Councillors call for Oaklands referendum (From Daily Echo)

Since the cost of continuing to run the pool would fall on the whole city any fair poll will have to be city wide. Two problems with that. Firstly it will cost more thant these two have. Secondly they would not like the result.

How big of an area are they thinking about what council wards

LH would the money spent on a Referendum be better spent on the Pool instead?

Well if it only cost £10k to get it up and running ........... Use their allowances ( if thats what they want )to pay for it rather than a questionaire .. I am sure that Cllr Moulton who has been so vocal would also chip his in ....... Job done.
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If its to be a referendum/questiona
ire then what area will be covered ..... Dont forget Lordshiil border Test Valley with Nursling and Rownhams.
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In addition what questions will asked.
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Do you want the pool closed ... NO.
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Do you want to pay £10 per session to use it.... as you want it left open ..Err NO.
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Everyone who wants it open to pay £10 per person.
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There you go ......... all the ones that want it left open can pay for its upkeep ......... as soon as the numbers drop ....... then close it ....... It was going to close anyway

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Saved the City a fortune already.

Lone Ranger, I agree with you. Cllr Moulton and all Tory and Liberals took an allowance cut. If you can persuade Labour to do the same the monies is there to keep it open.
If you can persuade Labour to have the same number of cabinet posts as the Tories did, there is even more money available.
Come on Labour prove me wrong put the people of Southampton first and yourselves second for a change.

YES I fullY support to save Oaklands Swimming Pool and believe that it and other sports facilities in the building should be run and maintained by the Council.

Southampton Council has adopted policy of privatisation, which means privateers are profiteering and guess who is paying for their greed?....We the taxpayers of Southampton.

Why by running the services directly, as Councils used to do, millions that is ending in the pockets of share holders of those businesses, is not spent on services?

Rather than trying to unite people, NuLabourites along with others followers of 'I am OK Jack **** the rest' school of thought are trying to create friction between people on the basis where they live and who pays for what...

Those who do not live in area using Oaklands Pool should remember if the Council can get away with closing this Swimming Pool it will also be cutting services needed by them next.

Referendum proposed by our Councillors is a good idea. If my memory serves me right then Tories also proposed referendum in their amendment to NuLabour motion on that l proposed eyesore in Millbrook, but all others opposed that. Is that not the fact? Could others exploit record of that vote now against Don and Keith?

Having made that mistake, probably due to party loyalty or under order of Whip, two Coxford Councillors could wiggle out of tight situation by adding bit more to proposal of referendum; that for failing to keep her promise to save the swimming pool by "Moving Heaven and Earth" Cllr. Spicer has lost trust of people of Coxford, so should resign.

Finally, yet again, I request all those who want to save Oaklands Swimming
Pool to forget our party political differences and unite to oppose the Council. FOCUS SHOULD BE ON SAVING OAKLANDS SWIMMING POOL

aldermoorboy wrote:
Lone Ranger, I agree with you. Cllr Moulton and all Tory and Liberals took an allowance cut. If you can persuade Labour to do the same the monies is there to keep it open.
If you can persuade Labour to have the same number of cabinet posts as the Tories did, there is even more money available.
Come on Labour prove me wrong put the people of Southampton first and yourselves second for a change.

Quite obviously you DONT agree with me ..... as you attempted to twist the words on my post.
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Read it again

It's a bit of a puzzle why it will cost so much to bring this pool up to scratch. It was built, by the Labour council under Alan Whitehead, at the same time as the pool in Bitterne.

We went through all this with the old Centre 2000 and eventually that was replaced by the Quays. I understand the pressure on council finances thanks to the Lib/Con Coalition cuts. The Quays was largely paid for by the National Lottery. In our post-Olympic euphoria and with our PM apparently committed to improving sport for all, has the council tried to secure lottery/national government funding.

I know from experience that council officers often see the closure of facilities as the first option when times are hard. Cllr Payne needs to probe a bit further.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
YES I fullY support to save Oaklands Swimming Pool and believe that it and other sports facilities in the building should be run and maintained by the Council.

Southampton Council has adopted policy of privatisation, which means privateers are profiteering and guess who is paying for their greed?....We the taxpayers of Southampton.

Why by running the services directly, as Councils used to do, millions that is ending in the pockets of share holders of those businesses, is not spent on services?

Rather than trying to unite people, NuLabourites along with others followers of 'I am OK Jack **** the rest' school of thought are trying to create friction between people on the basis where they live and who pays for what...

Those who do not live in area using Oaklands Pool should remember if the Council can get away with closing this Swimming Pool it will also be cutting services needed by them next.

Referendum proposed by our Councillors is a good idea. If my memory serves me right then Tories also proposed referendum in their amendment to NuLabour motion on that l proposed eyesore in Millbrook, but all others opposed that. Is that not the fact? Could others exploit record of that vote now against Don and Keith?

Having made that mistake, probably due to party loyalty or under order of Whip, two Coxford Councillors could wiggle out of tight situation by adding bit more to proposal of referendum; that for failing to keep her promise to save the swimming pool by "Moving Heaven and Earth" Cllr. Spicer has lost trust of people of Coxford, so should resign.

Finally, yet again, I request all those who want to save Oaklands Swimming
Pool to forget our party political differences and unite to oppose the Council. FOCUS SHOULD BE ON SAVING OAKLANDS SWIMMING POOL

"Southampton Council has adopted policy of privatisation, which means privateers are profiteering and guess who is paying for their greed?....We the taxpayers of Southampton."
I think you have failed to grasp anything about the benefits of handing things over to the private sector. Any contract will have delivery targets like 'providing a safe reliable swimming pool for 'x' number of people' in exchange for a negotiated price over an agreed time. Your understanding seems to be that someone rakes in all of the profits and expects the owners (SCC) to keep paying the bills which may be the contractual terms but I doubt it. The biggest benefit is that the Council know what the costs are going to be for the contracted time and the headaches will be someone elses problem. Obviously this isn't going to be done for charity and the company taking on the contract will expect to see a return on their investment.

clr payne.council have no money.so where is the 100 million coming from for townhill park.you are a disgrace as is clr spicer who should do the decent thing and resign after stabbing her constituants in the back.also daily echo £750,000 wheres that figure come from.the masterplan has been signed sealed and delivered..southampt
on city council you are a disgrace and you will pay for mugging the people of coxford off.SAVE OAKLANDS SWIMMING POOL

see what i mean lone ranger(or is it man with no mates) bleating on again,i doubt even if you live in the vicinity.

When the council voted on a preferendum on the Bio Mass Jeremy Moulton & the Tory party asked if they would have a referendum on the Oaklands Pool this was thrown out by the council & I commented on it in one of my posts.
The council were okeay doing it to please Freemantle & Millbrook ( original Millbrook) residents but weren't okay seeing Lordshill & Coxford residents voting against their decision to close the pool.
Why have these two suddenly spoken out now?
Why didn't they support the Tories?
Is this just a way for them to keep their voter base?
When are they being punished for refusing to back the council?
is that a lie? are the council deceiving us? are they ensuring these two councillors keep their seats after the pool is shut?
Look if they were so against the closure why weren't they joining the Tories out leafletting & trying to save the Pool before the vote to close it?

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Lone Ranger, I agree with you. Cllr Moulton and all Tory and Liberals took an allowance cut. If you can persuade Labour to do the same the monies is there to keep it open.
If you can persuade Labour to have the same number of cabinet posts as the Tories did, there is even more money available.
Come on Labour prove me wrong put the people of Southampton first and yourselves second for a change.

Quite obviously you DONT agree with me ..... as you attempted to twist the words on my post.
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Read it again

Lone Ranger the Tory council & the Liberals all took a 5.5% pay cut Labour refused

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
LH would the money spent on a Referendum be better spent on the Pool instead?

Osprey as I've just said to Lone Ranger that under the last council both the Tories & liberals took a 5.5% pay cut but Labour refused to do so.
cut their wages by 5.5% & scrap the two invented £22,000 a year extra cabinet jobs.
put those two's savings together & you've got £44,000 with the 5.5% cut to add to it.
You wouldn't need to shut the pool & you wouldn't need a referendum.
scrap the proposed referendum on Bio Mass saving even more money.
I don't swim but I'd rather local kids in this pool enjoying themselves & keeping healthy rather than hanging around the estate.
Osprey do the repairs get it shipshape then if it's not viable see if the company that runs the rest think they can turn it around.
See if Sainsbury's & other shops will advertise on the out side & inside to bring in more revenue?

Ford Prefect wrote:
It's a bit of a puzzle why it will cost so much to bring this pool up to scratch. It was built, by the Labour council under Alan Whitehead, at the same time as the pool in Bitterne.

We went through all this with the old Centre 2000 and eventually that was replaced by the Quays. I understand the pressure on council finances thanks to the Lib/Con Coalition cuts. The Quays was largely paid for by the National Lottery. In our post-Olympic euphoria and with our PM apparently committed to improving sport for all, has the council tried to secure lottery/national government funding.

I know from experience that council officers often see the closure of facilities as the first option when times are hard. Cllr Payne needs to probe a bit further.

Don't you mean thanks to the guy who left a note in the treasury saying the cupboards bare?
Wasn't he/she an outgoing Labour MP?

lordshill loyal wrote:
clr payne.council have no money.so where is the 100 million coming from for townhill park.you are a disgrace as is clr spicer who should do the decent thing and resign after stabbing her constituants in the back.also daily echo £750,000 wheres that figure come from.the masterplan has been signed sealed and delivered..southampt

on city council you are a disgrace and you will pay for mugging the people of coxford off.SAVE OAKLANDS SWIMMING POOL

They promised to keep Erskine court open they said the Tories would shut the Pool & they wouldn't they've lied about both.
The Tories admitted & made it quite clear they would shut Erskine court & build flats on it they also stated if the Lordshill plan went ahead a brand new pool would be built.
say what you like about the Tories but they never lied on both these subjects Labour has lied through it's teeth & now the electorate can see exactly what they are!

Spoke to a lady from Erskine Court this morning.
she went to the meeting with Warwick-Payne.
He said he was going to demolish the place.
He said to Don Thomas & Keith Morrell back me or be sacked from the Labour Party/council.
Why wasn't this done on the pool?
The Tory Party have it in their manifesto if the pool is to be demolished a new one will be built to take it's place Labour have not promised this.
Labour know on this they can't lose two councillors (Labour) fighting for the people who will vote against them?
even though it's a Labour Council shutting it down it won't be seen to be these two councillors fault will it?
Erskine court were conned & so were the families who voted labour to support it & keep it open.
I hope the supporters of the pool don't get fooled by these two Labour councillors.
If they are threatened with the sack again will they back down as they did with Erskine Court?

This problem should never have come about. The pool should have been part of the planning consent for the new academy. The money raised from the redevelopment of the old site should have been earmaked for lordshill coxford community. What happenend to the plans for a community hub that was to be built on the area behind the library. I also assume that any money raised from the sell off of the area for the new adcademy will by now have been spent / wasted. Unfortunatly I believe that the long term future for the pool was destined many years ago.

loosehead wrote:

Ford Prefect wrote:
It's a bit of a puzzle why it will cost so much to bring this pool up to scratch. It was built, by the Labour council under Alan Whitehead, at the same time as the pool in Bitterne.

We went through all this with the old Centre 2000 and eventually that was replaced by the Quays. I understand the pressure on council finances thanks to the Lib/Con Coalition cuts. The Quays was largely paid for by the National Lottery. In our post-Olympic euphoria and with our PM apparently committed to improving sport for all, has the council tried to secure lottery/national government funding.

I know from experience that council officers often see the closure of facilities as the first option when times are hard. Cllr Payne needs to probe a bit further.

Don't you mean thanks to the guy who left a note in the treasury saying the cupboards bare?
Wasn't he/she an outgoing Labour MP?

And the note before that said we have spent all the money, those notes between the out going and in coming of the Treasury have been going on since the Victorian times, you can even buy a book that as those notes being quoted for you to read.

loosehead wrote:
Spoke to a lady from Erskine Court this morning.
she went to the meeting with Warwick-Payne.
He said he was going to demolish the place.
He said to Don Thomas & Keith Morrell back me or be sacked from the Labour Party/council.
Why wasn't this done on the pool?
The Tory Party have it in their manifesto if the pool is to be demolished a new one will be built to take it's place Labour have not promised this.
Labour know on this they can't lose two councillors (Labour) fighting for the people who will vote against them?
even though it's a Labour Council shutting it down it won't be seen to be these two councillors fault will it?
Erskine court were conned & so were the families who voted labour to support it & keep it open.
I hope the supporters of the pool don't get fooled by these two Labour councillors.
If they are threatened with the sack again will they back down as they did with Erskine Court?

They could put that in there manifest easy, one was that they knew last year that they would lose control of the council this year, ( even I posted on this site just before and just after the local elections in may 2011, that the Torys would lose the elections and control of the council in may 2012 ).
The Torys all ready knew Oasis would not have a public swimming pool on the new school grounds.

loosehead wrote:

Ford Prefect wrote:
It's a bit of a puzzle why it will cost so much to bring this pool up to scratch. It was built, by the Labour council under Alan Whitehead, at the same time as the pool in Bitterne.

We went through all this with the old Centre 2000 and eventually that was replaced by the Quays. I understand the pressure on council finances thanks to the Lib/Con Coalition cuts. The Quays was largely paid for by the National Lottery. In our post-Olympic euphoria and with our PM apparently committed to improving sport for all, has the council tried to secure lottery/national government funding.

I know from experience that council officers often see the closure of facilities as the first option when times are hard. Cllr Payne needs to probe a bit further.

Don't you mean thanks to the guy who left a note in the treasury saying the cupboards bare?
Wasn't he/she an outgoing Labour MP?

Liam Byrne did say to David Laws when he took over "there is no money left" but later admitted it to be a joke. Outgoing chancellors have always traditionally left a message to the next incumbant, usually advice.
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Compare this message with the message left in 1964. The letter recalls a similar note left by Tory Reginald Maudling to his Labour successor James Callaghan in 1964: "Good luck, old **** ... Sorry to leave it in such a mess."
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Erskine Court was under threat by the Tory Council to be closed down, the Torys closed down Whiteheaven, they also wanted to close Vellan Court, they closed down the Childrens home and sold it to a private redelovoper in porlock rd, Cumbrian way shopping center, pulled down and most was sold to private development, a shopping center that had nothing wrong with it.

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Lone Ranger, I agree with you. Cllr Moulton and all Tory and Liberals took an allowance cut. If you can persuade Labour to do the same the monies is there to keep it open.
If you can persuade Labour to have the same number of cabinet posts as the Tories did, there is even more money available.
Come on Labour prove me wrong put the people of Southampton first and yourselves second for a change.

Quite obviously you DONT agree with me ..... as you attempted to twist the words on my post.
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Read it again

Lone Ranger the Tory council & the Liberals all took a 5.5% pay cut Labour refused

When was that then .... only i cant see that anywhere in the archives ........ And i would have thought the the Council leader at that time would have put it on the Echo front page with his photo.
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Perhaps you can enlighten me.
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Also cant see it in the Cllrs payments

Southy times change, more and more people want to stay in their own homes and have help there, so there may not be the need for so many homes.

aldermoorboy wrote:
Southy times change, more and more people want to stay in their own homes and have help there, so there may not be the need for so many homes.

And the number that don't have any one is rising, if any thing more will be needed as more and more young adults are leaving the country to live else where around the world

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote: Lone Ranger, I agree with you. Cllr Moulton and all Tory and Liberals took an allowance cut. If you can persuade Labour to do the same the monies is there to keep it open. If you can persuade Labour to have the same number of cabinet posts as the Tories did, there is even more money available. Come on Labour prove me wrong put the people of Southampton first and yourselves second for a change.

Quite obviously you DONT agree with me ..... as you attempted to twist the words on my post. . Read it again

Lone Ranger the Tory council & the Liberals all took a 5.5% pay cut Labour refused

Labour councillors also took a cut of 5.5%, difference was we paid it to groups which had suffered a cut. I pay £50 a month to a local womens group which helps rape victims, grant cut by Tories.

Lone Ranger. wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Lone Ranger, I agree with you. Cllr Moulton and all Tory and Liberals took an allowance cut. If you can persuade Labour to do the same the monies is there to keep it open.
If you can persuade Labour to have the same number of cabinet posts as the Tories did, there is even more money available.
Come on Labour prove me wrong put the people of Southampton first and yourselves second for a change.

Quite obviously you DONT agree with me ..... as you attempted to twist the words on my post.
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Read it again

Lone Ranger the Tory council & the Liberals all took a 5.5% pay cut Labour refused

When was that then .... only i cant see that anywhere in the archives ........ And i would have thought the the Council leader at that time would have put it on the Echo front page with his photo.
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Perhaps you can enlighten me.
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Also cant see it in the Cllrs payments

A quote fron Sotondave.
Labour councillors also took a cut of 5.5%, difference was we paid it to groups which had suffered a cut. I pay £50 a month to a local womens group which helps rape victims, grant cut by Tories.
So even a Labour councillor admits to this happening.
don't you think you should start to believe I do talk the truth?

Sotondave, if you have proof that all Labour councillors took the pay cut of 5.5% like the Liberals and Tories did, I will stop going on about that.
Maybe you could then on go to reduce the cabinet by two as the Tories did. That will save £22,000 per year.
LETS SEE THE EVIDENCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

aldermoorboy wrote:
Sotondave, if you have proof that all Labour councillors took the pay cut of 5.5% like the Liberals and Tories did, I will stop going on about that.
Maybe you could then on go to reduce the cabinet by two as the Tories did. That will save £22,000 per year.
LETS SEE THE EVIDENCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If I remember rightly Labour refused flat out to take the cut & it was in this paper saying exactly that.
Aldermoor boy I used the above quote to show Lone Ranger that the Tory council plus the Liberals did in fact take the cut.
This is another Lie from a Labour councillor like the lies Don Thomas & Keith Morrel are telling to save their seats & the Lies Labour made on Erskin Court

aldermoorboy wrote:
Sotondave, if you have proof that all Labour councillors took the pay cut of 5.5% like the Liberals and Tories did, I will stop going on about that.
Maybe you could then on go to reduce the cabinet by two as the Tories did. That will save £22,000 per year.
LETS SEE THE EVIDENCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How about those 4 mths contracts giving to the Tory Spindoctors at a very high cost one was around £80k for 4mths.

southy wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Sotondave, if you have proof that all Labour councillors took the pay cut of 5.5% like the Liberals and Tories did, I will stop going on about that.
Maybe you could then on go to reduce the cabinet by two as the Tories did. That will save £22,000 per year.
LETS SEE THE EVIDENCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How about those 4 mths contracts giving to the Tory Spindoctors at a very high cost one was around £80k for 4mths.

Southy why don't you admit you're just an attack dog for the Labour party?
even when you know they're lying on almost everything they promised to do you have to turn it into an attack on the Tory party?
the Pool would have stayed or a new one built under the Tories & don't say they promised that to keep power.
everything the Tories promised came to past even if it made them unpopular they unlike you & this Labour party told the truth they said what they were doing to Erskine Court Labour lied .
It's about time if you're really interested in saving the pool & not just trying to drum up support for the TUSC to join forces with the Tories & fight this closure so come on put you're cards on the table & let's see exactly what you're about?

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Sotondave, if you have proof that all Labour councillors took the pay cut of 5.5% like the Liberals and Tories did, I will stop going on about that.
Maybe you could then on go to reduce the cabinet by two as the Tories did. That will save £22,000 per year.
LETS SEE THE EVIDENCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How about those 4 mths contracts giving to the Tory Spindoctors at a very high cost one was around £80k for 4mths.

Southy why don't you admit you're just an attack dog for the Labour party?
even when you know they're lying on almost everything they promised to do you have to turn it into an attack on the Tory party?
the Pool would have stayed or a new one built under the Tories & don't say they promised that to keep power.
everything the Tories promised came to past even if it made them unpopular they unlike you & this Labour party told the truth they said what they were doing to Erskine Court Labour lied .
It's about time if you're really interested in saving the pool & not just trying to drum up support for the TUSC to join forces with the Tories & fight this closure so come on put you're cards on the table & let's see exactly what you're about?

No I not I will attack Labour also and have done, We was fighting the Closure of the Pool before the Election when we had a Tory council, Who knew at the time Oasis would not have a public pool on school grounds, they was political spining in there manifest, they did not tell any one that they was in talks with Sainsburys to take over the Oaklands School for there new Super Store, it was the Torys that tried to closed Erskine Court, the Torys even tried to close Vellan Court, the Torys did close Whiteheaven home, aand the Torys sold off the Homeless Childrens Home at the back off me.

Well said Loosehead, correct as usual

If you remember the TUSC said about the cuts that the Torys, Lib/dems and Labour will make, and who will lose out.
And its a Classic Case of We Told You So

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Sotondave, if you have proof that all Labour councillors took the pay cut of 5.5% like the Liberals and Tories did, I will stop going on about that.
Maybe you could then on go to reduce the cabinet by two as the Tories did. That will save £22,000 per year.
LETS SEE THE EVIDENCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How about those 4 mths contracts giving to the Tory Spindoctors at a very high cost one was around £80k for 4mths.

Southy why don't you admit you're just an attack dog for the Labour party?
even when you know they're lying on almost everything they promised to do you have to turn it into an attack on the Tory party?
the Pool would have stayed or a new one built under the Tories & don't say they promised that to keep power.
everything the Tories promised came to past even if it made them unpopular they unlike you & this Labour party told the truth they said what they were doing to Erskine Court Labour lied .
It's about time if you're really interested in saving the pool & not just trying to drum up support for the TUSC to join forces with the Tories & fight this closure so come on put you're cards on the table & let's see exactly what you're about?

No I not I will attack Labour also and have done, We was fighting the Closure of the Pool before the Election when we had a Tory council, Who knew at the time Oasis would not have a public pool on school grounds, they was political spining in there manifest, they did not tell any one that they was in talks with Sainsburys to take over the Oaklands School for there new Super Store, it was the Torys that tried to closed Erskine Court, the Torys even tried to close Vellan Court, the Torys did close Whiteheaven home, aand the Torys sold off the Homeless Childrens Home at the back off me.

So why exactly are Labour closing Erskine whilst threatening to sack these two Labour councillors?
Yet they're not threatening to sack them just slap their wrists over the closure of the Pool that Labour promised to keep?
Southy wake up Labour are allowing these two to oppose the closure to save their seats you say you're an intelligent man?
Well use that brain & you'll work it out for yourself.
SAVE THE POOL FROM LABOUR

southy wrote:
If you remember the TUSC said about the cuts that the Torys, Lib/dems and Labour will make, and who will lose out.
And its a Classic Case of We Told You So

But you're backing the wrong group again aren't you?
Save OAKLANDS POOL FROM LABOUR CUTS

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:
If you remember the TUSC said about the cuts that the Torys, Lib/dems and Labour will make, and who will lose out.
And its a Classic Case of We Told You So

But you're backing the wrong group again aren't you?
Save OAKLANDS POOL FROM LABOUR CUTS

All Labour is doing is carrying on where the Torys have left off, You got the same Policy just with a different face.
Save Oaklands from the Labour and Tory Cuts.

The City Council is elected to govern.
If every time there is a disagreement on a policy passed by the majority, a small minority, win the right to a referendum, then where the hell would we be?!
Morell and Thomas should resign and form their own Party -- I wonder where that would get them?!!

Sotondave, I see no evidence, what should the electors believe?
I suspect Labour did not take the 5.5% cut the Tories and Liberals did, what an example to set for the young.
Will Sally Spicer move heaven and earth to prove they all did?
Sally or Dave prove it, then I will say I was wrong.

TEBOURBA wrote:
The City Council is elected to govern.
If every time there is a disagreement on a policy passed by the majority, a small minority, win the right to a referendum, then where the hell would we be?!
Morell and Thomas should resign and form their own Party -- I wonder where that would get them?!!

relected when there seat comes up for election again.

loosehead wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
LH would the money spent on a Referendum be better spent on the Pool instead?

Osprey as I've just said to Lone Ranger that under the last council both the Tories & liberals took a 5.5% pay cut but Labour refused to do so.
cut their wages by 5.5% & scrap the two invented £22,000 a year extra cabinet jobs.
put those two's savings together & you've got £44,000 with the 5.5% cut to add to it.
You wouldn't need to shut the pool & you wouldn't need a referendum.
scrap the proposed referendum on Bio Mass saving even more money.
I don't swim but I'd rather local kids in this pool enjoying themselves & keeping healthy rather than hanging around the estate.
Osprey do the repairs get it shipshape then if it's not viable see if the company that runs the rest think they can turn it around.
See if Sainsbury's & other shops will advertise on the out side & inside to bring in more revenue?

You are never too old to learn to swim, it is good exercise, try it. If you and others had used the pool more often it wouldn't be under threat. It is good you are fighting for those that do use it, keep up the good work.

aldermoorboy wrote:
Sotondave, I see no evidence, what should the electors believe?
I suspect Labour did not take the 5.5% cut the Tories and Liberals did, what an example to set for the young.
Will Sally Spicer move heaven and earth to prove they all did?
Sally or Dave prove it, then I will say I was wrong.

Where is your proof that Tories and Lib dems took a cut ....... and ...... where is your proof that Labour didnt.
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A link would be good for proof .... over to you

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Sotondave, I see no evidence, what should the electors believe?
I suspect Labour did not take the 5.5% cut the Tories and Liberals did, what an example to set for the young.
Will Sally Spicer move heaven and earth to prove they all did?
Sally or Dave prove it, then I will say I was wrong.

Where is your proof that Tories and Lib dems took a cut ....... and ...... where is your proof that Labour didnt.
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A link would be good for proof .... over to you

There's this one.
Councillors will have their allowances cut by five per cent.there's this.
All councillors volunteered to reduce their allowances by 5.5 per cent earlier this year as thousands of staff faced pay cuts to save cash.
now I've shown extracts from echo article's can Labour show proof they indeed took the cut's or did they as they've previously admitted refused to take pay cuts to help out a Tory budget?
Come on Lone Ranger do you honestly believe after all the lies that are now surfacing that Labour would think of any one else but themselves?

Yes it is true that Labour councillors took a 5.5% pay cut. We decided to pay that proportion to groups which had had their grants cut by the Tory council. I pay mine to Womens Aid and others pay to other groups. There is a deduction on my 'payslip' each month under 'Give As You Earn'. The choice of which group to pay to was up to each individual councillor. We did not publicise who we were paying money to as the Tories would have cut their grant even more. I know that as a result of our actions one group was able to keep on a member of staff on a part time basis.

Well done Sotondave for giving the money to Womens aid.

I have been informed the Tories did not cut aid to this group.

I would still like evidence all your colleagues have followed suit.

Now if you persuade your colleagues to scrap the two NEW cabinet positions saving £22,000 this money could help keep the pool open.

Anyway, well done for your actions.

aldermoorboy wrote:
Well done Sotondave for giving the money to Womens aid.

I have been informed the Tories did not cut aid to this group.

I would still like evidence all your colleagues have followed suit.

Now if you persuade your colleagues to scrap the two NEW cabinet positions saving £22,000 this money could help keep the pool open.

Anyway, well done for your actions.

But why didn't they offer to do this to stop a portion of council workers from taking a pay cut?
Were they happy to see industrial action ?
Why are they shutting this pool & Erskine court going back on all the promises they made?
They could switch their 5.5% cut to funding pay restoration along with scrapping two posts each costing £22,000 this should restore the pay to those who still have a job after the weekly collections go & they lay off 1-10

aldermoorboy wrote:
Well done Sotondave for giving the money to Womens aid.

I have been informed the Tories did not cut aid to this group.

I would still like evidence all your colleagues have followed suit.

Now if you persuade your colleagues to scrap the two NEW cabinet positions saving £22,000 this money could help keep the pool open.

Anyway, well done for your actions.

Why dont you produce evidence what the Tory coincillors are doing with theirs.
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sotondave has told you what has happened and you still require evidence of others actions ........ Yes cant produce any yourself .......

Lone Ranger. wrote:

aldermoorboy wrote:
Well done Sotondave for giving the money to Womens aid.

I have been informed the Tories did not cut aid to this group.

I would still like evidence all your colleagues have followed suit.

Now if you persuade your colleagues to scrap the two NEW cabinet positions saving £22,000 this money could help keep the pool open.

Anyway, well done for your actions.

Why dont you produce evidence what the Tory coincillors are doing with theirs.
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sotondave has told you what has happened and you still require evidence of others actions ........ Yes cant produce any yourself .......

Lone Ranger if they aren't taking 5.5% of their wages this is money to be used on other council projects like pay for council workers.
why if Labour were so anti the pay cuts didn't they put their money towards limiting the cuts?
why have they invented two posts worth £22,000 each?
add up the money from all Labour councillors on a 5.5% pay cut (if there's many more) add that towards the £44,000 from scrapping those two made up posts & use it towards limiting/restoring pay cuts.
Or is it just better to shut a pool.demolish Erskine court than take jobs for the boys away?

When we are accused of not taking the paycut I tell you that is untrue and we did take the paycut the argument then switches to something else. I guess if we had given towards restoring paycuts the Tory council would have reduced the paycut by 0.01%.
We were against paycuts but also against cutting funding for various groups. Labour councillors must be terrible people as whatever we do it is wrong.

sottondave wrote:
When we are accused of not taking the paycut I tell you that is untrue and we did take the paycut the argument then switches to something else. I guess if we had given towards restoring paycuts the Tory council would have reduced the paycut by 0.01%.
We were against paycuts but also against cutting funding for various groups. Labour councillors must be terrible people as whatever we do it is wrong.

Dave, Everything you do may not appear to be wrong, but in a very short space of time the NuLabour Group has found unbelievable amount of banana skins.

Decision to close Oaklands Swimming pool, of which virtually whole of old Labour was proud because we had done something useful for people of its catchment area is in my opinion the biggest folly.

From even NuLabour's opportunist point, it has split your Group. Has upset your Party's solid supporters in Coxford.
And if opposition decides to target your new member Cllr Spicer for promising to "move heaven and earth" but then failing to put money where her mouth is, it is bound to backfire not only on her but also your Party.

Who do you think will gain?... That's why these people keep on raising these questions.My advice will be not to bite the bate.

Also use your influence within your Group and Party to get rid of Dear Leader and his Deputy.

Yor Group and Party should lay off Don and Keith, get senior and experinced persons like John Denham and Alan Whitehead to advise the Group, and start standing up for your core supporters.

Reversing the decision to close Oaklands Swimming Pool will prove starter for healing process in your Party's relationship with 'Labour' base.

sottondave wrote:
When we are accused of not taking the paycut I tell you that is untrue and we did take the paycut the argument then switches to something else. I guess if we had given towards restoring paycuts the Tory council would have reduced the paycut by 0.01%.
We were against paycuts but also against cutting funding for various groups. Labour councillors must be terrible people as whatever we do it is wrong.

Why did your party make up two extra cabinet posts?
Can you prove all Labour councillors did the same as you say you did?
why/how are you going to restore pay whilst you're spending money as if it's in plenty supply?
£50million more on Townhill Park than the tories were spending,£45,000 for a referendum on Bio Mass? 2 New made up cabinet posts worth £22,000 each can you see why we're asking exactly where this monies coming from & where's the £7million+ coming from to restore the pay cuts?

Lone Ranger, the Tories and the Liberals did all take the 5.5% pay cut. As far as I know only Sotondave as done the same for Labour, shame on those who have not, greedy Labour councillors.
If you don't believe me ring the council, they will tell you the truth.
Or look on the Southampton council web site they give all the allowances taken.
Labour first, the public second, same all story.

aldermoorboy wrote:
Lone Ranger, the Tories and the Liberals did all take the 5.5% pay cut. As far as I know only Sotondave as done the same for Labour, shame on those who have not, greedy Labour councillors.
If you don't believe me ring the council, they will tell you the truth.
Or look on the Southampton council web site they give all the allowances taken.
Labour first, the public second, same all story.

READ what southamptondave has posted will you.
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If you dont believe it then thats up to you.
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He has told about the pay cut ....... accept it and move on ...... Or else you will make yourself ill ......... and look even more stupid

Lone Ranger, the Tories and the Liberals did all take the 5.5% pay cut. As far as I know only Sotondave as done the same for Labour,
If you don't believe me ring the council, they will tell you the truth.
Or look on the Southampton council web site they give all the allowances taken.
lone ranger you asked for proof I've shown you Echo articles.
Aldermoor boy has told you where to look or where to ask.
you could try e-mailling the council & then pasting the reply in a post?
or do you want us to blindly believe a Labour councillor the way Erskine Court did?

To all concerned
as it is Tories who are demanding that all Labour councillors prove they have taken the paycut this was announced last year in the council chamber. You can ask one of your Tory councillor friends if you don't believe me.

We all filled in the forms at the same time and handed them into Democratic Services. Labour councillors who were a bit slow in filling in a form were chased up until they did. We passed a motion in the Labour Group so we all agreed to it.
Or I am a big fat liar who makes stories up on the Echo website just for fun and your cunning and guile has again shown up Labour councillors for the awful bunch we are. I don't know how you manage to show us up as we spend all our time trying to think up stories to try and convince Loosehead that we are really nice people.

I really don't care what you believe as I have better things to do with my time.

sottondave wrote:
To all concerned
as it is Tories who are demanding that all Labour councillors prove they have taken the paycut this was announced last year in the council chamber. You can ask one of your Tory councillor friends if you don't believe me.

We all filled in the forms at the same time and handed them into Democratic Services. Labour councillors who were a bit slow in filling in a form were chased up until they did. We passed a motion in the Labour Group so we all agreed to it.
Or I am a big fat liar who makes stories up on the Echo website just for fun and your cunning and guile has again shown up Labour councillors for the awful bunch we are. I don't know how you manage to show us up as we spend all our time trying to think up stories to try and convince Loosehead that we are really nice people.

I really don't care what you believe as I have better things to do with my time.

Wrong My Tory council friend as you put it said Labour Councillors refused to take a 5.5% pay cut.

To all who wish to save this pool Mike Tucker & the other unions convenor have just signed the death knell of this pool.
Under the Tories even after they raised the starting wage of pay cuts to £22,000 Unite refused to stop court action & recommended a NO vote.
Now they're accepting job cuts(after review 1-10) & stopping legal action which I find strange as it was their members who were taking it wasn't it?
They are recommending this deal to their members so the money from the sell of this will be needed so kiss goodbye to Oaklands Pool

loosehead wrote:

sottondave wrote: To all concerned as it is Tories who are demanding that all Labour councillors prove they have taken the paycut this was announced last year in the council chamber. You can ask one of your Tory councillor friends if you don't believe me. We all filled in the forms at the same time and handed them into Democratic Services. Labour councillors who were a bit slow in filling in a form were chased up until they did. We passed a motion in the Labour Group so we all agreed to it. Or I am a big fat liar who makes stories up on the Echo website just for fun and your cunning and guile has again shown up Labour councillors for the awful bunch we are. I don't know how you manage to show us up as we spend all our time trying to think up stories to try and convince Loosehead that we are really nice people. I really don't care what you believe as I have better things to do with my time.

Wrong My Tory council friend as you put it said Labour Councillors refused to take a 5.5% pay cut.

So it must be the big fat liar argument.

sottondave wrote:

loosehead wrote:

sottondave wrote: To all concerned as it is Tories who are demanding that all Labour councillors prove they have taken the paycut this was announced last year in the council chamber. You can ask one of your Tory councillor friends if you don't believe me. We all filled in the forms at the same time and handed them into Democratic Services. Labour councillors who were a bit slow in filling in a form were chased up until they did. We passed a motion in the Labour Group so we all agreed to it. Or I am a big fat liar who makes stories up on the Echo website just for fun and your cunning and guile has again shown up Labour councillors for the awful bunch we are. I don't know how you manage to show us up as we spend all our time trying to think up stories to try and convince Loosehead that we are really nice people. I really don't care what you believe as I have better things to do with my time.

Wrong My Tory council friend as you put it said Labour Councillors refused to take a 5.5% pay cut.

So it must be the big fat liar argument.

Easy print out a list of all Labour councillors showing exactly where this money's going to or can't you?
If you can't maybe you're Labour colleagues have lied to you?