Unions agree settlement with council (From Daily Echo)

A victory for common sense.

If Royston Smith had been prepared to negotiate instead of wanting to dictate, this threat need never have arisen.

Not really a victory or common sense.
Just a waste of tax payers money spent on a dispute which has seen staff
pay put back to what is was before!

Linesman wrote:
A victory for common sense.

If Royston Smith had been prepared to negotiate instead of wanting to dictate, this threat need never have arisen.

Taken in by the BS I see. Political in purpose only, the Union members have been taken for mugs, pawns of those who wallow in hypocrisy.

Political strike.
If unions thought they could get £12m they would have.
Unions rule Southampton, vote Labour or else.
I hope the voters show guts next time and vote Tory.

Political strike.
If unions thought they could get £12m they would have.
Unions rule Southampton, vote Labour or else.
I hope the voters show guts next time and vote Tory.

However you read it, the Unions control SCC and while the Unions rule it, we will continue to go backwards...........
...

Linesman wrote:
A victory for common sense.

If Royston Smith had been prepared to negotiate instead of wanting to dictate, this threat need never have arisen.

.. but a shattering blow for southy and the Trots.

Why, a short while ago he was advocating an all our strike, not just locally but a fully fledged General Strike.

freefinker wrote:

Linesman wrote:
A victory for common sense.

If Royston Smith had been prepared to negotiate instead of wanting to dictate, this threat need never have arisen.

.. but a shattering blow for southy and the Trots.

Why, a short while ago he was advocating an all our strike, not just locally but a fully fledged General Strike.

...Yes and the current government toppled by the end of the year no less was predicted with certainty.

How's this what the workforce want's ?43% of Unison & 35% of Unite voted & not a 100% in favour vote ?
So no where near 50% of the union membership votes & then 1-8 vote against it so the majority were actually against it?
57% of Unison didn't want the vote. 65% of Unite didn't want the vote so how's it been passed in favour?
Now wait until November & see Labours betrayal of it's workforce.
The Unions now feel they can blackmail the Government into letting them run the country the same way they've used Labour to enforce this policy?
I can only feel that these Unions have now got what they want from the local members & now they wipe their hands of them?
1-10 refuse jobs to go? 1,500 job losses how many temps are there?
You who voted for this are still being suckered & you can't see it? more fool you

loosehead wrote:
How's this what the workforce want's ?43% of Unison & 35% of Unite voted & not a 100% in favour vote ?
So no where near 50% of the union membership votes & then 1-8 vote against it so the majority were actually against it?
57% of Unison didn't want the vote. 65% of Unite didn't want the vote so how's it been passed in favour?
Now wait until November & see Labours betrayal of it's workforce.
The Unions now feel they can blackmail the Government into letting them run the country the same way they've used Labour to enforce this policy?
I can only feel that these Unions have now got what they want from the local members & now they wipe their hands of them?
1-10 refuse jobs to go? 1,500 job losses how many temps are there?
You who voted for this are still being suckered & you can't see it? more fool you

The point is that 100% of the members were entitled to vote and clearly a lot chose not to. If it's a protest then what has it achieved apart from denying the 'stay at home' voters the right to complain about the outcome.

workers = puppets. SCC members = union stooges. Unions = snookered themselves. Residents of Southampton = will vote tory next time. There, thats that done and dusted !!

bins are still not getting emptied , recycling bins emptied every 3 or 4 weeks now , house hold bins if not full are now left until the following week , when are these council workers going to do the job they get paid for ? Our city is looking like a tip , Southampton is the pride of the south so SCC get it right and sort our great city out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Really silly this! , Under Labour, local Authorities like Southampton were constantly being squeezed for savings year on year, simply by Government not paying enough of our taxes back to Southampton. Its just that the current Tories and their Lib-Dem chums in Westminister are more ruthless currently about slashing and burning Local Authorities, encouraging the private sector to take over. Royston Smith however went a step too far, really thinking he could make a name for himself, nationally and locally, by being hard nosed about slashing employees pay. Self defence is a wonderful thing! The workers in Southampton freely joined a union as a collective defence against attack from anybody - whatever their politics. When attacked you should fight back and defend yourself and not give in to threats as inevitable. Royston did a good job in defending himself and others on a submarine recently, so don't knock the unions for defending their members. Unions do what their members freely enable them to do - (by paying subs, losing pay whilst on strike, agreeing to legal action) and fight back! I hope the voters show some guts next time and vote for a party that listens to the people rather than the obvious one sided comments on this site. Note to self - If threatened - fight back and get some protection if possible. For working people this is usually a Union ! Doctors =BMA, Nurses =Unison etc Firefighters =FBU etc etc

Shoong wrote:

freefinker wrote:

Linesman wrote:
A victory for common sense.

If Royston Smith had been prepared to negotiate instead of wanting to dictate, this threat need never have arisen.

.. but a shattering blow for southy and the Trots.

Why, a short while ago he was advocating an all our strike, not just locally but a fully fledged General Strike.

...Yes and the current government toppled by the end of the year no less was predicted with certainty.

.. yes indeed. It was (and still is) my intention to remind southy of his strident and often repeated prediction that the coalition would not last and there was definitely going to be another General Election before the end of 2012.

He kept that up for about a year after the election, but we don't hear it all now, do we?

freefinker wrote:

Shoong wrote:

freefinker wrote:

Linesman wrote:
A victory for common sense.

If Royston Smith had been prepared to negotiate instead of wanting to dictate, this threat need never have arisen.

.. but a shattering blow for southy and the Trots.

Why, a short while ago he was advocating an all our strike, not just locally but a fully fledged General Strike.

...Yes and the current government toppled by the end of the year no less was predicted with certainty.

.. yes indeed. It was (and still is) my intention to remind southy of his strident and often repeated prediction that the coalition would not last and there was definitely going to be another General Election before the end of 2012.

He kept that up for about a year after the election, but we don't hear it all now, do we?

He was banking on there being a plausible opposition, that hasn't happened so we are lumbered with the current shambles of a coalition for now.

MGRA wrote:
workers = puppets. SCC members = union stooges. Unions = snookered themselves. Residents of Southampton = will vote tory next time. There, thats that done and dusted !!

Or not vote at all as per usual.

loosehead wrote:
How's this what the workforce want's ?43% of Unison & 35% of Unite voted & not a 100% in favour vote ? So no where near 50% of the union membership votes & then 1-8 vote against it so the majority were actually against it? 57% of Unison didn't want the vote. 65% of Unite didn't want the vote so how's it been passed in favour? Now wait until November & see Labours betrayal of it's workforce. The Unions now feel they can blackmail the Government into letting them run the country the same way they've used Labour to enforce this policy? I can only feel that these Unions have now got what they want from the local members & now they wipe their hands of them? 1-10 refuse jobs to go? 1,500 job losses how many temps are there? You who voted for this are still being suckered & you can't see it? more fool you

If memory serves, the vote to reject the proposals in Nov 2011 had a similarly low turnout - does this make that decision invalid?

Torchie1 wrote:

loosehead wrote:
How's this what the workforce want's ?43% of Unison & 35% of Unite voted & not a 100% in favour vote ?
So no where near 50% of the union membership votes & then 1-8 vote against it so the majority were actually against it?
57% of Unison didn't want the vote. 65% of Unite didn't want the vote so how's it been passed in favour?
Now wait until November & see Labours betrayal of it's workforce.
The Unions now feel they can blackmail the Government into letting them run the country the same way they've used Labour to enforce this policy?
I can only feel that these Unions have now got what they want from the local members & now they wipe their hands of them?
1-10 refuse jobs to go? 1,500 job losses how many temps are there?
You who voted for this are still being suckered & you can't see it? more fool you

The point is that 100% of the members were entitled to vote and clearly a lot chose not to. If it's a protest then what has it achieved apart from denying the 'stay at home' voters the right to complain about the outcome.

Absolutely. These posts from the usual anti union people are just sour grapes over the fact the new Council has negotiated properly and not acted under the tin pot dictatorship of the last administration.
Tories never have been good losers!

sfby wrote:

loosehead wrote:
How's this what the workforce want's ?43% of Unison & 35% of Unite voted & not a 100% in favour vote ? So no where near 50% of the union membership votes & then 1-8 vote against it so the majority were actually against it? 57% of Unison didn't want the vote. 65% of Unite didn't want the vote so how's it been passed in favour? Now wait until November & see Labours betrayal of it's workforce. The Unions now feel they can blackmail the Government into letting them run the country the same way they've used Labour to enforce this policy? I can only feel that these Unions have now got what they want from the local members & now they wipe their hands of them? 1-10 refuse jobs to go? 1,500 job losses how many temps are there? You who voted for this are still being suckered & you can't see it? more fool you

If memory serves, the vote to reject the proposals in Nov 2011 had a similarly low turnout - does this make that decision invalid?

The Councillors who get voted in at local elections in Southampton often get elected on turnouts below this, commonly 20-25%. That doesn't make them ineligible to run the city.
Poor turnouts are regrettable but part of democratic rights of people not to vote. We all have to accept these results, regardless of unsatisfactory turnouts.

Now we have to wait for the next major cuts announcement to see if they'll be back out on a new strike.

IronLady2010 wrote:
Now we have to wait for the next major cuts announcement to see if they'll be back out on a new strike.

If they do, it will be after a membership ballot. The realities are that most council employees accepted there would be redundancies as Central Government cut the funding to bail out the banks. Southampton's last administration chose to provoke the unions by cutting their pay, unlike most other Councils and still cut jobs despite claiming the pay cuts would prevent redundancies. That's why they got thrown out in May.

Maine Lobster wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Now we have to wait for the next major cuts announcement to see if they'll be back out on a new strike.

If they do, it will be after a membership ballot. The realities are that most council employees accepted there would be redundancies as Central Government cut the funding to bail out the banks. Southampton's last administration chose to provoke the unions by cutting their pay, unlike most other Councils and still cut jobs despite claiming the pay cuts would prevent redundancies. That's why they got thrown out in May.

The pay cuts were small in comparison to having no job and going on Jobseekers.

I thought the Unions promoted UNITED as in 'All together as one' where they all look after each other.

Creating even more job losses for individuals isn't united, whereas a pay cut by all is United, helping to save a colleagues job etc.

Maine Lobster wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

loosehead wrote:
How's this what the workforce want's ?43% of Unison & 35% of Unite voted & not a 100% in favour vote ?
So no where near 50% of the union membership votes & then 1-8 vote against it so the majority were actually against it?
57% of Unison didn't want the vote. 65% of Unite didn't want the vote so how's it been passed in favour?
Now wait until November & see Labours betrayal of it's workforce.
The Unions now feel they can blackmail the Government into letting them run the country the same way they've used Labour to enforce this policy?
I can only feel that these Unions have now got what they want from the local members & now they wipe their hands of them?
1-10 refuse jobs to go? 1,500 job losses how many temps are there?
You who voted for this are still being suckered & you can't see it? more fool you

The point is that 100% of the members were entitled to vote and clearly a lot chose not to. If it's a protest then what has it achieved apart from denying the 'stay at home' voters the right to complain about the outcome.

Absolutely. These posts from the usual anti union people are just sour grapes over the fact the new Council has negotiated properly and not acted under the tin pot dictatorship of the last administration.
Tories never have been good losers!

you are very funny... just because people see a stitch up does not make them anti-union...

Well done the union members for saving this Council a £12m "fine"
.
Yes £12m would have gone from our council coffers all because the stubborn and failed ex leader wanted a scrap.
.
He wanted to take on the honest hard working employees of this city ......
.
The very same people who work day and night striving to make this city a good clean and safe place to live in
.
From road sweepers and toll collectors from administrators to Social Workers ..... Smith wanted to tread on them all ....... then tried to bribe the Social Workers and pit worker against worker in the typical Tory way.
.
Well done again ...... Common sense has prevailed despite the ranting of the usual Tory Lemmings

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Well done the union members for saving this Council a £12m "fine"
.
Yes £12m would have gone from our council coffers all because the stubborn and failed ex leader wanted a scrap.
.
He wanted to take on the honest hard working employees of this city ......
.
The very same people who work day and night striving to make this city a good clean and safe place to live in
.
From road sweepers and toll collectors from administrators to Social Workers ..... Smith wanted to tread on them all ....... then tried to bribe the Social Workers and pit worker against worker in the typical Tory way.
.
Well done again ...... Common sense has prevailed despite the ranting of the usual Tory Lemmings

How do you know it would have gone in the Unions favour? We will never know now!

We will never know if £12m was saved as the Unions backed out.

Now we are just going to have to watch workers being cut as individuals as the 'united brigade' have decided not to be united.

MGRA wrote:

Maine Lobster wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

loosehead wrote:
How's this what the workforce want's ?43% of Unison & 35% of Unite voted & not a 100% in favour vote ?
So no where near 50% of the union membership votes & then 1-8 vote against it so the majority were actually against it?
57% of Unison didn't want the vote. 65% of Unite didn't want the vote so how's it been passed in favour?
Now wait until November & see Labours betrayal of it's workforce.
The Unions now feel they can blackmail the Government into letting them run the country the same way they've used Labour to enforce this policy?
I can only feel that these Unions have now got what they want from the local members & now they wipe their hands of them?
1-10 refuse jobs to go? 1,500 job losses how many temps are there?
You who voted for this are still being suckered & you can't see it? more fool you

The point is that 100% of the members were entitled to vote and clearly a lot chose not to. If it's a protest then what has it achieved apart from denying the 'stay at home' voters the right to complain about the outcome.

Absolutely. These posts from the usual anti union people are just sour grapes over the fact the new Council has negotiated properly and not acted under the tin pot dictatorship of the last administration.
Tories never have been good losers!

you are very funny... just because people see a stitch up does not make them anti-union...

The stitch up was the forced pay cut last year. The job cuts threat was a red herring, they would have happened anyway regardless of who ran the Council.

Shoong wrote:

freefinker wrote:

Linesman wrote:
A victory for common sense.

If Royston Smith had been prepared to negotiate instead of wanting to dictate, this threat need never have arisen.

.. but a shattering blow for southy and the Trots.

Why, a short while ago he was advocating an all our strike, not just locally but a fully fledged General Strike.

...Yes and the current government toppled by the end of the year no less was predicted with certainty.

If they are, it will because of their incompetence.

Torchie1 wrote:

loosehead wrote:
How's this what the workforce want's ?43% of Unison & 35% of Unite voted & not a 100% in favour vote ?
So no where near 50% of the union membership votes & then 1-8 vote against it so the majority were actually against it?
57% of Unison didn't want the vote. 65% of Unite didn't want the vote so how's it been passed in favour?
Now wait until November & see Labours betrayal of it's workforce.
The Unions now feel they can blackmail the Government into letting them run the country the same way they've used Labour to enforce this policy?
I can only feel that these Unions have now got what they want from the local members & now they wipe their hands of them?
1-10 refuse jobs to go? 1,500 job losses how many temps are there?
You who voted for this are still being suckered & you can't see it? more fool you

The point is that 100% of the members were entitled to vote and clearly a lot chose not to. If it's a protest then what has it achieved apart from denying the 'stay at home' voters the right to complain about the outcome.

Nor was there was not a 100% turn out in the general election, which resulted in a coalition government.

MGRA wrote:
workers = puppets. SCC members = union stooges. Unions = snookered themselves. Residents of Southampton = will vote tory next time. There, thats that done and dusted !!

That will mean Royston back with dustbins not emptied and rubbish in the streets AGAIN. What a tourist attraction that will be.

IronLady2010 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Well done the union members for saving this Council a £12m "fine"
.
Yes £12m would have gone from our council coffers all because the stubborn and failed ex leader wanted a scrap.
.
He wanted to take on the honest hard working employees of this city ......
.
The very same people who work day and night striving to make this city a good clean and safe place to live in
.
From road sweepers and toll collectors from administrators to Social Workers ..... Smith wanted to tread on them all ....... then tried to bribe the Social Workers and pit worker against worker in the typical Tory way.
.
Well done again ...... Common sense has prevailed despite the ranting of the usual Tory Lemmings

How do you know it would have gone in the Unions favour? We will never know now!

We will never know if £12m was saved as the Unions backed out.

Now we are just going to have to watch workers being cut as individuals as the 'united brigade' have decided not to be united.

Ok youre correct ..... we would never know.
.
However that would have been one hell of a gamble ........ Fortunately, as i have said Common Sense won the day.
.

Council Tax up services down well done the Unions

Lone Ranger. wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Well done the union members for saving this Council a £12m "fine"
.
Yes £12m would have gone from our council coffers all because the stubborn and failed ex leader wanted a scrap.
.
He wanted to take on the honest hard working employees of this city ......
.
The very same people who work day and night striving to make this city a good clean and safe place to live in
.
From road sweepers and toll collectors from administrators to Social Workers ..... Smith wanted to tread on them all ....... then tried to bribe the Social Workers and pit worker against worker in the typical Tory way.
.
Well done again ...... Common sense has prevailed despite the ranting of the usual Tory Lemmings

How do you know it would have gone in the Unions favour? We will never know now!

We will never know if £12m was saved as the Unions backed out.

Now we are just going to have to watch workers being cut as individuals as the 'united brigade' have decided not to be united.

Ok youre correct ..... we would never know.
.
However that would have been one hell of a gamble ........ Fortunately, as i have said Common Sense won the day.
.

Has it won the day though? This Council have already stated more cuts are to come, yet to be announced. Whilst they are making sneaky cuts at the moment, we don't see the Unions kicking off about those.

I actually feel sorry for the bin men now, that I gave so much stick, they were used and abused.

This is going to be a tough year ahead.

IronLady2010 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Well done the union members for saving this Council a £12m "fine"
.
Yes £12m would have gone from our council coffers all because the stubborn and failed ex leader wanted a scrap.
.
He wanted to take on the honest hard working employees of this city ......
.
The very same people who work day and night striving to make this city a good clean and safe place to live in
.
From road sweepers and toll collectors from administrators to Social Workers ..... Smith wanted to tread on them all ....... then tried to bribe the Social Workers and pit worker against worker in the typical Tory way.
.
Well done again ...... Common sense has prevailed despite the ranting of the usual Tory Lemmings

How do you know it would have gone in the Unions favour? We will never know now!

We will never know if £12m was saved as the Unions backed out.

Now we are just going to have to watch workers being cut as individuals as the 'united brigade' have decided not to be united.

Ok youre correct ..... we would never know.
.
However that would have been one hell of a gamble ........ Fortunately, as i have said Common Sense won the day.
.

Has it won the day though? This Council have already stated more cuts are to come, yet to be announced. Whilst they are making sneaky cuts at the moment, we don't see the Unions kicking off about those.

I actually feel sorry for the bin men now, that I gave so much stick, they were used and abused.

This is going to be a tough year ahead.

What the left on here are really saying is thank you for being duped & saving the Unions faces when you all lost you're cases.
Williams has lied from day one & how can they say well done when 200 Temps are losing their jobs to make 200 temporary posts for the refuse workers who's jobs will be redundant when we go on the fortnightly collections that Williams said he never said would happen?
The redundancy & pension packages of these workers has already been cut.
If they don't want a lower paid job they could leave with nothing or a cut down version of a reduced redundancy package oh! but it won't be redundancy?
if they stay in temporary posts for four months & nothing comes up do they leave again with a small pay off with reduced pensions?
Exactly how's this a good deal for the Workers?
Exactly why are we Anti the work force for saying it was a big mistake?
The budget for next year was supposed to be announced early November but has been put back to late November early December as they still haven't worked out how they're going to restore this money plus cover the £42million they won't be receiving next year.
Ironlady they're promising the Earth with no idea on how to pay for it

loosehead wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Well done the union members for saving this Council a £12m "fine"
.
Yes £12m would have gone from our council coffers all because the stubborn and failed ex leader wanted a scrap.
.
He wanted to take on the honest hard working employees of this city ......
.
The very same people who work day and night striving to make this city a good clean and safe place to live in
.
From road sweepers and toll collectors from administrators to Social Workers ..... Smith wanted to tread on them all ....... then tried to bribe the Social Workers and pit worker against worker in the typical Tory way.
.
Well done again ...... Common sense has prevailed despite the ranting of the usual Tory Lemmings

How do you know it would have gone in the Unions favour? We will never know now!

We will never know if £12m was saved as the Unions backed out.

Now we are just going to have to watch workers being cut as individuals as the 'united brigade' have decided not to be united.

Ok youre correct ..... we would never know.
.
However that would have been one hell of a gamble ........ Fortunately, as i have said Common Sense won the day.
.

Has it won the day though? This Council have already stated more cuts are to come, yet to be announced. Whilst they are making sneaky cuts at the moment, we don't see the Unions kicking off about those.

I actually feel sorry for the bin men now, that I gave so much stick, they were used and abused.

This is going to be a tough year ahead.

What the left on here are really saying is thank you for being duped & saving the Unions faces when you all lost you're cases.
Williams has lied from day one & how can they say well done when 200 Temps are losing their jobs to make 200 temporary posts for the refuse workers who's jobs will be redundant when we go on the fortnightly collections that Williams said he never said would happen?
The redundancy & pension packages of these workers has already been cut.
If they don't want a lower paid job they could leave with nothing or a cut down version of a reduced redundancy package oh! but it won't be redundancy?
if they stay in temporary posts for four months & nothing comes up do they leave again with a small pay off with reduced pensions?
Exactly how's this a good deal for the Workers?
Exactly why are we Anti the work force for saying it was a big mistake?
The budget for next year was supposed to be announced early November but has been put back to late November early December as they still haven't worked out how they're going to restore this money plus cover the £42million they won't be receiving next year.
Ironlady they're promising the Earth with no idea on how to pay for it

We can't say they have no idea, but I am not looking forward to seeing how they are going to make cuts.

I'm just shocked the Union members who are 'UNITED' have accepted this knowing their fellow colleagues may be out of a job. All that strike action and still no further forward, no job security etc. Never mind we as 'individuals' have our wages restored.

IronLady2010 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Well done the union members for saving this Council a £12m "fine"
.
Yes £12m would have gone from our council coffers all because the stubborn and failed ex leader wanted a scrap.
.
He wanted to take on the honest hard working employees of this city ......
.
The very same people who work day and night striving to make this city a good clean and safe place to live in
.
From road sweepers and toll collectors from administrators to Social Workers ..... Smith wanted to tread on them all ....... then tried to bribe the Social Workers and pit worker against worker in the typical Tory way.
.
Well done again ...... Common sense has prevailed despite the ranting of the usual Tory Lemmings

How do you know it would have gone in the Unions favour? We will never know now!

We will never know if £12m was saved as the Unions backed out.

Now we are just going to have to watch workers being cut as individuals as the 'united brigade' have decided not to be united.

Ok youre correct ..... we would never know.
.
However that would have been one hell of a gamble ........ Fortunately, as i have said Common Sense won the day.
.

Has it won the day though? This Council have already stated more cuts are to come, yet to be announced. Whilst they are making sneaky cuts at the moment, we don't see the Unions kicking off about those.

I actually feel sorry for the bin men now, that I gave so much stick, they were used and abused.

This is going to be a tough year ahead.

What the left on here are really saying is thank you for being duped & saving the Unions faces when you all lost you're cases.
Williams has lied from day one & how can they say well done when 200 Temps are losing their jobs to make 200 temporary posts for the refuse workers who's jobs will be redundant when we go on the fortnightly collections that Williams said he never said would happen?
The redundancy & pension packages of these workers has already been cut.
If they don't want a lower paid job they could leave with nothing or a cut down version of a reduced redundancy package oh! but it won't be redundancy?
if they stay in temporary posts for four months & nothing comes up do they leave again with a small pay off with reduced pensions?
Exactly how's this a good deal for the Workers?
Exactly why are we Anti the work force for saying it was a big mistake?
The budget for next year was supposed to be announced early November but has been put back to late November early December as they still haven't worked out how they're going to restore this money plus cover the £42million they won't be receiving next year.
Ironlady they're promising the Earth with no idea on how to pay for it

We can't say they have no idea, but I am not looking forward to seeing how they are going to make cuts.

I'm just shocked the Union members who are 'UNITED' have accepted this knowing their fellow colleagues may be out of a job. All that strike action and still no further forward, no job security etc. Never mind we as 'individuals' have our wages restored.

Those on £17,500 - £22,000 voted against the last proposal by the then Tory Council as they said they were staying solid with their comrades who were still taking a cut & they wanted their day in court?
Over £22,000 might get their pay restored in 2014 whilst the others get it now?
How is that staying Solid with their comrades? surely they should all get it or the strikes should continue should't they?
They are also getting a reduced redundancy/pension package so exactly how is it a good deal?

IronLady2010 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Well done the union members for saving this Council a £12m "fine"
.
Yes £12m would have gone from our council coffers all because the stubborn and failed ex leader wanted a scrap.
.
He wanted to take on the honest hard working employees of this city ......
.
The very same people who work day and night striving to make this city a good clean and safe place to live in
.
From road sweepers and toll collectors from administrators to Social Workers ..... Smith wanted to tread on them all ....... then tried to bribe the Social Workers and pit worker against worker in the typical Tory way.
.
Well done again ...... Common sense has prevailed despite the ranting of the usual Tory Lemmings

How do you know it would have gone in the Unions favour? We will never know now!

We will never know if £12m was saved as the Unions backed out.

Now we are just going to have to watch workers being cut as individuals as the 'united brigade' have decided not to be united.

Ok youre correct ..... we would never know.
.
However that would have been one hell of a gamble ........ Fortunately, as i have said Common Sense won the day.
.

Has it won the day though? This Council have already stated more cuts are to come, yet to be announced. Whilst they are making sneaky cuts at the moment, we don't see the Unions kicking off about those.

I actually feel sorry for the bin men now, that I gave so much stick, they were used and abused.

This is going to be a tough year ahead.

What the left on here are really saying is thank you for being duped & saving the Unions faces when you all lost you're cases.
Williams has lied from day one & how can they say well done when 200 Temps are losing their jobs to make 200 temporary posts for the refuse workers who's jobs will be redundant when we go on the fortnightly collections that Williams said he never said would happen?
The redundancy & pension packages of these workers has already been cut.
If they don't want a lower paid job they could leave with nothing or a cut down version of a reduced redundancy package oh! but it won't be redundancy?
if they stay in temporary posts for four months & nothing comes up do they leave again with a small pay off with reduced pensions?
Exactly how's this a good deal for the Workers?
Exactly why are we Anti the work force for saying it was a big mistake?
The budget for next year was supposed to be announced early November but has been put back to late November early December as they still haven't worked out how they're going to restore this money plus cover the £42million they won't be receiving next year.
Ironlady they're promising the Earth with no idea on how to pay for it

We can't say they have no idea, but I am not looking forward to seeing how they are going to make cuts.

I'm just shocked the Union members who are 'UNITED' have accepted this knowing their fellow colleagues may be out of a job. All that strike action and still no further forward, no job security etc. Never mind we as 'individuals' have our wages restored.

United we stand, all these slogans Unite, Unison are me me me. No thought has gone into individuals. So longs as I'm OK should be the motto.

Dave of Dibden wrote:
Council Tax up services down well done the Unions

I think you will find the Council Tax is frozen and if services go down its because central Government has cut funding for local services to bail out the banks.
As "Dave of Dibden" seems not to be a Southampton resident, it ought not to worry him too much,apart of course from the fact that Dibden is under New Forest Council, who charge quite a lot more in Council Tax.
Strange how some posters rationalise their thoughts!

IronLady2010 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Well done the union members for saving this Council a £12m "fine"
.
Yes £12m would have gone from our council coffers all because the stubborn and failed ex leader wanted a scrap.
.
He wanted to take on the honest hard working employees of this city ......
.
The very same people who work day and night striving to make this city a good clean and safe place to live in
.
From road sweepers and toll collectors from administrators to Social Workers ..... Smith wanted to tread on them all ....... then tried to bribe the Social Workers and pit worker against worker in the typical Tory way.
.
Well done again ...... Common sense has prevailed despite the ranting of the usual Tory Lemmings

How do you know it would have gone in the Unions favour? We will never know now!

We will never know if £12m was saved as the Unions backed out.

Now we are just going to have to watch workers being cut as individuals as the 'united brigade' have decided not to be united.

Ok youre correct ..... we would never know.
.
However that would have been one hell of a gamble ........ Fortunately, as i have said Common Sense won the day.
.

Has it won the day though? This Council have already stated more cuts are to come, yet to be announced. Whilst they are making sneaky cuts at the moment, we don't see the Unions kicking off about those.

I actually feel sorry for the bin men now, that I gave so much stick, they were used and abused.

This is going to be a tough year ahead.

What the left on here are really saying is thank you for being duped & saving the Unions faces when you all lost you're cases.
Williams has lied from day one & how can they say well done when 200 Temps are losing their jobs to make 200 temporary posts for the refuse workers who's jobs will be redundant when we go on the fortnightly collections that Williams said he never said would happen?
The redundancy & pension packages of these workers has already been cut.
If they don't want a lower paid job they could leave with nothing or a cut down version of a reduced redundancy package oh! but it won't be redundancy?
if they stay in temporary posts for four months & nothing comes up do they leave again with a small pay off with reduced pensions?
Exactly how's this a good deal for the Workers?
Exactly why are we Anti the work force for saying it was a big mistake?
The budget for next year was supposed to be announced early November but has been put back to late November early December as they still haven't worked out how they're going to restore this money plus cover the £42million they won't be receiving next year.
Ironlady they're promising the Earth with no idea on how to pay for it

We can't say they have no idea, but I am not looking forward to seeing how they are going to make cuts.

I'm just shocked the Union members who are 'UNITED' have accepted this knowing their fellow colleagues may be out of a job. All that strike action and still no further forward, no job security etc. Never mind we as 'individuals' have our wages restored.

United we stand, all these slogans Unite, Unison are me me me. No thought has gone into individuals. So longs as I'm OK should be the motto.

Still so bitter over the right of working people to defend their working conditions.

Maine Lobster wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Well done the union members for saving this Council a £12m "fine"
.
Yes £12m would have gone from our council coffers all because the stubborn and failed ex leader wanted a scrap.
.
He wanted to take on the honest hard working employees of this city ......
.
The very same people who work day and night striving to make this city a good clean and safe place to live in
.
From road sweepers and toll collectors from administrators to Social Workers ..... Smith wanted to tread on them all ....... then tried to bribe the Social Workers and pit worker against worker in the typical Tory way.
.
Well done again ...... Common sense has prevailed despite the ranting of the usual Tory Lemmings

How do you know it would have gone in the Unions favour? We will never know now!

We will never know if £12m was saved as the Unions backed out.

Now we are just going to have to watch workers being cut as individuals as the 'united brigade' have decided not to be united.

Ok youre correct ..... we would never know.
.
However that would have been one hell of a gamble ........ Fortunately, as i have said Common Sense won the day.
.

Has it won the day though? This Council have already stated more cuts are to come, yet to be announced. Whilst they are making sneaky cuts at the moment, we don't see the Unions kicking off about those.

I actually feel sorry for the bin men now, that I gave so much stick, they were used and abused.

This is going to be a tough year ahead.

What the left on here are really saying is thank you for being duped & saving the Unions faces when you all lost you're cases.
Williams has lied from day one & how can they say well done when 200 Temps are losing their jobs to make 200 temporary posts for the refuse workers who's jobs will be redundant when we go on the fortnightly collections that Williams said he never said would happen?
The redundancy & pension packages of these workers has already been cut.
If they don't want a lower paid job they could leave with nothing or a cut down version of a reduced redundancy package oh! but it won't be redundancy?
if they stay in temporary posts for four months & nothing comes up do they leave again with a small pay off with reduced pensions?
Exactly how's this a good deal for the Workers?
Exactly why are we Anti the work force for saying it was a big mistake?
The budget for next year was supposed to be announced early November but has been put back to late November early December as they still haven't worked out how they're going to restore this money plus cover the £42million they won't be receiving next year.
Ironlady they're promising the Earth with no idea on how to pay for it

We can't say they have no idea, but I am not looking forward to seeing how they are going to make cuts.

I'm just shocked the Union members who are 'UNITED' have accepted this knowing their fellow colleagues may be out of a job. All that strike action and still no further forward, no job security etc. Never mind we as 'individuals' have our wages restored.

United we stand, all these slogans Unite, Unison are me me me. No thought has gone into individuals. So longs as I'm OK should be the motto.

Still so bitter over the right of working people to defend their working conditions.

Maybe it's bitterness for all the façade that was thrown up and the fact that Soton now has a Union controlled Council.

I've given them stick in the past, but now I only feel pity for the paying members of the Union who have been used for political gain. They would also have no issues using them as cannon fodder either and watching them chopped down. Mugged off.

It's time the Unions got with the 21st century.

Maine Lobster wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Well done the union members for saving this Council a £12m "fine"
.
Yes £12m would have gone from our council coffers all because the stubborn and failed ex leader wanted a scrap.
.
He wanted to take on the honest hard working employees of this city ......
.
The very same people who work day and night striving to make this city a good clean and safe place to live in
.
From road sweepers and toll collectors from administrators to Social Workers ..... Smith wanted to tread on them all ....... then tried to bribe the Social Workers and pit worker against worker in the typical Tory way.
.
Well done again ...... Common sense has prevailed despite the ranting of the usual Tory Lemmings

How do you know it would have gone in the Unions favour? We will never know now!

We will never know if £12m was saved as the Unions backed out.

Now we are just going to have to watch workers being cut as individuals as the 'united brigade' have decided not to be united.

Ok youre correct ..... we would never know.
.
However that would have been one hell of a gamble ........ Fortunately, as i have said Common Sense won the day.
.

Has it won the day though? This Council have already stated more cuts are to come, yet to be announced. Whilst they are making sneaky cuts at the moment, we don't see the Unions kicking off about those.

I actually feel sorry for the bin men now, that I gave so much stick, they were used and abused.

This is going to be a tough year ahead.

What the left on here are really saying is thank you for being duped & saving the Unions faces when you all lost you're cases.
Williams has lied from day one & how can they say well done when 200 Temps are losing their jobs to make 200 temporary posts for the refuse workers who's jobs will be redundant when we go on the fortnightly collections that Williams said he never said would happen?
The redundancy & pension packages of these workers has already been cut.
If they don't want a lower paid job they could leave with nothing or a cut down version of a reduced redundancy package oh! but it won't be redundancy?
if they stay in temporary posts for four months & nothing comes up do they leave again with a small pay off with reduced pensions?
Exactly how's this a good deal for the Workers?
Exactly why are we Anti the work force for saying it was a big mistake?
The budget for next year was supposed to be announced early November but has been put back to late November early December as they still haven't worked out how they're going to restore this money plus cover the £42million they won't be receiving next year.
Ironlady they're promising the Earth with no idea on how to pay for it

We can't say they have no idea, but I am not looking forward to seeing how they are going to make cuts.

I'm just shocked the Union members who are 'UNITED' have accepted this knowing their fellow colleagues may be out of a job. All that strike action and still no further forward, no job security etc. Never mind we as 'individuals' have our wages restored.

United we stand, all these slogans Unite, Unison are me me me. No thought has gone into individuals. So longs as I'm OK should be the motto.

Still so bitter over the right of working people to defend their working conditions.

Not at all, when we see more workers out of jobs, don't complain! The small pay cut was to secure more jobs. Let's see what happens.

Dave of Dibden wrote:
Council Tax up services down well done the Unions

Council tax is not up because the Tory-led coalition government put a block on it. If councils increased the council tax, the government would reduce their grant by the same amount.

So much for a government that said it wanted to give more local responsibility.

Linesman wrote:

Dave of Dibden wrote:
Council Tax up services down well done the Unions

Council tax is not up because the Tory-led coalition government put a block on it. If councils increased the council tax, the government would reduce their grant by the same amount.

So much for a government that said it wanted to give more local responsibility.

If it were Labour they WOULD increase Council Tax.

IronLady2010 wrote:

Maine Lobster wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Well done the union members for saving this Council a £12m "fine"
.
Yes £12m would have gone from our council coffers all because the stubborn and failed ex leader wanted a scrap.
.
He wanted to take on the honest hard working employees of this city ......
.
The very same people who work day and night striving to make this city a good clean and safe place to live in
.
From road sweepers and toll collectors from administrators to Social Workers ..... Smith wanted to tread on them all ....... then tried to bribe the Social Workers and pit worker against worker in the typical Tory way.
.
Well done again ...... Common sense has prevailed despite the ranting of the usual Tory Lemmings

How do you know it would have gone in the Unions favour? We will never know now!

We will never know if £12m was saved as the Unions backed out.

Now we are just going to have to watch workers being cut as individuals as the 'united brigade' have decided not to be united.

Ok youre correct ..... we would never know.
.
However that would have been one hell of a gamble ........ Fortunately, as i have said Common Sense won the day.
.

Has it won the day though? This Council have already stated more cuts are to come, yet to be announced. Whilst they are making sneaky cuts at the moment, we don't see the Unions kicking off about those.

I actually feel sorry for the bin men now, that I gave so much stick, they were used and abused.

This is going to be a tough year ahead.

What the left on here are really saying is thank you for being duped & saving the Unions faces when you all lost you're cases.
Williams has lied from day one & how can they say well done when 200 Temps are losing their jobs to make 200 temporary posts for the refuse workers who's jobs will be redundant when we go on the fortnightly collections that Williams said he never said would happen?
The redundancy & pension packages of these workers has already been cut.
If they don't want a lower paid job they could leave with nothing or a cut down version of a reduced redundancy package oh! but it won't be redundancy?
if they stay in temporary posts for four months & nothing comes up do they leave again with a small pay off with reduced pensions?
Exactly how's this a good deal for the Workers?
Exactly why are we Anti the work force for saying it was a big mistake?
The budget for next year was supposed to be announced early November but has been put back to late November early December as they still haven't worked out how they're going to restore this money plus cover the £42million they won't be receiving next year.
Ironlady they're promising the Earth with no idea on how to pay for it

We can't say they have no idea, but I am not looking forward to seeing how they are going to make cuts.

I'm just shocked the Union members who are 'UNITED' have accepted this knowing their fellow colleagues may be out of a job. All that strike action and still no further forward, no job security etc. Never mind we as 'individuals' have our wages restored.

United we stand, all these slogans Unite, Unison are me me me. No thought has gone into individuals. So longs as I'm OK should be the motto.

Still so bitter over the right of working people to defend their working conditions.

Not at all, when we see more workers out of jobs, don't complain! The small pay cut was to secure more jobs. Let's see what happens.

We are seeing more people out nationally, thanks to the incompetence of this Tory-led coalition.

These things filter down from Westminster, not up from Southampton Civic Centre.

The tail does not wag the dog.

IronLady2010 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Dave of Dibden wrote:
Council Tax up services down well done the Unions

Council tax is not up because the Tory-led coalition government put a block on it. If councils increased the council tax, the government would reduce their grant by the same amount.

So much for a government that said it wanted to give more local responsibility.

If it were Labour they WOULD increase Council Tax.

No such thing as a free dinner.

Cuts in the Council Tax or freezing it means a cut in services and jobs.

It is a matter of choice and priorities.

Linesman wrote:

MGRA wrote:
workers = puppets. SCC members = union stooges. Unions = snookered themselves. Residents of Southampton = will vote tory next time. There, thats that done and dusted !!

That will mean Royston back with dustbins not emptied and rubbish in the streets AGAIN. What a tourist attraction that will be.

no it won't... It will mean privatisation of refuse at last and Southampton residents can get a proper service... I witnessed bin men in Canada road woolston today, one had a hi-vis "Unite" jacket on..... says it all. Pathetic. Still lazy voters who could not be bothered to go out and vote let labour in so lets all sit back and watch it all go wrong.. the tories will WALK in next time,,,,, I am no tory voter...

shirley-bill wrote:
bins are still not getting emptied , recycling bins emptied every 3 or 4 weeks now , house hold bins if not full are now left until the following week , when are these council workers going to do the job they get paid for ? Our city is looking like a tip , Southampton is the pride of the south so SCC get it right and sort our great city out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Sorry to disagree but our bins have been emptied correctly and when due since the binmen went back to work. They are efficient and pleasant and seem to take pride in being so. I, also, live in Southampton.

Linesman wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

loosehead wrote:
How's this what the workforce want's ?43% of Unison & 35% of Unite voted & not a 100% in favour vote ?
So no where near 50% of the union membership votes & then 1-8 vote against it so the majority were actually against it?
57% of Unison didn't want the vote. 65% of Unite didn't want the vote so how's it been passed in favour?
Now wait until November & see Labours betrayal of it's workforce.
The Unions now feel they can blackmail the Government into letting them run the country the same way they've used Labour to enforce this policy?
I can only feel that these Unions have now got what they want from the local members & now they wipe their hands of them?
1-10 refuse jobs to go? 1,500 job losses how many temps are there?
You who voted for this are still being suckered & you can't see it? more fool you

The point is that 100% of the members were entitled to vote and clearly a lot chose not to. If it's a protest then what has it achieved apart from denying the 'stay at home' voters the right to complain about the outcome.

Nor was there was not a 100% turn out in the general election, which resulted in a coalition government.

You seem to have missed the point that people were offered the chance to vote against the current government but for reasons best known to themselves they chose not to exercise that privilege. If you have a problem with the Coalition, I suggest you turn and look for the people who chose not to vote because they could have voted for a party more to your liking. Pundits suggest that Labour supporters are harder to turn out on election day so that is your cross to bear.

Maine Lobster wrote:

Dave of Dibden wrote:
Council Tax up services down well done the Unions

I think you will find the Council Tax is frozen and if services go down its because central Government has cut funding for local services to bail out the banks.
As "Dave of Dibden" seems not to be a Southampton resident, it ought not to worry him too much,apart of course from the fact that Dibden is under New Forest Council, who charge quite a lot more in Council Tax.
Strange how some posters rationalise their thoughts!

But you know that next year they can charge what they like & in November-December we'll hear exactly what they will do in next years budget.
they moved the timing of the announcement once so exactly how bad is it going to be?
I have been against the strikes as I feel the unions have used their members for political reasons & now they're talking about doing it Nationally?
We never vote in the Unions unless we vote in Labour so what right have these unions to dictate how the countries run? They are a minority of the populace so again what gives them the right to run our country?

At the Labour conference Mr Balls said jobs before salary increases.
But in Southampton Labour/Unions said the reverse.
You cannot believe anything Labour/Unions say.
Sad Labour, bad Labour.

At the Labour conference Mr Balls said jobs before salary increases.
But in Southampton Labour/Unions said the reverse.
You cannot believe anything Labour/Unions say.
Sad Labour, bad Labour.

aldermoorboy wrote:
At the Labour conference Mr Balls said jobs before salary increases.
But in Southampton Labour/Unions said the reverse.
You cannot believe anything Labour/Unions say.
Sad Labour, bad Labour.

Not salary increases. Only reinstating what the staff were being paid in 2009 and it will have taken them 5 years to do it. In real terms a substantial drop in income. Get your facts right.

I see the lumpen commentariat are at it again.

I was a victim of the Tory administration's spiteful cuts and was made redundant last year. The only people that stood up for me was my union and one or two Labour councillors and I won't forget that.

Oddly enough as I was employed by the City Council at the time the Tories unilaterally (and unlawfully, it seems) cut staff salaries I could have been entitled to some compensation - even though I am no longer an employee.

When balloted by my union - Unison - like the majority I voted for acceptance of the Council's offer of a settlement rather than act out of selfish self-interest.

I was motivated by a concern for the collective good - clearly something that many of the contributors to this discussion cannot and will not ever get.

loosehead wrote:

Maine Lobster wrote:

Dave of Dibden wrote:
Council Tax up services down well done the Unions

I think you will find the Council Tax is frozen and if services go down its because central Government has cut funding for local services to bail out the banks.
As "Dave of Dibden" seems not to be a Southampton resident, it ought not to worry him too much,apart of course from the fact that Dibden is under New Forest Council, who charge quite a lot more in Council Tax.
Strange how some posters rationalise their thoughts!

But you know that next year they can charge what they like & in November-December we'll hear exactly what they will do in next years budget.
they moved the timing of the announcement once so exactly how bad is it going to be?
I have been against the strikes as I feel the unions have used their members for political reasons & now they're talking about doing it Nationally?
We never vote in the Unions unless we vote in Labour so what right have these unions to dictate how the countries run? They are a minority of the populace so again what gives them the right to run our country?

You are deluded. The dispute was created by Royston Smith for political reasons. He hates unions and decided to take out his anger on the workers of this city. He lost his control of the Council in May and many of his party colleagues paid the price for his personal ego trip. He failed this city and his party in his own selfish interests.

IronLady2010 wrote:

Maine Lobster wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Well done the union members for saving this Council a £12m "fine"
.
Yes £12m would have gone from our council coffers all because the stubborn and failed ex leader wanted a scrap.
.
He wanted to take on the honest hard working employees of this city ......
.
The very same people who work day and night striving to make this city a good clean and safe place to live in
.
From road sweepers and toll collectors from administrators to Social Workers ..... Smith wanted to tread on them all ....... then tried to bribe the Social Workers and pit worker against worker in the typical Tory way.
.
Well done again ...... Common sense has prevailed despite the ranting of the usual Tory Lemmings

How do you know it would have gone in the Unions favour? We will never know now!

We will never know if £12m was saved as the Unions backed out.

Now we are just going to have to watch workers being cut as individuals as the 'united brigade' have decided not to be united.

Ok youre correct ..... we would never know.
.
However that would have been one hell of a gamble ........ Fortunately, as i have said Common Sense won the day.
.

Has it won the day though? This Council have already stated more cuts are to come, yet to be announced. Whilst they are making sneaky cuts at the moment, we don't see the Unions kicking off about those.

I actually feel sorry for the bin men now, that I gave so much stick, they were used and abused.

This is going to be a tough year ahead.

What the left on here are really saying is thank you for being duped & saving the Unions faces when you all lost you're cases.
Williams has lied from day one & how can they say well done when 200 Temps are losing their jobs to make 200 temporary posts for the refuse workers who's jobs will be redundant when we go on the fortnightly collections that Williams said he never said would happen?
The redundancy & pension packages of these workers has already been cut.
If they don't want a lower paid job they could leave with nothing or a cut down version of a reduced redundancy package oh! but it won't be redundancy?
if they stay in temporary posts for four months & nothing comes up do they leave again with a small pay off with reduced pensions?
Exactly how's this a good deal for the Workers?
Exactly why are we Anti the work force for saying it was a big mistake?
The budget for next year was supposed to be announced early November but has been put back to late November early December as they still haven't worked out how they're going to restore this money plus cover the £42million they won't be receiving next year.
Ironlady they're promising the Earth with no idea on how to pay for it

We can't say they have no idea, but I am not looking forward to seeing how they are going to make cuts.

I'm just shocked the Union members who are 'UNITED' have accepted this knowing their fellow colleagues may be out of a job. All that strike action and still no further forward, no job security etc. Never mind we as 'individuals' have our wages restored.

United we stand, all these slogans Unite, Unison are me me me. No thought has gone into individuals. So longs as I'm OK should be the motto.

Still so bitter over the right of working people to defend their working conditions.

Not at all, when we see more workers out of jobs, don't complain! The small pay cut was to secure more jobs. Let's see what happens.

The pay cuts didn't save any jobs. Royston Smith claimed that but people were still made redundant, most of which were higher paid managers who took advantage of the situation.
Job cuts were always likely after central Government fuinding cuts, as are affecting all public services. The pays cuts were a personal crusade that cost Royston dear.

MGRA wrote:

Linesman wrote:

MGRA wrote:
workers = puppets. SCC members = union stooges. Unions = snookered themselves. Residents of Southampton = will vote tory next time. There, thats that done and dusted !!

That will mean Royston back with dustbins not emptied and rubbish in the streets AGAIN. What a tourist attraction that will be.

no it won't... It will mean privatisation of refuse at last and Southampton residents can get a proper service... I witnessed bin men in Canada road woolston today, one had a hi-vis "Unite" jacket on..... says it all. Pathetic. Still lazy voters who could not be bothered to go out and vote let labour in so lets all sit back and watch it all go wrong.. the tories will WALK in next time,,,,, I am no tory voter...

"Still lazy voters who could not be bothered to go out and vote let labour in."

By that, I assume that you are claiming that Tory voters could not be bothered to go out and vote. I wonder why. Could it possibly be that they were completely disillusioned by the way that Royston Smith and his cohorts were making a pig's ear of things?

If they thought they were doing a good job, then surely they would have been forming a queue at the polling stations.

Torchie1 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

loosehead wrote:
How's this what the workforce want's ?43% of Unison & 35% of Unite voted & not a 100% in favour vote ?
So no where near 50% of the union membership votes & then 1-8 vote against it so the majority were actually against it?
57% of Unison didn't want the vote. 65% of Unite didn't want the vote so how's it been passed in favour?
Now wait until November & see Labours betrayal of it's workforce.
The Unions now feel they can blackmail the Government into letting them run the country the same way they've used Labour to enforce this policy?
I can only feel that these Unions have now got what they want from the local members & now they wipe their hands of them?
1-10 refuse jobs to go? 1,500 job losses how many temps are there?
You who voted for this are still being suckered & you can't see it? more fool you

The point is that 100% of the members were entitled to vote and clearly a lot chose not to. If it's a protest then what has it achieved apart from denying the 'stay at home' voters the right to complain about the outcome.

Nor was there was not a 100% turn out in the general election, which resulted in a coalition government.

You seem to have missed the point that people were offered the chance to vote against the current government but for reasons best known to themselves they chose not to exercise that privilege. If you have a problem with the Coalition, I suggest you turn and look for the people who chose not to vote because they could have voted for a party more to your liking. Pundits suggest that Labour supporters are harder to turn out on election day so that is your cross to bear.

Read ALL of the attached posts.

Loosehead started by giving statistics about the Unions and the percentage of members who voted, and appeared to claim that if every member had voted, the outcome would have been different.

I merely pointed out that it was the same with the general election, and whether or not a person decides to vote is up to them.

If, as you say, Labour supporters are harder to turn out on election day, how do those pundits explain the fact that Southampton now has a Labour council?

Who are these alleged 'Pundits'?

Why didn't all those True Blue Tories turn out to support Royston Smith?

SCC is run by the Unions.
>
Southampton will continue its path to obscurity while it is controlled by the Unions and their lap dogs - the Labour Party.
>
Business will not invest in Southampton - the Educated Young will not stay in Southampton.
If you take away the Universities, the NHS and the Port you would be left with NOTHING!
>
The future of Southampton is dependent on investment and education and you will not get that while Labour and the Unions control Southampton.
>
Footnote
The last Labour government managed to relegate us further down the global ladder in education and investment - that is not a good future for our young.

Linesman wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

loosehead wrote:
How's this what the workforce want's ?43% of Unison & 35% of Unite voted & not a 100% in favour vote ?
So no where near 50% of the union membership votes & then 1-8 vote against it so the majority were actually against it?
57% of Unison didn't want the vote. 65% of Unite didn't want the vote so how's it been passed in favour?
Now wait until November & see Labours betrayal of it's workforce.
The Unions now feel they can blackmail the Government into letting them run the country the same way they've used Labour to enforce this policy?
I can only feel that these Unions have now got what they want from the local members & now they wipe their hands of them?
1-10 refuse jobs to go? 1,500 job losses how many temps are there?
You who voted for this are still being suckered & you can't see it? more fool you

The point is that 100% of the members were entitled to vote and clearly a lot chose not to. If it's a protest then what has it achieved apart from denying the 'stay at home' voters the right to complain about the outcome.

Nor was there was not a 100% turn out in the general election, which resulted in a coalition government.

You seem to have missed the point that people were offered the chance to vote against the current government but for reasons best known to themselves they chose not to exercise that privilege. If you have a problem with the Coalition, I suggest you turn and look for the people who chose not to vote because they could have voted for a party more to your liking. Pundits suggest that Labour supporters are harder to turn out on election day so that is your cross to bear.

Read ALL of the attached posts.

Loosehead started by giving statistics about the Unions and the percentage of members who voted, and appeared to claim that if every member had voted, the outcome would have been different.

I merely pointed out that it was the same with the general election, and whether or not a person decides to vote is up to them.

If, as you say, Labour supporters are harder to turn out on election day, how do those pundits explain the fact that Southampton now has a Labour council?

Who are these alleged 'Pundits'?

Why didn't all those True Blue Tories turn out to support Royston Smith?

I completely accept the statistics showing the % turnouts and agree that results would be different if everyone voted, but they don't and you have to accept the wishes of those who made the effort instead of musing on the outcome that you would have preferred. Watch a few elections and you'll see that a small number of 'swing' voters tend to sway the result and Southampton fell to Labour partly because they picked up the disaffected vote. A massive foul-up by the current administration would probably see a reversal of fortunes at the next vote as Labour voters chose not to support the incumbents or changed allegiance. The most important thing is that you do have a vote and part of democracy is deciding how to place it but if you decide not to cast your vote you lose all rights to complain about an outcome that you could have affected. As for the 'pundits', I lifted this from Labour Uncut which you may chose to do a Southy and argue that its 'false propaganda' but :-
"One of the perennial concerns of political observers and party campaigners alike is the problem of low turnout. It’s a particular issue for the Labour party" Is that good enough for you?

Maine Lobster wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Maine Lobster wrote:

Dave of Dibden wrote:
Council Tax up services down well done the Unions

I think you will find the Council Tax is frozen and if services go down its because central Government has cut funding for local services to bail out the banks.
As "Dave of Dibden" seems not to be a Southampton resident, it ought not to worry him too much,apart of course from the fact that Dibden is under New Forest Council, who charge quite a lot more in Council Tax.
Strange how some posters rationalise their thoughts!

But you know that next year they can charge what they like & in November-December we'll hear exactly what they will do in next years budget.
they moved the timing of the announcement once so exactly how bad is it going to be?
I have been against the strikes as I feel the unions have used their members for political reasons & now they're talking about doing it Nationally?
We never vote in the Unions unless we vote in Labour so what right have these unions to dictate how the countries run? They are a minority of the populace so again what gives them the right to run our country?

You are deluded. The dispute was created by Royston Smith for political reasons. He hates unions and decided to take out his anger on the workers of this city. He lost his control of the Council in May and many of his party colleagues paid the price for his personal ego trip. He failed this city and his party in his own selfish interests.

Haven't you taken in what you've read?
The Unions knew what the Tory administration planned as the unions refused to talk to them about it or put forward alternatives besides hit the banks.
The letters in the unions own correspondence were clearly sent out before the legal limit.
If this was not so why the hell are the workers giving up the chance of large pay outs ( unions Words).
Why exactly are they accepting lower redundancy packages & lower pensions?
200 already losing their Permanent jobs being forced to take Temporary jobs which they will have for four months?
Will they remain on the same pay? or will they have to take a lower wage?
What happens if they don't want those jobs?
In late November early December we'll see next years budget & where the rest of the proposed 1,500 job losses are going to come from let's see how happy the workers are then?
Fortnightly collections do the voters want it? they're getting it Williams is an out & out Liar & more fool people like you who back this non elected Union & their stool pigeons the Labour Party.

loosehead wrote:

Maine Lobster wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Maine Lobster wrote:

Dave of Dibden wrote:
Council Tax up services down well done the Unions

I think you will find the Council Tax is frozen and if services go down its because central Government has cut funding for local services to bail out the banks.
As "Dave of Dibden" seems not to be a Southampton resident, it ought not to worry him too much,apart of course from the fact that Dibden is under New Forest Council, who charge quite a lot more in Council Tax.
Strange how some posters rationalise their thoughts!

But you know that next year they can charge what they like & in November-December we'll hear exactly what they will do in next years budget.
they moved the timing of the announcement once so exactly how bad is it going to be?
I have been against the strikes as I feel the unions have used their members for political reasons & now they're talking about doing it Nationally?
We never vote in the Unions unless we vote in Labour so what right have these unions to dictate how the countries run? They are a minority of the populace so again what gives them the right to run our country?

You are deluded. The dispute was created by Royston Smith for political reasons. He hates unions and decided to take out his anger on the workers of this city. He lost his control of the Council in May and many of his party colleagues paid the price for his personal ego trip. He failed this city and his party in his own selfish interests.

Haven't you taken in what you've read?
The Unions knew what the Tory administration planned as the unions refused to talk to them about it or put forward alternatives besides hit the banks.
The letters in the unions own correspondence were clearly sent out before the legal limit.
If this was not so why the hell are the workers giving up the chance of large pay outs ( unions Words).
Why exactly are they accepting lower redundancy packages & lower pensions?
200 already losing their Permanent jobs being forced to take Temporary jobs which they will have for four months?
Will they remain on the same pay? or will they have to take a lower wage?
What happens if they don't want those jobs?
In late November early December we'll see next years budget & where the rest of the proposed 1,500 job losses are going to come from let's see how happy the workers are then?
Fortnightly collections do the voters want it? they're getting it Williams is an out & out Liar & more fool people like you who back this non elected Union & their stool pigeons the Labour Party.

More sour grapes Tory ranting.
You would have loved to have seen the ordinary workers down trodden,wouldn't you?
You clearly have no understanding of the principle of trade unionism and take every opportunity to back your anti union stance. You are entitled to your opinion.
The dispute would never have happened if the pay wasn't cut. The legal cases have been dropped because members will get their wages back. Simple.

Maine Lobster wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Maine Lobster wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Maine Lobster wrote:

Dave of Dibden wrote:
Council Tax up services down well done the Unions

I think you will find the Council Tax is frozen and if services go down its because central Government has cut funding for local services to bail out the banks.
As "Dave of Dibden" seems not to be a Southampton resident, it ought not to worry him too much,apart of course from the fact that Dibden is under New Forest Council, who charge quite a lot more in Council Tax.
Strange how some posters rationalise their thoughts!

But you know that next year they can charge what they like & in November-December we'll hear exactly what they will do in next years budget.
they moved the timing of the announcement once so exactly how bad is it going to be?
I have been against the strikes as I feel the unions have used their members for political reasons & now they're talking about doing it Nationally?
We never vote in the Unions unless we vote in Labour so what right have these unions to dictate how the countries run? They are a minority of the populace so again what gives them the right to run our country?

You are deluded. The dispute was created by Royston Smith for political reasons. He hates unions and decided to take out his anger on the workers of this city. He lost his control of the Council in May and many of his party colleagues paid the price for his personal ego trip. He failed this city and his party in his own selfish interests.

Haven't you taken in what you've read?
The Unions knew what the Tory administration planned as the unions refused to talk to them about it or put forward alternatives besides hit the banks.
The letters in the unions own correspondence were clearly sent out before the legal limit.
If this was not so why the hell are the workers giving up the chance of large pay outs ( unions Words).
Why exactly are they accepting lower redundancy packages & lower pensions?
200 already losing their Permanent jobs being forced to take Temporary jobs which they will have for four months?
Will they remain on the same pay? or will they have to take a lower wage?
What happens if they don't want those jobs?
In late November early December we'll see next years budget & where the rest of the proposed 1,500 job losses are going to come from let's see how happy the workers are then?
Fortnightly collections do the voters want it? they're getting it Williams is an out & out Liar & more fool people like you who back this non elected Union & their stool pigeons the Labour Party.

More sour grapes Tory ranting.
You would have loved to have seen the ordinary workers down trodden,wouldn't you?
You clearly have no understanding of the principle of trade unionism and take every opportunity to back your anti union stance. You are entitled to your opinion.
The dispute would never have happened if the pay wasn't cut. The legal cases have been dropped because members will get their wages back. Simple.

Really you come back with this Anti Tory rant?
I have been saying all along that the Unions should be fighting to save jobs pay & conditions should come second to saving jobs.
I've said about Germany where the Unions agreed with companies on whole-scale pay cuts & through this action have seen jobless figures drop.
I've also said of cases here where Unions have suggested pay cut's to save either jobs or the company & I've asked the question why didn't these Unions agree to such a deal?
You lot of the left say "It's only 200 temps going" But it's not can't you lot get it? 200 temps going so permanent people can slot into those posts for four months & then what?
I feel the Unions have betrayed the workers & as for one who went to a Labour Party Meeting at Central Hall & cheered Harold Wilson which I did with my father I can see these Unions in no way were fighting for the good of their members.
Williams before the election let slip 1-10 refuse workers to go all temps plus 1,500 permanent posts to go as well then he denied it?
Start looking at what the tip of the Iceberg is showing?
Fortnightly collections he denied saying it would happen will it?
Services being cut he said the Tories would do it? Oaklands Pool?
He said ( so did Labour party) Tories will destroy education by cutting the budget?
Labour are cutting one schools budget by 45% & many more are seeing similar figures so who's cutting what?
It has been let slip in a residents meeting that council tax will go up in my band by £100 next year or £10 a month & that won't even touch the £42million deficit will it so Wait until late November & tell me if Labour & the Unions are fighting for the workers or were as it now seems better off under the Tories?

Ah,now it comes down to it. you are only really concerned about your Council tax!

Maine Lobster wrote:
Ah,now it comes down to it. you are only really concerned about your Council tax!

I already know it's going up by 3.5%.
I'm actually concerned for the jobs of these workers who've been lied to by there unions & the Labour party

loosehead wrote:

Maine Lobster wrote:
Ah,now it comes down to it. you are only really concerned about your Council tax!

I already know it's going up by 3.5%.
I'm actually concerned for the jobs of these workers who've been lied to by there unions & the Labour party

That cuts no mustard with your record of pro tory/anti union views. We clearly differ and you will no doubt want the last word, you are welcome to it, its too tedious to continue.

All politicians are the same, liars, cheats and con-artists.

Wrong Ginger, politicians are the same as cyclist, some good, some bad and some ok.
Ride safely, have a good week.