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Couple fined after parking permit falls off windscreen

11:01am Friday 16th May 2008

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IT had been the perfect break to celebrate their wedding anniversary.

But memories of those relaxing seven days were marred when Johnny and Jacky Roche arrived back at their Eastleigh home to find they had been victims of "jobsworth" traffic wardens.

The parking permit on Jacky's distinctive purple coloured Rover 100, with a pink interior, had slid off the windscreen after the adhesive suction had given up on the holder.

But Jacky, aged 55, whose car had been parked opposite her Market Street home, said: "The permit and holder fell into the passenger side footwell.

"It had landed face up and was quite clearly visible. A ticket was put on the windscreen on the Wednesday we were away.

"Then to add insult to injury another ticket was put there on the following day. It really is out order and a real jobsworth thing to do. The traffic wardens are overzealous."

Jacky has taken a photograph of the permit lying in the footwell which shows that it was clearly visible.

A neighbour had pointed out to the warden that the permit had fallen into the footwell but Jacky said: "Apparently the warden just shrugged his shoulders and walked off in the direction of the Swan Centre."

She said: "We went to Market Harborough to celebrate our third wedding anniversary and had a lovely seven stress free days. This was all ruined when I found out that I had got two parking tickets.

"The wardens must have realised that the distinctive small purple car had been parked in the same location without moving for seven days.

"Surely they could have checked on the council database that a permit had been actually issued for the vehicle."

Jacky is faced with having to cough up a total of £140 but she has lodged an appeal with the council.

A council spokesman said: "The council can confirm that two penalty charge notices were issued by separate members of the parking services team.

"A check of all the windows and seats was carried out but the permit was not visible. The council has now received an appeal from Mrs Roche and this is being considered."

It is the second timewithin a few weeks that Eastleigh Council has been embroiled in a row over parking. Last week the Daily Echo revealed that a Chandler's Ford resident was having to pay the price for living in the wrong part of his street.

David Keyworth was given a penalty ticket for parking two wheels of his car on the verge outside his home in Bodycoats Road.

A council ban on parking on verges only applied to his particular section of the road. If he had driven a few hundred yards down the road he could have parked on the vergewithout fear of getting a ticket. He's also appealing against the penalty.


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hulla, baloo says...
11:21am Fri 16 May 08

Wonder if the ticket was for a parking violation, or for owning a purple Rover 100.

Plum Pudding, Swamptown says...
11:30am Fri 16 May 08

hulla wrote:
Wonder if the ticket was for a parking violation, or for owning a purple Rover 100.
With a pink interior...

Having such bad taste in public should be grounds alone for a fine!

N, says...
11:31am Fri 16 May 08

Another "Jobsworth" just doing his job.
Was or wasn't the permit on clearly on display.
They will probably win their appeal when they provide the permit, BUT if it was not ON DISPLAY they really don't have a case.

Christoff, says...
11:45am Fri 16 May 08

N wrote:
Another "Jobsworth" just doing his job. Was or wasn't the permit on clearly on display. They will probably win their appeal when they provide the permit, BUT if it was not ON DISPLAY they really don't have a case.
Let's hope the council apply a little common sense and realise the owner's were not taking the p!ss but were just unlucky with the adhesive.

I will be surprised if they lose the appeal

Anon, Southampton says...
12:12pm Fri 16 May 08

If it had falled into the footwell, then it probably wasn't clearly visible. The parking enforcement officer shouldn't have to nosey into every car to view a permit, otherwise people will attack them for wanting to see what's worth nicking in the car.

Simple solution is to put it low down on the inside of the windscreen, so if it falls off, it falls face up on the dashboard and remains clearly visible.

I hope they lose the appeal.

Fred, Bristol says...
12:22pm Fri 16 May 08

Anon wrote:
If it had falled into the footwell, then it probably wasn't clearly visible. The parking enforcement officer shouldn't have to nosey into every car to view a permit, otherwise people will attack them for wanting to see what's worth nicking in the car. Simple solution is to put it low down on the inside of the windscreen, so if it falls off, it falls face up on the dashboard and remains clearly visible. I hope they lose the appeal.
Exactly my sentiments, whatever next "my permit was in my glovebox" etc etc. After this comment;
The wardens must have realised that the distinctive small purple car had been parked in the same location without moving for seven days.
she's lucky it wasn't towed away!

That all said, isn't it about time the wardens technology checked to see if the car had a permit prior to issuing a ticket?

George, says...
1:58pm Fri 16 May 08

Why is this news? Same thing happened to me a few years back, but I didn't go bleating to the papers about it, I just appealed. Common sense prevailed and the fine was overturned.

Sarah, says...
2:03pm Fri 16 May 08

Yes why is this news? The Echo ran the same story a few weeks ago.

Christoff, says...
2:13pm Fri 16 May 08

Sarah wrote:
Yes why is this news? The Echo ran the same story a few weeks ago.
Really? Where?

Hugh Carres, says...
2:16pm Fri 16 May 08

We went to Market Harborough to celebrate our third wedding anniversary

.........oh how the other half live eh ! Top holiday destination.

Who hasn't tried the old 'it msut have slipped off the window / dashboard' trick when we've been clobbered for a ticket ? The rules are quite clear that the permit or ticket needs to be clearly displayed.

Rules are rules, you cannot just take peoples word every time - even if they do holiday in exotic climes !

FFS!, DVLA says...
2:47pm Fri 16 May 08

It is the second timewithin a few weeks that Eastleigh Council has been embroiled in a row over parking. Last week the Daily Echo revealed that a Chandler's Ford resident was having to pay the price for living in the wrong part of his street.

David Keyworth was given a penalty ticket for parking two wheels of his car on the verge outside his home in Bodycoats Road.

A council ban on parking on verges only applied to his particular section of the road. If he had driven a few hundred yards down the road he could have parked on the vergewithout fear of getting a ticket. He's also appealing against the penalty.


I was only a couple of hundred yards off the motorway as I did 70mph in a 20mph zone, perhaps I will appeal too.
You were in the wrong and you were caught and punished. Get a life.

paul b, says...
2:47pm Fri 16 May 08

Traffic warden does job

This is not a news worthy story, certainly not for the second time

L J Harvey, says...
2:57pm Fri 16 May 08

hulla wrote:
Wonder if the ticket was for a parking violation, or for owning a purple Rover 100.
Why is only 'closet' traffic wardens are posting comments in support of Earn Bags of Cash henchmen. Sorry I mean Eastleigh Borough Council. Even when non EBC photographic evidence is submitted the jobsworths state it is not admissable.

Anyone read 1984 recently?

lowe and behold, st marys hotseat says...
3:01pm Fri 16 May 08

What is Billy Mitchell doing in Eastleigh driving a Rover 100

King Mush, Woolston says...
3:43pm Fri 16 May 08

George wrote:
Why is this news? Same thing happened to me a few years back, but I didn't go bleating to the papers about it, I just appealed. Common sense prevailed and the fine was overturned.
I didnt know that George is a Freemason



;o)

Dorothy, kansas says...
3:45pm Fri 16 May 08

L J Harvey wrote:
hulla wrote: Wonder if the ticket was for a parking violation, or for owning a purple Rover 100.
Why is only 'closet' traffic wardens are posting comments in support of Earn Bags of Cash henchmen. Sorry I mean Eastleigh Borough Council. Even when non EBC photographic evidence is submitted the jobsworths state it is not admissable. Anyone read 1984 recently?
Yes I have although I must confess I prefer down and out in Paris and London

George, says...
3:58pm Fri 16 May 08

King Mush wrote:
George wrote:
Why is this news? Same thing happened to me a few years back, but I didn\'t go bleating to the papers about it, I just appealed. Common sense prevailed and the fine was overturned.
I didnt know that George is a Freemason



;o)
And how old's your mother, KM?? :-)

John R, Eastleigh says...
4:00pm Fri 16 May 08

My wife parked her distinctive purple coloured Rover 100 opposite our house at about 5.30pm on Thursday 24th April, where it remained while we had 7 days holiday away from Eastleigh. We arrived back home at 6.30pm on Thursday 1st May.

When it was parked facing south, exposed to the sun, rain and all other elements, on that Thursday evening the obligatory Parking permit was on display on the windscreen, just above the windscreen wipers and adjacent to the “tax disc”.

It would appear that the Permit remained fixed to the ‘screen for all of Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday and Tuesday until the adhesive suction gave up on the permit holder sometime on Wednesday 30th April (The adhesive failure was probably due to the unusually high daytime temperature). The permit and holder fell into the passenger side footwell of the car, landing face up and quite clearly visible. It did not land on the dashboard, as this area in a Rover 100 is very narrow

Now we are quite proud that one of our neighbours took the time to point this out to the warden who issued the parking ticket only for the warden to look disdainfully into the footwell, shrug their shoulder and amble off in the direction of the Swan Centre.

Now am I probably being a little too assumptive or naïve, but wouldn’t any normal person do the following:

1. Recognise a distinctive small purple car with pink interior that had been parked in the same location, without moving, for 7 days
2. Realise that as it was facing due south that the disc had fallen off
3. Take a closer look into the inside of the car
4. Look even closer when it had been pointed out to the by a concerned neighbour
5. Then cancel the ticket and advise their colleagues of the problem
6. Check on the Council database that a permit had actually been issued for the vehicle

I hope this clarifies the issue with some of the contributors to this website. As for the choice of holiday - we hired a narrow boat to explore the Grand Union Canal. I don't pass comment on where others choose to spend their holiday so please refrain from commenting on mine.
As for the other defamatory comments - go back to your ponds, pondlife
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N, says...
4:13pm Fri 16 May 08

But John R, you were parked without a permit clearly displayed on your windscreen, as this was a violation you have been punished the rest is irrelevant.
You are going to appeal and yet may win.
Bit pathetic to make such a song a dance really isn't it?

paul b, says...
4:20pm Fri 16 May 08

N wrote:
But John R, you were parked without a permit clearly displayed on your windscreen, as this was a violation you have been punished the rest is irrelevant.
You are going to appeal and yet may win.
Bit pathetic to make such a song a dance really isn't it?
No we dont want to do anything sensible here, we prefer to throw our toys out of the pram and stamp our feet!

hulla, baloo says...
4:20pm Fri 16 May 08

John R wrote:
My wife parked her distinctive purple coloured Rover 100 opposite our house at about 5.30pm on Thursday 24th April, where it remained while we had 7 days holiday away from Eastleigh. We arrived back home at 6.30pm on Thursday 1st May. When it was parked facing south, exposed to the sun, rain and all other elements, on that Thursday evening the obligatory Parking permit was on display on the windscreen, just above the windscreen wipers and adjacent to the “tax disc”. It would appear that the Permit remained fixed to the ‘screen for all of Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday and Tuesday until the adhesive suction gave up on the permit holder sometime on Wednesday 30th April (The adhesive failure was probably due to the unusually high daytime temperature). The permit and holder fell into the passenger side footwell of the car, landing face up and quite clearly visible. It did not land on the dashboard, as this area in a Rover 100 is very narrow Now we are quite proud that one of our neighbours took the time to point this out to the warden who issued the parking ticket only for the warden to look disdainfully into the footwell, shrug their shoulder and amble off in the direction of the Swan Centre. Now am I probably being a little too assumptive or naïve, but wouldn’t any normal person do the following: 1. Recognise a distinctive small purple car with pink interior that had been parked in the same location, without moving, for 7 days 2. Realise that as it was facing due south that the disc had fallen off 3. Take a closer look into the inside of the car 4. Look even closer when it had been pointed out to the by a concerned neighbour 5. Then cancel the ticket and advise their colleagues of the problem 6. Check on the Council database that a permit had actually been issued for the vehicle I hope this clarifies the issue with some of the contributors to this website. As for the choice of holiday - we hired a narrow boat to explore the Grand Union Canal. I don't pass comment on where others choose to spend their holiday so please refrain from commenting on mine. As for the other defamatory comments - go back to your ponds, pondlife
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An excuse for getting a ticket,and not wanting to pay, but no excuse for having a purple Rover 100.



Wendy, says...
4:25pm Fri 16 May 08

Like everyone else, admit it, deal with it and pay it. You were in the wrong. It wasn't on the windscreen as it states it should be. Mine has never fallen off

Dave, London says...
4:26pm Fri 16 May 08

I have just come out of my pond to make comment on this ridiculous article in the paper .... For starters im confused as to why on earth u would park a purple Rover 100 with Pink interior in a public place anyway... that in itself deserves a parking ticket or 2!!
The excuse of the adhesive melting just doesnt STICK with me either so maybe u should check these things more carefully before swanning off on a narrow boat down a rubbish canal!!
Enough said i think!!!

lowe and behold, st marys hotseat says...
4:36pm Fri 16 May 08

John R wrote:
My wife parked her distinctive purple coloured Rover 100 opposite our house at about 5.30pm on Thursday 24th April, where it remained while we had 7 days holiday away from Eastleigh. We arrived back home at 6.30pm on Thursday 1st May. When it was parked facing south, exposed to the sun, rain and all other elements, on that Thursday evening the obligatory Parking permit was on display on the windscreen, just above the windscreen wipers and adjacent to the “tax disc”. It would appear that the Permit remained fixed to the ‘screen for all of Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday and Tuesday until the adhesive suction gave up on the permit holder sometime on Wednesday 30th April (The adhesive failure was probably due to the unusually high daytime temperature). The permit and holder fell into the passenger side footwell of the car, landing face up and quite clearly visible. It did not land on the dashboard, as this area in a Rover 100 is very narrow Now we are quite proud that one of our neighbours took the time to point this out to the warden who issued the parking ticket only for the warden to look disdainfully into the footwell, shrug their shoulder and amble off in the direction of the Swan Centre. Now am I probably being a little too assumptive or naïve, but wouldn’t any normal person do the following: 1. Recognise a distinctive small purple car with pink interior that had been parked in the same location, without moving, for 7 days 2. Realise that as it was facing due south that the disc had fallen off 3. Take a closer look into the inside of the car 4. Look even closer when it had been pointed out to the by a concerned neighbour 5. Then cancel the ticket and advise their colleagues of the problem 6. Check on the Council database that a permit had actually been issued for the vehicle I hope this clarifies the issue with some of the contributors to this website. As for the choice of holiday - we hired a narrow boat to explore the Grand Union Canal. I don't pass comment on where others choose to spend their holiday so please refrain from commenting on mine. As for the other defamatory comments - go back to your ponds, pondlife
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John R you look really angry in that photo. Or should i say Billy Mitchell and Vera Duckworth lol

Christoff, says...
4:41pm Fri 16 May 08

looking at the picture Mr R, either you have a really tall Rover or you are a very short man...which is it?

Colin, southampton says...
4:45pm Fri 16 May 08

Your lucky i'm not the judge on your claim as i would double your fine. What an idiot you are and your excuses are criminal. I cannot recall it being hot in april. In fact the hottest its been this year is 26c which is not an 'unusally high day time temp'. Except the fine and pay it. Actually don't pay the fine so your car can be impounded.

Jody, Southampton says...
4:53pm Fri 16 May 08

OMG. These two need shooting. The disc was not on the windscreen where it was supposed to be. Why is it that people have to try and get some sort of compenstation for everything that happens to them. PAY UP AND SHUT UP.

Rita the Metermaid, Octopuses Garden says...
4:54pm Fri 16 May 08

Whats the betting John is now the same colour as his car.
And to think he expected some sympathy.
Pay up and shut up.

Rita the Metermaid, Octopuses Garden says...
4:56pm Fri 16 May 08

Great minds think alike Jody!!!


LISA, Chandlers Ford says...
4:57pm Fri 16 May 08

DISTINCTIVE PURPLE ROVER 100,I WOULD SO NOT BE SHOUTING ABOUT THAT!!!!!! YOU SHOULD BE HUNG DRAWN AND QUARTERED AT THE VERY LEAST FOR OWNING SUCH A HEAP OF JUNK. I THINK THE COUNCIL SHOULD PAY YOU TO HAVE IT PARKED ON THEIR STREET!!!!! GET A LIFE, LOSERS

David, Southampton says...
5:03pm Fri 16 May 08

We have permits where we live and not once has mine come unstuck. John and Jacky should be grateful that they only got two tickets whilst on holiday in the Bahamas.....oh sorry Market Harborough!!!! And when exactly was it hot in April, I remember rain, snow and a lot of wind, which is what these two have a lot of! Be a law abiding citizen and pay your fines, that you incurred,for not displaying your disc in the windscreen. Why are you trying to blame the officer or council for that matter for something that is your responsibility, no one eles, YOURS.

Graham, West End says...
5:09pm Fri 16 May 08

These two should be ashamed. I agree with the general public. It is your responsibility to display the disc, why are you trying to get out of paying? The officer was doing his job. No disc displayed in a zoned parking area = FINE. No wonder our society is rapidly going down hill, when people expect to be compensated or let off for everything that doesn't quite go their way. I suggest that John and Jacky Roche just pay up and stop moaning.

paul b, says...
5:11pm Fri 16 May 08

Fred Dinage ♥ Billy Mitchell

paul b, says...
5:13pm Fri 16 May 08

Graham wrote:
These two should be ashamed. I agree with the general public. It is your responsibility to display the disc, why are you trying to get out of paying? The officer was doing his job. No disc displayed in a zoned parking area = FINE. No wonder our society is rapidly going down hill, when people expect to be compensated or let off for everything that doesn't quite go their way. I suggest that John and Jacky Roche just pay up and stop moaning.
NAIL ON HEAD!

they will then moan about the courts etc not having anytime to sort out real problems, of course they wont if people like billy and fred keep doing stuff like this!

vandalise the car, my pond says...
5:30pm Fri 16 May 08

John R wrote:
My wife parked her distinctive purple coloured Rover 100 opposite our house at about 5.30pm on Thursday 24th April, where it remained while we had 7 days holiday away from Eastleigh. We arrived back home at 6.30pm on Thursday 1st May.

When it was parked facing south, exposed to the sun, rain and all other elements, on that Thursday evening the obligatory Parking permit was on display on the windscreen, just above the windscreen wipers and adjacent to the “tax disc”.

It would appear that the Permit remained fixed to the ‘screen for all of Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday and Tuesday until the adhesive suction gave up on the permit holder sometime on Wednesday 30th April (The adhesive failure was probably due to the unusually high daytime temperature). The permit and holder fell into the passenger side footwell of the car, landing face up and quite clearly visible. It did not land on the dashboard, as this area in a Rover 100 is very narrow

Now we are quite proud that one of our neighbours took the time to point this out to the warden who issued the parking ticket only for the warden to look disdainfully into the footwell, shrug their shoulder and amble off in the direction of the Swan Centre.

Now am I probably being a little too assumptive or naïve, but wouldn’t any normal person do the following:

1. Recognise a distinctive small purple car with pink interior that had been parked in the same location, without moving, for 7 days
2. Realise that as it was facing due south that the disc had fallen off
3. Take a closer look into the inside of the car
4. Look even closer when it had been pointed out to the by a concerned neighbour
5. Then cancel the ticket and advise their colleagues of the problem
6. Check on the Council database that a permit had actually been issued for the vehicle

I hope this clarifies the issue with some of the contributors to this website. As for the choice of holiday - we hired a narrow boat to explore the Grand Union Canal. I don\'t pass comment on where others choose to spend their holiday so please refrain from commenting on mine.
As for the other defamatory comments - go back to your ponds, pondlife
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You have to question the wisdom of insulting a bunch of strangers like that when they know where you live and also know what your very distinctive car is parked

As soon as you decided to go public with this "story" and get yourselves in the papers, you became fair game for merciless mocking

paul the moron, says...
5:56pm Fri 16 May 08

paul b wrote:
Fred Dinage ♥ Billy Mitchell
It clearly states, right below the text area you type in, that HTML will be ignored, you plum

Jimmy, Eastleigh says...
6:07pm Fri 16 May 08

Is that his mum?

Just Wondering....., Eastleigh says...
7:01pm Fri 16 May 08

Dave wrote:
I have just come out of my pond to make comment on this ridiculous article in the paper .... For starters im confused as to why on earth u would park a purple Rover 100 with Pink interior in a public place anyway... that in itself deserves a parking ticket or 2!! The excuse of the adhesive melting just doesnt STICK with me either so maybe u should check these things more carefully before swanning off on a narrow boat down a rubbish canal!! Enough said i think!!!
.... whether Dave and all the other clever 'smart arses' posting absurd comments live or have ever lived in an area covered by residential parking schemes? Parking permits do come off in the heat - I know it's happened to me and even my magnetic permit holder has let me down once. The point is the traffic wardens in Eastleigh now no longer have any common sense as to whether leaniency should be given and this is because they have quotas to meet!! If they want to keep their jobs they have to issue as many tickets as possible. Traffic wardens do eventually get to know which cars belong to residents and a simple check on EBC's database would have solved this problem and perhaps a warning notice could be issued to ensure permits are securely fixed to the windscreen. But there again, this would lose EBC much needed revenue from the poor motorist.

Good luck with your appeal John and Jacky!

Eric, Southampton says...
7:04pm Fri 16 May 08

As for the other defamatory comments - go back to your ponds, pondlife


Well said. Good luck with the appeal John.

paul b, says...
7:34pm Fri 16 May 08

paul the moron wrote:
paul b wrote:
Fred Dinage ♥ Billy Mitchell
It clearly states, right below the text area you type in, that HTML will be ignored, you plum
Thats not HTML, its ASCII

I can not help it if the Echos parsers don't understand it

marketharborough_isf ab, southampton says...
8:02pm Fri 16 May 08

Just Wondering..... wrote:
Dave wrote: I have just come out of my pond to make comment on this ridiculous article in the paper .... For starters im confused as to why on earth u would park a purple Rover 100 with Pink interior in a public place anyway... that in itself deserves a parking ticket or 2!! The excuse of the adhesive melting just doesnt STICK with me either so maybe u should check these things more carefully before swanning off on a narrow boat down a rubbish canal!! Enough said i think!!!
.... whether Dave and all the other clever \'smart arses\' posting absurd comments live or have ever lived in an area covered by residential parking schemes? Parking permits do come off in the heat - I know it\'s happened to me and even my magnetic permit holder has let me down once. The point is the traffic wardens in Eastleigh now no longer have any common sense as to whether leaniency should be given and this is because they have quotas to meet!! If they want to keep their jobs they have to issue as many tickets as possible. Traffic wardens do eventually get to know which cars belong to residents and a simple check on EBC\'s database would have solved this problem and perhaps a warning notice could be issued to ensure permits are securely fixed to the windscreen. But there again, this would lose EBC much needed revenue from the poor motorist. Good luck with your appeal John and Jacky!
I am glad there is at least one person who can sensibly comment on the lack of commonsense being applied by "parking enforcement operatives" who seem not to be able to use, or who are directed by their employer not to use, reasonable judgement in their target-driven jobs.

Its just as well most of the posters on here don't have similar jobs, as they seem more inclined to enforce every letter of every regulation than they are to follow the rules of this web site to be treat other people with respect and not post anything that is abusive!

Over for the Rover, Eastleigh says...
8:18pm Fri 16 May 08

What a pair of whinging OLD sods. Lets be honest the law is the law, and I agree that no warden should have to go peeking into cars looking for tickets, if its not clearly on display then they deserve the fine.

Anyway, with such a bright pink interior I doubt the warden wanted to ruin his eye sight !!!

paul the moron, says...
10:04pm Fri 16 May 08

paul b wrote:
paul the moron wrote:
paul b wrote:
Fred Dinage ♥ Billy Mitchell
It clearly states, right below the text area you type in, that HTML will be ignored, you plum
Thats not HTML, its ASCII

I can not help it if the Echos parsers don't understand it
No it isn't. It's a Unicode character encoded in HTML

lucy, soton says...
11:17pm Fri 16 May 08

Good luck with the appeal- these things happen.

King Mush, Woolston says...
1:59pm Sun 18 May 08

George wrote:
King Mush wrote:
George wrote: Why is this news? Same thing happened to me a few years back, but I didn\'t go bleating to the papers about it, I just appealed. Common sense prevailed and the fine was overturned.
I didnt know that George is a Freemason ;o)
And how old's your mother, KM?? :-)
It's a secret dear 'Brother'

I'll tell you at the next Lodge meeting

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