Southampton City Council leader Richard Williams survives vote of no confidence

Southampton City Council leader Richard Williams.

Southampton City Council leader Richard Williams.

First published in Politics Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Politics and business reporter

THE leader of Southampton City Council last night survived a motion of no confidence following claims that he knowingly misled the public over the resignation of a Cabinet member.

Conservatives called an extraordinary council meeting to try to remove Labour’s Richard Williams from office for allegedly bringing the council into disrepute.

But his party colleagues stood by their leader and voted down the motion.

Cllr Williams failed to answer the claims that he misled the public over the real reasons for the sudden resignation of his efficiency tsar, just two weeks into the job, to avoid political embarrassment.

In a council statement, Cllr Williams had said that Cllr Keith Morrell had quit for health reasons.

Cllr Morrell later admitted it was a “fiction” cooked up to avert a damaging public Cabinet split after he had personally told Cllr Williams he was resigning as he could not defend looming cuts and savings.

Last night, Cllr Williams acknowledged “mistakes were made in the way this issue was handled, especially with respect to its communication”, adding “actions have already taken place to ensure that communication procedures have been improved”.

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He added that the content of the council statement was based upon information from “a number of third parties and produced in good faith” but he offered nothing more.

His deputy, Cllr Jacqui Rayment, who signed off the statement for Cllr Williams, apologised for “not paying enough attention to the wording” but insisted it was “correct" at the time.

Cllr Morrell himself declined to comment on the row, saying only that his commitment to the Labour party was as strong as ever and that he looked forward to voting down the Tory motion.

Ruling Labour councillors one by one stood up to affirm their confidence in Cllr Williams and praise his abilities as an election-winning leader.

They criticised the Tories for personal attacks on Cllr Williams and said that the debate was a distraction from the business of running the council.

Conservative councillors insisted that the trustworthiness and integrity of the council leader was of public importance.

Tory opposition leader Royston Smith told Labour councillors that by voting against the motion they had publicly branded Cllr Morrell a liar.

He revealed that Cllr Williams had already tried to sue him for calling him a “hypocrite” in a newspaper article.

Councillor John Hannides said that the special meeting was unprecedented in 20 years and said Cllr Williams’ response was “repugnant and insulting”.

He said that Cllr Williams had made no attempt to address the “serious allegations” and questioned whether he took the office of leader seriously.

Liberal Democrat group leader Adrian Vinson, whose party abstained from voting, said that the row raised questions over whether Cllr Williams had the “ability to make the right judgement calls under pressure”.

Cllr Williams was unavailable for further comment following the debate.

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12:00pm Tue 26 Jun 12

Shoong says...

'But his party colleagues stood by their leader and voted down the motion.'

Well, no spit.

I can't help wonder if this decision was reached by his colleagues for the good of the Council and therefore the people it is tasked to serve or out of fear of being pushed out.
Maybe they were threatened with Sick Leave.

Well, I say I wonder but I think know really...
'But his party colleagues stood by their leader and voted down the motion.' Well, no spit. I can't help wonder if this decision was reached by his colleagues for the good of the Council and therefore the people it is tasked to serve or out of fear of being pushed out. Maybe they were threatened with Sick Leave. Well, I say I wonder but I think know really... Shoong
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12:19pm Tue 26 Jun 12

ohmywell says...

Shut up Roy and yer boys. Help the police with the missing 60K from Bitterne Conservative Club.
Stones and Glass House's come to mind. ALL as bad as one another. Lets wait for all the trolls to come on here and say how marvellous each party is.
Shut up Roy and yer boys. Help the police with the missing 60K from Bitterne Conservative Club. Stones and Glass House's come to mind. ALL as bad as one another. Lets wait for all the trolls to come on here and say how marvellous each party is. ohmywell
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12:43pm Tue 26 Jun 12

George4th says...

Shoong wrote:
'But his party colleagues stood by their leader and voted down the motion.'

Well, no spit.

I can't help wonder if this decision was reached by his colleagues for the good of the Council and therefore the people it is tasked to serve or out of fear of being pushed out.
Maybe they were threatened with Sick Leave.

Well, I say I wonder but I think know really...
"I can't help wonder if this decision was reached by his colleagues for the good of the Council "

No. It was reached for the good of themselves! They voted for a man who gave NO explanation of his actions!! Williams issued the Statement and Rayment signed it off!! How daft is that?! He's blaming a so called "third party" and his deputy who signed it off says she didn't read it properly! Nothing about Morrell running for the hills or why he ran for the hills.
It's a shambles and heaven forbid, these clowns will be running our City for the next two years! Start praying now!
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: 'But his party colleagues stood by their leader and voted down the motion.' Well, no spit. I can't help wonder if this decision was reached by his colleagues for the good of the Council and therefore the people it is tasked to serve or out of fear of being pushed out. Maybe they were threatened with Sick Leave. Well, I say I wonder but I think know really...[/p][/quote]"I can't help wonder if this decision was reached by his colleagues for the good of the Council " No. It was reached for the good of themselves! They voted for a man who gave NO explanation of his actions!! Williams issued the Statement and Rayment signed it off!! How daft is that?! He's blaming a so called "third party" and his deputy who signed it off says she didn't read it properly! Nothing about Morrell running for the hills or why he ran for the hills. It's a shambles and heaven forbid, these clowns will be running our City for the next two years! Start praying now! George4th
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12:52pm Tue 26 Jun 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process
How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process OSPREYSAINT
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12:59pm Tue 26 Jun 12

HillsidePaul says...

Well what a waste of time and money that was. As everyone (apart from Royston) knew it would be.
Well what a waste of time and money that was. As everyone (apart from Royston) knew it would be. HillsidePaul
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1:17pm Tue 26 Jun 12

Lone Ranger. says...

More money wasted by Smith and his mob.
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This was only ever in the interest of Smith and the Tories and not for the residents of this City.
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And as regards the gall of Hannides saying .... Quote:-... .... Cllr Williams’ response was “repugnant and insulting”. .......... Well so was your handling of the Spitfire Monument and the Sea Museum ..... ..... People who live in Glass Houses Councillor ................
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Now perhaps Williams will be allowed to get on and run the Council without the pathetic losers of the failed Tory party continually sh*t stirring.
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In addition perhaps the Echo could resist in contiually giving the failed ex leader and open platform to spout from
More money wasted by Smith and his mob. . This was only ever in the interest of Smith and the Tories and not for the residents of this City. . And as regards the gall of Hannides saying .... Quote:-... .... Cllr Williams’ response was “repugnant and insulting”. .......... Well so was your handling of the Spitfire Monument and the Sea Museum ..... ..... People who live in Glass Houses Councillor ................ . Now perhaps Williams will be allowed to get on and run the Council without the pathetic losers of the failed Tory party continually sh*t stirring. . . In addition perhaps the Echo could resist in contiually giving the failed ex leader and open platform to spout from Lone Ranger.
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1:33pm Tue 26 Jun 12

George4th says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process
Look around you at the successful councils outside of Southampton in Hampshire, Dorset, Sussex etc and ask yourself one question: Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process[/p][/quote]Look around you at the successful councils outside of Southampton in Hampshire, Dorset, Sussex etc and ask yourself one question: Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?! George4th
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2:26pm Tue 26 Jun 12

Shoong says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process
So what you are proposing is letting them get away with it..? Just sweep it under the carpet?

If Councillor Williams did lie, what has that got to do with the previous incumbents? How did the previous Conservative council influence him into telling an alleged lie?

We aren't talking about a number of them. This is about Williams and an alleged deception of the electorate. They need time to bed in? So they are bunch of amateurs learning on the job then? Blimey, that doesn't bode well does it?

Why are you making excuses for them? Vote for them by any chance ..? ;)
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process[/p][/quote]So what you are proposing is letting them get away with it..? Just sweep it under the carpet? If Councillor Williams did lie, what has that got to do with the previous incumbents? How did the previous Conservative council influence him into telling an alleged lie? We aren't talking about a number of them. This is about Williams and an alleged deception of the electorate. They need time to bed in? So they are bunch of amateurs learning on the job then? Blimey, that doesn't bode well does it? Why are you making excuses for them? Vote for them by any chance ..? ;) Shoong
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2:29pm Tue 26 Jun 12

Shoong says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
More money wasted by Smith and his mob.
.
This was only ever in the interest of Smith and the Tories and not for the residents of this City.
.
And as regards the gall of Hannides saying .... Quote:-... .... Cllr Williams’ response was “repugnant and insulting”. .......... Well so was your handling of the Spitfire Monument and the Sea Museum ..... ..... People who live in Glass Houses Councillor ................
.
Now perhaps Williams will be allowed to get on and run the Council without the pathetic losers of the failed Tory party continually sh*t stirring.
.
.
In addition perhaps the Echo could resist in contiually giving the failed ex leader and open platform to spout from
'This was only ever in the interest of Smith and the Tories and not for the residents of this City. . .'

So when his party colleagues were rejecting the Vote of No Confidence, of course, they had the good of the people of Southampton at the forefront of their minds didn't they?

Give over.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: More money wasted by Smith and his mob. . This was only ever in the interest of Smith and the Tories and not for the residents of this City. . And as regards the gall of Hannides saying .... Quote:-... .... Cllr Williams’ response was “repugnant and insulting”. .......... Well so was your handling of the Spitfire Monument and the Sea Museum ..... ..... People who live in Glass Houses Councillor ................ . Now perhaps Williams will be allowed to get on and run the Council without the pathetic losers of the failed Tory party continually sh*t stirring. . . In addition perhaps the Echo could resist in contiually giving the failed ex leader and open platform to spout from[/p][/quote]'This was only ever in the interest of Smith and the Tories and not for the residents of this City. . .' So when his party colleagues were rejecting the Vote of No Confidence, of course, they had the good of the people of Southampton at the forefront of their minds didn't they? Give over. Shoong
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3:11pm Tue 26 Jun 12

Linesman says...

George4th wrote:
Shoong wrote:
'But his party colleagues stood by their leader and voted down the motion.'

Well, no spit.

I can't help wonder if this decision was reached by his colleagues for the good of the Council and therefore the people it is tasked to serve or out of fear of being pushed out.
Maybe they were threatened with Sick Leave.

Well, I say I wonder but I think know really...
"I can't help wonder if this decision was reached by his colleagues for the good of the Council "

No. It was reached for the good of themselves! They voted for a man who gave NO explanation of his actions!! Williams issued the Statement and Rayment signed it off!! How daft is that?! He's blaming a so called "third party" and his deputy who signed it off says she didn't read it properly! Nothing about Morrell running for the hills or why he ran for the hills.
It's a shambles and heaven forbid, these clowns will be running our City for the next two years! Start praying now!
As it was purely an internal matter for the Labour administration, why the hell should they give any explanations to Royston Smith?

If Royston Smith were a competent person who was more interested in what was good for the city, instead of trying to score cheap political points, he would not have called for a vote of no confidence, that he knew he would lose, and instead have used the time for the betterment of the City.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: 'But his party colleagues stood by their leader and voted down the motion.' Well, no spit. I can't help wonder if this decision was reached by his colleagues for the good of the Council and therefore the people it is tasked to serve or out of fear of being pushed out. Maybe they were threatened with Sick Leave. Well, I say I wonder but I think know really...[/p][/quote]"I can't help wonder if this decision was reached by his colleagues for the good of the Council " No. It was reached for the good of themselves! They voted for a man who gave NO explanation of his actions!! Williams issued the Statement and Rayment signed it off!! How daft is that?! He's blaming a so called "third party" and his deputy who signed it off says she didn't read it properly! Nothing about Morrell running for the hills or why he ran for the hills. It's a shambles and heaven forbid, these clowns will be running our City for the next two years! Start praying now![/p][/quote]As it was purely an internal matter for the Labour administration, why the hell should they give any explanations to Royston Smith? If Royston Smith were a competent person who was more interested in what was good for the city, instead of trying to score cheap political points, he would not have called for a vote of no confidence, that he knew he would lose, and instead have used the time for the betterment of the City. Linesman
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3:20pm Tue 26 Jun 12

sottondave says...

Yesterday in the council chamber the Tories looked a bit lost. They went through the motions with their usual over the top vitriol, exaggeration, name calling, insults and hysteria and it failed.
Many of their backbenchers looked bored and did not join in with the Tory front bench clapping. Does Royston Smith have the confidence of his own group. Maybe he should have a confidence motion in his group
Yesterday in the council chamber the Tories looked a bit lost. They went through the motions with their usual over the top vitriol, exaggeration, name calling, insults and hysteria and it failed. Many of their backbenchers looked bored and did not join in with the Tory front bench clapping. Does Royston Smith have the confidence of his own group. Maybe he should have a confidence motion in his group sottondave
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3:23pm Tue 26 Jun 12

Over the Edge says...

George4th wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process
Look around you at the successful councils outside of Southampton in Hampshire, Dorset, Sussex etc and ask yourself one question: Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?!
You spouted the same sh1t before the election in May George4th, no one listened then, so why do you think anyone will listen to you now.

Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, no Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston.

Apart from getting elected as councillor in the first place, Royston has not won any election personally and lead his party to a crushing defeat, to me this sort of says something about him more than the Tories in general.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process[/p][/quote]Look around you at the successful councils outside of Southampton in Hampshire, Dorset, Sussex etc and ask yourself one question: Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?![/p][/quote]You spouted the same sh1t before the election in May George4th, no one listened then, so why do you think anyone will listen to you now. Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, no Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston. Apart from getting elected as councillor in the first place, Royston has not won any election personally and lead his party to a crushing defeat, to me this sort of says something about him more than the Tories in general. Over the Edge
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3:27pm Tue 26 Jun 12

Over the Edge says...

@George4th

You spouted the same sh1t before the election in May George4th, no one listened then, so why do you think anyone will listen to you now.

Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston.

Apart from getting elected as councillor in the first place, Royston has not won any election personally and lead his party to a crushing defeat, to me this sort of says something about him more than the Tories in general.
@George4th You spouted the same sh1t before the election in May George4th, no one listened then, so why do you think anyone will listen to you now. Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston. Apart from getting elected as councillor in the first place, Royston has not won any election personally and lead his party to a crushing defeat, to me this sort of says something about him more than the Tories in general. Over the Edge
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3:29pm Tue 26 Jun 12

Shoong says...

Over the Edge wrote:
George4th wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process
Look around you at the successful councils outside of Southampton in Hampshire, Dorset, Sussex etc and ask yourself one question: Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?!
You spouted the same sh1t before the election in May George4th, no one listened then, so why do you think anyone will listen to you now.

Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, no Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston.

Apart from getting elected as councillor in the first place, Royston has not won any election personally and lead his party to a crushing defeat, to me this sort of says something about him more than the Tories in general.
'Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, no Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston.'

Absolutely correct. Absolutely nothing should have been done, what your essentially saying is that MPs that you support should be given free reign and not come under scrutiny from peers when a ex-colleague accuses the council leader of misleading the electorate.

It's ok to deceive the electorate then, as long as it's the party you voted for.
[quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process[/p][/quote]Look around you at the successful councils outside of Southampton in Hampshire, Dorset, Sussex etc and ask yourself one question: Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?![/p][/quote]You spouted the same sh1t before the election in May George4th, no one listened then, so why do you think anyone will listen to you now. Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, no Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston. Apart from getting elected as councillor in the first place, Royston has not won any election personally and lead his party to a crushing defeat, to me this sort of says something about him more than the Tories in general.[/p][/quote]'Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, no Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston.' Absolutely correct. Absolutely nothing should have been done, what your essentially saying is that MPs that you support should be given free reign and not come under scrutiny from peers when a ex-colleague accuses the council leader of misleading the electorate. It's ok to deceive the electorate then, as long as it's the party you voted for. Shoong
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3:36pm Tue 26 Jun 12

mrblunt says...

You couldn't make it up.
What a total waste of time and money.
Now perhaps everyone will get on and make Southampton a cleaner and better place for the residents.
Have you see the accumulation of litter in Thornhill Estate.
Shame on the litter louts.!! Shame on the Council for the cuts in the street cleaning teams around the City!!
You couldn't make it up. What a total waste of time and money. Now perhaps everyone will get on and make Southampton a cleaner and better place for the residents. Have you see the accumulation of litter in Thornhill Estate. Shame on the litter louts.!! Shame on the Council for the cuts in the street cleaning teams around the City!! mrblunt
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3:59pm Tue 26 Jun 12

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process
Osprey Williams said great let's get it out in the open when the Tories asked for this .
yet he hasn't said a **** thing .he hasn't told us who lied who told the truth?
was it him or Barnes Andrews? was it him or Morrell?
& Jacqui Raynor signs of a statement she doesn't even verify?
is this Labour council that much under Williams control?
Sign it or else?
This was a whitewash by the Labour Party is this the party we trust?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process[/p][/quote]Osprey Williams said great let's get it out in the open when the Tories asked for this . yet he hasn't said a **** thing .he hasn't told us who lied who told the truth? was it him or Barnes Andrews? was it him or Morrell? & Jacqui Raynor signs of a statement she doesn't even verify? is this Labour council that much under Williams control? Sign it or else? This was a whitewash by the Labour Party is this the party we trust? loosehead
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4:05pm Tue 26 Jun 12

loosehead says...

sottondave wrote:
Yesterday in the council chamber the Tories looked a bit lost. They went through the motions with their usual over the top vitriol, exaggeration, name calling, insults and hysteria and it failed.
Many of their backbenchers looked bored and did not join in with the Tory front bench clapping. Does Royston Smith have the confidence of his own group. Maybe he should have a confidence motion in his group
You should be ashamed to call yourself a representative of the people of this city.
Your leader had the chance of telling the truth but instead you all closed ranks & have allowed us the people to be lied to by your leader are you that scared of him?
why did they gag you?
For you to criticise the tories is a laugh at least they're not all sheep following the shepherd lying leader Williams.
So now your party has made out that Barnes Andrews & Morrell are liars or are you saying Williams is a liar Raynor is his stooge & we'd rather follow a liar than get rid of him?
[quote][p][bold]sottondave[/bold] wrote: Yesterday in the council chamber the Tories looked a bit lost. They went through the motions with their usual over the top vitriol, exaggeration, name calling, insults and hysteria and it failed. Many of their backbenchers looked bored and did not join in with the Tory front bench clapping. Does Royston Smith have the confidence of his own group. Maybe he should have a confidence motion in his group[/p][/quote]You should be ashamed to call yourself a representative of the people of this city. Your leader had the chance of telling the truth but instead you all closed ranks & have allowed us the people to be lied to by your leader are you that scared of him? why did they gag you? For you to criticise the tories is a laugh at least they're not all sheep following the shepherd lying leader Williams. So now your party has made out that Barnes Andrews & Morrell are liars or are you saying Williams is a liar Raynor is his stooge & we'd rather follow a liar than get rid of him? loosehead
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4:08pm Tue 26 Jun 12

loosehead says...

Over the Edge wrote:
@George4th

You spouted the same sh1t before the election in May George4th, no one listened then, so why do you think anyone will listen to you now.

Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston.

Apart from getting elected as councillor in the first place, Royston has not won any election personally and lead his party to a crushing defeat, to me this sort of says something about him more than the Tories in general.
So you believe the sh*t & lies that liar Williams spouted before the local elections then?
do you ever open your eyes? can you think for yourself or do you follow blindly & vote Labour?
[quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: @George4th You spouted the same sh1t before the election in May George4th, no one listened then, so why do you think anyone will listen to you now. Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston. Apart from getting elected as councillor in the first place, Royston has not won any election personally and lead his party to a crushing defeat, to me this sort of says something about him more than the Tories in general.[/p][/quote]So you believe the sh*t & lies that liar Williams spouted before the local elections then? do you ever open your eyes? can you think for yourself or do you follow blindly & vote Labour? loosehead
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4:12pm Tue 26 Jun 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Shoong wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process
So what you are proposing is letting them get away with it..? Just sweep it under the carpet?

If Councillor Williams did lie, what has that got to do with the previous incumbents? How did the previous Conservative council influence him into telling an alleged lie?

We aren't talking about a number of them. This is about Williams and an alleged deception of the electorate. They need time to bed in? So they are bunch of amateurs learning on the job then? Blimey, that doesn't bode well does it?

Why are you making excuses for them? Vote for them by any chance ..? ;)
Yes, I voted for them OK? That's my democratic right OK? That's why am standing up for them against the bullying obnoxious bunch of twerps that keep posting the same old nonsense, it's time for a change, the Tories were kicked out, I don't need to explain why or justify my opinions to you.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process[/p][/quote]So what you are proposing is letting them get away with it..? Just sweep it under the carpet? If Councillor Williams did lie, what has that got to do with the previous incumbents? How did the previous Conservative council influence him into telling an alleged lie? We aren't talking about a number of them. This is about Williams and an alleged deception of the electorate. They need time to bed in? So they are bunch of amateurs learning on the job then? Blimey, that doesn't bode well does it? Why are you making excuses for them? Vote for them by any chance ..? ;)[/p][/quote]Yes, I voted for them OK? That's my democratic right OK? That's why am standing up for them against the bullying obnoxious bunch of twerps that keep posting the same old nonsense, it's time for a change, the Tories were kicked out, I don't need to explain why or justify my opinions to you. OSPREYSAINT
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4:29pm Tue 26 Jun 12

Over the Edge says...

Shoong wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
George4th wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process
Look around you at the successful councils outside of Southampton in Hampshire, Dorset, Sussex etc and ask yourself one question: Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?!
You spouted the same sh1t before the election in May George4th, no one listened then, so why do you think anyone will listen to you now.

Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, no Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston.

Apart from getting elected as councillor in the first place, Royston has not won any election personally and lead his party to a crushing defeat, to me this sort of says something about him more than the Tories in general.
'Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, no Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston.'

Absolutely correct. Absolutely nothing should have been done, what your essentially saying is that MPs that you support should be given free reign and not come under scrutiny from peers when a ex-colleague accuses the council leader of misleading the electorate.

It's ok to deceive the electorate then, as long as it's the party you voted for.
What I'm saying is, calling for vote of no confidence is ridicules, a waste of time, the Labour councillors were never going to in favour of the Tories motion.

By the way these are local councillor not MP's.

If Tories want to talk about lies and deceit, Sea City being paid for by private investment, the building GS1 being paid for by Capita.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process[/p][/quote]Look around you at the successful councils outside of Southampton in Hampshire, Dorset, Sussex etc and ask yourself one question: Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?![/p][/quote]You spouted the same sh1t before the election in May George4th, no one listened then, so why do you think anyone will listen to you now. Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, no Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston. Apart from getting elected as councillor in the first place, Royston has not won any election personally and lead his party to a crushing defeat, to me this sort of says something about him more than the Tories in general.[/p][/quote]'Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, no Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston.' Absolutely correct. Absolutely nothing should have been done, what your essentially saying is that MPs that you support should be given free reign and not come under scrutiny from peers when a ex-colleague accuses the council leader of misleading the electorate. It's ok to deceive the electorate then, as long as it's the party you voted for.[/p][/quote]What I'm saying is, calling for vote of no confidence is ridicules, a waste of time, the Labour councillors were never going to in favour of the Tories motion. By the way these are local councillor not MP's. If Tories want to talk about lies and deceit, Sea City being paid for by private investment, the building GS1 being paid for by Capita. Over the Edge
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4:30pm Tue 26 Jun 12

sottondave says...

loosehead wrote:
sottondave wrote: Yesterday in the council chamber the Tories looked a bit lost. They went through the motions with their usual over the top vitriol, exaggeration, name calling, insults and hysteria and it failed. Many of their backbenchers looked bored and did not join in with the Tory front bench clapping. Does Royston Smith have the confidence of his own group. Maybe he should have a confidence motion in his group
You should be ashamed to call yourself a representative of the people of this city. Your leader had the chance of telling the truth but instead you all closed ranks & have allowed us the people to be lied to by your leader are you that scared of him? why did they gag you? For you to criticise the tories is a laugh at least they're not all sheep following the shepherd lying leader Williams. So now your party has made out that Barnes Andrews & Morrell are liars or are you saying Williams is a liar Raynor is his stooge & we'd rather follow a liar than get rid of him?
I thought my comment would wind up people like you.
Labour councillors have not had a single person contact us regarding this issue. As usual the local Tories are talking about things which only they want to talk about and they are completely out of touch with public opinion. How many defeats and humiliation do you have to suffer before you change your tune.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sottondave[/bold] wrote: Yesterday in the council chamber the Tories looked a bit lost. They went through the motions with their usual over the top vitriol, exaggeration, name calling, insults and hysteria and it failed. Many of their backbenchers looked bored and did not join in with the Tory front bench clapping. Does Royston Smith have the confidence of his own group. Maybe he should have a confidence motion in his group[/p][/quote]You should be ashamed to call yourself a representative of the people of this city. Your leader had the chance of telling the truth but instead you all closed ranks & have allowed us the people to be lied to by your leader are you that scared of him? why did they gag you? For you to criticise the tories is a laugh at least they're not all sheep following the shepherd lying leader Williams. So now your party has made out that Barnes Andrews & Morrell are liars or are you saying Williams is a liar Raynor is his stooge & we'd rather follow a liar than get rid of him?[/p][/quote]I thought my comment would wind up people like you. Labour councillors have not had a single person contact us regarding this issue. As usual the local Tories are talking about things which only they want to talk about and they are completely out of touch with public opinion. How many defeats and humiliation do you have to suffer before you change your tune. sottondave
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4:37pm Tue 26 Jun 12

Shoong says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Shoong wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process
So what you are proposing is letting them get away with it..? Just sweep it under the carpet?

If Councillor Williams did lie, what has that got to do with the previous incumbents? How did the previous Conservative council influence him into telling an alleged lie?

We aren't talking about a number of them. This is about Williams and an alleged deception of the electorate. They need time to bed in? So they are bunch of amateurs learning on the job then? Blimey, that doesn't bode well does it?

Why are you making excuses for them? Vote for them by any chance ..? ;)
Yes, I voted for them OK? That's my democratic right OK? That's why am standing up for them against the bullying obnoxious bunch of twerps that keep posting the same old nonsense, it's time for a change, the Tories were kicked out, I don't need to explain why or justify my opinions to you.
I'm not expecting an explanation or a justification into your double standards, that's always difficult for anyone to explain away.

'bullying obnoxious bunch of twerps'.

For some reason I can't shake the feeling that's was how history might remember Councillor Williams.

I suspect Keith Morrell does.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process[/p][/quote]So what you are proposing is letting them get away with it..? Just sweep it under the carpet? If Councillor Williams did lie, what has that got to do with the previous incumbents? How did the previous Conservative council influence him into telling an alleged lie? We aren't talking about a number of them. This is about Williams and an alleged deception of the electorate. They need time to bed in? So they are bunch of amateurs learning on the job then? Blimey, that doesn't bode well does it? Why are you making excuses for them? Vote for them by any chance ..? ;)[/p][/quote]Yes, I voted for them OK? That's my democratic right OK? That's why am standing up for them against the bullying obnoxious bunch of twerps that keep posting the same old nonsense, it's time for a change, the Tories were kicked out, I don't need to explain why or justify my opinions to you.[/p][/quote]I'm not expecting an explanation or a justification into your double standards, that's always difficult for anyone to explain away. 'bullying obnoxious bunch of twerps'. For some reason I can't shake the feeling that's was how history might remember Councillor Williams. I suspect Keith Morrell does. Shoong
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4:42pm Tue 26 Jun 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Shoong wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Shoong wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process
So what you are proposing is letting them get away with it..? Just sweep it under the carpet?

If Councillor Williams did lie, what has that got to do with the previous incumbents? How did the previous Conservative council influence him into telling an alleged lie?

We aren't talking about a number of them. This is about Williams and an alleged deception of the electorate. They need time to bed in? So they are bunch of amateurs learning on the job then? Blimey, that doesn't bode well does it?

Why are you making excuses for them? Vote for them by any chance ..? ;)
Yes, I voted for them OK? That's my democratic right OK? That's why am standing up for them against the bullying obnoxious bunch of twerps that keep posting the same old nonsense, it's time for a change, the Tories were kicked out, I don't need to explain why or justify my opinions to you.
I'm not expecting an explanation or a justification into your double standards, that's always difficult for anyone to explain away.

'bullying obnoxious bunch of twerps'.

For some reason I can't shake the feeling that's was how history might remember Councillor Williams.

I suspect Keith Morrell does.
Double standards?
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process[/p][/quote]So what you are proposing is letting them get away with it..? Just sweep it under the carpet? If Councillor Williams did lie, what has that got to do with the previous incumbents? How did the previous Conservative council influence him into telling an alleged lie? We aren't talking about a number of them. This is about Williams and an alleged deception of the electorate. They need time to bed in? So they are bunch of amateurs learning on the job then? Blimey, that doesn't bode well does it? Why are you making excuses for them? Vote for them by any chance ..? ;)[/p][/quote]Yes, I voted for them OK? That's my democratic right OK? That's why am standing up for them against the bullying obnoxious bunch of twerps that keep posting the same old nonsense, it's time for a change, the Tories were kicked out, I don't need to explain why or justify my opinions to you.[/p][/quote]I'm not expecting an explanation or a justification into your double standards, that's always difficult for anyone to explain away. 'bullying obnoxious bunch of twerps'. For some reason I can't shake the feeling that's was how history might remember Councillor Williams. I suspect Keith Morrell does.[/p][/quote]Double standards? OSPREYSAINT
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4:45pm Tue 26 Jun 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

loosehead wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
@George4th

You spouted the same sh1t before the election in May George4th, no one listened then, so why do you think anyone will listen to you now.

Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston.

Apart from getting elected as councillor in the first place, Royston has not won any election personally and lead his party to a crushing defeat, to me this sort of says something about him more than the Tories in general.
So you believe the sh*t & lies that liar Williams spouted before the local elections then?
do you ever open your eyes? can you think for yourself or do you follow blindly & vote Labour?
I make my own mind up and it is mostly the Tories that convince me not to vote for them. Royston is a good example of everything I detest about them.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: @George4th You spouted the same sh1t before the election in May George4th, no one listened then, so why do you think anyone will listen to you now. Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston. Apart from getting elected as councillor in the first place, Royston has not won any election personally and lead his party to a crushing defeat, to me this sort of says something about him more than the Tories in general.[/p][/quote]So you believe the sh*t & lies that liar Williams spouted before the local elections then? do you ever open your eyes? can you think for yourself or do you follow blindly & vote Labour?[/p][/quote]I make my own mind up and it is mostly the Tories that convince me not to vote for them. Royston is a good example of everything I detest about them. OSPREYSAINT
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4:47pm Tue 26 Jun 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process
Osprey Williams said great let's get it out in the open when the Tories asked for this .
yet he hasn't said a **** thing .he hasn't told us who lied who told the truth?
was it him or Barnes Andrews? was it him or Morrell?
& Jacqui Raynor signs of a statement she doesn't even verify?
is this Labour council that much under Williams control?
Sign it or else?
This was a whitewash by the Labour Party is this the party we trust?
That is in your opinion, I think differently.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process[/p][/quote]Osprey Williams said great let's get it out in the open when the Tories asked for this . yet he hasn't said a **** thing .he hasn't told us who lied who told the truth? was it him or Barnes Andrews? was it him or Morrell? & Jacqui Raynor signs of a statement she doesn't even verify? is this Labour council that much under Williams control? Sign it or else? This was a whitewash by the Labour Party is this the party we trust?[/p][/quote]That is in your opinion, I think differently. OSPREYSAINT
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4:49pm Tue 26 Jun 12

George4th says...

Over the Edge wrote:
George4th wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process
Look around you at the successful councils outside of Southampton in Hampshire, Dorset, Sussex etc and ask yourself one question: Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?!
You spouted the same sh1t before the election in May George4th, no one listened then, so why do you think anyone will listen to you now.

Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, no Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston.

Apart from getting elected as councillor in the first place, Royston has not won any election personally and lead his party to a crushing defeat, to me this sort of says something about him more than the Tories in general.
I see you are consistent with your foul mouth expletives.
.
Your reply might have had some substance had you answered the question "Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?"
>
Labour generally fail their voters. The best example being that they led the UK to bankruptcy twice! Not once, TWICE!
>
Only the last Labour government could have achieved the worst statistic ever - widening the gap between the have and the have nots!
[quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process[/p][/quote]Look around you at the successful councils outside of Southampton in Hampshire, Dorset, Sussex etc and ask yourself one question: Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?![/p][/quote]You spouted the same sh1t before the election in May George4th, no one listened then, so why do you think anyone will listen to you now. Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, no Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston. Apart from getting elected as councillor in the first place, Royston has not won any election personally and lead his party to a crushing defeat, to me this sort of says something about him more than the Tories in general.[/p][/quote]I see you are consistent with your foul mouth expletives. . Your reply might have had some substance had you answered the question "Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?" > Labour generally fail their voters. The best example being that they led the UK to bankruptcy twice! Not once, TWICE! > Only the last Labour government could have achieved the worst statistic ever - widening the gap between the have and the have nots! George4th
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4:53pm Tue 26 Jun 12

Portswoodfoke says...

More labour scum doing what labour does best.
More labour scum doing what labour does best. Portswoodfoke
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5:00pm Tue 26 Jun 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Portswoodfoke wrote:
More labour scum doing what labour does best.
Hopefully at your expense
[quote][p][bold]Portswoodfoke[/bold] wrote: More labour scum doing what labour does best.[/p][/quote]Hopefully at your expense OSPREYSAINT
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5:04pm Tue 26 Jun 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Shoong wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Shoong wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process
So what you are proposing is letting them get away with it..? Just sweep it under the carpet?

If Councillor Williams did lie, what has that got to do with the previous incumbents? How did the previous Conservative council influence him into telling an alleged lie?

We aren't talking about a number of them. This is about Williams and an alleged deception of the electorate. They need time to bed in? So they are bunch of amateurs learning on the job then? Blimey, that doesn't bode well does it?

Why are you making excuses for them? Vote for them by any chance ..? ;)
Yes, I voted for them OK? That's my democratic right OK? That's why am standing up for them against the bullying obnoxious bunch of twerps that keep posting the same old nonsense, it's time for a change, the Tories were kicked out, I don't need to explain why or justify my opinions to you.
I'm not expecting an explanation or a justification into your double standards, that's always difficult for anyone to explain away.

'bullying obnoxious bunch of twerps'.

For some reason I can't shake the feeling that's was how history might remember Councillor Williams.

I suspect Keith Morrell does.
Double standards?
Are we at cross purposes here, I voted Labour, how did you vote and why?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process[/p][/quote]So what you are proposing is letting them get away with it..? Just sweep it under the carpet? If Councillor Williams did lie, what has that got to do with the previous incumbents? How did the previous Conservative council influence him into telling an alleged lie? We aren't talking about a number of them. This is about Williams and an alleged deception of the electorate. They need time to bed in? So they are bunch of amateurs learning on the job then? Blimey, that doesn't bode well does it? Why are you making excuses for them? Vote for them by any chance ..? ;)[/p][/quote]Yes, I voted for them OK? That's my democratic right OK? That's why am standing up for them against the bullying obnoxious bunch of twerps that keep posting the same old nonsense, it's time for a change, the Tories were kicked out, I don't need to explain why or justify my opinions to you.[/p][/quote]I'm not expecting an explanation or a justification into your double standards, that's always difficult for anyone to explain away. 'bullying obnoxious bunch of twerps'. For some reason I can't shake the feeling that's was how history might remember Councillor Williams. I suspect Keith Morrell does.[/p][/quote]Double standards?[/p][/quote]Are we at cross purposes here, I voted Labour, how did you vote and why? OSPREYSAINT
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5:21pm Tue 26 Jun 12

OceansofRed says...

I think the main issue here is that the Labour leader of the council did not answer the questions posed.

Still the matter has gone as far as it can. It is time to move on.

I have little doubt that Cllr Williams will do something just as daft before his term is out.
I think the main issue here is that the Labour leader of the council did not answer the questions posed. Still the matter has gone as far as it can. It is time to move on. I have little doubt that Cllr Williams will do something just as daft before his term is out. OceansofRed
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5:24pm Tue 26 Jun 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Shoong wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Shoong wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process
So what you are proposing is letting them get away with it..? Just sweep it under the carpet?

If Councillor Williams did lie, what has that got to do with the previous incumbents? How did the previous Conservative council influence him into telling an alleged lie?

We aren't talking about a number of them. This is about Williams and an alleged deception of the electorate. They need time to bed in? So they are bunch of amateurs learning on the job then? Blimey, that doesn't bode well does it?

Why are you making excuses for them? Vote for them by any chance ..? ;)
Yes, I voted for them OK? That's my democratic right OK? That's why am standing up for them against the bullying obnoxious bunch of twerps that keep posting the same old nonsense, it's time for a change, the Tories were kicked out, I don't need to explain why or justify my opinions to you.
I'm not expecting an explanation or a justification into your double standards, that's always difficult for anyone to explain away.

'bullying obnoxious bunch of twerps'.

For some reason I can't shake the feeling that's was how history might remember Councillor Williams.

I suspect Keith Morrell does.
Has Keith Morrell actually complained? All I see is Press speculation and hearsay.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process[/p][/quote]So what you are proposing is letting them get away with it..? Just sweep it under the carpet? If Councillor Williams did lie, what has that got to do with the previous incumbents? How did the previous Conservative council influence him into telling an alleged lie? We aren't talking about a number of them. This is about Williams and an alleged deception of the electorate. They need time to bed in? So they are bunch of amateurs learning on the job then? Blimey, that doesn't bode well does it? Why are you making excuses for them? Vote for them by any chance ..? ;)[/p][/quote]Yes, I voted for them OK? That's my democratic right OK? That's why am standing up for them against the bullying obnoxious bunch of twerps that keep posting the same old nonsense, it's time for a change, the Tories were kicked out, I don't need to explain why or justify my opinions to you.[/p][/quote]I'm not expecting an explanation or a justification into your double standards, that's always difficult for anyone to explain away. 'bullying obnoxious bunch of twerps'. For some reason I can't shake the feeling that's was how history might remember Councillor Williams. I suspect Keith Morrell does.[/p][/quote]Has Keith Morrell actually complained? All I see is Press speculation and hearsay. OSPREYSAINT
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5:35pm Tue 26 Jun 12

RICK ALLANACH. says...

Well no surprise there then. Did the people of Southampton expect the Labour party to put our interests first and be honest with us? Off course not, they were elected on a lie and continued to do so days after entering office. Now expect even deeper cuts to our public services than would have happened under the Conservatives.
At least Royston and the Tories tried to protect front line jobs by asking for pay cuts rather than redundancy and no one to carry out the vital work.
Off course Labour are unable to do this because their pay masters the Unions have a gun to their heads.
About a third of the electorate stayed away from the local elections and let this shower of incompetent amateurs into power, something we will live to regret.
Why do you think Southampton hasn't had the wow factor for decades? The Answer is Labour have had power for most of it and have no vision of our Historic past and potential for the future.
Today was another nail in the coffin for democratic law and decency.
Well no surprise there then. Did the people of Southampton expect the Labour party to put our interests first and be honest with us? Off course not, they were elected on a lie and continued to do so days after entering office. Now expect even deeper cuts to our public services than would have happened under the Conservatives. At least Royston and the Tories tried to protect front line jobs by asking for pay cuts rather than redundancy and no one to carry out the vital work. Off course Labour are unable to do this because their pay masters the Unions have a gun to their heads. About a third of the electorate stayed away from the local elections and let this shower of incompetent amateurs into power, something we will live to regret. Why do you think Southampton hasn't had the wow factor for decades? The Answer is Labour have had power for most of it and have no vision of our Historic past and potential for the future. Today was another nail in the coffin for democratic law and decency. RICK ALLANACH.
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5:35pm Tue 26 Jun 12

George4th says...

As under Blair and Browne we see Labour blatantly lying and getting away with it!
>
Those who voted for Williams are culpable in covering up a lie - are these the people we want running our City? Would you trust them?
As under Blair and Browne we see Labour blatantly lying and getting away with it! > Those who voted for Williams are culpable in covering up a lie - are these the people we want running our City? Would you trust them? George4th
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5:43pm Tue 26 Jun 12

RICK ALLANACH. says...

Well no surprise there then. Did the people of Southampton expect the Labour party to put our interests first and be honest with us? Off course not, they were elected on a lie and continued to do so days after entering office. Now expect even deeper cuts to our public services than would have happened under the Conservatives.
At least Royston and the Tories tried to protect front line jobs by asking for pay cuts rather than redundancy and no one to carry out the vital work.
Off course Labour are unable to do this because their pay masters the Unions have a gun to their heads.
About a third of the electorate stayed away from the local elections and let this shower of incompetent amateurs into power, something we will live to regret.
Why do you think Southampton hasn't had the wow factor for decades? The Answer is Labour have had power for most of it and have no vision of our Historic past and potential for the future.
Today was another nail in the coffin for democratic law and decency.
Well no surprise there then. Did the people of Southampton expect the Labour party to put our interests first and be honest with us? Off course not, they were elected on a lie and continued to do so days after entering office. Now expect even deeper cuts to our public services than would have happened under the Conservatives. At least Royston and the Tories tried to protect front line jobs by asking for pay cuts rather than redundancy and no one to carry out the vital work. Off course Labour are unable to do this because their pay masters the Unions have a gun to their heads. About a third of the electorate stayed away from the local elections and let this shower of incompetent amateurs into power, something we will live to regret. Why do you think Southampton hasn't had the wow factor for decades? The Answer is Labour have had power for most of it and have no vision of our Historic past and potential for the future. Today was another nail in the coffin for democratic law and decency. RICK ALLANACH.
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6:01pm Tue 26 Jun 12

RICK ALLANACH. says...

Ask yourself this question.

Why were the Labour Councillors gagged from speaking to the press?

Surely in this day and age we should feel free to speak openly and honestly to the electorate!

Not when your **** for power is of more importance than the electorate that voted you in.

To the Labour voters out there who think you are now represented, just remember that poor woman (Life time Labour Voter) who was called a Bigot by Brown when daring to raise the question of mass immigration.

It's taken all this time for a desperate Millipede to admit she was right. But this is only to try and get disgruntled Labour voters back. Sleazy bunch.

At least Royston was honest with you all about the cuts, unlike Labour.
Ask yourself this question. Why were the Labour Councillors gagged from speaking to the press? Surely in this day and age we should feel free to speak openly and honestly to the electorate! Not when your **** for power is of more importance than the electorate that voted you in. To the Labour voters out there who think you are now represented, just remember that poor woman (Life time Labour Voter) who was called a Bigot by Brown when daring to raise the question of mass immigration. It's taken all this time for a desperate Millipede to admit she was right. But this is only to try and get disgruntled Labour voters back. Sleazy bunch. At least Royston was honest with you all about the cuts, unlike Labour. RICK ALLANACH.
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7:25pm Tue 26 Jun 12

aldermoorboy says...

If Labour cannot be honest on this, then they won't be honest on anything. Liar,Liar pants on fire comes to mind.
In public office one has to be honest, Labour lost that respect yesterday, decent Labour people must be sad by this fall of grace.
If Labour cannot be honest on this, then they won't be honest on anything. Liar,Liar pants on fire comes to mind. In public office one has to be honest, Labour lost that respect yesterday, decent Labour people must be sad by this fall of grace. aldermoorboy
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8:07pm Tue 26 Jun 12

Linesman says...

George4th wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
George4th wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process
Look around you at the successful councils outside of Southampton in Hampshire, Dorset, Sussex etc and ask yourself one question: Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?!
You spouted the same sh1t before the election in May George4th, no one listened then, so why do you think anyone will listen to you now.

Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, no Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston.

Apart from getting elected as councillor in the first place, Royston has not won any election personally and lead his party to a crushing defeat, to me this sort of says something about him more than the Tories in general.
I see you are consistent with your foul mouth expletives.
.
Your reply might have had some substance had you answered the question "Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?"
>
Labour generally fail their voters. The best example being that they led the UK to bankruptcy twice! Not once, TWICE!
>
Only the last Labour government could have achieved the worst statistic ever - widening the gap between the have and the have nots!
Who screwed up over Maestrict that resulted in Black Wednesday?

This financial crisis is an INTERNATIONAL one, that had its beginnings in the USA and spread world-wide.

Maestrict was a financial crisis of the Tories' own making, and saw interest rates in the teens, massive unemployment with the only growth industry being an increase in bailiffs.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process[/p][/quote]Look around you at the successful councils outside of Southampton in Hampshire, Dorset, Sussex etc and ask yourself one question: Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?![/p][/quote]You spouted the same sh1t before the election in May George4th, no one listened then, so why do you think anyone will listen to you now. Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, no Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston. Apart from getting elected as councillor in the first place, Royston has not won any election personally and lead his party to a crushing defeat, to me this sort of says something about him more than the Tories in general.[/p][/quote]I see you are consistent with your foul mouth expletives. . Your reply might have had some substance had you answered the question "Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?" > Labour generally fail their voters. The best example being that they led the UK to bankruptcy twice! Not once, TWICE! > Only the last Labour government could have achieved the worst statistic ever - widening the gap between the have and the have nots![/p][/quote]Who screwed up over Maestrict that resulted in Black Wednesday? This financial crisis is an INTERNATIONAL one, that had its beginnings in the USA and spread world-wide. Maestrict was a financial crisis of the Tories' own making, and saw interest rates in the teens, massive unemployment with the only growth industry being an increase in bailiffs. Linesman
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9:12pm Tue 26 Jun 12

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
George4th wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
George4th wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process
Look around you at the successful councils outside of Southampton in Hampshire, Dorset, Sussex etc and ask yourself one question: Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?!
You spouted the same sh1t before the election in May George4th, no one listened then, so why do you think anyone will listen to you now.

Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, no Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston.

Apart from getting elected as councillor in the first place, Royston has not won any election personally and lead his party to a crushing defeat, to me this sort of says something about him more than the Tories in general.
I see you are consistent with your foul mouth expletives.
.
Your reply might have had some substance had you answered the question "Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?"
>
Labour generally fail their voters. The best example being that they led the UK to bankruptcy twice! Not once, TWICE!
>
Only the last Labour government could have achieved the worst statistic ever - widening the gap between the have and the have nots!
Who screwed up over Maestrict that resulted in Black Wednesday?

This financial crisis is an INTERNATIONAL one, that had its beginnings in the USA and spread world-wide.

Maestrict was a financial crisis of the Tories' own making, and saw interest rates in the teens, massive unemployment with the only growth industry being an increase in bailiffs.
Who promised us a Nation a vote on the European treaty?
Change the title but keep the same agenda & backtrack on your promise That Was Brown's Labour party at least the Irish got a vote.
Have you listened to Brown,Milliband (both) & Ed Balls they admit Labour were part to blame for this financial crisis or were they Lying?
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process[/p][/quote]Look around you at the successful councils outside of Southampton in Hampshire, Dorset, Sussex etc and ask yourself one question: Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?![/p][/quote]You spouted the same sh1t before the election in May George4th, no one listened then, so why do you think anyone will listen to you now. Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, no Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston. Apart from getting elected as councillor in the first place, Royston has not won any election personally and lead his party to a crushing defeat, to me this sort of says something about him more than the Tories in general.[/p][/quote]I see you are consistent with your foul mouth expletives. . Your reply might have had some substance had you answered the question "Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?" > Labour generally fail their voters. The best example being that they led the UK to bankruptcy twice! Not once, TWICE! > Only the last Labour government could have achieved the worst statistic ever - widening the gap between the have and the have nots![/p][/quote]Who screwed up over Maestrict that resulted in Black Wednesday? This financial crisis is an INTERNATIONAL one, that had its beginnings in the USA and spread world-wide. Maestrict was a financial crisis of the Tories' own making, and saw interest rates in the teens, massive unemployment with the only growth industry being an increase in bailiffs.[/p][/quote]Who promised us a Nation a vote on the European treaty? Change the title but keep the same agenda & backtrack on your promise That Was Brown's Labour party at least the Irish got a vote. Have you listened to Brown,Milliband (both) & Ed Balls they admit Labour were part to blame for this financial crisis or were they Lying? loosehead
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9:24pm Tue 26 Jun 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Having observed the Council meeting from public gallery I can only say:
It was display of tribalism of political parties exhibited in it's worse form, and most NuLbour Councillors were by far the biggest culprits.

Motion put forward by Tories was very much flawed. Most important issue of freedom of expression and rights of free press, over which NuLabour's paid pen pushers trampled was not even mentioned. 

Obviously others will have their own opinions, which may be different from mine, but in my view Tories won the debate BUT lost the vote.

Even my real socialist commitments could not stop me from shaking the hand of Cllr. John Hannides and congratulating an old colleague and political opponent for his admirable speech.

By far the worse contribution and speech was of Leader of Council Cllr. Richard Williams, who read page after page of his statement with supersonic speed that I found it difficult to understand his waffle.  Probably that was exactly a the point of his disgraceful exercise.

Cllr. Keith Morrell's total of two sentence explanation of his reason to resign explained absolutely nothing as it appeared to be another oath of loyalty to same system from which he has resigned and same party to which he has deliberately caused enormous embarrassment. 

Most of those NuLabourites who spoke went through already typed scripts in front, I won't be surprised if those also came from some pen pushers in their party, all of them rather than addressing the order paper in front talked about Williams importance as their best asset in last election. Although in my opinion it was Osborne's budget and unpopularity of last Tory administration that won them the seats.

To put it mildly they reminded me of North Korean communists who self efface themselves while kissing the back side of their ruthless dictator, whom they call 'Dear Leader'

So I wonder if 'Dear Leader' of our NuLboourite's may be in need of some cream for soar back after so much of patting kissing and licking!!!

If I was to award the biggest biscuit, it would have gone to William's latest appointed poodle Noon. He proved worth every penny of many thousands of pounds he will get out of job given to him by 'Dear Leader' by describing him as the best ever Leader of Labour Group. Thus insulting people like Dr.Alan Whitehead by implication. 

Simon Letts used the opportunity to shamelessly ditch any pretence of what he tried to portray himself when he spoke to a meeting of TUSC. Proves these NuLabourites can't be trusted.

Cllr Rayment proved her unsuitability for Police Commissioner's post for which she is Labour's candidate, by admitting that she was responsible for clearing the statement at the centre of this argument. If she can make a complete mess of something so small how can anybody trust her with huge and most difficult issue of policing Hampshire and Isle of Wight?

Yes I want to praise NuLabour and pick holes in Tories, on the basis 'Our own devil is better than somebody else's monster' BUT as a socialist I must respect the truth. So can only say that yesterday was not only sad but a day of shame for NuLabour. Their Councillors behaved most arrogantly and more than likely will do the same when some of us will be asking them not to cut our services and save the jobs of Council workers.
 
 
Having observed the Council meeting from public gallery I can only say: It was display of tribalism of political parties exhibited in it's worse form, and most NuLbour Councillors were by far the biggest culprits. Motion put forward by Tories was very much flawed. Most important issue of freedom of expression and rights of free press, over which NuLabour's paid pen pushers trampled was not even mentioned.  Obviously others will have their own opinions, which may be different from mine, but in my view Tories won the debate BUT lost the vote. Even my real socialist commitments could not stop me from shaking the hand of Cllr. John Hannides and congratulating an old colleague and political opponent for his admirable speech. By far the worse contribution and speech was of Leader of Council Cllr. Richard Williams, who read page after page of his statement with supersonic speed that I found it difficult to understand his waffle.  Probably that was exactly a the point of his disgraceful exercise. Cllr. Keith Morrell's total of two sentence explanation of his reason to resign explained absolutely nothing as it appeared to be another oath of loyalty to same system from which he has resigned and same party to which he has deliberately caused enormous embarrassment.  Most of those NuLabourites who spoke went through already typed scripts in front, I won't be surprised if those also came from some pen pushers in their party, all of them rather than addressing the order paper in front talked about Williams importance as their best asset in last election. Although in my opinion it was Osborne's budget and unpopularity of last Tory administration that won them the seats. To put it mildly they reminded me of North Korean communists who self efface themselves while kissing the back side of their ruthless dictator, whom they call 'Dear Leader' So I wonder if 'Dear Leader' of our NuLboourite's may be in need of some cream for soar back after so much of patting kissing and licking!!! If I was to award the biggest biscuit, it would have gone to William's latest appointed poodle Noon. He proved worth every penny of many thousands of pounds he will get out of job given to him by 'Dear Leader' by describing him as the best ever Leader of Labour Group. Thus insulting people like Dr.Alan Whitehead by implication.  Simon Letts used the opportunity to shamelessly ditch any pretence of what he tried to portray himself when he spoke to a meeting of TUSC. Proves these NuLabourites can't be trusted. Cllr Rayment proved her unsuitability for Police Commissioner's post for which she is Labour's candidate, by admitting that she was responsible for clearing the statement at the centre of this argument. If she can make a complete mess of something so small how can anybody trust her with huge and most difficult issue of policing Hampshire and Isle of Wight? Yes I want to praise NuLabour and pick holes in Tories, on the basis 'Our own devil is better than somebody else's monster' BUT as a socialist I must respect the truth. So can only say that yesterday was not only sad but a day of shame for NuLabour. Their Councillors behaved most arrogantly and more than likely will do the same when some of us will be asking them not to cut our services and save the jobs of Council workers.     Paramjit Bahia
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9:26pm Tue 26 Jun 12

loosehead says...

sottondave wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sottondave wrote: Yesterday in the council chamber the Tories looked a bit lost. They went through the motions with their usual over the top vitriol, exaggeration, name calling, insults and hysteria and it failed. Many of their backbenchers looked bored and did not join in with the Tory front bench clapping. Does Royston Smith have the confidence of his own group. Maybe he should have a confidence motion in his group
You should be ashamed to call yourself a representative of the people of this city. Your leader had the chance of telling the truth but instead you all closed ranks & have allowed us the people to be lied to by your leader are you that scared of him? why did they gag you? For you to criticise the tories is a laugh at least they're not all sheep following the shepherd lying leader Williams. So now your party has made out that Barnes Andrews & Morrell are liars or are you saying Williams is a liar Raynor is his stooge & we'd rather follow a liar than get rid of him?
I thought my comment would wind up people like you.
Labour councillors have not had a single person contact us regarding this issue. As usual the local Tories are talking about things which only they want to talk about and they are completely out of touch with public opinion. How many defeats and humiliation do you have to suffer before you change your tune.
You say nobody has said anything to you about this?
my neighbour went to a residents meeting with three Labour councillors there.
He asked if the Council would allow tenants to have free Solar Panels fitted under the Government scheme.
he was told if we need to do something to the roof we'd have to pay to take them off so NO we won't let tenants have the same free electricity as private households.
He felt let down & won't bother airing his thoughts with any Labour Councillors as he thinks they're all liars.
Why don't you explain to your tenants why you won't let them have the Panels as I know a lot want them in Lordshill & Millbrook?
Then explain why your leader said he would prove who the liar(s) were/was then said nothing & you lot of scared rabbits all obeyed your Fuhrer & voted down the no confidence motion?
He did an interview with the Echo they were lying & he didn't say it comes to mind.
then Your Colleague Barnes Andrews resigns from the shadow cabinet as he thought Williams was lying & the Refuse cuts were coming.now we have Morrell saying Williams lied?
so Barnes Andrews doesn't know what he's talking about( a Liar?) the Echo printed a LIE as he didn't say it & of course let's not change Morrell's a Liar as well & you lot trust him?
Thank God it's now two years to go to vote you Muppets out.
The Muppet shows being recreated? Save money & film Southampton Labour Party in action
[quote][p][bold]sottondave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sottondave[/bold] wrote: Yesterday in the council chamber the Tories looked a bit lost. They went through the motions with their usual over the top vitriol, exaggeration, name calling, insults and hysteria and it failed. Many of their backbenchers looked bored and did not join in with the Tory front bench clapping. Does Royston Smith have the confidence of his own group. Maybe he should have a confidence motion in his group[/p][/quote]You should be ashamed to call yourself a representative of the people of this city. Your leader had the chance of telling the truth but instead you all closed ranks & have allowed us the people to be lied to by your leader are you that scared of him? why did they gag you? For you to criticise the tories is a laugh at least they're not all sheep following the shepherd lying leader Williams. So now your party has made out that Barnes Andrews & Morrell are liars or are you saying Williams is a liar Raynor is his stooge & we'd rather follow a liar than get rid of him?[/p][/quote]I thought my comment would wind up people like you. Labour councillors have not had a single person contact us regarding this issue. As usual the local Tories are talking about things which only they want to talk about and they are completely out of touch with public opinion. How many defeats and humiliation do you have to suffer before you change your tune.[/p][/quote]You say nobody has said anything to you about this? my neighbour went to a residents meeting with three Labour councillors there. He asked if the Council would allow tenants to have free Solar Panels fitted under the Government scheme. he was told if we need to do something to the roof we'd have to pay to take them off so NO we won't let tenants have the same free electricity as private households. He felt let down & won't bother airing his thoughts with any Labour Councillors as he thinks they're all liars. Why don't you explain to your tenants why you won't let them have the Panels as I know a lot want them in Lordshill & Millbrook? Then explain why your leader said he would prove who the liar(s) were/was then said nothing & you lot of scared rabbits all obeyed your Fuhrer & voted down the no confidence motion? He did an interview with the Echo they were lying & he didn't say it comes to mind. then Your Colleague Barnes Andrews resigns from the shadow cabinet as he thought Williams was lying & the Refuse cuts were coming.now we have Morrell saying Williams lied? so Barnes Andrews doesn't know what he's talking about( a Liar?) the Echo printed a LIE as he didn't say it & of course let's not change Morrell's a Liar as well & you lot trust him? Thank God it's now two years to go to vote you Muppets out. The Muppet shows being recreated? Save money & film Southampton Labour Party in action loosehead
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9:36pm Tue 26 Jun 12

beiroot says...

I enjoy the waffle and sound bites that come from these plastic politicians.It would seem that they have a GCSE in waffle and haven't got as far as the degree yet.Alas it's not unique to this council as it's replicated all over the country.
I enjoy the waffle and sound bites that come from these plastic politicians.It would seem that they have a GCSE in waffle and haven't got as far as the degree yet.Alas it's not unique to this council as it's replicated all over the country. beiroot
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9:37pm Tue 26 Jun 12

loosehead says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Having observed the Council meeting from public gallery I can only say:
It was display of tribalism of political parties exhibited in it's worse form, and most NuLbour Councillors were by far the biggest culprits.

Motion put forward by Tories was very much flawed. Most important issue of freedom of expression and rights of free press, over which NuLabour's paid pen pushers trampled was not even mentioned. 

Obviously others will have their own opinions, which may be different from mine, but in my view Tories won the debate BUT lost the vote.

Even my real socialist commitments could not stop me from shaking the hand of Cllr. John Hannides and congratulating an old colleague and political opponent for his admirable speech.

By far the worse contribution and speech was of Leader of Council Cllr. Richard Williams, who read page after page of his statement with supersonic speed that I found it difficult to understand his waffle.  Probably that was exactly a the point of his disgraceful exercise.

Cllr. Keith Morrell's total of two sentence explanation of his reason to resign explained absolutely nothing as it appeared to be another oath of loyalty to same system from which he has resigned and same party to which he has deliberately caused enormous embarrassment. 


Most of those NuLabourites who spoke went through already typed scripts in front, I won't be surprised if those also came from some pen pushers in their party, all of them rather than addressing the order paper in front talked about Williams importance as their best asset in last election. Although in my opinion it was Osborne's budget and unpopularity of last Tory administration that won them the seats.

To put it mildly they reminded me of North Korean communists who self efface themselves while kissing the back side of their ruthless dictator, whom they call 'Dear Leader'

So I wonder if 'Dear Leader' of our NuLboourite's may be in need of some cream for soar back after so much of patting kissing and licking!!!

If I was to award the biggest biscuit, it would have gone to William's latest appointed poodle Noon. He proved worth every penny of many thousands of pounds he will get out of job given to him by 'Dear Leader' by describing him as the best ever Leader of Labour Group. Thus insulting people like Dr.Alan Whitehead by implication. 

Simon Letts used the opportunity to shamelessly ditch any pretence of what he tried to portray himself when he spoke to a meeting of TUSC. Proves these NuLabourites can't be trusted.

Cllr Rayment proved her unsuitability for Police Commissioner's post for which she is Labour's candidate, by admitting that she was responsible for clearing the statement at the centre of this argument. If she can make a complete mess of something so small how can anybody trust her with huge and most difficult issue of policing Hampshire and Isle of Wight?

Yes I want to praise NuLabour and pick holes in Tories, on the basis 'Our own devil is better than somebody else's monster' BUT as a socialist I must respect the truth. So can only say that yesterday was not only sad but a day of shame for NuLabour. Their Councillors behaved most arrogantly and more than likely will do the same when some of us will be asking them not to cut our services and save the jobs of Council workers.
 
 
After that Paramjit do you trust Williams council ( sorry! Labours)?
Do you agree with Barnes Andrews that Williams has lied about 1-10 job losses in refuse collection & we'll have fortnightly collections?
With less service next year with Unites boy being the Finance Supremo can you forecast how high our council taxes will go?
Labour sorry Williams could have stopped this by telling the truth but Raynor not reading a Statement before she signs it?
sounds like a major cover up to protect Williams for his bid at Denhams seat
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Having observed the Council meeting from public gallery I can only say: It was display of tribalism of political parties exhibited in it's worse form, and most NuLbour Councillors were by far the biggest culprits. Motion put forward by Tories was very much flawed. Most important issue of freedom of expression and rights of free press, over which NuLabour's paid pen pushers trampled was not even mentioned.  Obviously others will have their own opinions, which may be different from mine, but in my view Tories won the debate BUT lost the vote. Even my real socialist commitments could not stop me from shaking the hand of Cllr. John Hannides and congratulating an old colleague and political opponent for his admirable speech. By far the worse contribution and speech was of Leader of Council Cllr. Richard Williams, who read page after page of his statement with supersonic speed that I found it difficult to understand his waffle.  Probably that was exactly a the point of his disgraceful exercise. Cllr. Keith Morrell's total of two sentence explanation of his reason to resign explained absolutely nothing as it appeared to be another oath of loyalty to same system from which he has resigned and same party to which he has deliberately caused enormous embarrassment.  Most of those NuLabourites who spoke went through already typed scripts in front, I won't be surprised if those also came from some pen pushers in their party, all of them rather than addressing the order paper in front talked about Williams importance as their best asset in last election. Although in my opinion it was Osborne's budget and unpopularity of last Tory administration that won them the seats. To put it mildly they reminded me of North Korean communists who self efface themselves while kissing the back side of their ruthless dictator, whom they call 'Dear Leader' So I wonder if 'Dear Leader' of our NuLboourite's may be in need of some cream for soar back after so much of patting kissing and licking!!! If I was to award the biggest biscuit, it would have gone to William's latest appointed poodle Noon. He proved worth every penny of many thousands of pounds he will get out of job given to him by 'Dear Leader' by describing him as the best ever Leader of Labour Group. Thus insulting people like Dr.Alan Whitehead by implication.  Simon Letts used the opportunity to shamelessly ditch any pretence of what he tried to portray himself when he spoke to a meeting of TUSC. Proves these NuLabourites can't be trusted. Cllr Rayment proved her unsuitability for Police Commissioner's post for which she is Labour's candidate, by admitting that she was responsible for clearing the statement at the centre of this argument. If she can make a complete mess of something so small how can anybody trust her with huge and most difficult issue of policing Hampshire and Isle of Wight? Yes I want to praise NuLabour and pick holes in Tories, on the basis 'Our own devil is better than somebody else's monster' BUT as a socialist I must respect the truth. So can only say that yesterday was not only sad but a day of shame for NuLabour. Their Councillors behaved most arrogantly and more than likely will do the same when some of us will be asking them not to cut our services and save the jobs of Council workers.    [/p][/quote]After that Paramjit do you trust Williams council ( sorry! Labours)? Do you agree with Barnes Andrews that Williams has lied about 1-10 job losses in refuse collection & we'll have fortnightly collections? With less service next year with Unites boy being the Finance Supremo can you forecast how high our council taxes will go? Labour sorry Williams could have stopped this by telling the truth but Raynor not reading a Statement before she signs it? sounds like a major cover up to protect Williams for his bid at Denhams seat loosehead
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9:39pm Tue 26 Jun 12

SotonGreen says...

I wonder if Cllr Rayment is a fit and proper person to be police commissioner if she is prepared to sign off blatant lies so casually.
I wonder if Cllr Rayment is a fit and proper person to be police commissioner if she is prepared to sign off blatant lies so casually. SotonGreen
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9:45pm Tue 26 Jun 12

loosehead says...

SotonGreen wrote:
I wonder if Cllr Rayment is a fit and proper person to be police commissioner if she is prepared to sign off blatant lies so casually.
SotonGreen Labour Councillors seem to be lying like water off ducks backs.
Could you explain why a Council tenant can't have free electricity through free Solar Panels?
As for Raynor that statement alone sounds like a blatant lie to me.
are this lot so obedient of Williams they do exactly what he tells them to do?
Would you blindly sign a press statement?
Or would you check what your signing first?
or did she already know it was a lie?
[quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: I wonder if Cllr Rayment is a fit and proper person to be police commissioner if she is prepared to sign off blatant lies so casually.[/p][/quote]SotonGreen Labour Councillors seem to be lying like water off ducks backs. Could you explain why a Council tenant can't have free electricity through free Solar Panels? As for Raynor that statement alone sounds like a blatant lie to me. are this lot so obedient of Williams they do exactly what he tells them to do? Would you blindly sign a press statement? Or would you check what your signing first? or did she already know it was a lie? loosehead
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10:30pm Tue 26 Jun 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

loosehead wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Having observed the Council meeting from public gallery I can only say:
It was display of tribalism of political parties exhibited in it's worse form, and most NuLbour Councillors were by far the biggest culprits.

Motion put forward by Tories was very much flawed. Most important issue of freedom of expression and rights of free press, over which NuLabour's paid pen pushers trampled was not even mentioned. 

Obviously others will have their own opinions, which may be different from mine, but in my view Tories won the debate BUT lost the vote.

Even my real socialist commitments could not stop me from shaking the hand of Cllr. John Hannides and congratulating an old colleague and political opponent for his admirable speech.

By far the worse contribution and speech was of Leader of Council Cllr. Richard Williams, who read page after page of his statement with supersonic speed that I found it difficult to understand his waffle.  Probably that was exactly a the point of his disgraceful exercise.

Cllr. Keith Morrell's total of two sentence explanation of his reason to resign explained absolutely nothing as it appeared to be another oath of loyalty to same system from which he has resigned and same party to which he has deliberately caused enormous embarrassment. 



Most of those NuLabourites who spoke went through already typed scripts in front, I won't be surprised if those also came from some pen pushers in their party, all of them rather than addressing the order paper in front talked about Williams importance as their best asset in last election. Although in my opinion it was Osborne's budget and unpopularity of last Tory administration that won them the seats.

To put it mildly they reminded me of North Korean communists who self efface themselves while kissing the back side of their ruthless dictator, whom they call 'Dear Leader'

So I wonder if 'Dear Leader' of our NuLboourite's may be in need of some cream for soar back after so much of patting kissing and licking!!!

If I was to award the biggest biscuit, it would have gone to William's latest appointed poodle Noon. He proved worth every penny of many thousands of pounds he will get out of job given to him by 'Dear Leader' by describing him as the best ever Leader of Labour Group. Thus insulting people like Dr.Alan Whitehead by implication. 

Simon Letts used the opportunity to shamelessly ditch any pretence of what he tried to portray himself when he spoke to a meeting of TUSC. Proves these NuLabourites can't be trusted.

Cllr Rayment proved her unsuitability for Police Commissioner's post for which she is Labour's candidate, by admitting that she was responsible for clearing the statement at the centre of this argument. If she can make a complete mess of something so small how can anybody trust her with huge and most difficult issue of policing Hampshire and Isle of Wight?

Yes I want to praise NuLabour and pick holes in Tories, on the basis 'Our own devil is better than somebody else's monster' BUT as a socialist I must respect the truth. So can only say that yesterday was not only sad but a day of shame for NuLabour. Their Councillors behaved most arrogantly and more than likely will do the same when some of us will be asking them not to cut our services and save the jobs of Council workers.
 
 
After that Paramjit do you trust Williams council ( sorry! Labours)?
Do you agree with Barnes Andrews that Williams has lied about 1-10 job losses in refuse collection & we'll have fortnightly collections?
With less service next year with Unites boy being the Finance Supremo can you forecast how high our council taxes will go?
Labour sorry Williams could have stopped this by telling the truth but Raynor not reading a Statement before she signs it?
sounds like a major cover up to protect Williams for his bid at Denhams seat
I can't say much about Barns-Andrew because I missed his statement at that time. I am not avoiding answering or not questioning your credibility. But yesterday he did not say a single word and voted, yes voted FOR full faith in Williams.

I have very little time for people who fail to put their Money where their mouths are.

Cllr. Rayment as already said has yet again proved her to be unsuitable for not only Police Commissioner but also to be Deputy Leader of Council.

Labour should ditch her and get somebody like Denham to be their candidate. I may disagree with John Denham but will always respect him for being very able man with lots of experience and willing to work hard.

John Noon? You may not be old enough, there used to be picture on old records 'His Master's Voice'. 

YES he is a hard working ward councillor but I think this job, not the money, will be bit too much for him. 
I think you are reading too much into his membership of Unite, as far as I know he is just an ordinary member and not very active in the union. He is very much on the right, used to support right winger colonial style man John Arnold. I can't remember JN ever supporting strikers on picket lines, where I and few others have spent plenty of our time, which often upset people of political loyalties like your good self. So Unite could hardly have anything to do with this appointment. 

To the best of my knowledge only councillor who's heart is genuinely with workers and their unions is Don Thomas. Other one used to be Danis HARRYMAN, who just like Don was hard worker with real Labour values. As far as I am concerned most others are either freeloaders or should be in your Conservative Party!!! But will Smith be silly enough to trust them?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Having observed the Council meeting from public gallery I can only say: It was display of tribalism of political parties exhibited in it's worse form, and most NuLbour Councillors were by far the biggest culprits. Motion put forward by Tories was very much flawed. Most important issue of freedom of expression and rights of free press, over which NuLabour's paid pen pushers trampled was not even mentioned.  Obviously others will have their own opinions, which may be different from mine, but in my view Tories won the debate BUT lost the vote. Even my real socialist commitments could not stop me from shaking the hand of Cllr. John Hannides and congratulating an old colleague and political opponent for his admirable speech. By far the worse contribution and speech was of Leader of Council Cllr. Richard Williams, who read page after page of his statement with supersonic speed that I found it difficult to understand his waffle.  Probably that was exactly a the point of his disgraceful exercise. Cllr. Keith Morrell's total of two sentence explanation of his reason to resign explained absolutely nothing as it appeared to be another oath of loyalty to same system from which he has resigned and same party to which he has deliberately caused enormous embarrassment.  Most of those NuLabourites who spoke went through already typed scripts in front, I won't be surprised if those also came from some pen pushers in their party, all of them rather than addressing the order paper in front talked about Williams importance as their best asset in last election. Although in my opinion it was Osborne's budget and unpopularity of last Tory administration that won them the seats. To put it mildly they reminded me of North Korean communists who self efface themselves while kissing the back side of their ruthless dictator, whom they call 'Dear Leader' So I wonder if 'Dear Leader' of our NuLboourite's may be in need of some cream for soar back after so much of patting kissing and licking!!! If I was to award the biggest biscuit, it would have gone to William's latest appointed poodle Noon. He proved worth every penny of many thousands of pounds he will get out of job given to him by 'Dear Leader' by describing him as the best ever Leader of Labour Group. Thus insulting people like Dr.Alan Whitehead by implication.  Simon Letts used the opportunity to shamelessly ditch any pretence of what he tried to portray himself when he spoke to a meeting of TUSC. Proves these NuLabourites can't be trusted. Cllr Rayment proved her unsuitability for Police Commissioner's post for which she is Labour's candidate, by admitting that she was responsible for clearing the statement at the centre of this argument. If she can make a complete mess of something so small how can anybody trust her with huge and most difficult issue of policing Hampshire and Isle of Wight? Yes I want to praise NuLabour and pick holes in Tories, on the basis 'Our own devil is better than somebody else's monster' BUT as a socialist I must respect the truth. So can only say that yesterday was not only sad but a day of shame for NuLabour. Their Councillors behaved most arrogantly and more than likely will do the same when some of us will be asking them not to cut our services and save the jobs of Council workers.    [/p][/quote]After that Paramjit do you trust Williams council ( sorry! Labours)? Do you agree with Barnes Andrews that Williams has lied about 1-10 job losses in refuse collection & we'll have fortnightly collections? With less service next year with Unites boy being the Finance Supremo can you forecast how high our council taxes will go? Labour sorry Williams could have stopped this by telling the truth but Raynor not reading a Statement before she signs it? sounds like a major cover up to protect Williams for his bid at Denhams seat[/p][/quote]I can't say much about Barns-Andrew because I missed his statement at that time. I am not avoiding answering or not questioning your credibility. But yesterday he did not say a single word and voted, yes voted FOR full faith in Williams. I have very little time for people who fail to put their Money where their mouths are. Cllr. Rayment as already said has yet again proved her to be unsuitable for not only Police Commissioner but also to be Deputy Leader of Council. Labour should ditch her and get somebody like Denham to be their candidate. I may disagree with John Denham but will always respect him for being very able man with lots of experience and willing to work hard. John Noon? You may not be old enough, there used to be picture on old records 'His Master's Voice'.  YES he is a hard working ward councillor but I think this job, not the money, will be bit too much for him.  I think you are reading too much into his membership of Unite, as far as I know he is just an ordinary member and not very active in the union. He is very much on the right, used to support right winger colonial style man John Arnold. I can't remember JN ever supporting strikers on picket lines, where I and few others have spent plenty of our time, which often upset people of political loyalties like your good self. So Unite could hardly have anything to do with this appointment.  To the best of my knowledge only councillor who's heart is genuinely with workers and their unions is Don Thomas. Other one used to be Danis HARRYMAN, who just like Don was hard worker with real Labour values. As far as I am concerned most others are either freeloaders or should be in your Conservative Party!!! But will Smith be silly enough to trust them? Paramjit Bahia
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10:45pm Tue 26 Jun 12

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
George4th wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
George4th wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process
Look around you at the successful councils outside of Southampton in Hampshire, Dorset, Sussex etc and ask yourself one question: Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?!
You spouted the same sh1t before the election in May George4th, no one listened then, so why do you think anyone will listen to you now.

Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, no Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston.

Apart from getting elected as councillor in the first place, Royston has not won any election personally and lead his party to a crushing defeat, to me this sort of says something about him more than the Tories in general.
I see you are consistent with your foul mouth expletives.
.
Your reply might have had some substance had you answered the question "Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?"
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Labour generally fail their voters. The best example being that they led the UK to bankruptcy twice! Not once, TWICE!
>
Only the last Labour government could have achieved the worst statistic ever - widening the gap between the have and the have nots!
Who screwed up over Maestrict that resulted in Black Wednesday?

This financial crisis is an INTERNATIONAL one, that had its beginnings in the USA and spread world-wide.

Maestrict was a financial crisis of the Tories' own making, and saw interest rates in the teens, massive unemployment with the only growth industry being an increase in bailiffs.
Who promised us a Nation a vote on the European treaty?
Change the title but keep the same agenda & backtrack on your promise That Was Brown's Labour party at least the Irish got a vote.
Have you listened to Brown,Milliband (both) & Ed Balls they admit Labour were part to blame for this financial crisis or were they Lying?
Who took us into Europe in the first place, without a vote?

It certainly was NOT a Labour.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process[/p][/quote]Look around you at the successful councils outside of Southampton in Hampshire, Dorset, Sussex etc and ask yourself one question: Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?![/p][/quote]You spouted the same sh1t before the election in May George4th, no one listened then, so why do you think anyone will listen to you now. Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, no Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston. Apart from getting elected as councillor in the first place, Royston has not won any election personally and lead his party to a crushing defeat, to me this sort of says something about him more than the Tories in general.[/p][/quote]I see you are consistent with your foul mouth expletives. . Your reply might have had some substance had you answered the question "Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?" > Labour generally fail their voters. The best example being that they led the UK to bankruptcy twice! Not once, TWICE! > Only the last Labour government could have achieved the worst statistic ever - widening the gap between the have and the have nots![/p][/quote]Who screwed up over Maestrict that resulted in Black Wednesday? This financial crisis is an INTERNATIONAL one, that had its beginnings in the USA and spread world-wide. Maestrict was a financial crisis of the Tories' own making, and saw interest rates in the teens, massive unemployment with the only growth industry being an increase in bailiffs.[/p][/quote]Who promised us a Nation a vote on the European treaty? Change the title but keep the same agenda & backtrack on your promise That Was Brown's Labour party at least the Irish got a vote. Have you listened to Brown,Milliband (both) & Ed Balls they admit Labour were part to blame for this financial crisis or were they Lying?[/p][/quote]Who took us into Europe in the first place, without a vote? It certainly was NOT a Labour. Linesman
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10:46pm Tue 26 Jun 12

The Watcher says...

A charade all for the benefit of puffing up a few egos.
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As someone else mentioned, this is not a burning issue for the residents of this great City, it is merely the worst side of party politics.
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Serve the people, not your own interests.
.
My local Conservative party should be ashamed of such showboating, as should The Echo for making a mountain out of a molehill.
A charade all for the benefit of puffing up a few egos. . As someone else mentioned, this is not a burning issue for the residents of this great City, it is merely the worst side of party politics. . Serve the people, not your own interests. . My local Conservative party should be ashamed of such showboating, as should The Echo for making a mountain out of a molehill. The Watcher
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10:59pm Tue 26 Jun 12

freefinker says...

Paramjit, I think you are far, far too kind to Noon.

Having watched him in 'action' for well over a decade, as councillor for Freemantle and then Bargate, on the defunct Community Action Forums, and also having him canvas me on my doorstep; all I can say is I have never met a more stupid, ignorant, inefficient and ineffectual politician in all my life – and I have had dealings with hundreds, of all political persuasions.

Apart from that your analysis of NuLab is spot on.
Paramjit, I think you are far, far too kind to Noon. Having watched him in 'action' for well over a decade, as councillor for Freemantle and then Bargate, on the defunct Community Action Forums, and also having him canvas me on my doorstep; all I can say is I have never met a more stupid, ignorant, inefficient and ineffectual politician in all my life – and I have had dealings with hundreds, of all political persuasions. Apart from that your analysis of NuLab is spot on. freefinker
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11:26pm Tue 26 Jun 12

George4th says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Having observed the Council meeting from public gallery I can only say:
It was display of tribalism of political parties exhibited in it's worse form, and most NuLbour Councillors were by far the biggest culprits.

Motion put forward by Tories was very much flawed. Most important issue of freedom of expression and rights of free press, over which NuLabour's paid pen pushers trampled was not even mentioned. 

Obviously others will have their own opinions, which may be different from mine, but in my view Tories won the debate BUT lost the vote.

Even my real socialist commitments could not stop me from shaking the hand of Cllr. John Hannides and congratulating an old colleague and political opponent for his admirable speech.

By far the worse contribution and speech was of Leader of Council Cllr. Richard Williams, who read page after page of his statement with supersonic speed that I found it difficult to understand his waffle.  Probably that was exactly a the point of his disgraceful exercise.

Cllr. Keith Morrell's total of two sentence explanation of his reason to resign explained absolutely nothing as it appeared to be another oath of loyalty to same system from which he has resigned and same party to which he has deliberately caused enormous embarrassment. 


Most of those NuLabourites who spoke went through already typed scripts in front, I won't be surprised if those also came from some pen pushers in their party, all of them rather than addressing the order paper in front talked about Williams importance as their best asset in last election. Although in my opinion it was Osborne's budget and unpopularity of last Tory administration that won them the seats.

To put it mildly they reminded me of North Korean communists who self efface themselves while kissing the back side of their ruthless dictator, whom they call 'Dear Leader'

So I wonder if 'Dear Leader' of our NuLboourite's may be in need of some cream for soar back after so much of patting kissing and licking!!!

If I was to award the biggest biscuit, it would have gone to William's latest appointed poodle Noon. He proved worth every penny of many thousands of pounds he will get out of job given to him by 'Dear Leader' by describing him as the best ever Leader of Labour Group. Thus insulting people like Dr.Alan Whitehead by implication. 

Simon Letts used the opportunity to shamelessly ditch any pretence of what he tried to portray himself when he spoke to a meeting of TUSC. Proves these NuLabourites can't be trusted.

Cllr Rayment proved her unsuitability for Police Commissioner's post for which she is Labour's candidate, by admitting that she was responsible for clearing the statement at the centre of this argument. If she can make a complete mess of something so small how can anybody trust her with huge and most difficult issue of policing Hampshire and Isle of Wight?

Yes I want to praise NuLabour and pick holes in Tories, on the basis 'Our own devil is better than somebody else's monster' BUT as a socialist I must respect the truth. So can only say that yesterday was not only sad but a day of shame for NuLabour. Their Councillors behaved most arrogantly and more than likely will do the same when some of us will be asking them not to cut our services and save the jobs of Council workers.
 
 
I may not agree with you on many things but I congratulate you on your well written observations on this occasion.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Having observed the Council meeting from public gallery I can only say: It was display of tribalism of political parties exhibited in it's worse form, and most NuLbour Councillors were by far the biggest culprits. Motion put forward by Tories was very much flawed. Most important issue of freedom of expression and rights of free press, over which NuLabour's paid pen pushers trampled was not even mentioned.  Obviously others will have their own opinions, which may be different from mine, but in my view Tories won the debate BUT lost the vote. Even my real socialist commitments could not stop me from shaking the hand of Cllr. John Hannides and congratulating an old colleague and political opponent for his admirable speech. By far the worse contribution and speech was of Leader of Council Cllr. Richard Williams, who read page after page of his statement with supersonic speed that I found it difficult to understand his waffle.  Probably that was exactly a the point of his disgraceful exercise. Cllr. Keith Morrell's total of two sentence explanation of his reason to resign explained absolutely nothing as it appeared to be another oath of loyalty to same system from which he has resigned and same party to which he has deliberately caused enormous embarrassment.  Most of those NuLabourites who spoke went through already typed scripts in front, I won't be surprised if those also came from some pen pushers in their party, all of them rather than addressing the order paper in front talked about Williams importance as their best asset in last election. Although in my opinion it was Osborne's budget and unpopularity of last Tory administration that won them the seats. To put it mildly they reminded me of North Korean communists who self efface themselves while kissing the back side of their ruthless dictator, whom they call 'Dear Leader' So I wonder if 'Dear Leader' of our NuLboourite's may be in need of some cream for soar back after so much of patting kissing and licking!!! If I was to award the biggest biscuit, it would have gone to William's latest appointed poodle Noon. He proved worth every penny of many thousands of pounds he will get out of job given to him by 'Dear Leader' by describing him as the best ever Leader of Labour Group. Thus insulting people like Dr.Alan Whitehead by implication.  Simon Letts used the opportunity to shamelessly ditch any pretence of what he tried to portray himself when he spoke to a meeting of TUSC. Proves these NuLabourites can't be trusted. Cllr Rayment proved her unsuitability for Police Commissioner's post for which she is Labour's candidate, by admitting that she was responsible for clearing the statement at the centre of this argument. If she can make a complete mess of something so small how can anybody trust her with huge and most difficult issue of policing Hampshire and Isle of Wight? Yes I want to praise NuLabour and pick holes in Tories, on the basis 'Our own devil is better than somebody else's monster' BUT as a socialist I must respect the truth. So can only say that yesterday was not only sad but a day of shame for NuLabour. Their Councillors behaved most arrogantly and more than likely will do the same when some of us will be asking them not to cut our services and save the jobs of Council workers.    [/p][/quote]I may not agree with you on many things but I congratulate you on your well written observations on this occasion. George4th
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6:29am Wed 27 Jun 12

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
George4th wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
George4th wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process
Look around you at the successful councils outside of Southampton in Hampshire, Dorset, Sussex etc and ask yourself one question: Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?!
You spouted the same sh1t before the election in May George4th, no one listened then, so why do you think anyone will listen to you now.

Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, no Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston.

Apart from getting elected as councillor in the first place, Royston has not won any election personally and lead his party to a crushing defeat, to me this sort of says something about him more than the Tories in general.
I see you are consistent with your foul mouth expletives.
.
Your reply might have had some substance had you answered the question "Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?"
>
Labour generally fail their voters. The best example being that they led the UK to bankruptcy twice! Not once, TWICE!
>
Only the last Labour government could have achieved the worst statistic ever - widening the gap between the have and the have nots!
Who screwed up over Maestrict that resulted in Black Wednesday?

This financial crisis is an INTERNATIONAL one, that had its beginnings in the USA and spread world-wide.

Maestrict was a financial crisis of the Tories' own making, and saw interest rates in the teens, massive unemployment with the only growth industry being an increase in bailiffs.
Who promised us a Nation a vote on the European treaty?
Change the title but keep the same agenda & backtrack on your promise That Was Brown's Labour party at least the Irish got a vote.
Have you listened to Brown,Milliband (both) & Ed Balls they admit Labour were part to blame for this financial crisis or were they Lying?
Who took us into Europe in the first place, without a vote?

It certainly was NOT a Labour.
I actually detested Heath for doing that.
I also voted NO in the referendum as I could see it was a con
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process[/p][/quote]Look around you at the successful councils outside of Southampton in Hampshire, Dorset, Sussex etc and ask yourself one question: Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?![/p][/quote]You spouted the same sh1t before the election in May George4th, no one listened then, so why do you think anyone will listen to you now. Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, no Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston. Apart from getting elected as councillor in the first place, Royston has not won any election personally and lead his party to a crushing defeat, to me this sort of says something about him more than the Tories in general.[/p][/quote]I see you are consistent with your foul mouth expletives. . Your reply might have had some substance had you answered the question "Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?" > Labour generally fail their voters. The best example being that they led the UK to bankruptcy twice! Not once, TWICE! > Only the last Labour government could have achieved the worst statistic ever - widening the gap between the have and the have nots![/p][/quote]Who screwed up over Maestrict that resulted in Black Wednesday? This financial crisis is an INTERNATIONAL one, that had its beginnings in the USA and spread world-wide. Maestrict was a financial crisis of the Tories' own making, and saw interest rates in the teens, massive unemployment with the only growth industry being an increase in bailiffs.[/p][/quote]Who promised us a Nation a vote on the European treaty? Change the title but keep the same agenda & backtrack on your promise That Was Brown's Labour party at least the Irish got a vote. Have you listened to Brown,Milliband (both) & Ed Balls they admit Labour were part to blame for this financial crisis or were they Lying?[/p][/quote]Who took us into Europe in the first place, without a vote? It certainly was NOT a Labour.[/p][/quote]I actually detested Heath for doing that. I also voted NO in the referendum as I could see it was a con loosehead
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6:50am Wed 27 Jun 12

aldermoorboy says...

People who lie in public office should resign.
People who support people who lie in public office should be ashamed of themselves.
Older people in Labour have set a terrible example to their younger colleagues about standards in public office. Shame, shame on you, some of whom I had previously respected.
Lying is wrong, long term you will regret not having the guts to tell the truth, you have corrupted younger people around you who may follow your example in future.
People who lie in public office should resign. People who support people who lie in public office should be ashamed of themselves. Older people in Labour have set a terrible example to their younger colleagues about standards in public office. Shame, shame on you, some of whom I had previously respected. Lying is wrong, long term you will regret not having the guts to tell the truth, you have corrupted younger people around you who may follow your example in future. aldermoorboy
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8:57am Wed 27 Jun 12

Lone Ranger. says...

sottondave wrote:
Yesterday in the council chamber the Tories looked a bit lost. They went through the motions with their usual over the top vitriol, exaggeration, name calling, insults and hysteria and it failed.
Many of their backbenchers looked bored and did not join in with the Tory front bench clapping. Does Royston Smith have the confidence of his own group. Maybe he should have a confidence motion in his group
I congratulate you on your well written observations on this occasion.
.
How come Paramjit Bahia didnt see it the same way ??
[quote][p][bold]sottondave[/bold] wrote: Yesterday in the council chamber the Tories looked a bit lost. They went through the motions with their usual over the top vitriol, exaggeration, name calling, insults and hysteria and it failed. Many of their backbenchers looked bored and did not join in with the Tory front bench clapping. Does Royston Smith have the confidence of his own group. Maybe he should have a confidence motion in his group[/p][/quote]I congratulate you on your well written observations on this occasion. . How come Paramjit Bahia didnt see it the same way ?? Lone Ranger.
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9:32am Wed 27 Jun 12

aldermoorboy says...

Lone Ranger, in my view Paramjit is an honourable man who believes Councillors should tell the truth.
Labour did not have the guts to tell the truth, they tried to avoid the question whether Morrell or Williams lied.
The trouble with lying is it becomes a habit. I understand Labour said before the election,they would protect jobs,salaries etc. Was this another lie? We will see over the coming months.
Lone Ranger, in my view Paramjit is an honourable man who believes Councillors should tell the truth. Labour did not have the guts to tell the truth, they tried to avoid the question whether Morrell or Williams lied. The trouble with lying is it becomes a habit. I understand Labour said before the election,they would protect jobs,salaries etc. Was this another lie? We will see over the coming months. aldermoorboy
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10:20am Wed 27 Jun 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
sottondave wrote:
Yesterday in the council chamber the Tories looked a bit lost. They went through the motions with their usual over the top vitriol, exaggeration, name calling, insults and hysteria and it failed.
Many of their backbenchers looked bored and did not join in with the Tory front bench clapping. Does Royston Smith have the confidence of his own group. Maybe he should have a confidence motion in his group
I congratulate you on your well written observations on this occasion.
.
How come Paramjit Bahia didnt see it the same way ??
Because I observed from public gallery as member of the public not blind folded by NuLabour Whip or loyalty to own soul not NuLabour's tribe.

If cheering the Front Benchers and clapping like monkeys is Dave's measure, then what about those on NuLabour side who behaved like humans and did not clap either but reluctantly sacrificed their conscience and voted under order of The Whip.

Please face the facts, your 'Dear Leader' is turning your party into Titanic, and your candidate for Police Commissioner who herself admitted to having casually cleared the false statement, has destroyed her credibility for a very demanding post.

Please take my sincere advice for the good of your party for which I campaigned hard for over 35 years:

Keith Morrell, whose inconsistent record you must know, is responsible for creating this mess. So don't be weak kneed, fire the self confessed liar.

Your Dear Leader may be very successful at many other things but he has proved to be unsuitable for this job. So please elect somebody bit better. In the absence of Alan Whitehead or somebody with his kind of ability; Even Simon Letts could considered.

Ditch your candidate for Commisioner Cllr Rayment, get John Denham to leave parliament early, with his ability and experience he could be your party's saviour.

Finally Most important: Start being honest with people of our city by telling them the truth, exactly which services NuLabour is going to cut and how many jobs it intends to destroy.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sottondave[/bold] wrote: Yesterday in the council chamber the Tories looked a bit lost. They went through the motions with their usual over the top vitriol, exaggeration, name calling, insults and hysteria and it failed. Many of their backbenchers looked bored and did not join in with the Tory front bench clapping. Does Royston Smith have the confidence of his own group. Maybe he should have a confidence motion in his group[/p][/quote]I congratulate you on your well written observations on this occasion. . How come Paramjit Bahia didnt see it the same way ??[/p][/quote]Because I observed from public gallery as member of the public not blind folded by NuLabour Whip or loyalty to own soul not NuLabour's tribe. If cheering the Front Benchers and clapping like monkeys is Dave's measure, then what about those on NuLabour side who behaved like humans and did not clap either but reluctantly sacrificed their conscience and voted under order of The Whip. Please face the facts, your 'Dear Leader' is turning your party into Titanic, and your candidate for Police Commissioner who herself admitted to having casually cleared the false statement, has destroyed her credibility for a very demanding post. Please take my sincere advice for the good of your party for which I campaigned hard for over 35 years: Keith Morrell, whose inconsistent record you must know, is responsible for creating this mess. So don't be weak kneed, fire the self confessed liar. Your Dear Leader may be very successful at many other things but he has proved to be unsuitable for this job. So please elect somebody bit better. In the absence of Alan Whitehead or somebody with his kind of ability; Even Simon Letts could considered. Ditch your candidate for Commisioner Cllr Rayment, get John Denham to leave parliament early, with his ability and experience he could be your party's saviour. Finally Most important: Start being honest with people of our city by telling them the truth, exactly which services NuLabour is going to cut and how many jobs it intends to destroy. Paramjit Bahia
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10:38am Wed 27 Jun 12

southy says...

George4th wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
George4th wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process
Look around you at the successful councils outside of Southampton in Hampshire, Dorset, Sussex etc and ask yourself one question: Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?!
You spouted the same sh1t before the election in May George4th, no one listened then, so why do you think anyone will listen to you now.

Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, no Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston.

Apart from getting elected as councillor in the first place, Royston has not won any election personally and lead his party to a crushing defeat, to me this sort of says something about him more than the Tories in general.
I see you are consistent with your foul mouth expletives.
.
Your reply might have had some substance had you answered the question "Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?"
>
Labour generally fail their voters. The best example being that they led the UK to bankruptcy twice! Not once, TWICE!
>
Only the last Labour government could have achieved the worst statistic ever - widening the gap between the have and the have nots!
That because the south coast tends to be a Blue tory area, All ways have been, and is why Southampton makes a good barometer to how people are feeling in the rest of the country.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process[/p][/quote]Look around you at the successful councils outside of Southampton in Hampshire, Dorset, Sussex etc and ask yourself one question: Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?![/p][/quote]You spouted the same sh1t before the election in May George4th, no one listened then, so why do you think anyone will listen to you now. Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, no Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston. Apart from getting elected as councillor in the first place, Royston has not won any election personally and lead his party to a crushing defeat, to me this sort of says something about him more than the Tories in general.[/p][/quote]I see you are consistent with your foul mouth expletives. . Your reply might have had some substance had you answered the question "Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?" > Labour generally fail their voters. The best example being that they led the UK to bankruptcy twice! Not once, TWICE! > Only the last Labour government could have achieved the worst statistic ever - widening the gap between the have and the have nots![/p][/quote]That because the south coast tends to be a Blue tory area, All ways have been, and is why Southampton makes a good barometer to how people are feeling in the rest of the country. southy
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11:19am Wed 27 Jun 12

Lone Ranger. says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Lone Ranger, in my view Paramjit is an honourable man who believes Councillors should tell the truth.
Labour did not have the guts to tell the truth, they tried to avoid the question whether Morrell or Williams lied.
The trouble with lying is it becomes a habit. I understand Labour said before the election,they would protect jobs,salaries etc. Was this another lie? We will see over the coming months.
Reel your neck in aldermoorboy as the inuendo in your post stinks.
.
I have NEVER suggested anything other than PB being an honest and honourable man.... My views are not always shared by him and vice-versa but for you to suggest anything different is shameful.
.
If anything the "abuse" shown to him by some of your fellow Blue Rinse brigade are totally disrespectful
.
If you really are hung up on truth then you need look no further than you own local and National parties.
.
Sea museum ..... we were lied to.
.
Spitfire memorial .... we were lied to.
.
Cant be bothered to list the others but you get the point
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Lone Ranger, in my view Paramjit is an honourable man who believes Councillors should tell the truth. Labour did not have the guts to tell the truth, they tried to avoid the question whether Morrell or Williams lied. The trouble with lying is it becomes a habit. I understand Labour said before the election,they would protect jobs,salaries etc. Was this another lie? We will see over the coming months.[/p][/quote]Reel your neck in aldermoorboy as the inuendo in your post stinks. . I have NEVER suggested anything other than PB being an honest and honourable man.... My views are not always shared by him and vice-versa but for you to suggest anything different is shameful. . If anything the "abuse" shown to him by some of your fellow Blue Rinse brigade are totally disrespectful . If you really are hung up on truth then you need look no further than you own local and National parties. . Sea museum ..... we were lied to. . Spitfire memorial .... we were lied to. . Cant be bothered to list the others but you get the point Lone Ranger.
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11:24am Wed 27 Jun 12

George4th says...

southy wrote:
George4th wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
George4th wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process
Look around you at the successful councils outside of Southampton in Hampshire, Dorset, Sussex etc and ask yourself one question: Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?!
You spouted the same sh1t before the election in May George4th, no one listened then, so why do you think anyone will listen to you now.

Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, no Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston.

Apart from getting elected as councillor in the first place, Royston has not won any election personally and lead his party to a crushing defeat, to me this sort of says something about him more than the Tories in general.
I see you are consistent with your foul mouth expletives.
.
Your reply might have had some substance had you answered the question "Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?"
>
Labour generally fail their voters. The best example being that they led the UK to bankruptcy twice! Not once, TWICE!
>
Only the last Labour government could have achieved the worst statistic ever - widening the gap between the have and the have nots!
That because the south coast tends to be a Blue tory area, All ways have been, and is why Southampton makes a good barometer to how people are feeling in the rest of the country.
You do write some amazing waffle!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process[/p][/quote]Look around you at the successful councils outside of Southampton in Hampshire, Dorset, Sussex etc and ask yourself one question: Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?![/p][/quote]You spouted the same sh1t before the election in May George4th, no one listened then, so why do you think anyone will listen to you now. Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, no Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston. Apart from getting elected as councillor in the first place, Royston has not won any election personally and lead his party to a crushing defeat, to me this sort of says something about him more than the Tories in general.[/p][/quote]I see you are consistent with your foul mouth expletives. . Your reply might have had some substance had you answered the question "Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?" > Labour generally fail their voters. The best example being that they led the UK to bankruptcy twice! Not once, TWICE! > Only the last Labour government could have achieved the worst statistic ever - widening the gap between the have and the have nots![/p][/quote]That because the south coast tends to be a Blue tory area, All ways have been, and is why Southampton makes a good barometer to how people are feeling in the rest of the country.[/p][/quote]You do write some amazing waffle! George4th
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11:32am Wed 27 Jun 12

Lone Ranger. says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
sottondave wrote:
Yesterday in the council chamber the Tories looked a bit lost. They went through the motions with their usual over the top vitriol, exaggeration, name calling, insults and hysteria and it failed.
Many of their backbenchers looked bored and did not join in with the Tory front bench clapping. Does Royston Smith have the confidence of his own group. Maybe he should have a confidence motion in his group
I congratulate you on your well written observations on this occasion.
.
How come Paramjit Bahia didnt see it the same way ??
Because I observed from public gallery as member of the public not blind folded by NuLabour Whip or loyalty to own soul not NuLabour's tribe.

If cheering the Front Benchers and clapping like monkeys is Dave's measure, then what about those on NuLabour side who behaved like humans and did not clap either but reluctantly sacrificed their conscience and voted under order of The Whip.

Please face the facts, your 'Dear Leader' is turning your party into Titanic, and your candidate for Police Commissioner who herself admitted to having casually cleared the false statement, has destroyed her credibility for a very demanding post.

Please take my sincere advice for the good of your party for which I campaigned hard for over 35 years:

Keith Morrell, whose inconsistent record you must know, is responsible for creating this mess. So don't be weak kneed, fire the self confessed liar.

Your Dear Leader may be very successful at many other things but he has proved to be unsuitable for this job. So please elect somebody bit better. In the absence of Alan Whitehead or somebody with his kind of ability; Even Simon Letts could considered.

Ditch your candidate for Commisioner Cllr Rayment, get John Denham to leave parliament early, with his ability and experience he could be your party's saviour.

Finally Most important: Start being honest with people of our city by telling them the truth, exactly which services NuLabour is going to cut and how many jobs it intends to destroy.
In the highly unlikely event of me ever considering to be a Councillor for SCC i will come and ask for advice.
.
Until then i will just post on the information that i have and respond to others.
.
You will also note that i did not question your integrity merely asked why you did not see it the same way as sottondave did.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sottondave[/bold] wrote: Yesterday in the council chamber the Tories looked a bit lost. They went through the motions with their usual over the top vitriol, exaggeration, name calling, insults and hysteria and it failed. Many of their backbenchers looked bored and did not join in with the Tory front bench clapping. Does Royston Smith have the confidence of his own group. Maybe he should have a confidence motion in his group[/p][/quote]I congratulate you on your well written observations on this occasion. . How come Paramjit Bahia didnt see it the same way ??[/p][/quote]Because I observed from public gallery as member of the public not blind folded by NuLabour Whip or loyalty to own soul not NuLabour's tribe. If cheering the Front Benchers and clapping like monkeys is Dave's measure, then what about those on NuLabour side who behaved like humans and did not clap either but reluctantly sacrificed their conscience and voted under order of The Whip. Please face the facts, your 'Dear Leader' is turning your party into Titanic, and your candidate for Police Commissioner who herself admitted to having casually cleared the false statement, has destroyed her credibility for a very demanding post. Please take my sincere advice for the good of your party for which I campaigned hard for over 35 years: Keith Morrell, whose inconsistent record you must know, is responsible for creating this mess. So don't be weak kneed, fire the self confessed liar. Your Dear Leader may be very successful at many other things but he has proved to be unsuitable for this job. So please elect somebody bit better. In the absence of Alan Whitehead or somebody with his kind of ability; Even Simon Letts could considered. Ditch your candidate for Commisioner Cllr Rayment, get John Denham to leave parliament early, with his ability and experience he could be your party's saviour. Finally Most important: Start being honest with people of our city by telling them the truth, exactly which services NuLabour is going to cut and how many jobs it intends to destroy.[/p][/quote]In the highly unlikely event of me ever considering to be a Councillor for SCC i will come and ask for advice. . Until then i will just post on the information that i have and respond to others. . You will also note that i did not question your integrity merely asked why you did not see it the same way as sottondave did. Lone Ranger.
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11:43am Wed 27 Jun 12

aldermoorboy says...

Lone ranger,lets see if we can agree on one thing.
What ever party, do you agree if you lie you are not fit for public office, yes or no?
Lone ranger,lets see if we can agree on one thing. What ever party, do you agree if you lie you are not fit for public office, yes or no? aldermoorboy
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11:56am Wed 27 Jun 12

southy says...

George4th wrote:
southy wrote:
George4th wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
George4th wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process
Look around you at the successful councils outside of Southampton in Hampshire, Dorset, Sussex etc and ask yourself one question: Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?!
You spouted the same sh1t before the election in May George4th, no one listened then, so why do you think anyone will listen to you now.

Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, no Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston.

Apart from getting elected as councillor in the first place, Royston has not won any election personally and lead his party to a crushing defeat, to me this sort of says something about him more than the Tories in general.
I see you are consistent with your foul mouth expletives.
.
Your reply might have had some substance had you answered the question "Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?"
>
Labour generally fail their voters. The best example being that they led the UK to bankruptcy twice! Not once, TWICE!
>
Only the last Labour government could have achieved the worst statistic ever - widening the gap between the have and the have nots!
That because the south coast tends to be a Blue tory area, All ways have been, and is why Southampton makes a good barometer to how people are feeling in the rest of the country.
You do write some amazing waffle!
Not waffle go and check the history of elections here in the south coast, the south coast do tend to be a true blue area and all as been, and its only small location like Southampton that do bring in some thing different, and that is why Southampton is used to judge the feeling of the country.
From Kant to Cornwall there are more Tory Councillors and Councils and MP's. and its is normally like this.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: How about drawing a line under what has gone before and judge the new Council on their results in the future, a number of them are new to the job and will need to learn the ropes before jumping in and making decisions, there certainly seems to be a mess left by the previous incumbents, let's see if the new kids on the block can make a difference, hopefully dropping the Political dogma in the process[/p][/quote]Look around you at the successful councils outside of Southampton in Hampshire, Dorset, Sussex etc and ask yourself one question: Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?![/p][/quote]You spouted the same sh1t before the election in May George4th, no one listened then, so why do you think anyone will listen to you now. Just another defeat for Royston Smith, he should have done his maths before calling for a vote of no confidence, it's a no- brainer a non-starter, no Labour councillors would back their leader over a a disgruntled loser like Royston. Apart from getting elected as councillor in the first place, Royston has not won any election personally and lead his party to a crushing defeat, to me this sort of says something about him more than the Tories in general.[/p][/quote]I see you are consistent with your foul mouth expletives. . Your reply might have had some substance had you answered the question "Why isn't there a successful Labour council anywhere near Southampton?" > Labour generally fail their voters. The best example being that they led the UK to bankruptcy twice! Not once, TWICE! > Only the last Labour government could have achieved the worst statistic ever - widening the gap between the have and the have nots![/p][/quote]That because the south coast tends to be a Blue tory area, All ways have been, and is why Southampton makes a good barometer to how people are feeling in the rest of the country.[/p][/quote]You do write some amazing waffle![/p][/quote]Not waffle go and check the history of elections here in the south coast, the south coast do tend to be a true blue area and all as been, and its only small location like Southampton that do bring in some thing different, and that is why Southampton is used to judge the feeling of the country. From Kant to Cornwall there are more Tory Councillors and Councils and MP's. and its is normally like this. southy
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11:59am Wed 27 Jun 12

southy says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Lone ranger,lets see if we can agree on one thing.
What ever party, do you agree if you lie you are not fit for public office, yes or no?
If he agrees on that, then there would not be many Tory Councillors or MP's in office.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Lone ranger,lets see if we can agree on one thing. What ever party, do you agree if you lie you are not fit for public office, yes or no?[/p][/quote]If he agrees on that, then there would not be many Tory Councillors or MP's in office. southy
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12:07pm Wed 27 Jun 12

southy says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
sottondave wrote:
Yesterday in the council chamber the Tories looked a bit lost. They went through the motions with their usual over the top vitriol, exaggeration, name calling, insults and hysteria and it failed.
Many of their backbenchers looked bored and did not join in with the Tory front bench clapping. Does Royston Smith have the confidence of his own group. Maybe he should have a confidence motion in his group
I congratulate you on your well written observations on this occasion.
.
How come Paramjit Bahia didnt see it the same way ??
Because I observed from public gallery as member of the public not blind folded by NuLabour Whip or loyalty to own soul not NuLabour's tribe.

If cheering the Front Benchers and clapping like monkeys is Dave's measure, then what about those on NuLabour side who behaved like humans and did not clap either but reluctantly sacrificed their conscience and voted under order of The Whip.

Please face the facts, your 'Dear Leader' is turning your party into Titanic, and your candidate for Police Commissioner who herself admitted to having casually cleared the false statement, has destroyed her credibility for a very demanding post.

Please take my sincere advice for the good of your party for which I campaigned hard for over 35 years:

Keith Morrell, whose inconsistent record you must know, is responsible for creating this mess. So don't be weak kneed, fire the self confessed liar.

Your Dear Leader may be very successful at many other things but he has proved to be unsuitable for this job. So please elect somebody bit better. In the absence of Alan Whitehead or somebody with his kind of ability; Even Simon Letts could considered.

Ditch your candidate for Commisioner Cllr Rayment, get John Denham to leave parliament early, with his ability and experience he could be your party's saviour.

Finally Most important: Start being honest with people of our city by telling them the truth, exactly which services NuLabour is going to cut and how many jobs it intends to destroy.
In the highly unlikely event of me ever considering to be a Councillor for SCC i will come and ask for advice.
.
Until then i will just post on the information that i have and respond to others.
.
You will also note that i did not question your integrity merely asked why you did not see it the same way as sottondave did.
sottondave is a Labour Councillor for Millbrook Ward, if I remember Rightly.
He not very good on his Politics, wells how he came across to me when I last spoke to him and his daughter in Shirley, He could not pick any faults, with the TUSC manifest all he could do was pick on spelling and grammar that was more likely off been a typo than a spelling error, He may not been able to pick fault with the manifest because he might off agreed with it. And if thats the case he in the wrong political party, but then again he did confess to being a Capitalist just like Whitbread did.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sottondave[/bold] wrote: Yesterday in the council chamber the Tories looked a bit lost. They went through the motions with their usual over the top vitriol, exaggeration, name calling, insults and hysteria and it failed. Many of their backbenchers looked bored and did not join in with the Tory front bench clapping. Does Royston Smith have the confidence of his own group. Maybe he should have a confidence motion in his group[/p][/quote]I congratulate you on your well written observations on this occasion. . How come Paramjit Bahia didnt see it the same way ??[/p][/quote]Because I observed from public gallery as member of the public not blind folded by NuLabour Whip or loyalty to own soul not NuLabour's tribe. If cheering the Front Benchers and clapping like monkeys is Dave's measure, then what about those on NuLabour side who behaved like humans and did not clap either but reluctantly sacrificed their conscience and voted under order of The Whip. Please face the facts, your 'Dear Leader' is turning your party into Titanic, and your candidate for Police Commissioner who herself admitted to having casually cleared the false statement, has destroyed her credibility for a very demanding post. Please take my sincere advice for the good of your party for which I campaigned hard for over 35 years: Keith Morrell, whose inconsistent record you must know, is responsible for creating this mess. So don't be weak kneed, fire the self confessed liar. Your Dear Leader may be very successful at many other things but he has proved to be unsuitable for this job. So please elect somebody bit better. In the absence of Alan Whitehead or somebody with his kind of ability; Even Simon Letts could considered. Ditch your candidate for Commisioner Cllr Rayment, get John Denham to leave parliament early, with his ability and experience he could be your party's saviour. Finally Most important: Start being honest with people of our city by telling them the truth, exactly which services NuLabour is going to cut and how many jobs it intends to destroy.[/p][/quote]In the highly unlikely event of me ever considering to be a Councillor for SCC i will come and ask for advice. . Until then i will just post on the information that i have and respond to others. . You will also note that i did not question your integrity merely asked why you did not see it the same way as sottondave did.[/p][/quote]sottondave is a Labour Councillor for Millbrook Ward, if I remember Rightly. He not very good on his Politics, wells how he came across to me when I last spoke to him and his daughter in Shirley, He could not pick any faults, with the TUSC manifest all he could do was pick on spelling and grammar that was more likely off been a typo than a spelling error, He may not been able to pick fault with the manifest because he might off agreed with it. And if thats the case he in the wrong political party, but then again he did confess to being a Capitalist just like Whitbread did. southy
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4:50pm Wed 27 Jun 12

Lone Ranger. says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Lone ranger,lets see if we can agree on one thing.
What ever party, do you agree if you lie you are not fit for public office, yes or no?
How strange that you should adopt such a cavalier attitude now that the Tories are gone.
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Pity that you ddnt make this suggestion when Smith was in charge ......... Now i wonder why
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Lone ranger,lets see if we can agree on one thing. What ever party, do you agree if you lie you are not fit for public office, yes or no?[/p][/quote]How strange that you should adopt such a cavalier attitude now that the Tories are gone. . Pity that you ddnt make this suggestion when Smith was in charge ......... Now i wonder why Lone Ranger.
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9:03pm Wed 27 Jun 12

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Lone ranger,lets see if we can agree on one thing.
What ever party, do you agree if you lie you are not fit for public office, yes or no?
How strange that you should adopt such a cavalier attitude now that the Tories are gone.
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Pity that you ddnt make this suggestion when Smith was in charge ......... Now i wonder why
Were you one of the idiots who said the Sub was all a PR stunt?
He said he tried coming to an agreement with the trade unions to keep as many as possible in work & to ride out the cuts but the unions wouldn't negotiate.
ACAS proved him so,so right as guess what? Yes the Unions wouldn't negotiate.
He said the money for Sea City would come from grants & fund raising as of now I haven't seen this Labour council offer proof to disprove that.
yet you some how come out with magical figures.
So compared to Williams,Raynor & now the Labour council he's squeaky clean can Williams say that? Or Raynor who's trying to make us believe she signed a Press release with out reading it first?
Looks like lyings all this Labour council knows & looks like your fast falling into that category
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Lone ranger,lets see if we can agree on one thing. What ever party, do you agree if you lie you are not fit for public office, yes or no?[/p][/quote]How strange that you should adopt such a cavalier attitude now that the Tories are gone. . Pity that you ddnt make this suggestion when Smith was in charge ......... Now i wonder why[/p][/quote]Were you one of the idiots who said the Sub was all a PR stunt? He said he tried coming to an agreement with the trade unions to keep as many as possible in work & to ride out the cuts but the unions wouldn't negotiate. ACAS proved him so,so right as guess what? Yes the Unions wouldn't negotiate. He said the money for Sea City would come from grants & fund raising as of now I haven't seen this Labour council offer proof to disprove that. yet you some how come out with magical figures. So compared to Williams,Raynor & now the Labour council he's squeaky clean can Williams say that? Or Raynor who's trying to make us believe she signed a Press release with out reading it first? Looks like lyings all this Labour council knows & looks like your fast falling into that category loosehead
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9:52am Thu 28 Jun 12

aldermoorboy says...

100% correct Loosehead.
I notice Lone Ranger did not answer the question, I expect he/she is not able to face the truth about Labour.
It must be hard to accept they cannot even trust each other.
100% correct Loosehead. I notice Lone Ranger did not answer the question, I expect he/she is not able to face the truth about Labour. It must be hard to accept they cannot even trust each other. aldermoorboy
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12:12pm Sat 30 Jun 12

Lone Ranger. says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
100% correct Loosehead.
I notice Lone Ranger did not answer the question, I expect he/she is not able to face the truth about Labour.
It must be hard to accept they cannot even trust each other.
Strange because i was waiting for you to agree how we were lied to over the Sea Museum and Spitfire memorial.
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You didnt so you are not prepared to condemn your own party .......... Yet have the brass neck to question me.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: 100% correct Loosehead. I notice Lone Ranger did not answer the question, I expect he/she is not able to face the truth about Labour. It must be hard to accept they cannot even trust each other.[/p][/quote]Strange because i was waiting for you to agree how we were lied to over the Sea Museum and Spitfire memorial. . You didnt so you are not prepared to condemn your own party .......... Yet have the brass neck to question me. Lone Ranger.
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12:24pm Sat 30 Jun 12

Lone Ranger. says...

loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Lone ranger,lets see if we can agree on one thing.
What ever party, do you agree if you lie you are not fit for public office, yes or no?
How strange that you should adopt such a cavalier attitude now that the Tories are gone.
.
Pity that you ddnt make this suggestion when Smith was in charge ......... Now i wonder why
Were you one of the idiots who said the Sub was all a PR stunt?
He said he tried coming to an agreement with the trade unions to keep as many as possible in work & to ride out the cuts but the unions wouldn't negotiate.
ACAS proved him so,so right as guess what? Yes the Unions wouldn't negotiate.
He said the money for Sea City would come from grants & fund raising as of now I haven't seen this Labour council offer proof to disprove that.
yet you some how come out with magical figures.
So compared to Williams,Raynor & now the Labour council he's squeaky clean can Williams say that? Or Raynor who's trying to make us believe she signed a Press release with out reading it first?
Looks like lyings all this Labour council knows & looks like your fast falling into that category
Firstly dont judge everone by your own low standards ............ ...... NO i am not an idiot ..
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No i did not claim anything about Smiths Sub ordeal ........ But congratulated him on heroism ..... ....... I suggest you read posts before puting what brain you into action.
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I have never said that the Labour was squeaky clean ...... But have also pointed out areas that have stains on them related to the Tories ....... Which you shamefully fail to acknowledge.
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The rest of your post may well impress one or two of your other Tory posters who live close by, but, .. to anyone with the least bit of common sense and knowledge would doubt your Tory claims
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Lone ranger,lets see if we can agree on one thing. What ever party, do you agree if you lie you are not fit for public office, yes or no?[/p][/quote]How strange that you should adopt such a cavalier attitude now that the Tories are gone. . Pity that you ddnt make this suggestion when Smith was in charge ......... Now i wonder why[/p][/quote]Were you one of the idiots who said the Sub was all a PR stunt? He said he tried coming to an agreement with the trade unions to keep as many as possible in work & to ride out the cuts but the unions wouldn't negotiate. ACAS proved him so,so right as guess what? Yes the Unions wouldn't negotiate. He said the money for Sea City would come from grants & fund raising as of now I haven't seen this Labour council offer proof to disprove that. yet you some how come out with magical figures. So compared to Williams,Raynor & now the Labour council he's squeaky clean can Williams say that? Or Raynor who's trying to make us believe she signed a Press release with out reading it first? Looks like lyings all this Labour council knows & looks like your fast falling into that category[/p][/quote]Firstly dont judge everone by your own low standards ............ ...... NO i am not an idiot .. . No i did not claim anything about Smiths Sub ordeal ........ But congratulated him on heroism ..... ....... I suggest you read posts before puting what brain you into action. . I have never said that the Labour was squeaky clean ...... But have also pointed out areas that have stains on them related to the Tories ....... Which you shamefully fail to acknowledge. . The rest of your post may well impress one or two of your other Tory posters who live close by, but, .. to anyone with the least bit of common sense and knowledge would doubt your Tory claims Lone Ranger.
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1:13pm Sat 30 Jun 12

loosehead says...

You question my intelligence?
did I not say were you one of those idiots?
yet you reply in your usual way of attacking a poster if you can't answer without conceding you were wrong.
I have admitted when I've been wrong I've also argued for the Bio Mass which the Tory party are against so kinda destroys your post doesn't it?
then you reply with this "brain you into action"? do you mean
"Put your brain into gear" or are you saying your going to brain me into action?
Surely the latter can't be the one can it?
You question my intelligence? did I not say were you one of those idiots? yet you reply in your usual way of attacking a poster if you can't answer without conceding you were wrong. I have admitted when I've been wrong I've also argued for the Bio Mass which the Tory party are against so kinda destroys your post doesn't it? then you reply with this "brain you into action"? do you mean "Put your brain into gear" or are you saying your going to brain me into action? Surely the latter can't be the one can it? loosehead
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8:38pm Sat 30 Jun 12

Lone Ranger. says...

loosehead wrote:
You question my intelligence?
did I not say were you one of those idiots?
yet you reply in your usual way of attacking a poster if you can't answer without conceding you were wrong.
I have admitted when I've been wrong I've also argued for the Bio Mass which the Tory party are against so kinda destroys your post doesn't it?
then you reply with this "brain you into action"? do you mean
"Put your brain into gear" or are you saying your going to brain me into action?
Surely the latter can't be the one can it?
Dear oh dear i really dont follow your post at all.
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Sorry loosehead i suggest that you read it again and try to explain it ..... i am baffled
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: You question my intelligence? did I not say were you one of those idiots? yet you reply in your usual way of attacking a poster if you can't answer without conceding you were wrong. I have admitted when I've been wrong I've also argued for the Bio Mass which the Tory party are against so kinda destroys your post doesn't it? then you reply with this "brain you into action"? do you mean "Put your brain into gear" or are you saying your going to brain me into action? Surely the latter can't be the one can it?[/p][/quote]Dear oh dear i really dont follow your post at all. . Sorry loosehead i suggest that you read it again and try to explain it ..... i am baffled Lone Ranger.
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