Southampton Tories call for pool closure poll alongside proposed power station referendum

Daily Echo: Tories call for pool closure poll alongside power station referendum Tories call for pool closure poll alongside power station referendum

OPPOSITION Tories will today demand a referendum over the closure of a popular Southampton pool as Labour agrees to hold one for a controversial new power station.

Council leader Richard Williams will unveil a draft question for a public vote on a proposed £300m wood fired energy station at the docks.

The local referendum, thought to be a UK first, is set to receive cross-party support but Conservatives will also call for a poll on the closure of Oaklands swimming pool in Lordshill when the issues are debated this afternoon.

Labour leaders want to shut the loss-making pool - popular with children, older and disabled residents - as part of a “mini-budget”.

The pool, which employs 33 staff, requires a £235,000 annual subsidy and costly repairs.

Labour ward councillors in Coxford - former Cabinet member Keith Morrell, Don Thomas and Sally Spicer - have already vowed to fight to save it and may vote against the budget proposals later.

Tory group deputy leader Jeremy Moulton said residents in Coxford and Redbridge should be given a vote.

He said: “Should they decide to push ahead with the closure then we will be calling for a public vote so that the local community can make their position clear about whether they want to keep their local pool.

“Given what the leader of the council has said about how he favours referenda and how keen he is to consult with and listen to residents, if he wants his words to be taken seriously he should back this vote."

Cllr Williams said he wanted to hold a “preferendum” in Freemantle and Millbrook on the 100-megawatt power station as part of a pledge to do more to “engage and enthuse” the electorate in local democracy.

Subject to legal approval it is likely to held alongside elections for a new county police commissioner in November. Labour has earmarked £5,000 to pay for it.

While not legally binding it would be an influential consideration when the developer Helius Energy submits its plans to in the autumn.

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10:24am Wed 11 Jul 12

tootle says...

Maybe groups of Councillors requesting referenda should be asked to forego enough of their allowances to pay the costs and be refunded if their opinion wins and is acted upon. The results are not binding so, in the case of Oaklands pool, the Council will do what it wants to regardless - which appears to be close it!.
Maybe groups of Councillors requesting referenda should be asked to forego enough of their allowances to pay the costs and be refunded if their opinion wins and is acted upon. The results are not binding so, in the case of Oaklands pool, the Council will do what it wants to regardless - which appears to be close it!. tootle
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10:25am Wed 11 Jul 12

southy says...

Bit slow Tory Party the Socialist Party and the TUSC plus a few on here have all ready said this about having a referendum on the Pool for the Locals at the same time as the referendum for the Bio power station and the vote for the elections for a new county police commissioner. To keep cost down, Tory band wagon jumpers. plus it was the Tory Council that wanted to have a private developer to pull down the all the buildings and built private sector homes on the land, another U-Turn for the Torys. now they are out of office they will not even back one of there own plans.
Bit slow Tory Party the Socialist Party and the TUSC plus a few on here have all ready said this about having a referendum on the Pool for the Locals at the same time as the referendum for the Bio power station and the vote for the elections for a new county police commissioner. To keep cost down, Tory band wagon jumpers. plus it was the Tory Council that wanted to have a private developer to pull down the all the buildings and built private sector homes on the land, another U-Turn for the Torys. now they are out of office they will not even back one of there own plans. southy
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10:44am Wed 11 Jul 12

Lone Ranger. says...

Give it a break Cllr Moulton ... you are getting as pathetic as your bitter Tory leader.
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You and your party of losers will soon be costing the people of Southampton a ruddy fortune.
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As i have said before ...... is this for the benefit of the residents or for your battered ego's
Give it a break Cllr Moulton ... you are getting as pathetic as your bitter Tory leader. . You and your party of losers will soon be costing the people of Southampton a ruddy fortune. . As i have said before ...... is this for the benefit of the residents or for your battered ego's Lone Ranger.
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11:08am Wed 11 Jul 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Considering only few weeks ago this issue of Millbrook ward was hot topic during local election, NuLabour's Cllr. Dave Funnel and his fellow councillors from that ward should know how strongly their constituents feel against this proposed eye sore and potentially high risk fire hazard.

That is if they were listening to people with human rather than usual NuLabour's synthetic ones.

Rather than having the guts to stand for people of their area and courage to tell the developers to get lost, NuLabourite Dave well known for being follower of politically dodgy Denham and others have come up with a seductive gimmick, which will cost money, which same lot keep on telling us Council has not got, so is cutting services.

While principle of involving people in decision making or policy formation may be desirable, exploiting referendums purely for political purposes is irresponsible. As in this case massive local opposition to this proposed eye sore is well known it will be waste of time and money.

Considering NuLabourite Dave Funnel has opened the referendum route, hardly surprising that Tories have decided to use the opportunity for attaching the issue of Oakland pool to same debate. Shows they are no fools.

Why did NuLabourites thought of referendum for something in Millbrook and not over permanent closing of swimming pool in Coxford, which was not discussed during election time? 

Was it because the lunacy at Oaklands is part of their own heartless immoral and ruthless cuts about which they misled the electorate during election campaign?
Considering only few weeks ago this issue of Millbrook ward was hot topic during local election, NuLabour's Cllr. Dave Funnel and his fellow councillors from that ward should know how strongly their constituents feel against this proposed eye sore and potentially high risk fire hazard. That is if they were listening to people with human rather than usual NuLabour's synthetic ones. Rather than having the guts to stand for people of their area and courage to tell the developers to get lost, NuLabourite Dave well known for being follower of politically dodgy Denham and others have come up with a seductive gimmick, which will cost money, which same lot keep on telling us Council has not got, so is cutting services. While principle of involving people in decision making or policy formation may be desirable, exploiting referendums purely for political purposes is irresponsible. As in this case massive local opposition to this proposed eye sore is well known it will be waste of time and money. Considering NuLabourite Dave Funnel has opened the referendum route, hardly surprising that Tories have decided to use the opportunity for attaching the issue of Oakland pool to same debate. Shows they are no fools. Why did NuLabourites thought of referendum for something in Millbrook and not over permanent closing of swimming pool in Coxford, which was not discussed during election time?  Was it because the lunacy at Oaklands is part of their own heartless immoral and ruthless cuts about which they misled the electorate during election campaign? Paramjit Bahia
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11:19am Wed 11 Jul 12

On the inside says...

Richard Williams has brought this on himself. I vote for politicians on the basis of their party manifesto which I accept will only ever be about direction of travel and cannot include details such as pools and planning applications. Once done I judge them on what they do and hold them to account at the next election. I do not expect them to keep coming back wasting my taxes on asking me a load of questions.

Mr Williams, you were duly elected (by a large majority) strap a pair on and do your bloody job!

While we are at it, I expect councillors elected as Labour to vote with Labour. If they don't they must resign and go back to the electorate. After all, if they are right about their local issue they will be re-elected as independents or whatever with even bigger majorities won't they?
Richard Williams has brought this on himself. I vote for politicians on the basis of their party manifesto which I accept will only ever be about direction of travel and cannot include details such as pools and planning applications. Once done I judge them on what they do and hold them to account at the next election. I do not expect them to keep coming back wasting my taxes on asking me a load of questions. Mr Williams, you were duly elected (by a large majority) strap a pair on and do your bloody job! While we are at it, I expect councillors elected as Labour to vote with Labour. If they don't they must resign and go back to the electorate. After all, if they are right about their local issue they will be re-elected as independents or whatever with even bigger majorities won't they? On the inside
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11:25am Wed 11 Jul 12

IssacJacobs says...

I for one am glad that the pool is closing. How on earth can the council justify keeping open a loss making pool?

I know a lifeguard that works at the pool and for the past few weeks they have been going into work watching DVD’s and being paid for it! Why did they not spend their time looking for a new job?

If elderly or disabled people want to go swimming then pay to go to a private pool like everyone else. Don’t expect the state to do that for you.
I for one am glad that the pool is closing. How on earth can the council justify keeping open a loss making pool? I know a lifeguard that works at the pool and for the past few weeks they have been going into work watching DVD’s and being paid for it! Why did they not spend their time looking for a new job? If elderly or disabled people want to go swimming then pay to go to a private pool like everyone else. Don’t expect the state to do that for you. IssacJacobs
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12:02pm Wed 11 Jul 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

On the inside wrote:
Richard Williams has brought this on himself. I vote for politicians on the basis of their party manifesto which I accept will only ever be about direction of travel and cannot include details such as pools and planning applications. Once done I judge them on what they do and hold them to account at the next election. I do not expect them to keep coming back wasting my taxes on asking me a load of questions.

Mr Williams, you were duly elected (by a large majority) strap a pair on and do your bloody job!

While we are at it, I expect councillors elected as Labour to vote with Labour. If they don't they must resign and go back to the electorate. After all, if they are right about their local issue they will be re-elected as independents or whatever with even bigger majorities won't they?
Agree with your last para.

Party unity in the chamber is required, but why is it lacking in local NuLabour Group?

It is the lousy leadership. Rather than acting like Dear Leader of North Korea, Cllr. Williams should learn from somebody like Alan Whitehead who was by far the best Leader this Council had during last few decades.

Williams may be good at making money for himself, and may even be a likeable person, but he flip flops too much and wants to be loved and cuddled by all. 

Why could he not show the door to self confessed liar Keith Morrell for causing embrassment? And to Rayment for clearing a false statement without reading it properly? Is it because there is more to that mess than has actually come out?

Alan Whitehead led a Group, which consisted of very much right wingers like John Arnold and others on real left like me and Brian Roost. Most of his members were well informed full of independent ideas and vocal, while Wlliams the Dear Leader is only leading mostly sheep and some brainless wonders on ego trips.  But how could Alan make his lot work as a team while Dear Leader Williams so far has miserably failed?

NuLabour should face the fact, and put somebody better in charge. But have they got one in Council? Surely they are not all like Noon....
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: Richard Williams has brought this on himself. I vote for politicians on the basis of their party manifesto which I accept will only ever be about direction of travel and cannot include details such as pools and planning applications. Once done I judge them on what they do and hold them to account at the next election. I do not expect them to keep coming back wasting my taxes on asking me a load of questions. Mr Williams, you were duly elected (by a large majority) strap a pair on and do your bloody job! While we are at it, I expect councillors elected as Labour to vote with Labour. If they don't they must resign and go back to the electorate. After all, if they are right about their local issue they will be re-elected as independents or whatever with even bigger majorities won't they?[/p][/quote]Agree with your last para. Party unity in the chamber is required, but why is it lacking in local NuLabour Group? It is the lousy leadership. Rather than acting like Dear Leader of North Korea, Cllr. Williams should learn from somebody like Alan Whitehead who was by far the best Leader this Council had during last few decades. Williams may be good at making money for himself, and may even be a likeable person, but he flip flops too much and wants to be loved and cuddled by all.  Why could he not show the door to self confessed liar Keith Morrell for causing embrassment? And to Rayment for clearing a false statement without reading it properly? Is it because there is more to that mess than has actually come out? Alan Whitehead led a Group, which consisted of very much right wingers like John Arnold and others on real left like me and Brian Roost. Most of his members were well informed full of independent ideas and vocal, while Wlliams the Dear Leader is only leading mostly sheep and some brainless wonders on ego trips.  But how could Alan make his lot work as a team while Dear Leader Williams so far has miserably failed? NuLabour should face the fact, and put somebody better in charge. But have they got one in Council? Surely they are not all like Noon.... Paramjit Bahia
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12:46pm Wed 11 Jul 12

Smilzo says...

IssacJacobs wrote:
I for one am glad that the pool is closing. How on earth can the council justify keeping open a loss making pool?

I know a lifeguard that works at the pool and for the past few weeks they have been going into work watching DVD’s and being paid for it! Why did they not spend their time looking for a new job?

If elderly or disabled people want to go swimming then pay to go to a private pool like everyone else. Don’t expect the state to do that for you.
Is it better to subsidise a local amenity for £235,000 a year (very roughly £140 per week per employee) and provide local employment, with benefits for the local economy, and a means of people socialising and keeping fit, or to spend that money on dole payments and let people rot away, both socially and physically, with all the later costs of social breakdown and increased health problems that result?
[quote][p][bold]IssacJacobs[/bold] wrote: I for one am glad that the pool is closing. How on earth can the council justify keeping open a loss making pool? I know a lifeguard that works at the pool and for the past few weeks they have been going into work watching DVD’s and being paid for it! Why did they not spend their time looking for a new job? If elderly or disabled people want to go swimming then pay to go to a private pool like everyone else. Don’t expect the state to do that for you.[/p][/quote]Is it better to subsidise a local amenity for £235,000 a year (very roughly £140 per week per employee) and provide local employment, with benefits for the local economy, and a means of people socialising and keeping fit, or to spend that money on dole payments and let people rot away, both socially and physically, with all the later costs of social breakdown and increased health problems that result? Smilzo
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12:51pm Wed 11 Jul 12

The Watcher says...

On the inside wrote:
Richard Williams has brought this on himself. I vote for politicians on the basis of their party manifesto which I accept will only ever be about direction of travel and cannot include details such as pools and planning applications. Once done I judge them on what they do and hold them to account at the next election. I do not expect them to keep coming back wasting my taxes on asking me a load of questions. Mr Williams, you were duly elected (by a large majority) strap a pair on and do your bloody job! While we are at it, I expect councillors elected as Labour to vote with Labour. If they don't they must resign and go back to the electorate. After all, if they are right about their local issue they will be re-elected as independents or whatever with even bigger majorities won't they?
You are quite right, Governments and Councils are not, and should not, be run by copious referendum.
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Councils, Govts, MPs and Councillors will be judged by the electorate on their overall tenure not on a piecemeal basis.
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The current demand and desire for a plebiscite on "every" issue is ridiculous.
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Cllr Williams is playing vanity politics by introducing one for the Helius issue and Cllr Moulton's stance is even more ridiculous.
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You don't call for a referendum on every Council decision.
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: Richard Williams has brought this on himself. I vote for politicians on the basis of their party manifesto which I accept will only ever be about direction of travel and cannot include details such as pools and planning applications. Once done I judge them on what they do and hold them to account at the next election. I do not expect them to keep coming back wasting my taxes on asking me a load of questions. Mr Williams, you were duly elected (by a large majority) strap a pair on and do your bloody job! While we are at it, I expect councillors elected as Labour to vote with Labour. If they don't they must resign and go back to the electorate. After all, if they are right about their local issue they will be re-elected as independents or whatever with even bigger majorities won't they?[/p][/quote]You are quite right, Governments and Councils are not, and should not, be run by copious referendum. . Councils, Govts, MPs and Councillors will be judged by the electorate on their overall tenure not on a piecemeal basis. . The current demand and desire for a plebiscite on "every" issue is ridiculous. . Cllr Williams is playing vanity politics by introducing one for the Helius issue and Cllr Moulton's stance is even more ridiculous. . You don't call for a referendum on every Council decision. The Watcher
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12:55pm Wed 11 Jul 12

Over the Edge says...

Tory group deputy leader Jeremy Moulton said residents in Coxford and Redbridge should be given a vote.

Just like you gave the residents of Southampton a choice over the Sea City Museum.

The pool is loss making, that is probably why Cllr Moulton couldn't sell it off the Active Nation, like the other pool's in the city.
Tory group deputy leader Jeremy Moulton said residents in Coxford and Redbridge should be given a vote. Just like you gave the residents of Southampton a choice over the Sea City Museum. The pool is loss making, that is probably why Cllr Moulton couldn't sell it off the Active Nation, like the other pool's in the city. Over the Edge
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1:22pm Wed 11 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

If there are Referendums created, anyone voting should do so on personal grounds, not Political dictate. Also a wider area of voters not just those affected locally.
If there are Referendums created, anyone voting should do so on personal grounds, not Political dictate. Also a wider area of voters not just those affected locally. OSPREYSAINT
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1:25pm Wed 11 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Over the Edge wrote:
Tory group deputy leader Jeremy Moulton said residents in Coxford and Redbridge should be given a vote.

Just like you gave the residents of Southampton a choice over the Sea City Museum.

The pool is loss making, that is probably why Cllr Moulton couldn't sell it off the Active Nation, like the other pool's in the city.
What's the chances of it being turned into an Ice Rink!
[quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: Tory group deputy leader Jeremy Moulton said residents in Coxford and Redbridge should be given a vote. Just like you gave the residents of Southampton a choice over the Sea City Museum. The pool is loss making, that is probably why Cllr Moulton couldn't sell it off the Active Nation, like the other pool's in the city.[/p][/quote]What's the chances of it being turned into an Ice Rink! OSPREYSAINT
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1:45pm Wed 11 Jul 12

HillsidePaul says...

Can we have a referendum on who runs the City...Oh! I forgot we have one of those every year, it's called an election.

Richard you have been elected with a big majority.

Kindly get on with it and stop suggesting stupid referendums on issues that the City Council has no decision making powers over. We will judge you at the next City wide referendum (sorry Election) on how you have done.
Can we have a referendum on who runs the City...Oh! I forgot we have one of those every year, it's called an election. Richard you have been elected with a big majority. Kindly get on with it and stop suggesting stupid referendums on issues that the City Council has no decision making powers over. We will judge you at the next City wide referendum (sorry Election) on how you have done. HillsidePaul
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2:57pm Wed 11 Jul 12

Linesman says...

As a matter of interest, can anyone let me know how many referendums Royston Smith held?

I can't recall any.

Could it possibly be that he never made a controversial decision?
As a matter of interest, can anyone let me know how many referendums Royston Smith held? I can't recall any. Could it possibly be that he never made a controversial decision? Linesman
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3:06pm Wed 11 Jul 12

Over the Edge says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
Tory group deputy leader Jeremy Moulton said residents in Coxford and Redbridge should be given a vote.

Just like you gave the residents of Southampton a choice over the Sea City Museum.

The pool is loss making, that is probably why Cllr Moulton couldn't sell it off the Active Nation, like the other pool's in the city.
What's the chances of it being turned into an Ice Rink!
Let's have referendum to find out?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: Tory group deputy leader Jeremy Moulton said residents in Coxford and Redbridge should be given a vote. Just like you gave the residents of Southampton a choice over the Sea City Museum. The pool is loss making, that is probably why Cllr Moulton couldn't sell it off the Active Nation, like the other pool's in the city.[/p][/quote]What's the chances of it being turned into an Ice Rink![/p][/quote]Let's have referendum to find out? Over the Edge
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3:06pm Wed 11 Jul 12

Over the Edge says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
Tory group deputy leader Jeremy Moulton said residents in Coxford and Redbridge should be given a vote.

Just like you gave the residents of Southampton a choice over the Sea City Museum.

The pool is loss making, that is probably why Cllr Moulton couldn't sell it off the Active Nation, like the other pool's in the city.
What's the chances of it being turned into an Ice Rink!
Let's have referendum to find out?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: Tory group deputy leader Jeremy Moulton said residents in Coxford and Redbridge should be given a vote. Just like you gave the residents of Southampton a choice over the Sea City Museum. The pool is loss making, that is probably why Cllr Moulton couldn't sell it off the Active Nation, like the other pool's in the city.[/p][/quote]What's the chances of it being turned into an Ice Rink![/p][/quote]Let's have referendum to find out? Over the Edge
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3:08pm Wed 11 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Over the Edge wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
Tory group deputy leader Jeremy Moulton said residents in Coxford and Redbridge should be given a vote.

Just like you gave the residents of Southampton a choice over the Sea City Museum.

The pool is loss making, that is probably why Cllr Moulton couldn't sell it off the Active Nation, like the other pool's in the city.
What's the chances of it being turned into an Ice Rink!
Let's have referendum to find out?
Good idea will you sponsor it? Shouldn't cost too much.....
[quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: Tory group deputy leader Jeremy Moulton said residents in Coxford and Redbridge should be given a vote. Just like you gave the residents of Southampton a choice over the Sea City Museum. The pool is loss making, that is probably why Cllr Moulton couldn't sell it off the Active Nation, like the other pool's in the city.[/p][/quote]What's the chances of it being turned into an Ice Rink![/p][/quote]Let's have referendum to find out?[/p][/quote]Good idea will you sponsor it? Shouldn't cost too much..... OSPREYSAINT
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3:10pm Wed 11 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
On the inside wrote:
Richard Williams has brought this on himself. I vote for politicians on the basis of their party manifesto which I accept will only ever be about direction of travel and cannot include details such as pools and planning applications. Once done I judge them on what they do and hold them to account at the next election. I do not expect them to keep coming back wasting my taxes on asking me a load of questions.

Mr Williams, you were duly elected (by a large majority) strap a pair on and do your bloody job!

While we are at it, I expect councillors elected as Labour to vote with Labour. If they don't they must resign and go back to the electorate. After all, if they are right about their local issue they will be re-elected as independents or whatever with even bigger majorities won't they?
Agree with your last para.

Party unity in the chamber is required, but why is it lacking in local NuLabour Group?

It is the lousy leadership. Rather than acting like Dear Leader of North Korea, Cllr. Williams should learn from somebody like Alan Whitehead who was by far the best Leader this Council had during last few decades.

Williams may be good at making money for himself, and may even be a likeable person, but he flip flops too much and wants to be loved and cuddled by all. 

Why could he not show the door to self confessed liar Keith Morrell for causing embrassment? And to Rayment for clearing a false statement without reading it properly? Is it because there is more to that mess than has actually come out?

Alan Whitehead led a Group, which consisted of very much right wingers like John Arnold and others on real left like me and Brian Roost. Most of his members were well informed full of independent ideas and vocal, while Wlliams the Dear Leader is only leading mostly sheep and some brainless wonders on ego trips.  But how could Alan make his lot work as a team while Dear Leader Williams so far has miserably failed?

NuLabour should face the fact, and put somebody better in charge. But have they got one in Council? Surely they are not all like Noon....
What we need is a good coalition to make properly thought out decisons, oh! wait....
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: Richard Williams has brought this on himself. I vote for politicians on the basis of their party manifesto which I accept will only ever be about direction of travel and cannot include details such as pools and planning applications. Once done I judge them on what they do and hold them to account at the next election. I do not expect them to keep coming back wasting my taxes on asking me a load of questions. Mr Williams, you were duly elected (by a large majority) strap a pair on and do your bloody job! While we are at it, I expect councillors elected as Labour to vote with Labour. If they don't they must resign and go back to the electorate. After all, if they are right about their local issue they will be re-elected as independents or whatever with even bigger majorities won't they?[/p][/quote]Agree with your last para. Party unity in the chamber is required, but why is it lacking in local NuLabour Group? It is the lousy leadership. Rather than acting like Dear Leader of North Korea, Cllr. Williams should learn from somebody like Alan Whitehead who was by far the best Leader this Council had during last few decades. Williams may be good at making money for himself, and may even be a likeable person, but he flip flops too much and wants to be loved and cuddled by all.  Why could he not show the door to self confessed liar Keith Morrell for causing embrassment? And to Rayment for clearing a false statement without reading it properly? Is it because there is more to that mess than has actually come out? Alan Whitehead led a Group, which consisted of very much right wingers like John Arnold and others on real left like me and Brian Roost. Most of his members were well informed full of independent ideas and vocal, while Wlliams the Dear Leader is only leading mostly sheep and some brainless wonders on ego trips.  But how could Alan make his lot work as a team while Dear Leader Williams so far has miserably failed? NuLabour should face the fact, and put somebody better in charge. But have they got one in Council? Surely they are not all like Noon....[/p][/quote]What we need is a good coalition to make properly thought out decisons, oh! wait.... OSPREYSAINT
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4:32pm Wed 11 Jul 12

southy says...

Linesman wrote:
As a matter of interest, can anyone let me know how many referendums Royston Smith held?

I can't recall any.

Could it possibly be that he never made a controversial decision?
oh he made loads of them Royston just shotgunn over every one to get his way.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: As a matter of interest, can anyone let me know how many referendums Royston Smith held? I can't recall any. Could it possibly be that he never made a controversial decision?[/p][/quote]oh he made loads of them Royston just shotgunn over every one to get his way. southy
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4:35pm Wed 11 Jul 12

southy says...

Smilzo wrote:
IssacJacobs wrote:
I for one am glad that the pool is closing. How on earth can the council justify keeping open a loss making pool?

I know a lifeguard that works at the pool and for the past few weeks they have been going into work watching DVD’s and being paid for it! Why did they not spend their time looking for a new job?

If elderly or disabled people want to go swimming then pay to go to a private pool like everyone else. Don’t expect the state to do that for you.
Is it better to subsidise a local amenity for £235,000 a year (very roughly £140 per week per employee) and provide local employment, with benefits for the local economy, and a means of people socialising and keeping fit, or to spend that money on dole payments and let people rot away, both socially and physically, with all the later costs of social breakdown and increased health problems that result?
At lest your thinking in the right direction, the thing to add to that making people unemployed also results in less Council Tax being paid in, and more Housing Benefit paid out, as well a drop in the local economy spending.
[quote][p][bold]Smilzo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IssacJacobs[/bold] wrote: I for one am glad that the pool is closing. How on earth can the council justify keeping open a loss making pool? I know a lifeguard that works at the pool and for the past few weeks they have been going into work watching DVD’s and being paid for it! Why did they not spend their time looking for a new job? If elderly or disabled people want to go swimming then pay to go to a private pool like everyone else. Don’t expect the state to do that for you.[/p][/quote]Is it better to subsidise a local amenity for £235,000 a year (very roughly £140 per week per employee) and provide local employment, with benefits for the local economy, and a means of people socialising and keeping fit, or to spend that money on dole payments and let people rot away, both socially and physically, with all the later costs of social breakdown and increased health problems that result?[/p][/quote]At lest your thinking in the right direction, the thing to add to that making people unemployed also results in less Council Tax being paid in, and more Housing Benefit paid out, as well a drop in the local economy spending. southy
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4:39pm Wed 11 Jul 12

southy says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
If there are Referendums created, anyone voting should do so on personal grounds, not Political dictate. Also a wider area of voters not just those affected locally.
These referendums would be on a personal note and would be political.
But what it should not be is being one sided party voting.
Any way if this came to a referendum for the Coxford Ward its like to go against the Labour party is saying now and what the Tory party implented when they was in office.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: If there are Referendums created, anyone voting should do so on personal grounds, not Political dictate. Also a wider area of voters not just those affected locally.[/p][/quote]These referendums would be on a personal note and would be political. But what it should not be is being one sided party voting. Any way if this came to a referendum for the Coxford Ward its like to go against the Labour party is saying now and what the Tory party implented when they was in office. southy
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4:44pm Wed 11 Jul 12

Lone Ranger. says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
Tory group deputy leader Jeremy Moulton said residents in Coxford and Redbridge should be given a vote.

Just like you gave the residents of Southampton a choice over the Sea City Museum.

The pool is loss making, that is probably why Cllr Moulton couldn't sell it off the Active Nation, like the other pool's in the city.
What's the chances of it being turned into an Ice Rink!
There is every chance this will happen.
.
Due to global warming this is likely to happen on August Bank Holiday 2012 .......
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: Tory group deputy leader Jeremy Moulton said residents in Coxford and Redbridge should be given a vote. Just like you gave the residents of Southampton a choice over the Sea City Museum. The pool is loss making, that is probably why Cllr Moulton couldn't sell it off the Active Nation, like the other pool's in the city.[/p][/quote]What's the chances of it being turned into an Ice Rink![/p][/quote]There is every chance this will happen. . Due to global warming this is likely to happen on August Bank Holiday 2012 ....... Lone Ranger.
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4:48pm Wed 11 Jul 12

Lone Ranger. says...

Perhaps if the Tory Council had bothered to chase up the £9m outstanding from Council Tax then this issue may not have arisen.
.
Indeed there are many cutbacks and redundacies that need not have happened if they had ensured that late and non payers were persued.
.
Even more waste and incompetence from the dreadful Tory council.
.
Notice that the Echo didnt run it online last night or today ...... Probably didnt want to emabarass the Tories too much
Perhaps if the Tory Council had bothered to chase up the £9m outstanding from Council Tax then this issue may not have arisen. . Indeed there are many cutbacks and redundacies that need not have happened if they had ensured that late and non payers were persued. . Even more waste and incompetence from the dreadful Tory council. . Notice that the Echo didnt run it online last night or today ...... Probably didnt want to emabarass the Tories too much Lone Ranger.
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5:14pm Wed 11 Jul 12

southy says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
Tory group deputy leader Jeremy Moulton said residents in Coxford and Redbridge should be given a vote.

Just like you gave the residents of Southampton a choice over the Sea City Museum.

The pool is loss making, that is probably why Cllr Moulton couldn't sell it off the Active Nation, like the other pool's in the city.
What's the chances of it being turned into an Ice Rink!
There is every chance this will happen.
.
Due to global warming this is likely to happen on August Bank Holiday 2012 .......
**** I though be on 21-12-21
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: Tory group deputy leader Jeremy Moulton said residents in Coxford and Redbridge should be given a vote. Just like you gave the residents of Southampton a choice over the Sea City Museum. The pool is loss making, that is probably why Cllr Moulton couldn't sell it off the Active Nation, like the other pool's in the city.[/p][/quote]What's the chances of it being turned into an Ice Rink![/p][/quote]There is every chance this will happen. . Due to global warming this is likely to happen on August Bank Holiday 2012 .......[/p][/quote]**** I though be on 21-12-21 southy
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5:15pm Wed 11 Jul 12

southy says...

dam I though it be on the 21-12-12 mind you I think 12-12-12 would be a better date
dam I though it be on the 21-12-12 mind you I think 12-12-12 would be a better date southy
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5:19pm Wed 11 Jul 12

southy says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Perhaps if the Tory Council had bothered to chase up the £9m outstanding from Council Tax then this issue may not have arisen.
.
Indeed there are many cutbacks and redundacies that need not have happened if they had ensured that late and non payers were persued.
.
Even more waste and incompetence from the dreadful Tory council.
.
Notice that the Echo didnt run it online last night or today ...... Probably didnt want to emabarass the Tories too much
Council meeting was today, interesting one, just a shame i had to miss the fireworks at the very end of the meeting
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Perhaps if the Tory Council had bothered to chase up the £9m outstanding from Council Tax then this issue may not have arisen. . Indeed there are many cutbacks and redundacies that need not have happened if they had ensured that late and non payers were persued. . Even more waste and incompetence from the dreadful Tory council. . Notice that the Echo didnt run it online last night or today ...... Probably didnt want to emabarass the Tories too much[/p][/quote]Council meeting was today, interesting one, just a shame i had to miss the fireworks at the very end of the meeting southy
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6:11pm Wed 11 Jul 12

SpicersVoice says...

southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Perhaps if the Tory Council had bothered to chase up the £9m outstanding from Council Tax then this issue may not have arisen.
.
Indeed there are many cutbacks and redundacies that need not have happened if they had ensured that late and non payers were persued.
.
Even more waste and incompetence from the dreadful Tory council.
.
Notice that the Echo didnt run it online last night or today ...... Probably didnt want to emabarass the Tories too much
Council meeting was today, interesting one, just a shame i had to miss the fireworks at the very end of the meeting
One day I would love to see a Council meeting. I hope Oaklands will be saved and no doubt we will read about it tomorrow. fingers cross.
I agree too much money has been wasted or not collected.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Perhaps if the Tory Council had bothered to chase up the £9m outstanding from Council Tax then this issue may not have arisen. . Indeed there are many cutbacks and redundacies that need not have happened if they had ensured that late and non payers were persued. . Even more waste and incompetence from the dreadful Tory council. . Notice that the Echo didnt run it online last night or today ...... Probably didnt want to emabarass the Tories too much[/p][/quote]Council meeting was today, interesting one, just a shame i had to miss the fireworks at the very end of the meeting[/p][/quote]One day I would love to see a Council meeting. I hope Oaklands will be saved and no doubt we will read about it tomorrow. fingers cross. I agree too much money has been wasted or not collected. SpicersVoice
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7:08pm Wed 11 Jul 12

OceansofRed says...

I am grately amused by the excuses trotted out by people for the fact that Labour duped the electorate and have now closed a much loved pool. This is depiste Labour over the years campaigning to save said swimming pool from closure.
I am grately amused by the excuses trotted out by people for the fact that Labour duped the electorate and have now closed a much loved pool. This is depiste Labour over the years campaigning to save said swimming pool from closure. OceansofRed
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7:53pm Wed 11 Jul 12

lordshill loyal says...

issaacjacobs get a life.over 70,000 people use that pool.and i am one of them.the pool is a great asset to the people of lordshill.old disabled and young love the place.if successive councils had maintained the place ,we wouldnt be in this mess now.the money could be easily found if the council stop wasting money on so called improved road works.like the complete waste of money that they used to replace two easily to maintain roundabouts outside david lloyds and installing a four way set of traffic lights which cost a fortune and will cost a lot to maintain.the people of lordshill and surrounding areas will not allow this to happen.SAVE OAKLANDS SWIMMING POOL.
issaacjacobs get a life.over 70,000 people use that pool.and i am one of them.the pool is a great asset to the people of lordshill.old disabled and young love the place.if successive councils had maintained the place ,we wouldnt be in this mess now.the money could be easily found if the council stop wasting money on so called improved road works.like the complete waste of money that they used to replace two easily to maintain roundabouts outside david lloyds and installing a four way set of traffic lights which cost a fortune and will cost a lot to maintain.the people of lordshill and surrounding areas will not allow this to happen.SAVE OAKLANDS SWIMMING POOL. lordshill loyal
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8:18pm Wed 11 Jul 12

SpicersVoice says...

lordshill loyal wrote:
issaacjacobs get a life.over 70,000 people use that pool.and i am one of them.the pool is a great asset to the people of lordshill.old disabled and young love the place.if successive councils had maintained the place ,we wouldnt be in this mess now.the money could be easily found if the council stop wasting money on so called improved road works.like the complete waste of money that they used to replace two easily to maintain roundabouts outside david lloyds and installing a four way set of traffic lights which cost a fortune and will cost a lot to maintain.the people of lordshill and surrounding areas will not allow this to happen.SAVE OAKLANDS SWIMMING POOL.
I agree. Save the Pool
[quote][p][bold]lordshill loyal[/bold] wrote: issaacjacobs get a life.over 70,000 people use that pool.and i am one of them.the pool is a great asset to the people of lordshill.old disabled and young love the place.if successive councils had maintained the place ,we wouldnt be in this mess now.the money could be easily found if the council stop wasting money on so called improved road works.like the complete waste of money that they used to replace two easily to maintain roundabouts outside david lloyds and installing a four way set of traffic lights which cost a fortune and will cost a lot to maintain.the people of lordshill and surrounding areas will not allow this to happen.SAVE OAKLANDS SWIMMING POOL.[/p][/quote]I agree. Save the Pool SpicersVoice
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8:59pm Wed 11 Jul 12

southy says...

SpicersVoice wrote:
lordshill loyal wrote:
issaacjacobs get a life.over 70,000 people use that pool.and i am one of them.the pool is a great asset to the people of lordshill.old disabled and young love the place.if successive councils had maintained the place ,we wouldnt be in this mess now.the money could be easily found if the council stop wasting money on so called improved road works.like the complete waste of money that they used to replace two easily to maintain roundabouts outside david lloyds and installing a four way set of traffic lights which cost a fortune and will cost a lot to maintain.the people of lordshill and surrounding areas will not allow this to happen.SAVE OAKLANDS SWIMMING POOL.
I agree. Save the Pool
Theres a chance that the SP and TUSC will be at Sainsburys on Sat colletting signatures for the petition, if any are about and want to sign it pop on by.
[quote][p][bold]SpicersVoice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lordshill loyal[/bold] wrote: issaacjacobs get a life.over 70,000 people use that pool.and i am one of them.the pool is a great asset to the people of lordshill.old disabled and young love the place.if successive councils had maintained the place ,we wouldnt be in this mess now.the money could be easily found if the council stop wasting money on so called improved road works.like the complete waste of money that they used to replace two easily to maintain roundabouts outside david lloyds and installing a four way set of traffic lights which cost a fortune and will cost a lot to maintain.the people of lordshill and surrounding areas will not allow this to happen.SAVE OAKLANDS SWIMMING POOL.[/p][/quote]I agree. Save the Pool[/p][/quote]Theres a chance that the SP and TUSC will be at Sainsburys on Sat colletting signatures for the petition, if any are about and want to sign it pop on by. southy
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9:09pm Wed 11 Jul 12

IronLady2010 says...

I have never used this Pool nor do I live within the area so maybe I shouldn't be commenting? But I agree the pool should stay open and the Council should look into ways of making it profit making.

On one hand we're being told by the government to keep fit and have plenty of exercise and on the other we're closing swimming pools.

Surely, we should look at ways of turning the loss into profit in order to keep this open?

I don't know, is their space to rent an area to say Costa Coffee or similar? As I say, I don't know the venue, but support it staying open!
I have never used this Pool nor do I live within the area so maybe I shouldn't be commenting? But I agree the pool should stay open and the Council should look into ways of making it profit making. On one hand we're being told by the government to keep fit and have plenty of exercise and on the other we're closing swimming pools. Surely, we should look at ways of turning the loss into profit in order to keep this open? I don't know, is their space to rent an area to say Costa Coffee or similar? As I say, I don't know the venue, but support it staying open! IronLady2010
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9:20pm Wed 11 Jul 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

SpicersVoice wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Perhaps if the Tory Council had bothered to chase up the £9m outstanding from Council Tax then this issue may not have arisen.
.
Indeed there are many cutbacks and redundacies that need not have happened if they had ensured that late and non payers were persued.
.
Even more waste and incompetence from the dreadful Tory council.
.
Notice that the Echo didnt run it online last night or today ...... Probably didnt want to emabarass the Tories too much
Council meeting was today, interesting one, just a shame i had to miss the fireworks at the very end of the meeting
One day I would love to see a Council meeting. I hope Oaklands will be saved and no doubt we will read about it tomorrow. fingers cross.
I agree too much money has been wasted or not collected.
Socialist Cllr. Don Thomas made an exceptionally inspiring speech, in favour of Oaklands. During the same debate he also said that he will also be voting against the Mini Budget, which contains all kind of cuts all over the place.

Cllr. Keith Morrell also spoke well in support of saving the pool. Well researched speech based on facts and figures, pity he ran out of time and Mayor stopped him mid flight.

Third councillor for Coxford, Sally Spicer, who other day was making inspiring statements to save the pool, along with Keith and Don???? Let me have some iced drink for a minute!....

To put it politely she made a complete U Turn and in my view has opted to get in the good books of 'Dear Leader'. She has sacrificed the interests of her constituents at the alter of NuLabour's slaughter house of cuts; by metaphorically speaking creeping into the back side of Closet Conservatives known as NuLabourites; who these days have shifted so much to the right that even Smith has started to appear sane and on their left.

For whatever reasons Tories raised this issue in the Council, in all fairness I have to appreciate their action on this one.

Hats off to Don and Keith and as their constituent my thanks to them both.
[quote][p][bold]SpicersVoice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Perhaps if the Tory Council had bothered to chase up the £9m outstanding from Council Tax then this issue may not have arisen. . Indeed there are many cutbacks and redundacies that need not have happened if they had ensured that late and non payers were persued. . Even more waste and incompetence from the dreadful Tory council. . Notice that the Echo didnt run it online last night or today ...... Probably didnt want to emabarass the Tories too much[/p][/quote]Council meeting was today, interesting one, just a shame i had to miss the fireworks at the very end of the meeting[/p][/quote]One day I would love to see a Council meeting. I hope Oaklands will be saved and no doubt we will read about it tomorrow. fingers cross. I agree too much money has been wasted or not collected.[/p][/quote]Socialist Cllr. Don Thomas made an exceptionally inspiring speech, in favour of Oaklands. During the same debate he also said that he will also be voting against the Mini Budget, which contains all kind of cuts all over the place. Cllr. Keith Morrell also spoke well in support of saving the pool. Well researched speech based on facts and figures, pity he ran out of time and Mayor stopped him mid flight. Third councillor for Coxford, Sally Spicer, who other day was making inspiring statements to save the pool, along with Keith and Don???? Let me have some iced drink for a minute!.... To put it politely she made a complete U Turn and in my view has opted to get in the good books of 'Dear Leader'. She has sacrificed the interests of her constituents at the alter of NuLabour's slaughter house of cuts; by metaphorically speaking creeping into the back side of Closet Conservatives known as NuLabourites; who these days have shifted so much to the right that even Smith has started to appear sane and on their left. For whatever reasons Tories raised this issue in the Council, in all fairness I have to appreciate their action on this one. Hats off to Don and Keith and as their constituent my thanks to them both. Paramjit Bahia
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9:33pm Wed 11 Jul 12

Over the Edge says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
Tory group deputy leader Jeremy Moulton said residents in Coxford and Redbridge should be given a vote.

Just like you gave the residents of Southampton a choice over the Sea City Museum.

The pool is loss making, that is probably why Cllr Moulton couldn't sell it off the Active Nation, like the other pool's in the city.
What's the chances of it being turned into an Ice Rink!
Let's have referendum to find out?
Good idea will you sponsor it? Shouldn't cost too much.....
I have better things to spend my money, I voted to allow councillors to make decision on my behalf, not to waste money on referendums, I believe in listening to residents, that's why we have councillors, the ward councillors should canvas public opinion (door knocking) in the ward and vote accordingly.

I think it's a bit rich, the Tories calling for referendums, especially when their leader never listened to anyone other than himself all the time he was leader of the council, so much he took over the roles of councillors who didn't agree with him.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: Tory group deputy leader Jeremy Moulton said residents in Coxford and Redbridge should be given a vote. Just like you gave the residents of Southampton a choice over the Sea City Museum. The pool is loss making, that is probably why Cllr Moulton couldn't sell it off the Active Nation, like the other pool's in the city.[/p][/quote]What's the chances of it being turned into an Ice Rink![/p][/quote]Let's have referendum to find out?[/p][/quote]Good idea will you sponsor it? Shouldn't cost too much.....[/p][/quote]I have better things to spend my money, I voted to allow councillors to make decision on my behalf, not to waste money on referendums, I believe in listening to residents, that's why we have councillors, the ward councillors should canvas public opinion (door knocking) in the ward and vote accordingly. I think it's a bit rich, the Tories calling for referendums, especially when their leader never listened to anyone other than himself all the time he was leader of the council, so much he took over the roles of councillors who didn't agree with him. Over the Edge
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9:34pm Wed 11 Jul 12

Over the Edge says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
Tory group deputy leader Jeremy Moulton said residents in Coxford and Redbridge should be given a vote.

Just like you gave the residents of Southampton a choice over the Sea City Museum.

The pool is loss making, that is probably why Cllr Moulton couldn't sell it off the Active Nation, like the other pool's in the city.
What's the chances of it being turned into an Ice Rink!
There is every chance this will happen.
.
Due to global warming this is likely to happen on August Bank Holiday 2012 .......
Great at least it won't be raining
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: Tory group deputy leader Jeremy Moulton said residents in Coxford and Redbridge should be given a vote. Just like you gave the residents of Southampton a choice over the Sea City Museum. The pool is loss making, that is probably why Cllr Moulton couldn't sell it off the Active Nation, like the other pool's in the city.[/p][/quote]What's the chances of it being turned into an Ice Rink![/p][/quote]There is every chance this will happen. . Due to global warming this is likely to happen on August Bank Holiday 2012 .......[/p][/quote]Great at least it won't be raining Over the Edge
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9:38pm Wed 11 Jul 12

Over the Edge says...

lordshill loyal wrote:
issaacjacobs get a life.over 70,000 people use that pool.and i am one of them.the pool is a great asset to the people of lordshill.old disabled and young love the place.if successive councils had maintained the place ,we wouldnt be in this mess now.the money could be easily found if the council stop wasting money on so called improved road works.like the complete waste of money that they used to replace two easily to maintain roundabouts outside david lloyds and installing a four way set of traffic lights which cost a fortune and will cost a lot to maintain.the people of lordshill and surrounding areas will not allow this to happen.SAVE OAKLANDS SWIMMING POOL.
I would ask the council/local councillors if they could lobby for an asset transfer to a local community organisation, they can do it, but they don't like you, me or anyone about it.
[quote][p][bold]lordshill loyal[/bold] wrote: issaacjacobs get a life.over 70,000 people use that pool.and i am one of them.the pool is a great asset to the people of lordshill.old disabled and young love the place.if successive councils had maintained the place ,we wouldnt be in this mess now.the money could be easily found if the council stop wasting money on so called improved road works.like the complete waste of money that they used to replace two easily to maintain roundabouts outside david lloyds and installing a four way set of traffic lights which cost a fortune and will cost a lot to maintain.the people of lordshill and surrounding areas will not allow this to happen.SAVE OAKLANDS SWIMMING POOL.[/p][/quote]I would ask the council/local councillors if they could lobby for an asset transfer to a local community organisation, they can do it, but they don't like you, me or anyone about it. Over the Edge
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10:14pm Wed 11 Jul 12

The Watcher says...

Over the Edge wrote:
lordshill loyal wrote:
issaacjacobs get a life.over 70,000 people use that pool.and i am one of them.the pool is a great asset to the people of lordshill.old disabled and young love the place.if successive councils had maintained the place ,we wouldnt be in this mess now.the money could be easily found if the council stop wasting money on so called improved road works.like the complete waste of money that they used to replace two easily to maintain roundabouts outside david lloyds and installing a four way set of traffic lights which cost a fortune and will cost a lot to maintain.the people of lordshill and surrounding areas will not allow this to happen.SAVE OAKLANDS SWIMMING POOL.
I would ask the council/local councillors if they could lobby for an asset transfer to a local community organisation, they can do it, but they don't like you, me or anyone about it.
Two words...
.
Big Society.
.
Ideal project for people to get behind.
[quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lordshill loyal[/bold] wrote: issaacjacobs get a life.over 70,000 people use that pool.and i am one of them.the pool is a great asset to the people of lordshill.old disabled and young love the place.if successive councils had maintained the place ,we wouldnt be in this mess now.the money could be easily found if the council stop wasting money on so called improved road works.like the complete waste of money that they used to replace two easily to maintain roundabouts outside david lloyds and installing a four way set of traffic lights which cost a fortune and will cost a lot to maintain.the people of lordshill and surrounding areas will not allow this to happen.SAVE OAKLANDS SWIMMING POOL.[/p][/quote]I would ask the council/local councillors if they could lobby for an asset transfer to a local community organisation, they can do it, but they don't like you, me or anyone about it.[/p][/quote]Two words... . Big Society. . Ideal project for people to get behind. The Watcher
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10:16pm Wed 11 Jul 12

SotonGreen says...

We had a referendum recently it was called the local elections. If memory serves both these wards elected Labour councillors. Reap what ye sow lads n lasses.
We had a referendum recently it was called the local elections. If memory serves both these wards elected Labour councillors. Reap what ye sow lads n lasses. SotonGreen
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10:51pm Wed 11 Jul 12

IronLady2010 says...

SotonGreen wrote:
We had a referendum recently it was called the local elections. If memory serves both these wards elected Labour councillors. Reap what ye sow lads n lasses.
Those local elections one could suggest were rigged??? (Note I say 'suggest' before I have Law Suits taken against me).

Union members were no doubt asking family members and friends who never usually vote to vote Labour.

No, I'm not bitter before the usual start on my case, it's just an honest opinion which I am entitled to.

When Labour took over I was one of the first to say welcome and I look forward to the continued improvements, but to be fair, so far we've had new jobs made for the rich boys, stupid schemes dreamt up, this Dragon's Den suggestion, have you seen how much funding they've allocated? Threats of pool closures and job losses and they haven't even started on the genuine cuts, remember they still have to find funds to restore pay to workers that they promised.

I know we're getting lots of rain, but it's only water, not money!
[quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: We had a referendum recently it was called the local elections. If memory serves both these wards elected Labour councillors. Reap what ye sow lads n lasses.[/p][/quote]Those local elections one could suggest were rigged??? (Note I say 'suggest' before I have Law Suits taken against me). Union members were no doubt asking family members and friends who never usually vote to vote Labour. No, I'm not bitter before the usual start on my case, it's just an honest opinion which I am entitled to. When Labour took over I was one of the first to say welcome and I look forward to the continued improvements, but to be fair, so far we've had new jobs made for the rich boys, stupid schemes dreamt up, this Dragon's Den suggestion, have you seen how much funding they've allocated? Threats of pool closures and job losses and they haven't even started on the genuine cuts, remember they still have to find funds to restore pay to workers that they promised. I know we're getting lots of rain, but it's only water, not money! IronLady2010
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11:02pm Wed 11 Jul 12

arthur dalyrimple says...

very unfair ,they need to have a wash somewhere.
very unfair ,they need to have a wash somewhere. arthur dalyrimple
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11:25pm Wed 11 Jul 12

SotonGreen says...

They weren't rigged iron lady. They were abandoned to the special interest groups by the vast majority who simply didnt care enough to take part.
They weren't rigged iron lady. They were abandoned to the special interest groups by the vast majority who simply didnt care enough to take part. SotonGreen
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11:34pm Wed 11 Jul 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

SotonGreen wrote:
We had a referendum recently it was called the local elections. If memory serves both these wards elected Labour councillors. Reap what ye sow lads n lasses.
Although I did not vote NuLabour but for TUSC candidate, as voter in Coxford I can only say that on this issue two councillors (Don Thomas and Keith Morrell) served their constituents very well. Don has always done that all the time on many other issues even when he was not a councillor.

At today's Council meeting both Don and Keith not only spoke against closing the pool they also voted against their own NuLabour colleagues.

Both of them also voted against NuLabour's 'Mini Budget' which contains all kind of cuts in other areas of council.

Sometime you tend to give into cheap Lib-Dem style opportunism without checking facts. As you seem to have done by posting this cheap pot shot. 

Unfortunately this approach can only end up in damaging the important causes in which Green Party very rightly believes, and admirably campaigns for.

Hope you do not mind constructive criticism from a socialist with massive respect for Greens.
[quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: We had a referendum recently it was called the local elections. If memory serves both these wards elected Labour councillors. Reap what ye sow lads n lasses.[/p][/quote]Although I did not vote NuLabour but for TUSC candidate, as voter in Coxford I can only say that on this issue two councillors (Don Thomas and Keith Morrell) served their constituents very well. Don has always done that all the time on many other issues even when he was not a councillor. At today's Council meeting both Don and Keith not only spoke against closing the pool they also voted against their own NuLabour colleagues. Both of them also voted against NuLabour's 'Mini Budget' which contains all kind of cuts in other areas of council. Sometime you tend to give into cheap Lib-Dem style opportunism without checking facts. As you seem to have done by posting this cheap pot shot.  Unfortunately this approach can only end up in damaging the important causes in which Green Party very rightly believes, and admirably campaigns for. Hope you do not mind constructive criticism from a socialist with massive respect for Greens. Paramjit Bahia
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11:42pm Wed 11 Jul 12

SotonGreen says...

Not really my point stands the people of Coxford and redbridge voted in a labour administration as did the rest of Southampton. Labour have always screwed over their core supporters in favour of special interests, this is no different. The fact that Don Thomas voted against is meaningless given he knew that the measure would pass.
Not really my point stands the people of Coxford and redbridge voted in a labour administration as did the rest of Southampton. Labour have always screwed over their core supporters in favour of special interests, this is no different. The fact that Don Thomas voted against is meaningless given he knew that the measure would pass. SotonGreen
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12:14am Thu 12 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Over the Edge wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Over the Edge wrote: Tory group deputy leader Jeremy Moulton said residents in Coxford and Redbridge should be given a vote. Just like you gave the residents of Southampton a choice over the Sea City Museum. The pool is loss making, that is probably why Cllr Moulton couldn't sell it off the Active Nation, like the other pool's in the city.
What's the chances of it being turned into an Ice Rink!
There is every chance this will happen. . Due to global warming this is likely to happen on August Bank Holiday 2012 .......
Great at least it won't be raining
Penguins on the Common would be interesting?
[quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: Tory group deputy leader Jeremy Moulton said residents in Coxford and Redbridge should be given a vote. Just like you gave the residents of Southampton a choice over the Sea City Museum. The pool is loss making, that is probably why Cllr Moulton couldn't sell it off the Active Nation, like the other pool's in the city.[/p][/quote]What's the chances of it being turned into an Ice Rink![/p][/quote]There is every chance this will happen. . Due to global warming this is likely to happen on August Bank Holiday 2012 .......[/p][/quote]Great at least it won't be raining[/p][/quote]Penguins on the Common would be interesting? OSPREYSAINT
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12:44am Thu 12 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

SotonGreen wrote:
They weren't rigged iron lady. They were abandoned to the special interest groups by the vast majority who simply didnt care enough to take part.
Of course they weren't rigged, those of us that did vote Labour, did so because we were disillusioned by what we had at the time and were looking for something better overall, not many of us were voting over the closure of one rather run down swimming pool, there are a lot more important things out there to be sorted, but I am with LH on this one and I am sure there is a solution available which could see the Pool remaining open and viable, here is hoping anyway.
[quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: They weren't rigged iron lady. They were abandoned to the special interest groups by the vast majority who simply didnt care enough to take part.[/p][/quote]Of course they weren't rigged, those of us that did vote Labour, did so because we were disillusioned by what we had at the time and were looking for something better overall, not many of us were voting over the closure of one rather run down swimming pool, there are a lot more important things out there to be sorted, but I am with LH on this one and I am sure there is a solution available which could see the Pool remaining open and viable, here is hoping anyway. OSPREYSAINT
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12:58am Thu 12 Jul 12

Poppy22 says...

Why not just have an online poll via this website? And for all SO postcode people, as we'll all be affected, not just people living adjacent to the proposed site.
Instead of dealing with all the world's waste of any type (which we seem to be doing more and more!), how about going back to producing our own crops and goods and shipping our waste over to China etc for them to deal with. We always seem to do things the wrong way round in this country!
Why not just have an online poll via this website? And for all SO postcode people, as we'll all be affected, not just people living adjacent to the proposed site. Instead of dealing with all the world's waste of any type (which we seem to be doing more and more!), how about going back to producing our own crops and goods and shipping our waste over to China etc for them to deal with. We always seem to do things the wrong way round in this country! Poppy22
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1:38am Thu 12 Jul 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

SotonGreen wrote:
Not really my point stands the people of Coxford and redbridge voted in a labour administration as did the rest of Southampton. Labour have always screwed over their core supporters in favour of special interests, this is no different. The fact that Don Thomas voted against is meaningless given he knew that the measure would pass.
That both New and even old Labour has let its core supporters down off and on has element of truth in it.

BUT you are being very unfair to Don. I have known him and his wife for few decades, so can confirm that to the very best of my knowledge what he did today came truly from his most honest heart.

In my mind I am convinced that motives suspected by you were not any part of his calculations. You may recall that other day it was also part of my thinking about all three Coxford councillors. Considering today both Don and Keith voted against their Group and Sally Spicer made a U turn, makes me believe NuLabour Whips must have tried to pressurise them but Don and Keith bravely stood by their constituents.

If there was a calculated trick played by their Group then all three would have voted the same way.
[quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: Not really my point stands the people of Coxford and redbridge voted in a labour administration as did the rest of Southampton. Labour have always screwed over their core supporters in favour of special interests, this is no different. The fact that Don Thomas voted against is meaningless given he knew that the measure would pass.[/p][/quote]That both New and even old Labour has let its core supporters down off and on has element of truth in it. BUT you are being very unfair to Don. I have known him and his wife for few decades, so can confirm that to the very best of my knowledge what he did today came truly from his most honest heart. In my mind I am convinced that motives suspected by you were not any part of his calculations. You may recall that other day it was also part of my thinking about all three Coxford councillors. Considering today both Don and Keith voted against their Group and Sally Spicer made a U turn, makes me believe NuLabour Whips must have tried to pressurise them but Don and Keith bravely stood by their constituents. If there was a calculated trick played by their Group then all three would have voted the same way. Paramjit Bahia
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6:27am Thu 12 Jul 12

SotonGreen says...

I don't think even Don knows what is in his heart. If he did he wouldn't keep flip flopping in and out of the party.

He is a naked popularist in my opinion who lacks any kind of intellectual foundation to underpin his positions and as such cannot be trusted by any local political grouping which ultimately undermines fatally his ability to achieve anything for his constituents.

Fundamentally the same issue applies to your TUSC crowd you are a bunch of bandwagon jumpers, sure you are savvy at spotting the short term political zeitgeist but long term solutions for long term ills ? You are nowhere !
I don't think even Don knows what is in his heart. If he did he wouldn't keep flip flopping in and out of the party. He is a naked popularist in my opinion who lacks any kind of intellectual foundation to underpin his positions and as such cannot be trusted by any local political grouping which ultimately undermines fatally his ability to achieve anything for his constituents. Fundamentally the same issue applies to your TUSC crowd you are a bunch of bandwagon jumpers, sure you are savvy at spotting the short term political zeitgeist but long term solutions for long term ills ? You are nowhere ! SotonGreen
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10:39am Thu 12 Jul 12

sottondave says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Considering only few weeks ago this issue of Millbrook ward was hot topic during local election, NuLabour's Cllr. Dave Funnel and his fellow councillors from that ward should know how strongly their constituents feel against this proposed eye sore and potentially high risk fire hazard. That is if they were listening to people with human rather than usual NuLabour's synthetic ones. Rather than having the guts to stand for people of their area and courage to tell the developers to get lost, NuLabourite Dave well known for being follower of politically dodgy Denham and others have come up with a seductive gimmick, which will cost money, which same lot keep on telling us Council has not got, so is cutting services. While principle of involving people in decision making or policy formation may be desirable, exploiting referendums purely for political purposes is irresponsible. As in this case massive local opposition to this proposed eye sore is well known it will be waste of time and money. Considering NuLabourite Dave Funnel has opened the referendum route, hardly surprising that Tories have decided to use the opportunity for attaching the issue of Oakland pool to same debate. Shows they are no fools. Why did NuLabourites thought of referendum for something in Millbrook and not over permanent closing of swimming pool in Coxford, which was not discussed during election time?  Was it because the lunacy at Oaklands is part of their own heartless immoral and ruthless cuts about which they misled the electorate during election campaign?
Parmi
If you are going to slag me off as least get my surname right. You have known me for over 25 years.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Considering only few weeks ago this issue of Millbrook ward was hot topic during local election, NuLabour's Cllr. Dave Funnel and his fellow councillors from that ward should know how strongly their constituents feel against this proposed eye sore and potentially high risk fire hazard. That is if they were listening to people with human rather than usual NuLabour's synthetic ones. Rather than having the guts to stand for people of their area and courage to tell the developers to get lost, NuLabourite Dave well known for being follower of politically dodgy Denham and others have come up with a seductive gimmick, which will cost money, which same lot keep on telling us Council has not got, so is cutting services. While principle of involving people in decision making or policy formation may be desirable, exploiting referendums purely for political purposes is irresponsible. As in this case massive local opposition to this proposed eye sore is well known it will be waste of time and money. Considering NuLabourite Dave Funnel has opened the referendum route, hardly surprising that Tories have decided to use the opportunity for attaching the issue of Oakland pool to same debate. Shows they are no fools. Why did NuLabourites thought of referendum for something in Millbrook and not over permanent closing of swimming pool in Coxford, which was not discussed during election time?  Was it because the lunacy at Oaklands is part of their own heartless immoral and ruthless cuts about which they misled the electorate during election campaign?[/p][/quote]Parmi If you are going to slag me off as least get my surname right. You have known me for over 25 years. sottondave
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4:54pm Thu 12 Jul 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

sottondave wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Considering only few weeks ago this issue of Millbrook ward was hot topic during local election, NuLabour's Cllr. Dave Funnel and his fellow councillors from that ward should know how strongly their constituents feel against this proposed eye sore and potentially high risk fire hazard. That is if they were listening to people with human rather than usual NuLabour's synthetic ones. Rather than having the guts to stand for people of their area and courage to tell the developers to get lost, NuLabourite Dave well known for being follower of politically dodgy Denham and others have come up with a seductive gimmick, which will cost money, which same lot keep on telling us Council has not got, so is cutting services. While principle of involving people in decision making or policy formation may be desirable, exploiting referendums purely for political purposes is irresponsible. As in this case massive local opposition to this proposed eye sore is well known it will be waste of time and money. Considering NuLabourite Dave Funnel has opened the referendum route, hardly surprising that Tories have decided to use the opportunity for attaching the issue of Oakland pool to same debate. Shows they are no fools. Why did NuLabourites thought of referendum for something in Millbrook and not over permanent closing of swimming pool in Coxford, which was not discussed during election time?  Was it because the lunacy at Oaklands is part of their own heartless immoral and ruthless cuts about which they misled the electorate during election campaign?
Parmi
If you are going to slag me off as least get my surname right. You have known me for over 25 years.
Hi Dave, Please accept my apology if I have spelt your name wrong. Excuse? Old age!
[quote][p][bold]sottondave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Considering only few weeks ago this issue of Millbrook ward was hot topic during local election, NuLabour's Cllr. Dave Funnel and his fellow councillors from that ward should know how strongly their constituents feel against this proposed eye sore and potentially high risk fire hazard. That is if they were listening to people with human rather than usual NuLabour's synthetic ones. Rather than having the guts to stand for people of their area and courage to tell the developers to get lost, NuLabourite Dave well known for being follower of politically dodgy Denham and others have come up with a seductive gimmick, which will cost money, which same lot keep on telling us Council has not got, so is cutting services. While principle of involving people in decision making or policy formation may be desirable, exploiting referendums purely for political purposes is irresponsible. As in this case massive local opposition to this proposed eye sore is well known it will be waste of time and money. Considering NuLabourite Dave Funnel has opened the referendum route, hardly surprising that Tories have decided to use the opportunity for attaching the issue of Oakland pool to same debate. Shows they are no fools. Why did NuLabourites thought of referendum for something in Millbrook and not over permanent closing of swimming pool in Coxford, which was not discussed during election time?  Was it because the lunacy at Oaklands is part of their own heartless immoral and ruthless cuts about which they misled the electorate during election campaign?[/p][/quote]Parmi If you are going to slag me off as least get my surname right. You have known me for over 25 years.[/p][/quote]Hi Dave, Please accept my apology if I have spelt your name wrong. Excuse? Old age! Paramjit Bahia
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