Labour councillors told not to comment on leadership rift

Daily Echo: Council leader Richard Williams Council leader Richard Williams

Labour councillors in Southampton were yesterday gagged by regional party bosses as pressure mounted on their leader to go in a row over the resignation of a senior colleague.

Cabinet members were instructed not to speak to the Daily Echo after a rift opened up between council leader Richard Williams and former Cabinet member Keith Morrell over the real reasons for his shock resignation two weeks into the job.

The gag followed yesterday’s Daily Echo report that former efficiency tsar Cllr Morrell, who the authority said had quit over ill health, was in fact fighting fit and he had actually resigned in a Cabinet split over future budget cuts.

However, the council leader told the paper he was sticking to his statement that Cllr Morrell told him he was leaving solely due to ill health.

Lifetime party man Cllr Morrell last night told the Echo he was “amazed” that Cllr Williams had denied he had tendered his resignation from the Cabinet because he could not politically defend large scale cuts and savings that will have to be made at the council due to a Government funding squeeze.

Cllr Morrell said he had agreed to say he had quit on “health grounds” but said he had to reveal the truth after colleagues, family and friends became worried.

“I was amazed when I saw him [Cllr Williams] repeat the story,” Cllr Morrell said. “As far as I’m concerned the record is straight.”

He added he had not been consulted on the resignation statement that was released.

Soon after the Echo hit the streets yesterday Labour’s regional party director Malcolm Power issued an order for councillors not to speak to the Echo about the “Morrell story”.

The Echo understands councillors were also threatened with having the whip – membership of the city’s Labour group – withdrawn if they talked.

When the Daily Echo attempted to contact Labour Cabinet members they failed to return calls with the exception of finance boss councillor Simon Letts.

Cllr Letts said: “I was as shocked as everybody to see the piece [in the Echo] but until I’ve spoken to the individuals I cannot comment. It’s possible that both of them are telling the truth.”

Cllr Williams last night said he had nothing to add to what he stated previously. He said: “As far as I’m aware no one has got anything to say because there is nothing else to add.”

Opposition Conservative leader Cllr Royston Smith said: “If Cllr Morrell is telling the truth, then Cllr Williams misled the communications department and allowed them to put out a message which is untrue which brings the council into disrepute and demonstrates he’s not fit for his office and should do the decent thing.

“Cllr Williams has been in the job two weeks and now the council is being run by the regional Labour party. It’s a disgrace.”

Cllr Morrell, who was made Cabinet member for efficiency and improvement, said he decided to resign after examining the dire state of the council’s finances and he could not defend a “dismantling of local government” to make savings.

The council faces an estimated £46m budget deficit over the next two years despite record cuts in the past two years.

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2:05pm Sat 26 May 12

arthur dalyrimple says...

Politico,s lying ? Is,nt that their default position , lips moving etc !!!!
Politico,s lying ? Is,nt that their default position , lips moving etc !!!! arthur dalyrimple
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2:15pm Sat 26 May 12

bigfella777 says...

Cut everything, cut everything for old people, disabled people, mental health issues, housing benefit, ethnic minorities and just focus on the fit healthy people who are contributing to society, the rest of the scum can go to hell.
Cut everything, cut everything for old people, disabled people, mental health issues, housing benefit, ethnic minorities and just focus on the fit healthy people who are contributing to society, the rest of the scum can go to hell. bigfella777
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2:46pm Sat 26 May 12

aldermoorboy says...

Who ever lied must resign.
Labour must sort this mess out now.
The more lies they tell the worst it gets.
Morrell/Williams show courage, do the correct thing
Who ever lied must resign. Labour must sort this mess out now. The more lies they tell the worst it gets. Morrell/Williams show courage, do the correct thing aldermoorboy
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3:06pm Sat 26 May 12

loosehead says...

As Williams seems to be the liar or the accused liar should we take it that Williams & his cohorts have been lying all the time?
Why don't they stand down & allow a party who were forward thinking & told us the truth even if we didn't like it?
As Williams seems to be the liar or the accused liar should we take it that Williams & his cohorts have been lying all the time? Why don't they stand down & allow a party who were forward thinking & told us the truth even if we didn't like it? loosehead
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3:08pm Sat 26 May 12

Condor Man says...

Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.
Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now. Condor Man
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3:18pm Sat 26 May 12

loosehead says...

Condor Man wrote:
Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.
Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it?
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.[/p][/quote]Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it? loosehead
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3:19pm Sat 26 May 12

good-gosh says...

Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.
Cheer up, the worst is yet to come. good-gosh
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3:21pm Sat 26 May 12

Datarater says...

This shows a lack of Morrell fiber.

Also has Williams being paying all his tax while he was an I.T. management consultant or has he been hiding behind a limited company to minimise his taxes. It's disgraceful if he has.

We want to know!!!
This shows a lack of Morrell fiber. Also has Williams being paying all his tax while he was an I.T. management consultant or has he been hiding behind a limited company to minimise his taxes. It's disgraceful if he has. We want to know!!! Datarater
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3:48pm Sat 26 May 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

If this was not a real serious matter it could have made a good laugh, especially Cllr. Simon Letts statement “It’s possible that both of them are telling the truth”….

Perhaps Echo contacted the councillor too early in the morning when Simon hadn’t smelt the coffee before returning the call
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Surely as a school teacher he would be able to read and understand English, because Echo had made it clear that both Cllr. Keith Morrell and Cllr. Richard Williams are virtually accusing each other of not telling the truth. But only Cllr. Keith Morrell confessed that he did not tell the truth, and tried to produce very poor mitigation for his lies. So how could Cllr. Simon Letts describe something as truth when Keith has already admitted to lying?
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Come on Simon, you are basically a nice guy, so I give you a friendly advice. Keep on doing good work for your constituents and do not ruin your own credibility for the sake of loyalty to a party without any principles
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For some people if not all most NuLabour councillors suffering from allergy to truth may be shocking, they can console themselves because this shameful scenario is overshadowed by even more disgraceful and undemocratic dictatorial manner in which NuLabour, which pretends to stand of honesty and openness and freedom of information, and always eager to accuse their opponents for withholding information, in fact is busy gagging even its own elected members and is shamelessly interfering with the freedom of the press
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Echo’s representatives appear to be genuinely trying to extract the truth out of what appears to be well oiled lies manufacturing machine, pretending to be a political party, which is dominated by self serving mob and is bringing the good name of Labour into disrepute
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Anybody who hinders Journalists trying to find facts in my opinion is hypocrite and insult to true sprit of freedom and values of democracy
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Such lousy behaviour may have been acceptable under Chairman Mao in China or during dictatorship of Pinochet of Chile BUT not in our Britain
If this was not a real serious matter it could have made a good laugh, especially Cllr. Simon Letts statement “It’s possible that both of them are telling the truth”…. Perhaps Echo contacted the councillor too early in the morning when Simon hadn’t smelt the coffee before returning the call . Surely as a school teacher he would be able to read and understand English, because Echo had made it clear that both Cllr. Keith Morrell and Cllr. Richard Williams are virtually accusing each other of not telling the truth. But only Cllr. Keith Morrell confessed that he did not tell the truth, and tried to produce very poor mitigation for his lies. So how could Cllr. Simon Letts describe something as truth when Keith has already admitted to lying? . Come on Simon, you are basically a nice guy, so I give you a friendly advice. Keep on doing good work for your constituents and do not ruin your own credibility for the sake of loyalty to a party without any principles . For some people if not all most NuLabour councillors suffering from allergy to truth may be shocking, they can console themselves because this shameful scenario is overshadowed by even more disgraceful and undemocratic dictatorial manner in which NuLabour, which pretends to stand of honesty and openness and freedom of information, and always eager to accuse their opponents for withholding information, in fact is busy gagging even its own elected members and is shamelessly interfering with the freedom of the press . Echo’s representatives appear to be genuinely trying to extract the truth out of what appears to be well oiled lies manufacturing machine, pretending to be a political party, which is dominated by self serving mob and is bringing the good name of Labour into disrepute . Anybody who hinders Journalists trying to find facts in my opinion is hypocrite and insult to true sprit of freedom and values of democracy . Such lousy behaviour may have been acceptable under Chairman Mao in China or during dictatorship of Pinochet of Chile BUT not in our Britain Paramjit Bahia
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4:28pm Sat 26 May 12

aldermoorboy says...

Paramjit, on many subjects we may disagree, but on this subject I believe you are 100% correct.
I believe the Echo will find out the truth, good luck to them.
Paramjit, on many subjects we may disagree, but on this subject I believe you are 100% correct. I believe the Echo will find out the truth, good luck to them. aldermoorboy
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5:16pm Sat 26 May 12

OceansofRed says...

I'm agreeing with Paramjit. Irrespective of the party in charge or who supports who, this sort of lying is disgraceful.

Council staff are meant to be impartial and if Cllr Williams got them to lie he should resign.
I'm agreeing with Paramjit. Irrespective of the party in charge or who supports who, this sort of lying is disgraceful. Council staff are meant to be impartial and if Cllr Williams got them to lie he should resign. OceansofRed
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5:24pm Sat 26 May 12

OceansofRed says...

I notice all of the labour cohorts are strangely quite today.
I notice all of the labour cohorts are strangely quite today. OceansofRed
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5:42pm Sat 26 May 12

good-gosh says...

OceansofRed wrote:
I notice all of the labour cohorts are strangely quite today.
Perhaps they have also been gagged?
[quote][p][bold]OceansofRed[/bold] wrote: I notice all of the labour cohorts are strangely quite today.[/p][/quote]Perhaps they have also been gagged? good-gosh
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5:46pm Sat 26 May 12

good-gosh says...

and surely, a gagged councillor is an impossible contradiction?
and surely, a gagged councillor is an impossible contradiction? good-gosh
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6:00pm Sat 26 May 12

Solomon's Boot says...

Just shut the **** LOT of them up!
Just shut the **** LOT of them up! Solomon's Boot
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7:03pm Sat 26 May 12

Family Man says...

"Censorship reflects society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime" Potter Stewart Associate Justice of the American Supreme Court
"Censorship reflects society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime" Potter Stewart Associate Justice of the American Supreme Court Family Man
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7:16pm Sat 26 May 12

saint61 says...

And the unions can't work with Royston? Cold and to the point may not suit them but that's Royston. A job to do and he does it. How can the unions work with Williams or the labour party? Yes they must but as they don't disclose the facts they can't be trusted. Three weeks since the election and the city has been duped. Me thinks the council should resign.
And the unions can't work with Royston? Cold and to the point may not suit them but that's Royston. A job to do and he does it. How can the unions work with Williams or the labour party? Yes they must but as they don't disclose the facts they can't be trusted. Three weeks since the election and the city has been duped. Me thinks the council should resign. saint61
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7:32pm Sat 26 May 12

IronLady2010 says...

Let's not slate Labour just yet, give them more time............

The more time we give them, the more truths will come out and hopefully they'll never be re-elected.

But, like I say give them time.

People whined about Royston, at least he was outspoken even if it annoyed some, he never lied!
Let's not slate Labour just yet, give them more time............ The more time we give them, the more truths will come out and hopefully they'll never be re-elected. But, like I say give them time. People whined about Royston, at least he was outspoken even if it annoyed some, he never lied! IronLady2010
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7:32pm Sat 26 May 12

owen_thesaints says...

Every story I seem to read on here since the election has a comment from Royston.

I don't remember the echo ever getting so many responses to stories from Labour when they were in opposition.

I didn't realise how 'tory' the Daily Royston was...
Every story I seem to read on here since the election has a comment from Royston. I don't remember the echo ever getting so many responses to stories from Labour when they were in opposition. I didn't realise how 'tory' the Daily Royston was... owen_thesaints
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7:36pm Sat 26 May 12

IronLady2010 says...

owen_thesaints wrote:
Every story I seem to read on here since the election has a comment from Royston.

I don't remember the echo ever getting so many responses to stories from Labour when they were in opposition.

I didn't realise how 'tory' the Daily Royston was...
They did, the Unions always had a say!
[quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: Every story I seem to read on here since the election has a comment from Royston. I don't remember the echo ever getting so many responses to stories from Labour when they were in opposition. I didn't realise how 'tory' the Daily Royston was...[/p][/quote]They did, the Unions always had a say! IronLady2010
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7:47pm Sat 26 May 12

J.P.M says...

Baroness Warsi did not tell House of Lords authorities that she was receiving rental income from a London property she had bought and rented out.
Baroness Warsi did not tell House of Lords authorities that she was receiving rental income from a London property she had bought and rented out. J.P.M
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8:15pm Sat 26 May 12

Verloren Hoop says...

The council seems to be in disarray. Will the Regional Labour Office send some people down to sort things out?
The council seems to be in disarray. Will the Regional Labour Office send some people down to sort things out? Verloren Hoop
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8:24pm Sat 26 May 12

saint61 says...

Verloren Hoop wrote:
The council seems to be in disarray. Will the Regional Labour Office send some people down to sort things out?
Disaray? They are in meltdown
[quote][p][bold]Verloren Hoop[/bold] wrote: The council seems to be in disarray. Will the Regional Labour Office send some people down to sort things out?[/p][/quote]Disaray? They are in meltdown saint61
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8:52pm Sat 26 May 12

RICK ALLANACH. says...

Why should we be surprised?

We all knew they got into power on a lie. Even the media said how are they going to honour their pledge of stopping the cuts.

I didn't think it would happen just 2 weeks after getting elected though.

At least you could trust Royston and the Tories to be honest about our finances.

Perhaps now those who voted for them can see them for what they are.
Why should we be surprised? We all knew they got into power on a lie. Even the media said how are they going to honour their pledge of stopping the cuts. I didn't think it would happen just 2 weeks after getting elected though. At least you could trust Royston and the Tories to be honest about our finances. Perhaps now those who voted for them can see them for what they are. RICK ALLANACH.
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9:07pm Sat 26 May 12

Sir Ad E Noid says...

Time will not be the healer, far from it. Time will show that Royston was right and had tighten that belt, through no fault of his own. Richard will be proved wrong, because only now is he fully understanding the predicament the Council finances are in. It doesn't matter who is in power, they will have to grasp the wrong end of the stick, how ever painful that will be. Only difference is that one of the Party leaders is in denial, the other is a realist.
Time will not be the healer, far from it. Time will show that Royston was right and had tighten that belt, through no fault of his own. Richard will be proved wrong, because only now is he fully understanding the predicament the Council finances are in. It doesn't matter who is in power, they will have to grasp the wrong end of the stick, how ever painful that will be. Only difference is that one of the Party leaders is in denial, the other is a realist. Sir Ad E Noid
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9:53pm Sat 26 May 12

Condor Man says...

Who is Malcolm Power and why is he directing communications on behalf of a democratically elected council he doesn't even work for? I think Eric Pickles should get involved as it's clear that the council in Southampton is not fit to govern.
Who is Malcolm Power and why is he directing communications on behalf of a democratically elected council he doesn't even work for? I think Eric Pickles should get involved as it's clear that the council in Southampton is not fit to govern. Condor Man
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10:22pm Sat 26 May 12

loosehead says...

The Echo allowed Williams & his two union buddies to write articles slating Royston & the Tory council.
they allowed them to spout their lies & deceive their own members.
the Echo couldn't really say your lying & refuse to print it so yes they printed it.
when Williams said there would be fortnightly collections & 1-10 job losses to a reporter Only then to say he didn't say it the Echo should have attacked him & proven him to be the liar he is. But they didn't yet Labour/Unionists & left wingers say the Echo is Pro Tory?
Royston was attacked vilified even accused of staging the killings on the sub as a PR stunt,
Now I hope the council workers can see that they've been lied to by their Unions & the Labour Party.
The Tories put it on the table "If you take pay cuts we can keep the amount of job losses to a minimum" The Unions reply was No hit the banks ? a local; council hit a bank?
Williams has been told countless times as has his colleagues there would be a £45million cut this year so how were they going to pay for it if they won?
Then they made promises that Morrel Knows they can't keep & their whole Manifesto is a sham.
1,500 job cuts at least in 2013 Huge rise in council tax in 2013 if not sooner.A delay to the restoration of pay to keep the redundancy payment figures low .
I hope that the people of this city will see they've been shafted by both Labour & the Unions
The Echo allowed Williams & his two union buddies to write articles slating Royston & the Tory council. they allowed them to spout their lies & deceive their own members. the Echo couldn't really say your lying & refuse to print it so yes they printed it. when Williams said there would be fortnightly collections & 1-10 job losses to a reporter Only then to say he didn't say it the Echo should have attacked him & proven him to be the liar he is. But they didn't yet Labour/Unionists & left wingers say the Echo is Pro Tory? Royston was attacked vilified even accused of staging the killings on the sub as a PR stunt, Now I hope the council workers can see that they've been lied to by their Unions & the Labour Party. The Tories put it on the table "If you take pay cuts we can keep the amount of job losses to a minimum" The Unions reply was No hit the banks ? a local; council hit a bank? Williams has been told countless times as has his colleagues there would be a £45million cut this year so how were they going to pay for it if they won? Then they made promises that Morrel Knows they can't keep & their whole Manifesto is a sham. 1,500 job cuts at least in 2013 Huge rise in council tax in 2013 if not sooner.A delay to the restoration of pay to keep the redundancy payment figures low . I hope that the people of this city will see they've been shafted by both Labour & the Unions loosehead
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11:53pm Sat 26 May 12

IronLady2010 says...

It's like a comedy show. The muppets take over and do the same as they always do, amuse us all, but achieve nothing.

Good look to us all, we're going to need it!
It's like a comedy show. The muppets take over and do the same as they always do, amuse us all, but achieve nothing. Good look to us all, we're going to need it! IronLady2010
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1:02am Sun 27 May 12

OceansofRed says...

Labour oddly quite. I wonder whether their loud blogging council will comment about this mess on his weekly Sunday updates.
Labour oddly quite. I wonder whether their loud blogging council will comment about this mess on his weekly Sunday updates. OceansofRed
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6:44am Sun 27 May 12

aldermoorboy says...

I wonder why our two Labour MP's are so silent over this issue.
They normally have a view.
This silence says a lot about Whitehead and Denham, no leadership here then.
I wonder why our two Labour MP's are so silent over this issue. They normally have a view. This silence says a lot about Whitehead and Denham, no leadership here then. aldermoorboy
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7:40am Sun 27 May 12

RICK ALLANACH. says...

Why isn't this news on our local TV stations?

Come on Fred Dinage and Sally Taylor, the people of Southampton deserve to know the truth.

Labour in Southampton should hold their heads in shame as they should also nationally. They are a disgrace to democracy.
Why isn't this news on our local TV stations? Come on Fred Dinage and Sally Taylor, the people of Southampton deserve to know the truth. Labour in Southampton should hold their heads in shame as they should also nationally. They are a disgrace to democracy. RICK ALLANACH.
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7:41am Sun 27 May 12

RICK ALLANACH. says...

Why isn't this news on our local TV stations?

Come on Fred Dinage and Sally Taylor, the people of Southampton deserve to know the truth.

Labour in Southampton should hold their heads in shame as they should also nationally. They are a disgrace to democracy.
Why isn't this news on our local TV stations? Come on Fred Dinage and Sally Taylor, the people of Southampton deserve to know the truth. Labour in Southampton should hold their heads in shame as they should also nationally. They are a disgrace to democracy. RICK ALLANACH.
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7:59am Sun 27 May 12

Datarater says...

Williamsgate continues. We are used to them lying to us but now they are lying to each other.
Williamsgate continues. We are used to them lying to us but now they are lying to each other. Datarater
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8:14am Sun 27 May 12

tootle says...

If the Labour Councillors don't have enough sense to keep stum on this issue then maybe they should resign. Labour appear not to have had any firm grasp of the financial issues facing every council in the country. They should have had. At the moment they are shown as idiots being controlled by outsiders - inexperienced, wet behind & indecisive is how I would read it, Royston and cronies appear to have told the financial truth and bulldozed(right over the top of residents and workers alike) through their ideas knowing they'd likely be out this time around. Give Labour chance to settle, they may surprise us all but, unless they do resign en-masse, we are stuck with them until next year be they good, bad or indifferent.
If the Labour Councillors don't have enough sense to keep stum on this issue then maybe they should resign. Labour appear not to have had any firm grasp of the financial issues facing every council in the country. They should have had. At the moment they are shown as idiots being controlled by outsiders - inexperienced, wet behind & indecisive is how I would read it, Royston and cronies appear to have told the financial truth and bulldozed(right over the top of residents and workers alike) through their ideas knowing they'd likely be out this time around. Give Labour chance to settle, they may surprise us all but, unless they do resign en-masse, we are stuck with them until next year be they good, bad or indifferent. tootle
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8:59am Sun 27 May 12

freemantlegirl2 says...

RICK ALLANACH. wrote:
Why isn't this news on our local TV stations?

Come on Fred Dinage and Sally Taylor, the people of Southampton deserve to know the truth.

Labour in Southampton should hold their heads in shame as they should also nationally. They are a disgrace to democracy.
It's not on the newsstations because it didn't take Mr Murray long to try and dig up some dirt and cause speculation before the budget has even been revealed!

Obviously, there will still have to be savings made as the government have not funded most councils in anywhere like the means that they should. It is impossible to spend money where there is in fact none, what worries me is these huge CCTV contracts and Balfour Beattie getting a stranglehold on this city through the tender process and being given millions of taxpayer money in this present climate must be brought into question.

And Royston Smith, pot and kettle comes to mind all that craparoo you put round during last summer's dispute!

Nice try Mr Murray, I suspect this will come back and bite you on the backside, just as your 'spat' with Saints did...
[quote][p][bold]RICK ALLANACH.[/bold] wrote: Why isn't this news on our local TV stations? Come on Fred Dinage and Sally Taylor, the people of Southampton deserve to know the truth. Labour in Southampton should hold their heads in shame as they should also nationally. They are a disgrace to democracy.[/p][/quote]It's not on the newsstations because it didn't take Mr Murray long to try and dig up some dirt and cause speculation before the budget has even been revealed! Obviously, there will still have to be savings made as the government have not funded most councils in anywhere like the means that they should. It is impossible to spend money where there is in fact none, what worries me is these huge CCTV contracts and Balfour Beattie getting a stranglehold on this city through the tender process and being given millions of taxpayer money in this present climate must be brought into question. And Royston Smith, pot and kettle comes to mind all that craparoo you put round during last summer's dispute! Nice try Mr Murray, I suspect this will come back and bite you on the backside, just as your 'spat' with Saints did... freemantlegirl2
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9:21am Sun 27 May 12

aldermoorboy says...

This is a disgrace Labour have been telling lies. They should all resign now and we the tax payers should have fresh elections.
This time Labour should say we must LIVE WITHIN OUR MEANS.
The Echo our doing a great job holding politicians to account.
This is a disgrace Labour have been telling lies. They should all resign now and we the tax payers should have fresh elections. This time Labour should say we must LIVE WITHIN OUR MEANS. The Echo our doing a great job holding politicians to account. aldermoorboy
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9:45am Sun 27 May 12

The Watcher says...

Condor Man wrote:
Who is Malcolm Power and why is he directing communications on behalf of a democratically elected council he doesn't even work for? I think Eric Pickles should get involved as it's clear that the council in Southampton is not fit to govern.
Fortunately democracy doesn't follow what you or even I claim it should follow. Nor does it follow the wishes of partisan politicians from all parties, local newspapers and vested interests.
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Democracy is the will of the people and having overwhelmingly voted for a change in administration that is what they got.
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The next elections will be the judge of the current administration, not early doors squabbles, mud raking & slinging or even mid term doldrums.
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I'm afraid this faux outrage does nothing for the City nor for my party. We are increasingly looking like sore losers attempting to score cheap points.
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The electorate will be the judge and jury and this City needs politicians of all colours to put it first, as opposed to indulging in petty party politics.
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Who is Malcolm Power and why is he directing communications on behalf of a democratically elected council he doesn't even work for? I think Eric Pickles should get involved as it's clear that the council in Southampton is not fit to govern.[/p][/quote]Fortunately democracy doesn't follow what you or even I claim it should follow. Nor does it follow the wishes of partisan politicians from all parties, local newspapers and vested interests. . Democracy is the will of the people and having overwhelmingly voted for a change in administration that is what they got. . The next elections will be the judge of the current administration, not early doors squabbles, mud raking & slinging or even mid term doldrums. . I'm afraid this faux outrage does nothing for the City nor for my party. We are increasingly looking like sore losers attempting to score cheap points. . The electorate will be the judge and jury and this City needs politicians of all colours to put it first, as opposed to indulging in petty party politics. The Watcher
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9:51am Sun 27 May 12

Shoong says...

The Watcher wrote:
Condor Man wrote: Who is Malcolm Power and why is he directing communications on behalf of a democratically elected council he doesn't even work for? I think Eric Pickles should get involved as it's clear that the council in Southampton is not fit to govern.
Fortunately democracy doesn't follow what you or even I claim it should follow. Nor does it follow the wishes of partisan politicians from all parties, local newspapers and vested interests. . Democracy is the will of the people and having overwhelmingly voted for a change in administration that is what they got. . The next elections will be the judge of the current administration, not early doors squabbles, mud raking & slinging or even mid term doldrums. . I'm afraid this faux outrage does nothing for the City nor for my party. We are increasingly looking like sore losers attempting to score cheap points. . The electorate will be the judge and jury and this City needs politicians of all colours to put it first, as opposed to indulging in petty party politics.
Well yes, you expect mud slinging etc between two different parties but within the same council?

After 2 weeks?

What a joke.
[quote][p][bold]The Watcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Who is Malcolm Power and why is he directing communications on behalf of a democratically elected council he doesn't even work for? I think Eric Pickles should get involved as it's clear that the council in Southampton is not fit to govern.[/p][/quote]Fortunately democracy doesn't follow what you or even I claim it should follow. Nor does it follow the wishes of partisan politicians from all parties, local newspapers and vested interests. . Democracy is the will of the people and having overwhelmingly voted for a change in administration that is what they got. . The next elections will be the judge of the current administration, not early doors squabbles, mud raking & slinging or even mid term doldrums. . I'm afraid this faux outrage does nothing for the City nor for my party. We are increasingly looking like sore losers attempting to score cheap points. . The electorate will be the judge and jury and this City needs politicians of all colours to put it first, as opposed to indulging in petty party politics.[/p][/quote]Well yes, you expect mud slinging etc between two different parties but within the same council? After 2 weeks? What a joke. Shoong
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10:00am Sun 27 May 12

On the inside says...

Morrell lied. He has done it before and was on notice. Richard gave him a chance and again he lied. On reflection he should not have been given a job so clearly beyond his abilities.
Morrell lied. He has done it before and was on notice. Richard gave him a chance and again he lied. On reflection he should not have been given a job so clearly beyond his abilities. On the inside
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11:18am Sun 27 May 12

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.
Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it?
No it do not, Labour will do what the Tory would do and that is to sit it out.
The fun will start when there will be a revolt agianst the Labour Party and Labour voters switching to the TUSC and theres an even lower turn out in voters.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.[/p][/quote]Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it?[/p][/quote]No it do not, Labour will do what the Tory would do and that is to sit it out. The fun will start when there will be a revolt agianst the Labour Party and Labour voters switching to the TUSC and theres an even lower turn out in voters. southy
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11:29am Sun 27 May 12

southy says...

Family Man wrote:
"Censorship reflects society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime" Potter Stewart Associate Justice of the American Supreme Court
Labour where they have joined the ranks 100% Capitalism are now doing what the Torys have been doing for 100's of years, keeping a closed book.
[quote][p][bold]Family Man[/bold] wrote: "Censorship reflects society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime" Potter Stewart Associate Justice of the American Supreme Court[/p][/quote]Labour where they have joined the ranks 100% Capitalism are now doing what the Torys have been doing for 100's of years, keeping a closed book. southy
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11:36am Sun 27 May 12

southy says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
owen_thesaints wrote:
Every story I seem to read on here since the election has a comment from Royston.

I don't remember the echo ever getting so many responses to stories from Labour when they were in opposition.

I didn't realise how 'tory' the Daily Royston was...
They did, the Unions always had a say!
Not about Williams, Williams supported the Tory cuts, and Williams did not come into the lime light till after the Elections last year on May 5th 2011 and it was a few mths even after that did you see Williams speak at a Union Rally, only 3 Councillors was seen at most of the Unions Demos and Rallys. Williams was Not one of them but Morrell was.
Now that should tell you some thing about whats going on.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: Every story I seem to read on here since the election has a comment from Royston. I don't remember the echo ever getting so many responses to stories from Labour when they were in opposition. I didn't realise how 'tory' the Daily Royston was...[/p][/quote]They did, the Unions always had a say![/p][/quote]Not about Williams, Williams supported the Tory cuts, and Williams did not come into the lime light till after the Elections last year on May 5th 2011 and it was a few mths even after that did you see Williams speak at a Union Rally, only 3 Councillors was seen at most of the Unions Demos and Rallys. Williams was Not one of them but Morrell was. Now that should tell you some thing about whats going on. southy
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11:44am Sun 27 May 12

southy says...

On the inside wrote:
Morrell lied. He has done it before and was on notice. Richard gave him a chance and again he lied. On reflection he should not have been given a job so clearly beyond his abilities.
If I am hearing right whats coming out of that corner.
Morrell disagreed with what Williams is going to do and that is to more less equal Royston Cuts and just fall short of the same number of job losses.
Remember what Williams said about 1,500 job losses, and then all you got afterwards was Williams was miss quoted, but we never heard any thing from Williams over the matter, only from party members. The Torys would not tell any one how many job losses there will be under them but we do know it would off been more than the Labour Party.
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: Morrell lied. He has done it before and was on notice. Richard gave him a chance and again he lied. On reflection he should not have been given a job so clearly beyond his abilities.[/p][/quote]If I am hearing right whats coming out of that corner. Morrell disagreed with what Williams is going to do and that is to more less equal Royston Cuts and just fall short of the same number of job losses. Remember what Williams said about 1,500 job losses, and then all you got afterwards was Williams was miss quoted, but we never heard any thing from Williams over the matter, only from party members. The Torys would not tell any one how many job losses there will be under them but we do know it would off been more than the Labour Party. southy
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11:47am Sun 27 May 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
The Watcher wrote:
Condor Man wrote: Who is Malcolm Power and why is he directing communications on behalf of a democratically elected council he doesn't even work for? I think Eric Pickles should get involved as it's clear that the council in Southampton is not fit to govern.
Fortunately democracy doesn't follow what you or even I claim it should follow. Nor does it follow the wishes of partisan politicians from all parties, local newspapers and vested interests. . Democracy is the will of the people and having overwhelmingly voted for a change in administration that is what they got. . The next elections will be the judge of the current administration, not early doors squabbles, mud raking & slinging or even mid term doldrums. . I'm afraid this faux outrage does nothing for the City nor for my party. We are increasingly looking like sore losers attempting to score cheap points. . The electorate will be the judge and jury and this City needs politicians of all colours to put it first, as opposed to indulging in petty party politics.
Well yes, you expect mud slinging etc between two different parties but within the same council?

After 2 weeks?

What a joke.
Normally I would like to see more agruements with in a party over policy, that way you do not get a one man view and policy and the rest just agreeing.
Arguements with in a party is good normally it gets things sorted and you more than likely get a better policy.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Watcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Who is Malcolm Power and why is he directing communications on behalf of a democratically elected council he doesn't even work for? I think Eric Pickles should get involved as it's clear that the council in Southampton is not fit to govern.[/p][/quote]Fortunately democracy doesn't follow what you or even I claim it should follow. Nor does it follow the wishes of partisan politicians from all parties, local newspapers and vested interests. . Democracy is the will of the people and having overwhelmingly voted for a change in administration that is what they got. . The next elections will be the judge of the current administration, not early doors squabbles, mud raking & slinging or even mid term doldrums. . I'm afraid this faux outrage does nothing for the City nor for my party. We are increasingly looking like sore losers attempting to score cheap points. . The electorate will be the judge and jury and this City needs politicians of all colours to put it first, as opposed to indulging in petty party politics.[/p][/quote]Well yes, you expect mud slinging etc between two different parties but within the same council? After 2 weeks? What a joke.[/p][/quote]Normally I would like to see more agruements with in a party over policy, that way you do not get a one man view and policy and the rest just agreeing. Arguements with in a party is good normally it gets things sorted and you more than likely get a better policy. southy
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11:51am Sun 27 May 12

southy says...

Datarater wrote:
Williamsgate continues. We are used to them lying to us but now they are lying to each other.
Just like the Torys do and thats what you get with all Right Wing Partys.
[quote][p][bold]Datarater[/bold] wrote: Williamsgate continues. We are used to them lying to us but now they are lying to each other.[/p][/quote]Just like the Torys do and thats what you get with all Right Wing Partys. southy
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11:54am Sun 27 May 12

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
On the inside wrote:
Morrell lied. He has done it before and was on notice. Richard gave him a chance and again he lied. On reflection he should not have been given a job so clearly beyond his abilities.
If I am hearing right whats coming out of that corner.
Morrell disagreed with what Williams is going to do and that is to more less equal Royston Cuts and just fall short of the same number of job losses.
Remember what Williams said about 1,500 job losses, and then all you got afterwards was Williams was miss quoted, but we never heard any thing from Williams over the matter, only from party members. The Torys would not tell any one how many job losses there will be under them but we do know it would off been more than the Labour Party.
Southy will you admit that Williams has been lying all this time?
I've heard Morrell is a decent guy & staunch Labour man so why would he lie to stain his party & show his leader out to be a total liar so will you admit he's lying?
FM2 can't see what's stood right in front of her but that doesn't surprise me as she seems blinkered to anything Labour
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: Morrell lied. He has done it before and was on notice. Richard gave him a chance and again he lied. On reflection he should not have been given a job so clearly beyond his abilities.[/p][/quote]If I am hearing right whats coming out of that corner. Morrell disagreed with what Williams is going to do and that is to more less equal Royston Cuts and just fall short of the same number of job losses. Remember what Williams said about 1,500 job losses, and then all you got afterwards was Williams was miss quoted, but we never heard any thing from Williams over the matter, only from party members. The Torys would not tell any one how many job losses there will be under them but we do know it would off been more than the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]Southy will you admit that Williams has been lying all this time? I've heard Morrell is a decent guy & staunch Labour man so why would he lie to stain his party & show his leader out to be a total liar so will you admit he's lying? FM2 can't see what's stood right in front of her but that doesn't surprise me as she seems blinkered to anything Labour loosehead
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12:04pm Sun 27 May 12

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
The Echo allowed Williams & his two union buddies to write articles slating Royston & the Tory council.
they allowed them to spout their lies & deceive their own members.
the Echo couldn't really say your lying & refuse to print it so yes they printed it.
when Williams said there would be fortnightly collections & 1-10 job losses to a reporter Only then to say he didn't say it the Echo should have attacked him & proven him to be the liar he is. But they didn't yet Labour/Unionists & left wingers say the Echo is Pro Tory?
Royston was attacked vilified even accused of staging the killings on the sub as a PR stunt,
Now I hope the council workers can see that they've been lied to by their Unions & the Labour Party.
The Tories put it on the table "If you take pay cuts we can keep the amount of job losses to a minimum" The Unions reply was No hit the banks ? a local; council hit a bank?
Williams has been told countless times as has his colleagues there would be a £45million cut this year so how were they going to pay for it if they won?
Then they made promises that Morrel Knows they can't keep & their whole Manifesto is a sham.
1,500 job cuts at least in 2013 Huge rise in council tax in 2013 if not sooner.A delay to the restoration of pay to keep the redundancy payment figures low .
I hope that the people of this city will see they've been shafted by both Labour & the Unions
You will never know what really happen on that Sub that day because of what Navy Unit was on there at the time.

Agreed on the Job losses 1,500 of them by the end off 2 years, but it would of been more under a Tory Council, all the Torys was willing to say was how many jobs would be saved, and not how many would be gone.

Correction on the £45 millions, that was the totally short fall not cuts, The Torys would off made £36 million of cuts over the next 2 years, Labour is gong to make £34 million of cuts over the next 2 years saving more jobs than the Torys would of done.
It don't matter if it Was a Tory or Labour Council the people of the city was going to shafted any way.
Remember the TUSC told every one so way before the Election.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: The Echo allowed Williams & his two union buddies to write articles slating Royston & the Tory council. they allowed them to spout their lies & deceive their own members. the Echo couldn't really say your lying & refuse to print it so yes they printed it. when Williams said there would be fortnightly collections & 1-10 job losses to a reporter Only then to say he didn't say it the Echo should have attacked him & proven him to be the liar he is. But they didn't yet Labour/Unionists & left wingers say the Echo is Pro Tory? Royston was attacked vilified even accused of staging the killings on the sub as a PR stunt, Now I hope the council workers can see that they've been lied to by their Unions & the Labour Party. The Tories put it on the table "If you take pay cuts we can keep the amount of job losses to a minimum" The Unions reply was No hit the banks ? a local; council hit a bank? Williams has been told countless times as has his colleagues there would be a £45million cut this year so how were they going to pay for it if they won? Then they made promises that Morrel Knows they can't keep & their whole Manifesto is a sham. 1,500 job cuts at least in 2013 Huge rise in council tax in 2013 if not sooner.A delay to the restoration of pay to keep the redundancy payment figures low . I hope that the people of this city will see they've been shafted by both Labour & the Unions[/p][/quote]You will never know what really happen on that Sub that day because of what Navy Unit was on there at the time. Agreed on the Job losses 1,500 of them by the end off 2 years, but it would of been more under a Tory Council, all the Torys was willing to say was how many jobs would be saved, and not how many would be gone. Correction on the £45 millions, that was the totally short fall not cuts, The Torys would off made £36 million of cuts over the next 2 years, Labour is gong to make £34 million of cuts over the next 2 years saving more jobs than the Torys would of done. It don't matter if it Was a Tory or Labour Council the people of the city was going to shafted any way. Remember the TUSC told every one so way before the Election. southy
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12:04pm Sun 27 May 12

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.
Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it?
No it do not, Labour will do what the Tory would do and that is to sit it out.
The fun will start when there will be a revolt agianst the Labour Party and Labour voters switching to the TUSC and theres an even lower turn out in voters.
The big push will always come the next time and telling the useful idiots that there will be 'jam tomorrow' is the only way you can keep the ball rolling. Unfortunately the votes cast for the three main parties are numbered in the millions and they are cast by people who understand and accept reality however unpleasant it is. Your beloved Tusc is a fringe party at best and is grouped with the BNP, Ukip, Monster Raving Loony Party etc which will always attract votes cast for fun or by the disaffected. The total number of these votes will never cause a change of the system however much you want it to but do carry on backing the donkey in the Gold Cup just to amuse the rest of the population.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.[/p][/quote]Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it?[/p][/quote]No it do not, Labour will do what the Tory would do and that is to sit it out. The fun will start when there will be a revolt agianst the Labour Party and Labour voters switching to the TUSC and theres an even lower turn out in voters.[/p][/quote]The big push will always come the next time and telling the useful idiots that there will be 'jam tomorrow' is the only way you can keep the ball rolling. Unfortunately the votes cast for the three main parties are numbered in the millions and they are cast by people who understand and accept reality however unpleasant it is. Your beloved Tusc is a fringe party at best and is grouped with the BNP, Ukip, Monster Raving Loony Party etc which will always attract votes cast for fun or by the disaffected. The total number of these votes will never cause a change of the system however much you want it to but do carry on backing the donkey in the Gold Cup just to amuse the rest of the population. Torchie1
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12:07pm Sun 27 May 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

On the inside wrote:
Morrell lied. He has done it before and was on notice. Richard gave him a chance and again he lied. On reflection he should not have been given a job so clearly beyond his abilities.
Yes you are right about unreliability and opportunistic habits of Cllr. Keith Morrell, who this time for a change has even confessed that he is a ‘LIAR’
.
As you have very rightly stated that all this was known to your party (which has given up most of its good values and has become mirror image of people like Keith) why on earth he was allowed to be even candidate for election? Why Richard Williams gave him the Cabinet post? How could you lot have forgotten what he and many others did in Hampshire when for the sake of few pounds in extra allowances they decided to sell the soul of Labour by sticking two fingers to the decision of local Party’s GMC and jumped in bed with lowest form of political life, Lib-Dem (1993-97)???
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I do not want to open another can of worms for you lot and start asking what happened at a meeting in the bar of Oakland, as most of you are aware if that becomes known it will be huge big egg in the face of fake lip service to certain issues by not only NuLabour but also old Labour?
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Most importantly how can you make flimsy excuses for unfit for the purpose Richard Williams for giving Keith Morrell another chance while fully aware of what he is like, when nationally whole of your unprincipled party of turn coats rightly keeps on criticising Prime Minister Cameron for giving job to Coulson? Is that not HYPOCRISY? When are you people going to practise little bit of what you preach?
.
As I have written before interfering with freedoms of expression and press were the policies of most oppressive and obnoxious regimes like of Pinochet in Chile or may still be practised by their ‘Dear Leader’ dictator of North Korea but should not be tolerated in our democratic Britain
.
So gagging orders issued by some unelected paid official of a political party to democratically elected representatives of people which have obviously been accepted by your local unfit for the purpose ‘Dear Leader’ R. Williams should in itself be sufficient reason for his immediate removal
.
Please take my freely given sincere advice, stop lying to people, expel self confessed ‘Liar’ Cllr. Morell from the party, remove your ‘Dear Leader’ from his post and do not select him as parliamentary candidate when hard working very intelligent but politically dodgy Denham retires
.
And finally hang all your collective heads in shame and apologise to people of Southampton for failing to tell the truths and undermining freedoms of expression and press.
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: Morrell lied. He has done it before and was on notice. Richard gave him a chance and again he lied. On reflection he should not have been given a job so clearly beyond his abilities.[/p][/quote]Yes you are right about unreliability and opportunistic habits of Cllr. Keith Morrell, who this time for a change has even confessed that he is a ‘LIAR’ . As you have very rightly stated that all this was known to your party (which has given up most of its good values and has become mirror image of people like Keith) why on earth he was allowed to be even candidate for election? Why Richard Williams gave him the Cabinet post? How could you lot have forgotten what he and many others did in Hampshire when for the sake of few pounds in extra allowances they decided to sell the soul of Labour by sticking two fingers to the decision of local Party’s GMC and jumped in bed with lowest form of political life, Lib-Dem (1993-97)??? . I do not want to open another can of worms for you lot and start asking what happened at a meeting in the bar of Oakland, as most of you are aware if that becomes known it will be huge big egg in the face of fake lip service to certain issues by not only NuLabour but also old Labour? . Most importantly how can you make flimsy excuses for unfit for the purpose Richard Williams for giving Keith Morrell another chance while fully aware of what he is like, when nationally whole of your unprincipled party of turn coats rightly keeps on criticising Prime Minister Cameron for giving job to Coulson? Is that not HYPOCRISY? When are you people going to practise little bit of what you preach? . As I have written before interfering with freedoms of expression and press were the policies of most oppressive and obnoxious regimes like of Pinochet in Chile or may still be practised by their ‘Dear Leader’ dictator of North Korea but should not be tolerated in our democratic Britain . So gagging orders issued by some unelected paid official of a political party to democratically elected representatives of people which have obviously been accepted by your local unfit for the purpose ‘Dear Leader’ R. Williams should in itself be sufficient reason for his immediate removal . Please take my freely given sincere advice, stop lying to people, expel self confessed ‘Liar’ Cllr. Morell from the party, remove your ‘Dear Leader’ from his post and do not select him as parliamentary candidate when hard working very intelligent but politically dodgy Denham retires . And finally hang all your collective heads in shame and apologise to people of Southampton for failing to tell the truths and undermining freedoms of expression and press. Paramjit Bahia
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12:10pm Sun 27 May 12

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
On the inside wrote:
Morrell lied. He has done it before and was on notice. Richard gave him a chance and again he lied. On reflection he should not have been given a job so clearly beyond his abilities.
If I am hearing right whats coming out of that corner.
Morrell disagreed with what Williams is going to do and that is to more less equal Royston Cuts and just fall short of the same number of job losses.
Remember what Williams said about 1,500 job losses, and then all you got afterwards was Williams was miss quoted, but we never heard any thing from Williams over the matter, only from party members. The Torys would not tell any one how many job losses there will be under them but we do know it would off been more than the Labour Party.
Southy will you admit that Williams has been lying all this time?
I've heard Morrell is a decent guy & staunch Labour man so why would he lie to stain his party & show his leader out to be a total liar so will you admit he's lying?
FM2 can't see what's stood right in front of her but that doesn't surprise me as she seems blinkered to anything Labour
Remember what I was telling you before the Dustbin Strikes happened.
Labour is as Right Wing as the Torys there is no real difference between them and there Policy and there closed books.
Don't knock FM2 to much she as ran down Labour as much as she as ran down Torys the same applies to Paramjit.
I think Morrell is a half decent guy too. But Williams will follow what the National Party tells him as go's with the Torys do as they are told by the National Tory Comittee
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: Morrell lied. He has done it before and was on notice. Richard gave him a chance and again he lied. On reflection he should not have been given a job so clearly beyond his abilities.[/p][/quote]If I am hearing right whats coming out of that corner. Morrell disagreed with what Williams is going to do and that is to more less equal Royston Cuts and just fall short of the same number of job losses. Remember what Williams said about 1,500 job losses, and then all you got afterwards was Williams was miss quoted, but we never heard any thing from Williams over the matter, only from party members. The Torys would not tell any one how many job losses there will be under them but we do know it would off been more than the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]Southy will you admit that Williams has been lying all this time? I've heard Morrell is a decent guy & staunch Labour man so why would he lie to stain his party & show his leader out to be a total liar so will you admit he's lying? FM2 can't see what's stood right in front of her but that doesn't surprise me as she seems blinkered to anything Labour[/p][/quote]Remember what I was telling you before the Dustbin Strikes happened. Labour is as Right Wing as the Torys there is no real difference between them and there Policy and there closed books. Don't knock FM2 to much she as ran down Labour as much as she as ran down Torys the same applies to Paramjit. I think Morrell is a half decent guy too. But Williams will follow what the National Party tells him as go's with the Torys do as they are told by the National Tory Comittee southy
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12:13pm Sun 27 May 12

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
On the inside wrote:
Morrell lied. He has done it before and was on notice. Richard gave him a chance and again he lied. On reflection he should not have been given a job so clearly beyond his abilities.
If I am hearing right whats coming out of that corner.
Morrell disagreed with what Williams is going to do and that is to more less equal Royston Cuts and just fall short of the same number of job losses.
Remember what Williams said about 1,500 job losses, and then all you got afterwards was Williams was miss quoted, but we never heard any thing from Williams over the matter, only from party members. The Torys would not tell any one how many job losses there will be under them but we do know it would off been more than the Labour Party.
Southy will you admit that Williams has been lying all this time?
I've heard Morrell is a decent guy & staunch Labour man so why would he lie to stain his party & show his leader out to be a total liar so will you admit he's lying?
FM2 can't see what's stood right in front of her but that doesn't surprise me as she seems blinkered to anything Labour
Remember what I was telling you before the Dustbin Strikes happened.
Labour is as Right Wing as the Torys there is no real difference between them and there Policy and there closed books.
Don't knock FM2 to much she as ran down Labour as much as she as ran down Torys the same applies to Paramjit.
I think Morrell is a half decent guy too. But Williams will follow what the National Party tells him as go's with the Torys do as they are told by the National Tory Comittee
But is Williams a liar?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: Morrell lied. He has done it before and was on notice. Richard gave him a chance and again he lied. On reflection he should not have been given a job so clearly beyond his abilities.[/p][/quote]If I am hearing right whats coming out of that corner. Morrell disagreed with what Williams is going to do and that is to more less equal Royston Cuts and just fall short of the same number of job losses. Remember what Williams said about 1,500 job losses, and then all you got afterwards was Williams was miss quoted, but we never heard any thing from Williams over the matter, only from party members. The Torys would not tell any one how many job losses there will be under them but we do know it would off been more than the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]Southy will you admit that Williams has been lying all this time? I've heard Morrell is a decent guy & staunch Labour man so why would he lie to stain his party & show his leader out to be a total liar so will you admit he's lying? FM2 can't see what's stood right in front of her but that doesn't surprise me as she seems blinkered to anything Labour[/p][/quote]Remember what I was telling you before the Dustbin Strikes happened. Labour is as Right Wing as the Torys there is no real difference between them and there Policy and there closed books. Don't knock FM2 to much she as ran down Labour as much as she as ran down Torys the same applies to Paramjit. I think Morrell is a half decent guy too. But Williams will follow what the National Party tells him as go's with the Torys do as they are told by the National Tory Comittee[/p][/quote]But is Williams a liar? loosehead
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12:16pm Sun 27 May 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
RICK ALLANACH. wrote:
Why isn't this news on our local TV stations?

Come on Fred Dinage and Sally Taylor, the people of Southampton deserve to know the truth.

Labour in Southampton should hold their heads in shame as they should also nationally. They are a disgrace to democracy.
It's not on the newsstations because it didn't take Mr Murray long to try and dig up some dirt and cause speculation before the budget has even been revealed!

Obviously, there will still have to be savings made as the government have not funded most councils in anywhere like the means that they should. It is impossible to spend money where there is in fact none, what worries me is these huge CCTV contracts and Balfour Beattie getting a stranglehold on this city through the tender process and being given millions of taxpayer money in this present climate must be brought into question.

And Royston Smith, pot and kettle comes to mind all that craparoo you put round during last summer's dispute!

Nice try Mr Murray, I suspect this will come back and bite you on the backside, just as your 'spat' with Saints did...
That is typical NuLabourite hypocrisy
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Why is it if Tories used to say the same thing most of NuLabourites attacked that person, but copying their script becomes acceptable when NuLabour is in charge?
And lying becomes acceptable while sticking two fingers to freedom of expression and press
[quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RICK ALLANACH.[/bold] wrote: Why isn't this news on our local TV stations? Come on Fred Dinage and Sally Taylor, the people of Southampton deserve to know the truth. Labour in Southampton should hold their heads in shame as they should also nationally. They are a disgrace to democracy.[/p][/quote]It's not on the newsstations because it didn't take Mr Murray long to try and dig up some dirt and cause speculation before the budget has even been revealed! Obviously, there will still have to be savings made as the government have not funded most councils in anywhere like the means that they should. It is impossible to spend money where there is in fact none, what worries me is these huge CCTV contracts and Balfour Beattie getting a stranglehold on this city through the tender process and being given millions of taxpayer money in this present climate must be brought into question. And Royston Smith, pot and kettle comes to mind all that craparoo you put round during last summer's dispute! Nice try Mr Murray, I suspect this will come back and bite you on the backside, just as your 'spat' with Saints did...[/p][/quote]That is typical NuLabourite hypocrisy . Why is it if Tories used to say the same thing most of NuLabourites attacked that person, but copying their script becomes acceptable when NuLabour is in charge? And lying becomes acceptable while sticking two fingers to freedom of expression and press Paramjit Bahia
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12:20pm Sun 27 May 12

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.
Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it?
No it do not, Labour will do what the Tory would do and that is to sit it out.
The fun will start when there will be a revolt agianst the Labour Party and Labour voters switching to the TUSC and theres an even lower turn out in voters.
The big push will always come the next time and telling the useful idiots that there will be 'jam tomorrow' is the only way you can keep the ball rolling. Unfortunately the votes cast for the three main parties are numbered in the millions and they are cast by people who understand and accept reality however unpleasant it is. Your beloved Tusc is a fringe party at best and is grouped with the BNP, Ukip, Monster Raving Loony Party etc which will always attract votes cast for fun or by the disaffected. The total number of these votes will never cause a change of the system however much you want it to but do carry on backing the donkey in the Gold Cup just to amuse the rest of the population.
We are not that finge of a party as you think parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC.

Just look what as happened in Greece the True Socialist party have gone less than 3% of the vote to having a say in Government in the last 2 Elections there and are expected to win the next election and why the normally 2 main partys will not vote for a general election in a no-confidence bill in the Government.
Rome was not built in a day, so you keep saying what your more than likely will end up eating your own words, all it will take is show the people what difference there really is in the Tory's, Labour, BNP, Lib/dems, UKIP and that is very little. its only the TUSC that will offer a ral difference.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.[/p][/quote]Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it?[/p][/quote]No it do not, Labour will do what the Tory would do and that is to sit it out. The fun will start when there will be a revolt agianst the Labour Party and Labour voters switching to the TUSC and theres an even lower turn out in voters.[/p][/quote]The big push will always come the next time and telling the useful idiots that there will be 'jam tomorrow' is the only way you can keep the ball rolling. Unfortunately the votes cast for the three main parties are numbered in the millions and they are cast by people who understand and accept reality however unpleasant it is. Your beloved Tusc is a fringe party at best and is grouped with the BNP, Ukip, Monster Raving Loony Party etc which will always attract votes cast for fun or by the disaffected. The total number of these votes will never cause a change of the system however much you want it to but do carry on backing the donkey in the Gold Cup just to amuse the rest of the population.[/p][/quote]We are not that finge of a party as you think parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC. Just look what as happened in Greece the True Socialist party have gone less than 3% of the vote to having a say in Government in the last 2 Elections there and are expected to win the next election and why the normally 2 main partys will not vote for a general election in a no-confidence bill in the Government. Rome was not built in a day, so you keep saying what your more than likely will end up eating your own words, all it will take is show the people what difference there really is in the Tory's, Labour, BNP, Lib/dems, UKIP and that is very little. its only the TUSC that will offer a ral difference. southy
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12:23pm Sun 27 May 12

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
On the inside wrote:
Morrell lied. He has done it before and was on notice. Richard gave him a chance and again he lied. On reflection he should not have been given a job so clearly beyond his abilities.
If I am hearing right whats coming out of that corner.
Morrell disagreed with what Williams is going to do and that is to more less equal Royston Cuts and just fall short of the same number of job losses.
Remember what Williams said about 1,500 job losses, and then all you got afterwards was Williams was miss quoted, but we never heard any thing from Williams over the matter, only from party members. The Torys would not tell any one how many job losses there will be under them but we do know it would off been more than the Labour Party.
Southy will you admit that Williams has been lying all this time?
I've heard Morrell is a decent guy & staunch Labour man so why would he lie to stain his party & show his leader out to be a total liar so will you admit he's lying?
FM2 can't see what's stood right in front of her but that doesn't surprise me as she seems blinkered to anything Labour
Remember what I was telling you before the Dustbin Strikes happened.
Labour is as Right Wing as the Torys there is no real difference between them and there Policy and there closed books.
Don't knock FM2 to much she as ran down Labour as much as she as ran down Torys the same applies to Paramjit.
I think Morrell is a half decent guy too. But Williams will follow what the National Party tells him as go's with the Torys do as they are told by the National Tory Comittee
But is Williams a liar?
He is grossly misleading same as Royston Smith
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: Morrell lied. He has done it before and was on notice. Richard gave him a chance and again he lied. On reflection he should not have been given a job so clearly beyond his abilities.[/p][/quote]If I am hearing right whats coming out of that corner. Morrell disagreed with what Williams is going to do and that is to more less equal Royston Cuts and just fall short of the same number of job losses. Remember what Williams said about 1,500 job losses, and then all you got afterwards was Williams was miss quoted, but we never heard any thing from Williams over the matter, only from party members. The Torys would not tell any one how many job losses there will be under them but we do know it would off been more than the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]Southy will you admit that Williams has been lying all this time? I've heard Morrell is a decent guy & staunch Labour man so why would he lie to stain his party & show his leader out to be a total liar so will you admit he's lying? FM2 can't see what's stood right in front of her but that doesn't surprise me as she seems blinkered to anything Labour[/p][/quote]Remember what I was telling you before the Dustbin Strikes happened. Labour is as Right Wing as the Torys there is no real difference between them and there Policy and there closed books. Don't knock FM2 to much she as ran down Labour as much as she as ran down Torys the same applies to Paramjit. I think Morrell is a half decent guy too. But Williams will follow what the National Party tells him as go's with the Torys do as they are told by the National Tory Comittee[/p][/quote]But is Williams a liar?[/p][/quote]He is grossly misleading same as Royston Smith southy
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12:43pm Sun 27 May 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
On the inside wrote:
Morrell lied. He has done it before and was on notice. Richard gave him a chance and again he lied. On reflection he should not have been given a job so clearly beyond his abilities.
If I am hearing right whats coming out of that corner.
Morrell disagreed with what Williams is going to do and that is to more less equal Royston Cuts and just fall short of the same number of job losses.
Remember what Williams said about 1,500 job losses, and then all you got afterwards was Williams was miss quoted, but we never heard any thing from Williams over the matter, only from party members. The Torys would not tell any one how many job losses there will be under them but we do know it would off been more than the Labour Party.
Southy will you admit that Williams has been lying all this time?
I've heard Morrell is a decent guy & staunch Labour man so why would he lie to stain his party & show his leader out to be a total liar so will you admit he's lying?
FM2 can't see what's stood right in front of her but that doesn't surprise me as she seems blinkered to anything Labour
Remember what I was telling you before the Dustbin Strikes happened.
Labour is as Right Wing as the Torys there is no real difference between them and there Policy and there closed books.
Don't knock FM2 to much she as ran down Labour as much as she as ran down Torys the same applies to Paramjit.
I think Morrell is a half decent guy too. But Williams will follow what the National Party tells him as go's with the Torys do as they are told by the National Tory Comittee
Southy, Sorry to say I can’t force myself to back you saying “I think Morrell is a half decent guy too”
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If your definition of half decent means that off and on he contributed to your sister Trotskyite groups in the shape of Militant and later within the Labour Party renamed ‘Socialist Appeal’ then that may be the matter for your own conscience or for your Socialist Party’. I can not possibly associate with that view
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You should know that I have been very critical of likes of Morrell for many years, and also of Trotskyite groups for being addicted to making mistakes regarding what kinds they often promote, BUT this time even he has admitted to having conspired to tell ‘LIES’
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There should be no place for SELF CONFESSED LIARS IN PUBLIC LIFE
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Hope what you are saying is only your personal opinion, but if that is endorsed by TUSC, I will be saying good bye to that kind of organisation. I have wasted plenty of my life often torturing my conscience while staying member of Labour Party which meant tolerating some unsavoury characters, but at my age I want to die with clear conscience, so will not start endorsing SELF CONFESSED LIARS.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: Morrell lied. He has done it before and was on notice. Richard gave him a chance and again he lied. On reflection he should not have been given a job so clearly beyond his abilities.[/p][/quote]If I am hearing right whats coming out of that corner. Morrell disagreed with what Williams is going to do and that is to more less equal Royston Cuts and just fall short of the same number of job losses. Remember what Williams said about 1,500 job losses, and then all you got afterwards was Williams was miss quoted, but we never heard any thing from Williams over the matter, only from party members. The Torys would not tell any one how many job losses there will be under them but we do know it would off been more than the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]Southy will you admit that Williams has been lying all this time? I've heard Morrell is a decent guy & staunch Labour man so why would he lie to stain his party & show his leader out to be a total liar so will you admit he's lying? FM2 can't see what's stood right in front of her but that doesn't surprise me as she seems blinkered to anything Labour[/p][/quote]Remember what I was telling you before the Dustbin Strikes happened. Labour is as Right Wing as the Torys there is no real difference between them and there Policy and there closed books. Don't knock FM2 to much she as ran down Labour as much as she as ran down Torys the same applies to Paramjit. I think Morrell is a half decent guy too. But Williams will follow what the National Party tells him as go's with the Torys do as they are told by the National Tory Comittee[/p][/quote]Southy, Sorry to say I can’t force myself to back you saying “I think Morrell is a half decent guy too” . If your definition of half decent means that off and on he contributed to your sister Trotskyite groups in the shape of Militant and later within the Labour Party renamed ‘Socialist Appeal’ then that may be the matter for your own conscience or for your Socialist Party’. I can not possibly associate with that view . You should know that I have been very critical of likes of Morrell for many years, and also of Trotskyite groups for being addicted to making mistakes regarding what kinds they often promote, BUT this time even he has admitted to having conspired to tell ‘LIES’ . There should be no place for SELF CONFESSED LIARS IN PUBLIC LIFE . Hope what you are saying is only your personal opinion, but if that is endorsed by TUSC, I will be saying good bye to that kind of organisation. I have wasted plenty of my life often torturing my conscience while staying member of Labour Party which meant tolerating some unsavoury characters, but at my age I want to die with clear conscience, so will not start endorsing SELF CONFESSED LIARS. Paramjit Bahia
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12:46pm Sun 27 May 12

Condor Man says...

How was Royston a liar? he's been the most upfront and honest Council leader the city has had in a generation.
How was Royston a liar? he's been the most upfront and honest Council leader the city has had in a generation. Condor Man
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12:55pm Sun 27 May 12

southy says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
On the inside wrote:
Morrell lied. He has done it before and was on notice. Richard gave him a chance and again he lied. On reflection he should not have been given a job so clearly beyond his abilities.
If I am hearing right whats coming out of that corner.
Morrell disagreed with what Williams is going to do and that is to more less equal Royston Cuts and just fall short of the same number of job losses.
Remember what Williams said about 1,500 job losses, and then all you got afterwards was Williams was miss quoted, but we never heard any thing from Williams over the matter, only from party members. The Torys would not tell any one how many job losses there will be under them but we do know it would off been more than the Labour Party.
Southy will you admit that Williams has been lying all this time?
I've heard Morrell is a decent guy & staunch Labour man so why would he lie to stain his party & show his leader out to be a total liar so will you admit he's lying?
FM2 can't see what's stood right in front of her but that doesn't surprise me as she seems blinkered to anything Labour
Remember what I was telling you before the Dustbin Strikes happened.
Labour is as Right Wing as the Torys there is no real difference between them and there Policy and there closed books.
Don't knock FM2 to much she as ran down Labour as much as she as ran down Torys the same applies to Paramjit.
I think Morrell is a half decent guy too. But Williams will follow what the National Party tells him as go's with the Torys do as they are told by the National Tory Comittee
Southy, Sorry to say I can’t force myself to back you saying “I think Morrell is a half decent guy too”
.
If your definition of half decent means that off and on he contributed to your sister Trotskyite groups in the shape of Militant and later within the Labour Party renamed ‘Socialist Appeal’ then that may be the matter for your own conscience or for your Socialist Party’. I can not possibly associate with that view
.
You should know that I have been very critical of likes of Morrell for many years, and also of Trotskyite groups for being addicted to making mistakes regarding what kinds they often promote, BUT this time even he has admitted to having conspired to tell ‘LIES’
.
There should be no place for SELF CONFESSED LIARS IN PUBLIC LIFE
.
Hope what you are saying is only your personal opinion, but if that is endorsed by TUSC, I will be saying good bye to that kind of organisation. I have wasted plenty of my life often torturing my conscience while staying member of Labour Party which meant tolerating some unsavoury characters, but at my age I want to die with clear conscience, so will not start endorsing SELF CONFESSED LIARS.
What I am saying is that he as done the right thing in the past, like supporting the Unions all the way though the strike and not crossing the picket lines where as Williams as done, but he fell short of going all the way like voting no to all cuts.
As for endorsing public liars I don't, we see enough of that from the Torys but then I do expect it from them.
And what I think about this Williams V's Morrell theres a lot more to it than what been said or to what I have heard, and have the feeling Morrell was push for the sake of Williams and his political Career off wanting to be an MP.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: Morrell lied. He has done it before and was on notice. Richard gave him a chance and again he lied. On reflection he should not have been given a job so clearly beyond his abilities.[/p][/quote]If I am hearing right whats coming out of that corner. Morrell disagreed with what Williams is going to do and that is to more less equal Royston Cuts and just fall short of the same number of job losses. Remember what Williams said about 1,500 job losses, and then all you got afterwards was Williams was miss quoted, but we never heard any thing from Williams over the matter, only from party members. The Torys would not tell any one how many job losses there will be under them but we do know it would off been more than the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]Southy will you admit that Williams has been lying all this time? I've heard Morrell is a decent guy & staunch Labour man so why would he lie to stain his party & show his leader out to be a total liar so will you admit he's lying? FM2 can't see what's stood right in front of her but that doesn't surprise me as she seems blinkered to anything Labour[/p][/quote]Remember what I was telling you before the Dustbin Strikes happened. Labour is as Right Wing as the Torys there is no real difference between them and there Policy and there closed books. Don't knock FM2 to much she as ran down Labour as much as she as ran down Torys the same applies to Paramjit. I think Morrell is a half decent guy too. But Williams will follow what the National Party tells him as go's with the Torys do as they are told by the National Tory Comittee[/p][/quote]Southy, Sorry to say I can’t force myself to back you saying “I think Morrell is a half decent guy too” . If your definition of half decent means that off and on he contributed to your sister Trotskyite groups in the shape of Militant and later within the Labour Party renamed ‘Socialist Appeal’ then that may be the matter for your own conscience or for your Socialist Party’. I can not possibly associate with that view . You should know that I have been very critical of likes of Morrell for many years, and also of Trotskyite groups for being addicted to making mistakes regarding what kinds they often promote, BUT this time even he has admitted to having conspired to tell ‘LIES’ . There should be no place for SELF CONFESSED LIARS IN PUBLIC LIFE . Hope what you are saying is only your personal opinion, but if that is endorsed by TUSC, I will be saying good bye to that kind of organisation. I have wasted plenty of my life often torturing my conscience while staying member of Labour Party which meant tolerating some unsavoury characters, but at my age I want to die with clear conscience, so will not start endorsing SELF CONFESSED LIARS.[/p][/quote]What I am saying is that he as done the right thing in the past, like supporting the Unions all the way though the strike and not crossing the picket lines where as Williams as done, but he fell short of going all the way like voting no to all cuts. As for endorsing public liars I don't, we see enough of that from the Torys but then I do expect it from them. And what I think about this Williams V's Morrell theres a lot more to it than what been said or to what I have heard, and have the feeling Morrell was push for the sake of Williams and his political Career off wanting to be an MP. southy
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12:59pm Sun 27 May 12

southy says...

Condor Man wrote:
How was Royston a liar? he's been the most upfront and honest Council leader the city has had in a generation.
He been very missleading to the Public Condor Man and only been spinning the bits he thinks that the public wants to hear, He will never be upfront and honest with the public no Tory or Right wing can afford to be, it would result in mass lost of votes.
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: How was Royston a liar? he's been the most upfront and honest Council leader the city has had in a generation.[/p][/quote]He been very missleading to the Public Condor Man and only been spinning the bits he thinks that the public wants to hear, He will never be upfront and honest with the public no Tory or Right wing can afford to be, it would result in mass lost of votes. southy
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1:58pm Sun 27 May 12

The Watcher says...

Shoong wrote:
The Watcher wrote:
Condor Man wrote: Who is Malcolm Power and why is he directing communications on behalf of a democratically elected council he doesn't even work for? I think Eric Pickles should get involved as it's clear that the council in Southampton is not fit to govern.
Fortunately democracy doesn't follow what you or even I claim it should follow. Nor does it follow the wishes of partisan politicians from all parties, local newspapers and vested interests. . Democracy is the will of the people and having overwhelmingly voted for a change in administration that is what they got. . The next elections will be the judge of the current administration, not early doors squabbles, mud raking & slinging or even mid term doldrums. . I'm afraid this faux outrage does nothing for the City nor for my party. We are increasingly looking like sore losers attempting to score cheap points. . The electorate will be the judge and jury and this City needs politicians of all colours to put it first, as opposed to indulging in petty party politics.
Well yes, you expect mud slinging etc between two different parties but within the same council?

After 2 weeks?

What a joke.
You are either somewhat naive in your view of politics or just another adding to the faux outrage.
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All political parties have differences of opinion, indeed my own is torn on issues such as EU membership, immigration and other social policies. But differences of opinion are good and I would hate it if political parties only held one viewpoint.
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The main parties should be broad churches and we should embrace the multitude of ideas and opinions within them, not seek to stigmatise or make cheap political points.
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National politics is bad enough with PPE degreed Stepfordesque politicians, please don't let local politics go the same way.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Watcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Who is Malcolm Power and why is he directing communications on behalf of a democratically elected council he doesn't even work for? I think Eric Pickles should get involved as it's clear that the council in Southampton is not fit to govern.[/p][/quote]Fortunately democracy doesn't follow what you or even I claim it should follow. Nor does it follow the wishes of partisan politicians from all parties, local newspapers and vested interests. . Democracy is the will of the people and having overwhelmingly voted for a change in administration that is what they got. . The next elections will be the judge of the current administration, not early doors squabbles, mud raking & slinging or even mid term doldrums. . I'm afraid this faux outrage does nothing for the City nor for my party. We are increasingly looking like sore losers attempting to score cheap points. . The electorate will be the judge and jury and this City needs politicians of all colours to put it first, as opposed to indulging in petty party politics.[/p][/quote]Well yes, you expect mud slinging etc between two different parties but within the same council? After 2 weeks? What a joke.[/p][/quote]You are either somewhat naive in your view of politics or just another adding to the faux outrage. . All political parties have differences of opinion, indeed my own is torn on issues such as EU membership, immigration and other social policies. But differences of opinion are good and I would hate it if political parties only held one viewpoint. . The main parties should be broad churches and we should embrace the multitude of ideas and opinions within them, not seek to stigmatise or make cheap political points. . National politics is bad enough with PPE degreed Stepfordesque politicians, please don't let local politics go the same way. The Watcher
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3:00pm Sun 27 May 12

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.
Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it?
No it do not, Labour will do what the Tory would do and that is to sit it out.
The fun will start when there will be a revolt agianst the Labour Party and Labour voters switching to the TUSC and theres an even lower turn out in voters.
The big push will always come the next time and telling the useful idiots that there will be 'jam tomorrow' is the only way you can keep the ball rolling. Unfortunately the votes cast for the three main parties are numbered in the millions and they are cast by people who understand and accept reality however unpleasant it is. Your beloved Tusc is a fringe party at best and is grouped with the BNP, Ukip, Monster Raving Loony Party etc which will always attract votes cast for fun or by the disaffected. The total number of these votes will never cause a change of the system however much you want it to but do carry on backing the donkey in the Gold Cup just to amuse the rest of the population.
We are not that finge of a party as you think parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC.

Just look what as happened in Greece the True Socialist party have gone less than 3% of the vote to having a say in Government in the last 2 Elections there and are expected to win the next election and why the normally 2 main partys will not vote for a general election in a no-confidence bill in the Government.
Rome was not built in a day, so you keep saying what your more than likely will end up eating your own words, all it will take is show the people what difference there really is in the Tory's, Labour, BNP, Lib/dems, UKIP and that is very little. its only the TUSC that will offer a ral difference.
The Nazi Party started in a small way if you are looking for comforting details from history but the socialists just got slung out in Spain. Hollande has just taken over in France but the whole of Eastern Europe moved to the right twenty years ago. Don't select convenient facts to suit your argument because someone else will easily find counter arguments to bring you back to earth. Governments make unpopular decisions and opposition parties offer what the electorate want to hear. Only the terminally stupid believe that the opposition will have a different economy to deal with and all of those rosy promises will be kept. All of the fringe parties leap on a minor increase in votes to point out that their day has come but it never does as historical evidence shows. Like the success of the Nazi Party the socialists in Greece should try to understand the expression 'a drowning man will clutch at straws' and both of their successes can be traced to desperate times. The only way the Greek socialists would stay in power in times of plenty will be by the usual communist ways of secret police and total state domination as practiced in the old iron curtain countries but socialism got thrown out there after forty years. Enjoy your dreams.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.[/p][/quote]Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it?[/p][/quote]No it do not, Labour will do what the Tory would do and that is to sit it out. The fun will start when there will be a revolt agianst the Labour Party and Labour voters switching to the TUSC and theres an even lower turn out in voters.[/p][/quote]The big push will always come the next time and telling the useful idiots that there will be 'jam tomorrow' is the only way you can keep the ball rolling. Unfortunately the votes cast for the three main parties are numbered in the millions and they are cast by people who understand and accept reality however unpleasant it is. Your beloved Tusc is a fringe party at best and is grouped with the BNP, Ukip, Monster Raving Loony Party etc which will always attract votes cast for fun or by the disaffected. The total number of these votes will never cause a change of the system however much you want it to but do carry on backing the donkey in the Gold Cup just to amuse the rest of the population.[/p][/quote]We are not that finge of a party as you think parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC. Just look what as happened in Greece the True Socialist party have gone less than 3% of the vote to having a say in Government in the last 2 Elections there and are expected to win the next election and why the normally 2 main partys will not vote for a general election in a no-confidence bill in the Government. Rome was not built in a day, so you keep saying what your more than likely will end up eating your own words, all it will take is show the people what difference there really is in the Tory's, Labour, BNP, Lib/dems, UKIP and that is very little. its only the TUSC that will offer a ral difference.[/p][/quote]The Nazi Party started in a small way if you are looking for comforting details from history but the socialists just got slung out in Spain. Hollande has just taken over in France but the whole of Eastern Europe moved to the right twenty years ago. Don't select convenient facts to suit your argument because someone else will easily find counter arguments to bring you back to earth. Governments make unpopular decisions and opposition parties offer what the electorate want to hear. Only the terminally stupid believe that the opposition will have a different economy to deal with and all of those rosy promises will be kept. All of the fringe parties leap on a minor increase in votes to point out that their day has come but it never does as historical evidence shows. Like the success of the Nazi Party the socialists in Greece should try to understand the expression 'a drowning man will clutch at straws' and both of their successes can be traced to desperate times. The only way the Greek socialists would stay in power in times of plenty will be by the usual communist ways of secret police and total state domination as practiced in the old iron curtain countries but socialism got thrown out there after forty years. Enjoy your dreams. Torchie1
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4:13pm Sun 27 May 12

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.
Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it?
No it do not, Labour will do what the Tory would do and that is to sit it out.
The fun will start when there will be a revolt agianst the Labour Party and Labour voters switching to the TUSC and theres an even lower turn out in voters.
The big push will always come the next time and telling the useful idiots that there will be 'jam tomorrow' is the only way you can keep the ball rolling. Unfortunately the votes cast for the three main parties are numbered in the millions and they are cast by people who understand and accept reality however unpleasant it is. Your beloved Tusc is a fringe party at best and is grouped with the BNP, Ukip, Monster Raving Loony Party etc which will always attract votes cast for fun or by the disaffected. The total number of these votes will never cause a change of the system however much you want it to but do carry on backing the donkey in the Gold Cup just to amuse the rest of the population.
We are not that finge of a party as you think parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC.

Just look what as happened in Greece the True Socialist party have gone less than 3% of the vote to having a say in Government in the last 2 Elections there and are expected to win the next election and why the normally 2 main partys will not vote for a general election in a no-confidence bill in the Government.
Rome was not built in a day, so you keep saying what your more than likely will end up eating your own words, all it will take is show the people what difference there really is in the Tory's, Labour, BNP, Lib/dems, UKIP and that is very little. its only the TUSC that will offer a ral difference.
.. 'parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC'
Oh yea?
Chapter and verse please.
Tell us more.
Who, where, when?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.[/p][/quote]Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it?[/p][/quote]No it do not, Labour will do what the Tory would do and that is to sit it out. The fun will start when there will be a revolt agianst the Labour Party and Labour voters switching to the TUSC and theres an even lower turn out in voters.[/p][/quote]The big push will always come the next time and telling the useful idiots that there will be 'jam tomorrow' is the only way you can keep the ball rolling. Unfortunately the votes cast for the three main parties are numbered in the millions and they are cast by people who understand and accept reality however unpleasant it is. Your beloved Tusc is a fringe party at best and is grouped with the BNP, Ukip, Monster Raving Loony Party etc which will always attract votes cast for fun or by the disaffected. The total number of these votes will never cause a change of the system however much you want it to but do carry on backing the donkey in the Gold Cup just to amuse the rest of the population.[/p][/quote]We are not that finge of a party as you think parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC. Just look what as happened in Greece the True Socialist party have gone less than 3% of the vote to having a say in Government in the last 2 Elections there and are expected to win the next election and why the normally 2 main partys will not vote for a general election in a no-confidence bill in the Government. Rome was not built in a day, so you keep saying what your more than likely will end up eating your own words, all it will take is show the people what difference there really is in the Tory's, Labour, BNP, Lib/dems, UKIP and that is very little. its only the TUSC that will offer a ral difference.[/p][/quote].. 'parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC' Oh yea? Chapter and verse please. Tell us more. Who, where, when? freefinker
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4:19pm Sun 27 May 12

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.
Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it?
No it do not, Labour will do what the Tory would do and that is to sit it out.
The fun will start when there will be a revolt agianst the Labour Party and Labour voters switching to the TUSC and theres an even lower turn out in voters.
The big push will always come the next time and telling the useful idiots that there will be 'jam tomorrow' is the only way you can keep the ball rolling. Unfortunately the votes cast for the three main parties are numbered in the millions and they are cast by people who understand and accept reality however unpleasant it is. Your beloved Tusc is a fringe party at best and is grouped with the BNP, Ukip, Monster Raving Loony Party etc which will always attract votes cast for fun or by the disaffected. The total number of these votes will never cause a change of the system however much you want it to but do carry on backing the donkey in the Gold Cup just to amuse the rest of the population.
We are not that finge of a party as you think parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC.

Just look what as happened in Greece the True Socialist party have gone less than 3% of the vote to having a say in Government in the last 2 Elections there and are expected to win the next election and why the normally 2 main partys will not vote for a general election in a no-confidence bill in the Government.
Rome was not built in a day, so you keep saying what your more than likely will end up eating your own words, all it will take is show the people what difference there really is in the Tory's, Labour, BNP, Lib/dems, UKIP and that is very little. its only the TUSC that will offer a ral difference.
The Nazi Party started in a small way if you are looking for comforting details from history but the socialists just got slung out in Spain. Hollande has just taken over in France but the whole of Eastern Europe moved to the right twenty years ago. Don't select convenient facts to suit your argument because someone else will easily find counter arguments to bring you back to earth. Governments make unpopular decisions and opposition parties offer what the electorate want to hear. Only the terminally stupid believe that the opposition will have a different economy to deal with and all of those rosy promises will be kept. All of the fringe parties leap on a minor increase in votes to point out that their day has come but it never does as historical evidence shows. Like the success of the Nazi Party the socialists in Greece should try to understand the expression 'a drowning man will clutch at straws' and both of their successes can be traced to desperate times. The only way the Greek socialists would stay in power in times of plenty will be by the usual communist ways of secret police and total state domination as practiced in the old iron curtain countries but socialism got thrown out there after forty years. Enjoy your dreams.
And now its starting to move to the left of centre for the first time, and in Spain look what is happening there, strikes all over the place they had there 4th General strike since the Consevatives took power and very much looks like they will having a general Election this year. as for secret police and total state domination that belongs to the Extreme Capitalism like History have proven so far. You tell the difference by there deeds not by the words Capitalism are full of false propaganda and promises that do not come to bear.
The Iron Curtain Countrys was Capitalist using the word Socialism and Communism are false propaganda, Aka Capitalist Communist.
Learn how to tell the difference between Capitalism and Socialism read up on them.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.[/p][/quote]Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it?[/p][/quote]No it do not, Labour will do what the Tory would do and that is to sit it out. The fun will start when there will be a revolt agianst the Labour Party and Labour voters switching to the TUSC and theres an even lower turn out in voters.[/p][/quote]The big push will always come the next time and telling the useful idiots that there will be 'jam tomorrow' is the only way you can keep the ball rolling. Unfortunately the votes cast for the three main parties are numbered in the millions and they are cast by people who understand and accept reality however unpleasant it is. Your beloved Tusc is a fringe party at best and is grouped with the BNP, Ukip, Monster Raving Loony Party etc which will always attract votes cast for fun or by the disaffected. The total number of these votes will never cause a change of the system however much you want it to but do carry on backing the donkey in the Gold Cup just to amuse the rest of the population.[/p][/quote]We are not that finge of a party as you think parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC. Just look what as happened in Greece the True Socialist party have gone less than 3% of the vote to having a say in Government in the last 2 Elections there and are expected to win the next election and why the normally 2 main partys will not vote for a general election in a no-confidence bill in the Government. Rome was not built in a day, so you keep saying what your more than likely will end up eating your own words, all it will take is show the people what difference there really is in the Tory's, Labour, BNP, Lib/dems, UKIP and that is very little. its only the TUSC that will offer a ral difference.[/p][/quote]The Nazi Party started in a small way if you are looking for comforting details from history but the socialists just got slung out in Spain. Hollande has just taken over in France but the whole of Eastern Europe moved to the right twenty years ago. Don't select convenient facts to suit your argument because someone else will easily find counter arguments to bring you back to earth. Governments make unpopular decisions and opposition parties offer what the electorate want to hear. Only the terminally stupid believe that the opposition will have a different economy to deal with and all of those rosy promises will be kept. All of the fringe parties leap on a minor increase in votes to point out that their day has come but it never does as historical evidence shows. Like the success of the Nazi Party the socialists in Greece should try to understand the expression 'a drowning man will clutch at straws' and both of their successes can be traced to desperate times. The only way the Greek socialists would stay in power in times of plenty will be by the usual communist ways of secret police and total state domination as practiced in the old iron curtain countries but socialism got thrown out there after forty years. Enjoy your dreams.[/p][/quote]And now its starting to move to the left of centre for the first time, and in Spain look what is happening there, strikes all over the place they had there 4th General strike since the Consevatives took power and very much looks like they will having a general Election this year. as for secret police and total state domination that belongs to the Extreme Capitalism like History have proven so far. You tell the difference by there deeds not by the words Capitalism are full of false propaganda and promises that do not come to bear. The Iron Curtain Countrys was Capitalist using the word Socialism and Communism are false propaganda, Aka Capitalist Communist. Learn how to tell the difference between Capitalism and Socialism read up on them. southy
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4:52pm Sun 27 May 12

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.
Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it?
No it do not, Labour will do what the Tory would do and that is to sit it out.
The fun will start when there will be a revolt agianst the Labour Party and Labour voters switching to the TUSC and theres an even lower turn out in voters.
The big push will always come the next time and telling the useful idiots that there will be 'jam tomorrow' is the only way you can keep the ball rolling. Unfortunately the votes cast for the three main parties are numbered in the millions and they are cast by people who understand and accept reality however unpleasant it is. Your beloved Tusc is a fringe party at best and is grouped with the BNP, Ukip, Monster Raving Loony Party etc which will always attract votes cast for fun or by the disaffected. The total number of these votes will never cause a change of the system however much you want it to but do carry on backing the donkey in the Gold Cup just to amuse the rest of the population.
We are not that finge of a party as you think parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC.

Just look what as happened in Greece the True Socialist party have gone less than 3% of the vote to having a say in Government in the last 2 Elections there and are expected to win the next election and why the normally 2 main partys will not vote for a general election in a no-confidence bill in the Government.
Rome was not built in a day, so you keep saying what your more than likely will end up eating your own words, all it will take is show the people what difference there really is in the Tory's, Labour, BNP, Lib/dems, UKIP and that is very little. its only the TUSC that will offer a ral difference.
.. 'parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC'
Oh yea?
Chapter and verse please.
Tell us more.
Who, where, when?
I gave you some on the after the local election, but you stayed dead quiet about it.
Community Action Party won I believe 8 seats in the UK, the SP lost 1 seat but gain 2 in the process, Independant Labour won seats also there is just 3 groups that are part of the TUSC there are more.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.[/p][/quote]Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it?[/p][/quote]No it do not, Labour will do what the Tory would do and that is to sit it out. The fun will start when there will be a revolt agianst the Labour Party and Labour voters switching to the TUSC and theres an even lower turn out in voters.[/p][/quote]The big push will always come the next time and telling the useful idiots that there will be 'jam tomorrow' is the only way you can keep the ball rolling. Unfortunately the votes cast for the three main parties are numbered in the millions and they are cast by people who understand and accept reality however unpleasant it is. Your beloved Tusc is a fringe party at best and is grouped with the BNP, Ukip, Monster Raving Loony Party etc which will always attract votes cast for fun or by the disaffected. The total number of these votes will never cause a change of the system however much you want it to but do carry on backing the donkey in the Gold Cup just to amuse the rest of the population.[/p][/quote]We are not that finge of a party as you think parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC. Just look what as happened in Greece the True Socialist party have gone less than 3% of the vote to having a say in Government in the last 2 Elections there and are expected to win the next election and why the normally 2 main partys will not vote for a general election in a no-confidence bill in the Government. Rome was not built in a day, so you keep saying what your more than likely will end up eating your own words, all it will take is show the people what difference there really is in the Tory's, Labour, BNP, Lib/dems, UKIP and that is very little. its only the TUSC that will offer a ral difference.[/p][/quote].. 'parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC' Oh yea? Chapter and verse please. Tell us more. Who, where, when?[/p][/quote]I gave you some on the after the local election, but you stayed dead quiet about it. Community Action Party won I believe 8 seats in the UK, the SP lost 1 seat but gain 2 in the process, Independant Labour won seats also there is just 3 groups that are part of the TUSC there are more. southy
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4:55pm Sun 27 May 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

So if somebody turns up at trade union demo or picket line in your view becomes acceptable and respectable socialist
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I do not and never have held that view. Because some of those could even be informers for other side or simply manipulating union members by expressing fake solidarity. As in Cllr. Morrell’s case, YES he may have shown his opportunist face in few places many times more than I, and also may have made more plausible sound bites, BUT then he also went on to support and vote with likes of Williams i.e. riding both horses the same time
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Sorry Southy, to you such people may appear good, but in my view double agents are more dangerous than even people with policies which I diametrically oppose; including Tories and many other right wingers in NuLabour
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That is why in personal life I have many of them as close friends because I do know what they are all about and I strongly believe in every body’s right to hold his/her own independent views, as long as they are honest in public life
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Can you honestly say that about Keith Morrell who has even admitted to conspiring to lie?
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In all fairness even Williams, on whom I not keen either, has not done that so far, that is why I am only criticising him for giving job to wrong man, so describing him as unfit/unworthy for top office
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No I do not buy your complete access to secrets about what exactly happened between Williams and Morrell anymore than fibs of my of NuLabourite mates that they had no knowledge of Council’s finances. As opposition councillors they had every right to access that information, so they are either guilty of pocketing public money and not doing their jobs or incapable of doing it or even combination of both
.
Must go got to watch Indianapolis 500
So if somebody turns up at trade union demo or picket line in your view becomes acceptable and respectable socialist . I do not and never have held that view. Because some of those could even be informers for other side or simply manipulating union members by expressing fake solidarity. As in Cllr. Morrell’s case, YES he may have shown his opportunist face in few places many times more than I, and also may have made more plausible sound bites, BUT then he also went on to support and vote with likes of Williams i.e. riding both horses the same time . Sorry Southy, to you such people may appear good, but in my view double agents are more dangerous than even people with policies which I diametrically oppose; including Tories and many other right wingers in NuLabour . That is why in personal life I have many of them as close friends because I do know what they are all about and I strongly believe in every body’s right to hold his/her own independent views, as long as they are honest in public life . Can you honestly say that about Keith Morrell who has even admitted to conspiring to lie? . In all fairness even Williams, on whom I not keen either, has not done that so far, that is why I am only criticising him for giving job to wrong man, so describing him as unfit/unworthy for top office . No I do not buy your complete access to secrets about what exactly happened between Williams and Morrell anymore than fibs of my of NuLabourite mates that they had no knowledge of Council’s finances. As opposition councillors they had every right to access that information, so they are either guilty of pocketing public money and not doing their jobs or incapable of doing it or even combination of both . Must go got to watch Indianapolis 500 Paramjit Bahia
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4:59pm Sun 27 May 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

southy wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
On the inside wrote:
Morrell lied. He has done it before and was on notice. Richard gave him a chance and again he lied. On reflection he should not have been given a job so clearly beyond his abilities.
If I am hearing right whats coming out of that corner.
Morrell disagreed with what Williams is going to do and that is to more less equal Royston Cuts and just fall short of the same number of job losses.
Remember what Williams said about 1,500 job losses, and then all you got afterwards was Williams was miss quoted, but we never heard any thing from Williams over the matter, only from party members. The Torys would not tell any one how many job losses there will be under them but we do know it would off been more than the Labour Party.
Southy will you admit that Williams has been lying all this time?
I've heard Morrell is a decent guy & staunch Labour man so why would he lie to stain his party & show his leader out to be a total liar so will you admit he's lying?
FM2 can't see what's stood right in front of her but that doesn't surprise me as she seems blinkered to anything Labour
Remember what I was telling you before the Dustbin Strikes happened.
Labour is as Right Wing as the Torys there is no real difference between them and there Policy and there closed books.
Don't knock FM2 to much she as ran down Labour as much as she as ran down Torys the same applies to Paramjit.
I think Morrell is a half decent guy too. But Williams will follow what the National Party tells him as go's with the Torys do as they are told by the National Tory Comittee
Southy, Sorry to say I can’t force myself to back you saying “I think Morrell is a half decent guy too”
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If your definition of half decent means that off and on he contributed to your sister Trotskyite groups in the shape of Militant and later within the Labour Party renamed ‘Socialist Appeal’ then that may be the matter for your own conscience or for your Socialist Party’. I can not possibly associate with that view
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You should know that I have been very critical of likes of Morrell for many years, and also of Trotskyite groups for being addicted to making mistakes regarding what kinds they often promote, BUT this time even he has admitted to having conspired to tell ‘LIES’
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There should be no place for SELF CONFESSED LIARS IN PUBLIC LIFE
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Hope what you are saying is only your personal opinion, but if that is endorsed by TUSC, I will be saying good bye to that kind of organisation. I have wasted plenty of my life often torturing my conscience while staying member of Labour Party which meant tolerating some unsavoury characters, but at my age I want to die with clear conscience, so will not start endorsing SELF CONFESSED LIARS.
What I am saying is that he as done the right thing in the past, like supporting the Unions all the way though the strike and not crossing the picket lines where as Williams as done, but he fell short of going all the way like voting no to all cuts.
As for endorsing public liars I don't, we see enough of that from the Torys but then I do expect it from them.
And what I think about this Williams V's Morrell theres a lot more to it than what been said or to what I have heard, and have the feeling Morrell was push for the sake of Williams and his political Career off wanting to be an MP.
Southy, Sorry I forgot to click reply but have posted it on its own for you to read.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: Morrell lied. He has done it before and was on notice. Richard gave him a chance and again he lied. On reflection he should not have been given a job so clearly beyond his abilities.[/p][/quote]If I am hearing right whats coming out of that corner. Morrell disagreed with what Williams is going to do and that is to more less equal Royston Cuts and just fall short of the same number of job losses. Remember what Williams said about 1,500 job losses, and then all you got afterwards was Williams was miss quoted, but we never heard any thing from Williams over the matter, only from party members. The Torys would not tell any one how many job losses there will be under them but we do know it would off been more than the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]Southy will you admit that Williams has been lying all this time? I've heard Morrell is a decent guy & staunch Labour man so why would he lie to stain his party & show his leader out to be a total liar so will you admit he's lying? FM2 can't see what's stood right in front of her but that doesn't surprise me as she seems blinkered to anything Labour[/p][/quote]Remember what I was telling you before the Dustbin Strikes happened. Labour is as Right Wing as the Torys there is no real difference between them and there Policy and there closed books. Don't knock FM2 to much she as ran down Labour as much as she as ran down Torys the same applies to Paramjit. I think Morrell is a half decent guy too. But Williams will follow what the National Party tells him as go's with the Torys do as they are told by the National Tory Comittee[/p][/quote]Southy, Sorry to say I can’t force myself to back you saying “I think Morrell is a half decent guy too” . If your definition of half decent means that off and on he contributed to your sister Trotskyite groups in the shape of Militant and later within the Labour Party renamed ‘Socialist Appeal’ then that may be the matter for your own conscience or for your Socialist Party’. I can not possibly associate with that view . You should know that I have been very critical of likes of Morrell for many years, and also of Trotskyite groups for being addicted to making mistakes regarding what kinds they often promote, BUT this time even he has admitted to having conspired to tell ‘LIES’ . There should be no place for SELF CONFESSED LIARS IN PUBLIC LIFE . Hope what you are saying is only your personal opinion, but if that is endorsed by TUSC, I will be saying good bye to that kind of organisation. I have wasted plenty of my life often torturing my conscience while staying member of Labour Party which meant tolerating some unsavoury characters, but at my age I want to die with clear conscience, so will not start endorsing SELF CONFESSED LIARS.[/p][/quote]What I am saying is that he as done the right thing in the past, like supporting the Unions all the way though the strike and not crossing the picket lines where as Williams as done, but he fell short of going all the way like voting no to all cuts. As for endorsing public liars I don't, we see enough of that from the Torys but then I do expect it from them. And what I think about this Williams V's Morrell theres a lot more to it than what been said or to what I have heard, and have the feeling Morrell was push for the sake of Williams and his political Career off wanting to be an MP.[/p][/quote]Southy, Sorry I forgot to click reply but have posted it on its own for you to read. Paramjit Bahia
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5:02pm Sun 27 May 12

J.P.M says...

David Cameron suffered a fresh blow last night when the Conservative Party chairman admitted that she failed to declare a source of income for more than a year.
David Cameron suffered a fresh blow last night when the Conservative Party chairman admitted that she failed to declare a source of income for more than a year. J.P.M
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5:11pm Sun 27 May 12

southy says...

Torchie1 Actions of Far and Extreme Capitalist aka Right wing is to do away with workers rights, do away with Unions, have no workers control at the work place, to give power to Corporations.

Do any of that sound familiar to you it should if you know your history. Hitler was one and was his party they only used the word Socialist as false propaganda because of the times and condictions at the time, now let look at what Hitler did on gaining total control of Germany, built up a war machine, gave total control of industry to the Corporation and have a big say in Government, Went after Socialist and imprison them or had them murdered, the same happened to Unions leaders, Bomb the Socialist in Spain and in Finland to allow Facist to take control, Actions of a Socialist no I don't think so, you do not kill those that will support you.
Lenin set up things like the Co-op in the Work place workers control, even the Government was set up as a co-op, What was it Stalin done on gaining power, went after Union Leaders and Socialist members and again had them imprisoned or murdered most well know murder Stalin ordered was the death of Trotsky, remove the Socialist system in government and put back the Capitalist provincial system, done away the co-op in the working place and gave total control to the Corporations, again these are not the actions of a Socialist.
Socialism is about sharing the power and the wealth.
Capitalism is about a few having power and the wealth.
Start reading and learning the difference.
Torchie1 Actions of Far and Extreme Capitalist aka Right wing is to do away with workers rights, do away with Unions, have no workers control at the work place, to give power to Corporations. Do any of that sound familiar to you it should if you know your history. Hitler was one and was his party they only used the word Socialist as false propaganda because of the times and condictions at the time, now let look at what Hitler did on gaining total control of Germany, built up a war machine, gave total control of industry to the Corporation and have a big say in Government, Went after Socialist and imprison them or had them murdered, the same happened to Unions leaders, Bomb the Socialist in Spain and in Finland to allow Facist to take control, Actions of a Socialist no I don't think so, you do not kill those that will support you. Lenin set up things like the Co-op in the Work place workers control, even the Government was set up as a co-op, What was it Stalin done on gaining power, went after Union Leaders and Socialist members and again had them imprisoned or murdered most well know murder Stalin ordered was the death of Trotsky, remove the Socialist system in government and put back the Capitalist provincial system, done away the co-op in the working place and gave total control to the Corporations, again these are not the actions of a Socialist. Socialism is about sharing the power and the wealth. Capitalism is about a few having power and the wealth. Start reading and learning the difference. southy
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5:24pm Sun 27 May 12

southy says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
On the inside wrote:
Morrell lied. He has done it before and was on notice. Richard gave him a chance and again he lied. On reflection he should not have been given a job so clearly beyond his abilities.
If I am hearing right whats coming out of that corner.
Morrell disagreed with what Williams is going to do and that is to more less equal Royston Cuts and just fall short of the same number of job losses.
Remember what Williams said about 1,500 job losses, and then all you got afterwards was Williams was miss quoted, but we never heard any thing from Williams over the matter, only from party members. The Torys would not tell any one how many job losses there will be under them but we do know it would off been more than the Labour Party.
Southy will you admit that Williams has been lying all this time?
I've heard Morrell is a decent guy & staunch Labour man so why would he lie to stain his party & show his leader out to be a total liar so will you admit he's lying?
FM2 can't see what's stood right in front of her but that doesn't surprise me as she seems blinkered to anything Labour
Remember what I was telling you before the Dustbin Strikes happened.
Labour is as Right Wing as the Torys there is no real difference between them and there Policy and there closed books.
Don't knock FM2 to much she as ran down Labour as much as she as ran down Torys the same applies to Paramjit.
I think Morrell is a half decent guy too. But Williams will follow what the National Party tells him as go's with the Torys do as they are told by the National Tory Comittee
Southy, Sorry to say I can’t force myself to back you saying “I think Morrell is a half decent guy too”
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If your definition of half decent means that off and on he contributed to your sister Trotskyite groups in the shape of Militant and later within the Labour Party renamed ‘Socialist Appeal’ then that may be the matter for your own conscience or for your Socialist Party’. I can not possibly associate with that view
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You should know that I have been very critical of likes of Morrell for many years, and also of Trotskyite groups for being addicted to making mistakes regarding what kinds they often promote, BUT this time even he has admitted to having conspired to tell ‘LIES’
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There should be no place for SELF CONFESSED LIARS IN PUBLIC LIFE
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Hope what you are saying is only your personal opinion, but if that is endorsed by TUSC, I will be saying good bye to that kind of organisation. I have wasted plenty of my life often torturing my conscience while staying member of Labour Party which meant tolerating some unsavoury characters, but at my age I want to die with clear conscience, so will not start endorsing SELF CONFESSED LIARS.
What I am saying is that he as done the right thing in the past, like supporting the Unions all the way though the strike and not crossing the picket lines where as Williams as done, but he fell short of going all the way like voting no to all cuts.
As for endorsing public liars I don't, we see enough of that from the Torys but then I do expect it from them.
And what I think about this Williams V's Morrell theres a lot more to it than what been said or to what I have heard, and have the feeling Morrell was push for the sake of Williams and his political Career off wanting to be an MP.
Southy, Sorry I forgot to click reply but have posted it on its own for you to read.
I think you miss under-standing me.
He has done some things that are right for the ordinary people, and in others he done the wrong thing.
And I think he made a stand against Williams on the matter of cuts, and I think Williams gave him the push and made the excuse up.
Don, Simon and Keith, all 3 are only half ok, Untill they are willing to put there Labour Party membership on the line and all 3 are willing to say no to any cuts, like some Labour Councillors have done in other Councils and paid the price by being kick out of the Labour Party will I think any better of them.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: Morrell lied. He has done it before and was on notice. Richard gave him a chance and again he lied. On reflection he should not have been given a job so clearly beyond his abilities.[/p][/quote]If I am hearing right whats coming out of that corner. Morrell disagreed with what Williams is going to do and that is to more less equal Royston Cuts and just fall short of the same number of job losses. Remember what Williams said about 1,500 job losses, and then all you got afterwards was Williams was miss quoted, but we never heard any thing from Williams over the matter, only from party members. The Torys would not tell any one how many job losses there will be under them but we do know it would off been more than the Labour Party.[/p][/quote]Southy will you admit that Williams has been lying all this time? I've heard Morrell is a decent guy & staunch Labour man so why would he lie to stain his party & show his leader out to be a total liar so will you admit he's lying? FM2 can't see what's stood right in front of her but that doesn't surprise me as she seems blinkered to anything Labour[/p][/quote]Remember what I was telling you before the Dustbin Strikes happened. Labour is as Right Wing as the Torys there is no real difference between them and there Policy and there closed books. Don't knock FM2 to much she as ran down Labour as much as she as ran down Torys the same applies to Paramjit. I think Morrell is a half decent guy too. But Williams will follow what the National Party tells him as go's with the Torys do as they are told by the National Tory Comittee[/p][/quote]Southy, Sorry to say I can’t force myself to back you saying “I think Morrell is a half decent guy too” . If your definition of half decent means that off and on he contributed to your sister Trotskyite groups in the shape of Militant and later within the Labour Party renamed ‘Socialist Appeal’ then that may be the matter for your own conscience or for your Socialist Party’. I can not possibly associate with that view . You should know that I have been very critical of likes of Morrell for many years, and also of Trotskyite groups for being addicted to making mistakes regarding what kinds they often promote, BUT this time even he has admitted to having conspired to tell ‘LIES’ . There should be no place for SELF CONFESSED LIARS IN PUBLIC LIFE . Hope what you are saying is only your personal opinion, but if that is endorsed by TUSC, I will be saying good bye to that kind of organisation. I have wasted plenty of my life often torturing my conscience while staying member of Labour Party which meant tolerating some unsavoury characters, but at my age I want to die with clear conscience, so will not start endorsing SELF CONFESSED LIARS.[/p][/quote]What I am saying is that he as done the right thing in the past, like supporting the Unions all the way though the strike and not crossing the picket lines where as Williams as done, but he fell short of going all the way like voting no to all cuts. As for endorsing public liars I don't, we see enough of that from the Torys but then I do expect it from them. And what I think about this Williams V's Morrell theres a lot more to it than what been said or to what I have heard, and have the feeling Morrell was push for the sake of Williams and his political Career off wanting to be an MP.[/p][/quote]Southy, Sorry I forgot to click reply but have posted it on its own for you to read.[/p][/quote]I think you miss under-standing me. He has done some things that are right for the ordinary people, and in others he done the wrong thing. And I think he made a stand against Williams on the matter of cuts, and I think Williams gave him the push and made the excuse up. Don, Simon and Keith, all 3 are only half ok, Untill they are willing to put there Labour Party membership on the line and all 3 are willing to say no to any cuts, like some Labour Councillors have done in other Councils and paid the price by being kick out of the Labour Party will I think any better of them. southy
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5:39pm Sun 27 May 12

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.
Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it?
No it do not, Labour will do what the Tory would do and that is to sit it out.
The fun will start when there will be a revolt agianst the Labour Party and Labour voters switching to the TUSC and theres an even lower turn out in voters.
The big push will always come the next time and telling the useful idiots that there will be 'jam tomorrow' is the only way you can keep the ball rolling. Unfortunately the votes cast for the three main parties are numbered in the millions and they are cast by people who understand and accept reality however unpleasant it is. Your beloved Tusc is a fringe party at best and is grouped with the BNP, Ukip, Monster Raving Loony Party etc which will always attract votes cast for fun or by the disaffected. The total number of these votes will never cause a change of the system however much you want it to but do carry on backing the donkey in the Gold Cup just to amuse the rest of the population.
We are not that finge of a party as you think parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC.

Just look what as happened in Greece the True Socialist party have gone less than 3% of the vote to having a say in Government in the last 2 Elections there and are expected to win the next election and why the normally 2 main partys will not vote for a general election in a no-confidence bill in the Government.
Rome was not built in a day, so you keep saying what your more than likely will end up eating your own words, all it will take is show the people what difference there really is in the Tory's, Labour, BNP, Lib/dems, UKIP and that is very little. its only the TUSC that will offer a ral difference.
.. 'parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC'
Oh yea?
Chapter and verse please.
Tell us more.
Who, where, when?
I gave you some on the after the local election, but you stayed dead quiet about it.
Community Action Party won I believe 8 seats in the UK, the SP lost 1 seat but gain 2 in the process, Independant Labour won seats also there is just 3 groups that are part of the TUSC there are more.
Oh no you didn’t. Provide the URL or withdraw that initial comment.
Community Action Party won no seats in 2011 or 2012 in their previous stronghold of Wigan. In fact, several years ago the party suffered a split, defections, and a loss of councillors. I have read their manifesto and it is not Trotskyist. They make no mention of TUSC or your wacky policies, so even if they had won any local elections, which they didn’t, you can’t claim them for TUSC.
The Socialist Party (England and Wales) also drew a blank in 2012. Under the banner of Socialist Alternative in Coventry they now have no representation on the council as Dave Nellist lost his seat.
You talk utter rubbish southy when it comes to local election results.
Again, give us details of councils, wards, party labels and individuals. Doubt if you will as any false info you continue to put out will be thoroughly checked by me and the truth posted on this website.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.[/p][/quote]Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it?[/p][/quote]No it do not, Labour will do what the Tory would do and that is to sit it out. The fun will start when there will be a revolt agianst the Labour Party and Labour voters switching to the TUSC and theres an even lower turn out in voters.[/p][/quote]The big push will always come the next time and telling the useful idiots that there will be 'jam tomorrow' is the only way you can keep the ball rolling. Unfortunately the votes cast for the three main parties are numbered in the millions and they are cast by people who understand and accept reality however unpleasant it is. Your beloved Tusc is a fringe party at best and is grouped with the BNP, Ukip, Monster Raving Loony Party etc which will always attract votes cast for fun or by the disaffected. The total number of these votes will never cause a change of the system however much you want it to but do carry on backing the donkey in the Gold Cup just to amuse the rest of the population.[/p][/quote]We are not that finge of a party as you think parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC. Just look what as happened in Greece the True Socialist party have gone less than 3% of the vote to having a say in Government in the last 2 Elections there and are expected to win the next election and why the normally 2 main partys will not vote for a general election in a no-confidence bill in the Government. Rome was not built in a day, so you keep saying what your more than likely will end up eating your own words, all it will take is show the people what difference there really is in the Tory's, Labour, BNP, Lib/dems, UKIP and that is very little. its only the TUSC that will offer a ral difference.[/p][/quote].. 'parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC' Oh yea? Chapter and verse please. Tell us more. Who, where, when?[/p][/quote]I gave you some on the after the local election, but you stayed dead quiet about it. Community Action Party won I believe 8 seats in the UK, the SP lost 1 seat but gain 2 in the process, Independant Labour won seats also there is just 3 groups that are part of the TUSC there are more.[/p][/quote]Oh no you didn’t. Provide the URL or withdraw that initial comment. Community Action Party won no seats in 2011 or 2012 in their previous stronghold of Wigan. In fact, several years ago the party suffered a split, defections, and a loss of councillors. I have read their manifesto and it is not Trotskyist. They make no mention of TUSC or your wacky policies, so even if they had won any local elections, which they didn’t, you can’t claim them for TUSC. The Socialist Party (England and Wales) also drew a blank in 2012. Under the banner of Socialist Alternative in Coventry they now have no representation on the council as Dave Nellist lost his seat. You talk utter rubbish southy when it comes to local election results. Again, give us details of councils, wards, party labels and individuals. Doubt if you will as any false info you continue to put out will be thoroughly checked by me and the truth posted on this website. freefinker
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5:47pm Sun 27 May 12

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.
Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it?
No it do not, Labour will do what the Tory would do and that is to sit it out.
The fun will start when there will be a revolt agianst the Labour Party and Labour voters switching to the TUSC and theres an even lower turn out in voters.
The big push will always come the next time and telling the useful idiots that there will be 'jam tomorrow' is the only way you can keep the ball rolling. Unfortunately the votes cast for the three main parties are numbered in the millions and they are cast by people who understand and accept reality however unpleasant it is. Your beloved Tusc is a fringe party at best and is grouped with the BNP, Ukip, Monster Raving Loony Party etc which will always attract votes cast for fun or by the disaffected. The total number of these votes will never cause a change of the system however much you want it to but do carry on backing the donkey in the Gold Cup just to amuse the rest of the population.
We are not that finge of a party as you think parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC.

Just look what as happened in Greece the True Socialist party have gone less than 3% of the vote to having a say in Government in the last 2 Elections there and are expected to win the next election and why the normally 2 main partys will not vote for a general election in a no-confidence bill in the Government.
Rome was not built in a day, so you keep saying what your more than likely will end up eating your own words, all it will take is show the people what difference there really is in the Tory's, Labour, BNP, Lib/dems, UKIP and that is very little. its only the TUSC that will offer a ral difference.
.. 'parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC'
Oh yea?
Chapter and verse please.
Tell us more.
Who, where, when?
I gave you some on the after the local election, but you stayed dead quiet about it.
Community Action Party won I believe 8 seats in the UK, the SP lost 1 seat but gain 2 in the process, Independant Labour won seats also there is just 3 groups that are part of the TUSC there are more.
Oh no you didn’t. Provide the URL or withdraw that initial comment.
Community Action Party won no seats in 2011 or 2012 in their previous stronghold of Wigan. In fact, several years ago the party suffered a split, defections, and a loss of councillors. I have read their manifesto and it is not Trotskyist. They make no mention of TUSC or your wacky policies, so even if they had won any local elections, which they didn’t, you can’t claim them for TUSC.
The Socialist Party (England and Wales) also drew a blank in 2012. Under the banner of Socialist Alternative in Coventry they now have no representation on the council as Dave Nellist lost his seat.
You talk utter rubbish southy when it comes to local election results.
Again, give us details of councils, wards, party labels and individuals. Doubt if you will as any false info you continue to put out will be thoroughly checked by me and the truth posted on this website.
CAP won 8 seats. Dave lost I know but 2 others won,the SA are not just in one council they are in a few council, just that Dave is on the steering committee and was the major fighting seat, and Labour threw every thing they had at Dave even at the cost of losing seats to the torys, its you who taking rubbish just do not do your reseach right.
And I did tell you about seats that was gain another one was in Glos.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.[/p][/quote]Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it?[/p][/quote]No it do not, Labour will do what the Tory would do and that is to sit it out. The fun will start when there will be a revolt agianst the Labour Party and Labour voters switching to the TUSC and theres an even lower turn out in voters.[/p][/quote]The big push will always come the next time and telling the useful idiots that there will be 'jam tomorrow' is the only way you can keep the ball rolling. Unfortunately the votes cast for the three main parties are numbered in the millions and they are cast by people who understand and accept reality however unpleasant it is. Your beloved Tusc is a fringe party at best and is grouped with the BNP, Ukip, Monster Raving Loony Party etc which will always attract votes cast for fun or by the disaffected. The total number of these votes will never cause a change of the system however much you want it to but do carry on backing the donkey in the Gold Cup just to amuse the rest of the population.[/p][/quote]We are not that finge of a party as you think parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC. Just look what as happened in Greece the True Socialist party have gone less than 3% of the vote to having a say in Government in the last 2 Elections there and are expected to win the next election and why the normally 2 main partys will not vote for a general election in a no-confidence bill in the Government. Rome was not built in a day, so you keep saying what your more than likely will end up eating your own words, all it will take is show the people what difference there really is in the Tory's, Labour, BNP, Lib/dems, UKIP and that is very little. its only the TUSC that will offer a ral difference.[/p][/quote].. 'parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC' Oh yea? Chapter and verse please. Tell us more. Who, where, when?[/p][/quote]I gave you some on the after the local election, but you stayed dead quiet about it. Community Action Party won I believe 8 seats in the UK, the SP lost 1 seat but gain 2 in the process, Independant Labour won seats also there is just 3 groups that are part of the TUSC there are more.[/p][/quote]Oh no you didn’t. Provide the URL or withdraw that initial comment. Community Action Party won no seats in 2011 or 2012 in their previous stronghold of Wigan. In fact, several years ago the party suffered a split, defections, and a loss of councillors. I have read their manifesto and it is not Trotskyist. They make no mention of TUSC or your wacky policies, so even if they had won any local elections, which they didn’t, you can’t claim them for TUSC. The Socialist Party (England and Wales) also drew a blank in 2012. Under the banner of Socialist Alternative in Coventry they now have no representation on the council as Dave Nellist lost his seat. You talk utter rubbish southy when it comes to local election results. Again, give us details of councils, wards, party labels and individuals. Doubt if you will as any false info you continue to put out will be thoroughly checked by me and the truth posted on this website.[/p][/quote]CAP won 8 seats. Dave lost I know but 2 others won,the SA are not just in one council they are in a few council, just that Dave is on the steering committee and was the major fighting seat, and Labour threw every thing they had at Dave even at the cost of losing seats to the torys, its you who taking rubbish just do not do your reseach right. And I did tell you about seats that was gain another one was in Glos. southy
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6:13pm Sun 27 May 12

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.
Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it?
No it do not, Labour will do what the Tory would do and that is to sit it out.
The fun will start when there will be a revolt agianst the Labour Party and Labour voters switching to the TUSC and theres an even lower turn out in voters.
The big push will always come the next time and telling the useful idiots that there will be 'jam tomorrow' is the only way you can keep the ball rolling. Unfortunately the votes cast for the three main parties are numbered in the millions and they are cast by people who understand and accept reality however unpleasant it is. Your beloved Tusc is a fringe party at best and is grouped with the BNP, Ukip, Monster Raving Loony Party etc which will always attract votes cast for fun or by the disaffected. The total number of these votes will never cause a change of the system however much you want it to but do carry on backing the donkey in the Gold Cup just to amuse the rest of the population.
We are not that finge of a party as you think parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC.

Just look what as happened in Greece the True Socialist party have gone less than 3% of the vote to having a say in Government in the last 2 Elections there and are expected to win the next election and why the normally 2 main partys will not vote for a general election in a no-confidence bill in the Government.
Rome was not built in a day, so you keep saying what your more than likely will end up eating your own words, all it will take is show the people what difference there really is in the Tory's, Labour, BNP, Lib/dems, UKIP and that is very little. its only the TUSC that will offer a ral difference.
.. 'parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC'
Oh yea?
Chapter and verse please.
Tell us more.
Who, where, when?
I gave you some on the after the local election, but you stayed dead quiet about it.
Community Action Party won I believe 8 seats in the UK, the SP lost 1 seat but gain 2 in the process, Independant Labour won seats also there is just 3 groups that are part of the TUSC there are more.
Oh no you didn’t. Provide the URL or withdraw that initial comment.
Community Action Party won no seats in 2011 or 2012 in their previous stronghold of Wigan. In fact, several years ago the party suffered a split, defections, and a loss of councillors. I have read their manifesto and it is not Trotskyist. They make no mention of TUSC or your wacky policies, so even if they had won any local elections, which they didn’t, you can’t claim them for TUSC.
The Socialist Party (England and Wales) also drew a blank in 2012. Under the banner of Socialist Alternative in Coventry they now have no representation on the council as Dave Nellist lost his seat.
You talk utter rubbish southy when it comes to local election results.
Again, give us details of councils, wards, party labels and individuals. Doubt if you will as any false info you continue to put out will be thoroughly checked by me and the truth posted on this website.
CAP won 8 seats. Dave lost I know but 2 others won,the SA are not just in one council they are in a few council, just that Dave is on the steering committee and was the major fighting seat, and Labour threw every thing they had at Dave even at the cost of losing seats to the torys, its you who taking rubbish just do not do your reseach right.
And I did tell you about seats that was gain another one was in Glos.
Detais please.

NAME the councils for both CAP and SA wins in the 2012 local elections.

Go on, details, details, details - bet you can't provide.

And, no you didn't 'tell you about seats that was gain another one was in Glos' - and that's why you have failed to provide the URL
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.[/p][/quote]Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it?[/p][/quote]No it do not, Labour will do what the Tory would do and that is to sit it out. The fun will start when there will be a revolt agianst the Labour Party and Labour voters switching to the TUSC and theres an even lower turn out in voters.[/p][/quote]The big push will always come the next time and telling the useful idiots that there will be 'jam tomorrow' is the only way you can keep the ball rolling. Unfortunately the votes cast for the three main parties are numbered in the millions and they are cast by people who understand and accept reality however unpleasant it is. Your beloved Tusc is a fringe party at best and is grouped with the BNP, Ukip, Monster Raving Loony Party etc which will always attract votes cast for fun or by the disaffected. The total number of these votes will never cause a change of the system however much you want it to but do carry on backing the donkey in the Gold Cup just to amuse the rest of the population.[/p][/quote]We are not that finge of a party as you think parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC. Just look what as happened in Greece the True Socialist party have gone less than 3% of the vote to having a say in Government in the last 2 Elections there and are expected to win the next election and why the normally 2 main partys will not vote for a general election in a no-confidence bill in the Government. Rome was not built in a day, so you keep saying what your more than likely will end up eating your own words, all it will take is show the people what difference there really is in the Tory's, Labour, BNP, Lib/dems, UKIP and that is very little. its only the TUSC that will offer a ral difference.[/p][/quote].. 'parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC' Oh yea? Chapter and verse please. Tell us more. Who, where, when?[/p][/quote]I gave you some on the after the local election, but you stayed dead quiet about it. Community Action Party won I believe 8 seats in the UK, the SP lost 1 seat but gain 2 in the process, Independant Labour won seats also there is just 3 groups that are part of the TUSC there are more.[/p][/quote]Oh no you didn’t. Provide the URL or withdraw that initial comment. Community Action Party won no seats in 2011 or 2012 in their previous stronghold of Wigan. In fact, several years ago the party suffered a split, defections, and a loss of councillors. I have read their manifesto and it is not Trotskyist. They make no mention of TUSC or your wacky policies, so even if they had won any local elections, which they didn’t, you can’t claim them for TUSC. The Socialist Party (England and Wales) also drew a blank in 2012. Under the banner of Socialist Alternative in Coventry they now have no representation on the council as Dave Nellist lost his seat. You talk utter rubbish southy when it comes to local election results. Again, give us details of councils, wards, party labels and individuals. Doubt if you will as any false info you continue to put out will be thoroughly checked by me and the truth posted on this website.[/p][/quote]CAP won 8 seats. Dave lost I know but 2 others won,the SA are not just in one council they are in a few council, just that Dave is on the steering committee and was the major fighting seat, and Labour threw every thing they had at Dave even at the cost of losing seats to the torys, its you who taking rubbish just do not do your reseach right. And I did tell you about seats that was gain another one was in Glos.[/p][/quote]Detais please. NAME the councils for both CAP and SA wins in the 2012 local elections. Go on, details, details, details - bet you can't provide. And, no you didn't 'tell you about seats that was gain another one was in Glos' - and that's why you have failed to provide the URL freefinker
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6:41pm Sun 27 May 12

TEBOURBA says...

Mountains and mole hills, storms and teacups spring to mind ---"calm down dear!"
Mountains and mole hills, storms and teacups spring to mind ---"calm down dear!" TEBOURBA
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8:10pm Sun 27 May 12

SotonGreen says...

Cllr Rayment needs to seriously consider her cabinet position in my opinion. This crisis shows if anything the serious and time consuming nature of leadership of southampton city council. We face truely horrific cuts and need full-time dedicated council leaders fighting our corner. Cllr Rayment is now short listed in the race to become Labour's candidate (Alan Hagger is the other) for the elected police comissioner role. How can she possibly campaign across hampshire for that role, be chair of HPA and cabinet member for communities, she should decide where her focus lies either in leading southampton or the police authority, we cannot afford part timers here !
Cllr Rayment needs to seriously consider her cabinet position in my opinion. This crisis shows if anything the serious and time consuming nature of leadership of southampton city council. We face truely horrific cuts and need full-time dedicated council leaders fighting our corner. Cllr Rayment is now short listed in the race to become Labour's candidate (Alan Hagger is the other) for the elected police comissioner role. How can she possibly campaign across hampshire for that role, be chair of HPA and cabinet member for communities, she should decide where her focus lies either in leading southampton or the police authority, we cannot afford part timers here ! SotonGreen
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9:16pm Sun 27 May 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

SotonGreen wrote:
Cllr Rayment needs to seriously consider her cabinet position in my opinion. This crisis shows if anything the serious and time consuming nature of leadership of southampton city council. We face truely horrific cuts and need full-time dedicated council leaders fighting our corner. Cllr Rayment is now short listed in the race to become Labour's candidate (Alan Hagger is the other) for the elected police comissioner role. How can she possibly campaign across hampshire for that role, be chair of HPA and cabinet member for communities, she should decide where her focus lies either in leading southampton or the police authority, we cannot afford part timers here !
Although bit of distraction from subject in hand, you have made a valid point regarding Cllr. Jacqui Rayment
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There were and will always be some people in all political parties who are there only for their ego and lately for minting money as well
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Sadly quantity of such people in public life has increased, and while transforming from old Labour to New Labour under Blair and Brown such people in this party has become majority
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But what are socialists (real ones) and Greens (intelligent ones) going to do about it?
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Most of us spend more time undermining each other than taking on the real culprits in all three main parties, all of which are on right of even Thatcher?
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I have been requesting all of you to unite under one umbrella, but although everybody bar SWP and few Stalinists keep on agreeing with me, in reality we are still divided and busy undermining each other. Put together in Southampton early this month we could have become the third party, and true left of centre force
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Even now when NuLabourites have been exposed as clones of North Korea’s ‘Dear Leader’ by obstructing the work of free press, rather than serving the society by demanding the immediate removal of self confessed ‘LIAR’ Cllr. Keith Morrell and demanding the resignation of Cllr. Richard Williams for judgement far worse than even Cameron, you have decided to side track the issue by bringing in Cllr. Rayment’s campaign. Without considering that she could easily argue why Caroline Lucas has positions all over the place (I have only quoted this for argument sake, because in reality I have great respect for C Lucas)
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This should prove my point that we on the left are like Munich playing with Chelsea, who may posses the ball but can’t score even in the open goal. Talking to some Tory friends I think some of them do know how to use their position when out of power. So do not moan when even Tories may succeed in sorting out their team B otherwise known as NuLabour and we will still be busy arguing amongst each other.
[quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: Cllr Rayment needs to seriously consider her cabinet position in my opinion. This crisis shows if anything the serious and time consuming nature of leadership of southampton city council. We face truely horrific cuts and need full-time dedicated council leaders fighting our corner. Cllr Rayment is now short listed in the race to become Labour's candidate (Alan Hagger is the other) for the elected police comissioner role. How can she possibly campaign across hampshire for that role, be chair of HPA and cabinet member for communities, she should decide where her focus lies either in leading southampton or the police authority, we cannot afford part timers here ![/p][/quote]Although bit of distraction from subject in hand, you have made a valid point regarding Cllr. Jacqui Rayment . There were and will always be some people in all political parties who are there only for their ego and lately for minting money as well . Sadly quantity of such people in public life has increased, and while transforming from old Labour to New Labour under Blair and Brown such people in this party has become majority . But what are socialists (real ones) and Greens (intelligent ones) going to do about it? . Most of us spend more time undermining each other than taking on the real culprits in all three main parties, all of which are on right of even Thatcher? . I have been requesting all of you to unite under one umbrella, but although everybody bar SWP and few Stalinists keep on agreeing with me, in reality we are still divided and busy undermining each other. Put together in Southampton early this month we could have become the third party, and true left of centre force . Even now when NuLabourites have been exposed as clones of North Korea’s ‘Dear Leader’ by obstructing the work of free press, rather than serving the society by demanding the immediate removal of self confessed ‘LIAR’ Cllr. Keith Morrell and demanding the resignation of Cllr. Richard Williams for judgement far worse than even Cameron, you have decided to side track the issue by bringing in Cllr. Rayment’s campaign. Without considering that she could easily argue why Caroline Lucas has positions all over the place (I have only quoted this for argument sake, because in reality I have great respect for C Lucas) . This should prove my point that we on the left are like Munich playing with Chelsea, who may posses the ball but can’t score even in the open goal. Talking to some Tory friends I think some of them do know how to use their position when out of power. So do not moan when even Tories may succeed in sorting out their team B otherwise known as NuLabour and we will still be busy arguing amongst each other. Paramjit Bahia
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9:21pm Sun 27 May 12

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 Actions of Far and Extreme Capitalist aka Right wing is to do away with workers rights, do away with Unions, have no workers control at the work place, to give power to Corporations.

Do any of that sound familiar to you it should if you know your history. Hitler was one and was his party they only used the word Socialist as false propaganda because of the times and condictions at the time, now let look at what Hitler did on gaining total control of Germany, built up a war machine, gave total control of industry to the Corporation and have a big say in Government, Went after Socialist and imprison them or had them murdered, the same happened to Unions leaders, Bomb the Socialist in Spain and in Finland to allow Facist to take control, Actions of a Socialist no I don't think so, you do not kill those that will support you.
Lenin set up things like the Co-op in the Work place workers control, even the Government was set up as a co-op, What was it Stalin done on gaining power, went after Union Leaders and Socialist members and again had them imprisoned or murdered most well know murder Stalin ordered was the death of Trotsky, remove the Socialist system in government and put back the Capitalist provincial system, done away the co-op in the working place and gave total control to the Corporations, again these are not the actions of a Socialist.
Socialism is about sharing the power and the wealth.
Capitalism is about a few having power and the wealth.
Start reading and learning the difference.
It's cruel to keep this thread going but you do seem to be a willing victim. The Russian and Chinese authorities accept that Stalin and Mao Tse Tung respectively were communist dictators responsible for the deaths of millions of their countrymen but you say they're wrong. The Khmer Rouge is officially listed as the communist party of Kampuchea with the despotic Pol Pot as leader and responsible for the murders of millions of his countrymen. All the books I can find say the same including the factual but neutral Encyclopedia Britannica. Wikipedia also agrees with them but this source can be changed by anyone with a computer so if all of the bright sparks have written the books wrongly, why don't you with your primary school education start righting this great wrong by changing the information in Wikipedia? Rambling on the Echo website is one thing but you can make a real difference by introducing the hidden truth about these murderous communist despots that only you seem to know.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Torchie1 Actions of Far and Extreme Capitalist aka Right wing is to do away with workers rights, do away with Unions, have no workers control at the work place, to give power to Corporations. Do any of that sound familiar to you it should if you know your history. Hitler was one and was his party they only used the word Socialist as false propaganda because of the times and condictions at the time, now let look at what Hitler did on gaining total control of Germany, built up a war machine, gave total control of industry to the Corporation and have a big say in Government, Went after Socialist and imprison them or had them murdered, the same happened to Unions leaders, Bomb the Socialist in Spain and in Finland to allow Facist to take control, Actions of a Socialist no I don't think so, you do not kill those that will support you. Lenin set up things like the Co-op in the Work place workers control, even the Government was set up as a co-op, What was it Stalin done on gaining power, went after Union Leaders and Socialist members and again had them imprisoned or murdered most well know murder Stalin ordered was the death of Trotsky, remove the Socialist system in government and put back the Capitalist provincial system, done away the co-op in the working place and gave total control to the Corporations, again these are not the actions of a Socialist. Socialism is about sharing the power and the wealth. Capitalism is about a few having power and the wealth. Start reading and learning the difference.[/p][/quote]It's cruel to keep this thread going but you do seem to be a willing victim. The Russian and Chinese authorities accept that Stalin and Mao Tse Tung respectively were communist dictators responsible for the deaths of millions of their countrymen but you say they're wrong. The Khmer Rouge is officially listed as the communist party of Kampuchea with the despotic Pol Pot as leader and responsible for the murders of millions of his countrymen. All the books I can find say the same including the factual but neutral Encyclopedia Britannica. Wikipedia also agrees with them but this source can be changed by anyone with a computer so if all of the bright sparks have written the books wrongly, why don't you with your primary school education start righting this great wrong by changing the information in Wikipedia? Rambling on the Echo website is one thing but you can make a real difference by introducing the hidden truth about these murderous communist despots that only you seem to know. Torchie1
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9:31pm Sun 27 May 12

SotonGreen says...

Your suggestion that we group together might have more credibility if you dint insinuate some of us are not intelligent ?
Your suggestion that we group together might have more credibility if you dint insinuate some of us are not intelligent ? SotonGreen
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9:39pm Sun 27 May 12

loosehead says...

Southy you've some how changed the subject of this article! it has nothing to do with how well or how many seats TUSC could/should have won in your eyes.
This is about a council leader who in opposition made statements then lied & blamed it on bad reporting who's cabinet colleague resigned from cabinet before local elactions.
Now he's leader of the party in power another cabinet member resigns & get's asked to lie to cover up the truth about cuts that will have to be made that he Mr. Williams lied about to get voted into power.
I've asked you twice now to say if you think Williams is a liar & all you do is go on about the TUSC?
if you want to win any credibility answer the question Is every promise Williams made nothing but a lie to get elected?
While were on it did Unite know exactly what he has planned? did they lie to their members as well?
Southy you've some how changed the subject of this article! it has nothing to do with how well or how many seats TUSC could/should have won in your eyes. This is about a council leader who in opposition made statements then lied & blamed it on bad reporting who's cabinet colleague resigned from cabinet before local elactions. Now he's leader of the party in power another cabinet member resigns & get's asked to lie to cover up the truth about cuts that will have to be made that he Mr. Williams lied about to get voted into power. I've asked you twice now to say if you think Williams is a liar & all you do is go on about the TUSC? if you want to win any credibility answer the question Is every promise Williams made nothing but a lie to get elected? While were on it did Unite know exactly what he has planned? did they lie to their members as well? loosehead
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9:54pm Sun 27 May 12

IronLady2010 says...

loosehead wrote:
Southy you've some how changed the subject of this article! it has nothing to do with how well or how many seats TUSC could/should have won in your eyes.
This is about a council leader who in opposition made statements then lied & blamed it on bad reporting who's cabinet colleague resigned from cabinet before local elactions.
Now he's leader of the party in power another cabinet member resigns & get's asked to lie to cover up the truth about cuts that will have to be made that he Mr. Williams lied about to get voted into power.
I've asked you twice now to say if you think Williams is a liar & all you do is go on about the TUSC?
if you want to win any credibility answer the question Is every promise Williams made nothing but a lie to get elected?
While were on it did Unite know exactly what he has planned? did they lie to their members as well?
Loosehead, Southy changes every article into TUSC, it could be about cats and he'll somehow turn it around.

Do you really take anything he says seriously? Not much point in anyone replying to be honest. It's all Cuckoo land garbage.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Southy you've some how changed the subject of this article! it has nothing to do with how well or how many seats TUSC could/should have won in your eyes. This is about a council leader who in opposition made statements then lied & blamed it on bad reporting who's cabinet colleague resigned from cabinet before local elactions. Now he's leader of the party in power another cabinet member resigns & get's asked to lie to cover up the truth about cuts that will have to be made that he Mr. Williams lied about to get voted into power. I've asked you twice now to say if you think Williams is a liar & all you do is go on about the TUSC? if you want to win any credibility answer the question Is every promise Williams made nothing but a lie to get elected? While were on it did Unite know exactly what he has planned? did they lie to their members as well?[/p][/quote]Loosehead, Southy changes every article into TUSC, it could be about cats and he'll somehow turn it around. Do you really take anything he says seriously? Not much point in anyone replying to be honest. It's all Cuckoo land garbage. IronLady2010
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9:59pm Sun 27 May 12

loosehead says...

SotonGreen wrote:
Your suggestion that we group together might have more credibility if you dint insinuate some of us are not intelligent ?
SotonGreen I've just had solar panels put on my roof.
my neighbour is council & he went to a residents meeting where three Labour councillors were in attendance.
He asked if he could & if not why not have Solar panels?
they replied if you had a problem with your roof like retiling you( the council) would have to pay for the removal & then the installation of the panels? This is a lie as the only thing removed is the panels not the frame or inverter & surely the council would check the state of the tiles before allowing installation wouldn't they?
Any damage caused by the Solar panels would be paid for by the company so why say that ?
Is Southampton Labour Party incapable of telling the truth?
[quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: Your suggestion that we group together might have more credibility if you dint insinuate some of us are not intelligent ?[/p][/quote]SotonGreen I've just had solar panels put on my roof. my neighbour is council & he went to a residents meeting where three Labour councillors were in attendance. He asked if he could & if not why not have Solar panels? they replied if you had a problem with your roof like retiling you( the council) would have to pay for the removal & then the installation of the panels? This is a lie as the only thing removed is the panels not the frame or inverter & surely the council would check the state of the tiles before allowing installation wouldn't they? Any damage caused by the Solar panels would be paid for by the company so why say that ? Is Southampton Labour Party incapable of telling the truth? loosehead
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10:01pm Sun 27 May 12

loosehead says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Southy you've some how changed the subject of this article! it has nothing to do with how well or how many seats TUSC could/should have won in your eyes.
This is about a council leader who in opposition made statements then lied & blamed it on bad reporting who's cabinet colleague resigned from cabinet before local elactions.
Now he's leader of the party in power another cabinet member resigns & get's asked to lie to cover up the truth about cuts that will have to be made that he Mr. Williams lied about to get voted into power.
I've asked you twice now to say if you think Williams is a liar & all you do is go on about the TUSC?
if you want to win any credibility answer the question Is every promise Williams made nothing but a lie to get elected?
While were on it did Unite know exactly what he has planned? did they lie to their members as well?
Loosehead, Southy changes every article into TUSC, it could be about cats and he'll somehow turn it around.

Do you really take anything he says seriously? Not much point in anyone replying to be honest. It's all Cuckoo land garbage.
Ironlady I just wanted him & people like him to come out & say everything Williams has promised was nothing but a total lie.
He seems to be the only one posting the rest seem to have found a hole & curled up inside?
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Southy you've some how changed the subject of this article! it has nothing to do with how well or how many seats TUSC could/should have won in your eyes. This is about a council leader who in opposition made statements then lied & blamed it on bad reporting who's cabinet colleague resigned from cabinet before local elactions. Now he's leader of the party in power another cabinet member resigns & get's asked to lie to cover up the truth about cuts that will have to be made that he Mr. Williams lied about to get voted into power. I've asked you twice now to say if you think Williams is a liar & all you do is go on about the TUSC? if you want to win any credibility answer the question Is every promise Williams made nothing but a lie to get elected? While were on it did Unite know exactly what he has planned? did they lie to their members as well?[/p][/quote]Loosehead, Southy changes every article into TUSC, it could be about cats and he'll somehow turn it around. Do you really take anything he says seriously? Not much point in anyone replying to be honest. It's all Cuckoo land garbage.[/p][/quote]Ironlady I just wanted him & people like him to come out & say everything Williams has promised was nothing but a total lie. He seems to be the only one posting the rest seem to have found a hole & curled up inside? loosehead
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11:37pm Sun 27 May 12

VConcerned says...

If Labour lie just about someone leaving to make it look ok, then every promise they make is worthless and untrustworthy.

We need people in power who will make the right decisions on what is best for Southampton.
If Labour lie just about someone leaving to make it look ok, then every promise they make is worthless and untrustworthy. We need people in power who will make the right decisions on what is best for Southampton. VConcerned
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12:08am Mon 28 May 12

IronLady2010 says...

VConcerned wrote:
If Labour lie just about someone leaving to make it look ok, then every promise they make is worthless and untrustworthy.

We need people in power who will make the right decisions on what is best for Southampton.
One big difference between the two main parties is that; One is honest and will go head to head to tackle issues, the other just peddles around making promises they know they cannot keep. Make your own mind up which is which.

This man looks like an older version of Huhne, trust him?
[quote][p][bold]VConcerned[/bold] wrote: If Labour lie just about someone leaving to make it look ok, then every promise they make is worthless and untrustworthy. We need people in power who will make the right decisions on what is best for Southampton.[/p][/quote]One big difference between the two main parties is that; One is honest and will go head to head to tackle issues, the other just peddles around making promises they know they cannot keep. Make your own mind up which is which. This man looks like an older version of Huhne, trust him? IronLady2010
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5:44am Mon 28 May 12

stay local says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.
Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it?
No it do not, Labour will do what the Tory would do and that is to sit it out.
The fun will start when there will be a revolt agianst the Labour Party and Labour voters switching to the TUSC and theres an even lower turn out in voters.
The big push will always come the next time and telling the useful idiots that there will be 'jam tomorrow' is the only way you can keep the ball rolling. Unfortunately the votes cast for the three main parties are numbered in the millions and they are cast by people who understand and accept reality however unpleasant it is. Your beloved Tusc is a fringe party at best and is grouped with the BNP, Ukip, Monster Raving Loony Party etc which will always attract votes cast for fun or by the disaffected. The total number of these votes will never cause a change of the system however much you want it to but do carry on backing the donkey in the Gold Cup just to amuse the rest of the population.
We are not that finge of a party as you think parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC.

Just look what as happened in Greece the True Socialist party have gone less than 3% of the vote to having a say in Government in the last 2 Elections there and are expected to win the next election and why the normally 2 main partys will not vote for a general election in a no-confidence bill in the Government.
Rome was not built in a day, so you keep saying what your more than likely will end up eating your own words, all it will take is show the people what difference there really is in the Tory's, Labour, BNP, Lib/dems, UKIP and that is very little. its only the TUSC that will offer a ral difference.
.. 'parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC'
Oh yea?
Chapter and verse please.
Tell us more.
Who, where, when?
I gave you some on the after the local election, but you stayed dead quiet about it.
Community Action Party won I believe 8 seats in the UK, the SP lost 1 seat but gain 2 in the process, Independant Labour won seats also there is just 3 groups that are part of the TUSC there are more.
So Southy you keep referring to the TUSC but already they are known as having a least two titles:- Trade union socialist coalition (funny that coming from someone who lambastes coalitions) and the Trades unionists and Socialists against cuts. Is this to confuse the electorate? Now you tell us that the TUSC or TUSAC did not win any seats, but really did win seats when they were called the community action party and the socialist alternative (are they alternative to the TUSC?){as usual without any reference or evidence.
you cannot simply claim as you have in the past that every vote not cast for one party is a vote in favour of your minority group. If you could manage to be honest (something you demand from others) you would recognise the TUSC is a bunch of no hope misfits, who cherry pick agenda items that they think people will agree with to try and get votes, but sadly most of the population even the proletariat can see through your rubbish despite their year of abuse from the bosses.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.[/p][/quote]Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it?[/p][/quote]No it do not, Labour will do what the Tory would do and that is to sit it out. The fun will start when there will be a revolt agianst the Labour Party and Labour voters switching to the TUSC and theres an even lower turn out in voters.[/p][/quote]The big push will always come the next time and telling the useful idiots that there will be 'jam tomorrow' is the only way you can keep the ball rolling. Unfortunately the votes cast for the three main parties are numbered in the millions and they are cast by people who understand and accept reality however unpleasant it is. Your beloved Tusc is a fringe party at best and is grouped with the BNP, Ukip, Monster Raving Loony Party etc which will always attract votes cast for fun or by the disaffected. The total number of these votes will never cause a change of the system however much you want it to but do carry on backing the donkey in the Gold Cup just to amuse the rest of the population.[/p][/quote]We are not that finge of a party as you think parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC. Just look what as happened in Greece the True Socialist party have gone less than 3% of the vote to having a say in Government in the last 2 Elections there and are expected to win the next election and why the normally 2 main partys will not vote for a general election in a no-confidence bill in the Government. Rome was not built in a day, so you keep saying what your more than likely will end up eating your own words, all it will take is show the people what difference there really is in the Tory's, Labour, BNP, Lib/dems, UKIP and that is very little. its only the TUSC that will offer a ral difference.[/p][/quote].. 'parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC' Oh yea? Chapter and verse please. Tell us more. Who, where, when?[/p][/quote]I gave you some on the after the local election, but you stayed dead quiet about it. Community Action Party won I believe 8 seats in the UK, the SP lost 1 seat but gain 2 in the process, Independant Labour won seats also there is just 3 groups that are part of the TUSC there are more.[/p][/quote]So Southy you keep referring to the TUSC but already they are known as having a least two titles:- Trade union socialist coalition (funny that coming from someone who lambastes coalitions) and the Trades unionists and Socialists against cuts. Is this to confuse the electorate? Now you tell us that the TUSC or TUSAC did not win any seats, but really did win seats when they were called the community action party and the socialist alternative (are they alternative to the TUSC?){as usual without any reference or evidence. you cannot simply claim as you have in the past that every vote not cast for one party is a vote in favour of your minority group. If you could manage to be honest (something you demand from others) you would recognise the TUSC is a bunch of no hope misfits, who cherry pick agenda items that they think people will agree with to try and get votes, but sadly most of the population even the proletariat can see through your rubbish despite their year of abuse from the bosses. stay local
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10:27am Mon 28 May 12

southy says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Southy you've some how changed the subject of this article! it has nothing to do with how well or how many seats TUSC could/should have won in your eyes.
This is about a council leader who in opposition made statements then lied & blamed it on bad reporting who's cabinet colleague resigned from cabinet before local elactions.
Now he's leader of the party in power another cabinet member resigns & get's asked to lie to cover up the truth about cuts that will have to be made that he Mr. Williams lied about to get voted into power.
I've asked you twice now to say if you think Williams is a liar & all you do is go on about the TUSC?
if you want to win any credibility answer the question Is every promise Williams made nothing but a lie to get elected?
While were on it did Unite know exactly what he has planned? did they lie to their members as well?
Loosehead, Southy changes every article into TUSC, it could be about cats and he'll somehow turn it around.

Do you really take anything he says seriously? Not much point in anyone replying to be honest. It's all Cuckoo land garbage.
I keep the political stuff on the political articals, its not my fault that your unable to tell what is and what is not political. and its not me that wants to keep pushing false propahanda.
And when your on a political artical you got to expect things like the TUSC, UKIP, Greens and other political partys names to come up. and its just your kind that whats thing there way and no other way.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Southy you've some how changed the subject of this article! it has nothing to do with how well or how many seats TUSC could/should have won in your eyes. This is about a council leader who in opposition made statements then lied & blamed it on bad reporting who's cabinet colleague resigned from cabinet before local elactions. Now he's leader of the party in power another cabinet member resigns & get's asked to lie to cover up the truth about cuts that will have to be made that he Mr. Williams lied about to get voted into power. I've asked you twice now to say if you think Williams is a liar & all you do is go on about the TUSC? if you want to win any credibility answer the question Is every promise Williams made nothing but a lie to get elected? While were on it did Unite know exactly what he has planned? did they lie to their members as well?[/p][/quote]Loosehead, Southy changes every article into TUSC, it could be about cats and he'll somehow turn it around. Do you really take anything he says seriously? Not much point in anyone replying to be honest. It's all Cuckoo land garbage.[/p][/quote]I keep the political stuff on the political articals, its not my fault that your unable to tell what is and what is not political. and its not me that wants to keep pushing false propahanda. And when your on a political artical you got to expect things like the TUSC, UKIP, Greens and other political partys names to come up. and its just your kind that whats thing there way and no other way. southy
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10:42am Mon 28 May 12

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Southy you've some how changed the subject of this article! it has nothing to do with how well or how many seats TUSC could/should have won in your eyes.
This is about a council leader who in opposition made statements then lied & blamed it on bad reporting who's cabinet colleague resigned from cabinet before local elactions.
Now he's leader of the party in power another cabinet member resigns & get's asked to lie to cover up the truth about cuts that will have to be made that he Mr. Williams lied about to get voted into power.
I've asked you twice now to say if you think Williams is a liar & all you do is go on about the TUSC?
if you want to win any credibility answer the question Is every promise Williams made nothing but a lie to get elected?
While were on it did Unite know exactly what he has planned? did they lie to their members as well?
Loosehead, Southy changes every article into TUSC, it could be about cats and he'll somehow turn it around.

Do you really take anything he says seriously? Not much point in anyone replying to be honest. It's all Cuckoo land garbage.
Ironlady I just wanted him & people like him to come out & say everything Williams has promised was nothing but a total lie.
He seems to be the only one posting the rest seem to have found a hole & curled up inside?
Loosehead now come on you know I not any thing to do with the Blue Labour Party they are just another Capitalist party and no longer have any connection with the working class apart from wanting there support and money.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Southy you've some how changed the subject of this article! it has nothing to do with how well or how many seats TUSC could/should have won in your eyes. This is about a council leader who in opposition made statements then lied & blamed it on bad reporting who's cabinet colleague resigned from cabinet before local elactions. Now he's leader of the party in power another cabinet member resigns & get's asked to lie to cover up the truth about cuts that will have to be made that he Mr. Williams lied about to get voted into power. I've asked you twice now to say if you think Williams is a liar & all you do is go on about the TUSC? if you want to win any credibility answer the question Is every promise Williams made nothing but a lie to get elected? While were on it did Unite know exactly what he has planned? did they lie to their members as well?[/p][/quote]Loosehead, Southy changes every article into TUSC, it could be about cats and he'll somehow turn it around. Do you really take anything he says seriously? Not much point in anyone replying to be honest. It's all Cuckoo land garbage.[/p][/quote]Ironlady I just wanted him & people like him to come out & say everything Williams has promised was nothing but a total lie. He seems to be the only one posting the rest seem to have found a hole & curled up inside?[/p][/quote]Loosehead now come on you know I not any thing to do with the Blue Labour Party they are just another Capitalist party and no longer have any connection with the working class apart from wanting there support and money. southy
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10:47am Mon 28 May 12

freefinker says...

.. southy, I repeat: -

'NAME the councils for both CAP and SA wins in the 2012 local elections.

Go on, details, details, details - bet you can't provide.'
.. southy, I repeat: - 'NAME the councils for both CAP and SA wins in the 2012 local elections. Go on, details, details, details - bet you can't provide.' freefinker
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10:49am Mon 28 May 12

southy says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
VConcerned wrote:
If Labour lie just about someone leaving to make it look ok, then every promise they make is worthless and untrustworthy.

We need people in power who will make the right decisions on what is best for Southampton.
One big difference between the two main parties is that; One is honest and will go head to head to tackle issues, the other just peddles around making promises they know they cannot keep. Make your own mind up which is which.

This man looks like an older version of Huhne, trust him?
Still in cuckoo false propaganda
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VConcerned[/bold] wrote: If Labour lie just about someone leaving to make it look ok, then every promise they make is worthless and untrustworthy. We need people in power who will make the right decisions on what is best for Southampton.[/p][/quote]One big difference between the two main parties is that; One is honest and will go head to head to tackle issues, the other just peddles around making promises they know they cannot keep. Make your own mind up which is which. This man looks like an older version of Huhne, trust him?[/p][/quote]Still in cuckoo false propaganda southy
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11:25am Mon 28 May 12

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
.. southy, I repeat: -

'NAME the councils for both CAP and SA wins in the 2012 local elections.

Go on, details, details, details - bet you can't provide.'
I not going to repeat my self go and but a TUSC newspaper and get the info.
Under-stand this will you how did the Labour Party start is the same way the TUSC started its the same 2 groups that first formed the Labour Party that is forming the TUSC, there is a number of different groups that have joined the TUSC, Even the Socialist Green Party have started to drop the Green party and joining the TUSC after what happened in Brighton.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: .. southy, I repeat: - 'NAME the councils for both CAP and SA wins in the 2012 local elections. Go on, details, details, details - bet you can't provide.'[/p][/quote]I not going to repeat my self go and but a TUSC newspaper and get the info. Under-stand this will you how did the Labour Party start is the same way the TUSC started its the same 2 groups that first formed the Labour Party that is forming the TUSC, there is a number of different groups that have joined the TUSC, Even the Socialist Green Party have started to drop the Green party and joining the TUSC after what happened in Brighton. southy
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11:32am Mon 28 May 12

southy says...

also Freefinker how many Inpendant Labour Councillors and MP's are there, they have pledge to support the TUSC.
There are a lot more than you think there is
also Freefinker how many Inpendant Labour Councillors and MP's are there, they have pledge to support the TUSC. There are a lot more than you think there is southy
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11:44am Mon 28 May 12

southy says...

stay local wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.
Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it?
No it do not, Labour will do what the Tory would do and that is to sit it out.
The fun will start when there will be a revolt agianst the Labour Party and Labour voters switching to the TUSC and theres an even lower turn out in voters.
The big push will always come the next time and telling the useful idiots that there will be 'jam tomorrow' is the only way you can keep the ball rolling. Unfortunately the votes cast for the three main parties are numbered in the millions and they are cast by people who understand and accept reality however unpleasant it is. Your beloved Tusc is a fringe party at best and is grouped with the BNP, Ukip, Monster Raving Loony Party etc which will always attract votes cast for fun or by the disaffected. The total number of these votes will never cause a change of the system however much you want it to but do carry on backing the donkey in the Gold Cup just to amuse the rest of the population.
We are not that finge of a party as you think parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC.

Just look what as happened in Greece the True Socialist party have gone less than 3% of the vote to having a say in Government in the last 2 Elections there and are expected to win the next election and why the normally 2 main partys will not vote for a general election in a no-confidence bill in the Government.
Rome was not built in a day, so you keep saying what your more than likely will end up eating your own words, all it will take is show the people what difference there really is in the Tory's, Labour, BNP, Lib/dems, UKIP and that is very little. its only the TUSC that will offer a ral difference.
.. 'parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC'
Oh yea?
Chapter and verse please.
Tell us more.
Who, where, when?
I gave you some on the after the local election, but you stayed dead quiet about it.
Community Action Party won I believe 8 seats in the UK, the SP lost 1 seat but gain 2 in the process, Independant Labour won seats also there is just 3 groups that are part of the TUSC there are more.
So Southy you keep referring to the TUSC but already they are known as having a least two titles:- Trade union socialist coalition (funny that coming from someone who lambastes coalitions) and the Trades unionists and Socialists against cuts. Is this to confuse the electorate? Now you tell us that the TUSC or TUSAC did not win any seats, but really did win seats when they were called the community action party and the socialist alternative (are they alternative to the TUSC?){as usual without any reference or evidence.
you cannot simply claim as you have in the past that every vote not cast for one party is a vote in favour of your minority group. If you could manage to be honest (something you demand from others) you would recognise the TUSC is a bunch of no hope misfits, who cherry pick agenda items that they think people will agree with to try and get votes, but sadly most of the population even the proletariat can see through your rubbish despite their year of abuse from the bosses.
Only one title and thats the Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition TUSC.
Now do you know how the Labour Party was formed, Well the TUSC is forming the same way, it did not come Labour over night, it started because two types of left wing groups got together to form one party then bought in other minor groups to back each other, that means not standing in each other seats and they slowly came under one banner, it took 53 years before you saw a councilor under the name of the Labour party, but it all ready had Councilors and MP's before the unfication of all the groups under one banner of the Labour Party.
And all you are is scared that the TUSC will gain power because they will show people whats going on in politics and that is we are being Americanise in Economics and Political Policy, One Policy but multi Political Partys with the same agenda.
[quote][p][bold]stay local[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.[/p][/quote]Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it?[/p][/quote]No it do not, Labour will do what the Tory would do and that is to sit it out. The fun will start when there will be a revolt agianst the Labour Party and Labour voters switching to the TUSC and theres an even lower turn out in voters.[/p][/quote]The big push will always come the next time and telling the useful idiots that there will be 'jam tomorrow' is the only way you can keep the ball rolling. Unfortunately the votes cast for the three main parties are numbered in the millions and they are cast by people who understand and accept reality however unpleasant it is. Your beloved Tusc is a fringe party at best and is grouped with the BNP, Ukip, Monster Raving Loony Party etc which will always attract votes cast for fun or by the disaffected. The total number of these votes will never cause a change of the system however much you want it to but do carry on backing the donkey in the Gold Cup just to amuse the rest of the population.[/p][/quote]We are not that finge of a party as you think parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC. Just look what as happened in Greece the True Socialist party have gone less than 3% of the vote to having a say in Government in the last 2 Elections there and are expected to win the next election and why the normally 2 main partys will not vote for a general election in a no-confidence bill in the Government. Rome was not built in a day, so you keep saying what your more than likely will end up eating your own words, all it will take is show the people what difference there really is in the Tory's, Labour, BNP, Lib/dems, UKIP and that is very little. its only the TUSC that will offer a ral difference.[/p][/quote].. 'parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC' Oh yea? Chapter and verse please. Tell us more. Who, where, when?[/p][/quote]I gave you some on the after the local election, but you stayed dead quiet about it. Community Action Party won I believe 8 seats in the UK, the SP lost 1 seat but gain 2 in the process, Independant Labour won seats also there is just 3 groups that are part of the TUSC there are more.[/p][/quote]So Southy you keep referring to the TUSC but already they are known as having a least two titles:- Trade union socialist coalition (funny that coming from someone who lambastes coalitions) and the Trades unionists and Socialists against cuts. Is this to confuse the electorate? Now you tell us that the TUSC or TUSAC did not win any seats, but really did win seats when they were called the community action party and the socialist alternative (are they alternative to the TUSC?){as usual without any reference or evidence. you cannot simply claim as you have in the past that every vote not cast for one party is a vote in favour of your minority group. If you could manage to be honest (something you demand from others) you would recognise the TUSC is a bunch of no hope misfits, who cherry pick agenda items that they think people will agree with to try and get votes, but sadly most of the population even the proletariat can see through your rubbish despite their year of abuse from the bosses.[/p][/quote]Only one title and thats the Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition TUSC. Now do you know how the Labour Party was formed, Well the TUSC is forming the same way, it did not come Labour over night, it started because two types of left wing groups got together to form one party then bought in other minor groups to back each other, that means not standing in each other seats and they slowly came under one banner, it took 53 years before you saw a councilor under the name of the Labour party, but it all ready had Councilors and MP's before the unfication of all the groups under one banner of the Labour Party. And all you are is scared that the TUSC will gain power because they will show people whats going on in politics and that is we are being Americanise in Economics and Political Policy, One Policy but multi Political Partys with the same agenda. southy
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11:48am Mon 28 May 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
stay local wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.
Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it?
No it do not, Labour will do what the Tory would do and that is to sit it out.
The fun will start when there will be a revolt agianst the Labour Party and Labour voters switching to the TUSC and theres an even lower turn out in voters.
The big push will always come the next time and telling the useful idiots that there will be 'jam tomorrow' is the only way you can keep the ball rolling. Unfortunately the votes cast for the three main parties are numbered in the millions and they are cast by people who understand and accept reality however unpleasant it is. Your beloved Tusc is a fringe party at best and is grouped with the BNP, Ukip, Monster Raving Loony Party etc which will always attract votes cast for fun or by the disaffected. The total number of these votes will never cause a change of the system however much you want it to but do carry on backing the donkey in the Gold Cup just to amuse the rest of the population.
We are not that finge of a party as you think parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC.

Just look what as happened in Greece the True Socialist party have gone less than 3% of the vote to having a say in Government in the last 2 Elections there and are expected to win the next election and why the normally 2 main partys will not vote for a general election in a no-confidence bill in the Government.
Rome was not built in a day, so you keep saying what your more than likely will end up eating your own words, all it will take is show the people what difference there really is in the Tory's, Labour, BNP, Lib/dems, UKIP and that is very little. its only the TUSC that will offer a ral difference.
.. 'parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC'
Oh yea?
Chapter and verse please.
Tell us more.
Who, where, when?
I gave you some on the after the local election, but you stayed dead quiet about it.
Community Action Party won I believe 8 seats in the UK, the SP lost 1 seat but gain 2 in the process, Independant Labour won seats also there is just 3 groups that are part of the TUSC there are more.
So Southy you keep referring to the TUSC but already they are known as having a least two titles:- Trade union socialist coalition (funny that coming from someone who lambastes coalitions) and the Trades unionists and Socialists against cuts. Is this to confuse the electorate? Now you tell us that the TUSC or TUSAC did not win any seats, but really did win seats when they were called the community action party and the socialist alternative (are they alternative to the TUSC?){as usual without any reference or evidence.
you cannot simply claim as you have in the past that every vote not cast for one party is a vote in favour of your minority group. If you could manage to be honest (something you demand from others) you would recognise the TUSC is a bunch of no hope misfits, who cherry pick agenda items that they think people will agree with to try and get votes, but sadly most of the population even the proletariat can see through your rubbish despite their year of abuse from the bosses.
Only one title and thats the Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition TUSC.
Now do you know how the Labour Party was formed, Well the TUSC is forming the same way, it did not come Labour over night, it started because two types of left wing groups got together to form one party then bought in other minor groups to back each other, that means not standing in each other seats and they slowly came under one banner, it took 53 years before you saw a councilor under the name of the Labour party, but it all ready had Councilors and MP's before the unfication of all the groups under one banner of the Labour Party.
And all you are is scared that the TUSC will gain power because they will show people whats going on in politics and that is we are being Americanise in Economics and Political Policy, One Policy but multi Political Partys with the same agenda.
'Scared'!

Ha Ha, brilliant.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stay local[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.[/p][/quote]Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it?[/p][/quote]No it do not, Labour will do what the Tory would do and that is to sit it out. The fun will start when there will be a revolt agianst the Labour Party and Labour voters switching to the TUSC and theres an even lower turn out in voters.[/p][/quote]The big push will always come the next time and telling the useful idiots that there will be 'jam tomorrow' is the only way you can keep the ball rolling. Unfortunately the votes cast for the three main parties are numbered in the millions and they are cast by people who understand and accept reality however unpleasant it is. Your beloved Tusc is a fringe party at best and is grouped with the BNP, Ukip, Monster Raving Loony Party etc which will always attract votes cast for fun or by the disaffected. The total number of these votes will never cause a change of the system however much you want it to but do carry on backing the donkey in the Gold Cup just to amuse the rest of the population.[/p][/quote]We are not that finge of a party as you think parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC. Just look what as happened in Greece the True Socialist party have gone less than 3% of the vote to having a say in Government in the last 2 Elections there and are expected to win the next election and why the normally 2 main partys will not vote for a general election in a no-confidence bill in the Government. Rome was not built in a day, so you keep saying what your more than likely will end up eating your own words, all it will take is show the people what difference there really is in the Tory's, Labour, BNP, Lib/dems, UKIP and that is very little. its only the TUSC that will offer a ral difference.[/p][/quote].. 'parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC' Oh yea? Chapter and verse please. Tell us more. Who, where, when?[/p][/quote]I gave you some on the after the local election, but you stayed dead quiet about it. Community Action Party won I believe 8 seats in the UK, the SP lost 1 seat but gain 2 in the process, Independant Labour won seats also there is just 3 groups that are part of the TUSC there are more.[/p][/quote]So Southy you keep referring to the TUSC but already they are known as having a least two titles:- Trade union socialist coalition (funny that coming from someone who lambastes coalitions) and the Trades unionists and Socialists against cuts. Is this to confuse the electorate? Now you tell us that the TUSC or TUSAC did not win any seats, but really did win seats when they were called the community action party and the socialist alternative (are they alternative to the TUSC?){as usual without any reference or evidence. you cannot simply claim as you have in the past that every vote not cast for one party is a vote in favour of your minority group. If you could manage to be honest (something you demand from others) you would recognise the TUSC is a bunch of no hope misfits, who cherry pick agenda items that they think people will agree with to try and get votes, but sadly most of the population even the proletariat can see through your rubbish despite their year of abuse from the bosses.[/p][/quote]Only one title and thats the Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition TUSC. Now do you know how the Labour Party was formed, Well the TUSC is forming the same way, it did not come Labour over night, it started because two types of left wing groups got together to form one party then bought in other minor groups to back each other, that means not standing in each other seats and they slowly came under one banner, it took 53 years before you saw a councilor under the name of the Labour party, but it all ready had Councilors and MP's before the unfication of all the groups under one banner of the Labour Party. And all you are is scared that the TUSC will gain power because they will show people whats going on in politics and that is we are being Americanise in Economics and Political Policy, One Policy but multi Political Partys with the same agenda.[/p][/quote]'Scared'! Ha Ha, brilliant. Shoong
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11:50am Mon 28 May 12

southy says...

As for evidence try looking at the Steering comittee of the TUSC like one is a SP and another is SWP (north), another is SA, another is CAP, and another is from a Union.
So before you go posting again with your false Right Wing Propaganda Agenda do some real reseach.
As for evidence try looking at the Steering comittee of the TUSC like one is a SP and another is SWP (north), another is SA, another is CAP, and another is from a Union. So before you go posting again with your false Right Wing Propaganda Agenda do some real reseach. southy
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12:00pm Mon 28 May 12

southy says...

Yes Shoong the Right Wing are thats why Labour hit certain Areas really hard and left the Torys alone, Like in coventry Labour put all they had into stopping Dave N from being re-elected and they only just done it by a few 100 votes and left the Torys alone in Coventry.
They hit Redbridge early and hard to try and stop me from gaining any more votes, they failed even low the Turn out drop by 6% my votes went up to 8%.
Next time theres a Revolt against the Labour Party the Torys will not pick up the Vote, it be the TUSC that will and that what scares the right wing to.
Yes Shoong the Right Wing are thats why Labour hit certain Areas really hard and left the Torys alone, Like in coventry Labour put all they had into stopping Dave N from being re-elected and they only just done it by a few 100 votes and left the Torys alone in Coventry. They hit Redbridge early and hard to try and stop me from gaining any more votes, they failed even low the Turn out drop by 6% my votes went up to 8%. Next time theres a Revolt against the Labour Party the Torys will not pick up the Vote, it be the TUSC that will and that what scares the right wing to. southy
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1:25pm Mon 28 May 12

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
.. southy, I repeat: -

'NAME the councils for both CAP and SA wins in the 2012 local elections.

Go on, details, details, details - bet you can't provide.'
I not going to repeat my self go and but a TUSC newspaper and get the info.
Under-stand this will you how did the Labour Party start is the same way the TUSC started its the same 2 groups that first formed the Labour Party that is forming the TUSC, there is a number of different groups that have joined the TUSC, Even the Socialist Green Party have started to drop the Green party and joining the TUSC after what happened in Brighton.
.. so the answer is 'nul points' then?

There are NO elected TUSC, SA or CAP councillors anywhere in England - a fact duly confirmed by no less an authority than the official TUSC website.

Again, you are caught out telling fibs about Trotskyist successes in local elections.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: .. southy, I repeat: - 'NAME the councils for both CAP and SA wins in the 2012 local elections. Go on, details, details, details - bet you can't provide.'[/p][/quote]I not going to repeat my self go and but a TUSC newspaper and get the info. Under-stand this will you how did the Labour Party start is the same way the TUSC started its the same 2 groups that first formed the Labour Party that is forming the TUSC, there is a number of different groups that have joined the TUSC, Even the Socialist Green Party have started to drop the Green party and joining the TUSC after what happened in Brighton.[/p][/quote].. so the answer is 'nul points' then? There are NO elected TUSC, SA or CAP councillors anywhere in England - a fact duly confirmed by no less an authority than the official TUSC website. Again, you are caught out telling fibs about Trotskyist successes in local elections. freefinker
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2:58pm Mon 28 May 12

Datarater says...

Don't allow the left wing trolls to divert us from uncovering the facts about this labour administration.

Don't talk about TUSC etc. stick to demanding accountability from those elected to govern our fine city.
Don't allow the left wing trolls to divert us from uncovering the facts about this labour administration. Don't talk about TUSC etc. stick to demanding accountability from those elected to govern our fine city. Datarater
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3:59pm Mon 28 May 12

loosehead says...

Look all I want to know is.Before the elections a shadow
cabinet member (labour)resigned due to the fact he didn't trust Mr.williams promises on refuse collections.
we had Royston & the conservative council saying this year we need to save £25million & try & keep redundancies to a minimum they were attacked straight away by two Unions who were hell bent on getting a Labour council.
We had to put up with their strikes & their constant attacks in this paper if you agreed with the council.
Then Royston & every Tory councillor stated the truth on how much we were going to be cut this year & said Labour wouldn't be able to fulfil all it's wild promises, as the bill for what was being cut plus the council wage repayment would come to £52million ( £45 gov.£7mill pay) & that would be just the tip of the ice berg.
So once into power Morrell sees the books realises the amount of cuts as well as the type of council tax labour would have to make & resigns.
Williams asks him to lie then lies about it himself?
If you go on past references then Williams comes out as firm candidate to be the liar so come on Ant & sotondave & all you other Labour councillors or supporters say who lied & why?
Don't remember the Tories gagging anyone so why are you allowing this gagging order from anyone?
WHO LIED?
Look all I want to know is.Before the elections a shadow cabinet member (labour)resigned due to the fact he didn't trust Mr.williams promises on refuse collections. we had Royston & the conservative council saying this year we need to save £25million & try & keep redundancies to a minimum they were attacked straight away by two Unions who were hell bent on getting a Labour council. We had to put up with their strikes & their constant attacks in this paper if you agreed with the council. Then Royston & every Tory councillor stated the truth on how much we were going to be cut this year & said Labour wouldn't be able to fulfil all it's wild promises, as the bill for what was being cut plus the council wage repayment would come to £52million ( £45 gov.£7mill pay) & that would be just the tip of the ice berg. So once into power Morrell sees the books realises the amount of cuts as well as the type of council tax labour would have to make & resigns. Williams asks him to lie then lies about it himself? If you go on past references then Williams comes out as firm candidate to be the liar so come on Ant & sotondave & all you other Labour councillors or supporters say who lied & why? Don't remember the Tories gagging anyone so why are you allowing this gagging order from anyone? WHO LIED? loosehead
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5:08pm Mon 28 May 12

OceansofRed says...

Freemantle two girl, you had a good attempt at deflecting attention but bless you, even your heart isn't it in.

The labour loud mouth councillor who happy pontificates on his blog has been oddly silent about these revelations.
Freemantle two girl, you had a good attempt at deflecting attention but bless you, even your heart isn't it in. The labour loud mouth councillor who happy pontificates on his blog has been oddly silent about these revelations. OceansofRed
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6:04am Tue 29 May 12

stay local says...

southy wrote:
stay local wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.
Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it?
No it do not, Labour will do what the Tory would do and that is to sit it out.
The fun will start when there will be a revolt agianst the Labour Party and Labour voters switching to the TUSC and theres an even lower turn out in voters.
The big push will always come the next time and telling the useful idiots that there will be 'jam tomorrow' is the only way you can keep the ball rolling. Unfortunately the votes cast for the three main parties are numbered in the millions and they are cast by people who understand and accept reality however unpleasant it is. Your beloved Tusc is a fringe party at best and is grouped with the BNP, Ukip, Monster Raving Loony Party etc which will always attract votes cast for fun or by the disaffected. The total number of these votes will never cause a change of the system however much you want it to but do carry on backing the donkey in the Gold Cup just to amuse the rest of the population.
We are not that finge of a party as you think parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC.

Just look what as happened in Greece the True Socialist party have gone less than 3% of the vote to having a say in Government in the last 2 Elections there and are expected to win the next election and why the normally 2 main partys will not vote for a general election in a no-confidence bill in the Government.
Rome was not built in a day, so you keep saying what your more than likely will end up eating your own words, all it will take is show the people what difference there really is in the Tory's, Labour, BNP, Lib/dems, UKIP and that is very little. its only the TUSC that will offer a ral difference.
.. 'parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC'
Oh yea?
Chapter and verse please.
Tell us more.
Who, where, when?
I gave you some on the after the local election, but you stayed dead quiet about it.
Community Action Party won I believe 8 seats in the UK, the SP lost 1 seat but gain 2 in the process, Independant Labour won seats also there is just 3 groups that are part of the TUSC there are more.
So Southy you keep referring to the TUSC but already they are known as having a least two titles:- Trade union socialist coalition (funny that coming from someone who lambastes coalitions) and the Trades unionists and Socialists against cuts. Is this to confuse the electorate? Now you tell us that the TUSC or TUSAC did not win any seats, but really did win seats when they were called the community action party and the socialist alternative (are they alternative to the TUSC?){as usual without any reference or evidence.
you cannot simply claim as you have in the past that every vote not cast for one party is a vote in favour of your minority group. If you could manage to be honest (something you demand from others) you would recognise the TUSC is a bunch of no hope misfits, who cherry pick agenda items that they think people will agree with to try and get votes, but sadly most of the population even the proletariat can see through your rubbish despite their year of abuse from the bosses.
Only one title and thats the Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition TUSC.
Now do you know how the Labour Party was formed, Well the TUSC is forming the same way, it did not come Labour over night, it started because two types of left wing groups got together to form one party then bought in other minor groups to back each other, that means not standing in each other seats and they slowly came under one banner, it took 53 years before you saw a councilor under the name of the Labour party, but it all ready had Councilors and MP's before the unfication of all the groups under one banner of the Labour Party.
And all you are is scared that the TUSC will gain power because they will show people whats going on in politics and that is we are being Americanise in Economics and Political Policy, One Policy but multi Political Partys with the same agenda.
More lies from the telephone box socialist!! Tell us Southy what party was on the the ballot paper for Redbridge ward in the May 2012 for Peter Michael Wyatt (the one that only got 220 votes) please give the full details as recorded on the election papers. Hopefully you can remember which party you were representing at the election. Because it was not the trade unionist and socialist coalition (TUSC)
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stay local[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.[/p][/quote]Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it?[/p][/quote]No it do not, Labour will do what the Tory would do and that is to sit it out. The fun will start when there will be a revolt agianst the Labour Party and Labour voters switching to the TUSC and theres an even lower turn out in voters.[/p][/quote]The big push will always come the next time and telling the useful idiots that there will be 'jam tomorrow' is the only way you can keep the ball rolling. Unfortunately the votes cast for the three main parties are numbered in the millions and they are cast by people who understand and accept reality however unpleasant it is. Your beloved Tusc is a fringe party at best and is grouped with the BNP, Ukip, Monster Raving Loony Party etc which will always attract votes cast for fun or by the disaffected. The total number of these votes will never cause a change of the system however much you want it to but do carry on backing the donkey in the Gold Cup just to amuse the rest of the population.[/p][/quote]We are not that finge of a party as you think parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC. Just look what as happened in Greece the True Socialist party have gone less than 3% of the vote to having a say in Government in the last 2 Elections there and are expected to win the next election and why the normally 2 main partys will not vote for a general election in a no-confidence bill in the Government. Rome was not built in a day, so you keep saying what your more than likely will end up eating your own words, all it will take is show the people what difference there really is in the Tory's, Labour, BNP, Lib/dems, UKIP and that is very little. its only the TUSC that will offer a ral difference.[/p][/quote].. 'parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC' Oh yea? Chapter and verse please. Tell us more. Who, where, when?[/p][/quote]I gave you some on the after the local election, but you stayed dead quiet about it. Community Action Party won I believe 8 seats in the UK, the SP lost 1 seat but gain 2 in the process, Independant Labour won seats also there is just 3 groups that are part of the TUSC there are more.[/p][/quote]So Southy you keep referring to the TUSC but already they are known as having a least two titles:- Trade union socialist coalition (funny that coming from someone who lambastes coalitions) and the Trades unionists and Socialists against cuts. Is this to confuse the electorate? Now you tell us that the TUSC or TUSAC did not win any seats, but really did win seats when they were called the community action party and the socialist alternative (are they alternative to the TUSC?){as usual without any reference or evidence. you cannot simply claim as you have in the past that every vote not cast for one party is a vote in favour of your minority group. If you could manage to be honest (something you demand from others) you would recognise the TUSC is a bunch of no hope misfits, who cherry pick agenda items that they think people will agree with to try and get votes, but sadly most of the population even the proletariat can see through your rubbish despite their year of abuse from the bosses.[/p][/quote]Only one title and thats the Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition TUSC. Now do you know how the Labour Party was formed, Well the TUSC is forming the same way, it did not come Labour over night, it started because two types of left wing groups got together to form one party then bought in other minor groups to back each other, that means not standing in each other seats and they slowly came under one banner, it took 53 years before you saw a councilor under the name of the Labour party, but it all ready had Councilors and MP's before the unfication of all the groups under one banner of the Labour Party. And all you are is scared that the TUSC will gain power because they will show people whats going on in politics and that is we are being Americanise in Economics and Political Policy, One Policy but multi Political Partys with the same agenda.[/p][/quote]More lies from the telephone box socialist!! Tell us Southy what party was on the the ballot paper for Redbridge ward in the May 2012 for Peter Michael Wyatt (the one that only got 220 votes) please give the full details as recorded on the election papers. Hopefully you can remember which party you were representing at the election. Because it was not the trade unionist and socialist coalition (TUSC) stay local
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stay local says...

southy wrote:
stay local wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.
Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it?
No it do not, Labour will do what the Tory would do and that is to sit it out.
The fun will start when there will be a revolt agianst the Labour Party and Labour voters switching to the TUSC and theres an even lower turn out in voters.
The big push will always come the next time and telling the useful idiots that there will be 'jam tomorrow' is the only way you can keep the ball rolling. Unfortunately the votes cast for the three main parties are numbered in the millions and they are cast by people who understand and accept reality however unpleasant it is. Your beloved Tusc is a fringe party at best and is grouped with the BNP, Ukip, Monster Raving Loony Party etc which will always attract votes cast for fun or by the disaffected. The total number of these votes will never cause a change of the system however much you want it to but do carry on backing the donkey in the Gold Cup just to amuse the rest of the population.
We are not that finge of a party as you think parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC.

Just look what as happened in Greece the True Socialist party have gone less than 3% of the vote to having a say in Government in the last 2 Elections there and are expected to win the next election and why the normally 2 main partys will not vote for a general election in a no-confidence bill in the Government.
Rome was not built in a day, so you keep saying what your more than likely will end up eating your own words, all it will take is show the people what difference there really is in the Tory's, Labour, BNP, Lib/dems, UKIP and that is very little. its only the TUSC that will offer a ral difference.
.. 'parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC'
Oh yea?
Chapter and verse please.
Tell us more.
Who, where, when?
I gave you some on the after the local election, but you stayed dead quiet about it.
Community Action Party won I believe 8 seats in the UK, the SP lost 1 seat but gain 2 in the process, Independant Labour won seats also there is just 3 groups that are part of the TUSC there are more.
So Southy you keep referring to the TUSC but already they are known as having a least two titles:- Trade union socialist coalition (funny that coming from someone who lambastes coalitions) and the Trades unionists and Socialists against cuts. Is this to confuse the electorate? Now you tell us that the TUSC or TUSAC did not win any seats, but really did win seats when they were called the community action party and the socialist alternative (are they alternative to the TUSC?){as usual without any reference or evidence.
you cannot simply claim as you have in the past that every vote not cast for one party is a vote in favour of your minority group. If you could manage to be honest (something you demand from others) you would recognise the TUSC is a bunch of no hope misfits, who cherry pick agenda items that they think people will agree with to try and get votes, but sadly most of the population even the proletariat can see through your rubbish despite their year of abuse from the bosses.
Only one title and thats the Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition TUSC.
Now do you know how the Labour Party was formed, Well the TUSC is forming the same way, it did not come Labour over night, it started because two types of left wing groups got together to form one party then bought in other minor groups to back each other, that means not standing in each other seats and they slowly came under one banner, it took 53 years before you saw a councilor under the name of the Labour party, but it all ready had Councilors and MP's before the unfication of all the groups under one banner of the Labour Party.
And all you are is scared that the TUSC will gain power because they will show people whats going on in politics and that is we are being Americanise in Economics and Political Policy, One Policy but multi Political Partys with the same agenda.
More lies from the telephone box socialist!! Tell us Southy what party was on the the ballot paper for Redbridge ward in the May 2012 for Peter Michael Wyatt (the one that only got 220 votes) please give the full details as recorded on the election papers. Hopefully you can remember which party you were representing at the election. Because it was not the trade unionist and socialist coalition (TUSC)
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stay local[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Only a few weeks after the election this administration is shaping up to being a complete shambles. The fun will start when the unions don't get what they want, better start clearing out the rubbish now.[/p][/quote]Condor man looking good for two conservative MP's in Southampton & a Tory council doesn't it?[/p][/quote]No it do not, Labour will do what the Tory would do and that is to sit it out. The fun will start when there will be a revolt agianst the Labour Party and Labour voters switching to the TUSC and theres an even lower turn out in voters.[/p][/quote]The big push will always come the next time and telling the useful idiots that there will be 'jam tomorrow' is the only way you can keep the ball rolling. Unfortunately the votes cast for the three main parties are numbered in the millions and they are cast by people who understand and accept reality however unpleasant it is. Your beloved Tusc is a fringe party at best and is grouped with the BNP, Ukip, Monster Raving Loony Party etc which will always attract votes cast for fun or by the disaffected. The total number of these votes will never cause a change of the system however much you want it to but do carry on backing the donkey in the Gold Cup just to amuse the rest of the population.[/p][/quote]We are not that finge of a party as you think parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC. Just look what as happened in Greece the True Socialist party have gone less than 3% of the vote to having a say in Government in the last 2 Elections there and are expected to win the next election and why the normally 2 main partys will not vote for a general election in a no-confidence bill in the Government. Rome was not built in a day, so you keep saying what your more than likely will end up eating your own words, all it will take is show the people what difference there really is in the Tory's, Labour, BNP, Lib/dems, UKIP and that is very little. its only the TUSC that will offer a ral difference.[/p][/quote].. 'parts of the TUSC have won Council seats but under there name and not under TUSC' Oh yea? Chapter and verse please. Tell us more. Who, where, when?[/p][/quote]I gave you some on the after the local election, but you stayed dead quiet about it. Community Action Party won I believe 8 seats in the UK, the SP lost 1 seat but gain 2 in the process, Independant Labour won seats also there is just 3 groups that are part of the TUSC there are more.[/p][/quote]So Southy you keep referring to the TUSC but already they are known as having a least two titles:- Trade union socialist coalition (funny that coming from someone who lambastes coalitions) and the Trades unionists and Socialists against cuts. Is this to confuse the electorate? Now you tell us that the TUSC or TUSAC did not win any seats, but really did win seats when they were called the community action party and the socialist alternative (are they alternative to the TUSC?){as usual without any reference or evidence. you cannot simply claim as you have in the past that every vote not cast for one party is a vote in favour of your minority group. If you could manage to be honest (something you demand from others) you would recognise the TUSC is a bunch of no hope misfits, who cherry pick agenda items that they think people will agree with to try and get votes, but sadly most of the population even the proletariat can see through your rubbish despite their year of abuse from the bosses.[/p][/quote]Only one title and thats the Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition TUSC. Now do you know how the Labour Party was formed, Well the TUSC is forming the same way, it did not come Labour over night, it started because two types of left wing groups got together to form one party then bought in other minor groups to back each other, that means not standing in each other seats and they slowly came under one banner, it took 53 years before you saw a councilor under the name of the Labour party, but it all ready had Councilors and MP's before the unfication of all the groups under one banner of the Labour Party. And all you are is scared that the TUSC will gain power because they will show people whats going on in politics and that is we are being Americanise in Economics and Political Policy, One Policy but multi Political Partys with the same agenda.[/p][/quote]More lies from the telephone box socialist!! Tell us Southy what party was on the the ballot paper for Redbridge ward in the May 2012 for Peter Michael Wyatt (the one that only got 220 votes) please give the full details as recorded on the election papers. Hopefully you can remember which party you were representing at the election. Because it was not the trade unionist and socialist coalition (TUSC) stay local
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