Eastleigh by-election latest: former Lib Dem activist defects (From Daily Echo)

For the Echo

http://www.tusc.org.
uk/press080213.php

and

RMT Campaign Against Condor Exploitation Of Seafarers

Sadly the candidate Ian Maclennan is not to be trusted.

He was selected as the PPC for the Green Party and has opportunistically jumped ship to this new outfit.

A very sad day for local green activism.

The National Health Action Party could split up the Right Wing Vote right up, good to see them taking part more political partys the better.

southy wrote:
For the Echo

http://www.tusc.org.

uk/press080213.php

and

RMT Campaign Against Condor Exploitation Of Seafarers

ZZZZ, ZZZZ, ZZZZ.

Give it a rest, that's at least 3 times you have done this in the last 24 hours. If TUSC can't get out a proper media release to all concerned I'm sure the Echo will not take any notice of your continual amateur prompting.

southy wrote:
The National Health Action Party could split up the Right Wing Vote right up, good to see them taking part more political partys the better.

.. ah, 'the Right Wing Vote'.

According to you that's every political party except TUSC. So, is it your hope you will charge through the split and disoriented right wing parties to a glorious victory?

We all have dreams, don't we?

Freefinker,

Why do you persist in giving TUSC legitimacy when clearly they are a bunch of whack jobs and nutters with 0 influence and negligible political support within southampton.

Just ignore them after a bit of bluster they will soon fade away

We can not afford the NHS. its days are numbered. Simples...

MGRA what is your alternative you cretin ?

Eco-student wrote:
Freefinker,

Why do you persist in giving TUSC legitimacy when clearly they are a bunch of whack jobs and nutters with 0 influence and negligible political support within southampton.

Just ignore them after a bit of bluster they will soon fade away

.. it goes back many years in these columns, and, no, southy will not fade away. And besides, do you really think comments on this website will influence the result one iota?

With my ear to the ground I must say your earlier post was the truth, half the truth and nothing but the truth.

Would you perhaps like to fill us in on the missing half? You know, the decision taken NOT to fight this by-election despite having earlier selected Ian Maclennan as the Eastleigh prospective Green candidate.

MGRA wrote:
We can not afford the NHS. its days are numbered. Simples...

Rubbish: at the time Keynes was writing, and calling for fiscal stimulus, Britain was substantially deeper in debt than Britain or the United States are now.

Source below:

http://krugman.blogs
.nytimes.com/2011/12
/04/british-debt-his
tory/

At the end of WWII we had MASSIVE DEBT and all this scaremongering is just that.

Always voted Tory, but this lost leaves me speechless. I will never ever vote for them again. LibDems stand for absolutely nothing other than self interest and Labour are also fatally flawed, as is UKIP.

While all attention at Westminster was focused on whether to allow gay marriage, this Coalition Government did something furtive – something that is not only much less liberal, but coldly terrifying.

Under the cover of the furore, it quietly disinterred the corpse of its ‘Secret Justice’ Bill. This Bill creates extraordinary new legal powers to keep official dealings hidden from us.

It changes all the comforting certainties about the rule of law in Britain.


This is the reality of a society regulated by secret justice: a legal system weighted irredeemably in favour of those in power.

The legislation had previously been watered down considerably, and wisely, by the House of Lords. Now, it is not just as bad as it was when introduced last year. It’s even worse.

Under the resuscitated Bill, matters involving State security will usually be heard at secret ‘closed material procedure’ hearings. They will be attended only by security-vetted ‘special advocates’. Those involved in cases against official bodies will be permanently unable to know about the evidence deployed against them.

The new revised draft, the product of the final session of the Bill’s committee stage, was forced through by a majority of one. The Ulster Democratic Unionist Ian Paisley Jnr cast the critical vote.

This took place at precisely the same time as the same-sex marriage debate was happening in the main Commons chamber, which is why all this went virtually unnoticed. Source below:

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/debate/articl
e-2276327/Last-week-
MPs-revived-corpse-S
ecret-Justice-Bill--
debating-gay-marriag
e-time-noticed-Here-
spell-terrifying-imp
lications-life--Secr
et-Britain.html#axzz
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Wrong I just talkeded to a member they choosing candidate on weds night.

Green Party will stand a candidate despite betrayal of Ian maclenann

Eco-student wrote:
Wrong I just talkeded to a member they choosing candidate on weds night.

Green Party will stand a candidate despite betrayal of Ian maclenann

.. gosh, a second U-turn. Well that is new news; and welcome news at that.

But don't blame Ian maclenann for your internal shenanigans. You messed him about something chronic.

Eco-student wrote:
Freefinker,

Why do you persist in giving TUSC legitimacy when clearly they are a bunch of whack jobs and nutters with 0 influence and negligible political support within southampton.

Just ignore them after a bit of bluster they will soon fade away

Coming from someone who puts the word Eco in her name that's quite funny.
Dying of disease, hypothermia and malnutrition as a result of not having enough electricity to meet demand is a Green solution to our problems. So hey presto, the UK population declines by 10 million to meet our new erratic supply a bit painful at the time but a Green death is a good death, eh?
(Funny how the Greens are always too scared to apply this logic to Africa though - a bit too close to eco fascism and racism when you try and export your home policies onto someone else)
The Green movement is a half baked mishmash of ill informed students, luddites left wingers looking for another way to power, and plain old fashioned hypocrites.

The Wickham Man wrote:

Eco-student wrote:
Freefinker,

Why do you persist in giving TUSC legitimacy when clearly they are a bunch of whack jobs and nutters with 0 influence and negligible political support within southampton.

Just ignore them after a bit of bluster they will soon fade away

Coming from someone who puts the word Eco in her name that's quite funny.
Dying of disease, hypothermia and malnutrition as a result of not having enough electricity to meet demand is a Green solution to our problems. So hey presto, the UK population declines by 10 million to meet our new erratic supply a bit painful at the time but a Green death is a good death, eh?
(Funny how the Greens are always too scared to apply this logic to Africa though - a bit too close to eco fascism and racism when you try and export your home policies onto someone else)
The Green movement is a half baked mishmash of ill informed students, luddites left wingers looking for another way to power, and plain old fashioned hypocrites.

Even low a bit of what you said is true about the Green Party, but your wrong on the Green Party being Left wing, the Socialist Greens are a left wing party, but the Green Party is not, they are all for Capitalism, and we have now found out that the Green party will back cuts and job loses, Brighton and Bristol have proved that point.

southy wrote:

The Wickham Man wrote:

Eco-student wrote:
Freefinker,

Why do you persist in giving TUSC legitimacy when clearly they are a bunch of whack jobs and nutters with 0 influence and negligible political support within southampton.

Just ignore them after a bit of bluster they will soon fade away

Coming from someone who puts the word Eco in her name that's quite funny.
Dying of disease, hypothermia and malnutrition as a result of not having enough electricity to meet demand is a Green solution to our problems. So hey presto, the UK population declines by 10 million to meet our new erratic supply a bit painful at the time but a Green death is a good death, eh?
(Funny how the Greens are always too scared to apply this logic to Africa though - a bit too close to eco fascism and racism when you try and export your home policies onto someone else)
The Green movement is a half baked mishmash of ill informed students, luddites left wingers looking for another way to power, and plain old fashioned hypocrites.

Even low a bit of what you said is true about the Green Party, but your wrong on the Green Party being Left wing, the Socialist Greens are a left wing party, but the Green Party is not, they are all for Capitalism, and we have now found out that the Green party will back cuts and job loses, Brighton and Bristol have proved that point.

.. it’s something you will never understand southy, as TUSC will never be in a position where the votes of their councillors are of relevance to local authority decision making. The reason for this is your un-electability – you don’t have any elected councillors.

In a theoretical world where you did, you would find that only having a slogan, ‘No Cuts’, instead of well thought out fiscal policies, would be a severe disadvantage. You see in the real world (not your utopian Trotskyist dream) councillors have to make fiscal decisions that reflect both their council’s income (over which they have little control) and the services they wish to spend this income on.

That is real politics in the real world. Unfortunately fantasy politics will be of absolutely no use whatsoever if you actually achieved some elected representatives. But we don’t need to worry about that for the foreseeable future, do we? After all the electorate have got the measure of your tiny band of entryists; that’s why you get hardly any votes every time.

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

The Wickham Man wrote:

Eco-student wrote:
Freefinker,

Why do you persist in giving TUSC legitimacy when clearly they are a bunch of whack jobs and nutters with 0 influence and negligible political support within southampton.

Just ignore them after a bit of bluster they will soon fade away

Coming from someone who puts the word Eco in her name that's quite funny.
Dying of disease, hypothermia and malnutrition as a result of not having enough electricity to meet demand is a Green solution to our problems. So hey presto, the UK population declines by 10 million to meet our new erratic supply a bit painful at the time but a Green death is a good death, eh?
(Funny how the Greens are always too scared to apply this logic to Africa though - a bit too close to eco fascism and racism when you try and export your home policies onto someone else)
The Green movement is a half baked mishmash of ill informed students, luddites left wingers looking for another way to power, and plain old fashioned hypocrites.

Even low a bit of what you said is true about the Green Party, but your wrong on the Green Party being Left wing, the Socialist Greens are a left wing party, but the Green Party is not, they are all for Capitalism, and we have now found out that the Green party will back cuts and job loses, Brighton and Bristol have proved that point.

.. it’s something you will never understand southy, as TUSC will never be in a position where the votes of their councillors are of relevance to local authority decision making. The reason for this is your un-electability – you don’t have any elected councillors.

In a theoretical world where you did, you would find that only having a slogan, ‘No Cuts’, instead of well thought out fiscal policies, would be a severe disadvantage. You see in the real world (not your utopian Trotskyist dream) councillors have to make fiscal decisions that reflect both their council’s income (over which they have little control) and the services they wish to spend this income on.

That is real politics in the real world. Unfortunately fantasy politics will be of absolutely no use whatsoever if you actually achieved some elected representatives. But we don’t need to worry about that for the foreseeable future, do we? After all the electorate have got the measure of your tiny band of entryists; that’s why you get hardly any votes every time.

You do not know what could happen in the far or near furture, all you can do cline onto your hopes, and to dash them the TUSC is still growing in members, come May 2nd and if they do pull off this 20% of candidates that will put the TUSC as the forth Party jumping over the Greens, Lets see the Greens or UKIP do it if they can.
Making cuts causes jobs to be lost, and with that the Economy suffers because lest people are able to spend, They might just starting to understand about the TUSC policy and when they do then the TUSC will pick up more votes, Just think of this How many years (20 to 30 years) have UKIP and the Greens been around for and they are only just scraping below the surface, where as the TUSC only been at it for 4 years max which 3 years have been under the TUSC and we are all ready in line with the Greens and UKIP.

Eco-student wrote:
MGRA what is your alternative you cretin ?

Why could you not resist using two last words of your comment?

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

The Wickham Man wrote:

Eco-student wrote:
Freefinker,

Why do you persist in giving TUSC legitimacy when clearly they are a bunch of whack jobs and nutters with 0 influence and negligible political support within southampton.

Just ignore them after a bit of bluster they will soon fade away

Coming from someone who puts the word Eco in her name that's quite funny.
Dying of disease, hypothermia and malnutrition as a result of not having enough electricity to meet demand is a Green solution to our problems. So hey presto, the UK population declines by 10 million to meet our new erratic supply a bit painful at the time but a Green death is a good death, eh?
(Funny how the Greens are always too scared to apply this logic to Africa though - a bit too close to eco fascism and racism when you try and export your home policies onto someone else)
The Green movement is a half baked mishmash of ill informed students, luddites left wingers looking for another way to power, and plain old fashioned hypocrites.

Even low a bit of what you said is true about the Green Party, but your wrong on the Green Party being Left wing, the Socialist Greens are a left wing party, but the Green Party is not, they are all for Capitalism, and we have now found out that the Green party will back cuts and job loses, Brighton and Bristol have proved that point.

.. it’s something you will never understand southy, as TUSC will never be in a position where the votes of their councillors are of relevance to local authority decision making. The reason for this is your un-electability – you don’t have any elected councillors.

In a theoretical world where you did, you would find that only having a slogan, ‘No Cuts’, instead of well thought out fiscal policies, would be a severe disadvantage. You see in the real world (not your utopian Trotskyist dream) councillors have to make fiscal decisions that reflect both their council’s income (over which they have little control) and the services they wish to spend this income on.

That is real politics in the real world. Unfortunately fantasy politics will be of absolutely no use whatsoever if you actually achieved some elected representatives. But we don’t need to worry about that for the foreseeable future, do we? After all the electorate have got the measure of your tiny band of entryists; that’s why you get hardly any votes every time.

You do not know what could happen in the far or near furture, all you can do cline onto your hopes, and to dash them the TUSC is still growing in members, come May 2nd and if they do pull off this 20% of candidates that will put the TUSC as the forth Party jumping over the Greens, Lets see the Greens or UKIP do it if they can.
Making cuts causes jobs to be lost, and with that the Economy suffers because lest people are able to spend, They might just starting to understand about the TUSC policy and when they do then the TUSC will pick up more votes, Just think of this How many years (20 to 30 years) have UKIP and the Greens been around for and they are only just scraping below the surface, where as the TUSC only been at it for 4 years max which 3 years have been under the TUSC and we are all ready in line with the Greens and UKIP.

Hum, let’s see. 2012 local election results: -
Greens – 40 councillors.
UKIP – 9 councillors.
TUSC – 0 councillors.

Makes your ‘we are all ready in line with the Greens and UKIP’ a rather hollow boast, don’t you think?

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

The Wickham Man wrote:

Eco-student wrote:
Freefinker,

Why do you persist in giving TUSC legitimacy when clearly they are a bunch of whack jobs and nutters with 0 influence and negligible political support within southampton.

Just ignore them after a bit of bluster they will soon fade away

Coming from someone who puts the word Eco in her name that's quite funny.
Dying of disease, hypothermia and malnutrition as a result of not having enough electricity to meet demand is a Green solution to our problems. So hey presto, the UK population declines by 10 million to meet our new erratic supply a bit painful at the time but a Green death is a good death, eh?
(Funny how the Greens are always too scared to apply this logic to Africa though - a bit too close to eco fascism and racism when you try and export your home policies onto someone else)
The Green movement is a half baked mishmash of ill informed students, luddites left wingers looking for another way to power, and plain old fashioned hypocrites.

Even low a bit of what you said is true about the Green Party, but your wrong on the Green Party being Left wing, the Socialist Greens are a left wing party, but the Green Party is not, they are all for Capitalism, and we have now found out that the Green party will back cuts and job loses, Brighton and Bristol have proved that point.

.. it’s something you will never understand southy, as TUSC will never be in a position where the votes of their councillors are of relevance to local authority decision making. The reason for this is your un-electability – you don’t have any elected councillors.

In a theoretical world where you did, you would find that only having a slogan, ‘No Cuts’, instead of well thought out fiscal policies, would be a severe disadvantage. You see in the real world (not your utopian Trotskyist dream) councillors have to make fiscal decisions that reflect both their council’s income (over which they have little control) and the services they wish to spend this income on.

That is real politics in the real world. Unfortunately fantasy politics will be of absolutely no use whatsoever if you actually achieved some elected representatives. But we don’t need to worry about that for the foreseeable future, do we? After all the electorate have got the measure of your tiny band of entryists; that’s why you get hardly any votes every time.

You do not know what could happen in the far or near furture, all you can do cline onto your hopes, and to dash them the TUSC is still growing in members, come May 2nd and if they do pull off this 20% of candidates that will put the TUSC as the forth Party jumping over the Greens, Lets see the Greens or UKIP do it if they can.
Making cuts causes jobs to be lost, and with that the Economy suffers because lest people are able to spend, They might just starting to understand about the TUSC policy and when they do then the TUSC will pick up more votes, Just think of this How many years (20 to 30 years) have UKIP and the Greens been around for and they are only just scraping below the surface, where as the TUSC only been at it for 4 years max which 3 years have been under the TUSC and we are all ready in line with the Greens and UKIP.

Hum, let’s see. 2012 local election results: -
Greens – 40 councillors.
UKIP – 9 councillors.
TUSC – 0 councillors.

Makes your ‘we are all ready in line with the Greens and UKIP’ a rather hollow boast, don’t you think?

wrong yet again, check with the groups that make up the TUSC and you will find councillors and MP's under there own groups name.

plus you have a few councillors and Mp's but it do not mean that will have total control of a council or national government and as it stands there are to few Greens and UKIP candidates that are able to stand in elections to make any real difference, to do that you must be able to cover at lest 50% of the election posts that comes up, the TUSC are aiming at 20% this year and will up that % next year and keep increasing the % each year, it will not be to many years before the TUSC will over take both Greens and UKIP. In Brighton and Bristol the Greens made a very big error with implenting cuts people only vote for them because they said they will not make any cuts, so expect to lose ground in these two places when the time comes. what also will kick the Greens in Brighton will be that case of the OAP homes being sold to the private sector.

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

The Wickham Man wrote:

Eco-student wrote:
Freefinker,

Why do you persist in giving TUSC legitimacy when clearly they are a bunch of whack jobs and nutters with 0 influence and negligible political support within southampton.

Just ignore them after a bit of bluster they will soon fade away

Coming from someone who puts the word Eco in her name that's quite funny.
Dying of disease, hypothermia and malnutrition as a result of not having enough electricity to meet demand is a Green solution to our problems. So hey presto, the UK population declines by 10 million to meet our new erratic supply a bit painful at the time but a Green death is a good death, eh?
(Funny how the Greens are always too scared to apply this logic to Africa though - a bit too close to eco fascism and racism when you try and export your home policies onto someone else)
The Green movement is a half baked mishmash of ill informed students, luddites left wingers looking for another way to power, and plain old fashioned hypocrites.

Even low a bit of what you said is true about the Green Party, but your wrong on the Green Party being Left wing, the Socialist Greens are a left wing party, but the Green Party is not, they are all for Capitalism, and we have now found out that the Green party will back cuts and job loses, Brighton and Bristol have proved that point.

.. it’s something you will never understand southy, as TUSC will never be in a position where the votes of their councillors are of relevance to local authority decision making. The reason for this is your un-electability – you don’t have any elected councillors.

In a theoretical world where you did, you would find that only having a slogan, ‘No Cuts’, instead of well thought out fiscal policies, would be a severe disadvantage. You see in the real world (not your utopian Trotskyist dream) councillors have to make fiscal decisions that reflect both their council’s income (over which they have little control) and the services they wish to spend this income on.

That is real politics in the real world. Unfortunately fantasy politics will be of absolutely no use whatsoever if you actually achieved some elected representatives. But we don’t need to worry about that for the foreseeable future, do we? After all the electorate have got the measure of your tiny band of entryists; that’s why you get hardly any votes every time.

You do not know what could happen in the far or near furture, all you can do cline onto your hopes, and to dash them the TUSC is still growing in members, come May 2nd and if they do pull off this 20% of candidates that will put the TUSC as the forth Party jumping over the Greens, Lets see the Greens or UKIP do it if they can.
Making cuts causes jobs to be lost, and with that the Economy suffers because lest people are able to spend, They might just starting to understand about the TUSC policy and when they do then the TUSC will pick up more votes, Just think of this How many years (20 to 30 years) have UKIP and the Greens been around for and they are only just scraping below the surface, where as the TUSC only been at it for 4 years max which 3 years have been under the TUSC and we are all ready in line with the Greens and UKIP.

Hum, let’s see. 2012 local election results: -
Greens – 40 councillors.
UKIP – 9 councillors.
TUSC – 0 councillors.

Makes your ‘we are all ready in line with the Greens and UKIP’ a rather hollow boast, don’t you think?

wrong yet again, check with the groups that make up the TUSC and you will find councillors and MP's under there own groups name.

plus you have a few councillors and Mp's but it do not mean that will have total control of a council or national government and as it stands there are to few Greens and UKIP candidates that are able to stand in elections to make any real difference, to do that you must be able to cover at lest 50% of the election posts that comes up, the TUSC are aiming at 20% this year and will up that % next year and keep increasing the % each year, it will not be to many years before the TUSC will over take both Greens and UKIP. In Brighton and Bristol the Greens made a very big error with implenting cuts people only vote for them because they said they will not make any cuts, so expect to lose ground in these two places when the time comes. what also will kick the Greens in Brighton will be that case of the OAP homes being sold to the private sector.

.. fantasy politics again. So you are saying the BBC election results are wrong?

See http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/special/vote20
12/council/gb.stm

It really doesn't matter what percentage of wards/seats you contest - only winning gets you councillors.

In the 1992 general election, the Natural Law Party stood in 310 constituencies – that’s just under 50%. It got 0.19% of the vote, with every candidate losing their deposit.

You see, it’s not contesting seats that determines your ‘size’ – it’s winning seats. You're a long, long way off doing that.

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

The Wickham Man wrote:

Eco-student wrote:
Freefinker,

Why do you persist in giving TUSC legitimacy when clearly they are a bunch of whack jobs and nutters with 0 influence and negligible political support within southampton.

Just ignore them after a bit of bluster they will soon fade away

Coming from someone who puts the word Eco in her name that's quite funny.
Dying of disease, hypothermia and malnutrition as a result of not having enough electricity to meet demand is a Green solution to our problems. So hey presto, the UK population declines by 10 million to meet our new erratic supply a bit painful at the time but a Green death is a good death, eh?
(Funny how the Greens are always too scared to apply this logic to Africa though - a bit too close to eco fascism and racism when you try and export your home policies onto someone else)
The Green movement is a half baked mishmash of ill informed students, luddites left wingers looking for another way to power, and plain old fashioned hypocrites.

Even low a bit of what you said is true about the Green Party, but your wrong on the Green Party being Left wing, the Socialist Greens are a left wing party, but the Green Party is not, they are all for Capitalism, and we have now found out that the Green party will back cuts and job loses, Brighton and Bristol have proved that point.

.. it’s something you will never understand southy, as TUSC will never be in a position where the votes of their councillors are of relevance to local authority decision making. The reason for this is your un-electability – you don’t have any elected councillors.

In a theoretical world where you did, you would find that only having a slogan, ‘No Cuts’, instead of well thought out fiscal policies, would be a severe disadvantage. You see in the real world (not your utopian Trotskyist dream) councillors have to make fiscal decisions that reflect both their council’s income (over which they have little control) and the services they wish to spend this income on.

That is real politics in the real world. Unfortunately fantasy politics will be of absolutely no use whatsoever if you actually achieved some elected representatives. But we don’t need to worry about that for the foreseeable future, do we? After all the electorate have got the measure of your tiny band of entryists; that’s why you get hardly any votes every time.

You do not know what could happen in the far or near furture, all you can do cline onto your hopes, and to dash them the TUSC is still growing in members, come May 2nd and if they do pull off this 20% of candidates that will put the TUSC as the forth Party jumping over the Greens, Lets see the Greens or UKIP do it if they can.
Making cuts causes jobs to be lost, and with that the Economy suffers because lest people are able to spend, They might just starting to understand about the TUSC policy and when they do then the TUSC will pick up more votes, Just think of this How many years (20 to 30 years) have UKIP and the Greens been around for and they are only just scraping below the surface, where as the TUSC only been at it for 4 years max which 3 years have been under the TUSC and we are all ready in line with the Greens and UKIP.

Hum, let’s see. 2012 local election results: -
Greens – 40 councillors.
UKIP – 9 councillors.
TUSC – 0 councillors.

Makes your ‘we are all ready in line with the Greens and UKIP’ a rather hollow boast, don’t you think?

wrong yet again, check with the groups that make up the TUSC and you will find councillors and MP's under there own groups name.

plus you have a few councillors and Mp's but it do not mean that will have total control of a council or national government and as it stands there are to few Greens and UKIP candidates that are able to stand in elections to make any real difference, to do that you must be able to cover at lest 50% of the election posts that comes up, the TUSC are aiming at 20% this year and will up that % next year and keep increasing the % each year, it will not be to many years before the TUSC will over take both Greens and UKIP. In Brighton and Bristol the Greens made a very big error with implenting cuts people only vote for them because they said they will not make any cuts, so expect to lose ground in these two places when the time comes. what also will kick the Greens in Brighton will be that case of the OAP homes being sold to the private sector.

.. fantasy politics again. So you are saying the BBC election results are wrong?

See http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/special/vote20

12/council/gb.stm

It really doesn't matter what percentage of wards/seats you contest - only winning gets you councillors.

In the 1992 general election, the Natural Law Party stood in 310 constituencies – that’s just under 50%. It got 0.19% of the vote, with every candidate losing their deposit.

You see, it’s not contesting seats that determines your ‘size’ – it’s winning seats. You're a long, long way off doing that.

But remember, it apparently took 50 years or more for the first Labour MP to be elected (which of course is nonsense, but there we are). So, if they allow themselves a timescale of decades before expecting tangible electoral results to start coming through, they can achieve next to nothing for years and years, but still feel heroic about it.

You too ruin these pages by swamping any meaningful debate about anything meaningful or real.

Sad really the feud of two deluded old men

I've some time for the TUSC, and their aim to offer a real leftist alternative since Labour have gone Tory. But I'm afraid that southy likely does more harm than good on the pages.

Either way, I hope the NHA make a big impact. The coalition are intent on destroying what the OECD rated as one of the most efficient health systems in the world (much cheaper than the US and most of the EU, and more effective with it). MGRA has clearly swallowed a large amount of propaganda. The NHA are very much needed to defend one of the few reasons we have to be proud of this country, and prevent them from selling our lives to their friends at Virgin, Circle and the rest.

Dan Soton wrote:
Fluoridation X-Files.. Podcast: Ireland/UK Livestock (meat/offal/bone) with Skeletal Fluorosis sold for human consumption.


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That's according to a Vet visiting a UK Abattoir/Slaughterho

use.


Skip to 1:14:40.. Ireland/UK Livestock can drink up to 20 gallons of Fluoridated water a day.


Skip to 1:22:30.. MP Tessa Jowell hears no testing for Fluoride Contamination.


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Podcast:


http://hampshireagai

nstfluoridation.blog

spot.co.uk/2013/01/p

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dbean-january-12th.h

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Podcast:


http://www.podbean.c

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We learn today from UK Scientists that Ireland/UK/Romanian Horse (offal/bone) meat maybe substandard.


In the case of Ireland/UK I suggest Scientists look for Fluorosis and Romania Arsenic Contamination.

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Romania.. ill-health has been reported due to Arsenic Contaminated water.

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http://www.who.int/w

ater_sanitation_heal

th/en/poster8.pdf

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Long-term, low level exposure to arsenic in drinking water may increase a person's risk of skin cancer, according to a new study conducted in Hungary, Romania and Slovakia. The study suggests that LEVELS OF INORGANIC ARSENIC PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT TO BE HARMLESS MAY HAVE A CARCINOGENIC EFFECT OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.

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http://ec.europa.eu/

environment/integrat

ion/research/newsale

rt/pdf/297na1.pdf






I only hope the NHS have the resources to cope with this pending nightmare.. arrogant Dr Graham Winyard, the Deputy Chief Medical Officer for England and Wales & SHAs are the only ones to blame

Can you stop spamming the Echo's comments with this post please?

Ta.

cantthinkofone wrote:

Dan Soton wrote:
Fluoridation X-Files.. Podcast: Ireland/UK Livestock (meat/offal/bone) with Skeletal Fluorosis sold for human consumption.


-

That's according to a Vet visiting a UK Abattoir/Slaughterho


use.


Skip to 1:14:40.. Ireland/UK Livestock can drink up to 20 gallons of Fluoridated water a day.


Skip to 1:22:30.. MP Tessa Jowell hears no testing for Fluoride Contamination.


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Podcast:


http://hampshireagai


nstfluoridation.blog


spot.co.uk/2013/01/p


odcast-powered-by-po


dbean-january-12th.h


tml


also.



Podcast:


http://www.podbean.c


om/podcast-detail?pi


d=63347


-



We learn today from UK Scientists that Ireland/UK/Romanian Horse (offal/bone) meat maybe substandard.


In the case of Ireland/UK I suggest Scientists look for Fluorosis and Romania Arsenic Contamination.

-


Romania.. ill-health has been reported due to Arsenic Contaminated water.

-


http://www.who.int/w


ater_sanitation_heal


th/en/poster8.pdf

-


Long-term, low level exposure to arsenic in drinking water may increase a person's risk of skin cancer, according to a new study conducted in Hungary, Romania and Slovakia. The study suggests that LEVELS OF INORGANIC ARSENIC PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT TO BE HARMLESS MAY HAVE A CARCINOGENIC EFFECT OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.

-


http://ec.europa.eu/


environment/integrat


ion/research/newsale


rt/pdf/297na1.pdf






I only hope the NHS have the resources to cope with this pending nightmare.. arrogant Dr Graham Winyard, the Deputy Chief Medical Officer for England and Wales & SHAs are the only ones to blame

Can you stop spamming the Echo's comments with this post please?

Ta.

What gives cantthinkofone?


Are you really that bothered about what you/others put down 2 day ago.

I'll make no apologies, I've posted my concerns about today's news, the NHS and NHA party candidate Dr Graham Winyard.



Cheerio

Dan Soton wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

Dan Soton wrote:
Fluoridation X-Files.. Podcast: Ireland/UK Livestock (meat/offal/bone) with Skeletal Fluorosis sold for human consumption.


-

That's according to a Vet visiting a UK Abattoir/Slaughterho



use.


Skip to 1:14:40.. Ireland/UK Livestock can drink up to 20 gallons of Fluoridated water a day.


Skip to 1:22:30.. MP Tessa Jowell hears no testing for Fluoride Contamination.


-

Podcast:


http://hampshireagai



nstfluoridation.blog



spot.co.uk/2013/01/p



odcast-powered-by-po



dbean-january-12th.h



tml


also.



Podcast:


http://www.podbean.c



om/podcast-detail?pi



d=63347


-



We learn today from UK Scientists that Ireland/UK/Romanian Horse (offal/bone) meat maybe substandard.


In the case of Ireland/UK I suggest Scientists look for Fluorosis and Romania Arsenic Contamination.

-


Romania.. ill-health has been reported due to Arsenic Contaminated water.

-


http://www.who.int/w



ater_sanitation_heal



th/en/poster8.pdf

-


Long-term, low level exposure to arsenic in drinking water may increase a person's risk of skin cancer, according to a new study conducted in Hungary, Romania and Slovakia. The study suggests that LEVELS OF INORGANIC ARSENIC PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT TO BE HARMLESS MAY HAVE A CARCINOGENIC EFFECT OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.

-


http://ec.europa.eu/



environment/integrat



ion/research/newsale



rt/pdf/297na1.pdf






I only hope the NHS have the resources to cope with this pending nightmare.. arrogant Dr Graham Winyard, the Deputy Chief Medical Officer for England and Wales & SHAs are the only ones to blame

Can you stop spamming the Echo's comments with this post please?

Ta.

What gives cantthinkofone?


Are you really that bothered about what you/others put down 2 day ago.

I'll make no apologies, I've posted my concerns about today's news, the NHS and NHA party candidate Dr Graham Winyard.



Cheerio

It was a simple request. Which bit do you not understand?

cantthinkofone wrote:

Dan Soton wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

Dan Soton wrote:
Fluoridation X-Files.. Podcast: Ireland/UK Livestock (meat/offal/bone) with Skeletal Fluorosis sold for human consumption.


-

That's according to a Vet visiting a UK Abattoir/Slaughterho




use.


Skip to 1:14:40.. Ireland/UK Livestock can drink up to 20 gallons of Fluoridated water a day.


Skip to 1:22:30.. MP Tessa Jowell hears no testing for Fluoride Contamination.


-

Podcast:


http://hampshireagai




nstfluoridation.blog




spot.co.uk/2013/01/p




odcast-powered-by-po




dbean-january-12th.h




tml


also.



Podcast:


http://www.podbean.c




om/podcast-detail?pi




d=63347


-



We learn today from UK Scientists that Ireland/UK/Romanian Horse (offal/bone) meat maybe substandard.


In the case of Ireland/UK I suggest Scientists look for Fluorosis and Romania Arsenic Contamination.

-


Romania.. ill-health has been reported due to Arsenic Contaminated water.

-


http://www.who.int/w




ater_sanitation_heal




th/en/poster8.pdf

-


Long-term, low level exposure to arsenic in drinking water may increase a person's risk of skin cancer, according to a new study conducted in Hungary, Romania and Slovakia. The study suggests that LEVELS OF INORGANIC ARSENIC PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT TO BE HARMLESS MAY HAVE A CARCINOGENIC EFFECT OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.

-


http://ec.europa.eu/




environment/integrat




ion/research/newsale




rt/pdf/297na1.pdf






I only hope the NHS have the resources to cope with this pending nightmare.. arrogant Dr Graham Winyard, the Deputy Chief Medical Officer for England and Wales & SHAs are the only ones to blame

Can you stop spamming the Echo's comments with this post please?

Ta.

What gives cantthinkofone?


Are you really that bothered about what you/others put down 2 day ago.

I'll make no apologies, I've posted my concerns about today's news, the NHS and NHA party candidate Dr Graham Winyard.



Cheerio

It was a simple request. Which bit do you not understand?

NHA look like the Tories, policies like Nu-Labour.


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1) Nu-Labour's (SHA) Socialist Health Association advocates the Fluoridation of all drinking Water.




2) Nu-Labour's (SHA) Socialist Health Association advocates adding Fluoride to Milk ( when all Milking Cows will be drinking Fluoridated Water ?)



3) Nu-Labour's (SHA) Socialist Health Association advocates the promotion of Fluoride products in all Schools, Anti-natal sessions etc.




THE SOCIALIST HEALTH ASSOCIATION WAS FOUNDED IN 1930 TO CAMPAIGN FOR A NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE AND IS AFFILIATED TO THE LABOUR PARTY.

Evidence to the Health Select Committee 2007.

We are a membership organisation with members who work in and use the NHS. We include doctors and dentists and other clinicians, managers, board members and patients. Our members are involved in a wide variety of consultation and involvement processes in health and social care. We are particularly concerned that dental services are available to all who need them and that they contribute to improved oral health and reduce inequalities.

It must be recognised that the provision of NHS dental care services is one aspect of improving oral health. PCTs also need to provide or commission community based oral health promotion programmes eg WATER FLUORIDATION, OTHER FLUORIDE USE SUCH AS FLUORIDE VARNISH PROGRAMMES, FLUORIDATED MILK PROGRAMMES, DENTAL HEALTH EDUCATION PROGRAMMES IN SCHOOLS, ANTI-NATAL SESSIONS ETC. The successful implementation of such preventive programmes, in conjunction with practice-based prevention will reduce the future need for treatment.


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http://www.sochealth
.co.uk/socialist-hea
lth-association-poli
cy/nhs-policies/prim
ary-care-dental-serv
ice/

Dan Soton wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

Dan Soton wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

Dan Soton wrote: Fluoridation X-Files.. Podcast: Ireland/UK Livestock (meat/offal/bone) with Skeletal Fluorosis sold for human consumption. - That's according to a Vet visiting a UK Abattoir/Slaughterho use. Skip to 1:14:40.. Ireland/UK Livestock can drink up to 20 gallons of Fluoridated water a day. Skip to 1:22:30.. MP Tessa Jowell hears no testing for Fluoride Contamination. - Podcast: http://hampshireagai nstfluoridation.blog spot.co.uk/2013/01/p odcast-powered-by-po dbean-january-12th.h tml also. Podcast: http://www.podbean.c om/podcast-detail?pi d=63347 - We learn today from UK Scientists that Ireland/UK/Romanian Horse (offal/bone) meat maybe substandard. In the case of Ireland/UK I suggest Scientists look for Fluorosis and Romania Arsenic Contamination. - Romania.. ill-health has been reported due to Arsenic Contaminated water. - http://www.who.int/w ater_sanitation_heal th/en/poster8.pdf - Long-term, low level exposure to arsenic in drinking water may increase a person's risk of skin cancer, according to a new study conducted in Hungary, Romania and Slovakia. The study suggests that LEVELS OF INORGANIC ARSENIC PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT TO BE HARMLESS MAY HAVE A CARCINOGENIC EFFECT OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME. - http://ec.europa.eu/ environment/integrat ion/research/newsale rt/pdf/297na1.pdf I only hope the NHS have the resources to cope with this pending nightmare.. arrogant Dr Graham Winyard, the Deputy Chief Medical Officer for England and Wales & SHAs are the only ones to blame

Can you stop spamming the Echo's comments with this post please? Ta.

What gives cantthinkofone? Are you really that bothered about what you/others put down 2 day ago. I'll make no apologies, I've posted my concerns about today's news, the NHS and NHA party candidate Dr Graham Winyard. Cheerio

It was a simple request. Which bit do you not understand?

NHA look like the Tories, policies like Nu-Labour. - 1) Nu-Labour's (SHA) Socialist Health Association advocates the Fluoridation of all drinking Water. 2) Nu-Labour's (SHA) Socialist Health Association advocates adding Fluoride to Milk ( when all Milking Cows will be drinking Fluoridated Water ?) 3) Nu-Labour's (SHA) Socialist Health Association advocates the promotion of Fluoride products in all Schools, Anti-natal sessions etc. THE SOCIALIST HEALTH ASSOCIATION WAS FOUNDED IN 1930 TO CAMPAIGN FOR A NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE AND IS AFFILIATED TO THE LABOUR PARTY. Evidence to the Health Select Committee 2007. We are a membership organisation with members who work in and use the NHS. We include doctors and dentists and other clinicians, managers, board members and patients. Our members are involved in a wide variety of consultation and involvement processes in health and social care. We are particularly concerned that dental services are available to all who need them and that they contribute to improved oral health and reduce inequalities. It must be recognised that the provision of NHS dental care services is one aspect of improving oral health. PCTs also need to provide or commission community based oral health promotion programmes eg WATER FLUORIDATION, OTHER FLUORIDE USE SUCH AS FLUORIDE VARNISH PROGRAMMES, FLUORIDATED MILK PROGRAMMES, DENTAL HEALTH EDUCATION PROGRAMMES IN SCHOOLS, ANTI-NATAL SESSIONS ETC. The successful implementation of such preventive programmes, in conjunction with practice-based prevention will reduce the future need for treatment. - http://www.sochealth .co.uk/socialist-hea lth-association-poli cy/nhs-policies/prim ary-care-dental-serv ice/

load of old twaddle

****-Biker wrote:

Dan Soton wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

Dan Soton wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

Dan Soton wrote: Fluoridation X-Files.. Podcast: Ireland/UK Livestock (meat/offal/bone) with Skeletal Fluorosis sold for human consumption. - That's according to a Vet visiting a UK Abattoir/Slaughterho use. Skip to 1:14:40.. Ireland/UK Livestock can drink up to 20 gallons of Fluoridated water a day. Skip to 1:22:30.. MP Tessa Jowell hears no testing for Fluoride Contamination. - Podcast: http://hampshireagai nstfluoridation.blog spot.co.uk/2013/01/p odcast-powered-by-po dbean-january-12th.h tml also. Podcast: http://www.podbean.c om/podcast-detail?pi d=63347 - We learn today from UK Scientists that Ireland/UK/Romanian Horse (offal/bone) meat maybe substandard. In the case of Ireland/UK I suggest Scientists look for Fluorosis and Romania Arsenic Contamination. - Romania.. ill-health has been reported due to Arsenic Contaminated water. - http://www.who.int/w ater_sanitation_heal th/en/poster8.pdf - Long-term, low level exposure to arsenic in drinking water may increase a person's risk of skin cancer, according to a new study conducted in Hungary, Romania and Slovakia. The study suggests that LEVELS OF INORGANIC ARSENIC PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT TO BE HARMLESS MAY HAVE A CARCINOGENIC EFFECT OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME. - http://ec.europa.eu/ environment/integrat ion/research/newsale rt/pdf/297na1.pdf I only hope the NHS have the resources to cope with this pending nightmare.. arrogant Dr Graham Winyard, the Deputy Chief Medical Officer for England and Wales & SHAs are the only ones to blame

Can you stop spamming the Echo's comments with this post please? Ta.

What gives cantthinkofone? Are you really that bothered about what you/others put down 2 day ago. I'll make no apologies, I've posted my concerns about today's news, the NHS and NHA party candidate Dr Graham Winyard. Cheerio

It was a simple request. Which bit do you not understand?

NHA look like the Tories, policies like Nu-Labour. - 1) Nu-Labour's (SHA) Socialist Health Association advocates the Fluoridation of all drinking Water. 2) Nu-Labour's (SHA) Socialist Health Association advocates adding Fluoride to Milk ( when all Milking Cows will be drinking Fluoridated Water ?) 3) Nu-Labour's (SHA) Socialist Health Association advocates the promotion of Fluoride products in all Schools, Anti-natal sessions etc. THE SOCIALIST HEALTH ASSOCIATION WAS FOUNDED IN 1930 TO CAMPAIGN FOR A NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE AND IS AFFILIATED TO THE LABOUR PARTY. Evidence to the Health Select Committee 2007. We are a membership organisation with members who work in and use the NHS. We include doctors and dentists and other clinicians, managers, board members and patients. Our members are involved in a wide variety of consultation and involvement processes in health and social care. We are particularly concerned that dental services are available to all who need them and that they contribute to improved oral health and reduce inequalities. It must be recognised that the provision of NHS dental care services is one aspect of improving oral health. PCTs also need to provide or commission community based oral health promotion programmes eg WATER FLUORIDATION, OTHER FLUORIDE USE SUCH AS FLUORIDE VARNISH PROGRAMMES, FLUORIDATED MILK PROGRAMMES, DENTAL HEALTH EDUCATION PROGRAMMES IN SCHOOLS, ANTI-NATAL SESSIONS ETC. The successful implementation of such preventive programmes, in conjunction with practice-based prevention will reduce the future need for treatment. - http://www.sochealth .co.uk/socialist-hea lth-association-poli cy/nhs-policies/prim ary-care-dental-serv ice/

load of old twaddle

****-Biker says... load of old twaddle.




Well done.. that's possibly the least brave opinion in the dull/boring history of political debate.

Dan Soton wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

Dan Soton wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

Dan Soton wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

Dan Soton wrote: Fluoridation X-Files.. Podcast: Ireland/UK Livestock (meat/offal/bone) with Skeletal Fluorosis sold for human consumption. - That's according to a Vet visiting a UK Abattoir/Slaughterho use. Skip to 1:14:40.. Ireland/UK Livestock can drink up to 20 gallons of Fluoridated water a day. Skip to 1:22:30.. MP Tessa Jowell hears no testing for Fluoride Contamination. - Podcast: http://hampshireagai nstfluoridation.blog spot.co.uk/2013/01/p odcast-powered-by-po dbean-january-12th.h tml also. Podcast: http://www.podbean.c om/podcast-detail?pi d=63347 - We learn today from UK Scientists that Ireland/UK/Romanian Horse (offal/bone) meat maybe substandard. In the case of Ireland/UK I suggest Scientists look for Fluorosis and Romania Arsenic Contamination. - Romania.. ill-health has been reported due to Arsenic Contaminated water. - http://www.who.int/w ater_sanitation_heal th/en/poster8.pdf - Long-term, low level exposure to arsenic in drinking water may increase a person's risk of skin cancer, according to a new study conducted in Hungary, Romania and Slovakia. The study suggests that LEVELS OF INORGANIC ARSENIC PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT TO BE HARMLESS MAY HAVE A CARCINOGENIC EFFECT OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME. - http://ec.europa.eu/ environment/integrat ion/research/newsale rt/pdf/297na1.pdf I only hope the NHS have the resources to cope with this pending nightmare.. arrogant Dr Graham Winyard, the Deputy Chief Medical Officer for England and Wales & SHAs are the only ones to blame

Can you stop spamming the Echo's comments with this post please? Ta.

What gives cantthinkofone? Are you really that bothered about what you/others put down 2 day ago. I'll make no apologies, I've posted my concerns about today's news, the NHS and NHA party candidate Dr Graham Winyard. Cheerio

It was a simple request. Which bit do you not understand?

NHA look like the Tories, policies like Nu-Labour. - 1) Nu-Labour's (SHA) Socialist Health Association advocates the Fluoridation of all drinking Water. 2) Nu-Labour's (SHA) Socialist Health Association advocates adding Fluoride to Milk ( when all Milking Cows will be drinking Fluoridated Water ?) 3) Nu-Labour's (SHA) Socialist Health Association advocates the promotion of Fluoride products in all Schools, Anti-natal sessions etc. THE SOCIALIST HEALTH ASSOCIATION WAS FOUNDED IN 1930 TO CAMPAIGN FOR A NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE AND IS AFFILIATED TO THE LABOUR PARTY. Evidence to the Health Select Committee 2007. We are a membership organisation with members who work in and use the NHS. We include doctors and dentists and other clinicians, managers, board members and patients. Our members are involved in a wide variety of consultation and involvement processes in health and social care. We are particularly concerned that dental services are available to all who need them and that they contribute to improved oral health and reduce inequalities. It must be recognised that the provision of NHS dental care services is one aspect of improving oral health. PCTs also need to provide or commission community based oral health promotion programmes eg WATER FLUORIDATION, OTHER FLUORIDE USE SUCH AS FLUORIDE VARNISH PROGRAMMES, FLUORIDATED MILK PROGRAMMES, DENTAL HEALTH EDUCATION PROGRAMMES IN SCHOOLS, ANTI-NATAL SESSIONS ETC. The successful implementation of such preventive programmes, in conjunction with practice-based prevention will reduce the future need for treatment. - http://www.sochealth .co.uk/socialist-hea lth-association-poli cy/nhs-policies/prim ary-care-dental-serv ice/

load of old twaddle

****-Biker says... load of old twaddle. Well done.. that's possibly the least brave opinion in the dull/boring history of political debate.

Dan, for a start the Tories are not like Labour, I could go on but your postings have be too long winded a bit "southy" like
If there is a relevant point hidden amongst it I loose the will to find it.

****-Biker wrote:

Dan Soton wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

Dan Soton wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

Dan Soton wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

Dan Soton wrote: Fluoridation X-Files.. Podcast: Ireland/UK Livestock (meat/offal/bone) with Skeletal Fluorosis sold for human consumption. - That's according to a Vet visiting a UK Abattoir/Slaughterho use. Skip to 1:14:40.. Ireland/UK Livestock can drink up to 20 gallons of Fluoridated water a day. Skip to 1:22:30.. MP Tessa Jowell hears no testing for Fluoride Contamination. - Podcast: http://hampshireagai nstfluoridation.blog spot.co.uk/2013/01/p odcast-powered-by-po dbean-january-12th.h tml also. Podcast: http://www.podbean.c om/podcast-detail?pi d=63347 - We learn today from UK Scientists that Ireland/UK/Romanian Horse (offal/bone) meat maybe substandard. In the case of Ireland/UK I suggest Scientists look for Fluorosis and Romania Arsenic Contamination. - Romania.. ill-health has been reported due to Arsenic Contaminated water. - http://www.who.int/w ater_sanitation_heal th/en/poster8.pdf - Long-term, low level exposure to arsenic in drinking water may increase a person's risk of skin cancer, according to a new study conducted in Hungary, Romania and Slovakia. The study suggests that LEVELS OF INORGANIC ARSENIC PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT TO BE HARMLESS MAY HAVE A CARCINOGENIC EFFECT OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME. - http://ec.europa.eu/ environment/integrat ion/research/newsale rt/pdf/297na1.pdf I only hope the NHS have the resources to cope with this pending nightmare.. arrogant Dr Graham Winyard, the Deputy Chief Medical Officer for England and Wales & SHAs are the only ones to blame

Can you stop spamming the Echo's comments with this post please? Ta.

What gives cantthinkofone? Are you really that bothered about what you/others put down 2 day ago. I'll make no apologies, I've posted my concerns about today's news, the NHS and NHA party candidate Dr Graham Winyard. Cheerio

It was a simple request. Which bit do you not understand?

NHA look like the Tories, policies like Nu-Labour. - 1) Nu-Labour's (SHA) Socialist Health Association advocates the Fluoridation of all drinking Water. 2) Nu-Labour's (SHA) Socialist Health Association advocates adding Fluoride to Milk ( when all Milking Cows will be drinking Fluoridated Water ?) 3) Nu-Labour's (SHA) Socialist Health Association advocates the promotion of Fluoride products in all Schools, Anti-natal sessions etc. THE SOCIALIST HEALTH ASSOCIATION WAS FOUNDED IN 1930 TO CAMPAIGN FOR A NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE AND IS AFFILIATED TO THE LABOUR PARTY. Evidence to the Health Select Committee 2007. We are a membership organisation with members who work in and use the NHS. We include doctors and dentists and other clinicians, managers, board members and patients. Our members are involved in a wide variety of consultation and involvement processes in health and social care. We are particularly concerned that dental services are available to all who need them and that they contribute to improved oral health and reduce inequalities. It must be recognised that the provision of NHS dental care services is one aspect of improving oral health. PCTs also need to provide or commission community based oral health promotion programmes eg WATER FLUORIDATION, OTHER FLUORIDE USE SUCH AS FLUORIDE VARNISH PROGRAMMES, FLUORIDATED MILK PROGRAMMES, DENTAL HEALTH EDUCATION PROGRAMMES IN SCHOOLS, ANTI-NATAL SESSIONS ETC. The successful implementation of such preventive programmes, in conjunction with practice-based prevention will reduce the future need for treatment. - http://www.sochealth .co.uk/socialist-hea lth-association-poli cy/nhs-policies/prim ary-care-dental-serv ice/

load of old twaddle

****-Biker says... load of old twaddle. Well done.. that's possibly the least brave opinion in the dull/boring history of political debate.

Dan, for a start the Tories are not like Labour, I could go on but your postings have be too long winded a bit "southy" like
If there is a relevant point hidden amongst it I loose the will to find it.

****-Biker says... If there is a relevant point hidden amongst it I loose the will to find it.

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Going by reports in last weeks Echo I suggest you address your twaddle to the fine people of Eastleigh, they say Iain Maclennan looks like a Tory candidate.. more recently he's taken on the air of an extra in a remake of Carry on Doctor, so that's Ok.


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if the NHA Party haven't stolen Nu-Labour's policies why do they want them strangled at birth .?

The National Health Action Party must be strangled at birth. It can only prosper at the expense of the only truly NHS party – the Labour Party.


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http://labourlist.or
g/2012/10/the-nation
al-health-action-par
ty-must-be-strangled
-at-birth/


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A question for all the standing candidates.

Why isn't (SHA) South Central Strategic Health Authority Fluoridation Eastleigh's water an issue in this By-Election?..

We know Nu-Labour Socialist Health Association advocate the Water Fluoridation of all drinking Water in the UK.

AFAIK: NHA Party has never bought up the F word and as (SHA) South Central Strategic Health Authority supporters I can only conclude they also advocate the Water Fluoridation of all drinking Water in the UK.


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Here's a List of Eastleigh/Southampto
n (some ex) POLITICIANS against Fluoridation

CHRIS HUHNE MP FOR EASTLEIGH

Julian Lewis MP for New Forest East

Sandra Gidley MP for Romsey

Desmond Swayne MP for New Forest West

Dr Caroline Lucas MEP for South East.

Brian Donohoe MP, Joint Chair All Party Parliamentary Group Against Fluoridation

Lord Stoddart of Swindon, All Party Parliamentary Group Against Fluoridation

Lord Baldwin of Bewley, Joint Chair All Party Parliamentary Group Against Fluoridation



Cllr Royston Smith, Deputy Leader of Southampton City Council and Prospective Parliamentary Candidate (Conservative) for Southampton Itchen

Cllr Jeremy Moulton, Southampton City Council and Prospective Parliamentary Candidate (Conservative) for Southampton Test

Cllr Neil Fitzgerald, Southampton City Council

Cllr John Hannides, Southampton City Council

Cllr Don Thomas, Southampton City Council

Cllr Derek Burke, Southampton City Council

Cllr Matt Jones, Southampton City Council

Cllr Edward Daunt, Southampton City Council

Cllr Gerry Drake, Southampton City Council

Cllr Paul Holmes, Cabinet Member for Children's Services Southampton City Council,

Cllr Peter Galton, Southampton City Council

Cllr Edwina Cooke, Chair of the Healthy City Scrutiny Panel, Southampton City Council



Cllr Alison Finlay, Test Valley Borough Council

Cllr Alan Dowden, Test Valley Borough Council, Hampshire County Council

Cllr Celia Dowden, Test Valley Borough Council

Cllr Len Gates, Test Valley Borough Council

Cllr Marion Kerley, Test Valley Borough Council



Cllr Keith House, Leader, Eastleigh Borough Council, On behalf of Eastleigh Borough Council

Cllr David Goodall, Eastleigh Borough Council and Prospective Parliamentary Candidate (Liberal Democrat) for Southampton Itchen



Cllr Ken Thornber, CBE, Leader, Hampshire County Council, On behalf of Hampshire County Council

Cllr Anna McNair-Scott, Chair of the Health Overview and Scrutiny Committee, Hampshire County Council

Cllr A Roling, Hampshire County Council and Eastleigh Borough Council

Cllr R Kyrle, Hampshire County Council and Eastleigh Borough Council

Cllr K Mans, Hampshire County Council

Cllr B Dash, Hampshire County Council

Cllr R Perry, Hampshire County Council

Cllr P Dickens, Hampshire County Council

Cllr F Hindson, Hampshire County Council

Cllr S James, Hampshire County Council

Cllr F Pearce, Hampshire County Council

Cllr K Evans, Hampshire County Council

Cllr R Hussey, Hampshire County Council

Cllr B Tennent, Hampshire County Council

Cllr J Porter, Hampshire County Council

Cllr P Mutton, Hampshire County Council and Test Valley Borough Council

Cllr M Tucker, Hampshire County Council

Cllr R Muschamp, Hampshire County Council

Cllr E Heron, Hampshire County Council and New Forest District Council

Cllr A Buckley, Hampshire County Council

Cllr J Wall, Hampshire County Council

Cllr C Leversha, Hampshire County Council

Cllr P West, Hampshire County Council

Cllr S Payne, Hampshire County Council

Cllr C Thomas, Hampshire County Council and Eastleigh Borough Council

Cllr C Davidovitz, Hampshire County Council and Eastleigh Borough Council

Cllr B Gurden, Hampshire County Council

Cllr S Reid, Hampshire County Council

Cllr M Geddes, Hampshire County Council

Cllr L Fairhurst, Hampshire County Council

Cllr S Wheale, Hampshire County Council

Cllr P Mason, Hampshire County Council

Cllr C Bailey, Hampshire County Council

Cllr A McEvoy, Hampshire County Council and New Forest District Council

Cllr I Beagley, Hampshire County Council

Cllr R McIntosh, Hampshire County Council

Cllr R Price, Hampshire County Council

Cllr A Collett, Hampshire County Council

Cllr A Carew, Hampshire County Council

Cllr J Radley, Hampshire County Council

Cllr D Keast, Hampshire County Council

Cllr A Joy, Hampshire County Council

Cllr T Knight, Hampshire County Council

Cllr A Broadhurst, Hampshire County Council and Eastleigh Borough Council

Cllr D Kirk, Hampshire County Council

Cllr G Hockley, Hampshire County Council

Cllr A Weeks, Hampshire County Council, Totton Town Council and New Forest District Council

Cllr D Simpson, Hampshire County Council

Cllr D Harrison, Hampshire County Council , Totton Town Council and New Forest District Council

Cllr S Woodward, Hampshire County Council

Dan Soton wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

Dan Soton wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

Dan Soton wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

Dan Soton wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

Dan Soton wrote: Fluoridation X-Files.. Podcast: Ireland/UK Livestock (meat/offal/bone) with Skeletal Fluorosis sold for human consumption. - That's according to a Vet visiting a UK Abattoir/Slaughterho use. Skip to 1:14:40.. Ireland/UK Livestock can drink up to 20 gallons of Fluoridated water a day. Skip to 1:22:30.. MP Tessa Jowell hears no testing for Fluoride Contamination. - Podcast: http://hampshireagai nstfluoridation.blog spot.co.uk/2013/01/p odcast-powered-by-po dbean-january-12th.h tml also. Podcast: http://www.podbean.c om/podcast-detail?pi d=63347 - We learn today from UK Scientists that Ireland/UK/Romanian Horse (offal/bone) meat maybe substandard. In the case of Ireland/UK I suggest Scientists look for Fluorosis and Romania Arsenic Contamination. - Romania.. ill-health has been reported due to Arsenic Contaminated water. - http://www.who.int/w ater_sanitation_heal th/en/poster8.pdf - Long-term, low level exposure to arsenic in drinking water may increase a person's risk of skin cancer, according to a new study conducted in Hungary, Romania and Slovakia. The study suggests that LEVELS OF INORGANIC ARSENIC PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT TO BE HARMLESS MAY HAVE A CARCINOGENIC EFFECT OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME. - http://ec.europa.eu/ environment/integrat ion/research/newsale rt/pdf/297na1.pdf I only hope the NHS have the resources to cope with this pending nightmare.. arrogant Dr Graham Winyard, the Deputy Chief Medical Officer for England and Wales & SHAs are the only ones to blame

Can you stop spamming the Echo's comments with this post please? Ta.

What gives cantthinkofone? Are you really that bothered about what you/others put down 2 day ago. I'll make no apologies, I've posted my concerns about today's news, the NHS and NHA party candidate Dr Graham Winyard. Cheerio

It was a simple request. Which bit do you not understand?

NHA look like the Tories, policies like Nu-Labour. - 1) Nu-Labour's (SHA) Socialist Health Association advocates the Fluoridation of all drinking Water. 2) Nu-Labour's (SHA) Socialist Health Association advocates adding Fluoride to Milk ( when all Milking Cows will be drinking Fluoridated Water ?) 3) Nu-Labour's (SHA) Socialist Health Association advocates the promotion of Fluoride products in all Schools, Anti-natal sessions etc. THE SOCIALIST HEALTH ASSOCIATION WAS FOUNDED IN 1930 TO CAMPAIGN FOR A NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE AND IS AFFILIATED TO THE LABOUR PARTY. Evidence to the Health Select Committee 2007. We are a membership organisation with members who work in and use the NHS. We include doctors and dentists and other clinicians, managers, board members and patients. Our members are involved in a wide variety of consultation and involvement processes in health and social care. We are particularly concerned that dental services are available to all who need them and that they contribute to improved oral health and reduce inequalities. It must be recognised that the provision of NHS dental care services is one aspect of improving oral health. PCTs also need to provide or commission community based oral health promotion programmes eg WATER FLUORIDATION, OTHER FLUORIDE USE SUCH AS FLUORIDE VARNISH PROGRAMMES, FLUORIDATED MILK PROGRAMMES, DENTAL HEALTH EDUCATION PROGRAMMES IN SCHOOLS, ANTI-NATAL SESSIONS ETC. The successful implementation of such preventive programmes, in conjunction with practice-based prevention will reduce the future need for treatment. - http://www.sochealth .co.uk/socialist-hea lth-association-poli cy/nhs-policies/prim ary-care-dental-serv ice/

load of old twaddle

****-Biker says... load of old twaddle. Well done.. that's possibly the least brave opinion in the dull/boring history of political debate.

Dan, for a start the Tories are not like Labour, I could go on but your postings have be too long winded a bit "southy" like If there is a relevant point hidden amongst it I loose the will to find it.

****-Biker says... If there is a relevant point hidden amongst it I loose the will to find it. - Going by reports in last weeks Echo I suggest you address your twaddle to the fine people of Eastleigh, they say Iain Maclennan looks like a Tory candidate.. more recently he's taken on the air of an extra in a remake of Carry on Doctor, so that's Ok. - if the NHA Party haven't stolen Nu-Labour's policies why do they want them strangled at birth .? The National Health Action Party must be strangled at birth. It can only prosper at the expense of the only truly NHS party – the Labour Party. - http://labourlist.or g/2012/10/the-nation al-health-action-par ty-must-be-strangled -at-birth/ - A question for all the standing candidates. Why isn't (SHA) South Central Strategic Health Authority Fluoridation Eastleigh's water an issue in this By-Election?.. We know Nu-Labour Socialist Health Association advocate the Water Fluoridation of all drinking Water in the UK. AFAIK: NHA Party has never bought up the F word and as (SHA) South Central Strategic Health Authority supporters I can only conclude they also advocate the Water Fluoridation of all drinking Water in the UK. - Here's a List of Eastleigh/Southampto n (some ex) POLITICIANS against Fluoridation CHRIS HUHNE MP FOR EASTLEIGH Julian Lewis MP for New Forest East Sandra Gidley MP for Romsey Desmond Swayne MP for New Forest West Dr Caroline Lucas MEP for South East. Brian Donohoe MP, Joint Chair All Party Parliamentary Group Against Fluoridation Lord Stoddart of Swindon, All Party Parliamentary Group Against Fluoridation Lord Baldwin of Bewley, Joint Chair All Party Parliamentary Group Against Fluoridation Cllr Royston Smith, Deputy Leader of Southampton City Council and Prospective Parliamentary Candidate (Conservative) for Southampton Itchen Cllr Jeremy Moulton, Southampton City Council and Prospective Parliamentary Candidate (Conservative) for Southampton Test Cllr Neil Fitzgerald, Southampton City Council Cllr John Hannides, Southampton City Council Cllr Don Thomas, Southampton City Council Cllr Derek Burke, Southampton City Council Cllr Matt Jones, Southampton City Council Cllr Edward Daunt, Southampton City Council Cllr Gerry Drake, Southampton City Council Cllr Paul Holmes, Cabinet Member for Children's Services Southampton City Council, Cllr Peter Galton, Southampton City Council Cllr Edwina Cooke, Chair of the Healthy City Scrutiny Panel, Southampton City Council Cllr Alison Finlay, Test Valley Borough Council Cllr Alan Dowden, Test Valley Borough Council, Hampshire County Council Cllr Celia Dowden, Test Valley Borough Council Cllr Len Gates, Test Valley Borough Council Cllr Marion Kerley, Test Valley Borough Council Cllr Keith House, Leader, Eastleigh Borough Council, On behalf of Eastleigh Borough Council Cllr David Goodall, Eastleigh Borough Council and Prospective Parliamentary Candidate (Liberal Democrat) for Southampton Itchen Cllr Ken Thornber, CBE, Leader, Hampshire County Council, On behalf of Hampshire County Council Cllr Anna McNair-Scott, Chair of the Health Overview and Scrutiny Committee, Hampshire County Council Cllr A Roling, Hampshire County Council and Eastleigh Borough Council Cllr R Kyrle, Hampshire County Council and Eastleigh Borough Council Cllr K Mans, Hampshire County Council Cllr B Dash, Hampshire County Council Cllr R Perry, Hampshire County Council Cllr P Dickens, Hampshire County Council Cllr F Hindson, Hampshire County Council Cllr S James, Hampshire County Council Cllr F Pearce, Hampshire County Council Cllr K Evans, Hampshire County Council Cllr R Hussey, Hampshire County Council Cllr B Tennent, Hampshire County Council Cllr J Porter, Hampshire County Council Cllr P Mutton, Hampshire County Council and Test Valley Borough Council Cllr M Tucker, Hampshire County Council Cllr R Muschamp, Hampshire County Council Cllr E Heron, Hampshire County Council and New Forest District Council Cllr A Buckley, Hampshire County Council Cllr J Wall, Hampshire County Council Cllr C Leversha, Hampshire County Council Cllr P West, Hampshire County Council Cllr S Payne, Hampshire County Council Cllr C Thomas, Hampshire County Council and Eastleigh Borough Council Cllr C Davidovitz, Hampshire County Council and Eastleigh Borough Council Cllr B Gurden, Hampshire County Council Cllr S Reid, Hampshire County Council Cllr M Geddes, Hampshire County Council Cllr L Fairhurst, Hampshire County Council Cllr S Wheale, Hampshire County Council Cllr P Mason, Hampshire County Council Cllr C Bailey, Hampshire County Council Cllr A McEvoy, Hampshire County Council and New Forest District Council Cllr I Beagley, Hampshire County Council Cllr R McIntosh, Hampshire County Council Cllr R Price, Hampshire County Council Cllr A Collett, Hampshire County Council Cllr A Carew, Hampshire County Council Cllr J Radley, Hampshire County Council Cllr D Keast, Hampshire County Council Cllr A Joy, Hampshire County Council Cllr T Knight, Hampshire County Council Cllr A Broadhurst, Hampshire County Council and Eastleigh Borough Council Cllr D Kirk, Hampshire County Council Cllr G Hockley, Hampshire County Council Cllr A Weeks, Hampshire County Council, Totton Town Council and New Forest District Council Cllr D Simpson, Hampshire County Council Cllr D Harrison, Hampshire County Council , Totton Town Council and New Forest District Council Cllr S Woodward, Hampshire County Council

it's an old list, this is a by election caused by the resignation of Chris Hume therefore he isn’t an MP any more his opinion doesn’t count for much anymore

I would say if this list his truthful it's at least 2 years old