Are unions running the council?

Unison branch secretary Mike Tucker during a protest march last year.

Are unions running the council?

First published in Politics Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Politics and business reporter

THEY helped Labour sweep to power in Southampton, now attend high level council meetings and cost the taxpayer £200,000 a year.

Opposition Tories say the trade unions are calling the shots and dictate policy in a “back door” takeover of the Civic Centre.

But the unions themselves insist their new influence at Southampton council is merely a return to good industrial relations.

The Daily Echo can reveal that since Labour was elected in May trade union representatives now attend the monthly top level meeting of the council’s management board made up of the chief executive and council directors.

They can also sit in on regular Cabinet member briefings with senior officers as well as officer decision- making meetings, all behind closed doors.

Tory group leader Councillor Royston Smith claims unions are now “dictating” policy and said it was time to slash council funding for union reps as the council goes out to consultation on its deepest ever budget cuts and record jobs losses.

Mike Tucker, branch secretary of the Unison union, the largest at the council, said the access was nothing new, but a “re-activation” of a series of consultative groups that came to an end under the previous four-year Tory administration.

He said the meetings were an opportunity to raise issues or discuss policy initiatives to “improve the way the council works and try to identify problems before they arise. It’s what happens with most employers.”

Mr Tucker said: “Despite what Royston Smith says we don’t run the council. We have the opportunity to influence decisions but it’s the full council that makes the policy decisions.”

He added union representatives met with council officers more often than with Labour council leaders.

“We are not meeting with the Labour administration on a daily or even weekly basis,” he said.

Yet trade unions were given a confidential copy of the budget a week before it was published and Unite, the union, breached a council embargo by an hour to release the headline details of the cuts.

Council leader Councillor Richard Williams refused to give even an early hint of the budget when quizzed by the city’s pensioners’ forum the same afternoon.

Cllr Smith said a preference for losing jobs over pay, keeping services in-house and being hostile to sharing services had all fed into Labour’s budget approach.

He added that the Labour leadership had little room for manoeuvre because of commitments made to the unions in the run-up to the local elections.

He pointed to a recent Cabinet paper on a new redeployment scheme as evidence of union influence.

It initially recommended consultation on the details with “staff and unions” but was amended to just “unions”. Nearly half of the council’s 4,000-strong workforce are not union members. Cllr Smith said the amendment gave unions greater power.

“We all go through the process of trying to get elected so we can further our own aims, but the unions have not bothered to do that. They have got Labour elected through their big election posters and publications and now they get to sit in on every meeting,” he said.

“The unions are a massive influence.

"They have put themselves in charge of running Southampton City Council by the back door.

“Labour are run by the unions which is a throwback to the dark old days of the 1970s.”

Unite branch secretary Mark Wood was unavailable for comment.

Council finance boss Councillor Simon Letts said: “Like all good employers it is sensible that the council consults with its workforce and staff representatives have been invited to attend briefings with cabinet members if they wish.

“We feel this approach to staff relations is better than the previous administration’s.

"Their approach left a million uncollected bin bags on the streets of Southampton and left us with the worst local council staff relations in the country.

"Due to the vast scale of Government cuts it is important that we work closely with staff and their representatives in these very difficult times.”

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1:12pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Linesman says...

'Dictating' is a word that I associate more with Royston Smith.

If he had been prepared to Negotiate instead of Dictate, then maybe, just maybe he would still be leader of the City Council.
'Dictating' is a word that I associate more with Royston Smith. If he had been prepared to Negotiate instead of Dictate, then maybe, just maybe he would still be leader of the City Council. Linesman
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1:16pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Shoong says...

Hmm, hardly any new revelations here.
Hmm, hardly any new revelations here. Shoong
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1:18pm Tue 20 Nov 12

loosehead says...

So the Unions were in on the Budget talks?
So as I've said before two Union Conveners/shop stewards looking after number 1.
Restore pay & cut jobs but not mine?
We voted in a Political Party to run this city not the Unions.
Is this why we had a year of disruption? was this what Labour promised the Unions if they helped Labour get elected?
So they were in on the closing of Oaklands Swimming Pool & in on 1-10 refuse jobs going?
They forced the last council to amend a proposal so those above £22,000 would only receive a 2%pay cut & then it would rise up to 5.5% cut paid for with the Unions insistence by 80 permanent jobs?
So these Unions are for the Workers?
Why can't we have an election so we can vote out the Unions?
Oh! that's right we never elected them in the first place did we?
So the Unions were in on the Budget talks? So as I've said before two Union Conveners/shop stewards looking after number 1. Restore pay & cut jobs but not mine? We voted in a Political Party to run this city not the Unions. Is this why we had a year of disruption? was this what Labour promised the Unions if they helped Labour get elected? So they were in on the closing of Oaklands Swimming Pool & in on 1-10 refuse jobs going? They forced the last council to amend a proposal so those above £22,000 would only receive a 2%pay cut & then it would rise up to 5.5% cut paid for with the Unions insistence by 80 permanent jobs? So these Unions are for the Workers? Why can't we have an election so we can vote out the Unions? Oh! that's right we never elected them in the first place did we? loosehead
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1:38pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Linesman says...

"We voted in a Political Party to run this city...."

Nice to know that you voted Labour.

Would never have guessed from the way you idolise Royston Smith.
"We voted in a Political Party to run this city...." Nice to know that you voted Labour. Would never have guessed from the way you idolise Royston Smith. Linesman
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1:43pm Tue 20 Nov 12

bigfella777 says...

Cut what you like.I dont use your services but I will keep giving you money, put the tax up 50 % I dont care.
Cut what you like.I dont use your services but I will keep giving you money, put the tax up 50 % I dont care. bigfella777
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1:44pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Shoong says...

Linesman wrote:
"We voted in a Political Party to run this city...."

Nice to know that you voted Labour.

Would never have guessed from the way you idolise Royston Smith.
Well, that's rich.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: "We voted in a Political Party to run this city...." Nice to know that you voted Labour. Would never have guessed from the way you idolise Royston Smith.[/p][/quote]Well, that's rich. Shoong
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1:46pm Tue 20 Nov 12

jonnyx says...

dear ian murray,

please start calling your squalid little right wing rag the daily tory and be done with it.

thanks,

jonnyx
dear ian murray, please start calling your squalid little right wing rag the daily tory and be done with it. thanks, jonnyx jonnyx
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1:55pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Fieldbean says...

Smith is whinging, but the Tories certainly bought the PCC elections around the country. Simon Hayes never declared his 20011 Tory affiliation. Tories are just as bent. When Labour's cronnies take a slice of the cake Smith really can't cope with it.
Smith is whinging, but the Tories certainly bought the PCC elections around the country. Simon Hayes never declared his 20011 Tory affiliation. Tories are just as bent. When Labour's cronnies take a slice of the cake Smith really can't cope with it. Fieldbean
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1:56pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Private+I says...

I read with interest on Mr Ian Murray's twitter feed, a post dated 08/07/2012 – “BBC promoting Labour's points on banking slavishly on news tonight. They have thrown all balance and claim to impartiality into bin. Bias!”

This brings to mind an old saying about pots and kettles.

It’s blatantly clear from Mr Murray’s twitter, that he’s following the same old conservative line of bashing the BBC, labour and the unions.

It would be nice to see if the elected leader of the council would ever get the same column inches as the diminutive slaphe4d Mr Smith.
I read with interest on Mr Ian Murray's twitter feed, a post dated 08/07/2012 – “BBC promoting Labour's points on banking slavishly on news tonight. They have thrown all balance and claim to impartiality into bin. Bias!” This brings to mind an old saying about pots and kettles. It’s blatantly clear from Mr Murray’s twitter, that he’s following the same old conservative line of bashing the BBC, labour and the unions. It would be nice to see if the elected leader of the council would ever get the same column inches as the diminutive slaphe4d Mr Smith. Private+I
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2:01pm Tue 20 Nov 12

St Retford says...

This story asks a very sensible question. I think that after 30 years of anti-union legislation in which even Tony Blair went around boasting to the business world how proud he was that Britain had the most repressive anti-union laws in Europe, and with union membership now at an all time low thanks to a sustained drive to casualise the entire workforce, there can be no doubt that the unions have an iron grip on policy making across local government. I think this because I'm an unbelievably stupid idiot who believes the paranoid nonsense that comes out of the right wing press.
This story asks a very sensible question. I think that after 30 years of anti-union legislation in which even Tony Blair went around boasting to the business world how proud he was that Britain had the most repressive anti-union laws in Europe, and with union membership now at an all time low thanks to a sustained drive to casualise the entire workforce, there can be no doubt that the unions have an iron grip on policy making across local government. I think this because I'm an unbelievably stupid idiot who believes the paranoid nonsense that comes out of the right wing press. St Retford
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2:27pm Tue 20 Nov 12

100%HANTSBOY says...

MGRA wrote:
corruption. nothing new. Unions are only interested in one thing and so long as gullible members keep paying their subs, the leaders remain in their cushy lives taking the big free ride.....Thankfully for the union leaders, their members are mostly too stupid to realise they are "less equal" than their masters and have never read any George Orwell books.
They'll have plenty of time to read books when they are unemployed/on strike!

I like the way it says that the union reps sit in on meetings to help pre-empt any any future problems.....well they haven't done too well so far,have they?
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: corruption. nothing new. Unions are only interested in one thing and so long as gullible members keep paying their subs, the leaders remain in their cushy lives taking the big free ride.....Thankfully for the union leaders, their members are mostly too stupid to realise they are "less equal" than their masters and have never read any George Orwell books.[/p][/quote]They'll have plenty of time to read books when they are unemployed/on strike! I like the way it says that the union reps sit in on meetings to help pre-empt any any future problems.....well they haven't done too well so far,have they? 100%HANTSBOY
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2:34pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Lone Ranger. says...

As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda.
.
Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions.
.
Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader.
.
Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad
As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda. . Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions. . Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader. . Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad Lone Ranger.
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2:42pm Tue 20 Nov 12

southy says...

MGRA wrote:
corruption. nothing new. Unions are only interested in one thing and so long as gullible members keep paying their subs, the leaders remain in their cushy lives taking the big free ride.....Thankfully for the union leaders, their members are mostly too stupid to realise they are "less equal" than their masters and have never read any George Orwell books.
All of them, but its a case of under standing what Orwell was on about, and you do not realise what he is till you know what his politics was, Orwell was a Socialist and a party member.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: corruption. nothing new. Unions are only interested in one thing and so long as gullible members keep paying their subs, the leaders remain in their cushy lives taking the big free ride.....Thankfully for the union leaders, their members are mostly too stupid to realise they are "less equal" than their masters and have never read any George Orwell books.[/p][/quote]All of them, but its a case of under standing what Orwell was on about, and you do not realise what he is till you know what his politics was, Orwell was a Socialist and a party member. southy
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2:45pm Tue 20 Nov 12

southy says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda.
.
Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions.
.
Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader.
.
Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad
They all ways have been, talk to some of the press men and most will tell you, its a capitalist world in control
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda. . Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions. . Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader. . Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad[/p][/quote]They all ways have been, talk to some of the press men and most will tell you, its a capitalist world in control southy
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2:54pm Tue 20 Nov 12

SaintsBTGOG says...

Yes of course they are !

Nationally and locally Labours dinosaur bootboys are in control. They donate millions, so labour can be their puppets.

Basically labour lied and mislead Southampton voters to get back into power.
Yes of course they are ! Nationally and locally Labours dinosaur bootboys are in control. They donate millions, so labour can be their puppets. Basically labour lied and mislead Southampton voters to get back into power. SaintsBTGOG
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2:59pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda.
.
Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions.
.
Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader.
.
Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad
They all ways have been, talk to some of the press men and most will tell you, its a capitalist world in control
'capitalist world in control?'.

What the hell does that mean?

Do us a all a favour before you make a complete donut of yourself, put the pointy tin foil hat back until you can come up with something worth sending in. You sound like a 13 year old X-Files fan boy.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda. . Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions. . Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader. . Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad[/p][/quote]They all ways have been, talk to some of the press men and most will tell you, its a capitalist world in control[/p][/quote]'capitalist world in control?'. What the hell does that mean? Do us a all a favour before you make a complete donut of yourself, put the pointy tin foil hat back until you can come up with something worth sending in. You sound like a 13 year old X-Files fan boy. Shoong
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3:01pm Tue 20 Nov 12

andyfidler1966 says...

I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has!
To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.
I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities. andyfidler1966
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3:07pm Tue 20 Nov 12

misbehaving says...

it looks like all the people complaining about smith and the echo are really just annoted that anyrone is talking about it. not many say its untrue just smith is short or bald or the echo don like the BBC. The union money s the only money not cut. they are running labour cos they helped get them elceted and that is that. Every time you lose tha arguement of you dont like what in the echo or what smith says you get rude. Thats why noone takes you seriously.
it looks like all the people complaining about smith and the echo are really just annoted that anyrone is talking about it. not many say its untrue just smith is short or bald or the echo don like the BBC. The union money s the only money not cut. they are running labour cos they helped get them elceted and that is that. Every time you lose tha arguement of you dont like what in the echo or what smith says you get rude. Thats why noone takes you seriously. misbehaving
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3:07pm Tue 20 Nov 12

kingnotail says...

Compared to the rest of Europe, the unions here have essentially zero power. Any notion that they still do, is an archaic right-wing myth.
Compared to the rest of Europe, the unions here have essentially zero power. Any notion that they still do, is an archaic right-wing myth. kingnotail
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3:08pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Linesman says...

SaintsBTGOG wrote:
Yes of course they are !

Nationally and locally Labours dinosaur bootboys are in control. They donate millions, so labour can be their puppets.

Basically labour lied and mislead Southampton voters to get back into power.
Of course, the membership of the CBI has no political bias does it?
[quote][p][bold]SaintsBTGOG[/bold] wrote: Yes of course they are ! Nationally and locally Labours dinosaur bootboys are in control. They donate millions, so labour can be their puppets. Basically labour lied and mislead Southampton voters to get back into power.[/p][/quote]Of course, the membership of the CBI has no political bias does it? Linesman
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3:09pm Tue 20 Nov 12

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
MGRA wrote:
corruption. nothing new. Unions are only interested in one thing and so long as gullible members keep paying their subs, the leaders remain in their cushy lives taking the big free ride.....Thankfully for the union leaders, their members are mostly too stupid to realise they are "less equal" than their masters and have never read any George Orwell books.
All of them, but its a case of under standing what Orwell was on about, and you do not realise what he is till you know what his politics was, Orwell was a Socialist and a party member.
.. er, I think you will find that Orwell, having experienced the Stalinist atrocities on the Republican side of the Spanish Civil War (i.e. the suppression of the Anarcho-Syndicalists
, the non-Stalinist Communists and the Socialists) he became a member of the Independent Labour Party in the UK.

Socialist is perhaps a label you could pin on him in the sense that, had he lived, he would have been in the 50’s and 60’s on the far left of Old Labour. However, that is NOT Socialist as in your Socialist Party (England and Wales) – yet another Trotskyist front too ashamed to use the T word.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: corruption. nothing new. Unions are only interested in one thing and so long as gullible members keep paying their subs, the leaders remain in their cushy lives taking the big free ride.....Thankfully for the union leaders, their members are mostly too stupid to realise they are "less equal" than their masters and have never read any George Orwell books.[/p][/quote]All of them, but its a case of under standing what Orwell was on about, and you do not realise what he is till you know what his politics was, Orwell was a Socialist and a party member.[/p][/quote].. er, I think you will find that Orwell, having experienced the Stalinist atrocities on the Republican side of the Spanish Civil War (i.e. the suppression of the Anarcho-Syndicalists , the non-Stalinist Communists and the Socialists) he became a member of the Independent Labour Party in the UK. Socialist is perhaps a label you could pin on him in the sense that, had he lived, he would have been in the 50’s and 60’s on the far left of Old Labour. However, that is NOT Socialist as in your Socialist Party (England and Wales) – yet another Trotskyist front too ashamed to use the T word. freefinker
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3:12pm Tue 20 Nov 12

southy says...

andyfidler1966 wrote:
I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has!
To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.
Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late
[quote][p][bold]andyfidler1966[/bold] wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.[/p][/quote]Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late southy
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3:13pm Tue 20 Nov 12

aldermoorboy says...

Unions do more harm than good.
Vote Tory in 2014 to get rid of lying mob.
Unions do more harm than good. Vote Tory in 2014 to get rid of lying mob. aldermoorboy
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3:17pm Tue 20 Nov 12

rich the stitch says...

southy wrote:
andyfidler1966 wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.
Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late
Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it.
freefinker says...
7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12
rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing
So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up.
.. it's what I've been saying all along.

He made it up.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyfidler1966[/bold] wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.[/p][/quote]Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late[/p][/quote]Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it. freefinker says... 7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12 rich the stitch wrote: southy wrote: Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up. .. it's what I've been saying all along. He made it up. rich the stitch
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3:19pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Linesman says...

SaintsBTGOG wrote:
Yes of course they are !

Nationally and locally Labours dinosaur bootboys are in control. They donate millions, so labour can be their puppets.

Basically labour lied and mislead Southampton voters to get back into power.
OK. The Unions do fund the Labour Party. I don't deny it. The roots of the Labour Party and the Unions are interlinked.

That is all above board. We know where those funds come from.

Perhaps you would now inform us all where the Tory Party gets its funding.

It is not from the Unions. I think we would agree with that.

I seem to recall that there were a number of donors who live abroad, and that is where their money is, for tax avoidance purposes.

Was there not a Tory Party Chairman that took advantage of this?

How many members of the CBI make contributions to the Labour Party as compared to those who donate to the Tory Party?

Unions have to publish their accounts and those accounts show what political donations have been made.
[quote][p][bold]SaintsBTGOG[/bold] wrote: Yes of course they are ! Nationally and locally Labours dinosaur bootboys are in control. They donate millions, so labour can be their puppets. Basically labour lied and mislead Southampton voters to get back into power.[/p][/quote]OK. The Unions do fund the Labour Party. I don't deny it. The roots of the Labour Party and the Unions are interlinked. That is all above board. We know where those funds come from. Perhaps you would now inform us all where the Tory Party gets its funding. It is not from the Unions. I think we would agree with that. I seem to recall that there were a number of donors who live abroad, and that is where their money is, for tax avoidance purposes. Was there not a Tory Party Chairman that took advantage of this? How many members of the CBI make contributions to the Labour Party as compared to those who donate to the Tory Party? Unions have to publish their accounts and those accounts show what political donations have been made. Linesman
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3:25pm Tue 20 Nov 12

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
MGRA wrote:
corruption. nothing new. Unions are only interested in one thing and so long as gullible members keep paying their subs, the leaders remain in their cushy lives taking the big free ride.....Thankfully for the union leaders, their members are mostly too stupid to realise they are "less equal" than their masters and have never read any George Orwell books.
All of them, but its a case of under standing what Orwell was on about, and you do not realise what he is till you know what his politics was, Orwell was a Socialist and a party member.
.. er, I think you will find that Orwell, having experienced the Stalinist atrocities on the Republican side of the Spanish Civil War (i.e. the suppression of the Anarcho-Syndicalists

, the non-Stalinist Communists and the Socialists) he became a member of the Independent Labour Party in the UK.

Socialist is perhaps a label you could pin on him in the sense that, had he lived, he would have been in the 50’s and 60’s on the far left of Old Labour. However, that is NOT Socialist as in your Socialist Party (England and Wales) – yet another Trotskyist front too ashamed to use the T word.
The Franco / Hitler atrocities that Republican side you mean, there was no Stalinist on the Socialist Republican side in the Spanish Civil War, they hated him, they was your Leninist type Socialist.
Independent Labour Party was Socialist they later became the Independent Labour Publications then to the Militant and now the Socialist party
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: corruption. nothing new. Unions are only interested in one thing and so long as gullible members keep paying their subs, the leaders remain in their cushy lives taking the big free ride.....Thankfully for the union leaders, their members are mostly too stupid to realise they are "less equal" than their masters and have never read any George Orwell books.[/p][/quote]All of them, but its a case of under standing what Orwell was on about, and you do not realise what he is till you know what his politics was, Orwell was a Socialist and a party member.[/p][/quote].. er, I think you will find that Orwell, having experienced the Stalinist atrocities on the Republican side of the Spanish Civil War (i.e. the suppression of the Anarcho-Syndicalists , the non-Stalinist Communists and the Socialists) he became a member of the Independent Labour Party in the UK. Socialist is perhaps a label you could pin on him in the sense that, had he lived, he would have been in the 50’s and 60’s on the far left of Old Labour. However, that is NOT Socialist as in your Socialist Party (England and Wales) – yet another Trotskyist front too ashamed to use the T word.[/p][/quote]The Franco / Hitler atrocities that Republican side you mean, there was no Stalinist on the Socialist Republican side in the Spanish Civil War, they hated him, they was your Leninist type Socialist. Independent Labour Party was Socialist they later became the Independent Labour Publications then to the Militant and now the Socialist party southy
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3:28pm Tue 20 Nov 12

james47 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda.
.
Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions.
.
Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader.
.
Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad
Fair point; there is better stories to highlight, like how the current corrupt MP's like your boss Denham keep stuffing their pockets with taxpayers cash:

http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/news/10056896
.MP_defends_rent_exp
ense_claim/

Also, why is Denham not listing whom his landlord is? Funneling the money back to himself or some offshore company like Ken Livingstone possibly? Just curious......if he has nothing to hide then come clean....but we know he wont.....

http://www.channel4.
com/microsites/D/Dis
patches/FOI2012-A067
a-2012-11-19-AnnexA.
pdf
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda. . Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions. . Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader. . Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad[/p][/quote]Fair point; there is better stories to highlight, like how the current corrupt MP's like your boss Denham keep stuffing their pockets with taxpayers cash: http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/10056896 .MP_defends_rent_exp ense_claim/ Also, why is Denham not listing whom his landlord is? Funneling the money back to himself or some offshore company like Ken Livingstone possibly? Just curious......if he has nothing to hide then come clean....but we know he wont..... http://www.channel4. com/microsites/D/Dis patches/FOI2012-A067 a-2012-11-19-AnnexA. pdf james47
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3:31pm Tue 20 Nov 12

southy says...

rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
andyfidler1966 wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.
Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late
Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it.
freefinker says...
7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12
rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing
So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up.
.. it's what I've been saying all along.

He made it up.
Rich then why did Nick C attend the Council Chambers floor in the last 2 years and address them with an alteritive Budget "A Needs Budget"

"to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget" which is a program of action to be taken.
[quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyfidler1966[/bold] wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.[/p][/quote]Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late[/p][/quote]Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it. freefinker says... 7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12 rich the stitch wrote: southy wrote: Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up. .. it's what I've been saying all along. He made it up.[/p][/quote]Rich then why did Nick C attend the Council Chambers floor in the last 2 years and address them with an alteritive Budget "A Needs Budget" "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget" which is a program of action to be taken. southy
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3:40pm Tue 20 Nov 12

southy says...

james47 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda.
.
Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions.
.
Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader.
.
Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad
Fair point; there is better stories to highlight, like how the current corrupt MP's like your boss Denham keep stuffing their pockets with taxpayers cash:

http://www.dailyecho

.co.uk/news/10056896

.MP_defends_rent_exp

ense_claim/

Also, why is Denham not listing whom his landlord is? Funneling the money back to himself or some offshore company like Ken Livingstone possibly? Just curious......if he has nothing to hide then come clean....but we know he wont.....

http://www.channel4.

com/microsites/D/Dis

patches/FOI2012-A067

a-2012-11-19-AnnexA.

pdf
Better drop the Ken Livingstone part, Boris Johnson got proved that he was Mistaking about Ken Livingstone, Johnson accountant treble counted the figures by error, or so he says and it was proven the Living stone pays the full 33.3% tax to Johnson 22% tax
[quote][p][bold]james47[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda. . Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions. . Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader. . Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad[/p][/quote]Fair point; there is better stories to highlight, like how the current corrupt MP's like your boss Denham keep stuffing their pockets with taxpayers cash: http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/10056896 .MP_defends_rent_exp ense_claim/ Also, why is Denham not listing whom his landlord is? Funneling the money back to himself or some offshore company like Ken Livingstone possibly? Just curious......if he has nothing to hide then come clean....but we know he wont..... http://www.channel4. com/microsites/D/Dis patches/FOI2012-A067 a-2012-11-19-AnnexA. pdf[/p][/quote]Better drop the Ken Livingstone part, Boris Johnson got proved that he was Mistaking about Ken Livingstone, Johnson accountant treble counted the figures by error, or so he says and it was proven the Living stone pays the full 33.3% tax to Johnson 22% tax southy
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3:42pm Tue 20 Nov 12

peenut81 says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda.
.
Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions.
.
Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader.
.
Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad
They all ways have been, talk to some of the press men and most will tell you, its a capitalist world in control
'capitalist world in control?'.

What the hell does that mean?

Do us a all a favour before you make a complete donut of yourself, put the pointy tin foil hat back until you can come up with something worth sending in. You sound like a 13 year old X-Files fan boy.
Southy refers to the fact that as a system of social-economic and therefore political relations the world is defined by Capitalism (as opposed to feudal/theological or slavery for eg.). The means of production fell in line long ago, the establishment during the 19th century but the post war world and in particular the post 1989 world has seen every facet of our lives dictated and controlled by the framework capitalism provides.
You can see it on this forum all the time, an article about human misery is reduced to right wingers moaning about the cost (ie a reduction in profit) or they will emphasise their individual ability not to be effected (alienation caused by capitalism ), obsessions with consumerism and people defining their lives/identity by their sports team (a fetishism triggered by capitalism) are other examples. Really shoong your strength appears to be picking up other peoples faults yet it is clear you don't read much apart from this dirty right wing rag as jonny x so accurately defined it.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda. . Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions. . Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader. . Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad[/p][/quote]They all ways have been, talk to some of the press men and most will tell you, its a capitalist world in control[/p][/quote]'capitalist world in control?'. What the hell does that mean? Do us a all a favour before you make a complete donut of yourself, put the pointy tin foil hat back until you can come up with something worth sending in. You sound like a 13 year old X-Files fan boy.[/p][/quote]Southy refers to the fact that as a system of social-economic and therefore political relations the world is defined by Capitalism (as opposed to feudal/theological or slavery for eg.). The means of production fell in line long ago, the establishment during the 19th century but the post war world and in particular the post 1989 world has seen every facet of our lives dictated and controlled by the framework capitalism provides. You can see it on this forum all the time, an article about human misery is reduced to right wingers moaning about the cost (ie a reduction in profit) or they will emphasise their individual ability not to be effected (alienation caused by capitalism ), obsessions with consumerism and people defining their lives/identity by their sports team (a fetishism triggered by capitalism) are other examples. Really shoong your strength appears to be picking up other peoples faults yet it is clear you don't read much apart from this dirty right wing rag as jonny x so accurately defined it. peenut81
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3:44pm Tue 20 Nov 12

News Fanatic says...

SaintsBTGOG wrote:
Yes of course they are !

Nationally and locally Labours dinosaur bootboys are in control. They donate millions, so labour can be their puppets.

Basically labour lied and mislead Southampton voters to get back into power.
Do you honestly think that the likes of Lord Ashcroft and the captains of industry donate millions of pounds to the Tories for the love of it? Of course they are doing so for influence and so are the unions with Labour.
[quote][p][bold]SaintsBTGOG[/bold] wrote: Yes of course they are ! Nationally and locally Labours dinosaur bootboys are in control. They donate millions, so labour can be their puppets. Basically labour lied and mislead Southampton voters to get back into power.[/p][/quote]Do you honestly think that the likes of Lord Ashcroft and the captains of industry donate millions of pounds to the Tories for the love of it? Of course they are doing so for influence and so are the unions with Labour. News Fanatic
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3:47pm Tue 20 Nov 12

southy says...

peenut81 wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda.
.
Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions.
.
Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader.
.
Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad
They all ways have been, talk to some of the press men and most will tell you, its a capitalist world in control
'capitalist world in control?'.

What the hell does that mean?

Do us a all a favour before you make a complete donut of yourself, put the pointy tin foil hat back until you can come up with something worth sending in. You sound like a 13 year old X-Files fan boy.
Southy refers to the fact that as a system of social-economic and therefore political relations the world is defined by Capitalism (as opposed to feudal/theological or slavery for eg.). The means of production fell in line long ago, the establishment during the 19th century but the post war world and in particular the post 1989 world has seen every facet of our lives dictated and controlled by the framework capitalism provides.
You can see it on this forum all the time, an article about human misery is reduced to right wingers moaning about the cost (ie a reduction in profit) or they will emphasise their individual ability not to be effected (alienation caused by capitalism ), obsessions with consumerism and people defining their lives/identity by their sports team (a fetishism triggered by capitalism) are other examples. Really shoong your strength appears to be picking up other peoples faults yet it is clear you don't read much apart from this dirty right wing rag as jonny x so accurately defined it.
he just a stalker peenut81 that as not learned how to think for him self and have an independant thought.
[quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda. . Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions. . Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader. . Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad[/p][/quote]They all ways have been, talk to some of the press men and most will tell you, its a capitalist world in control[/p][/quote]'capitalist world in control?'. What the hell does that mean? Do us a all a favour before you make a complete donut of yourself, put the pointy tin foil hat back until you can come up with something worth sending in. You sound like a 13 year old X-Files fan boy.[/p][/quote]Southy refers to the fact that as a system of social-economic and therefore political relations the world is defined by Capitalism (as opposed to feudal/theological or slavery for eg.). The means of production fell in line long ago, the establishment during the 19th century but the post war world and in particular the post 1989 world has seen every facet of our lives dictated and controlled by the framework capitalism provides. You can see it on this forum all the time, an article about human misery is reduced to right wingers moaning about the cost (ie a reduction in profit) or they will emphasise their individual ability not to be effected (alienation caused by capitalism ), obsessions with consumerism and people defining their lives/identity by their sports team (a fetishism triggered by capitalism) are other examples. Really shoong your strength appears to be picking up other peoples faults yet it is clear you don't read much apart from this dirty right wing rag as jonny x so accurately defined it.[/p][/quote]he just a stalker peenut81 that as not learned how to think for him self and have an independant thought. southy
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3:59pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda.
.
Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions.
.
Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader.
.
Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad
They all ways have been, talk to some of the press men and most will tell you, its a capitalist world in control
'capitalist world in control?'.

What the hell does that mean?

Do us a all a favour before you make a complete donut of yourself, put the pointy tin foil hat back until you can come up with something worth sending in. You sound like a 13 year old X-Files fan boy.
Southy refers to the fact that as a system of social-economic and therefore political relations the world is defined by Capitalism (as opposed to feudal/theological or slavery for eg.). The means of production fell in line long ago, the establishment during the 19th century but the post war world and in particular the post 1989 world has seen every facet of our lives dictated and controlled by the framework capitalism provides.
You can see it on this forum all the time, an article about human misery is reduced to right wingers moaning about the cost (ie a reduction in profit) or they will emphasise their individual ability not to be effected (alienation caused by capitalism ), obsessions with consumerism and people defining their lives/identity by their sports team (a fetishism triggered by capitalism) are other examples. Really shoong your strength appears to be picking up other peoples faults yet it is clear you don't read much apart from this dirty right wing rag as jonny x so accurately defined it.
he just a stalker peenut81 that as not learned how to think for him self and have an independant thought.
You are both correct, of course. The internet does seem to attract the all the weirdos.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda. . Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions. . Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader. . Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad[/p][/quote]They all ways have been, talk to some of the press men and most will tell you, its a capitalist world in control[/p][/quote]'capitalist world in control?'. What the hell does that mean? Do us a all a favour before you make a complete donut of yourself, put the pointy tin foil hat back until you can come up with something worth sending in. You sound like a 13 year old X-Files fan boy.[/p][/quote]Southy refers to the fact that as a system of social-economic and therefore political relations the world is defined by Capitalism (as opposed to feudal/theological or slavery for eg.). The means of production fell in line long ago, the establishment during the 19th century but the post war world and in particular the post 1989 world has seen every facet of our lives dictated and controlled by the framework capitalism provides. You can see it on this forum all the time, an article about human misery is reduced to right wingers moaning about the cost (ie a reduction in profit) or they will emphasise their individual ability not to be effected (alienation caused by capitalism ), obsessions with consumerism and people defining their lives/identity by their sports team (a fetishism triggered by capitalism) are other examples. Really shoong your strength appears to be picking up other peoples faults yet it is clear you don't read much apart from this dirty right wing rag as jonny x so accurately defined it.[/p][/quote]he just a stalker peenut81 that as not learned how to think for him self and have an independant thought.[/p][/quote]You are both correct, of course. The internet does seem to attract the all the weirdos. Shoong
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4:00pm Tue 20 Nov 12

nedscrumpo says...

Does it matter/ Tory, Labour, Union...self-interes
t is the watchword fro them all.
Does it matter/ Tory, Labour, Union...self-interes t is the watchword fro them all. nedscrumpo
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4:02pm Tue 20 Nov 12

The Watcher says...

Good industrial relations and employee involvement works excellently in countries such as Germany. I see nothing wrong in involving employees and their representative bodies in mature discussions.
.
This Council was voted in with a considerable mandate from the electorate and Cllr Smith needs to understand that (as does The Echo!).
.
Rather than chirp unhelpful ly from the sidelines my party should be questioning why it was so comprehensively routed at the ballot box?
Good industrial relations and employee involvement works excellently in countries such as Germany. I see nothing wrong in involving employees and their representative bodies in mature discussions. . This Council was voted in with a considerable mandate from the electorate and Cllr Smith needs to understand that (as does The Echo!). . Rather than chirp unhelpful ly from the sidelines my party should be questioning why it was so comprehensively routed at the ballot box? The Watcher
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4:09pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Lone Ranger. says...

james47 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda.
.
Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions.
.
Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader.
.
Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad
Fair point; there is better stories to highlight, like how the current corrupt MP's like your boss Denham keep stuffing their pockets with taxpayers cash:

http://www.dailyecho

.co.uk/news/10056896

.MP_defends_rent_exp

ense_claim/

Also, why is Denham not listing whom his landlord is? Funneling the money back to himself or some offshore company like Ken Livingstone possibly? Just curious......if he has nothing to hide then come clean....but we know he wont.....

http://www.channel4.

com/microsites/D/Dis

patches/FOI2012-A067

a-2012-11-19-AnnexA.

pdf
Seems that you have lost your bottle and not repeated the "thief" allegation ... obviously frightened of the consequences are we.
.
It is a pity like so many other Tory Lemmings like yourself you seem to feel that only a Labour politician could be "guilty" of anything.
.
You obviously donr consider that your own Blue brigade are allegedly corrupt to the core and ridden with sleaze.
[quote][p][bold]james47[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda. . Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions. . Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader. . Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad[/p][/quote]Fair point; there is better stories to highlight, like how the current corrupt MP's like your boss Denham keep stuffing their pockets with taxpayers cash: http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/10056896 .MP_defends_rent_exp ense_claim/ Also, why is Denham not listing whom his landlord is? Funneling the money back to himself or some offshore company like Ken Livingstone possibly? Just curious......if he has nothing to hide then come clean....but we know he wont..... http://www.channel4. com/microsites/D/Dis patches/FOI2012-A067 a-2012-11-19-AnnexA. pdf[/p][/quote]Seems that you have lost your bottle and not repeated the "thief" allegation ... obviously frightened of the consequences are we. . It is a pity like so many other Tory Lemmings like yourself you seem to feel that only a Labour politician could be "guilty" of anything. . You obviously donr consider that your own Blue brigade are allegedly corrupt to the core and ridden with sleaze. Lone Ranger.
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4:26pm Tue 20 Nov 12

southy says...

The Watcher wrote:
Good industrial relations and employee involvement works excellently in countries such as Germany. I see nothing wrong in involving employees and their representative bodies in mature discussions.
.
This Council was voted in with a considerable mandate from the electorate and Cllr Smith needs to understand that (as does The Echo!).
.
Rather than chirp unhelpful ly from the sidelines my party should be questioning why it was so comprehensively routed at the ballot box?
First question you need to ask your self, How come the Torys gain control of the council 4 years ago, answer that one correctlly and it will give you the answer why they was routed at the ballox box this year and last year.
[quote][p][bold]The Watcher[/bold] wrote: Good industrial relations and employee involvement works excellently in countries such as Germany. I see nothing wrong in involving employees and their representative bodies in mature discussions. . This Council was voted in with a considerable mandate from the electorate and Cllr Smith needs to understand that (as does The Echo!). . Rather than chirp unhelpful ly from the sidelines my party should be questioning why it was so comprehensively routed at the ballot box?[/p][/quote]First question you need to ask your self, How come the Torys gain control of the council 4 years ago, answer that one correctlly and it will give you the answer why they was routed at the ballox box this year and last year. southy
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5:16pm Tue 20 Nov 12

rich the stitch says...

southy wrote:
rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
andyfidler1966 wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.
Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late
Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it. freefinker says... 7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12 rich the stitch wrote: southy wrote: Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up. .. it's what I've been saying all along. He made it up.
Rich then why did Nick C attend the Council Chambers floor in the last 2 years and address them with an alteritive Budget "A Needs Budget" "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget" which is a program of action to be taken.
No, that is the 3 words in a sentence. They are not put together to make the phrase 'Budget Needs Program'. There is no such thing.
Do you think that people who may possibly be interested in voting for your party would still want to do so after reading the complete rubbish you make up on here? I’m surprised they’ve not asked you to distance yourself from them. Just remind us, how many votes did you get?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyfidler1966[/bold] wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.[/p][/quote]Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late[/p][/quote]Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it. freefinker says... 7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12 rich the stitch wrote: southy wrote: Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up. .. it's what I've been saying all along. He made it up.[/p][/quote]Rich then why did Nick C attend the Council Chambers floor in the last 2 years and address them with an alteritive Budget "A Needs Budget" "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget" which is a program of action to be taken.[/p][/quote]No, that is the 3 words in a sentence. They are not put together to make the phrase 'Budget Needs Program'. There is no such thing. Do you think that people who may possibly be interested in voting for your party would still want to do so after reading the complete rubbish you make up on here? I’m surprised they’ve not asked you to distance yourself from them. Just remind us, how many votes did you get? rich the stitch
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5:37pm Tue 20 Nov 12

freefinker says...

rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
andyfidler1966 wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.
Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late
Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it. freefinker says... 7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12 rich the stitch wrote: southy wrote: Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up. .. it's what I've been saying all along. He made it up.
Rich then why did Nick C attend the Council Chambers floor in the last 2 years and address them with an alteritive Budget "A Needs Budget" "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget" which is a program of action to be taken.
No, that is the 3 words in a sentence. They are not put together to make the phrase 'Budget Needs Program'. There is no such thing.
Do you think that people who may possibly be interested in voting for your party would still want to do so after reading the complete rubbish you make up on here? I’m surprised they’ve not asked you to distance yourself from them. Just remind us, how many votes did you get?
.. quite agree.

southy, you should go back to the Denham story from yesterday for a complete debunk of both TUSC budget policy and your made up phrase, 'Needs Budget Program'. But you won't, will you? You don't want to know the truth.
[quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyfidler1966[/bold] wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.[/p][/quote]Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late[/p][/quote]Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it. freefinker says... 7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12 rich the stitch wrote: southy wrote: Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up. .. it's what I've been saying all along. He made it up.[/p][/quote]Rich then why did Nick C attend the Council Chambers floor in the last 2 years and address them with an alteritive Budget "A Needs Budget" "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget" which is a program of action to be taken.[/p][/quote]No, that is the 3 words in a sentence. They are not put together to make the phrase 'Budget Needs Program'. There is no such thing. Do you think that people who may possibly be interested in voting for your party would still want to do so after reading the complete rubbish you make up on here? I’m surprised they’ve not asked you to distance yourself from them. Just remind us, how many votes did you get?[/p][/quote].. quite agree. southy, you should go back to the Denham story from yesterday for a complete debunk of both TUSC budget policy and your made up phrase, 'Needs Budget Program'. But you won't, will you? You don't want to know the truth. freefinker
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5:44pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Cyber__Fug says...

rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
andyfidler1966 wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.
Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late
Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it. freefinker says... 7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12 rich the stitch wrote: southy wrote: Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up. .. it's what I've been saying all along. He made it up.
Rich then why did Nick C attend the Council Chambers floor in the last 2 years and address them with an alteritive Budget "A Needs Budget" "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget" which is a program of action to be taken.
No, that is the 3 words in a sentence. They are not put together to make the phrase 'Budget Needs Program'. There is no such thing.
Do you think that people who may possibly be interested in voting for your party would still want to do so after reading the complete rubbish you make up on here? I’m surprised they’ve not asked you to distance yourself from them. Just remind us, how many votes did you get?
Southy, we have been trying to tell you all along that there was no such thing as a "Needs Budget Program".... YOU were the one arguing that there was !!!! once again you have excelled in stupidity and are now trying to back track as you normally do !
[quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyfidler1966[/bold] wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.[/p][/quote]Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late[/p][/quote]Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it. freefinker says... 7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12 rich the stitch wrote: southy wrote: Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up. .. it's what I've been saying all along. He made it up.[/p][/quote]Rich then why did Nick C attend the Council Chambers floor in the last 2 years and address them with an alteritive Budget "A Needs Budget" "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget" which is a program of action to be taken.[/p][/quote]No, that is the 3 words in a sentence. They are not put together to make the phrase 'Budget Needs Program'. There is no such thing. Do you think that people who may possibly be interested in voting for your party would still want to do so after reading the complete rubbish you make up on here? I’m surprised they’ve not asked you to distance yourself from them. Just remind us, how many votes did you get?[/p][/quote]Southy, we have been trying to tell you all along that there was no such thing as a "Needs Budget Program".... YOU were the one arguing that there was !!!! once again you have excelled in stupidity and are now trying to back track as you normally do ! Cyber__Fug
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5:55pm Tue 20 Nov 12

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
MGRA wrote:
corruption. nothing new. Unions are only interested in one thing and so long as gullible members keep paying their subs, the leaders remain in their cushy lives taking the big free ride.....Thankfully for the union leaders, their members are mostly too stupid to realise they are "less equal" than their masters and have never read any George Orwell books.
All of them, but its a case of under standing what Orwell was on about, and you do not realise what he is till you know what his politics was, Orwell was a Socialist and a party member.
.. er, I think you will find that Orwell, having experienced the Stalinist atrocities on the Republican side of the Spanish Civil War (i.e. the suppression of the Anarcho-Syndicalists


, the non-Stalinist Communists and the Socialists) he became a member of the Independent Labour Party in the UK.

Socialist is perhaps a label you could pin on him in the sense that, had he lived, he would have been in the 50’s and 60’s on the far left of Old Labour. However, that is NOT Socialist as in your Socialist Party (England and Wales) – yet another Trotskyist front too ashamed to use the T word.
The Franco / Hitler atrocities that Republican side you mean, there was no Stalinist on the Socialist Republican side in the Spanish Civil War, they hated him, they was your Leninist type Socialist.
Independent Labour Party was Socialist they later became the Independent Labour Publications then to the Militant and now the Socialist party
.. southy, don't keep showing your ignorance.

The two sides in the SCW were the Republicans (those on the side of the legitimate government) and the Nationalists (the fascist rebels under Franco).

But, of course, the far left being what it is, various factions within the Republicans preferred to purge, fight and eliminate each other rather than fighting the real enemy – Franco and the Nationalists.

So, if I assume your almost undecipherable phrase “The Franco / Hitler atrocities that Republican side” to mean that Nazi/fascist protagonists were in fact Republicans, you are yet again revealing your lack of even basic knowledge of this conflict, your inability to have learnt the lessons that most on the far-left already have and your total failure to research the subject before posting.

So, par for the course then.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: corruption. nothing new. Unions are only interested in one thing and so long as gullible members keep paying their subs, the leaders remain in their cushy lives taking the big free ride.....Thankfully for the union leaders, their members are mostly too stupid to realise they are "less equal" than their masters and have never read any George Orwell books.[/p][/quote]All of them, but its a case of under standing what Orwell was on about, and you do not realise what he is till you know what his politics was, Orwell was a Socialist and a party member.[/p][/quote].. er, I think you will find that Orwell, having experienced the Stalinist atrocities on the Republican side of the Spanish Civil War (i.e. the suppression of the Anarcho-Syndicalists , the non-Stalinist Communists and the Socialists) he became a member of the Independent Labour Party in the UK. Socialist is perhaps a label you could pin on him in the sense that, had he lived, he would have been in the 50’s and 60’s on the far left of Old Labour. However, that is NOT Socialist as in your Socialist Party (England and Wales) – yet another Trotskyist front too ashamed to use the T word.[/p][/quote]The Franco / Hitler atrocities that Republican side you mean, there was no Stalinist on the Socialist Republican side in the Spanish Civil War, they hated him, they was your Leninist type Socialist. Independent Labour Party was Socialist they later became the Independent Labour Publications then to the Militant and now the Socialist party[/p][/quote].. southy, don't keep showing your ignorance. The two sides in the SCW were the Republicans (those on the side of the legitimate government) and the Nationalists (the fascist rebels under Franco). But, of course, the far left being what it is, various factions within the Republicans preferred to purge, fight and eliminate each other rather than fighting the real enemy – Franco and the Nationalists. So, if I assume your almost undecipherable phrase “The Franco / Hitler atrocities that Republican side” to mean that Nazi/fascist protagonists were in fact Republicans, you are yet again revealing your lack of even basic knowledge of this conflict, your inability to have learnt the lessons that most on the far-left already have and your total failure to research the subject before posting. So, par for the course then. freefinker
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5:59pm Tue 20 Nov 12

freefinker says...

Cyber__Fug wrote:
rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
andyfidler1966 wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.
Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late
Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it. freefinker says... 7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12 rich the stitch wrote: southy wrote: Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up. .. it's what I've been saying all along. He made it up.
Rich then why did Nick C attend the Council Chambers floor in the last 2 years and address them with an alteritive Budget "A Needs Budget" "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget" which is a program of action to be taken.
No, that is the 3 words in a sentence. They are not put together to make the phrase 'Budget Needs Program'. There is no such thing.
Do you think that people who may possibly be interested in voting for your party would still want to do so after reading the complete rubbish you make up on here? I’m surprised they’ve not asked you to distance yourself from them. Just remind us, how many votes did you get?
Southy, we have been trying to tell you all along that there was no such thing as a "Needs Budget Program".... YOU were the one arguing that there was !!!! once again you have excelled in stupidity and are now trying to back track as you normally do !
.. approaching the quality of the Rahit Maryada saga, me finks.
[quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyfidler1966[/bold] wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.[/p][/quote]Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late[/p][/quote]Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it. freefinker says... 7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12 rich the stitch wrote: southy wrote: Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up. .. it's what I've been saying all along. He made it up.[/p][/quote]Rich then why did Nick C attend the Council Chambers floor in the last 2 years and address them with an alteritive Budget "A Needs Budget" "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget" which is a program of action to be taken.[/p][/quote]No, that is the 3 words in a sentence. They are not put together to make the phrase 'Budget Needs Program'. There is no such thing. Do you think that people who may possibly be interested in voting for your party would still want to do so after reading the complete rubbish you make up on here? I’m surprised they’ve not asked you to distance yourself from them. Just remind us, how many votes did you get?[/p][/quote]Southy, we have been trying to tell you all along that there was no such thing as a "Needs Budget Program".... YOU were the one arguing that there was !!!! once again you have excelled in stupidity and are now trying to back track as you normally do ![/p][/quote].. approaching the quality of the Rahit Maryada saga, me finks. freefinker
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6:07pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Cyber__Fug says...

freefinker wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
andyfidler1966 wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.
Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late
Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it. freefinker says... 7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12 rich the stitch wrote: southy wrote: Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up. .. it's what I've been saying all along. He made it up.
Rich then why did Nick C attend the Council Chambers floor in the last 2 years and address them with an alteritive Budget "A Needs Budget" "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget" which is a program of action to be taken.
No, that is the 3 words in a sentence. They are not put together to make the phrase 'Budget Needs Program'. There is no such thing.
Do you think that people who may possibly be interested in voting for your party would still want to do so after reading the complete rubbish you make up on here? I’m surprised they’ve not asked you to distance yourself from them. Just remind us, how many votes did you get?
Southy, we have been trying to tell you all along that there was no such thing as a "Needs Budget Program".... YOU were the one arguing that there was !!!! once again you have excelled in stupidity and are now trying to back track as you normally do !
.. approaching the quality of the Rahit Maryada saga, me finks.
especially as he's got the non existent document bookmarked on his PC !!
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyfidler1966[/bold] wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.[/p][/quote]Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late[/p][/quote]Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it. freefinker says... 7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12 rich the stitch wrote: southy wrote: Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up. .. it's what I've been saying all along. He made it up.[/p][/quote]Rich then why did Nick C attend the Council Chambers floor in the last 2 years and address them with an alteritive Budget "A Needs Budget" "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget" which is a program of action to be taken.[/p][/quote]No, that is the 3 words in a sentence. They are not put together to make the phrase 'Budget Needs Program'. There is no such thing. Do you think that people who may possibly be interested in voting for your party would still want to do so after reading the complete rubbish you make up on here? I’m surprised they’ve not asked you to distance yourself from them. Just remind us, how many votes did you get?[/p][/quote]Southy, we have been trying to tell you all along that there was no such thing as a "Needs Budget Program".... YOU were the one arguing that there was !!!! once again you have excelled in stupidity and are now trying to back track as you normally do ![/p][/quote].. approaching the quality of the Rahit Maryada saga, me finks.[/p][/quote]especially as he's got the non existent document bookmarked on his PC !! Cyber__Fug
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6:10pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

It's not suprising that Labour are influnced by the unions, but this seems to go much further than that.

It doesnt seem appropriate to me.

Seemingly as ever with the lefties, everyone is equal, but some comrades are more equal than others.

Every worker should be given equal consideration, and access to consultation, policy should not be allowed to be dominated by protecting and feather bedding unions and their members.
It's not suprising that Labour are influnced by the unions, but this seems to go much further than that. It doesnt seem appropriate to me. Seemingly as ever with the lefties, everyone is equal, but some comrades are more equal than others. Every worker should be given equal consideration, and access to consultation, policy should not be allowed to be dominated by protecting and feather bedding unions and their members. Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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6:10pm Tue 20 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
"We voted in a Political Party to run this city...."

Nice to know that you voted Labour.

Would never have guessed from the way you idolise Royston Smith.
The "WE" meant the people of this city I for one would have rather voted for Southy than for the Lying Williams Party.
I also didn't vote for either Mates or the independent candidates.
I actually voted for UKIP as he has been a copper of one sort.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: "We voted in a Political Party to run this city...." Nice to know that you voted Labour. Would never have guessed from the way you idolise Royston Smith.[/p][/quote]The "WE" meant the people of this city I for one would have rather voted for Southy than for the Lying Williams Party. I also didn't vote for either Mates or the independent candidates. I actually voted for UKIP as he has been a copper of one sort. loosehead
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6:15pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

The unions shouldn't be allowed to cost the taxpayer a penny. We shouldnt be funding them, when it seems they are always acting in their own interests, which are always in line with the public and taxpayers interests.
The unions shouldn't be allowed to cost the taxpayer a penny. We shouldnt be funding them, when it seems they are always acting in their own interests, which are always in line with the public and taxpayers interests. Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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6:22pm Tue 20 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Right lets look at the facts shall we?
the Unions sat in on the decision making over Oaklands Swimming Pool,Next years budget,
Yet knew nothing about the Pool & were outraged,
New nothing about the Budget & again were outraged called a mass meeting ( 300 out of 4,000 turned up) decided to not buy the Echo why not?
No strikes why not?
blame the Government why?
Before the meeting where they voted on the councils proposal to stop industrial action it was passed I wonder Why?
Surely the Unions were in on this & set it up so was it not going to be passed?
They agreed to lower redundancy payments & lower Pensions & not taking legal action & then SURPRISE,SURPRISE Labour announced next years budget?
The Unions must have known at that vote what was in next years budget so why didn't they tell their members then?
Why or what were they promised?
They are now asking for enhanced severance pay/redundancy pay exactly what they have just voted to reduce & after they knew what was to come?
Williams couldn't tell OAP's about the budget but UINITE had already released it?
How any Left winger on here can dare defend any of Labour or the Unions actions I don't know.
Of course the Unions can block anything they don't like so we must take it they like next years budget?
So they must be happy if the Tory application for a grant for weekly collections fail will they still be happy when 1-10 go ( jobs)?
Right lets look at the facts shall we? the Unions sat in on the decision making over Oaklands Swimming Pool,Next years budget, Yet knew nothing about the Pool & were outraged, New nothing about the Budget & again were outraged called a mass meeting ( 300 out of 4,000 turned up) decided to not buy the Echo why not? No strikes why not? blame the Government why? Before the meeting where they voted on the councils proposal to stop industrial action it was passed I wonder Why? Surely the Unions were in on this & set it up so was it not going to be passed? They agreed to lower redundancy payments & lower Pensions & not taking legal action & then SURPRISE,SURPRISE Labour announced next years budget? The Unions must have known at that vote what was in next years budget so why didn't they tell their members then? Why or what were they promised? They are now asking for enhanced severance pay/redundancy pay exactly what they have just voted to reduce & after they knew what was to come? Williams couldn't tell OAP's about the budget but UINITE had already released it? How any Left winger on here can dare defend any of Labour or the Unions actions I don't know. Of course the Unions can block anything they don't like so we must take it they like next years budget? So they must be happy if the Tory application for a grant for weekly collections fail will they still be happy when 1-10 go ( jobs)? loosehead
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6:30pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Over the Edge says...

An urgent Council Cabinet meeting called for 5pm today to discuss whether the council act as the accountable body and accept £2 million pounds of funding next spring from the Regional Development agency, to assist in setting up small business's and to assist redundant Ford worker going self -employed,,,, list of atte.dees does not include any union representations, also on the agenda, Council budget proposal,,,, again not union rep in sight, consultation papers on the council budget sent out to Councillors and council partners in the city,,,,I suppose you could class the unions who represent council employees as partners, I received consultation papers through my employment in the 3rd/voluntary sector working in Southampton.

I do see a problem with asking people for their opinions regardless if they're union rep's or not
An urgent Council Cabinet meeting called for 5pm today to discuss whether the council act as the accountable body and accept £2 million pounds of funding next spring from the Regional Development agency, to assist in setting up small business's and to assist redundant Ford worker going self -employed,,,, list of atte.dees does not include any union representations, also on the agenda, Council budget proposal,,,, again not union rep in sight, consultation papers on the council budget sent out to Councillors and council partners in the city,,,,I suppose you could class the unions who represent council employees as partners, I received consultation papers through my employment in the 3rd/voluntary sector working in Southampton. I do see a problem with asking people for their opinions regardless if they're union rep's or not Over the Edge
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6:31pm Tue 20 Nov 12

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
MGRA wrote:
corruption. nothing new. Unions are only interested in one thing and so long as gullible members keep paying their subs, the leaders remain in their cushy lives taking the big free ride.....Thankfully for the union leaders, their members are mostly too stupid to realise they are "less equal" than their masters and have never read any George Orwell books.
All of them, but its a case of under standing what Orwell was on about, and you do not realise what he is till you know what his politics was, Orwell was a Socialist and a party member.
.. er, I think you will find that Orwell, having experienced the Stalinist atrocities on the Republican side of the Spanish Civil War (i.e. the suppression of the Anarcho-Syndicalists


, the non-Stalinist Communists and the Socialists) he became a member of the Independent Labour Party in the UK.

Socialist is perhaps a label you could pin on him in the sense that, had he lived, he would have been in the 50’s and 60’s on the far left of Old Labour. However, that is NOT Socialist as in your Socialist Party (England and Wales) – yet another Trotskyist front too ashamed to use the T word.
The Franco / Hitler atrocities that Republican side you mean, there was no Stalinist on the Socialist Republican side in the Spanish Civil War, they hated him, they was your Leninist type Socialist.
Independent Labour Party was Socialist they later became the Independent Labour Publications then to the Militant and now the Socialist party
.. oh, and southy, please, please don’t discredit the ILP with such made up rubbish.

The ILP was affiliated to the Labour Party from 1906 to 1932 when it left. In 1975 it did change itself into Independent Labour Publications, as you say, and under that name re-joined the Labour Party in that same year – where I believe it may well still be an affiliated member.

The ILP had and has no connection whatsoever with Militant. Militant, the ‘newspaper’, first published in 1964 and was the rag of the Revolutionary Socialist League, yet another entryist Trotskyist front that evolved in the 1970’s and 80’s into Militant Tendency.

I’d have thought someone as deeply indoctrinated into the far left as you would at least have got that right.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: corruption. nothing new. Unions are only interested in one thing and so long as gullible members keep paying their subs, the leaders remain in their cushy lives taking the big free ride.....Thankfully for the union leaders, their members are mostly too stupid to realise they are "less equal" than their masters and have never read any George Orwell books.[/p][/quote]All of them, but its a case of under standing what Orwell was on about, and you do not realise what he is till you know what his politics was, Orwell was a Socialist and a party member.[/p][/quote].. er, I think you will find that Orwell, having experienced the Stalinist atrocities on the Republican side of the Spanish Civil War (i.e. the suppression of the Anarcho-Syndicalists , the non-Stalinist Communists and the Socialists) he became a member of the Independent Labour Party in the UK. Socialist is perhaps a label you could pin on him in the sense that, had he lived, he would have been in the 50’s and 60’s on the far left of Old Labour. However, that is NOT Socialist as in your Socialist Party (England and Wales) – yet another Trotskyist front too ashamed to use the T word.[/p][/quote]The Franco / Hitler atrocities that Republican side you mean, there was no Stalinist on the Socialist Republican side in the Spanish Civil War, they hated him, they was your Leninist type Socialist. Independent Labour Party was Socialist they later became the Independent Labour Publications then to the Militant and now the Socialist party[/p][/quote].. oh, and southy, please, please don’t discredit the ILP with such made up rubbish. The ILP was affiliated to the Labour Party from 1906 to 1932 when it left. In 1975 it did change itself into Independent Labour Publications, as you say, and under that name re-joined the Labour Party in that same year – where I believe it may well still be an affiliated member. The ILP had and has no connection whatsoever with Militant. Militant, the ‘newspaper’, first published in 1964 and was the rag of the Revolutionary Socialist League, yet another entryist Trotskyist front that evolved in the 1970’s and 80’s into Militant Tendency. I’d have thought someone as deeply indoctrinated into the far left as you would at least have got that right. freefinker
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6:36pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Over the Edge says...

www.southampton.gov.
uk/moderngov/ieListD
ocuments.aspx?CId=12
6&MId=2572&Ver=4

Re; My previous post the link shows the proposal for the budget
www.southampton.gov. uk/moderngov/ieListD ocuments.aspx?CId=12 6&MId=2572&Ver=4 Re; My previous post the link shows the proposal for the budget Over the Edge
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6:37pm Tue 20 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Over the Edge wrote:
An urgent Council Cabinet meeting called for 5pm today to discuss whether the council act as the accountable body and accept £2 million pounds of funding next spring from the Regional Development agency, to assist in setting up small business's and to assist redundant Ford worker going self -employed,,,, list of atte.dees does not include any union representations, also on the agenda, Council budget proposal,,,, again not union rep in sight, consultation papers on the council budget sent out to Councillors and council partners in the city,,,,I suppose you could class the unions who represent council employees as partners, I received consultation papers through my employment in the 3rd/voluntary sector working in Southampton.

I do see a problem with asking people for their opinions regardless if they're union rep's or not
That would make the Unions & Southy out to be liars wouldn't it?
they both agreed they sit in on all Labour decisions or committees so your saying they don't?
Over the edge in certain countries they are not allowed to read any non state papers or get into trouble.
Do you think it was right of Tucker to say we will not buy the Echo?
Before the local elections I & many other Tory supporters could quite easily say the ECHO was Anti Tory but realised it was just a way to sell papers so how come this leader of men ( he's a joke) can't accept this?
[quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: An urgent Council Cabinet meeting called for 5pm today to discuss whether the council act as the accountable body and accept £2 million pounds of funding next spring from the Regional Development agency, to assist in setting up small business's and to assist redundant Ford worker going self -employed,,,, list of atte.dees does not include any union representations, also on the agenda, Council budget proposal,,,, again not union rep in sight, consultation papers on the council budget sent out to Councillors and council partners in the city,,,,I suppose you could class the unions who represent council employees as partners, I received consultation papers through my employment in the 3rd/voluntary sector working in Southampton. I do see a problem with asking people for their opinions regardless if they're union rep's or not[/p][/quote]That would make the Unions & Southy out to be liars wouldn't it? they both agreed they sit in on all Labour decisions or committees so your saying they don't? Over the edge in certain countries they are not allowed to read any non state papers or get into trouble. Do you think it was right of Tucker to say we will not buy the Echo? Before the local elections I & many other Tory supporters could quite easily say the ECHO was Anti Tory but realised it was just a way to sell papers so how come this leader of men ( he's a joke) can't accept this? loosehead
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6:40pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

Loosehead,
It seems crazy

Surely there is a conflict of interest here that any council worker who is not in a union should be worried about

It is time for ALL the council workers to join the unions, and for the workers to vote down those who wish for strikes, and to kick out any leaders who seem to prioritise political aims over the job security of the work force.

It seems clear to me who had the best interests of the workers and residents at heart, and that was the previous conservative council.

It would have been much better for everyone to have had a small pay cut, than have the service cuts, job losses, and wasted money in redundancy payouts that are resulting from from the decisions of this labour council

It is such a shame that so many people are ideologically opposed to the conservatives without understanding their policies, or the lack of sustainability of labour and union policies. They will sadly suffer because of it, as the effects of labour's approach bite. It was completely obvious that those working towards a labour council via union discontent etc would be turkeys voting for Christmas, yet how is it possible to get these people to understand?

More of the council workers who had the sense not to vote in favour of strikes need to have the courage to actually vote against next time.

There will be so many families who suffer because of jobs lost unnecessarily by labour. So many residents who lose services they rely upon because labour are not brave enough to take the tough decisions.
Loosehead, It seems crazy Surely there is a conflict of interest here that any council worker who is not in a union should be worried about It is time for ALL the council workers to join the unions, and for the workers to vote down those who wish for strikes, and to kick out any leaders who seem to prioritise political aims over the job security of the work force. It seems clear to me who had the best interests of the workers and residents at heart, and that was the previous conservative council. It would have been much better for everyone to have had a small pay cut, than have the service cuts, job losses, and wasted money in redundancy payouts that are resulting from from the decisions of this labour council It is such a shame that so many people are ideologically opposed to the conservatives without understanding their policies, or the lack of sustainability of labour and union policies. They will sadly suffer because of it, as the effects of labour's approach bite. It was completely obvious that those working towards a labour council via union discontent etc would be turkeys voting for Christmas, yet how is it possible to get these people to understand? More of the council workers who had the sense not to vote in favour of strikes need to have the courage to actually vote against next time. There will be so many families who suffer because of jobs lost unnecessarily by labour. So many residents who lose services they rely upon because labour are not brave enough to take the tough decisions. Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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6:47pm Tue 20 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Sotonians_lets_pull_
together
wrote:
Loosehead,
It seems crazy

Surely there is a conflict of interest here that any council worker who is not in a union should be worried about

It is time for ALL the council workers to join the unions, and for the workers to vote down those who wish for strikes, and to kick out any leaders who seem to prioritise political aims over the job security of the work force.

It seems clear to me who had the best interests of the workers and residents at heart, and that was the previous conservative council.

It would have been much better for everyone to have had a small pay cut, than have the service cuts, job losses, and wasted money in redundancy payouts that are resulting from from the decisions of this labour council

It is such a shame that so many people are ideologically opposed to the conservatives without understanding their policies, or the lack of sustainability of labour and union policies. They will sadly suffer because of it, as the effects of labour's approach bite. It was completely obvious that those working towards a labour council via union discontent etc would be turkeys voting for Christmas, yet how is it possible to get these people to understand?

More of the council workers who had the sense not to vote in favour of strikes need to have the courage to actually vote against next time.

There will be so many families who suffer because of jobs lost unnecessarily by labour. So many residents who lose services they rely upon because labour are not brave enough to take the tough decisions.
Yes but Tucker & his Unite mate are getting their pay restored.
Now we know why the two Unions took a vote to stop buying the Echo they knew the truth would come out.
They hope that their members wouldn't realise how the Unions have used them.
Why is it only 300 union members & thats both Unions put together voted why not all members?
Talking to the bulk of them they don't trust the Unions or Labour.
[quote][p][bold]Sotonians_lets_pull_ together[/bold] wrote: Loosehead, It seems crazy Surely there is a conflict of interest here that any council worker who is not in a union should be worried about It is time for ALL the council workers to join the unions, and for the workers to vote down those who wish for strikes, and to kick out any leaders who seem to prioritise political aims over the job security of the work force. It seems clear to me who had the best interests of the workers and residents at heart, and that was the previous conservative council. It would have been much better for everyone to have had a small pay cut, than have the service cuts, job losses, and wasted money in redundancy payouts that are resulting from from the decisions of this labour council It is such a shame that so many people are ideologically opposed to the conservatives without understanding their policies, or the lack of sustainability of labour and union policies. They will sadly suffer because of it, as the effects of labour's approach bite. It was completely obvious that those working towards a labour council via union discontent etc would be turkeys voting for Christmas, yet how is it possible to get these people to understand? More of the council workers who had the sense not to vote in favour of strikes need to have the courage to actually vote against next time. There will be so many families who suffer because of jobs lost unnecessarily by labour. So many residents who lose services they rely upon because labour are not brave enough to take the tough decisions.[/p][/quote]Yes but Tucker & his Unite mate are getting their pay restored. Now we know why the two Unions took a vote to stop buying the Echo they knew the truth would come out. They hope that their members wouldn't realise how the Unions have used them. Why is it only 300 union members & thats both Unions put together voted why not all members? Talking to the bulk of them they don't trust the Unions or Labour. loosehead
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6:57pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

Loosehead,
That's just it, the massive majority of moderates within the unions need to stand up for themselves and take back their unions, seeing what has happened, they should call for votes of confidence in their leaders, seek to remove them, and put in place moderate leaders and reps that they can trust to negotiate effectively with whatever party is in power, not choose people who will simply operate as ideological agents of council regime change allied with Labour.
The conservatives should be recommending that EVERYONE joins the unions in their workplaces. Unions should not be abandoned to be run by the hard left, members should feel confident that they can vote down strikes and vote out militant reps without fearing repercussions.
I am not against unions having a degree of power, there needs to be a reasonable counterbalance to the power of employers, but we need to see that power intelligently used by people who understand both political and economic reality, and the implications of their actions.

There is no value in having labour controlling the unions, and vice versa, as you end up in a death spiral of excessive taxing and excessive spending which we have seen too often over the decades whenever labour get in power.
Loosehead, That's just it, the massive majority of moderates within the unions need to stand up for themselves and take back their unions, seeing what has happened, they should call for votes of confidence in their leaders, seek to remove them, and put in place moderate leaders and reps that they can trust to negotiate effectively with whatever party is in power, not choose people who will simply operate as ideological agents of council regime change allied with Labour. The conservatives should be recommending that EVERYONE joins the unions in their workplaces. Unions should not be abandoned to be run by the hard left, members should feel confident that they can vote down strikes and vote out militant reps without fearing repercussions. I am not against unions having a degree of power, there needs to be a reasonable counterbalance to the power of employers, but we need to see that power intelligently used by people who understand both political and economic reality, and the implications of their actions. There is no value in having labour controlling the unions, and vice versa, as you end up in a death spiral of excessive taxing and excessive spending which we have seen too often over the decades whenever labour get in power. Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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7:08pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Over the Edge says...

loosehead wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
An urgent Council Cabinet meeting called for 5pm today to discuss whether the council act as the accountable body and accept £2 million pounds of funding next spring from the Regional Development agency, to assist in setting up small business's and to assist redundant Ford worker going self -employed,,,, list of atte.dees does not include any union representations, also on the agenda, Council budget proposal,,,, again not union rep in sight, consultation papers on the council budget sent out to Councillors and council partners in the city,,,,I suppose you could class the unions who represent council employees as partners, I received consultation papers through my employment in the 3rd/voluntary sector working in Southampton.

I do see a problem with asking people for their opinions regardless if they're union rep's or not
That would make the Unions & Southy out to be liars wouldn't it?
they both agreed they sit in on all Labour decisions or committees so your saying they don't?
Over the edge in certain countries they are not allowed to read any non state papers or get into trouble.
Do you think it was right of Tucker to say we will not buy the Echo?
Before the local elections I & many other Tory supporters could quite easily say the ECHO was Anti Tory but realised it was just a way to sell papers so how come this leader of men ( he's a joke) can't accept this?
The Echo worked in partnership with the council to obtain the grant,,,,£2 million into the council coffers to help people set up small business's and go self-employed even ex council workers and Fords workers,,,Tucker is a tw@t,,,,bad news sells papers locally and nationally,,,I read on line and have the Echo delivered everyday,,,,no one will tell me or my family what we read,,,its called freedom of choice,,,I am union member,,,and a non Tory supporter
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: An urgent Council Cabinet meeting called for 5pm today to discuss whether the council act as the accountable body and accept £2 million pounds of funding next spring from the Regional Development agency, to assist in setting up small business's and to assist redundant Ford worker going self -employed,,,, list of atte.dees does not include any union representations, also on the agenda, Council budget proposal,,,, again not union rep in sight, consultation papers on the council budget sent out to Councillors and council partners in the city,,,,I suppose you could class the unions who represent council employees as partners, I received consultation papers through my employment in the 3rd/voluntary sector working in Southampton. I do see a problem with asking people for their opinions regardless if they're union rep's or not[/p][/quote]That would make the Unions & Southy out to be liars wouldn't it? they both agreed they sit in on all Labour decisions or committees so your saying they don't? Over the edge in certain countries they are not allowed to read any non state papers or get into trouble. Do you think it was right of Tucker to say we will not buy the Echo? Before the local elections I & many other Tory supporters could quite easily say the ECHO was Anti Tory but realised it was just a way to sell papers so how come this leader of men ( he's a joke) can't accept this?[/p][/quote]The Echo worked in partnership with the council to obtain the grant,,,,£2 million into the council coffers to help people set up small business's and go self-employed even ex council workers and Fords workers,,,Tucker is a tw@t,,,,bad news sells papers locally and nationally,,,I read on line and have the Echo delivered everyday,,,,no one will tell me or my family what we read,,,its called freedom of choice,,,I am union member,,,and a non Tory supporter Over the Edge
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7:24pm Tue 20 Nov 12

skin2000 says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda.
.
Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions.
.
Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader.
.
Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad
They all ways have been, talk to some of the press men and most will tell you, its a capitalist world in control
'capitalist world in control?'.

What the hell does that mean?

Do us a all a favour before you make a complete donut of yourself, put the pointy tin foil hat back until you can come up with something worth sending in. You sound like a 13 year old X-Files fan boy.
Southy refers to the fact that as a system of social-economic and therefore political relations the world is defined by Capitalism (as opposed to feudal/theological or slavery for eg.). The means of production fell in line long ago, the establishment during the 19th century but the post war world and in particular the post 1989 world has seen every facet of our lives dictated and controlled by the framework capitalism provides.
You can see it on this forum all the time, an article about human misery is reduced to right wingers moaning about the cost (ie a reduction in profit) or they will emphasise their individual ability not to be effected (alienation caused by capitalism ), obsessions with consumerism and people defining their lives/identity by their sports team (a fetishism triggered by capitalism) are other examples. Really shoong your strength appears to be picking up other peoples faults yet it is clear you don't read much apart from this dirty right wing rag as jonny x so accurately defined it.
he just a stalker peenut81 that as not learned how to think for him self and have an independant thought.
You are both correct, of course. The internet does seem to attract the all the weirdos.
Reading these posts...It is like an episode of 'TIll death do us part'....With Shoong playing the roll of Alf Garnett.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda. . Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions. . Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader. . Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad[/p][/quote]They all ways have been, talk to some of the press men and most will tell you, its a capitalist world in control[/p][/quote]'capitalist world in control?'. What the hell does that mean? Do us a all a favour before you make a complete donut of yourself, put the pointy tin foil hat back until you can come up with something worth sending in. You sound like a 13 year old X-Files fan boy.[/p][/quote]Southy refers to the fact that as a system of social-economic and therefore political relations the world is defined by Capitalism (as opposed to feudal/theological or slavery for eg.). The means of production fell in line long ago, the establishment during the 19th century but the post war world and in particular the post 1989 world has seen every facet of our lives dictated and controlled by the framework capitalism provides. You can see it on this forum all the time, an article about human misery is reduced to right wingers moaning about the cost (ie a reduction in profit) or they will emphasise their individual ability not to be effected (alienation caused by capitalism ), obsessions with consumerism and people defining their lives/identity by their sports team (a fetishism triggered by capitalism) are other examples. Really shoong your strength appears to be picking up other peoples faults yet it is clear you don't read much apart from this dirty right wing rag as jonny x so accurately defined it.[/p][/quote]he just a stalker peenut81 that as not learned how to think for him self and have an independant thought.[/p][/quote]You are both correct, of course. The internet does seem to attract the all the weirdos.[/p][/quote]Reading these posts...It is like an episode of 'TIll death do us part'....With Shoong playing the roll of Alf Garnett. skin2000
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7:52pm Tue 20 Nov 12

rich the stitch says...

Southy has been backed in to a corner and gone again. What a sad, sad little man.
Southy has been backed in to a corner and gone again. What a sad, sad little man. rich the stitch
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8:04pm Tue 20 Nov 12

G-man1 says...

So what if the unions run the council. I`m a fan of David Icke and according to him we are being ruled by a race of shape changing alien lizards. Surely that is worse?

When will the Echo be brave enough to publish the truth about this?
So what if the unions run the council. I`m a fan of David Icke and according to him we are being ruled by a race of shape changing alien lizards. Surely that is worse? When will the Echo be brave enough to publish the truth about this? G-man1
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8:05pm Tue 20 Nov 12

southy says...

Cyber__Fug wrote:
rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
andyfidler1966 wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.
Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late
Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it. freefinker says... 7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12 rich the stitch wrote: southy wrote: Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up. .. it's what I've been saying all along. He made it up.
Rich then why did Nick C attend the Council Chambers floor in the last 2 years and address them with an alteritive Budget "A Needs Budget" "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget" which is a program of action to be taken.
No, that is the 3 words in a sentence. They are not put together to make the phrase 'Budget Needs Program'. There is no such thing.
Do you think that people who may possibly be interested in voting for your party would still want to do so after reading the complete rubbish you make up on here? I’m surprised they’ve not asked you to distance yourself from them. Just remind us, how many votes did you get?
Southy, we have been trying to tell you all along that there was no such thing as a "Needs Budget Program".... YOU were the one arguing that there was !!!! once again you have excelled in stupidity and are now trying to back track as you normally do !
You just do not have a clue do you, things can be siad in many ways and still mean the same thing.
A Needs Budget Program is a Needs Budget it is budget that meets the needs of the local community, they all mean the same.

I take it takes all 3 of you to change 1 light bulb.
[quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyfidler1966[/bold] wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.[/p][/quote]Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late[/p][/quote]Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it. freefinker says... 7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12 rich the stitch wrote: southy wrote: Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up. .. it's what I've been saying all along. He made it up.[/p][/quote]Rich then why did Nick C attend the Council Chambers floor in the last 2 years and address them with an alteritive Budget "A Needs Budget" "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget" which is a program of action to be taken.[/p][/quote]No, that is the 3 words in a sentence. They are not put together to make the phrase 'Budget Needs Program'. There is no such thing. Do you think that people who may possibly be interested in voting for your party would still want to do so after reading the complete rubbish you make up on here? I’m surprised they’ve not asked you to distance yourself from them. Just remind us, how many votes did you get?[/p][/quote]Southy, we have been trying to tell you all along that there was no such thing as a "Needs Budget Program".... YOU were the one arguing that there was !!!! once again you have excelled in stupidity and are now trying to back track as you normally do ![/p][/quote]You just do not have a clue do you, things can be siad in many ways and still mean the same thing. A Needs Budget Program is a Needs Budget it is budget that meets the needs of the local community, they all mean the same. I take it takes all 3 of you to change 1 light bulb. southy
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8:16pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Lone Ranger. says...

Sotonians_lets_pull_
together
wrote:
The unions shouldn't be allowed to cost the taxpayer a penny. We shouldnt be funding them, when it seems they are always acting in their own interests, which are always in line with the public and taxpayers interests.
But its ok to fund and finance supporters of the Tory party is it ??
[quote][p][bold]Sotonians_lets_pull_ together[/bold] wrote: The unions shouldn't be allowed to cost the taxpayer a penny. We shouldnt be funding them, when it seems they are always acting in their own interests, which are always in line with the public and taxpayers interests.[/p][/quote]But its ok to fund and finance supporters of the Tory party is it ?? Lone Ranger.
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8:25pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Sotonians_lets_pull_together says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Sotonians_lets_pull_

together
wrote:
The unions shouldn't be allowed to cost the taxpayer a penny. We shouldnt be funding them, when it seems they are always acting in their own interests, which are always in line with the public and taxpayers interests.
But its ok to fund and finance supporters of the Tory party is it ??
Lone Ranger,

Unions shouldnt be able to dip their hands into the public purse to be financed, particularly when they do not seem to be working in the interests of the taxpayer, or even the entireity of their membership

If workers choose to give a proportion of their pay to a political party or union, that is up to them, but they should be able to choose who and where it goes to, and the amount.

I do not believe it is reasonable to have union officials funded by employers, particularly when the employer is the state.

It is sickening to see unions leaders being paid a fortune yet seeing Labour and the Unions putting in place policies which lead to job losses, some of which could have been prevented if they had all collectively taken a small pay cut.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sotonians_lets_pull_ together[/bold] wrote: The unions shouldn't be allowed to cost the taxpayer a penny. We shouldnt be funding them, when it seems they are always acting in their own interests, which are always in line with the public and taxpayers interests.[/p][/quote]But its ok to fund and finance supporters of the Tory party is it ??[/p][/quote]Lone Ranger, Unions shouldnt be able to dip their hands into the public purse to be financed, particularly when they do not seem to be working in the interests of the taxpayer, or even the entireity of their membership If workers choose to give a proportion of their pay to a political party or union, that is up to them, but they should be able to choose who and where it goes to, and the amount. I do not believe it is reasonable to have union officials funded by employers, particularly when the employer is the state. It is sickening to see unions leaders being paid a fortune yet seeing Labour and the Unions putting in place policies which lead to job losses, some of which could have been prevented if they had all collectively taken a small pay cut. Sotonians_lets_pull_together
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8:27pm Tue 20 Nov 12

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
MGRA wrote:
corruption. nothing new. Unions are only interested in one thing and so long as gullible members keep paying their subs, the leaders remain in their cushy lives taking the big free ride.....Thankfully for the union leaders, their members are mostly too stupid to realise they are "less equal" than their masters and have never read any George Orwell books.
All of them, but its a case of under standing what Orwell was on about, and you do not realise what he is till you know what his politics was, Orwell was a Socialist and a party member.
.. er, I think you will find that Orwell, having experienced the Stalinist atrocities on the Republican side of the Spanish Civil War (i.e. the suppression of the Anarcho-Syndicalists



, the non-Stalinist Communists and the Socialists) he became a member of the Independent Labour Party in the UK.

Socialist is perhaps a label you could pin on him in the sense that, had he lived, he would have been in the 50’s and 60’s on the far left of Old Labour. However, that is NOT Socialist as in your Socialist Party (England and Wales) – yet another Trotskyist front too ashamed to use the T word.
The Franco / Hitler atrocities that Republican side you mean, there was no Stalinist on the Socialist Republican side in the Spanish Civil War, they hated him, they was your Leninist type Socialist.
Independent Labour Party was Socialist they later became the Independent Labour Publications then to the Militant and now the Socialist party
.. oh, and southy, please, please don’t discredit the ILP with such made up rubbish.

The ILP was affiliated to the Labour Party from 1906 to 1932 when it left. In 1975 it did change itself into Independent Labour Publications, as you say, and under that name re-joined the Labour Party in that same year – where I believe it may well still be an affiliated member.

The ILP had and has no connection whatsoever with Militant. Militant, the ‘newspaper’, first published in 1964 and was the rag of the Revolutionary Socialist League, yet another entryist Trotskyist front that evolved in the 1970’s and 80’s into Militant Tendency.

I’d have thought someone as deeply indoctrinated into the far left as you would at least have got that right.
They had every connections with Militant, many of the older Militant members was part of the ILP, when the ILP left Labour, you find all the smaller left wing groups was Connected, the ILP was part of the Revolutionary Socialist League, and even today the ILP still remains connected the the SP, the ILP still turns up at the SPC every year.
And I am not far left I am Center to Left and thats is where the SP stands as a whole.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: corruption. nothing new. Unions are only interested in one thing and so long as gullible members keep paying their subs, the leaders remain in their cushy lives taking the big free ride.....Thankfully for the union leaders, their members are mostly too stupid to realise they are "less equal" than their masters and have never read any George Orwell books.[/p][/quote]All of them, but its a case of under standing what Orwell was on about, and you do not realise what he is till you know what his politics was, Orwell was a Socialist and a party member.[/p][/quote].. er, I think you will find that Orwell, having experienced the Stalinist atrocities on the Republican side of the Spanish Civil War (i.e. the suppression of the Anarcho-Syndicalists , the non-Stalinist Communists and the Socialists) he became a member of the Independent Labour Party in the UK. Socialist is perhaps a label you could pin on him in the sense that, had he lived, he would have been in the 50’s and 60’s on the far left of Old Labour. However, that is NOT Socialist as in your Socialist Party (England and Wales) – yet another Trotskyist front too ashamed to use the T word.[/p][/quote]The Franco / Hitler atrocities that Republican side you mean, there was no Stalinist on the Socialist Republican side in the Spanish Civil War, they hated him, they was your Leninist type Socialist. Independent Labour Party was Socialist they later became the Independent Labour Publications then to the Militant and now the Socialist party[/p][/quote].. oh, and southy, please, please don’t discredit the ILP with such made up rubbish. The ILP was affiliated to the Labour Party from 1906 to 1932 when it left. In 1975 it did change itself into Independent Labour Publications, as you say, and under that name re-joined the Labour Party in that same year – where I believe it may well still be an affiliated member. The ILP had and has no connection whatsoever with Militant. Militant, the ‘newspaper’, first published in 1964 and was the rag of the Revolutionary Socialist League, yet another entryist Trotskyist front that evolved in the 1970’s and 80’s into Militant Tendency. I’d have thought someone as deeply indoctrinated into the far left as you would at least have got that right.[/p][/quote]They had every connections with Militant, many of the older Militant members was part of the ILP, when the ILP left Labour, you find all the smaller left wing groups was Connected, the ILP was part of the Revolutionary Socialist League, and even today the ILP still remains connected the the SP, the ILP still turns up at the SPC every year. And I am not far left I am Center to Left and thats is where the SP stands as a whole. southy
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8:44pm Tue 20 Nov 12

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
"We voted in a Political Party to run this city...."

Nice to know that you voted Labour.

Would never have guessed from the way you idolise Royston Smith.
The "WE" meant the people of this city I for one would have rather voted for Southy than for the Lying Williams Party.
I also didn't vote for either Mates or the independent candidates.
I actually voted for UKIP as he has been a copper of one sort.
Loose at the moment Tucker and co are fighting to stop its members from supporting the TUSC, Woodland is now worried about it to after the Labour council budget and the number of job losses that are on the cards.
You should of seen the letter that was sent out to Unison members, about the support to don and keith over there actions, and yet the TUSC who was all ready supportting Don and Keith actions condemed the TUSC and do not support the TUSC over the matter, many of Unison members I have spoken to think Tucker as lost the plot, and wanted to know how can you support Don and Keith but not the TUSC who are all fighting in the same corner.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: "We voted in a Political Party to run this city...." Nice to know that you voted Labour. Would never have guessed from the way you idolise Royston Smith.[/p][/quote]The "WE" meant the people of this city I for one would have rather voted for Southy than for the Lying Williams Party. I also didn't vote for either Mates or the independent candidates. I actually voted for UKIP as he has been a copper of one sort.[/p][/quote]Loose at the moment Tucker and co are fighting to stop its members from supporting the TUSC, Woodland is now worried about it to after the Labour council budget and the number of job losses that are on the cards. You should of seen the letter that was sent out to Unison members, about the support to don and keith over there actions, and yet the TUSC who was all ready supportting Don and Keith actions condemed the TUSC and do not support the TUSC over the matter, many of Unison members I have spoken to think Tucker as lost the plot, and wanted to know how can you support Don and Keith but not the TUSC who are all fighting in the same corner. southy
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8:45pm Tue 20 Nov 12

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
MGRA wrote:
corruption. nothing new. Unions are only interested in one thing and so long as gullible members keep paying their subs, the leaders remain in their cushy lives taking the big free ride.....Thankfully for the union leaders, their members are mostly too stupid to realise they are "less equal" than their masters and have never read any George Orwell books.
All of them, but its a case of under standing what Orwell was on about, and you do not realise what he is till you know what his politics was, Orwell was a Socialist and a party member.
.. er, I think you will find that Orwell, having experienced the Stalinist atrocities on the Republican side of the Spanish Civil War (i.e. the suppression of the Anarcho-Syndicalists




, the non-Stalinist Communists and the Socialists) he became a member of the Independent Labour Party in the UK.

Socialist is perhaps a label you could pin on him in the sense that, had he lived, he would have been in the 50’s and 60’s on the far left of Old Labour. However, that is NOT Socialist as in your Socialist Party (England and Wales) – yet another Trotskyist front too ashamed to use the T word.
The Franco / Hitler atrocities that Republican side you mean, there was no Stalinist on the Socialist Republican side in the Spanish Civil War, they hated him, they was your Leninist type Socialist.
Independent Labour Party was Socialist they later became the Independent Labour Publications then to the Militant and now the Socialist party
.. oh, and southy, please, please don’t discredit the ILP with such made up rubbish.

The ILP was affiliated to the Labour Party from 1906 to 1932 when it left. In 1975 it did change itself into Independent Labour Publications, as you say, and under that name re-joined the Labour Party in that same year – where I believe it may well still be an affiliated member.

The ILP had and has no connection whatsoever with Militant. Militant, the ‘newspaper’, first published in 1964 and was the rag of the Revolutionary Socialist League, yet another entryist Trotskyist front that evolved in the 1970’s and 80’s into Militant Tendency.

I’d have thought someone as deeply indoctrinated into the far left as you would at least have got that right.
They had every connections with Militant, many of the older Militant members was part of the ILP, when the ILP left Labour, you find all the smaller left wing groups was Connected, the ILP was part of the Revolutionary Socialist League, and even today the ILP still remains connected the the SP, the ILP still turns up at the SPC every year.
And I am not far left I am Center to Left and thats is where the SP stands as a whole.
.. yes southy, if you say so.

I know Stalin was a bit handy with the air-brush in altering history, so that it reflected the 'real truth'.

But you, well what can I say? Those days are over southy. You don't control the channels of 'truth' like some of your heroes. It's the 21st century and this is a relatively free democracy where accurate information is easily available.

But if you want to believe ‘the party line’, so be it. At least you don’t get persecuted for holding such counter revolutionary views.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: corruption. nothing new. Unions are only interested in one thing and so long as gullible members keep paying their subs, the leaders remain in their cushy lives taking the big free ride.....Thankfully for the union leaders, their members are mostly too stupid to realise they are "less equal" than their masters and have never read any George Orwell books.[/p][/quote]All of them, but its a case of under standing what Orwell was on about, and you do not realise what he is till you know what his politics was, Orwell was a Socialist and a party member.[/p][/quote].. er, I think you will find that Orwell, having experienced the Stalinist atrocities on the Republican side of the Spanish Civil War (i.e. the suppression of the Anarcho-Syndicalists , the non-Stalinist Communists and the Socialists) he became a member of the Independent Labour Party in the UK. Socialist is perhaps a label you could pin on him in the sense that, had he lived, he would have been in the 50’s and 60’s on the far left of Old Labour. However, that is NOT Socialist as in your Socialist Party (England and Wales) – yet another Trotskyist front too ashamed to use the T word.[/p][/quote]The Franco / Hitler atrocities that Republican side you mean, there was no Stalinist on the Socialist Republican side in the Spanish Civil War, they hated him, they was your Leninist type Socialist. Independent Labour Party was Socialist they later became the Independent Labour Publications then to the Militant and now the Socialist party[/p][/quote].. oh, and southy, please, please don’t discredit the ILP with such made up rubbish. The ILP was affiliated to the Labour Party from 1906 to 1932 when it left. In 1975 it did change itself into Independent Labour Publications, as you say, and under that name re-joined the Labour Party in that same year – where I believe it may well still be an affiliated member. The ILP had and has no connection whatsoever with Militant. Militant, the ‘newspaper’, first published in 1964 and was the rag of the Revolutionary Socialist League, yet another entryist Trotskyist front that evolved in the 1970’s and 80’s into Militant Tendency. I’d have thought someone as deeply indoctrinated into the far left as you would at least have got that right.[/p][/quote]They had every connections with Militant, many of the older Militant members was part of the ILP, when the ILP left Labour, you find all the smaller left wing groups was Connected, the ILP was part of the Revolutionary Socialist League, and even today the ILP still remains connected the the SP, the ILP still turns up at the SPC every year. And I am not far left I am Center to Left and thats is where the SP stands as a whole.[/p][/quote].. yes southy, if you say so. I know Stalin was a bit handy with the air-brush in altering history, so that it reflected the 'real truth'. But you, well what can I say? Those days are over southy. You don't control the channels of 'truth' like some of your heroes. It's the 21st century and this is a relatively free democracy where accurate information is easily available. But if you want to believe ‘the party line’, so be it. At least you don’t get persecuted for holding such counter revolutionary views. freefinker
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8:58pm Tue 20 Nov 12

southy says...

For you who do not know what
A Needs Budget Program, Needs Budget and budget that meets the needs of the local community, means.

Research in this area

1983 Liverpool Council, Labour party was not in a majority in 1983. they were the biggest party but they proposed a needs budget Program and were voted down.
For you who do not know what A Needs Budget Program, Needs Budget and budget that meets the needs of the local community, means. Research in this area 1983 Liverpool Council, Labour party was not in a majority in 1983. they were the biggest party but they proposed a needs budget Program and were voted down. southy
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9:00pm Tue 20 Nov 12

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
andyfidler1966 wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.
Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late
Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it. freefinker says... 7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12 rich the stitch wrote: southy wrote: Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up. .. it's what I've been saying all along. He made it up.
Rich then why did Nick C attend the Council Chambers floor in the last 2 years and address them with an alteritive Budget "A Needs Budget" "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget" which is a program of action to be taken.
No, that is the 3 words in a sentence. They are not put together to make the phrase 'Budget Needs Program'. There is no such thing.
Do you think that people who may possibly be interested in voting for your party would still want to do so after reading the complete rubbish you make up on here? I’m surprised they’ve not asked you to distance yourself from them. Just remind us, how many votes did you get?
Southy, we have been trying to tell you all along that there was no such thing as a "Needs Budget Program".... YOU were the one arguing that there was !!!! once again you have excelled in stupidity and are now trying to back track as you normally do !
You just do not have a clue do you, things can be siad in many ways and still mean the same thing.
A Needs Budget Program is a Needs Budget it is budget that meets the needs of the local community, they all mean the same.

I take it takes all 3 of you to change 1 light bulb.
Just because the word 'needs' is positioned four words after the word 'budget' does not make it into the huge edifice, a ‘Needs Budget Program’, that you have been going on about for weeks.


I'm sure if you closely inspected the manifestos of the Tories, NuLab, etc. you would find statements with a similar message to your “to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community”. That’s standard political waffle.

However, if we actually look at the following words, “and demands that the government makes up the shortfall” it's just the same old "No Cuts" slogan, isn’t it?

It’s not a workable policy or budget proposal, is it? Demand that the government makes up the shortfall. Yea, right; they’ll do that, won’t they?

You are all delusionists. And you say WE don't have a clue!!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyfidler1966[/bold] wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.[/p][/quote]Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late[/p][/quote]Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it. freefinker says... 7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12 rich the stitch wrote: southy wrote: Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up. .. it's what I've been saying all along. He made it up.[/p][/quote]Rich then why did Nick C attend the Council Chambers floor in the last 2 years and address them with an alteritive Budget "A Needs Budget" "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget" which is a program of action to be taken.[/p][/quote]No, that is the 3 words in a sentence. They are not put together to make the phrase 'Budget Needs Program'. There is no such thing. Do you think that people who may possibly be interested in voting for your party would still want to do so after reading the complete rubbish you make up on here? I’m surprised they’ve not asked you to distance yourself from them. Just remind us, how many votes did you get?[/p][/quote]Southy, we have been trying to tell you all along that there was no such thing as a "Needs Budget Program".... YOU were the one arguing that there was !!!! once again you have excelled in stupidity and are now trying to back track as you normally do ![/p][/quote]You just do not have a clue do you, things can be siad in many ways and still mean the same thing. A Needs Budget Program is a Needs Budget it is budget that meets the needs of the local community, they all mean the same. I take it takes all 3 of you to change 1 light bulb.[/p][/quote]Just because the word 'needs' is positioned four words after the word 'budget' does not make it into the huge edifice, a ‘Needs Budget Program’, that you have been going on about for weeks. I'm sure if you closely inspected the manifestos of the Tories, NuLab, etc. you would find statements with a similar message to your “to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community”. That’s standard political waffle. However, if we actually look at the following words, “and demands that the government makes up the shortfall” it's just the same old "No Cuts" slogan, isn’t it? It’s not a workable policy or budget proposal, is it? Demand that the government makes up the shortfall. Yea, right; they’ll do that, won’t they? You are all delusionists. And you say WE don't have a clue!! freefinker
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9:17pm Tue 20 Nov 12

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
MGRA wrote:
corruption. nothing new. Unions are only interested in one thing and so long as gullible members keep paying their subs, the leaders remain in their cushy lives taking the big free ride.....Thankfully for the union leaders, their members are mostly too stupid to realise they are "less equal" than their masters and have never read any George Orwell books.
All of them, but its a case of under standing what Orwell was on about, and you do not realise what he is till you know what his politics was, Orwell was a Socialist and a party member.
.. er, I think you will find that Orwell, having experienced the Stalinist atrocities on the Republican side of the Spanish Civil War (i.e. the suppression of the Anarcho-Syndicalists





, the non-Stalinist Communists and the Socialists) he became a member of the Independent Labour Party in the UK.

Socialist is perhaps a label you could pin on him in the sense that, had he lived, he would have been in the 50’s and 60’s on the far left of Old Labour. However, that is NOT Socialist as in your Socialist Party (England and Wales) – yet another Trotskyist front too ashamed to use the T word.
The Franco / Hitler atrocities that Republican side you mean, there was no Stalinist on the Socialist Republican side in the Spanish Civil War, they hated him, they was your Leninist type Socialist.
Independent Labour Party was Socialist they later became the Independent Labour Publications then to the Militant and now the Socialist party
.. oh, and southy, please, please don’t discredit the ILP with such made up rubbish.

The ILP was affiliated to the Labour Party from 1906 to 1932 when it left. In 1975 it did change itself into Independent Labour Publications, as you say, and under that name re-joined the Labour Party in that same year – where I believe it may well still be an affiliated member.

The ILP had and has no connection whatsoever with Militant. Militant, the ‘newspaper’, first published in 1964 and was the rag of the Revolutionary Socialist League, yet another entryist Trotskyist front that evolved in the 1970’s and 80’s into Militant Tendency.

I’d have thought someone as deeply indoctrinated into the far left as you would at least have got that right.
They had every connections with Militant, many of the older Militant members was part of the ILP, when the ILP left Labour, you find all the smaller left wing groups was Connected, the ILP was part of the Revolutionary Socialist League, and even today the ILP still remains connected the the SP, the ILP still turns up at the SPC every year.
And I am not far left I am Center to Left and thats is where the SP stands as a whole.
.. yes southy, if you say so.

I know Stalin was a bit handy with the air-brush in altering history, so that it reflected the 'real truth'.

But you, well what can I say? Those days are over southy. You don't control the channels of 'truth' like some of your heroes. It's the 21st century and this is a relatively free democracy where accurate information is easily available.

But if you want to believe ‘the party line’, so be it. At least you don’t get persecuted for holding such counter revolutionary views.
What happen, happen your not going to find out the real truth by Right wingers who post and print an altered truth, they do not what the likes of you to find the real truth, because if you did you want to know more. and keep bring up Stalin will not help you, those that knows there history or will to find out, will know that Stalin had nothing to do with Oct revoluton the 3rd and final revolution, and that he was all ready in government when the Communist took over, and was allowed to stay and that was because he was a revolutionist even lo he was a capitalist. people don't get taught the real truth you find that out your self later in life.
inaccurate information on the internet as i all ready proven on one case, its people like your self who put up there own version, you find more accurate information in the librarys.
Its like i may not go much on the Local SWP but I still have connections with them, and some our members in the past have joined them and some of there members have joined us, and this what the Revolutionary Socialist League was all about the left staying connected with each other, and this is what part of the TUSC is all about bring the left back under 1 political wing and with some right wingers mix in to.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: corruption. nothing new. Unions are only interested in one thing and so long as gullible members keep paying their subs, the leaders remain in their cushy lives taking the big free ride.....Thankfully for the union leaders, their members are mostly too stupid to realise they are "less equal" than their masters and have never read any George Orwell books.[/p][/quote]All of them, but its a case of under standing what Orwell was on about, and you do not realise what he is till you know what his politics was, Orwell was a Socialist and a party member.[/p][/quote].. er, I think you will find that Orwell, having experienced the Stalinist atrocities on the Republican side of the Spanish Civil War (i.e. the suppression of the Anarcho-Syndicalists , the non-Stalinist Communists and the Socialists) he became a member of the Independent Labour Party in the UK. Socialist is perhaps a label you could pin on him in the sense that, had he lived, he would have been in the 50’s and 60’s on the far left of Old Labour. However, that is NOT Socialist as in your Socialist Party (England and Wales) – yet another Trotskyist front too ashamed to use the T word.[/p][/quote]The Franco / Hitler atrocities that Republican side you mean, there was no Stalinist on the Socialist Republican side in the Spanish Civil War, they hated him, they was your Leninist type Socialist. Independent Labour Party was Socialist they later became the Independent Labour Publications then to the Militant and now the Socialist party[/p][/quote].. oh, and southy, please, please don’t discredit the ILP with such made up rubbish. The ILP was affiliated to the Labour Party from 1906 to 1932 when it left. In 1975 it did change itself into Independent Labour Publications, as you say, and under that name re-joined the Labour Party in that same year – where I believe it may well still be an affiliated member. The ILP had and has no connection whatsoever with Militant. Militant, the ‘newspaper’, first published in 1964 and was the rag of the Revolutionary Socialist League, yet another entryist Trotskyist front that evolved in the 1970’s and 80’s into Militant Tendency. I’d have thought someone as deeply indoctrinated into the far left as you would at least have got that right.[/p][/quote]They had every connections with Militant, many of the older Militant members was part of the ILP, when the ILP left Labour, you find all the smaller left wing groups was Connected, the ILP was part of the Revolutionary Socialist League, and even today the ILP still remains connected the the SP, the ILP still turns up at the SPC every year. And I am not far left I am Center to Left and thats is where the SP stands as a whole.[/p][/quote].. yes southy, if you say so. I know Stalin was a bit handy with the air-brush in altering history, so that it reflected the 'real truth'. But you, well what can I say? Those days are over southy. You don't control the channels of 'truth' like some of your heroes. It's the 21st century and this is a relatively free democracy where accurate information is easily available. But if you want to believe ‘the party line’, so be it. At least you don’t get persecuted for holding such counter revolutionary views.[/p][/quote]What happen, happen your not going to find out the real truth by Right wingers who post and print an altered truth, they do not what the likes of you to find the real truth, because if you did you want to know more. and keep bring up Stalin will not help you, those that knows there history or will to find out, will know that Stalin had nothing to do with Oct revoluton the 3rd and final revolution, and that he was all ready in government when the Communist took over, and was allowed to stay and that was because he was a revolutionist even lo he was a capitalist. people don't get taught the real truth you find that out your self later in life. inaccurate information on the internet as i all ready proven on one case, its people like your self who put up there own version, you find more accurate information in the librarys. Its like i may not go much on the Local SWP but I still have connections with them, and some our members in the past have joined them and some of there members have joined us, and this what the Revolutionary Socialist League was all about the left staying connected with each other, and this is what part of the TUSC is all about bring the left back under 1 political wing and with some right wingers mix in to. southy
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9:20pm Tue 20 Nov 12

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
andyfidler1966 wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.
Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late
Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it. freefinker says... 7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12 rich the stitch wrote: southy wrote: Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up. .. it's what I've been saying all along. He made it up.
Rich then why did Nick C attend the Council Chambers floor in the last 2 years and address them with an alteritive Budget "A Needs Budget" "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget" which is a program of action to be taken.
No, that is the 3 words in a sentence. They are not put together to make the phrase 'Budget Needs Program'. There is no such thing.
Do you think that people who may possibly be interested in voting for your party would still want to do so after reading the complete rubbish you make up on here? I’m surprised they’ve not asked you to distance yourself from them. Just remind us, how many votes did you get?
Southy, we have been trying to tell you all along that there was no such thing as a "Needs Budget Program".... YOU were the one arguing that there was !!!! once again you have excelled in stupidity and are now trying to back track as you normally do !
You just do not have a clue do you, things can be siad in many ways and still mean the same thing.
A Needs Budget Program is a Needs Budget it is budget that meets the needs of the local community, they all mean the same.

I take it takes all 3 of you to change 1 light bulb.
Just because the word 'needs' is positioned four words after the word 'budget' does not make it into the huge edifice, a ‘Needs Budget Program’, that you have been going on about for weeks.


I'm sure if you closely inspected the manifestos of the Tories, NuLab, etc. you would find statements with a similar message to your “to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community”. That’s standard political waffle.

However, if we actually look at the following words, “and demands that the government makes up the shortfall” it's just the same old "No Cuts" slogan, isn’t it?

It’s not a workable policy or budget proposal, is it? Demand that the government makes up the shortfall. Yea, right; they’ll do that, won’t they?

You are all delusionists. And you say WE don't have a clue!!
You still do not have a clue. A Needs Budget is a Needs Budget Program and it do not matter how you word it, its still the same, Its the opposite to a Cuts Budget Program, or if you like Cuts Budget they mean the same
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyfidler1966[/bold] wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.[/p][/quote]Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late[/p][/quote]Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it. freefinker says... 7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12 rich the stitch wrote: southy wrote: Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up. .. it's what I've been saying all along. He made it up.[/p][/quote]Rich then why did Nick C attend the Council Chambers floor in the last 2 years and address them with an alteritive Budget "A Needs Budget" "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget" which is a program of action to be taken.[/p][/quote]No, that is the 3 words in a sentence. They are not put together to make the phrase 'Budget Needs Program'. There is no such thing. Do you think that people who may possibly be interested in voting for your party would still want to do so after reading the complete rubbish you make up on here? I’m surprised they’ve not asked you to distance yourself from them. Just remind us, how many votes did you get?[/p][/quote]Southy, we have been trying to tell you all along that there was no such thing as a "Needs Budget Program".... YOU were the one arguing that there was !!!! once again you have excelled in stupidity and are now trying to back track as you normally do ![/p][/quote]You just do not have a clue do you, things can be siad in many ways and still mean the same thing. A Needs Budget Program is a Needs Budget it is budget that meets the needs of the local community, they all mean the same. I take it takes all 3 of you to change 1 light bulb.[/p][/quote]Just because the word 'needs' is positioned four words after the word 'budget' does not make it into the huge edifice, a ‘Needs Budget Program’, that you have been going on about for weeks. I'm sure if you closely inspected the manifestos of the Tories, NuLab, etc. you would find statements with a similar message to your “to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community”. That’s standard political waffle. However, if we actually look at the following words, “and demands that the government makes up the shortfall” it's just the same old "No Cuts" slogan, isn’t it? It’s not a workable policy or budget proposal, is it? Demand that the government makes up the shortfall. Yea, right; they’ll do that, won’t they? You are all delusionists. And you say WE don't have a clue!![/p][/quote]You still do not have a clue. A Needs Budget is a Needs Budget Program and it do not matter how you word it, its still the same, Its the opposite to a Cuts Budget Program, or if you like Cuts Budget they mean the same southy
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9:21pm Tue 20 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Over the Edge wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
An urgent Council Cabinet meeting called for 5pm today to discuss whether the council act as the accountable body and accept £2 million pounds of funding next spring from the Regional Development agency, to assist in setting up small business's and to assist redundant Ford worker going self -employed,,,, list of atte.dees does not include any union representations, also on the agenda, Council budget proposal,,,, again not union rep in sight, consultation papers on the council budget sent out to Councillors and council partners in the city,,,,I suppose you could class the unions who represent council employees as partners, I received consultation papers through my employment in the 3rd/voluntary sector working in Southampton.

I do see a problem with asking people for their opinions regardless if they're union rep's or not
That would make the Unions & Southy out to be liars wouldn't it?
they both agreed they sit in on all Labour decisions or committees so your saying they don't?
Over the edge in certain countries they are not allowed to read any non state papers or get into trouble.
Do you think it was right of Tucker to say we will not buy the Echo?
Before the local elections I & many other Tory supporters could quite easily say the ECHO was Anti Tory but realised it was just a way to sell papers so how come this leader of men ( he's a joke) can't accept this?
The Echo worked in partnership with the council to obtain the grant,,,,£2 million into the council coffers to help people set up small business's and go self-employed even ex council workers and Fords workers,,,Tucker is a tw@t,,,,bad news sells papers locally and nationally,,,I read on line and have the Echo delivered everyday,,,,no one will tell me or my family what we read,,,its called freedom of choice,,,I am union member,,,and a non Tory supporter
Over the edge I agree with freedom of choice.
I wonder if this paper lied & said how great Mike Tucker & Woodland were great for this city would he have called for a vote so banning his members from reading this paper?
You are not a Tory fine but look at what's coming out now!
Tucker & Woodland knew way in advance what the budget was.
Back when this paper did an interview with Williams & he stated 1-10 refuse jobs to go & fortnightly collections plus 1,500 more jobs to go but then had a meeting with his party & both Unions.
He then accused this paper of lying as he never said it?
So the Unions knew the Labour plans then way before the finalisation meeting that took place early this month.
So for them to accept a deal where their members threw away court action they were told by their unions it was a no brainer we'll win.
Also they lost redundancy pay ( lower ) & have lower pensions & according to this they had input to the budget before that meeting so their members have been conned by their own unions.
Now the unions are asking for improved severance? why to say look what we got you?
yes look what they got the council staff Lost jobs.
If your in these unions & a council Worker vote these idiots out & look at the Tory pay cut deal & the Labour alternative & see as this paper has which one leaves more in jobs
[quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: An urgent Council Cabinet meeting called for 5pm today to discuss whether the council act as the accountable body and accept £2 million pounds of funding next spring from the Regional Development agency, to assist in setting up small business's and to assist redundant Ford worker going self -employed,,,, list of atte.dees does not include any union representations, also on the agenda, Council budget proposal,,,, again not union rep in sight, consultation papers on the council budget sent out to Councillors and council partners in the city,,,,I suppose you could class the unions who represent council employees as partners, I received consultation papers through my employment in the 3rd/voluntary sector working in Southampton. I do see a problem with asking people for their opinions regardless if they're union rep's or not[/p][/quote]That would make the Unions & Southy out to be liars wouldn't it? they both agreed they sit in on all Labour decisions or committees so your saying they don't? Over the edge in certain countries they are not allowed to read any non state papers or get into trouble. Do you think it was right of Tucker to say we will not buy the Echo? Before the local elections I & many other Tory supporters could quite easily say the ECHO was Anti Tory but realised it was just a way to sell papers so how come this leader of men ( he's a joke) can't accept this?[/p][/quote]The Echo worked in partnership with the council to obtain the grant,,,,£2 million into the council coffers to help people set up small business's and go self-employed even ex council workers and Fords workers,,,Tucker is a tw@t,,,,bad news sells papers locally and nationally,,,I read on line and have the Echo delivered everyday,,,,no one will tell me or my family what we read,,,its called freedom of choice,,,I am union member,,,and a non Tory supporter[/p][/quote]Over the edge I agree with freedom of choice. I wonder if this paper lied & said how great Mike Tucker & Woodland were great for this city would he have called for a vote so banning his members from reading this paper? You are not a Tory fine but look at what's coming out now! Tucker & Woodland knew way in advance what the budget was. Back when this paper did an interview with Williams & he stated 1-10 refuse jobs to go & fortnightly collections plus 1,500 more jobs to go but then had a meeting with his party & both Unions. He then accused this paper of lying as he never said it? So the Unions knew the Labour plans then way before the finalisation meeting that took place early this month. So for them to accept a deal where their members threw away court action they were told by their unions it was a no brainer we'll win. Also they lost redundancy pay ( lower ) & have lower pensions & according to this they had input to the budget before that meeting so their members have been conned by their own unions. Now the unions are asking for improved severance? why to say look what we got you? yes look what they got the council staff Lost jobs. If your in these unions & a council Worker vote these idiots out & look at the Tory pay cut deal & the Labour alternative & see as this paper has which one leaves more in jobs loosehead
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9:25pm Tue 20 Nov 12

southy says...

freefinker
suggestion for you, get your self involved and active, then you might begin to understand
Loosehead as not jump in because he is active and involved and he understands that they mean the same.
freefinker suggestion for you, get your self involved and active, then you might begin to understand Loosehead as not jump in because he is active and involved and he understands that they mean the same. southy
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9:29pm Tue 20 Nov 12

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
"We voted in a Political Party to run this city...."

Nice to know that you voted Labour.

Would never have guessed from the way you idolise Royston Smith.
The "WE" meant the people of this city I for one would have rather voted for Southy than for the Lying Williams Party.
I also didn't vote for either Mates or the independent candidates.
I actually voted for UKIP as he has been a copper of one sort.
Loose at the moment Tucker and co are fighting to stop its members from supporting the TUSC, Woodland is now worried about it to after the Labour council budget and the number of job losses that are on the cards.
You should of seen the letter that was sent out to Unison members, about the support to don and keith over there actions, and yet the TUSC who was all ready supportting Don and Keith actions condemed the TUSC and do not support the TUSC over the matter, many of Unison members I have spoken to think Tucker as lost the plot, and wanted to know how can you support Don and Keith but not the TUSC who are all fighting in the same corner.
Southy so why not show these Union members that Mike Tucker,Woodland & Williams had already agreed on this course of action before the local elections?
Williams let it slip in this very paper only then to call this paper liars & to say he was mis quoted after a meeting with those two unions?
Surely it would do your party a power of good to show how they've been lied to by both Labour & the Unions?
Instead you just attack the Tories why?
Your not going to win votes off of them?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: "We voted in a Political Party to run this city...." Nice to know that you voted Labour. Would never have guessed from the way you idolise Royston Smith.[/p][/quote]The "WE" meant the people of this city I for one would have rather voted for Southy than for the Lying Williams Party. I also didn't vote for either Mates or the independent candidates. I actually voted for UKIP as he has been a copper of one sort.[/p][/quote]Loose at the moment Tucker and co are fighting to stop its members from supporting the TUSC, Woodland is now worried about it to after the Labour council budget and the number of job losses that are on the cards. You should of seen the letter that was sent out to Unison members, about the support to don and keith over there actions, and yet the TUSC who was all ready supportting Don and Keith actions condemed the TUSC and do not support the TUSC over the matter, many of Unison members I have spoken to think Tucker as lost the plot, and wanted to know how can you support Don and Keith but not the TUSC who are all fighting in the same corner.[/p][/quote]Southy so why not show these Union members that Mike Tucker,Woodland & Williams had already agreed on this course of action before the local elections? Williams let it slip in this very paper only then to call this paper liars & to say he was mis quoted after a meeting with those two unions? Surely it would do your party a power of good to show how they've been lied to by both Labour & the Unions? Instead you just attack the Tories why? Your not going to win votes off of them? loosehead
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9:32pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Inform Al says...

How droll, I have tried to read all the posts on this article but have not noticed any that actually address the main point of the Echo's article. I have difficulty accepting that the unions helped the Labour group to seize power when at least one Labour candidate was beaten into second place to her Tory opponent due to more votes than the difference between them being taken by the TUSC candidate. Had he not have stood there would now be one more Labour councillor and one less Tory. The only people to help the Labour group to take over were in fact the previous arrogant useless administration and the electorate who where sick to the teeth of them. I have noticed the expected comments on the union paymasters but am personally aware of the methods used by the Tories to encourage rich property owning party donors to cough up, in fact within days of coming to power C'moron overturned the legislation we had taken over ten years to persuade the previous, also useless lot, to enact on HMOs. So very very obvious. One thing I would like to know and perhaps there is someone out there who can help. Does Newsquest have any connections to the Murdochs?
How droll, I have tried to read all the posts on this article but have not noticed any that actually address the main point of the Echo's article. I have difficulty accepting that the unions helped the Labour group to seize power when at least one Labour candidate was beaten into second place to her Tory opponent due to more votes than the difference between them being taken by the TUSC candidate. Had he not have stood there would now be one more Labour councillor and one less Tory. The only people to help the Labour group to take over were in fact the previous arrogant useless administration and the electorate who where sick to the teeth of them. I have noticed the expected comments on the union paymasters but am personally aware of the methods used by the Tories to encourage rich property owning party donors to cough up, in fact within days of coming to power C'moron overturned the legislation we had taken over ten years to persuade the previous, also useless lot, to enact on HMOs. So very very obvious. One thing I would like to know and perhaps there is someone out there who can help. Does Newsquest have any connections to the Murdochs? Inform Al
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9:33pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
rich the stitch wrote:
southy wrote:
andyfidler1966 wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.
Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late
Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it. freefinker says... 7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12 rich the stitch wrote: southy wrote: Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up. .. it's what I've been saying all along. He made it up.
Rich then why did Nick C attend the Council Chambers floor in the last 2 years and address them with an alteritive Budget "A Needs Budget" "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget" which is a program of action to be taken.
No, that is the 3 words in a sentence. They are not put together to make the phrase 'Budget Needs Program'. There is no such thing.
Do you think that people who may possibly be interested in voting for your party would still want to do so after reading the complete rubbish you make up on here? I’m surprised they’ve not asked you to distance yourself from them. Just remind us, how many votes did you get?
Southy, we have been trying to tell you all along that there was no such thing as a "Needs Budget Program".... YOU were the one arguing that there was !!!! once again you have excelled in stupidity and are now trying to back track as you normally do !
You just do not have a clue do you, things can be siad in many ways and still mean the same thing.
A Needs Budget Program is a Needs Budget it is budget that meets the needs of the local community, they all mean the same.

I take it takes all 3 of you to change 1 light bulb.
Just because the word 'needs' is positioned four words after the word 'budget' does not make it into the huge edifice, a ‘Needs Budget Program’, that you have been going on about for weeks.


I'm sure if you closely inspected the manifestos of the Tories, NuLab, etc. you would find statements with a similar message to your “to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community”. That’s standard political waffle.

However, if we actually look at the following words, “and demands that the government makes up the shortfall” it's just the same old "No Cuts" slogan, isn’t it?

It’s not a workable policy or budget proposal, is it? Demand that the government makes up the shortfall. Yea, right; they’ll do that, won’t they?

You are all delusionists. And you say WE don't have a clue!!
You still do not have a clue. A Needs Budget is a Needs Budget Program and it do not matter how you word it, its still the same, Its the opposite to a Cuts Budget Program, or if you like Cuts Budget they mean the same
It does not matter how you word it, you lied and have been caught out yet again, perhaps this lesson will teach you that you can't just make things up and submit them, it would seem you just can't help yourself. What am I saying, of course you won't!

You'll say anything and then try to worm out of it, as if it's some great surprise that it takes about 2 minutes to prove you have lied. Are you so deluded in self proclaimed superiority that you really think we are that stupid? Accusing us of not being able to think for ourselves? If we couldn't, then we would probably fall for your complete and obvious hooey but we don't.

You have zero credibility yet seem determined to get it into the minus.

I'm glad that your outdated and prehistoric politics will soon be consigned to the dustbin of bad ideas, I'm not saying it's a perfect world but to promote your own private political fantasies day in, day out, does nothing for your cause but only make you a subject of ridicule.

Your brand of socialism is the politics of failure. There is no greater proof than yourself.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rich the stitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyfidler1966[/bold] wrote: I bet that Mike Tucker wishes that he had all the power that Smith claims that he has! To answer the question, how many votes do the unions get on these top level meetings. Unions (everywhere they are recognised) are entitled by law to a reasonable level of consultation, and also to reasonable time off for trade union activities.[/p][/quote]Unions get no vote at top level meetings, they are there to avise when the employer is heading towards a clash with the Union, so in able to avoid action before its to late[/p][/quote]Ah Southy, glad you're back as you disappeared yesterday after it had been proven that the phrase that you had been bleating on about was totally made up by you. Just wanted to see if you was going to admit to it. freefinker says... 7:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12 rich the stitch wrote: southy wrote: Freefinker "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget program. or is that beyond your under standing So the actual phrase 'Needs Budget Program' is one you've made up. .. it's what I've been saying all along. He made it up.[/p][/quote]Rich then why did Nick C attend the Council Chambers floor in the last 2 years and address them with an alteritive Budget "A Needs Budget" "to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community"= a needs budget" which is a program of action to be taken.[/p][/quote]No, that is the 3 words in a sentence. They are not put together to make the phrase 'Budget Needs Program'. There is no such thing. Do you think that people who may possibly be interested in voting for your party would still want to do so after reading the complete rubbish you make up on here? I’m surprised they’ve not asked you to distance yourself from them. Just remind us, how many votes did you get?[/p][/quote]Southy, we have been trying to tell you all along that there was no such thing as a "Needs Budget Program".... YOU were the one arguing that there was !!!! once again you have excelled in stupidity and are now trying to back track as you normally do ![/p][/quote]You just do not have a clue do you, things can be siad in many ways and still mean the same thing. A Needs Budget Program is a Needs Budget it is budget that meets the needs of the local community, they all mean the same. I take it takes all 3 of you to change 1 light bulb.[/p][/quote]Just because the word 'needs' is positioned four words after the word 'budget' does not make it into the huge edifice, a ‘Needs Budget Program’, that you have been going on about for weeks. I'm sure if you closely inspected the manifestos of the Tories, NuLab, etc. you would find statements with a similar message to your “to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community”. That’s standard political waffle. However, if we actually look at the following words, “and demands that the government makes up the shortfall” it's just the same old "No Cuts" slogan, isn’t it? It’s not a workable policy or budget proposal, is it? Demand that the government makes up the shortfall. Yea, right; they’ll do that, won’t they? You are all delusionists. And you say WE don't have a clue!![/p][/quote]You still do not have a clue. A Needs Budget is a Needs Budget Program and it do not matter how you word it, its still the same, Its the opposite to a Cuts Budget Program, or if you like Cuts Budget they mean the same[/p][/quote]It does not matter how you word it, you lied and have been caught out yet again, perhaps this lesson will teach you that you can't just make things up and submit them, it would seem you just can't help yourself. What am I saying, of course you won't! You'll say anything and then try to worm out of it, as if it's some great surprise that it takes about 2 minutes to prove you have lied. Are you so deluded in self proclaimed superiority that you really think we are that stupid? Accusing us of not being able to think for ourselves? If we couldn't, then we would probably fall for your complete and obvious hooey but we don't. You have zero credibility yet seem determined to get it into the minus. I'm glad that your outdated and prehistoric politics will soon be consigned to the dustbin of bad ideas, I'm not saying it's a perfect world but to promote your own private political fantasies day in, day out, does nothing for your cause but only make you a subject of ridicule. Your brand of socialism is the politics of failure. There is no greater proof than yourself. Shoong
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9:34pm Tue 20 Nov 12

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
freefinker
suggestion for you, get your self involved and active, then you might begin to understand
Loosehead as not jump in because he is active and involved and he understands that they mean the same.
My family are blanking me as they don't agree with me thinking for myself & I should be Labour like them or I should keep my opinions to myself not post on here or write letters.
Is that getting involved or active?
Southy I admire the way you stick by what you believe in but some times you're your own worst enemy.
If you put forward something & some one puts forward facts research what they've said & then reply.
I try to do this on all my posts but still get called names but at least you've looked at both sides of the argument ,Have Fun!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: freefinker suggestion for you, get your self involved and active, then you might begin to understand Loosehead as not jump in because he is active and involved and he understands that they mean the same.[/p][/quote]My family are blanking me as they don't agree with me thinking for myself & I should be Labour like them or I should keep my opinions to myself not post on here or write letters. Is that getting involved or active? Southy I admire the way you stick by what you believe in but some times you're your own worst enemy. If you put forward something & some one puts forward facts research what they've said & then reply. I try to do this on all my posts but still get called names but at least you've looked at both sides of the argument ,Have Fun! loosehead
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9:47pm Tue 20 Nov 12

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
MGRA wrote:
corruption. nothing new. Unions are only interested in one thing and so long as gullible members keep paying their subs, the leaders remain in their cushy lives taking the big free ride.....Thankfully for the union leaders, their members are mostly too stupid to realise they are "less equal" than their masters and have never read any George Orwell books.
All of them, but its a case of under standing what Orwell was on about, and you do not realise what he is till you know what his politics was, Orwell was a Socialist and a party member.
.. er, I think you will find that Orwell, having experienced the Stalinist atrocities on the Republican side of the Spanish Civil War (i.e. the suppression of the Anarcho-Syndicalists






, the non-Stalinist Communists and the Socialists) he became a member of the Independent Labour Party in the UK.

Socialist is perhaps a label you could pin on him in the sense that, had he lived, he would have been in the 50’s and 60’s on the far left of Old Labour. However, that is NOT Socialist as in your Socialist Party (England and Wales) – yet another Trotskyist front too ashamed to use the T word.
The Franco / Hitler atrocities that Republican side you mean, there was no Stalinist on the Socialist Republican side in the Spanish Civil War, they hated him, they was your Leninist type Socialist.
Independent Labour Party was Socialist they later became the Independent Labour Publications then to the Militant and now the Socialist party
.. oh, and southy, please, please don’t discredit the ILP with such made up rubbish.

The ILP was affiliated to the Labour Party from 1906 to 1932 when it left. In 1975 it did change itself into Independent Labour Publications, as you say, and under that name re-joined the Labour Party in that same year – where I believe it may well still be an affiliated member.

The ILP had and has no connection whatsoever with Militant. Militant, the ‘newspaper’, first published in 1964 and was the rag of the Revolutionary Socialist League, yet another entryist Trotskyist front that evolved in the 1970’s and 80’s into Militant Tendency.

I’d have thought someone as deeply indoctrinated into the far left as you would at least have got that right.
They had every connections with Militant, many of the older Militant members was part of the ILP, when the ILP left Labour, you find all the smaller left wing groups was Connected, the ILP was part of the Revolutionary Socialist League, and even today the ILP still remains connected the the SP, the ILP still turns up at the SPC every year.
And I am not far left I am Center to Left and thats is where the SP stands as a whole.
.. yes southy, if you say so.

I know Stalin was a bit handy with the air-brush in altering history, so that it reflected the 'real truth'.

But you, well what can I say? Those days are over southy. You don't control the channels of 'truth' like some of your heroes. It's the 21st century and this is a relatively free democracy where accurate information is easily available.

But if you want to believe ‘the party line’, so be it. At least you don’t get persecuted for holding such counter revolutionary views.
What happen, happen your not going to find out the real truth by Right wingers who post and print an altered truth, they do not what the likes of you to find the real truth, because if you did you want to know more. and keep bring up Stalin will not help you, those that knows there history or will to find out, will know that Stalin had nothing to do with Oct revoluton the 3rd and final revolution, and that he was all ready in government when the Communist took over, and was allowed to stay and that was because he was a revolutionist even lo he was a capitalist. people don't get taught the real truth you find that out your self later in life.
inaccurate information on the internet as i all ready proven on one case, its people like your self who put up there own version, you find more accurate information in the librarys.
Its like i may not go much on the Local SWP but I still have connections with them, and some our members in the past have joined them and some of there members have joined us, and this what the Revolutionary Socialist League was all about the left staying connected with each other, and this is what part of the TUSC is all about bring the left back under 1 political wing and with some right wingers mix in to.
"inaccurate information on the internet as i all ready proven on one case"

Nope, wrong again.

Your totally ill-informed post about the Bilderberg OFFICIAL website was well and truly debugged by others. You had run away by then – like you always do.

And I see we are back yet again to the right-wing alter the internet/truth. Do leave it out southy. Just because you are incapable of distinguishing fact from fiction, truth from lies and accurate data from propaganda; doesn’t mean that everybody else is.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: corruption. nothing new. Unions are only interested in one thing and so long as gullible members keep paying their subs, the leaders remain in their cushy lives taking the big free ride.....Thankfully for the union leaders, their members are mostly too stupid to realise they are "less equal" than their masters and have never read any George Orwell books.[/p][/quote]All of them, but its a case of under standing what Orwell was on about, and you do not realise what he is till you know what his politics was, Orwell was a Socialist and a party member.[/p][/quote].. er, I think you will find that Orwell, having experienced the Stalinist atrocities on the Republican side of the Spanish Civil War (i.e. the suppression of the Anarcho-Syndicalists , the non-Stalinist Communists and the Socialists) he became a member of the Independent Labour Party in the UK. Socialist is perhaps a label you could pin on him in the sense that, had he lived, he would have been in the 50’s and 60’s on the far left of Old Labour. However, that is NOT Socialist as in your Socialist Party (England and Wales) – yet another Trotskyist front too ashamed to use the T word.[/p][/quote]The Franco / Hitler atrocities that Republican side you mean, there was no Stalinist on the Socialist Republican side in the Spanish Civil War, they hated him, they was your Leninist type Socialist. Independent Labour Party was Socialist they later became the Independent Labour Publications then to the Militant and now the Socialist party[/p][/quote].. oh, and southy, please, please don’t discredit the ILP with such made up rubbish. The ILP was affiliated to the Labour Party from 1906 to 1932 when it left. In 1975 it did change itself into Independent Labour Publications, as you say, and under that name re-joined the Labour Party in that same year – where I believe it may well still be an affiliated member. The ILP had and has no connection whatsoever with Militant. Militant, the ‘newspaper’, first published in 1964 and was the rag of the Revolutionary Socialist League, yet another entryist Trotskyist front that evolved in the 1970’s and 80’s into Militant Tendency. I’d have thought someone as deeply indoctrinated into the far left as you would at least have got that right.[/p][/quote]They had every connections with Militant, many of the older Militant members was part of the ILP, when the ILP left Labour, you find all the smaller left wing groups was Connected, the ILP was part of the Revolutionary Socialist League, and even today the ILP still remains connected the the SP, the ILP still turns up at the SPC every year. And I am not far left I am Center to Left and thats is where the SP stands as a whole.[/p][/quote].. yes southy, if you say so. I know Stalin was a bit handy with the air-brush in altering history, so that it reflected the 'real truth'. But you, well what can I say? Those days are over southy. You don't control the channels of 'truth' like some of your heroes. It's the 21st century and this is a relatively free democracy where accurate information is easily available. But if you want to believe ‘the party line’, so be it. At least you don’t get persecuted for holding such counter revolutionary views.[/p][/quote]What happen, happen your not going to find out the real truth by Right wingers who post and print an altered truth, they do not what the likes of you to find the real truth, because if you did you want to know more. and keep bring up Stalin will not help you, those that knows there history or will to find out, will know that Stalin had nothing to do with Oct revoluton the 3rd and final revolution, and that he was all ready in government when the Communist took over, and was allowed to stay and that was because he was a revolutionist even lo he was a capitalist. people don't get taught the real truth you find that out your self later in life. inaccurate information on the internet as i all ready proven on one case, its people like your self who put up there own version, you find more accurate information in the librarys. Its like i may not go much on the Local SWP but I still have connections with them, and some our members in the past have joined them and some of there members have joined us, and this what the Revolutionary Socialist League was all about the left staying connected with each other, and this is what part of the TUSC is all about bring the left back under 1 political wing and with some right wingers mix in to.[/p][/quote]"inaccurate information on the internet as i all ready proven on one case" Nope, wrong again. Your totally ill-informed post about the Bilderberg OFFICIAL website was well and truly debugged by others. You had run away by then – like you always do. And I see we are back yet again to the right-wing alter the internet/truth. Do leave it out southy. Just because you are incapable of distinguishing fact from fiction, truth from lies and accurate data from propaganda; doesn’t mean that everybody else is. freefinker
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1:11am Wed 21 Nov 12

andysaints007 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda.
.
Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions.
.
Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader.
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Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad
Perhaps you could try just once not to be so boring!
The MOAN Ranger rides again

YAWNNNNNNNNNNNN
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda. . Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions. . Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader. . Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad[/p][/quote]Perhaps you could try just once not to be so boring! The MOAN Ranger rides again YAWNNNNNNNNNNNN andysaints007
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8:32am Wed 21 Nov 12

Taskforce 141 says...

Sounds like the Daily Royston is at it again!
Sounds like the Daily Royston is at it again! Taskforce 141
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8:40am Wed 21 Nov 12

loosehead says...

So the truth is now out & the Unions & Labour blame the Echo of being Pro Tory?
Do you remember the Echo headlines when we had a Tory Council?
Do you remember the Echo printing very Pro Union articles?
Did they not give over a whole page to a Williams interview?
Did he then not call the article as being mis-quoted? yet it's been proven to be very right yet no apology to the Journalist from Williams?
I & many other Tory voters could have said the Echo was Anti Tory when in fact they were looking for headlines to sell papers.
So why is it now that Labour & the Unions are on the back foot it's the Echo's fault for being Pro Tory?
you of the left are having a laugh aren't you?
Maybe if Williams & the council & the Unions tried to tell the truth for once the Echo would have nothing to print about them ever thought of telling the truth?
So the truth is now out & the Unions & Labour blame the Echo of being Pro Tory? Do you remember the Echo headlines when we had a Tory Council? Do you remember the Echo printing very Pro Union articles? Did they not give over a whole page to a Williams interview? Did he then not call the article as being mis-quoted? yet it's been proven to be very right yet no apology to the Journalist from Williams? I & many other Tory voters could have said the Echo was Anti Tory when in fact they were looking for headlines to sell papers. So why is it now that Labour & the Unions are on the back foot it's the Echo's fault for being Pro Tory? you of the left are having a laugh aren't you? Maybe if Williams & the council & the Unions tried to tell the truth for once the Echo would have nothing to print about them ever thought of telling the truth? loosehead
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8:49am Wed 21 Nov 12

Abbey Saint says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote: As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda. . Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions. . Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader. . Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad
They all ways have been, talk to some of the press men and most will tell you, its a capitalist world in control
'capitalist world in control?'. What the hell does that mean? Do us a all a favour before you make a complete donut of yourself, put the pointy tin foil hat back until you can come up with something worth sending in. You sound like a 13 year old X-Files fan boy.
....... And you think you're comment IS worthy?
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda. . Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions. . Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader. . Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad[/p][/quote]They all ways have been, talk to some of the press men and most will tell you, its a capitalist world in control[/p][/quote]'capitalist world in control?'. What the hell does that mean? Do us a all a favour before you make a complete donut of yourself, put the pointy tin foil hat back until you can come up with something worth sending in. You sound like a 13 year old X-Files fan boy.[/p][/quote]....... And you think you're comment IS worthy? Abbey Saint
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8:50am Wed 21 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Sounds like the Daily Royston is at it again!
So will you now admit Williams did say that 1-10 refuse jobs to go & fortnightly collections?
Or are you still under the illusion that Williams doesn't lie?
Say what you like about Royston but all the interviews in this paper & on Telly he spelled it out as it is no matter how unpopular it would make him.
he has been accused of many things some totally disgraceful insinuations but you still attack him?
He said pay cuts you got pay cuts, he said it would preserve refuse jobs he employed more permanent refuse workers ?
Williams said then didn't say only to now say again 1-10 refuse jobs to go & fortnightly collections.
Only through Roystons actions has that not been announced as it was the Tory council that put in for the grant to keep weekly collections so safe guarding those jobs.
if it's unsuccessful let's see how long we keep weekly collections & how many jobs go?
Then we'll see if Royston deserves all these attacks shall we?
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote: Sounds like the Daily Royston is at it again![/p][/quote]So will you now admit Williams did say that 1-10 refuse jobs to go & fortnightly collections? Or are you still under the illusion that Williams doesn't lie? Say what you like about Royston but all the interviews in this paper & on Telly he spelled it out as it is no matter how unpopular it would make him. he has been accused of many things some totally disgraceful insinuations but you still attack him? He said pay cuts you got pay cuts, he said it would preserve refuse jobs he employed more permanent refuse workers ? Williams said then didn't say only to now say again 1-10 refuse jobs to go & fortnightly collections. Only through Roystons actions has that not been announced as it was the Tory council that put in for the grant to keep weekly collections so safe guarding those jobs. if it's unsuccessful let's see how long we keep weekly collections & how many jobs go? Then we'll see if Royston deserves all these attacks shall we? loosehead
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9:00am Wed 21 Nov 12

Lone Ranger. says...

andysaints007 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda.
.
Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions.
.
Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader.
.
Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad
Perhaps you could try just once not to be so boring!
The MOAN Ranger rides again

YAWNNNNNNNNNNNN
Now i know why you dont post on the Saints games and news .......... You know nothing about that either
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: As we have seen before .... Smith will do anything possible to grab the headlines ....... and the sad thing is ... the Echo is very happy to accomodate him and his propaganda. . Perhaps Smith and his Lemmings cant stand the fact that the current Council can and do negotiate and communicate with Unions. . Perhaps its time that the beaten Tories considered replacing their continually failing and unpopular leader. . Perhaps there is some truth in the Unions claims that the Echo IS politicallt biased in favour of the Tories .......... How sad[/p][/quote]Perhaps you could try just once not to be so boring! The MOAN Ranger rides again YAWNNNNNNNNNNNN[/p][/quote]Now i know why you dont post on the Saints games and news .......... You know nothing about that either Lone Ranger.
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9:08am Wed 21 Nov 12

aldermoorboy says...

Labour facts.
Denham would never put himself first.
Williams would never put the public second.
Union leaders care for all their members.
Moan Ranger is a happy man.

If only that were true.
Vote Tory in 2014 for honest councillors.
Labour facts. Denham would never put himself first. Williams would never put the public second. Union leaders care for all their members. Moan Ranger is a happy man. If only that were true. Vote Tory in 2014 for honest councillors. aldermoorboy
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9:13am Wed 21 Nov 12

Abbey Saint says...

Ahhhhh. Politics.

No politician will ever save anything, be it your skin or the entire planet, unless there's something in it for them.

All the political parties are like all the religions - it's about power and control.

Sure there are good people out there, but as soon as their ideas compromise the power and control exercised by their union, religion, political party, whatever; then they're made history in short order.

That's how the human race has ended up with mediocre or worse 'leaders' in positions of power everywhere.

Think about it.
Ahhhhh. Politics. No politician will ever save anything, be it your skin or the entire planet, unless there's something in it for them. All the political parties are like all the religions - it's about power and control. Sure there are good people out there, but as soon as their ideas compromise the power and control exercised by their union, religion, political party, whatever; then they're made history in short order. That's how the human race has ended up with mediocre or worse 'leaders' in positions of power everywhere. Think about it. Abbey Saint
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9:22am Wed 21 Nov 12

Ben Durutti says...

Inform Al wrote:
How droll, I have tried to read all the posts on this article but have not noticed any that actually address the main point of the Echo's article. I have difficulty accepting that the unions helped the Labour group to seize power when at least one Labour candidate was beaten into second place to her Tory opponent due to more votes than the difference between them being taken by the TUSC candidate. Had he not have stood there would now be one more Labour councillor and one less Tory. The only people to help the Labour group to take over were in fact the previous arrogant useless administration and the electorate who where sick to the teeth of them. I have noticed the expected comments on the union paymasters but am personally aware of the methods used by the Tories to encourage rich property owning party donors to cough up, in fact within days of coming to power C'moron overturned the legislation we had taken over ten years to persuade the previous, also useless lot, to enact on HMOs. So very very obvious. One thing I would like to know and perhaps there is someone out there who can help. Does Newsquest have any connections to the Murdochs?
Your point on HMOs is particularly on the mark locally too, as prominent local landlords used their influence with Tory councillors to neuter the council's actions on HMOs.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: How droll, I have tried to read all the posts on this article but have not noticed any that actually address the main point of the Echo's article. I have difficulty accepting that the unions helped the Labour group to seize power when at least one Labour candidate was beaten into second place to her Tory opponent due to more votes than the difference between them being taken by the TUSC candidate. Had he not have stood there would now be one more Labour councillor and one less Tory. The only people to help the Labour group to take over were in fact the previous arrogant useless administration and the electorate who where sick to the teeth of them. I have noticed the expected comments on the union paymasters but am personally aware of the methods used by the Tories to encourage rich property owning party donors to cough up, in fact within days of coming to power C'moron overturned the legislation we had taken over ten years to persuade the previous, also useless lot, to enact on HMOs. So very very obvious. One thing I would like to know and perhaps there is someone out there who can help. Does Newsquest have any connections to the Murdochs?[/p][/quote]Your point on HMOs is particularly on the mark locally too, as prominent local landlords used their influence with Tory councillors to neuter the council's actions on HMOs. Ben Durutti
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11:51am Wed 21 Nov 12

kingnotail says...

This article has a level of blatant right-wing bias that would make the Daily Mail blush.
This article has a level of blatant right-wing bias that would make the Daily Mail blush. kingnotail
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11:52am Wed 21 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Ben Durutti wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
How droll, I have tried to read all the posts on this article but have not noticed any that actually address the main point of the Echo's article. I have difficulty accepting that the unions helped the Labour group to seize power when at least one Labour candidate was beaten into second place to her Tory opponent due to more votes than the difference between them being taken by the TUSC candidate. Had he not have stood there would now be one more Labour councillor and one less Tory. The only people to help the Labour group to take over were in fact the previous arrogant useless administration and the electorate who where sick to the teeth of them. I have noticed the expected comments on the union paymasters but am personally aware of the methods used by the Tories to encourage rich property owning party donors to cough up, in fact within days of coming to power C'moron overturned the legislation we had taken over ten years to persuade the previous, also useless lot, to enact on HMOs. So very very obvious. One thing I would like to know and perhaps there is someone out there who can help. Does Newsquest have any connections to the Murdochs?
Your point on HMOs is particularly on the mark locally too, as prominent local landlords used their influence with Tory councillors to neuter the council's actions on HMOs.
Sorry but looking around Freemantle & seeing all the good family homes either converted into HMO's,Bedsits or flats or knocked down for blocks of Flats under a Labour council I think putting it all down to the Tory council is a bit off the mark
[quote][p][bold]Ben Durutti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: How droll, I have tried to read all the posts on this article but have not noticed any that actually address the main point of the Echo's article. I have difficulty accepting that the unions helped the Labour group to seize power when at least one Labour candidate was beaten into second place to her Tory opponent due to more votes than the difference between them being taken by the TUSC candidate. Had he not have stood there would now be one more Labour councillor and one less Tory. The only people to help the Labour group to take over were in fact the previous arrogant useless administration and the electorate who where sick to the teeth of them. I have noticed the expected comments on the union paymasters but am personally aware of the methods used by the Tories to encourage rich property owning party donors to cough up, in fact within days of coming to power C'moron overturned the legislation we had taken over ten years to persuade the previous, also useless lot, to enact on HMOs. So very very obvious. One thing I would like to know and perhaps there is someone out there who can help. Does Newsquest have any connections to the Murdochs?[/p][/quote]Your point on HMOs is particularly on the mark locally too, as prominent local landlords used their influence with Tory councillors to neuter the council's actions on HMOs.[/p][/quote]Sorry but looking around Freemantle & seeing all the good family homes either converted into HMO's,Bedsits or flats or knocked down for blocks of Flats under a Labour council I think putting it all down to the Tory council is a bit off the mark loosehead
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12:03pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Torchie1 says...

Abbey Saint wrote:
Ahhhhh. Politics.

No politician will ever save anything, be it your skin or the entire planet, unless there's something in it for them.

All the political parties are like all the religions - it's about power and control.

Sure there are good people out there, but as soon as their ideas compromise the power and control exercised by their union, religion, political party, whatever; then they're made history in short order.

That's how the human race has ended up with mediocre or worse 'leaders' in positions of power everywhere.

Think about it.
Would we be better off without "union, religion, political party, whatever;" and allowing the Stalins, Hitlers, Pol-Pots and Castros of this world to run things according to their ideas with no-one to compromise their power and control? Think about that. No system is perfect but we may just have the closest that most agree on.
[quote][p][bold]Abbey Saint[/bold] wrote: Ahhhhh. Politics. No politician will ever save anything, be it your skin or the entire planet, unless there's something in it for them. All the political parties are like all the religions - it's about power and control. Sure there are good people out there, but as soon as their ideas compromise the power and control exercised by their union, religion, political party, whatever; then they're made history in short order. That's how the human race has ended up with mediocre or worse 'leaders' in positions of power everywhere. Think about it.[/p][/quote]Would we be better off without "union, religion, political party, whatever;" and allowing the Stalins, Hitlers, Pol-Pots and Castros of this world to run things according to their ideas with no-one to compromise their power and control? Think about that. No system is perfect but we may just have the closest that most agree on. Torchie1
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12:04pm Wed 21 Nov 12

loosehead says...

kingnotail wrote:
This article has a level of blatant right-wing bias that would make the Daily Mail blush.
So if it was telling the truth about the Tories it would be okay? but tell the truth about two Unions & a Labour Council & you have right wing bias? Get real will you!
[quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: This article has a level of blatant right-wing bias that would make the Daily Mail blush.[/p][/quote]So if it was telling the truth about the Tories it would be okay? but tell the truth about two Unions & a Labour Council & you have right wing bias? Get real will you! loosehead
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12:07pm Wed 21 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Abbey Saint wrote:
Ahhhhh. Politics.

No politician will ever save anything, be it your skin or the entire planet, unless there's something in it for them.

All the political parties are like all the religions - it's about power and control.

Sure there are good people out there, but as soon as their ideas compromise the power and control exercised by their union, religion, political party, whatever; then they're made history in short order.

That's how the human race has ended up with mediocre or worse 'leaders' in positions of power everywhere.

Think about it.
Would we be better off without "union, religion, political party, whatever;" and allowing the Stalins, Hitlers, Pol-Pots and Castros of this world to run things according to their ideas with no-one to compromise their power and control? Think about that. No system is perfect but we may just have the closest that most agree on.
That would be Southy's dream world.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Abbey Saint[/bold] wrote: Ahhhhh. Politics. No politician will ever save anything, be it your skin or the entire planet, unless there's something in it for them. All the political parties are like all the religions - it's about power and control. Sure there are good people out there, but as soon as their ideas compromise the power and control exercised by their union, religion, political party, whatever; then they're made history in short order. That's how the human race has ended up with mediocre or worse 'leaders' in positions of power everywhere. Think about it.[/p][/quote]Would we be better off without "union, religion, political party, whatever;" and allowing the Stalins, Hitlers, Pol-Pots and Castros of this world to run things according to their ideas with no-one to compromise their power and control? Think about that. No system is perfect but we may just have the closest that most agree on.[/p][/quote]That would be Southy's dream world. loosehead
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1:21pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Lone Ranger. says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Labour facts.
Denham would never put himself first.
Williams would never put the public second.
Union leaders care for all their members.
Moan Ranger is a happy man.

If only that were true.
Vote Tory in 2014 for honest councillors.
Dear aldermoorGayBoy ....... you either have an unhealthy obsession with Labour, Denham, Unions or me or you are an extremely sad and lonely person.
.
What i suggest you do is get out more with your Tory chum and deliver more Tory fliers to keep your mind off your obsession.
.
If you want i could probably send you a collage of all four if you want to get off on it
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Labour facts. Denham would never put himself first. Williams would never put the public second. Union leaders care for all their members. Moan Ranger is a happy man. If only that were true. Vote Tory in 2014 for honest councillors.[/p][/quote]Dear aldermoorGayBoy ....... you either have an unhealthy obsession with Labour, Denham, Unions or me or you are an extremely sad and lonely person. . What i suggest you do is get out more with your Tory chum and deliver more Tory fliers to keep your mind off your obsession. . If you want i could probably send you a collage of all four if you want to get off on it Lone Ranger.
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3:53pm Wed 21 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Labour facts.
Denham would never put himself first.
Williams would never put the public second.
Union leaders care for all their members.
Moan Ranger is a happy man.

If only that were true.
Vote Tory in 2014 for honest councillors.
Dear aldermoorGayBoy ....... you either have an unhealthy obsession with Labour, Denham, Unions or me or you are an extremely sad and lonely person.
.
What i suggest you do is get out more with your Tory chum and deliver more Tory fliers to keep your mind off your obsession.
.
If you want i could probably send you a collage of all four if you want to get off on it
You call me names & try to make me out to be a hypocrite & a liar yet when your beloved Labour & unions are proven to be liars which makes you out to be not much better you call into question some ones sexuality?
If Aldermoorboy is or is not GAY is not anything to do with you or me.
He has every right to post his point of view without these type of attacks.
you go on about Gay yet they reckon there were undertones of a sexual matter about Lone Ranger & Tonto.
but I'd never call you Gay as I don't know if you are or see what relevance it has to these posts?
You are a very small minded person who can't see the truth if it hit you in the face so do your self a favour ( & Us) & take Mike Tucker & Woodlands orders & stop reading/posting in this so called right wing paper idiot!
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Labour facts. Denham would never put himself first. Williams would never put the public second. Union leaders care for all their members. Moan Ranger is a happy man. If only that were true. Vote Tory in 2014 for honest councillors.[/p][/quote]Dear aldermoorGayBoy ....... you either have an unhealthy obsession with Labour, Denham, Unions or me or you are an extremely sad and lonely person. . What i suggest you do is get out more with your Tory chum and deliver more Tory fliers to keep your mind off your obsession. . If you want i could probably send you a collage of all four if you want to get off on it[/p][/quote]You call me names & try to make me out to be a hypocrite & a liar yet when your beloved Labour & unions are proven to be liars which makes you out to be not much better you call into question some ones sexuality? If Aldermoorboy is or is not GAY is not anything to do with you or me. He has every right to post his point of view without these type of attacks. you go on about Gay yet they reckon there were undertones of a sexual matter about Lone Ranger & Tonto. but I'd never call you Gay as I don't know if you are or see what relevance it has to these posts? You are a very small minded person who can't see the truth if it hit you in the face so do your self a favour ( & Us) & take Mike Tucker & Woodlands orders & stop reading/posting in this so called right wing paper idiot! loosehead
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6:51pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Lone Ranger. says...

loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Labour facts.
Denham would never put himself first.
Williams would never put the public second.
Union leaders care for all their members.
Moan Ranger is a happy man.

If only that were true.
Vote Tory in 2014 for honest councillors.
Dear aldermoorGayBoy ....... you either have an unhealthy obsession with Labour, Denham, Unions or me or you are an extremely sad and lonely person.
.
What i suggest you do is get out more with your Tory chum and deliver more Tory fliers to keep your mind off your obsession.
.
If you want i could probably send you a collage of all four if you want to get off on it
You call me names & try to make me out to be a hypocrite & a liar yet when your beloved Labour & unions are proven to be liars which makes you out to be not much better you call into question some ones sexuality?
If Aldermoorboy is or is not GAY is not anything to do with you or me.
He has every right to post his point of view without these type of attacks.
you go on about Gay yet they reckon there were undertones of a sexual matter about Lone Ranger & Tonto.
but I'd never call you Gay as I don't know if you are or see what relevance it has to these posts?
You are a very small minded person who can't see the truth if it hit you in the face so do your self a favour ( & Us) & take Mike Tucker & Woodlands orders & stop reading/posting in this so called right wing paper idiot!
Oh dear you are at it again.
.
Incoherent rubbish bearing no resemblence to my post whatsoever.
.
Why dont you let you little friend stick up for himself ....... If he wants to chuck the insults at me then he will get a shed load back .......... as you know.
.
Post your comments ...... and i dont give a toss what they are ...... just as long as they are insults to me
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Labour facts. Denham would never put himself first. Williams would never put the public second. Union leaders care for all their members. Moan Ranger is a happy man. If only that were true. Vote Tory in 2014 for honest councillors.[/p][/quote]Dear aldermoorGayBoy ....... you either have an unhealthy obsession with Labour, Denham, Unions or me or you are an extremely sad and lonely person. . What i suggest you do is get out more with your Tory chum and deliver more Tory fliers to keep your mind off your obsession. . If you want i could probably send you a collage of all four if you want to get off on it[/p][/quote]You call me names & try to make me out to be a hypocrite & a liar yet when your beloved Labour & unions are proven to be liars which makes you out to be not much better you call into question some ones sexuality? If Aldermoorboy is or is not GAY is not anything to do with you or me. He has every right to post his point of view without these type of attacks. you go on about Gay yet they reckon there were undertones of a sexual matter about Lone Ranger & Tonto. but I'd never call you Gay as I don't know if you are or see what relevance it has to these posts? You are a very small minded person who can't see the truth if it hit you in the face so do your self a favour ( & Us) & take Mike Tucker & Woodlands orders & stop reading/posting in this so called right wing paper idiot![/p][/quote]Oh dear you are at it again. . Incoherent rubbish bearing no resemblence to my post whatsoever. . Why dont you let you little friend stick up for himself ....... If he wants to chuck the insults at me then he will get a shed load back .......... as you know. . Post your comments ...... and i dont give a toss what they are ...... just as long as they are insults to me Lone Ranger.
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9:26pm Wed 21 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Labour facts.
Denham would never put himself first.
Williams would never put the public second.
Union leaders care for all their members.
Moan Ranger is a happy man.

If only that were true.
Vote Tory in 2014 for honest councillors.
Dear aldermoorGayBoy ....... you either have an unhealthy obsession with Labour, Denham, Unions or me or you are an extremely sad and lonely person.
.
What i suggest you do is get out more with your Tory chum and deliver more Tory fliers to keep your mind off your obsession.
.
If you want i could probably send you a collage of all four if you want to get off on it
You call me names & try to make me out to be a hypocrite & a liar yet when your beloved Labour & unions are proven to be liars which makes you out to be not much better you call into question some ones sexuality?
If Aldermoorboy is or is not GAY is not anything to do with you or me.
He has every right to post his point of view without these type of attacks.
you go on about Gay yet they reckon there were undertones of a sexual matter about Lone Ranger & Tonto.
but I'd never call you Gay as I don't know if you are or see what relevance it has to these posts?
You are a very small minded person who can't see the truth if it hit you in the face so do your self a favour ( & Us) & take Mike Tucker & Woodlands orders & stop reading/posting in this so called right wing paper idiot!
Oh dear you are at it again.
.
Incoherent rubbish bearing no resemblence to my post whatsoever.
.
Why dont you let you little friend stick up for himself ....... If he wants to chuck the insults at me then he will get a shed load back .......... as you know.
.
Post your comments ...... and i dont give a toss what they are ...... just as long as they are insults to me
If your Labour & Union heroes are of the same level of intelligence as you no wonder were in such a state.
Lone Ranger get on your horse & do one as I for one can't stand a Liar & a sore loser.
All the rubbish you've posted on here & now the truth is out about your beloved Labour Party & Unions & what do you resort to?
Insults telling people their posts are incoherent rants?
I hope you sleep well at night & you have a great Christmas & New Year whilst those that have been betrayed by Labour & the Unions have lost their jobs.
Join a Union & get Shafted.
Vote Labour & get shafted.
Vote Tory & get the truth
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Labour facts. Denham would never put himself first. Williams would never put the public second. Union leaders care for all their members. Moan Ranger is a happy man. If only that were true. Vote Tory in 2014 for honest councillors.[/p][/quote]Dear aldermoorGayBoy ....... you either have an unhealthy obsession with Labour, Denham, Unions or me or you are an extremely sad and lonely person. . What i suggest you do is get out more with your Tory chum and deliver more Tory fliers to keep your mind off your obsession. . If you want i could probably send you a collage of all four if you want to get off on it[/p][/quote]You call me names & try to make me out to be a hypocrite & a liar yet when your beloved Labour & unions are proven to be liars which makes you out to be not much better you call into question some ones sexuality? If Aldermoorboy is or is not GAY is not anything to do with you or me. He has every right to post his point of view without these type of attacks. you go on about Gay yet they reckon there were undertones of a sexual matter about Lone Ranger & Tonto. but I'd never call you Gay as I don't know if you are or see what relevance it has to these posts? You are a very small minded person who can't see the truth if it hit you in the face so do your self a favour ( & Us) & take Mike Tucker & Woodlands orders & stop reading/posting in this so called right wing paper idiot![/p][/quote]Oh dear you are at it again. . Incoherent rubbish bearing no resemblence to my post whatsoever. . Why dont you let you little friend stick up for himself ....... If he wants to chuck the insults at me then he will get a shed load back .......... as you know. . Post your comments ...... and i dont give a toss what they are ...... just as long as they are insults to me[/p][/quote]If your Labour & Union heroes are of the same level of intelligence as you no wonder were in such a state. Lone Ranger get on your horse & do one as I for one can't stand a Liar & a sore loser. All the rubbish you've posted on here & now the truth is out about your beloved Labour Party & Unions & what do you resort to? Insults telling people their posts are incoherent rants? I hope you sleep well at night & you have a great Christmas & New Year whilst those that have been betrayed by Labour & the Unions have lost their jobs. Join a Union & get Shafted. Vote Labour & get shafted. Vote Tory & get the truth loosehead
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9:24am Thu 22 Nov 12

Lone Ranger. says...

loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Labour facts.
Denham would never put himself first.
Williams would never put the public second.
Union leaders care for all their members.
Moan Ranger is a happy man.

If only that were true.
Vote Tory in 2014 for honest councillors.
Dear aldermoorGayBoy ....... you either have an unhealthy obsession with Labour, Denham, Unions or me or you are an extremely sad and lonely person.
.
What i suggest you do is get out more with your Tory chum and deliver more Tory fliers to keep your mind off your obsession.
.
If you want i could probably send you a collage of all four if you want to get off on it
You call me names & try to make me out to be a hypocrite & a liar yet when your beloved Labour & unions are proven to be liars which makes you out to be not much better you call into question some ones sexuality?
If Aldermoorboy is or is not GAY is not anything to do with you or me.
He has every right to post his point of view without these type of attacks.
you go on about Gay yet they reckon there were undertones of a sexual matter about Lone Ranger & Tonto.
but I'd never call you Gay as I don't know if you are or see what relevance it has to these posts?
You are a very small minded person who can't see the truth if it hit you in the face so do your self a favour ( & Us) & take Mike Tucker & Woodlands orders & stop reading/posting in this so called right wing paper idiot!
Oh dear you are at it again.
.
Incoherent rubbish bearing no resemblence to my post whatsoever.
.
Why dont you let you little friend stick up for himself ....... If he wants to chuck the insults at me then he will get a shed load back .......... as you know.
.
Post your comments ...... and i dont give a toss what they are ...... just as long as they are insults to me
If your Labour & Union heroes are of the same level of intelligence as you no wonder were in such a state.
Lone Ranger get on your horse & do one as I for one can't stand a Liar & a sore loser.
All the rubbish you've posted on here & now the truth is out about your beloved Labour Party & Unions & what do you resort to?
Insults telling people their posts are incoherent rants?
I hope you sleep well at night & you have a great Christmas & New Year whilst those that have been betrayed by Labour & the Unions have lost their jobs.
Join a Union & get Shafted.
Vote Labour & get shafted.
Vote Tory & get the truth
If you think, that me telling you, that your posts are "incoherent" rants is an insult then i suggest that you read what others post about you ....... They are not compliments !!.
.
Equally .... how strange it is that apart from you mate in Aldermoor no one actual;ly ever supports your posts....... You are a one man crusade and probably an embarassment to the party that you think you are supporting.
.
Still ........ it give me a good laugh.
.
Oh yes .... and i do sleep very well thanks
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Labour facts. Denham would never put himself first. Williams would never put the public second. Union leaders care for all their members. Moan Ranger is a happy man. If only that were true. Vote Tory in 2014 for honest councillors.[/p][/quote]Dear aldermoorGayBoy ....... you either have an unhealthy obsession with Labour, Denham, Unions or me or you are an extremely sad and lonely person. . What i suggest you do is get out more with your Tory chum and deliver more Tory fliers to keep your mind off your obsession. . If you want i could probably send you a collage of all four if you want to get off on it[/p][/quote]You call me names & try to make me out to be a hypocrite & a liar yet when your beloved Labour & unions are proven to be liars which makes you out to be not much better you call into question some ones sexuality? If Aldermoorboy is or is not GAY is not anything to do with you or me. He has every right to post his point of view without these type of attacks. you go on about Gay yet they reckon there were undertones of a sexual matter about Lone Ranger & Tonto. but I'd never call you Gay as I don't know if you are or see what relevance it has to these posts? You are a very small minded person who can't see the truth if it hit you in the face so do your self a favour ( & Us) & take Mike Tucker & Woodlands orders & stop reading/posting in this so called right wing paper idiot![/p][/quote]Oh dear you are at it again. . Incoherent rubbish bearing no resemblence to my post whatsoever. . Why dont you let you little friend stick up for himself ....... If he wants to chuck the insults at me then he will get a shed load back .......... as you know. . Post your comments ...... and i dont give a toss what they are ...... just as long as they are insults to me[/p][/quote]If your Labour & Union heroes are of the same level of intelligence as you no wonder were in such a state. Lone Ranger get on your horse & do one as I for one can't stand a Liar & a sore loser. All the rubbish you've posted on here & now the truth is out about your beloved Labour Party & Unions & what do you resort to? Insults telling people their posts are incoherent rants? I hope you sleep well at night & you have a great Christmas & New Year whilst those that have been betrayed by Labour & the Unions have lost their jobs. Join a Union & get Shafted. Vote Labour & get shafted. Vote Tory & get the truth[/p][/quote]If you think, that me telling you, that your posts are "incoherent" rants is an insult then i suggest that you read what others post about you ....... They are not compliments !!. . Equally .... how strange it is that apart from you mate in Aldermoor no one actual;ly ever supports your posts....... You are a one man crusade and probably an embarassment to the party that you think you are supporting. . Still ........ it give me a good laugh. . Oh yes .... and i do sleep very well thanks Lone Ranger.
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10:08am Thu 22 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Labour facts.
Denham would never put himself first.
Williams would never put the public second.
Union leaders care for all their members.
Moan Ranger is a happy man.

If only that were true.
Vote Tory in 2014 for honest councillors.
Dear aldermoorGayBoy ....... you either have an unhealthy obsession with Labour, Denham, Unions or me or you are an extremely sad and lonely person.
.
What i suggest you do is get out more with your Tory chum and deliver more Tory fliers to keep your mind off your obsession.
.
If you want i could probably send you a collage of all four if you want to get off on it
You call me names & try to make me out to be a hypocrite & a liar yet when your beloved Labour & unions are proven to be liars which makes you out to be not much better you call into question some ones sexuality?
If Aldermoorboy is or is not GAY is not anything to do with you or me.
He has every right to post his point of view without these type of attacks.
you go on about Gay yet they reckon there were undertones of a sexual matter about Lone Ranger & Tonto.
but I'd never call you Gay as I don't know if you are or see what relevance it has to these posts?
You are a very small minded person who can't see the truth if it hit you in the face so do your self a favour ( & Us) & take Mike Tucker & Woodlands orders & stop reading/posting in this so called right wing paper idiot!
Oh dear you are at it again.
.
Incoherent rubbish bearing no resemblence to my post whatsoever.
.
Why dont you let you little friend stick up for himself ....... If he wants to chuck the insults at me then he will get a shed load back .......... as you know.
.
Post your comments ...... and i dont give a toss what they are ...... just as long as they are insults to me
If your Labour & Union heroes are of the same level of intelligence as you no wonder were in such a state.
Lone Ranger get on your horse & do one as I for one can't stand a Liar & a sore loser.
All the rubbish you've posted on here & now the truth is out about your beloved Labour Party & Unions & what do you resort to?
Insults telling people their posts are incoherent rants?
I hope you sleep well at night & you have a great Christmas & New Year whilst those that have been betrayed by Labour & the Unions have lost their jobs.
Join a Union & get Shafted.
Vote Labour & get shafted.
Vote Tory & get the truth
If you think, that me telling you, that your posts are "incoherent" rants is an insult then i suggest that you read what others post about you ....... They are not compliments !!.
.
Equally .... how strange it is that apart from you mate in Aldermoor no one actual;ly ever supports your posts....... You are a one man crusade and probably an embarassment to the party that you think you are supporting.
.
Still ........ it give me a good laugh.
.
Oh yes .... and i do sleep very well thanks
So you read these posts with your eyes closed?Shoong,Ironla
dy Soton lets pull together are just a few who agree with me but besides Linesman & Paramjit I don't see many backing your drivel especially now the truth is out!
Why not say your name as Paramjit seems to think you know Denham quite well?
Oh! have you replied to him about the allegations made4 about Denham?
Or is it more to do with it being the truth & you hate admitting to anyone Anti your ideas speaking the truth.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Labour facts. Denham would never put himself first. Williams would never put the public second. Union leaders care for all their members. Moan Ranger is a happy man. If only that were true. Vote Tory in 2014 for honest councillors.[/p][/quote]Dear aldermoorGayBoy ....... you either have an unhealthy obsession with Labour, Denham, Unions or me or you are an extremely sad and lonely person. . What i suggest you do is get out more with your Tory chum and deliver more Tory fliers to keep your mind off your obsession. . If you want i could probably send you a collage of all four if you want to get off on it[/p][/quote]You call me names & try to make me out to be a hypocrite & a liar yet when your beloved Labour & unions are proven to be liars which makes you out to be not much better you call into question some ones sexuality? If Aldermoorboy is or is not GAY is not anything to do with you or me. He has every right to post his point of view without these type of attacks. you go on about Gay yet they reckon there were undertones of a sexual matter about Lone Ranger & Tonto. but I'd never call you Gay as I don't know if you are or see what relevance it has to these posts? You are a very small minded person who can't see the truth if it hit you in the face so do your self a favour ( & Us) & take Mike Tucker & Woodlands orders & stop reading/posting in this so called right wing paper idiot![/p][/quote]Oh dear you are at it again. . Incoherent rubbish bearing no resemblence to my post whatsoever. . Why dont you let you little friend stick up for himself ....... If he wants to chuck the insults at me then he will get a shed load back .......... as you know. . Post your comments ...... and i dont give a toss what they are ...... just as long as they are insults to me[/p][/quote]If your Labour & Union heroes are of the same level of intelligence as you no wonder were in such a state. Lone Ranger get on your horse & do one as I for one can't stand a Liar & a sore loser. All the rubbish you've posted on here & now the truth is out about your beloved Labour Party & Unions & what do you resort to? Insults telling people their posts are incoherent rants? I hope you sleep well at night & you have a great Christmas & New Year whilst those that have been betrayed by Labour & the Unions have lost their jobs. Join a Union & get Shafted. Vote Labour & get shafted. Vote Tory & get the truth[/p][/quote]If you think, that me telling you, that your posts are "incoherent" rants is an insult then i suggest that you read what others post about you ....... They are not compliments !!. . Equally .... how strange it is that apart from you mate in Aldermoor no one actual;ly ever supports your posts....... You are a one man crusade and probably an embarassment to the party that you think you are supporting. . Still ........ it give me a good laugh. . Oh yes .... and i do sleep very well thanks[/p][/quote]So you read these posts with your eyes closed?Shoong,Ironla dy Soton lets pull together are just a few who agree with me but besides Linesman & Paramjit I don't see many backing your drivel especially now the truth is out! Why not say your name as Paramjit seems to think you know Denham quite well? Oh! have you replied to him about the allegations made4 about Denham? Or is it more to do with it being the truth & you hate admitting to anyone Anti your ideas speaking the truth. loosehead
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10:58am Thu 22 Nov 12

aldermoorboy says...

Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter. I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young. Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well. All have a good day what ever your views. aldermoorboy
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11:46am Thu 22 Nov 12

Lone Ranger. says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.
I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory.
.
Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter. I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young. Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well. All have a good day what ever your views.[/p][/quote]I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory. . Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........ Lone Ranger.
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12:37pm Thu 22 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.
I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory.
.
Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........
So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate?
I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you?
You support Labour locally & Nationally?
Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North?
So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not?
No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city?
you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are.
Did you love June Bridles Council?
do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars?
talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours?
So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city?
None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are.
Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you?
What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter. I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young. Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well. All have a good day what ever your views.[/p][/quote]I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory. . Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........[/p][/quote]So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate? I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you? You support Labour locally & Nationally? Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North? So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not? No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city? you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are. Did you love June Bridles Council? do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars? talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours? So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city? None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are. Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you? What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you? loosehead
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12:41pm Thu 22 Nov 12

loosehead says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.
Lone Ranger wants not to hear from me & says I'm an embarrassment to the Tory Party.
I print the truth so I'm sorry if I've embarrassed you or any the Tory poster on here if people like you tell me to stop posting I will but not Left Ranger
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter. I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young. Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well. All have a good day what ever your views.[/p][/quote]Lone Ranger wants not to hear from me & says I'm an embarrassment to the Tory Party. I print the truth so I'm sorry if I've embarrassed you or any the Tory poster on here if people like you tell me to stop posting I will but not Left Ranger loosehead
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2:03pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Lone Ranger. says...

loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.
I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory.
.
Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........
So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate?
I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you?
You support Labour locally & Nationally?
Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North?
So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not?
No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city?
you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are.
Did you love June Bridles Council?
do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars?
talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours?
So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city?
None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are.
Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you?
What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?
Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it.
.
Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community".
.
Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch.
.
Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter. I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young. Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well. All have a good day what ever your views.[/p][/quote]I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory. . Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........[/p][/quote]So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate? I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you? You support Labour locally & Nationally? Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North? So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not? No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city? you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are. Did you love June Bridles Council? do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars? talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours? So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city? None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are. Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you? What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?[/p][/quote]Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it. . Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community". . Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch. . Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work Lone Ranger.
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2:07pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Lone Ranger. says...

loosehead wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.
Lone Ranger wants not to hear from me & says I'm an embarrassment to the Tory Party.
I print the truth so I'm sorry if I've embarrassed you or any the Tory poster on here if people like you tell me to stop posting I will but not Left Ranger
You wouldnt know the truth if you tripped over it.
.
All of your facts come from a Tory website, the Echo or hearsay.
.
As i said before ...... post what you like as it keeps me amused ..........
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter. I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young. Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well. All have a good day what ever your views.[/p][/quote]Lone Ranger wants not to hear from me & says I'm an embarrassment to the Tory Party. I print the truth so I'm sorry if I've embarrassed you or any the Tory poster on here if people like you tell me to stop posting I will but not Left Ranger[/p][/quote]You wouldnt know the truth if you tripped over it. . All of your facts come from a Tory website, the Echo or hearsay. . As i said before ...... post what you like as it keeps me amused .......... Lone Ranger.
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3:19pm Thu 22 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.
I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory.
.
Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........
So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate?
I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you?
You support Labour locally & Nationally?
Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North?
So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not?
No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city?
you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are.
Did you love June Bridles Council?
do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars?
talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours?
So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city?
None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are.
Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you?
What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?
Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it.
.
Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community".
.
Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch.
.
Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work
YAWN
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter. I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young. Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well. All have a good day what ever your views.[/p][/quote]I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory. . Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........[/p][/quote]So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate? I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you? You support Labour locally & Nationally? Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North? So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not? No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city? you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are. Did you love June Bridles Council? do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars? talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours? So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city? None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are. Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you? What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?[/p][/quote]Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it. . Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community". . Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch. . Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work[/p][/quote]YAWN loosehead
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3:24pm Thu 22 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.
Lone Ranger wants not to hear from me & says I'm an embarrassment to the Tory Party.
I print the truth so I'm sorry if I've embarrassed you or any the Tory poster on here if people like you tell me to stop posting I will but not Left Ranger
You wouldnt know the truth if you tripped over it.
.
All of your facts come from a Tory website, the Echo or hearsay.
.
As i said before ...... post what you like as it keeps me amused ..........
I wouldn't know the truth?
bit rich from someone who can't admit his party are total liars.
a bit rich when your union mates knew about the councils budget proposals before the meeting to vote on the council proposal on pay restoration?
Tory Website? please tell me where that is?
Echo? why are you saying the Echo is lying about Labour? the same paper that printed an interview with your leader & he called it a misquote only to put it into action now? who's lying?
People like you are a waste of time unlike you if I get it totally wrong I apologise you can't see your wrong your so up yourself your always right aren't you?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter. I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young. Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well. All have a good day what ever your views.[/p][/quote]Lone Ranger wants not to hear from me & says I'm an embarrassment to the Tory Party. I print the truth so I'm sorry if I've embarrassed you or any the Tory poster on here if people like you tell me to stop posting I will but not Left Ranger[/p][/quote]You wouldnt know the truth if you tripped over it. . All of your facts come from a Tory website, the Echo or hearsay. . As i said before ...... post what you like as it keeps me amused ..........[/p][/quote]I wouldn't know the truth? bit rich from someone who can't admit his party are total liars. a bit rich when your union mates knew about the councils budget proposals before the meeting to vote on the council proposal on pay restoration? Tory Website? please tell me where that is? Echo? why are you saying the Echo is lying about Labour? the same paper that printed an interview with your leader & he called it a misquote only to put it into action now? who's lying? People like you are a waste of time unlike you if I get it totally wrong I apologise you can't see your wrong your so up yourself your always right aren't you? loosehead
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4:45pm Thu 22 Nov 12

aldermoorboy says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.
Lone Ranger wants not to hear from me & says I'm an embarrassment to the Tory Party.
I print the truth so I'm sorry if I've embarrassed you or any the Tory poster on here if people like you tell me to stop posting I will but not Left Ranger
Keep posting Loosehead, I like your honesty and without people like you the public would not know the truth.
aldermoorboy wrote: Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter. I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young. Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well. All have a good day what ever your views. Lone Ranger wants not to hear from me & says I'm an embarrassment to the Tory Party. I print the truth so I'm sorry if I've embarrassed you or any the Tory poster on here if people like you tell me to stop posting I will but not Left Ranger Keep posting Loosehead, I like your honesty and without people like you the public would not know the truth. aldermoorboy
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4:45pm Thu 22 Nov 12

aldermoorboy says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.
Lone Ranger wants not to hear from me & says I'm an embarrassment to the Tory Party.
I print the truth so I'm sorry if I've embarrassed you or any the Tory poster on here if people like you tell me to stop posting I will but not Left Ranger
Keep posting Loosehead, I like your honesty and without people like you the public would not know the truth.
aldermoorboy wrote: Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter. I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young. Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well. All have a good day what ever your views. Lone Ranger wants not to hear from me & says I'm an embarrassment to the Tory Party. I print the truth so I'm sorry if I've embarrassed you or any the Tory poster on here if people like you tell me to stop posting I will but not Left Ranger Keep posting Loosehead, I like your honesty and without people like you the public would not know the truth. aldermoorboy
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6:58pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Lone Ranger. says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.
Lone Ranger wants not to hear from me & says I'm an embarrassment to the Tory Party.
I print the truth so I'm sorry if I've embarrassed you or any the Tory poster on here if people like you tell me to stop posting I will but not Left Ranger
Keep posting Loosehead, I like your honesty and without people like you the public would not know the truth.
PMSL
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: aldermoorboy wrote: Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter. I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young. Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well. All have a good day what ever your views. Lone Ranger wants not to hear from me & says I'm an embarrassment to the Tory Party. I print the truth so I'm sorry if I've embarrassed you or any the Tory poster on here if people like you tell me to stop posting I will but not Left Ranger Keep posting Loosehead, I like your honesty and without people like you the public would not know the truth.[/p][/quote]PMSL Lone Ranger.
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7:00pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Lone Ranger. says...

loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.
I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory.
.
Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........
So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate?
I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you?
You support Labour locally & Nationally?
Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North?
So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not?
No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city?
you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are.
Did you love June Bridles Council?
do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars?
talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours?
So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city?
None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are.
Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you?
What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?
Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it.
.
Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community".
.
Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch.
.
Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work
YAWN
When you have nothing to say put in a YAWN .......... Sums up your inteligence .. or lack of it
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter. I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young. Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well. All have a good day what ever your views.[/p][/quote]I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory. . Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........[/p][/quote]So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate? I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you? You support Labour locally & Nationally? Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North? So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not? No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city? you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are. Did you love June Bridles Council? do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars? talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours? So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city? None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are. Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you? What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?[/p][/quote]Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it. . Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community". . Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch. . Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work[/p][/quote]YAWN[/p][/quote]When you have nothing to say put in a YAWN .......... Sums up your inteligence .. or lack of it Lone Ranger.
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9:09pm Thu 22 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.
I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory.
.
Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........
So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate?
I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you?
You support Labour locally & Nationally?
Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North?
So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not?
No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city?
you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are.
Did you love June Bridles Council?
do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars?
talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours?
So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city?
None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are.
Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you?
What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?
Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it.
.
Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community".
.
Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch.
.
Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work
YAWN
When you have nothing to say put in a YAWN .......... Sums up your inteligence .. or lack of it
I meant to put YAWN what a bore you are.
Like Southy you can only see one thing with him it's Maggies fault with you it's not Labours because they're great?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter. I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young. Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well. All have a good day what ever your views.[/p][/quote]I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory. . Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........[/p][/quote]So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate? I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you? You support Labour locally & Nationally? Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North? So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not? No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city? you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are. Did you love June Bridles Council? do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars? talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours? So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city? None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are. Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you? What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?[/p][/quote]Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it. . Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community". . Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch. . Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work[/p][/quote]YAWN[/p][/quote]When you have nothing to say put in a YAWN .......... Sums up your inteligence .. or lack of it[/p][/quote]I meant to put YAWN what a bore you are. Like Southy you can only see one thing with him it's Maggies fault with you it's not Labours because they're great? loosehead
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10:09am Fri 23 Nov 12

Lone Ranger. says...

loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.
I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory.
.
Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........
So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate?
I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you?
You support Labour locally & Nationally?
Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North?
So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not?
No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city?
you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are.
Did you love June Bridles Council?
do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars?
talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours?
So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city?
None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are.
Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you?
What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?
Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it.
.
Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community".
.
Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch.
.
Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work
YAWN
When you have nothing to say put in a YAWN .......... Sums up your inteligence .. or lack of it
I meant to put YAWN what a bore you are.
Like Southy you can only see one thing with him it's Maggies fault with you it's not Labours because they're great?
If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person alive
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter. I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young. Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well. All have a good day what ever your views.[/p][/quote]I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory. . Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........[/p][/quote]So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate? I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you? You support Labour locally & Nationally? Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North? So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not? No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city? you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are. Did you love June Bridles Council? do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars? talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours? So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city? None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are. Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you? What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?[/p][/quote]Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it. . Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community". . Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch. . Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work[/p][/quote]YAWN[/p][/quote]When you have nothing to say put in a YAWN .......... Sums up your inteligence .. or lack of it[/p][/quote]I meant to put YAWN what a bore you are. Like Southy you can only see one thing with him it's Maggies fault with you it's not Labours because they're great?[/p][/quote]If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person alive Lone Ranger.
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11:58am Fri 23 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.
I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory.
.
Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........
So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate?
I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you?
You support Labour locally & Nationally?
Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North?
So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not?
No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city?
you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are.
Did you love June Bridles Council?
do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars?
talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours?
So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city?
None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are.
Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you?
What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?
Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it.
.
Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community".
.
Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch.
.
Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work
YAWN
When you have nothing to say put in a YAWN .......... Sums up your inteligence .. or lack of it
I meant to put YAWN what a bore you are.
Like Southy you can only see one thing with him it's Maggies fault with you it's not Labours because they're great?
If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person alive
So in or out of the EU?
Do you belong to the Pre Young Labour group who promised a referendum on the EU or are you Pro EU?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter. I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young. Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well. All have a good day what ever your views.[/p][/quote]I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory. . Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........[/p][/quote]So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate? I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you? You support Labour locally & Nationally? Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North? So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not? No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city? you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are. Did you love June Bridles Council? do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars? talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours? So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city? None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are. Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you? What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?[/p][/quote]Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it. . Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community". . Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch. . Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work[/p][/quote]YAWN[/p][/quote]When you have nothing to say put in a YAWN .......... Sums up your inteligence .. or lack of it[/p][/quote]I meant to put YAWN what a bore you are. Like Southy you can only see one thing with him it's Maggies fault with you it's not Labours because they're great?[/p][/quote]If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person alive[/p][/quote]So in or out of the EU? Do you belong to the Pre Young Labour group who promised a referendum on the EU or are you Pro EU? loosehead
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2:40pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Lone Ranger. says...

loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.
I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory.
.
Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........
So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate?
I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you?
You support Labour locally & Nationally?
Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North?
So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not?
No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city?
you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are.
Did you love June Bridles Council?
do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars?
talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours?
So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city?
None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are.
Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you?
What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?
Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it.
.
Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community".
.
Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch.
.
Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work
YAWN
When you have nothing to say put in a YAWN .......... Sums up your inteligence .. or lack of it
I meant to put YAWN what a bore you are.
Like Southy you can only see one thing with him it's Maggies fault with you it's not Labours because they're great?
If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person alive
So in or out of the EU?
Do you belong to the Pre Young Labour group who promised a referendum on the EU or are you Pro EU?
Is your head really screwed on or what.
.
Total gibberish ....... What the hell has your question go to do with anything
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter. I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young. Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well. All have a good day what ever your views.[/p][/quote]I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory. . Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........[/p][/quote]So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate? I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you? You support Labour locally & Nationally? Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North? So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not? No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city? you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are. Did you love June Bridles Council? do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars? talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours? So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city? None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are. Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you? What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?[/p][/quote]Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it. . Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community". . Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch. . Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work[/p][/quote]YAWN[/p][/quote]When you have nothing to say put in a YAWN .......... Sums up your inteligence .. or lack of it[/p][/quote]I meant to put YAWN what a bore you are. Like Southy you can only see one thing with him it's Maggies fault with you it's not Labours because they're great?[/p][/quote]If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person alive[/p][/quote]So in or out of the EU? Do you belong to the Pre Young Labour group who promised a referendum on the EU or are you Pro EU?[/p][/quote]Is your head really screwed on or what. . Total gibberish ....... What the hell has your question go to do with anything Lone Ranger.
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3:46pm Fri 23 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.
I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory.
.
Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........
So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate?
I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you?
You support Labour locally & Nationally?
Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North?
So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not?
No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city?
you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are.
Did you love June Bridles Council?
do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars?
talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours?
So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city?
None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are.
Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you?
What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?
Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it.
.
Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community".
.
Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch.
.
Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work
YAWN
When you have nothing to say put in a YAWN .......... Sums up your inteligence .. or lack of it
I meant to put YAWN what a bore you are.
Like Southy you can only see one thing with him it's Maggies fault with you it's not Labours because they're great?
If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person alive
So in or out of the EU?
Do you belong to the Pre Young Labour group who promised a referendum on the EU or are you Pro EU?
Is your head really screwed on or what.
.
Total gibberish ....... What the hell has your question go to do with anything
Thought I'd change the subject before I lowered myself to your level!
You are out just to attack anything I say as you know Labour & the Unions have been found out So why not just admit your Party conned the Workers with the help of Tucker & woodland & totally lied to get elected or are you to intelligent to do that you know unlike your leader TELL THE TRUTH
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter. I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young. Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well. All have a good day what ever your views.[/p][/quote]I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory. . Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........[/p][/quote]So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate? I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you? You support Labour locally & Nationally? Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North? So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not? No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city? you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are. Did you love June Bridles Council? do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars? talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours? So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city? None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are. Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you? What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?[/p][/quote]Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it. . Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community". . Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch. . Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work[/p][/quote]YAWN[/p][/quote]When you have nothing to say put in a YAWN .......... Sums up your inteligence .. or lack of it[/p][/quote]I meant to put YAWN what a bore you are. Like Southy you can only see one thing with him it's Maggies fault with you it's not Labours because they're great?[/p][/quote]If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person alive[/p][/quote]So in or out of the EU? Do you belong to the Pre Young Labour group who promised a referendum on the EU or are you Pro EU?[/p][/quote]Is your head really screwed on or what. . Total gibberish ....... What the hell has your question go to do with anything[/p][/quote]Thought I'd change the subject before I lowered myself to your level! You are out just to attack anything I say as you know Labour & the Unions have been found out So why not just admit your Party conned the Workers with the help of Tucker & woodland & totally lied to get elected or are you to intelligent to do that you know unlike your leader TELL THE TRUTH loosehead
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7:06pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Lone Ranger. says...

loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.
I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory.
.
Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........
So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate?
I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you?
You support Labour locally & Nationally?
Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North?
So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not?
No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city?
you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are.
Did you love June Bridles Council?
do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars?
talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours?
So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city?
None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are.
Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you?
What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?
Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it.
.
Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community".
.
Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch.
.
Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work
YAWN
When you have nothing to say put in a YAWN .......... Sums up your inteligence .. or lack of it
I meant to put YAWN what a bore you are.
Like Southy you can only see one thing with him it's Maggies fault with you it's not Labours because they're great?
If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person alive
So in or out of the EU?
Do you belong to the Pre Young Labour group who promised a referendum on the EU or are you Pro EU?
Is your head really screwed on or what.
.
Total gibberish ....... What the hell has your question go to do with anything
Thought I'd change the subject before I lowered myself to your level!
You are out just to attack anything I say as you know Labour & the Unions have been found out So why not just admit your Party conned the Workers with the help of Tucker & woodland & totally lied to get elected or are you to intelligent to do that you know unlike your leader TELL THE TRUTH
Trust me ..... You are way below my level.
.
Most of the time you change the subject. Now whether that has something to do with a very short attentive span or you are quite simply stupid i am not too sure but i sometimes wonder if you should be out on the streets after dark.
.
Now in my mind anybody that makes up stories about me and one or two others on here about threatening you are really extremely exagerated and slanderous.
.
On top of that to disgustingly post that you are worried about your wife going outside because of it ....... is from the mind of a mad man.
.
To cap it all, to post to Para Bahia these lies is quite simply down right vile.
.
You are a disgusting little man and yes, now you've asked for it, the proof that you are a LIAR
.
THATS THE TRUTH
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter. I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young. Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well. All have a good day what ever your views.[/p][/quote]I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory. . Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........[/p][/quote]So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate? I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you? You support Labour locally & Nationally? Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North? So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not? No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city? you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are. Did you love June Bridles Council? do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars? talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours? So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city? None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are. Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you? What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?[/p][/quote]Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it. . Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community". . Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch. . Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work[/p][/quote]YAWN[/p][/quote]When you have nothing to say put in a YAWN .......... Sums up your inteligence .. or lack of it[/p][/quote]I meant to put YAWN what a bore you are. Like Southy you can only see one thing with him it's Maggies fault with you it's not Labours because they're great?[/p][/quote]If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person alive[/p][/quote]So in or out of the EU? Do you belong to the Pre Young Labour group who promised a referendum on the EU or are you Pro EU?[/p][/quote]Is your head really screwed on or what. . Total gibberish ....... What the hell has your question go to do with anything[/p][/quote]Thought I'd change the subject before I lowered myself to your level! You are out just to attack anything I say as you know Labour & the Unions have been found out So why not just admit your Party conned the Workers with the help of Tucker & woodland & totally lied to get elected or are you to intelligent to do that you know unlike your leader TELL THE TRUTH[/p][/quote]Trust me ..... You are way below my level. . Most of the time you change the subject. Now whether that has something to do with a very short attentive span or you are quite simply stupid i am not too sure but i sometimes wonder if you should be out on the streets after dark. . Now in my mind anybody that makes up stories about me and one or two others on here about threatening you are really extremely exagerated and slanderous. . On top of that to disgustingly post that you are worried about your wife going outside because of it ....... is from the mind of a mad man. . To cap it all, to post to Para Bahia these lies is quite simply down right vile. . You are a disgusting little man and yes, now you've asked for it, the proof that you are a LIAR . THATS THE TRUTH Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 0

9:26pm Fri 23 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.
I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory.
.
Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........
So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate?
I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you?
You support Labour locally & Nationally?
Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North?
So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not?
No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city?
you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are.
Did you love June Bridles Council?
do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars?
talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours?
So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city?
None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are.
Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you?
What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?
Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it.
.
Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community".
.
Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch.
.
Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work
YAWN
When you have nothing to say put in a YAWN .......... Sums up your inteligence .. or lack of it
I meant to put YAWN what a bore you are.
Like Southy you can only see one thing with him it's Maggies fault with you it's not Labours because they're great?
If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person alive
So in or out of the EU?
Do you belong to the Pre Young Labour group who promised a referendum on the EU or are you Pro EU?
Is your head really screwed on or what.
.
Total gibberish ....... What the hell has your question go to do with anything
Thought I'd change the subject before I lowered myself to your level!
You are out just to attack anything I say as you know Labour & the Unions have been found out So why not just admit your Party conned the Workers with the help of Tucker & woodland & totally lied to get elected or are you to intelligent to do that you know unlike your leader TELL THE TRUTH
Trust me ..... You are way below my level.
.
Most of the time you change the subject. Now whether that has something to do with a very short attentive span or you are quite simply stupid i am not too sure but i sometimes wonder if you should be out on the streets after dark.
.
Now in my mind anybody that makes up stories about me and one or two others on here about threatening you are really extremely exagerated and slanderous.
.
On top of that to disgustingly post that you are worried about your wife going outside because of it ....... is from the mind of a mad man.
.
To cap it all, to post to Para Bahia these lies is quite simply down right vile.
.
You are a disgusting little man and yes, now you've asked for it, the proof that you are a LIAR
.
THATS THE TRUTH
I was asked if I worried about a little toe rag like you & I replied NJO I could quite easily deal with some one like you.
But I'm married & have my wife to consider.
I also told people my wife is a devout Christian who believes people get their **** uppence when they go in front of GOD.
I would love to meet up with an idiot like you just to see exactly what type of man you really are.
But I love my wife & if she doesn't want me to I wont,
BHut unlike you I'm no coward I've printed my name but you come on here call me a liar so come on BIG man what's your name?
I told you & Paramjit I was threatened well asking me to meet someone in a pub as one poster did isn't that threatening?
I've never asked to meet you in my Rugby Club & wouldn't as I have better things to do with my life.
I see your trying to pally up with Ironlady?
You are a total waste of space exactly where do your insults lead to ? exactly what do you want to come from this type of attack on me?
Do you want me to threaten you?
Never going to happen so give up you total idiot
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter. I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young. Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well. All have a good day what ever your views.[/p][/quote]I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory. . Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........[/p][/quote]So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate? I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you? You support Labour locally & Nationally? Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North? So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not? No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city? you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are. Did you love June Bridles Council? do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars? talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours? So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city? None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are. Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you? What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?[/p][/quote]Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it. . Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community". . Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch. . Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work[/p][/quote]YAWN[/p][/quote]When you have nothing to say put in a YAWN .......... Sums up your inteligence .. or lack of it[/p][/quote]I meant to put YAWN what a bore you are. Like Southy you can only see one thing with him it's Maggies fault with you it's not Labours because they're great?[/p][/quote]If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person alive[/p][/quote]So in or out of the EU? Do you belong to the Pre Young Labour group who promised a referendum on the EU or are you Pro EU?[/p][/quote]Is your head really screwed on or what. . Total gibberish ....... What the hell has your question go to do with anything[/p][/quote]Thought I'd change the subject before I lowered myself to your level! You are out just to attack anything I say as you know Labour & the Unions have been found out So why not just admit your Party conned the Workers with the help of Tucker & woodland & totally lied to get elected or are you to intelligent to do that you know unlike your leader TELL THE TRUTH[/p][/quote]Trust me ..... You are way below my level. . Most of the time you change the subject. Now whether that has something to do with a very short attentive span or you are quite simply stupid i am not too sure but i sometimes wonder if you should be out on the streets after dark. . Now in my mind anybody that makes up stories about me and one or two others on here about threatening you are really extremely exagerated and slanderous. . On top of that to disgustingly post that you are worried about your wife going outside because of it ....... is from the mind of a mad man. . To cap it all, to post to Para Bahia these lies is quite simply down right vile. . You are a disgusting little man and yes, now you've asked for it, the proof that you are a LIAR . THATS THE TRUTH[/p][/quote]I was asked if I worried about a little toe rag like you & I replied NJO I could quite easily deal with some one like you. But I'm married & have my wife to consider. I also told people my wife is a devout Christian who believes people get their **** uppence when they go in front of GOD. I would love to meet up with an idiot like you just to see exactly what type of man you really are. But I love my wife & if she doesn't want me to I wont, BHut unlike you I'm no coward I've printed my name but you come on here call me a liar so come on BIG man what's your name? I told you & Paramjit I was threatened well asking me to meet someone in a pub as one poster did isn't that threatening? I've never asked to meet you in my Rugby Club & wouldn't as I have better things to do with my life. I see your trying to pally up with Ironlady? You are a total waste of space exactly where do your insults lead to ? exactly what do you want to come from this type of attack on me? Do you want me to threaten you? Never going to happen so give up you total idiot loosehead
  • Score: 0

9:53am Sat 24 Nov 12

Lone Ranger. says...

loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter.
I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young.
Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well.
All have a good day what ever your views.
I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory.
.
Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........
So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate?
I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you?
You support Labour locally & Nationally?
Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North?
So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not?
No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city?
you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are.
Did you love June Bridles Council?
do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars?
talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours?
So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city?
None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are.
Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you?
What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?
Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it.
.
Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community".
.
Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch.
.
Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work
YAWN
When you have nothing to say put in a YAWN .......... Sums up your inteligence .. or lack of it
I meant to put YAWN what a bore you are.
Like Southy you can only see one thing with him it's Maggies fault with you it's not Labours because they're great?
If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person alive
So in or out of the EU?
Do you belong to the Pre Young Labour group who promised a referendum on the EU or are you Pro EU?
Is your head really screwed on or what.
.
Total gibberish ....... What the hell has your question go to do with anything
Thought I'd change the subject before I lowered myself to your level!
You are out just to attack anything I say as you know Labour & the Unions have been found out So why not just admit your Party conned the Workers with the help of Tucker & woodland & totally lied to get elected or are you to intelligent to do that you know unlike your leader TELL THE TRUTH
Trust me ..... You are way below my level.
.
Most of the time you change the subject. Now whether that has something to do with a very short attentive span or you are quite simply stupid i am not too sure but i sometimes wonder if you should be out on the streets after dark.
.
Now in my mind anybody that makes up stories about me and one or two others on here about threatening you are really extremely exagerated and slanderous.
.
On top of that to disgustingly post that you are worried about your wife going outside because of it ....... is from the mind of a mad man.
.
To cap it all, to post to Para Bahia these lies is quite simply down right vile.
.
You are a disgusting little man and yes, now you've asked for it, the proof that you are a LIAR
.
THATS THE TRUTH
I was asked if I worried about a little toe rag like you & I replied NJO I could quite easily deal with some one like you.
But I'm married & have my wife to consider.
I also told people my wife is a devout Christian who believes people get their **** uppence when they go in front of GOD.
I would love to meet up with an idiot like you just to see exactly what type of man you really are.
But I love my wife & if she doesn't want me to I wont,
BHut unlike you I'm no coward I've printed my name but you come on here call me a liar so come on BIG man what's your name?
I told you & Paramjit I was threatened well asking me to meet someone in a pub as one poster did isn't that threatening?
I've never asked to meet you in my Rugby Club & wouldn't as I have better things to do with my life.
I see your trying to pally up with Ironlady?
You are a total waste of space exactly where do your insults lead to ? exactly what do you want to come from this type of attack on me?
Do you want me to threaten you?
Never going to happen so give up you total idiot
Once again you fail to rea and understand.
.
You fail to address the main points of my post regarding your behaviour.
.
Irrespective of your next post on here there will be no response and i will no longer respond to your pathetic mentality.
.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Moan Ranger I have a healthy interest in seeing Southampton do well, that's why I am a Tory supporter. I think people in power should be honest an set an example to the young. Thanks for your comments Loosehead, you tell the truth and support the Tories well. All have a good day what ever your views.[/p][/quote]I too have a "healthy" interest in My City doing well and perhaps for different reasons ....... Thats why i would prefer to support Labour locally and Nationally as that in the main i find that the quality and values far our strip the values of a Tory. . Drop the silly name "changing" and we can agree to disagree ....... But not with your mate ........[/p][/quote]So moan Ranger is it? not Aldermoorby's mate? I have never met him so you can't be referring to me can you? You support Labour locally & Nationally? Is that why you never attacked the last Labour Government when the stole £25million from our City's budget to give to the North? So you were thinking of the well being of this city were you? yet again you never said anything against the cut in funding by the Labour Government why not? No this is not a rant but seriously trying to work out how you give a **** for this city? you only give a **** that Labour are in control no matter how bad they are. Did you love June Bridles Council? do you like the Fact Williams & Jacqui Rayment have been proven Liars? talk about me being a Hypocrite ? well if the cap fits wear it & I guess your wearing yours? So when this city is deep in the mire because of the bad handling by this Labour Council as it was under Bridles you will still say they're good for this city? None so blind as the blind,I hope the people of this city can see how ridiculous people like you really are. Even Southy knows the Labour Council have done nothing but lie he also knows that Williams did say 1-10 refuse jobs to go plus fortnightly collections & to top that 1,500 more jobs to go but I bet you don't agree that he said it do you? What an embarrassment to the left you are your not a councillors wife are you?[/p][/quote]Moronic incoherent post ........... why dont you write down what you want to rant about on a piece of paper ..... Then type it on here ........ It may make more sense ........ although i doubt it. . Some of your comments that are readable really do show up the small minededness of you and really not the work of a person who is allegedly in the "community". . Perhaps you should excersise your litery knowledge writing a political blog in the Allotment Times ....... or an explanation to our younger readers on what the difference is between a Rod, Pole and Perch. . Anyway ...... would love to post all day but i have a business to run and pay taxes to keep people who cant, dont or wont work[/p][/quote]YAWN[/p][/quote]When you have nothing to say put in a YAWN .......... Sums up your inteligence .. or lack of it[/p][/quote]I meant to put YAWN what a bore you are. Like Southy you can only see one thing with him it's Maggies fault with you it's not Labours because they're great?[/p][/quote]If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person alive[/p][/quote]So in or out of the EU? Do you belong to the Pre Young Labour group who promised a referendum on the EU or are you Pro EU?[/p][/quote]Is your head really screwed on or what. . Total gibberish ....... What the hell has your question go to do with anything[/p][/quote]Thought I'd change the subject before I lowered myself to your level! You are out just to attack anything I say as you know Labour & the Unions have been found out So why not just admit your Party conned the Workers with the help of Tucker & woodland & totally lied to get elected or are you to intelligent to do that you know unlike your leader TELL THE TRUTH[/p][/quote]Trust me ..... You are way below my level. . Most of the time you change the subject. Now whether that has something to do with a very short attentive span or you are quite simply stupid i am not too sure but i sometimes wonder if you should be out on the streets after dark. . Now in my mind anybody that makes up stories about me and one or two others on here about threatening you are really extremely exagerated and slanderous. . On top of that to disgustingly post that you are worried about your wife going outside because of it ....... is from the mind of a mad man. . To cap it all, to post to Para Bahia these lies is quite simply down right vile. . You are a disgusting little man and yes, now you've asked for it, the proof that you are a LIAR . THATS THE TRUTH[/p][/quote]I was asked if I worried about a little toe rag like you & I replied NJO I could quite easily deal with some one like you. But I'm married & have my wife to consider. I also told people my wife is a devout Christian who believes people get their **** uppence when they go in front of GOD. I would love to meet up with an idiot like you just to see exactly what type of man you really are. But I love my wife & if she doesn't want me to I wont, BHut unlike you I'm no coward I've printed my name but you come on here call me a liar so come on BIG man what's your name? I told you & Paramjit I was threatened well asking me to meet someone in a pub as one poster did isn't that threatening? I've never asked to meet you in my Rugby Club & wouldn't as I have better things to do with my life. I see your trying to pally up with Ironlady? You are a total waste of space exactly where do your insults lead to ? exactly what do you want to come from this type of attack on me? Do you want me to threaten you? Never going to happen so give up you total idiot[/p][/quote]Once again you fail to rea and understand. . You fail to address the main points of my post regarding your behaviour. . Irrespective of your next post on here there will be no response and i will no longer respond to your pathetic mentality. . Lone Ranger.
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