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Water company refuse to give details of areas affected
11:02am Wednesday 4th June 2008
Comments (79)
By Jon Reeve »
THE company that could be forced to add fluoride to Hampshire residents' tap water has refused to tell the Daily Echo exactly where the medicated supplies would go.
Southern Water says it is referring all requests for information on the proposed fluoridation scheme to South Central Strategic Health Authority (SHA), because it doesn't want to run the risk of giving out conflicting details.
As revealed in yesterday's Daily Echo, more than 36,000 people living outside Southampton's boundaries would also receive fluoridated water.
Click here for the complete archive of articles and reports into both sides of the fluoride debate
But when the paper contacted the company for details of the areas the request was refused.
A Southern Water spokeswoman said they could not reveal which neighbourhoods are served by the two distribution centres - Otterbourne and Rownhams - that would be used to add fluoride to water supplies.
She said: "Southern Water is required to assist a strategic health authority with their feasibility study by providing information on the water supply and dis- tribution system.
"The SHA is carrying out this public consultation and inquiries will be referred to it."
If the SHA decides to back the scheme, supplies to two-thirds of Southampton households - some 160,000 people - would be fluoridated.
That would mean seven of the 11 priority areas in the city, where dental health is at its worst, would get topped-up fluoride in their water. But another 36,261 people living outside the city, mainly in Eastleigh, Totton and Netley, would also receive the medicated tap water.
If the SHA does give fluoridation the green light, Southern Water would have no power to stop it.
An attempt by city health chiefs in 1993 to add fluoride to supplies was scuppered when the water company refused to implement it.
However, since then the law has been changed to avoid that situation arising again.
Your Say YourEcho
Bernard J Seward, Bristol says...
12:21pm Wed 4 Jun 08
The non-payment of a water bill by an anti-fluoride protestor has indeed made an interesting legal precedent, but one which might have been anticipated. The Dept of Health has indemnified all water suppliers against just such an event; and including damage to health, household plumbing etc. The tab will ultimately be picked up by the taxpayer because a full-blown court case against a bill defaulter could cause the DoH or one of its quangos like the Drinking Water Inspectorate to have to answer questions in public it would rather not answer.
This refusal to say which areas will be fluoridated is only a shadow of what could follow.
This refusal to say which areas will be fluoridated is only a shadow of what could follow.
Tate Durden, Netley says...
1:47pm Wed 4 Jun 08
This is a full blown scandel, sinister in its undertones. Has anyone got the ability to offer a hall where we can meet to plan some course of action that will highlight outrage this is generating amongst the Southampton public?
Everyone I have spoken to in my own time is 100% against this, to the man. I would suggest any pro voices on here are in some involved in benefitting from this outrageous proposal.
Everyone I have spoken to in my own time is 100% against this, to the man. I would suggest any pro voices on here are in some involved in benefitting from this outrageous proposal.
Bob444, Soton says...
2:44pm Wed 4 Jun 08
Southern Water says it is referring all requests for information on the proposed fluoridation scheme to South Central Strategic Health Authority (SHA), because it doesn't want to run the risk of giving out conflicting details.
The truth is the truth, except when there are dirty tricks going on. Why should their be different versions of the details? I smell a rat!
The truth is the truth, except when there are dirty tricks going on. Why should their be different versions of the details? I smell a rat!
Christoff, says...
4:29pm Wed 4 Jun 08
Tate Durden wrote:I think we should start by contacting the editor of the Echo to ask why our local paper is publishing propaganda such as the pictures it has published today when it can clearly see the residents of Southampton are largely against it.
This is a full blown scandel, sinister in its undertones. Has anyone got the ability to offer a hall where we can meet to plan some course of action that will highlight outrage this is generating amongst the Southampton public? Everyone I have spoken to in my own time is 100% against this, to the man. I would suggest any pro voices on here are in some involved in benefitting from this outrageous proposal.
Absolutley disgusting.
Adrian Smith, says...
4:45pm Wed 4 Jun 08
Christoff wrote:If it was one sided propaganda, then they wouldn't have printed this story, would they?
Tate Durden wrote: This is a full blown scandel, sinister in its undertones. Has anyone got the ability to offer a hall where we can meet to plan some course of action that will highlight outrage this is generating amongst the Southampton public? Everyone I have spoken to in my own time is 100% against this, to the man. I would suggest any pro voices on here are in some involved in benefitting from this outrageous proposal.I think we should start by contacting the editor of the Echo to ask why our local paper is publishing propaganda such as the pictures it has published today when it can clearly see the residents of Southampton are largely against it. Absolutley disgusting.
This is hardly the sort of thing they would print if they wanted fluoride in the water...
But of course, reactionary conspiracy theories are much more fun, aren't they?
Christoff, says...
4:57pm Wed 4 Jun 08
Adrian Smith wrote:they are much more fun but I just feel the message is a little confusing for people that don't have the intelligence to look into it themselves.
Christoff wrote:If it was one sided propaganda, then they wouldn't have printed this story, would they? This is hardly the sort of thing they would print if they wanted fluoride in the water... But of course, reactionary conspiracy theories are much more fun, aren't they?Tate Durden wrote: This is a full blown scandel, sinister in its undertones. Has anyone got the ability to offer a hall where we can meet to plan some course of action that will highlight outrage this is generating amongst the Southampton public? Everyone I have spoken to in my own time is 100% against this, to the man. I would suggest any pro voices on here are in some involved in benefitting from this outrageous proposal.I think we should start by contacting the editor of the Echo to ask why our local paper is publishing propaganda such as the pictures it has published today when it can clearly see the residents of Southampton are largely against it. Absolutley disgusting.
If they do consult local residents, the lowest common denominator are bound to be targeted and they are bound to go: 'oh, yeah, I fink I rmemba that pic wit loads of manky teef innit, I vote for Floride'.
People will remember those images more than they will remember boring scientific evidence.
I don't believe Mr Murray would want to have fluoride added, he is an intelligent man but his readers are not (some of them anyway)
Adrian Smith, says...
5:52pm Wed 4 Jun 08
I see what you're saying Christoff, but you can't ignore things such as this just because they are more striking than the science.
If people can't look beyond things the 'lowest common denominator', then that's their problem.
The Echo have got loads of information on this site about fluoride, so they can't be blamed for favouring on side of the argument over another.
If people can't look beyond things the 'lowest common denominator', then that's their problem.
The Echo have got loads of information on this site about fluoride, so they can't be blamed for favouring on side of the argument over another.
shahid, manchester says...
5:53pm Wed 4 Jun 08
it was only a matter of time. the british public have got this bad habit of complaining, its now starting to become a nuisance. fluoridation is exactly what the masses need to be pacified - much like the nazis prison camp victims. how much opposition to the EU in 10 years time? will anyone care?
J. West, usa says...
6:19pm Wed 4 Jun 08
Fluoride is slow DEATH and makes your IQ drop. google it learn the truth.
HPS, USA says...
6:37pm Wed 4 Jun 08
My boss just happens to be a water quality expert. While you fight the good fight do this: Fill a jug with tap water and let it sit, uncovered, in your refrigerator overnight. The fluorine gas (and any residual chlorine left over from the treatment proccess) will dissipate.
Confused, says...
6:50pm Wed 4 Jun 08
Why do so many Americans comment on the Fluoride stories?
qkumba zoo, hampshire says...
7:12pm Wed 4 Jun 08
Yes,they are well aware of the fact that theirs is the only water available,and we have to pay whatever they decide,do with us as they please,a change is necessary,from Gordon Brown down
Rob, says...
7:53pm Wed 4 Jun 08
In case there is anyone reading this who doesn't understand what all the fuss is about. Flouride is known to be a toxin that affects the brain, permanently. Some US states have had it removed from the water supply. It is not about rotting teeth, it is about reducing memory span, pacifying the people, and Government control. Read up on the net and you will soon discover why the secrecy, the deceipt and the imposition. We are nearing the end time for freedom, and the worker ants will not be allowed to resist.
Deacon, Grants Pass, OR says...
7:56pm Wed 4 Jun 08
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The Nazis had used fluoride to medicate concentration camp prisoners, which "medicine" made them more DOCILE, and which use today serves the exact same purpose--and not to prevent cavities ((by the way, topical - not systemic - use of it is said to prevent cavities, so why are we required to drink it)).
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The Nazis had used fluoride to medicate concentration camp prisoners, which "medicine" made them more DOCILE, and which use today serves the exact same purpose--and not to prevent cavities ((by the way, topical - not systemic - use of it is said to prevent cavities, so why are we required to drink it)).
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david, stockbridge says...
7:58pm Wed 4 Jun 08
''But of course, reactionary conspiracy theories are much more fun, aren't they?''
Yeah sure it's good for you, have it you way, enjoy the brain damage.
Ta ra x
Yeah sure it's good for you, have it you way, enjoy the brain damage.
Ta ra x
Roger Aune, Cheney, WA, USA says...
8:04pm Wed 4 Jun 08
In some U.S. states, a state government law has mandated use of this poison in water supplies. In most communities, it is voted upon by the residents.
Is the WTO behind this scheme?
Is the WTO behind this scheme?
Ann, Greater London says...
8:15pm Wed 4 Jun 08
I read the comment by HPS of USA, saying that if you leave fluoride to stand it will dissipate.
Unfortunately this is not true. Chlorine can be removed by leaving water to stand or by boiling it off, but this does not happen with fluoride. If you boil the water then the fluoride just becomes more concentrated. It takes an expensive reverse osmosis or distillation unit to remove fluoride.
Unfortunately this is not true. Chlorine can be removed by leaving water to stand or by boiling it off, but this does not happen with fluoride. If you boil the water then the fluoride just becomes more concentrated. It takes an expensive reverse osmosis or distillation unit to remove fluoride.
Ken Hall, UK says...
8:42pm Wed 4 Jun 08
Other posters here have mentioned the EU. After what I read today, and linking it to other measures, there is one powerfully terrifying future in store for us. For one thing, anti-EU parties and organisations are to outlawed. Protest is to be outlawed. Traffic wardens are being handed new designations as community enforcement officers to take over the police's job. What will the police be doing? Military civillian enforcement apparently.
The following is the experience of a guy named Andy, a traffic warden...
"Some time later after Andy had been told to keep new cards that described new functions, the right to arrest, the right to enter private property, Andy met a police officer he knew from some years before. After a general chat among other wardens, the officer pulled Andy aside and said he wanted to speak in private.
The officer said that Andy should not breathe a word of what he was about to tell him, and he was only telling him the information because he was an old friend.
He said that for months he had been on 'special duties' coordinating a top secret operation, meeting with 'top brass' from the police and national and local government. This was happening all over the country, he said, and certain officers had been chosen - or were having to do - what he was doing.
The officer asked for another promise from Andy not to reveal details of the conversation before saying that the government was preparing for what he was about to reveal 'well, well, in advance'. They were expecting ...
'... a war, a lot of riots, a lot of very big trouble.'
The coming EU dictatorship?
http://www.rense.com
/general82/end.htm
Refuse to comply.
The officer said that he understood that Andy and his colleagues had been given a number of cards, one with the Pace caution and one giving permission to enter various premises.
'Let's just say, I know, now, the reason you have been given them is because when all of this happens, and it will, we will be on the front line with the armed forces and people in your kind of jobs ... parking wardens, security officers, CCTV operatives and so on will be required to do our job.'
'You must be joking, that's crazy', Andy replied.
'I'm not joking', the officer said, this is on the level. I am just putting you wise to what will happen, but the main thing is please don't tell anyone.'"
The following is the experience of a guy named Andy, a traffic warden...
"Some time later after Andy had been told to keep new cards that described new functions, the right to arrest, the right to enter private property, Andy met a police officer he knew from some years before. After a general chat among other wardens, the officer pulled Andy aside and said he wanted to speak in private.
The officer said that Andy should not breathe a word of what he was about to tell him, and he was only telling him the information because he was an old friend.
He said that for months he had been on 'special duties' coordinating a top secret operation, meeting with 'top brass' from the police and national and local government. This was happening all over the country, he said, and certain officers had been chosen - or were having to do - what he was doing.
The officer asked for another promise from Andy not to reveal details of the conversation before saying that the government was preparing for what he was about to reveal 'well, well, in advance'. They were expecting ...
'... a war, a lot of riots, a lot of very big trouble.'
The coming EU dictatorship?
http://www.rense.com
/general82/end.htm
Refuse to comply.
The officer said that he understood that Andy and his colleagues had been given a number of cards, one with the Pace caution and one giving permission to enter various premises.
'Let's just say, I know, now, the reason you have been given them is because when all of this happens, and it will, we will be on the front line with the armed forces and people in your kind of jobs ... parking wardens, security officers, CCTV operatives and so on will be required to do our job.'
'You must be joking, that's crazy', Andy replied.
'I'm not joking', the officer said, this is on the level. I am just putting you wise to what will happen, but the main thing is please don't tell anyone.'"
Neil, N.Staffs says...
8:56pm Wed 4 Jun 08
Google 'domestic reverse osmosis'. The cheapest unit I can find (5-stage) is £220. Might be a good investment in the circumstances.
Sue, Southampton says...
9:48pm Wed 4 Jun 08
Knowledge is power. We should know which areas are to be subjected to flouridation.
Why should we all suffer because parents do not teach their children to brush their teeth and not to eat sweets. Surely Supernanny can teach the parents the basic of dnetal hygiene. As usual this council makes the majority suffer for the minority.
Why should we all suffer because parents do not teach their children to brush their teeth and not to eat sweets. Surely Supernanny can teach the parents the basic of dnetal hygiene. As usual this council makes the majority suffer for the minority.
AnyMan, Oxford says...
11:04pm Wed 4 Jun 08
The idea that the powers that be care so much about our dental health that they must force us to take their dubious "remedy" like naughty disobediant little children is a joke, especially when you consider what they have done to the dental service in this country (how many people now go without dental treatment altogether because they can't find an NHS dentist to take them on?).
This will not prevent dental decay or save the NHS any money, it can only be intended to be for social pacification and control.
The Nazis lost the hot war in 1945, but their plan for snatching ultimate victory from this temporary military defeat by taking over Europe by stealth through the EU continues apace. The only question is if those who do their dirty work for them in this country are actual traitors or just "useful fools".
This will not prevent dental decay or save the NHS any money, it can only be intended to be for social pacification and control.
The Nazis lost the hot war in 1945, but their plan for snatching ultimate victory from this temporary military defeat by taking over Europe by stealth through the EU continues apace. The only question is if those who do their dirty work for them in this country are actual traitors or just "useful fools".
Phil, Sudury says...
11:22pm Wed 4 Jun 08
Be informed, people. We are tip toeing headlong into Orwell's 1984:
http://www.cremation
ofcare.com/the_nwo_c
ommon_purpose.htm
http://www.cremation
ofcare.com/the_nwo_c
ommon_purpose.htm
DB, London says...
11:24pm Wed 4 Jun 08
How dare these people poison us with this this stuff! Please google fluoride and find out the facts for yourself. They want to dumb us down and make us docile in preparation for the coming EU police state.
Wake up, people.
Wake up, people.
robert wilson, Toronto Canada says...
11:36pm Wed 4 Jun 08
Do whatever it takes to stop this fluoridation.
this chemical is toxic and is a know pacifier ( from the Nazi era experiments).
Just look at the USA and how Bush and the police state are just rolling over the population with no protest. All is lost when you start adding chemicals to the water supply.
this chemical is toxic and is a know pacifier ( from the Nazi era experiments).
Just look at the USA and how Bush and the police state are just rolling over the population with no protest. All is lost when you start adding chemicals to the water supply.
Richard Binns, Suffield CT USA says...
1:20am Thu 5 Jun 08
Learn more about this poison here www.fluoridealert.or
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TerraHertz, Sydney Australia says...
4:13am Thu 5 Jun 08
Another key point about water supply fluoridation that most people seem to miss, is that once the authorities have the machinery installed to mix fluorides into water, what is to stop them upping the concentration when they feel the populace needs some industrail grade pacification?
Sure, the concentration may be very low to begin with. But later...? In a situation of widespread civil uprising, no one is going to be doing water purity analysis. Even if they do, and find very high fluoride levels, the news will be suppressed.
If find it very sad that people continually delude themselves that western countries are not yet in a resist-or-die crisis, in which treasonous, murderous elites in government are enabling the final steps for a global police state and massive population cull.
The time for words is past.
Sure, the concentration may be very low to begin with. But later...? In a situation of widespread civil uprising, no one is going to be doing water purity analysis. Even if they do, and find very high fluoride levels, the news will be suppressed.
If find it very sad that people continually delude themselves that western countries are not yet in a resist-or-die crisis, in which treasonous, murderous elites in government are enabling the final steps for a global police state and massive population cull.
The time for words is past.
Christina, Australia says...
6:53am Thu 5 Jun 08
You should grumble - over here in Australia we don't have a choice.
Water is recycled from sewerage & chlorinated & fluoridated & much more we don't know of as well!
Dur! We are never asked for an opinion re
The s%*t dumped into our water system.
No wonder we Aussies are not considered to have a great deal between the ears.
Water is recycled from sewerage & chlorinated & fluoridated & much more we don't know of as well!
Dur! We are never asked for an opinion re
The s%*t dumped into our water system.
No wonder we Aussies are not considered to have a great deal between the ears.
Andrew, UK says...
7:17am Thu 5 Jun 08
Hi Christina
The point of this article is that we are NOT being given the choice.
As for your situation "Down Under", I understand that the extensive recycling and chlorinization is due to your severe water shortage problem. But that doesn't mean that you should have to put up with flouridization. Why don't you start a campaign against it? The more countries that reject enforced mass medication/poisoning with flouride the better.
The point of this article is that we are NOT being given the choice.
As for your situation "Down Under", I understand that the extensive recycling and chlorinization is due to your severe water shortage problem. But that doesn't mean that you should have to put up with flouridization. Why don't you start a campaign against it? The more countries that reject enforced mass medication/poisoning with flouride the better.
NL, Suffolk says...
7:38am Thu 5 Jun 08
If more people understood about fluoride,they would react in anger. Complacency is what the Authorities depend on to get away with fluordation. What you won't get from them is the truth! Even my dentist who is an advocate of it in water, told me not to let my children swallow their toothpaste containing it. I changed my toothpaste and my dentist!! I bought my domestic reverse osmosis unit from pure eau £169. I've had a 5 stage unit but my 4 stage filtration is far superior and more compact.
Brian Jackson, Lancashire says...
8:00am Thu 5 Jun 08
Toxic waste in our water made compulsory by crooks who call themselves politicians. Water companies given immunity from prosecution in the event of accidents and even indemnity from the debts incurred by those who rightly refuse to pay for poisoned water. A consultation process just like that for the post offices, ie, a sham. Sorry i cannot afford to pay for this muck in my water so Darling can foot the bill. Democrasy would be a good idea wouldnt it.?
suraci, dorchester says...
8:04am today Thu 5 Jun 08
I'm impressed with the comments made here. Southampton is clearly an area where people know what is going on. Perhaps that's why they are trying to pacify the population area with fluoride.
Now we know why the government encouraged tooth decay over the last few years and destroyed the excellent dental service we all used to enjoy: to justify putting Fluoride in the water. Problem-reaction-sol
ution.
Now we know why the government encouraged tooth decay over the last few years and destroyed the excellent dental service we all used to enjoy: to justify putting Fluoride in the water. Problem-reaction-sol
ution.
Rob O'Loughlin, says...
8:57am Thu 5 Jun 08
Fluoride is ALL bad and NO good. Argumebents for? There aren't any. Stop using Toothpaste to, its the brushing that works. Same as deodorants. Lets invent a term called BO and get everyone to poison themselves with Aluminium and other contaminants. The Conspiracy theorist's are the intelligent ones. We have a total criminal establishment and on the whole the media are totally complicit. Who does what is being very carefully monitored these days and lists grow long indeed. Pick your side.
Lucy, Herts says...
10:42am Thu 5 Jun 08
So much for the human right about everybody having the right to fresh and safe water.... whatever.
Consider investing in a household water filter to cut out the pollution, flouride and limescale before it enters yrou house.
Consider investing in a household water filter to cut out the pollution, flouride and limescale before it enters yrou house.
Arthur Guy, Gloucester says...
10:45am Thu 5 Jun 08
Considering fluoride is a poison, perhaps we should ask why anyone would want to put it in the water supply anyway. We know during the second World war that the Nazi's used Fluoride to pacify the prisoners in the concentration camps. Are they trying to pacify us? Look at the chemicals being sprayed in the sky every day.
Spratto, Southampton says...
11:46am Thu 5 Jun 08
can anyone tell me who is going to stop the youngsters drinking sugar laden soft drinks and sweets and make them drink the poisoned water ?
Ed, Southampton says...
3:08pm Thu 5 Jun 08
Southampton has two Labour MPs. With the current state of opinion polls, they might be feeling a little nervous about losing their jobs at the next election.
Perhaps a few thousand letters and emails to them pointing out the strength of feeling on this subject might have some effect?
MPs contact details can be found here: http://www.parliamen
t.uk/directories/hci
olists/alms.cfm
Perhaps a few thousand letters and emails to them pointing out the strength of feeling on this subject might have some effect?
MPs contact details can be found here: http://www.parliamen
t.uk/directories/hci
olists/alms.cfm
Elizabeth Grey, Witham says...
3:12pm Thu 5 Jun 08
The toxic waste from the phosphate fertiliser industry that is used for fluoridation schemes needs to be dealt with at source as a contaminant - and not repackaged as being good for humans and also put out into the environment
Numpty Basher, says...
3:47pm Thu 5 Jun 08
david wrote:Looks like David can't actually read, as he seems to have no idea what that statement was referring to.
''But of course, reactionary conspiracy theories are much more fun, aren't they?'' Yeah sure it's good for you, have it you way, enjoy the brain damage. Ta ra x
Numpty.
Alex, City of London says...
5:15pm Thu 5 Jun 08
READ :
CONSPIRATORS HIERARCHY:
THE COMMITTEE OF 300 by Dr. John Coleman
ISBN: 0-922356-57-2 ISBN: 0963401947 (1997)
CONSPIRATORS HIERARCHY:
THE COMMITTEE OF 300 by Dr. John Coleman
ISBN: 0-922356-57-2 ISBN: 0963401947 (1997)
i thomas, totton says...
5:20pm Thu 5 Jun 08
the echco does not give a balance story it only prints news ?
DJ, fareham, hampshire says...
5:29pm Thu 5 Jun 08
It is plain to see that the government is trying to implement tactics employed by the nazis and soviet russia, to pacify their respective concentration camp and gulag populations.
It has been scientifically proven time and time again that fluoridation of water is an ineffective way of improving the dental health of the population. Topical application via toothpaste has a better effect.
Ingesting flouride actually damages your health, reduces your IQ, attacks your bodys glandular systems, increases the risk of bone cancer. Fluoride is also the main ingredient in rat poison.
Another reason to be against fluoridation is the fact that it is forced medication and the dose that people get can not be monitored or measured.
If you want to reduce your exposure to this harmful chemical, I suggest that you get yourself a water filter system or if you can afford it a reverse osmosis water filter system to minimise your risk.
In the US, where some states have had fluoridation for several decades have begun to ban it from their water supplies. Nearly all the countries in Europe have Banned fluoridation and regard the substance toxic.
It has been scientifically proven time and time again that fluoridation of water is an ineffective way of improving the dental health of the population. Topical application via toothpaste has a better effect.
Ingesting flouride actually damages your health, reduces your IQ, attacks your bodys glandular systems, increases the risk of bone cancer. Fluoride is also the main ingredient in rat poison.
Another reason to be against fluoridation is the fact that it is forced medication and the dose that people get can not be monitored or measured.
If you want to reduce your exposure to this harmful chemical, I suggest that you get yourself a water filter system or if you can afford it a reverse osmosis water filter system to minimise your risk.
In the US, where some states have had fluoridation for several decades have begun to ban it from their water supplies. Nearly all the countries in Europe have Banned fluoridation and regard the substance toxic.
marion, woolston says...
6:31pm Thu 5 Jun 08
Surely there must be some legal loophole that will prevent this mass pollution of our drinking water.Maybe someone should take this matter to the European Courts who usually seem to like meddling in our human rights laws. I live in Woolston and have two children, aged 18 & 15, neither of whom have needed fillings. This proves that we do no require flouride imposed on us to have good teeth.
robo, scotland says...
6:40pm Thu 5 Jun 08
not only are you being poisoned by floride,u r also being attacked by mecurry in you mouths ,i would be interested to know how many off the young people in wales that commited suicide had mercurry in their mouths,i brt my wad they all had,
P Griffiths, Andover says...
7:32pm Thu 5 Jun 08
The proposals to flouridate public water with toxic compounds of hexaflourasilic acid is a direct breech of european regulations forbiding the mass medication of human poulations. It is also an offence under section 4 of the offences against the person Act of 1841. the water regulations of 2003 were a specific attempt by the government to provide the water supply industry with a "blanket" immunity against civil and criminal liability arising out of these criminal acts. Poisoning by Flouride, a known and deadly toxin, has no place in the public health system and its introduction has more to do with eugenics and population control than dental care. Alan Johnson is more than aware of this. Unfortunately unelected and unaccountable "health quangos" will be seeking to call the shots on this issue and most of them will be riven with the corrupt members of Common Purpose. An organisation more sinister than the real IRA.
Mark, UK says...
8:59pm Thu 5 Jun 08
@ P. Griffiths.
I had been trying to remember the name of the sinister organisation that seems to be directly behind much of the collectivist assault on our individual liberties in order to do more research on it.
Thanks for reminding me that it is "Common Purpose". Do you have any recommended references and links?
I had been trying to remember the name of the sinister organisation that seems to be directly behind much of the collectivist assault on our individual liberties in order to do more research on it.
Thanks for reminding me that it is "Common Purpose". Do you have any recommended references and links?
adrian, southampton says...
9:23pm Thu 5 Jun 08
All these anti-fluoride people, what are you on? Sounds like people from different planet, Ooh the group who shouts loud and gets everything; well off middle class at the expense of poor and deprived. I am all for re-distribution of wealth and health.
Mark, says...
9:34pm Thu 5 Jun 08
So what has flouridization got to do with the re-distibution of either wealth or health? Have you done any research on the matter?
Isabelle, Soton says...
12:04am Fri 6 Jun 08
marion wrote:I don't know about you, but I intend to send the bill for my Reverse-Osmosis filter to the PCT, as they're the ones who'll have forced me to buy it.
Surely there must be some legal loophole that will prevent this mass pollution of our drinking water.Maybe someone should take this matter to the European Courts who usually seem to like meddling in our human rights laws. I live in Woolston and have two children, aged 18 & 15, neither of whom have needed fillings. This proves that we do no require flouride imposed on us to have good teeth.
They'll also cop all my osteopath bills from putting my back out lugging heavy bottles of water around every day - I don't have a car, and they always encourage us to walk everywhere and not emit CO2, so it's only fair really.
(For the record, I've never had a filling before and never even used fluoride toothpaste - it's not scientific evidence but it does go to show that your teeth won't fall out without fluoride, so long as you brush daily for two minutes and don't eat crap, and sip water whilst eating to wash away acids. Easy.)
Andy K, UK says...
4:28am Fri 6 Jun 08
I saw a documentary set in Tibet a couple of years ago. They were interviewing an old woman around 90 years old. She had a full set of white teeth. She's never been exposed to fluoride nor the junk in food we are exposed to in the '1st world'. Saying flouride is good for children's teeth is a kop out for lazy kids and parents who only need to make sure they are cleaning their teeth (preferably with a salt based toothpaste).
Why the hell would anyone want to drink water with this chemical in it? I hope the residents of Hampshire rally round and demand this is removed. Plus I would like to know who is benefitting from putting the fluoride into the water. Some company somewhere is providing it, and the someone is probably getting a kick back for this. Who pays for it? The customers.
Why the hell would anyone want to drink water with this chemical in it? I hope the residents of Hampshire rally round and demand this is removed. Plus I would like to know who is benefitting from putting the fluoride into the water. Some company somewhere is providing it, and the someone is probably getting a kick back for this. Who pays for it? The customers.
mitchell, gold coast australia says...
5:03am Fri 6 Jun 08
How dare they!
We need to start making groups all over the world.
They are bloody evil.
A ladies kid was in hospital last month from toothpast.
the baby was only 4 months old
We need to start making groups all over the world.
They are bloody evil.
A ladies kid was in hospital last month from toothpast.
the baby was only 4 months old
L Donovan, woolston says...
12:03pm Fri 6 Jun 08
I have 2 sons 18 & 20. They have problem teeth due to the fact that I inadvisedly used fluoride drops when they were babies. They both drink water regularly and clean their teeth regularly. I am concerned that fluoride in the water will damage their teeth further. At the moment they are looking at spending thousands on their teeth if they can ever afford it to have good white teeth again instead of the brown chalky teeth they have at present. Teeth need to be cleaned and checked by a dentist regularly and water substituted for fizzy drinks to have healthy teeth. This should be promoted through schools and health authorities. Spend the money on providing enough nhs dentists for everyone and encourage people to use them.
N Russell, Eastleigh says...
12:04pm Fri 6 Jun 08
This all concerns me!!
P Griffiths/Andover comments that to remove flouride then a process called reverse osmosis is to be used.
I have family who use water the reverse osmosis way in the caribbean and it is not only expensive, my mother has had various health problems since using it.
She is convinced that the water they use is the cause of the problems and now uses bottled water.
Why should we have to have flouride in our water at the expense of the governments short-comings?
I pay private dental fees for my 3 children despite my husband paying huge sums annually in tax and national insurance. I consider us lucky that we can afford to do this, but i am also sensible with their diet...everything in moderation!
Why should we all have more chemicals forced upon us when some of us strive to look after our teeth anyway?
P Griffiths/Andover comments that to remove flouride then a process called reverse osmosis is to be used.
I have family who use water the reverse osmosis way in the caribbean and it is not only expensive, my mother has had various health problems since using it.
She is convinced that the water they use is the cause of the problems and now uses bottled water.
Why should we have to have flouride in our water at the expense of the governments short-comings?
I pay private dental fees for my 3 children despite my husband paying huge sums annually in tax and national insurance. I consider us lucky that we can afford to do this, but i am also sensible with their diet...everything in moderation!
Why should we all have more chemicals forced upon us when some of us strive to look after our teeth anyway?
Stuart Jebbitt, Eastleigh says...
1:52pm Fri 6 Jun 08
Fluoridation is UNSAFE because:
It accumulates in our bones and makes them more brittle and prone to fracture. The weight of evidence from animal studies, clinical studies and epidemiological studies on this is overwhelming. Lifetime exposure to fluoride will contribute to higher rates of hip fracture in the elderly.
It accumulates in our pineal gland, possibly lowering the production of melatonin a very important regulatory hormone
It damages the enamel (dental fluorosis) of a high percentage of children. Between 30 and 50% of children have dental fluorosis on at least two teeth in a fluoridated area (It costs £200+ a tooth to put right)
There are still serious about a connection between fluoridation and osteosarcoma (bone cancer), in young men as well as fluoridation and the current epidemics of both arthritis and hypothyroidism.
In animal studies fluoride at 1 ppm in drinking water increases the uptake of aluminum into the brain. In humans, this increases the likehood of alzheimers
Fluoridation is UNETHICAL because:
It violates the individual's right to informed consent to medication.
It ignores the fact that some people are more vulnerable to fluoride's toxic effects
Fluoridation is UNNECESSARY because:
Children can have perfectly good teeth without being exposed to fluoride.
Fluoridated toothpaste is the best method for delivering fluoride to teeth while minimizing harmful exposure to the rest of the body.
The vast majority of Europe has rejected water fluoridation as unsafe and unethical
Fluoridation is INEFFECTIVE because:
Major dental researchers concede that fluoride is ineffective at preventing pit and fissure tooth decay, which is 85% of the tooth decay experienced by children.
In Fluoridated Birmingham, 48% of children have developed some degree of dental fluorosis. It is disfiguring and requires a cost of £200 a tooth to put right. Are they going to pay for this? "
Our bodies will suffer as we can only excrete half of it - the rest gets stored in our body tissue, particularly our bones.
Basically, its a complete waste of time, its unsafe, and Its nanny state trying to divert from the fact that is they who are responsible for an increase in poor dental health among the less well off.
They destroyed the access to NHS dental care and they need to put it right - Poisoning us, whether we want it or not, is not the answer
Complain to your MP now at .
http://www.parliamen
t.uk/directories/hci
olists/alms.cfm
Also CALL Southern water and threaten to sue them if they go ahead.
Stuart Jebbitt, Eastleigh says...
1:56pm Fri 6 Jun 08
adrian wrote:Adrian, it is the POOR who will suffer the most from this!!! I can't afford dental care because there are no NHS dentists and I can't afford Private care. It's a LABOUR govt. doing all this - WAKE UP MATE!!!
All these anti-fluoride people, what are you on? Sounds like people from different planet, Ooh the group who shouts loud and gets everything; well off middle class at the expense of poor and deprived. I am all for re-distribution of wealth and health.
Mark, UK says...
3:33pm Fri 6 Jun 08
Adrian is the "Boxer" character in George Orwell's Animal Farm. Whatever the Party elite says is good for us must be so. No need for independent thought or research. Just take your medecine like a good little prole.
hulla, baloo says...
11:45am Wed 4 Jun 08
I wonder what the outcome would be if a customer refused to pay his bill on the grounds that the water board is supplying a customer with something he does not want.
Could make for an interesting legal precedent.