Labour leader in railway town to boost party's by-election bid

Milliband on campaign trail in Eastleigh

Milliband on campaign trail in Eastleigh

Milliband on campaign trail in Eastleigh

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LABOUR leader Ed Miliband today insisted that his party was the ''only alternative'' to the coalition Government as he joined his by-election campaigners in Eastleigh.

The opposition supremo was joined by about 50 supporters waving placards as he promoted his plans for a ''mansion tax'' and to introduce a 10p tax rate.

He also gave his backing to his by-election candidate, best-selling author and satirist John O'Farrell.

The Hampshire town is the focus of a fierce battle between the main parties, with the Lib Dems keen to prevent their Tory coalition partners snatching the seat.

Labour is hoping for a good showing in the vote on February 28, which became vacant with the resignation in disgrace of ex-cabinet minister Chris Huhne after he admitted dodging a speeding penalty.

After taking in visits to Leigh Park and the Artisan Cafe, Mr Miliband spoke of his announcement that Labour favoured reviving the 10p income tax rate.

Labour says that could be paid for by a levy on two million-plus homes - a policy promised in the last Liberal Democrat manifesto but opposed by the Conservatives.

The party hopes to put the ''mansion tax'' proposals to a vote either before the Budget in an opposition day debate or through an amendment to the Budget-implementing Finance Bill.

He said: ''This is a living standards by-election, that's the issue on the minds of so many people in Eastleigh - not being able to afford the weekly food bill, not being able to afford to fill up the car.''

He said that the Government was in favour of a tax cut for those earning more than £1 million.

''If you want that you can vote for the Lib Dems or Tories, if you want an alternative you can vote for Labour,'' Mr Miliband said. He also questioned whether Nick Clegg's party would continue their previous support for a mansion tax.

''They claim to be in favour of a mansion tax as they used to be against tuition fees, and they broke that promise.

''Is he (Clegg) going to vote with Labour to force George Osborne to do it in the budget or is he going to do what he has done for two and a half years and prop up a failing Conservative Government?''

He added: ''People can vote for Conservative or Liberal Democrat and they know they will have a Member of Parliament supporting the Conservative Government or they can vote for an alternative.''

After speaking to supporters, Mr Miliband and Mr O'Farrell had a coffee with former Huhne voters who were now considering voting for Labour at the by-election.

Tory backbenchers have been campaigning for the 10p rate to be reintroduced in next month's Budget, and the Prime Minister hinted earlier in the week that he was ready to agree with them.

Speaking before his visit to Eastleigh, Mr Miliband said: ''There could be a majority in the House of Commons when it votes on our proposal. But only if the Liberal Democrats vote with Labour.

''Now the Lib Dems say they are in favour of a mansion tax. Well, they once said they were in favour of abolishing tuition fees too.

''Here is a chance for Nick Clegg to prove he can keep at least one of his promises.''

He added: ''The squeezed middle has never been so squeezed. And if we carry on as we are it will be like that for years and years.

''All this Government has to offer is tax cuts for the richest at the top, an unrelenting squeeze on the middle, and a race to the bottom.

''That is not how we will build a successful economy again. It's time for a new approach. And that's what the One Nation Labour Party under my leadership will offer.''

He continued: ''The people of Eastleigh deserve an MP who understands that, who is on their side. His name is John O'Farrell.''

Prime Minister David Cameron and Mr Clegg have already made their first forays to Eastleigh - underlining how high the stakes are for both leaders.

A win for the Conservatives would help to convince restive Tory backbenchers that Mr Cameron still has a chance of leading them to outright victory at the next general election.

Equally Mr Clegg needs the Lib Dems to hold the seat if he is to reassure supporters that they are not facing a catastrophic collapse the next time the country goes to the polls.

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10:56am Sat 16 Feb 13

cantthinkofone says...

Forget the three 'main' parties. Forget the xenophobic nutters at UKIP.

*******************

We are not *single issue*, but the state of the NHS and the health of future generations is currently our MAIN issue.

To this end we aim to:

Re-focus hospital trusts on patient outcomes, not financial targets.

Reverse the current drive for privatisation of NHS services.

Halt the senseless £20bn NHS cuts. The NHS is about saving lives. If the funding is cut, fewer lives will be saved.

Present candidates with a genuine interest in serving their constituents, not just blindly following the party line. We believe in people politics, not career politics.

*******************

That looks a good thing to me. If you think so too, consider voting for the NHA (National Health Action party).

I don't work for them. I don't campaign for them. I'm not a member. I don't know any of their candidates or members personally. But if I lived within the Eastleigh boundaries, I'd certainly be voting for them.
Forget the three 'main' parties. Forget the xenophobic nutters at UKIP. ******************* We are not *single issue*, but the state of the NHS and the health of future generations is currently our MAIN issue. To this end we aim to: Re-focus hospital trusts on patient outcomes, not financial targets. Reverse the current drive for privatisation of NHS services. Halt the senseless £20bn NHS cuts. The NHS is about saving lives. If the funding is cut, fewer lives will be saved. Present candidates with a genuine interest in serving their constituents, not just blindly following the party line. We believe in people politics, not career politics. ******************* That looks a good thing to me. If you think so too, consider voting for the NHA (National Health Action party). I don't work for them. I don't campaign for them. I'm not a member. I don't know any of their candidates or members personally. But if I lived within the Eastleigh boundaries, I'd certainly be voting for them. cantthinkofone
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11:03am Sat 16 Feb 13

southy says...

cantthinkofone wrote:
Forget the three 'main' parties. Forget the xenophobic nutters at UKIP.

*******************

We are not *single issue*, but the state of the NHS and the health of future generations is currently our MAIN issue.

To this end we aim to:

Re-focus hospital trusts on patient outcomes, not financial targets.

Reverse the current drive for privatisation of NHS services.

Halt the senseless £20bn NHS cuts. The NHS is about saving lives. If the funding is cut, fewer lives will be saved.

Present candidates with a genuine interest in serving their constituents, not just blindly following the party line. We believe in people politics, not career politics.

*******************

That looks a good thing to me. If you think so too, consider voting for the NHA (National Health Action party).

I don't work for them. I don't campaign for them. I'm not a member. I don't know any of their candidates or members personally. But if I lived within the Eastleigh boundaries, I'd certainly be voting for them.
The NHS will only be safe in the Socialist Hands and never in the hands of Capitalist they will only turn it into a business.
[quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: Forget the three 'main' parties. Forget the xenophobic nutters at UKIP. ******************* We are not *single issue*, but the state of the NHS and the health of future generations is currently our MAIN issue. To this end we aim to: Re-focus hospital trusts on patient outcomes, not financial targets. Reverse the current drive for privatisation of NHS services. Halt the senseless £20bn NHS cuts. The NHS is about saving lives. If the funding is cut, fewer lives will be saved. Present candidates with a genuine interest in serving their constituents, not just blindly following the party line. We believe in people politics, not career politics. ******************* That looks a good thing to me. If you think so too, consider voting for the NHA (National Health Action party). I don't work for them. I don't campaign for them. I'm not a member. I don't know any of their candidates or members personally. But if I lived within the Eastleigh boundaries, I'd certainly be voting for them.[/p][/quote]The NHS will only be safe in the Socialist Hands and never in the hands of Capitalist they will only turn it into a business. southy
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11:07am Sat 16 Feb 13

freefinker says...

cantthinkofone wrote:
Forget the three 'main' parties. Forget the xenophobic nutters at UKIP.

*******************

We are not *single issue*, but the state of the NHS and the health of future generations is currently our MAIN issue.

To this end we aim to:

Re-focus hospital trusts on patient outcomes, not financial targets.

Reverse the current drive for privatisation of NHS services.

Halt the senseless £20bn NHS cuts. The NHS is about saving lives. If the funding is cut, fewer lives will be saved.

Present candidates with a genuine interest in serving their constituents, not just blindly following the party line. We believe in people politics, not career politics.

*******************

That looks a good thing to me. If you think so too, consider voting for the NHA (National Health Action party).

I don't work for them. I don't campaign for them. I'm not a member. I don't know any of their candidates or members personally. But if I lived within the Eastleigh boundaries, I'd certainly be voting for them.
.. yes, count me in on that. NuLabour before and now this dreadful coalition have been hell bent on slowly privatising the NHS bit by bit; GP commissioning being just the latest, and biggest, of a series of 'reforms' that are handing control to private, profit-making, companies.

Aneurin Bevan must be turning in his grave.
[quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: Forget the three 'main' parties. Forget the xenophobic nutters at UKIP. ******************* We are not *single issue*, but the state of the NHS and the health of future generations is currently our MAIN issue. To this end we aim to: Re-focus hospital trusts on patient outcomes, not financial targets. Reverse the current drive for privatisation of NHS services. Halt the senseless £20bn NHS cuts. The NHS is about saving lives. If the funding is cut, fewer lives will be saved. Present candidates with a genuine interest in serving their constituents, not just blindly following the party line. We believe in people politics, not career politics. ******************* That looks a good thing to me. If you think so too, consider voting for the NHA (National Health Action party). I don't work for them. I don't campaign for them. I'm not a member. I don't know any of their candidates or members personally. But if I lived within the Eastleigh boundaries, I'd certainly be voting for them.[/p][/quote].. yes, count me in on that. NuLabour before and now this dreadful coalition have been hell bent on slowly privatising the NHS bit by bit; GP commissioning being just the latest, and biggest, of a series of 'reforms' that are handing control to private, profit-making, companies. Aneurin Bevan must be turning in his grave. freefinker
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11:08am Sat 16 Feb 13

southy says...

For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen.
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3
3c

Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.
For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3 3c Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage. southy
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11:15am Sat 16 Feb 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen.
http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3

3c

Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.
.. if you really think the electorate will decide on who to vote for on trivial grounds such as this, rather than on the real issues that face our country, then it is no wonder TUSC is doomed to lose its deposit and be an also-ran (together with the Monster Raving Looney Party) in this by-election.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3 3c Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.[/p][/quote].. if you really think the electorate will decide on who to vote for on trivial grounds such as this, rather than on the real issues that face our country, then it is no wonder TUSC is doomed to lose its deposit and be an also-ran (together with the Monster Raving Looney Party) in this by-election. freefinker
  • Score: 0

11:30am Sat 16 Feb 13

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen.
http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3

3c

Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.
What is the difference between this man undercutting the normal MPs salary and the enterprising Pole/Lithuanian etc etc etc working for less than the UK worker who's job he has taken?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3 3c Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.[/p][/quote]What is the difference between this man undercutting the normal MPs salary and the enterprising Pole/Lithuanian etc etc etc working for less than the UK worker who's job he has taken? Torchie1
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11:55am Sat 16 Feb 13

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen.
http://www.youtube.c


om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3


3c

Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.
.. if you really think the electorate will decide on who to vote for on trivial grounds such as this, rather than on the real issues that face our country, then it is no wonder TUSC is doomed to lose its deposit and be an also-ran (together with the Monster Raving Looney Party) in this by-election.
Its not just wage, its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business, The TUSC will put people health care first with in the welfare system, Theres a lot more to the TUSC than your willing to amit.
MP wages are well over the top and could be cut in half, and still would not need to make any expenses claims, the TUSC are the only ones willing to tackle this problem of MP's Greed, they are ment to be there to serve the people not them selfs.
When Thatcher said if you want the best, then you must pay for them, she missed out the part it will only bring in the greedy ones who are there only for the money that can be made and not base on weather if they can do the job.
We offer the vote on the EU like one or 2 other minor partys do, Socialist have all ways said we do not need some thing like a union of countrys to be able to work with other countrys.
And we would look at this council tax system and if its chosen to be kept, then more bans will be added to the present ones we got. going to A to Z if need be.
Government would not be able to control councils money like they do now, also councils will be allowed to build there own homes, with out asking Government permission (they can get that from the local people).
The TUSC are more in tune with ordinary people than any other political party and thats because we are made up from ordinary people, run by ordinary people and are for ordinary people.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3 3c Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.[/p][/quote].. if you really think the electorate will decide on who to vote for on trivial grounds such as this, rather than on the real issues that face our country, then it is no wonder TUSC is doomed to lose its deposit and be an also-ran (together with the Monster Raving Looney Party) in this by-election.[/p][/quote]Its not just wage, its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business, The TUSC will put people health care first with in the welfare system, Theres a lot more to the TUSC than your willing to amit. MP wages are well over the top and could be cut in half, and still would not need to make any expenses claims, the TUSC are the only ones willing to tackle this problem of MP's Greed, they are ment to be there to serve the people not them selfs. When Thatcher said if you want the best, then you must pay for them, she missed out the part it will only bring in the greedy ones who are there only for the money that can be made and not base on weather if they can do the job. We offer the vote on the EU like one or 2 other minor partys do, Socialist have all ways said we do not need some thing like a union of countrys to be able to work with other countrys. And we would look at this council tax system and if its chosen to be kept, then more bans will be added to the present ones we got. going to A to Z if need be. Government would not be able to control councils money like they do now, also councils will be allowed to build there own homes, with out asking Government permission (they can get that from the local people). The TUSC are more in tune with ordinary people than any other political party and thats because we are made up from ordinary people, run by ordinary people and are for ordinary people. southy
  • Score: 0

12:01pm Sat 16 Feb 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen.
http://www.youtube.c



om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3



3c

Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.
.. if you really think the electorate will decide on who to vote for on trivial grounds such as this, rather than on the real issues that face our country, then it is no wonder TUSC is doomed to lose its deposit and be an also-ran (together with the Monster Raving Looney Party) in this by-election.
Its not just wage, its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business, The TUSC will put people health care first with in the welfare system, Theres a lot more to the TUSC than your willing to amit.
MP wages are well over the top and could be cut in half, and still would not need to make any expenses claims, the TUSC are the only ones willing to tackle this problem of MP's Greed, they are ment to be there to serve the people not them selfs.
When Thatcher said if you want the best, then you must pay for them, she missed out the part it will only bring in the greedy ones who are there only for the money that can be made and not base on weather if they can do the job.
We offer the vote on the EU like one or 2 other minor partys do, Socialist have all ways said we do not need some thing like a union of countrys to be able to work with other countrys.
And we would look at this council tax system and if its chosen to be kept, then more bans will be added to the present ones we got. going to A to Z if need be.
Government would not be able to control councils money like they do now, also councils will be allowed to build there own homes, with out asking Government permission (they can get that from the local people).
The TUSC are more in tune with ordinary people than any other political party and thats because we are made up from ordinary people, run by ordinary people and are for ordinary people.
.. then there must be very few 'ordinary people' left in this country as the vote TUSC consistently gets is derisory.

Might it be that the vast majority do not take kindly to being classified as 'ordinary' by fantasists like you?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3 3c Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.[/p][/quote].. if you really think the electorate will decide on who to vote for on trivial grounds such as this, rather than on the real issues that face our country, then it is no wonder TUSC is doomed to lose its deposit and be an also-ran (together with the Monster Raving Looney Party) in this by-election.[/p][/quote]Its not just wage, its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business, The TUSC will put people health care first with in the welfare system, Theres a lot more to the TUSC than your willing to amit. MP wages are well over the top and could be cut in half, and still would not need to make any expenses claims, the TUSC are the only ones willing to tackle this problem of MP's Greed, they are ment to be there to serve the people not them selfs. When Thatcher said if you want the best, then you must pay for them, she missed out the part it will only bring in the greedy ones who are there only for the money that can be made and not base on weather if they can do the job. We offer the vote on the EU like one or 2 other minor partys do, Socialist have all ways said we do not need some thing like a union of countrys to be able to work with other countrys. And we would look at this council tax system and if its chosen to be kept, then more bans will be added to the present ones we got. going to A to Z if need be. Government would not be able to control councils money like they do now, also councils will be allowed to build there own homes, with out asking Government permission (they can get that from the local people). The TUSC are more in tune with ordinary people than any other political party and thats because we are made up from ordinary people, run by ordinary people and are for ordinary people.[/p][/quote].. then there must be very few 'ordinary people' left in this country as the vote TUSC consistently gets is derisory. Might it be that the vast majority do not take kindly to being classified as 'ordinary' by fantasists like you? freefinker
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12:02pm Sat 16 Feb 13

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen.
http://www.youtube.c


om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3


3c

Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.
What is the difference between this man undercutting the normal MPs salary and the enterprising Pole/Lithuanian etc etc etc working for less than the UK worker who's job he has taken?
Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways.
The law must be change in this area, all companys should be force to pay the English going Rates, and not be used to undercut. But with MP's they are being over paid, and its not the best we getting like Thatcher said, we getting rotten apples at a very high price, and they are not very good at it also, apart from looking after them selfs and people seeing that they are all right, they are not there to serve the people, they are there to serve them selfs with there own greed.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3 3c Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.[/p][/quote]What is the difference between this man undercutting the normal MPs salary and the enterprising Pole/Lithuanian etc etc etc working for less than the UK worker who's job he has taken?[/p][/quote]Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways. The law must be change in this area, all companys should be force to pay the English going Rates, and not be used to undercut. But with MP's they are being over paid, and its not the best we getting like Thatcher said, we getting rotten apples at a very high price, and they are not very good at it also, apart from looking after them selfs and people seeing that they are all right, they are not there to serve the people, they are there to serve them selfs with there own greed. southy
  • Score: 0

12:08pm Sat 16 Feb 13

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen.
http://www.youtube.c




om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3




3c

Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.
.. if you really think the electorate will decide on who to vote for on trivial grounds such as this, rather than on the real issues that face our country, then it is no wonder TUSC is doomed to lose its deposit and be an also-ran (together with the Monster Raving Looney Party) in this by-election.
Its not just wage, its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business, The TUSC will put people health care first with in the welfare system, Theres a lot more to the TUSC than your willing to amit.
MP wages are well over the top and could be cut in half, and still would not need to make any expenses claims, the TUSC are the only ones willing to tackle this problem of MP's Greed, they are ment to be there to serve the people not them selfs.
When Thatcher said if you want the best, then you must pay for them, she missed out the part it will only bring in the greedy ones who are there only for the money that can be made and not base on weather if they can do the job.
We offer the vote on the EU like one or 2 other minor partys do, Socialist have all ways said we do not need some thing like a union of countrys to be able to work with other countrys.
And we would look at this council tax system and if its chosen to be kept, then more bans will be added to the present ones we got. going to A to Z if need be.
Government would not be able to control councils money like they do now, also councils will be allowed to build there own homes, with out asking Government permission (they can get that from the local people).
The TUSC are more in tune with ordinary people than any other political party and thats because we are made up from ordinary people, run by ordinary people and are for ordinary people.
.. then there must be very few 'ordinary people' left in this country as the vote TUSC consistently gets is derisory.

Might it be that the vast majority do not take kindly to being classified as 'ordinary' by fantasists like you?
The vast majority still don't know about us yet, but are slowly getting to, we are a new party, an being ordinary covers the majority of us, the classes is still with us and getting wider by the moment and will carry on doing so, till there are some changes, we offer those changes so that gap will start to become narrower, and we get a fairer system,
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3 3c Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.[/p][/quote].. if you really think the electorate will decide on who to vote for on trivial grounds such as this, rather than on the real issues that face our country, then it is no wonder TUSC is doomed to lose its deposit and be an also-ran (together with the Monster Raving Looney Party) in this by-election.[/p][/quote]Its not just wage, its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business, The TUSC will put people health care first with in the welfare system, Theres a lot more to the TUSC than your willing to amit. MP wages are well over the top and could be cut in half, and still would not need to make any expenses claims, the TUSC are the only ones willing to tackle this problem of MP's Greed, they are ment to be there to serve the people not them selfs. When Thatcher said if you want the best, then you must pay for them, she missed out the part it will only bring in the greedy ones who are there only for the money that can be made and not base on weather if they can do the job. We offer the vote on the EU like one or 2 other minor partys do, Socialist have all ways said we do not need some thing like a union of countrys to be able to work with other countrys. And we would look at this council tax system and if its chosen to be kept, then more bans will be added to the present ones we got. going to A to Z if need be. Government would not be able to control councils money like they do now, also councils will be allowed to build there own homes, with out asking Government permission (they can get that from the local people). The TUSC are more in tune with ordinary people than any other political party and thats because we are made up from ordinary people, run by ordinary people and are for ordinary people.[/p][/quote].. then there must be very few 'ordinary people' left in this country as the vote TUSC consistently gets is derisory. Might it be that the vast majority do not take kindly to being classified as 'ordinary' by fantasists like you?[/p][/quote]The vast majority still don't know about us yet, but are slowly getting to, we are a new party, an being ordinary covers the majority of us, the classes is still with us and getting wider by the moment and will carry on doing so, till there are some changes, we offer those changes so that gap will start to become narrower, and we get a fairer system, southy
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12:27pm Sat 16 Feb 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen.
http://www.youtube.c





om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3





3c

Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.
.. if you really think the electorate will decide on who to vote for on trivial grounds such as this, rather than on the real issues that face our country, then it is no wonder TUSC is doomed to lose its deposit and be an also-ran (together with the Monster Raving Looney Party) in this by-election.
Its not just wage, its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business, The TUSC will put people health care first with in the welfare system, Theres a lot more to the TUSC than your willing to amit.
MP wages are well over the top and could be cut in half, and still would not need to make any expenses claims, the TUSC are the only ones willing to tackle this problem of MP's Greed, they are ment to be there to serve the people not them selfs.
When Thatcher said if you want the best, then you must pay for them, she missed out the part it will only bring in the greedy ones who are there only for the money that can be made and not base on weather if they can do the job.
We offer the vote on the EU like one or 2 other minor partys do, Socialist have all ways said we do not need some thing like a union of countrys to be able to work with other countrys.
And we would look at this council tax system and if its chosen to be kept, then more bans will be added to the present ones we got. going to A to Z if need be.
Government would not be able to control councils money like they do now, also councils will be allowed to build there own homes, with out asking Government permission (they can get that from the local people).
The TUSC are more in tune with ordinary people than any other political party and thats because we are made up from ordinary people, run by ordinary people and are for ordinary people.
.. then there must be very few 'ordinary people' left in this country as the vote TUSC consistently gets is derisory.

Might it be that the vast majority do not take kindly to being classified as 'ordinary' by fantasists like you?
The vast majority still don't know about us yet, but are slowly getting to, we are a new party, an being ordinary covers the majority of us, the classes is still with us and getting wider by the moment and will carry on doing so, till there are some changes, we offer those changes so that gap will start to become narrower, and we get a fairer system,
.. the 'vast majority' DO know what you are and what you stand for. And that's why you always get so few votes. Do not underestimate the intelligence of the electorate with such condescending nonsense.

The electorate are aware of what happened when Militant Tendency, by its policy of entryism, gained control of Liverpool council. It was an absolute disaster for the inhabitants and your bunch of Trots have been totally rejected by the voters of Liverpool ever since.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3 3c Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.[/p][/quote].. if you really think the electorate will decide on who to vote for on trivial grounds such as this, rather than on the real issues that face our country, then it is no wonder TUSC is doomed to lose its deposit and be an also-ran (together with the Monster Raving Looney Party) in this by-election.[/p][/quote]Its not just wage, its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business, The TUSC will put people health care first with in the welfare system, Theres a lot more to the TUSC than your willing to amit. MP wages are well over the top and could be cut in half, and still would not need to make any expenses claims, the TUSC are the only ones willing to tackle this problem of MP's Greed, they are ment to be there to serve the people not them selfs. When Thatcher said if you want the best, then you must pay for them, she missed out the part it will only bring in the greedy ones who are there only for the money that can be made and not base on weather if they can do the job. We offer the vote on the EU like one or 2 other minor partys do, Socialist have all ways said we do not need some thing like a union of countrys to be able to work with other countrys. And we would look at this council tax system and if its chosen to be kept, then more bans will be added to the present ones we got. going to A to Z if need be. Government would not be able to control councils money like they do now, also councils will be allowed to build there own homes, with out asking Government permission (they can get that from the local people). The TUSC are more in tune with ordinary people than any other political party and thats because we are made up from ordinary people, run by ordinary people and are for ordinary people.[/p][/quote].. then there must be very few 'ordinary people' left in this country as the vote TUSC consistently gets is derisory. Might it be that the vast majority do not take kindly to being classified as 'ordinary' by fantasists like you?[/p][/quote]The vast majority still don't know about us yet, but are slowly getting to, we are a new party, an being ordinary covers the majority of us, the classes is still with us and getting wider by the moment and will carry on doing so, till there are some changes, we offer those changes so that gap will start to become narrower, and we get a fairer system,[/p][/quote].. the 'vast majority' DO know what you are and what you stand for. And that's why you always get so few votes. Do not underestimate the intelligence of the electorate with such condescending nonsense. The electorate are aware of what happened when Militant Tendency, by its policy of entryism, gained control of Liverpool council. It was an absolute disaster for the inhabitants and your bunch of Trots have been totally rejected by the voters of Liverpool ever since. freefinker
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12:30pm Sat 16 Feb 13

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen.
http://www.youtube.c



om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3



3c

Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.
What is the difference between this man undercutting the normal MPs salary and the enterprising Pole/Lithuanian etc etc etc working for less than the UK worker who's job he has taken?
Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways.
The law must be change in this area, all companys should be force to pay the English going Rates, and not be used to undercut. But with MP's they are being over paid, and its not the best we getting like Thatcher said, we getting rotten apples at a very high price, and they are not very good at it also, apart from looking after them selfs and people seeing that they are all right, they are not there to serve the people, they are there to serve them selfs with there own greed.
"all companys should be force to pay the English going Rates". A good indicator that Tusc is in favour of the 'closed shop' and nobody can step out of line on labour costs to win a contract. Back to the drawing board for Tusc I'm afraid or do they want to state clearly that free enterprise will be banned?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3 3c Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.[/p][/quote]What is the difference between this man undercutting the normal MPs salary and the enterprising Pole/Lithuanian etc etc etc working for less than the UK worker who's job he has taken?[/p][/quote]Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways. The law must be change in this area, all companys should be force to pay the English going Rates, and not be used to undercut. But with MP's they are being over paid, and its not the best we getting like Thatcher said, we getting rotten apples at a very high price, and they are not very good at it also, apart from looking after them selfs and people seeing that they are all right, they are not there to serve the people, they are there to serve them selfs with there own greed.[/p][/quote]"all companys should be force to pay the English going Rates". A good indicator that Tusc is in favour of the 'closed shop' and nobody can step out of line on labour costs to win a contract. Back to the drawing board for Tusc I'm afraid or do they want to state clearly that free enterprise will be banned? Torchie1
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12:46pm Sat 16 Feb 13

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen.
http://www.youtube.c






om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3






3c

Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.
.. if you really think the electorate will decide on who to vote for on trivial grounds such as this, rather than on the real issues that face our country, then it is no wonder TUSC is doomed to lose its deposit and be an also-ran (together with the Monster Raving Looney Party) in this by-election.
Its not just wage, its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business, The TUSC will put people health care first with in the welfare system, Theres a lot more to the TUSC than your willing to amit.
MP wages are well over the top and could be cut in half, and still would not need to make any expenses claims, the TUSC are the only ones willing to tackle this problem of MP's Greed, they are ment to be there to serve the people not them selfs.
When Thatcher said if you want the best, then you must pay for them, she missed out the part it will only bring in the greedy ones who are there only for the money that can be made and not base on weather if they can do the job.
We offer the vote on the EU like one or 2 other minor partys do, Socialist have all ways said we do not need some thing like a union of countrys to be able to work with other countrys.
And we would look at this council tax system and if its chosen to be kept, then more bans will be added to the present ones we got. going to A to Z if need be.
Government would not be able to control councils money like they do now, also councils will be allowed to build there own homes, with out asking Government permission (they can get that from the local people).
The TUSC are more in tune with ordinary people than any other political party and thats because we are made up from ordinary people, run by ordinary people and are for ordinary people.
.. then there must be very few 'ordinary people' left in this country as the vote TUSC consistently gets is derisory.

Might it be that the vast majority do not take kindly to being classified as 'ordinary' by fantasists like you?
The vast majority still don't know about us yet, but are slowly getting to, we are a new party, an being ordinary covers the majority of us, the classes is still with us and getting wider by the moment and will carry on doing so, till there are some changes, we offer those changes so that gap will start to become narrower, and we get a fairer system,
.. the 'vast majority' DO know what you are and what you stand for. And that's why you always get so few votes. Do not underestimate the intelligence of the electorate with such condescending nonsense.

The electorate are aware of what happened when Militant Tendency, by its policy of entryism, gained control of Liverpool council. It was an absolute disaster for the inhabitants and your bunch of Trots have been totally rejected by the voters of Liverpool ever since.
Free you would not know, you just sit on that chair indoors, you don't go out on the streets and talk to people and ask questions, you do not go out and work stalls, so you will never know how many know of us, and the sad fact remains people still come up to the stalls and ask what are we all about, they do not know that the TUSC excised, even Union members do not or even heard of us before, and the reason for that is the TUSC is new 4 years old if you want to the N2EU campiagne.
and this rubbish what you said about Liverpool to many people do not know what really went on there apart from the connection to Labour, but many do know that Liverpool came out of better than any other councils because what happened, they gain more out of the government because the government was force to, No other council area could get any where near what Liverpool gain, They got loads of council homes built, where the rest of the country was not allowed to build any, they got biggest amount of job recreation in the country, while others got nothing but a down turn. It was not a disaster at all it was a great gain for Liverpool, only reason why they not there now is because the Government put a ban on them to stand in any elections.
Hatton when he in Liverpool the crowds flock around him in very high numbers all wanting to shake his hand to say thank you, and asking when are they coming back Liverpool needs them, he draws a biggist crowd in Liverpool than any other politician. in the country could, and all are well wishers.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3 3c Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.[/p][/quote].. if you really think the electorate will decide on who to vote for on trivial grounds such as this, rather than on the real issues that face our country, then it is no wonder TUSC is doomed to lose its deposit and be an also-ran (together with the Monster Raving Looney Party) in this by-election.[/p][/quote]Its not just wage, its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business, The TUSC will put people health care first with in the welfare system, Theres a lot more to the TUSC than your willing to amit. MP wages are well over the top and could be cut in half, and still would not need to make any expenses claims, the TUSC are the only ones willing to tackle this problem of MP's Greed, they are ment to be there to serve the people not them selfs. When Thatcher said if you want the best, then you must pay for them, she missed out the part it will only bring in the greedy ones who are there only for the money that can be made and not base on weather if they can do the job. We offer the vote on the EU like one or 2 other minor partys do, Socialist have all ways said we do not need some thing like a union of countrys to be able to work with other countrys. And we would look at this council tax system and if its chosen to be kept, then more bans will be added to the present ones we got. going to A to Z if need be. Government would not be able to control councils money like they do now, also councils will be allowed to build there own homes, with out asking Government permission (they can get that from the local people). The TUSC are more in tune with ordinary people than any other political party and thats because we are made up from ordinary people, run by ordinary people and are for ordinary people.[/p][/quote].. then there must be very few 'ordinary people' left in this country as the vote TUSC consistently gets is derisory. Might it be that the vast majority do not take kindly to being classified as 'ordinary' by fantasists like you?[/p][/quote]The vast majority still don't know about us yet, but are slowly getting to, we are a new party, an being ordinary covers the majority of us, the classes is still with us and getting wider by the moment and will carry on doing so, till there are some changes, we offer those changes so that gap will start to become narrower, and we get a fairer system,[/p][/quote].. the 'vast majority' DO know what you are and what you stand for. And that's why you always get so few votes. Do not underestimate the intelligence of the electorate with such condescending nonsense. The electorate are aware of what happened when Militant Tendency, by its policy of entryism, gained control of Liverpool council. It was an absolute disaster for the inhabitants and your bunch of Trots have been totally rejected by the voters of Liverpool ever since.[/p][/quote]Free you would not know, you just sit on that chair indoors, you don't go out on the streets and talk to people and ask questions, you do not go out and work stalls, so you will never know how many know of us, and the sad fact remains people still come up to the stalls and ask what are we all about, they do not know that the TUSC excised, even Union members do not or even heard of us before, and the reason for that is the TUSC is new 4 years old if you want to the N2EU campiagne. and this rubbish what you said about Liverpool to many people do not know what really went on there apart from the connection to Labour, but many do know that Liverpool came out of better than any other councils because what happened, they gain more out of the government because the government was force to, No other council area could get any where near what Liverpool gain, They got loads of council homes built, where the rest of the country was not allowed to build any, they got biggest amount of job recreation in the country, while others got nothing but a down turn. It was not a disaster at all it was a great gain for Liverpool, only reason why they not there now is because the Government put a ban on them to stand in any elections. Hatton when he in Liverpool the crowds flock around him in very high numbers all wanting to shake his hand to say thank you, and asking when are they coming back Liverpool needs them, he draws a biggist crowd in Liverpool than any other politician. in the country could, and all are well wishers. southy
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12:51pm Sat 16 Feb 13

cantthinkofone says...

TUSC speak from a decent platform. It's a shame that southy's patronising and illiterate ramblings (sorry southy, but that's an accurate description) on here have probably put so many people off ever considering them.
TUSC speak from a decent platform. It's a shame that southy's patronising and illiterate ramblings (sorry southy, but that's an accurate description) on here have probably put so many people off ever considering them. cantthinkofone
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12:51pm Sat 16 Feb 13

IronLady2010 says...

Well, the comedy weekend is getting off to a good start. I best nip out and buy some wine and some tissues to keep my eyes dry!
Well, the comedy weekend is getting off to a good start. I best nip out and buy some wine and some tissues to keep my eyes dry! IronLady2010
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12:59pm Sat 16 Feb 13

southy says...

cantthinkofone wrote:
TUSC speak from a decent platform. It's a shame that southy's patronising and illiterate ramblings (sorry southy, but that's an accurate description) on here have probably put so many people off ever considering them.
Is that why my % in elections have gone up, as i start to meet more and more people in person.
Then all I an say Not bad, i must be doing some thing right.
[quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: TUSC speak from a decent platform. It's a shame that southy's patronising and illiterate ramblings (sorry southy, but that's an accurate description) on here have probably put so many people off ever considering them.[/p][/quote]Is that why my % in elections have gone up, as i start to meet more and more people in person. Then all I an say Not bad, i must be doing some thing right. southy
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1:08pm Sat 16 Feb 13

cantthinkofone says...

southy wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
TUSC speak from a decent platform. It's a shame that southy's patronising and illiterate ramblings (sorry southy, but that's an accurate description) on here have probably put so many people off ever considering them.
Is that why my % in elections have gone up, as i start to meet more and more people in person.
Then all I an say Not bad, i must be doing some thing right.
I'm sure you're far more persuasive in person. I mean that. You have a passion and belief that doesn't translate well through text, but can powerful in the flesh.

I'm not pointlessly being mean and insulting you, I think you genuinely do more harm than good to your cause with your posts on here.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: TUSC speak from a decent platform. It's a shame that southy's patronising and illiterate ramblings (sorry southy, but that's an accurate description) on here have probably put so many people off ever considering them.[/p][/quote]Is that why my % in elections have gone up, as i start to meet more and more people in person. Then all I an say Not bad, i must be doing some thing right.[/p][/quote]I'm sure you're far more persuasive in person. I mean that. You have a passion and belief that doesn't translate well through text, but can powerful in the flesh. I'm not pointlessly being mean and insulting you, I think you genuinely do more harm than good to your cause with your posts on here. cantthinkofone
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1:09pm Sat 16 Feb 13

LeTissiersEarLobe says...

ed is a tw@t
ed is a tw@t LeTissiersEarLobe
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1:09pm Sat 16 Feb 13

cantthinkofone says...

*can be
*can be cantthinkofone
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1:09pm Sat 16 Feb 13

LeTissiersEarLobe says...

thx
thx LeTissiersEarLobe
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1:14pm Sat 16 Feb 13

cantthinkofone says...

LeTissiersEarLobe wrote:
thx
lol - No, I was correcting my own typo in the post above. :-D
[quote][p][bold]LeTissiersEarLobe[/bold] wrote: thx[/p][/quote]lol - No, I was correcting my own typo in the post above. :-D cantthinkofone
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1:31pm Sat 16 Feb 13

MGRA says...

southy wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
Forget the three 'main' parties. Forget the xenophobic nutters at UKIP.

*******************

We are not *single issue*, but the state of the NHS and the health of future generations is currently our MAIN issue.

To this end we aim to:

Re-focus hospital trusts on patient outcomes, not financial targets.

Reverse the current drive for privatisation of NHS services.

Halt the senseless £20bn NHS cuts. The NHS is about saving lives. If the funding is cut, fewer lives will be saved.

Present candidates with a genuine interest in serving their constituents, not just blindly following the party line. We believe in people politics, not career politics.

*******************

That looks a good thing to me. If you think so too, consider voting for the NHA (National Health Action party).

I don't work for them. I don't campaign for them. I'm not a member. I don't know any of their candidates or members personally. But if I lived within the Eastleigh boundaries, I'd certainly be voting for them.
The NHS will only be safe in the Socialist Hands and never in the hands of Capitalist they will only turn it into a business.
the NHS will never be safe. It has to go. We can not afford it. The obese will bring it to its knees.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: Forget the three 'main' parties. Forget the xenophobic nutters at UKIP. ******************* We are not *single issue*, but the state of the NHS and the health of future generations is currently our MAIN issue. To this end we aim to: Re-focus hospital trusts on patient outcomes, not financial targets. Reverse the current drive for privatisation of NHS services. Halt the senseless £20bn NHS cuts. The NHS is about saving lives. If the funding is cut, fewer lives will be saved. Present candidates with a genuine interest in serving their constituents, not just blindly following the party line. We believe in people politics, not career politics. ******************* That looks a good thing to me. If you think so too, consider voting for the NHA (National Health Action party). I don't work for them. I don't campaign for them. I'm not a member. I don't know any of their candidates or members personally. But if I lived within the Eastleigh boundaries, I'd certainly be voting for them.[/p][/quote]The NHS will only be safe in the Socialist Hands and never in the hands of Capitalist they will only turn it into a business.[/p][/quote]the NHS will never be safe. It has to go. We can not afford it. The obese will bring it to its knees. MGRA
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1:31pm Sat 16 Feb 13

st1halo says...

LeTissiersEarLobe wrote:
ed is a tw@t
Yep!
A quick visit to Eastleigh and then back to his other job as an extra on the latest Wallace and Gromit movie.
Sometimes he looks almost real!
[quote][p][bold]LeTissiersEarLobe[/bold] wrote: ed is a tw@t[/p][/quote]Yep! A quick visit to Eastleigh and then back to his other job as an extra on the latest Wallace and Gromit movie. Sometimes he looks almost real! st1halo
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1:47pm Sat 16 Feb 13

cantthinkofone says...

MGRA wrote:
southy wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
Forget the three 'main' parties. Forget the xenophobic nutters at UKIP.

*******************

We are not *single issue*, but the state of the NHS and the health of future generations is currently our MAIN issue.

To this end we aim to:

Re-focus hospital trusts on patient outcomes, not financial targets.

Reverse the current drive for privatisation of NHS services.

Halt the senseless £20bn NHS cuts. The NHS is about saving lives. If the funding is cut, fewer lives will be saved.

Present candidates with a genuine interest in serving their constituents, not just blindly following the party line. We believe in people politics, not career politics.

*******************

That looks a good thing to me. If you think so too, consider voting for the NHA (National Health Action party).

I don't work for them. I don't campaign for them. I'm not a member. I don't know any of their candidates or members personally. But if I lived within the Eastleigh boundaries, I'd certainly be voting for them.
The NHS will only be safe in the Socialist Hands and never in the hands of Capitalist they will only turn it into a business.
the NHS will never be safe. It has to go. We can not afford it. The obese will bring it to its knees.
You've swallowed lies. The US pay more in tax for their healthcare than we do, with worse outcomes. The same applies to most EU nations. The OECD rated the NHS as one of the most efficient healthcare systems on the planet.

Paying dividends to shareholders doesn't make something cheaper, it makes it more expensive.

The government and media are lying to you. They have a simple agenda, guided by the desire to make money. They don't give a hoot about you, or me. Stop suckling at propaganda's teat.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: Forget the three 'main' parties. Forget the xenophobic nutters at UKIP. ******************* We are not *single issue*, but the state of the NHS and the health of future generations is currently our MAIN issue. To this end we aim to: Re-focus hospital trusts on patient outcomes, not financial targets. Reverse the current drive for privatisation of NHS services. Halt the senseless £20bn NHS cuts. The NHS is about saving lives. If the funding is cut, fewer lives will be saved. Present candidates with a genuine interest in serving their constituents, not just blindly following the party line. We believe in people politics, not career politics. ******************* That looks a good thing to me. If you think so too, consider voting for the NHA (National Health Action party). I don't work for them. I don't campaign for them. I'm not a member. I don't know any of their candidates or members personally. But if I lived within the Eastleigh boundaries, I'd certainly be voting for them.[/p][/quote]The NHS will only be safe in the Socialist Hands and never in the hands of Capitalist they will only turn it into a business.[/p][/quote]the NHS will never be safe. It has to go. We can not afford it. The obese will bring it to its knees.[/p][/quote]You've swallowed lies. The US pay more in tax for their healthcare than we do, with worse outcomes. The same applies to most EU nations. The OECD rated the NHS as one of the most efficient healthcare systems on the planet. Paying dividends to shareholders doesn't make something cheaper, it makes it more expensive. The government and media are lying to you. They have a simple agenda, guided by the desire to make money. They don't give a hoot about you, or me. Stop suckling at propaganda's teat. cantthinkofone
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1:49pm Sat 16 Feb 13

cantthinkofone says...

As for the obesity thing by the way - increasing funding to sports, education and housing would do a lot to address that. As would effective regulation of the food retail sector.
As for the obesity thing by the way - increasing funding to sports, education and housing would do a lot to address that. As would effective regulation of the food retail sector. cantthinkofone
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1:50pm Sat 16 Feb 13

st1halo says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen.
http://www.youtube.c



om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3



3c

Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.
What is the difference between this man undercutting the normal MPs salary and the enterprising Pole/Lithuanian etc etc etc working for less than the UK worker who's job he has taken?
Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways.
The law must be change in this area, all companys should be force to pay the English going Rates, and not be used to undercut. But with MP's they are being over paid, and its not the best we getting like Thatcher said, we getting rotten apples at a very high price, and they are not very good at it also, apart from looking after them selfs and people seeing that they are all right, they are not there to serve the people, they are there to serve them selfs with there own greed.
Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways


It doesn't work both ways though does it Southy?
If so, please furnish me with the name of the Polish/Lituanian city where 20000 English have settled.

its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business

You have a very naive view about the NHS. It has to be run on a sound business footing otherwise it will suck the economy dry.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3 3c Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.[/p][/quote]What is the difference between this man undercutting the normal MPs salary and the enterprising Pole/Lithuanian etc etc etc working for less than the UK worker who's job he has taken?[/p][/quote]Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways. The law must be change in this area, all companys should be force to pay the English going Rates, and not be used to undercut. But with MP's they are being over paid, and its not the best we getting like Thatcher said, we getting rotten apples at a very high price, and they are not very good at it also, apart from looking after them selfs and people seeing that they are all right, they are not there to serve the people, they are there to serve them selfs with there own greed.[/p][/quote]Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways It doesn't work both ways though does it Southy? If so, please furnish me with the name of the Polish/Lituanian city where 20000 English have settled. its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business You have a very naive view about the NHS. It has to be run on a sound business footing otherwise it will suck the economy dry. st1halo
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1:54pm Sat 16 Feb 13

southy says...

cantthinkofone wrote:
MGRA wrote:
southy wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
Forget the three 'main' parties. Forget the xenophobic nutters at UKIP.

*******************

We are not *single issue*, but the state of the NHS and the health of future generations is currently our MAIN issue.

To this end we aim to:

Re-focus hospital trusts on patient outcomes, not financial targets.

Reverse the current drive for privatisation of NHS services.

Halt the senseless £20bn NHS cuts. The NHS is about saving lives. If the funding is cut, fewer lives will be saved.

Present candidates with a genuine interest in serving their constituents, not just blindly following the party line. We believe in people politics, not career politics.

*******************

That looks a good thing to me. If you think so too, consider voting for the NHA (National Health Action party).

I don't work for them. I don't campaign for them. I'm not a member. I don't know any of their candidates or members personally. But if I lived within the Eastleigh boundaries, I'd certainly be voting for them.
The NHS will only be safe in the Socialist Hands and never in the hands of Capitalist they will only turn it into a business.
the NHS will never be safe. It has to go. We can not afford it. The obese will bring it to its knees.
You've swallowed lies. The US pay more in tax for their healthcare than we do, with worse outcomes. The same applies to most EU nations. The OECD rated the NHS as one of the most efficient healthcare systems on the planet.

Paying dividends to shareholders doesn't make something cheaper, it makes it more expensive.

The government and media are lying to you. They have a simple agenda, guided by the desire to make money. They don't give a hoot about you, or me. Stop suckling at propaganda's teat.
Thumbs up for that post Cant
[quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: Forget the three 'main' parties. Forget the xenophobic nutters at UKIP. ******************* We are not *single issue*, but the state of the NHS and the health of future generations is currently our MAIN issue. To this end we aim to: Re-focus hospital trusts on patient outcomes, not financial targets. Reverse the current drive for privatisation of NHS services. Halt the senseless £20bn NHS cuts. The NHS is about saving lives. If the funding is cut, fewer lives will be saved. Present candidates with a genuine interest in serving their constituents, not just blindly following the party line. We believe in people politics, not career politics. ******************* That looks a good thing to me. If you think so too, consider voting for the NHA (National Health Action party). I don't work for them. I don't campaign for them. I'm not a member. I don't know any of their candidates or members personally. But if I lived within the Eastleigh boundaries, I'd certainly be voting for them.[/p][/quote]The NHS will only be safe in the Socialist Hands and never in the hands of Capitalist they will only turn it into a business.[/p][/quote]the NHS will never be safe. It has to go. We can not afford it. The obese will bring it to its knees.[/p][/quote]You've swallowed lies. The US pay more in tax for their healthcare than we do, with worse outcomes. The same applies to most EU nations. The OECD rated the NHS as one of the most efficient healthcare systems on the planet. Paying dividends to shareholders doesn't make something cheaper, it makes it more expensive. The government and media are lying to you. They have a simple agenda, guided by the desire to make money. They don't give a hoot about you, or me. Stop suckling at propaganda's teat.[/p][/quote]Thumbs up for that post Cant southy
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2:04pm Sat 16 Feb 13

southy says...

st1halo wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen.
http://www.youtube.c




om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3




3c

Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.
What is the difference between this man undercutting the normal MPs salary and the enterprising Pole/Lithuanian etc etc etc working for less than the UK worker who's job he has taken?
Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways.
The law must be change in this area, all companys should be force to pay the English going Rates, and not be used to undercut. But with MP's they are being over paid, and its not the best we getting like Thatcher said, we getting rotten apples at a very high price, and they are not very good at it also, apart from looking after them selfs and people seeing that they are all right, they are not there to serve the people, they are there to serve them selfs with there own greed.
Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways


It doesn't work both ways though does it Southy?
If so, please furnish me with the name of the Polish/Lituanian city where 20000 English have settled.

its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business

You have a very naive view about the NHS. It has to be run on a sound business footing otherwise it will suck the economy dry.
Yes it do work both ways all ways have done, The English are in every single country in the world taking jobs away from the locals. nothing as change there in since this country became a sea faring trading country, our biggest export is people.
And if you think for one moment that stopping imergration will stop todays job problems it will not, it be just the same.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3 3c Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.[/p][/quote]What is the difference between this man undercutting the normal MPs salary and the enterprising Pole/Lithuanian etc etc etc working for less than the UK worker who's job he has taken?[/p][/quote]Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways. The law must be change in this area, all companys should be force to pay the English going Rates, and not be used to undercut. But with MP's they are being over paid, and its not the best we getting like Thatcher said, we getting rotten apples at a very high price, and they are not very good at it also, apart from looking after them selfs and people seeing that they are all right, they are not there to serve the people, they are there to serve them selfs with there own greed.[/p][/quote]Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways It doesn't work both ways though does it Southy? If so, please furnish me with the name of the Polish/Lituanian city where 20000 English have settled. its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business You have a very naive view about the NHS. It has to be run on a sound business footing otherwise it will suck the economy dry.[/p][/quote]Yes it do work both ways all ways have done, The English are in every single country in the world taking jobs away from the locals. nothing as change there in since this country became a sea faring trading country, our biggest export is people. And if you think for one moment that stopping imergration will stop todays job problems it will not, it be just the same. southy
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2:08pm Sat 16 Feb 13

southy says...

southy wrote:
st1halo wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen.
http://www.youtube.c





om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3





3c

Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.
What is the difference between this man undercutting the normal MPs salary and the enterprising Pole/Lithuanian etc etc etc working for less than the UK worker who's job he has taken?
Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways.
The law must be change in this area, all companys should be force to pay the English going Rates, and not be used to undercut. But with MP's they are being over paid, and its not the best we getting like Thatcher said, we getting rotten apples at a very high price, and they are not very good at it also, apart from looking after them selfs and people seeing that they are all right, they are not there to serve the people, they are there to serve them selfs with there own greed.
Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways


It doesn't work both ways though does it Southy?
If so, please furnish me with the name of the Polish/Lituanian city where 20000 English have settled.

its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business

You have a very naive view about the NHS. It has to be run on a sound business footing otherwise it will suck the economy dry.
Yes it do work both ways all ways have done, The English are in every single country in the world taking jobs away from the locals. nothing as change there in since this country became a sea faring trading country, our biggest export is people.
And if you think for one moment that stopping imergration will stop todays job problems it will not, it be just the same.
The NHS is not a business its a public Health service, it keeps people fit and healty so that they can work
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3 3c Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.[/p][/quote]What is the difference between this man undercutting the normal MPs salary and the enterprising Pole/Lithuanian etc etc etc working for less than the UK worker who's job he has taken?[/p][/quote]Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways. The law must be change in this area, all companys should be force to pay the English going Rates, and not be used to undercut. But with MP's they are being over paid, and its not the best we getting like Thatcher said, we getting rotten apples at a very high price, and they are not very good at it also, apart from looking after them selfs and people seeing that they are all right, they are not there to serve the people, they are there to serve them selfs with there own greed.[/p][/quote]Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways It doesn't work both ways though does it Southy? If so, please furnish me with the name of the Polish/Lituanian city where 20000 English have settled. its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business You have a very naive view about the NHS. It has to be run on a sound business footing otherwise it will suck the economy dry.[/p][/quote]Yes it do work both ways all ways have done, The English are in every single country in the world taking jobs away from the locals. nothing as change there in since this country became a sea faring trading country, our biggest export is people. And if you think for one moment that stopping imergration will stop todays job problems it will not, it be just the same.[/p][/quote]The NHS is not a business its a public Health service, it keeps people fit and healty so that they can work southy
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2:49pm Sat 16 Feb 13

MGRA says...

southy wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
MGRA wrote:
southy wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
Forget the three 'main' parties. Forget the xenophobic nutters at UKIP.

*******************

We are not *single issue*, but the state of the NHS and the health of future generations is currently our MAIN issue.

To this end we aim to:

Re-focus hospital trusts on patient outcomes, not financial targets.

Reverse the current drive for privatisation of NHS services.

Halt the senseless £20bn NHS cuts. The NHS is about saving lives. If the funding is cut, fewer lives will be saved.

Present candidates with a genuine interest in serving their constituents, not just blindly following the party line. We believe in people politics, not career politics.

*******************

That looks a good thing to me. If you think so too, consider voting for the NHA (National Health Action party).

I don't work for them. I don't campaign for them. I'm not a member. I don't know any of their candidates or members personally. But if I lived within the Eastleigh boundaries, I'd certainly be voting for them.
The NHS will only be safe in the Socialist Hands and never in the hands of Capitalist they will only turn it into a business.
the NHS will never be safe. It has to go. We can not afford it. The obese will bring it to its knees.
You've swallowed lies. The US pay more in tax for their healthcare than we do, with worse outcomes. The same applies to most EU nations. The OECD rated the NHS as one of the most efficient healthcare systems on the planet.

Paying dividends to shareholders doesn't make something cheaper, it makes it more expensive.

The government and media are lying to you. They have a simple agenda, guided by the desire to make money. They don't give a hoot about you, or me. Stop suckling at propaganda's teat.
Thumbs up for that post Cant
no one is lying to me. I can do the sums myself, so could you if you had half a brain. Alarm bells should be ringing very loud if Southy applauds your post. 300% increase in treatment burden due to projected obesity consequences and not a chance in hell of being able to fund it. Adios NHS. Only total idiots think the NHS can survive, total idiots that think mone grows on trees.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: Forget the three 'main' parties. Forget the xenophobic nutters at UKIP. ******************* We are not *single issue*, but the state of the NHS and the health of future generations is currently our MAIN issue. To this end we aim to: Re-focus hospital trusts on patient outcomes, not financial targets. Reverse the current drive for privatisation of NHS services. Halt the senseless £20bn NHS cuts. The NHS is about saving lives. If the funding is cut, fewer lives will be saved. Present candidates with a genuine interest in serving their constituents, not just blindly following the party line. We believe in people politics, not career politics. ******************* That looks a good thing to me. If you think so too, consider voting for the NHA (National Health Action party). I don't work for them. I don't campaign for them. I'm not a member. I don't know any of their candidates or members personally. But if I lived within the Eastleigh boundaries, I'd certainly be voting for them.[/p][/quote]The NHS will only be safe in the Socialist Hands and never in the hands of Capitalist they will only turn it into a business.[/p][/quote]the NHS will never be safe. It has to go. We can not afford it. The obese will bring it to its knees.[/p][/quote]You've swallowed lies. The US pay more in tax for their healthcare than we do, with worse outcomes. The same applies to most EU nations. The OECD rated the NHS as one of the most efficient healthcare systems on the planet. Paying dividends to shareholders doesn't make something cheaper, it makes it more expensive. The government and media are lying to you. They have a simple agenda, guided by the desire to make money. They don't give a hoot about you, or me. Stop suckling at propaganda's teat.[/p][/quote]Thumbs up for that post Cant[/p][/quote]no one is lying to me. I can do the sums myself, so could you if you had half a brain. Alarm bells should be ringing very loud if Southy applauds your post. 300% increase in treatment burden due to projected obesity consequences and not a chance in hell of being able to fund it. Adios NHS. Only total idiots think the NHS can survive, total idiots that think mone grows on trees. MGRA
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3:06pm Sat 16 Feb 13

cantthinkofone says...

MGRA wrote:
southy wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
MGRA wrote:
southy wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
Forget the three 'main' parties. Forget the xenophobic nutters at UKIP.

*******************

We are not *single issue*, but the state of the NHS and the health of future generations is currently our MAIN issue.

To this end we aim to:

Re-focus hospital trusts on patient outcomes, not financial targets.

Reverse the current drive for privatisation of NHS services.

Halt the senseless £20bn NHS cuts. The NHS is about saving lives. If the funding is cut, fewer lives will be saved.

Present candidates with a genuine interest in serving their constituents, not just blindly following the party line. We believe in people politics, not career politics.

*******************

That looks a good thing to me. If you think so too, consider voting for the NHA (National Health Action party).

I don't work for them. I don't campaign for them. I'm not a member. I don't know any of their candidates or members personally. But if I lived within the Eastleigh boundaries, I'd certainly be voting for them.
The NHS will only be safe in the Socialist Hands and never in the hands of Capitalist they will only turn it into a business.
the NHS will never be safe. It has to go. We can not afford it. The obese will bring it to its knees.
You've swallowed lies. The US pay more in tax for their healthcare than we do, with worse outcomes. The same applies to most EU nations. The OECD rated the NHS as one of the most efficient healthcare systems on the planet.

Paying dividends to shareholders doesn't make something cheaper, it makes it more expensive.

The government and media are lying to you. They have a simple agenda, guided by the desire to make money. They don't give a hoot about you, or me. Stop suckling at propaganda's teat.
Thumbs up for that post Cant
no one is lying to me. I can do the sums myself, so could you if you had half a brain. Alarm bells should be ringing very loud if Southy applauds your post. 300% increase in treatment burden due to projected obesity consequences and not a chance in hell of being able to fund it. Adios NHS. Only total idiots think the NHS can survive, total idiots that think mone grows on trees.
I see. I assume you think we should just let people die if their wallets are empty then.

What a nasty person you must be.

As it goes, there's plenty of money to fund things like the NHS, but it's almost all concentrated in the hands of a handful of people. That *ought* to make you angry.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: Forget the three 'main' parties. Forget the xenophobic nutters at UKIP. ******************* We are not *single issue*, but the state of the NHS and the health of future generations is currently our MAIN issue. To this end we aim to: Re-focus hospital trusts on patient outcomes, not financial targets. Reverse the current drive for privatisation of NHS services. Halt the senseless £20bn NHS cuts. The NHS is about saving lives. If the funding is cut, fewer lives will be saved. Present candidates with a genuine interest in serving their constituents, not just blindly following the party line. We believe in people politics, not career politics. ******************* That looks a good thing to me. If you think so too, consider voting for the NHA (National Health Action party). I don't work for them. I don't campaign for them. I'm not a member. I don't know any of their candidates or members personally. But if I lived within the Eastleigh boundaries, I'd certainly be voting for them.[/p][/quote]The NHS will only be safe in the Socialist Hands and never in the hands of Capitalist they will only turn it into a business.[/p][/quote]the NHS will never be safe. It has to go. We can not afford it. The obese will bring it to its knees.[/p][/quote]You've swallowed lies. The US pay more in tax for their healthcare than we do, with worse outcomes. The same applies to most EU nations. The OECD rated the NHS as one of the most efficient healthcare systems on the planet. Paying dividends to shareholders doesn't make something cheaper, it makes it more expensive. The government and media are lying to you. They have a simple agenda, guided by the desire to make money. They don't give a hoot about you, or me. Stop suckling at propaganda's teat.[/p][/quote]Thumbs up for that post Cant[/p][/quote]no one is lying to me. I can do the sums myself, so could you if you had half a brain. Alarm bells should be ringing very loud if Southy applauds your post. 300% increase in treatment burden due to projected obesity consequences and not a chance in hell of being able to fund it. Adios NHS. Only total idiots think the NHS can survive, total idiots that think mone grows on trees.[/p][/quote]I see. I assume you think we should just let people die if their wallets are empty then. What a nasty person you must be. As it goes, there's plenty of money to fund things like the NHS, but it's almost all concentrated in the hands of a handful of people. That *ought* to make you angry. cantthinkofone
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3:21pm Sat 16 Feb 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen.
http://www.youtube.c







om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3







3c

Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.
.. if you really think the electorate will decide on who to vote for on trivial grounds such as this, rather than on the real issues that face our country, then it is no wonder TUSC is doomed to lose its deposit and be an also-ran (together with the Monster Raving Looney Party) in this by-election.
Its not just wage, its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business, The TUSC will put people health care first with in the welfare system, Theres a lot more to the TUSC than your willing to amit.
MP wages are well over the top and could be cut in half, and still would not need to make any expenses claims, the TUSC are the only ones willing to tackle this problem of MP's Greed, they are ment to be there to serve the people not them selfs.
When Thatcher said if you want the best, then you must pay for them, she missed out the part it will only bring in the greedy ones who are there only for the money that can be made and not base on weather if they can do the job.
We offer the vote on the EU like one or 2 other minor partys do, Socialist have all ways said we do not need some thing like a union of countrys to be able to work with other countrys.
And we would look at this council tax system and if its chosen to be kept, then more bans will be added to the present ones we got. going to A to Z if need be.
Government would not be able to control councils money like they do now, also councils will be allowed to build there own homes, with out asking Government permission (they can get that from the local people).
The TUSC are more in tune with ordinary people than any other political party and thats because we are made up from ordinary people, run by ordinary people and are for ordinary people.
.. then there must be very few 'ordinary people' left in this country as the vote TUSC consistently gets is derisory.

Might it be that the vast majority do not take kindly to being classified as 'ordinary' by fantasists like you?
The vast majority still don't know about us yet, but are slowly getting to, we are a new party, an being ordinary covers the majority of us, the classes is still with us and getting wider by the moment and will carry on doing so, till there are some changes, we offer those changes so that gap will start to become narrower, and we get a fairer system,
.. the 'vast majority' DO know what you are and what you stand for. And that's why you always get so few votes. Do not underestimate the intelligence of the electorate with such condescending nonsense.

The electorate are aware of what happened when Militant Tendency, by its policy of entryism, gained control of Liverpool council. It was an absolute disaster for the inhabitants and your bunch of Trots have been totally rejected by the voters of Liverpool ever since.
Free you would not know, you just sit on that chair indoors, you don't go out on the streets and talk to people and ask questions, you do not go out and work stalls, so you will never know how many know of us, and the sad fact remains people still come up to the stalls and ask what are we all about, they do not know that the TUSC excised, even Union members do not or even heard of us before, and the reason for that is the TUSC is new 4 years old if you want to the N2EU campiagne.
and this rubbish what you said about Liverpool to many people do not know what really went on there apart from the connection to Labour, but many do know that Liverpool came out of better than any other councils because what happened, they gain more out of the government because the government was force to, No other council area could get any where near what Liverpool gain, They got loads of council homes built, where the rest of the country was not allowed to build any, they got biggest amount of job recreation in the country, while others got nothing but a down turn. It was not a disaster at all it was a great gain for Liverpool, only reason why they not there now is because the Government put a ban on them to stand in any elections.
Hatton when he in Liverpool the crowds flock around him in very high numbers all wanting to shake his hand to say thank you, and asking when are they coming back Liverpool needs them, he draws a biggist crowd in Liverpool than any other politician. in the country could, and all are well wishers.
.. we all know Stalin air-brushed his enemies out of photos and history, but you seem to be air-brushing ‘facts’ into historical reality.

The Militant Tendency period in Liverpool was a complete and utter disaster for both the local inhabitants and council employees. That’s why, as I keep repeating, the electorate kicked every last one of them out at the first available opportunity; never for them ever to come even close to returning again.

The people experienced your Trotskyism and hated it.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3 3c Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.[/p][/quote].. if you really think the electorate will decide on who to vote for on trivial grounds such as this, rather than on the real issues that face our country, then it is no wonder TUSC is doomed to lose its deposit and be an also-ran (together with the Monster Raving Looney Party) in this by-election.[/p][/quote]Its not just wage, its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business, The TUSC will put people health care first with in the welfare system, Theres a lot more to the TUSC than your willing to amit. MP wages are well over the top and could be cut in half, and still would not need to make any expenses claims, the TUSC are the only ones willing to tackle this problem of MP's Greed, they are ment to be there to serve the people not them selfs. When Thatcher said if you want the best, then you must pay for them, she missed out the part it will only bring in the greedy ones who are there only for the money that can be made and not base on weather if they can do the job. We offer the vote on the EU like one or 2 other minor partys do, Socialist have all ways said we do not need some thing like a union of countrys to be able to work with other countrys. And we would look at this council tax system and if its chosen to be kept, then more bans will be added to the present ones we got. going to A to Z if need be. Government would not be able to control councils money like they do now, also councils will be allowed to build there own homes, with out asking Government permission (they can get that from the local people). The TUSC are more in tune with ordinary people than any other political party and thats because we are made up from ordinary people, run by ordinary people and are for ordinary people.[/p][/quote].. then there must be very few 'ordinary people' left in this country as the vote TUSC consistently gets is derisory. Might it be that the vast majority do not take kindly to being classified as 'ordinary' by fantasists like you?[/p][/quote]The vast majority still don't know about us yet, but are slowly getting to, we are a new party, an being ordinary covers the majority of us, the classes is still with us and getting wider by the moment and will carry on doing so, till there are some changes, we offer those changes so that gap will start to become narrower, and we get a fairer system,[/p][/quote].. the 'vast majority' DO know what you are and what you stand for. And that's why you always get so few votes. Do not underestimate the intelligence of the electorate with such condescending nonsense. The electorate are aware of what happened when Militant Tendency, by its policy of entryism, gained control of Liverpool council. It was an absolute disaster for the inhabitants and your bunch of Trots have been totally rejected by the voters of Liverpool ever since.[/p][/quote]Free you would not know, you just sit on that chair indoors, you don't go out on the streets and talk to people and ask questions, you do not go out and work stalls, so you will never know how many know of us, and the sad fact remains people still come up to the stalls and ask what are we all about, they do not know that the TUSC excised, even Union members do not or even heard of us before, and the reason for that is the TUSC is new 4 years old if you want to the N2EU campiagne. and this rubbish what you said about Liverpool to many people do not know what really went on there apart from the connection to Labour, but many do know that Liverpool came out of better than any other councils because what happened, they gain more out of the government because the government was force to, No other council area could get any where near what Liverpool gain, They got loads of council homes built, where the rest of the country was not allowed to build any, they got biggest amount of job recreation in the country, while others got nothing but a down turn. It was not a disaster at all it was a great gain for Liverpool, only reason why they not there now is because the Government put a ban on them to stand in any elections. Hatton when he in Liverpool the crowds flock around him in very high numbers all wanting to shake his hand to say thank you, and asking when are they coming back Liverpool needs them, he draws a biggist crowd in Liverpool than any other politician. in the country could, and all are well wishers.[/p][/quote].. we all know Stalin air-brushed his enemies out of photos and history, but you seem to be air-brushing ‘facts’ into historical reality. The Militant Tendency period in Liverpool was a complete and utter disaster for both the local inhabitants and council employees. That’s why, as I keep repeating, the electorate kicked every last one of them out at the first available opportunity; never for them ever to come even close to returning again. The people experienced your Trotskyism and hated it. freefinker
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3:42pm Sat 16 Feb 13

MGRA says...

cantthinkofone wrote:
MGRA wrote:
southy wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
MGRA wrote:
southy wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
Forget the three 'main' parties. Forget the xenophobic nutters at UKIP.

*******************

We are not *single issue*, but the state of the NHS and the health of future generations is currently our MAIN issue.

To this end we aim to:

Re-focus hospital trusts on patient outcomes, not financial targets.

Reverse the current drive for privatisation of NHS services.

Halt the senseless £20bn NHS cuts. The NHS is about saving lives. If the funding is cut, fewer lives will be saved.

Present candidates with a genuine interest in serving their constituents, not just blindly following the party line. We believe in people politics, not career politics.

*******************

That looks a good thing to me. If you think so too, consider voting for the NHA (National Health Action party).

I don't work for them. I don't campaign for them. I'm not a member. I don't know any of their candidates or members personally. But if I lived within the Eastleigh boundaries, I'd certainly be voting for them.
The NHS will only be safe in the Socialist Hands and never in the hands of Capitalist they will only turn it into a business.
the NHS will never be safe. It has to go. We can not afford it. The obese will bring it to its knees.
You've swallowed lies. The US pay more in tax for their healthcare than we do, with worse outcomes. The same applies to most EU nations. The OECD rated the NHS as one of the most efficient healthcare systems on the planet.

Paying dividends to shareholders doesn't make something cheaper, it makes it more expensive.

The government and media are lying to you. They have a simple agenda, guided by the desire to make money. They don't give a hoot about you, or me. Stop suckling at propaganda's teat.
Thumbs up for that post Cant
no one is lying to me. I can do the sums myself, so could you if you had half a brain. Alarm bells should be ringing very loud if Southy applauds your post. 300% increase in treatment burden due to projected obesity consequences and not a chance in hell of being able to fund it. Adios NHS. Only total idiots think the NHS can survive, total idiots that think mone grows on trees.
I see. I assume you think we should just let people die if their wallets are empty then.

What a nasty person you must be.

As it goes, there's plenty of money to fund things like the NHS, but it's almost all concentrated in the hands of a handful of people. That *ought* to make you angry.
I did not say that you moron. learn to read. A social safety net is affordable, but only if health insurance is introduced as mantatory for earners with premiums adjusted accordingly. Those who are choosing to eat themselves to death need to be paying for their fair share of their future care. Smokers pay for theirs via tobacco tax, drinkers pay for theirs via alcohol duty, the hugely fat will have to too since they will become the biggest burden. you just need to buy a calculator, learn to read properly and maybe you will get better at debating.
[quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: Forget the three 'main' parties. Forget the xenophobic nutters at UKIP. ******************* We are not *single issue*, but the state of the NHS and the health of future generations is currently our MAIN issue. To this end we aim to: Re-focus hospital trusts on patient outcomes, not financial targets. Reverse the current drive for privatisation of NHS services. Halt the senseless £20bn NHS cuts. The NHS is about saving lives. If the funding is cut, fewer lives will be saved. Present candidates with a genuine interest in serving their constituents, not just blindly following the party line. We believe in people politics, not career politics. ******************* That looks a good thing to me. If you think so too, consider voting for the NHA (National Health Action party). I don't work for them. I don't campaign for them. I'm not a member. I don't know any of their candidates or members personally. But if I lived within the Eastleigh boundaries, I'd certainly be voting for them.[/p][/quote]The NHS will only be safe in the Socialist Hands and never in the hands of Capitalist they will only turn it into a business.[/p][/quote]the NHS will never be safe. It has to go. We can not afford it. The obese will bring it to its knees.[/p][/quote]You've swallowed lies. The US pay more in tax for their healthcare than we do, with worse outcomes. The same applies to most EU nations. The OECD rated the NHS as one of the most efficient healthcare systems on the planet. Paying dividends to shareholders doesn't make something cheaper, it makes it more expensive. The government and media are lying to you. They have a simple agenda, guided by the desire to make money. They don't give a hoot about you, or me. Stop suckling at propaganda's teat.[/p][/quote]Thumbs up for that post Cant[/p][/quote]no one is lying to me. I can do the sums myself, so could you if you had half a brain. Alarm bells should be ringing very loud if Southy applauds your post. 300% increase in treatment burden due to projected obesity consequences and not a chance in hell of being able to fund it. Adios NHS. Only total idiots think the NHS can survive, total idiots that think mone grows on trees.[/p][/quote]I see. I assume you think we should just let people die if their wallets are empty then. What a nasty person you must be. As it goes, there's plenty of money to fund things like the NHS, but it's almost all concentrated in the hands of a handful of people. That *ought* to make you angry.[/p][/quote]I did not say that you moron. learn to read. A social safety net is affordable, but only if health insurance is introduced as mantatory for earners with premiums adjusted accordingly. Those who are choosing to eat themselves to death need to be paying for their fair share of their future care. Smokers pay for theirs via tobacco tax, drinkers pay for theirs via alcohol duty, the hugely fat will have to too since they will become the biggest burden. you just need to buy a calculator, learn to read properly and maybe you will get better at debating. MGRA
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3:51pm Sat 16 Feb 13

elvisimo says...

Is it just me of does the sight of Miliband make you feel a bit sick.

Weedy guy, probably bullied at school or the school creep. Revolting.

P.s. the most condescending man I. The uk -George Osborne has a similar vomit inducing effect.
Is it just me of does the sight of Miliband make you feel a bit sick. Weedy guy, probably bullied at school or the school creep. Revolting. P.s. the most condescending man I. The uk -George Osborne has a similar vomit inducing effect. elvisimo
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4:01pm Sat 16 Feb 13

MGRA says...

elvisimo wrote:
Is it just me of does the sight of Miliband make you feel a bit sick.

Weedy guy, probably bullied at school or the school creep. Revolting.

P.s. the most condescending man I. The uk -George Osborne has a similar vomit inducing effect.
Ed Milliband , or as some describe him, the "reflection of david Milliband in the back of a spoon"
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: Is it just me of does the sight of Miliband make you feel a bit sick. Weedy guy, probably bullied at school or the school creep. Revolting. P.s. the most condescending man I. The uk -George Osborne has a similar vomit inducing effect.[/p][/quote]Ed Milliband , or as some describe him, the "reflection of david Milliband in the back of a spoon" MGRA
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4:04pm Sat 16 Feb 13

elvisimo says...

MGRA wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
Is it just me of does the sight of Miliband make you feel a bit sick.

Weedy guy, probably bullied at school or the school creep. Revolting.

P.s. the most condescending man I. The uk -George Osborne has a similar vomit inducing effect.
Ed Milliband , or as some describe him, the "reflection of david Milliband in the back of a spoon"
Ah yes that moron with the banana. Spineless individuals. Make nick clegg look acceptable. Eugh
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: Is it just me of does the sight of Miliband make you feel a bit sick. Weedy guy, probably bullied at school or the school creep. Revolting. P.s. the most condescending man I. The uk -George Osborne has a similar vomit inducing effect.[/p][/quote]Ed Milliband , or as some describe him, the "reflection of david Milliband in the back of a spoon"[/p][/quote]Ah yes that moron with the banana. Spineless individuals. Make nick clegg look acceptable. Eugh elvisimo
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4:13pm Sat 16 Feb 13

st1halo says...

southy wrote:
st1halo wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen.
http://www.youtube.c





om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3





3c

Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.
What is the difference between this man undercutting the normal MPs salary and the enterprising Pole/Lithuanian etc etc etc working for less than the UK worker who's job he has taken?
Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways.
The law must be change in this area, all companys should be force to pay the English going Rates, and not be used to undercut. But with MP's they are being over paid, and its not the best we getting like Thatcher said, we getting rotten apples at a very high price, and they are not very good at it also, apart from looking after them selfs and people seeing that they are all right, they are not there to serve the people, they are there to serve them selfs with there own greed.
Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways


It doesn't work both ways though does it Southy?
If so, please furnish me with the name of the Polish/Lituanian city where 20000 English have settled.

its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business

You have a very naive view about the NHS. It has to be run on a sound business footing otherwise it will suck the economy dry.
Yes it do work both ways all ways have done, The English are in every single country in the world taking jobs away from the locals. nothing as change there in since this country became a sea faring trading country, our biggest export is people.
And if you think for one moment that stopping imergration will stop todays job problems it will not, it be just the same.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
You even sound like a politician!!
I asked you to furnish me with some information and you went into a soundbite with no basis in fact.
The name of the city please?
Otherwise, not both ways!!!!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3 3c Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.[/p][/quote]What is the difference between this man undercutting the normal MPs salary and the enterprising Pole/Lithuanian etc etc etc working for less than the UK worker who's job he has taken?[/p][/quote]Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways. The law must be change in this area, all companys should be force to pay the English going Rates, and not be used to undercut. But with MP's they are being over paid, and its not the best we getting like Thatcher said, we getting rotten apples at a very high price, and they are not very good at it also, apart from looking after them selfs and people seeing that they are all right, they are not there to serve the people, they are there to serve them selfs with there own greed.[/p][/quote]Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways It doesn't work both ways though does it Southy? If so, please furnish me with the name of the Polish/Lituanian city where 20000 English have settled. its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business You have a very naive view about the NHS. It has to be run on a sound business footing otherwise it will suck the economy dry.[/p][/quote]Yes it do work both ways all ways have done, The English are in every single country in the world taking jobs away from the locals. nothing as change there in since this country became a sea faring trading country, our biggest export is people. And if you think for one moment that stopping imergration will stop todays job problems it will not, it be just the same.[/p][/quote]HAHAHAHAHAHA You even sound like a politician!! I asked you to furnish me with some information and you went into a soundbite with no basis in fact. The name of the city please? Otherwise, not both ways!!!! st1halo
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4:18pm Sat 16 Feb 13

Dresnez says...

cantthinkofone wrote:
southy wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
TUSC speak from a decent platform. It's a shame that southy's patronising and illiterate ramblings (sorry southy, but that's an accurate description) on here have probably put so many people off ever considering them.
Is that why my % in elections have gone up, as i start to meet more and more people in person.
Then all I an say Not bad, i must be doing some thing right.
I'm sure you're far more persuasive in person. I mean that. You have a passion and belief that doesn't translate well through text, but can powerful in the flesh.

I'm not pointlessly being mean and insulting you, I think you genuinely do more harm than good to your cause with your posts on here.
Agreed cantthinkofone. Southy is right about a few things but people remember the militancy of the unions.

Greedy unions have given way to greedy tax avoiding corporations and the great God profit.

It would be nice to see the NHA (National Health Action party) get elected or some other independent.

So many politicians put party political and their financial backers interests before national interests.

We should all elect a group of independents that are not answerable to unions or party funders /lobbyists. I am sick of the vested interests pulling the strings.

But I expect they would get corrupted too.

It would be more difficult to get the cooperation of all the other independents so the electorate might get a better deal instead of politicians who are slaves to some macroeconomic ideology that failed in the 1920s/30s and the myth that free markets self correct and do not need regulating.
[quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: TUSC speak from a decent platform. It's a shame that southy's patronising and illiterate ramblings (sorry southy, but that's an accurate description) on here have probably put so many people off ever considering them.[/p][/quote]Is that why my % in elections have gone up, as i start to meet more and more people in person. Then all I an say Not bad, i must be doing some thing right.[/p][/quote]I'm sure you're far more persuasive in person. I mean that. You have a passion and belief that doesn't translate well through text, but can powerful in the flesh. I'm not pointlessly being mean and insulting you, I think you genuinely do more harm than good to your cause with your posts on here.[/p][/quote]Agreed cantthinkofone. Southy is right about a few things but people remember the militancy of the unions. Greedy unions have given way to greedy tax avoiding corporations and the great God profit. It would be nice to see the NHA (National Health Action party) get elected or some other independent. So many politicians put party political and their financial backers interests before national interests. We should all elect a group of independents that are not answerable to unions or party funders /lobbyists. I am sick of the vested interests pulling the strings. But I expect they would get corrupted too. It would be more difficult to get the cooperation of all the other independents so the electorate might get a better deal instead of politicians who are slaves to some macroeconomic ideology that failed in the 1920s/30s and the myth that free markets self correct and do not need regulating. Dresnez
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4:22pm Sat 16 Feb 13

st1halo says...

southy wrote:
southy wrote:
st1halo wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen.
http://www.youtube.c






om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3






3c

Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.
What is the difference between this man undercutting the normal MPs salary and the enterprising Pole/Lithuanian etc etc etc working for less than the UK worker who's job he has taken?
Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways.
The law must be change in this area, all companys should be force to pay the English going Rates, and not be used to undercut. But with MP's they are being over paid, and its not the best we getting like Thatcher said, we getting rotten apples at a very high price, and they are not very good at it also, apart from looking after them selfs and people seeing that they are all right, they are not there to serve the people, they are there to serve them selfs with there own greed.
Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways


It doesn't work both ways though does it Southy?
If so, please furnish me with the name of the Polish/Lituanian city where 20000 English have settled.

its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business

You have a very naive view about the NHS. It has to be run on a sound business footing otherwise it will suck the economy dry.
Yes it do work both ways all ways have done, The English are in every single country in the world taking jobs away from the locals. nothing as change there in since this country became a sea faring trading country, our biggest export is people.
And if you think for one moment that stopping imergration will stop todays job problems it will not, it be just the same.
The NHS is not a business its a public Health service, it keeps people fit and healty so that they can work
Read the post. I did not say it was a business, I said it needs to be run on a sound business footing. You fail to understand that the NHS will use however much money you put into it and more, there will never be enough money to fund it unless you introduce business principles to control it.
You may be anti-capitalist but surely even you understand that businesses make money out of it and ALWAYS have!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3 3c Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.[/p][/quote]What is the difference between this man undercutting the normal MPs salary and the enterprising Pole/Lithuanian etc etc etc working for less than the UK worker who's job he has taken?[/p][/quote]Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways. The law must be change in this area, all companys should be force to pay the English going Rates, and not be used to undercut. But with MP's they are being over paid, and its not the best we getting like Thatcher said, we getting rotten apples at a very high price, and they are not very good at it also, apart from looking after them selfs and people seeing that they are all right, they are not there to serve the people, they are there to serve them selfs with there own greed.[/p][/quote]Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways It doesn't work both ways though does it Southy? If so, please furnish me with the name of the Polish/Lituanian city where 20000 English have settled. its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business You have a very naive view about the NHS. It has to be run on a sound business footing otherwise it will suck the economy dry.[/p][/quote]Yes it do work both ways all ways have done, The English are in every single country in the world taking jobs away from the locals. nothing as change there in since this country became a sea faring trading country, our biggest export is people. And if you think for one moment that stopping imergration will stop todays job problems it will not, it be just the same.[/p][/quote]The NHS is not a business its a public Health service, it keeps people fit and healty so that they can work[/p][/quote]Read the post. I did not say it was a business, I said it needs to be run on a sound business footing. You fail to understand that the NHS will use however much money you put into it and more, there will never be enough money to fund it unless you introduce business principles to control it. You may be anti-capitalist but surely even you understand that businesses make money out of it and ALWAYS have! st1halo
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5:29pm Sat 16 Feb 13

sburman says...

Labour Maxed out our national credit card in the first place and now want to spend even more to fix it but at least sem to have an idea even if it is a idiotic one, Lib/con don't seem to have a clue.

A plague on all their houses, it's the Beer, Bacci, Crumpet party for me, at least thay know they are pointless.
Labour Maxed out our national credit card in the first place and now want to spend even more to fix it but at least sem to have an idea even if it is a idiotic one, Lib/con don't seem to have a clue. A plague on all their houses, it's the Beer, Bacci, Crumpet party for me, at least thay know they are pointless. sburman
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6:02pm Sat 16 Feb 13

southy says...

st1halo wrote:
southy wrote:
southy wrote:
st1halo wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen.
http://www.youtube.c







om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3







3c

Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.
What is the difference between this man undercutting the normal MPs salary and the enterprising Pole/Lithuanian etc etc etc working for less than the UK worker who's job he has taken?
Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways.
The law must be change in this area, all companys should be force to pay the English going Rates, and not be used to undercut. But with MP's they are being over paid, and its not the best we getting like Thatcher said, we getting rotten apples at a very high price, and they are not very good at it also, apart from looking after them selfs and people seeing that they are all right, they are not there to serve the people, they are there to serve them selfs with there own greed.
Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways


It doesn't work both ways though does it Southy?
If so, please furnish me with the name of the Polish/Lituanian city where 20000 English have settled.

its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business

You have a very naive view about the NHS. It has to be run on a sound business footing otherwise it will suck the economy dry.
Yes it do work both ways all ways have done, The English are in every single country in the world taking jobs away from the locals. nothing as change there in since this country became a sea faring trading country, our biggest export is people.
And if you think for one moment that stopping imergration will stop todays job problems it will not, it be just the same.
The NHS is not a business its a public Health service, it keeps people fit and healty so that they can work
Read the post. I did not say it was a business, I said it needs to be run on a sound business footing. You fail to understand that the NHS will use however much money you put into it and more, there will never be enough money to fund it unless you introduce business principles to control it.
You may be anti-capitalist but surely even you understand that businesses make money out of it and ALWAYS have!
You should under stand what your saying.
"needs to be run on a sound business footing" that is saying it should be run like a business, the only ones that can run some thing like the NHS is the doctors and nurses.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3 3c Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.[/p][/quote]What is the difference between this man undercutting the normal MPs salary and the enterprising Pole/Lithuanian etc etc etc working for less than the UK worker who's job he has taken?[/p][/quote]Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways. The law must be change in this area, all companys should be force to pay the English going Rates, and not be used to undercut. But with MP's they are being over paid, and its not the best we getting like Thatcher said, we getting rotten apples at a very high price, and they are not very good at it also, apart from looking after them selfs and people seeing that they are all right, they are not there to serve the people, they are there to serve them selfs with there own greed.[/p][/quote]Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways It doesn't work both ways though does it Southy? If so, please furnish me with the name of the Polish/Lituanian city where 20000 English have settled. its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business You have a very naive view about the NHS. It has to be run on a sound business footing otherwise it will suck the economy dry.[/p][/quote]Yes it do work both ways all ways have done, The English are in every single country in the world taking jobs away from the locals. nothing as change there in since this country became a sea faring trading country, our biggest export is people. And if you think for one moment that stopping imergration will stop todays job problems it will not, it be just the same.[/p][/quote]The NHS is not a business its a public Health service, it keeps people fit and healty so that they can work[/p][/quote]Read the post. I did not say it was a business, I said it needs to be run on a sound business footing. You fail to understand that the NHS will use however much money you put into it and more, there will never be enough money to fund it unless you introduce business principles to control it. You may be anti-capitalist but surely even you understand that businesses make money out of it and ALWAYS have![/p][/quote]You should under stand what your saying. "needs to be run on a sound business footing" that is saying it should be run like a business, the only ones that can run some thing like the NHS is the doctors and nurses. southy
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7:17pm Sat 16 Feb 13

st1halo says...

southy wrote:
st1halo wrote:
southy wrote:
southy wrote:
st1halo wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen.
http://www.youtube.c








om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3








3c

Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.
What is the difference between this man undercutting the normal MPs salary and the enterprising Pole/Lithuanian etc etc etc working for less than the UK worker who's job he has taken?
Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways.
The law must be change in this area, all companys should be force to pay the English going Rates, and not be used to undercut. But with MP's they are being over paid, and its not the best we getting like Thatcher said, we getting rotten apples at a very high price, and they are not very good at it also, apart from looking after them selfs and people seeing that they are all right, they are not there to serve the people, they are there to serve them selfs with there own greed.
Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways


It doesn't work both ways though does it Southy?
If so, please furnish me with the name of the Polish/Lituanian city where 20000 English have settled.

its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business

You have a very naive view about the NHS. It has to be run on a sound business footing otherwise it will suck the economy dry.
Yes it do work both ways all ways have done, The English are in every single country in the world taking jobs away from the locals. nothing as change there in since this country became a sea faring trading country, our biggest export is people.
And if you think for one moment that stopping imergration will stop todays job problems it will not, it be just the same.
The NHS is not a business its a public Health service, it keeps people fit and healty so that they can work
Read the post. I did not say it was a business, I said it needs to be run on a sound business footing. You fail to understand that the NHS will use however much money you put into it and more, there will never be enough money to fund it unless you introduce business principles to control it.
You may be anti-capitalist but surely even you understand that businesses make money out of it and ALWAYS have!
You should under stand what your saying.
"needs to be run on a sound business footing" that is saying it should be run like a business, the only ones that can run some thing like the NHS is the doctors and nurses.
What a foolish thing to say and typical of people like you who are idealistic and not practical.
Doctors and nurses provide the end service. If we train and pay doctors do we then expect them to go into the marketplace and find the best deals for beds and bedding, medical equipment, logistics, organise car parking, ambulances, maintenance, staffing and rotors, purchasing, administration, health and safety, liaison with other services, legal proceedings... a thousand things that basically they know nothing about!
WAKE UP! It needs to be run efficiently, not for profit, but on sound business principles because it is a business. The business of providing health care.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3 3c Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.[/p][/quote]What is the difference between this man undercutting the normal MPs salary and the enterprising Pole/Lithuanian etc etc etc working for less than the UK worker who's job he has taken?[/p][/quote]Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways. The law must be change in this area, all companys should be force to pay the English going Rates, and not be used to undercut. But with MP's they are being over paid, and its not the best we getting like Thatcher said, we getting rotten apples at a very high price, and they are not very good at it also, apart from looking after them selfs and people seeing that they are all right, they are not there to serve the people, they are there to serve them selfs with there own greed.[/p][/quote]Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways It doesn't work both ways though does it Southy? If so, please furnish me with the name of the Polish/Lituanian city where 20000 English have settled. its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business You have a very naive view about the NHS. It has to be run on a sound business footing otherwise it will suck the economy dry.[/p][/quote]Yes it do work both ways all ways have done, The English are in every single country in the world taking jobs away from the locals. nothing as change there in since this country became a sea faring trading country, our biggest export is people. And if you think for one moment that stopping imergration will stop todays job problems it will not, it be just the same.[/p][/quote]The NHS is not a business its a public Health service, it keeps people fit and healty so that they can work[/p][/quote]Read the post. I did not say it was a business, I said it needs to be run on a sound business footing. You fail to understand that the NHS will use however much money you put into it and more, there will never be enough money to fund it unless you introduce business principles to control it. You may be anti-capitalist but surely even you understand that businesses make money out of it and ALWAYS have![/p][/quote]You should under stand what your saying. "needs to be run on a sound business footing" that is saying it should be run like a business, the only ones that can run some thing like the NHS is the doctors and nurses.[/p][/quote]What a foolish thing to say and typical of people like you who are idealistic and not practical. Doctors and nurses provide the end service. If we train and pay doctors do we then expect them to go into the marketplace and find the best deals for beds and bedding, medical equipment, logistics, organise car parking, ambulances, maintenance, staffing and rotors, purchasing, administration, health and safety, liaison with other services, legal proceedings... a thousand things that basically they know nothing about! WAKE UP! It needs to be run efficiently, not for profit, but on sound business principles because it is a business. The business of providing health care. st1halo
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7:29pm Sat 16 Feb 13

IronLady2010 says...

st1halo wrote:
southy wrote:
st1halo wrote:
southy wrote:
southy wrote:
st1halo wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen.
http://www.youtube.c









om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3









3c

Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.
What is the difference between this man undercutting the normal MPs salary and the enterprising Pole/Lithuanian etc etc etc working for less than the UK worker who's job he has taken?
Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways.
The law must be change in this area, all companys should be force to pay the English going Rates, and not be used to undercut. But with MP's they are being over paid, and its not the best we getting like Thatcher said, we getting rotten apples at a very high price, and they are not very good at it also, apart from looking after them selfs and people seeing that they are all right, they are not there to serve the people, they are there to serve them selfs with there own greed.
Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways


It doesn't work both ways though does it Southy?
If so, please furnish me with the name of the Polish/Lituanian city where 20000 English have settled.

its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business

You have a very naive view about the NHS. It has to be run on a sound business footing otherwise it will suck the economy dry.
Yes it do work both ways all ways have done, The English are in every single country in the world taking jobs away from the locals. nothing as change there in since this country became a sea faring trading country, our biggest export is people.
And if you think for one moment that stopping imergration will stop todays job problems it will not, it be just the same.
The NHS is not a business its a public Health service, it keeps people fit and healty so that they can work
Read the post. I did not say it was a business, I said it needs to be run on a sound business footing. You fail to understand that the NHS will use however much money you put into it and more, there will never be enough money to fund it unless you introduce business principles to control it.
You may be anti-capitalist but surely even you understand that businesses make money out of it and ALWAYS have!
You should under stand what your saying.
"needs to be run on a sound business footing" that is saying it should be run like a business, the only ones that can run some thing like the NHS is the doctors and nurses.
What a foolish thing to say and typical of people like you who are idealistic and not practical.
Doctors and nurses provide the end service. If we train and pay doctors do we then expect them to go into the marketplace and find the best deals for beds and bedding, medical equipment, logistics, organise car parking, ambulances, maintenance, staffing and rotors, purchasing, administration, health and safety, liaison with other services, legal proceedings... a thousand things that basically they know nothing about!
WAKE UP! It needs to be run efficiently, not for profit, but on sound business principles because it is a business. The business of providing health care.
That's going to go straight over his head! I assure you!
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3 3c Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.[/p][/quote]What is the difference between this man undercutting the normal MPs salary and the enterprising Pole/Lithuanian etc etc etc working for less than the UK worker who's job he has taken?[/p][/quote]Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways. The law must be change in this area, all companys should be force to pay the English going Rates, and not be used to undercut. But with MP's they are being over paid, and its not the best we getting like Thatcher said, we getting rotten apples at a very high price, and they are not very good at it also, apart from looking after them selfs and people seeing that they are all right, they are not there to serve the people, they are there to serve them selfs with there own greed.[/p][/quote]Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways It doesn't work both ways though does it Southy? If so, please furnish me with the name of the Polish/Lituanian city where 20000 English have settled. its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business You have a very naive view about the NHS. It has to be run on a sound business footing otherwise it will suck the economy dry.[/p][/quote]Yes it do work both ways all ways have done, The English are in every single country in the world taking jobs away from the locals. nothing as change there in since this country became a sea faring trading country, our biggest export is people. And if you think for one moment that stopping imergration will stop todays job problems it will not, it be just the same.[/p][/quote]The NHS is not a business its a public Health service, it keeps people fit and healty so that they can work[/p][/quote]Read the post. I did not say it was a business, I said it needs to be run on a sound business footing. You fail to understand that the NHS will use however much money you put into it and more, there will never be enough money to fund it unless you introduce business principles to control it. You may be anti-capitalist but surely even you understand that businesses make money out of it and ALWAYS have![/p][/quote]You should under stand what your saying. "needs to be run on a sound business footing" that is saying it should be run like a business, the only ones that can run some thing like the NHS is the doctors and nurses.[/p][/quote]What a foolish thing to say and typical of people like you who are idealistic and not practical. Doctors and nurses provide the end service. If we train and pay doctors do we then expect them to go into the marketplace and find the best deals for beds and bedding, medical equipment, logistics, organise car parking, ambulances, maintenance, staffing and rotors, purchasing, administration, health and safety, liaison with other services, legal proceedings... a thousand things that basically they know nothing about! WAKE UP! It needs to be run efficiently, not for profit, but on sound business principles because it is a business. The business of providing health care.[/p][/quote]That's going to go straight over his head! I assure you! IronLady2010
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7:33pm Sat 16 Feb 13

skin2000 says...

cantthinkofone wrote:
Forget the three 'main' parties. Forget the xenophobic nutters at UKIP.

*******************

We are not *single issue*, but the state of the NHS and the health of future generations is currently our MAIN issue.

To this end we aim to:

Re-focus hospital trusts on patient outcomes, not financial targets.

Reverse the current drive for privatisation of NHS services.

Halt the senseless £20bn NHS cuts. The NHS is about saving lives. If the funding is cut, fewer lives will be saved.

Present candidates with a genuine interest in serving their constituents, not just blindly following the party line. We believe in people politics, not career politics.

*******************

That looks a good thing to me. If you think so too, consider voting for the NHA (National Health Action party).

I don't work for them. I don't campaign for them. I'm not a member. I don't know any of their candidates or members personally. But if I lived within the Eastleigh boundaries, I'd certainly be voting for them.
There is a lot of money to be made by selling off parts of the NHS, that is why Richard Branson is showing interest. The NHS belongs to all of us, and no way should any of it be sold off.
[quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: Forget the three 'main' parties. Forget the xenophobic nutters at UKIP. ******************* We are not *single issue*, but the state of the NHS and the health of future generations is currently our MAIN issue. To this end we aim to: Re-focus hospital trusts on patient outcomes, not financial targets. Reverse the current drive for privatisation of NHS services. Halt the senseless £20bn NHS cuts. The NHS is about saving lives. If the funding is cut, fewer lives will be saved. Present candidates with a genuine interest in serving their constituents, not just blindly following the party line. We believe in people politics, not career politics. ******************* That looks a good thing to me. If you think so too, consider voting for the NHA (National Health Action party). I don't work for them. I don't campaign for them. I'm not a member. I don't know any of their candidates or members personally. But if I lived within the Eastleigh boundaries, I'd certainly be voting for them.[/p][/quote]There is a lot of money to be made by selling off parts of the NHS, that is why Richard Branson is showing interest. The NHS belongs to all of us, and no way should any of it be sold off. skin2000
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8:06pm Sat 16 Feb 13

LancashireLad says...

I have just heard that Pastor Kevin Milburn is standing in the Eastleigh By- election for The Christian Party ; that means there are at least two Christians standing in this by- election, the other Danny Stupple standing as an Independent I believe..as previously mentioned this now creates a very interesting situation in Eastleigh, with a Conservative candidate, a UK Independence Party candidate, Kevin Milburn The Christian Party and Danny Stupple Independent who are all against-gay-marriage and pro traditional family plus the Conservative candidate is also pro-life and anti-EU... so lets hope between them they can defeat the Liberal Democrat candidate. Lets also hope the current important moral issues are debated in the nation leading up to this important by election and the elections that follow.

Maybe this by -election will be a forerunner for the European and General elections with tactical voting for individual candidates from the faith vote, ( estimated to be up to 4 million votes in the UK) not to mention the silent majority who have been ignored for more than a decade by trendy liberal governments first New labour and now a liberal led coalition; who have gone out of their way to appease a tiny militant minority in the clamour for so called equality and diversity, and to be seen as progressive modernists. But at what price to British society? It now seems some minorities are more equal than others, especially over Christians, with gay rights trumping all before them; when in conflict with matters of conscience or Christian beliefs, in what is seen by many as some kind of social experiment / engineering or some kind of up side down democracy, with minority rule.

Perhaps the Eastleigh by-election is the first opportunity for the electorate to give their verdict.
I have just heard that Pastor Kevin Milburn is standing in the Eastleigh By- election for The Christian Party ; that means there are at least two Christians standing in this by- election, the other Danny Stupple standing as an Independent I believe..as previously mentioned this now creates a very interesting situation in Eastleigh, with a Conservative candidate, a UK Independence Party candidate, Kevin Milburn The Christian Party and Danny Stupple Independent who are all against-gay-marriage and pro traditional family plus the Conservative candidate is also pro-life and anti-EU... so lets hope between them they can defeat the Liberal Democrat candidate. Lets also hope the current important moral issues are debated in the nation leading up to this important by election and the elections that follow. Maybe this by -election will be a forerunner for the European and General elections with tactical voting for individual candidates from the faith vote, ( estimated to be up to 4 million votes in the UK) not to mention the silent majority who have been ignored for more than a decade by trendy liberal governments first New labour and now a liberal led coalition; who have gone out of their way to appease a tiny militant minority in the clamour for so called equality and diversity, and to be seen as progressive modernists. But at what price to British society? It now seems some minorities are more equal than others, especially over Christians, with gay rights trumping all before them; when in conflict with matters of conscience or Christian beliefs, in what is seen by many as some kind of social experiment / engineering or some kind of up side down democracy, with minority rule. Perhaps the Eastleigh by-election is the first opportunity for the electorate to give their verdict. LancashireLad
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8:11pm Sat 16 Feb 13

southy says...

st1halo wrote:
southy wrote:
st1halo wrote:
southy wrote:
southy wrote:
st1halo wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen.
http://www.youtube.c









om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3









3c

Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.
What is the difference between this man undercutting the normal MPs salary and the enterprising Pole/Lithuanian etc etc etc working for less than the UK worker who's job he has taken?
Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways.
The law must be change in this area, all companys should be force to pay the English going Rates, and not be used to undercut. But with MP's they are being over paid, and its not the best we getting like Thatcher said, we getting rotten apples at a very high price, and they are not very good at it also, apart from looking after them selfs and people seeing that they are all right, they are not there to serve the people, they are there to serve them selfs with there own greed.
Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways


It doesn't work both ways though does it Southy?
If so, please furnish me with the name of the Polish/Lituanian city where 20000 English have settled.

its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business

You have a very naive view about the NHS. It has to be run on a sound business footing otherwise it will suck the economy dry.
Yes it do work both ways all ways have done, The English are in every single country in the world taking jobs away from the locals. nothing as change there in since this country became a sea faring trading country, our biggest export is people.
And if you think for one moment that stopping imergration will stop todays job problems it will not, it be just the same.
The NHS is not a business its a public Health service, it keeps people fit and healty so that they can work
Read the post. I did not say it was a business, I said it needs to be run on a sound business footing. You fail to understand that the NHS will use however much money you put into it and more, there will never be enough money to fund it unless you introduce business principles to control it.
You may be anti-capitalist but surely even you understand that businesses make money out of it and ALWAYS have!
You should under stand what your saying.
"needs to be run on a sound business footing" that is saying it should be run like a business, the only ones that can run some thing like the NHS is the doctors and nurses.
What a foolish thing to say and typical of people like you who are idealistic and not practical.
Doctors and nurses provide the end service. If we train and pay doctors do we then expect them to go into the marketplace and find the best deals for beds and bedding, medical equipment, logistics, organise car parking, ambulances, maintenance, staffing and rotors, purchasing, administration, health and safety, liaison with other services, legal proceedings... a thousand things that basically they know nothing about!
WAKE UP! It needs to be run efficiently, not for profit, but on sound business principles because it is a business. The business of providing health care.
Then tell me why it work 10 times better before it was mess about with in the 80's by the torys.
Before it was mess with in the 80's the NHS was run by its staff the Doctors and Nurses, they employed people to do the admin stuff, leaving the doctors and nurse to run the service, they knew what equipment they needed, and what number of staff was needed, The problem with any managerment they do not know never have done never will, they rely on front line staff to tell them, its a case in any business the front line staff know more about there work place than any boss do.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3 3c Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.[/p][/quote]What is the difference between this man undercutting the normal MPs salary and the enterprising Pole/Lithuanian etc etc etc working for less than the UK worker who's job he has taken?[/p][/quote]Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways. The law must be change in this area, all companys should be force to pay the English going Rates, and not be used to undercut. But with MP's they are being over paid, and its not the best we getting like Thatcher said, we getting rotten apples at a very high price, and they are not very good at it also, apart from looking after them selfs and people seeing that they are all right, they are not there to serve the people, they are there to serve them selfs with there own greed.[/p][/quote]Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways It doesn't work both ways though does it Southy? If so, please furnish me with the name of the Polish/Lituanian city where 20000 English have settled. its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business You have a very naive view about the NHS. It has to be run on a sound business footing otherwise it will suck the economy dry.[/p][/quote]Yes it do work both ways all ways have done, The English are in every single country in the world taking jobs away from the locals. nothing as change there in since this country became a sea faring trading country, our biggest export is people. And if you think for one moment that stopping imergration will stop todays job problems it will not, it be just the same.[/p][/quote]The NHS is not a business its a public Health service, it keeps people fit and healty so that they can work[/p][/quote]Read the post. I did not say it was a business, I said it needs to be run on a sound business footing. You fail to understand that the NHS will use however much money you put into it and more, there will never be enough money to fund it unless you introduce business principles to control it. You may be anti-capitalist but surely even you understand that businesses make money out of it and ALWAYS have![/p][/quote]You should under stand what your saying. "needs to be run on a sound business footing" that is saying it should be run like a business, the only ones that can run some thing like the NHS is the doctors and nurses.[/p][/quote]What a foolish thing to say and typical of people like you who are idealistic and not practical. Doctors and nurses provide the end service. If we train and pay doctors do we then expect them to go into the marketplace and find the best deals for beds and bedding, medical equipment, logistics, organise car parking, ambulances, maintenance, staffing and rotors, purchasing, administration, health and safety, liaison with other services, legal proceedings... a thousand things that basically they know nothing about! WAKE UP! It needs to be run efficiently, not for profit, but on sound business principles because it is a business. The business of providing health care.[/p][/quote]Then tell me why it work 10 times better before it was mess about with in the 80's by the torys. Before it was mess with in the 80's the NHS was run by its staff the Doctors and Nurses, they employed people to do the admin stuff, leaving the doctors and nurse to run the service, they knew what equipment they needed, and what number of staff was needed, The problem with any managerment they do not know never have done never will, they rely on front line staff to tell them, its a case in any business the front line staff know more about there work place than any boss do. southy
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8:15pm Sat 16 Feb 13

freefinker says...

LancashireLad wrote:
I have just heard that Pastor Kevin Milburn is standing in the Eastleigh By- election for The Christian Party ; that means there are at least two Christians standing in this by- election, the other Danny Stupple standing as an Independent I believe..as previously mentioned this now creates a very interesting situation in Eastleigh, with a Conservative candidate, a UK Independence Party candidate, Kevin Milburn The Christian Party and Danny Stupple Independent who are all against-gay-marriage and pro traditional family plus the Conservative candidate is also pro-life and anti-EU... so lets hope between them they can defeat the Liberal Democrat candidate. Lets also hope the current important moral issues are debated in the nation leading up to this important by election and the elections that follow.

Maybe this by -election will be a forerunner for the European and General elections with tactical voting for individual candidates from the faith vote, ( estimated to be up to 4 million votes in the UK) not to mention the silent majority who have been ignored for more than a decade by trendy liberal governments first New labour and now a liberal led coalition; who have gone out of their way to appease a tiny militant minority in the clamour for so called equality and diversity, and to be seen as progressive modernists. But at what price to British society? It now seems some minorities are more equal than others, especially over Christians, with gay rights trumping all before them; when in conflict with matters of conscience or Christian beliefs, in what is seen by many as some kind of social experiment / engineering or some kind of up side down democracy, with minority rule.

Perhaps the Eastleigh by-election is the first opportunity for the electorate to give their verdict.
.. yep, it will be interesting to see who gets more votes: Monster Raving Looney Party, Christian Party and TUSC.

If I was a betting person, I'd say it would be in that descending order.
[quote][p][bold]LancashireLad[/bold] wrote: I have just heard that Pastor Kevin Milburn is standing in the Eastleigh By- election for The Christian Party ; that means there are at least two Christians standing in this by- election, the other Danny Stupple standing as an Independent I believe..as previously mentioned this now creates a very interesting situation in Eastleigh, with a Conservative candidate, a UK Independence Party candidate, Kevin Milburn The Christian Party and Danny Stupple Independent who are all against-gay-marriage and pro traditional family plus the Conservative candidate is also pro-life and anti-EU... so lets hope between them they can defeat the Liberal Democrat candidate. Lets also hope the current important moral issues are debated in the nation leading up to this important by election and the elections that follow. Maybe this by -election will be a forerunner for the European and General elections with tactical voting for individual candidates from the faith vote, ( estimated to be up to 4 million votes in the UK) not to mention the silent majority who have been ignored for more than a decade by trendy liberal governments first New labour and now a liberal led coalition; who have gone out of their way to appease a tiny militant minority in the clamour for so called equality and diversity, and to be seen as progressive modernists. But at what price to British society? It now seems some minorities are more equal than others, especially over Christians, with gay rights trumping all before them; when in conflict with matters of conscience or Christian beliefs, in what is seen by many as some kind of social experiment / engineering or some kind of up side down democracy, with minority rule. Perhaps the Eastleigh by-election is the first opportunity for the electorate to give their verdict.[/p][/quote].. yep, it will be interesting to see who gets more votes: Monster Raving Looney Party, Christian Party and TUSC. If I was a betting person, I'd say it would be in that descending order. freefinker
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8:19pm Sat 16 Feb 13

IronLady2010 says...

LancashireLad wrote:
I have just heard that Pastor Kevin Milburn is standing in the Eastleigh By- election for The Christian Party ; that means there are at least two Christians standing in this by- election, the other Danny Stupple standing as an Independent I believe..as previously mentioned this now creates a very interesting situation in Eastleigh, with a Conservative candidate, a UK Independence Party candidate, Kevin Milburn The Christian Party and Danny Stupple Independent who are all against-gay-marriage and pro traditional family plus the Conservative candidate is also pro-life and anti-EU... so lets hope between them they can defeat the Liberal Democrat candidate. Lets also hope the current important moral issues are debated in the nation leading up to this important by election and the elections that follow.

Maybe this by -election will be a forerunner for the European and General elections with tactical voting for individual candidates from the faith vote, ( estimated to be up to 4 million votes in the UK) not to mention the silent majority who have been ignored for more than a decade by trendy liberal governments first New labour and now a liberal led coalition; who have gone out of their way to appease a tiny militant minority in the clamour for so called equality and diversity, and to be seen as progressive modernists. But at what price to British society? It now seems some minorities are more equal than others, especially over Christians, with gay rights trumping all before them; when in conflict with matters of conscience or Christian beliefs, in what is seen by many as some kind of social experiment / engineering or some kind of up side down democracy, with minority rule.

Perhaps the Eastleigh by-election is the first opportunity for the electorate to give their verdict.
If they get 5 votes i'd be shocked!
[quote][p][bold]LancashireLad[/bold] wrote: I have just heard that Pastor Kevin Milburn is standing in the Eastleigh By- election for The Christian Party ; that means there are at least two Christians standing in this by- election, the other Danny Stupple standing as an Independent I believe..as previously mentioned this now creates a very interesting situation in Eastleigh, with a Conservative candidate, a UK Independence Party candidate, Kevin Milburn The Christian Party and Danny Stupple Independent who are all against-gay-marriage and pro traditional family plus the Conservative candidate is also pro-life and anti-EU... so lets hope between them they can defeat the Liberal Democrat candidate. Lets also hope the current important moral issues are debated in the nation leading up to this important by election and the elections that follow. Maybe this by -election will be a forerunner for the European and General elections with tactical voting for individual candidates from the faith vote, ( estimated to be up to 4 million votes in the UK) not to mention the silent majority who have been ignored for more than a decade by trendy liberal governments first New labour and now a liberal led coalition; who have gone out of their way to appease a tiny militant minority in the clamour for so called equality and diversity, and to be seen as progressive modernists. But at what price to British society? It now seems some minorities are more equal than others, especially over Christians, with gay rights trumping all before them; when in conflict with matters of conscience or Christian beliefs, in what is seen by many as some kind of social experiment / engineering or some kind of up side down democracy, with minority rule. Perhaps the Eastleigh by-election is the first opportunity for the electorate to give their verdict.[/p][/quote]If they get 5 votes i'd be shocked! IronLady2010
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8:24pm Sat 16 Feb 13

kingnotail says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen.
http://www.youtube.c







om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3







3c

Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.
.. if you really think the electorate will decide on who to vote for on trivial grounds such as this, rather than on the real issues that face our country, then it is no wonder TUSC is doomed to lose its deposit and be an also-ran (together with the Monster Raving Looney Party) in this by-election.
Its not just wage, its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business, The TUSC will put people health care first with in the welfare system, Theres a lot more to the TUSC than your willing to amit.
MP wages are well over the top and could be cut in half, and still would not need to make any expenses claims, the TUSC are the only ones willing to tackle this problem of MP's Greed, they are ment to be there to serve the people not them selfs.
When Thatcher said if you want the best, then you must pay for them, she missed out the part it will only bring in the greedy ones who are there only for the money that can be made and not base on weather if they can do the job.
We offer the vote on the EU like one or 2 other minor partys do, Socialist have all ways said we do not need some thing like a union of countrys to be able to work with other countrys.
And we would look at this council tax system and if its chosen to be kept, then more bans will be added to the present ones we got. going to A to Z if need be.
Government would not be able to control councils money like they do now, also councils will be allowed to build there own homes, with out asking Government permission (they can get that from the local people).
The TUSC are more in tune with ordinary people than any other political party and thats because we are made up from ordinary people, run by ordinary people and are for ordinary people.
.. then there must be very few 'ordinary people' left in this country as the vote TUSC consistently gets is derisory.

Might it be that the vast majority do not take kindly to being classified as 'ordinary' by fantasists like you?
The vast majority still don't know about us yet, but are slowly getting to, we are a new party, an being ordinary covers the majority of us, the classes is still with us and getting wider by the moment and will carry on doing so, till there are some changes, we offer those changes so that gap will start to become narrower, and we get a fairer system,
.. the 'vast majority' DO know what you are and what you stand for. And that's why you always get so few votes. Do not underestimate the intelligence of the electorate with such condescending nonsense.

The electorate are aware of what happened when Militant Tendency, by its policy of entryism, gained control of Liverpool council. It was an absolute disaster for the inhabitants and your bunch of Trots have been totally rejected by the voters of Liverpool ever since.
Free you would not know, you just sit on that chair indoors, you don't go out on the streets and talk to people and ask questions, you do not go out and work stalls, so you will never know how many know of us, and the sad fact remains people still come up to the stalls and ask what are we all about, they do not know that the TUSC excised, even Union members do not or even heard of us before, and the reason for that is the TUSC is new 4 years old if you want to the N2EU campiagne.
and this rubbish what you said about Liverpool to many people do not know what really went on there apart from the connection to Labour, but many do know that Liverpool came out of better than any other councils because what happened, they gain more out of the government because the government was force to, No other council area could get any where near what Liverpool gain, They got loads of council homes built, where the rest of the country was not allowed to build any, they got biggest amount of job recreation in the country, while others got nothing but a down turn. It was not a disaster at all it was a great gain for Liverpool, only reason why they not there now is because the Government put a ban on them to stand in any elections.
Hatton when he in Liverpool the crowds flock around him in very high numbers all wanting to shake his hand to say thank you, and asking when are they coming back Liverpool needs them, he draws a biggist crowd in Liverpool than any other politician. in the country could, and all are well wishers.
Derek Hatton is nothing less than a total c**t.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3 3c Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.[/p][/quote].. if you really think the electorate will decide on who to vote for on trivial grounds such as this, rather than on the real issues that face our country, then it is no wonder TUSC is doomed to lose its deposit and be an also-ran (together with the Monster Raving Looney Party) in this by-election.[/p][/quote]Its not just wage, its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business, The TUSC will put people health care first with in the welfare system, Theres a lot more to the TUSC than your willing to amit. MP wages are well over the top and could be cut in half, and still would not need to make any expenses claims, the TUSC are the only ones willing to tackle this problem of MP's Greed, they are ment to be there to serve the people not them selfs. When Thatcher said if you want the best, then you must pay for them, she missed out the part it will only bring in the greedy ones who are there only for the money that can be made and not base on weather if they can do the job. We offer the vote on the EU like one or 2 other minor partys do, Socialist have all ways said we do not need some thing like a union of countrys to be able to work with other countrys. And we would look at this council tax system and if its chosen to be kept, then more bans will be added to the present ones we got. going to A to Z if need be. Government would not be able to control councils money like they do now, also councils will be allowed to build there own homes, with out asking Government permission (they can get that from the local people). The TUSC are more in tune with ordinary people than any other political party and thats because we are made up from ordinary people, run by ordinary people and are for ordinary people.[/p][/quote].. then there must be very few 'ordinary people' left in this country as the vote TUSC consistently gets is derisory. Might it be that the vast majority do not take kindly to being classified as 'ordinary' by fantasists like you?[/p][/quote]The vast majority still don't know about us yet, but are slowly getting to, we are a new party, an being ordinary covers the majority of us, the classes is still with us and getting wider by the moment and will carry on doing so, till there are some changes, we offer those changes so that gap will start to become narrower, and we get a fairer system,[/p][/quote].. the 'vast majority' DO know what you are and what you stand for. And that's why you always get so few votes. Do not underestimate the intelligence of the electorate with such condescending nonsense. The electorate are aware of what happened when Militant Tendency, by its policy of entryism, gained control of Liverpool council. It was an absolute disaster for the inhabitants and your bunch of Trots have been totally rejected by the voters of Liverpool ever since.[/p][/quote]Free you would not know, you just sit on that chair indoors, you don't go out on the streets and talk to people and ask questions, you do not go out and work stalls, so you will never know how many know of us, and the sad fact remains people still come up to the stalls and ask what are we all about, they do not know that the TUSC excised, even Union members do not or even heard of us before, and the reason for that is the TUSC is new 4 years old if you want to the N2EU campiagne. and this rubbish what you said about Liverpool to many people do not know what really went on there apart from the connection to Labour, but many do know that Liverpool came out of better than any other councils because what happened, they gain more out of the government because the government was force to, No other council area could get any where near what Liverpool gain, They got loads of council homes built, where the rest of the country was not allowed to build any, they got biggest amount of job recreation in the country, while others got nothing but a down turn. It was not a disaster at all it was a great gain for Liverpool, only reason why they not there now is because the Government put a ban on them to stand in any elections. Hatton when he in Liverpool the crowds flock around him in very high numbers all wanting to shake his hand to say thank you, and asking when are they coming back Liverpool needs them, he draws a biggist crowd in Liverpool than any other politician. in the country could, and all are well wishers.[/p][/quote]Derek Hatton is nothing less than a total c**t. kingnotail
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8:27pm Sat 16 Feb 13

IronLady2010 says...

kingnotail wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen.
http://www.youtube.c








om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3








3c

Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.
.. if you really think the electorate will decide on who to vote for on trivial grounds such as this, rather than on the real issues that face our country, then it is no wonder TUSC is doomed to lose its deposit and be an also-ran (together with the Monster Raving Looney Party) in this by-election.
Its not just wage, its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business, The TUSC will put people health care first with in the welfare system, Theres a lot more to the TUSC than your willing to amit.
MP wages are well over the top and could be cut in half, and still would not need to make any expenses claims, the TUSC are the only ones willing to tackle this problem of MP's Greed, they are ment to be there to serve the people not them selfs.
When Thatcher said if you want the best, then you must pay for them, she missed out the part it will only bring in the greedy ones who are there only for the money that can be made and not base on weather if they can do the job.
We offer the vote on the EU like one or 2 other minor partys do, Socialist have all ways said we do not need some thing like a union of countrys to be able to work with other countrys.
And we would look at this council tax system and if its chosen to be kept, then more bans will be added to the present ones we got. going to A to Z if need be.
Government would not be able to control councils money like they do now, also councils will be allowed to build there own homes, with out asking Government permission (they can get that from the local people).
The TUSC are more in tune with ordinary people than any other political party and thats because we are made up from ordinary people, run by ordinary people and are for ordinary people.
.. then there must be very few 'ordinary people' left in this country as the vote TUSC consistently gets is derisory.

Might it be that the vast majority do not take kindly to being classified as 'ordinary' by fantasists like you?
The vast majority still don't know about us yet, but are slowly getting to, we are a new party, an being ordinary covers the majority of us, the classes is still with us and getting wider by the moment and will carry on doing so, till there are some changes, we offer those changes so that gap will start to become narrower, and we get a fairer system,
.. the 'vast majority' DO know what you are and what you stand for. And that's why you always get so few votes. Do not underestimate the intelligence of the electorate with such condescending nonsense.

The electorate are aware of what happened when Militant Tendency, by its policy of entryism, gained control of Liverpool council. It was an absolute disaster for the inhabitants and your bunch of Trots have been totally rejected by the voters of Liverpool ever since.
Free you would not know, you just sit on that chair indoors, you don't go out on the streets and talk to people and ask questions, you do not go out and work stalls, so you will never know how many know of us, and the sad fact remains people still come up to the stalls and ask what are we all about, they do not know that the TUSC excised, even Union members do not or even heard of us before, and the reason for that is the TUSC is new 4 years old if you want to the N2EU campiagne.
and this rubbish what you said about Liverpool to many people do not know what really went on there apart from the connection to Labour, but many do know that Liverpool came out of better than any other councils because what happened, they gain more out of the government because the government was force to, No other council area could get any where near what Liverpool gain, They got loads of council homes built, where the rest of the country was not allowed to build any, they got biggest amount of job recreation in the country, while others got nothing but a down turn. It was not a disaster at all it was a great gain for Liverpool, only reason why they not there now is because the Government put a ban on them to stand in any elections.
Hatton when he in Liverpool the crowds flock around him in very high numbers all wanting to shake his hand to say thank you, and asking when are they coming back Liverpool needs them, he draws a biggist crowd in Liverpool than any other politician. in the country could, and all are well wishers.
Derek Hatton is nothing less than a total c**t.
I think you Kingtail are far worse ;-) Have a happy life and cheer up, you're obviously VERY unhappy!
[quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3 3c Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.[/p][/quote].. if you really think the electorate will decide on who to vote for on trivial grounds such as this, rather than on the real issues that face our country, then it is no wonder TUSC is doomed to lose its deposit and be an also-ran (together with the Monster Raving Looney Party) in this by-election.[/p][/quote]Its not just wage, its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business, The TUSC will put people health care first with in the welfare system, Theres a lot more to the TUSC than your willing to amit. MP wages are well over the top and could be cut in half, and still would not need to make any expenses claims, the TUSC are the only ones willing to tackle this problem of MP's Greed, they are ment to be there to serve the people not them selfs. When Thatcher said if you want the best, then you must pay for them, she missed out the part it will only bring in the greedy ones who are there only for the money that can be made and not base on weather if they can do the job. We offer the vote on the EU like one or 2 other minor partys do, Socialist have all ways said we do not need some thing like a union of countrys to be able to work with other countrys. And we would look at this council tax system and if its chosen to be kept, then more bans will be added to the present ones we got. going to A to Z if need be. Government would not be able to control councils money like they do now, also councils will be allowed to build there own homes, with out asking Government permission (they can get that from the local people). The TUSC are more in tune with ordinary people than any other political party and thats because we are made up from ordinary people, run by ordinary people and are for ordinary people.[/p][/quote].. then there must be very few 'ordinary people' left in this country as the vote TUSC consistently gets is derisory. Might it be that the vast majority do not take kindly to being classified as 'ordinary' by fantasists like you?[/p][/quote]The vast majority still don't know about us yet, but are slowly getting to, we are a new party, an being ordinary covers the majority of us, the classes is still with us and getting wider by the moment and will carry on doing so, till there are some changes, we offer those changes so that gap will start to become narrower, and we get a fairer system,[/p][/quote].. the 'vast majority' DO know what you are and what you stand for. And that's why you always get so few votes. Do not underestimate the intelligence of the electorate with such condescending nonsense. The electorate are aware of what happened when Militant Tendency, by its policy of entryism, gained control of Liverpool council. It was an absolute disaster for the inhabitants and your bunch of Trots have been totally rejected by the voters of Liverpool ever since.[/p][/quote]Free you would not know, you just sit on that chair indoors, you don't go out on the streets and talk to people and ask questions, you do not go out and work stalls, so you will never know how many know of us, and the sad fact remains people still come up to the stalls and ask what are we all about, they do not know that the TUSC excised, even Union members do not or even heard of us before, and the reason for that is the TUSC is new 4 years old if you want to the N2EU campiagne. and this rubbish what you said about Liverpool to many people do not know what really went on there apart from the connection to Labour, but many do know that Liverpool came out of better than any other councils because what happened, they gain more out of the government because the government was force to, No other council area could get any where near what Liverpool gain, They got loads of council homes built, where the rest of the country was not allowed to build any, they got biggest amount of job recreation in the country, while others got nothing but a down turn. It was not a disaster at all it was a great gain for Liverpool, only reason why they not there now is because the Government put a ban on them to stand in any elections. Hatton when he in Liverpool the crowds flock around him in very high numbers all wanting to shake his hand to say thank you, and asking when are they coming back Liverpool needs them, he draws a biggist crowd in Liverpool than any other politician. in the country could, and all are well wishers.[/p][/quote]Derek Hatton is nothing less than a total c**t.[/p][/quote]I think you Kingtail are far worse ;-) Have a happy life and cheer up, you're obviously VERY unhappy! IronLady2010
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8:29pm Sat 16 Feb 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
st1halo wrote:
southy wrote:
st1halo wrote:
southy wrote:
southy wrote:
st1halo wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen.
http://www.youtube.c










om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3










3c

Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.
What is the difference between this man undercutting the normal MPs salary and the enterprising Pole/Lithuanian etc etc etc working for less than the UK worker who's job he has taken?
Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways.
The law must be change in this area, all companys should be force to pay the English going Rates, and not be used to undercut. But with MP's they are being over paid, and its not the best we getting like Thatcher said, we getting rotten apples at a very high price, and they are not very good at it also, apart from looking after them selfs and people seeing that they are all right, they are not there to serve the people, they are there to serve them selfs with there own greed.
Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways


It doesn't work both ways though does it Southy?
If so, please furnish me with the name of the Polish/Lituanian city where 20000 English have settled.

its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business

You have a very naive view about the NHS. It has to be run on a sound business footing otherwise it will suck the economy dry.
Yes it do work both ways all ways have done, The English are in every single country in the world taking jobs away from the locals. nothing as change there in since this country became a sea faring trading country, our biggest export is people.
And if you think for one moment that stopping imergration will stop todays job problems it will not, it be just the same.
The NHS is not a business its a public Health service, it keeps people fit and healty so that they can work
Read the post. I did not say it was a business, I said it needs to be run on a sound business footing. You fail to understand that the NHS will use however much money you put into it and more, there will never be enough money to fund it unless you introduce business principles to control it.
You may be anti-capitalist but surely even you understand that businesses make money out of it and ALWAYS have!
You should under stand what your saying.
"needs to be run on a sound business footing" that is saying it should be run like a business, the only ones that can run some thing like the NHS is the doctors and nurses.
What a foolish thing to say and typical of people like you who are idealistic and not practical.
Doctors and nurses provide the end service. If we train and pay doctors do we then expect them to go into the marketplace and find the best deals for beds and bedding, medical equipment, logistics, organise car parking, ambulances, maintenance, staffing and rotors, purchasing, administration, health and safety, liaison with other services, legal proceedings... a thousand things that basically they know nothing about!
WAKE UP! It needs to be run efficiently, not for profit, but on sound business principles because it is a business. The business of providing health care.
Then tell me why it work 10 times better before it was mess about with in the 80's by the torys.
Before it was mess with in the 80's the NHS was run by its staff the Doctors and Nurses, they employed people to do the admin stuff, leaving the doctors and nurse to run the service, they knew what equipment they needed, and what number of staff was needed, The problem with any managerment they do not know never have done never will, they rely on front line staff to tell them, its a case in any business the front line staff know more about there work place than any boss do.
.. 10 times better? Your statistical source for this is?

No, before the 80's it was not 'run by its staff the Doctors and Nurses'. It was run from Whitehall.

Don't get me wrong southy, I think it's atrocious what NuLabour and this dreadful coalition are doing in dismantling the NHS and handing it over, free of charge, to private enterprise.

But telling untruths is not at all helpful. Every organisation needs to be managed efficiently and that requires competent managers. Medical staff are not trained to be such managers, or necessarily have the skills to appoint non-medical staff, or decide on how the administration should be organised.

And I thought you Trots were quite big on demarcation.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3 3c Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.[/p][/quote]What is the difference between this man undercutting the normal MPs salary and the enterprising Pole/Lithuanian etc etc etc working for less than the UK worker who's job he has taken?[/p][/quote]Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways. The law must be change in this area, all companys should be force to pay the English going Rates, and not be used to undercut. But with MP's they are being over paid, and its not the best we getting like Thatcher said, we getting rotten apples at a very high price, and they are not very good at it also, apart from looking after them selfs and people seeing that they are all right, they are not there to serve the people, they are there to serve them selfs with there own greed.[/p][/quote]Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways It doesn't work both ways though does it Southy? If so, please furnish me with the name of the Polish/Lituanian city where 20000 English have settled. its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business You have a very naive view about the NHS. It has to be run on a sound business footing otherwise it will suck the economy dry.[/p][/quote]Yes it do work both ways all ways have done, The English are in every single country in the world taking jobs away from the locals. nothing as change there in since this country became a sea faring trading country, our biggest export is people. And if you think for one moment that stopping imergration will stop todays job problems it will not, it be just the same.[/p][/quote]The NHS is not a business its a public Health service, it keeps people fit and healty so that they can work[/p][/quote]Read the post. I did not say it was a business, I said it needs to be run on a sound business footing. You fail to understand that the NHS will use however much money you put into it and more, there will never be enough money to fund it unless you introduce business principles to control it. You may be anti-capitalist but surely even you understand that businesses make money out of it and ALWAYS have![/p][/quote]You should under stand what your saying. "needs to be run on a sound business footing" that is saying it should be run like a business, the only ones that can run some thing like the NHS is the doctors and nurses.[/p][/quote]What a foolish thing to say and typical of people like you who are idealistic and not practical. Doctors and nurses provide the end service. If we train and pay doctors do we then expect them to go into the marketplace and find the best deals for beds and bedding, medical equipment, logistics, organise car parking, ambulances, maintenance, staffing and rotors, purchasing, administration, health and safety, liaison with other services, legal proceedings... a thousand things that basically they know nothing about! WAKE UP! It needs to be run efficiently, not for profit, but on sound business principles because it is a business. The business of providing health care.[/p][/quote]Then tell me why it work 10 times better before it was mess about with in the 80's by the torys. Before it was mess with in the 80's the NHS was run by its staff the Doctors and Nurses, they employed people to do the admin stuff, leaving the doctors and nurse to run the service, they knew what equipment they needed, and what number of staff was needed, The problem with any managerment they do not know never have done never will, they rely on front line staff to tell them, its a case in any business the front line staff know more about there work place than any boss do.[/p][/quote].. 10 times better? Your statistical source for this is? No, before the 80's it was not 'run by its staff the Doctors and Nurses'. It was run from Whitehall. Don't get me wrong southy, I think it's atrocious what NuLabour and this dreadful coalition are doing in dismantling the NHS and handing it over, free of charge, to private enterprise. But telling untruths is not at all helpful. Every organisation needs to be managed efficiently and that requires competent managers. Medical staff are not trained to be such managers, or necessarily have the skills to appoint non-medical staff, or decide on how the administration should be organised. And I thought you Trots were quite big on demarcation. freefinker
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8:38pm Sat 16 Feb 13

andysaint says...

I think this is just a bit optimistic but id like a government who:
Didnt lie to us at every opportunity.
Didnt think of themselves/their party before us.
Had a fair tax system - ive never really understood why we dont all pay the same percentage of our income whether you earn a million or your on min wage.
Spent money wisely - schools and hospitals - not sending armies out to every country that gets into a war - it aint our job to be the worlds policeman.
Stops paying benefit to families that dont live here and stops agreeing to take an infinite amount of european refugees.
I know im being naive but i actually think that fairness and honesty can be acheived - although not with our 3 main parties. Perhaps its time we stood up for ourselves - stopped voting and paying our taxes until these idiots understood - weve had enough - treat us like adults - treat us fairly or we will change the system for them.
I think this is just a bit optimistic but id like a government who: Didnt lie to us at every opportunity. Didnt think of themselves/their party before us. Had a fair tax system - ive never really understood why we dont all pay the same percentage of our income whether you earn a million or your on min wage. Spent money wisely - schools and hospitals - not sending armies out to every country that gets into a war - it aint our job to be the worlds policeman. Stops paying benefit to families that dont live here and stops agreeing to take an infinite amount of european refugees. I know im being naive but i actually think that fairness and honesty can be acheived - although not with our 3 main parties. Perhaps its time we stood up for ourselves - stopped voting and paying our taxes until these idiots understood - weve had enough - treat us like adults - treat us fairly or we will change the system for them. andysaint
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9:33pm Sat 16 Feb 13

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
st1halo wrote:
southy wrote:
st1halo wrote:
southy wrote:
southy wrote:
st1halo wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen.
http://www.youtube.c










om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3










3c

Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.
What is the difference between this man undercutting the normal MPs salary and the enterprising Pole/Lithuanian etc etc etc working for less than the UK worker who's job he has taken?
Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways.
The law must be change in this area, all companys should be force to pay the English going Rates, and not be used to undercut. But with MP's they are being over paid, and its not the best we getting like Thatcher said, we getting rotten apples at a very high price, and they are not very good at it also, apart from looking after them selfs and people seeing that they are all right, they are not there to serve the people, they are there to serve them selfs with there own greed.
Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways


It doesn't work both ways though does it Southy?
If so, please furnish me with the name of the Polish/Lituanian city where 20000 English have settled.

its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business

You have a very naive view about the NHS. It has to be run on a sound business footing otherwise it will suck the economy dry.
Yes it do work both ways all ways have done, The English are in every single country in the world taking jobs away from the locals. nothing as change there in since this country became a sea faring trading country, our biggest export is people.
And if you think for one moment that stopping imergration will stop todays job problems it will not, it be just the same.
The NHS is not a business its a public Health service, it keeps people fit and healty so that they can work
Read the post. I did not say it was a business, I said it needs to be run on a sound business footing. You fail to understand that the NHS will use however much money you put into it and more, there will never be enough money to fund it unless you introduce business principles to control it.
You may be anti-capitalist but surely even you understand that businesses make money out of it and ALWAYS have!
You should under stand what your saying.
"needs to be run on a sound business footing" that is saying it should be run like a business, the only ones that can run some thing like the NHS is the doctors and nurses.
What a foolish thing to say and typical of people like you who are idealistic and not practical.
Doctors and nurses provide the end service. If we train and pay doctors do we then expect them to go into the marketplace and find the best deals for beds and bedding, medical equipment, logistics, organise car parking, ambulances, maintenance, staffing and rotors, purchasing, administration, health and safety, liaison with other services, legal proceedings... a thousand things that basically they know nothing about!
WAKE UP! It needs to be run efficiently, not for profit, but on sound business principles because it is a business. The business of providing health care.
Then tell me why it work 10 times better before it was mess about with in the 80's by the torys.
Before it was mess with in the 80's the NHS was run by its staff the Doctors and Nurses, they employed people to do the admin stuff, leaving the doctors and nurse to run the service, they knew what equipment they needed, and what number of staff was needed, The problem with any managerment they do not know never have done never will, they rely on front line staff to tell them, its a case in any business the front line staff know more about there work place than any boss do.
The logical conclusion is that the boss is the clever one getting paid more for knowing less and doing nothing for their money. Now ask yourself who is getting the best deal, you numpty.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3 3c Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.[/p][/quote]What is the difference between this man undercutting the normal MPs salary and the enterprising Pole/Lithuanian etc etc etc working for less than the UK worker who's job he has taken?[/p][/quote]Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways. The law must be change in this area, all companys should be force to pay the English going Rates, and not be used to undercut. But with MP's they are being over paid, and its not the best we getting like Thatcher said, we getting rotten apples at a very high price, and they are not very good at it also, apart from looking after them selfs and people seeing that they are all right, they are not there to serve the people, they are there to serve them selfs with there own greed.[/p][/quote]Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways It doesn't work both ways though does it Southy? If so, please furnish me with the name of the Polish/Lituanian city where 20000 English have settled. its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business You have a very naive view about the NHS. It has to be run on a sound business footing otherwise it will suck the economy dry.[/p][/quote]Yes it do work both ways all ways have done, The English are in every single country in the world taking jobs away from the locals. nothing as change there in since this country became a sea faring trading country, our biggest export is people. And if you think for one moment that stopping imergration will stop todays job problems it will not, it be just the same.[/p][/quote]The NHS is not a business its a public Health service, it keeps people fit and healty so that they can work[/p][/quote]Read the post. I did not say it was a business, I said it needs to be run on a sound business footing. You fail to understand that the NHS will use however much money you put into it and more, there will never be enough money to fund it unless you introduce business principles to control it. You may be anti-capitalist but surely even you understand that businesses make money out of it and ALWAYS have![/p][/quote]You should under stand what your saying. "needs to be run on a sound business footing" that is saying it should be run like a business, the only ones that can run some thing like the NHS is the doctors and nurses.[/p][/quote]What a foolish thing to say and typical of people like you who are idealistic and not practical. Doctors and nurses provide the end service. If we train and pay doctors do we then expect them to go into the marketplace and find the best deals for beds and bedding, medical equipment, logistics, organise car parking, ambulances, maintenance, staffing and rotors, purchasing, administration, health and safety, liaison with other services, legal proceedings... a thousand things that basically they know nothing about! WAKE UP! It needs to be run efficiently, not for profit, but on sound business principles because it is a business. The business of providing health care.[/p][/quote]Then tell me why it work 10 times better before it was mess about with in the 80's by the torys. Before it was mess with in the 80's the NHS was run by its staff the Doctors and Nurses, they employed people to do the admin stuff, leaving the doctors and nurse to run the service, they knew what equipment they needed, and what number of staff was needed, The problem with any managerment they do not know never have done never will, they rely on front line staff to tell them, its a case in any business the front line staff know more about there work place than any boss do.[/p][/quote]The logical conclusion is that the boss is the clever one getting paid more for knowing less and doing nothing for their money. Now ask yourself who is getting the best deal, you numpty. Torchie1
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9:50pm Sat 16 Feb 13

skin2000 says...

Does anyone know where the Backy, Beer and Crumpet Party stand on QuantItative easing?
Does anyone know where the Backy, Beer and Crumpet Party stand on QuantItative easing? skin2000
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9:53pm Sat 16 Feb 13

IronLady2010 says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
st1halo wrote:
southy wrote:
st1halo wrote:
southy wrote:
southy wrote:
st1halo wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen.
http://www.youtube.c











om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3











3c

Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.
What is the difference between this man undercutting the normal MPs salary and the enterprising Pole/Lithuanian etc etc etc working for less than the UK worker who's job he has taken?
Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways.
The law must be change in this area, all companys should be force to pay the English going Rates, and not be used to undercut. But with MP's they are being over paid, and its not the best we getting like Thatcher said, we getting rotten apples at a very high price, and they are not very good at it also, apart from looking after them selfs and people seeing that they are all right, they are not there to serve the people, they are there to serve them selfs with there own greed.
Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways


It doesn't work both ways though does it Southy?
If so, please furnish me with the name of the Polish/Lituanian city where 20000 English have settled.

its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business

You have a very naive view about the NHS. It has to be run on a sound business footing otherwise it will suck the economy dry.
Yes it do work both ways all ways have done, The English are in every single country in the world taking jobs away from the locals. nothing as change there in since this country became a sea faring trading country, our biggest export is people.
And if you think for one moment that stopping imergration will stop todays job problems it will not, it be just the same.
The NHS is not a business its a public Health service, it keeps people fit and healty so that they can work
Read the post. I did not say it was a business, I said it needs to be run on a sound business footing. You fail to understand that the NHS will use however much money you put into it and more, there will never be enough money to fund it unless you introduce business principles to control it.
You may be anti-capitalist but surely even you understand that businesses make money out of it and ALWAYS have!
You should under stand what your saying.
"needs to be run on a sound business footing" that is saying it should be run like a business, the only ones that can run some thing like the NHS is the doctors and nurses.
What a foolish thing to say and typical of people like you who are idealistic and not practical.
Doctors and nurses provide the end service. If we train and pay doctors do we then expect them to go into the marketplace and find the best deals for beds and bedding, medical equipment, logistics, organise car parking, ambulances, maintenance, staffing and rotors, purchasing, administration, health and safety, liaison with other services, legal proceedings... a thousand things that basically they know nothing about!
WAKE UP! It needs to be run efficiently, not for profit, but on sound business principles because it is a business. The business of providing health care.
Then tell me why it work 10 times better before it was mess about with in the 80's by the torys.
Before it was mess with in the 80's the NHS was run by its staff the Doctors and Nurses, they employed people to do the admin stuff, leaving the doctors and nurse to run the service, they knew what equipment they needed, and what number of staff was needed, The problem with any managerment they do not know never have done never will, they rely on front line staff to tell them, its a case in any business the front line staff know more about there work place than any boss do.
The logical conclusion is that the boss is the clever one getting paid more for knowing less and doing nothing for their money. Now ask yourself who is getting the best deal, you numpty.
Go find a brick wall and bang your head against it! Trust me it makes you feel better!
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3 3c Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.[/p][/quote]What is the difference between this man undercutting the normal MPs salary and the enterprising Pole/Lithuanian etc etc etc working for less than the UK worker who's job he has taken?[/p][/quote]Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways. The law must be change in this area, all companys should be force to pay the English going Rates, and not be used to undercut. But with MP's they are being over paid, and its not the best we getting like Thatcher said, we getting rotten apples at a very high price, and they are not very good at it also, apart from looking after them selfs and people seeing that they are all right, they are not there to serve the people, they are there to serve them selfs with there own greed.[/p][/quote]Who's jobs have been taking by the English in Poland/Lithuania, it works both ways It doesn't work both ways though does it Southy? If so, please furnish me with the name of the Polish/Lituanian city where 20000 English have settled. its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business You have a very naive view about the NHS. It has to be run on a sound business footing otherwise it will suck the economy dry.[/p][/quote]Yes it do work both ways all ways have done, The English are in every single country in the world taking jobs away from the locals. nothing as change there in since this country became a sea faring trading country, our biggest export is people. And if you think for one moment that stopping imergration will stop todays job problems it will not, it be just the same.[/p][/quote]The NHS is not a business its a public Health service, it keeps people fit and healty so that they can work[/p][/quote]Read the post. I did not say it was a business, I said it needs to be run on a sound business footing. You fail to understand that the NHS will use however much money you put into it and more, there will never be enough money to fund it unless you introduce business principles to control it. You may be anti-capitalist but surely even you understand that businesses make money out of it and ALWAYS have![/p][/quote]You should under stand what your saying. "needs to be run on a sound business footing" that is saying it should be run like a business, the only ones that can run some thing like the NHS is the doctors and nurses.[/p][/quote]What a foolish thing to say and typical of people like you who are idealistic and not practical. Doctors and nurses provide the end service. If we train and pay doctors do we then expect them to go into the marketplace and find the best deals for beds and bedding, medical equipment, logistics, organise car parking, ambulances, maintenance, staffing and rotors, purchasing, administration, health and safety, liaison with other services, legal proceedings... a thousand things that basically they know nothing about! WAKE UP! It needs to be run efficiently, not for profit, but on sound business principles because it is a business. The business of providing health care.[/p][/quote]Then tell me why it work 10 times better before it was mess about with in the 80's by the torys. Before it was mess with in the 80's the NHS was run by its staff the Doctors and Nurses, they employed people to do the admin stuff, leaving the doctors and nurse to run the service, they knew what equipment they needed, and what number of staff was needed, The problem with any managerment they do not know never have done never will, they rely on front line staff to tell them, its a case in any business the front line staff know more about there work place than any boss do.[/p][/quote]The logical conclusion is that the boss is the clever one getting paid more for knowing less and doing nothing for their money. Now ask yourself who is getting the best deal, you numpty.[/p][/quote]Go find a brick wall and bang your head against it! Trust me it makes you feel better! IronLady2010
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10:39pm Sat 16 Feb 13

Norwegian Saint says...

Labour... It was there fault the country was in such a state before the Tories turned up.... And now they have screwed up!

First, take control of the Lotto and give all proceeds to the NHS and Schools.

Second, bring back National Service and anyone that disagrees does not get benefits for five years.

Immigration, yes help the true ones but introduce a points system immediately for sorting out the truth from the lies. This points system to also be used for required work skills... BUT priority must go to British first whatever the skin colour.

Politicians get paid on performance... Effectively like the rest of us minions.
No freebies, 1 foot out of line and your history.

Increase the speed on motorways to 80mph (brake technology is so much better than the 60s when it was bought in)

Increase fines depending on earnings, ie cleaner pays £60... Solicitor pays £2000, everyone should feel the same effect

Right.... my rant over... now where did I put my £10 pint here in Norway???
Labour... It was there fault the country was in such a state before the Tories turned up.... And now they have screwed up! First, take control of the Lotto and give all proceeds to the NHS and Schools. Second, bring back National Service and anyone that disagrees does not get benefits for five years. Immigration, yes help the true ones but introduce a points system immediately for sorting out the truth from the lies. This points system to also be used for required work skills... BUT priority must go to British first whatever the skin colour. Politicians get paid on performance... Effectively like the rest of us minions. No freebies, 1 foot out of line and your history. Increase the speed on motorways to 80mph (brake technology is so much better than the 60s when it was bought in) Increase fines depending on earnings, ie cleaner pays £60... Solicitor pays £2000, everyone should feel the same effect Right.... my rant over... now where did I put my £10 pint here in Norway??? Norwegian Saint
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10:50pm Sat 16 Feb 13

IronLady2010 says...

Norwegian Saint wrote:
Labour... It was there fault the country was in such a state before the Tories turned up.... And now they have screwed up!

First, take control of the Lotto and give all proceeds to the NHS and Schools.

Second, bring back National Service and anyone that disagrees does not get benefits for five years.

Immigration, yes help the true ones but introduce a points system immediately for sorting out the truth from the lies. This points system to also be used for required work skills... BUT priority must go to British first whatever the skin colour.

Politicians get paid on performance... Effectively like the rest of us minions.
No freebies, 1 foot out of line and your history.

Increase the speed on motorways to 80mph (brake technology is so much better than the 60s when it was bought in)

Increase fines depending on earnings, ie cleaner pays £60... Solicitor pays £2000, everyone should feel the same effect

Right.... my rant over... now where did I put my £10 pint here in Norway???
If I were to pick one point of yours it would be, why do we pay for children who don't live in this country, but the parents do live here.

Why don't alarm bells ring???? Why would parents live in the UK and have children abroad for which they claim benefits from the UK.
[quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: Labour... It was there fault the country was in such a state before the Tories turned up.... And now they have screwed up! First, take control of the Lotto and give all proceeds to the NHS and Schools. Second, bring back National Service and anyone that disagrees does not get benefits for five years. Immigration, yes help the true ones but introduce a points system immediately for sorting out the truth from the lies. This points system to also be used for required work skills... BUT priority must go to British first whatever the skin colour. Politicians get paid on performance... Effectively like the rest of us minions. No freebies, 1 foot out of line and your history. Increase the speed on motorways to 80mph (brake technology is so much better than the 60s when it was bought in) Increase fines depending on earnings, ie cleaner pays £60... Solicitor pays £2000, everyone should feel the same effect Right.... my rant over... now where did I put my £10 pint here in Norway???[/p][/quote]If I were to pick one point of yours it would be, why do we pay for children who don't live in this country, but the parents do live here. Why don't alarm bells ring???? Why would parents live in the UK and have children abroad for which they claim benefits from the UK. IronLady2010
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1:24am Sun 17 Feb 13

kingnotail says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
kingnotail wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen.
http://www.youtube.c









om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3









3c

Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.
.. if you really think the electorate will decide on who to vote for on trivial grounds such as this, rather than on the real issues that face our country, then it is no wonder TUSC is doomed to lose its deposit and be an also-ran (together with the Monster Raving Looney Party) in this by-election.
Its not just wage, its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business, The TUSC will put people health care first with in the welfare system, Theres a lot more to the TUSC than your willing to amit.
MP wages are well over the top and could be cut in half, and still would not need to make any expenses claims, the TUSC are the only ones willing to tackle this problem of MP's Greed, they are ment to be there to serve the people not them selfs.
When Thatcher said if you want the best, then you must pay for them, she missed out the part it will only bring in the greedy ones who are there only for the money that can be made and not base on weather if they can do the job.
We offer the vote on the EU like one or 2 other minor partys do, Socialist have all ways said we do not need some thing like a union of countrys to be able to work with other countrys.
And we would look at this council tax system and if its chosen to be kept, then more bans will be added to the present ones we got. going to A to Z if need be.
Government would not be able to control councils money like they do now, also councils will be allowed to build there own homes, with out asking Government permission (they can get that from the local people).
The TUSC are more in tune with ordinary people than any other political party and thats because we are made up from ordinary people, run by ordinary people and are for ordinary people.
.. then there must be very few 'ordinary people' left in this country as the vote TUSC consistently gets is derisory.

Might it be that the vast majority do not take kindly to being classified as 'ordinary' by fantasists like you?
The vast majority still don't know about us yet, but are slowly getting to, we are a new party, an being ordinary covers the majority of us, the classes is still with us and getting wider by the moment and will carry on doing so, till there are some changes, we offer those changes so that gap will start to become narrower, and we get a fairer system,
.. the 'vast majority' DO know what you are and what you stand for. And that's why you always get so few votes. Do not underestimate the intelligence of the electorate with such condescending nonsense.

The electorate are aware of what happened when Militant Tendency, by its policy of entryism, gained control of Liverpool council. It was an absolute disaster for the inhabitants and your bunch of Trots have been totally rejected by the voters of Liverpool ever since.
Free you would not know, you just sit on that chair indoors, you don't go out on the streets and talk to people and ask questions, you do not go out and work stalls, so you will never know how many know of us, and the sad fact remains people still come up to the stalls and ask what are we all about, they do not know that the TUSC excised, even Union members do not or even heard of us before, and the reason for that is the TUSC is new 4 years old if you want to the N2EU campiagne.
and this rubbish what you said about Liverpool to many people do not know what really went on there apart from the connection to Labour, but many do know that Liverpool came out of better than any other councils because what happened, they gain more out of the government because the government was force to, No other council area could get any where near what Liverpool gain, They got loads of council homes built, where the rest of the country was not allowed to build any, they got biggest amount of job recreation in the country, while others got nothing but a down turn. It was not a disaster at all it was a great gain for Liverpool, only reason why they not there now is because the Government put a ban on them to stand in any elections.
Hatton when he in Liverpool the crowds flock around him in very high numbers all wanting to shake his hand to say thank you, and asking when are they coming back Liverpool needs them, he draws a biggist crowd in Liverpool than any other politician. in the country could, and all are well wishers.
Derek Hatton is nothing less than a total c**t.
I think you Kingtail are far worse ;-) Have a happy life and cheer up, you're obviously VERY unhappy!
At least spell my username right, you crypto-tory 2@
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: For the Echo and any one else wishes to listen. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=NErKFWQd3 3c Darren Procter speaks and clearly states he will do the MP job on a working mans wage.[/p][/quote].. if you really think the electorate will decide on who to vote for on trivial grounds such as this, rather than on the real issues that face our country, then it is no wonder TUSC is doomed to lose its deposit and be an also-ran (together with the Monster Raving Looney Party) in this by-election.[/p][/quote]Its not just wage, its like the NHS it will be treated as it should be a service for the people and never like a business, The TUSC will put people health care first with in the welfare system, Theres a lot more to the TUSC than your willing to amit. MP wages are well over the top and could be cut in half, and still would not need to make any expenses claims, the TUSC are the only ones willing to tackle this problem of MP's Greed, they are ment to be there to serve the people not them selfs. When Thatcher said if you want the best, then you must pay for them, she missed out the part it will only bring in the greedy ones who are there only for the money that can be made and not base on weather if they can do the job. We offer the vote on the EU like one or 2 other minor partys do, Socialist have all ways said we do not need some thing like a union of countrys to be able to work with other countrys. And we would look at this council tax system and if its chosen to be kept, then more bans will be added to the present ones we got. going to A to Z if need be. Government would not be able to control councils money like they do now, also councils will be allowed to build there own homes, with out asking Government permission (they can get that from the local people). The TUSC are more in tune with ordinary people than any other political party and thats because we are made up from ordinary people, run by ordinary people and are for ordinary people.[/p][/quote].. then there must be very few 'ordinary people' left in this country as the vote TUSC consistently gets is derisory. Might it be that the vast majority do not take kindly to being classified as 'ordinary' by fantasists like you?[/p][/quote]The vast majority still don't know about us yet, but are slowly getting to, we are a new party, an being ordinary covers the majority of us, the classes is still with us and getting wider by the moment and will carry on doing so, till there are some changes, we offer those changes so that gap will start to become narrower, and we get a fairer system,[/p][/quote].. the 'vast majority' DO know what you are and what you stand for. And that's why you always get so few votes. Do not underestimate the intelligence of the electorate with such condescending nonsense. The electorate are aware of what happened when Militant Tendency, by its policy of entryism, gained control of Liverpool council. It was an absolute disaster for the inhabitants and your bunch of Trots have been totally rejected by the voters of Liverpool ever since.[/p][/quote]Free you would not know, you just sit on that chair indoors, you don't go out on the streets and talk to people and ask questions, you do not go out and work stalls, so you will never know how many know of us, and the sad fact remains people still come up to the stalls and ask what are we all about, they do not know that the TUSC excised, even Union members do not or even heard of us before, and the reason for that is the TUSC is new 4 years old if you want to the N2EU campiagne. and this rubbish what you said about Liverpool to many people do not know what really went on there apart from the connection to Labour, but many do know that Liverpool came out of better than any other councils because what happened, they gain more out of the government because the government was force to, No other council area could get any where near what Liverpool gain, They got loads of council homes built, where the rest of the country was not allowed to build any, they got biggest amount of job recreation in the country, while others got nothing but a down turn. It was not a disaster at all it was a great gain for Liverpool, only reason why they not there now is because the Government put a ban on them to stand in any elections. Hatton when he in Liverpool the crowds flock around him in very high numbers all wanting to shake his hand to say thank you, and asking when are they coming back Liverpool needs them, he draws a biggist crowd in Liverpool than any other politician. in the country could, and all are well wishers.[/p][/quote]Derek Hatton is nothing less than a total c**t.[/p][/quote]I think you Kingtail are far worse ;-) Have a happy life and cheer up, you're obviously VERY unhappy![/p][/quote]At least spell my username right, you crypto-tory 2@ kingnotail
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11:15am Sun 17 Feb 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

MGRA wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
MGRA wrote:
southy wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
MGRA wrote:
southy wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
Forget the three 'main' parties. Forget the xenophobic nutters at UKIP.

*******************

We are not *single issue*, but the state of the NHS and the health of future generations is currently our MAIN issue.

To this end we aim to:

Re-focus hospital trusts on patient outcomes, not financial targets.

Reverse the current drive for privatisation of NHS services.

Halt the senseless £20bn NHS cuts. The NHS is about saving lives. If the funding is cut, fewer lives will be saved.

Present candidates with a genuine interest in serving their constituents, not just blindly following the party line. We believe in people politics, not career politics.

*******************

That looks a good thing to me. If you think so too, consider voting for the NHA (National Health Action party).

I don't work for them. I don't campaign for them. I'm not a member. I don't know any of their candidates or members personally. But if I lived within the Eastleigh boundaries, I'd certainly be voting for them.
The NHS will only be safe in the Socialist Hands and never in the hands of Capitalist they will only turn it into a business.
the NHS will never be safe. It has to go. We can not afford it. The obese will bring it to its knees.
You've swallowed lies. The US pay more in tax for their healthcare than we do, with worse outcomes. The same applies to most EU nations. The OECD rated the NHS as one of the most efficient healthcare systems on the planet.

Paying dividends to shareholders doesn't make something cheaper, it makes it more expensive.

The government and media are lying to you. They have a simple agenda, guided by the desire to make money. They don't give a hoot about you, or me. Stop suckling at propaganda's teat.
Thumbs up for that post Cant
no one is lying to me. I can do the sums myself, so could you if you had half a brain. Alarm bells should be ringing very loud if Southy applauds your post. 300% increase in treatment burden due to projected obesity consequences and not a chance in hell of being able to fund it. Adios NHS. Only total idiots think the NHS can survive, total idiots that think mone grows on trees.
I see. I assume you think we should just let people die if their wallets are empty then.

What a nasty person you must be.

As it goes, there's plenty of money to fund things like the NHS, but it's almost all concentrated in the hands of a handful of people. That *ought* to make you angry.
I did not say that you moron. learn to read. A social safety net is affordable, but only if health insurance is introduced as mantatory for earners with premiums adjusted accordingly. Those who are choosing to eat themselves to death need to be paying for their fair share of their future care. Smokers pay for theirs via tobacco tax, drinkers pay for theirs via alcohol duty, the hugely fat will have to too since they will become the biggest burden. you just need to buy a calculator, learn to read properly and maybe you will get better at debating.
You still cannot resist the personal insults when responding to posts can you? You are not helping to make a sensible point and you still have a habit a tarring everyone with the same brush.
Vote for Hope, that is all we have got left.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: Forget the three 'main' parties. Forget the xenophobic nutters at UKIP. ******************* We are not *single issue*, but the state of the NHS and the health of future generations is currently our MAIN issue. To this end we aim to: Re-focus hospital trusts on patient outcomes, not financial targets. Reverse the current drive for privatisation of NHS services. Halt the senseless £20bn NHS cuts. The NHS is about saving lives. If the funding is cut, fewer lives will be saved. Present candidates with a genuine interest in serving their constituents, not just blindly following the party line. We believe in people politics, not career politics. ******************* That looks a good thing to me. If you think so too, consider voting for the NHA (National Health Action party). I don't work for them. I don't campaign for them. I'm not a member. I don't know any of their candidates or members personally. But if I lived within the Eastleigh boundaries, I'd certainly be voting for them.[/p][/quote]The NHS will only be safe in the Socialist Hands and never in the hands of Capitalist they will only turn it into a business.[/p][/quote]the NHS will never be safe. It has to go. We can not afford it. The obese will bring it to its knees.[/p][/quote]You've swallowed lies. The US pay more in tax for their healthcare than we do, with worse outcomes. The same applies to most EU nations. The OECD rated the NHS as one of the most efficient healthcare systems on the planet. Paying dividends to shareholders doesn't make something cheaper, it makes it more expensive. The government and media are lying to you. They have a simple agenda, guided by the desire to make money. They don't give a hoot about you, or me. Stop suckling at propaganda's teat.[/p][/quote]Thumbs up for that post Cant[/p][/quote]no one is lying to me. I can do the sums myself, so could you if you had half a brain. Alarm bells should be ringing very loud if Southy applauds your post. 300% increase in treatment burden due to projected obesity consequences and not a chance in hell of being able to fund it. Adios NHS. Only total idiots think the NHS can survive, total idiots that think mone grows on trees.[/p][/quote]I see. I assume you think we should just let people die if their wallets are empty then. What a nasty person you must be. As it goes, there's plenty of money to fund things like the NHS, but it's almost all concentrated in the hands of a handful of people. That *ought* to make you angry.[/p][/quote]I did not say that you moron. learn to read. A social safety net is affordable, but only if health insurance is introduced as mantatory for earners with premiums adjusted accordingly. Those who are choosing to eat themselves to death need to be paying for their fair share of their future care. Smokers pay for theirs via tobacco tax, drinkers pay for theirs via alcohol duty, the hugely fat will have to too since they will become the biggest burden. you just need to buy a calculator, learn to read properly and maybe you will get better at debating.[/p][/quote]You still cannot resist the personal insults when responding to posts can you? You are not helping to make a sensible point and you still have a habit a tarring everyone with the same brush. Vote for Hope, that is all we have got left. OSPREYSAINT
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11:38am Sun 17 Feb 13

LancashireLad says...

The rise and rise of the UK Independence Party have the three PC parties running scared: The choice is simple Conservative liberals, Lib Dem liberals, Labour liberals; all pro gay marriage and continued membership of the cosy and very costly EU with open door immigration or vote for real change; vote for Diane James and UKIP, make political history in Eastleigh.
The rise and rise of the UK Independence Party have the three PC parties running scared: The choice is simple Conservative liberals, Lib Dem liberals, Labour liberals; all pro gay marriage and continued membership of the cosy and very costly EU with open door immigration or vote for real change; vote for Diane James and UKIP, make political history in Eastleigh. LancashireLad
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12:10pm Sun 17 Feb 13

sam1970 says...

A vote for Lib/Lab/Con is a vote for more of the ridiculous money wasting EU. More uncontrolled immigration. Further loss of our autonomy and democracy. I hugely support the UKIP stance on the wretched EU, so my vote will be going to UKIP.I hope that others do the same.
A vote for Lib/Lab/Con is a vote for more of the ridiculous money wasting EU. More uncontrolled immigration. Further loss of our autonomy and democracy. I hugely support the UKIP stance on the wretched EU, so my vote will be going to UKIP.I hope that others do the same. sam1970
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5:39pm Sun 17 Feb 13

cantthinkofone says...

LancashireLad wrote:
The rise and rise of the UK Independence Party have the three PC parties running scared: The choice is simple Conservative liberals, Lib Dem liberals, Labour liberals; all pro gay marriage and continued membership of the cosy and very costly EU with open door immigration or vote for real change; vote for Diane James and UKIP, make political history in Eastleigh.
I'd even vote for those double-crossing scumbags the Lib-Dems before I ever put a cross against your xenophobic nonsense of a party.
[quote][p][bold]LancashireLad[/bold] wrote: The rise and rise of the UK Independence Party have the three PC parties running scared: The choice is simple Conservative liberals, Lib Dem liberals, Labour liberals; all pro gay marriage and continued membership of the cosy and very costly EU with open door immigration or vote for real change; vote for Diane James and UKIP, make political history in Eastleigh.[/p][/quote]I'd even vote for those double-crossing scumbags the Lib-Dems before I ever put a cross against your xenophobic nonsense of a party. cantthinkofone
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6:24pm Sat 23 Feb 13

philgcdr says...

"UKIP (UKIP.org) SURGE IN EASTLEIGH

This morning’s Populus poll bears that out. They are in third place with 21 per cent, with the Tories second on 28 and the Lib Dems ahead with 33. But, as the indispensable UK Polling Report points out,if you don’t reallocate some of the undecides to the party they voted for last time, UKIP are doing even better. The numbers then are UKIP 25%, Tories 26% and Lib Dems 31%"

From: Specatordotcodotuk
"UKIP (UKIP.org) SURGE IN EASTLEIGH This morning’s Populus poll bears that out. They are in third place with 21 per cent, with the Tories second on 28 and the Lib Dems ahead with 33. But, as the indispensable UK Polling Report points out,if you don’t reallocate some of the undecides to the party they voted for last time, UKIP are doing even better. The numbers then are UKIP 25%, Tories 26% and Lib Dems 31%" From: Specatordotcodotuk philgcdr
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5:04pm Sun 24 Feb 13

LancashireLad says...

philgcdr wrote:
"UKIP (UKIP.org) SURGE IN EASTLEIGH

This morning’s Populus poll bears that out. They are in third place with 21 per cent, with the Tories second on 28 and the Lib Dems ahead with 33. But, as the indispensable UK Polling Report points out,if you don’t reallocate some of the undecides to the party they voted for last time, UKIP are doing even better. The numbers then are UKIP 25%, Tories 26% and Lib Dems 31%"

From: Specatordotcodotuk
Mail on Sunday Poll shows New Labour on just 13%... latest poll Cons 31%, Lib Dems 29% UKIP 21% and Labour just 13%... so why waste your vote on the champagne socialists or the Islington London trendies (New Labour) or the dishonest hypocritical liberals, if you want to make your vote count in Eastleigh vote for Diane James and the UK Independence Party... give the cosy liberals and their liberal Conservative chums a wake up call, vote UKIP and make history in Eastleigh.
[quote][p][bold]philgcdr[/bold] wrote: "UKIP (UKIP.org) SURGE IN EASTLEIGH This morning’s Populus poll bears that out. They are in third place with 21 per cent, with the Tories second on 28 and the Lib Dems ahead with 33. But, as the indispensable UK Polling Report points out,if you don’t reallocate some of the undecides to the party they voted for last time, UKIP are doing even better. The numbers then are UKIP 25%, Tories 26% and Lib Dems 31%" From: Specatordotcodotuk[/p][/quote]Mail on Sunday Poll shows New Labour on just 13%... latest poll Cons 31%, Lib Dems 29% UKIP 21% and Labour just 13%... so why waste your vote on the champagne socialists or the Islington London trendies (New Labour) or the dishonest hypocritical liberals, if you want to make your vote count in Eastleigh vote for Diane James and the UK Independence Party... give the cosy liberals and their liberal Conservative chums a wake up call, vote UKIP and make history in Eastleigh. LancashireLad
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7:40pm Sun 24 Feb 13

Pikey-Biker says...

LancashireLad wrote:
philgcdr wrote: "UKIP (UKIP.org) SURGE IN EASTLEIGH This morning’s Populus poll bears that out. They are in third place with 21 per cent, with the Tories second on 28 and the Lib Dems ahead with 33. But, as the indispensable UK Polling Report points out,if you don’t reallocate some of the undecides to the party they voted for last time, UKIP are doing even better. The numbers then are UKIP 25%, Tories 26% and Lib Dems 31%" From: Specatordotcodotuk
Mail on Sunday Poll shows New Labour on just 13%... latest poll Cons 31%, Lib Dems 29% UKIP 21% and Labour just 13%... so why waste your vote on the champagne socialists or the Islington London trendies (New Labour) or the dishonest hypocritical liberals, if you want to make your vote count in Eastleigh vote for Diane James and the UK Independence Party... give the cosy liberals and their liberal Conservative chums a wake up call, vote UKIP and make history in Eastleigh.
they won't win so it will be a waste of a vote
[quote][p][bold]LancashireLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]philgcdr[/bold] wrote: "UKIP (UKIP.org) SURGE IN EASTLEIGH This morning’s Populus poll bears that out. They are in third place with 21 per cent, with the Tories second on 28 and the Lib Dems ahead with 33. But, as the indispensable UK Polling Report points out,if you don’t reallocate some of the undecides to the party they voted for last time, UKIP are doing even better. The numbers then are UKIP 25%, Tories 26% and Lib Dems 31%" From: Specatordotcodotuk[/p][/quote]Mail on Sunday Poll shows New Labour on just 13%... latest poll Cons 31%, Lib Dems 29% UKIP 21% and Labour just 13%... so why waste your vote on the champagne socialists or the Islington London trendies (New Labour) or the dishonest hypocritical liberals, if you want to make your vote count in Eastleigh vote for Diane James and the UK Independence Party... give the cosy liberals and their liberal Conservative chums a wake up call, vote UKIP and make history in Eastleigh.[/p][/quote]they won't win so it will be a waste of a vote Pikey-Biker
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