Would Southampton have been better off with a 'Boris'?

Daily Echo: Would Southampton have been better off with a 'Boris'? Would Southampton have been better off with a 'Boris'?

London already has one in Boris Johnson.

And on May 3, eleven other cities will vote to join the capital in having an elected mayor.

The Government has been busy selling the benefits of having a single powerful figure in charge of communities up and down the country.

Indeed, it has set up referendums in the UK’s largest cities, including Birmingham, Nottingham, Manchester, Leeds, Bradford and Bristol.

And Liverpool, a would-be cruise rival to Southampton, is holding an election for one after the ruling Labour party invoked the right to create the new role for the city.

The Government wants to grow the number of elected mayors that have been created since Labour brought in the innovation in 2002.

Thirteen are currently in office.

But Southampton will not be adding to the list because eighteen months ago councillors passed up the opportunity to hold a vote next month.

Eastleigh, Test Valley and New Forest councillors also snubbed the idea when asked to consider it by the Government.

Just two Southampton councillors – Labour’s Simon Letts and former Lib Dem mayor John Slade – voted in favour of putting a high-profile strongman in charge of running the city.

Cllr Letts argued a mayor with a direct mandate from voters would be more accountable and would help “drive the city forward” in an age of personality and presidential-style politics. He said it could also boost interest in local politics and civic affairs.

Mr Slade, who stood down last year, also backed the move.

He believes it was a missed opportunity.

“I was horrified that everyone just followed their leaders. I work a lot in Romania and China which have city mayors.

“He has four years to move the city forward and get things done above the day to day party politics you have now.

“A mayor can go ahead and do what’s good for the city. I’ve seen it work.

“A lot of councillors fear who you will get. You may get someone in with no involvement in politics but he will probably have a good business track record.”

Tory council leader Royston Smith admitted it would have stripped councillors of power and influence but said with a working majority and strong leadership, an elected mayor was not needed.

Liverpool is to become the biggest city outside London to be run by an elected mayor with bullish council leader Joe Anderson the front runner for the four-year post.

Mr Anderson has already stoked a bitter row with Southampton over the right for Liverpool to host lucrative turnaround cruises while using its publicly funded terminal.

Mr Anderson said the mayoral move clinched a £130m package of funding from Whitehall.

The council says the so-called “city deal” was not dependent on Liverpool having an elected mayor, but said the Government gave a clear signal that moving to a mayoral model would provide the accountability it needs before the funds and new powers are handed over.

The Government has also offered greater control over housing, skills and economic development to the eight “core cities” of England as long as they provide “strong and accountable leadership”.

Fewer powers Yet critics point out that the mayors being elected for the UK’s top cities are not the all-powerful characters who run city halls in America.

And they have fewer powers than the Mayor of London.

He has responsibility for the Metropolitan Police’s priorities and performance and the capital’s transport system, for example.

City mayors in the rest of the country also have to rely on support of councillors.

Under rules put in place by Labour to keep a check on their powers, they must get the support of at least a third of the council chamber to push through a budget.

Despite being elected twice since 2002, Hartlepool’s mayor Stuart Hammond, formerly football mascot H’Angus the Monkey, has already seen his budget proposals overturned.

The prospect of an elected mayor in Southampton looks remote unless the Government forces a vote.

Business leaders in Southampton have largely backed the idea and former London mayor Ken Livingstone, now campaigning to regain his old job, told an audience at a Daily Echo-backed business event that the city should “proceed” to electing one.

But a poor response to an eight-week public consultation paved the way for councillors to kill off the idea. Just 29 responded, with 15 in favour.

Members of the public however can still force a referendum if over 8,600 city electors sign up to a petition.

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1:19pm Sun 8 Apr 12

BillyTheKid says...

Now if we had a "Boris", namely a mayor as fiendishly intelligent and as hugely entertaining as Boris Johnson, someone who detests red tape and political correctness, someone with a common sense approach............
......oh, it's just a dream. There is no one even remotely capable of such a role, based on the "Boris" model. And why would a "Boris" type want to run "the Chav Capital of the UK"( I'm quoting the Echo from a year or two ago, that ran a headline something like : It's official ! Southampton is the UK's chav capital !).

Actually, there is one person who would make a perfect mayor for this city, but he is busy in Winchester : George Beckett.
Now if we had a "Boris", namely a mayor as fiendishly intelligent and as hugely entertaining as Boris Johnson, someone who detests red tape and political correctness, someone with a common sense approach............ ......oh, it's just a dream. There is no one even remotely capable of such a role, based on the "Boris" model. And why would a "Boris" type want to run "the Chav Capital of the UK"( I'm quoting the Echo from a year or two ago, that ran a headline something like : It's official ! Southampton is the UK's chav capital !). Actually, there is one person who would make a perfect mayor for this city, but he is busy in Winchester : George Beckett. BillyTheKid

1:43pm Sun 8 Apr 12

Solomon's Boot says...

Anyone's better than a Ken bloody Livingstone type.....Sucking up to minority groups to gain their votes!
Anyone's better than a Ken bloody Livingstone type.....Sucking up to minority groups to gain their votes! Solomon's Boot

2:15pm Sun 8 Apr 12

BillyTheKid says...

Solomon's Boot wrote:
Anyone's better than a Ken bloody Livingstone type.....Sucking up to minority groups to gain their votes!
Totally agree ! .......But.....if you don't mind me saying so....not just anyone. It would have to be someone hugely popular with Southampton people, with vision and a ton of common sense. Getting all three in "one bundle" might be difficult.
[quote][p][bold]Solomon's Boot[/bold] wrote: Anyone's better than a Ken bloody Livingstone type.....Sucking up to minority groups to gain their votes![/p][/quote]Totally agree ! .......But.....if you don't mind me saying so....not just anyone. It would have to be someone hugely popular with Southampton people, with vision and a ton of common sense. Getting all three in "one bundle" might be difficult. BillyTheKid

2:31pm Sun 8 Apr 12

Fieldbean says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
Now if we had a "Boris", namely a mayor as fiendishly intelligent and as hugely entertaining as Boris Johnson, someone who detests red tape and political correctness, someone with a common sense approach............

......oh, it's just a dream. There is no one even remotely capable of such a role, based on the "Boris" model. And why would a "Boris" type want to run "the Chav Capital of the UK"( I'm quoting the Echo from a year or two ago, that ran a headline something like : It's official ! Southampton is the UK's chav capital !).

Actually, there is one person who would make a perfect mayor for this city, but he is busy in Winchester : George Beckett.
Oh Cllr Beckett, he is the the guy presiding over the City of Winchester, the City that has the highest carbon footprint per head of population. So what has he done to get people to stop flying, using their extra large Range Rovers and turn down their central heating? The more affluent and more Tory people get the more they pollute....simple.
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: Now if we had a "Boris", namely a mayor as fiendishly intelligent and as hugely entertaining as Boris Johnson, someone who detests red tape and political correctness, someone with a common sense approach............ ......oh, it's just a dream. There is no one even remotely capable of such a role, based on the "Boris" model. And why would a "Boris" type want to run "the Chav Capital of the UK"( I'm quoting the Echo from a year or two ago, that ran a headline something like : It's official ! Southampton is the UK's chav capital !). Actually, there is one person who would make a perfect mayor for this city, but he is busy in Winchester : George Beckett.[/p][/quote]Oh Cllr Beckett, he is the the guy presiding over the City of Winchester, the City that has the highest carbon footprint per head of population. So what has he done to get people to stop flying, using their extra large Range Rovers and turn down their central heating? The more affluent and more Tory people get the more they pollute....simple. Fieldbean

3:08pm Sun 8 Apr 12

sabre2th1 says...

I think it would benefit alot
I think it would benefit alot sabre2th1

4:42pm Sun 8 Apr 12

mi76 says...

Mixed feelings. Having someone that can make quick changes could be a benefit but it could also cause significant issues in the way a Council operates internally - always at the whim of 1 person and constantly sucking up.

Having worked at a Council even having the normal system of Councillors causes a lot of issues. I feel osme departments do things to pelase Councillors not to do what is best for the residents. I worked in a department that enforced a specific type of legislation. Our work should have been decided by the issues coming up and guidance from the Govt on what to do - not to enforce the law as a few Councillors saw fit. Councillors do not know the ins and outs of every department and the right thing to do is - they just care about the end result which makes the Council look good - but that is not always what is best for residents. The Council departments are the ones with the knowledge, skills and awareness of their own work, but in my experience they are too easily swayed by political issues.
Mixed feelings. Having someone that can make quick changes could be a benefit but it could also cause significant issues in the way a Council operates internally - always at the whim of 1 person and constantly sucking up. Having worked at a Council even having the normal system of Councillors causes a lot of issues. I feel osme departments do things to pelase Councillors not to do what is best for the residents. I worked in a department that enforced a specific type of legislation. Our work should have been decided by the issues coming up and guidance from the Govt on what to do - not to enforce the law as a few Councillors saw fit. Councillors do not know the ins and outs of every department and the right thing to do is - they just care about the end result which makes the Council look good - but that is not always what is best for residents. The Council departments are the ones with the knowledge, skills and awareness of their own work, but in my experience they are too easily swayed by political issues. mi76

4:59pm Sun 8 Apr 12

BillyTheKid says...

Fieldbean wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
Now if we had a "Boris", namely a mayor as fiendishly intelligent and as hugely entertaining as Boris Johnson, someone who detests red tape and political correctness, someone with a common sense approach............


......oh, it's just a dream. There is no one even remotely capable of such a role, based on the "Boris" model. And why would a "Boris" type want to run "the Chav Capital of the UK"( I'm quoting the Echo from a year or two ago, that ran a headline something like : It's official ! Southampton is the UK's chav capital !).

Actually, there is one person who would make a perfect mayor for this city, but he is busy in Winchester : George Beckett.
Oh Cllr Beckett, he is the the guy presiding over the City of Winchester, the City that has the highest carbon footprint per head of population. So what has he done to get people to stop flying, using their extra large Range Rovers and turn down their central heating? The more affluent and more Tory people get the more they pollute....simple.
I wish someone or something would leave a big footprint on you sanctimonious, wingeing “greenies” ! The planet doesn’t need you. In fact, it would be better off without a “superior” race that is constantly at war, spreads desease, and creates a hungry, thirsty world population, 75% of which serves no useful purpose !
If we had any sense we would be desalinating all that extra water from the North Pole before it floods us into oblivion.
If the dinosaurs had found a way to preserve food from volcanic fallout, we would not be here now. Or if we were, we’d be tea for T Rex !
No, we don’t want some eco-friendly twerp who rides a bike, and recycles his own urine through a home-made Liebig Condenser for personal consumption. We need a cheery, “big noise” with business sense who will tackle unemployment, kick politics and politicians out of education, give council tax reductions to families that stay together and control their children, put more bobbies back on the beat, and get all the chavs with convictions doing community service helping Waste Management keep the city clean and tidy. With the boost in morale all that would achieve, there would be time for recycling and all that green stuff if you really think it would make a difference. Wouldn’t hurt.
Someone like George is cheery, got a great sense of humour, and is certainly a “big noise” with his guitar and PA ! He also has proven political and business track records. But I think George wants to be a policeman, so, if not George, someone like him.

Good points, in my opinion, mi76, but isn't there a risk of everything just plodding on the same ?
[quote][p][bold]Fieldbean[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: Now if we had a "Boris", namely a mayor as fiendishly intelligent and as hugely entertaining as Boris Johnson, someone who detests red tape and political correctness, someone with a common sense approach............ ......oh, it's just a dream. There is no one even remotely capable of such a role, based on the "Boris" model. And why would a "Boris" type want to run "the Chav Capital of the UK"( I'm quoting the Echo from a year or two ago, that ran a headline something like : It's official ! Southampton is the UK's chav capital !). Actually, there is one person who would make a perfect mayor for this city, but he is busy in Winchester : George Beckett.[/p][/quote]Oh Cllr Beckett, he is the the guy presiding over the City of Winchester, the City that has the highest carbon footprint per head of population. So what has he done to get people to stop flying, using their extra large Range Rovers and turn down their central heating? The more affluent and more Tory people get the more they pollute....simple.[/p][/quote]I wish someone or something would leave a big footprint on you sanctimonious, wingeing “greenies” ! The planet doesn’t need you. In fact, it would be better off without a “superior” race that is constantly at war, spreads desease, and creates a hungry, thirsty world population, 75% of which serves no useful purpose ! If we had any sense we would be desalinating all that extra water from the North Pole before it floods us into oblivion. If the dinosaurs had found a way to preserve food from volcanic fallout, we would not be here now. Or if we were, we’d be tea for T Rex ! No, we don’t want some eco-friendly twerp who rides a bike, and recycles his own urine through a home-made Liebig Condenser for personal consumption. We need a cheery, “big noise” with business sense who will tackle unemployment, kick politics and politicians out of education, give council tax reductions to families that stay together and control their children, put more bobbies back on the beat, and get all the chavs with convictions doing community service helping Waste Management keep the city clean and tidy. With the boost in morale all that would achieve, there would be time for recycling and all that green stuff if you really think it would make a difference. Wouldn’t hurt. Someone like George is cheery, got a great sense of humour, and is certainly a “big noise” with his guitar and PA ! He also has proven political and business track records. But I think George wants to be a policeman, so, if not George, someone like him. Good points, in my opinion, mi76, but isn't there a risk of everything just plodding on the same ? BillyTheKid

6:14pm Sun 8 Apr 12

Rob444 says...

Why do we have to copy the yanks all the time?
Why do we have to copy the yanks all the time? Rob444

6:45pm Sun 8 Apr 12

Lone Ranger. says...

Havent we got enough jokers running this council already.
.
Do we really need to add to it with a cloned bafoon like him
Havent we got enough jokers running this council already. . Do we really need to add to it with a cloned bafoon like him Lone Ranger.

7:28pm Sun 8 Apr 12

Linesman says...

"Would Southampton have been better off with a 'Boris'?"

Boris Karloff?

There is already a frightening monsters running the show.

Boris Yeltsin?

He would not have been keen now that the government is talking about a minimum price per unit of alcohol.

Boris Johnson?

Royston Smith has turned the city into a three-ringed circus, so why not employ a political clown.
"Would Southampton have been better off with a 'Boris'?" Boris Karloff? There is already a frightening monsters running the show. Boris Yeltsin? He would not have been keen now that the government is talking about a minimum price per unit of alcohol. Boris Johnson? Royston Smith has turned the city into a three-ringed circus, so why not employ a political clown. Linesman

9:01pm Sun 8 Apr 12

BillyTheKid says...

Linesman wrote:
"Would Southampton have been better off with a 'Boris'?"

Boris Karloff?

There is already a frightening monsters running the show.

Boris Yeltsin?

He would not have been keen now that the government is talking about a minimum price per unit of alcohol.

Boris Johnson?

Royston Smith has turned the city into a three-ringed circus, so why not employ a political clown.
Lets see now : "baffoon" and "political clown". That's how you would describe Boris Johnson. Let's look at Boris' CV :

Eton
Oxford - Degree in Classics
Journalist with Times
Asst. Editor with Telegraph
Editor of Spectator
MP for Henley
Shadow Minister for Arts
Shadow Minister for Higher Education
Writer of several published books
Mayor of London (elected with the largest number of votes in British history-more than a million)

I'd call that a very successful career, and massively more prestigious than anyone we have ever had associated with our local politics and administration.

YOU are the clowns, YOU are the baffoons, for talking such tripe.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: "Would Southampton have been better off with a 'Boris'?" Boris Karloff? There is already a frightening monsters running the show. Boris Yeltsin? He would not have been keen now that the government is talking about a minimum price per unit of alcohol. Boris Johnson? Royston Smith has turned the city into a three-ringed circus, so why not employ a political clown.[/p][/quote]Lets see now : "baffoon" and "political clown". That's how you would describe Boris Johnson. Let's look at Boris' CV : Eton Oxford - Degree in Classics Journalist with Times Asst. Editor with Telegraph Editor of Spectator MP for Henley Shadow Minister for Arts Shadow Minister for Higher Education Writer of several published books Mayor of London (elected with the largest number of votes in British history-more than a million) I'd call that a very successful career, and massively more prestigious than anyone we have ever had associated with our local politics and administration. YOU are the clowns, YOU are the baffoons, for talking such tripe. BillyTheKid

9:44pm Sun 8 Apr 12

grumpy and middle aged says...

Great idea. 1st job would be to get rid of the councillors. Do away with Capita. Sack those who have bad sick records, get rid of lines of management. Refuse to pay huge sums to private landlords. Do whats best for the city not political gain.. Never going to happen.
Great idea. 1st job would be to get rid of the councillors. Do away with Capita. Sack those who have bad sick records, get rid of lines of management. Refuse to pay huge sums to private landlords. Do whats best for the city not political gain.. Never going to happen. grumpy and middle aged

10:00pm Sun 8 Apr 12

rightway says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
Linesman wrote: "Would Southampton have been better off with a 'Boris'?" Boris Karloff? There is already a frightening monsters running the show. Boris Yeltsin? He would not have been keen now that the government is talking about a minimum price per unit of alcohol. Boris Johnson? Royston Smith has turned the city into a three-ringed circus, so why not employ a political clown.
Lets see now : "baffoon" and "political clown". That's how you would describe Boris Johnson. Let's look at Boris' CV : Eton Oxford - Degree in Classics Journalist with Times Asst. Editor with Telegraph Editor of Spectator MP for Henley Shadow Minister for Arts Shadow Minister for Higher Education Writer of several published books Mayor of London (elected with the largest number of votes in British history-more than a million) I'd call that a very successful career, and massively more prestigious than anyone we have ever had associated with our local politics and administration. YOU are the clowns, YOU are the baffoons, for talking such tripe.
Just because Boris was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and was classically educated, does not make him any less the clown, a likeable and entertaining one I will admit, but like many of his ilk, still a clown.
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: "Would Southampton have been better off with a 'Boris'?" Boris Karloff? There is already a frightening monsters running the show. Boris Yeltsin? He would not have been keen now that the government is talking about a minimum price per unit of alcohol. Boris Johnson? Royston Smith has turned the city into a three-ringed circus, so why not employ a political clown.[/p][/quote]Lets see now : "baffoon" and "political clown". That's how you would describe Boris Johnson. Let's look at Boris' CV : Eton Oxford - Degree in Classics Journalist with Times Asst. Editor with Telegraph Editor of Spectator MP for Henley Shadow Minister for Arts Shadow Minister for Higher Education Writer of several published books Mayor of London (elected with the largest number of votes in British history-more than a million) I'd call that a very successful career, and massively more prestigious than anyone we have ever had associated with our local politics and administration. YOU are the clowns, YOU are the baffoons, for talking such tripe.[/p][/quote]Just because Boris was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and was classically educated, does not make him any less the clown, a likeable and entertaining one I will admit, but like many of his ilk, still a clown. rightway

10:35pm Sun 8 Apr 12

Condor Man says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
Linesman wrote:
"Would Southampton have been better off with a 'Boris'?"

Boris Karloff?

There is already a frightening monsters running the show.

Boris Yeltsin?

He would not have been keen now that the government is talking about a minimum price per unit of alcohol.

Boris Johnson?

Royston Smith has turned the city into a three-ringed circus, so why not employ a political clown.
Lets see now : "baffoon" and "political clown". That's how you would describe Boris Johnson. Let's look at Boris' CV :

Eton
Oxford - Degree in Classics
Journalist with Times
Asst. Editor with Telegraph
Editor of Spectator
MP for Henley
Shadow Minister for Arts
Shadow Minister for Higher Education
Writer of several published books
Mayor of London (elected with the largest number of votes in British history-more than a million)

I'd call that a very successful career, and massively more prestigious than anyone we have ever had associated with our local politics and administration.

YOU are the clowns, YOU are the baffoons, for talking such tripe.
yes, we've got 2 MPs, neither of whom had a career of any significance prior to entering parliament. Due to the poor education residents of Southampton get - a legacy of the Wilson government, it's not surprising that we lack any politicians of any discernible talent.
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: "Would Southampton have been better off with a 'Boris'?" Boris Karloff? There is already a frightening monsters running the show. Boris Yeltsin? He would not have been keen now that the government is talking about a minimum price per unit of alcohol. Boris Johnson? Royston Smith has turned the city into a three-ringed circus, so why not employ a political clown.[/p][/quote]Lets see now : "baffoon" and "political clown". That's how you would describe Boris Johnson. Let's look at Boris' CV : Eton Oxford - Degree in Classics Journalist with Times Asst. Editor with Telegraph Editor of Spectator MP for Henley Shadow Minister for Arts Shadow Minister for Higher Education Writer of several published books Mayor of London (elected with the largest number of votes in British history-more than a million) I'd call that a very successful career, and massively more prestigious than anyone we have ever had associated with our local politics and administration. YOU are the clowns, YOU are the baffoons, for talking such tripe.[/p][/quote]yes, we've got 2 MPs, neither of whom had a career of any significance prior to entering parliament. Due to the poor education residents of Southampton get - a legacy of the Wilson government, it's not surprising that we lack any politicians of any discernible talent. Condor Man

10:35pm Sun 8 Apr 12

Condor Man says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
Linesman wrote:
"Would Southampton have been better off with a 'Boris'?"

Boris Karloff?

There is already a frightening monsters running the show.

Boris Yeltsin?

He would not have been keen now that the government is talking about a minimum price per unit of alcohol.

Boris Johnson?

Royston Smith has turned the city into a three-ringed circus, so why not employ a political clown.
Lets see now : "baffoon" and "political clown". That's how you would describe Boris Johnson. Let's look at Boris' CV :

Eton
Oxford - Degree in Classics
Journalist with Times
Asst. Editor with Telegraph
Editor of Spectator
MP for Henley
Shadow Minister for Arts
Shadow Minister for Higher Education
Writer of several published books
Mayor of London (elected with the largest number of votes in British history-more than a million)

I'd call that a very successful career, and massively more prestigious than anyone we have ever had associated with our local politics and administration.

YOU are the clowns, YOU are the baffoons, for talking such tripe.
yes, we've got 2 MPs, neither of whom had a career of any significance prior to entering parliament. Due to the poor education residents of Southampton get - a legacy of the Wilson government, it's not surprising that we lack any politicians of any discernible talent.
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: "Would Southampton have been better off with a 'Boris'?" Boris Karloff? There is already a frightening monsters running the show. Boris Yeltsin? He would not have been keen now that the government is talking about a minimum price per unit of alcohol. Boris Johnson? Royston Smith has turned the city into a three-ringed circus, so why not employ a political clown.[/p][/quote]Lets see now : "baffoon" and "political clown". That's how you would describe Boris Johnson. Let's look at Boris' CV : Eton Oxford - Degree in Classics Journalist with Times Asst. Editor with Telegraph Editor of Spectator MP for Henley Shadow Minister for Arts Shadow Minister for Higher Education Writer of several published books Mayor of London (elected with the largest number of votes in British history-more than a million) I'd call that a very successful career, and massively more prestigious than anyone we have ever had associated with our local politics and administration. YOU are the clowns, YOU are the baffoons, for talking such tripe.[/p][/quote]yes, we've got 2 MPs, neither of whom had a career of any significance prior to entering parliament. Due to the poor education residents of Southampton get - a legacy of the Wilson government, it's not surprising that we lack any politicians of any discernible talent. Condor Man

12:38am Mon 9 Apr 12

BillyTheKid says...

Condor Man wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
Linesman wrote:
"Would Southampton have been better off with a 'Boris'?"

Boris Karloff?

There is already a frightening monsters running the show.

Boris Yeltsin?

He would not have been keen now that the government is talking about a minimum price per unit of alcohol.

Boris Johnson?

Royston Smith has turned the city into a three-ringed circus, so why not employ a political clown.
Lets see now : "baffoon" and "political clown". That's how you would describe Boris Johnson. Let's look at Boris' CV :

Eton
Oxford - Degree in Classics
Journalist with Times
Asst. Editor with Telegraph
Editor of Spectator
MP for Henley
Shadow Minister for Arts
Shadow Minister for Higher Education
Writer of several published books
Mayor of London (elected with the largest number of votes in British history-more than a million)

I'd call that a very successful career, and massively more prestigious than anyone we have ever had associated with our local politics and administration.

YOU are the clowns, YOU are the baffoons, for talking such tripe.
yes, we've got 2 MPs, neither of whom had a career of any significance prior to entering parliament. Due to the poor education residents of Southampton get - a legacy of the Wilson government, it's not surprising that we lack any politicians of any discernible talent.
You are right. Millbrook, Bellemoor, Glen Eyre, Woolston, Woodlands, Hardley : all of these have failed to satisfy OFSTED at some point. And probably others I can't think of right now.

All the more reason to have a dynamic, exciting leader to help Southampton rebuild its self esteem.
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: "Would Southampton have been better off with a 'Boris'?" Boris Karloff? There is already a frightening monsters running the show. Boris Yeltsin? He would not have been keen now that the government is talking about a minimum price per unit of alcohol. Boris Johnson? Royston Smith has turned the city into a three-ringed circus, so why not employ a political clown.[/p][/quote]Lets see now : "baffoon" and "political clown". That's how you would describe Boris Johnson. Let's look at Boris' CV : Eton Oxford - Degree in Classics Journalist with Times Asst. Editor with Telegraph Editor of Spectator MP for Henley Shadow Minister for Arts Shadow Minister for Higher Education Writer of several published books Mayor of London (elected with the largest number of votes in British history-more than a million) I'd call that a very successful career, and massively more prestigious than anyone we have ever had associated with our local politics and administration. YOU are the clowns, YOU are the baffoons, for talking such tripe.[/p][/quote]yes, we've got 2 MPs, neither of whom had a career of any significance prior to entering parliament. Due to the poor education residents of Southampton get - a legacy of the Wilson government, it's not surprising that we lack any politicians of any discernible talent.[/p][/quote]You are right. Millbrook, Bellemoor, Glen Eyre, Woolston, Woodlands, Hardley : all of these have failed to satisfy OFSTED at some point. And probably others I can't think of right now. All the more reason to have a dynamic, exciting leader to help Southampton rebuild its self esteem. BillyTheKid

12:51am Mon 9 Apr 12

BillyTheKid says...

rightway wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
Linesman wrote: "Would Southampton have been better off with a 'Boris'?" Boris Karloff? There is already a frightening monsters running the show. Boris Yeltsin? He would not have been keen now that the government is talking about a minimum price per unit of alcohol. Boris Johnson? Royston Smith has turned the city into a three-ringed circus, so why not employ a political clown.
Lets see now : "baffoon" and "political clown". That's how you would describe Boris Johnson. Let's look at Boris' CV : Eton Oxford - Degree in Classics Journalist with Times Asst. Editor with Telegraph Editor of Spectator MP for Henley Shadow Minister for Arts Shadow Minister for Higher Education Writer of several published books Mayor of London (elected with the largest number of votes in British history-more than a million) I'd call that a very successful career, and massively more prestigious than anyone we have ever had associated with our local politics and administration. YOU are the clowns, YOU are the baffoons, for talking such tripe.
Just because Boris was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and was classically educated, does not make him any less the clown, a likeable and entertaining one I will admit, but like many of his ilk, still a clown.
Silver spoon or not, you still have to get exceptional A level results to get into Oxford, and you have to work hard to get an upper second honours degree. Boris Johnson is a great entertainer, and has a great sense of humour. His somewhat distracted, sometimes bumbling manner has a lot to do with the fact that he is deaf and has to wear hearing aids.
To call someone with his educational background, achievement record, and personality a clown is just plain stupid.
Sounds like you might be in some way jealous.
[quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: "Would Southampton have been better off with a 'Boris'?" Boris Karloff? There is already a frightening monsters running the show. Boris Yeltsin? He would not have been keen now that the government is talking about a minimum price per unit of alcohol. Boris Johnson? Royston Smith has turned the city into a three-ringed circus, so why not employ a political clown.[/p][/quote]Lets see now : "baffoon" and "political clown". That's how you would describe Boris Johnson. Let's look at Boris' CV : Eton Oxford - Degree in Classics Journalist with Times Asst. Editor with Telegraph Editor of Spectator MP for Henley Shadow Minister for Arts Shadow Minister for Higher Education Writer of several published books Mayor of London (elected with the largest number of votes in British history-more than a million) I'd call that a very successful career, and massively more prestigious than anyone we have ever had associated with our local politics and administration. YOU are the clowns, YOU are the baffoons, for talking such tripe.[/p][/quote]Just because Boris was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and was classically educated, does not make him any less the clown, a likeable and entertaining one I will admit, but like many of his ilk, still a clown.[/p][/quote]Silver spoon or not, you still have to get exceptional A level results to get into Oxford, and you have to work hard to get an upper second honours degree. Boris Johnson is a great entertainer, and has a great sense of humour. His somewhat distracted, sometimes bumbling manner has a lot to do with the fact that he is deaf and has to wear hearing aids. To call someone with his educational background, achievement record, and personality a clown is just plain stupid. Sounds like you might be in some way jealous. BillyTheKid

3:44am Mon 9 Apr 12

dolomiteman says...

After reading these comments my vote for mayor goes to 'billythekid'.
After reading these comments my vote for mayor goes to 'billythekid'. dolomiteman

8:33am Mon 9 Apr 12

loosehead says...

Unlike our MP's Boris Johnson spoke out against the government on the capping of rent as he felt many of his constituents would be forced from London.
Silverspoon or not he has fought for the people who elected him Has Denham or Whitehead?
Unlike our MP's Boris Johnson spoke out against the government on the capping of rent as he felt many of his constituents would be forced from London. Silverspoon or not he has fought for the people who elected him Has Denham or Whitehead? loosehead

8:58am Mon 9 Apr 12

willerby caravans says...

So if you all want rid of the utter rubbish of the main stream parties and the same onld councillors every year give independants a chance. I'm standing for council in Basingstoke. I'm not PC Im normal I think and I work for myself so understand small businesses BUT. Im not in their club. You see Con Lab Libs are actually all in it together. No real democracy. So go for the little guys and ALSO I'm not a Racist or any other stupid insult the others give nor bnp but will be a GADFLY
So if you all want rid of the utter rubbish of the main stream parties and the same onld councillors every year give independants a chance. I'm standing for council in Basingstoke. I'm not PC Im normal I think and I work for myself so understand small businesses BUT. Im not in their club. You see Con Lab Libs are actually all in it together. No real democracy. So go for the little guys and ALSO I'm not a Racist or any other stupid insult the others give nor bnp but will be a GADFLY willerby caravans

10:49am Mon 9 Apr 12

Solomon's Boot says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
Solomon's Boot wrote:
Anyone's better than a Ken bloody Livingstone type.....Sucking up to minority groups to gain their votes!
Totally agree ! .......But.....if you don't mind me saying so....not just anyone. It would have to be someone hugely popular with Southampton people, with vision and a ton of common sense. Getting all three in "one bundle" might be difficult.
Fair point, Billy. Getting someone with common sense is the biggest problem, though!
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Solomon's Boot[/bold] wrote: Anyone's better than a Ken bloody Livingstone type.....Sucking up to minority groups to gain their votes![/p][/quote]Totally agree ! .......But.....if you don't mind me saying so....not just anyone. It would have to be someone hugely popular with Southampton people, with vision and a ton of common sense. Getting all three in "one bundle" might be difficult.[/p][/quote]Fair point, Billy. Getting someone with common sense is the biggest problem, though! Solomon's Boot

11:31am Mon 9 Apr 12

Lone Ranger. says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
Linesman wrote:
"Would Southampton have been better off with a 'Boris'?"

Boris Karloff?

There is already a frightening monsters running the show.

Boris Yeltsin?

He would not have been keen now that the government is talking about a minimum price per unit of alcohol.

Boris Johnson?

Royston Smith has turned the city into a three-ringed circus, so why not employ a political clown.
Lets see now : "baffoon" and "political clown". That's how you would describe Boris Johnson. Let's look at Boris' CV :

Eton
Oxford - Degree in Classics
Journalist with Times
Asst. Editor with Telegraph
Editor of Spectator
MP for Henley
Shadow Minister for Arts
Shadow Minister for Higher Education
Writer of several published books
Mayor of London (elected with the largest number of votes in British history-more than a million)

I'd call that a very successful career, and massively more prestigious than anyone we have ever had associated with our local politics and administration.

YOU are the clowns, YOU are the baffoons, for talking such tripe.
Yes vey good.
.
It just proves that even with an education it does not make you a better person, doesnt allow you to show compassion and does not give you common sense.
.
However the money does buy you into the Bullingdon Club .... ... just ask slippery Dave.
.
As for me being a clown or baffoon or talking tripe.... i am ......... only upstaged by yourself
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: "Would Southampton have been better off with a 'Boris'?" Boris Karloff? There is already a frightening monsters running the show. Boris Yeltsin? He would not have been keen now that the government is talking about a minimum price per unit of alcohol. Boris Johnson? Royston Smith has turned the city into a three-ringed circus, so why not employ a political clown.[/p][/quote]Lets see now : "baffoon" and "political clown". That's how you would describe Boris Johnson. Let's look at Boris' CV : Eton Oxford - Degree in Classics Journalist with Times Asst. Editor with Telegraph Editor of Spectator MP for Henley Shadow Minister for Arts Shadow Minister for Higher Education Writer of several published books Mayor of London (elected with the largest number of votes in British history-more than a million) I'd call that a very successful career, and massively more prestigious than anyone we have ever had associated with our local politics and administration. YOU are the clowns, YOU are the baffoons, for talking such tripe.[/p][/quote]Yes vey good. . It just proves that even with an education it does not make you a better person, doesnt allow you to show compassion and does not give you common sense. . However the money does buy you into the Bullingdon Club .... ... just ask slippery Dave. . As for me being a clown or baffoon or talking tripe.... i am ......... only upstaged by yourself Lone Ranger.

12:19pm Mon 9 Apr 12

BillyTheKid says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
Linesman wrote:
"Would Southampton have been better off with a 'Boris'?"

Boris Karloff?

There is already a frightening monsters running the show.

Boris Yeltsin?

He would not have been keen now that the government is talking about a minimum price per unit of alcohol.

Boris Johnson?

Royston Smith has turned the city into a three-ringed circus, so why not employ a political clown.
Lets see now : "baffoon" and "political clown". That's how you would describe Boris Johnson. Let's look at Boris' CV :

Eton
Oxford - Degree in Classics
Journalist with Times
Asst. Editor with Telegraph
Editor of Spectator
MP for Henley
Shadow Minister for Arts
Shadow Minister for Higher Education
Writer of several published books
Mayor of London (elected with the largest number of votes in British history-more than a million)

I'd call that a very successful career, and massively more prestigious than anyone we have ever had associated with our local politics and administration.

YOU are the clowns, YOU are the baffoons, for talking such tripe.
Yes vey good.
.
It just proves that even with an education it does not make you a better person, doesnt allow you to show compassion and does not give you common sense.
.
However the money does buy you into the Bullingdon Club .... ... just ask slippery Dave.
.
As for me being a clown or baffoon or talking tripe.... i am ......... only upstaged by yourself
Yes, Lone Ranger ! Of course ! Scrap education 'cos it does NOT make you a better person because....um....bec
ause....LoneRanger says so. Also, it does NOT encourage the showing of compassion because.....er....'c
os Lone Ranger says so. And it certainly won't encourage you to demonstrate common sense because.....Lone Ranger says so !

Where did you get this amazing insight that the rest of the world seems to have missed ? Of course ! You've no education and are a better person for it !

Vote for Bonehead Ranger ! Go on ! Show some pity for this poor, jealous soul who thinks Eton and Oxford are a waste of money ! Did I get his name right ? No....it was Lone Shark ! "Oooops ! Wrong story !"

(The audience claps enthusiastically....
.and Billy leaves the stage...."up"wards, I think ? Better check with....Oh! he's gone ! Who was that masked poster, the one with blinkered vision ? (Cue William Tell overture......)

It was.......the Lone Ranger ! ( Diddle-um ! Diddle-um ! Diddle um-dum-dum-dum-dum..
..etc )
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: "Would Southampton have been better off with a 'Boris'?" Boris Karloff? There is already a frightening monsters running the show. Boris Yeltsin? He would not have been keen now that the government is talking about a minimum price per unit of alcohol. Boris Johnson? Royston Smith has turned the city into a three-ringed circus, so why not employ a political clown.[/p][/quote]Lets see now : "baffoon" and "political clown". That's how you would describe Boris Johnson. Let's look at Boris' CV : Eton Oxford - Degree in Classics Journalist with Times Asst. Editor with Telegraph Editor of Spectator MP for Henley Shadow Minister for Arts Shadow Minister for Higher Education Writer of several published books Mayor of London (elected with the largest number of votes in British history-more than a million) I'd call that a very successful career, and massively more prestigious than anyone we have ever had associated with our local politics and administration. YOU are the clowns, YOU are the baffoons, for talking such tripe.[/p][/quote]Yes vey good. . It just proves that even with an education it does not make you a better person, doesnt allow you to show compassion and does not give you common sense. . However the money does buy you into the Bullingdon Club .... ... just ask slippery Dave. . As for me being a clown or baffoon or talking tripe.... i am ......... only upstaged by yourself[/p][/quote]Yes, Lone Ranger ! Of course ! Scrap education 'cos it does NOT make you a better person because....um....bec ause....LoneRanger says so. Also, it does NOT encourage the showing of compassion because.....er....'c os Lone Ranger says so. And it certainly won't encourage you to demonstrate common sense because.....Lone Ranger says so ! Where did you get this amazing insight that the rest of the world seems to have missed ? Of course ! You've no education and are a better person for it ! Vote for Bonehead Ranger ! Go on ! Show some pity for this poor, jealous soul who thinks Eton and Oxford are a waste of money ! Did I get his name right ? No....it was Lone Shark ! "Oooops ! Wrong story !" (The audience claps enthusiastically.... .and Billy leaves the stage...."up"wards, I think ? Better check with....Oh! he's gone ! Who was that masked poster, the one with blinkered vision ? (Cue William Tell overture......) It was.......the Lone Ranger ! ( Diddle-um ! Diddle-um ! Diddle um-dum-dum-dum-dum.. ..etc ) BillyTheKid

12:37pm Mon 9 Apr 12

Lone Ranger. says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
Linesman wrote:
"Would Southampton have been better off with a 'Boris'?"

Boris Karloff?

There is already a frightening monsters running the show.

Boris Yeltsin?

He would not have been keen now that the government is talking about a minimum price per unit of alcohol.

Boris Johnson?

Royston Smith has turned the city into a three-ringed circus, so why not employ a political clown.
Lets see now : "baffoon" and "political clown". That's how you would describe Boris Johnson. Let's look at Boris' CV :

Eton
Oxford - Degree in Classics
Journalist with Times
Asst. Editor with Telegraph
Editor of Spectator
MP for Henley
Shadow Minister for Arts
Shadow Minister for Higher Education
Writer of several published books
Mayor of London (elected with the largest number of votes in British history-more than a million)

I'd call that a very successful career, and massively more prestigious than anyone we have ever had associated with our local politics and administration.

YOU are the clowns, YOU are the baffoons, for talking such tripe.
Yes vey good.
.
It just proves that even with an education it does not make you a better person, doesnt allow you to show compassion and does not give you common sense.
.
However the money does buy you into the Bullingdon Club .... ... just ask slippery Dave.
.
As for me being a clown or baffoon or talking tripe.... i am ......... only upstaged by yourself
Yes, Lone Ranger ! Of course ! Scrap education 'cos it does NOT make you a better person because....um....bec

ause....LoneRanger says so. Also, it does NOT encourage the showing of compassion because.....er....'c

os Lone Ranger says so. And it certainly won't encourage you to demonstrate common sense because.....Lone Ranger says so !

Where did you get this amazing insight that the rest of the world seems to have missed ? Of course ! You've no education and are a better person for it !

Vote for Bonehead Ranger ! Go on ! Show some pity for this poor, jealous soul who thinks Eton and Oxford are a waste of money ! Did I get his name right ? No....it was Lone Shark ! "Oooops ! Wrong story !"

(The audience claps enthusiastically....

.and Billy leaves the stage...."up"wards, I think ? Better check with....Oh! he's gone ! Who was that masked poster, the one with blinkered vision ? (Cue William Tell overture......)

It was.......the Lone Ranger ! ( Diddle-um ! Diddle-um ! Diddle um-dum-dum-dum-dum..

..etc )
Oh dear what a silly person you are.
.
I suppose the word Kid in you name explains a great deal.
.
On the assumption that you have having or have had an education would indeed prove my point.
.
But there again you are probably an ex teacher which further proves that you may be able to read but very little sinks in ......... Oh yes and the common sense bit ..... I was spot on
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: "Would Southampton have been better off with a 'Boris'?" Boris Karloff? There is already a frightening monsters running the show. Boris Yeltsin? He would not have been keen now that the government is talking about a minimum price per unit of alcohol. Boris Johnson? Royston Smith has turned the city into a three-ringed circus, so why not employ a political clown.[/p][/quote]Lets see now : "baffoon" and "political clown". That's how you would describe Boris Johnson. Let's look at Boris' CV : Eton Oxford - Degree in Classics Journalist with Times Asst. Editor with Telegraph Editor of Spectator MP for Henley Shadow Minister for Arts Shadow Minister for Higher Education Writer of several published books Mayor of London (elected with the largest number of votes in British history-more than a million) I'd call that a very successful career, and massively more prestigious than anyone we have ever had associated with our local politics and administration. YOU are the clowns, YOU are the baffoons, for talking such tripe.[/p][/quote]Yes vey good. . It just proves that even with an education it does not make you a better person, doesnt allow you to show compassion and does not give you common sense. . However the money does buy you into the Bullingdon Club .... ... just ask slippery Dave. . As for me being a clown or baffoon or talking tripe.... i am ......... only upstaged by yourself[/p][/quote]Yes, Lone Ranger ! Of course ! Scrap education 'cos it does NOT make you a better person because....um....bec ause....LoneRanger says so. Also, it does NOT encourage the showing of compassion because.....er....'c os Lone Ranger says so. And it certainly won't encourage you to demonstrate common sense because.....Lone Ranger says so ! Where did you get this amazing insight that the rest of the world seems to have missed ? Of course ! You've no education and are a better person for it ! Vote for Bonehead Ranger ! Go on ! Show some pity for this poor, jealous soul who thinks Eton and Oxford are a waste of money ! Did I get his name right ? No....it was Lone Shark ! "Oooops ! Wrong story !" (The audience claps enthusiastically.... .and Billy leaves the stage...."up"wards, I think ? Better check with....Oh! he's gone ! Who was that masked poster, the one with blinkered vision ? (Cue William Tell overture......) It was.......the Lone Ranger ! ( Diddle-um ! Diddle-um ! Diddle um-dum-dum-dum-dum.. ..etc )[/p][/quote]Oh dear what a silly person you are. . I suppose the word Kid in you name explains a great deal. . On the assumption that you have having or have had an education would indeed prove my point. . But there again you are probably an ex teacher which further proves that you may be able to read but very little sinks in ......... Oh yes and the common sense bit ..... I was spot on Lone Ranger.

1:22pm Mon 9 Apr 12

southy says...

We have a Mayor why would you give a mayor dictatorship powers for.
We have a Mayor why would you give a mayor dictatorship powers for. southy

2:05pm Mon 9 Apr 12

BillyTheKid says...

Lone Ranger meant to say.....
1:59pm Mon 9 Apr 12

"Oh ! What a comical fellow you are !

Although I know you call yourself BillyTheKid as a reference to you often finding yourself a victim of circumstances during your life, "Kid" is still appropriate as an indication that age has not withered your once youthful exuberance !

Clearly you are an educated person, and you have been most helpful in pointng out how wide of the mark my rather frivolous remarks were.

I believe you are a retired teacher, aren't you ? I bet, with your satirical wit and sharp sense of humour, your lessons were fun as well as informative. Students remember so much more when they can enjoy learning. And to be able to do that on a daily basis must mean you are very well-read and able to retain all you know for future reference. Yes, you are a chap capable of highly-imaginative flights of fancy, without losing sight of the ground and good old common sense. I take my hat off to you.

And you're bl**dy good at taking the p*ss out of dull, boring old w*nkers like me ! ! !

(BillyTheKid asserts that this piece, like others, is satire, and not intended to cause personal offence..........wel
l......perhaps just a teenyweeny bit........I mean it wouldn't be satirical if it didn't have a bit of bite (bit of bite ? That's good !)....as I was saying...a bit of bite to it, would it ? Common sense........)
Lone Ranger meant to say..... 1:59pm Mon 9 Apr 12 "Oh ! What a comical fellow you are ! Although I know you call yourself BillyTheKid as a reference to you often finding yourself a victim of circumstances during your life, "Kid" is still appropriate as an indication that age has not withered your once youthful exuberance ! Clearly you are an educated person, and you have been most helpful in pointng out how wide of the mark my rather frivolous remarks were. I believe you are a retired teacher, aren't you ? I bet, with your satirical wit and sharp sense of humour, your lessons were fun as well as informative. Students remember so much more when they can enjoy learning. And to be able to do that on a daily basis must mean you are very well-read and able to retain all you know for future reference. Yes, you are a chap capable of highly-imaginative flights of fancy, without losing sight of the ground and good old common sense. I take my hat off to you. And you're bl**dy good at taking the p*ss out of dull, boring old w*nkers like me ! ! ! (BillyTheKid asserts that this piece, like others, is satire, and not intended to cause personal offence..........wel l......perhaps just a teenyweeny bit........I mean it wouldn't be satirical if it didn't have a bit of bite (bit of bite ? That's good !)....as I was saying...a bit of bite to it, would it ? Common sense........) BillyTheKid

2:58pm Mon 9 Apr 12

rightway says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
Lone Ranger meant to say..... 1:59pm Mon 9 Apr 12 "Oh ! What a comical fellow you are ! Although I know you call yourself BillyTheKid as a reference to you often finding yourself a victim of circumstances during your life, "Kid" is still appropriate as an indication that age has not withered your once youthful exuberance ! Clearly you are an educated person, and you have been most helpful in pointng out how wide of the mark my rather frivolous remarks were. I believe you are a retired teacher, aren't you ? I bet, with your satirical wit and sharp sense of humour, your lessons were fun as well as informative. Students remember so much more when they can enjoy learning. And to be able to do that on a daily basis must mean you are very well-read and able to retain all you know for future reference. Yes, you are a chap capable of highly-imaginative flights of fancy, without losing sight of the ground and good old common sense. I take my hat off to you. And you're bl**dy good at taking the p*ss out of dull, boring old w*nkers like me ! ! ! (BillyTheKid asserts that this piece, like others, is satire, and not intended to cause personal offence..........wel l......perhaps just a teenyweeny bit........I mean it wouldn't be satirical if it didn't have a bit of bite (bit of bite ? That's good !)....as I was saying...a bit of bite to it, would it ? Common sense........)
Billythekid, please do tell us what the problem is, have you reached that point where you realise that you have achieved nothing in life, where no-one listens to your sad rants because its “only silly old billy”.
Why do these idiots not realise that only the opinion of silly old billy has any merit, no-one understands what’s wrong with the world by me.
When you look in the mirror, who is that sad lonely old man looking back.
“I know”, says sad lonely old billy there’s that knew thingmemagig called the tinternet, I’ll go on there and they’ll all have to listen to me cause I’m right and, when these stupid people read what I have to say they’ll all want to read more about me me me, and I won’t be lonely any more.
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: Lone Ranger meant to say..... 1:59pm Mon 9 Apr 12 "Oh ! What a comical fellow you are ! Although I know you call yourself BillyTheKid as a reference to you often finding yourself a victim of circumstances during your life, "Kid" is still appropriate as an indication that age has not withered your once youthful exuberance ! Clearly you are an educated person, and you have been most helpful in pointng out how wide of the mark my rather frivolous remarks were. I believe you are a retired teacher, aren't you ? I bet, with your satirical wit and sharp sense of humour, your lessons were fun as well as informative. Students remember so much more when they can enjoy learning. And to be able to do that on a daily basis must mean you are very well-read and able to retain all you know for future reference. Yes, you are a chap capable of highly-imaginative flights of fancy, without losing sight of the ground and good old common sense. I take my hat off to you. And you're bl**dy good at taking the p*ss out of dull, boring old w*nkers like me ! ! ! (BillyTheKid asserts that this piece, like others, is satire, and not intended to cause personal offence..........wel l......perhaps just a teenyweeny bit........I mean it wouldn't be satirical if it didn't have a bit of bite (bit of bite ? That's good !)....as I was saying...a bit of bite to it, would it ? Common sense........)[/p][/quote]Billythekid, please do tell us what the problem is, have you reached that point where you realise that you have achieved nothing in life, where no-one listens to your sad rants because its “only silly old billy”. Why do these idiots not realise that only the opinion of silly old billy has any merit, no-one understands what’s wrong with the world by me. When you look in the mirror, who is that sad lonely old man looking back. “I know”, says sad lonely old billy there’s that knew thingmemagig called the tinternet, I’ll go on there and they’ll all have to listen to me cause I’m right and, when these stupid people read what I have to say they’ll all want to read more about me me me, and I won’t be lonely any more. rightway

3:00pm Mon 9 Apr 12

Lone Ranger. says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
Lone Ranger meant to say.....
1:59pm Mon 9 Apr 12

"Oh ! What a comical fellow you are !

Although I know you call yourself BillyTheKid as a reference to you often finding yourself a victim of circumstances during your life, "Kid" is still appropriate as an indication that age has not withered your once youthful exuberance !

Clearly you are an educated person, and you have been most helpful in pointng out how wide of the mark my rather frivolous remarks were.

I believe you are a retired teacher, aren't you ? I bet, with your satirical wit and sharp sense of humour, your lessons were fun as well as informative. Students remember so much more when they can enjoy learning. And to be able to do that on a daily basis must mean you are very well-read and able to retain all you know for future reference. Yes, you are a chap capable of highly-imaginative flights of fancy, without losing sight of the ground and good old common sense. I take my hat off to you.

And you're bl**dy good at taking the p*ss out of dull, boring old w*nkers like me ! ! !

(BillyTheKid asserts that this piece, like others, is satire, and not intended to cause personal offence..........wel

l......perhaps just a teenyweeny bit........I mean it wouldn't be satirical if it didn't have a bit of bite (bit of bite ? That's good !)....as I was saying...a bit of bite to it, would it ? Common sense........)
Retired or out of work teacher then !!!!.
.
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: Lone Ranger meant to say..... 1:59pm Mon 9 Apr 12 "Oh ! What a comical fellow you are ! Although I know you call yourself BillyTheKid as a reference to you often finding yourself a victim of circumstances during your life, "Kid" is still appropriate as an indication that age has not withered your once youthful exuberance ! Clearly you are an educated person, and you have been most helpful in pointng out how wide of the mark my rather frivolous remarks were. I believe you are a retired teacher, aren't you ? I bet, with your satirical wit and sharp sense of humour, your lessons were fun as well as informative. Students remember so much more when they can enjoy learning. And to be able to do that on a daily basis must mean you are very well-read and able to retain all you know for future reference. Yes, you are a chap capable of highly-imaginative flights of fancy, without losing sight of the ground and good old common sense. I take my hat off to you. And you're bl**dy good at taking the p*ss out of dull, boring old w*nkers like me ! ! ! (BillyTheKid asserts that this piece, like others, is satire, and not intended to cause personal offence..........wel l......perhaps just a teenyweeny bit........I mean it wouldn't be satirical if it didn't have a bit of bite (bit of bite ? That's good !)....as I was saying...a bit of bite to it, would it ? Common sense........)[/p][/quote]Retired or out of work teacher then !!!!. . Lone Ranger.

4:16pm Mon 9 Apr 12

BillyTheKid says...

To Rightway and Lone Ranger :

The only thing that is sad is that some people don't seem to see this forum as a bit of fun when the opportunity presents itself.
When I first started posting here a few years ago, I couldn't understand why people were so interested one minute, and so rude the next, etc. As a novice I'd say something innocent, only to be attacked and shot down by some of the regular, "seasoned" posters. Some of it was quite hurtful. But then you realise than nobody really knows you because you visit this forum disguised as "doghouse", "shirleyfella" or some other equally silly nickname, so their opinions of you are irrelevant. You can't see facial expressions, body language etc., so it is often hard to tell when someone is joking. (I don't personally like using that LOL, LMAO convention, or the :) and :( things !).

I see it as something of a game that takes sudden twists and turns that you have to adapt to, or challenge. What else can it be ? This cannot be a social platform when you cannot see and do not know the people you are talking to.

I don't wish to disclose my identity, but your assessment of me is quite wrong, as I am sure mine is of you. Teachers can retire from 55 onwards. I retired early because I was needed by my family to assist with certain responsibilities. This involves a lot of work on some occasions, and time to spare on others. So when I don't feel like pursuing my serious "real world" interests, I have a look on the Echo forum to see what people are saying. I've found it quite interesting and entertaining lately, at times almost addictive !

All we ARE is what we SAY, and I just feel like being creative sometimes. Why have you got to stand your ground and doggedly take it all so seriously ?

So, there you are, no offence intended. But if you are offended, I really could not care less.
To Rightway and Lone Ranger : The only thing that is sad is that some people don't seem to see this forum as a bit of fun when the opportunity presents itself. When I first started posting here a few years ago, I couldn't understand why people were so interested one minute, and so rude the next, etc. As a novice I'd say something innocent, only to be attacked and shot down by some of the regular, "seasoned" posters. Some of it was quite hurtful. But then you realise than nobody really knows you because you visit this forum disguised as "doghouse", "shirleyfella" or some other equally silly nickname, so their opinions of you are irrelevant. You can't see facial expressions, body language etc., so it is often hard to tell when someone is joking. (I don't personally like using that LOL, LMAO convention, or the :) and :( things !). I see it as something of a game that takes sudden twists and turns that you have to adapt to, or challenge. What else can it be ? This cannot be a social platform when you cannot see and do not know the people you are talking to. I don't wish to disclose my identity, but your assessment of me is quite wrong, as I am sure mine is of you. Teachers can retire from 55 onwards. I retired early because I was needed by my family to assist with certain responsibilities. This involves a lot of work on some occasions, and time to spare on others. So when I don't feel like pursuing my serious "real world" interests, I have a look on the Echo forum to see what people are saying. I've found it quite interesting and entertaining lately, at times almost addictive ! All we ARE is what we SAY, and I just feel like being creative sometimes. Why have you got to stand your ground and doggedly take it all so seriously ? So, there you are, no offence intended. But if you are offended, I really could not care less. BillyTheKid

4:20pm Mon 9 Apr 12

Lone Ranger. says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
To Rightway and Lone Ranger :

The only thing that is sad is that some people don't seem to see this forum as a bit of fun when the opportunity presents itself.
When I first started posting here a few years ago, I couldn't understand why people were so interested one minute, and so rude the next, etc. As a novice I'd say something innocent, only to be attacked and shot down by some of the regular, "seasoned" posters. Some of it was quite hurtful. But then you realise than nobody really knows you because you visit this forum disguised as "doghouse", "shirleyfella" or some other equally silly nickname, so their opinions of you are irrelevant. You can't see facial expressions, body language etc., so it is often hard to tell when someone is joking. (I don't personally like using that LOL, LMAO convention, or the :) and :( things !).

I see it as something of a game that takes sudden twists and turns that you have to adapt to, or challenge. What else can it be ? This cannot be a social platform when you cannot see and do not know the people you are talking to.

I don't wish to disclose my identity, but your assessment of me is quite wrong, as I am sure mine is of you. Teachers can retire from 55 onwards. I retired early because I was needed by my family to assist with certain responsibilities. This involves a lot of work on some occasions, and time to spare on others. So when I don't feel like pursuing my serious "real world" interests, I have a look on the Echo forum to see what people are saying. I've found it quite interesting and entertaining lately, at times almost addictive !

All we ARE is what we SAY, and I just feel like being creative sometimes. Why have you got to stand your ground and doggedly take it all so seriously ?

So, there you are, no offence intended. But if you are offended, I really could not care less.
You final paragraph sums it up quite nicely ....
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: To Rightway and Lone Ranger : The only thing that is sad is that some people don't seem to see this forum as a bit of fun when the opportunity presents itself. When I first started posting here a few years ago, I couldn't understand why people were so interested one minute, and so rude the next, etc. As a novice I'd say something innocent, only to be attacked and shot down by some of the regular, "seasoned" posters. Some of it was quite hurtful. But then you realise than nobody really knows you because you visit this forum disguised as "doghouse", "shirleyfella" or some other equally silly nickname, so their opinions of you are irrelevant. You can't see facial expressions, body language etc., so it is often hard to tell when someone is joking. (I don't personally like using that LOL, LMAO convention, or the :) and :( things !). I see it as something of a game that takes sudden twists and turns that you have to adapt to, or challenge. What else can it be ? This cannot be a social platform when you cannot see and do not know the people you are talking to. I don't wish to disclose my identity, but your assessment of me is quite wrong, as I am sure mine is of you. Teachers can retire from 55 onwards. I retired early because I was needed by my family to assist with certain responsibilities. This involves a lot of work on some occasions, and time to spare on others. So when I don't feel like pursuing my serious "real world" interests, I have a look on the Echo forum to see what people are saying. I've found it quite interesting and entertaining lately, at times almost addictive ! All we ARE is what we SAY, and I just feel like being creative sometimes. Why have you got to stand your ground and doggedly take it all so seriously ? So, there you are, no offence intended. But if you are offended, I really could not care less.[/p][/quote]You final paragraph sums it up quite nicely .... Lone Ranger.

4:41pm Mon 9 Apr 12

geoff51 says...

Billy the Kid, you are a breath of fresh air on this forum, you are a man after my own heart taking the micky out of the boring communist, socialist, cycling nazi, greenie nutters that continually clog up the posts with their mostly illiterate, uneducated opinions.
Please carry on posting against these idiots, I am enjoying every minute of your deflation of these boring prats
Billy the Kid, you are a breath of fresh air on this forum, you are a man after my own heart taking the micky out of the boring communist, socialist, cycling nazi, greenie nutters that continually clog up the posts with their mostly illiterate, uneducated opinions. Please carry on posting against these idiots, I am enjoying every minute of your deflation of these boring prats geoff51

5:30pm Mon 9 Apr 12

Lone Ranger. says...

geoff51 wrote:
Billy the Kid, you are a breath of fresh air on this forum, you are a man after my own heart taking the micky out of the boring communist, socialist, cycling nazi, greenie nutters that continually clog up the posts with their mostly illiterate, uneducated opinions.
Please carry on posting against these idiots, I am enjoying every minute of your deflation of these boring prats
LMAO .......... You are obviously not up to it on your own then geoff51. ........
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: Billy the Kid, you are a breath of fresh air on this forum, you are a man after my own heart taking the micky out of the boring communist, socialist, cycling nazi, greenie nutters that continually clog up the posts with their mostly illiterate, uneducated opinions. Please carry on posting against these idiots, I am enjoying every minute of your deflation of these boring prats[/p][/quote]LMAO .......... You are obviously not up to it on your own then geoff51. ........ Lone Ranger.

5:33pm Mon 9 Apr 12

geoff51 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
Billy the Kid, you are a breath of fresh air on this forum, you are a man after my own heart taking the micky out of the boring communist, socialist, cycling nazi, greenie nutters that continually clog up the posts with their mostly illiterate, uneducated opinions.
Please carry on posting against these idiots, I am enjoying every minute of your deflation of these boring prats
LMAO .......... You are obviously not up to it on your own then geoff51. ........
You have just proved my point with your crass ignorant reply!
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: Billy the Kid, you are a breath of fresh air on this forum, you are a man after my own heart taking the micky out of the boring communist, socialist, cycling nazi, greenie nutters that continually clog up the posts with their mostly illiterate, uneducated opinions. Please carry on posting against these idiots, I am enjoying every minute of your deflation of these boring prats[/p][/quote]LMAO .......... You are obviously not up to it on your own then geoff51. ........[/p][/quote]You have just proved my point with your crass ignorant reply! geoff51

5:53pm Mon 9 Apr 12

Lone Ranger. says...

geoff51 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
Billy the Kid, you are a breath of fresh air on this forum, you are a man after my own heart taking the micky out of the boring communist, socialist, cycling nazi, greenie nutters that continually clog up the posts with their mostly illiterate, uneducated opinions.
Please carry on posting against these idiots, I am enjoying every minute of your deflation of these boring prats
LMAO .......... You are obviously not up to it on your own then geoff51. ........
You have just proved my point with your crass ignorant reply!
Excellent ... thats made my weekend ......
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: Billy the Kid, you are a breath of fresh air on this forum, you are a man after my own heart taking the micky out of the boring communist, socialist, cycling nazi, greenie nutters that continually clog up the posts with their mostly illiterate, uneducated opinions. Please carry on posting against these idiots, I am enjoying every minute of your deflation of these boring prats[/p][/quote]LMAO .......... You are obviously not up to it on your own then geoff51. ........[/p][/quote]You have just proved my point with your crass ignorant reply![/p][/quote]Excellent ... thats made my weekend ...... Lone Ranger.

6:02pm Mon 9 Apr 12

BillyTheKid says...

geoff51.....How do I know you are not playing "good guy bad guy" in tandem with these other two who seem intent on destroying the "BillyTheKid" character ?

I think Lone Ranger has made a fairly reasonable attempt at keeping up with the grown-ups, but has given himself away using the "LMAO" convention that no intelligent adult would use. The purpose of my comedown post was to see what Lone Ranger would say next. If he had been reasonable and said "OK, truce", then that would mean he was an adult. But the fact that he appears to be attacking you now suggests a precoscious child or immature teenager. It would be typical of a child not to want to change the "format" ie he's here to sling shallow insults and that's all. I think he may sit with two or three others at the computer, concocting their "troll" activities here. Or he may work alone with more than one name - he sounds remarkably like "clausentum" . It'll be interesting to see, next week, when school/college resumes if he is absent from this forum during "classtime".

I'm going to blank him, and any new name that follows his pattern.
geoff51.....How do I know you are not playing "good guy bad guy" in tandem with these other two who seem intent on destroying the "BillyTheKid" character ? I think Lone Ranger has made a fairly reasonable attempt at keeping up with the grown-ups, but has given himself away using the "LMAO" convention that no intelligent adult would use. The purpose of my comedown post was to see what Lone Ranger would say next. If he had been reasonable and said "OK, truce", then that would mean he was an adult. But the fact that he appears to be attacking you now suggests a precoscious child or immature teenager. It would be typical of a child not to want to change the "format" ie he's here to sling shallow insults and that's all. I think he may sit with two or three others at the computer, concocting their "troll" activities here. Or he may work alone with more than one name - he sounds remarkably like "clausentum" . It'll be interesting to see, next week, when school/college resumes if he is absent from this forum during "classtime". I'm going to blank him, and any new name that follows his pattern. BillyTheKid

6:09pm Mon 9 Apr 12

BillyTheKid says...

Yes, the last Ranger comment is definitely childlike. They can't keep the role going for long because they lack experience, and above all, wisdom.

Never seen the geoff51 character before, so I think you are with Ranger, trying to take this to a different level.

Whatever.
Yes, the last Ranger comment is definitely childlike. They can't keep the role going for long because they lack experience, and above all, wisdom. Never seen the geoff51 character before, so I think you are with Ranger, trying to take this to a different level. Whatever. BillyTheKid

7:05pm Mon 9 Apr 12

Hardy Lass says...

Be wary of what you wish for!
Be wary of what you wish for! Hardy Lass

7:30pm Mon 9 Apr 12

geoff51 says...

Billy I have posted many times before, mostly bringing down idiots like Southy, Downfader and Lone ranger and can assure you I am genuine in my support for you and your efforts to ridicule these Trolls
Billy I have posted many times before, mostly bringing down idiots like Southy, Downfader and Lone ranger and can assure you I am genuine in my support for you and your efforts to ridicule these Trolls geoff51

8:56pm Mon 9 Apr 12

BillyTheKid says...

geoff51 wrote:
Billy I have posted many times before, mostly bringing down idiots like Southy, Downfader and Lone ranger and can assure you I am genuine in my support for you and your efforts to ridicule these Trolls
OK. I've looked back and read some of your previous posts, and seen you having a go at southy, so I apologise for linking you with Ranger's nonsense.

I have taken things seriously here in the past, got involved in what I thought was a genuine discussion, only to discover I'm being strung along for someone else's amusement. A wind up, and I've fallen for it so often. Now I just try to entertain and amuse the genuine posters, and, like you, have a go at the trolls. But I do find it annoying having to wonder who's a troll trying to sound genuine, and who's genuine but sounding like a troll ! There is also the worry that the physically challenged stuck at home might be using the site to try and stay in contact with other people, and they might have learning difficulties that create a false impression. It might take them ages to compose a comment, only to have it savaged by someone here. That's the problem with anonymity.

I only attack those who attack me first, then it's bang bang bang all the way. But is the attack genuine, or just a set-up ? Are they just playing me ?

Who knows. This open, unmonitored forum can only be for a laugh, and that's all.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: Billy I have posted many times before, mostly bringing down idiots like Southy, Downfader and Lone ranger and can assure you I am genuine in my support for you and your efforts to ridicule these Trolls[/p][/quote]OK. I've looked back and read some of your previous posts, and seen you having a go at southy, so I apologise for linking you with Ranger's nonsense. I have taken things seriously here in the past, got involved in what I thought was a genuine discussion, only to discover I'm being strung along for someone else's amusement. A wind up, and I've fallen for it so often. Now I just try to entertain and amuse the genuine posters, and, like you, have a go at the trolls. But I do find it annoying having to wonder who's a troll trying to sound genuine, and who's genuine but sounding like a troll ! There is also the worry that the physically challenged stuck at home might be using the site to try and stay in contact with other people, and they might have learning difficulties that create a false impression. It might take them ages to compose a comment, only to have it savaged by someone here. That's the problem with anonymity. I only attack those who attack me first, then it's bang bang bang all the way. But is the attack genuine, or just a set-up ? Are they just playing me ? Who knows. This open, unmonitored forum can only be for a laugh, and that's all. BillyTheKid

9:09pm Mon 9 Apr 12

geoff51 says...

Cheers Buddy I am glad we cleared that up, Watch out Trolls we are on your case.
Cheers Buddy I am glad we cleared that up, Watch out Trolls we are on your case. geoff51

2:52pm Wed 11 Apr 12

rightway says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
To Rightway and Lone Ranger : The only thing that is sad is that some people don't seem to see this forum as a bit of fun when the opportunity presents itself. When I first started posting here a few years ago, I couldn't understand why people were so interested one minute, and so rude the next, etc. As a novice I'd say something innocent, only to be attacked and shot down by some of the regular, "seasoned" posters. Some of it was quite hurtful. But then you realise than nobody really knows you because you visit this forum disguised as "doghouse", "shirleyfella" or some other equally silly nickname, so their opinions of you are irrelevant. You can't see facial expressions, body language etc., so it is often hard to tell when someone is joking. (I don't personally like using that LOL, LMAO convention, or the :) and :( things !). I see it as something of a game that takes sudden twists and turns that you have to adapt to, or challenge. What else can it be ? This cannot be a social platform when you cannot see and do not know the people you are talking to. I don't wish to disclose my identity, but your assessment of me is quite wrong, as I am sure mine is of you. Teachers can retire from 55 onwards. I retired early because I was needed by my family to assist with certain responsibilities. This involves a lot of work on some occasions, and time to spare on others. So when I don't feel like pursuing my serious "real world" interests, I have a look on the Echo forum to see what people are saying. I've found it quite interesting and entertaining lately, at times almost addictive ! All we ARE is what we SAY, and I just feel like being creative sometimes. Why have you got to stand your ground and doggedly take it all so seriously ? So, there you are, no offence intended. But if you are offended, I really could not care less.
BillyTheKid. It's obvious from your long-winded reply that you are one of those people who only find things funny when you are the one doing the winding up and taking the p1ss.
I can see that you are trying to be light hearted and funny but it's not working, you just sound nasty.
So if you can't take it, stop trying to give it.
























































































For future reference, if you can’t take it, don’t give it.
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: To Rightway and Lone Ranger : The only thing that is sad is that some people don't seem to see this forum as a bit of fun when the opportunity presents itself. When I first started posting here a few years ago, I couldn't understand why people were so interested one minute, and so rude the next, etc. As a novice I'd say something innocent, only to be attacked and shot down by some of the regular, "seasoned" posters. Some of it was quite hurtful. But then you realise than nobody really knows you because you visit this forum disguised as "doghouse", "shirleyfella" or some other equally silly nickname, so their opinions of you are irrelevant. You can't see facial expressions, body language etc., so it is often hard to tell when someone is joking. (I don't personally like using that LOL, LMAO convention, or the :) and :( things !). I see it as something of a game that takes sudden twists and turns that you have to adapt to, or challenge. What else can it be ? This cannot be a social platform when you cannot see and do not know the people you are talking to. I don't wish to disclose my identity, but your assessment of me is quite wrong, as I am sure mine is of you. Teachers can retire from 55 onwards. I retired early because I was needed by my family to assist with certain responsibilities. This involves a lot of work on some occasions, and time to spare on others. So when I don't feel like pursuing my serious "real world" interests, I have a look on the Echo forum to see what people are saying. I've found it quite interesting and entertaining lately, at times almost addictive ! All we ARE is what we SAY, and I just feel like being creative sometimes. Why have you got to stand your ground and doggedly take it all so seriously ? So, there you are, no offence intended. But if you are offended, I really could not care less.[/p][/quote]BillyTheKid. It's obvious from your long-winded reply that you are one of those people who only find things funny when you are the one doing the winding up and taking the p1ss. I can see that you are trying to be light hearted and funny but it's not working, you just sound nasty. So if you can't take it, stop trying to give it. For future reference, if you can’t take it, don’t give it. rightway

5:27pm Wed 11 Apr 12

BillyTheKid says...

rightway wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
To Rightway and Lone Ranger : The only thing that is sad is that some people don't seem to see this forum as a bit of fun when the opportunity presents itself. When I first started posting here a few years ago, I couldn't understand why people were so interested one minute, and so rude the next, etc. As a novice I'd say something innocent, only to be attacked and shot down by some of the regular, "seasoned" posters. Some of it was quite hurtful. But then you realise than nobody really knows you because you visit this forum disguised as "doghouse", "shirleyfella" or some other equally silly nickname, so their opinions of you are irrelevant. You can't see facial expressions, body language etc., so it is often hard to tell when someone is joking. (I don't personally like using that LOL, LMAO convention, or the :) and :( things !). I see it as something of a game that takes sudden twists and turns that you have to adapt to, or challenge. What else can it be ? This cannot be a social platform when you cannot see and do not know the people you are talking to. I don't wish to disclose my identity, but your assessment of me is quite wrong, as I am sure mine is of you. Teachers can retire from 55 onwards. I retired early because I was needed by my family to assist with certain responsibilities. This involves a lot of work on some occasions, and time to spare on others. So when I don't feel like pursuing my serious "real world" interests, I have a look on the Echo forum to see what people are saying. I've found it quite interesting and entertaining lately, at times almost addictive ! All we ARE is what we SAY, and I just feel like being creative sometimes. Why have you got to stand your ground and doggedly take it all so seriously ? So, there you are, no offence intended. But if you are offended, I really could not care less.
BillyTheKid. It's obvious from your long-winded reply that you are one of those people who only find things funny when you are the one doing the winding up and taking the p1ss.
I can see that you are trying to be light hearted and funny but it's not working, you just sound nasty.
So if you can't take it, stop trying to give it.
























































































For future reference, if you can’t take it, don’t give it.
Patronizing g*t ! rightway ? Nearly got your appropriate nickname correct : should be "rightw*nker".

You and Lone Ranger are just dull, pain-in-the-neck, gigantic yawn-inspiring posters who get jealous everytime somebody (not just me) makes more interesting, entertaining posts than you do. So you victimise them with negative remarks, and when they hit back, you maintain a persistent attack, usually telling them they brought it on themselves !

What mean-spirited, disingenuous t*ssers you both are !

Now most people reading that will find it hilarious ! Certainly not nasty !

Just to step to one side for a moment, BillyTheKid is a fictional role I have created who is a mixture of me, George Carlin, Eddie Murphy, Eddie Izzard, and Denis Leary. These are not comics in the “tell us a joke”sense, but social commentators with a knife-edge sense of irony. Possibly you know that.
If people want inane, banal, coma-inducing conversation they go to a social club or invite their relatives over. Or read posts by Lone Ranger, rightway, or the better-than-a-double
-dose-of-morphine Downfader ! Sorry – couldn’t resist that ! You expect fun and entertainment from an unmonitored, anonymous forum where no holds are barred.
I will talk seriously and sensibly to quite a few people here, but never to you two, who just lie pathetically in wait, ready to ambush. You are the perfect embodiment, the true definition by demonstration, of classic trolls.
[quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: To Rightway and Lone Ranger : The only thing that is sad is that some people don't seem to see this forum as a bit of fun when the opportunity presents itself. When I first started posting here a few years ago, I couldn't understand why people were so interested one minute, and so rude the next, etc. As a novice I'd say something innocent, only to be attacked and shot down by some of the regular, "seasoned" posters. Some of it was quite hurtful. But then you realise than nobody really knows you because you visit this forum disguised as "doghouse", "shirleyfella" or some other equally silly nickname, so their opinions of you are irrelevant. You can't see facial expressions, body language etc., so it is often hard to tell when someone is joking. (I don't personally like using that LOL, LMAO convention, or the :) and :( things !). I see it as something of a game that takes sudden twists and turns that you have to adapt to, or challenge. What else can it be ? This cannot be a social platform when you cannot see and do not know the people you are talking to. I don't wish to disclose my identity, but your assessment of me is quite wrong, as I am sure mine is of you. Teachers can retire from 55 onwards. I retired early because I was needed by my family to assist with certain responsibilities. This involves a lot of work on some occasions, and time to spare on others. So when I don't feel like pursuing my serious "real world" interests, I have a look on the Echo forum to see what people are saying. I've found it quite interesting and entertaining lately, at times almost addictive ! All we ARE is what we SAY, and I just feel like being creative sometimes. Why have you got to stand your ground and doggedly take it all so seriously ? So, there you are, no offence intended. But if you are offended, I really could not care less.[/p][/quote]BillyTheKid. It's obvious from your long-winded reply that you are one of those people who only find things funny when you are the one doing the winding up and taking the p1ss. I can see that you are trying to be light hearted and funny but it's not working, you just sound nasty. So if you can't take it, stop trying to give it. For future reference, if you can’t take it, don’t give it.[/p][/quote]Patronizing g*t ! rightway ? Nearly got your appropriate nickname correct : should be "rightw*nker". You and Lone Ranger are just dull, pain-in-the-neck, gigantic yawn-inspiring posters who get jealous everytime somebody (not just me) makes more interesting, entertaining posts than you do. So you victimise them with negative remarks, and when they hit back, you maintain a persistent attack, usually telling them they brought it on themselves ! What mean-spirited, disingenuous t*ssers you both are ! Now most people reading that will find it hilarious ! Certainly not nasty ! Just to step to one side for a moment, BillyTheKid is a fictional role I have created who is a mixture of me, George Carlin, Eddie Murphy, Eddie Izzard, and Denis Leary. These are not comics in the “tell us a joke”sense, but social commentators with a knife-edge sense of irony. Possibly you know that. If people want inane, banal, coma-inducing conversation they go to a social club or invite their relatives over. Or read posts by Lone Ranger, rightway, or the better-than-a-double -dose-of-morphine Downfader ! Sorry – couldn’t resist that ! You expect fun and entertainment from an unmonitored, anonymous forum where no holds are barred. I will talk seriously and sensibly to quite a few people here, but never to you two, who just lie pathetically in wait, ready to ambush. You are the perfect embodiment, the true definition by demonstration, of classic trolls. BillyTheKid

7:40pm Wed 11 Apr 12

rightway says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
rightway wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote: To Rightway and Lone Ranger : The only thing that is sad is that some people don't seem to see this forum as a bit of fun when the opportunity presents itself. When I first started posting here a few years ago, I couldn't understand why people were so interested one minute, and so rude the next, etc. As a novice I'd say something innocent, only to be attacked and shot down by some of the regular, "seasoned" posters. Some of it was quite hurtful. But then you realise than nobody really knows you because you visit this forum disguised as "doghouse", "shirleyfella" or some other equally silly nickname, so their opinions of you are irrelevant. You can't see facial expressions, body language etc., so it is often hard to tell when someone is joking. (I don't personally like using that LOL, LMAO convention, or the :) and :( things !). I see it as something of a game that takes sudden twists and turns that you have to adapt to, or challenge. What else can it be ? This cannot be a social platform when you cannot see and do not know the people you are talking to. I don't wish to disclose my identity, but your assessment of me is quite wrong, as I am sure mine is of you. Teachers can retire from 55 onwards. I retired early because I was needed by my family to assist with certain responsibilities. This involves a lot of work on some occasions, and time to spare on others. So when I don't feel like pursuing my serious "real world" interests, I have a look on the Echo forum to see what people are saying. I've found it quite interesting and entertaining lately, at times almost addictive ! All we ARE is what we SAY, and I just feel like being creative sometimes. Why have you got to stand your ground and doggedly take it all so seriously ? So, there you are, no offence intended. But if you are offended, I really could not care less.
BillyTheKid. It's obvious from your long-winded reply that you are one of those people who only find things funny when you are the one doing the winding up and taking the p1ss. I can see that you are trying to be light hearted and funny but it's not working, you just sound nasty. So if you can't take it, stop trying to give it. For future reference, if you can’t take it, don’t give it.
Patronizing g*t ! rightway ? Nearly got your appropriate nickname correct : should be "rightw*nker". You and Lone Ranger are just dull, pain-in-the-neck, gigantic yawn-inspiring posters who get jealous everytime somebody (not just me) makes more interesting, entertaining posts than you do. So you victimise them with negative remarks, and when they hit back, you maintain a persistent attack, usually telling them they brought it on themselves ! What mean-spirited, disingenuous t*ssers you both are ! Now most people reading that will find it hilarious ! Certainly not nasty ! Just to step to one side for a moment, BillyTheKid is a fictional role I have created who is a mixture of me, George Carlin, Eddie Murphy, Eddie Izzard, and Denis Leary. These are not comics in the “tell us a joke”sense, but social commentators with a knife-edge sense of irony. Possibly you know that. If people want inane, banal, coma-inducing conversation they go to a social club or invite their relatives over. Or read posts by Lone Ranger, rightway, or the better-than-a-double -dose-of-morphine Downfader ! Sorry – couldn’t resist that ! You expect fun and entertainment from an unmonitored, anonymous forum where no holds are barred. I will talk seriously and sensibly to quite a few people here, but never to you two, who just lie pathetically in wait, ready to ambush. You are the perfect embodiment, the true definition by demonstration, of classic trolls.
So you are a mixture of George Carlin,Eddie Murphy,Eddie Izzard and Denis Leary, with a knife edge sense of irony. I'm sorry to be the one who has to break the news to you,but here goes, NO YOUR NOT !!!!
You are delusional, someone who sulks when told, you’re just not funny.
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: To Rightway and Lone Ranger : The only thing that is sad is that some people don't seem to see this forum as a bit of fun when the opportunity presents itself. When I first started posting here a few years ago, I couldn't understand why people were so interested one minute, and so rude the next, etc. As a novice I'd say something innocent, only to be attacked and shot down by some of the regular, "seasoned" posters. Some of it was quite hurtful. But then you realise than nobody really knows you because you visit this forum disguised as "doghouse", "shirleyfella" or some other equally silly nickname, so their opinions of you are irrelevant. You can't see facial expressions, body language etc., so it is often hard to tell when someone is joking. (I don't personally like using that LOL, LMAO convention, or the :) and :( things !). I see it as something of a game that takes sudden twists and turns that you have to adapt to, or challenge. What else can it be ? This cannot be a social platform when you cannot see and do not know the people you are talking to. I don't wish to disclose my identity, but your assessment of me is quite wrong, as I am sure mine is of you. Teachers can retire from 55 onwards. I retired early because I was needed by my family to assist with certain responsibilities. This involves a lot of work on some occasions, and time to spare on others. So when I don't feel like pursuing my serious "real world" interests, I have a look on the Echo forum to see what people are saying. I've found it quite interesting and entertaining lately, at times almost addictive ! All we ARE is what we SAY, and I just feel like being creative sometimes. Why have you got to stand your ground and doggedly take it all so seriously ? So, there you are, no offence intended. But if you are offended, I really could not care less.[/p][/quote]BillyTheKid. It's obvious from your long-winded reply that you are one of those people who only find things funny when you are the one doing the winding up and taking the p1ss. I can see that you are trying to be light hearted and funny but it's not working, you just sound nasty. So if you can't take it, stop trying to give it. For future reference, if you can’t take it, don’t give it.[/p][/quote]Patronizing g*t ! rightway ? Nearly got your appropriate nickname correct : should be "rightw*nker". You and Lone Ranger are just dull, pain-in-the-neck, gigantic yawn-inspiring posters who get jealous everytime somebody (not just me) makes more interesting, entertaining posts than you do. So you victimise them with negative remarks, and when they hit back, you maintain a persistent attack, usually telling them they brought it on themselves ! What mean-spirited, disingenuous t*ssers you both are ! Now most people reading that will find it hilarious ! Certainly not nasty ! Just to step to one side for a moment, BillyTheKid is a fictional role I have created who is a mixture of me, George Carlin, Eddie Murphy, Eddie Izzard, and Denis Leary. These are not comics in the “tell us a joke”sense, but social commentators with a knife-edge sense of irony. Possibly you know that. If people want inane, banal, coma-inducing conversation they go to a social club or invite their relatives over. Or read posts by Lone Ranger, rightway, or the better-than-a-double -dose-of-morphine Downfader ! Sorry – couldn’t resist that ! You expect fun and entertainment from an unmonitored, anonymous forum where no holds are barred. I will talk seriously and sensibly to quite a few people here, but never to you two, who just lie pathetically in wait, ready to ambush. You are the perfect embodiment, the true definition by demonstration, of classic trolls.[/p][/quote]So you are a mixture of George Carlin,Eddie Murphy,Eddie Izzard and Denis Leary, with a knife edge sense of irony. I'm sorry to be the one who has to break the news to you,but here goes, NO YOUR NOT !!!! You are delusional, someone who sulks when told, you’re just not funny. rightway

9:09pm Wed 11 Apr 12

loosehead says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
Billy I have posted many times before, mostly bringing down idiots like Southy, Downfader and Lone ranger and can assure you I am genuine in my support for you and your efforts to ridicule these Trolls
OK. I've looked back and read some of your previous posts, and seen you having a go at southy, so I apologise for linking you with Ranger's nonsense.

I have taken things seriously here in the past, got involved in what I thought was a genuine discussion, only to discover I'm being strung along for someone else's amusement. A wind up, and I've fallen for it so often. Now I just try to entertain and amuse the genuine posters, and, like you, have a go at the trolls. But I do find it annoying having to wonder who's a troll trying to sound genuine, and who's genuine but sounding like a troll ! There is also the worry that the physically challenged stuck at home might be using the site to try and stay in contact with other people, and they might have learning difficulties that create a false impression. It might take them ages to compose a comment, only to have it savaged by someone here. That's the problem with anonymity.

I only attack those who attack me first, then it's bang bang bang all the way. But is the attack genuine, or just a set-up ? Are they just playing me ?

Who knows. This open, unmonitored forum can only be for a laugh, and that's all.
Billy I come on here to have a debate about the subject/article.
You can put an argument forward that is so obviously true yet certain people go quite wait for it to quieten down & then call you a liar.
they also keep on saying the same untruth even if you prove them wrong.
then they resort to name calling & making out your totally thick.
I honestly thought you were one of these but I've realised I was wrong.
if anyone can prove their case & that I'm wrong I will apologise & accept their point view/argument as being the truth not mine.
I thought expected others to be able to do this so after being called a c=ck & a Moron & numerous names I some time resort to their levels which kinda makes me look like a moron ( name I'm called a lot on here) I hope we can have discussions/debates on here with no name calling have fun Loosehead( Rugby position)
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: Billy I have posted many times before, mostly bringing down idiots like Southy, Downfader and Lone ranger and can assure you I am genuine in my support for you and your efforts to ridicule these Trolls[/p][/quote]OK. I've looked back and read some of your previous posts, and seen you having a go at southy, so I apologise for linking you with Ranger's nonsense. I have taken things seriously here in the past, got involved in what I thought was a genuine discussion, only to discover I'm being strung along for someone else's amusement. A wind up, and I've fallen for it so often. Now I just try to entertain and amuse the genuine posters, and, like you, have a go at the trolls. But I do find it annoying having to wonder who's a troll trying to sound genuine, and who's genuine but sounding like a troll ! There is also the worry that the physically challenged stuck at home might be using the site to try and stay in contact with other people, and they might have learning difficulties that create a false impression. It might take them ages to compose a comment, only to have it savaged by someone here. That's the problem with anonymity. I only attack those who attack me first, then it's bang bang bang all the way. But is the attack genuine, or just a set-up ? Are they just playing me ? Who knows. This open, unmonitored forum can only be for a laugh, and that's all.[/p][/quote]Billy I come on here to have a debate about the subject/article. You can put an argument forward that is so obviously true yet certain people go quite wait for it to quieten down & then call you a liar. they also keep on saying the same untruth even if you prove them wrong. then they resort to name calling & making out your totally thick. I honestly thought you were one of these but I've realised I was wrong. if anyone can prove their case & that I'm wrong I will apologise & accept their point view/argument as being the truth not mine. I thought expected others to be able to do this so after being called a c=ck & a Moron & numerous names I some time resort to their levels which kinda makes me look like a moron ( name I'm called a lot on here) I hope we can have discussions/debates on here with no name calling have fun Loosehead( Rugby position) loosehead

10:20pm Wed 11 Apr 12

BillyTheKid says...

rightway wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
rightway wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote: To Rightway and Lone Ranger : The only thing that is sad is that some people don't seem to see this forum as a bit of fun when the opportunity presents itself. When I first started posting here a few years ago, I couldn't understand why people were so interested one minute, and so rude the next, etc. As a novice I'd say something innocent, only to be attacked and shot down by some of the regular, "seasoned" posters. Some of it was quite hurtful. But then you realise than nobody really knows you because you visit this forum disguised as "doghouse", "shirleyfella" or some other equally silly nickname, so their opinions of you are irrelevant. You can't see facial expressions, body language etc., so it is often hard to tell when someone is joking. (I don't personally like using that LOL, LMAO convention, or the :) and :( things !). I see it as something of a game that takes sudden twists and turns that you have to adapt to, or challenge. What else can it be ? This cannot be a social platform when you cannot see and do not know the people you are talking to. I don't wish to disclose my identity, but your assessment of me is quite wrong, as I am sure mine is of you. Teachers can retire from 55 onwards. I retired early because I was needed by my family to assist with certain responsibilities. This involves a lot of work on some occasions, and time to spare on others. So when I don't feel like pursuing my serious "real world" interests, I have a look on the Echo forum to see what people are saying. I've found it quite interesting and entertaining lately, at times almost addictive ! All we ARE is what we SAY, and I just feel like being creative sometimes. Why have you got to stand your ground and doggedly take it all so seriously ? So, there you are, no offence intended. But if you are offended, I really could not care less.
BillyTheKid. It's obvious from your long-winded reply that you are one of those people who only find things funny when you are the one doing the winding up and taking the p1ss. I can see that you are trying to be light hearted and funny but it's not working, you just sound nasty. So if you can't take it, stop trying to give it. For future reference, if you can’t take it, don’t give it.
Patronizing g*t ! rightway ? Nearly got your appropriate nickname correct : should be "rightw*nker". You and Lone Ranger are just dull, pain-in-the-neck, gigantic yawn-inspiring posters who get jealous everytime somebody (not just me) makes more interesting, entertaining posts than you do. So you victimise them with negative remarks, and when they hit back, you maintain a persistent attack, usually telling them they brought it on themselves ! What mean-spirited, disingenuous t*ssers you both are ! Now most people reading that will find it hilarious ! Certainly not nasty ! Just to step to one side for a moment, BillyTheKid is a fictional role I have created who is a mixture of me, George Carlin, Eddie Murphy, Eddie Izzard, and Denis Leary. These are not comics in the “tell us a joke”sense, but social commentators with a knife-edge sense of irony. Possibly you know that. If people want inane, banal, coma-inducing conversation they go to a social club or invite their relatives over. Or read posts by Lone Ranger, rightway, or the better-than-a-double -dose-of-morphine Downfader ! Sorry – couldn’t resist that ! You expect fun and entertainment from an unmonitored, anonymous forum where no holds are barred. I will talk seriously and sensibly to quite a few people here, but never to you two, who just lie pathetically in wait, ready to ambush. You are the perfect embodiment, the true definition by demonstration, of classic trolls.
So you are a mixture of George Carlin,Eddie Murphy,Eddie Izzard and Denis Leary, with a knife edge sense of irony. I'm sorry to be the one who has to break the news to you,but here goes, NO YOUR NOT !!!!
You are delusional, someone who sulks when told, you’re just not funny.
You are such a silly, rightway. It is BillyTheKid who is the mixture, not me, personally. Like the original "Kid" he is vunerable and inclined to lash out when cornered. I quite like him because he wears his heart on his sleeve, and he is predictable to some extent, so you always know where you stand with him.

But it worries me that you think he is a "real person". You are shouting at the ventriloquists dummy, like a child at a pantomime. You are booing the "bad guy" each time he steps on stage. You believing the fantasy.

Perhaps you are not able to cope with all the excitement of the Echo forum, and get a little confused. I'll refrain from giving you Billy's take on this as it might get him kicked off the site !
[quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: To Rightway and Lone Ranger : The only thing that is sad is that some people don't seem to see this forum as a bit of fun when the opportunity presents itself. When I first started posting here a few years ago, I couldn't understand why people were so interested one minute, and so rude the next, etc. As a novice I'd say something innocent, only to be attacked and shot down by some of the regular, "seasoned" posters. Some of it was quite hurtful. But then you realise than nobody really knows you because you visit this forum disguised as "doghouse", "shirleyfella" or some other equally silly nickname, so their opinions of you are irrelevant. You can't see facial expressions, body language etc., so it is often hard to tell when someone is joking. (I don't personally like using that LOL, LMAO convention, or the :) and :( things !). I see it as something of a game that takes sudden twists and turns that you have to adapt to, or challenge. What else can it be ? This cannot be a social platform when you cannot see and do not know the people you are talking to. I don't wish to disclose my identity, but your assessment of me is quite wrong, as I am sure mine is of you. Teachers can retire from 55 onwards. I retired early because I was needed by my family to assist with certain responsibilities. This involves a lot of work on some occasions, and time to spare on others. So when I don't feel like pursuing my serious "real world" interests, I have a look on the Echo forum to see what people are saying. I've found it quite interesting and entertaining lately, at times almost addictive ! All we ARE is what we SAY, and I just feel like being creative sometimes. Why have you got to stand your ground and doggedly take it all so seriously ? So, there you are, no offence intended. But if you are offended, I really could not care less.[/p][/quote]BillyTheKid. It's obvious from your long-winded reply that you are one of those people who only find things funny when you are the one doing the winding up and taking the p1ss. I can see that you are trying to be light hearted and funny but it's not working, you just sound nasty. So if you can't take it, stop trying to give it. For future reference, if you can’t take it, don’t give it.[/p][/quote]Patronizing g*t ! rightway ? Nearly got your appropriate nickname correct : should be "rightw*nker". You and Lone Ranger are just dull, pain-in-the-neck, gigantic yawn-inspiring posters who get jealous everytime somebody (not just me) makes more interesting, entertaining posts than you do. So you victimise them with negative remarks, and when they hit back, you maintain a persistent attack, usually telling them they brought it on themselves ! What mean-spirited, disingenuous t*ssers you both are ! Now most people reading that will find it hilarious ! Certainly not nasty ! Just to step to one side for a moment, BillyTheKid is a fictional role I have created who is a mixture of me, George Carlin, Eddie Murphy, Eddie Izzard, and Denis Leary. These are not comics in the “tell us a joke”sense, but social commentators with a knife-edge sense of irony. Possibly you know that. If people want inane, banal, coma-inducing conversation they go to a social club or invite their relatives over. Or read posts by Lone Ranger, rightway, or the better-than-a-double -dose-of-morphine Downfader ! Sorry – couldn’t resist that ! You expect fun and entertainment from an unmonitored, anonymous forum where no holds are barred. I will talk seriously and sensibly to quite a few people here, but never to you two, who just lie pathetically in wait, ready to ambush. You are the perfect embodiment, the true definition by demonstration, of classic trolls.[/p][/quote]So you are a mixture of George Carlin,Eddie Murphy,Eddie Izzard and Denis Leary, with a knife edge sense of irony. I'm sorry to be the one who has to break the news to you,but here goes, NO YOUR NOT !!!! You are delusional, someone who sulks when told, you’re just not funny.[/p][/quote]You are such a silly, rightway. It is BillyTheKid who is the mixture, not me, personally. Like the original "Kid" he is vunerable and inclined to lash out when cornered. I quite like him because he wears his heart on his sleeve, and he is predictable to some extent, so you always know where you stand with him. But it worries me that you think he is a "real person". You are shouting at the ventriloquists dummy, like a child at a pantomime. You are booing the "bad guy" each time he steps on stage. You believing the fantasy. Perhaps you are not able to cope with all the excitement of the Echo forum, and get a little confused. I'll refrain from giving you Billy's take on this as it might get him kicked off the site ! BillyTheKid

10:41am Thu 12 Apr 12

rightway says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
rightway wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote:
rightway wrote:
BillyTheKid wrote: To Rightway and Lone Ranger : The only thing that is sad is that some people don't seem to see this forum as a bit of fun when the opportunity presents itself. When I first started posting here a few years ago, I couldn't understand why people were so interested one minute, and so rude the next, etc. As a novice I'd say something innocent, only to be attacked and shot down by some of the regular, "seasoned" posters. Some of it was quite hurtful. But then you realise than nobody really knows you because you visit this forum disguised as "doghouse", "shirleyfella" or some other equally silly nickname, so their opinions of you are irrelevant. You can't see facial expressions, body language etc., so it is often hard to tell when someone is joking. (I don't personally like using that LOL, LMAO convention, or the :) and :( things !). I see it as something of a game that takes sudden twists and turns that you have to adapt to, or challenge. What else can it be ? This cannot be a social platform when you cannot see and do not know the people you are talking to. I don't wish to disclose my identity, but your assessment of me is quite wrong, as I am sure mine is of you. Teachers can retire from 55 onwards. I retired early because I was needed by my family to assist with certain responsibilities. This involves a lot of work on some occasions, and time to spare on others. So when I don't feel like pursuing my serious "real world" interests, I have a look on the Echo forum to see what people are saying. I've found it quite interesting and entertaining lately, at times almost addictive ! All we ARE is what we SAY, and I just feel like being creative sometimes. Why have you got to stand your ground and doggedly take it all so seriously ? So, there you are, no offence intended. But if you are offended, I really could not care less.
BillyTheKid. It's obvious from your long-winded reply that you are one of those people who only find things funny when you are the one doing the winding up and taking the p1ss. I can see that you are trying to be light hearted and funny but it's not working, you just sound nasty. So if you can't take it, stop trying to give it. For future reference, if you can’t take it, don’t give it.
Patronizing g*t ! rightway ? Nearly got your appropriate nickname correct : should be "rightw*nker". You and Lone Ranger are just dull, pain-in-the-neck, gigantic yawn-inspiring posters who get jealous everytime somebody (not just me) makes more interesting, entertaining posts than you do. So you victimise them with negative remarks, and when they hit back, you maintain a persistent attack, usually telling them they brought it on themselves ! What mean-spirited, disingenuous t*ssers you both are ! Now most people reading that will find it hilarious ! Certainly not nasty ! Just to step to one side for a moment, BillyTheKid is a fictional role I have created who is a mixture of me, George Carlin, Eddie Murphy, Eddie Izzard, and Denis Leary. These are not comics in the “tell us a joke”sense, but social commentators with a knife-edge sense of irony. Possibly you know that. If people want inane, banal, coma-inducing conversation they go to a social club or invite their relatives over. Or read posts by Lone Ranger, rightway, or the better-than-a-double -dose-of-morphine Downfader ! Sorry – couldn’t resist that ! You expect fun and entertainment from an unmonitored, anonymous forum where no holds are barred. I will talk seriously and sensibly to quite a few people here, but never to you two, who just lie pathetically in wait, ready to ambush. You are the perfect embodiment, the true definition by demonstration, of classic trolls.
So you are a mixture of George Carlin,Eddie Murphy,Eddie Izzard and Denis Leary, with a knife edge sense of irony. I'm sorry to be the one who has to break the news to you,but here goes, NO YOUR NOT !!!! You are delusional, someone who sulks when told, you’re just not funny.
You are such a silly, rightway. It is BillyTheKid who is the mixture, not me, personally. Like the original "Kid" he is vunerable and inclined to lash out when cornered. I quite like him because he wears his heart on his sleeve, and he is predictable to some extent, so you always know where you stand with him. But it worries me that you think he is a "real person". You are shouting at the ventriloquists dummy, like a child at a pantomime. You are booing the "bad guy" each time he steps on stage. You believing the fantasy. Perhaps you are not able to cope with all the excitement of the Echo forum, and get a little confused. I'll refrain from giving you Billy's take on this as it might get him kicked off the site !
BORING
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: To Rightway and Lone Ranger : The only thing that is sad is that some people don't seem to see this forum as a bit of fun when the opportunity presents itself. When I first started posting here a few years ago, I couldn't understand why people were so interested one minute, and so rude the next, etc. As a novice I'd say something innocent, only to be attacked and shot down by some of the regular, "seasoned" posters. Some of it was quite hurtful. But then you realise than nobody really knows you because you visit this forum disguised as "doghouse", "shirleyfella" or some other equally silly nickname, so their opinions of you are irrelevant. You can't see facial expressions, body language etc., so it is often hard to tell when someone is joking. (I don't personally like using that LOL, LMAO convention, or the :) and :( things !). I see it as something of a game that takes sudden twists and turns that you have to adapt to, or challenge. What else can it be ? This cannot be a social platform when you cannot see and do not know the people you are talking to. I don't wish to disclose my identity, but your assessment of me is quite wrong, as I am sure mine is of you. Teachers can retire from 55 onwards. I retired early because I was needed by my family to assist with certain responsibilities. This involves a lot of work on some occasions, and time to spare on others. So when I don't feel like pursuing my serious "real world" interests, I have a look on the Echo forum to see what people are saying. I've found it quite interesting and entertaining lately, at times almost addictive ! All we ARE is what we SAY, and I just feel like being creative sometimes. Why have you got to stand your ground and doggedly take it all so seriously ? So, there you are, no offence intended. But if you are offended, I really could not care less.[/p][/quote]BillyTheKid. It's obvious from your long-winded reply that you are one of those people who only find things funny when you are the one doing the winding up and taking the p1ss. I can see that you are trying to be light hearted and funny but it's not working, you just sound nasty. So if you can't take it, stop trying to give it. For future reference, if you can’t take it, don’t give it.[/p][/quote]Patronizing g*t ! rightway ? Nearly got your appropriate nickname correct : should be "rightw*nker". You and Lone Ranger are just dull, pain-in-the-neck, gigantic yawn-inspiring posters who get jealous everytime somebody (not just me) makes more interesting, entertaining posts than you do. So you victimise them with negative remarks, and when they hit back, you maintain a persistent attack, usually telling them they brought it on themselves ! What mean-spirited, disingenuous t*ssers you both are ! Now most people reading that will find it hilarious ! Certainly not nasty ! Just to step to one side for a moment, BillyTheKid is a fictional role I have created who is a mixture of me, George Carlin, Eddie Murphy, Eddie Izzard, and Denis Leary. These are not comics in the “tell us a joke”sense, but social commentators with a knife-edge sense of irony. Possibly you know that. If people want inane, banal, coma-inducing conversation they go to a social club or invite their relatives over. Or read posts by Lone Ranger, rightway, or the better-than-a-double -dose-of-morphine Downfader ! Sorry – couldn’t resist that ! You expect fun and entertainment from an unmonitored, anonymous forum where no holds are barred. I will talk seriously and sensibly to quite a few people here, but never to you two, who just lie pathetically in wait, ready to ambush. You are the perfect embodiment, the true definition by demonstration, of classic trolls.[/p][/quote]So you are a mixture of George Carlin,Eddie Murphy,Eddie Izzard and Denis Leary, with a knife edge sense of irony. I'm sorry to be the one who has to break the news to you,but here goes, NO YOUR NOT !!!! You are delusional, someone who sulks when told, you’re just not funny.[/p][/quote]You are such a silly, rightway. It is BillyTheKid who is the mixture, not me, personally. Like the original "Kid" he is vunerable and inclined to lash out when cornered. I quite like him because he wears his heart on his sleeve, and he is predictable to some extent, so you always know where you stand with him. But it worries me that you think he is a "real person". You are shouting at the ventriloquists dummy, like a child at a pantomime. You are booing the "bad guy" each time he steps on stage. You believing the fantasy. Perhaps you are not able to cope with all the excitement of the Echo forum, and get a little confused. I'll refrain from giving you Billy's take on this as it might get him kicked off the site ![/p][/quote]BORING rightway

1:46pm Thu 12 Apr 12

BillyTheKid says...

But you can't resist coming back again and again to see what I've said, long after all the others have gone, can you ?

And you do feel a bit intimidated by the fact that you have been soundly beaten at your own game. But all you could come up with is the word "BORING".

Initially I thought you couldn't be some teenager because your command of the English language seemed too sophisticated. The only way to find out for sure was to keep the dialogue going, because kids lack the depth of wisdom and experience to keep up an image for long.

The final "giveaways" were your constant determination to counter what I said rather than evaluate it, and the use of the word "boring"- adults do not use that word.

Now go and tidy your room !
But you can't resist coming back again and again to see what I've said, long after all the others have gone, can you ? And you do feel a bit intimidated by the fact that you have been soundly beaten at your own game. But all you could come up with is the word "BORING". Initially I thought you couldn't be some teenager because your command of the English language seemed too sophisticated. The only way to find out for sure was to keep the dialogue going, because kids lack the depth of wisdom and experience to keep up an image for long. The final "giveaways" were your constant determination to counter what I said rather than evaluate it, and the use of the word "boring"- adults do not use that word. Now go and tidy your room ! BillyTheKid

3:35pm Thu 12 Apr 12

BillyTheKid says...

You know, rightway, the great thing about being retired is you can waste time on frivolous things without feeling guilty, not having to dash around trying to catch up with work/school. Time to think......

There has been something about you and Ranger's posts that keep bugging me....things that didn't add up......something different to the run-of-the-mill "troll" posts. (It fascinates me, this sort of thing)

So...what has "Sherlock" come up with ?

1 You sound young, late teens, early twenties.
2 You sit and wait for your targets, watching, answering posts often within minutes.
3 Elegant command of the English language and sentence structures, those "genteel" words : "nasty", "nicely", "long-winded", "light-hearted", and the almost complete absence of expletives.
4 Interested in Boris Johnson.

Those four ideas just do not sit right together, Watson !....boys just don't - ah ! Wait a minute.....!

Then I realised ! The nicknames have been distracting me : Lone Ranger and rightway - they sound male. And clausentum is part of this, too !

Of course ! You are girls. Two or three of you, working together. Intelligent....St Anne's, probably(one of you picked me up on the "What would Our Lady do in a situation like that?" Only Catholics would have noticed that. And the lack of expletives -too many Hail Marys involved !)
Aged....no younger than 14, no more than 18. The elegant turn of phrase, etc., it all makes sense now.

But then, you could be anybody who has chosen those roles.

No. A small gang of intelligent Catholic schoolgirls having a bit of a laugh. Some years ago I did some teaching at St Anne's, so I am familiar with the "species" !

But then you could be male gays, or eccentric pensioners who belong to a local ammy drammy group.....

Too many imponderables ! Must get my life back.....

Goodbye !
You know, rightway, the great thing about being retired is you can waste time on frivolous things without feeling guilty, not having to dash around trying to catch up with work/school. Time to think...... There has been something about you and Ranger's posts that keep bugging me....things that didn't add up......something different to the run-of-the-mill "troll" posts. (It fascinates me, this sort of thing) So...what has "Sherlock" come up with ? 1 You sound young, late teens, early twenties. 2 You sit and wait for your targets, watching, answering posts often within minutes. 3 Elegant command of the English language and sentence structures, those "genteel" words : "nasty", "nicely", "long-winded", "light-hearted", and the almost complete absence of expletives. 4 Interested in Boris Johnson. Those four ideas just do not sit right together, Watson !....boys just don't - ah ! Wait a minute.....! Then I realised ! The nicknames have been distracting me : Lone Ranger and rightway - they sound male. And clausentum is part of this, too ! Of course ! You are girls. Two or three of you, working together. Intelligent....St Anne's, probably(one of you picked me up on the "What would Our Lady do in a situation like that?" Only Catholics would have noticed that. And the lack of expletives -too many Hail Marys involved !) Aged....no younger than 14, no more than 18. The elegant turn of phrase, etc., it all makes sense now. But then, you could be anybody who has chosen those roles. No. A small gang of intelligent Catholic schoolgirls having a bit of a laugh. Some years ago I did some teaching at St Anne's, so I am familiar with the "species" ! But then you could be male gays, or eccentric pensioners who belong to a local ammy drammy group..... Too many imponderables ! Must get my life back..... Goodbye ! BillyTheKid

2:24pm Fri 13 Apr 12

rightway says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
You know, rightway, the great thing about being retired is you can waste time on frivolous things without feeling guilty, not having to dash around trying to catch up with work/school. Time to think...... There has been something about you and Ranger's posts that keep bugging me....things that didn't add up......something different to the run-of-the-mill "troll" posts. (It fascinates me, this sort of thing) So...what has "Sherlock" come up with ? 1 You sound young, late teens, early twenties. 2 You sit and wait for your targets, watching, answering posts often within minutes. 3 Elegant command of the English language and sentence structures, those "genteel" words : "nasty", "nicely", "long-winded", "light-hearted", and the almost complete absence of expletives. 4 Interested in Boris Johnson. Those four ideas just do not sit right together, Watson !....boys just don't - ah ! Wait a minute.....! Then I realised ! The nicknames have been distracting me : Lone Ranger and rightway - they sound male. And clausentum is part of this, too ! Of course ! You are girls. Two or three of you, working together. Intelligent....St Anne's, probably(one of you picked me up on the "What would Our Lady do in a situation like that?" Only Catholics would have noticed that. And the lack of expletives -too many Hail Marys involved !) Aged....no younger than 14, no more than 18. The elegant turn of phrase, etc., it all makes sense now. But then, you could be anybody who has chosen those roles. No. A small gang of intelligent Catholic schoolgirls having a bit of a laugh. Some years ago I did some teaching at St Anne's, so I am familiar with the "species" ! But then you could be male gays, or eccentric pensioners who belong to a local ammy drammy group..... Too many imponderables ! Must get my life back..... Goodbye !
Zzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!
!
So So BORING
But what is your problem with catholic schoolgirls, you do seem to protest rather to loudly me thinks.
Are we getting close to the real reason for your "early retirement"
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: You know, rightway, the great thing about being retired is you can waste time on frivolous things without feeling guilty, not having to dash around trying to catch up with work/school. Time to think...... There has been something about you and Ranger's posts that keep bugging me....things that didn't add up......something different to the run-of-the-mill "troll" posts. (It fascinates me, this sort of thing) So...what has "Sherlock" come up with ? 1 You sound young, late teens, early twenties. 2 You sit and wait for your targets, watching, answering posts often within minutes. 3 Elegant command of the English language and sentence structures, those "genteel" words : "nasty", "nicely", "long-winded", "light-hearted", and the almost complete absence of expletives. 4 Interested in Boris Johnson. Those four ideas just do not sit right together, Watson !....boys just don't - ah ! Wait a minute.....! Then I realised ! The nicknames have been distracting me : Lone Ranger and rightway - they sound male. And clausentum is part of this, too ! Of course ! You are girls. Two or three of you, working together. Intelligent....St Anne's, probably(one of you picked me up on the "What would Our Lady do in a situation like that?" Only Catholics would have noticed that. And the lack of expletives -too many Hail Marys involved !) Aged....no younger than 14, no more than 18. The elegant turn of phrase, etc., it all makes sense now. But then, you could be anybody who has chosen those roles. No. A small gang of intelligent Catholic schoolgirls having a bit of a laugh. Some years ago I did some teaching at St Anne's, so I am familiar with the "species" ! But then you could be male gays, or eccentric pensioners who belong to a local ammy drammy group..... Too many imponderables ! Must get my life back..... Goodbye ![/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!! ! So So BORING But what is your problem with catholic schoolgirls, you do seem to protest rather to loudly me thinks. Are we getting close to the real reason for your "early retirement" rightway

11:47pm Fri 13 Apr 12

BillyTheKid says...

Now you have overstepped the mark.

That insinuation is particularly offensive, but I have to accept that you probably are children and do not realise the seriousness of your remark.

Not that it is any of your business, but I retired early because I felt I'd run out of ideas and inspiration, there were other things I wanted to do before I grew too old, elderly relatives needed help, and, I could afford to, financially. I tell you this because it can be easily substantiated. So if I report you, your comment comes into the "false, abusive, malicious" category. It is libel.

In short, you have put yourself at risk of some "real world" trouble. Remember, the Echo knows precisely which computer your message came from, as you had to supply a real name and email address in order to register. You need to think about this.

Read what I said again. There were things in your posts that sounded a bit advanced for kids. Some of the sentences and word choices seemed very feminine. Then I remembered my spell at St Anne's, and how intellectually advanced each year group was compared to their counterparts in other secondary schools. So that's how I came to my conclusions.

There is nothing in what I have said to suggest a "problem with catholic schoolgirls". Perhaps you contrived that in order to bring in your little Hamlet allusion. Or maybe your whole post is just pure spite because I’ve probably guessed right, or near enough.
Now you have overstepped the mark. That insinuation is particularly offensive, but I have to accept that you probably are children and do not realise the seriousness of your remark. Not that it is any of your business, but I retired early because I felt I'd run out of ideas and inspiration, there were other things I wanted to do before I grew too old, elderly relatives needed help, and, I could afford to, financially. I tell you this because it can be easily substantiated. So if I report you, your comment comes into the "false, abusive, malicious" category. It is libel. In short, you have put yourself at risk of some "real world" trouble. Remember, the Echo knows precisely which computer your message came from, as you had to supply a real name and email address in order to register. You need to think about this. Read what I said again. There were things in your posts that sounded a bit advanced for kids. Some of the sentences and word choices seemed very feminine. Then I remembered my spell at St Anne's, and how intellectually advanced each year group was compared to their counterparts in other secondary schools. So that's how I came to my conclusions. There is nothing in what I have said to suggest a "problem with catholic schoolgirls". Perhaps you contrived that in order to bring in your little Hamlet allusion. Or maybe your whole post is just pure spite because I’ve probably guessed right, or near enough. BillyTheKid

12:39pm Sat 14 Apr 12

rightway says...

BillyTheKid wrote:
Now you have overstepped the mark. That insinuation is particularly offensive, but I have to accept that you probably are children and do not realise the seriousness of your remark. Not that it is any of your business, but I retired early because I felt I'd run out of ideas and inspiration, there were other things I wanted to do before I grew too old, elderly relatives needed help, and, I could afford to, financially. I tell you this because it can be easily substantiated. So if I report you, your comment comes into the "false, abusive, malicious" category. It is libel. In short, you have put yourself at risk of some "real world" trouble. Remember, the Echo knows precisely which computer your message came from, as you had to supply a real name and email address in order to register. You need to think about this. Read what I said again. There were things in your posts that sounded a bit advanced for kids. Some of the sentences and word choices seemed very feminine. Then I remembered my spell at St Anne's, and how intellectually advanced each year group was compared to their counterparts in other secondary schools. So that's how I came to my conclusions. There is nothing in what I have said to suggest a "problem with catholic schoolgirls". Perhaps you contrived that in order to bring in your little Hamlet allusion. Or maybe your whole post is just pure spite because I’ve probably guessed right, or near enough.
How can asking questions be libellous, offensive, hurtful maybe, but not against any laws.
I also find many of your comments false, abusive and malicious but threats like yours are not my way, so go away and have a happy retirement, I do not want to escalate your fishwife arguments any more.
[quote][p][bold]BillyTheKid[/bold] wrote: Now you have overstepped the mark. That insinuation is particularly offensive, but I have to accept that you probably are children and do not realise the seriousness of your remark. Not that it is any of your business, but I retired early because I felt I'd run out of ideas and inspiration, there were other things I wanted to do before I grew too old, elderly relatives needed help, and, I could afford to, financially. I tell you this because it can be easily substantiated. So if I report you, your comment comes into the "false, abusive, malicious" category. It is libel. In short, you have put yourself at risk of some "real world" trouble. Remember, the Echo knows precisely which computer your message came from, as you had to supply a real name and email address in order to register. You need to think about this. Read what I said again. There were things in your posts that sounded a bit advanced for kids. Some of the sentences and word choices seemed very feminine. Then I remembered my spell at St Anne's, and how intellectually advanced each year group was compared to their counterparts in other secondary schools. So that's how I came to my conclusions. There is nothing in what I have said to suggest a "problem with catholic schoolgirls". Perhaps you contrived that in order to bring in your little Hamlet allusion. Or maybe your whole post is just pure spite because I’ve probably guessed right, or near enough.[/p][/quote]How can asking questions be libellous, offensive, hurtful maybe, but not against any laws. I also find many of your comments false, abusive and malicious but threats like yours are not my way, so go away and have a happy retirement, I do not want to escalate your fishwife arguments any more. rightway

1:57pm Sat 14 Apr 12

BillyTheKid says...

The reason why your "questions" are libellous is because they are rhetorical.

However, on careful reflection, I can see why you, and perhaps others, have a negative view of BillyTheKid. My intention was to amuse, not offend, to liven up what many consider to be rather a dull forum. But I have no moral right to take such an uninvited responsibility upon myself.

I am not a regular internet chat forum user. Like many people, I have experienced seriously vicious attacks while on chat forums in the past. By comparison, I thought my rants were very tame, and they were certainly not aimed at causing upset or distress in any way.

Having just researched the "trolling" phenomenon, where the posters intention is purely malicious, I can see why readers might see BillyTheKid as being one.

So BillyTheKid is stepping down. BillyTheKid has met his Nemesis, his "Pat Garratt".

Thank-you for taking the trouble to answer my posts.
The reason why your "questions" are libellous is because they are rhetorical. However, on careful reflection, I can see why you, and perhaps others, have a negative view of BillyTheKid. My intention was to amuse, not offend, to liven up what many consider to be rather a dull forum. But I have no moral right to take such an uninvited responsibility upon myself. I am not a regular internet chat forum user. Like many people, I have experienced seriously vicious attacks while on chat forums in the past. By comparison, I thought my rants were very tame, and they were certainly not aimed at causing upset or distress in any way. Having just researched the "trolling" phenomenon, where the posters intention is purely malicious, I can see why readers might see BillyTheKid as being one. So BillyTheKid is stepping down. BillyTheKid has met his Nemesis, his "Pat Garratt". Thank-you for taking the trouble to answer my posts. BillyTheKid

2:41pm Sat 14 Apr 12

rightway says...

I do not think there is any reason for you to step down, just read your comments before posting.
Taking offence from an anonymous source on an open forum is not what I would have expected from someone of your obvious intellect.
I do not think there is any reason for you to step down, just read your comments before posting. Taking offence from an anonymous source on an open forum is not what I would have expected from someone of your obvious intellect. rightway

6:18pm Sat 14 Apr 12

BillyTheKid says...

When I said "step down", I meant the BillyTheKid alter ego, the character I tried to develop for general amusement, the exaggerated, cartoon, over-the-top version of me.
I have posted here as BillyThe Kid for many years, but not in the grotesque guise that you have seen. In the past, the forum has been so full of trolls you couldn't get a word out before you were attacked mercilessly. I complained to the Echo, but they were of the view that you should not censor free speech, and they wanted to keep the forum as it was, as some "wild frontier", rather than cramp "creative" posts. They told me they blocked any seriously malicious poster, but suggested I just ignore the mildly offensive stuff. I suppose you would expect an editor to say that, as freedom of expression and exposing the truth is fundamental to modern journalism.

So, not having posted for a year or more, I came in "guns blazing" as I imagined the original Billy The Kid might have done ! Have some jokes, be satirical, and get the trolls before they get you !

For years, many older teachers have been paranoid about any suggestion of misconduct. This is not because they harbour guilty secrets, but because they know that wrongful accusations never quite go away. Mud tends to stick. Headteachers have brought in rules that staff should never speak to children alone, never use any kind of physical contact, never give lifts, never make "double entendre" jokes, and so on, to avoid the possibility of children making unjust accusations. The thinking was that under those circumstances, any accusation that was made would be the teacher's own fault for leaving themselves open to criticism. Having been out of the education system for some years now, it did not occur to me that my reference to Catholic schoolgirls could be wrongly interpreted. This amateur psychology, this looking for clues on the flimsiest of evidence is a national pastime, and endemic in the Echo forum ! It was a basic characteristic of BillyTheKid. And, if I may say so, I think you as “rightway” employ it.
Today, most taboo subjects have been brought up for discussion, and then at some stage lampooned. However, any jokes that make reference to children in an offensive way (the same as with reference to race, and mental and physical disability) are now very much off limits, and rightly so, I think. The only standup comic to have made a joke of that sort, as far as I know, was a Jerry Sadowitz, and the audience hissed noticeably. As far as I know, I have never made any degrading references to children. I still think your remark was a step too far, but I accept that within the anonymity of an open forum you might feel it could be disregarded. However, as I have said, we are NOT anonymous, as the Echo have our identities for registration on the forum. And before you start quoting Shakespeare again, I am not protesting too much. So far, I have failed to get you to understand my view of the matter.

Well, let’s hope that straightens everything out. I’ve been honest with you, and I hope you can respect that. I still don’t know if you are on the level, or simply trolling in a very sophisticated way. All I will say now is that if any of the other posters force my hand, I will simply say that two posters objected to the manner of my posts, and that I eventually agreed with them. My decision based on their comments.
When I said "step down", I meant the BillyTheKid alter ego, the character I tried to develop for general amusement, the exaggerated, cartoon, over-the-top version of me. I have posted here as BillyThe Kid for many years, but not in the grotesque guise that you have seen. In the past, the forum has been so full of trolls you couldn't get a word out before you were attacked mercilessly. I complained to the Echo, but they were of the view that you should not censor free speech, and they wanted to keep the forum as it was, as some "wild frontier", rather than cramp "creative" posts. They told me they blocked any seriously malicious poster, but suggested I just ignore the mildly offensive stuff. I suppose you would expect an editor to say that, as freedom of expression and exposing the truth is fundamental to modern journalism. So, not having posted for a year or more, I came in "guns blazing" as I imagined the original Billy The Kid might have done ! Have some jokes, be satirical, and get the trolls before they get you ! For years, many older teachers have been paranoid about any suggestion of misconduct. This is not because they harbour guilty secrets, but because they know that wrongful accusations never quite go away. Mud tends to stick. Headteachers have brought in rules that staff should never speak to children alone, never use any kind of physical contact, never give lifts, never make "double entendre" jokes, and so on, to avoid the possibility of children making unjust accusations. The thinking was that under those circumstances, any accusation that was made would be the teacher's own fault for leaving themselves open to criticism. Having been out of the education system for some years now, it did not occur to me that my reference to Catholic schoolgirls could be wrongly interpreted. This amateur psychology, this looking for clues on the flimsiest of evidence is a national pastime, and endemic in the Echo forum ! It was a basic characteristic of BillyTheKid. And, if I may say so, I think you as “rightway” employ it. Today, most taboo subjects have been brought up for discussion, and then at some stage lampooned. However, any jokes that make reference to children in an offensive way (the same as with reference to race, and mental and physical disability) are now very much off limits, and rightly so, I think. The only standup comic to have made a joke of that sort, as far as I know, was a Jerry Sadowitz, and the audience hissed noticeably. As far as I know, I have never made any degrading references to children. I still think your remark was a step too far, but I accept that within the anonymity of an open forum you might feel it could be disregarded. However, as I have said, we are NOT anonymous, as the Echo have our identities for registration on the forum. And before you start quoting Shakespeare again, I am not protesting too much. So far, I have failed to get you to understand my view of the matter. Well, let’s hope that straightens everything out. I’ve been honest with you, and I hope you can respect that. I still don’t know if you are on the level, or simply trolling in a very sophisticated way. All I will say now is that if any of the other posters force my hand, I will simply say that two posters objected to the manner of my posts, and that I eventually agreed with them. My decision based on their comments. BillyTheKid

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