Redundancy pay offs to cost cash strapped council £4m

Daily Echo: Council leader Richard Williams Council leader Richard Williams

About £4m has been set aside for redundancy pay-offs at Southampton City Council.

Around one quarter of the 279 posts to go in the biggest cuts in jobs and services the city has seen are vacant and the council hopes to redeploy a further 50 staff.

But the rest of the job cuts, revealed last night, will see workers shown the door through redundancies and early retirements.

It comes on top of Labour’s plans to let 200 staff on temporary contracts go in coming years.

Adrian Baker, a regional organiser from the GMB union, said: “This is a massive blow, not only for the staff of Southampton City Council but also the residents of Southampton, with those least able to defend themselves hardest hit.

“Be in no doubt, following the last round of cuts, those still in place within Southampton City Council had to pick up a huge amount of work to cover for those made redundant and it will simply get worse this time round for those who remain.”

Cllr Don Thomas from the breakaway Labour Councillors Against The Cuts group, called on the administration to “stop cutting” and “start fighting” the funding cuts.

The councillor, who sits on the Coxford and District Youth Project, said the budget would be “disastrous” for the next generation and accused former Labour colleagues of failing to stand up for the people who voted for them.

The council, which spends more than £500m a year, including running schools and paying out benefits, faces a budget gap of £58m over the next three years.

Under the cost-cutting plan £4m will be slashed from the adult care budget, and the city archaeology unit will be shut down.

Labour has budgeted for the city’s weekly bin collections to be axed, with the loss of 12 jobs, if the council fails to win a bid for £8m from a Government recycling fund.

Many motorists will be made to pay to park outside their homes with an end to free residents’ permits. A plan to bring in the controversial policy was scrapped four years ago after a Daily Echo campaign.

Charges will be introduced for evening and district centre car parking. Fees for burials, cremations and rat catchers will be hiked by five per cent.

Library hours will be reduced and funding for HIV/Aids support services will also be cut, risking the “viability” of the organisations that provide them, according to council officials.

Elsewhere, travellers will be charged more for electricity and water at the Kanes Hill site.

The personal number plates of the mayor’s car will be put up for sale, and two council directorates will be merged.

Councillors’ allowances will be reviewed when the budget is set in February, a £105,000 director post will be deleted and two of the eight Cabinet posts axed to save £26,000.

Negotiations have taken place with Capita, the private firm paid £36m a year to run a swathe of council servic es, to save £3.5m next year.

Cabinet member for resources Cllr Simon Letts, who previously compared the cost-cutting to removing limbs, said: “No one gets into local politics to cut services and drafting this budget has been a painful process.

“We have had to separate the ‘good-to-haves’ from the ‘absolutely necessary’ and we do feel that we have managed to protect services to the most vulnerable people in the city while making savings that will undoubtedly affect what the council can offer the rest of us.”

He appealed to residents and council staff to come forward with suggestions during a budget consultation in coming months.

Cllr Letts added: “Savings have to come from somewhere – but the purpose of the consultation is now to ask whether we have made the right choices.”

Council leader Cllr Richard Williams was at a meeting of the city’s pensioner’s forum just before the budget was released and refused to tell them whether they would be made pay more council tax.

He claimed he was legally barred from telling them a controversial ten per cent council tax discount, that critics claim unfairly benefits the rich, will be axed. Police special constables will also lose a council tax break and everyone will see bills rise two per cent.

Labour says a Government offer of short-term funding to keep down council tax bills would leave the council with a larger deficit in future years.

Cllr Williams insisted: “This budget is painful, but necessary. We have managed to safeguard the most essential services, increase income equitably and where reductions have to be made, they have been made with care and with regard to maintaining the best possible service for the most possible people.”

Staff who took part in strikes and industrial action that left one million uncollected bin bags rotting across the city last summer will see most of their pay cuts restored, a cost to the council rising from £0.6m next year to £2.2m, but a potential £12m union legal action will be set aside.

Unison branch secretary Mike Tucker said workers facing the sack had been left “upset and angry” when told in meetings yesterday but he said they did not blame the Labour administration.

He said there remained “hostility” towards Tory leader Cllr Royston Smith, who cut their pay in a bid to protect 400 jobs.

He said a mass meeting of union members would be held on Thursday to agree a response to the job cuts. More industrial action has not been ruled out, he said.

Unite’s Mark Wood said unions would “work tirelessly to protect as many jobs and services as possible and campaign for a fair deal for Southampton.”

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7:58am Tue 13 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Unison branch secretary Mike Tucker said workers facing the sack had been left “upset and angry” when told in meetings yesterday but he said they did not blame the Labour administration.

He said there remained “hostility” towards Tory leader Cllr Royston Smith, who cut their pay in a bid to protect jobs.
No hostility towards Labour?
Exactly who was Mike Tucker talking to?
I've spoken to bin men many don't trust him or the Unions.
They feel shafted by both unions & the Labour Party.
the deal offered by the Tories would have left many with No cut in pay but now they face the biggest cut of all ? losing their jobs,
Now we know Williams is a devout liar & his colleagues will lie for him so why does anyone believe the council?
two cabinet posts to go BIG DEAL these are the made up posts aren't they?
Waiting for £8million grant from Government?
Is that the grant the Tory Council Applied for?
Yet again another scheme to save council jobs by the Tory council ( last council).
Looks like we can now see Labour hasn't a clue
Unison branch secretary Mike Tucker said workers facing the sack had been left “upset and angry” when told in meetings yesterday but he said they did not blame the Labour administration. He said there remained “hostility” towards Tory leader Cllr Royston Smith, who cut their pay in a bid to protect jobs. No hostility towards Labour? Exactly who was Mike Tucker talking to? I've spoken to bin men many don't trust him or the Unions. They feel shafted by both unions & the Labour Party. the deal offered by the Tories would have left many with No cut in pay but now they face the biggest cut of all ? losing their jobs, Now we know Williams is a devout liar & his colleagues will lie for him so why does anyone believe the council? two cabinet posts to go BIG DEAL these are the made up posts aren't they? Waiting for £8million grant from Government? Is that the grant the Tory Council Applied for? Yet again another scheme to save council jobs by the Tory council ( last council). Looks like we can now see Labour hasn't a clue loosehead
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8:08am Tue 13 Nov 12

The Watcher says...

This is quite simply NOT A LOCAL ISSUE.
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Attempting to blame the current ruling council spectacularly misses the point that the real crunch here is the reduction in funding from Central Government.
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Whilst there may be the odd spending/cuts decision that can be argued over, the sole and overwhelming influence on these cuts is the huge cutbacks beng made in Westminster.
This is quite simply NOT A LOCAL ISSUE. . Attempting to blame the current ruling council spectacularly misses the point that the real crunch here is the reduction in funding from Central Government. . Whilst there may be the odd spending/cuts decision that can be argued over, the sole and overwhelming influence on these cuts is the huge cutbacks beng made in Westminster. The Watcher
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8:12am Tue 13 Nov 12

Lone Ranger. says...

loosehead wrote:
Unison branch secretary Mike Tucker said workers facing the sack had been left “upset and angry” when told in meetings yesterday but he said they did not blame the Labour administration.

He said there remained “hostility” towards Tory leader Cllr Royston Smith, who cut their pay in a bid to protect jobs.
No hostility towards Labour?
Exactly who was Mike Tucker talking to?
I've spoken to bin men many don't trust him or the Unions.
They feel shafted by both unions & the Labour Party.
the deal offered by the Tories would have left many with No cut in pay but now they face the biggest cut of all ? losing their jobs,
Now we know Williams is a devout liar & his colleagues will lie for him so why does anyone believe the council?
two cabinet posts to go BIG DEAL these are the made up posts aren't they?
Waiting for £8million grant from Government?
Is that the grant the Tory Council Applied for?
Yet again another scheme to save council jobs by the Tory council ( last council).
Looks like we can now see Labour hasn't a clue
I think by your post .... Its you that hasnt a clue.
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But nothing new there then
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Unison branch secretary Mike Tucker said workers facing the sack had been left “upset and angry” when told in meetings yesterday but he said they did not blame the Labour administration. He said there remained “hostility” towards Tory leader Cllr Royston Smith, who cut their pay in a bid to protect jobs. No hostility towards Labour? Exactly who was Mike Tucker talking to? I've spoken to bin men many don't trust him or the Unions. They feel shafted by both unions & the Labour Party. the deal offered by the Tories would have left many with No cut in pay but now they face the biggest cut of all ? losing their jobs, Now we know Williams is a devout liar & his colleagues will lie for him so why does anyone believe the council? two cabinet posts to go BIG DEAL these are the made up posts aren't they? Waiting for £8million grant from Government? Is that the grant the Tory Council Applied for? Yet again another scheme to save council jobs by the Tory council ( last council). Looks like we can now see Labour hasn't a clue[/p][/quote]I think by your post .... Its you that hasnt a clue. . But nothing new there then Lone Ranger.
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9:42am Tue 13 Nov 12

freefinker says...

The Watcher wrote:
This is quite simply NOT A LOCAL ISSUE.
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Attempting to blame the current ruling council spectacularly misses the point that the real crunch here is the reduction in funding from Central Government.
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Whilst there may be the odd spending/cuts decision that can be argued over, the sole and overwhelming influence on these cuts is the huge cutbacks beng made in Westminster.
.. well said and totally accurate.

However that will not stop the Red and Blue tribes from slagging each other off on here. It seems they are incapable of noticing there is almost no difference between them.
[quote][p][bold]The Watcher[/bold] wrote: This is quite simply NOT A LOCAL ISSUE. . Attempting to blame the current ruling council spectacularly misses the point that the real crunch here is the reduction in funding from Central Government. . Whilst there may be the odd spending/cuts decision that can be argued over, the sole and overwhelming influence on these cuts is the huge cutbacks beng made in Westminster.[/p][/quote].. well said and totally accurate. However that will not stop the Red and Blue tribes from slagging each other off on here. It seems they are incapable of noticing there is almost no difference between them. freefinker
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10:34am Tue 13 Nov 12

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
Unison branch secretary Mike Tucker said workers facing the sack had been left “upset and angry” when told in meetings yesterday but he said they did not blame the Labour administration. He said there remained “hostility” towards Tory leader Cllr Royston Smith, who cut their pay in a bid to protect jobs. No hostility towards Labour? Exactly who was Mike Tucker talking to? I've spoken to bin men many don't trust him or the Unions. They feel shafted by both unions & the Labour Party. the deal offered by the Tories would have left many with No cut in pay but now they face the biggest cut of all ? losing their jobs, Now we know Williams is a devout liar & his colleagues will lie for him so why does anyone believe the council? two cabinet posts to go BIG DEAL these are the made up posts aren't they? Waiting for £8million grant from Government? Is that the grant the Tory Council Applied for? Yet again another scheme to save council jobs by the Tory council ( last council). Looks like we can now see Labour hasn't a clue
Sorry Looselips, you are wrong as usual. The staff's hatred of Royston Smith remains as strong as ever. They mainly blame the tories in London because it us their slash and burn policy that makes thus budget necessary.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Unison branch secretary Mike Tucker said workers facing the sack had been left “upset and angry” when told in meetings yesterday but he said they did not blame the Labour administration. He said there remained “hostility” towards Tory leader Cllr Royston Smith, who cut their pay in a bid to protect jobs. No hostility towards Labour? Exactly who was Mike Tucker talking to? I've spoken to bin men many don't trust him or the Unions. They feel shafted by both unions & the Labour Party. the deal offered by the Tories would have left many with No cut in pay but now they face the biggest cut of all ? losing their jobs, Now we know Williams is a devout liar & his colleagues will lie for him so why does anyone believe the council? two cabinet posts to go BIG DEAL these are the made up posts aren't they? Waiting for £8million grant from Government? Is that the grant the Tory Council Applied for? Yet again another scheme to save council jobs by the Tory council ( last council). Looks like we can now see Labour hasn't a clue[/p][/quote]Sorry Looselips, you are wrong as usual. The staff's hatred of Royston Smith remains as strong as ever. They mainly blame the tories in London because it us their slash and burn policy that makes thus budget necessary. thinklikealocal
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11:02am Tue 13 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Great so you supporters of this Williams lying Labour Council still can't see the truth No surprise there then!
Lone Ranger if you can only justify this pathetic council by throwing insults then fire away as by christ you look such a fool now I can't take anything you say seriously now.
Thinklikealocal but lives in Eastleigh you said cut jobs rather than cut pay Well you got your wish So obviously you'll still hate a council that tried to save as many jobs as possible wouldn't you.
Before the elections Royston & Moulton both said there would be a £42million shortfall so why are Labour saying £32million was what it was?
£3million saved to fight legal action cuts that down to £39million,
£7million to restore pay cuts brings it down to £32million that sounds like the figure Letts was talking about.
£6.9millon underspend by the Tories brings it down to£25.1approx million.
Now explain to me where the £50million is coming from that Labour are spending on Townhill Park?
Did we ever get the £1million back from that private company ( SFC)?
You all look & sound so stupid why not admit you've been betrayed by both the Labour council & the Unions?
I feel sorry for those who will lose their jobs but feel totally justified in my stand on this subject.
I wonder how grateful those workers transferred to Capita by the Tories are for being given job security by the Tories?
Great so you supporters of this Williams lying Labour Council still can't see the truth No surprise there then! Lone Ranger if you can only justify this pathetic council by throwing insults then fire away as by christ you look such a fool now I can't take anything you say seriously now. Thinklikealocal but lives in Eastleigh you said cut jobs rather than cut pay Well you got your wish So obviously you'll still hate a council that tried to save as many jobs as possible wouldn't you. Before the elections Royston & Moulton both said there would be a £42million shortfall so why are Labour saying £32million was what it was? £3million saved to fight legal action cuts that down to £39million, £7million to restore pay cuts brings it down to £32million that sounds like the figure Letts was talking about. £6.9millon underspend by the Tories brings it down to£25.1approx million. Now explain to me where the £50million is coming from that Labour are spending on Townhill Park? Did we ever get the £1million back from that private company ( SFC)? You all look & sound so stupid why not admit you've been betrayed by both the Labour council & the Unions? I feel sorry for those who will lose their jobs but feel totally justified in my stand on this subject. I wonder how grateful those workers transferred to Capita by the Tories are for being given job security by the Tories? loosehead
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1:09pm Tue 13 Nov 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Obviously coward councillors of all three main political parties find it easy to victimise unorganised members of the public by reducing their services and raising the charges and council tax. BUT hardly any of them through out the country is brave enough to stand up and get counted against the national/central government, which for few decades under different political controls have kept on pushing more and more responsibilities upon local authorities while squeezing central contributions towards the budgets of local councils.

Root cause of this problem needs addressing, ping pong of insults based on loyalties to main political parties, which these days have virtually similar policies, may be entertaining for regular contributors on this site, but is failing to address the real problem of local government finances.

So unless there is a well organised campaign against ruthless national policies, people will keep on suffering.

So called union leaders are not stupid, they have known the real problem all the time, as have the so called self serving councillors. But nevertheless they still went on promising the voters all kinds of pies in the sky during last election. That is why likes of Dear Leader Williams and likes of Simon Letts can be accused of unacceptable dishonest behaviour in public life.

By the way are these councillors in power same people who were saying they have different ways to avoid redundancies? Perhaps real Dear Leader Williams and Simon Letts could explain what happened to those fairy tales?
Obviously coward councillors of all three main political parties find it easy to victimise unorganised members of the public by reducing their services and raising the charges and council tax. BUT hardly any of them through out the country is brave enough to stand up and get counted against the national/central government, which for few decades under different political controls have kept on pushing more and more responsibilities upon local authorities while squeezing central contributions towards the budgets of local councils. Root cause of this problem needs addressing, ping pong of insults based on loyalties to main political parties, which these days have virtually similar policies, may be entertaining for regular contributors on this site, but is failing to address the real problem of local government finances. So unless there is a well organised campaign against ruthless national policies, people will keep on suffering. So called union leaders are not stupid, they have known the real problem all the time, as have the so called self serving councillors. But nevertheless they still went on promising the voters all kinds of pies in the sky during last election. That is why likes of Dear Leader Williams and likes of Simon Letts can be accused of unacceptable dishonest behaviour in public life. By the way are these councillors in power same people who were saying they have different ways to avoid redundancies? Perhaps real Dear Leader Williams and Simon Letts could explain what happened to those fairy tales? Paramjit Bahia
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2:47pm Tue 13 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Obviously coward councillors of all three main political parties find it easy to victimise unorganised members of the public by reducing their services and raising the charges and council tax. BUT hardly any of them through out the country is brave enough to stand up and get counted against the national/central government, which for few decades under different political controls have kept on pushing more and more responsibilities upon local authorities while squeezing central contributions towards the budgets of local councils.

Root cause of this problem needs addressing, ping pong of insults based on loyalties to main political parties, which these days have virtually similar policies, may be entertaining for regular contributors on this site, but is failing to address the real problem of local government finances.

So unless there is a well organised campaign against ruthless national policies, people will keep on suffering.

So called union leaders are not stupid, they have known the real problem all the time, as have the so called self serving councillors. But nevertheless they still went on promising the voters all kinds of pies in the sky during last election. That is why likes of Dear Leader Williams and likes of Simon Letts can be accused of unacceptable dishonest behaviour in public life.

By the way are these councillors in power same people who were saying they have different ways to avoid redundancies? Perhaps real Dear Leader Williams and Simon Letts could explain what happened to those fairy tales?
Paramjit do you remember the article in this paper where Williams said 1,500 job cuts fortnightly Collections & 1-10 refuse jobs to go?
What do you think of the Unions who've just got their members to accept a deal with Lower redundancy packages & lower Pensions?
I might be right wing but I have worked an 8hour shift ( overtime) for free just to get the price of the product down to save our jobs.
So when I supported pay cuts I saw it as a good way for saving as many jobs as possible & many Unions sought to have this happen in Private Industry.
Now we see the flip side of the coin no pay cuts but job cuts?
Letts said we were looking at £32million cuts but it's gone up to £42million?
The Tories were shouting that figure(£42mil) out loud before the local elections did Letts think they were lying like his leader Williams?
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Obviously coward councillors of all three main political parties find it easy to victimise unorganised members of the public by reducing their services and raising the charges and council tax. BUT hardly any of them through out the country is brave enough to stand up and get counted against the national/central government, which for few decades under different political controls have kept on pushing more and more responsibilities upon local authorities while squeezing central contributions towards the budgets of local councils. Root cause of this problem needs addressing, ping pong of insults based on loyalties to main political parties, which these days have virtually similar policies, may be entertaining for regular contributors on this site, but is failing to address the real problem of local government finances. So unless there is a well organised campaign against ruthless national policies, people will keep on suffering. So called union leaders are not stupid, they have known the real problem all the time, as have the so called self serving councillors. But nevertheless they still went on promising the voters all kinds of pies in the sky during last election. That is why likes of Dear Leader Williams and likes of Simon Letts can be accused of unacceptable dishonest behaviour in public life. By the way are these councillors in power same people who were saying they have different ways to avoid redundancies? Perhaps real Dear Leader Williams and Simon Letts could explain what happened to those fairy tales?[/p][/quote]Paramjit do you remember the article in this paper where Williams said 1,500 job cuts fortnightly Collections & 1-10 refuse jobs to go? What do you think of the Unions who've just got their members to accept a deal with Lower redundancy packages & lower Pensions? I might be right wing but I have worked an 8hour shift ( overtime) for free just to get the price of the product down to save our jobs. So when I supported pay cuts I saw it as a good way for saving as many jobs as possible & many Unions sought to have this happen in Private Industry. Now we see the flip side of the coin no pay cuts but job cuts? Letts said we were looking at £32million cuts but it's gone up to £42million? The Tories were shouting that figure(£42mil) out loud before the local elections did Letts think they were lying like his leader Williams? loosehead
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2:56pm Tue 13 Nov 12

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

Why waste £4m on redundancies?

Surely better to keep staff in post, and give everyone a small pay cut, much fairer, preserves services, and keeps as many as possible in a job.

But of course that is exactly what the conservatives were doing.

The unions and labour have let down the people of Southampton, and have let down the employees.

I hope the council workers who didnt bother to vote against the strikes realise now their mistake. They must stand up for themselves, and vote down the militants, whenever they rear their heads, as they do more harm than good.
Why waste £4m on redundancies? Surely better to keep staff in post, and give everyone a small pay cut, much fairer, preserves services, and keeps as many as possible in a job. But of course that is exactly what the conservatives were doing. The unions and labour have let down the people of Southampton, and have let down the employees. I hope the council workers who didnt bother to vote against the strikes realise now their mistake. They must stand up for themselves, and vote down the militants, whenever they rear their heads, as they do more harm than good. Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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3:00pm Tue 13 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Sotonians_lets_pull_
together
wrote:
Why waste £4m on redundancies?

Surely better to keep staff in post, and give everyone a small pay cut, much fairer, preserves services, and keeps as many as possible in a job.

But of course that is exactly what the conservatives were doing.

The unions and labour have let down the people of Southampton, and have let down the employees.

I hope the council workers who didnt bother to vote against the strikes realise now their mistake. They must stand up for themselves, and vote down the militants, whenever they rear their heads, as they do more harm than good.
I wonder how many pro council/union workers who post on here are losing their jobs?
[quote][p][bold]Sotonians_lets_pull_ together[/bold] wrote: Why waste £4m on redundancies? Surely better to keep staff in post, and give everyone a small pay cut, much fairer, preserves services, and keeps as many as possible in a job. But of course that is exactly what the conservatives were doing. The unions and labour have let down the people of Southampton, and have let down the employees. I hope the council workers who didnt bother to vote against the strikes realise now their mistake. They must stand up for themselves, and vote down the militants, whenever they rear their heads, as they do more harm than good.[/p][/quote]I wonder how many pro council/union workers who post on here are losing their jobs? loosehead
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5:33pm Tue 13 Nov 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

loosehead wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Obviously coward councillors of all three main political parties find it easy to victimise unorganised members of the public by reducing their services and raising the charges and council tax. BUT hardly any of them through out the country is brave enough to stand up and get counted against the national/central government, which for few decades under different political controls have kept on pushing more and more responsibilities upon local authorities while squeezing central contributions towards the budgets of local councils.

Root cause of this problem needs addressing, ping pong of insults based on loyalties to main political parties, which these days have virtually similar policies, may be entertaining for regular contributors on this site, but is failing to address the real problem of local government finances.

So unless there is a well organised campaign against ruthless national policies, people will keep on suffering.

So called union leaders are not stupid, they have known the real problem all the time, as have the so called self serving councillors. But nevertheless they still went on promising the voters all kinds of pies in the sky during last election. That is why likes of Dear Leader Williams and likes of Simon Letts can be accused of unacceptable dishonest behaviour in public life.

By the way are these councillors in power same people who were saying they have different ways to avoid redundancies? Perhaps real Dear Leader Williams and Simon Letts could explain what happened to those fairy tales?
Paramjit do you remember the article in this paper where Williams said 1,500 job cuts fortnightly Collections & 1-10 refuse jobs to go?
What do you think of the Unions who've just got their members to accept a deal with Lower redundancy packages & lower Pensions?
I might be right wing but I have worked an 8hour shift ( overtime) for free just to get the price of the product down to save our jobs.
So when I supported pay cuts I saw it as a good way for saving as many jobs as possible & many Unions sought to have this happen in Private Industry.
Now we see the flip side of the coin no pay cuts but job cuts?
Letts said we were looking at £32million cuts but it's gone up to £42million?
The Tories were shouting that figure(£42mil) out loud before the local elections did Letts think they were lying like his leader Williams?
Yes I remember all that. But you should also remember that I did not vote for NuLabour. In fact I not only voted for TUSC candidate but also nominated him because Tim is one of the highly committed trade unionist and very honest and open about his views. I have never ever supported Dear Leader Williams or his Deputy, but yes I still have great respect for Simon Letts, although I am disappointed with what he is doing these days.

YES I do believe in trade union movement, and my not so good views about most of their so called leaders are well known. But at the end of the day it is up to the grass root membership to sort them out, if they keep on electing likes of Tucker then I respect their right but then they also are paying the price for their decisions.

Just because I have always been critical of some so called leaders does not mean that I am going to start trusting your union bashing Tory friends. As individuals some of them of them may even be decent people but it is the overall social and economic policies of your beloved beasts I won't touch even with a barge pole.

My problems are not with any individual it is about their overall policies which I resent.

In overall scheme of things I still believe that even NuLabour has many decent people who still believe in Labour values are stranded in it, but overall the party these days is dominated by Closet Conservatives, so I fail to understand why as a Tory you keep on moaning about your B team.

By the way just because I do not support Tories should not mean that I do not respect their rights to hold views which even Ms. May confessed has created the perception of Conservatives as Nasty Party. So who am I to question the judgement of lady of her calibre? Diametrically opposing views can only be good for the health of democracy, provided people and parties are honest about those.
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[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Obviously coward councillors of all three main political parties find it easy to victimise unorganised members of the public by reducing their services and raising the charges and council tax. BUT hardly any of them through out the country is brave enough to stand up and get counted against the national/central government, which for few decades under different political controls have kept on pushing more and more responsibilities upon local authorities while squeezing central contributions towards the budgets of local councils. Root cause of this problem needs addressing, ping pong of insults based on loyalties to main political parties, which these days have virtually similar policies, may be entertaining for regular contributors on this site, but is failing to address the real problem of local government finances. So unless there is a well organised campaign against ruthless national policies, people will keep on suffering. So called union leaders are not stupid, they have known the real problem all the time, as have the so called self serving councillors. But nevertheless they still went on promising the voters all kinds of pies in the sky during last election. That is why likes of Dear Leader Williams and likes of Simon Letts can be accused of unacceptable dishonest behaviour in public life. By the way are these councillors in power same people who were saying they have different ways to avoid redundancies? Perhaps real Dear Leader Williams and Simon Letts could explain what happened to those fairy tales?[/p][/quote]Paramjit do you remember the article in this paper where Williams said 1,500 job cuts fortnightly Collections & 1-10 refuse jobs to go? What do you think of the Unions who've just got their members to accept a deal with Lower redundancy packages & lower Pensions? I might be right wing but I have worked an 8hour shift ( overtime) for free just to get the price of the product down to save our jobs. So when I supported pay cuts I saw it as a good way for saving as many jobs as possible & many Unions sought to have this happen in Private Industry. Now we see the flip side of the coin no pay cuts but job cuts? Letts said we were looking at £32million cuts but it's gone up to £42million? The Tories were shouting that figure(£42mil) out loud before the local elections did Letts think they were lying like his leader Williams?[/p][/quote]Yes I remember all that. But you should also remember that I did not vote for NuLabour. In fact I not only voted for TUSC candidate but also nominated him because Tim is one of the highly committed trade unionist and very honest and open about his views. I have never ever supported Dear Leader Williams or his Deputy, but yes I still have great respect for Simon Letts, although I am disappointed with what he is doing these days. YES I do believe in trade union movement, and my not so good views about most of their so called leaders are well known. But at the end of the day it is up to the grass root membership to sort them out, if they keep on electing likes of Tucker then I respect their right but then they also are paying the price for their decisions. Just because I have always been critical of some so called leaders does not mean that I am going to start trusting your union bashing Tory friends. As individuals some of them of them may even be decent people but it is the overall social and economic policies of your beloved beasts I won't touch even with a barge pole. My problems are not with any individual it is about their overall policies which I resent. In overall scheme of things I still believe that even NuLabour has many decent people who still believe in Labour values are stranded in it, but overall the party these days is dominated by Closet Conservatives, so I fail to understand why as a Tory you keep on moaning about your B team. By the way just because I do not support Tories should not mean that I do not respect their rights to hold views which even Ms. May confessed has created the perception of Conservatives as Nasty Party. So who am I to question the judgement of lady of her calibre? Diametrically opposing views can only be good for the health of democracy, provided people and parties are honest about those. . Paramjit Bahia
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6:29pm Tue 13 Nov 12

aldermoorboy says...

Great news Tucker keeps his job.
More great news all Labour councillors keep their jobs.
Even more great news 2 extra Labour councillors promoted earning an extra £22,000 each year.
Even better news we the tax payer pay Tuckers wages.
Vote Tory in 2014 for a better way forward with honest councillors.
Better still help the Tories on the streets by calling/leafleting etc.
Great news Tucker keeps his job. More great news all Labour councillors keep their jobs. Even more great news 2 extra Labour councillors promoted earning an extra £22,000 each year. Even better news we the tax payer pay Tuckers wages. Vote Tory in 2014 for a better way forward with honest councillors. Better still help the Tories on the streets by calling/leafleting etc. aldermoorboy
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8:50pm Tue 13 Nov 12

loosehead says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Great news Tucker keeps his job.
More great news all Labour councillors keep their jobs.
Even more great news 2 extra Labour councillors promoted earning an extra £22,000 each year.
Even better news we the tax payer pay Tuckers wages.
Vote Tory in 2014 for a better way forward with honest councillors.
Better still help the Tories on the streets by calling/leafleting etc.
I went leafletting on several occasions the last time was over Oaklands Pool were you there?
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Great news Tucker keeps his job. More great news all Labour councillors keep their jobs. Even more great news 2 extra Labour councillors promoted earning an extra £22,000 each year. Even better news we the tax payer pay Tuckers wages. Vote Tory in 2014 for a better way forward with honest councillors. Better still help the Tories on the streets by calling/leafleting etc.[/p][/quote]I went leafletting on several occasions the last time was over Oaklands Pool were you there? loosehead
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