eastleigh is a good example, look at Stoneham Way, no lights and is usually backed up to Burgess road, other junctions with lights work fine. Then the M27/M271 roundabout was a nonsense descion, but hey 8 months on, no-one says anything and its working fine, the biggest problem with that was \"LACK OF ADVANCE WARNING\" i.e they had none. Traffic lights are safer and enable traffic to flow better during peak hours, without them its left to road users and the majority or these are bubbling idiots, stuck in there own self importance not letting people out safely etc.Yes, I suppose it must be quite tiresome to have your attempt to sound authoritative questioned. Ah well, them's the breaks. You ain't gonna convince me that what I've observed, I actually haven't
I now agree with you.
Costa Baz, says...
5:06pm Mon 14 Apr 08
Frustrated motorist, Southampton says...
5:40pm Mon 14 Apr 08
The problem lies with the speed that the traffic flows round the roundabout and the total lack of lane discipline.
The first problem can be solved by putting in speed humps. If you slow down the individual speed of the car already on the roundabout, then other motorists will have more than a split-second to make the decision (or not) to enter the roundabout. The result is, car speeds go down but traffic flow increases - to everyones benefit.
The second problem can be addressed by clearer lane markings. For instance, when you enter the roundabout from Tebourba Way and want to turn left onto Millbrook Road West, how long do you wait until there are two clear lanes ahead of you. And how many times do you watch a car switch from lane to lane, usually at high speed, without using indicators, going from lane 3 to lane 1 before exiting? The answer is ... Well, sit there and count them.
An intelligent solution? Possibly, but don't hold your breath waiting for the council to make it happen.
More lights? Definitely Not!
Ted, Southampton says...
5:57pm Mon 14 Apr 08
Dan wrote:Actually I should have made it clearer, apologies. I'm actually talking about both the Redbridge and the Millbrook roundabouts. When you travel around the world and see other ports you'll see that the local infrastructure around these ports has been adapated to take the heavy traffic away from local traffic by the use of flyovers and tunnels.
Ted wrote: Blame the docks and the idiot drivers employed to loadoff load there. Look the state of roundabout. I\'ve lost count the amount of times speeding lorries have left the docks only to fall over as they negotiate the bend onto the M271 from the roundabout. Why doesn\'t the council think radically and out of the box? Why don\'t they get ABP to stump up the cash for a tunnel directly off the M271 roundabout straight into the docks. Think of how the traffic would flow freely and how many accidents would be averted by allowing these lorries to travel ina straight line rather than careering around a poor designed roundabout. It\'s a winwin situation. The docks gets fast flowing container lorries straight to it\'s door and the local population can sleep soundly in their beds knowing that they are unlikely to get crushed in their cars. Chances of the council asking ABP to raise the revunue? Zilch! Time we had a decent council!Hmmm... you are talking about \'Redbridge roundabout\', the story is about \'Millbrook roundabout\'! As for the tunnel.....nice in principle, but a project like that would cost in excess of 1 billion pounds. As weathly as ABP are, they don\'t have a handy billion lying around.
As wealthy as ABP are they could easily raise the revenue by selling off some of their lesser ports such as those in Wales like Cardiff etc. These ports are not used as much as Southampton and they could easily sell off a lot of the land around these smaller ports for recreational use or housing and make a mint. They've already started this; watch an episode of Torchwood and see how much of Cardiff has been sold off. Imagine how much traffic could leave the port if there was a dedicated route out? Also, as it'd benefit the local community and the ports industry I'm sure Gordon Brown would probably lend them a few quid as well.
What this City needs is someone who's willing to redesign and change the infrastructure to meet it's needs. If this means moving the Nissan garage at the bottom of the M271 and creating a decicated road and tunnel then so be it. It'll benefit the local community and the port of Southampton.
local, says...
6:06pm Mon 14 Apr 08
There's a reason why traffic in Southampton snarls up so much; so many traffic lights that you can't go a few metres without stopping. Traffic lights are inefficient. That's why some Dutch towns are removing them altogether.
shut up, letterbox says...
7:40pm Mon 14 Apr 08
.............
SOUTHAMPTON THE CITY OF A THOUSAND LIGHTS..............
aghh, says...
7:53pm Mon 14 Apr 08
Betty Swollocks, southampton says...
8:56pm Mon 14 Apr 08
Condor Man wrote:what you going on about ?
I can think of two reasons for putting lights on the roundabout: 1. most lorry drivers coming into the docks drive like nutters, and 2. the site has been hit a few times by travellers. Job done- for a change
we'll get trucks sat at lights with their engines running at 2am waiting for the lights to change when there is no traffic. VERY ENVIRONMENTAL.
how will lights stop the pikey scum parking on the verges?
SCC have created issues with this roundabout, we are needlessly forced into one lane when approaching from terbourba way. they have made it one lane to turn right and one left when the majority goes right so we should use both lanes.
i pity the locals with stationary traffic at all hours.
this council have truely lost the plot when it comes to management.
Mike, So'ton says...
9:08pm Mon 14 Apr 08
There's repairs and other things that need doing with the money wasted on this.
I think the people in the planning dept that come up with schemes like this, the Deacon Road junction and other schemes, need to realise what they are doing to this city! We are for better or worse a city that is promoted as a shopping destination and gateway to the world, that needs good access into and through the city. Otherwise, people will stay away, and I'm talking about the ones 'they' want, not us folk who have to live and work here.
William, Southampton says...
9:29pm Mon 14 Apr 08
Ted's hit the nail on the head by saying that there needs to be a dedicated route into the port that doesn't mix with local traffic. Major companies like ABP and SCT must take responsibility and at least pay towards the cost of such work, it is these companies that are responsible for large amounts of traffic. Improved roads for them means more capability.
As a so called major port city Southampton is light years behind it's counterparts around the world when it comes to traffic management. The less HGV's on around the local roads of Southampton means that the roads are less likely to be ripped up and will cost less to maintain.
sotonian, southampton says...
11:10pm Mon 14 Apr 08
Ted wrote:
Dan wrote:Actually I should have made it clearer, apologies. I\'m actually talking about both the Redbridge and the Millbrook roundabouts. When you travel around the world and see other ports you\'ll see that the local infrastructure around these ports has been adapated to take the heavy traffic away from local traffic by the use of flyovers and tunnels. As wealthy as ABP are they could easily raise the revenue by selling off some of their lesser ports such as those in Wales like Cardiff etc. These ports are not used as much as Southampton and they could easily sell off a lot of the land around these smaller ports for recreational use or housing and make a mint. They\'ve already started this; watch an episode of TorchwooTed wrote: Blame the docks and the idiot drivers employed to loadoff load there. Look the state of roundabout. I\\\'ve lost count the amount of times speeding lorries have left the docks only to fall over as they negotiate the bend onto the M271 from the roundabout. Why doesn\\\'t the council think radically and out of the box? Why don\\\'t they get ABP to stump up the cash for a tunnel directly off the M271 roundabout straight into the docks. Think of how the traffic would flow freely and how many accidents would be averted by allowing these lorries to travel ina straight line rather than careering around a poor designed roundabout. It\\\'s a winwin situation. The docks gets fast flowing container lorries straight to it\\\'s door and the local population can sleep soundly in their beds knowing that they are unlikely to get crushed in their cars. Chances of the council asking ABP to raise the revunue? Zilch! Time we had a decent council!Hmmm... you are talking about \\\'Redbridge roundabout\\\', the story is about \\\'Millbrook roundabout\\\'! As for the tunnel.....nice in principle, but a project like that would cost in excess of 1 billion pounds. As weathly as ABP are, they don\\\'t have a handy billion lying around.
gorf, soton says...
10:27am Mon 14 Apr 08
before they do this they should clearly mark all the roads around the city as either 1 or 2 lanes.
Like thomas lewis way, the avenue, at most traffic lights ie the ones at st denys road and thomas lewis way.
Traffic lights at st james road / winchester road should be able to turn right when traffic is turning left from opposite direction!