Calls to rethink cuts to adult social care (From Daily Echo)

Cllr White, you can't just 'ignore' this!

I remember quite clearly this council and the government saying that the vulnerable would be protected. It's particularly insulting when you are not even raising CT by a small amount to keep vital services running in an efficient and safe way.... it seems this council are more worried about upsetting the apple cart before the May elections by raising CT than they are about finding some wherewithal and going against DC like Surrey and other councils have done...

If Labour/Unions had not wrecked this country there would be more money available for all. Unions are a disgrace and Labour ruined our economy.
In the real world we live within our means, Labour spent £4 for every £3 the country earned that is why we are in this mess.

aldermoorboy wrote:
If Labour/Unions had not wrecked this country there would be more money available for all. Unions are a disgrace and Labour ruined our economy.
In the real world we live within our means, Labour spent £4 for every £3 the country earned that is why we are in this mess.

yeah yeah yeah, bla bla bla bla - tell me where have you got these 'facts' from exactly? Fred the Shred?? or the Chief Exec of Barclays? why is it now that companies are making redundancies all over the place and going bust??? is that down to Labour? I think not....

It's amazing how JD remained silent whilst his mate Brown took a wrecking ball to the UK economy. Only now, with just over 3 years left as an MP, does he pipe up. FM2, if Labour didn't gamble all our money perhaps we would have more to spend now.

Fred was made a lord by Labour, the Con/Lib took it away.
Labour were spending more than we earned that why we have this situation.

aldermoorboy wrote:
Fred was made a lord by Labour, the Con/Lib took it away.
Labour were spending more than we earned that why we have this situation.

Taken away because of Labour pressure.

The ConDems were a damned sight quicker in making a reduction in the Winter Fuel Allowance for the elderly than what they were to tackle the banks' bonus payments.

Winter Fuel Allowance reduced by £100 for those over 80 and by £50 for the rest. This at a time when pension rises are to equated to the CRI not the RPI, which means that they will have the spending power reduced over the years, and no account taken of the massive rise in both gas and electricity.

With regard Labour spending more than we earned.

How do you account for the fact that the coalition government is now Borrowing more, and increasing the national debt?

Why is it borrowing the money?

Could it be to pay unemployment money to those that it has put out of work?

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
If Labour/Unions had not wrecked this country there would be more money available for all. Unions are a disgrace and Labour ruined our economy.
In the real world we live within our means, Labour spent £4 for every £3 the country earned that is why we are in this mess.

yeah yeah yeah, bla bla bla bla - tell me where have you got these 'facts' from exactly? Fred the Shred?? or the Chief Exec of Barclays? why is it now that companies are making redundancies all over the place and going bust??? is that down to Labour? I think not....

This is just another problem that stems back to the 80's, The seeds was planted then and the fruits come later, like now.
What was done in the 80's will have reprecussions up a 100 years after such was the nature of the policys, and the only way to stop it is for a party to look back at the 80's and do as much repair work as they can.

southy wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
If Labour/Unions had not wrecked this country there would be more money available for all. Unions are a disgrace and Labour ruined our economy.
In the real world we live within our means, Labour spent £4 for every £3 the country earned that is why we are in this mess.

yeah yeah yeah, bla bla bla bla - tell me where have you got these 'facts' from exactly? Fred the Shred?? or the Chief Exec of Barclays? why is it now that companies are making redundancies all over the place and going bust??? is that down to Labour? I think not....

This is just another problem that stems back to the 80's, The seeds was planted then and the fruits come later, like now.
What was done in the 80's will have reprecussions up a 100 years after such was the nature of the policys, and the only way to stop it is for a party to look back at the 80's and do as much repair work as they can.

The 80s saw Labour realise that their continual drift to the left had made them unelectable. Seeing the light they reformed in to a more modern outlook and I believe they became acceptable to the majority of the electorate as they eventually returned to power. This forward free thinking isn't going on inside the Tusc party but they aren't bright enough to see it, but neither did they when they called themselves the Communist Party of Great Britain, The Democratic Left, New Politics Network, Militant Tendency etc etc etc. Perhaps the repairs should start from within the crumbling foundations before attempting to change the real world?

I would point out that Labour came to power on 2 May 1997, so whatever went on in the 80s cannot be laid at their doorstep.

You may recall that the 80s saw Tory governments sell off the nation's assets. ie British Aerospace, Cable&Wireless, North Sea Oil, BT, British Gas, British Airways, British Steel and the Water Utilities.

BLACK WEDNESDAY - 16 SEPTEMBER 1992.

A Financial disaster of the Tories' own making

British Coal sold off in 1995 and British Rail sold in 1996.

Where did all the money go?

What has the country got to show for all the £Billions raised in that massive sell-off?

SWEET FANNY ADAMS!

If that money had been invested in new schools and new hospitals, John Major need not have come up with the idea of PFI to get that job done, and the Labour Government would not have been left with that as the only way of raising the funds to do it.

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
If Labour/Unions had not wrecked this country there would be more money available for all. Unions are a disgrace and Labour ruined our economy.
In the real world we live within our means, Labour spent £4 for every £3 the country earned that is why we are in this mess.

yeah yeah yeah, bla bla bla bla - tell me where have you got these 'facts' from exactly? Fred the Shred?? or the Chief Exec of Barclays? why is it now that companies are making redundancies all over the place and going bust??? is that down to Labour? I think not....

This is just another problem that stems back to the 80's, The seeds was planted then and the fruits come later, like now.
What was done in the 80's will have reprecussions up a 100 years after such was the nature of the policys, and the only way to stop it is for a party to look back at the 80's and do as much repair work as they can.

The 80s saw Labour realise that their continual drift to the left had made them unelectable. Seeing the light they reformed in to a more modern outlook and I believe they became acceptable to the majority of the electorate as they eventually returned to power. This forward free thinking isn't going on inside the Tusc party but they aren't bright enough to see it, but neither did they when they called themselves the Communist Party of Great Britain, The Democratic Left, New Politics Network, Militant Tendency etc etc etc. Perhaps the repairs should start from within the crumbling foundations before attempting to change the real world?

They was not unelectable other wise right wing Neil Kinnock Labour party would off got into power.
What put Thatcher into power was that she got the Women Vote, and the second time Thatcher won the Election was because she called and early election while the country was still in a state of uforia.
And its not unusual for a party to stay for more than one term in office, the norm is 10 years in office (two 5 year terms for one leader of a party).
And what is happening now around the country people are relearning what Right Wing Politics is all about again.

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
If Labour/Unions had not wrecked this country there would be more money available for all. Unions are a disgrace and Labour ruined our economy.
In the real world we live within our means, Labour spent £4 for every £3 the country earned that is why we are in this mess.

yeah yeah yeah, bla bla bla bla - tell me where have you got these 'facts' from exactly? Fred the Shred?? or the Chief Exec of Barclays? why is it now that companies are making redundancies all over the place and going bust??? is that down to Labour? I think not....

This is just another problem that stems back to the 80's, The seeds was planted then and the fruits come later, like now.
What was done in the 80's will have reprecussions up a 100 years after such was the nature of the policys, and the only way to stop it is for a party to look back at the 80's and do as much repair work as they can.

The 80s saw Labour realise that their continual drift to the left had made them unelectable. Seeing the light they reformed in to a more modern outlook and I believe they became acceptable to the majority of the electorate as they eventually returned to power. This forward free thinking isn't going on inside the Tusc party but they aren't bright enough to see it, but neither did they when they called themselves the Communist Party of Great Britain, The Democratic Left, New Politics Network, Militant Tendency etc etc etc. Perhaps the repairs should start from within the crumbling foundations before attempting to change the real world?

They was not unelectable other wise right wing Neil Kinnock Labour party would off got into power.
What put Thatcher into power was that she got the Women Vote, and the second time Thatcher won the Election was because she called and early election while the country was still in a state of uforia.
And its not unusual for a party to stay for more than one term in office, the norm is 10 years in office (two 5 year terms for one leader of a party).
And what is happening now around the country people are relearning what Right Wing Politics is all about again.

They are learning that right wing politics is the only thing saving the UK from being like Greece which has suffered from several decades of the socialist fairy tale.

Looks like Denham has made some good points.

No cuts should be made to adult social care unless they can be found from efficiency savings. Quality of care and access to care should not be impacted

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
If Labour/Unions had not wrecked this country there would be more money available for all. Unions are a disgrace and Labour ruined our economy.
In the real world we live within our means, Labour spent £4 for every £3 the country earned that is why we are in this mess.

yeah yeah yeah, bla bla bla bla - tell me where have you got these 'facts' from exactly? Fred the Shred?? or the Chief Exec of Barclays? why is it now that companies are making redundancies all over the place and going bust??? is that down to Labour? I think not....

This is just another problem that stems back to the 80's, The seeds was planted then and the fruits come later, like now.
What was done in the 80's will have reprecussions up a 100 years after such was the nature of the policys, and the only way to stop it is for a party to look back at the 80's and do as much repair work as they can.

The 80s saw Labour realise that their continual drift to the left had made them unelectable. Seeing the light they reformed in to a more modern outlook and I believe they became acceptable to the majority of the electorate as they eventually returned to power. This forward free thinking isn't going on inside the Tusc party but they aren't bright enough to see it, but neither did they when they called themselves the Communist Party of Great Britain, The Democratic Left, New Politics Network, Militant Tendency etc etc etc. Perhaps the repairs should start from within the crumbling foundations before attempting to change the real world?

They was not unelectable other wise right wing Neil Kinnock Labour party would off got into power.
What put Thatcher into power was that she got the Women Vote, and the second time Thatcher won the Election was because she called and early election while the country was still in a state of uforia.
And its not unusual for a party to stay for more than one term in office, the norm is 10 years in office (two 5 year terms for one leader of a party).
And what is happening now around the country people are relearning what Right Wing Politics is all about again.

They are learning that right wing politics is the only thing saving the UK from being like Greece which has suffered from several decades of the socialist fairy tale.

Greece if you knew any thing about what is going on there, they have not had a Social policy they had Right Wing Policy, the same thing what happened there happened here with the Labour party they went right wing in the 80's about the same time.
People in Greece are calling for the CWI Socialist party to take the raines, who like here in the UK don't tend to stand at elections but only back other partys up with there support, but like here in the uk, in Greece the Socialist party with drawed there support for the same reason Right Wing Politics, the world is a Capitalist one, they controll 99% of the world countrys and have done now for 20 years plus.

Sotonians_lets_pull_
together wrote:
Looks like Denham has made some good points.

No cuts should be made to adult social care unless they can be found from efficiency savings. Quality of care and access to care should not be impacted

He beening told what to say, by head office, because the Labour Party is worried about the TUSC here.
The Labour party have been brinning up the TUSC a lot lately.

Torchie1 before you post again about left wing please check out the CWI list of affiliated Socialist Political Partys around the world.

southy wrote:

Sotonians_lets_pull_

together wrote:
Looks like Denham has made some good points.

No cuts should be made to adult social care unless they can be found from efficiency savings. Quality of care and access to care should not be impacted

He beening told what to say, by head office, because the Labour Party is worried about the TUSC here.
The Labour party have been brinning up the TUSC a lot lately.

.. worried? About TUSC? I think not.
.
Still offering that bet southy - a fiver says TUSC won't come even second in any Southampton ward.

Money/mouth - are we on?

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
Cllr White, you can't just 'ignore' this!

I remember quite clearly this council and the government saying that the vulnerable would be protected. It's particularly insulting when you are not even raising CT by a small amount to keep vital services running in an efficient and safe way.... it seems this council are more worried about upsetting the apple cart before the May elections by raising CT than they are about finding some wherewithal and going against DC like Surrey and other councils have done...

But he can FMG2 and I'm quite sure he will.

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Sotonians_lets_pull_


together wrote:
Looks like Denham has made some good points.

No cuts should be made to adult social care unless they can be found from efficiency savings. Quality of care and access to care should not be impacted

He beening told what to say, by head office, because the Labour Party is worried about the TUSC here.
The Labour party have been brinning up the TUSC a lot lately.

.. worried? About TUSC? I think not.
.
Still offering that bet southy - a fiver says TUSC won't come even second in any Southampton ward.

Money/mouth - are we on?

If they was not worried about the TUSC they would not bring it up at the Labour main office.
even your self is changing your turn a bit, did you not say that TUSC would not improve on last year elections 1% comes to mind. and now you change that to coming second any where in Southampton.
This how worried Local Labour is they have named there Redbridge Ward Candidate for this year Election early, normally they will not declaire till end of March.

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Sotonians_lets_pull_



together wrote:
Looks like Denham has made some good points.

No cuts should be made to adult social care unless they can be found from efficiency savings. Quality of care and access to care should not be impacted

He beening told what to say, by head office, because the Labour Party is worried about the TUSC here.
The Labour party have been brinning up the TUSC a lot lately.

.. worried? About TUSC? I think not.
.
Still offering that bet southy - a fiver says TUSC won't come even second in any Southampton ward.

Money/mouth - are we on?

If they was not worried about the TUSC they would not bring it up at the Labour main office.
even your self is changing your turn a bit, did you not say that TUSC would not improve on last year elections 1% comes to mind. and now you change that to coming second any where in Southampton.
This how worried Local Labour is they have named there Redbridge Ward Candidate for this year Election early, normally they will not declaire till end of March.

another thing for you. Even your favourit Green party are standing down in Redbridge in favour off me, to give a better run at the Labour Party.

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

Sotonians_lets_pull_



together wrote:
Looks like Denham has made some good points.

No cuts should be made to adult social care unless they can be found from efficiency savings. Quality of care and access to care should not be impacted

He beening told what to say, by head office, because the Labour Party is worried about the TUSC here.
The Labour party have been brinning up the TUSC a lot lately.

.. worried? About TUSC? I think not.
.
Still offering that bet southy - a fiver says TUSC won't come even second in any Southampton ward.

Money/mouth - are we on?

If they was not worried about the TUSC they would not bring it up at the Labour main office.
even your self is changing your turn a bit, did you not say that TUSC would not improve on last year elections 1% comes to mind. and now you change that to coming second any where in Southampton.
This how worried Local Labour is they have named there Redbridge Ward Candidate for this year Election early, normally they will not declaire till end of March.

another thing for you. Even your favourit Green party are standing down in Redbridge in favour off me, to give a better run at the Labour Party.

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
If Labour/Unions had not wrecked this country there would be more money available for all. Unions are a disgrace and Labour ruined our economy.
In the real world we live within our means, Labour spent £4 for every £3 the country earned that is why we are in this mess.

yeah yeah yeah, bla bla bla bla - tell me where have you got these 'facts' from exactly? Fred the Shred?? or the Chief Exec of Barclays? why is it now that companies are making redundancies all over the place and going bust??? is that down to Labour? I think not....

Aldermoor Boy is quite correct. When the coalition came into being, for every £4 of Public Spending we only had £3 therefore we had to borrow to cover the difference! Good job we retained the Triple A rating or those borrowings would have sent us on a similar path to Greece!!!
>
This country was already in economic decline before the financial crisis. Unemployment had been rising for sometime (16-24 unemployment rose 50%!) before the financial crisis. Construction/Buildin
g houses had slowed to a snails pace Before the financial crisis. Labour had spent money we didn't have, Before the financial crisis! Oh, and they forgot to invest for the future!
However you look at it, history will show that Labour screwed the future for young and old alike...........

I have learnt in life never under estimate your opponent, TUSC may surprise a few, they certainly believe in their cause( I must add I don't) and they are enthusiastic.
It will make the May election more interesting.

aldermoorboy wrote:
I have learnt in life never under estimate your opponent, TUSC may surprise a few, they certainly believe in their cause( I must add I don't) and they are enthusiastic.
It will make the May election more interesting.

I think in two years time will be more interesting after when labour wins back the council this may, and they to start to show there true colours of cuts and job loses just like the torys have.

George4th wrote:

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
If Labour/Unions had not wrecked this country there would be more money available for all. Unions are a disgrace and Labour ruined our economy.
In the real world we live within our means, Labour spent £4 for every £3 the country earned that is why we are in this mess.

yeah yeah yeah, bla bla bla bla - tell me where have you got these 'facts' from exactly? Fred the Shred?? or the Chief Exec of Barclays? why is it now that companies are making redundancies all over the place and going bust??? is that down to Labour? I think not....

Aldermoor Boy is quite correct. When the coalition came into being, for every £4 of Public Spending we only had £3 therefore we had to borrow to cover the difference! Good job we retained the Triple A rating or those borrowings would have sent us on a similar path to Greece!!!
>
This country was already in economic decline before the financial crisis. Unemployment had been rising for sometime (16-24 unemployment rose 50%!) before the financial crisis. Construction/Buildin

g houses had slowed to a snails pace Before the financial crisis. Labour had spent money we didn't have, Before the financial crisis! Oh, and they forgot to invest for the future!
However you look at it, history will show that Labour screwed the future for young and old alike...........

the future was screwed in the 80's, at the start of the economic decline, and unemployment as been rising since Thatcher took on the 1 million unemployed and turn it to 6 million unemployed and as only risen since then.

southy wrote:
Torchie1 before you post again about left wing please check out the CWI list of affiliated Socialist Political Partys around the world.

I've no doubt that when your new best friend turns out to be a disappointment, the CWI will be rebranded as a raving fascist group in the way that Stalin used to make non-people out of those he took a dislike to. It must be so frustrating that all of these right wingers are bringing the left in to disrepute by calling themselves names like the Pan Hellenic Socialist Movement, Communist Party of Kampuchea AKA Khmer Rouge, Socialist Unity Party of Germany whose Marxist-Leninist ideology needed the Stasi secret police force etc etc etc. Extremists grab power by force as they have done under their ideology all over the world and then used more force to hang on to power. I know you want to throw out all of the foreigners but why do you think so many people want to come to the UK if the system is so bad? I expect Castro and Chavez play down the flood of asylum seekers looking for sanctuary in their little parts of paradise.

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:
Torchie1 before you post again about left wing please check out the CWI list of affiliated Socialist Political Partys around the world.

I've no doubt that when your new best friend turns out to be a disappointment, the CWI will be rebranded as a raving fascist group in the way that Stalin used to make non-people out of those he took a dislike to. It must be so frustrating that all of these right wingers are bringing the left in to disrepute by calling themselves names like the Pan Hellenic Socialist Movement, Communist Party of Kampuchea AKA Khmer Rouge, Socialist Unity Party of Germany whose Marxist-Leninist ideology needed the Stasi secret police force etc etc etc. Extremists grab power by force as they have done under their ideology all over the world and then used more force to hang on to power. I know you want to throw out all of the foreigners but why do you think so many people want to come to the UK if the system is so bad? I expect Castro and Chavez play down the flood of asylum seekers looking for sanctuary in their little parts of paradise.

Don't talk crap, really you do not have a clue Torchie you sit on the out side, do you know who the CWI is even.
You come on here repeating capitalism BS false propaganda, Do you know of any thing about Stalin History before 1923 if you did then you would know where he was on feb 19th 1917, and you would also know he was one off them that ordered the arrest of Lenin on entery to Russia on Oct 15th 1917.
Communist Party of Kampuchea is not the Khmer Rouge they are two totally different groups, The Khmer Rouge was back by the USA in guns and money when there first chioce failed to take power, the Socialist was in control of Cambodia after winning the general election and what did the USA do they went and bomb the legal Elected government killing the government members so your your Capitallist friends Khmer Rouge could take over by force, And who was it that got the Khmer Rouge removed in the end the Vietnam Amry did after they kick the Americans out off Vietnam
Socialist Unity Party of Germany are not the Socialist party back in those day the Socialist in eastern block was driven under ground to operate, The Socialist Unity Party was Stalinist not socialist, Stalism is Communism under Capitalist control and is just right wing as the Torys are now.
And look what happened in Venezuela Chavez wins the general Election and the USA did not like that so they stage a military coup, had Chevez arrested taken to an Island to be transported to USA, but the people of Venezuela revolted back and retook control of there country and then ordered the release of Chevez and put him back in power.
This the true nature off Capitalism if they dont like the people in control of a country they get them removed, Capitalism is a Dictatorship.

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:
Torchie1 before you post again about left wing please check out the CWI list of affiliated Socialist Political Partys around the world.

I've no doubt that when your new best friend turns out to be a disappointment, the CWI will be rebranded as a raving fascist group in the way that Stalin used to make non-people out of those he took a dislike to. It must be so frustrating that all of these right wingers are bringing the left in to disrepute by calling themselves names like the Pan Hellenic Socialist Movement, Communist Party of Kampuchea AKA Khmer Rouge, Socialist Unity Party of Germany whose Marxist-Leninist ideology needed the Stasi secret police force etc etc etc. Extremists grab power by force as they have done under their ideology all over the world and then used more force to hang on to power. I know you want to throw out all of the foreigners but why do you think so many people want to come to the UK if the system is so bad? I expect Castro and Chavez play down the flood of asylum seekers looking for sanctuary in their little parts of paradise.

Don't talk crap, really you do not have a clue Torchie you sit on the out side, do you know who the CWI is even.
You come on here repeating capitalism BS false propaganda, Do you know of any thing about Stalin History before 1923 if you did then you would know where he was on feb 19th 1917, and you would also know he was one off them that ordered the arrest of Lenin on entery to Russia on Oct 15th 1917.
Communist Party of Kampuchea is not the Khmer Rouge they are two totally different groups, The Khmer Rouge was back by the USA in guns and money when there first chioce failed to take power, the Socialist was in control of Cambodia after winning the general election and what did the USA do they went and bomb the legal Elected government killing the government members so your your Capitallist friends Khmer Rouge could take over by force, And who was it that got the Khmer Rouge removed in the end the Vietnam Amry did after they kick the Americans out off Vietnam
Socialist Unity Party of Germany are not the Socialist party back in those day the Socialist in eastern block was driven under ground to operate, The Socialist Unity Party was Stalinist not socialist, Stalism is Communism under Capitalist control and is just right wing as the Torys are now.
And look what happened in Venezuela Chavez wins the general Election and the USA did not like that so they stage a military coup, had Chevez arrested taken to an Island to be transported to USA, but the people of Venezuela revolted back and retook control of there country and then ordered the release of Chevez and put him back in power.
This the true nature off Capitalism if they dont like the people in control of a country they get them removed, Capitalism is a Dictatorship.

I think you ought to start off by learning what the phrase 'in denial' means. Don't stop posting though, you provide amusement to a very wide audience.

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:
Torchie1 before you post again about left wing please check out the CWI list of affiliated Socialist Political Partys around the world.

I've no doubt that when your new best friend turns out to be a disappointment, the CWI will be rebranded as a raving fascist group in the way that Stalin used to make non-people out of those he took a dislike to. It must be so frustrating that all of these right wingers are bringing the left in to disrepute by calling themselves names like the Pan Hellenic Socialist Movement, Communist Party of Kampuchea AKA Khmer Rouge, Socialist Unity Party of Germany whose Marxist-Leninist ideology needed the Stasi secret police force etc etc etc. Extremists grab power by force as they have done under their ideology all over the world and then used more force to hang on to power. I know you want to throw out all of the foreigners but why do you think so many people want to come to the UK if the system is so bad? I expect Castro and Chavez play down the flood of asylum seekers looking for sanctuary in their little parts of paradise.

Don't talk crap, really you do not have a clue Torchie you sit on the out side, do you know who the CWI is even.
You come on here repeating capitalism BS false propaganda, Do you know of any thing about Stalin History before 1923 if you did then you would know where he was on feb 19th 1917, and you would also know he was one off them that ordered the arrest of Lenin on entery to Russia on Oct 15th 1917.
Communist Party of Kampuchea is not the Khmer Rouge they are two totally different groups, The Khmer Rouge was back by the USA in guns and money when there first chioce failed to take power, the Socialist was in control of Cambodia after winning the general election and what did the USA do they went and bomb the legal Elected government killing the government members so your your Capitallist friends Khmer Rouge could take over by force, And who was it that got the Khmer Rouge removed in the end the Vietnam Amry did after they kick the Americans out off Vietnam
Socialist Unity Party of Germany are not the Socialist party back in those day the Socialist in eastern block was driven under ground to operate, The Socialist Unity Party was Stalinist not socialist, Stalism is Communism under Capitalist control and is just right wing as the Torys are now.
And look what happened in Venezuela Chavez wins the general Election and the USA did not like that so they stage a military coup, had Chevez arrested taken to an Island to be transported to USA, but the people of Venezuela revolted back and retook control of there country and then ordered the release of Chevez and put him back in power.
This the true nature off Capitalism if they dont like the people in control of a country they get them removed, Capitalism is a Dictatorship.

I think you ought to start off by learning what the phrase 'in denial' means. Don't stop posting though, you provide amusement to a very wide audience.

The only ones that are in denial are your type who do not want to learn history, but want to bend it to your way of liking. it is fact that Stalin was a Capitalist Provincialist, he took part in the Provinicalist Revolution in 1917 Feb 17th. he was in Government before lenin even got to Germany on his way to Russia, It is a fact that Stalin name was one of the names that ordered Lenin arrest on entery into Russia, it is also a fact that when that failed Stalin and friends tried to order Lenin to come to Government and back up the Capitalist Provinicialist Government but Lenin even refused that, it is a fact on Lenin Death Stalin undone every thing Lenin had set up, It is a fact that Stalin on enterying power in 1923 ordered the arrest and murder of Communist party leaders, Socialist party leaders, Leading Union members.
Even Wiston Churchill knew what Stalin was, he even said Stalin was no Socialist its writen in Churchill diaries books, and Churchil him self was a Capitalist Imperialist but then he would be being a member of the Spencer Family, and he was calling Stalin the worse kind of Capitalist.

Trotsky was even warning Lenin about Stalin and what he was. and was more than likey Trotsky was signing his own death warrent by Stalin, Because Trotsky would not give it up even after Lenin Death Trotsky was warning people what this man was, a few of his letter even got published in New York papers.
So before you come on here posting at lest learn some of your worlds pass history.

If you want to learn about what really happened in Venezuela coup watch this.

http://www.youtube.c
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http://www.youtube.c
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aldermoorboy wrote:
If Labour/Unions had not wrecked this country there would be more money available for all. Unions are a disgrace and Labour ruined our economy.
In the real world we live within our means, Labour spent £4 for every £3 the country earned that is why we are in this mess.

You havent got a clue fella.

I suggest you go do some research, look at some history and then have a good look of where these tories are going to smash this country upon the rocks!

Unions wrecked this country by giving workers rights and standards - Dictatorships are out in the eastern part of the globe if you want to be with like minded people...