Keith Morrell resigns from Southampton City Council's cabinet after two weeks

Keith Morrell

Richard Williams

First published in Politics Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Politics and business reporter

ONE of Southampton’s senior Labour politicians has resigned his post over a policy split just weeks after the party seized power.

Cllr Keith Morrell stepped down from his role as Labour’s new efficiency tsar because he couldn’t bring himself to force through the devastating cuts he believes will be needed after examining the council’s finances.

A council statement had claimed that Cllr Morrell had left for health reasons. But Cllr Morrell himself confirmed to the Daily Echo he was not ill and agreed to the story to avoid an embarrassing public row.

Cllr Morrell added that new council leader Cllr Richard Williams had told him he would be forced to resign as leader if the real reasons became known.

It follows former Labour finance spokesman Cllr Stephen Barnes-Andrews quitting his role just before local elections earlier this month in a policy dispute with Cllr Williams over bin collections.

Opposition Tories said Labour was now being forced to admit the scale of the council’s cash crisis and called for Cllr Williams to resign as he was not up to the job.

Cllr Morrell, 63, an accountant, was made Cabinet member for efficiency and improvement in Cllr Williams’ first Cabinet following the party’s election landslide The left-wing lifetime Labour Party member said he accepted the job to protect jobs and services.

But after fully examining the books he said he could not sign up to the scale of the savings that will need to be made. Despite record savings made in recent years by the Tories, Labour now faces a £46m budget deficit over the next two years.

Cllr Morrell said: “I was concerned that when the Government announces the new funding settlement it will be even worse than we expected and it will entail even more damage to local services and then force the dismantling of local government.

As a Labour administration we are going to need to reconsider how we will deal with that. As a Cabinet member I could not argue the case for making even more cuts.

“I would rather argue from within the group and the back benches, than defend them as a Cabinet member.”

Asked why he agreed to say he resigned for health reason’s Cllr Morrell said: “Cllr Williams’ threat of resignation and the warning of the damage it would do to the new Labour administration.

For the good of the party, I relented.

“But I didn’t believe it would be expressed in the way it was.

“Initially I was willing to go along with the fiction but I couldn’t keep on lying to people when they asked me.”

In the initial council statement Cllr Williams expressed his sadness that Cllr Morrell had had to “step down so soon” adding: “My primary concern is that Keith has the time and space to address his health concerns and I wish him and his family all the best.”

But last night, when asked by the Daily Echo about Cllr Morrell’s claim that he did not initially offer his resignation on health grounds but only did so to save face for the Labour group, Cllr Williams insisted: “All I can say is he cited health reasons for his resignation.

That’s what he told me.”

Cllr Williams denied categorically they discussed Cllr Morrell’s political concerns over cuts as the real reason for him wanting to quit.

Last night Conservative opposition leader Cllr Royston Smith said: “You should never ask someone to leave on grounds of ill health when that’s not the case.

"Cllr Williams should go now before he does even more damage to the council. This just demonstrates what we’ve been saying all the way through the election, the council faces a serious problem and Cllr Williams and his Cabinet are unfortunately out of their depth.”

Cllr Morrell insisted Labour was determined to honour pledges made to staff to restore pay cuts imposed last year by the Tories and to avoid redundancies through an internal jobs market.

Cllr Williams said he had decided not to find a new Cabinet member for efficiency.

It follows Tory criticism he was “creating jobs for the boys” by expanding the council’s Cabinet from six to eight members.

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12:39pm Fri 25 May 12

George4th says...

When in a position of authority and responsibility and you are facing problems, you should stay and deal with the problems! They won't get solved by running away!!!!
When in a position of authority and responsibility and you are facing problems, you should stay and deal with the problems! They won't get solved by running away!!!! George4th
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12:39pm Fri 25 May 12

Maine Lobster says...

Royston Smith has no right to make any comments over "damage to the Council." Pot,kettle....
Royston Smith has no right to make any comments over "damage to the Council." Pot,kettle.... Maine Lobster
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12:51pm Fri 25 May 12

Over the Edge says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
Royston Smith has no right to make any comments over "damage to the Council." Pot,kettle....
I found it quite hard reading as well, Royston Smith and damage to the council, go hand in glove.
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: Royston Smith has no right to make any comments over "damage to the Council." Pot,kettle....[/p][/quote]I found it quite hard reading as well, Royston Smith and damage to the council, go hand in glove. Over the Edge
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12:51pm Fri 25 May 12

cgfrost says...

The old council were making the best of a bad situation the new council are running away or lying to us. Between this and the hold on the Townhill park redevelopment I think we have gone to a far worse council.
The old council were making the best of a bad situation the new council are running away or lying to us. Between this and the hold on the Townhill park redevelopment I think we have gone to a far worse council. cgfrost
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12:52pm Fri 25 May 12

Condor Man says...

This is sad news but only for the people of Southampton. I don't understand why people continue to vote Labour when their candidates are not up to the job. A bunch of public sector workers are never going to be objective when it comes to finance. Cllr Morrell at least came from a financial background. Heaven help the rest of us.
This is sad news but only for the people of Southampton. I don't understand why people continue to vote Labour when their candidates are not up to the job. A bunch of public sector workers are never going to be objective when it comes to finance. Cllr Morrell at least came from a financial background. Heaven help the rest of us. Condor Man
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1:05pm Fri 25 May 12

Shoong says...

Jeebus, what a farce!

You've been voted in by the electorate boys, now get your heads around it & stop the in-fighting.
Jeebus, what a farce! You've been voted in by the electorate boys, now get your heads around it & stop the in-fighting. Shoong
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1:05pm Fri 25 May 12

LisaFricker says...

Well done Keith for standing up for your beliefs. The truth should always be told.
Well done Keith for standing up for your beliefs. The truth should always be told. LisaFricker
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1:07pm Fri 25 May 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

It does not give me any satisfaction in saying ‘I told you so’
.
These NuLabourites pulled a few fast ones on public with the help of their opportunist mates who are full time well paid officers in various unions. Money provided from workers contribution was abused for misleading the masses with false promises, and undermining the truths which underfunded small socialist parties like TUSC tried to tell
.
Considering Cllr. Keith Morell has now himself admitted to the Echo that he ‘LIED’ about his health, he should do the only decent thing and RESIGN
.
Sadly disturbingly large numbers of people have lost faith in politicians. If self confessed liars like Keith are allowed to continue holding respectable positions that will only do more damage to our democracy by eroding people’s faith even more
.

Hope Echo Editor Ian Murray will encourage bit of investigative journalism and dig deeper for the real truth. Questions should be asked who else was involved in original plot to tell an out right ‘LIE’ to mislead us the people
.
Yes it is a well known fact that as a socialist I am not too keen on NuLabourites, but as I still have some friends in their party who in my opinion are genuinely decent but bit misguided due to loyalty to brand ‘Labour’, my friendly and sincere advice to them will be to make sure that not only Keith Morell’s head (political one) should roll immediately others should also be made to hit the dust. Please do that before it is too late
It does not give me any satisfaction in saying ‘I told you so’ . These NuLabourites pulled a few fast ones on public with the help of their opportunist mates who are full time well paid officers in various unions. Money provided from workers contribution was abused for misleading the masses with false promises, and undermining the truths which underfunded small socialist parties like TUSC tried to tell . Considering Cllr. Keith Morell has now himself admitted to the Echo that he ‘LIED’ about his health, he should do the only decent thing and RESIGN . Sadly disturbingly large numbers of people have lost faith in politicians. If self confessed liars like Keith are allowed to continue holding respectable positions that will only do more damage to our democracy by eroding people’s faith even more . Hope Echo Editor Ian Murray will encourage bit of investigative journalism and dig deeper for the real truth. Questions should be asked who else was involved in original plot to tell an out right ‘LIE’ to mislead us the people . Yes it is a well known fact that as a socialist I am not too keen on NuLabourites, but as I still have some friends in their party who in my opinion are genuinely decent but bit misguided due to loyalty to brand ‘Labour’, my friendly and sincere advice to them will be to make sure that not only Keith Morell’s head (political one) should roll immediately others should also be made to hit the dust. Please do that before it is too late Paramjit Bahia
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1:08pm Fri 25 May 12

Shoong says...

Over the Edge wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
Royston Smith has no right to make any comments over "damage to the Council." Pot,kettle....
I found it quite hard reading as well, Royston Smith and damage to the council, go hand in glove.
Not prepared to give out any of the s******gs off you gave the last Council then chaps.

Understandable really as you'd pretty stupid wouldn't you? Grass is always greener...
[quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: Royston Smith has no right to make any comments over "damage to the Council." Pot,kettle....[/p][/quote]I found it quite hard reading as well, Royston Smith and damage to the council, go hand in glove.[/p][/quote]Not prepared to give out any of the s******gs off you gave the last Council then chaps. Understandable really as you'd pretty stupid wouldn't you? Grass is always greener... Shoong
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1:09pm Fri 25 May 12

Shoong says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
It does not give me any satisfaction in saying ‘I told you so’
.
These NuLabourites pulled a few fast ones on public with the help of their opportunist mates who are full time well paid officers in various unions. Money provided from workers contribution was abused for misleading the masses with false promises, and undermining the truths which underfunded small socialist parties like TUSC tried to tell
.
Considering Cllr. Keith Morell has now himself admitted to the Echo that he ‘LIED’ about his health, he should do the only decent thing and RESIGN
.
Sadly disturbingly large numbers of people have lost faith in politicians. If self confessed liars like Keith are allowed to continue holding respectable positions that will only do more damage to our democracy by eroding people’s faith even more
.

Hope Echo Editor Ian Murray will encourage bit of investigative journalism and dig deeper for the real truth. Questions should be asked who else was involved in original plot to tell an out right ‘LIE’ to mislead us the people
.
Yes it is a well known fact that as a socialist I am not too keen on NuLabourites, but as I still have some friends in their party who in my opinion are genuinely decent but bit misguided due to loyalty to brand ‘Labour’, my friendly and sincere advice to them will be to make sure that not only Keith Morell’s head (political one) should roll immediately others should also be made to hit the dust. Please do that before it is too late
Rubbish - I think it gives you a tremendous amount of satisfaction.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: It does not give me any satisfaction in saying ‘I told you so’ . These NuLabourites pulled a few fast ones on public with the help of their opportunist mates who are full time well paid officers in various unions. Money provided from workers contribution was abused for misleading the masses with false promises, and undermining the truths which underfunded small socialist parties like TUSC tried to tell . Considering Cllr. Keith Morell has now himself admitted to the Echo that he ‘LIED’ about his health, he should do the only decent thing and RESIGN . Sadly disturbingly large numbers of people have lost faith in politicians. If self confessed liars like Keith are allowed to continue holding respectable positions that will only do more damage to our democracy by eroding people’s faith even more . Hope Echo Editor Ian Murray will encourage bit of investigative journalism and dig deeper for the real truth. Questions should be asked who else was involved in original plot to tell an out right ‘LIE’ to mislead us the people . Yes it is a well known fact that as a socialist I am not too keen on NuLabourites, but as I still have some friends in their party who in my opinion are genuinely decent but bit misguided due to loyalty to brand ‘Labour’, my friendly and sincere advice to them will be to make sure that not only Keith Morell’s head (political one) should roll immediately others should also be made to hit the dust. Please do that before it is too late[/p][/quote]Rubbish - I think it gives you a tremendous amount of satisfaction. Shoong
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1:15pm Fri 25 May 12

likewatchingbrazil says...

has he rejoined thunderbirds!
has he rejoined thunderbirds! likewatchingbrazil
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1:16pm Fri 25 May 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

LisaFricker wrote:
Well done Keith for standing up for your beliefs. The truth should always be told.
Lisa,
Please think before blindly supporting somebody who may be your and Rick's friend.
Ask Don, he knows why I did not vote for Keith. Posting all that on this site may dig even deeper hole for your party.
Parmi
[quote][p][bold]LisaFricker[/bold] wrote: Well done Keith for standing up for your beliefs. The truth should always be told.[/p][/quote]Lisa, Please think before blindly supporting somebody who may be your and Rick's friend. Ask Don, he knows why I did not vote for Keith. Posting all that on this site may dig even deeper hole for your party. Parmi Paramjit Bahia
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1:23pm Fri 25 May 12

bigfella777 says...

This has made my day,a bunch of idiots voted in by a bigger bunch of idiots.
I knew this would happen, next years council tax bill is going to make an almighty crash when it comes through the door thats all I can say, you cannot spend money you do not have.
This has made my day,a bunch of idiots voted in by a bigger bunch of idiots. I knew this would happen, next years council tax bill is going to make an almighty crash when it comes through the door thats all I can say, you cannot spend money you do not have. bigfella777
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1:26pm Fri 25 May 12

George4th says...

LisaFricker wrote:
Well done Keith for standing up for your beliefs. The truth should always be told.
He didn't stick up for anything - he ran away! One look at the books and he runs!
>
The last council didn't bleat - they got on with the job of sorting out Southampton under the most adverse economic conditions.
>
Then some people in Southampton were daft enough to vote in a Labour council thinking they could work a miracle, win the lottery and bail out Greece all in one go!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]LisaFricker[/bold] wrote: Well done Keith for standing up for your beliefs. The truth should always be told.[/p][/quote]He didn't stick up for anything - he ran away! One look at the books and he runs! > The last council didn't bleat - they got on with the job of sorting out Southampton under the most adverse economic conditions. > Then some people in Southampton were daft enough to vote in a Labour council thinking they could work a miracle, win the lottery and bail out Greece all in one go!!!!!!!!!!! George4th
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1:29pm Fri 25 May 12

HillsidePaul says...

Keith Morell has spent his political life running away from every difficult decision. Prefering to criticize from the side-lines rather than getting his hands dirty.

Cllr Williams gave him a chance to change and yet again he bottled it, At least this saves the bother of sacking him.
Keith Morell has spent his political life running away from every difficult decision. Prefering to criticize from the side-lines rather than getting his hands dirty. Cllr Williams gave him a chance to change and yet again he bottled it, At least this saves the bother of sacking him. HillsidePaul
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1:35pm Fri 25 May 12

ohmywell says...

BIGFELLA777. As in previous comments over the last year or so and I will try and explain it simply for you!!! There cannot not be any council tax increase in 2013/14 as the Government has frozen it BIG NUMPTY 777 me thinks!!!!!!
BIGFELLA777. As in previous comments over the last year or so and I will try and explain it simply for you!!! There cannot not be any council tax increase in 2013/14 as the Government has frozen it BIG NUMPTY 777 me thinks!!!!!! ohmywell
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1:42pm Fri 25 May 12

saint61 says...

Cllr Morrell added that new council leader Cllr Richard Williams had told him he would be forced to resign as leader if the real reasons became known...............
.WELL THE REAL REASONS HAVE BECOME KNOW...........so Mr Williams when can we expect you to resign?
Cllr Morrell added that new council leader Cllr Richard Williams had told him he would be forced to resign as leader if the real reasons became known............... .WELL THE REAL REASONS HAVE BECOME KNOW...........so Mr Williams when can we expect you to resign? saint61
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1:47pm Fri 25 May 12

Dave of Dibden says...

Does rats and sinking ships come in to mind ????
Does rats and sinking ships come in to mind ???? Dave of Dibden
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2:14pm Fri 25 May 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Dave of Dibden wrote:
Does rats and sinking ships come in to mind ????
Yes, by the look of it they are not jumping at the moment but are busy making holes at the bottom of their rightwing ship bit bigger
[quote][p][bold]Dave of Dibden[/bold] wrote: Does rats and sinking ships come in to mind ????[/p][/quote]Yes, by the look of it they are not jumping at the moment but are busy making holes at the bottom of their rightwing ship bit bigger Paramjit Bahia
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2:16pm Fri 25 May 12

bigfella777 says...

ohmywell wrote:
BIGFELLA777. As in previous comments over the last year or so and I will try and explain it simply for you!!! There cannot not be any council tax increase in 2013/14 as the Government has frozen it BIG NUMPTY 777 me thinks!!!!!!
You are misinformed my fine feathered friend, councils who opt to freeze the tax get a grant worth 2.5% of their budget, its not compulsary you PRATT!
[quote][p][bold]ohmywell[/bold] wrote: BIGFELLA777. As in previous comments over the last year or so and I will try and explain it simply for you!!! There cannot not be any council tax increase in 2013/14 as the Government has frozen it BIG NUMPTY 777 me thinks!!!!!![/p][/quote]You are misinformed my fine feathered friend, councils who opt to freeze the tax get a grant worth 2.5% of their budget, its not compulsary you PRATT! bigfella777
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2:25pm Fri 25 May 12

likewatchingbrazil says...

bigfella777 wrote:
ohmywell wrote: BIGFELLA777. As in previous comments over the last year or so and I will try and explain it simply for you!!! There cannot not be any council tax increase in 2013/14 as the Government has frozen it BIG NUMPTY 777 me thinks!!!!!!
You are misinformed my fine feathered friend, councils who opt to freeze the tax get a grant worth 2.5% of their budget, its not compulsary you PRATT!
nice to see the ex poopey fans are finding new ways of spending their dole time by still coming on the great southampton sites and bleating utter sh@te as per usual. coyr foadptj
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohmywell[/bold] wrote: BIGFELLA777. As in previous comments over the last year or so and I will try and explain it simply for you!!! There cannot not be any council tax increase in 2013/14 as the Government has frozen it BIG NUMPTY 777 me thinks!!!!!![/p][/quote]You are misinformed my fine feathered friend, councils who opt to freeze the tax get a grant worth 2.5% of their budget, its not compulsary you PRATT![/p][/quote]nice to see the ex poopey fans are finding new ways of spending their dole time by still coming on the great southampton sites and bleating utter sh@te as per usual. coyr foadptj likewatchingbrazil
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2:36pm Fri 25 May 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

HillsidePaul wrote:
Keith Morell has spent his political life running away from every difficult decision. Prefering to criticize from the side-lines rather than getting his hands dirty.

Cllr Williams gave him a chance to change and yet again he bottled it, At least this saves the bother of sacking him.
Paul, Keith is opportunist and as he has now eventually been forced to confess also an OUT RIGHT LIAR
.
He wants to ride every horse around, but may have realised that next time around people will not vote for him for what he could have done in that office. So may have decided to quit and make short term loss for securing long term electoral gains in Coxford
.
NuLabour should be asking questions about the ability of Cllr. Williams and trying to seek the real truth about his ALLEGED role in LIE told in original statement of Cllr. Keith Morrel
.
I may not be keen of views of Cllr. Williams but am not willing to crucify him on the say so of a man who has already admitted to having LIED. So in all fairness allegations made by Keith should be thoroughly investigated
.
If it is right for NuLabour to attack Tories on things like why former News of the World editor was given a job in Cameron’s office and criticise them over role of Hunt etc then it will be pure hypocrisy if they fail to practice themselves what they pretend to preach
.
Ignoring this shameless saga will only dig even deeper hole for party of turn coats you seem to support.
[quote][p][bold]HillsidePaul[/bold] wrote: Keith Morell has spent his political life running away from every difficult decision. Prefering to criticize from the side-lines rather than getting his hands dirty. Cllr Williams gave him a chance to change and yet again he bottled it, At least this saves the bother of sacking him.[/p][/quote]Paul, Keith is opportunist and as he has now eventually been forced to confess also an OUT RIGHT LIAR . He wants to ride every horse around, but may have realised that next time around people will not vote for him for what he could have done in that office. So may have decided to quit and make short term loss for securing long term electoral gains in Coxford . NuLabour should be asking questions about the ability of Cllr. Williams and trying to seek the real truth about his ALLEGED role in LIE told in original statement of Cllr. Keith Morrel . I may not be keen of views of Cllr. Williams but am not willing to crucify him on the say so of a man who has already admitted to having LIED. So in all fairness allegations made by Keith should be thoroughly investigated . If it is right for NuLabour to attack Tories on things like why former News of the World editor was given a job in Cameron’s office and criticise them over role of Hunt etc then it will be pure hypocrisy if they fail to practice themselves what they pretend to preach . Ignoring this shameless saga will only dig even deeper hole for party of turn coats you seem to support. Paramjit Bahia
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2:40pm Fri 25 May 12

Condor Man says...

PB, strong stuff today but just keep it measured. We all know that this Labour group lack the talent and ability not only to resolve massive budget problems left over from the Bridle era but also having the vision to improve the city. We'll see over time how good the Tory council was for the city, hopefully by the time the next elections come along in 2014.
PB, strong stuff today but just keep it measured. We all know that this Labour group lack the talent and ability not only to resolve massive budget problems left over from the Bridle era but also having the vision to improve the city. We'll see over time how good the Tory council was for the city, hopefully by the time the next elections come along in 2014. Condor Man
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2:51pm Fri 25 May 12

Shoong says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
HillsidePaul wrote:
Keith Morell has spent his political life running away from every difficult decision. Prefering to criticize from the side-lines rather than getting his hands dirty.

Cllr Williams gave him a chance to change and yet again he bottled it, At least this saves the bother of sacking him.
Paul, Keith is opportunist and as he has now eventually been forced to confess also an OUT RIGHT LIAR
.
He wants to ride every horse around, but may have realised that next time around people will not vote for him for what he could have done in that office. So may have decided to quit and make short term loss for securing long term electoral gains in Coxford
.
NuLabour should be asking questions about the ability of Cllr. Williams and trying to seek the real truth about his ALLEGED role in LIE told in original statement of Cllr. Keith Morrel
.
I may not be keen of views of Cllr. Williams but am not willing to crucify him on the say so of a man who has already admitted to having LIED. So in all fairness allegations made by Keith should be thoroughly investigated
.
If it is right for NuLabour to attack Tories on things like why former News of the World editor was given a job in Cameron’s office and criticise them over role of Hunt etc then it will be pure hypocrisy if they fail to practice themselves what they pretend to preach
.
Ignoring this shameless saga will only dig even deeper hole for party of turn coats you seem to support.
Wipe the froth from your face FFS, I can hear the mouth breathing from here.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HillsidePaul[/bold] wrote: Keith Morell has spent his political life running away from every difficult decision. Prefering to criticize from the side-lines rather than getting his hands dirty. Cllr Williams gave him a chance to change and yet again he bottled it, At least this saves the bother of sacking him.[/p][/quote]Paul, Keith is opportunist and as he has now eventually been forced to confess also an OUT RIGHT LIAR . He wants to ride every horse around, but may have realised that next time around people will not vote for him for what he could have done in that office. So may have decided to quit and make short term loss for securing long term electoral gains in Coxford . NuLabour should be asking questions about the ability of Cllr. Williams and trying to seek the real truth about his ALLEGED role in LIE told in original statement of Cllr. Keith Morrel . I may not be keen of views of Cllr. Williams but am not willing to crucify him on the say so of a man who has already admitted to having LIED. So in all fairness allegations made by Keith should be thoroughly investigated . If it is right for NuLabour to attack Tories on things like why former News of the World editor was given a job in Cameron’s office and criticise them over role of Hunt etc then it will be pure hypocrisy if they fail to practice themselves what they pretend to preach . Ignoring this shameless saga will only dig even deeper hole for party of turn coats you seem to support.[/p][/quote]Wipe the froth from your face FFS, I can hear the mouth breathing from here. Shoong
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3:04pm Fri 25 May 12

tootle says...

Labour have been elected. Southampton had a massive hole in the budget under Tories. Despite all the spending, reinstate cuts promises of Labour to get elected there is still a hole in the budget. Things will settle, people will resign, move, cope as best they can. It is when the dust settles and the realisation hits that there really isn't any money left and that they are going to be as unpopular as Royston and cronies come next election that we will see what this bunch of political no hopers are made of. Hopefully some of them will find they are up to the job, the rest will fall by the wayside. Tories or Labour I wouldn't want to be doing their job at the moment.
Labour have been elected. Southampton had a massive hole in the budget under Tories. Despite all the spending, reinstate cuts promises of Labour to get elected there is still a hole in the budget. Things will settle, people will resign, move, cope as best they can. It is when the dust settles and the realisation hits that there really isn't any money left and that they are going to be as unpopular as Royston and cronies come next election that we will see what this bunch of political no hopers are made of. Hopefully some of them will find they are up to the job, the rest will fall by the wayside. Tories or Labour I wouldn't want to be doing their job at the moment. tootle
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3:49pm Fri 25 May 12

George4th says...

There's a conspicuously
loud silence from those who wanted a Labour council?
There's a conspicuously loud silence from those who wanted a Labour council? George4th
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3:55pm Fri 25 May 12

saintjak says...

Love Labour... Say anything to get in power, within two weeks its going Pete Tong.

Obviously have yet to find the fantasy pot of money you usually govern with

No doubt my Council tax will now go sky high to support the promises you made to the public sector and everyone else...
Love Labour... Say anything to get in power, within two weeks its going Pete Tong. Obviously have yet to find the fantasy pot of money you usually govern with No doubt my Council tax will now go sky high to support the promises you made to the public sector and everyone else... saintjak
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3:56pm Fri 25 May 12

loosehead says...

The last Tory council took over a £25million deficit by a Labour Government slashing money sent to Southern counties & in particular Southampton.
if Labour had won both General & local elections the Labour council would have had a £25million black hole plus any cuts the Government made.
but the reality is the Tories inherited that black hole & got on top of it only to get slapped with another £25million cut.
they tried to work with Unions but to no avail as those unions saw a way of bringing down the Tory council.
Even after that the Tories warned Labour there would be another £45million cut this year but Labour still promised the earth Saying one thing to the press then doing a U-turn & denying it.We now have one Cabinet Member resigning over Refuse Collection Now we have this statement?
But after fully examining the books he said he could not sign up to the scale of the savings that will need to be made. Despite record savings made in recent years by the Tories, Labour now faces a £46m budget deficit over the next two years.
Did you notice record savings by the Conservative council?
Please now tell me are bin collections safe? how are they going to finance jobs that are not there & are not needed?
How the hell with a £45million cut in funding are they going to pay for pay restoration for all workers, build 1,500 new homes without HA's assistance? Create 1,500 meaningful jobs?
2013 they can raise council tax but by Christ what a huge rise it's going to be to cover all their promises.
As I & many other posts have said Labour Lied all the way to power I wonder what lies in two years time they will use to keep power?
The last Tory council took over a £25million deficit by a Labour Government slashing money sent to Southern counties & in particular Southampton. if Labour had won both General & local elections the Labour council would have had a £25million black hole plus any cuts the Government made. but the reality is the Tories inherited that black hole & got on top of it only to get slapped with another £25million cut. they tried to work with Unions but to no avail as those unions saw a way of bringing down the Tory council. Even after that the Tories warned Labour there would be another £45million cut this year but Labour still promised the earth Saying one thing to the press then doing a U-turn & denying it.We now have one Cabinet Member resigning over Refuse Collection Now we have this statement? But after fully examining the books he said he could not sign up to the scale of the savings that will need to be made. Despite record savings made in recent years by the Tories, Labour now faces a £46m budget deficit over the next two years. Did you notice record savings by the Conservative council? Please now tell me are bin collections safe? how are they going to finance jobs that are not there & are not needed? How the hell with a £45million cut in funding are they going to pay for pay restoration for all workers, build 1,500 new homes without HA's assistance? Create 1,500 meaningful jobs? 2013 they can raise council tax but by Christ what a huge rise it's going to be to cover all their promises. As I & many other posts have said Labour Lied all the way to power I wonder what lies in two years time they will use to keep power? loosehead
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3:57pm Fri 25 May 12

saintjak says...

George4th wrote:
There's a conspicuously
loud silence from those who wanted a Labour council?
Correct... There were loads on here spouting off when they won.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: There's a conspicuously loud silence from those who wanted a Labour council?[/p][/quote]Correct... There were loads on here spouting off when they won. saintjak
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3:59pm Fri 25 May 12

sottondave says...

It will get very tiresome if whenever the council takes a decision or something happens Tories jump up and down and shout the roof is caving in and everything is a shambles.
The local tories haven't learnt yet that constantly shouting abuse does not work.
It will get very tiresome if whenever the council takes a decision or something happens Tories jump up and down and shout the roof is caving in and everything is a shambles. The local tories haven't learnt yet that constantly shouting abuse does not work. sottondave
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4:13pm Fri 25 May 12

soton-mike80 says...

cgfrost wrote:
The old council were making the best of a bad situation the new council are running away or lying to us. Between this and the hold on the Townhill park redevelopment I think we have gone to a far worse council.
Exactly - I agree with this statement wholeheartedly. By nature I am not an avid supporter of the Conservative political stance, but recently have been swayed because they are willing to do what is necessary to get this country out of recession and cut the over inflated public sector.

Labour need to face facts and own up to the truth - they cannot keep their pledges - no administration could - because of the need for change within the public sector.
[quote][p][bold]cgfrost[/bold] wrote: The old council were making the best of a bad situation the new council are running away or lying to us. Between this and the hold on the Townhill park redevelopment I think we have gone to a far worse council.[/p][/quote]Exactly - I agree with this statement wholeheartedly. By nature I am not an avid supporter of the Conservative political stance, but recently have been swayed because they are willing to do what is necessary to get this country out of recession and cut the over inflated public sector. Labour need to face facts and own up to the truth - they cannot keep their pledges - no administration could - because of the need for change within the public sector. soton-mike80
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4:17pm Fri 25 May 12

George4th says...

sottondave wrote:
It will get very tiresome if whenever the council takes a decision or something happens Tories jump up and down and shout the roof is caving in and everything is a shambles.
The local tories haven't learnt yet that constantly shouting abuse does not work.
"It will get very tiresome if whenever the council takes a decision"
Labour take forever to make decisions, if at all, so there won't be many opportunities for Tories to shout abuse!!
[quote][p][bold]sottondave[/bold] wrote: It will get very tiresome if whenever the council takes a decision or something happens Tories jump up and down and shout the roof is caving in and everything is a shambles. The local tories haven't learnt yet that constantly shouting abuse does not work.[/p][/quote]"It will get very tiresome if whenever the council takes a decision" Labour take forever to make decisions, if at all, so there won't be many opportunities for Tories to shout abuse!! George4th
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4:30pm Fri 25 May 12

loosehead says...

sottondave wrote:
It will get very tiresome if whenever the council takes a decision or something happens Tories jump up and down and shout the roof is caving in and everything is a shambles.
The local tories haven't learnt yet that constantly shouting abuse does not work.
Is that Dave Furnell?
I e-mailed a response to my post on what Southampton & this area had to offer cruise ship passengers & tourists.
the post said the ships only told them of how to get to London & nothing else.
I know Jeremy Moulton was trying to get something in place with the cruise companies.
I asked Councillor Williams if the Labour council could put together a magazine showing what there is to do in Southampton & a short drive or ferry trip from this city I have had no reply so exactly what are you going to do to redress this problem?
[quote][p][bold]sottondave[/bold] wrote: It will get very tiresome if whenever the council takes a decision or something happens Tories jump up and down and shout the roof is caving in and everything is a shambles. The local tories haven't learnt yet that constantly shouting abuse does not work.[/p][/quote]Is that Dave Furnell? I e-mailed a response to my post on what Southampton & this area had to offer cruise ship passengers & tourists. the post said the ships only told them of how to get to London & nothing else. I know Jeremy Moulton was trying to get something in place with the cruise companies. I asked Councillor Williams if the Labour council could put together a magazine showing what there is to do in Southampton & a short drive or ferry trip from this city I have had no reply so exactly what are you going to do to redress this problem? loosehead
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4:34pm Fri 25 May 12

News Fanatic says...

Condor Man wrote:
This is sad news but only for the people of Southampton. I don't understand why people continue to vote Labour when their candidates are not up to the job. A bunch of public sector workers are never going to be objective when it comes to finance. Cllr Morrell at least came from a financial background. Heaven help the rest of us.
You only have to look at today's front pages of Tory supporting Daily Mail and Daily Telegraph to realise that after only two years in power the Conservatives are tarnished nationally. That's why people vote Labour - then there is Royston and his endless battle with the unions in Southampton.
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: This is sad news but only for the people of Southampton. I don't understand why people continue to vote Labour when their candidates are not up to the job. A bunch of public sector workers are never going to be objective when it comes to finance. Cllr Morrell at least came from a financial background. Heaven help the rest of us.[/p][/quote]You only have to look at today's front pages of Tory supporting Daily Mail and Daily Telegraph to realise that after only two years in power the Conservatives are tarnished nationally. That's why people vote Labour - then there is Royston and his endless battle with the unions in Southampton. News Fanatic
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4:42pm Fri 25 May 12

Shoong says...

News Fanatic wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
This is sad news but only for the people of Southampton. I don't understand why people continue to vote Labour when their candidates are not up to the job. A bunch of public sector workers are never going to be objective when it comes to finance. Cllr Morrell at least came from a financial background. Heaven help the rest of us.
You only have to look at today's front pages of Tory supporting Daily Mail and Daily Telegraph to realise that after only two years in power the Conservatives are tarnished nationally. That's why people vote Labour - then there is Royston and his endless battle with the unions in Southampton.
Incredible insight.
[quote][p][bold]News Fanatic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: This is sad news but only for the people of Southampton. I don't understand why people continue to vote Labour when their candidates are not up to the job. A bunch of public sector workers are never going to be objective when it comes to finance. Cllr Morrell at least came from a financial background. Heaven help the rest of us.[/p][/quote]You only have to look at today's front pages of Tory supporting Daily Mail and Daily Telegraph to realise that after only two years in power the Conservatives are tarnished nationally. That's why people vote Labour - then there is Royston and his endless battle with the unions in Southampton.[/p][/quote]Incredible insight. Shoong
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4:44pm Fri 25 May 12

cgfrost says...

soton-mike80 wrote:
cgfrost wrote:
The old council were making the best of a bad situation the new council are running away or lying to us. Between this and the hold on the Townhill park redevelopment I think we have gone to a far worse council.
Exactly - I agree with this statement wholeheartedly. By nature I am not an avid supporter of the Conservative political stance, but recently have been swayed because they are willing to do what is necessary to get this country out of recession and cut the over inflated public sector.

Labour need to face facts and own up to the truth - they cannot keep their pledges - no administration could - because of the need for change within the public sector.
Thanks, know what you mean about going more Conservative recently.
[quote][p][bold]soton-mike80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cgfrost[/bold] wrote: The old council were making the best of a bad situation the new council are running away or lying to us. Between this and the hold on the Townhill park redevelopment I think we have gone to a far worse council.[/p][/quote]Exactly - I agree with this statement wholeheartedly. By nature I am not an avid supporter of the Conservative political stance, but recently have been swayed because they are willing to do what is necessary to get this country out of recession and cut the over inflated public sector. Labour need to face facts and own up to the truth - they cannot keep their pledges - no administration could - because of the need for change within the public sector.[/p][/quote]Thanks, know what you mean about going more Conservative recently. cgfrost
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4:45pm Fri 25 May 12

southy says...

Condor Man wrote:
PB, strong stuff today but just keep it measured. We all know that this Labour group lack the talent and ability not only to resolve massive budget problems left over from the Bridle era but also having the vision to improve the city. We'll see over time how good the Tory council was for the city, hopefully by the time the next elections come along in 2014.
the troublr is condor that budget problem has got bigger underthe torys, and thats with a masive reduction in public services
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: PB, strong stuff today but just keep it measured. We all know that this Labour group lack the talent and ability not only to resolve massive budget problems left over from the Bridle era but also having the vision to improve the city. We'll see over time how good the Tory council was for the city, hopefully by the time the next elections come along in 2014.[/p][/quote]the troublr is condor that budget problem has got bigger underthe torys, and thats with a masive reduction in public services southy
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4:48pm Fri 25 May 12

Solomon's Boot says...

"You only have to look at today's front pages of Tory supporting Daily Mail and Daily Telegraph to realise that after only two years in power the Conservatives are tarnished nationally. That's why people vote Labour - then there is Royston and his endless battle with the unions in Southampton."


.....So, people vote Labour simply because the Tories are 'tarnished nationally?'

I always though Labour voters were VERY shallow minded!!
"You only have to look at today's front pages of Tory supporting Daily Mail and Daily Telegraph to realise that after only two years in power the Conservatives are tarnished nationally. That's why people vote Labour - then there is Royston and his endless battle with the unions in Southampton." .....So, people vote Labour simply because the Tories are 'tarnished nationally?' I always though Labour voters were VERY shallow minded!! Solomon's Boot
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4:56pm Fri 25 May 12

southy says...

The TUSC told you so.
The Torys planing to make £36 million of cuts over the next 2 years with the lost of just under 1,600 jobs gone.
The Labour Party was planning a £34 million of cuts over the next 2 years with the lost of about 1,500 jobs.
With more and more people being made unemployed, now where are you going to make the savings when the cash revenue coming in is getting a lot less. and more and more having to be paid out in benefits and/or reductions.
Its a big Black Hole that Capitalism has cause, 32 years of it, and its not going to get better till Capitalism is gone.
The TUSC told you so. The Torys planing to make £36 million of cuts over the next 2 years with the lost of just under 1,600 jobs gone. The Labour Party was planning a £34 million of cuts over the next 2 years with the lost of about 1,500 jobs. With more and more people being made unemployed, now where are you going to make the savings when the cash revenue coming in is getting a lot less. and more and more having to be paid out in benefits and/or reductions. Its a big Black Hole that Capitalism has cause, 32 years of it, and its not going to get better till Capitalism is gone. southy
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5:00pm Fri 25 May 12

southy says...

News Fanatic wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
This is sad news but only for the people of Southampton. I don't understand why people continue to vote Labour when their candidates are not up to the job. A bunch of public sector workers are never going to be objective when it comes to finance. Cllr Morrell at least came from a financial background. Heaven help the rest of us.
You only have to look at today's front pages of Tory supporting Daily Mail and Daily Telegraph to realise that after only two years in power the Conservatives are tarnished nationally. That's why people vote Labour - then there is Royston and his endless battle with the unions in Southampton.
But did you read a few pages on where it said Capitalism do not work and it was time to give Socialism a try out.
[quote][p][bold]News Fanatic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: This is sad news but only for the people of Southampton. I don't understand why people continue to vote Labour when their candidates are not up to the job. A bunch of public sector workers are never going to be objective when it comes to finance. Cllr Morrell at least came from a financial background. Heaven help the rest of us.[/p][/quote]You only have to look at today's front pages of Tory supporting Daily Mail and Daily Telegraph to realise that after only two years in power the Conservatives are tarnished nationally. That's why people vote Labour - then there is Royston and his endless battle with the unions in Southampton.[/p][/quote]But did you read a few pages on where it said Capitalism do not work and it was time to give Socialism a try out. southy
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5:02pm Fri 25 May 12

southy says...

sottondave wrote:
It will get very tiresome if whenever the council takes a decision or something happens Tories jump up and down and shout the roof is caving in and everything is a shambles.
The local tories haven't learnt yet that constantly shouting abuse does not work.
After 4 years of Labour supporting the Torys and voting with them in every cut that they made.
[quote][p][bold]sottondave[/bold] wrote: It will get very tiresome if whenever the council takes a decision or something happens Tories jump up and down and shout the roof is caving in and everything is a shambles. The local tories haven't learnt yet that constantly shouting abuse does not work.[/p][/quote]After 4 years of Labour supporting the Torys and voting with them in every cut that they made. southy
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5:06pm Fri 25 May 12

aldermoorboy says...

1/. Who is telling the truth, Williams or Morrell ? Labour must answer this, to Lie is wrong, someone should resign.Lone Ranger, Linesman please find out the truth.
2/. Labour appear not to understand finance, they cannot keep their promises.
3/. Labour now admit Morrell's position was not necessary, that was costing us £14,000 per year. What a waist of our money.
1/. Who is telling the truth, Williams or Morrell ? Labour must answer this, to Lie is wrong, someone should resign.Lone Ranger, Linesman please find out the truth. 2/. Labour appear not to understand finance, they cannot keep their promises. 3/. Labour now admit Morrell's position was not necessary, that was costing us £14,000 per year. What a waist of our money. aldermoorboy
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5:16pm Fri 25 May 12

southy says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
1/. Who is telling the truth, Williams or Morrell ? Labour must answer this, to Lie is wrong, someone should resign.Lone Ranger, Linesman please find out the truth.
2/. Labour appear not to understand finance, they cannot keep their promises.
3/. Labour now admit Morrell's position was not necessary, that was costing us £14,000 per year. What a waist of our money.
Even the Torys lied to the Public they too would not off kept there promises but then again they could afford to promise any thing, knew that they had lost election the May 3rd 2012 Election back in May 5th 2011
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: 1/. Who is telling the truth, Williams or Morrell ? Labour must answer this, to Lie is wrong, someone should resign.Lone Ranger, Linesman please find out the truth. 2/. Labour appear not to understand finance, they cannot keep their promises. 3/. Labour now admit Morrell's position was not necessary, that was costing us £14,000 per year. What a waist of our money.[/p][/quote]Even the Torys lied to the Public they too would not off kept there promises but then again they could afford to promise any thing, knew that they had lost election the May 3rd 2012 Election back in May 5th 2011 southy
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5:24pm Fri 25 May 12

DrPepper0806 says...

Laboured lied their way into office and now their lies will see them thrown out once the lies of the electorate are open! Williams, pack your bags... You so called 'leadership' is well and truly OVER!
Laboured lied their way into office and now their lies will see them thrown out once the lies of the electorate are open! Williams, pack your bags... You so called 'leadership' is well and truly OVER! DrPepper0806
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5:42pm Fri 25 May 12

The Wickham Man says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Dave of Dibden wrote:
Does rats and sinking ships come in to mind ????
Yes, by the look of it they are not jumping at the moment but are busy making holes at the bottom of their rightwing ship bit bigger
It's well known that you don't understand economics and you aren't very pleasant either, hating people for where they were born, or how they talk or who they vote for just because they don't agree with you. But I suppose when you are at the extreme end of the fascist left everything else is "right wing" by comparison, so can you be a bit more specific?
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave of Dibden[/bold] wrote: Does rats and sinking ships come in to mind ????[/p][/quote]Yes, by the look of it they are not jumping at the moment but are busy making holes at the bottom of their rightwing ship bit bigger[/p][/quote]It's well known that you don't understand economics and you aren't very pleasant either, hating people for where they were born, or how they talk or who they vote for just because they don't agree with you. But I suppose when you are at the extreme end of the fascist left everything else is "right wing" by comparison, so can you be a bit more specific? The Wickham Man
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5:48pm Fri 25 May 12

Lone Ranger. says...

Well what a predictable range of posts from the old, and failed blue brigade. Talk about mountains and mole hills.
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Perhaps the issue is not so much about who or how he resigned, or about the cuts to come ..... BUT ... how about the size and future size of the great black hole that was discovered when the books were gone through.
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Knowing the state of the finances and the massive shortfall to come the Tories still plundered ahead with ...............
1/. Using £10m of TAXPAYERS MONEY to bail out the Sea Museum despite saying that all of the money would be raised by grants..... Liars.
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2/ Signed up to a £500m CCTV contract out of spite despite it being challenged before the elections ..... Spiterful cost to taxpayer
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3/. Objected to the review of the £100m Townhill Park estate when Labour queried costs.
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4/. Gambled £12m on court action re the council dispute which was brought about by pig headed leadership.
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Despite the size of the present and future Black Hole still continued to WASTE £000's on "pie in the Sky" projects than had no hope of coming to fruition.
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Still they continued to spend trying to boost the Ego's of a particular leader without any success.
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Cllr Morrell couldnt hack it .... so what !! It's up to him to live with it
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Well what a predictable range of posts from the old, and failed blue brigade. Talk about mountains and mole hills. . Perhaps the issue is not so much about who or how he resigned, or about the cuts to come ..... BUT ... how about the size and future size of the great black hole that was discovered when the books were gone through. . Knowing the state of the finances and the massive shortfall to come the Tories still plundered ahead with ............... 1/. Using £10m of TAXPAYERS MONEY to bail out the Sea Museum despite saying that all of the money would be raised by grants..... Liars. . 2/ Signed up to a £500m CCTV contract out of spite despite it being challenged before the elections ..... Spiterful cost to taxpayer . 3/. Objected to the review of the £100m Townhill Park estate when Labour queried costs. . 4/. Gambled £12m on court action re the council dispute which was brought about by pig headed leadership. . Despite the size of the present and future Black Hole still continued to WASTE £000's on "pie in the Sky" projects than had no hope of coming to fruition. . Still they continued to spend trying to boost the Ego's of a particular leader without any success. . Cllr Morrell couldnt hack it .... so what !! It's up to him to live with it . Lone Ranger.
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6:08pm Fri 25 May 12

southy says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Dave of Dibden wrote:
Does rats and sinking ships come in to mind ????
Yes, by the look of it they are not jumping at the moment but are busy making holes at the bottom of their rightwing ship bit bigger
It's well known that you don't understand economics and you aren't very pleasant either, hating people for where they were born, or how they talk or who they vote for just because they don't agree with you. But I suppose when you are at the extreme end of the fascist left everything else is "right wing" by comparison, so can you be a bit more specific?
There is no such thing as Fascist left, so it just go to show how much you know.
Its Extreme Right Wing that are Fascist, and every thing else looks left wing.
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave of Dibden[/bold] wrote: Does rats and sinking ships come in to mind ????[/p][/quote]Yes, by the look of it they are not jumping at the moment but are busy making holes at the bottom of their rightwing ship bit bigger[/p][/quote]It's well known that you don't understand economics and you aren't very pleasant either, hating people for where they were born, or how they talk or who they vote for just because they don't agree with you. But I suppose when you are at the extreme end of the fascist left everything else is "right wing" by comparison, so can you be a bit more specific?[/p][/quote]There is no such thing as Fascist left, so it just go to show how much you know. Its Extreme Right Wing that are Fascist, and every thing else looks left wing. southy
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6:15pm Fri 25 May 12

George4th says...

Not only do we have Labour councillors running for cover but we have their followers dishing out false claims, false hope and false promises.
>
Someone on here continually posts misinformation and exaggerates to the point of copying Grimms Fairy Tales!
e.g. He keeps posting that the last council signed a £500 million pound contract for CCTV. It was outsourced (outsourcing being common practice these days) at £50 million pounds - only a mere difference of £450 million
pounds. His other posts give similar misinformation!
>
Maybe Mr Morrell was using the same formula?!
Not only do we have Labour councillors running for cover but we have their followers dishing out false claims, false hope and false promises. > Someone on here continually posts misinformation and exaggerates to the point of copying Grimms Fairy Tales! e.g. He keeps posting that the last council signed a £500 million pound contract for CCTV. It was outsourced (outsourcing being common practice these days) at £50 million pounds - only a mere difference of £450 million pounds. His other posts give similar misinformation! > Maybe Mr Morrell was using the same formula?! George4th
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6:23pm Fri 25 May 12

aldermoorboy says...

Thanks Lone Ranger for the reply, we agree to see things differently.
So it was Morrell who lied? Should he resign for that, or is ok to tell a lie.Maybe Morrell should comment.
Thanks Lone Ranger for the reply, we agree to see things differently. So it was Morrell who lied? Should he resign for that, or is ok to tell a lie.Maybe Morrell should comment. aldermoorboy
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6:30pm Fri 25 May 12

southy says...

George4th wrote:
Not only do we have Labour councillors running for cover but we have their followers dishing out false claims, false hope and false promises.
>
Someone on here continually posts misinformation and exaggerates to the point of copying Grimms Fairy Tales!
e.g. He keeps posting that the last council signed a £500 million pound contract for CCTV. It was outsourced (outsourcing being common practice these days) at £50 million pounds - only a mere difference of £450 million
pounds. His other posts give similar misinformation!
>
Maybe Mr Morrell was using the same formula?!
Even outsourcing at a cost of £50 million is a cost that the council could not afford when it only cost a few million to run by the council.

The main thing is here is what is the connection between Royston Smith and Belfor beatty and other contracts like the Sure Start contracts awarded to sister company Mansel and other contracts
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: Not only do we have Labour councillors running for cover but we have their followers dishing out false claims, false hope and false promises. > Someone on here continually posts misinformation and exaggerates to the point of copying Grimms Fairy Tales! e.g. He keeps posting that the last council signed a £500 million pound contract for CCTV. It was outsourced (outsourcing being common practice these days) at £50 million pounds - only a mere difference of £450 million pounds. His other posts give similar misinformation! > Maybe Mr Morrell was using the same formula?![/p][/quote]Even outsourcing at a cost of £50 million is a cost that the council could not afford when it only cost a few million to run by the council. The main thing is here is what is the connection between Royston Smith and Belfor beatty and other contracts like the Sure Start contracts awarded to sister company Mansel and other contracts southy
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6:30pm Fri 25 May 12

Lone Ranger. says...

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As posted from a rather biased Tory camp ......... quote "There's a conspicuously
loud silence from those who wanted a Labour council.
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Its probably because we are working and paying taxes so you can enjoy the benefits that you claim ..........
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. . As posted from a rather biased Tory camp ......... quote "There's a conspicuously loud silence from those who wanted a Labour council. . Its probably because we are working and paying taxes so you can enjoy the benefits that you claim .......... . Lone Ranger.
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6:32pm Fri 25 May 12

Lone Ranger. says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Thanks Lone Ranger for the reply, we agree to see things differently.
So it was Morrell who lied? Should he resign for that, or is ok to tell a lie.Maybe Morrell should comment.
Oh dear sir if we want to compare lies how about the one that i have mentioned ........... Taxpayer money and the Sea Museum.
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[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Thanks Lone Ranger for the reply, we agree to see things differently. So it was Morrell who lied? Should he resign for that, or is ok to tell a lie.Maybe Morrell should comment.[/p][/quote]Oh dear sir if we want to compare lies how about the one that i have mentioned ........... Taxpayer money and the Sea Museum. . Lone Ranger.
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6:37pm Fri 25 May 12

The Wickham Man says...

southy wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Dave of Dibden wrote:
Does rats and sinking ships come in to mind ????
Yes, by the look of it they are not jumping at the moment but are busy making holes at the bottom of their rightwing ship bit bigger
It's well known that you don't understand economics and you aren't very pleasant either, hating people for where they were born, or how they talk or who they vote for just because they don't agree with you. But I suppose when you are at the extreme end of the fascist left everything else is "right wing" by comparison, so can you be a bit more specific?
There is no such thing as Fascist left, so it just go to show how much you know.
Its Extreme Right Wing that are Fascist, and every thing else looks left wing.
Yes there is you moron - there is no difference if you were bright enough to think about it. Politics is circular - the two extremes meet on the far side of the circle. Autocratic rule by a junta, a poliburo or "workers council" - it makes no difference. Intolerance - judging people by where they were born or how they talk - judging and hating whole groups of people without knowing anything about them. Paramjit is a nasty intolerant fascit who thinks he can get away with it because he quote Gandhi. Well I quote Keats- so what. Somebody needs to show this hypocrite up for what he is - and that goes for his dummy too.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave of Dibden[/bold] wrote: Does rats and sinking ships come in to mind ????[/p][/quote]Yes, by the look of it they are not jumping at the moment but are busy making holes at the bottom of their rightwing ship bit bigger[/p][/quote]It's well known that you don't understand economics and you aren't very pleasant either, hating people for where they were born, or how they talk or who they vote for just because they don't agree with you. But I suppose when you are at the extreme end of the fascist left everything else is "right wing" by comparison, so can you be a bit more specific?[/p][/quote]There is no such thing as Fascist left, so it just go to show how much you know. Its Extreme Right Wing that are Fascist, and every thing else looks left wing.[/p][/quote]Yes there is you moron - there is no difference if you were bright enough to think about it. Politics is circular - the two extremes meet on the far side of the circle. Autocratic rule by a junta, a poliburo or "workers council" - it makes no difference. Intolerance - judging people by where they were born or how they talk - judging and hating whole groups of people without knowing anything about them. Paramjit is a nasty intolerant fascit who thinks he can get away with it because he quote Gandhi. Well I quote Keats- so what. Somebody needs to show this hypocrite up for what he is - and that goes for his dummy too. The Wickham Man
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6:38pm Fri 25 May 12

aldermoorboy says...

Morrell and your supporters, are you going to defend yourself, or are you going to allow the Williams mob to destroy your name?
Morrell and your supporters, are you going to defend yourself, or are you going to allow the Williams mob to destroy your name? aldermoorboy
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6:50pm Fri 25 May 12

Lone Ranger. says...

Oh dear ..... Should have typed £50m .. hope I didnt mislead anyone into thinking it was a large amount !!!!!
.
Oh dear ..... Should have typed £50m .. hope I didnt mislead anyone into thinking it was a large amount !!!!! . Lone Ranger.
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7:05pm Fri 25 May 12

Condor Man says...

Perhaps we need to know why Barnes-Andrews stepped down too? This Labour administration are looking as poor as the one that was quite rightly rejected in the past. It seems to me that they got in promising the Unions everything under the sun, now they realise why Royston had to make the cuts he did.
Perhaps we need to know why Barnes-Andrews stepped down too? This Labour administration are looking as poor as the one that was quite rightly rejected in the past. It seems to me that they got in promising the Unions everything under the sun, now they realise why Royston had to make the cuts he did. Condor Man
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7:32pm Fri 25 May 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Dave of Dibden wrote:
Does rats and sinking ships come in to mind ????
Yes, by the look of it they are not jumping at the moment but are busy making holes at the bottom of their rightwing ship bit bigger
It's well known that you don't understand economics and you aren't very pleasant either, hating people for where they were born, or how they talk or who they vote for just because they don't agree with you. But I suppose when you are at the extreme end of the fascist left everything else is "right wing" by comparison, so can you be a bit more specific?
There is no such thing as Fascist left, so it just go to show how much you know.
Its Extreme Right Wing that are Fascist, and every thing else looks left wing.
What a completely stupid thing to say - as a so called student of history (or Google) you should know that is not the case.

You live in denial & are completly blinkered.

The TUSC told you so 'ner ner ner ner'.

You mean no-one listed to your extremist leftist views? Well I'm shocked.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave of Dibden[/bold] wrote: Does rats and sinking ships come in to mind ????[/p][/quote]Yes, by the look of it they are not jumping at the moment but are busy making holes at the bottom of their rightwing ship bit bigger[/p][/quote]It's well known that you don't understand economics and you aren't very pleasant either, hating people for where they were born, or how they talk or who they vote for just because they don't agree with you. But I suppose when you are at the extreme end of the fascist left everything else is "right wing" by comparison, so can you be a bit more specific?[/p][/quote]There is no such thing as Fascist left, so it just go to show how much you know. Its Extreme Right Wing that are Fascist, and every thing else looks left wing.[/p][/quote]What a completely stupid thing to say - as a so called student of history (or Google) you should know that is not the case. You live in denial & are completly blinkered. The TUSC told you so 'ner ner ner ner'. You mean no-one listed to your extremist leftist views? Well I'm shocked. Shoong
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7:37pm Fri 25 May 12

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Must be low Tide again skint again then!
Must be low Tide again skint again then! Fatty x Ford Worker
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7:38pm Fri 25 May 12

Shoong says...

sottondave wrote:
It will get very tiresome if whenever the council takes a decision or something happens Tories jump up and down and shout the roof is caving in and everything is a shambles.
The local tories haven't learnt yet that constantly shouting abuse does not work.
You must be new around here Dave.

If my memory serves Royston Smith was personally attacked by all & sundry on this very site.

IF Mr Williams fails to deliver I wonder if those vety same people come with the same? I doubt that somehow.
[quote][p][bold]sottondave[/bold] wrote: It will get very tiresome if whenever the council takes a decision or something happens Tories jump up and down and shout the roof is caving in and everything is a shambles. The local tories haven't learnt yet that constantly shouting abuse does not work.[/p][/quote]You must be new around here Dave. If my memory serves Royston Smith was personally attacked by all & sundry on this very site. IF Mr Williams fails to deliver I wonder if those vety same people come with the same? I doubt that somehow. Shoong
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8:04pm Fri 25 May 12

southy says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
southy wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Dave of Dibden wrote:
Does rats and sinking ships come in to mind ????
Yes, by the look of it they are not jumping at the moment but are busy making holes at the bottom of their rightwing ship bit bigger
It's well known that you don't understand economics and you aren't very pleasant either, hating people for where they were born, or how they talk or who they vote for just because they don't agree with you. But I suppose when you are at the extreme end of the fascist left everything else is "right wing" by comparison, so can you be a bit more specific?
There is no such thing as Fascist left, so it just go to show how much you know.
Its Extreme Right Wing that are Fascist, and every thing else looks left wing.
Yes there is you moron - there is no difference if you were bright enough to think about it. Politics is circular - the two extremes meet on the far side of the circle. Autocratic rule by a junta, a poliburo or "workers council" - it makes no difference. Intolerance - judging people by where they were born or how they talk - judging and hating whole groups of people without knowing anything about them. Paramjit is a nasty intolerant fascit who thinks he can get away with it because he quote Gandhi. Well I quote Keats- so what. Somebody needs to show this hypocrite up for what he is - and that goes for his dummy too.
Far Left wing is not Fascist, Fascim is a extreme right wing policy, there is no circle its a figment of your imagination,
Politics is flat line Left wing aka Socialism Economic and Political Policy, and Right wing aka Capitalist Economic and Political Policy. any one with an ounce of knowledge of Politics knows this.
Juntas are right wing and are also know as Dictatorships, Workers Committees are left wing this is also known as Co-ops.
If you know any thing about politics then what you said would make you a hypocrite a false propaganist.
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave of Dibden[/bold] wrote: Does rats and sinking ships come in to mind ????[/p][/quote]Yes, by the look of it they are not jumping at the moment but are busy making holes at the bottom of their rightwing ship bit bigger[/p][/quote]It's well known that you don't understand economics and you aren't very pleasant either, hating people for where they were born, or how they talk or who they vote for just because they don't agree with you. But I suppose when you are at the extreme end of the fascist left everything else is "right wing" by comparison, so can you be a bit more specific?[/p][/quote]There is no such thing as Fascist left, so it just go to show how much you know. Its Extreme Right Wing that are Fascist, and every thing else looks left wing.[/p][/quote]Yes there is you moron - there is no difference if you were bright enough to think about it. Politics is circular - the two extremes meet on the far side of the circle. Autocratic rule by a junta, a poliburo or "workers council" - it makes no difference. Intolerance - judging people by where they were born or how they talk - judging and hating whole groups of people without knowing anything about them. Paramjit is a nasty intolerant fascit who thinks he can get away with it because he quote Gandhi. Well I quote Keats- so what. Somebody needs to show this hypocrite up for what he is - and that goes for his dummy too.[/p][/quote]Far Left wing is not Fascist, Fascim is a extreme right wing policy, there is no circle its a figment of your imagination, Politics is flat line Left wing aka Socialism Economic and Political Policy, and Right wing aka Capitalist Economic and Political Policy. any one with an ounce of knowledge of Politics knows this. Juntas are right wing and are also know as Dictatorships, Workers Committees are left wing this is also known as Co-ops. If you know any thing about politics then what you said would make you a hypocrite a false propaganist. southy
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8:47pm Fri 25 May 12

james47 says...

southy wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
southy wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Dave of Dibden wrote:
Does rats and sinking ships come in to mind ????
Yes, by the look of it they are not jumping at the moment but are busy making holes at the bottom of their rightwing ship bit bigger
It's well known that you don't understand economics and you aren't very pleasant either, hating people for where they were born, or how they talk or who they vote for just because they don't agree with you. But I suppose when you are at the extreme end of the fascist left everything else is "right wing" by comparison, so can you be a bit more specific?
There is no such thing as Fascist left, so it just go to show how much you know.
Its Extreme Right Wing that are Fascist, and every thing else looks left wing.
Yes there is you moron - there is no difference if you were bright enough to think about it. Politics is circular - the two extremes meet on the far side of the circle. Autocratic rule by a junta, a poliburo or "workers council" - it makes no difference. Intolerance - judging people by where they were born or how they talk - judging and hating whole groups of people without knowing anything about them. Paramjit is a nasty intolerant fascit who thinks he can get away with it because he quote Gandhi. Well I quote Keats- so what. Somebody needs to show this hypocrite up for what he is - and that goes for his dummy too.
Far Left wing is not Fascist, Fascim is a extreme right wing policy, there is no circle its a figment of your imagination,
Politics is flat line Left wing aka Socialism Economic and Political Policy, and Right wing aka Capitalist Economic and Political Policy. any one with an ounce of knowledge of Politics knows this.
Juntas are right wing and are also know as Dictatorships, Workers Committees are left wing this is also known as Co-ops.
If you know any thing about politics then what you said would make you a hypocrite a false propaganist.
Not quite.

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Fascism
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave of Dibden[/bold] wrote: Does rats and sinking ships come in to mind ????[/p][/quote]Yes, by the look of it they are not jumping at the moment but are busy making holes at the bottom of their rightwing ship bit bigger[/p][/quote]It's well known that you don't understand economics and you aren't very pleasant either, hating people for where they were born, or how they talk or who they vote for just because they don't agree with you. But I suppose when you are at the extreme end of the fascist left everything else is "right wing" by comparison, so can you be a bit more specific?[/p][/quote]There is no such thing as Fascist left, so it just go to show how much you know. Its Extreme Right Wing that are Fascist, and every thing else looks left wing.[/p][/quote]Yes there is you moron - there is no difference if you were bright enough to think about it. Politics is circular - the two extremes meet on the far side of the circle. Autocratic rule by a junta, a poliburo or "workers council" - it makes no difference. Intolerance - judging people by where they were born or how they talk - judging and hating whole groups of people without knowing anything about them. Paramjit is a nasty intolerant fascit who thinks he can get away with it because he quote Gandhi. Well I quote Keats- so what. Somebody needs to show this hypocrite up for what he is - and that goes for his dummy too.[/p][/quote]Far Left wing is not Fascist, Fascim is a extreme right wing policy, there is no circle its a figment of your imagination, Politics is flat line Left wing aka Socialism Economic and Political Policy, and Right wing aka Capitalist Economic and Political Policy. any one with an ounce of knowledge of Politics knows this. Juntas are right wing and are also know as Dictatorships, Workers Committees are left wing this is also known as Co-ops. If you know any thing about politics then what you said would make you a hypocrite a false propaganist.[/p][/quote]Not quite. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Fascism james47
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8:57pm Fri 25 May 12

james47 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Oh dear ..... Should have typed £50m .. hope I didnt mislead anyone into thinking it was a large amount !!!!!
.
Thats OK Lone Ranger...we expect you to mislead everyone

Everyone here knows that you are:

1. A liar

2. A Labour apologist
(try and make your excuses for these scum)

http://labour25.com/


3. and a puppet of Labour MP John Denham...

ps--are the £1500 arm chairs bought at taxpayer expense comfy?

http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/news/4446247.
Denham_reveals_all_t
o_the_Echo_on_his_ex
pense_claims/
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Oh dear ..... Should have typed £50m .. hope I didnt mislead anyone into thinking it was a large amount !!!!! .[/p][/quote]Thats OK Lone Ranger...we expect you to mislead everyone Everyone here knows that you are: 1. A liar 2. A Labour apologist (try and make your excuses for these scum) http://labour25.com/ 3. and a puppet of Labour MP John Denham... ps--are the £1500 arm chairs bought at taxpayer expense comfy? http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/4446247. Denham_reveals_all_t o_the_Echo_on_his_ex pense_claims/ james47
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9:03pm Fri 25 May 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Southy,

Please note the common denominators between most of obvious supporters of NuLabour and their supposed opponents on this site. Like commitment of their national parties to cutting services and destroying jobs while robbing the poor to help the super rich most if not all their local supporters are only too keen to start attacking socialists and TUSC who oppose those wicked policies. Because they do not want us to upset their shared apple cart
.
NuLabour leadership nationally is criticising Tory Prime Minister over Coulson and are demanding the head of Hunt. Because the Prime Minister made bad judgement while employing Coulson and they are alleging that Hunt was less than honest
.
But here in Southampton their leader clearly made bad judgement when appointing Keith Morrell to cabinet post, and it is not alleged but Keith himself has admitted that he told ‘LIES’
.
But if not all some supporters of Tories rather than zooming on NuLabour’s hypocrisy are more interested in attacking real socialists and TUSC. Obviously it has got to be a matter of honour amongst thieves
.
Most if not all of them have thrown consistency and objective thinking to the wind, in eagerness to protect NuLabourites in whose hands Tory policies remains safe. Their dislike for those who tell the truth, as proven in this case, overrides their minor personality differences, as their commitment to Right of Thatcher policy serves like super glue
.
My advice to you. Just ignore all ‘ROT’ parties and keep on telling the truth, when it comes to campaigning against dishonesty in public life whether friend or foe should not be the factor for consideration. That is why we should argue for removal of self confessed liar Keith Morrell from the Council and enquiry for truth into what exactly took place between him and Cllr. Williams and why Williams made lousy decision? Why NuLabourites still want him to continue as Leader of the Council?
Southy, Please note the common denominators between most of obvious supporters of NuLabour and their supposed opponents on this site. Like commitment of their national parties to cutting services and destroying jobs while robbing the poor to help the super rich most if not all their local supporters are only too keen to start attacking socialists and TUSC who oppose those wicked policies. Because they do not want us to upset their shared apple cart . NuLabour leadership nationally is criticising Tory Prime Minister over Coulson and are demanding the head of Hunt. Because the Prime Minister made bad judgement while employing Coulson and they are alleging that Hunt was less than honest . But here in Southampton their leader clearly made bad judgement when appointing Keith Morrell to cabinet post, and it is not alleged but Keith himself has admitted that he told ‘LIES’ . But if not all some supporters of Tories rather than zooming on NuLabour’s hypocrisy are more interested in attacking real socialists and TUSC. Obviously it has got to be a matter of honour amongst thieves . Most if not all of them have thrown consistency and objective thinking to the wind, in eagerness to protect NuLabourites in whose hands Tory policies remains safe. Their dislike for those who tell the truth, as proven in this case, overrides their minor personality differences, as their commitment to Right of Thatcher policy serves like super glue . My advice to you. Just ignore all ‘ROT’ parties and keep on telling the truth, when it comes to campaigning against dishonesty in public life whether friend or foe should not be the factor for consideration. That is why we should argue for removal of self confessed liar Keith Morrell from the Council and enquiry for truth into what exactly took place between him and Cllr. Williams and why Williams made lousy decision? Why NuLabourites still want him to continue as Leader of the Council? Paramjit Bahia
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9:07pm Fri 25 May 12

Lone Ranger. says...

james47 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Oh dear ..... Should have typed £50m .. hope I didnt mislead anyone into thinking it was a large amount !!!!!
.
Thats OK Lone Ranger...we expect you to mislead everyone

Everyone here knows that you are:

1. A liar

2. A Labour apologist
(try and make your excuses for these scum)

http://labour25.com/



3. and a puppet of Labour MP John Denham...

ps--are the £1500 arm chairs bought at taxpayer expense comfy?

http://www.dailyecho

.co.uk/news/4446247.

Denham_reveals_all_t

o_the_Echo_on_his_ex

pense_claims/
Ahh James47 is that your age in months or your IQ.
.
If its your age then i understand the contents of your post.
.
If its your IQ then its the equivilent to a rabid dog on heat.
.
Anyway at last you have come out of your rats hiding place.
.
You still havent the ba**s to retract your thief statement have you.
.
By the way ..... your post is as pathetic as you ....... Tory Boy
[quote][p][bold]james47[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Oh dear ..... Should have typed £50m .. hope I didnt mislead anyone into thinking it was a large amount !!!!! .[/p][/quote]Thats OK Lone Ranger...we expect you to mislead everyone Everyone here knows that you are: 1. A liar 2. A Labour apologist (try and make your excuses for these scum) http://labour25.com/ 3. and a puppet of Labour MP John Denham... ps--are the £1500 arm chairs bought at taxpayer expense comfy? http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/4446247. Denham_reveals_all_t o_the_Echo_on_his_ex pense_claims/[/p][/quote]Ahh James47 is that your age in months or your IQ. . If its your age then i understand the contents of your post. . If its your IQ then its the equivilent to a rabid dog on heat. . Anyway at last you have come out of your rats hiding place. . You still havent the ba**s to retract your thief statement have you. . By the way ..... your post is as pathetic as you ....... Tory Boy Lone Ranger.
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9:21pm Fri 25 May 12

james47 says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
It does not give me any satisfaction in saying ‘I told you so’
.
These NuLabourites pulled a few fast ones on public with the help of their opportunist mates who are full time well paid officers in various unions. Money provided from workers contribution was abused for misleading the masses with false promises, and undermining the truths which underfunded small socialist parties like TUSC tried to tell
.
Considering Cllr. Keith Morell has now himself admitted to the Echo that he ‘LIED’ about his health, he should do the only decent thing and RESIGN
.
Sadly disturbingly large numbers of people have lost faith in politicians. If self confessed liars like Keith are allowed to continue holding respectable positions that will only do more damage to our democracy by eroding people’s faith even more
.

Hope Echo Editor Ian Murray will encourage bit of investigative journalism and dig deeper for the real truth. Questions should be asked who else was involved in original plot to tell an out right ‘LIE’ to mislead us the people
.
Yes it is a well known fact that as a socialist I am not too keen on NuLabourites, but as I still have some friends in their party who in my opinion are genuinely decent but bit misguided due to loyalty to brand ‘Labour’, my friendly and sincere advice to them will be to make sure that not only Keith Morell’s head (political one) should roll immediately others should also be made to hit the dust. Please do that before it is too late
I am NOT a socialist but I have some respect to some of your viewpoints. At least you are not a hypocrite like the rest of the Labour party. You believe in what you say, (though I disagree with the majority of it)

Overall the problem with Labour politicians like Richard Williams is that they consistently
OVER promise and
UNDER deliver. They consistently lie to the public and everyone in their desperate attempt to get into power.

Like the Greek Politicians:
"Austerity-no! Euro-Yes"
Sorry --you cant have your cake and eat it too. the Germans aren't going to bail you out forever for your profligacy.

Joseph de Maistre who wrote in 1811 "Every nation gets the government it deserves."

Like the people of Greece, the people of Southampton deserve the council they have elected.

Based on national Polls Labour would have won control of SCC regardless of what Labour promised to do (or not do) locally. But Williams (champagne socialist living in Highfield and driving a Porsche while representing woolston) instead promised the earth--promised the unions their money back, no job losses, a rainbow and a magical pot of gold. Why is it that labour keeps lying to the electorate? Is it maybe because the public are stupid enough to believe their porkie pies? Just like the Greeks....

How long before all of these promises are broken ???

Labours 50 pledge Promise:

http://southamptonla
bour.files.wordpress
.com/2012/04/printer
-friendly-manifesto.
pdf
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: It does not give me any satisfaction in saying ‘I told you so’ . These NuLabourites pulled a few fast ones on public with the help of their opportunist mates who are full time well paid officers in various unions. Money provided from workers contribution was abused for misleading the masses with false promises, and undermining the truths which underfunded small socialist parties like TUSC tried to tell . Considering Cllr. Keith Morell has now himself admitted to the Echo that he ‘LIED’ about his health, he should do the only decent thing and RESIGN . Sadly disturbingly large numbers of people have lost faith in politicians. If self confessed liars like Keith are allowed to continue holding respectable positions that will only do more damage to our democracy by eroding people’s faith even more . Hope Echo Editor Ian Murray will encourage bit of investigative journalism and dig deeper for the real truth. Questions should be asked who else was involved in original plot to tell an out right ‘LIE’ to mislead us the people . Yes it is a well known fact that as a socialist I am not too keen on NuLabourites, but as I still have some friends in their party who in my opinion are genuinely decent but bit misguided due to loyalty to brand ‘Labour’, my friendly and sincere advice to them will be to make sure that not only Keith Morell’s head (political one) should roll immediately others should also be made to hit the dust. Please do that before it is too late[/p][/quote]I am NOT a socialist but I have some respect to some of your viewpoints. At least you are not a hypocrite like the rest of the Labour party. You believe in what you say, (though I disagree with the majority of it) Overall the problem with Labour politicians like Richard Williams is that they consistently OVER promise and UNDER deliver. They consistently lie to the public and everyone in their desperate attempt to get into power. Like the Greek Politicians: "Austerity-no! Euro-Yes" Sorry --you cant have your cake and eat it too. the Germans aren't going to bail you out forever for your profligacy. Joseph de Maistre who wrote in 1811 "Every nation gets the government it deserves." Like the people of Greece, the people of Southampton deserve the council they have elected. Based on national Polls Labour would have won control of SCC regardless of what Labour promised to do (or not do) locally. But Williams (champagne socialist living in Highfield and driving a Porsche while representing woolston) instead promised the earth--promised the unions their money back, no job losses, a rainbow and a magical pot of gold. Why is it that labour keeps lying to the electorate? Is it maybe because the public are stupid enough to believe their porkie pies? Just like the Greeks.... How long before all of these promises are broken ??? Labours 50 pledge Promise: http://southamptonla bour.files.wordpress .com/2012/04/printer -friendly-manifesto. pdf james47
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9:25pm Fri 25 May 12

loosehead says...

Well I see Lone Ranger can't admit when he & his Labour Party Idols have got it wrong or have been lying he just comes out with posts like the above rude & insulting.
Barnes Andrews steps down as he can't trust Williams on refuse collections which loe ranger & his ilk have been telling us won't be touched?
Now Morrel as after months Of Royston telling the voters & anyone who would listen that the Government were cutting another £45million from the council budget this year so Labours promises couldn't be kept with out huge job losses & huge council tax rises in 2013.
Royston was berated & we had some Jackarse going on about a one off payment for Sea City museum & now about a deal that would save this city a lot of money?
Now Morrel can see Royston was telling the truth he doesn't want to be the man to deliver the cuts or disappoint the council workers so he wanted to resign he was told to lie about his reasons to make Williams look squeky clean?
Does Lone Ranger or any of the posters who slated Royston come on here & attack Williams NO they stick to the only song they know & slate any one who disagrees with them.
Well I see Lone Ranger can't admit when he & his Labour Party Idols have got it wrong or have been lying he just comes out with posts like the above rude & insulting. Barnes Andrews steps down as he can't trust Williams on refuse collections which loe ranger & his ilk have been telling us won't be touched? Now Morrel as after months Of Royston telling the voters & anyone who would listen that the Government were cutting another £45million from the council budget this year so Labours promises couldn't be kept with out huge job losses & huge council tax rises in 2013. Royston was berated & we had some Jackarse going on about a one off payment for Sea City museum & now about a deal that would save this city a lot of money? Now Morrel can see Royston was telling the truth he doesn't want to be the man to deliver the cuts or disappoint the council workers so he wanted to resign he was told to lie about his reasons to make Williams look squeky clean? Does Lone Ranger or any of the posters who slated Royston come on here & attack Williams NO they stick to the only song they know & slate any one who disagrees with them. loosehead
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9:30pm Fri 25 May 12

james47 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
james47 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Oh dear ..... Should have typed £50m .. hope I didnt mislead anyone into thinking it was a large amount !!!!!
.
Thats OK Lone Ranger...we expect you to mislead everyone

Everyone here knows that you are:

1. A liar

2. A Labour apologist
(try and make your excuses for these scum)

http://labour25.com/




3. and a puppet of Labour MP John Denham...

ps--are the £1500 arm chairs bought at taxpayer expense comfy?

http://www.dailyecho


.co.uk/news/4446247.


Denham_reveals_all_t


o_the_Echo_on_his_ex


pense_claims/
Ahh James47 is that your age in months or your IQ.
.
If its your age then i understand the contents of your post.
.
If its your IQ then its the equivilent to a rabid dog on heat.
.
Anyway at last you have come out of your rats hiding place.
.
You still havent the ba**s to retract your thief statement have you.
.
By the way ..... your post is as pathetic as you ....... Tory Boy
http://www.famousquo
tesabout.com/quote/L
ike-being-savaged-by
/180507
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]james47[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Oh dear ..... Should have typed £50m .. hope I didnt mislead anyone into thinking it was a large amount !!!!! .[/p][/quote]Thats OK Lone Ranger...we expect you to mislead everyone Everyone here knows that you are: 1. A liar 2. A Labour apologist (try and make your excuses for these scum) http://labour25.com/ 3. and a puppet of Labour MP John Denham... ps--are the £1500 arm chairs bought at taxpayer expense comfy? http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/4446247. Denham_reveals_all_t o_the_Echo_on_his_ex pense_claims/[/p][/quote]Ahh James47 is that your age in months or your IQ. . If its your age then i understand the contents of your post. . If its your IQ then its the equivilent to a rabid dog on heat. . Anyway at last you have come out of your rats hiding place. . You still havent the ba**s to retract your thief statement have you. . By the way ..... your post is as pathetic as you ....... Tory Boy[/p][/quote]http://www.famousquo tesabout.com/quote/L ike-being-savaged-by /180507 james47
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9:44pm Fri 25 May 12

OceansofRed says...

Lone Ranger as you are being paid by the public purse to be a researcher for a Labour politician perhaps you would have the good grace to admit the following.

Labour are going to have to make cuts in Southampton.

And to restore the pay cuts the cuts will need to be 7 million a year deeper as that was the amount saved by cutting the workers pay.
Lone Ranger as you are being paid by the public purse to be a researcher for a Labour politician perhaps you would have the good grace to admit the following. Labour are going to have to make cuts in Southampton. And to restore the pay cuts the cuts will need to be 7 million a year deeper as that was the amount saved by cutting the workers pay. OceansofRed
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5:34am Sat 26 May 12

Verloren Hoop says...

It doesn't matter which side of the polical spectrum you come from, economics is no respecter of parties. We need a technocratic council in Southampton to gets us out of the financial mess that we are in. Is it possible to call in the Receiver for a council?
It doesn't matter which side of the polical spectrum you come from, economics is no respecter of parties. We need a technocratic council in Southampton to gets us out of the financial mess that we are in. Is it possible to call in the Receiver for a council? Verloren Hoop
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8:18am Sat 26 May 12

Condor Man says...

Can we have confirmation that Lone Ranger is still in the pocket of Denham? I like the idea of a technocractic council as they have in Italy at the moment. Councillors on both sides are not of the right calibre to make drastic decisions. We've seen Morrell bottle it, I wonder what the rest of them are like?
Can we have confirmation that Lone Ranger is still in the pocket of Denham? I like the idea of a technocractic council as they have in Italy at the moment. Councillors on both sides are not of the right calibre to make drastic decisions. We've seen Morrell bottle it, I wonder what the rest of them are like? Condor Man
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8:38am Sat 26 May 12

Lone Ranger. says...

I really do have a good laugh at some of these posts and in particular the schoolboys who seem to think that i am in the pocket of someone.
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Perhaps i can clear up a point or two and make it clear to the somewhat mentally disturbed posters who seem to target my posts.
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I am NOT in the pocket of any MP or Councillor.
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I am not paid by the Public purse, but have my own business.
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I support a party that i feel represents the majority of things that i care about.
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I can very easily trade insults with trolls like James47, Condor Man, Loosehead and any others that may wish to have a dig ......... and i do not apologise for any of it.
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Perhaps it is a coincidence that it mainly applies to the Tory posters who are prepared to throw the allegations about ..... .............. But when i you retaliate seem to be very upset.
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For some strange reason they seem to think that their party is leading them to the promised land ......... Just like a religious sect .......... But they are not ..... They are just deluded in thinking that the Tories can do no wrong.
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There you have it.
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Dont care if you believe it or not.
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Bring on the next topic ........ Now shall we discus the Tories FAILURE to control net immigration ............. or the further negative growth of this Country and the double dip recession due to Tory led coalition fag packet [policies
I really do have a good laugh at some of these posts and in particular the schoolboys who seem to think that i am in the pocket of someone. . Perhaps i can clear up a point or two and make it clear to the somewhat mentally disturbed posters who seem to target my posts. . I am NOT in the pocket of any MP or Councillor. . I am not paid by the Public purse, but have my own business. . I support a party that i feel represents the majority of things that i care about. . I can very easily trade insults with trolls like James47, Condor Man, Loosehead and any others that may wish to have a dig ......... and i do not apologise for any of it. . Perhaps it is a coincidence that it mainly applies to the Tory posters who are prepared to throw the allegations about ..... .............. But when i you retaliate seem to be very upset. . For some strange reason they seem to think that their party is leading them to the promised land ......... Just like a religious sect .......... But they are not ..... They are just deluded in thinking that the Tories can do no wrong. . There you have it. . Dont care if you believe it or not. . Bring on the next topic ........ Now shall we discus the Tories FAILURE to control net immigration ............. or the further negative growth of this Country and the double dip recession due to Tory led coalition fag packet [policies Lone Ranger.
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9:12am Sat 26 May 12

The Wickham Man says...

Southy I don't mind having a proper argument with you about political systems - what I can't stand is when you team up with nasty little toad Parmajit Bahia who seems to think anyone who votes conservative is some kind of evil greedy scheming top hat wearing fat cat, which is funny on a website but childish and frightening coming from someone who tinkers with running for an elected position (or would be if he wasn't scared of being humiliated in the polls). You seem to think that a controlled socialist system will create the same wealth as a free market capitalist system so everyone will be richer if it is distributed more fairly - right? Ok then, but tell me one controlled "true" socialist economy that has generated as much wealth as a free market equivalent.
Southy I don't mind having a proper argument with you about political systems - what I can't stand is when you team up with nasty little toad Parmajit Bahia who seems to think anyone who votes conservative is some kind of evil greedy scheming top hat wearing fat cat, which is funny on a website but childish and frightening coming from someone who tinkers with running for an elected position (or would be if he wasn't scared of being humiliated in the polls). You seem to think that a controlled socialist system will create the same wealth as a free market capitalist system so everyone will be richer if it is distributed more fairly - right? Ok then, but tell me one controlled "true" socialist economy that has generated as much wealth as a free market equivalent. The Wickham Man
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9:35am Sat 26 May 12

The Watcher says...

Not sure what all the fuss is about.
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I do think we have to give whatever administration (be they blue/red/yellow/coal
ition) is in power more than a month or two before it is either trashed or commended.
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Knee jerk, popularist and sensational stories run by the local paper and stoked by partisan political interests aren't really in anyone's interest, let alone this fair City.
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The electorate spoke, those empowered need to be given time and then judged, anything else is irrational (which is why my fellow Conservative Cllr Smith is so spectacularly out of touch by wading in here in an opportunistic manner).
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The local Conservative party needs to rebuild itself, find a more dynamic, charismatic and dare I say it statesmanlike leader as Cllr Smith has let us down (as I predicted many owns ago).
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We're fighting an uphill battle given national issues, so we have to fight harder at a local level and provide an alternative and that is not the same as being seen as whingeing from the sidelines appearing to look like sore losers.
Not sure what all the fuss is about. . I do think we have to give whatever administration (be they blue/red/yellow/coal ition) is in power more than a month or two before it is either trashed or commended. . Knee jerk, popularist and sensational stories run by the local paper and stoked by partisan political interests aren't really in anyone's interest, let alone this fair City. . The electorate spoke, those empowered need to be given time and then judged, anything else is irrational (which is why my fellow Conservative Cllr Smith is so spectacularly out of touch by wading in here in an opportunistic manner). . The local Conservative party needs to rebuild itself, find a more dynamic, charismatic and dare I say it statesmanlike leader as Cllr Smith has let us down (as I predicted many owns ago). . We're fighting an uphill battle given national issues, so we have to fight harder at a local level and provide an alternative and that is not the same as being seen as whingeing from the sidelines appearing to look like sore losers. The Watcher
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9:44am Sat 26 May 12

RealTalkSouthampton says...

Southampton must unite. We face a situation that finger pointing will not reslove. We need thinking outside of the box. All across this City in positions of power people don't take risks. We have a chance to re-invent the city's ecconomy. The future as i see it is in a digital ecconomy. imagine if facebook started in southampton... and it was a social enterprise, 50% of profits would go back into the local community. That would be billions...
if you are forward thinking or an investor then email: info@thesouthamptonn
etwork.com
Southampton must unite. We face a situation that finger pointing will not reslove. We need thinking outside of the box. All across this City in positions of power people don't take risks. We have a chance to re-invent the city's ecconomy. The future as i see it is in a digital ecconomy. imagine if facebook started in southampton... and it was a social enterprise, 50% of profits would go back into the local community. That would be billions... if you are forward thinking or an investor then email: info@thesouthamptonn etwork.com RealTalkSouthampton
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9:49am Sat 26 May 12

southy says...

james47 wrote:
southy wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
southy wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Dave of Dibden wrote:
Does rats and sinking ships come in to mind ????
Yes, by the look of it they are not jumping at the moment but are busy making holes at the bottom of their rightwing ship bit bigger
It's well known that you don't understand economics and you aren't very pleasant either, hating people for where they were born, or how they talk or who they vote for just because they don't agree with you. But I suppose when you are at the extreme end of the fascist left everything else is "right wing" by comparison, so can you be a bit more specific?
There is no such thing as Fascist left, so it just go to show how much you know.
Its Extreme Right Wing that are Fascist, and every thing else looks left wing.
Yes there is you moron - there is no difference if you were bright enough to think about it. Politics is circular - the two extremes meet on the far side of the circle. Autocratic rule by a junta, a poliburo or "workers council" - it makes no difference. Intolerance - judging people by where they were born or how they talk - judging and hating whole groups of people without knowing anything about them. Paramjit is a nasty intolerant fascit who thinks he can get away with it because he quote Gandhi. Well I quote Keats- so what. Somebody needs to show this hypocrite up for what he is - and that goes for his dummy too.
Far Left wing is not Fascist, Fascim is a extreme right wing policy, there is no circle its a figment of your imagination,
Politics is flat line Left wing aka Socialism Economic and Political Policy, and Right wing aka Capitalist Economic and Political Policy. any one with an ounce of knowledge of Politics knows this.
Juntas are right wing and are also know as Dictatorships, Workers Committees are left wing this is also known as Co-ops.
If you know any thing about politics then what you said would make you a hypocrite a false propaganist.
Not quite.

http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/Fascism
You got to be careful with wiki because its ordinary people that put up post on that site, people such as your self (not saying you have done, just saying the info is not realible).
Fascism is right Wing only extreme Capitalism.
Anarchism is extreme left wing Socialism.
[quote][p][bold]james47[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave of Dibden[/bold] wrote: Does rats and sinking ships come in to mind ????[/p][/quote]Yes, by the look of it they are not jumping at the moment but are busy making holes at the bottom of their rightwing ship bit bigger[/p][/quote]It's well known that you don't understand economics and you aren't very pleasant either, hating people for where they were born, or how they talk or who they vote for just because they don't agree with you. But I suppose when you are at the extreme end of the fascist left everything else is "right wing" by comparison, so can you be a bit more specific?[/p][/quote]There is no such thing as Fascist left, so it just go to show how much you know. Its Extreme Right Wing that are Fascist, and every thing else looks left wing.[/p][/quote]Yes there is you moron - there is no difference if you were bright enough to think about it. Politics is circular - the two extremes meet on the far side of the circle. Autocratic rule by a junta, a poliburo or "workers council" - it makes no difference. Intolerance - judging people by where they were born or how they talk - judging and hating whole groups of people without knowing anything about them. Paramjit is a nasty intolerant fascit who thinks he can get away with it because he quote Gandhi. Well I quote Keats- so what. Somebody needs to show this hypocrite up for what he is - and that goes for his dummy too.[/p][/quote]Far Left wing is not Fascist, Fascim is a extreme right wing policy, there is no circle its a figment of your imagination, Politics is flat line Left wing aka Socialism Economic and Political Policy, and Right wing aka Capitalist Economic and Political Policy. any one with an ounce of knowledge of Politics knows this. Juntas are right wing and are also know as Dictatorships, Workers Committees are left wing this is also known as Co-ops. If you know any thing about politics then what you said would make you a hypocrite a false propaganist.[/p][/quote]Not quite. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Fascism[/p][/quote]You got to be careful with wiki because its ordinary people that put up post on that site, people such as your self (not saying you have done, just saying the info is not realible). Fascism is right Wing only extreme Capitalism. Anarchism is extreme left wing Socialism. southy
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9:53am Sat 26 May 12

southy says...

RealTalkSouthampton wrote:
Southampton must unite. We face a situation that finger pointing will not reslove. We need thinking outside of the box. All across this City in positions of power people don't take risks. We have a chance to re-invent the city's ecconomy. The future as i see it is in a digital ecconomy. imagine if facebook started in southampton... and it was a social enterprise, 50% of profits would go back into the local community. That would be billions...
if you are forward thinking or an investor then email: info@thesouthamptonn

etwork.com
No 50% of profits would not end up in the local economy only about 1% would, most would end up in a tax free account in an off shore account.
[quote][p][bold]RealTalkSouthampton[/bold] wrote: Southampton must unite. We face a situation that finger pointing will not reslove. We need thinking outside of the box. All across this City in positions of power people don't take risks. We have a chance to re-invent the city's ecconomy. The future as i see it is in a digital ecconomy. imagine if facebook started in southampton... and it was a social enterprise, 50% of profits would go back into the local community. That would be billions... if you are forward thinking or an investor then email: info@thesouthamptonn etwork.com[/p][/quote]No 50% of profits would not end up in the local economy only about 1% would, most would end up in a tax free account in an off shore account. southy
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10:20am Sat 26 May 12

southy says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
Southy I don't mind having a proper argument with you about political systems - what I can't stand is when you team up with nasty little toad Parmajit Bahia who seems to think anyone who votes conservative is some kind of evil greedy scheming top hat wearing fat cat, which is funny on a website but childish and frightening coming from someone who tinkers with running for an elected position (or would be if he wasn't scared of being humiliated in the polls). You seem to think that a controlled socialist system will create the same wealth as a free market capitalist system so everyone will be richer if it is distributed more fairly - right? Ok then, but tell me one controlled "true" socialist economy that has generated as much wealth as a free market equivalent.
He don't thats the point, you need to take time in reading some off his post, Tory voters are miss lead by the Capitalist, the Tory party has not change much from the days when it use to be called the Country Party, its the same type of people that still control the Tory party at a very high level.

The only near true Socialist Economy happened in 1917 to 1923 but Lenin died before it was compleated after this the Capitalist Hi-Jack Socialism kept the words destroyed all the work Lenin done, and interduce Capitalism under a Socialist name, What we seen in the last 89 years has not been Socialism its Capitalism aka socialism for the elite.
Countrys that are doing well at the moment with there economys are India, China, Vietnam and Venezuela all these countrys have a sort of mix between Capitalism and Socialism about 50-50 and its the Socialism part thats keeping the Capitalism part afloat, The same thing happened here in the UK in the 1970's Recession while the Capitalist world was being hit hard by recession it did not effect the UK a great deal and that was because the Socialist part of our policy was keeping us on the edge of the world recession and that was with only 41% socialist policy, this work because it kept people working and in jobs and with that people was able to carry on spending in the local economy which in turn supported the national economy, even our National dept at the time the WWI, the 1920'30's debt and the WWII debts where going down and not up, and again this was down to the fact that people was working producing goods for exports, exports in the 70's was far greater than the exports from the mid 80's and till now.
Socialism is a good thin it deals with the majority unlike Capitalism it only deals with the few, For every 1 person that makes it under a capitalist system they have to tread on 10,000 of people to get there.
Where under a socialism system every one will be bought up wards and treading on no one to get there.
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: Southy I don't mind having a proper argument with you about political systems - what I can't stand is when you team up with nasty little toad Parmajit Bahia who seems to think anyone who votes conservative is some kind of evil greedy scheming top hat wearing fat cat, which is funny on a website but childish and frightening coming from someone who tinkers with running for an elected position (or would be if he wasn't scared of being humiliated in the polls). You seem to think that a controlled socialist system will create the same wealth as a free market capitalist system so everyone will be richer if it is distributed more fairly - right? Ok then, but tell me one controlled "true" socialist economy that has generated as much wealth as a free market equivalent.[/p][/quote]He don't thats the point, you need to take time in reading some off his post, Tory voters are miss lead by the Capitalist, the Tory party has not change much from the days when it use to be called the Country Party, its the same type of people that still control the Tory party at a very high level. The only near true Socialist Economy happened in 1917 to 1923 but Lenin died before it was compleated after this the Capitalist Hi-Jack Socialism kept the words destroyed all the work Lenin done, and interduce Capitalism under a Socialist name, What we seen in the last 89 years has not been Socialism its Capitalism aka socialism for the elite. Countrys that are doing well at the moment with there economys are India, China, Vietnam and Venezuela all these countrys have a sort of mix between Capitalism and Socialism about 50-50 and its the Socialism part thats keeping the Capitalism part afloat, The same thing happened here in the UK in the 1970's Recession while the Capitalist world was being hit hard by recession it did not effect the UK a great deal and that was because the Socialist part of our policy was keeping us on the edge of the world recession and that was with only 41% socialist policy, this work because it kept people working and in jobs and with that people was able to carry on spending in the local economy which in turn supported the national economy, even our National dept at the time the WWI, the 1920'30's debt and the WWII debts where going down and not up, and again this was down to the fact that people was working producing goods for exports, exports in the 70's was far greater than the exports from the mid 80's and till now. Socialism is a good thin it deals with the majority unlike Capitalism it only deals with the few, For every 1 person that makes it under a capitalist system they have to tread on 10,000 of people to get there. Where under a socialism system every one will be bought up wards and treading on no one to get there. southy
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11:19am Sat 26 May 12

Sir Ad E Noid says...

southy wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
Southy I don't mind having a proper argument with you about political systems - what I can't stand is when you team up with nasty little toad Parmajit Bahia who seems to think anyone who votes conservative is some kind of evil greedy scheming top hat wearing fat cat, which is funny on a website but childish and frightening coming from someone who tinkers with running for an elected position (or would be if he wasn't scared of being humiliated in the polls). You seem to think that a controlled socialist system will create the same wealth as a free market capitalist system so everyone will be richer if it is distributed more fairly - right? Ok then, but tell me one controlled "true" socialist economy that has generated as much wealth as a free market equivalent.
He don't thats the point, you need to take time in reading some off his post, Tory voters are miss lead by the Capitalist, the Tory party has not change much from the days when it use to be called the Country Party, its the same type of people that still control the Tory party at a very high level.

The only near true Socialist Economy happened in 1917 to 1923 but Lenin died before it was compleated after this the Capitalist Hi-Jack Socialism kept the words destroyed all the work Lenin done, and interduce Capitalism under a Socialist name, What we seen in the last 89 years has not been Socialism its Capitalism aka socialism for the elite.
Countrys that are doing well at the moment with there economys are India, China, Vietnam and Venezuela all these countrys have a sort of mix between Capitalism and Socialism about 50-50 and its the Socialism part thats keeping the Capitalism part afloat, The same thing happened here in the UK in the 1970's Recession while the Capitalist world was being hit hard by recession it did not effect the UK a great deal and that was because the Socialist part of our policy was keeping us on the edge of the world recession and that was with only 41% socialist policy, this work because it kept people working and in jobs and with that people was able to carry on spending in the local economy which in turn supported the national economy, even our National dept at the time the WWI, the 1920'30's debt and the WWII debts where going down and not up, and again this was down to the fact that people was working producing goods for exports, exports in the 70's was far greater than the exports from the mid 80's and till now.
Socialism is a good thin it deals with the majority unlike Capitalism it only deals with the few, For every 1 person that makes it under a capitalist system they have to tread on 10,000 of people to get there.
Where under a socialism system every one will be bought up wards and treading on no one to get there.
Oh dear me. Thank God nobody takes you seriously. Good for a laugh though.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: Southy I don't mind having a proper argument with you about political systems - what I can't stand is when you team up with nasty little toad Parmajit Bahia who seems to think anyone who votes conservative is some kind of evil greedy scheming top hat wearing fat cat, which is funny on a website but childish and frightening coming from someone who tinkers with running for an elected position (or would be if he wasn't scared of being humiliated in the polls). You seem to think that a controlled socialist system will create the same wealth as a free market capitalist system so everyone will be richer if it is distributed more fairly - right? Ok then, but tell me one controlled "true" socialist economy that has generated as much wealth as a free market equivalent.[/p][/quote]He don't thats the point, you need to take time in reading some off his post, Tory voters are miss lead by the Capitalist, the Tory party has not change much from the days when it use to be called the Country Party, its the same type of people that still control the Tory party at a very high level. The only near true Socialist Economy happened in 1917 to 1923 but Lenin died before it was compleated after this the Capitalist Hi-Jack Socialism kept the words destroyed all the work Lenin done, and interduce Capitalism under a Socialist name, What we seen in the last 89 years has not been Socialism its Capitalism aka socialism for the elite. Countrys that are doing well at the moment with there economys are India, China, Vietnam and Venezuela all these countrys have a sort of mix between Capitalism and Socialism about 50-50 and its the Socialism part thats keeping the Capitalism part afloat, The same thing happened here in the UK in the 1970's Recession while the Capitalist world was being hit hard by recession it did not effect the UK a great deal and that was because the Socialist part of our policy was keeping us on the edge of the world recession and that was with only 41% socialist policy, this work because it kept people working and in jobs and with that people was able to carry on spending in the local economy which in turn supported the national economy, even our National dept at the time the WWI, the 1920'30's debt and the WWII debts where going down and not up, and again this was down to the fact that people was working producing goods for exports, exports in the 70's was far greater than the exports from the mid 80's and till now. Socialism is a good thin it deals with the majority unlike Capitalism it only deals with the few, For every 1 person that makes it under a capitalist system they have to tread on 10,000 of people to get there. Where under a socialism system every one will be bought up wards and treading on no one to get there.[/p][/quote]Oh dear me. Thank God nobody takes you seriously. Good for a laugh though. Sir Ad E Noid
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11:34am Sat 26 May 12

southy says...

As Wickham Man might say got nothing to say Sir Ad E Noid.
And I would say can not debate then Sir Ad E Noid
As Wickham Man might say got nothing to say Sir Ad E Noid. And I would say can not debate then Sir Ad E Noid southy
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1:04pm Sat 26 May 12

The Wickham Man says...

It's too nice a day to argue Southy - I'll settle for a draw.
It's too nice a day to argue Southy - I'll settle for a draw. The Wickham Man
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1:55pm Sat 26 May 12

Verloren Hoop says...

I'm not sure that this is the real Southy.
I'm not sure that this is the real Southy. Verloren Hoop
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2:21pm Sat 26 May 12

southy says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
It's too nice a day to argue Southy - I'll settle for a draw.
I wondering was Keith Morrell push to resign by Williams, if Morrell was going to vote against any cuts.
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: It's too nice a day to argue Southy - I'll settle for a draw.[/p][/quote]I wondering was Keith Morrell push to resign by Williams, if Morrell was going to vote against any cuts. southy
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3:00pm Sat 26 May 12

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
I really do have a good laugh at some of these posts and in particular the schoolboys who seem to think that i am in the pocket of someone.
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Perhaps i can clear up a point or two and make it clear to the somewhat mentally disturbed posters who seem to target my posts.
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I am NOT in the pocket of any MP or Councillor.
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I am not paid by the Public purse, but have my own business.
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I support a party that i feel represents the majority of things that i care about.
.
I can very easily trade insults with trolls like James47, Condor Man, Loosehead and any others that may wish to have a dig ......... and i do not apologise for any of it.
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Perhaps it is a coincidence that it mainly applies to the Tory posters who are prepared to throw the allegations about ..... .............. But when i you retaliate seem to be very upset.
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For some strange reason they seem to think that their party is leading them to the promised land ......... Just like a religious sect .......... But they are not ..... They are just deluded in thinking that the Tories can do no wrong.
.
There you have it.
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Dont care if you believe it or not.
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Bring on the next topic ........ Now shall we discus the Tories FAILURE to control net immigration ............. or the further negative growth of this Country and the double dip recession due to Tory led coalition fag packet
Troll? So you'll go on blindly supporting a Party that has & will again tax small businesses out of existence ?
You run your own business?
Well let's wait & see when you employees have their council tax rises through the post if you give them a pay increase to cover the rise or if you who spout such bile turn down their request for pay rises as Your okay telling everyone else to pay more but not you if it costs you money.
Your like a blinkered horse only know one way & can't see through the blinkers.
Why after all the rot (c+ap) you've given out can't you admit Williams Labour party's no better than June Bridles ?
Are you a millionaire perchance? Is your name Williams perchance?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: I really do have a good laugh at some of these posts and in particular the schoolboys who seem to think that i am in the pocket of someone. . Perhaps i can clear up a point or two and make it clear to the somewhat mentally disturbed posters who seem to target my posts. . I am NOT in the pocket of any MP or Councillor. . I am not paid by the Public purse, but have my own business. . I support a party that i feel represents the majority of things that i care about. . I can very easily trade insults with trolls like James47, Condor Man, Loosehead and any others that may wish to have a dig ......... and i do not apologise for any of it. . Perhaps it is a coincidence that it mainly applies to the Tory posters who are prepared to throw the allegations about ..... .............. But when i you retaliate seem to be very upset. . For some strange reason they seem to think that their party is leading them to the promised land ......... Just like a religious sect .......... But they are not ..... They are just deluded in thinking that the Tories can do no wrong. . There you have it. . Dont care if you believe it or not. . Bring on the next topic ........ Now shall we discus the Tories FAILURE to control net immigration ............. or the further negative growth of this Country and the double dip recession due to Tory led coalition fag packet [policies[/p][/quote]Troll? So you'll go on blindly supporting a Party that has & will again tax small businesses out of existence ? You run your own business? Well let's wait & see when you employees have their council tax rises through the post if you give them a pay increase to cover the rise or if you who spout such bile turn down their request for pay rises as Your okay telling everyone else to pay more but not you if it costs you money. Your like a blinkered horse only know one way & can't see through the blinkers. Why after all the rot (c+ap) you've given out can't you admit Williams Labour party's no better than June Bridles ? Are you a millionaire perchance? Is your name Williams perchance? loosehead
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4:58pm Sat 26 May 12

Lone Ranger. says...

Once again you quite clearly did not read my entire post did you?
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Troll ? ....... Yes you are. ....... If you dont know what it means look it up.
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I dont "blindly" support anyone.
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Where are LOCAL Labour Council taxing small businesses out of existence.
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If the employees have Council Tax rises it will be due to the great black hole that the Tories contiued to make bigger by wreckless spending on the Sea Museum etc.. .. KNOWING that there was already as massive debt.
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Where have i told anyone to pay more money.
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Not a millionaire and not the last bit .......... But you would have known that if you bothered to read my post.
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Once again you only read what suits you ..... You just carry on like the lemming that you are and continue to enjoy this playful banter ........... ..
Once again you quite clearly did not read my entire post did you? . Troll ? ....... Yes you are. ....... If you dont know what it means look it up. . I dont "blindly" support anyone. . Where are LOCAL Labour Council taxing small businesses out of existence. . If the employees have Council Tax rises it will be due to the great black hole that the Tories contiued to make bigger by wreckless spending on the Sea Museum etc.. .. KNOWING that there was already as massive debt. . Where have i told anyone to pay more money. . Not a millionaire and not the last bit .......... But you would have known that if you bothered to read my post. . Once again you only read what suits you ..... You just carry on like the lemming that you are and continue to enjoy this playful banter ........... .. Lone Ranger.
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5:30pm Sat 26 May 12

OceansofRed says...

Loans ranger you haven't answered my question. Do you accept that there will have to be cuts of 7million a year in order to restore the workers pay.

The sea city museum is out of the capital budget and not the revenue budget. It costs 15 million and according to public documents the councils got about 5million from the lottery to pay for it. I note though that the council under labour is continuing property disposals which should help address that deficit.

Still either way it is totally separate from the fact that the council cut their wage bill by 7 million when it took the action to force people into pay cuts.

In order for the workers to get their pay back, the money has to come from somewhere.

As a small businessman you should know that.
Loans ranger you haven't answered my question. Do you accept that there will have to be cuts of 7million a year in order to restore the workers pay. The sea city museum is out of the capital budget and not the revenue budget. It costs 15 million and according to public documents the councils got about 5million from the lottery to pay for it. I note though that the council under labour is continuing property disposals which should help address that deficit. Still either way it is totally separate from the fact that the council cut their wage bill by 7 million when it took the action to force people into pay cuts. In order for the workers to get their pay back, the money has to come from somewhere. As a small businessman you should know that. OceansofRed
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9:57pm Sat 26 May 12

Waders says...

I can see the scenario now. The (Labour) council will need to raise council tax to meet at least some of their pledges on wages and jobs. If this were permitted, the effect on the city would be grave with even more firms (and therefore business rate payers) threatening to re-locate. Labour's natural electorate are those on benefits and they don't pay council tax so have nothing to fear. How wrong is that !
I can see the scenario now. The (Labour) council will need to raise council tax to meet at least some of their pledges on wages and jobs. If this were permitted, the effect on the city would be grave with even more firms (and therefore business rate payers) threatening to re-locate. Labour's natural electorate are those on benefits and they don't pay council tax so have nothing to fear. How wrong is that ! Waders
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10:05pm Sat 26 May 12

loosehead says...

OceansofRed wrote:
Loans ranger you haven't answered my question. Do you accept that there will have to be cuts of 7million a year in order to restore the workers pay.

The sea city museum is out of the capital budget and not the revenue budget. It costs 15 million and according to public documents the councils got about 5million from the lottery to pay for it. I note though that the council under labour is continuing property disposals which should help address that deficit.

Still either way it is totally separate from the fact that the council cut their wage bill by 7 million when it took the action to force people into pay cuts.

In order for the workers to get their pay back, the money has to come from somewhere.

As a small businessman you should know that.
I tried asking Lone Ranger what he would do if his employees ask for pay rises to cover what will be huge council tax rises?
Surely as a local business man he must know that any council tax rise will effect small businesses as their employees will look at the only way to cover those rises & that's in a pay rise meaning the wage bill will be higher so putting up the costs of running the companies.
This will not just be the private sector but all the council workers will want a wage rise & so the circle begins or can't he see that?
Oceansofred. We already have many Italians coming here expecting their economy to go the way of Greece.
We have Brits selling up for what they can get to come back here from Spain & now we hear Greeks are looking to book tickets to come here?
What is it they can see but the Labour Party can't?
Do they see that down to the actions are Government has taken we are far better off than their country & we still have a very good Welfare state?
If they can see this why can't people like Lone Ranger see it or are they wearing the wrong type of Glasses & they need help?
[quote][p][bold]OceansofRed[/bold] wrote: Loans ranger you haven't answered my question. Do you accept that there will have to be cuts of 7million a year in order to restore the workers pay. The sea city museum is out of the capital budget and not the revenue budget. It costs 15 million and according to public documents the councils got about 5million from the lottery to pay for it. I note though that the council under labour is continuing property disposals which should help address that deficit. Still either way it is totally separate from the fact that the council cut their wage bill by 7 million when it took the action to force people into pay cuts. In order for the workers to get their pay back, the money has to come from somewhere. As a small businessman you should know that.[/p][/quote]I tried asking Lone Ranger what he would do if his employees ask for pay rises to cover what will be huge council tax rises? Surely as a local business man he must know that any council tax rise will effect small businesses as their employees will look at the only way to cover those rises & that's in a pay rise meaning the wage bill will be higher so putting up the costs of running the companies. This will not just be the private sector but all the council workers will want a wage rise & so the circle begins or can't he see that? Oceansofred. We already have many Italians coming here expecting their economy to go the way of Greece. We have Brits selling up for what they can get to come back here from Spain & now we hear Greeks are looking to book tickets to come here? What is it they can see but the Labour Party can't? Do they see that down to the actions are Government has taken we are far better off than their country & we still have a very good Welfare state? If they can see this why can't people like Lone Ranger see it or are they wearing the wrong type of Glasses & they need help? loosehead
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