Teachers are gods...Well at least they think they are. They listen to no-one but themselves.

All those years using outmoded methods of torture such as racks, crucifixion and nailing people to things, and all I really had to do was make them wear woolly jumpers! What a mad, impetuous, devastatingly handsome young fool I've been!

Yes, yes we are, we have our little classrooms and when the students come in, they enter our world. All our delusions of power are realised and we feel all warm and fuzzy for that limited time that is our lesson!
Blame the teachers I say, what the hell do they know about the real world!

Kids having to ask permission from those in charge before they do something!
I am shocked and appalled, I thought the youth of today were stronger than that and just did as they pleased.
If things continue like this, consideration for others and respect will soon start creeping back in, and then where the hell will we end up.

The head teacher Di Nightingale has always been a little bit controversial. I remember years ago her locking the doors to keep all the pupils contained in their classrooms. She treats children like animals. Sure, there are some children / teenagers with little respect for themselves and others but treating them all like criminals wont help.
I thought school was all about preparing children for the adult world......making them ask a teacher if they can regulate their own body temperture is hardly facilitating independant living.

Mountbatten School has a similar rule regarding the removal of Blazers in the hot weather. Crazy really, when you see some of the little Vicki Pollards mincing in to school! Some of them wear mini-skirts that leave little to the imagination and are (supposedly) strictly against the rules. Perhaps I should send my son to school dressed as a tart – he’d get the p*** taken out of him but at least he’d stay cool!

Make the teachers subject to the same dress codes as the pupils and then see what happens.

jen wrote:
The head teacher Di Nightingale has always been a little bit controversial. I remember years ago her locking the doors to keep all the pupils contained in their classrooms. She treats children like animals. Sure, there are some children / teenagers with little respect for themselves and others but treating them all like criminals wont help. I thought school was all about preparing children for the adult world......making them ask a teacher if they can regulate their own body temperture is hardly facilitating independant living.

School IS all about preparing children for the adult world.
When they start employment and then just decide to remove their uniforms just because they feel like it, they may be severely reprimanded. It is all about installing discipline. My former headteacher was ex-RAF and strict to the extreme, during my time at school he retired and a younger head with new ideas came in, the school almost fell apart in his time there.

Rules are there for a reason and of couse they must ask for permission to take there sweaters of. other wise they will all be runing around wearing what they like to school , i had to wear my full uniform at weston park girls when i was there back in the 80s

Hounsdown school kept
all the girls back in assembley yesterday to tell them
off, because of this article that appeared in the paper
and blamed them.

Six of the best for all of them for daring to open their mouths - kids and whingeing parents !

Today the ambient temperature has dropped so the little diddums can keep their jumpers on.

I bet big tough Derek had shirt sleeves on during that hot weather and not his jumber.

I get all hot and bothered when I see a girl in school uniform...Phwoar!

sue wrote:
Hounsdown school kept all the girls back in assembley yesterday to tell them off, because of this article that appeared in the paper and blamed them.

These teachers are power mad, when dealing with little children. I bet they have not got the guts to take any of the parents on. When I asked to speak to the headmistress this week I was passed to her Personal Assistant. In my day, Personal Assistants did not exist in the school. So much for progress. When I wrote an e-mail to her last week she did not reply. This school has absolutely no idea what life in the outside world is all about. They certainly are preparing the kids for all the problems they will have in later life, with the morons and jobsworths they will no doubt encounter. Unfortunately, the idea that schooldays are the happiest days of your life went out years ago at this school.

John wrote:

sue wrote: Hounsdown school kept all the girls back in assembley yesterday to tell them off, because of this article that appeared in the paper and blamed them.

These teachers are power mad, when dealing with little children. I bet they have not got the guts to take any of the parents on. When I asked to speak to the headmistress this week I was passed to her Personal Assistant. In my day, Personal Assistants did not exist in the school. So much for progress. When I wrote an e-mail to her last week she did not reply. This school has absolutely no idea what life in the outside world is all about. They certainly are preparing the kids for all the problems they will have in later life, with the morons and jobsworths they will no doubt encounter. Unfortunately, the idea that schooldays are the happiest days of your life went out years ago at this school.

Sounds to me John, that you're part of the problem - why do you want to speak to the Headmistress ?

Just tell your kids to abide by the school rules - if they want to take off their jumper ask a teacher - how simple could it be ?

I bet you're one of those people who goes storming up to the school as soon as your kid whinges that a teacher looked at them the wrong way - your little angel would never do anything wrong would they.

John wrote:

sue wrote: Hounsdown school kept all the girls back in assembley yesterday to tell them off, because of this article that appeared in the paper and blamed them.

These teachers are power mad, when dealing with little children. I bet they have not got the guts to take any of the parents on. When I asked to speak to the headmistress this week I was passed to her Personal Assistant. In my day, Personal Assistants did not exist in the school. So much for progress. When I wrote an e-mail to her last week she did not reply. This school has absolutely no idea what life in the outside world is all about. They certainly are preparing the kids for all the problems they will have in later life, with the morons and jobsworths they will no doubt encounter. Unfortunately, the idea that schooldays are the happiest days of your life went out years ago at this school.

I agree John, making rules and then ensuring they are adhered to is no way to prepare our children.
Rules are there to be broken for heavens sake, why bother having them in the first place.
Lets do away with all forms of discipline and regime and lets all just look after number one.
Long live the revolution.
Power to the people!

Just wait til your kids start removing their baseball caps when they are supposed to be flipping burgers.

Rules are there for a reason, if you dont like them go somewhere else.

Wackford Squires wrote:

John wrote:

sue wrote: Hounsdown school kept all the girls back in assembley yesterday to tell them off, because of this article that appeared in the paper and blamed them.

These teachers are power mad, when dealing with little children. I bet they have not got the guts to take any of the parents on. When I asked to speak to the headmistress this week I was passed to her Personal Assistant. In my day, Personal Assistants did not exist in the school. So much for progress. When I wrote an e-mail to her last week she did not reply. This school has absolutely no idea what life in the outside world is all about. They certainly are preparing the kids for all the problems they will have in later life, with the morons and jobsworths they will no doubt encounter. Unfortunately, the idea that schooldays are the happiest days of your life went out years ago at this school.

Sounds to me John, that you're part of the problem - why do you want to speak to the Headmistress ? Just tell your kids to abide by the school rules - if they want to take off their jumper ask a teacher - how simple could it be ? I bet you're one of those people who goes storming up to the school as soon as your kid whinges that a teacher looked at them the wrong way - your little angel would never do anything wrong would they.

Excellent post.
The rules are made by those in charge, who are looking after your children. Do your kids do as they are told at home or do they just do as they want, they must be very confused.

Brookfield Community School should actually talk to their parents and see just what an issue they have raised by their double standards. They have identified a need for polo shirts and that great for those who can afford to buy them, it has however left those who cannot afford them exposed to victimisation and bullyinmg and that is not only by other pupils but by staff memebers who think it is acceptable to treat todays children as the vixctorains would of. They are not givent the freedom of choice they should be given regarding their own well being. How ridiculous of course all the staff are nice and cool in their polo shirts and casual trousers!!!!

current teacher wrote:
Yes, yes we are, we have our little classrooms and when the students come in, they enter our world. All our delusions of power are realised and we feel all warm and fuzzy for that limited time that is our lesson! Blame the teachers I say, what the hell do they know about the real world!

Whilst i would not agree this of all teachers some of them have delusions of grandeur and seem to think they do not need to communicate with the other people in these kids lives... their parents!

Wackford Squires wrote:

John wrote:

sue wrote: Hounsdown school kept all the girls back in assembley yesterday to tell them off, because of this article that appeared in the paper and blamed them.

These teachers are power mad, when dealing with little children. I bet they have not got the guts to take any of the parents on. When I asked to speak to the headmistress this week I was passed to her Personal Assistant. In my day, Personal Assistants did not exist in the school. So much for progress. When I wrote an e-mail to her last week she did not reply. This school has absolutely no idea what life in the outside world is all about. They certainly are preparing the kids for all the problems they will have in later life, with the morons and jobsworths they will no doubt encounter. Unfortunately, the idea that schooldays are the happiest days of your life went out years ago at this school.

Sounds to me John, that you're part of the problem - why do you want to speak to the Headmistress ? Just tell your kids to abide by the school rules - if they want to take off their jumper ask a teacher - how simple could it be ? I bet you're one of those people who goes storming up to the school as soon as your kid whinges that a teacher looked at them the wrong way - your little angel would never do anything wrong would they.

This is nothing to do with discipline. My own children attended Hounsdown in the 1980's. Never once did I "storm up to the school". Never had a reason to, or at any other school they attended. My children, and now my grandchildren respect their parents and also other adults, including their teachers. The problem is that these silly rules are detrimnental to the childrens' comfort and health, and achieve no purpose whatsoever. They will encourage children to lose respect for those imposing such rules. It is all "jobsworth, rules are rules" and a nanny state. Making children hot and uncomfortable has nothing to do with discipline, manners or respect. So don't make silly comments about my own children / grandchildren, without some substance. The notion that if we don't like the rules to go somewhere else, is also silly. Children must attend school by law. In any event, I want my kids to be properly educated. What I do not want is some stupid rule about school uniform making them hot and uncomfortable all day. The notion that a child should be polite and ask if they can take off their jumper is laughable. Do your kids at home ask if they can take off their jumper in mid summer? Of course they don't, so why should they at school? All of you who think children should be put through this are the same one's who have no respect for the kids of today. In my view they have to put up with a lot more stress and strain than I did as a child and deserve all the help and respect we can give them. Respect is a two way thing. Let's all respect the school-children and their comfort, then they might have more respect for the adults they encounter.

I finished Brookfield last year and all i can say is thankgod for that. The teachers have no respect for what the children need. As soon as it gets hot they have a relaxed dress code where the male teachers need not to wear ties. How is this fair when there are 1650 students sat in their jumpers with top button done up and ties worn. So yeh they have implemented these new polo shirt things, but what about the families that cant afford them. They have to have the school logo on so consequently they cost more. They are just for the summer term however, september can just be as hot if not hotter and they force you to wear jumpers. I was in the school council so fought for a no jumper policy but as usual the senior management just refused it, so long as they are ok in their air conditioned offices no one else matters.

marie wrote:
Rules are there for a reason and of couse they must ask for permission to take there sweaters of. other wise they will all be runing around wearing what they like to school , i had to wear my full uniform at weston park girls when i was there back in the 80s

What are you talking about? The kids should be able to take their jumpers off whenever they want. Why would that make them run around wearing what they like? They wear smart shirts, not polo shirts, and look much more presentable than most other pupils in soton.

What are you talking about? The kids should be able to take their jumpers off whenever they want. Why would that make them run around wearing what they like? They wear smart shirts, not polo shirts, and look much more presentable than most other pupils in soton.

Why stop at jumpers, why not allow them to take their shirts off, or trousers - where do you draw the line. How about letting them go in pjyamas and dressing gowns, they can look smart.

Mike wrote:

marie wrote: Rules are there for a reason and of couse they must ask for permission to take there sweaters of. other wise they will all be runing around wearing what they like to school , i had to wear my full uniform at weston park girls when i was there back in the 80s

What are you talking about? The kids should be able to take their jumpers off whenever they want. Why would that make them run around wearing what they like? They wear smart shirts, not polo shirts, and look much more presentable than most other pupils in soton.

As usual, you have missed the point Mike.
The school makes the rules.

I totally agree with your comments and I think its disgusting that the children have to wear their jumpers and then have to ask for permission to take them off which is sometimes refused. Why do the teachers have thr right to decide if a child is hot or not, I know I couldnt work properly if I was over heated. For some children it must be embarassing particularly the girls. And as you say the teachers are allowed to wear what they like, how fair is that??