John Denham and Chris Huhne playing key roles in possible future of UK government

Daily Echo: John Denham John Denham

SOUTHAMPTON MP John Denham is today poised to help the Prime Minister in vital talks should a Tory and Lib Dem deal to run the country collapse.

Speaking to the Daily Echo last night Itchen’s Labour MP told how he had been in conversation with Gordon Brown over the weekend as the drama in Whitehall continued. The Communities Secretary, who was narrowly re-elected with a majority of just 192 votes after a tense recount in last week’s General Election, said he hoped to be involved in his party’s negotiations with kingmaker and Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg.

Mr Denham, who has spent the weekend with his family in Southampton, told how he had been kept abreast of developments by the PM, who called him on Friday and again last night. He told the Daily Echo: “The truth is it has been quiet on the Labour side over the weekend. We have recognised that given the outcome of the election, the first conversation had to take place between the Tories and Lib Dems.

“Until we know where those talks have got to or the Lib Dems say they want to come to us, there is not going to be very much happening.

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Obviously there have been some regular phone calls between the PM and members of the Cabinet, updating us on what is going on. But the main news was that not a lot has been going on.

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“I spoke to the Prime Minister on Friday afternoon and also about half an hour ago. His general approach is that there is not a great deal that we can be doing or saying at this stage. We are constitutionally in place as ministers until the outcome is determined.

“He was ringing to say that things have not gone beyond that.”

Asked whether he hoped to be part of any negotiating team should talks between Conservatives and Lib Dems break down, he added: “I don’t want to overstate my role but I am quite sure that I am one of those that will be consulted.

“I have always been a champion of electoral reform.

“But as you would imagine, most of the negotiations will be conducted on our behalf by the Prime Minister and his most senior ministers.”

Meanwhile, speculation was mounting last night that a Hampshire MP may be handed a high profile cabinet role if the Tories managed to strike a deal to form a new government with their rival Lib Dems.

Reports over the weekend suggested Eastleigh’s re-elected MP Chris Huhne may be offered the position of Transport Secretary or even Home Secretary if the two parties settle over a power-sharing agreement.

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The Lib Dem home affairs spokesman, who increased his majority last Thursday, was a key part of behind the scenes negotiations in London throughout the weekend.

But with crunch talks continuing last night, he was unavailable to clarify whether he had been involved in discussions over the potential he could fill such a senior role.

The rumours started when Mr Huhne’s party leader Nick Clegg entered in to talks with Tory counterpart David Cameron after last week’s General Election resulted in a hung parliament.

It was widely reported yesterday that negotiations included drafting three senior Liberal Democrats into a Conservative Cabinet, with jobs including Home Secretary, Chief Secretary to the Treasury and Transport Minister.

Talks were due to have recommenced this morning.

Meanwhile, Tory Desmond Swayne, a close aide of Cameron, last night said he had been summoned to a meeting of Conservative MPs in London this evening.

The New Forest West MP, who had spent the weekend at a shooting range with the Territorial Army, said he had not been involved in negotiations so far and had not spoken to his leader since the talks began.

The horse trading was set in motion by an election which produced the UK’s first hung Parliament since 1974. The Tories secured 307 MPs, 19 short of the threshold for an outright majority. Labour were on 258 and Liberal Democrats on 57.

The result thrust Mr Clegg into the role of kingmaker and he put the ball firmly in Mr Cameron’s court by declaring that, as the party with most seats and votes, the Conservatives had the “first right” to seek to form a government.

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11:31am Mon 10 May 10

Lone Ranger says...

I dont think that there will be much chance of Libs now forming a government with Labour.
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I dont think that there will be much chance of Libs now forming a government with Labour. . Lone Ranger

11:37am Mon 10 May 10

Brite Spark says...

Whoever is left out in the cold, will win the next General Election in 2011 - any pact is doomed Mr Mainwaring, doomed!
Whoever is left out in the cold, will win the next General Election in 2011 - any pact is doomed Mr Mainwaring, doomed! Brite Spark

11:42am Mon 10 May 10

freefinker says...

Whilst I know there are some in both the red and blue tribes who favour electoral reform, both parties are fundamentally opposed - although it seems the reds may have had a half-hearted death-bed conversion.
Unless this corrupt political system is changed to proportional representation, where almost every vote actually counts, interest in politics will continue to wane.
The yellow tribe will do this country a grave disservice if they do not use their current once in a generation influence to deliver electoral reform.
It has been over 50 years since a ruling party obtained more than 50% of the vote. None of them have had any democratic legitimacy. It’s a discreditable fix by the reds and blues to pervert democracy and should no longer be tolerated.
If the yellows fail to deliver on this they are finished as a credible force in UK politics.
Whilst I know there are some in both the red and blue tribes who favour electoral reform, both parties are fundamentally opposed - although it seems the reds may have had a half-hearted death-bed conversion. Unless this corrupt political system is changed to proportional representation, where almost every vote actually counts, interest in politics will continue to wane. The yellow tribe will do this country a grave disservice if they do not use their current once in a generation influence to deliver electoral reform. It has been over 50 years since a ruling party obtained more than 50% of the vote. None of them have had any democratic legitimacy. It’s a discreditable fix by the reds and blues to pervert democracy and should no longer be tolerated. If the yellows fail to deliver on this they are finished as a credible force in UK politics. freefinker

11:44am Mon 10 May 10

Duncan Disorderly says...

John Denham's whistling in the dark. The Lib Dems would be total mugs if they link up with a totally discredited Labour Party, and their combined numbers wouldn't have a majority anyway.
John Denham's whistling in the dark. The Lib Dems would be total mugs if they link up with a totally discredited Labour Party, and their combined numbers wouldn't have a majority anyway. Duncan Disorderly

12:06pm Mon 10 May 10

mr angreee says...

If the conservatives havnt the bottle to go it alone ,they should make the 3 liberals ministers for litter, dog cr*p, and paper clips,and see if their so keen then,but what ever you do dont let them anywhere near money,bombs,imigrati
on and europe!
If the conservatives havnt the bottle to go it alone [which they should after all they won] ,they should make the 3 liberals ministers for litter, dog cr*p, and paper clips,and see if their so keen then,but what ever you do dont let them anywhere near money,bombs,imigrati on and europe! mr angreee

12:18pm Mon 10 May 10

southy says...

Lone Ranger wrote:
I dont think that there will be much chance of Libs now forming a government with Labour.
.
to be honest lone, i dont want to see a lib/lab forming a government, i would much prefer to see a con/lib because they will not last long and it will mean the end of the tory party for good it going to be there last time in power. just get ready now for the next general election before the end of 2012.
has you seen the bbc news yet, a 14 year old boy voted in this general election. nice c ock up.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger[/bold] wrote: I dont think that there will be much chance of Libs now forming a government with Labour. .[/p][/quote]to be honest lone, i dont want to see a lib/lab forming a government, i would much prefer to see a con/lib because they will not last long and it will mean the end of the tory party for good it going to be there last time in power. just get ready now for the next general election before the end of 2012. has you seen the bbc news yet, a 14 year old boy voted in this general election. nice c ock up. southy

12:27pm Mon 10 May 10

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
Lone Ranger wrote:
I dont think that there will be much chance of Libs now forming a government with Labour.
.
to be honest lone, i dont want to see a lib/lab forming a government, i would much prefer to see a con/lib because they will not last long and it will mean the end of the tory party for good it going to be there last time in power. just get ready now for the next general election before the end of 2012.
has you seen the bbc news yet, a 14 year old boy voted in this general election. nice c ock up.
Far from it southy. If the yellows join the blues WITHOUT electoral reform, the blues will organise a coalition-breaking crisis and go to the nation on a “who rules” platform.
The yellows will be totally discredited as they have failed to deliver electoral reform, the blues will pick up a substantial proportion of their vote, and our corrupt electoral system will deliver a blue majority of MP’s on yet another minority share of the vote.
The future is bleak - unless we get PR
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger[/bold] wrote: I dont think that there will be much chance of Libs now forming a government with Labour. .[/p][/quote]to be honest lone, i dont want to see a lib/lab forming a government, i would much prefer to see a con/lib because they will not last long and it will mean the end of the tory party for good it going to be there last time in power. just get ready now for the next general election before the end of 2012. has you seen the bbc news yet, a 14 year old boy voted in this general election. nice c ock up.[/p][/quote]Far from it southy. If the yellows join the blues WITHOUT electoral reform, the blues will organise a coalition-breaking crisis and go to the nation on a “who rules” platform. The yellows will be totally discredited as they have failed to deliver electoral reform, the blues will pick up a substantial proportion of their vote, and our corrupt electoral system will deliver a blue majority of MP’s on yet another minority share of the vote. The future is bleak - unless we get PR freefinker

12:47pm Mon 10 May 10

Sneakyninja says...

So what will Denham and Huhnes actual roles be in any, if any Lib/Lab negotinations that take place?

Tea-making? Biscuit distribution? Sandwich collection at lunch? or.. even the biggest job.. making sure there's enough bogroll!

Surely only top tier party members would be the only ones in the meetings, not these third rate dreamers??
So what will Denham and Huhnes actual roles be in any, if any Lib/Lab negotinations that take place? Tea-making? Biscuit distribution? Sandwich collection at lunch? or.. even the biggest job.. making sure there's enough bogroll! Surely only top tier party members would be the only ones in the meetings, not these third rate dreamers?? Sneakyninja

12:53pm Mon 10 May 10

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger wrote:
I dont think that there will be much chance of Libs now forming a government with Labour.
.
to be honest lone, i dont want to see a lib/lab forming a government, i would much prefer to see a con/lib because they will not last long and it will mean the end of the tory party for good it going to be there last time in power. just get ready now for the next general election before the end of 2012.
has you seen the bbc news yet, a 14 year old boy voted in this general election. nice c ock up.
Far from it southy. If the yellows join the blues WITHOUT electoral reform, the blues will organise a coalition-breaking crisis and go to the nation on a “who rules” platform.
The yellows will be totally discredited as they have failed to deliver electoral reform, the blues will pick up a substantial proportion of their vote, and our corrupt electoral system will deliver a blue majority of MP’s on yet another minority share of the vote.
The future is bleak - unless we get PR
what will happen they get this pack of a con lib, then about a year or so time, the libs will realise that the tory dont tend to let a agreement be reach over pr, then you see the libs starting to vote against the torys in government and it be about a year after that but before the end of 2012 there be a vote of no confidence in government. you want it just long enough for the torys do some damage but not to much just enough to remind people what the torys are about, and vote them out totally and for the last time, the torys will become the third party. and slowly fade in to the history books where they belong. what should of happen 200 years ago.
the system we got for the house of commons is a good one, what is wrong with it is the boundrys, its all ways stack up in the tory favour, what is needed here i think is that all areas should have the same sort of voting people numbers.
make the house of lords pr, you could do this by counting up the total number that voted to the % of each party. and dont worry if a none peer take a seat in that house.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger[/bold] wrote: I dont think that there will be much chance of Libs now forming a government with Labour. .[/p][/quote]to be honest lone, i dont want to see a lib/lab forming a government, i would much prefer to see a con/lib because they will not last long and it will mean the end of the tory party for good it going to be there last time in power. just get ready now for the next general election before the end of 2012. has you seen the bbc news yet, a 14 year old boy voted in this general election. nice c ock up.[/p][/quote]Far from it southy. If the yellows join the blues WITHOUT electoral reform, the blues will organise a coalition-breaking crisis and go to the nation on a “who rules” platform. The yellows will be totally discredited as they have failed to deliver electoral reform, the blues will pick up a substantial proportion of their vote, and our corrupt electoral system will deliver a blue majority of MP’s on yet another minority share of the vote. The future is bleak - unless we get PR[/p][/quote]what will happen they get this pack of a con lib, then about a year or so time, the libs will realise that the tory dont tend to let a agreement be reach over pr, then you see the libs starting to vote against the torys in government and it be about a year after that but before the end of 2012 there be a vote of no confidence in government. you want it just long enough for the torys do some damage but not to much just enough to remind people what the torys are about, and vote them out totally and for the last time, the torys will become the third party. and slowly fade in to the history books where they belong. what should of happen 200 years ago. the system we got for the house of commons is a good one, what is wrong with it is the boundrys, its all ways stack up in the tory favour, what is needed here i think is that all areas should have the same sort of voting people numbers. make the house of lords pr, you could do this by counting up the total number that voted to the % of each party. and dont worry if a none peer take a seat in that house. southy

1:22pm Mon 10 May 10

allsaintsnocurves says...

Gordon Brown should have done the decent thing by now and announce that he will step down once a new governement is in place whether or not that is the Lib Dems and the Tories or with Labour.

I think the Clegg and Cameron will work something out for the good of the country anyway so can't see Labour being needed. I just hope it's tied up soon!
Gordon Brown should have done the decent thing by now and announce that he will step down once a new governement is in place whether or not that is the Lib Dems and the Tories or with Labour. I think the Clegg and Cameron will work something out for the good of the country anyway so can't see Labour being needed. I just hope it's tied up soon! allsaintsnocurves

1:35pm Mon 10 May 10

Condor Man says...

Denham, be a big boy and accept defeat, don't want to be seen as a bad loser like Gordon
Denham, be a big boy and accept defeat, don't want to be seen as a bad loser like Gordon Condor Man

1:37pm Mon 10 May 10

The Wickham Man says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger wrote:
I dont think that there will be much chance of Libs now forming a government with Labour.
.
to be honest lone, i dont want to see a lib/lab forming a government, i would much prefer to see a con/lib because they will not last long and it will mean the end of the tory party for good it going to be there last time in power. just get ready now for the next general election before the end of 2012.
has you seen the bbc news yet, a 14 year old boy voted in this general election. nice c ock up.
Far from it southy. If the yellows join the blues WITHOUT electoral reform, the blues will organise a coalition-breaking crisis and go to the nation on a “who rules” platform.
The yellows will be totally discredited as they have failed to deliver electoral reform, the blues will pick up a substantial proportion of their vote, and our corrupt electoral system will deliver a blue majority of MP’s on yet another minority share of the vote.
The future is bleak - unless we get PR
what will happen they get this pack of a con lib, then about a year or so time, the libs will realise that the tory dont tend to let a agreement be reach over pr, then you see the libs starting to vote against the torys in government and it be about a year after that but before the end of 2012 there be a vote of no confidence in government. you want it just long enough for the torys do some damage but not to much just enough to remind people what the torys are about, and vote them out totally and for the last time, the torys will become the third party. and slowly fade in to the history books where they belong. what should of happen 200 years ago.
the system we got for the house of commons is a good one, what is wrong with it is the boundrys, its all ways stack up in the tory favour, what is needed here i think is that all areas should have the same sort of voting people numbers.
make the house of lords pr, you could do this by counting up the total number that voted to the % of each party. and dont worry if a none peer take a seat in that house.
You idiot - How can the system stack up in favour of the tories when they need to poll 5% more of the votes cast simply to get the same number of seats as labour? It is clear to anyone who watched the news and the polls that if Labour had polled 30% and the tories 35% the difference in their seats would have been minimal. So yes - let's bring on electoral reform and see labour brought down to 210 seats where they rightfully belong.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger[/bold] wrote: I dont think that there will be much chance of Libs now forming a government with Labour. .[/p][/quote]to be honest lone, i dont want to see a lib/lab forming a government, i would much prefer to see a con/lib because they will not last long and it will mean the end of the tory party for good it going to be there last time in power. just get ready now for the next general election before the end of 2012. has you seen the bbc news yet, a 14 year old boy voted in this general election. nice c ock up.[/p][/quote]Far from it southy. If the yellows join the blues WITHOUT electoral reform, the blues will organise a coalition-breaking crisis and go to the nation on a “who rules” platform. The yellows will be totally discredited as they have failed to deliver electoral reform, the blues will pick up a substantial proportion of their vote, and our corrupt electoral system will deliver a blue majority of MP’s on yet another minority share of the vote. The future is bleak - unless we get PR[/p][/quote]what will happen they get this pack of a con lib, then about a year or so time, the libs will realise that the tory dont tend to let a agreement be reach over pr, then you see the libs starting to vote against the torys in government and it be about a year after that but before the end of 2012 there be a vote of no confidence in government. you want it just long enough for the torys do some damage but not to much just enough to remind people what the torys are about, and vote them out totally and for the last time, the torys will become the third party. and slowly fade in to the history books where they belong. what should of happen 200 years ago. the system we got for the house of commons is a good one, what is wrong with it is the boundrys, its all ways stack up in the tory favour, what is needed here i think is that all areas should have the same sort of voting people numbers. make the house of lords pr, you could do this by counting up the total number that voted to the % of each party. and dont worry if a none peer take a seat in that house.[/p][/quote]You idiot - How can the system stack up in favour of the tories when they need to poll 5% more of the votes cast simply to get the same number of seats as labour? It is clear to anyone who watched the news and the polls that if Labour had polled 30% and the tories 35% the difference in their seats would have been minimal. So yes - let's bring on electoral reform and see labour brought down to 210 seats where they rightfully belong. The Wickham Man

1:38pm Mon 10 May 10

Lone Ranger says...

Condor Man wrote:
Denham, be a big boy and accept defeat, don't want to be seen as a bad loser like Gordon
Or like Royston and his sheep
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Denham, be a big boy and accept defeat, don't want to be seen as a bad loser like Gordon[/p][/quote]Or like Royston and his sheep Lone Ranger

1:43pm Mon 10 May 10

Lone Ranger says...

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
Gordon Brown should have done the decent thing by now and announce that he will step down once a new governement is in place whether or not that is the Lib Dems and the Tories or with Labour.

I think the Clegg and Cameron will work something out for the good of the country anyway so can't see Labour being needed. I just hope it's tied up soon!
Firstly Brown does not yet have to step down. What he is doing is no more than the Tories would have done. In fact Heath did it to an extent.
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All that Cameron will work out is what is good for the Tories NO ONE ELSE..so dont kid yourself that he has the country in mind. He is trying to make the best of a bad job because they didnt have the support of the Country..no one won everyone lost
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: Gordon Brown should have done the decent thing by now and announce that he will step down once a new governement is in place whether or not that is the Lib Dems and the Tories or with Labour. I think the Clegg and Cameron will work something out for the good of the country anyway so can't see Labour being needed. I just hope it's tied up soon![/p][/quote]Firstly Brown does not yet have to step down. What he is doing is no more than the Tories would have done. In fact Heath did it to an extent. . All that Cameron will work out is what is good for the Tories NO ONE ELSE..so dont kid yourself that he has the country in mind. He is trying to make the best of a bad job because they didnt have the support of the Country..no one won everyone lost Lone Ranger

1:46pm Mon 10 May 10

freefinker says...

Lone Ranger wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
Denham, be a big boy and accept defeat, don't want to be seen as a bad loser like Gordon
Or like Royston and his sheep
I know Moulton looks a bit like a sheep, but is he Royston's sheep?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Denham, be a big boy and accept defeat, don't want to be seen as a bad loser like Gordon[/p][/quote]Or like Royston and his sheep[/p][/quote]I know Moulton looks a bit like a sheep, but is he Royston's sheep? freefinker

1:57pm Mon 10 May 10

allsaintsnocurves says...

Lone Ranger wrote:
allsaintsnocurves wrote: Gordon Brown should have done the decent thing by now and announce that he will step down once a new governement is in place whether or not that is the Lib Dems and the Tories or with Labour. I think the Clegg and Cameron will work something out for the good of the country anyway so can't see Labour being needed. I just hope it's tied up soon!
Firstly Brown does not yet have to step down. What he is doing is no more than the Tories would have done. In fact Heath did it to an extent. . All that Cameron will work out is what is good for the Tories NO ONE ELSE..so dont kid yourself that he has the country in mind. He is trying to make the best of a bad job because they didnt have the support of the Country..no one won everyone lost
Brown can announce he is stepping down but remain prime minister until the right time. There are Tory ministers willing to stand down to allow the Lib Dems to take their positions if it is for the good of the country. Brown just doesn't have any decency in him. He calls old ladies Bigots, he clearly is not someone very easy to get along with. His smile is fake and practised...he is what's wrong with Labour and should go. He would have gotten a lot more respect had he done that...but now it just feels like he wants to try and do some dirty deals behind the scene with the Lib Dems...like Clegg will negotiate with him still the leader.

I hope the Tories sort this out so you can see they aren't going to do what is good just for them and will be doing all they can for the country! Maybe you should wait and see instead of mouthing stuff you don't have any evidence of.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: Gordon Brown should have done the decent thing by now and announce that he will step down once a new governement is in place whether or not that is the Lib Dems and the Tories or with Labour. I think the Clegg and Cameron will work something out for the good of the country anyway so can't see Labour being needed. I just hope it's tied up soon![/p][/quote]Firstly Brown does not yet have to step down. What he is doing is no more than the Tories would have done. In fact Heath did it to an extent. . All that Cameron will work out is what is good for the Tories NO ONE ELSE..so dont kid yourself that he has the country in mind. He is trying to make the best of a bad job because they didnt have the support of the Country..no one won everyone lost[/p][/quote]Brown can announce he is stepping down but remain prime minister until the right time. There are Tory ministers willing to stand down to allow the Lib Dems to take their positions if it is for the good of the country. Brown just doesn't have any decency in him. He calls old ladies Bigots, he clearly is not someone very easy to get along with. His smile is fake and practised...he is what's wrong with Labour and should go. He would have gotten a lot more respect had he done that...but now it just feels like he wants to try and do some dirty deals behind the scene with the Lib Dems...like Clegg will negotiate with him still the leader. I hope the Tories sort this out so you can see they aren't going to do what is good just for them and will be doing all they can for the country! Maybe you should wait and see instead of mouthing stuff you don't have any evidence of. allsaintsnocurves

2:16pm Mon 10 May 10

Lone Ranger says...

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
Lone Ranger wrote:
allsaintsnocurves wrote: Gordon Brown should have done the decent thing by now and announce that he will step down once a new governement is in place whether or not that is the Lib Dems and the Tories or with Labour. I think the Clegg and Cameron will work something out for the good of the country anyway so can't see Labour being needed. I just hope it's tied up soon!
Firstly Brown does not yet have to step down. What he is doing is no more than the Tories would have done. In fact Heath did it to an extent. . All that Cameron will work out is what is good for the Tories NO ONE ELSE..so dont kid yourself that he has the country in mind. He is trying to make the best of a bad job because they didnt have the support of the Country..no one won everyone lost
Brown can announce he is stepping down but remain prime minister until the right time. There are Tory ministers willing to stand down to allow the Lib Dems to take their positions if it is for the good of the country. Brown just doesn't have any decency in him. He calls old ladies Bigots, he clearly is not someone very easy to get along with. His smile is fake and practised...he is what's wrong with Labour and should go. He would have gotten a lot more respect had he done that...but now it just feels like he wants to try and do some dirty deals behind the scene with the Lib Dems...like Clegg will negotiate with him still the leader.

I hope the Tories sort this out so you can see they aren't going to do what is good just for them and will be doing all they can for the country! Maybe you should wait and see instead of mouthing stuff you don't have any evidence of.
At the moment the only one mouthing off is you. You try reading what i have posted.
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As i have said Brown has every right to be there. He is waiting for your beloved Tories to make a deal with Libs. Your own party has done it in the past...And for him to try and do a deal with Clegg once again is no different than Heath did.
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The tories will do whats right for THEM ONLY.
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New Suits, New faces.,..same old Tories
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: Gordon Brown should have done the decent thing by now and announce that he will step down once a new governement is in place whether or not that is the Lib Dems and the Tories or with Labour. I think the Clegg and Cameron will work something out for the good of the country anyway so can't see Labour being needed. I just hope it's tied up soon![/p][/quote]Firstly Brown does not yet have to step down. What he is doing is no more than the Tories would have done. In fact Heath did it to an extent. . All that Cameron will work out is what is good for the Tories NO ONE ELSE..so dont kid yourself that he has the country in mind. He is trying to make the best of a bad job because they didnt have the support of the Country..no one won everyone lost[/p][/quote]Brown can announce he is stepping down but remain prime minister until the right time. There are Tory ministers willing to stand down to allow the Lib Dems to take their positions if it is for the good of the country. Brown just doesn't have any decency in him. He calls old ladies Bigots, he clearly is not someone very easy to get along with. His smile is fake and practised...he is what's wrong with Labour and should go. He would have gotten a lot more respect had he done that...but now it just feels like he wants to try and do some dirty deals behind the scene with the Lib Dems...like Clegg will negotiate with him still the leader. I hope the Tories sort this out so you can see they aren't going to do what is good just for them and will be doing all they can for the country! Maybe you should wait and see instead of mouthing stuff you don't have any evidence of.[/p][/quote]At the moment the only one mouthing off is you. You try reading what i have posted. . As i have said Brown has every right to be there. He is waiting for your beloved Tories to make a deal with Libs. Your own party has done it in the past...And for him to try and do a deal with Clegg once again is no different than Heath did. . The tories will do whats right for THEM ONLY. . New Suits, New faces.,..same old Tories Lone Ranger

3:26pm Mon 10 May 10

Condor Man says...

Labour are such bad losers aren't they. Even now they are trying to cling on. Even with the Lib Dems and SNP/Plaid they still wouldn't have a majority.
Labour are such bad losers aren't they. Even now they are trying to cling on. Even with the Lib Dems and SNP/Plaid they still wouldn't have a majority. Condor Man

3:28pm Mon 10 May 10

Paramjit Bahia says...

I do not share the old fashioned view that Tories will only do what is good for the Conservatives, or New Labour will do what is good for those who voted for this de facto Tory Party. (When I voted for Alan Whitehead I knew what I was doing, so I think others were doing the same).

Our modern corrupt political class is only interested in serving self interest, this trend runs across virtually whole House of Criminals that has stopped being Commons long time ago.

The fancy phrase ‘The national interest’ we have started hearing lately in lay man’s English only mean ‘own ego, greed and megalomania’. Hardly any of them from all the parties is interested in us the people or the nation as a whole.

But whose fault? We can’t just vote for Bilderbergers and then moan about the consequences at the same time.
I do not share the old fashioned view that Tories will only do what is good for the Conservatives, or New Labour will do what is good for those who voted for this de facto Tory Party. (When I voted for Alan Whitehead I knew what I was doing, so I think others were doing the same). Our modern corrupt political class is only interested in serving self interest, this trend runs across virtually whole House of Criminals that has stopped being Commons long time ago. The fancy phrase ‘The national interest’ we have started hearing lately in lay man’s English only mean ‘own ego, greed and megalomania’. Hardly any of them from all the parties is interested in us the people or the nation as a whole. But whose fault? We can’t just vote for Bilderbergers and then moan about the consequences at the same time. Paramjit Bahia

4:03pm Mon 10 May 10

allsaintsnocurves says...

Lone Ranger wrote:
allsaintsnocurves wrote:
Lone Ranger wrote:
allsaintsnocurves wrote: Gordon Brown should have done the decent thing by now and announce that he will step down once a new governement is in place whether or not that is the Lib Dems and the Tories or with Labour. I think the Clegg and Cameron will work something out for the good of the country anyway so can't see Labour being needed. I just hope it's tied up soon!
Firstly Brown does not yet have to step down. What he is doing is no more than the Tories would have done. In fact Heath did it to an extent. . All that Cameron will work out is what is good for the Tories NO ONE ELSE..so dont kid yourself that he has the country in mind. He is trying to make the best of a bad job because they didnt have the support of the Country..no one won everyone lost
Brown can announce he is stepping down but remain prime minister until the right time. There are Tory ministers willing to stand down to allow the Lib Dems to take their positions if it is for the good of the country. Brown just doesn't have any decency in him. He calls old ladies Bigots, he clearly is not someone very easy to get along with. His smile is fake and practised...he is what's wrong with Labour and should go. He would have gotten a lot more respect had he done that...but now it just feels like he wants to try and do some dirty deals behind the scene with the Lib Dems...like Clegg will negotiate with him still the leader. I hope the Tories sort this out so you can see they aren't going to do what is good just for them and will be doing all they can for the country! Maybe you should wait and see instead of mouthing stuff you don't have any evidence of.
At the moment the only one mouthing off is you. You try reading what i have posted. . As i have said Brown has every right to be there. He is waiting for your beloved Tories to make a deal with Libs. Your own party has done it in the past...And for him to try and do a deal with Clegg once again is no different than Heath did. . The tories will do whats right for THEM ONLY. . New Suits, New faces.,..same old Tories
Well i'm not actually a Tory supporter...unlike those who are Labour through and through no matter what their prime ministers do to the country! Take us into an illegal war giving away more money and power than any other party in history! I support what is best for the country...and judging by the way the negotiations are going between Cameron and Clegg they are determined to do what is right for the country too! Brown should accept defeat in a dignified manner!
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: Gordon Brown should have done the decent thing by now and announce that he will step down once a new governement is in place whether or not that is the Lib Dems and the Tories or with Labour. I think the Clegg and Cameron will work something out for the good of the country anyway so can't see Labour being needed. I just hope it's tied up soon![/p][/quote]Firstly Brown does not yet have to step down. What he is doing is no more than the Tories would have done. In fact Heath did it to an extent. . All that Cameron will work out is what is good for the Tories NO ONE ELSE..so dont kid yourself that he has the country in mind. He is trying to make the best of a bad job because they didnt have the support of the Country..no one won everyone lost[/p][/quote]Brown can announce he is stepping down but remain prime minister until the right time. There are Tory ministers willing to stand down to allow the Lib Dems to take their positions if it is for the good of the country. Brown just doesn't have any decency in him. He calls old ladies Bigots, he clearly is not someone very easy to get along with. His smile is fake and practised...he is what's wrong with Labour and should go. He would have gotten a lot more respect had he done that...but now it just feels like he wants to try and do some dirty deals behind the scene with the Lib Dems...like Clegg will negotiate with him still the leader. I hope the Tories sort this out so you can see they aren't going to do what is good just for them and will be doing all they can for the country! Maybe you should wait and see instead of mouthing stuff you don't have any evidence of.[/p][/quote]At the moment the only one mouthing off is you. You try reading what i have posted. . As i have said Brown has every right to be there. He is waiting for your beloved Tories to make a deal with Libs. Your own party has done it in the past...And for him to try and do a deal with Clegg once again is no different than Heath did. . The tories will do whats right for THEM ONLY. . New Suits, New faces.,..same old Tories[/p][/quote]Well i'm not actually a Tory supporter...unlike those who are Labour through and through no matter what their prime ministers do to the country! Take us into an illegal war giving away more money and power than any other party in history! I support what is best for the country...and judging by the way the negotiations are going between Cameron and Clegg they are determined to do what is right for the country too! Brown should accept defeat in a dignified manner! allsaintsnocurves

5:00pm Mon 10 May 10

Lone Ranger says...

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
Lone Ranger wrote:
allsaintsnocurves wrote:
Lone Ranger wrote:
allsaintsnocurves wrote: Gordon Brown should have done the decent thing by now and announce that he will step down once a new governement is in place whether or not that is the Lib Dems and the Tories or with Labour. I think the Clegg and Cameron will work something out for the good of the country anyway so can't see Labour being needed. I just hope it's tied up soon!
Firstly Brown does not yet have to step down. What he is doing is no more than the Tories would have done. In fact Heath did it to an extent. . All that Cameron will work out is what is good for the Tories NO ONE ELSE..so dont kid yourself that he has the country in mind. He is trying to make the best of a bad job because they didnt have the support of the Country..no one won everyone lost
Brown can announce he is stepping down but remain prime minister until the right time. There are Tory ministers willing to stand down to allow the Lib Dems to take their positions if it is for the good of the country. Brown just doesn't have any decency in him. He calls old ladies Bigots, he clearly is not someone very easy to get along with. His smile is fake and practised...he is what's wrong with Labour and should go. He would have gotten a lot more respect had he done that...but now it just feels like he wants to try and do some dirty deals behind the scene with the Lib Dems...like Clegg will negotiate with him still the leader. I hope the Tories sort this out so you can see they aren't going to do what is good just for them and will be doing all they can for the country! Maybe you should wait and see instead of mouthing stuff you don't have any evidence of.
At the moment the only one mouthing off is you. You try reading what i have posted. . As i have said Brown has every right to be there. He is waiting for your beloved Tories to make a deal with Libs. Your own party has done it in the past...And for him to try and do a deal with Clegg once again is no different than Heath did. . The tories will do whats right for THEM ONLY. . New Suits, New faces.,..same old Tories
Well i'm not actually a Tory supporter...unlike those who are Labour through and through no matter what their prime ministers do to the country! Take us into an illegal war giving away more money and power than any other party in history! I support what is best for the country...and judging by the way the negotiations are going between Cameron and Clegg they are determined to do what is right for the country too! Brown should accept defeat in a dignified manner!
At last we have something in common......yes its hard to believe but we have.......here goes.........well i'm not actually a Tory supporter myself..........ther
e said it......common ground at last
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: Gordon Brown should have done the decent thing by now and announce that he will step down once a new governement is in place whether or not that is the Lib Dems and the Tories or with Labour. I think the Clegg and Cameron will work something out for the good of the country anyway so can't see Labour being needed. I just hope it's tied up soon![/p][/quote]Firstly Brown does not yet have to step down. What he is doing is no more than the Tories would have done. In fact Heath did it to an extent. . All that Cameron will work out is what is good for the Tories NO ONE ELSE..so dont kid yourself that he has the country in mind. He is trying to make the best of a bad job because they didnt have the support of the Country..no one won everyone lost[/p][/quote]Brown can announce he is stepping down but remain prime minister until the right time. There are Tory ministers willing to stand down to allow the Lib Dems to take their positions if it is for the good of the country. Brown just doesn't have any decency in him. He calls old ladies Bigots, he clearly is not someone very easy to get along with. His smile is fake and practised...he is what's wrong with Labour and should go. He would have gotten a lot more respect had he done that...but now it just feels like he wants to try and do some dirty deals behind the scene with the Lib Dems...like Clegg will negotiate with him still the leader. I hope the Tories sort this out so you can see they aren't going to do what is good just for them and will be doing all they can for the country! Maybe you should wait and see instead of mouthing stuff you don't have any evidence of.[/p][/quote]At the moment the only one mouthing off is you. You try reading what i have posted. . As i have said Brown has every right to be there. He is waiting for your beloved Tories to make a deal with Libs. Your own party has done it in the past...And for him to try and do a deal with Clegg once again is no different than Heath did. . The tories will do whats right for THEM ONLY. . New Suits, New faces.,..same old Tories[/p][/quote]Well i'm not actually a Tory supporter...unlike those who are Labour through and through no matter what their prime ministers do to the country! Take us into an illegal war giving away more money and power than any other party in history! I support what is best for the country...and judging by the way the negotiations are going between Cameron and Clegg they are determined to do what is right for the country too! Brown should accept defeat in a dignified manner![/p][/quote]At last we have something in common......yes its hard to believe but we have.......here goes.........well i'm not actually a Tory supporter myself..........ther e said it......common ground at last Lone Ranger

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