City swimming pool will close (From Daily Echo)

well, if the city stopped paying people benefits for years and years then there'd be tons more money, wouldn't there? For things like this...
They have no one else to blame except themselves.

Did they vote against the cuts or did they just abstain. Notice 1 of the 3 rebels caved in. I always understood that the Councillors were there to serve and support the people in their wards not to toe the party line. Thought they were going to vote against the budget when it appears from this article that they abstained?

chunky_lover wrote:
well, if the city stopped paying people benefits for years and years then there'd be tons more money, wouldn't there? For things like this...
They have no one else to blame except themselves.

I would be interested to know what "benefits" chunky_lover thinks are being handed out by Southampton City Council. Do tell!

The tory party have estimates of £10,000 to repair the pool & re-open it.
how about scrapping the two extra cabinet posts that Labour created & use the money to pay for the repairs?
one post was a £22,000 rise for the lucky councillor so the two posts would cost £44,000 so surely this would have been enough to repair it?
We've had Williams,Raynor lying now we have the latest recruit doing it.
Coxford ward councillor Sally Spicer, who had claimed she would move “heaven and Earth” to save the pool, voted for the cuts.
was she confused ? did she know to vote for the motion meant the pool closure?
Or was her statement nothing but lies?

Woolston woman Jane wrote:

chunky_lover wrote:
well, if the city stopped paying people benefits for years and years then there'd be tons more money, wouldn't there? For things like this...
They have no one else to blame except themselves.

I would be interested to know what "benefits" chunky_lover thinks are being handed out by Southampton City Council. Do tell!

Probably thinking housing benefit comes out of the council coffers, not realising that the council subsequently reclaim it from DWP.

I think you may find that the pool will close, and the site will be ear marked for social housing!!!

Georgem wrote:

Woolston woman Jane wrote:

chunky_lover wrote:
well, if the city stopped paying people benefits for years and years then there'd be tons more money, wouldn't there? For things like this...
They have no one else to blame except themselves.

I would be interested to know what "benefits" chunky_lover thinks are being handed out by Southampton City Council. Do tell!

Probably thinking housing benefit comes out of the council coffers, not realising that the council subsequently reclaim it from DWP.

No, I'm not so much talking about the benefits in the traditional sense, but more the lack of spending within the city due to the people on their chosen low incomes. I am aware that the DWP benefits are not council related.

chunky_lover wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Woolston woman Jane wrote:

chunky_lover wrote:
well, if the city stopped paying people benefits for years and years then there'd be tons more money, wouldn't there? For things like this...
They have no one else to blame except themselves.

I would be interested to know what "benefits" chunky_lover thinks are being handed out by Southampton City Council. Do tell!

Probably thinking housing benefit comes out of the council coffers, not realising that the council subsequently reclaim it from DWP.

No, I'm not so much talking about the benefits in the traditional sense, but more the lack of spending within the city due to the people on their chosen low incomes. I am aware that the DWP benefits are not council related.

Eh?

235k a year to maintain a community facility, or 33 more people joining the unemployed queue....
Pretty sure those people will end up costing the dwp more than that in benefits...
Just another example of how short sighted all parts of government are. As long as they can get costs off their own balance sheet...

Some interesting facts in this story,
1.Pool is used by 300 people a day and 20 schools.
2.The pool has been closed since May.
3.Pool could re-open for £10k.
I cant help thinking that there is a no brainer in here somewhere,does this mean that the 33 people are still employed at an empty swimming pool? Are they just sat there wondering what to do with themselves all day?
If you have 33 people on salary and 300 people plus schools want to swim every day you get the place re-opened pronto.
This just about sums up all local government,its a total shambles and they wonder why they are always running out of money.

Tories say it would only cost ten grand to get up and running for the moment. If we are all in this together then surely a well healed lawyer, business man or even a Saints Premiership footy player could stump up a weeks wages to keep the pool open?

Perhaps they should re-route the Olympic torch to pass by the Pool?
Sports facilities are being shut at the same time as a £24 BILLION pound sports event is being funded by the taxpayer. Big US companies will make huge profits (inc. those well known health foods, McDonalds and Coca-Cola) and the taxpayer will be left with huge debts that we will be paying off for many years...

Georgem wrote:

chunky_lover wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Woolston woman Jane wrote:

chunky_lover wrote:
well, if the city stopped paying people benefits for years and years then there'd be tons more money, wouldn't there? For things like this...
They have no one else to blame except themselves.

I would be interested to know what "benefits" chunky_lover thinks are being handed out by Southampton City Council. Do tell!

Probably thinking housing benefit comes out of the council coffers, not realising that the council subsequently reclaim it from DWP.

No, I'm not so much talking about the benefits in the traditional sense, but more the lack of spending within the city due to the people on their chosen low incomes. I am aware that the DWP benefits are not council related.

Eh?

Georgem your wrong Housing Benefits is paid by the Council at source, you fill the form in and it ends up at the Benifits office, it then ends up at head office and its deducted out of the City Finance that is due to be returned to the City, Council Tax reduction is done at the Council office.

Chunky people do not chose to be on a low imcome nore do they chose to be unemployed, it is force on them by one way or another.

tootle wrote:
Did they vote against the cuts or did they just abstain. Notice 1 of the 3 rebels caved in. I always understood that the Councillors were there to serve and support the people in their wards not to toe the party line. Thought they were going to vote against the budget when it appears from this article that they abstained?

Wish that was the case but its not have not been like since the mid 80's.
So much for Councillor Letts claiming to be a Socialist, he voted for Job Losses.

loosehead wrote:
The tory party have estimates of £10,000 to repair the pool & re-open it.
how about scrapping the two extra cabinet posts that Labour created & use the money to pay for the repairs?
one post was a £22,000 rise for the lucky councillor so the two posts would cost £44,000 so surely this would have been enough to repair it?
We've had Williams,Raynor lying now we have the latest recruit doing it.
Coxford ward councillor Sally Spicer, who had claimed she would move “heaven and Earth” to save the pool, voted for the cuts.
was she confused ? did she know to vote for the motion meant the pool closure?
Or was her statement nothing but lies?

Yes they are just as bad as the Torys now.

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

chunky_lover wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Woolston woman Jane wrote:

chunky_lover wrote:
well, if the city stopped paying people benefits for years and years then there'd be tons more money, wouldn't there? For things like this...
They have no one else to blame except themselves.

I would be interested to know what "benefits" chunky_lover thinks are being handed out by Southampton City Council. Do tell!

Probably thinking housing benefit comes out of the council coffers, not realising that the council subsequently reclaim it from DWP.

No, I'm not so much talking about the benefits in the traditional sense, but more the lack of spending within the city due to the people on their chosen low incomes. I am aware that the DWP benefits are not council related.

Eh?

Georgem your wrong Housing Benefits is paid by the Council at source, you fill the form in and it ends up at the Benifits office, it then ends up at head office and its deducted out of the City Finance that is due to be returned to the City, Council Tax reduction is done at the Council office.

Chunky people do not chose to be on a low imcome nore do they chose to be unemployed, it is force on them by one way or another.

It's administered by the council. The actual money comes from the DWP.

If Keith Morrell and Don Thomas are Expelled from the Labour Party. Wonder what they will do become Independant Labour or ask to be TUSC Councillors.

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:
The tory party have estimates of £10,000 to repair the pool & re-open it.
how about scrapping the two extra cabinet posts that Labour created & use the money to pay for the repairs?
one post was a £22,000 rise for the lucky councillor so the two posts would cost £44,000 so surely this would have been enough to repair it?
We've had Williams,Raynor lying now we have the latest recruit doing it.
Coxford ward councillor Sally Spicer, who had claimed she would move “heaven and Earth” to save the pool, voted for the cuts.
was she confused ? did she know to vote for the motion meant the pool closure?
Or was her statement nothing but lies?

Yes they are just as bad as the Torys now.

Left wing propaganda - please remove, as per your own anti-propaganda stance.

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:
The tory party have estimates of £10,000 to repair the pool & re-open it.
how about scrapping the two extra cabinet posts that Labour created & use the money to pay for the repairs?
one post was a £22,000 rise for the lucky councillor so the two posts would cost £44,000 so surely this would have been enough to repair it?
We've had Williams,Raynor lying now we have the latest recruit doing it.
Coxford ward councillor Sally Spicer, who had claimed she would move “heaven and Earth” to save the pool, voted for the cuts.
was she confused ? did she know to vote for the motion meant the pool closure?
Or was her statement nothing but lies?

Yes they are just as bad as the Torys now.

Left wing propaganda - please remove, as per your own anti-propaganda stance.

Its fact not Propaganda, Labour is just doing what the Torys have been doing for a very long time.

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

chunky_lover wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Woolston woman Jane wrote:

chunky_lover wrote:
well, if the city stopped paying people benefits for years and years then there'd be tons more money, wouldn't there? For things like this...
They have no one else to blame except themselves.

I would be interested to know what "benefits" chunky_lover thinks are being handed out by Southampton City Council. Do tell!

Probably thinking housing benefit comes out of the council coffers, not realising that the council subsequently reclaim it from DWP.

No, I'm not so much talking about the benefits in the traditional sense, but more the lack of spending within the city due to the people on their chosen low incomes. I am aware that the DWP benefits are not council related.

Eh?

Georgem your wrong Housing Benefits is paid by the Council at source, you fill the form in and it ends up at the Benifits office, it then ends up at head office and its deducted out of the City Finance that is due to be returned to the City, Council Tax reduction is done at the Council office.

Chunky people do not chose to be on a low imcome nore do they chose to be unemployed, it is force on them by one way or another.

It's administered by the council. The actual money comes from the DWP.

Council tax is administed by the council and the reduction is admin there, Housing benefit (you can fill in a housing benefit form at any council office or any Benefit office or a CAB or do it home it will all ways end up at the same place) is deducted at source in Whitehall from the Finance returns to the City.

southy wrote:
If Keith Morrell and Don Thomas are Expelled from the Labour Party. Wonder what they will do become Independant Labour or ask to be TUSC Councillors.

The TUSC is against any cuts where it means a loss of Jobs or Services.

I wonder what the Unite Exc Officers have got to say about this.
Or is it a case the TUSC told you so.

Thomas & Morrel are have lied to the electorate by standing for a party they now refuse to support. The issue is irrelevant, if you accept the whip of a party and stand for election on that basis you are saying you will stick with that party. If you are too stupid or nervous (pick which is which) to win your argument within that party you have a moral obligation to resign and go back to the electorate.

Lets see you Thomas & Morrel are you socialists or just gutless cowards clinging to your £12k a year whilst wringing your hands and saying 'i did my best, I'm just not very good'.

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

chunky_lover wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Woolston woman Jane wrote:

chunky_lover wrote:
well, if the city stopped paying people benefits for years and years then there'd be tons more money, wouldn't there? For things like this...
They have no one else to blame except themselves.

I would be interested to know what "benefits" chunky_lover thinks are being handed out by Southampton City Council. Do tell!

Probably thinking housing benefit comes out of the council coffers, not realising that the council subsequently reclaim it from DWP.

No, I'm not so much talking about the benefits in the traditional sense, but more the lack of spending within the city due to the people on their chosen low incomes. I am aware that the DWP benefits are not council related.

Eh?

Georgem your wrong Housing Benefits is paid by the Council at source, you fill the form in and it ends up at the Benifits office, it then ends up at head office and its deducted out of the City Finance that is due to be returned to the City, Council Tax reduction is done at the Council office.

Chunky people do not chose to be on a low imcome nore do they chose to be unemployed, it is force on them by one way or another.

It's administered by the council. The actual money comes from the DWP.

Council tax is administed by the council and the reduction is admin there, Housing benefit (you can fill in a housing benefit form at any council office or any Benefit office or a CAB or do it home it will all ways end up at the same place) is deducted at source in Whitehall from the Finance returns to the City.

So I'm right after all, then. The funds do not come from the council. Thanks.

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:
The tory party have estimates of £10,000 to repair the pool & re-open it.
how about scrapping the two extra cabinet posts that Labour created & use the money to pay for the repairs?
one post was a £22,000 rise for the lucky councillor so the two posts would cost £44,000 so surely this would have been enough to repair it?
We've had Williams,Raynor lying now we have the latest recruit doing it.
Coxford ward councillor Sally Spicer, who had claimed she would move “heaven and Earth” to save the pool, voted for the cuts.
was she confused ? did she know to vote for the motion meant the pool closure?
Or was her statement nothing but lies?

Yes they are just as bad as the Torys now.

Left wing propaganda - please remove, as per your own anti-propaganda stance.

Its fact not Propaganda, Labour is just doing what the Torys have been doing for a very long time.

So everything EVERYONE ELSE says is propaganda? Right. Got it. New definition of 'propaganda'. I must have missed the memo.

Council meeting report:

For me yesterday was very tragic. 

One of our proud creations for the benefit of people's health built when Labour was socialist and was led by Alan Whitehead, (who was best Leader of Council during last few decades) was given kiss of death by NuLabourites; who have hijacked the Party and shifted it to the right of even Smith's Tories.

Having served in Whitehead led Labour Group I am naturally shocked that our work which managed to survive slaughter of many jobs and services led by even Smith has become first major causality of Cllr. Williams led lunatics who treat him as if he was North Korea's Dear Leader.

My biggest disappointment was intelligent and hard worker Cllr. Simon Letts, who obviously has now nailed his colours to Blairite NuLabour mast (By the way that man who should have been investigated for crimes against humanity and socialism and his nasty colleagues are now part of Ed. Millibands team --Today's Guardian)

School teacher Simon should stop treating grown up adults as pupils starting first day in some failing primary school. His main argument for closing this pool was that Tories failed to maintain it properly and cost of repairs required.

Does Simon not know that now his party is in power? Should he not be looking around him and noticing where his group is wasting our money? Because it is ending in the pockets of his colleagues for whom his Dear Leader (Williams) has created two expensive cabinet posts. This waste on feeding poodles should be spent on saving jobs and services.

Simon's inflated figures appeared to have been picked out of thin air, so were rightly blown apart by Cllr. Keith Morrell with his well researched data. 

Real reason for closing this pool was accidentally leaked by one of NuLabourite expensive poodle of Dear Leader. Who argued that it's location in middle of housing development will be wrong.

Keeping that in mind, writing is on the wall, which even oldies like me or other people with sight problems can read that consultation with community over pool's future, floated by Milliband's local Blairite mob is smoke screen. It will be a sham public relations exercise.

As Coxford resident I am proud of both Cllrs Don Thomas and Keith Morrell, who not only voted against closing swimming pool but also against Mini Budget of changed Simon Letts. Thus not only standing up for their own constituents but also for saving services and jobs in whole of Southampton.

What a shame Cllr. Sally Spicer sacrificed our interests at the alter of slippery socialist Simon and her Dear Leader. Promised to move heaven and earth but only moved herself away from her other two colleagues and constituents. 

Yes I am socialist will always vote against Tories, but once again they won most of the arguments in Council Chamber but lost every vote..

Hero of Council meeting? Don Thomas
Runner up? Keith Morrell 
Third place? Ooooops this hurts me to admit. Tories
Looser? Us the people.
Turn Coat champion?..... Cllr. Sally Spicer

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:
The tory party have estimates of £10,000 to repair the pool & re-open it.
how about scrapping the two extra cabinet posts that Labour created & use the money to pay for the repairs?
one post was a £22,000 rise for the lucky councillor so the two posts would cost £44,000 so surely this would have been enough to repair it?
We've had Williams,Raynor lying now we have the latest recruit doing it.
Coxford ward councillor Sally Spicer, who had claimed she would move “heaven and Earth” to save the pool, voted for the cuts.
was she confused ? did she know to vote for the motion meant the pool closure?
Or was her statement nothing but lies?

Yes they are just as bad as the Torys now.

Left wing propaganda - please remove, as per your own anti-propaganda stance.

Its fact not Propaganda, Labour is just doing what the Torys have been doing for a very long time.

So everything EVERYONE ELSE says is propaganda? Right. Got it. New definition of 'propaganda'. I must have missed the memo.

George, you should know better than have an opinion that is different.

Pete's opinion = Indisputable Facts .
Everybody Else's = Right Wing propaganda.

Therefore your opinion is of no consequence or relevance.

Eight comments between 10:07 and 10:56.

I suppose it's a good job Pete doesn't work or we'd miss out on how being told what to think.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Council meeting report: For me yesterday was very tragic.  One of our proud creations for the benefit of people's health built when Labour was socialist and was led by Alan Whitehead, (who was best Leader of Council during last few decades) was given kiss of death by NuLabourites; who have hijacked the Party and shifted it to the right of even Smith's Tories. Having served in Whitehead led Labour Group I am naturally shocked that our work which managed to survive slaughter of many jobs and services led by even Smith has become first major causality of Cllr. Williams led lunatics who treat him as if he was North Korea's Dear Leader. My biggest disappointment was intelligent and hard worker Cllr. Simon Letts, who obviously has now nailed his colours to Blairite NuLabour mast (By the way that man who should have been investigated for crimes against humanity and socialism and his nasty colleagues are now part of Ed. Millibands team --Today's Guardian) School teacher Simon should stop treating grown up adults as pupils starting first day in some failing primary school. His main argument for closing this pool was that Tories failed to maintain it properly and cost of repairs required. Does Simon not know that now his party is in power? Should he not be looking around him and noticing where his group is wasting our money? Because it is ending in the pockets of his colleagues for whom his Dear Leader (Williams) has created two expensive cabinet posts. This waste on feeding poodles should be spent on saving jobs and services. Simon's inflated figures appeared to have been picked out of thin air, so were rightly blown apart by Cllr. Keith Morrell with his well researched data.  Real reason for closing this pool was accidentally leaked by one of NuLabourite expensive poodle of Dear Leader. Who argued that it's location in middle of housing development will be wrong. Keeping that in mind, writing is on the wall, which even oldies like me or other people with sight problems can read that consultation with community over pool's future, floated by Milliband's local Blairite mob is smoke screen. It will be a sham public relations exercise. As Coxford resident I am proud of both Cllrs Don Thomas and Keith Morrell, who not only voted against closing swimming pool but also against Mini Budget of changed Simon Letts. Thus not only standing up for their own constituents but also for saving services and jobs in whole of Southampton. What a shame Cllr. Sally Spicer sacrificed our interests at the alter of slippery socialist Simon and her Dear Leader. Promised to move heaven and earth but only moved herself away from her other two colleagues and constituents.  Yes I am socialist will always vote against Tories, but once again they won most of the arguments in Council Chamber but lost every vote.. Hero of Council meeting? Don Thomas Runner up? Keith Morrell  Third place? Ooooops this hurts me to admit. Tories Looser? Us the people. Turn Coat champion?..... Cllr. Sally Spicer

Not setting a budget or grandstanding does not save a single job or service. Labour councillors are in a difficult position and we are trying to defend working class people. If we walk away from the process the government will send in people from Whitehall to make the decisions for us.
You should stop your infantile name calling, nostalgia for a socialist golden age and smearing of Labour councillors. You marginalised yourself when you left the party and most people in the party then were fed up with your posturing and were glad to see the back of you.

sottondave wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Council meeting report: For me yesterday was very tragic.  One of our proud creations for the benefit of people's health built when Labour was socialist and was led by Alan Whitehead, (who was best Leader of Council during last few decades) was given kiss of death by NuLabourites; who have hijacked the Party and shifted it to the right of even Smith's Tories. Having served in Whitehead led Labour Group I am naturally shocked that our work which managed to survive slaughter of many jobs and services led by even Smith has become first major causality of Cllr. Williams led lunatics who treat him as if he was North Korea's Dear Leader. My biggest disappointment was intelligent and hard worker Cllr. Simon Letts, who obviously has now nailed his colours to Blairite NuLabour mast (By the way that man who should have been investigated for crimes against humanity and socialism and his nasty colleagues are now part of Ed. Millibands team --Today's Guardian) School teacher Simon should stop treating grown up adults as pupils starting first day in some failing primary school. His main argument for closing this pool was that Tories failed to maintain it properly and cost of repairs required. Does Simon not know that now his party is in power? Should he not be looking around him and noticing where his group is wasting our money? Because it is ending in the pockets of his colleagues for whom his Dear Leader (Williams) has created two expensive cabinet posts. This waste on feeding poodles should be spent on saving jobs and services. Simon's inflated figures appeared to have been picked out of thin air, so were rightly blown apart by Cllr. Keith Morrell with his well researched data.  Real reason for closing this pool was accidentally leaked by one of NuLabourite expensive poodle of Dear Leader. Who argued that it's location in middle of housing development will be wrong. Keeping that in mind, writing is on the wall, which even oldies like me or other people with sight problems can read that consultation with community over pool's future, floated by Milliband's local Blairite mob is smoke screen. It will be a sham public relations exercise. As Coxford resident I am proud of both Cllrs Don Thomas and Keith Morrell, who not only voted against closing swimming pool but also against Mini Budget of changed Simon Letts. Thus not only standing up for their own constituents but also for saving services and jobs in whole of Southampton. What a shame Cllr. Sally Spicer sacrificed our interests at the alter of slippery socialist Simon and her Dear Leader. Promised to move heaven and earth but only moved herself away from her other two colleagues and constituents.  Yes I am socialist will always vote against Tories, but once again they won most of the arguments in Council Chamber but lost every vote.. Hero of Council meeting? Don Thomas Runner up? Keith Morrell  Third place? Ooooops this hurts me to admit. Tories Looser? Us the people. Turn Coat champion?..... Cllr. Sally Spicer

Not setting a budget or grandstanding does not save a single job or service. Labour councillors are in a difficult position and we are trying to defend working class people. If we walk away from the process the government will send in people from Whitehall to make the decisions for us.
You should stop your infantile name calling, nostalgia for a socialist golden age and smearing of Labour councillors. You marginalised yourself when you left the party and most people in the party then were fed up with your posturing and were glad to see the back of you.

Well, who would have thought it.

Surely most of you realise that the redevelopment of Oaklands has been on the cards for many years now?

It ceased as a stand alone school in 2008 and the much loved youth club (which I was a regular member of 15-20 years ago) closed a long, long time ago. IMO robbing the children of Lordshill & the surrounding areas of a valuable and useful resource.

There has been a complete lack of investment up there, when I last visited (around 2008) nothing had changed and I left the school in '95!

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

chunky_lover wrote:

Georgem wrote:

Woolston woman Jane wrote:

chunky_lover wrote:
well, if the city stopped paying people benefits for years and years then there'd be tons more money, wouldn't there? For things like this...
They have no one else to blame except themselves.

I would be interested to know what "benefits" chunky_lover thinks are being handed out by Southampton City Council. Do tell!

Probably thinking housing benefit comes out of the council coffers, not realising that the council subsequently reclaim it from DWP.

No, I'm not so much talking about the benefits in the traditional sense, but more the lack of spending within the city due to the people on their chosen low incomes. I am aware that the DWP benefits are not council related.

Eh?

Georgem your wrong Housing Benefits is paid by the Council at source, you fill the form in and it ends up at the Benifits office, it then ends up at head office and its deducted out of the City Finance that is due to be returned to the City, Council Tax reduction is done at the Council office.

Chunky people do not chose to be on a low imcome nore do they chose to be unemployed, it is force on them by one way or another.

It's administered by the council. The actual money comes from the DWP.

Council tax is administed by the council and the reduction is admin there, Housing benefit (you can fill in a housing benefit form at any council office or any Benefit office or a CAB or do it home it will all ways end up at the same place) is deducted at source in Whitehall from the Finance returns to the City.

So I'm right after all, then. The funds do not come from the council. Thanks.

It do Georgem the more that claim the less the city gets back from the Government in Council Tax Budget Returns.
All Council Rents and Council Tax money go's to centeral Government (Whitehall) and each year the Government gives back so much of it back to the city for the City Budget for a year.
Think about it longer.

Wow, Millbrook Councillor who yesterday voted for the closure of Oaklands pool comes on the attack...

From the Echo responding to Conservative budget - 31st January 2012 - Labour leader Richard Williams criticised the plans for being a “budget for the election” which failed to address funding issues and vowed that if his party won power in May's elections it would bring in a “mini budget” to reduce Tory cuts to jobs and services. "Whoever is in power after May will be bringing out some sort of mini budget because there are so many unanswered questions and we would look to make some significant changes which would include reducing cuts to jobs and services"

Far be it for me to suggest Labour have mis-lead anybody but I believe yesterdays mini budget did none of the above as Labour promised to their electorate during their campaign.

stuartjebbitt wrote:
Perhaps they should re-route the Olympic torch to pass by the Pool?
Sports facilities are being shut at the same time as a £24 BILLION pound sports event is being funded by the taxpayer. Big US companies will make huge profits (inc. those well known health foods, McDonalds and Coca-Cola) and the taxpayer will be left with huge debts that we will be paying off for many years...

Very good point.

Also those companies sponsoring the Olympics will get massive tax breaks which could cost this country further tens of £millions.

This country's and it's so-called government's priorities are just so screwed up.

On the inside wrote:
Thomas & Morrel are have lied to the electorate by standing for a party they now refuse to support. The issue is irrelevant, if you accept the whip of a party and stand for election on that basis you are saying you will stick with that party. If you are too stupid or nervous (pick which is which) to win your argument within that party you have a moral obligation to resign and go back to the electorate.

Lets see you Thomas & Morrel are you socialists or just gutless cowards clinging to your £12k a year whilst wringing your hands and saying 'i did my best, I'm just not very good'.

I would say they are more Socialist than the rest of Capitalist Labour Party.
They do not need to resign, its down to the area labour comittee to dicide weather to expell them from the labour party, and weather to put the ward seat up for election, but also they are allowed to change partys or carry on as an independant councilors.
Is this what worrying you, that they might decide to join the TUSC like what as happened in other parts of the country or joined the independant Labour who are backing the TUSC, and making a stand against any cuts and would put the TUSC in the forefront here in Southampton and could change how people vote in the next elections.

On the inside wrote:
Thomas & Morrel are have lied to the electorate by standing for a party they now refuse to support. The issue is irrelevant, if you accept the whip of a party and stand for election on that basis you are saying you will stick with that party. If you are too stupid or nervous (pick which is which) to win your argument within that party you have a moral obligation to resign and go back to the electorate.

Lets see you Thomas & Morrel are you socialists or just gutless cowards clinging to your £12k a year whilst wringing your hands and saying 'i did my best, I'm just not very good'.

That is most unfair comment.

Don Thomas and his wife are two of most decent honest and principled people I know. They have always defended Labour values.

It was your NuLabour which misled the people of Southampton during last election.

Yes I have often criticised Keith because he often blows hot and cold. But he is intelligent man who sometimes makes unforgivable mistake of mixing with wrong crowd. But often wakes up before it is too late. As proven yesterday.

Your unprincipled party is gutless. It knows if it expels Don us the people of Coxford will teach you a lesson through the ballot box.

You lot are cowards, two faced, flexible opportunists, who cash on the hard work of people like Don and criticise him when he stands for his commitment to working class.

Is that why none of you post under your real name. Yes most of your comments are great but this one is total disgrace.

Do the decent thing apologise to Don.

southy wrote:

On the inside wrote:
Thomas & Morrel are have lied to the electorate by standing for a party they now refuse to support. The issue is irrelevant, if you accept the whip of a party and stand for election on that basis you are saying you will stick with that party. If you are too stupid or nervous (pick which is which) to win your argument within that party you have a moral obligation to resign and go back to the electorate.

Lets see you Thomas & Morrel are you socialists or just gutless cowards clinging to your £12k a year whilst wringing your hands and saying 'i did my best, I'm just not very good'.

I would say they are more Socialist than the rest of Capitalist Labour Party.
They do not need to resign, its down to the area labour comittee to dicide weather to expell them from the labour party, and weather to put the ward seat up for election, but also they are allowed to change partys or carry on as an independant councilors.
Is this what worrying you, that they might decide to join the TUSC like what as happened in other parts of the country or joined the independant Labour who are backing the TUSC, and making a stand against any cuts and would put the TUSC in the forefront here in Southampton and could change how people vote in the next elections.

I suspect he/she won't be losing any sleep over it.

We'll hold you to your statement that the TUSC will be at the forefront of the next elections and that the electorate will be flocking to vote for you.

Don't let us down.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

On the inside wrote:
Thomas & Morrel are have lied to the electorate by standing for a party they now refuse to support. The issue is irrelevant, if you accept the whip of a party and stand for election on that basis you are saying you will stick with that party. If you are too stupid or nervous (pick which is which) to win your argument within that party you have a moral obligation to resign and go back to the electorate.

Lets see you Thomas & Morrel are you socialists or just gutless cowards clinging to your £12k a year whilst wringing your hands and saying 'i did my best, I'm just not very good'.

I would say they are more Socialist than the rest of Capitalist Labour Party.
They do not need to resign, its down to the area labour comittee to dicide weather to expell them from the labour party, and weather to put the ward seat up for election, but also they are allowed to change partys or carry on as an independant councilors.
Is this what worrying you, that they might decide to join the TUSC like what as happened in other parts of the country or joined the independant Labour who are backing the TUSC, and making a stand against any cuts and would put the TUSC in the forefront here in Southampton and could change how people vote in the next elections.

I suspect he/she won't be losing any sleep over it.

We'll hold you to your statement that the TUSC will be at the forefront of the next elections and that the electorate will be flocking to vote for you.

Don't let us down.

twisting words again Shoong as normal, I said "Could" now which part of "Could" that you don't under stand.
And it would be the biggest fear for any right wing thinking person, that come next election some one like Don stand for the TUSC or Keith or just being a part of the TUSC at election time would result in that ward punishing Right Wing Labour let alone the Torys not getting a look in.

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

On the inside wrote:
Thomas & Morrel are have lied to the electorate by standing for a party they now refuse to support. The issue is irrelevant, if you accept the whip of a party and stand for election on that basis you are saying you will stick with that party. If you are too stupid or nervous (pick which is which) to win your argument within that party you have a moral obligation to resign and go back to the electorate.

Lets see you Thomas & Morrel are you socialists or just gutless cowards clinging to your £12k a year whilst wringing your hands and saying 'i did my best, I'm just not very good'.

I would say they are more Socialist than the rest of Capitalist Labour Party.
They do not need to resign, its down to the area labour comittee to dicide weather to expell them from the labour party, and weather to put the ward seat up for election, but also they are allowed to change partys or carry on as an independant councilors.
Is this what worrying you, that they might decide to join the TUSC like what as happened in other parts of the country or joined the independant Labour who are backing the TUSC, and making a stand against any cuts and would put the TUSC in the forefront here in Southampton and could change how people vote in the next elections.

I suspect he/she won't be losing any sleep over it.

We'll hold you to your statement that the TUSC will be at the forefront of the next elections and that the electorate will be flocking to vote for you.

Don't let us down.

twisting words again Shoong as normal, I said "Could" now which part of "Could" that you don't under stand.
And it would be the biggest fear for any right wing thinking person, that come next election some one like Don stand for the TUSC or Keith or just being a part of the TUSC at election time would result in that ward punishing Right Wing Labour let alone the Torys not getting a look in.

Yes, you did use 'could', your right.

Not all that confident then.

Tuck this one away, it'll be your 'get out of jail' card when you can't live up to what you peddle.

Smilzo wrote:

stuartjebbitt wrote:
Perhaps they should re-route the Olympic torch to pass by the Pool?
Sports facilities are being shut at the same time as a £24 BILLION pound sports event is being funded by the taxpayer. Big US companies will make huge profits (inc. those well known health foods, McDonalds and Coca-Cola) and the taxpayer will be left with huge debts that we will be paying off for many years...

Very good point.

Also those companies sponsoring the Olympics will get massive tax breaks which could cost this country further tens of £millions.

This country's and it's so-called government's priorities are just so screwed up.

Well thats Capitalism for you it will screw things up just so the poor can pay for the wealthy to stay wealthy.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

On the inside wrote:
Thomas & Morrel are have lied to the electorate by standing for a party they now refuse to support. The issue is irrelevant, if you accept the whip of a party and stand for election on that basis you are saying you will stick with that party. If you are too stupid or nervous (pick which is which) to win your argument within that party you have a moral obligation to resign and go back to the electorate.

Lets see you Thomas & Morrel are you socialists or just gutless cowards clinging to your £12k a year whilst wringing your hands and saying 'i did my best, I'm just not very good'.

I would say they are more Socialist than the rest of Capitalist Labour Party.
They do not need to resign, its down to the area labour comittee to dicide weather to expell them from the labour party, and weather to put the ward seat up for election, but also they are allowed to change partys or carry on as an independant councilors.
Is this what worrying you, that they might decide to join the TUSC like what as happened in other parts of the country or joined the independant Labour who are backing the TUSC, and making a stand against any cuts and would put the TUSC in the forefront here in Southampton and could change how people vote in the next elections.

I suspect he/she won't be losing any sleep over it.

We'll hold you to your statement that the TUSC will be at the forefront of the next elections and that the electorate will be flocking to vote for you.

Don't let us down.

twisting words again Shoong as normal, I said "Could" now which part of "Could" that you don't under stand.
And it would be the biggest fear for any right wing thinking person, that come next election some one like Don stand for the TUSC or Keith or just being a part of the TUSC at election time would result in that ward punishing Right Wing Labour let alone the Torys not getting a look in.

Yes, you did use 'could', your right.

Not all that confident then.

Tuck this one away, it'll be your 'get out of jail' card when you can't live up to what you peddle.

And you know to well its to early to be able to tell, which way the Labour area comittee will turn, will they expel those 2 for voting against cuts like what has happened in other councils around the country, and if they are expelled will they come to the TUSC or stand as independant Labour who are supporting the TUSC in the same things, If they come to the TUSC and join up with them, then the next election in Coxford Ward will be won by the TUSC.
Wait and see what those 2 councillors do first.

bigfella777 wrote:
Some interesting facts in this story, 1.Pool is used by 300 people a day and 20 schools. 2.The pool has been closed since May. 3.Pool could re-open for £10k. I cant help thinking that there is a no brainer in here somewhere,does this mean that the 33 people are still employed at an empty swimming pool? Are they just sat there wondering what to do with themselves all day? If you have 33 people on salary and 300 people plus schools want to swim every day you get the place re-opened pronto. This just about sums up all local government,its a total shambles and they wonder why they are always running out of money.

If 300 people a day are using this facility then it should be raking in the money (that would be close to half a million a year!
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Then talk down the cost of repairs and you're on Fantasy Island.
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It's not simply too expensive an asset for the state to support.
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Now being used as a political football by those who should no better.

If ALL the 300 people and 20 schools that used Oaklands pool all paid a more realistic fee there should not be any need for the subsidy. The subsidy is paid by Southampton City Council Tax payers, a large number of people that used the pool do not live in Southampton therefore do not pay the subsidy.
Why should the cost of using the pool be paid for just by City dwellers, if the users wanted to keep the pool they should expect to pay for the priviledge not the taxpayers.

If the Tories said it would only cost £10k to repair it why didn’t they do it when they were in power and they had the savings from the pay cut they took from the employee’s??? They even couldn’t be bothered to repair the learner pool and left the pool like those you see on homes from hell abroad ! I wouldn’t trust the Tories they made the problem.

At least it still might remain open for another year until April that allows time for us to fight for it and the Labour party to listen to us all!

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

On the inside wrote: Thomas & Morrel are have lied to the electorate by standing for a party they now refuse to support. The issue is irrelevant, if you accept the whip of a party and stand for election on that basis you are saying you will stick with that party. If you are too stupid or nervous (pick which is which) to win your argument within that party you have a moral obligation to resign and go back to the electorate. Lets see you Thomas & Morrel are you socialists or just gutless cowards clinging to your £12k a year whilst wringing your hands and saying 'i did my best, I'm just not very good'.

That is most unfair comment. Don Thomas and his wife are two of most decent honest and principled people I know. They have always defended Labour values. It was your NuLabour which misled the people of Southampton during last election. Yes I have often criticised Keith because he often blows hot and cold. But he is intelligent man who sometimes makes unforgivable mistake of mixing with wrong crowd. But often wakes up before it is too late. As proven yesterday. Your unprincipled party is gutless. It knows if it expels Don us the people of Coxford will teach you a lesson through the ballot box. You lot are cowards, two faced, flexible opportunists, who cash on the hard work of people like Don and criticise him when he stands for his commitment to working class. Is that why none of you post under your real name. Yes most of your comments are great but this one is total disgrace. Do the decent thing apologise to Don.

Unless Don is Married to Keith Morrell why has Don's Wife much to do with this debate. It reminds me of the Judge in the Jeffrey Archer scandel refering to the 'fragrant' wife. I am sure Don is genuine mucker when it comes to politics, but why reference his wife?

SpicersVoice go back to last year and what the Tory Party said and done then, To build the new school on 5 acres Millbrook (the old Green Lane Boys School) and Oaklands schools would be sold to a private developer and the buildings demolished to clear the way for homes to be built on the land.
It was later on after this the Torys who never done there homework properly, the private developer found out they could not build on Millbrook School because it had all ready been lease out to sports program firm and can not do so till the lease as ran out.
The intentions of the Torys was to have the pool demolished from the word go, and homes built on the land, The Labour Party is carrying on with the same Tory program that was set up last year while they was in power.

Like most socialists these councillors seem oblivious to the costs of running loss making facilities. The whole site should be demolished and redeveloped into social housing. If people want to swim get on the bus to Shirley

Condor Man wrote:
Like most socialists these councillors seem oblivious to the costs of running loss making facilities. The whole site should be demolished and redeveloped into social housing. If people want to swim get on the bus to Shirley

And that is just how the Torys was thinking last year

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As I remember the repairs had already started & needed £10,000 to finish.
After walking around the Channel Island estate delivering leaflets against the pool closure I know just how unhappy people on this estate are.
they were never told by Labour that if they won power they would shut the pool.
some can't afford to pay for David LLoyds or bus fares to Shirley .
others worked & this pool was close so their children could go there in the holidays.
A councillor stands in an area to represent that area& it's peoples wishes did Sally Spicer ask her voters if they wanted the pool shut?
You are not voted in to follow blindly & do as you're told you're voted in firstly on a manifesto ( this wasn't in the manifesto) then to get the best deal for your voters so out of all the Labour councillors Thomas & Morrell have done that.
What would the councillor for Millbrook do if Labour changed it's stance on the Bio Mass?

flowergirly wrote:
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Thats Sainsburys in Shirley that thinking of expanding even more.

flowergirly wrote:
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The Tory idea was to keep Oakland school for sports & swimming & move the Library & housing office.
Sainsbury's has already just expanded it's Lordshill store so that's not looking on the cards

Depends who you talk to!!!

Fieldbean wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

On the inside wrote: Thomas & Morrel are have lied to the electorate by standing for a party they now refuse to support. The issue is irrelevant, if you accept the whip of a party and stand for election on that basis you are saying you will stick with that party. If you are too stupid or nervous (pick which is which) to win your argument within that party you have a moral obligation to resign and go back to the electorate. Lets see you Thomas & Morrel are you socialists or just gutless cowards clinging to your £12k a year whilst wringing your hands and saying 'i did my best, I'm just not very good'.

That is most unfair comment. Don Thomas and his wife are two of most decent honest and principled people I know. They have always defended Labour values. It was your NuLabour which misled the people of Southampton during last election. Yes I have often criticised Keith because he often blows hot and cold. But he is intelligent man who sometimes makes unforgivable mistake of mixing with wrong crowd. But often wakes up before it is too late. As proven yesterday. Your unprincipled party is gutless. It knows if it expels Don us the people of Coxford will teach you a lesson through the ballot box. You lot are cowards, two faced, flexible opportunists, who cash on the hard work of people like Don and criticise him when he stands for his commitment to working class. Is that why none of you post under your real name. Yes most of your comments are great but this one is total disgrace. Do the decent thing apologise to Don.

Unless Don is Married to Keith Morrell why has Don's Wife much to do with this debate. It reminds me of the Judge in the Jeffrey Archer scandel refering to the 'fragrant' wife. I am sure Don is genuine mucker when it comes to politics, but why reference his wife?

Because she too has served and keeps on serving the community she lives in.

Ever since Don got elected her work load has in fact gone up. Because on top of various issues in our area in which she takes keen interest, she also has to put up with calls from people like me when Don is out attending meetings etc.

By the way unlike some MPs who created jobs for their families to fiddle expenses, this kind hearted lady is not paid at all.

flowergirly wrote:
Depends who you talk to!!!

So they're shutting the charity shop,the dry cleaners, the chemist,Paper shop, demolishing the health centre & the pub,church & Library or are you saying they'll close the present store & build new on Oaklands?

southy wrote:
SpicersVoice go back to last year and what the Tory Party said and done then, To build the new school on 5 acres Millbrook (the old Green Lane Boys School) and Oaklands schools would be sold to a private developer and the buildings demolished to clear the way for homes to be built on the land.
It was later on after this the Torys who never done there homework properly, the private developer found out they could not build on Millbrook School because it had all ready been lease out to sports program firm and can not do so till the lease as ran out.
The intentions of the Torys was to have the pool demolished from the word go, and homes built on the land, The Labour Party is carrying on with the same Tory program that was set up last year while they was in power.

Southy please please get it right.
to build a new academy school the government picked up the tab(£50million approx )to rebuild Regents park on St Marks Land & to rebuiold sat Marks they would have to demolish a perfectly good building ( old Western school) then sell the Regents Park school to fund it.
I think you'll find that Bellemoor (upper Shirley High ) needs rebuilding & maybe the selling off of the old Millbrook school could be paying for that

loosehead wrote:

flowergirly wrote:
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The Tory idea was to keep Oakland school for sports & swimming & move the Library & housing office.
Sainsbury's has already just expanded it's Lordshill store so that's not looking on the cards

No that was Millbrook School for Sports, the School and Grounds was all ready least out to a private enterprise. The Library and Housing office is staying where they are, Oaklands plans was is to be built on for homes. out line planning as all ready been given early this year.
Sainburys in Shirley have been asking about the Shirley Social Club that as now closed down.

sottondave wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Council meeting report: For me yesterday was very tragic.  One of our proud creations for the benefit of people's health built when Labour was socialist and was led by Alan Whitehead, (who was best Leader of Council during last few decades) was given kiss of death by NuLabourites; who have hijacked the Party and shifted it to the right of even Smith's Tories. Having served in Whitehead led Labour Group I am naturally shocked that our work which managed to survive slaughter of many jobs and services led by even Smith has become first major causality of Cllr. Williams led lunatics who treat him as if he was North Korea's Dear Leader. My biggest disappointment was intelligent and hard worker Cllr. Simon Letts, who obviously has now nailed his colours to Blairite NuLabour mast (By the way that man who should have been investigated for crimes against humanity and socialism and his nasty colleagues are now part of Ed. Millibands team --Today's Guardian) School teacher Simon should stop treating grown up adults as pupils starting first day in some failing primary school. His main argument for closing this pool was that Tories failed to maintain it properly and cost of repairs required. Does Simon not know that now his party is in power? Should he not be looking around him and noticing where his group is wasting our money? Because it is ending in the pockets of his colleagues for whom his Dear Leader (Williams) has created two expensive cabinet posts. This waste on feeding poodles should be spent on saving jobs and services. Simon's inflated figures appeared to have been picked out of thin air, so were rightly blown apart by Cllr. Keith Morrell with his well researched data.  Real reason for closing this pool was accidentally leaked by one of NuLabourite expensive poodle of Dear Leader. Who argued that it's location in middle of housing development will be wrong. Keeping that in mind, writing is on the wall, which even oldies like me or other people with sight problems can read that consultation with community over pool's future, floated by Milliband's local Blairite mob is smoke screen. It will be a sham public relations exercise. As Coxford resident I am proud of both Cllrs Don Thomas and Keith Morrell, who not only voted against closing swimming pool but also against Mini Budget of changed Simon Letts. Thus not only standing up for their own constituents but also for saving services and jobs in whole of Southampton. What a shame Cllr. Sally Spicer sacrificed our interests at the alter of slippery socialist Simon and her Dear Leader. Promised to move heaven and earth but only moved herself away from her other two colleagues and constituents.  Yes I am socialist will always vote against Tories, but once again they won most of the arguments in Council Chamber but lost every vote.. Hero of Council meeting? Don Thomas Runner up? Keith Morrell  Third place? Ooooops this hurts me to admit. Tories Looser? Us the people. Turn Coat champion?..... Cllr. Sally Spicer

Not setting a budget or grandstanding does not save a single job or service. Labour councillors are in a difficult position and we are trying to defend working class people. If we walk away from the process the government will send in people from Whitehall to make the decisions for us.
You should stop your infantile name calling, nostalgia for a socialist golden age and smearing of Labour councillors. You marginalised yourself when you left the party and most people in the party then were fed up with your posturing and were glad to see the back of you.

Dave, many thanks for your kind words.

I have never pretended that some of opportunist and parasites of Labour Movement were glad when I and many others like me who believed in values on which actual Labour Party was based left your party to stay socialist.

Pity your kinds have not got the guts to stand by what you say. Because frequently some of your well placed colleagues keep on pestering me and others to rejoin your snake pit of NuLabour.

loosehead wrote:
As I remember the repairs had already started & needed £10,000 to finish.
After walking around the Channel Island estate delivering leaflets against the pool closure I know just how unhappy people on this estate are.
they were never told by Labour that if they won power they would shut the pool.
some can't afford to pay for David LLoyds or bus fares to Shirley .
others worked & this pool was close so their children could go there in the holidays.
A councillor stands in an area to represent that area& it's peoples wishes did Sally Spicer ask her voters if they wanted the pool shut?
You are not voted in to follow blindly & do as you're told you're voted in firstly on a manifesto ( this wasn't in the manifesto) then to get the best deal for your voters so out of all the Labour councillors Thomas & Morrell have done that.
What would the councillor for Millbrook do if Labour changed it's stance on the Bio Mass?

No repairs had started to take place thats why it was closed due to leaks.
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Why didnt the Tories privitise this pool like they did other leisure activities/centres in the City ............ Because Avtive Nation would not take it due the amount of money needed to bring it up to a reasonable usable standard.
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Its the same caring Tories who greatly reduced the opening hours and the vocal Cllr Moulton who stopped the childrens free swimming in the pools

absolute disgrace.fair play to don he is true to his word.why not go tap sainsburys up.they been taking millions from the people of lordshill over the years.and have never put nothing back into the community.SO THE BATTLE STARTS NOW.I ASK ALL THE PEOPLE OF LORDSHILL AND SURROUNDING AREAS TO FIGHT THIS DECISION.SAVE OAKLANDS SWIMMING POOL.

come on daily echo get behind this campaign seeing as alot of your employees used the place during there lunch break.save oaklands swimming pool.

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:
SpicersVoice go back to last year and what the Tory Party said and done then, To build the new school on 5 acres Millbrook (the old Green Lane Boys School) and Oaklands schools would be sold to a private developer and the buildings demolished to clear the way for homes to be built on the land.
It was later on after this the Torys who never done there homework properly, the private developer found out they could not build on Millbrook School because it had all ready been lease out to sports program firm and can not do so till the lease as ran out.
The intentions of the Torys was to have the pool demolished from the word go, and homes built on the land, The Labour Party is carrying on with the same Tory program that was set up last year while they was in power.

Southy please please get it right.
to build a new academy school the government picked up the tab(£50million approx )to rebuild Regents park on St Marks Land & to rebuiold sat Marks they would have to demolish a perfectly good building ( old Western school) then sell the Regents Park school to fund it.
I think you'll find that Bellemoor (upper Shirley High ) needs rebuilding & maybe the selling off of the old Millbrook school could be paying for that

Lets get it right shall we, Millbrook and Oaklands which are both Oasis Schools and run by one group of people, want to close down those two schools and merge them into one school creating one super school, but got told that they could not build on 5 acres untill those two schools got a buyer and the money went towards the process of building the new school, Millbrook School was all ready lease out to a sports enterprise.
Redbridge School is the Sports School.

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:
As I remember the repairs had already started & needed £10,000 to finish.
After walking around the Channel Island estate delivering leaflets against the pool closure I know just how unhappy people on this estate are.
they were never told by Labour that if they won power they would shut the pool.
some can't afford to pay for David LLoyds or bus fares to Shirley .
others worked & this pool was close so their children could go there in the holidays.
A councillor stands in an area to represent that area& it's peoples wishes did Sally Spicer ask her voters if they wanted the pool shut?
You are not voted in to follow blindly & do as you're told you're voted in firstly on a manifesto ( this wasn't in the manifesto) then to get the best deal for your voters so out of all the Labour councillors Thomas & Morrell have done that.
What would the councillor for Millbrook do if Labour changed it's stance on the Bio Mass?

No repairs had started to take place thats why it was closed due to leaks.
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Why didnt the Tories privitise this pool like they did other leisure activities/centres in the City ............ Because Avtive Nation would not take it due the amount of money needed to bring it up to a reasonable usable standard.
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Its the same caring Tories who greatly reduced the opening hours and the vocal Cllr Moulton who stopped the childrens free swimming in the pools

Yes it has been closed but its only been closed since May for repairs.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

sottondave wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Council meeting report: For me yesterday was very tragic.  One of our proud creations for the benefit of people's health built when Labour was socialist and was led by Alan Whitehead, (who was best Leader of Council during last few decades) was given kiss of death by NuLabourites; who have hijacked the Party and shifted it to the right of even Smith's Tories. Having served in Whitehead led Labour Group I am naturally shocked that our work which managed to survive slaughter of many jobs and services led by even Smith has become first major causality of Cllr. Williams led lunatics who treat him as if he was North Korea's Dear Leader. My biggest disappointment was intelligent and hard worker Cllr. Simon Letts, who obviously has now nailed his colours to Blairite NuLabour mast (By the way that man who should have been investigated for crimes against humanity and socialism and his nasty colleagues are now part of Ed. Millibands team --Today's Guardian) School teacher Simon should stop treating grown up adults as pupils starting first day in some failing primary school. His main argument for closing this pool was that Tories failed to maintain it properly and cost of repairs required. Does Simon not know that now his party is in power? Should he not be looking around him and noticing where his group is wasting our money? Because it is ending in the pockets of his colleagues for whom his Dear Leader (Williams) has created two expensive cabinet posts. This waste on feeding poodles should be spent on saving jobs and services. Simon's inflated figures appeared to have been picked out of thin air, so were rightly blown apart by Cllr. Keith Morrell with his well researched data.  Real reason for closing this pool was accidentally leaked by one of NuLabourite expensive poodle of Dear Leader. Who argued that it's location in middle of housing development will be wrong. Keeping that in mind, writing is on the wall, which even oldies like me or other people with sight problems can read that consultation with community over pool's future, floated by Milliband's local Blairite mob is smoke screen. It will be a sham public relations exercise. As Coxford resident I am proud of both Cllrs Don Thomas and Keith Morrell, who not only voted against closing swimming pool but also against Mini Budget of changed Simon Letts. Thus not only standing up for their own constituents but also for saving services and jobs in whole of Southampton. What a shame Cllr. Sally Spicer sacrificed our interests at the alter of slippery socialist Simon and her Dear Leader. Promised to move heaven and earth but only moved herself away from her other two colleagues and constituents.  Yes I am socialist will always vote against Tories, but once again they won most of the arguments in Council Chamber but lost every vote.. Hero of Council meeting? Don Thomas Runner up? Keith Morrell  Third place? Ooooops this hurts me to admit. Tories Looser? Us the people. Turn Coat champion?..... Cllr. Sally Spicer

Not setting a budget or grandstanding does not save a single job or service. Labour councillors are in a difficult position and we are trying to defend working class people. If we walk away from the process the government will send in people from Whitehall to make the decisions for us.
You should stop your infantile name calling, nostalgia for a socialist golden age and smearing of Labour councillors. You marginalised yourself when you left the party and most people in the party then were fed up with your posturing and were glad to see the back of you.

Dave, many thanks for your kind words.

I have never pretended that some of opportunist and parasites of Labour Movement were glad when I and many others like me who believed in values on which actual Labour Party was based left your party to stay socialist.

Pity your kinds have not got the guts to stand by what you say. Because frequently some of your well placed colleagues keep on pestering me and others to rejoin your snake pit of NuLabour.

Dave, sorry about typing error in above.
Should have read 'were not glad' in place of 'were glad'.

Paramjit Bahia they been asking you also.

Can confirm that will be a Socialist Party and TUSC stall at Sainsbury Lords hill this Sat for local people to sign a petition and even have a chat.

southy wrote:
Can confirm that will be a Socialist Party and TUSC stall at Sainsbury Lords hill this Sat for local people to sign a petition and even have a chat.

Do your fellow TUSC members know that daily you log on to this site and call members of the electorate stupid at the same time claiming to be some kind of intellectual?

Has this new campaign technique you're trying been approved by the leaders of the TUSC?

Hypothetically, if I were to send them some samples of your posts essentially claiming that because I did not enter further education it has made me too stupid to vote for the TUSC, what do you think the response would be?

' it takes some body who have carried on learning things after leaving school'.

That sounds like something a stuck up Tory would say.

I wonder what Dave Nellist and/or Bob Crowe would think of that?

Hypothetically of course... ;)

southy wrote:
Paramjit Bahia they been asking you also.

Oh yes and to many others as well.

A friend of mine (former prominent Labour councillor) even wrote a letter to Milliband politely requesting him that he should stop his local lot bothering that person by keep on asking to joing changed Labour in which that person has no faith.

southy wrote:
Can confirm that will be a Socialist Party and TUSC stall at Sainsbury Lords hill this Sat for local people to sign a petition and even have a chat.

I feel I should point out that advertising your political rally on our site violates our terms and conditions.

too all my fellow residents of lordshill and surrounding areas please back the campaign to save oaklands pool.the closure of the pool will have a adverse effect on alot of peoples lives.TOO YOU ALL I ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT TO SAVE OAKLANDS SWIMMING POOL.AND TO YOU MR WHITEHEAD WHO PROMISED THE PEOPLE OF LORDSHILL THAT THE POOL WOULDNT CLOSE,ISNT ABOUT TIME YOU CAME FROM UNDERNEATH YOUR ROCK AND STATED WHAT YOU INTEND TO DO TO SAVE THE POOL

Parmi, I have often defended you on the basis that whatever you disagreed with you NEVER broke the whip in council if you lost your argument in Group. You KNOW that is the correct way to behave. Eventually you decided the Labour party was no longer right for you and left. I understand that, but you did not get elected on one platform then work to another. Don has many qualities but he has crossed a line.

As for Southy, are you now accepting you cannot get TUSC candidates elected and your only hope is to get people to lie to the electorate about who they are and then switch to you once elected?

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

southy wrote:
Paramjit Bahia they been asking you also.

Oh yes and to many others as well.

A friend of mine (former prominent Labour councillor) even wrote a letter to Milliband politely requesting him that he should stop his local lot bothering that person by keep on asking to joing changed Labour in which that person has no faith.

Me to Parami

Daniel Kerins wrote:

southy wrote:
Can confirm that will be a Socialist Party and TUSC stall at Sainsbury Lords hill this Sat for local people to sign a petition and even have a chat.

I feel I should point out that advertising your political rally on our site violates our terms and conditions.

No it don't, because I not selling, I letting been known that there is a petition on the go and who is running it.
It would under the same "Run For Life" or any other good cause for people to be able to take part in or suppurt the action being taken.
Plus its not a Rally, Rallys are Social events. Holding a Stall to collett Names for a Petition is not a Social event its a cause.

And thinking about it Daniel Kerins you who class this as News, that the Echo might want to take up on or even support it.

On the inside wrote:
Parmi, I have often defended you on the basis that whatever you disagreed with you NEVER broke the whip in council if you lost your argument in Group. You KNOW that is the correct way to behave. Eventually you decided the Labour party was no longer right for you and left. I understand that, but you did not get elected on one platform then work to another. Don has many qualities but he has crossed a line.

As for Southy, are you now accepting you cannot get TUSC candidates elected and your only hope is to get people to lie to the electorate about who they are and then switch to you once elected?

On the inside, You know they said that about the Labour Party when a Liberal swop to the Labour Party over 100 years ago. Are you old enough to Remember Michell who swop sides here in Southampton, its some thing that go's on and as done for a very long time.
As for lies your Labour Party have been doing that to the voting public now for 25 years, pretending that you stand on the Left just to get there votes, Why don't you tell the people the Truth about the Labour Party, why dont you tell people which side of the frence you stand, I tell you why you will not, its because you would lose to many votes and your hold on having any sort of power in govenment.
Any way it could only happen if the Labour Party expels him. Which I have a feeling they will not dare to do now after seeing what happened in the rest of the country where Labour have expelled Councillors for voting no to any cuts.
Think hard what you saying On the inside.
Don as not cross any line at all by the way, he keeping to what was said by the Labour Party about cuts, its the others that have mislead the people, a trait that i expect from the Torys, Looks like Labour is learning fast from the Torys on how to do that.

southy wrote:
And thinking about it Daniel Kerins you who class this as News, that the Echo might want to take up on or even support it.

If it were a genuine post it would have come from Dan and not Daniel ;-)

Can't The Echo ban the use of multiple usernames? It's becoming far too regular. Post under your usual name if you want to contribute.

On the inside wrote:
Parmi, I have often defended you on the basis that whatever you disagreed with you NEVER broke the whip in council if you lost your argument in Group. You KNOW that is the correct way to behave. Eventually you decided the Labour party was no longer right for you and left. I understand that, but you did not get elected on one platform then work to another. Don has many qualities but he has crossed a line.

As for Southy, are you now accepting you cannot get TUSC candidates elected and your only hope is to get people to lie to the electorate about who they are and then switch to you once elected?

You are partly right about facts regarding me because actually whip was withdrawn from me in Hampshire when I refused to tow that Labour Group’s decision to get in bed with lousy Liberal Democrats, although I had the support of Southampton Party’s GMC.

But this is about Southampton Group, so you should ask how Alan Whitehead managed to build a team out of Labour Group which had people of very much right like Arnold and some from soft left and others like Brian Roost and me on the real left and few who pretended to be Trotskyites out side but apart from Linda often supported right wingers within the Group and let us not forget Mr. and Mrs Melrose!.

Then try to find why Richard Williams is miserably failing to get his Group working as a good team even when there is hardly any left Vs right tensions within the Group.

Yes if people go against whips they leave themselves open to disciplinary action. I have no doubt that yesterday both Keith and Don were aware of that. But they decided to stand by their constituents and true Labour values. In my view being honest to people who elected you is not a crime but betraying them is serious matter.

So let us be honest and ask most of the people in Coxford who they think betrayed them. It was not Don or Keith but others in the Group. Labour dare not ask people because they know what will be the end result.

You may recall that only few days ago I was challenging Williams and co for failing to take action against Keith for dropping the Group into brown stuff by allegedly conspiring to tell a lie and then changing his mind. I also asked on this site why no action was taken against him and if there was more to that mess and what was the role of some others than Williams and Keith. Why Cllr. Rayment got so rattled under questioning from Tories yesterday? Why the real culprits are not exposed?

Why do I have different view on this one? Because I admire both Don and Keith for putting their money where their mouths are, and for standing up for values which even NuLabour should be proud of. Luckily I was never put in that situation by Group of my time. We in fact went on expanding services creating facilities for people (Oaklands was creation of Alan led Group) and we too had to deal with Tory Governments in London, so the excuses which were made by NuLabourites in Chamber yesterday do not cut ice with me.

As you are aware I have always admired people who stand by their principles even if I am opposed to their views or even Party. So how could I possibly not speak out for Don and Keith who in fact have admirably stood for what I believe in?

You are right I could not get elected on two occasions after leaving Labour. But as most people are aware I never made tall claims about possibility of my succeeding either. I never booked a room in dreamland. I was only paper candidate for SLP for Parliament against the best candidate of NuLabour my own mate Alan Whitehead, who never held my actions against me and understood that I was doing that for SLP which I had joined. Second time was European elections when SLP had again fielded candidates not because we expected to win but because it offered opportunity for us to make our view known against the EU. Strangely I was surprised with approx 15000 votes we got without doing any serious work.

My friend at my age I have no ambition for any office, and even if I wan to my health won’t allow it, all I want to see is stability in our society and decent services for ordinary people and gap between wealth and poverty reduced and when I die my body to be handed over to medical students to play with.

Yes some of my views may have gone out of fashion but they are sincerely held. Yes it’s hurtful when I see even Tories trying to become champions of ordinary people and party I once lived for making complete fool of itself in Council Chamber.

Kind regards

southy wrote:

Daniel Kerins wrote:

southy wrote:
Can confirm that will be a Socialist Party and TUSC stall at Sainsbury Lords hill this Sat for local people to sign a petition and even have a chat.

I feel I should point out that advertising your political rally on our site violates our terms and conditions.

No it don't, because I not selling, I letting been known that there is a petition on the go and who is running it.
It would under the same "Run For Life" or any other good cause for people to be able to take part in or suppurt the action being taken.
Plus its not a Rally, Rallys are Social events. Holding a Stall to collett Names for a Petition is not a Social event its a cause.

It is not up for debate. The Echo reserves the right to dictate the content of this site. Please refrain from using it as a platform for propaganda.

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:
And thinking about it Daniel Kerins you who class this as News, that the Echo might want to take up on or even support it.

If it were a genuine post it would have come from Dan and not Daniel ;-)

Can't The Echo ban the use of multiple usernames? It's becoming far too regular. Post under your usual name if you want to contribute.

It's impossible to "ban". How would you stop it? Sock puppeting violates the rules, but it's technically impossible to enforce.

Daniel Kerins wrote:

southy wrote:

Daniel Kerins wrote:

southy wrote:
Can confirm that will be a Socialist Party and TUSC stall at Sainsbury Lords hill this Sat for local people to sign a petition and even have a chat.

I feel I should point out that advertising your political rally on our site violates our terms and conditions.

No it don't, because I not selling, I letting been known that there is a petition on the go and who is running it.
It would under the same "Run For Life" or any other good cause for people to be able to take part in or suppurt the action being taken.
Plus its not a Rally, Rallys are Social events. Holding a Stall to collett Names for a Petition is not a Social event its a cause.

It is not up for debate. The Echo reserves the right to dictate the content of this site. Please refrain from using it as a platform for propaganda.

Let me put it like this to you, if you was Dan and like IronLady2010 as pointed out shame that she did.
You would not be directing your comments to me on this web page and it would not come from Dan Kerins, it would come from the Web Editor.
Also think about what rules you might be breaking.

Georgem wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:
And thinking about it Daniel Kerins you who class this as News, that the Echo might want to take up on or even support it.

If it were a genuine post it would have come from Dan and not Daniel ;-)

Can't The Echo ban the use of multiple usernames? It's becoming far too regular. Post under your usual name if you want to contribute.

It's impossible to "ban". How would you stop it? Sock puppeting violates the rules, but it's technically impossible to enforce.

It can be stop Georgem, but how many people would want to down load the site to what ever they are using.

On the inside wrote:
Parmi, I have often defended you on the basis that whatever you disagreed with you NEVER broke the whip in council if you lost your argument in Group. You KNOW that is the correct way to behave. Eventually you decided the Labour party was no longer right for you and left. I understand that, but you did not get elected on one platform then work to another. Don has many qualities but he has crossed a line.

As for Southy, are you now accepting you cannot get TUSC candidates elected and your only hope is to get people to lie to the electorate about who they are and then switch to you once elected?

Hi, just in case there is any misunderstanding, asking people to get elected as candidate for one party and then changing sides may be Southey’s and also the view of others and common practise in main parties, as even Labour have often accepted deserting Tory MPs whom they gave ministerial positions.

But I have always held the view that in such cases parties should have the right to demand resignation. That is why when I left Labour in 1996 with one year term left on Hampshire, in my statement I had made it clear that if Labour wants by-election in my ward I will resign. I repeated the same view when I was interviewed by a Labour MP on one of London radio stations. But nobody ever asked for my resignation. On my part during that year I never did anything that was against democratically agreed policies of Labour Party, but in fact I often embarrassed those who were in bed with Lib-Dems (Keith Morrell was one of those!) by trying to promote those policies, which they often voted against

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:
And thinking about it Daniel Kerins you who class this as News, that the Echo might want to take up on or even support it.

If it were a genuine post it would have come from Dan and not Daniel ;-)

Can't The Echo ban the use of multiple usernames? It's becoming far too regular. Post under your usual name if you want to contribute.

Had all ready relise Iron, was going to keep them going till the echo noticed them.
all ready knew because the echo do not conduct them selfs on a web page when some one over steps the mark, you get an e-mail sent to you from the web editor.

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:
And thinking about it Daniel Kerins you who class this as News, that the Echo might want to take up on or even support it.

If it were a genuine post it would have come from Dan and not Daniel ;-)

Can't The Echo ban the use of multiple usernames? It's becoming far too regular. Post under your usual name if you want to contribute.

It's impossible to "ban". How would you stop it? Sock puppeting violates the rules, but it's technically impossible to enforce.

It can be stop Georgem, but how many people would want to down load the site to what ever they are using.

Don't bother, Southy. On matters of technology, you are - with all due respect - outclassed by several orders of magnitude.

It cannot be done, period. Unless we overhaul humanity itself. Even then, I'm not convinced.

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:
And thinking about it Daniel Kerins you who class this as News, that the Echo might want to take up on or even support it.

If it were a genuine post it would have come from Dan and not Daniel ;-)

Can't The Echo ban the use of multiple usernames? It's becoming far too regular. Post under your usual name if you want to contribute.

Had all ready relise Iron, was going to keep them going till the echo noticed them.
all ready knew because the echo do not conduct them selfs on a web page when some one over steps the mark, you get an e-mail sent to you from the web editor.

Speaking from experience, southy? :)

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:
And thinking about it Daniel Kerins you who class this as News, that the Echo might want to take up on or even support it.

If it were a genuine post it would have come from Dan and not Daniel ;-)

Can't The Echo ban the use of multiple usernames? It's becoming far too regular. Post under your usual name if you want to contribute.

Iron Lady 2010 is right; it is immoral for people to start using multiple IDs/adopted names.

Yes it is accepted practise on internet to avoid using real name, but I believe if people want to make public statements then they should have the courage to use their real names and guts to stand by their remarks.

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:
And thinking about it Daniel Kerins you who class this as News, that the Echo might want to take up on or even support it.

If it were a genuine post it would have come from Dan and not Daniel ;-)

Can't The Echo ban the use of multiple usernames? It's becoming far too regular. Post under your usual name if you want to contribute.

Had all ready relise Iron, was going to keep them going till the echo noticed them.
all ready knew because the echo do not conduct them selfs on a web page when some one over steps the mark, you get an e-mail sent to you from the web editor.

Speaking from experience, southy? :)

Yes 3 years ago Georgem. I went across the line and with in 3 mins there was an e-mail from the web editor.

oh how can be done is how the old msn open chat use to do it.
You down load the site, and with that you give permission to have your CPU ID Number recored, and when you log on to the site again your CPU ID number is check, But it would stop the real experts who know there way round CCC+++ programming

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:
And thinking about it Daniel Kerins you who class this as News, that the Echo might want to take up on or even support it.

If it were a genuine post it would have come from Dan and not Daniel ;-)

Can't The Echo ban the use of multiple usernames? It's becoming far too regular. Post under your usual name if you want to contribute.

Iron Lady 2010 is right; it is immoral for people to start using multiple IDs/adopted names.

Yes it is accepted practise on internet to avoid using real name, but I believe if people want to make public statements then they should have the courage to use their real names and guts to stand by their remarks.

Whilst it's totally wrong for users to create multiple accounts, I have no problem with user names.

I wouldn't expect anyone to use their real name on an open forum as you do.

It becomes frustrating when others feel the need to be so childish as to have several names to make a comment when they could have just used their original name.

I use this name and no others, if people don't like what I say then I take the backlash and will always apologise if I am in the wrong.

Anyway, we're going off-topic........

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:
And thinking about it Daniel Kerins you who class this as News, that the Echo might want to take up on or even support it.

If it were a genuine post it would have come from Dan and not Daniel ;-)

Can't The Echo ban the use of multiple usernames? It's becoming far too regular. Post under your usual name if you want to contribute.

Had all ready relise Iron, was going to keep them going till the echo noticed them.
all ready knew because the echo do not conduct them selfs on a web page when some one over steps the mark, you get an e-mail sent to you from the web editor.

Speaking from experience, southy? :)

Yes 3 years ago Georgem. I went across the line and with in 3 mins there was an e-mail from the web editor.

oh how can be done is how the old msn open chat use to do it.
You down load the site, and with that you give permission to have your CPU ID Number recored, and when you log on to the site again your CPU ID number is check, But it would stop the real experts who know there way round CCC+++ programming

CPU? Southy do you know what a CPU is?

The Echo record both your IP address and your MAC address.

Where does CPU come into it?

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:
And thinking about it Daniel Kerins you who class this as News, that the Echo might want to take up on or even support it.

If it were a genuine post it would have come from Dan and not Daniel ;-)

Can't The Echo ban the use of multiple usernames? It's becoming far too regular. Post under your usual name if you want to contribute.

Iron Lady 2010 is right; it is immoral for people to start using multiple IDs/adopted names.

Yes it is accepted practise on internet to avoid using real name, but I believe if people want to make public statements then they should have the courage to use their real names and guts to stand by their remarks.

Parami my nick name was giving to me way back in 1973 after i came back from a 7 mth sea trip to Antarctia, it sort of followed me around plus i took up as my nick name any of the people in this area still call me by that nick name.

I think it might be some one from the Labour Party who do not want to see any opposition to the the Labour/Tory plans to closing of Oaklands Swimming Pool. they know to well that when the Socialist Party gets involve things don't tend to go the way they want them to go.

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:
And thinking about it Daniel Kerins you who class this as News, that the Echo might want to take up on or even support it.

If it were a genuine post it would have come from Dan and not Daniel ;-)

Can't The Echo ban the use of multiple usernames? It's becoming far too regular. Post under your usual name if you want to contribute.

Had all ready relise Iron, was going to keep them going till the echo noticed them.
all ready knew because the echo do not conduct them selfs on a web page when some one over steps the mark, you get an e-mail sent to you from the web editor.

Speaking from experience, southy? :)

Yes 3 years ago Georgem. I went across the line and with in 3 mins there was an e-mail from the web editor.

oh how can be done is how the old msn open chat use to do it.
You down load the site, and with that you give permission to have your CPU ID Number recored, and when you log on to the site again your CPU ID number is check, But it would stop the real experts who know there way round CCC+++ programming

CPU? Southy do you know what a CPU is?

The Echo record both your IP address and your MAC address.

Where does CPU come into it?

your IP address can be mask easy, and if you have the service like i have the IP address will be only the IP servers address and not the end user. Like if you was to check my IP address the location you would get would not be here, but Virgin media fibre optics server address in or near Hook
All CPU central processing units have there own personal ID numbers. and a program can track it.

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:
And thinking about it Daniel Kerins you who class this as News, that the Echo might want to take up on or even support it.

If it were a genuine post it would have come from Dan and not Daniel ;-)

Can't The Echo ban the use of multiple usernames? It's becoming far too regular. Post under your usual name if you want to contribute.

Had all ready relise Iron, was going to keep them going till the echo noticed them.
all ready knew because the echo do not conduct them selfs on a web page when some one over steps the mark, you get an e-mail sent to you from the web editor.

Speaking from experience, southy? :)

Yes 3 years ago Georgem. I went across the line and with in 3 mins there was an e-mail from the web editor.

oh how can be done is how the old msn open chat use to do it.
You down load the site, and with that you give permission to have your CPU ID Number recored, and when you log on to the site again your CPU ID number is check, But it would stop the real experts who know there way round CCC+++ programming

CPU? Southy do you know what a CPU is?

The Echo record both your IP address and your MAC address.

Where does CPU come into it?

your IP address can be mask easy, and if you have the service like i have the IP address will be only the IP servers address and not the end user. Like if you was to check my IP address the location you would get would not be here, but Virgin media fibre optics server address in or near Hook
All CPU central processing units have there own personal ID numbers. and a program can track it.

Southy, if your CPU is giving out info you have big problems.

I'm sitting here with our IT guy who is laughing.

He says your Lan Card or Router has a unique code, but not a CPU.

Steven Galton wrote:
Wow, Millbrook Councillor who yesterday voted for the closure of Oaklands pool comes on the attack...

From the Echo responding to Conservative budget - 31st January 2012 - Labour leader Richard Williams criticised the plans for being a “budget for the election” which failed to address funding issues and vowed that if his party won power in May's elections it would bring in a “mini budget” to reduce Tory cuts to jobs and services. "Whoever is in power after May will be bringing out some sort of mini budget because there are so many unanswered questions and we would look to make some significant changes which would include reducing cuts to jobs and services"

Far be it for me to suggest Labour have mis-lead anybody but I believe yesterdays mini budget did none of the above as Labour promised to their electorate during their campaign.

Steve Southy protests that the closure of Millbrook & oaklands school & the sell of them had to take place to pay for the building of the new school on 5acres.
As far as I know the parents of both schools voted for 5acres.
that the government provided the finance for the new build.
I was informed at the time of the decision that Oaklands would see the Lordshill Library & Housing office moved into it so could you please enlighten myself & the other readers on exactly what were the plans for Millbrook & oakland school buildings?

southy wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:
And thinking about it Daniel Kerins you who class this as News, that the Echo might want to take up on or even support it.

If it were a genuine post it would have come from Dan and not Daniel ;-)

Can't The Echo ban the use of multiple usernames? It's becoming far too regular. Post under your usual name if you want to contribute.

Iron Lady 2010 is right; it is immoral for people to start using multiple IDs/adopted names.

Yes it is accepted practise on internet to avoid using real name, but I believe if people want to make public statements then they should have the courage to use their real names and guts to stand by their remarks.

Parami my nick name was giving to me way back in 1973 after i came back from a 7 mth sea trip to Antarctia, it sort of followed me around plus i took up as my nick name any of the people in this area still call me by that nick name.

I think it might be some one from the Labour Party who do not want to see any opposition to the the Labour/Tory plans to closing of Oaklands Swimming Pool. they know to well that when the Socialist Party gets involve things don't tend to go the way they want them to go.

Peter I am aware Southy has been your nick name for a long time. I was not commenting about you when I wrote that, it was just an open observation.

We must accept the fact that there is nothing illegal about people calling themselves what ever they like. Yes it may be immoral in my view but that is how it works. That's probably why some do not take medium of Internet seriously.

Hey I just remembered, I forgot your meeting today. Sorry mate

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:
And thinking about it Daniel Kerins you who class this as News, that the Echo might want to take up on or even support it.

If it were a genuine post it would have come from Dan and not Daniel ;-)

Can't The Echo ban the use of multiple usernames? It's becoming far too regular. Post under your usual name if you want to contribute.

Had all ready relise Iron, was going to keep them going till the echo noticed them.
all ready knew because the echo do not conduct them selfs on a web page when some one over steps the mark, you get an e-mail sent to you from the web editor.

Speaking from experience, southy? :)

Yes 3 years ago Georgem. I went across the line and with in 3 mins there was an e-mail from the web editor.

oh how can be done is how the old msn open chat use to do it.
You down load the site, and with that you give permission to have your CPU ID Number recored, and when you log on to the site again your CPU ID number is check, But it would stop the real experts who know there way round CCC+++ programming

Lol naughty boy!

The rest of your post, is made up mumbo jumbo I'm afraid. Don't even bother arguing, I've been a software engineer for years.

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:
And thinking about it Daniel Kerins you who class this as News, that the Echo might want to take up on or even support it.

If it were a genuine post it would have come from Dan and not Daniel ;-)

Can't The Echo ban the use of multiple usernames? It's becoming far too regular. Post under your usual name if you want to contribute.

Had all ready relise Iron, was going to keep them going till the echo noticed them.
all ready knew because the echo do not conduct them selfs on a web page when some one over steps the mark, you get an e-mail sent to you from the web editor.

Speaking from experience, southy? :)

Yes 3 years ago Georgem. I went across the line and with in 3 mins there was an e-mail from the web editor.

oh how can be done is how the old msn open chat use to do it.
You down load the site, and with that you give permission to have your CPU ID Number recored, and when you log on to the site again your CPU ID number is check, But it would stop the real experts who know there way round CCC+++ programming

CPU? Southy do you know what a CPU is?

The Echo record both your IP address and your MAC address.

Where does CPU come into it?

Not your MAC address, no.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

southy wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:
And thinking about it Daniel Kerins you who class this as News, that the Echo might want to take up on or even support it.

If it were a genuine post it would have come from Dan and not Daniel ;-)

Can't The Echo ban the use of multiple usernames? It's becoming far too regular. Post under your usual name if you want to contribute.

Iron Lady 2010 is right; it is immoral for people to start using multiple IDs/adopted names.

Yes it is accepted practise on internet to avoid using real name, but I believe if people want to make public statements then they should have the courage to use their real names and guts to stand by their remarks.

Parami my nick name was giving to me way back in 1973 after i came back from a 7 mth sea trip to Antarctia, it sort of followed me around plus i took up as my nick name any of the people in this area still call me by that nick name.

I think it might be some one from the Labour Party who do not want to see any opposition to the the Labour/Tory plans to closing of Oaklands Swimming Pool. they know to well that when the Socialist Party gets involve things don't tend to go the way they want them to go.

Peter I am aware Southy has been your nick name for a long time. I was not commenting about you when I wrote that, it was just an open observation.

We must accept the fact that there is nothing illegal about people calling themselves what ever they like. Yes it may be immoral in my view but that is how it works. That's probably why some do not take medium of Internet seriously.

Hey I just remembered, I forgot your meeting today. Sorry mate

How is it immoral?

This is a Newspaper which allows comments. The only ones who use genuine names are those who choose to use the local Newspaper for political gain.

Why would I or any other member of the public feel the need to use a real name? We're only commenting on an article for no gain, just expressing an opinion, whereas others have alternative motives. You know the TUSC motive??

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:
And thinking about it Daniel Kerins you who class this as News, that the Echo might want to take up on or even support it.

If it were a genuine post it would have come from Dan and not Daniel ;-)

Can't The Echo ban the use of multiple usernames? It's becoming far too regular. Post under your usual name if you want to contribute.

Had all ready relise Iron, was going to keep them going till the echo noticed them.
all ready knew because the echo do not conduct them selfs on a web page when some one over steps the mark, you get an e-mail sent to you from the web editor.

Speaking from experience, southy? :)

Yes 3 years ago Georgem. I went across the line and with in 3 mins there was an e-mail from the web editor.

oh how can be done is how the old msn open chat use to do it.
You down load the site, and with that you give permission to have your CPU ID Number recored, and when you log on to the site again your CPU ID number is check, But it would stop the real experts who know there way round CCC+++ programming

CPU? Southy do you know what a CPU is?

The Echo record both your IP address and your MAC address.

Where does CPU come into it?

your IP address can be mask easy, and if you have the service like i have the IP address will be only the IP servers address and not the end user. Like if you was to check my IP address the location you would get would not be here, but Virgin media fibre optics server address in or near Hook
All CPU central processing units have there own personal ID numbers. and a program can track it.

Rubbish. I guarantee you that's rubbish.

Georgem wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:
And thinking about it Daniel Kerins you who class this as News, that the Echo might want to take up on or even support it.

If it were a genuine post it would have come from Dan and not Daniel ;-)

Can't The Echo ban the use of multiple usernames? It's becoming far too regular. Post under your usual name if you want to contribute.

Had all ready relise Iron, was going to keep them going till the echo noticed them.
all ready knew because the echo do not conduct them selfs on a web page when some one over steps the mark, you get an e-mail sent to you from the web editor.

Speaking from experience, southy? :)

Yes 3 years ago Georgem. I went across the line and with in 3 mins there was an e-mail from the web editor.

oh how can be done is how the old msn open chat use to do it.
You down load the site, and with that you give permission to have your CPU ID Number recored, and when you log on to the site again your CPU ID number is check, But it would stop the real experts who know there way round CCC+++ programming

CPU? Southy do you know what a CPU is?

The Echo record both your IP address and your MAC address.

Where does CPU come into it?

Not your MAC address, no.

Yes they do George, they will also see your operating system, screen size etc should they choose to dig deeper into the logs.

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:
And thinking about it Daniel Kerins you who class this as News, that the Echo might want to take up on or even support it.

If it were a genuine post it would have come from Dan and not Daniel ;-)

Can't The Echo ban the use of multiple usernames? It's becoming far too regular. Post under your usual name if you want to contribute.

Had all ready relise Iron, was going to keep them going till the echo noticed them.
all ready knew because the echo do not conduct them selfs on a web page when some one over steps the mark, you get an e-mail sent to you from the web editor.

Speaking from experience, southy? :)

Yes 3 years ago Georgem. I went across the line and with in 3 mins there was an e-mail from the web editor.

oh how can be done is how the old msn open chat use to do it.
You down load the site, and with that you give permission to have your CPU ID Number recored, and when you log on to the site again your CPU ID number is check, But it would stop the real experts who know there way round CCC+++ programming

CPU? Southy do you know what a CPU is?

The Echo record both your IP address and your MAC address.

Where does CPU come into it?

your IP address can be mask easy, and if you have the service like i have the IP address will be only the IP servers address and not the end user. Like if you was to check my IP address the location you would get would not be here, but Virgin media fibre optics server address in or near Hook
All CPU central processing units have there own personal ID numbers. and a program can track it.

Southy, if your CPU is giving out info you have big problems.

I'm sitting here with our IT guy who is laughing.

He says your Lan Card or Router has a unique code, but not a CPU.

He's making stuff up. He's trolling. Look where he mentions 'CCC+++', hoping someone will say "you mean C++", so he can pretend there's a programming language that he knows about that's top secret, that us idiot mere mortals haven't heard of. Bitten off more than he can chew this time, though. The one place you don't want to try and bluff people with made up tech talk, is the Internet.

IronLady2010 wrote:

Georgem wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:
And thinking about it Daniel Kerins you who class this as News, that the Echo might want to take up on or even support it.

If it were a genuine post it would have come from Dan and not Daniel ;-)

Can't The Echo ban the use of multiple usernames? It's becoming far too regular. Post under your usual name if you want to contribute.

Had all ready relise Iron, was going to keep them going till the echo noticed them.
all ready knew because the echo do not conduct them selfs on a web page when some one over steps the mark, you get an e-mail sent to you from the web editor.

Speaking from experience, southy? :)

Yes 3 years ago Georgem. I went across the line and with in 3 mins there was an e-mail from the web editor.

oh how can be done is how the old msn open chat use to do it.
You down load the site, and with that you give permission to have your CPU ID Number recored, and when you log on to the site again your CPU ID number is check, But it would stop the real experts who know there way round CCC+++ programming

CPU? Southy do you know what a CPU is?

The Echo record both your IP address and your MAC address.

Where does CPU come into it?

Not your MAC address, no.

Yes they do George, they will also see your operating system, screen size etc should they choose to dig deeper into the logs.

Nope. Origin MAC address is not sent with HTTP requests. You might see A MAC address, but if you do, it won't be the origin one. It will in all likelihood be from the first hop.

As a business owner, I have a website, my server logs both the IP address and the MAC aswell as operating system etc

My bloomin server is lying to be god **** it!

IronLady2010 wrote:
As a business owner, I have a website, my server logs both the IP address and the MAC aswell as operating system etc

My bloomin server is lying to be god **** it!

If it's logging your MAC address, that'll be because you're hitting the site from within the same network.

Georgem wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
As a business owner, I have a website, my server logs both the IP address and the MAC aswell as operating system etc

My bloomin server is lying to be god **** it!

If it's logging your MAC address, that'll be because you're hitting the site from within the same network.

OK thank you, but it's not logging my CPU lol x

IronLady2010 wrote:

Georgem wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
As a business owner, I have a website, my server logs both the IP address and the MAC aswell as operating system etc

My bloomin server is lying to be god **** it!

If it's logging your MAC address, that'll be because you're hitting the site from within the same network.

OK thank you, but it's not logging my CPU lol x

Well, no. It's not written in CCC+++.

IronLady2010 wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

southy wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:
And thinking about it Daniel Kerins you who class this as News, that the Echo might want to take up on or even support it.

If it were a genuine post it would have come from Dan and not Daniel ;-)

Can't The Echo ban the use of multiple usernames? It's becoming far too regular. Post under your usual name if you want to contribute.

Iron Lady 2010 is right; it is immoral for people to start using multiple IDs/adopted names.

Yes it is accepted practise on internet to avoid using real name, but I believe if people want to make public statements then they should have the courage to use their real names and guts to stand by their remarks.

Parami my nick name was giving to me way back in 1973 after i came back from a 7 mth sea trip to Antarctia, it sort of followed me around plus i took up as my nick name any of the people in this area still call me by that nick name.

I think it might be some one from the Labour Party who do not want to see any opposition to the the Labour/Tory plans to closing of Oaklands Swimming Pool. they know to well that when the Socialist Party gets involve things don't tend to go the way they want them to go.

Peter I am aware Southy has been your nick name for a long time. I was not commenting about you when I wrote that, it was just an open observation.

We must accept the fact that there is nothing illegal about people calling themselves what ever they like. Yes it may be immoral in my view but that is how it works. That's probably why some do not take medium of Internet seriously.

Hey I just remembered, I forgot your meeting today. Sorry mate

How is it immoral?

This is a Newspaper which allows comments. The only ones who use genuine names are those who choose to use the local Newspaper for political gain.

Why would I or any other member of the public feel the need to use a real name? We're only commenting on an article for no gain, just expressing an opinion, whereas others have alternative motives. You know the TUSC motive??

Mme, please read what I wrote not what you may think I may have done. It is clear:

“it may be immoral in my view” . It means others may have different views.

No I am not interested in starting a debate on your and my views on morality. So let us agree to disagree, and you carry on about CPU or IP addresses etc, which I must admit is all Greek to me. I am not that clever.

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:
And thinking about it Daniel Kerins you who class this as News, that the Echo might want to take up on or even support it.

If it were a genuine post it would have come from Dan and not Daniel ;-)

Can't The Echo ban the use of multiple usernames? It's becoming far too regular. Post under your usual name if you want to contribute.

Had all ready relise Iron, was going to keep them going till the echo noticed them.
all ready knew because the echo do not conduct them selfs on a web page when some one over steps the mark, you get an e-mail sent to you from the web editor.

Speaking from experience, southy? :)

Yes 3 years ago Georgem. I went across the line and with in 3 mins there was an e-mail from the web editor.

oh how can be done is how the old msn open chat use to do it.
You down load the site, and with that you give permission to have your CPU ID Number recored, and when you log on to the site again your CPU ID number is check, But it would stop the real experts who know there way round CCC+++ programming

CPU? Southy do you know what a CPU is?

The Echo record both your IP address and your MAC address.

Where does CPU come into it?

your IP address can be mask easy, and if you have the service like i have the IP address will be only the IP servers address and not the end user. Like if you was to check my IP address the location you would get would not be here, but Virgin media fibre optics server address in or near Hook
All CPU central processing units have there own personal ID numbers. and a program can track it.

Southy, if your CPU is giving out info you have big problems.

I'm sitting here with our IT guy who is laughing.

He says your Lan Card or Router has a unique code, but not a CPU.

So do your CPU have a unique number, like a car vin number.
how msn use to do it, before down loading there open chat program you get ask to tick a box to site rules and conditions, part of that if you took the trouble of reading it, if you tick the box then it carried on with the down load then part way though program, it would stop and your pc would tell you a program is trying access your pc (this is the point where it would get your PC personal ID from your CPU. you click allow and it would finish off down loading, This back in 1997 when it was just C+ programming, If you did not tick that box, or click refuse the program would stop and you would be denied access to MSN open chat. it was a simple way of keeping track of people and try to stop multi accounts. But like I said any one who knew there way programs would find away round it.

loosehead wrote:

Steven Galton wrote:
Wow, Millbrook Councillor who yesterday voted for the closure of Oaklands pool comes on the attack...

From the Echo responding to Conservative budget - 31st January 2012 - Labour leader Richard Williams criticised the plans for being a “budget for the election” which failed to address funding issues and vowed that if his party won power in May's elections it would bring in a “mini budget” to reduce Tory cuts to jobs and services. "Whoever is in power after May will be bringing out some sort of mini budget because there are so many unanswered questions and we would look to make some significant changes which would include reducing cuts to jobs and services"

Far be it for me to suggest Labour have mis-lead anybody but I believe yesterdays mini budget did none of the above as Labour promised to their electorate during their campaign.

Steve Southy protests that the closure of Millbrook & oaklands school & the sell of them had to take place to pay for the building of the new school on 5acres.
As far as I know the parents of both schools voted for 5acres.
that the government provided the finance for the new build.
I was informed at the time of the decision that Oaklands would see the Lordshill Library & Housing office moved into it so could you please enlighten myself & the other readers on exactly what were the plans for Millbrook & oakland school buildings?

theres an independant that stood in Coxford Ward Ricky lam???? he will tell you more or the less the same as I did, he was following from day one what was going on, I see him week ago for few hours, and he was saying that the Torys was bigger misleaders of the public than the Labour party over 5 acres and Millbrook and Oaklands Schools.
And as I pointed out to you these 2 Schools was under Oasis with the same group of people and teachers. And if you check with the Library there is no intension of moving the Library it was staying there as would the housing office.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

southy wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:
And thinking about it Daniel Kerins you who class this as News, that the Echo might want to take up on or even support it.

If it were a genuine post it would have come from Dan and not Daniel ;-)

Can't The Echo ban the use of multiple usernames? It's becoming far too regular. Post under your usual name if you want to contribute.

Iron Lady 2010 is right; it is immoral for people to start using multiple IDs/adopted names.

Yes it is accepted practise on internet to avoid using real name, but I believe if people want to make public statements then they should have the courage to use their real names and guts to stand by their remarks.

Parami my nick name was giving to me way back in 1973 after i came back from a 7 mth sea trip to Antarctia, it sort of followed me around plus i took up as my nick name any of the people in this area still call me by that nick name.

I think it might be some one from the Labour Party who do not want to see any opposition to the the Labour/Tory plans to closing of Oaklands Swimming Pool. they know to well that when the Socialist Party gets involve things don't tend to go the way they want them to go.

Peter I am aware Southy has been your nick name for a long time. I was not commenting about you when I wrote that, it was just an open observation.

We must accept the fact that there is nothing illegal about people calling themselves what ever they like. Yes it may be immoral in my view but that is how it works. That's probably why some do not take medium of Internet seriously.

Hey I just remembered, I forgot your meeting today. Sorry mate

Thats ok I could not attend my self tonight, others things have crop up

IronLady2010 wrote:

Georgem wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
As a business owner, I have a website, my server logs both the IP address and the MAC aswell as operating system etc

My bloomin server is lying to be god **** it!

If it's logging your MAC address, that'll be because you're hitting the site from within the same network.

OK thank you, but it's not logging my CPU lol x

nope cpu id number you would need to give permission to do so. all cpu's are given an id before they leave the factory, if you buy a brand new one, as a replacement the number is printed on the paper slip that comes with it.
with the fibre optics virgin media, to get the IP address of one of its customers you got to contact them and ask and give reason why you require it

southy wrote:

On the inside wrote: Thomas & Morrel are have lied to the electorate by standing for a party they now refuse to support. The issue is irrelevant, if you accept the whip of a party and stand for election on that basis you are saying you will stick with that party. If you are too stupid or nervous (pick which is which) to win your argument within that party you have a moral obligation to resign and go back to the electorate. Lets see you Thomas & Morrel are you socialists or just gutless cowards clinging to your £12k a year whilst wringing your hands and saying 'i did my best, I'm just not very good'.

I would say they are more Socialist than the rest of Capitalist Labour Party. They do not need to resign, its down to the area labour comittee to dicide weather to expell them from the labour party, and weather to put the ward seat up for election, but also they are allowed to change partys or carry on as an independant councilors. Is this what worrying you, that they might decide to join the TUSC like what as happened in other parts of the country or joined the independant Labour who are backing the TUSC, and making a stand against any cuts and would put the TUSC in the forefront here in Southampton and could change how people vote in the next elections.

More bad spells of whether! When will it all end and we get some sunshine?

loosehead wrote:
As I remember the repairs had already started & needed £10,000 to finish. After walking around the Channel Island estate delivering leaflets against the pool closure I know just how unhappy people on this estate are. they were never told by Labour that if they won power they would shut the pool. some can't afford to pay for David LLoyds or bus fares to Shirley . others worked & this pool was close so their children could go there in the holidays. A councillor stands in an area to represent that area& it's peoples wishes did Sally Spicer ask her voters if they wanted the pool shut? You are not voted in to follow blindly & do as you're told you're voted in firstly on a manifesto ( this wasn't in the manifesto) then to get the best deal for your voters so out of all the Labour councillors Thomas & Morrell have done that. What would the councillor for Millbrook do if Labour changed it's stance on the Bio Mass?

LH I think we are on a loser here, you can't fight City Hall, especially as you never know which way they are going turn, I guess people ignoring political dictate is a step forward in a way, I wish they would all ditch the dogma and vote with their conscience but only after testing the water (excuse the unintended pun in this case) and have got the opinions of those affected.

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:
And thinking about it Daniel Kerins you who class this as News, that the Echo might want to take up on or even support it.

If it were a genuine post it would have come from Dan and not Daniel ;-)

Can't The Echo ban the use of multiple usernames? It's becoming far too regular. Post under your usual name if you want to contribute.

Had all ready relise Iron, was going to keep them going till the echo noticed them.
all ready knew because the echo do not conduct them selfs on a web page when some one over steps the mark, you get an e-mail sent to you from the web editor.

Speaking from experience, southy? :)

Yes 3 years ago Georgem. I went across the line and with in 3 mins there was an e-mail from the web editor.

oh how can be done is how the old msn open chat use to do it.
You down load the site, and with that you give permission to have your CPU ID Number recored, and when you log on to the site again your CPU ID number is check, But it would stop the real experts who know there way round CCC+++ programming

CPU? Southy do you know what a CPU is?

The Echo record both your IP address and your MAC address.

Where does CPU come into it?

your IP address can be mask easy, and if you have the service like i have the IP address will be only the IP servers address and not the end user. Like if you was to check my IP address the location you would get would not be here, but Virgin media fibre optics server address in or near Hook
All CPU central processing units have there own personal ID numbers. and a program can track it.

Southy, if your CPU is giving out info you have big problems.

I'm sitting here with our IT guy who is laughing.

He says your Lan Card or Router has a unique code, but not a CPU.

So do your CPU have a unique number, like a car vin number.
how msn use to do it, before down loading there open chat program you get ask to tick a box to site rules and conditions, part of that if you took the trouble of reading it, if you tick the box then it carried on with the down load then part way though program, it would stop and your pc would tell you a program is trying access your pc (this is the point where it would get your PC personal ID from your CPU. you click allow and it would finish off down loading, This back in 1997 when it was just C+ programming, If you did not tick that box, or click refuse the program would stop and you would be denied access to MSN open chat. it was a simple way of keeping track of people and try to stop multi accounts. But like I said any one who knew there way programs would find away round it.

Give up. Seriously. Client-side software is not a website. The Echo website is a website. Since the primary point of the Echo website is to make ad revenue, they're not going to suddenly take it down and ask people to download Echo Messenger, just to keep a few trolls out.

And there's no such thing as C+.

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Georgem wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
As a business owner, I have a website, my server logs both the IP address and the MAC aswell as operating system etc

My bloomin server is lying to be god **** it!

If it's logging your MAC address, that'll be because you're hitting the site from within the same network.

OK thank you, but it's not logging my CPU lol x

nope cpu id number you would need to give permission to do so. all cpu's are given an id before they leave the factory, if you buy a brand new one, as a replacement the number is printed on the paper slip that comes with it.
with the fibre optics virgin media, to get the IP address of one of its customers you got to contact them and ask and give reason why you require it

Southy, there is a massive, I mean enormous, difference between a website and MSN messenger. So huge, in fact, that none of what you're saying applies whatsoever. Some of it, because of that difference, but most of it, because you just made it up.

chunky_lover wrote:
well, if the city stopped paying people benefits for years and years then there'd be tons more money, wouldn't there? For things like this...
They have no one else to blame except themselves.

I totally 100% agree with t his comment. IT would only need about 30 people taken off the dole with their rent being paid and other living costs and this pool and other such areas would have plenty of money in the pot! Id much rather my taxes go towards community centres and pools than lazy, low life, benefits bums that take take take. Id would add here that I have no problems my taxes paying benefits out to those '''''WHO NEED IT'''''' x

Catlyn9999 wrote:

chunky_lover wrote:
well, if the city stopped paying people benefits for years and years then there'd be tons more money, wouldn't there? For things like this...
They have no one else to blame except themselves.

I totally 100% agree with t his comment. IT would only need about 30 people taken off the dole with their rent being paid and other living costs and this pool and other such areas would have plenty of money in the pot! Id much rather my taxes go towards community centres and pools than lazy, low life, benefits bums that take take take. Id would add here that I have no problems my taxes paying benefits out to those '''''WHO NEED IT'''''' x

The problem in this case those payments wouldn't go directly to the local council they would go to central government.
I agree with both of you but unless this council stop those two high paid jobs that weren't needed under the last council & stop spending on pay restorations there will be more services cut & job losses so more on the dole