Labour leader Richard Williams to answer claims he brought council into disrepute

Council leader Richard Williams

Councillor Keith Morrell

First published in Politics Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Politics and business reporter

SOUTHAMPTON’S new council leader will be forced to answer claims he misled the public over the resignation of a Cabinet member at a special council meeting later this month.

Conservatives have called an extraordinary council meeting to demand Labour councillor Richard Williams is removed from his office for bringing the council into disrepute.

The council leader is accused of misleading the public over the real reasons for the resignation of his efficiency tsar just two weeks into the job to avoid political embarrassment.

Cllr Williams said in a council statement that Councillor Keith Morrell had quit for health reasons, when in fact he was fighting fit.

As revealed by the Daily Echo, Cllr Morrell later admitted it was a “fiction” cooked up to avert a damaging public policy split after he had told Cllr Williams he was going as he could not defend looming cuts and savings that will need to be made to balance the books.

Cllr Williams, who said he welcomed the debate to clear up any “confusion”, insists Cllr Morrell told him he was quitting due to ill health.

The Tory motion states: “In view of the real reason for the resignation of councillor Morrell as Cabinet member for efficiency and innovation, being that he did not agree with the new Labour administration’s proposals to deal with the council’s budget problems and not that he was ill as publicly stated and repeated by the leader of the council, that the leader has brought the council into disrepute and accordingly the council has no confidence in him, and resolves to remove him from the office as Leader”.

Labour Cabinet members, who were initially gagged from speaking to the press by regional party bosses, told the Echo they have full confidence in Cllr Williams.

The extraordinary council meeting will be held on June 25.

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11:40am Fri 15 Jun 12

George4th says...

Keith Morrell should resign from the council after speedily running away from the responsibility of the job he originally accepted!
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As for Williams? In a time of austerity when strong leadership is required, he managed to loose one shadow cabinet member just before the elections and one cabinet member immediately after the elections. Something wrong somewhere!
Keith Morrell should resign from the council after speedily running away from the responsibility of the job he originally accepted! > As for Williams? In a time of austerity when strong leadership is required, he managed to loose one shadow cabinet member just before the elections and one cabinet member immediately after the elections. Something wrong somewhere! George4th
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11:45am Fri 15 Jun 12

Condor Man says...

I'm prepared to cut Williams some slack if he was told by Morrell that health was the issue. Then again, the PM was alleged to be very vague yesterday on his recall of events.....
I'm prepared to cut Williams some slack if he was told by Morrell that health was the issue. Then again, the PM was alleged to be very vague yesterday on his recall of events..... Condor Man
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11:52am Fri 15 Jun 12

loosehead says...

Condor Man wrote:
I'm prepared to cut Williams some slack if he was told by Morrell that health was the issue. Then again, the PM was alleged to be very vague yesterday on his recall of events.....
Condorman what about Barnes-Andrews statement that Williams was lying about refuse collections & resigning from the shadow cabinet?
One disgruntled councillor fine but two calling him a liar can you honestly believe he's telling the truth & the other two are lying?
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: I'm prepared to cut Williams some slack if he was told by Morrell that health was the issue. Then again, the PM was alleged to be very vague yesterday on his recall of events.....[/p][/quote]Condorman what about Barnes-Andrews statement that Williams was lying about refuse collections & resigning from the shadow cabinet? One disgruntled councillor fine but two calling him a liar can you honestly believe he's telling the truth & the other two are lying? loosehead
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12:11pm Fri 15 Jun 12

bigfella777 says...

This does not suprise me at all, the whole labour election campaign was based on lies and promises that cannot be delivered that's why Morrell quit because you cannot spend what you dont have.
This does not suprise me at all, the whole labour election campaign was based on lies and promises that cannot be delivered that's why Morrell quit because you cannot spend what you dont have. bigfella777
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12:15pm Fri 15 Jun 12

Linesman says...

In the current situation, are there not more important issues that the Council should be dealing with?

If the opposition cannot understand that, and get their priorities right, perhaps that is why they are now the opposition.
In the current situation, are there not more important issues that the Council should be dealing with? If the opposition cannot understand that, and get their priorities right, perhaps that is why they are now the opposition. Linesman
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12:38pm Fri 15 Jun 12

tootle says...

So somebody is lying. They are all politicians. What do we expect - the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. Add in the press as well. Entertainment.
So somebody is lying. They are all politicians. What do we expect - the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. Add in the press as well. Entertainment. tootle
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12:47pm Fri 15 Jun 12

Walter K says...

...."the whole labour election campaign was based on lies and promises that cannot be delivered"

Not too disimilar to the bunch currently in No.10 then.
...."the whole labour election campaign was based on lies and promises that cannot be delivered" Not too disimilar to the bunch currently in No.10 then. Walter K
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1:01pm Fri 15 Jun 12

Verloren Hoop says...

Can't say that I'm surprised that politicians lie. However, the opposition is on a hiding to nothing by calling this meeting as nothing would change if the mayor was ousted.
Can't say that I'm surprised that politicians lie. However, the opposition is on a hiding to nothing by calling this meeting as nothing would change if the mayor was ousted. Verloren Hoop
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1:05pm Fri 15 Jun 12

Shoong says...

Linesman wrote:
In the current situation, are there not more important issues that the Council should be dealing with?

If the opposition cannot understand that, and get their priorities right, perhaps that is why they are now the opposition.
What's more important than the Council Leader misleading the electorate?

Stop attempting to make excuses for the wrong horse you backed.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: In the current situation, are there not more important issues that the Council should be dealing with? If the opposition cannot understand that, and get their priorities right, perhaps that is why they are now the opposition.[/p][/quote]What's more important than the Council Leader misleading the electorate? Stop attempting to make excuses for the wrong horse you backed. Shoong
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1:07pm Fri 15 Jun 12

Shoong says...

Walter K wrote:
...."the whole labour election campaign was based on lies and promises that cannot be delivered"

Not too disimilar to the bunch currently in No.10 then.
Yawn, do please focus on the situation at hand i.e. Southampton City council.
[quote][p][bold]Walter K[/bold] wrote: ...."the whole labour election campaign was based on lies and promises that cannot be delivered" Not too disimilar to the bunch currently in No.10 then.[/p][/quote]Yawn, do please focus on the situation at hand i.e. Southampton City council. Shoong
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1:10pm Fri 15 Jun 12

IronLady2010 says...

Can we bring this meeting forward so we can carry on with the great work Royston started and continue making improvements to our great City!
Can we bring this meeting forward so we can carry on with the great work Royston started and continue making improvements to our great City! IronLady2010
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1:16pm Fri 15 Jun 12

Shoong says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Can we bring this meeting forward so we can carry on with the great work Royston started and continue making improvements to our great City!
Surely the previous lot can't be any worse, this lot couldn't wait 2 weeks before imploding! :)
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Can we bring this meeting forward so we can carry on with the great work Royston started and continue making improvements to our great City![/p][/quote]Surely the previous lot can't be any worse, this lot couldn't wait 2 weeks before imploding! :) Shoong
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1:21pm Fri 15 Jun 12

IronLady2010 says...

The point is, wether this meeting should have been called for or not, it is going to happen. In the meantime the Council are going to be under pressure and will not work efficiently as they'll be focusing on this meeting. So we are now wasting 2 more weeks where the Council will be working in negative mode.

Get this meeting over with fast and get back to running the City and making more and more improvements. Good luck to everyone, I don't care who is running the Council if they do a decent job!
The point is, wether this meeting should have been called for or not, it is going to happen. In the meantime the Council are going to be under pressure and will not work efficiently as they'll be focusing on this meeting. So we are now wasting 2 more weeks where the Council will be working in negative mode. Get this meeting over with fast and get back to running the City and making more and more improvements. Good luck to everyone, I don't care who is running the Council if they do a decent job! IronLady2010
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2:20pm Fri 15 Jun 12

Taskforce 141 says...

Shock horror, a politician lying, whatever next?

Unfortunately we have to pick the best from a bad bunch and still end up with crap.

Its about time there was a rethink with regard to elected representatives of the people, the ancient Greek model for example was free from abuse and corruption - it was a lottery and every person would be included. Admittedly I have my doubts about who could get called to represent the people, but it stops those who are selfishly motivated and corrupt getting power...
Shock horror, a politician lying, whatever next? Unfortunately we have to pick the best from a bad bunch and still end up with crap. Its about time there was a rethink with regard to elected representatives of the people, the ancient Greek model for example was free from abuse and corruption - it was a lottery and every person would be included. Admittedly I have my doubts about who could get called to represent the people, but it stops those who are selfishly motivated and corrupt getting power... Taskforce 141
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2:48pm Fri 15 Jun 12

dave1958 says...

what is Cllr bully boy, comb over Royston Smith going to achieve by calling this special meeting. Look at the simple majority 11. I know math is not one of Roystons strong points but I would have thought that Cllr Jeremy Moulton would have seen that. How many times could Labour have done exactly the same thing when Cllr Bully Boy Comb over Royston Smith was leader. It just shows that he has nothing to fill his day with now, perhaps he should go and start running the security company that he is a director of.
Ironlady2010, what ever happens Labour will still be running the City for the next 2 years, this is not like parliament. And as for you other Tory Trolls grow up and start living in the real world not through the rose tinted glasses, no sorry that should be blue rinse glasses you have on. The electorate of Southampton have rejected the Tory Party, and Royston Smith. We will see what happens in 2 years time.
what is Cllr bully boy, comb over Royston Smith going to achieve by calling this special meeting. Look at the simple majority 11. I know math is not one of Roystons strong points but I would have thought that Cllr Jeremy Moulton would have seen that. How many times could Labour have done exactly the same thing when Cllr Bully Boy Comb over Royston Smith was leader. It just shows that he has nothing to fill his day with now, perhaps he should go and start running the security company that he is a director of. Ironlady2010, what ever happens Labour will still be running the City for the next 2 years, this is not like parliament. And as for you other Tory Trolls grow up and start living in the real world not through the rose tinted glasses, no sorry that should be blue rinse glasses you have on. The electorate of Southampton have rejected the Tory Party, and Royston Smith. We will see what happens in 2 years time. dave1958
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2:48pm Fri 15 Jun 12

aldermoorboy says...

Well done the Echo, for trying to find out the truth.Excellent investigate journalism.
Well done the Echo, for trying to find out the truth.Excellent investigate journalism. aldermoorboy
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2:54pm Fri 15 Jun 12

IronLady2010 says...

dave1958 wrote:
what is Cllr bully boy, comb over Royston Smith going to achieve by calling this special meeting. Look at the simple majority 11. I know math is not one of Roystons strong points but I would have thought that Cllr Jeremy Moulton would have seen that. How many times could Labour have done exactly the same thing when Cllr Bully Boy Comb over Royston Smith was leader. It just shows that he has nothing to fill his day with now, perhaps he should go and start running the security company that he is a director of.
Ironlady2010, what ever happens Labour will still be running the City for the next 2 years, this is not like parliament. And as for you other Tory Trolls grow up and start living in the real world not through the rose tinted glasses, no sorry that should be blue rinse glasses you have on. The electorate of Southampton have rejected the Tory Party, and Royston Smith. We will see what happens in 2 years time.
Dave, I have never suggested Labour wouldn't be running the City after this meeting. I just want it over with so who ever is running the City (Labour wise) can focus on one thing without the negative thoughts!

I also suggested, it makes no difference about how or why the meeting was called, it HAS been called and now has to be dealt with.
Let's just get it over with, so we can continue to improve our City for both residents and visitors.
[quote][p][bold]dave1958[/bold] wrote: what is Cllr bully boy, comb over Royston Smith going to achieve by calling this special meeting. Look at the simple majority 11. I know math is not one of Roystons strong points but I would have thought that Cllr Jeremy Moulton would have seen that. How many times could Labour have done exactly the same thing when Cllr Bully Boy Comb over Royston Smith was leader. It just shows that he has nothing to fill his day with now, perhaps he should go and start running the security company that he is a director of. Ironlady2010, what ever happens Labour will still be running the City for the next 2 years, this is not like parliament. And as for you other Tory Trolls grow up and start living in the real world not through the rose tinted glasses, no sorry that should be blue rinse glasses you have on. The electorate of Southampton have rejected the Tory Party, and Royston Smith. We will see what happens in 2 years time.[/p][/quote]Dave, I have never suggested Labour wouldn't be running the City after this meeting. I just want it over with so who ever is running the City (Labour wise) can focus on one thing without the negative thoughts! I also suggested, it makes no difference about how or why the meeting was called, it HAS been called and now has to be dealt with. Let's just get it over with, so we can continue to improve our City for both residents and visitors. IronLady2010
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2:57pm Fri 15 Jun 12

Shoong says...

'How many times could Labour have done exactly the same thing when Cllr Bully Boy Comb over Royston Smith was leader.'

They didn't.



'start living in the real world not through the rose tinted glasses, no sorry that should be blue rinse glasses you have on.'

I'm sorry you'll have to pass the

'rose tinted glasses'

to others as you seem to be wearing them already.

And as for the 'comb over' comments, do grow up. Maybe these adult issues just aren't for you, come back when your voice breaks maybe.
'How many times could Labour have done exactly the same thing when Cllr Bully Boy Comb over Royston Smith was leader.' They didn't. 'start living in the real world not through the rose tinted glasses, no sorry that should be blue rinse glasses you have on.' I'm sorry you'll have to pass the 'rose tinted glasses' to others as you seem to be wearing them already. And as for the 'comb over' comments, do grow up. Maybe these adult issues just aren't for you, come back when your voice breaks maybe. Shoong
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3:33pm Fri 15 Jun 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

I think all but the very blinkered would want the Councillors to drop the Political dogma and simply get down to sorting out the mess sensibly?
I think all but the very blinkered would want the Councillors to drop the Political dogma and simply get down to sorting out the mess sensibly? OSPREYSAINT
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4:35pm Fri 15 Jun 12

aldermoorboy says...

This meeting could be good for local politics. Labour have a chance to show they can be honourable by telling the whole truth.
This meeting could be good for local politics. Labour have a chance to show they can be honourable by telling the whole truth. aldermoorboy
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6:27pm Fri 15 Jun 12

andysaints007 says...

dave1958 wrote:
what is Cllr bully boy, comb over Royston Smith going to achieve by calling this special meeting. Look at the simple majority 11. I know math is not one of Roystons strong points but I would have thought that Cllr Jeremy Moulton would have seen that. How many times could Labour have done exactly the same thing when Cllr Bully Boy Comb over Royston Smith was leader. It just shows that he has nothing to fill his day with now, perhaps he should go and start running the security company that he is a director of.
Ironlady2010, what ever happens Labour will still be running the City for the next 2 years, this is not like parliament. And as for you other Tory Trolls grow up and start living in the real world not through the rose tinted glasses, no sorry that should be blue rinse glasses you have on. The electorate of Southampton have rejected the Tory Party, and Royston Smith. We will see what happens in 2 years time.
And just what is wrong with a 'comb over' ? Lets see a pic of you then - promise we won't take the p*ss out of you !!
[quote][p][bold]dave1958[/bold] wrote: what is Cllr bully boy, comb over Royston Smith going to achieve by calling this special meeting. Look at the simple majority 11. I know math is not one of Roystons strong points but I would have thought that Cllr Jeremy Moulton would have seen that. How many times could Labour have done exactly the same thing when Cllr Bully Boy Comb over Royston Smith was leader. It just shows that he has nothing to fill his day with now, perhaps he should go and start running the security company that he is a director of. Ironlady2010, what ever happens Labour will still be running the City for the next 2 years, this is not like parliament. And as for you other Tory Trolls grow up and start living in the real world not through the rose tinted glasses, no sorry that should be blue rinse glasses you have on. The electorate of Southampton have rejected the Tory Party, and Royston Smith. We will see what happens in 2 years time.[/p][/quote]And just what is wrong with a 'comb over' ? Lets see a pic of you then - promise we won't take the p*ss out of you !! andysaints007
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6:56pm Fri 15 Jun 12

IronLady2010 says...

The 'Comb Over' comment generally comes from those who are Union members who can't think for themselves and come up with what others tell them.

I don't judge a person on a haircut, but that's my choice being an adult.
The 'Comb Over' comment generally comes from those who are Union members who can't think for themselves and come up with what others tell them. I don't judge a person on a haircut, but that's my choice being an adult. IronLady2010
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7:53pm Fri 15 Jun 12

Northam Lady says...

Is this a "public" meeting where one can pop along and see/hear what is actually going on? or am I being naiive?
Is this a "public" meeting where one can pop along and see/hear what is actually going on? or am I being naiive? Northam Lady
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8:00pm Fri 15 Jun 12

IronLady2010 says...

Northam Lady wrote:
Is this a "public" meeting where one can pop along and see/hear what is actually going on? or am I being naiive?
Good question! Will the public be allowed in the gallery?

I doubt it, there will be some regulation which keeps it behind closed doors.

Although Southy will no doubt have exclusive access as he's part of the secret club which no-one else can join! Then Barmy will have a say as he knows as much as Southy, in the meantime, we as residents are none the wiser!
[quote][p][bold]Northam Lady[/bold] wrote: Is this a "public" meeting where one can pop along and see/hear what is actually going on? or am I being naiive?[/p][/quote]Good question! Will the public be allowed in the gallery? I doubt it, there will be some regulation which keeps it behind closed doors. Although Southy will no doubt have exclusive access as he's part of the secret club which no-one else can join! Then Barmy will have a say as he knows as much as Southy, in the meantime, we as residents are none the wiser! IronLady2010
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8:11pm Fri 15 Jun 12

Northam Lady says...

Perhaps The Echo and S.C.C can let us know. I for one would wish to attend. I can't see any reason why the public should not be allowed - this is incredibly important for the citizens of Southampton. I believe the current "in vogue" word is "transparency". Be very interested to receive their response. Meanwhile, I'll email my Councillors to find out more..
Perhaps The Echo and S.C.C can let us know. I for one would wish to attend. I can't see any reason why the public should not be allowed - this is incredibly important for the citizens of Southampton. I believe the current "in vogue" word is "transparency". Be very interested to receive their response. Meanwhile, I'll email my Councillors to find out more.. Northam Lady
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8:32pm Fri 15 Jun 12

HillsidePaul says...

Council meetings are always in public apart from when confidential matters are discussed.

What constitutes a confidential matter is very strictly defined in law, and this issue is not one of them. So the meeting will be in public.

So if you want to go and watch this pointless waste of public money and the Council's time, to massage Royston's ego then fill your boots.
Council meetings are always in public apart from when confidential matters are discussed. What constitutes a confidential matter is very strictly defined in law, and this issue is not one of them. So the meeting will be in public. So if you want to go and watch this pointless waste of public money and the Council's time, to massage Royston's ego then fill your boots. HillsidePaul
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8:42pm Fri 15 Jun 12

Northam Lady says...

I don't understand - what's this got to do with Royston's "ego" - you've lost me there. I find your post very aggressive and totally unnecessary - I merely wish clarification on the real reason Cllr Morrell resigned from the Council, having voted labour in. What's wrong with that?
I don't understand - what's this got to do with Royston's "ego" - you've lost me there. I find your post very aggressive and totally unnecessary - I merely wish clarification on the real reason Cllr Morrell resigned from the Council, having voted labour in. What's wrong with that? Northam Lady
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8:45pm Fri 15 Jun 12

IronLady2010 says...

HillsidePaul wrote:
Council meetings are always in public apart from when confidential matters are discussed.

What constitutes a confidential matter is very strictly defined in law, and this issue is not one of them. So the meeting will be in public.

So if you want to go and watch this pointless waste of public money and the Council's time, to massage Royston's ego then fill your boots.
Is it a waste of public money though?

I'm not taking any sides, but if we have a Councillor that lies from the start, what good is that for us residents?

Without suggesting Royston is the best, at least he was honest and tackled things head on rather than behind the scenes?

No matter what, we need a Councillor that will continue the great work Royston started, If Williams can live up to that then fair play! If not, get rid and find someone else.
[quote][p][bold]HillsidePaul[/bold] wrote: Council meetings are always in public apart from when confidential matters are discussed. What constitutes a confidential matter is very strictly defined in law, and this issue is not one of them. So the meeting will be in public. So if you want to go and watch this pointless waste of public money and the Council's time, to massage Royston's ego then fill your boots.[/p][/quote]Is it a waste of public money though? I'm not taking any sides, but if we have a Councillor that lies from the start, what good is that for us residents? Without suggesting Royston is the best, at least he was honest and tackled things head on rather than behind the scenes? No matter what, we need a Councillor that will continue the great work Royston started, If Williams can live up to that then fair play! If not, get rid and find someone else. IronLady2010
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8:56pm Fri 15 Jun 12

Linesman says...

Shoong wrote:
Linesman wrote:
In the current situation, are there not more important issues that the Council should be dealing with?

If the opposition cannot understand that, and get their priorities right, perhaps that is why they are now the opposition.
What's more important than the Council Leader misleading the electorate?

Stop attempting to make excuses for the wrong horse you backed.
As this is supposed to have happened AFTER the council elections, I fail to see how the electorate were misled.

As it happens, I backed the right horse, which is why the Donkey is no longer leader.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: In the current situation, are there not more important issues that the Council should be dealing with? If the opposition cannot understand that, and get their priorities right, perhaps that is why they are now the opposition.[/p][/quote]What's more important than the Council Leader misleading the electorate? Stop attempting to make excuses for the wrong horse you backed.[/p][/quote]As this is supposed to have happened AFTER the council elections, I fail to see how the electorate were misled. As it happens, I backed the right horse, which is why the Donkey is no longer leader. Linesman
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9:01pm Fri 15 Jun 12

IronLady2010 says...

Linesman wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Linesman wrote:
In the current situation, are there not more important issues that the Council should be dealing with?

If the opposition cannot understand that, and get their priorities right, perhaps that is why they are now the opposition.
What's more important than the Council Leader misleading the electorate?

Stop attempting to make excuses for the wrong horse you backed.
As this is supposed to have happened AFTER the council elections, I fail to see how the electorate were misled.

As it happens, I backed the right horse, which is why the Donkey is no longer leader.
As you say, these issues come up after the elections. Perhaps the residents have been misled?
Not saying this is the case, but it needs sorting and fast!
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: In the current situation, are there not more important issues that the Council should be dealing with? If the opposition cannot understand that, and get their priorities right, perhaps that is why they are now the opposition.[/p][/quote]What's more important than the Council Leader misleading the electorate? Stop attempting to make excuses for the wrong horse you backed.[/p][/quote]As this is supposed to have happened AFTER the council elections, I fail to see how the electorate were misled. As it happens, I backed the right horse, which is why the Donkey is no longer leader.[/p][/quote]As you say, these issues come up after the elections. Perhaps the residents have been misled? Not saying this is the case, but it needs sorting and fast! IronLady2010
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9:04pm Fri 15 Jun 12

Northam Lady says...

Excuse me but this is nothing to do with Smith. It is merely to seek clarification on why Morrel resigned and was our Leader of the Council honest when he cited the reasons he did. That is why I'm going to listen to the arguments and make up my own mind, having heard (hopefully) the facts, not like some people on here.
Excuse me but this is nothing to do with Smith. It is merely to seek clarification on why Morrel resigned and was our Leader of the Council honest when he cited the reasons he did. That is why I'm going to listen to the arguments and make up my own mind, having heard (hopefully) the facts, not like some people on here. Northam Lady
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9:32pm Fri 15 Jun 12

loosehead says...

Seems to me a lot of the Anti Royston posters on here seem to have forgotten what they've posted in the past?
When Royston & the Tory council said the safest way to save jobs is to cut pay for the better off council workers they called him a liar.
When Williams did a press interview in which he stated there would be improved working practices nothing was said.
Then another press interview & he said 1-10 refuse jobs to go & fortnightly collections.
Hurried meeting of the Labour party & surprise,surprise the Echo lied he never said that sound familiar?
Then before let's say it again BEFORE the elections Barnes - Andrews resigns fro the shadow cabinet because Willams was lying about refuse collections in his words.
Now we have Morrell saying the same thing & that's Williams has lied to us & the Council.
yet you come on here & blame Royston for wasting money?
I still remember Anti Royston posts saying he'd staged the shootings on the sub as a PR stunt?
You will all look so stupid when fortnightly collections take place & council tax rocket & we're all paying more for less & those workers pay are not restored.
Labours witch hunt of Hunt failed wasted Parliaments time even though at Levenson he showed he did everything by the book at least he was telling the truth unlike Williams.
Seems to me a lot of the Anti Royston posters on here seem to have forgotten what they've posted in the past? When Royston & the Tory council said the safest way to save jobs is to cut pay for the better off council workers they called him a liar. When Williams did a press interview in which he stated there would be improved working practices nothing was said. Then another press interview & he said 1-10 refuse jobs to go & fortnightly collections. Hurried meeting of the Labour party & surprise,surprise the Echo lied he never said that sound familiar? Then before let's say it again BEFORE the elections Barnes - Andrews resigns fro the shadow cabinet because Willams was lying about refuse collections in his words. Now we have Morrell saying the same thing & that's Williams has lied to us & the Council. yet you come on here & blame Royston for wasting money? I still remember Anti Royston posts saying he'd staged the shootings on the sub as a PR stunt? You will all look so stupid when fortnightly collections take place & council tax rocket & we're all paying more for less & those workers pay are not restored. Labours witch hunt of Hunt failed wasted Parliaments time even though at Levenson he showed he did everything by the book at least he was telling the truth unlike Williams. loosehead
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10:40pm Fri 15 Jun 12

mrblunt says...

Come on Echo, this is the same story that appeared earlier this week. Is there no other news.
The 'tit for tat' comments are also the same.
About time they all started to work for the enhancement and to improve of Southampton, and not self promotion !!
Come on Echo, this is the same story that appeared earlier this week. Is there no other news. The 'tit for tat' comments are also the same. About time they all started to work for the enhancement and to improve of Southampton, and not self promotion !! mrblunt
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11:56pm Fri 15 Jun 12

OceansofRed says...

There's an awful lot of hypocrisy from labour supporters on here.

The labour party nationally are obsessed with Jeremy Hunt. Is week at PMQs their leader asked nothing about the Eurozone crisis.

Locally the first council meeting Labour were in control, the Tories asked questions about policies and the Labour people on here complained.

Now when there is an issue of trust in the leader of the council they don't like the questions either. But of course it's perfectly acceptable to do this nationally!

If you are going to go down the holier than thou route like you are nationally you can't be surprised when others ask probing questions of you.

I dont see why the labour robots on here are so worried, they keep saying Cllr Williams didn't lie so once that is proved in public what's the problem?
There's an awful lot of hypocrisy from labour supporters on here. The labour party nationally are obsessed with Jeremy Hunt. Is week at PMQs their leader asked nothing about the Eurozone crisis. Locally the first council meeting Labour were in control, the Tories asked questions about policies and the Labour people on here complained. Now when there is an issue of trust in the leader of the council they don't like the questions either. But of course it's perfectly acceptable to do this nationally! If you are going to go down the holier than thou route like you are nationally you can't be surprised when others ask probing questions of you. I dont see why the labour robots on here are so worried, they keep saying Cllr Williams didn't lie so once that is proved in public what's the problem? OceansofRed
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9:39am Sat 16 Jun 12

Linesman says...

OceansofRed wrote:
There's an awful lot of hypocrisy from labour supporters on here.

The labour party nationally are obsessed with Jeremy Hunt. Is week at PMQs their leader asked nothing about the Eurozone crisis.

Locally the first council meeting Labour were in control, the Tories asked questions about policies and the Labour people on here complained.

Now when there is an issue of trust in the leader of the council they don't like the questions either. But of course it's perfectly acceptable to do this nationally!

If you are going to go down the holier than thou route like you are nationally you can't be surprised when others ask probing questions of you.

I dont see why the labour robots on here are so worried, they keep saying Cllr Williams didn't lie so once that is proved in public what's the problem?
There is a great deal of difference in the two cases.

With one, it is claimed that National issues were involved and that the electorate were being influenced by a foreigner.

In this case, it is an internal dispute within the party that was elected to run the City Council.
[quote][p][bold]OceansofRed[/bold] wrote: There's an awful lot of hypocrisy from labour supporters on here. The labour party nationally are obsessed with Jeremy Hunt. Is week at PMQs their leader asked nothing about the Eurozone crisis. Locally the first council meeting Labour were in control, the Tories asked questions about policies and the Labour people on here complained. Now when there is an issue of trust in the leader of the council they don't like the questions either. But of course it's perfectly acceptable to do this nationally! If you are going to go down the holier than thou route like you are nationally you can't be surprised when others ask probing questions of you. I dont see why the labour robots on here are so worried, they keep saying Cllr Williams didn't lie so once that is proved in public what's the problem?[/p][/quote]There is a great deal of difference in the two cases. With one, it is claimed that National issues were involved and that the electorate were being influenced by a foreigner. In this case, it is an internal dispute within the party that was elected to run the City Council. Linesman
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11:10am Sat 16 Jun 12

aldermoorboy says...

Linesman lying is not correct in public office. Honourable people resign, will Labour prove to be honourable?
Denham and Whitehead are very quite on this subject, very strange.
Linesman lying is not correct in public office. Honourable people resign, will Labour prove to be honourable? Denham and Whitehead are very quite on this subject, very strange. aldermoorboy
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2:23pm Sat 16 Jun 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Linesman lying is not correct in public office. Honourable people resign, will Labour prove to be honourable?
Denham and Whitehead are very quite on this subject, very strange.
quite?
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Linesman lying is not correct in public office. Honourable people resign, will Labour prove to be honourable? Denham and Whitehead are very quite on this subject, very strange.[/p][/quote]quite? OSPREYSAINT
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4:09pm Sat 16 Jun 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

NuLabour will do in Southampton exactly what Tories did in House of Commons over Hunt
.
Tribal behaviour of political class where majority membership is misused by whips to undermine the true facts is contributing towards eroding ordinary decent people's faith in our democracy
.
In the process of transforming from a socialist party to voice of bankers big bussiness and the bosses NuLabour has also done away with basic principles of socialism, that public platform should only be used for telling the truth
.
While I as a socialist am never going to have sympathy for Tories, for the same reason (basic value of socialism) I must also not only respect their rights but also give credit when due
.
Tories are well within their rights to call this meeting, if they had not done that they would have failed in their responsibility as opposition in Council
.
As Cllr. Morell has already admitted that he agreed to lie with NuLabour's 'Dear Leader' but only changed his mind not because of any commitment to honesty in public office but because of concerns of his own friends, he has become a self confessed LIAR
.
Considering on top of that within his party he has already got record of saying one thing and doing the opposite, why on earth Labour Party has so far failed to kick him out?
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Could it be that they are scared that if thrown out, with inside knowledge he may spill their beans?
.
YES at this meeting NuLabour will survive, but those who believe in honesty in public life should not let them get away with this shameful scandal and campaign till our Council stops sheltering liars and starts being honest in its statements and learns to respect freedom of the press
.
Such a campaign can be run by all those who are willing to unite for this purpose beyond political boundaries for saving our democracy from self serving hypocrites and liars, which ever side disgraceful people like Cllr. Keith Morrell may come from.
NuLabour will do in Southampton exactly what Tories did in House of Commons over Hunt . Tribal behaviour of political class where majority membership is misused by whips to undermine the true facts is contributing towards eroding ordinary decent people's faith in our democracy . In the process of transforming from a socialist party to voice of bankers big bussiness and the bosses NuLabour has also done away with basic principles of socialism, that public platform should only be used for telling the truth . While I as a socialist am never going to have sympathy for Tories, for the same reason (basic value of socialism) I must also not only respect their rights but also give credit when due . Tories are well within their rights to call this meeting, if they had not done that they would have failed in their responsibility as opposition in Council . As Cllr. Morell has already admitted that he agreed to lie with NuLabour's 'Dear Leader' but only changed his mind not because of any commitment to honesty in public office but because of concerns of his own friends, he has become a self confessed LIAR . Considering on top of that within his party he has already got record of saying one thing and doing the opposite, why on earth Labour Party has so far failed to kick him out? . Could it be that they are scared that if thrown out, with inside knowledge he may spill their beans? . YES at this meeting NuLabour will survive, but those who believe in honesty in public life should not let them get away with this shameful scandal and campaign till our Council stops sheltering liars and starts being honest in its statements and learns to respect freedom of the press . Such a campaign can be run by all those who are willing to unite for this purpose beyond political boundaries for saving our democracy from self serving hypocrites and liars, which ever side disgraceful people like Cllr. Keith Morrell may come from. Paramjit Bahia
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4:40pm Sat 16 Jun 12

aldermoorboy says...

Paramjit I agree 100% on what you say about honesty. Lets hope we get some at that meeting. Have a good evening.
Paramjit I agree 100% on what you say about honesty. Lets hope we get some at that meeting. Have a good evening. aldermoorboy
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6:46pm Sat 16 Jun 12

OceansofRed says...

I agree also and id point it that if this was the Tories or lib dems or even independents I would feel the same.
I agree also and id point it that if this was the Tories or lib dems or even independents I would feel the same. OceansofRed
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7:04pm Sat 16 Jun 12

IronLady2010 says...

Just get the meeting over with so we can restore faith in our Council and get on with working to improve the City.

At least with Royston he tackled issues head on and didn't care about the abuse he received. We lost a good leader, but now have to place our trust in this wish wash Council.

Let's hope we can move on and continue with the great efforts of the past few years.

No matter who is running the Council, can we just continue with the improvements please.
Just get the meeting over with so we can restore faith in our Council and get on with working to improve the City. At least with Royston he tackled issues head on and didn't care about the abuse he received. We lost a good leader, but now have to place our trust in this wish wash Council. Let's hope we can move on and continue with the great efforts of the past few years. No matter who is running the Council, can we just continue with the improvements please. IronLady2010
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6:10pm Mon 18 Jun 12

RICK ALLANACH. says...

There's one big difference between the Southampton Labour party and the Conservatives.

The Conservatives have all along said there would have to be cuts. They were decent and honest enough with the electorate. They also managed to keep front line services by asking for a modest pay cut, thus saving jobs at a time of austerity.

Labour on the other hand lied to the electorate.

Anyone with an ounce of common sense knew this before the elections and that included the Trade Unions.

Labour are only ever good at one thing and that is preying on the poor and ill educated.
There's one big difference between the Southampton Labour party and the Conservatives. The Conservatives have all along said there would have to be cuts. They were decent and honest enough with the electorate. They also managed to keep front line services by asking for a modest pay cut, thus saving jobs at a time of austerity. Labour on the other hand lied to the electorate. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knew this before the elections and that included the Trade Unions. Labour are only ever good at one thing and that is preying on the poor and ill educated. RICK ALLANACH.
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9:14pm Mon 18 Jun 12

loosehead says...

RICK ALLANACH. wrote:
There's one big difference between the Southampton Labour party and the Conservatives.

The Conservatives have all along said there would have to be cuts. They were decent and honest enough with the electorate. They also managed to keep front line services by asking for a modest pay cut, thus saving jobs at a time of austerity.

Labour on the other hand lied to the electorate.

Anyone with an ounce of common sense knew this before the elections and that included the Trade Unions.

Labour are only ever good at one thing and that is preying on the poor and ill educated.
The truth is people have had it drilled into their heads Labours for the working class & the Tories are for the rich so if your working class & vote Tory your vilified & called Tory scum I get it from my own family.
Yet they don't seem to know how to answer when you ask them how someone on the social is financially better off than them when they work?
Then they blindly vote Labour instead of voting for the party that would be best for city or country.
These people aren't unintelligent but for some reason they just can't accept they're wrong
[quote][p][bold]RICK ALLANACH.[/bold] wrote: There's one big difference between the Southampton Labour party and the Conservatives. The Conservatives have all along said there would have to be cuts. They were decent and honest enough with the electorate. They also managed to keep front line services by asking for a modest pay cut, thus saving jobs at a time of austerity. Labour on the other hand lied to the electorate. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knew this before the elections and that included the Trade Unions. Labour are only ever good at one thing and that is preying on the poor and ill educated.[/p][/quote]The truth is people have had it drilled into their heads Labours for the working class & the Tories are for the rich so if your working class & vote Tory your vilified & called Tory scum I get it from my own family. Yet they don't seem to know how to answer when you ask them how someone on the social is financially better off than them when they work? Then they blindly vote Labour instead of voting for the party that would be best for city or country. These people aren't unintelligent but for some reason they just can't accept they're wrong loosehead
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