Gordon Brown calls a general election for May 6, 2010

PM calls general election

Gordon Brown outside 10 Downing Street

David Cameron

Nick Clegg

First published in Elections Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Politics and business reporter

THE date has been set for the UK to go to the polls after the Prime Minister called a general election.

While campaigning has been under way for months Prime Minister Gordon Brown this morning went to Buckingham Palace to formally seek a dissolution of Parliament.

The long awaited move has set the stage for an election on May 6, alongside local council polls.

Parliament will be dissolved next Monday.

The Daily Echo will be featuring comprehensive coverage of the campaign across south Hampshire in the coming weeks.

Today we introduce video profiles of the main candidates explaining why they feel they deserve your vote.

The electoral map has changed somewhat since the last general election in 2005 with some minor boundaries changes and the creation of a new constituency in Meon Valley, largely from parts of Winchester and East Hampshire, and some 600 voters from Havant.

For the Conservatives to win a working majority and end 13 years of a Labour Government they must paint most of south Hampshire blue.

They need a huge swing in the share of the national vote of about seven per cent, or a ten point poll lead to avoid a hung parliament.

Liberal Democrat seats in Romsey, Eastleigh and Winchester, are top Tory targets.

Romsey MP Sandra Gidley held her seat in 2005 with the slimmest of majorities – just 125 votes. Tory challenger Caroline Nokes hopes she can go one better this time and take the seat.

Lib Dems also face a battle to hold their Winchester seat where shamed MP Mark Oaten is standing down after 13 years.

Eastleigh MP and former leadership contender Chris Huhne is the highest profile Lib Dem with a vulnerable majority, of 1.1 per cent.

Meanwhile, Labour will be fighting to hold its two seats in Southampton where Cabinet minister John Denham and Alan Whitehead face a battle with leading Tory city councillors Royston Smith and Jeremy Moulton.

COUNTDOWN TO GENERAL ELECTION

This is the likely timetable in the run-up to polling day:

:: Tuesday April 6

The Prime Minister asks the Queen to dissolve Parliament and announces the date to the public.

:: Tuesday April 6 to Thursday April 8/Friday April 9

Parliamentary ''wash-up'' period, as loose ends of legislation are tied up.

:: Monday April 12

Parliament is officially dissolved. Writs are issued for each of the 650 constituencies.

:: Tuesday April 20

Nomination papers for candidates must be submitted by 4pm. Candidate lists published after 5pm. Last day for voter registration and to apply for a postal vote.

:: Tuesday April 27

Last day to apply for a proxy vote.

:: Thursday May 6

Polling day, with polls open from 7am to 10pm.

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7:51am Tue 6 Apr 10

Condor Man says...

I had a leaflet through from Alan Whitehead at the weekend. Nothing he said was relevant to me. He lives round the corner from me, as does John Denham (note not in Itchen) yet neither are reaching out to people living in their own homes in the suburbs. Looking at the spread of council seats in the city owner-occupiers (who make up the majority in Southampton) will decide this election. Take note Southy.
I had a leaflet through from Alan Whitehead at the weekend. Nothing he said was relevant to me. He lives round the corner from me, as does John Denham (note not in Itchen) yet neither are reaching out to people living in their own homes in the suburbs. Looking at the spread of council seats in the city owner-occupiers (who make up the majority in Southampton) will decide this election. Take note Southy. Condor Man
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7:54am Tue 6 Apr 10

The Hammer says...

So once again, we will end up having to choose between parties that have next to no difference in their policies. For MP's who abuse their position to feather their own nest. For a system that gets less and less legislation through due to the large amount of time that Parliament is on holiday. For Party leaders with zero charisma.
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Is it really worth it? Perhaps a record low turnout will send a bigger message, although that does have a danger of letting the loony fringe parties in like the BNP and Greens.
So once again, we will end up having to choose between parties that have next to no difference in their policies. For MP's who abuse their position to feather their own nest. For a system that gets less and less legislation through due to the large amount of time that Parliament is on holiday. For Party leaders with zero charisma. . Is it really worth it? Perhaps a record low turnout will send a bigger message, although that does have a danger of letting the loony fringe parties in like the BNP and Greens. The Hammer
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8:08am Tue 6 Apr 10

Brite Spark says...

Come On You Reds!
Come On You Reds! Brite Spark
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9:22am Tue 6 Apr 10

geoff51 says...

Goodbye Gordon! It has not been nice knowing you.
Welcome David! Its your turn to sort out the mess he has left
Goodbye Gordon! It has not been nice knowing you. Welcome David! Its your turn to sort out the mess he has left geoff51
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9:27am Tue 6 Apr 10

Condor Man says...

geoff51 wrote:
Goodbye Gordon! It has not been nice knowing you. Welcome David! Its your turn to sort out the mess he has left
It's not been nice knowing Gordon at all. He took a massive pile of cash and wasted it- then borrowed even more to plug the gaps. When you look at new schools, they were paid for by PFI's which we'll be paying for over the next 30 years. by then the owners can close the schools down if they want- for something we've paid for.

When you consider all 'investment' made over the past 13 think about where the money came from and how long you'll be paying for it.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: Goodbye Gordon! It has not been nice knowing you. Welcome David! Its your turn to sort out the mess he has left[/p][/quote]It's not been nice knowing Gordon at all. He took a massive pile of cash and wasted it- then borrowed even more to plug the gaps. When you look at new schools, they were paid for by PFI's which we'll be paying for over the next 30 years. by then the owners can close the schools down if they want- for something we've paid for. When you consider all 'investment' made over the past 13 think about where the money came from and how long you'll be paying for it. Condor Man
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9:35am Tue 6 Apr 10

DCM says...

Condor Man wrote:
geoff51 wrote: Goodbye Gordon! It has not been nice knowing you. Welcome David! Its your turn to sort out the mess he has left
It's not been nice knowing Gordon at all. He took a massive pile of cash and wasted it- then borrowed even more to plug the gaps. When you look at new schools, they were paid for by PFI's which we'll be paying for over the next 30 years. by then the owners can close the schools down if they want- for something we've paid for. When you consider all 'investment' made over the past 13 think about where the money came from and how long you'll be paying for it.
If you think that the Tories will use taxpayers cash wisely then you're seriously deluded.
Best get rid of the dead wood of Tory and Labour and vote yellow :-)
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: Goodbye Gordon! It has not been nice knowing you. Welcome David! Its your turn to sort out the mess he has left[/p][/quote]It's not been nice knowing Gordon at all. He took a massive pile of cash and wasted it- then borrowed even more to plug the gaps. When you look at new schools, they were paid for by PFI's which we'll be paying for over the next 30 years. by then the owners can close the schools down if they want- for something we've paid for. When you consider all 'investment' made over the past 13 think about where the money came from and how long you'll be paying for it.[/p][/quote]If you think that the Tories will use taxpayers cash wisely then you're seriously deluded. Best get rid of the dead wood of Tory and Labour and vote yellow :-) DCM
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9:38am Tue 6 Apr 10

Lone Ranger says...

I read an article over the weekend where it stated from the Tories how Labour had let the working class people down........ How very rich coming from the Tories who voted againt introducing the minimum wage.
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Dont be fooled by the sheer desperation of the Tories to get in................th
ey will promise you everything and deliver nothing.....apart from the rich who will be rubbing their grubby little hands together
I read an article over the weekend where it stated from the Tories how Labour had let the working class people down........ How very rich coming from the Tories who voted againt introducing the minimum wage. . Dont be fooled by the sheer desperation of the Tories to get in................th ey will promise you everything and deliver nothing.....apart from the rich who will be rubbing their grubby little hands together Lone Ranger
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9:58am Tue 6 Apr 10

Brite Spark says...

Peter Vigger's duck house is down the road from me, was it £2,000 he got from taxpayers for that? I know that most of them were on the fiddle but his crowd (Fred Dineage's daughter of all people) will not be getting my vote.
Peter Vigger's duck house is down the road from me, was it £2,000 he got from taxpayers for that? I know that most of them were on the fiddle but his crowd (Fred Dineage's daughter of all people) will not be getting my vote. Brite Spark
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9:58am Tue 6 Apr 10

The Hammer says...

The simple truth always is, you don't have to scratch the surface of the Tory party very much to expose their right wing, upper class, fat cat leanings.
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They may talk moderate, but do you really think Cameron is strong enough to stop the "old guard" in the Tory party putting the upper classes and big business chums ahead of social services etc?.
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And as for George Osbourne, the Eton schoolboy multimillionairre, what does he have in common with 99.9% of the UK population? I also wouldn't trust him with £10 pocket money a month, let alone the UK economy.
The simple truth always is, you don't have to scratch the surface of the Tory party very much to expose their right wing, upper class, fat cat leanings. . They may talk moderate, but do you really think Cameron is strong enough to stop the "old guard" in the Tory party putting the upper classes and big business chums ahead of social services etc?. . And as for George Osbourne, the Eton schoolboy multimillionairre, what does he have in common with 99.9% of the UK population? I also wouldn't trust him with £10 pocket money a month, let alone the UK economy. The Hammer
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10:10am Tue 6 Apr 10

Condor Man says...

The Hammer wrote:
The simple truth always is, you don't have to scratch the surface of the Tory party very much to expose their right wing, upper class, fat cat leanings. . They may talk moderate, but do you really think Cameron is strong enough to stop the "old guard" in the Tory party putting the upper classes and big business chums ahead of social services etc?. . And as for George Osbourne, the Eton schoolboy multimillionairre, what does he have in common with 99.9% of the UK population? I also wouldn't trust him with £10 pocket money a month, let alone the UK economy.
why should it matter where Osbourne went to school, most of the cabinet were privately educated so can't tell me that they are in touch with ordinary people. Don't be fooled by Labour's class politics, Ed Balls, Harriet Harman, Alistair Darling and like have nothing in common with either of us.
[quote][p][bold]The Hammer[/bold] wrote: The simple truth always is, you don't have to scratch the surface of the Tory party very much to expose their right wing, upper class, fat cat leanings. . They may talk moderate, but do you really think Cameron is strong enough to stop the "old guard" in the Tory party putting the upper classes and big business chums ahead of social services etc?. . And as for George Osbourne, the Eton schoolboy multimillionairre, what does he have in common with 99.9% of the UK population? I also wouldn't trust him with £10 pocket money a month, let alone the UK economy.[/p][/quote]why should it matter where Osbourne went to school, most of the cabinet were privately educated so can't tell me that they are in touch with ordinary people. Don't be fooled by Labour's class politics, Ed Balls, Harriet Harman, Alistair Darling and like have nothing in common with either of us. Condor Man
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10:23am Tue 6 Apr 10

Mr Ellis says...

Why do you lefties here think the Tories are only about "upper classes" and "fat cats"? They are about hard working people getting rewarded for their efforts, not relying on the State to run their lives for them.
And for any Conservatives here, I would recommend you check out UKIP - some good policies that would do the country no end of good.
Why do you lefties here think the Tories are only about "upper classes" and "fat cats"? They are about hard working people getting rewarded for their efforts, not relying on the State to run their lives for them. And for any Conservatives here, I would recommend you check out UKIP - some good policies that would do the country no end of good. Mr Ellis
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10:26am Tue 6 Apr 10

Condor Man says...

Mr Ellis wrote:
Why do you lefties here think the Tories are only about "upper classes" and "fat cats"? They are about hard working people getting rewarded for their efforts, not relying on the State to run their lives for them. And for any Conservatives here, I would recommend you check out UKIP - some good policies that would do the country no end of good.
UKIP is a wasted vote, must not allow Brown to wreck this country any further.

On the class debate John Denham is a lot more middle class than Royston Smith- the latter has worked hard to get where he has whereas the former has been a lot more fortunate.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: Why do you lefties here think the Tories are only about "upper classes" and "fat cats"? They are about hard working people getting rewarded for their efforts, not relying on the State to run their lives for them. And for any Conservatives here, I would recommend you check out UKIP - some good policies that would do the country no end of good.[/p][/quote]UKIP is a wasted vote, must not allow Brown to wreck this country any further. On the class debate John Denham is a lot more middle class than Royston Smith- the latter has worked hard to get where he has whereas the former has been a lot more fortunate. Condor Man
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10:39am Tue 6 Apr 10

freefinker says...

The Hammer wrote:
So once again, we will end up having to choose between parties that have next to no difference in their policies. For MP's who abuse their position to feather their own nest. For a system that gets less and less legislation through due to the large amount of time that Parliament is on holiday. For Party leaders with zero charisma.
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Is it really worth it? Perhaps a record low turnout will send a bigger message, although that does have a danger of letting the loony fringe parties in like the BNP and Greens.
Please don't tag the BNP as "loony".
Some of my best friends are a bit loony but none support this bunch of evil fascists.
Sinister would be a more appropriate adjective.
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And lumping the Green’s in with the BNP is uncalled for.
Just because most people have their heads buried in the sand over the global consequences of our profligate lifestyles does not call for a shoot the messenger attitude to the few who highlight potential solutions to what is our planet’s most pressing issue.
[quote][p][bold]The Hammer[/bold] wrote: So once again, we will end up having to choose between parties that have next to no difference in their policies. For MP's who abuse their position to feather their own nest. For a system that gets less and less legislation through due to the large amount of time that Parliament is on holiday. For Party leaders with zero charisma. . Is it really worth it? Perhaps a record low turnout will send a bigger message, although that does have a danger of letting the loony fringe parties in like the BNP and Greens.[/p][/quote]Please don't tag the BNP as "loony". Some of my best friends are a bit loony but none support this bunch of evil fascists. Sinister would be a more appropriate adjective. . And lumping the Green’s in with the BNP is uncalled for. Just because most people have their heads buried in the sand over the global consequences of our profligate lifestyles does not call for a shoot the messenger attitude to the few who highlight potential solutions to what is our planet’s most pressing issue. freefinker
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11:10am Tue 6 Apr 10

Mr Ellis says...

freefinker wrote:
The Hammer wrote: So once again, we will end up having to choose between parties that have next to no difference in their policies. For MP's who abuse their position to feather their own nest. For a system that gets less and less legislation through due to the large amount of time that Parliament is on holiday. For Party leaders with zero charisma. . Is it really worth it? Perhaps a record low turnout will send a bigger message, although that does have a danger of letting the loony fringe parties in like the BNP and Greens.
Please don't tag the BNP as "loony". Some of my best friends are a bit loony but none support this bunch of evil fascists. Sinister would be a more appropriate adjective. . And lumping the Green’s in with the BNP is uncalled for. Just because most people have their heads buried in the sand over the global consequences of our profligate lifestyles does not call for a shoot the messenger attitude to the few who highlight potential solutions to what is our planet’s most pressing issue.
And you think ruining our economy in the slim hope that you can "save the planet" is a good idea? The Green Party's policies are close to where southy sits, and will do no end of harm to our economy and way of life. Unfortunately they pull people in with their environmental policies, and the lemmings are too blind to look any further.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hammer[/bold] wrote: So once again, we will end up having to choose between parties that have next to no difference in their policies. For MP's who abuse their position to feather their own nest. For a system that gets less and less legislation through due to the large amount of time that Parliament is on holiday. For Party leaders with zero charisma. . Is it really worth it? Perhaps a record low turnout will send a bigger message, although that does have a danger of letting the loony fringe parties in like the BNP and Greens.[/p][/quote]Please don't tag the BNP as "loony". Some of my best friends are a bit loony but none support this bunch of evil fascists. Sinister would be a more appropriate adjective. . And lumping the Green’s in with the BNP is uncalled for. Just because most people have their heads buried in the sand over the global consequences of our profligate lifestyles does not call for a shoot the messenger attitude to the few who highlight potential solutions to what is our planet’s most pressing issue.[/p][/quote]And you think ruining our economy in the slim hope that you can "save the planet" is a good idea? The Green Party's policies are close to where southy sits, and will do no end of harm to our economy and way of life. Unfortunately they pull people in with their environmental policies, and the lemmings are too blind to look any further. Mr Ellis
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12:07pm Tue 6 Apr 10

southy says...

Condor Man wrote:
I had a leaflet through from Alan Whitehead at the weekend. Nothing he said was relevant to me. He lives round the corner from me, as does John Denham (note not in Itchen) yet neither are reaching out to people living in their own homes in the suburbs. Looking at the spread of council seats in the city owner-occupiers (who make up the majority in Southampton) will decide this election. Take note Southy.
take note condor nor is it test , but romsey and southampton north. sounds like that where you live to, in one of the well off areas, has for owner occupiers making up the majority that not true now is it, council tenants make up the majority and like in all the elections since the late 80's most will not be voting on the test side, no one to vote for on this side.
itchen do have a choice in the name of the TUSC Tim Cutter.
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: I had a leaflet through from Alan Whitehead at the weekend. Nothing he said was relevant to me. He lives round the corner from me, as does John Denham (note not in Itchen) yet neither are reaching out to people living in their own homes in the suburbs. Looking at the spread of council seats in the city owner-occupiers (who make up the majority in Southampton) will decide this election. Take note Southy.[/p][/quote]take note condor nor is it test , but romsey and southampton north. sounds like that where you live to, in one of the well off areas, has for owner occupiers making up the majority that not true now is it, council tenants make up the majority and like in all the elections since the late 80's most will not be voting on the test side, no one to vote for on this side. itchen do have a choice in the name of the TUSC Tim Cutter. southy
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12:20pm Tue 6 Apr 10

Adrian Smith says...

Gidley fails to get our three votes for her stance on the Police operation in Chandlers Ford a few years ago - remember that? The IPCC have still to publish their report, delayed because an inquest has still not taken place (their email to me 20/11/2009). Is this deliberately being delayed until after the election?

She was soft on criminals, hell bent on endangering the lives of bank workers and the public, plus those Police officers there to defend us.
Gidley fails to get our three votes for her stance on the Police operation in Chandlers Ford a few years ago - remember that? The IPCC have still to publish their report, delayed because an inquest has still not taken place (their email to me 20/11/2009). Is this deliberately being delayed until after the election? She was soft on criminals, hell bent on endangering the lives of bank workers and the public, plus those Police officers there to defend us. Adrian Smith
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12:21pm Tue 6 Apr 10

The Hammer says...

Why do you lefties here think the Tories are only about "upper classes" and "fat cats"?

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Yes. Been proved time and time again that they "look after their own".
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I would say I'm more a floating voter than a "leftie". The tories have just not done enough to convince me they could form a credible government. It's all too wishy-washy, full of soundbites and people like Cameron and his chums remind me of "middle management" that talk a good job, but don't actually do a good job.
Why do you lefties here think the Tories are only about "upper classes" and "fat cats"? -------------------- ----------------- Yes. Been proved time and time again that they "look after their own". . I would say I'm more a floating voter than a "leftie". The tories have just not done enough to convince me they could form a credible government. It's all too wishy-washy, full of soundbites and people like Cameron and his chums remind me of "middle management" that talk a good job, but don't actually do a good job. The Hammer
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12:26pm Tue 6 Apr 10

southy says...

Condor Man wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote:
Why do you lefties here think the Tories are only about "upper classes" and "fat cats"? They are about hard working people getting rewarded for their efforts, not relying on the State to run their lives for them. And for any Conservatives here, I would recommend you check out UKIP - some good policies that would do the country no end of good.
UKIP is a wasted vote, must not allow Brown to wreck this country any further.

On the class debate John Denham is a lot more middle class than Royston Smith- the latter has worked hard to get where he has whereas the former has been a lot more fortunate.
you are right about UKIP they do have a bit to offer, and the that is the VOTE on the EU, some thing the left is offering also, the rest of UKIP policies is the same has labour, tory, liberals, bnp, greens there is no real difference between the lot of them, its a cash who will make the biggest cuts, who will push up the unemployment even higher, who will push us deeper into recession, who will cause more poverty, who will cause more homeless, well the torys and bnp will be at the top of the list to cause more damage.

has for condor saying demham is more middle class he probley right there, but smith is closer to being a upper off class, none of the top partys represent the ordinary people any more, you got to look at the smaller partys for that, and the only ones out there is the TUSC they are made up from your ordinary people, it is a party made from the ordinary people, run by ordinary people, and for the ordinary people.
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: Why do you lefties here think the Tories are only about "upper classes" and "fat cats"? They are about hard working people getting rewarded for their efforts, not relying on the State to run their lives for them. And for any Conservatives here, I would recommend you check out UKIP - some good policies that would do the country no end of good.[/p][/quote]UKIP is a wasted vote, must not allow Brown to wreck this country any further. On the class debate John Denham is a lot more middle class than Royston Smith- the latter has worked hard to get where he has whereas the former has been a lot more fortunate.[/p][/quote]you are right about UKIP they do have a bit to offer, and the that is the VOTE on the EU, some thing the left is offering also, the rest of UKIP policies is the same has labour, tory, liberals, bnp, greens there is no real difference between the lot of them, its a cash who will make the biggest cuts, who will push up the unemployment even higher, who will push us deeper into recession, who will cause more poverty, who will cause more homeless, well the torys and bnp will be at the top of the list to cause more damage. has for condor saying demham is more middle class he probley right there, but smith is closer to being a upper off class, none of the top partys represent the ordinary people any more, you got to look at the smaller partys for that, and the only ones out there is the TUSC they are made up from your ordinary people, it is a party made from the ordinary people, run by ordinary people, and for the ordinary people. southy
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12:37pm Tue 6 Apr 10

joenice says...

See you later labour, not just a waste of time but a load of rubbish. Never want to see Labour ever again its between Lib Dem and Tory for me but think Tory may get it.
See you later labour, not just a waste of time but a load of rubbish. Never want to see Labour ever again its between Lib Dem and Tory for me but think Tory may get it. joenice
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12:39pm Tue 6 Apr 10

southy says...

cash = case

Here's a promise that TUSC have made. And will keep.
They will not claim expenses or allowances, If elected into Parliament has your M.P. They will live on the ordinary people wage, And any thing left over will be giving to a cause.
mp.s earn way to much, there earning could easy pay for all there expenses and allowance, and to employ some one to help out with the work.
cash = case Here's a promise that TUSC have made. And will keep. They will not claim expenses or allowances, If elected into Parliament has your M.P. They will live on the ordinary people wage, And any thing left over will be giving to a cause. mp.s earn way to much, there earning could easy pay for all there expenses and allowance, and to employ some one to help out with the work. southy
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12:43pm Tue 6 Apr 10

southy says...

joenice wrote:
See you later labour, not just a waste of time but a load of rubbish. Never want to see Labour ever again its between Lib Dem and Tory for me but think Tory may get it.
the biggest problem is they are all right wing, and the lesser of the evils is labour, the biggest of the evils is torys.
so where do that leave the ordinary people, between the devils and the deep blue sea
[quote][p][bold]joenice[/bold] wrote: See you later labour, not just a waste of time but a load of rubbish. Never want to see Labour ever again its between Lib Dem and Tory for me but think Tory may get it.[/p][/quote]the biggest problem is they are all right wing, and the lesser of the evils is labour, the biggest of the evils is torys. so where do that leave the ordinary people, between the devils and the deep blue sea southy
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1:00pm Tue 6 Apr 10

Adrian Smith says...

southy wrote:
cash = case Here's a promise that TUSC have made. And will keep. They will not claim expenses or allowances, If elected into Parliament has your M.P. They will live on the ordinary people wage, And any thing left over will be giving to a cause. mp.s earn way to much, there earning could easy pay for all there expenses and allowance, and to employ some one to help out with the work.
Southy, their website is silent on the bit about expenses, allowances and their wages. Perhaps you have some inside information but their polices page excludes this stuff. Strange that.

They do talk about global warming (is that still based upon fact?), ending child povety (the neverending story), no Lisbon Treaty (too late surely) and a hundred other socialist wet-dreams.

Nice try.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: cash = case Here's a promise that TUSC have made. And will keep. They will not claim expenses or allowances, If elected into Parliament has your M.P. They will live on the ordinary people wage, And any thing left over will be giving to a cause. mp.s earn way to much, there earning could easy pay for all there expenses and allowance, and to employ some one to help out with the work.[/p][/quote]Southy, their website is silent on the bit about expenses, allowances and their wages. Perhaps you have some inside information but their polices page excludes this stuff. Strange that. They do talk about global warming (is that still based upon fact?), ending child povety (the neverending story), no Lisbon Treaty (too late surely) and a hundred other socialist wet-dreams. Nice try. Adrian Smith
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1:06pm Tue 6 Apr 10

Mr Ellis says...

The Hammer wrote:
Why do you lefties here think the Tories are only about "upper classes" and "fat cats"? -------------------- ----------------- Yes. Been proved time and time again that they "look after their own". . I would say I'm more a floating voter than a "leftie". The tories have just not done enough to convince me they could form a credible government. It's all too wishy-washy, full of soundbites and people like Cameron and his chums remind me of "middle management" that talk a good job, but don't actually do a good job.
Well, Gordon doesn't even talk a good job. Labour don't "look after their own"? That's what they were formed to do. But now they are not needed, as the country now has fair employment laws - well, fair to the workers, anyway. Not really fair to the employers who have to wade through red tape and can't get rid of under-performing employees.
[quote][p][bold]The Hammer[/bold] wrote: Why do you lefties here think the Tories are only about "upper classes" and "fat cats"? -------------------- ----------------- Yes. Been proved time and time again that they "look after their own". . I would say I'm more a floating voter than a "leftie". The tories have just not done enough to convince me they could form a credible government. It's all too wishy-washy, full of soundbites and people like Cameron and his chums remind me of "middle management" that talk a good job, but don't actually do a good job.[/p][/quote]Well, Gordon doesn't even talk a good job. Labour don't "look after their own"? That's what they were formed to do. But now they are not needed, as the country now has fair employment laws - well, fair to the workers, anyway. Not really fair to the employers who have to wade through red tape and can't get rid of under-performing employees. Mr Ellis
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1:10pm Tue 6 Apr 10

Shoong says...

I just cannot see how the Labour party are re-electable.
I just cannot see how the Labour party are re-electable. Shoong
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1:11pm Tue 6 Apr 10

DCM says...

Adrian Smith wrote:
Gidley fails to get our three votes for her stance on the Police operation in Chandlers Ford a few years ago - remember that? The IPCC have still to publish their report, delayed because an inquest has still not taken place (their email to me 20/11/2009). Is this deliberately being delayed until after the election? She was soft on criminals, hell bent on endangering the lives of bank workers and the public, plus those Police officers there to defend us.
The idea that Sandra Gidley has the power to stop the IPCC publishing their report before the election is just laughable.
[quote][p][bold]Adrian Smith[/bold] wrote: Gidley fails to get our three votes for her stance on the Police operation in Chandlers Ford a few years ago - remember that? The IPCC have still to publish their report, delayed because an inquest has still not taken place (their email to me 20/11/2009). Is this deliberately being delayed until after the election? She was soft on criminals, hell bent on endangering the lives of bank workers and the public, plus those Police officers there to defend us.[/p][/quote]The idea that Sandra Gidley has the power to stop the IPCC publishing their report before the election is just laughable. DCM
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1:20pm Tue 6 Apr 10

Adrian Smith says...

DCM wrote:
Adrian Smith wrote: Gidley fails to get our three votes for her stance on the Police operation in Chandlers Ford a few years ago - remember that? The IPCC have still to publish their report, delayed because an inquest has still not taken place (their email to me 20/11/2009). Is this deliberately being delayed until after the election? She was soft on criminals, hell bent on endangering the lives of bank workers and the public, plus those Police officers there to defend us.
The idea that Sandra Gidley has the power to stop the IPCC publishing their report before the election is just laughable.
That isn't what I wrote - I wrote that the inquest is holding up the IPCC publishing their report. Why? Her letter to me last year made it clear she will not comment further until after the IPCC report. She wasted no time commenting on the incident itself the same day without waiting for the blood to dry! Nothing surprises me about our corrupt elected representatives, legal system and civil service which now bends over to support them.
[quote][p][bold]DCM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adrian Smith[/bold] wrote: Gidley fails to get our three votes for her stance on the Police operation in Chandlers Ford a few years ago - remember that? The IPCC have still to publish their report, delayed because an inquest has still not taken place (their email to me 20/11/2009). Is this deliberately being delayed until after the election? She was soft on criminals, hell bent on endangering the lives of bank workers and the public, plus those Police officers there to defend us.[/p][/quote]The idea that Sandra Gidley has the power to stop the IPCC publishing their report before the election is just laughable.[/p][/quote]That isn't what I wrote - I wrote that the inquest is holding up the IPCC publishing their report. Why? Her letter to me last year made it clear she will not comment further until after the IPCC report. She wasted no time commenting on the incident itself the same day without waiting for the blood to dry! Nothing surprises me about our corrupt elected representatives, legal system and civil service which now bends over to support them. Adrian Smith
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1:37pm Tue 6 Apr 10

espanuel says...

I thought Labour was for the WORKING MAN AND THOSE WHO DONT WORK,but it seems they are for themselves. They havn't done me any favours or anybody else nor will the tories, they will promises everything and give nothing but line there own pockets. And that goes for all parties.
I thought Labour was for the WORKING MAN AND THOSE WHO DONT WORK,but it seems they are for themselves. They havn't done me any favours or anybody else nor will the tories, they will promises everything and give nothing but line there own pockets. And that goes for all parties. espanuel
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1:37pm Tue 6 Apr 10

southy says...

Adrian Smith wrote:
southy wrote:
cash = case Here's a promise that TUSC have made. And will keep. They will not claim expenses or allowances, If elected into Parliament has your M.P. They will live on the ordinary people wage, And any thing left over will be giving to a cause. mp.s earn way to much, there earning could easy pay for all there expenses and allowance, and to employ some one to help out with the work.
Southy, their website is silent on the bit about expenses, allowances and their wages. Perhaps you have some inside information but their polices page excludes this stuff. Strange that.

They do talk about global warming (is that still based upon fact?), ending child povety (the neverending story), no Lisbon Treaty (too late surely) and a hundred other socialist wet-dreams.

Nice try.
nice try is right how about if you read it all, try reading there manifest, they are the only party offering to live on the working mans wage, they are the only ones that will not claim expenses and allowances.
this part is a cut and paste from there web site.
"Here's a promise that TUSC have made. And will keep. They will not claim expenses or allowances, If elected into Parliament has your M.P."
saying no to the lisbon treaty is never to late, we was promise a vote on it, part of the conditions was that all EU country's would have the vote on the lisbon treaty.
and its never ever to late to vote on weather if we stay in the EU or not.
global warming is fact and is cause though nature and not man made thats the green party that saying its man made. and if you read what the the TUSC is saying, they are not really talking about global warming they are on about green jobs, whitch is different. after all it dont hurt to live in a cleaner environment mainly the air that you breath in
[quote][p][bold]Adrian Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: cash = case Here's a promise that TUSC have made. And will keep. They will not claim expenses or allowances, If elected into Parliament has your M.P. They will live on the ordinary people wage, And any thing left over will be giving to a cause. mp.s earn way to much, there earning could easy pay for all there expenses and allowance, and to employ some one to help out with the work.[/p][/quote]Southy, their website is silent on the bit about expenses, allowances and their wages. Perhaps you have some inside information but their polices page excludes this stuff. Strange that. They do talk about global warming (is that still based upon fact?), ending child povety (the neverending story), no Lisbon Treaty (too late surely) and a hundred other socialist wet-dreams. Nice try.[/p][/quote]nice try is right how about if you read it all, try reading there manifest, they are the only party offering to live on the working mans wage, they are the only ones that will not claim expenses and allowances. this part is a cut and paste from there web site. "Here's a promise that TUSC have made. And will keep. They will not claim expenses or allowances, If elected into Parliament has your M.P." saying no to the lisbon treaty is never to late, we was promise a vote on it, part of the conditions was that all EU country's would have the vote on the lisbon treaty. and its never ever to late to vote on weather if we stay in the EU or not. global warming is fact and is cause though nature and not man made thats the green party that saying its man made. and if you read what the the TUSC is saying, they are not really talking about global warming they are on about green jobs, whitch is different. after all it dont hurt to live in a cleaner environment mainly the air that you breath in southy
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1:40pm Tue 6 Apr 10

freefinker says...

Mr Ellis wrote:
freefinker wrote:
The Hammer wrote: So once again, we will end up having to choose between parties that have next to no difference in their policies. For MP's who abuse their position to feather their own nest. For a system that gets less and less legislation through due to the large amount of time that Parliament is on holiday. For Party leaders with zero charisma. . Is it really worth it? Perhaps a record low turnout will send a bigger message, although that does have a danger of letting the loony fringe parties in like the BNP and Greens.
Please don't tag the BNP as "loony". Some of my best friends are a bit loony but none support this bunch of evil fascists. Sinister would be a more appropriate adjective. . And lumping the Green’s in with the BNP is uncalled for. Just because most people have their heads buried in the sand over the global consequences of our profligate lifestyles does not call for a shoot the messenger attitude to the few who highlight potential solutions to what is our planet’s most pressing issue.
And you think ruining our economy in the slim hope that you can "save the planet" is a good idea? The Green Party's policies are close to where southy sits, and will do no end of harm to our economy and way of life. Unfortunately they pull people in with their environmental policies, and the lemmings are too blind to look any further.
Mr Ellis, I believe the saying is fiddling while Rome burns.
If you seriously think you will be able to stop "harm to our economy and way of life" by voting for southy's socialists, NuLabour, LimpDems, BlueLabour or UKIP you are more seriously deluded than I previously thought.
None of them are at all interested in any issue with a horizon of more than a few years. They don’t care about the legacy we will leave to future generations by our uncontrolled and unsustainable exploitation of the planet’s finite resources.
In fact, they all promote policies that encourage an ever faster road to the environmental disaster that is becoming increasingly inevitable with every year that we fail to take planetary action.
As climate change and uncontrolled population growth bring ever increasing pressures on the “business as usual” economic world model, the petty squabbling of our current visionless politicians is truly pathetic.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hammer[/bold] wrote: So once again, we will end up having to choose between parties that have next to no difference in their policies. For MP's who abuse their position to feather their own nest. For a system that gets less and less legislation through due to the large amount of time that Parliament is on holiday. For Party leaders with zero charisma. . Is it really worth it? Perhaps a record low turnout will send a bigger message, although that does have a danger of letting the loony fringe parties in like the BNP and Greens.[/p][/quote]Please don't tag the BNP as "loony". Some of my best friends are a bit loony but none support this bunch of evil fascists. Sinister would be a more appropriate adjective. . And lumping the Green’s in with the BNP is uncalled for. Just because most people have their heads buried in the sand over the global consequences of our profligate lifestyles does not call for a shoot the messenger attitude to the few who highlight potential solutions to what is our planet’s most pressing issue.[/p][/quote]And you think ruining our economy in the slim hope that you can "save the planet" is a good idea? The Green Party's policies are close to where southy sits, and will do no end of harm to our economy and way of life. Unfortunately they pull people in with their environmental policies, and the lemmings are too blind to look any further.[/p][/quote]Mr Ellis, I believe the saying is fiddling while Rome burns. If you seriously think you will be able to stop "harm to our economy and way of life" by voting for southy's socialists, NuLabour, LimpDems, BlueLabour or UKIP you are more seriously deluded than I previously thought. None of them are at all interested in any issue with a horizon of more than a few years. They don’t care about the legacy we will leave to future generations by our uncontrolled and unsustainable exploitation of the planet’s finite resources. In fact, they all promote policies that encourage an ever faster road to the environmental disaster that is becoming increasingly inevitable with every year that we fail to take planetary action. As climate change and uncontrolled population growth bring ever increasing pressures on the “business as usual” economic world model, the petty squabbling of our current visionless politicians is truly pathetic. freefinker
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1:49pm Tue 6 Apr 10

southy says...

Mr Ellis wrote:
The Hammer wrote:
Why do you lefties here think the Tories are only about "upper classes" and "fat cats"? -------------------- ----------------- Yes. Been proved time and time again that they "look after their own". . I would say I'm more a floating voter than a "leftie". The tories have just not done enough to convince me they could form a credible government. It's all too wishy-washy, full of soundbites and people like Cameron and his chums remind me of "middle management" that talk a good job, but don't actually do a good job.
Well, Gordon doesn't even talk a good job. Labour don't "look after their own"? That's what they were formed to do. But now they are not needed, as the country now has fair employment laws - well, fair to the workers, anyway. Not really fair to the employers who have to wade through red tape and can't get rid of under-performing employees.
your right about labour not looking the people they should do. they stop doing that back in the 80's. but they are the lesser of the evils out of the big three partys.
fair employment laws if you are a boss, unfair if you are the worker making that boss rich, every thing is stack up in the bosses favour and has been for 25 years.
eg bosses will not employ people that belongs to a union, the anti-trade union laws, paid slave workers. longer working hours.
and what this red tape its been made easyer for the bosses to get rid of people, but they still complain that they got to do a bit of paper work, how lazy can they get, they will not be happy till they get some thing for nothing has per norm.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hammer[/bold] wrote: Why do you lefties here think the Tories are only about "upper classes" and "fat cats"? -------------------- ----------------- Yes. Been proved time and time again that they "look after their own". . I would say I'm more a floating voter than a "leftie". The tories have just not done enough to convince me they could form a credible government. It's all too wishy-washy, full of soundbites and people like Cameron and his chums remind me of "middle management" that talk a good job, but don't actually do a good job.[/p][/quote]Well, Gordon doesn't even talk a good job. Labour don't "look after their own"? That's what they were formed to do. But now they are not needed, as the country now has fair employment laws - well, fair to the workers, anyway. Not really fair to the employers who have to wade through red tape and can't get rid of under-performing employees.[/p][/quote]your right about labour not looking the people they should do. they stop doing that back in the 80's. but they are the lesser of the evils out of the big three partys. fair employment laws if you are a boss, unfair if you are the worker making that boss rich, every thing is stack up in the bosses favour and has been for 25 years. eg bosses will not employ people that belongs to a union, the anti-trade union laws, paid slave workers. longer working hours. and what this red tape its been made easyer for the bosses to get rid of people, but they still complain that they got to do a bit of paper work, how lazy can they get, they will not be happy till they get some thing for nothing has per norm. southy
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1:52pm Tue 6 Apr 10

clausentum says...

The Hammer wrote:
So once again, we will end up having to choose between parties that have next to no difference in their policies. For MP's who abuse their position to feather their own nest. For a system that gets less and less legislation through due to the large amount of time that Parliament is on holiday. For Party leaders with zero charisma.
.
Is it really worth it? Perhaps a record low turnout will send a bigger message, although that does have a danger of letting the loony fringe parties in like the BNP and Greens.
Politics always gravitates towards the center to maintain a sense of security for those who really run the Country - the bankers and others in The City and their Ruling Elite mates. Politicians merely indulge in swagger and puffed-up, talking-shop, hot air . They have no real power. The voting system is a sham. It simply results in slight shifting of chairs, because the power-house boys in The City ensure continuity of their power-base.
[quote][p][bold]The Hammer[/bold] wrote: So once again, we will end up having to choose between parties that have next to no difference in their policies. For MP's who abuse their position to feather their own nest. For a system that gets less and less legislation through due to the large amount of time that Parliament is on holiday. For Party leaders with zero charisma. . Is it really worth it? Perhaps a record low turnout will send a bigger message, although that does have a danger of letting the loony fringe parties in like the BNP and Greens.[/p][/quote]Politics always gravitates towards the center to maintain a sense of security for those who really run the Country - the bankers and others in The City and their Ruling Elite mates. Politicians merely indulge in swagger and puffed-up, talking-shop, hot air . They have no real power. The voting system is a sham. It simply results in slight shifting of chairs, because the power-house boys in The City ensure continuity of their power-base. clausentum
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2:00pm Tue 6 Apr 10

Mr Ellis says...

freefinker wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote:
freefinker wrote:
The Hammer wrote: So once again, we will end up having to choose between parties that have next to no difference in their policies. For MP's who abuse their position to feather their own nest. For a system that gets less and less legislation through due to the large amount of time that Parliament is on holiday. For Party leaders with zero charisma. . Is it really worth it? Perhaps a record low turnout will send a bigger message, although that does have a danger of letting the loony fringe parties in like the BNP and Greens.
Please don't tag the BNP as "loony". Some of my best friends are a bit loony but none support this bunch of evil fascists. Sinister would be a more appropriate adjective. . And lumping the Green’s in with the BNP is uncalled for. Just because most people have their heads buried in the sand over the global consequences of our profligate lifestyles does not call for a shoot the messenger attitude to the few who highlight potential solutions to what is our planet’s most pressing issue.
And you think ruining our economy in the slim hope that you can "save the planet" is a good idea? The Green Party's policies are close to where southy sits, and will do no end of harm to our economy and way of life. Unfortunately they pull people in with their environmental policies, and the lemmings are too blind to look any further.
Mr Ellis, I believe the saying is fiddling while Rome burns. If you seriously think you will be able to stop "harm to our economy and way of life" by voting for southy's socialists, NuLabour, LimpDems, BlueLabour or UKIP you are more seriously deluded than I previously thought. None of them are at all interested in any issue with a horizon of more than a few years. They don’t care about the legacy we will leave to future generations by our uncontrolled and unsustainable exploitation of the planet’s finite resources. In fact, they all promote policies that encourage an ever faster road to the environmental disaster that is becoming increasingly inevitable with every year that we fail to take planetary action. As climate change and uncontrolled population growth bring ever increasing pressures on the “business as usual” economic world model, the petty squabbling of our current visionless politicians is truly pathetic.
I don't want my country ruined just so that you can fight against something that isn't man made and can't be controlled by our actions. I want a safe and secure country for my children. "Climate change" is just a political myth aimed at controlling the population. It's time we took the issue back and stopped being controlled by special interest groups whose funds are dependent on this scare mongering.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hammer[/bold] wrote: So once again, we will end up having to choose between parties that have next to no difference in their policies. For MP's who abuse their position to feather their own nest. For a system that gets less and less legislation through due to the large amount of time that Parliament is on holiday. For Party leaders with zero charisma. . Is it really worth it? Perhaps a record low turnout will send a bigger message, although that does have a danger of letting the loony fringe parties in like the BNP and Greens.[/p][/quote]Please don't tag the BNP as "loony". Some of my best friends are a bit loony but none support this bunch of evil fascists. Sinister would be a more appropriate adjective. . And lumping the Green’s in with the BNP is uncalled for. Just because most people have their heads buried in the sand over the global consequences of our profligate lifestyles does not call for a shoot the messenger attitude to the few who highlight potential solutions to what is our planet’s most pressing issue.[/p][/quote]And you think ruining our economy in the slim hope that you can "save the planet" is a good idea? The Green Party's policies are close to where southy sits, and will do no end of harm to our economy and way of life. Unfortunately they pull people in with their environmental policies, and the lemmings are too blind to look any further.[/p][/quote]Mr Ellis, I believe the saying is fiddling while Rome burns. If you seriously think you will be able to stop "harm to our economy and way of life" by voting for southy's socialists, NuLabour, LimpDems, BlueLabour or UKIP you are more seriously deluded than I previously thought. None of them are at all interested in any issue with a horizon of more than a few years. They don’t care about the legacy we will leave to future generations by our uncontrolled and unsustainable exploitation of the planet’s finite resources. In fact, they all promote policies that encourage an ever faster road to the environmental disaster that is becoming increasingly inevitable with every year that we fail to take planetary action. As climate change and uncontrolled population growth bring ever increasing pressures on the “business as usual” economic world model, the petty squabbling of our current visionless politicians is truly pathetic.[/p][/quote]I don't want my country ruined just so that you can fight against something that isn't man made and can't be controlled by our actions. I want a safe and secure country for my children. "Climate change" is just a political myth aimed at controlling the population. It's time we took the issue back and stopped being controlled by special interest groups whose funds are dependent on this scare mongering. Mr Ellis
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2:16pm Tue 6 Apr 10

freefinker says...

Mr Ellis wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote:
freefinker wrote:
The Hammer wrote: So once again, we will end up having to choose between parties that have next to no difference in their policies. For MP's who abuse their position to feather their own nest. For a system that gets less and less legislation through due to the large amount of time that Parliament is on holiday. For Party leaders with zero charisma. . Is it really worth it? Perhaps a record low turnout will send a bigger message, although that does have a danger of letting the loony fringe parties in like the BNP and Greens.
Please don't tag the BNP as "loony". Some of my best friends are a bit loony but none support this bunch of evil fascists. Sinister would be a more appropriate adjective. . And lumping the Green’s in with the BNP is uncalled for. Just because most people have their heads buried in the sand over the global consequences of our profligate lifestyles does not call for a shoot the messenger attitude to the few who highlight potential solutions to what is our planet’s most pressing issue.
And you think ruining our economy in the slim hope that you can "save the planet" is a good idea? The Green Party's policies are close to where southy sits, and will do no end of harm to our economy and way of life. Unfortunately they pull people in with their environmental policies, and the lemmings are too blind to look any further.
Mr Ellis, I believe the saying is fiddling while Rome burns. If you seriously think you will be able to stop "harm to our economy and way of life" by voting for southy's socialists, NuLabour, LimpDems, BlueLabour or UKIP you are more seriously deluded than I previously thought. None of them are at all interested in any issue with a horizon of more than a few years. They don’t care about the legacy we will leave to future generations by our uncontrolled and unsustainable exploitation of the planet’s finite resources. In fact, they all promote policies that encourage an ever faster road to the environmental disaster that is becoming increasingly inevitable with every year that we fail to take planetary action. As climate change and uncontrolled population growth bring ever increasing pressures on the “business as usual” economic world model, the petty squabbling of our current visionless politicians is truly pathetic.
I don't want my country ruined just so that you can fight against something that isn't man made and can't be controlled by our actions. I want a safe and secure country for my children. "Climate change" is just a political myth aimed at controlling the population. It's time we took the issue back and stopped being controlled by special interest groups whose funds are dependent on this scare mongering.
1) head deeply in the sand, check
2) eyes firmly closed, check
3) ignore basic science, check
4) disaster averted.
.
Didn't know it's so easy Mr Ellis.
You’re a genius.
I take back all I have said.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hammer[/bold] wrote: So once again, we will end up having to choose between parties that have next to no difference in their policies. For MP's who abuse their position to feather their own nest. For a system that gets less and less legislation through due to the large amount of time that Parliament is on holiday. For Party leaders with zero charisma. . Is it really worth it? Perhaps a record low turnout will send a bigger message, although that does have a danger of letting the loony fringe parties in like the BNP and Greens.[/p][/quote]Please don't tag the BNP as "loony". Some of my best friends are a bit loony but none support this bunch of evil fascists. Sinister would be a more appropriate adjective. . And lumping the Green’s in with the BNP is uncalled for. Just because most people have their heads buried in the sand over the global consequences of our profligate lifestyles does not call for a shoot the messenger attitude to the few who highlight potential solutions to what is our planet’s most pressing issue.[/p][/quote]And you think ruining our economy in the slim hope that you can "save the planet" is a good idea? The Green Party's policies are close to where southy sits, and will do no end of harm to our economy and way of life. Unfortunately they pull people in with their environmental policies, and the lemmings are too blind to look any further.[/p][/quote]Mr Ellis, I believe the saying is fiddling while Rome burns. If you seriously think you will be able to stop "harm to our economy and way of life" by voting for southy's socialists, NuLabour, LimpDems, BlueLabour or UKIP you are more seriously deluded than I previously thought. None of them are at all interested in any issue with a horizon of more than a few years. They don’t care about the legacy we will leave to future generations by our uncontrolled and unsustainable exploitation of the planet’s finite resources. In fact, they all promote policies that encourage an ever faster road to the environmental disaster that is becoming increasingly inevitable with every year that we fail to take planetary action. As climate change and uncontrolled population growth bring ever increasing pressures on the “business as usual” economic world model, the petty squabbling of our current visionless politicians is truly pathetic.[/p][/quote]I don't want my country ruined just so that you can fight against something that isn't man made and can't be controlled by our actions. I want a safe and secure country for my children. "Climate change" is just a political myth aimed at controlling the population. It's time we took the issue back and stopped being controlled by special interest groups whose funds are dependent on this scare mongering.[/p][/quote]1) head deeply in the sand, check 2) eyes firmly closed, check 3) ignore basic science, check 4) disaster averted. . Didn't know it's so easy Mr Ellis. You’re a genius. I take back all I have said. freefinker
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2:19pm Tue 6 Apr 10

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote:
freefinker wrote:
The Hammer wrote: So once again, we will end up having to choose between parties that have next to no difference in their policies. For MP's who abuse their position to feather their own nest. For a system that gets less and less legislation through due to the large amount of time that Parliament is on holiday. For Party leaders with zero charisma. . Is it really worth it? Perhaps a record low turnout will send a bigger message, although that does have a danger of letting the loony fringe parties in like the BNP and Greens.
Please don't tag the BNP as "loony". Some of my best friends are a bit loony but none support this bunch of evil fascists. Sinister would be a more appropriate adjective. . And lumping the Green’s in with the BNP is uncalled for. Just because most people have their heads buried in the sand over the global consequences of our profligate lifestyles does not call for a shoot the messenger attitude to the few who highlight potential solutions to what is our planet’s most pressing issue.
And you think ruining our economy in the slim hope that you can "save the planet" is a good idea? The Green Party's policies are close to where southy sits, and will do no end of harm to our economy and way of life. Unfortunately they pull people in with their environmental policies, and the lemmings are too blind to look any further.
Mr Ellis, I believe the saying is fiddling while Rome burns.
If you seriously think you will be able to stop "harm to our economy and way of life" by voting for southy's socialists, NuLabour, LimpDems, BlueLabour or UKIP you are more seriously deluded than I previously thought.
None of them are at all interested in any issue with a horizon of more than a few years. They don’t care about the legacy we will leave to future generations by our uncontrolled and unsustainable exploitation of the planet’s finite resources.
In fact, they all promote policies that encourage an ever faster road to the environmental disaster that is becoming increasingly inevitable with every year that we fail to take planetary action.
As climate change and uncontrolled population growth bring ever increasing pressures on the “business as usual” economic world model, the petty squabbling of our current visionless politicians is truly pathetic.
young mr ellis the green party are right wing party not left wing, unless you are talking about the socialist green party (SGP). whitch is a very small party and are not putting up any one in this election.
and freefinker your wrong about the socialist they are the only ones thats looks at long term policys, all your right wing partys look at the short term and only sticks a sticky paster on the problem and hope it will go away.
the population is growing that is right we are only about less than 1/4 of what the world can take, climate change is natural theres nothing we can do to change it. but we can improve our environment that we live in that will not hurt any one just improve there standard of health.
right wing politics aka capitalist, has gone has far has it can do and has stop evolving, and when some thing becomes stuck in evolution it becomes extinct but it will not go quietly like it should and let some thing else take over, no its content on destroying every thing it can first.
socialism is still evolving and is your next stage in the political evolution ladder, and is the way forward, its about sharing and not just in one country but every single one, but even socialism will have its day and must hand over the powers of the political evolution to the next one in line in the ladder, nothing lasts for ever, every thing must come to a end at some stage even this planet will end one day
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Hammer[/bold] wrote: So once again, we will end up having to choose between parties that have next to no difference in their policies. For MP's who abuse their position to feather their own nest. For a system that gets less and less legislation through due to the large amount of time that Parliament is on holiday. For Party leaders with zero charisma. . Is it really worth it? Perhaps a record low turnout will send a bigger message, although that does have a danger of letting the loony fringe parties in like the BNP and Greens.[/p][/quote]Please don't tag the BNP as "loony". Some of my best friends are a bit loony but none support this bunch of evil fascists. Sinister would be a more appropriate adjective. . And lumping the Green’s in with the BNP is uncalled for. Just because most people have their heads buried in the sand over the global consequences of our profligate lifestyles does not call for a shoot the messenger attitude to the few who highlight potential solutions to what is our planet’s most pressing issue.[/p][/quote]And you think ruining our economy in the slim hope that you can "save the planet" is a good idea? The Green Party's policies are close to where southy sits, and will do no end of harm to our economy and way of life. Unfortunately they pull people in with their environmental policies, and the lemmings are too blind to look any further.[/p][/quote]Mr Ellis, I believe the saying is fiddling while Rome burns. If you seriously think you will be able to stop "harm to our economy and way of life" by voting for southy's socialists, NuLabour, LimpDems, BlueLabour or UKIP you are more seriously deluded than I previously thought. None of them are at all interested in any issue with a horizon of more than a few years. They don’t care about the legacy we will leave to future generations by our uncontrolled and unsustainable exploitation of the planet’s finite resources. In fact, they all promote policies that encourage an ever faster road to the environmental disaster that is becoming increasingly inevitable with every year that we fail to take planetary action. As climate change and uncontrolled population growth bring ever increasing pressures on the “business as usual” economic world model, the petty squabbling of our current visionless politicians is truly pathetic.[/p][/quote]young mr ellis the green party are right wing party not left wing, unless you are talking about the socialist green party (SGP). whitch is a very small party and are not putting up any one in this election. and freefinker your wrong about the socialist they are the only ones thats looks at long term policys, all your right wing partys look at the short term and only sticks a sticky paster on the problem and hope it will go away. the population is growing that is right we are only about less than 1/4 of what the world can take, climate change is natural theres nothing we can do to change it. but we can improve our environment that we live in that will not hurt any one just improve there standard of health. right wing politics aka capitalist, has gone has far has it can do and has stop evolving, and when some thing becomes stuck in evolution it becomes extinct but it will not go quietly like it should and let some thing else take over, no its content on destroying every thing it can first. socialism is still evolving and is your next stage in the political evolution ladder, and is the way forward, its about sharing and not just in one country but every single one, but even socialism will have its day and must hand over the powers of the political evolution to the next one in line in the ladder, nothing lasts for ever, every thing must come to a end at some stage even this planet will end one day southy
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2:22pm Tue 6 Apr 10

Mr Ellis says...

freefinker, this isn't the forum to debate AGW. All I would say is that I could turn the same arguement on you, with the exception of 4). There really will be a disaster if the scare mongers get their way.
freefinker, this isn't the forum to debate AGW. All I would say is that I could turn the same arguement on you, with the exception of 4). There really will be a disaster if the scare mongers get their way. Mr Ellis
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2:54pm Tue 6 Apr 10

freefinker says...

Mr Ellis wrote:
freefinker, this isn't the forum to debate AGW. All I would say is that I could turn the same arguement on you, with the exception of 4). There really will be a disaster if the scare mongers get their way.
So, you just can't face up to the fact our species is having a profound and detrimental effect on the climate. It’s what I would have expected of you.
All the scientists are lying, all the data is false. And, of course, with your profound knowledge of the sciences you are able to demonstrate all the flaws in this horrendous conspiracy. Tell us, what are they all conspiring to achieve? And why?
Almost everything we will hear between now and 6 May is a total irrelevance to the real issues this planet has to tackle. That’s why this IS the forum to present these issues, rather than the verbal froth emanating from the mouths of politicians and their fellow travellers.
.
S/W "grow-cash" - the money tree all politicians think is real.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: freefinker, this isn't the forum to debate AGW. All I would say is that I could turn the same arguement on you, with the exception of 4). There really will be a disaster if the scare mongers get their way.[/p][/quote]So, you just can't face up to the fact our species is having a profound and detrimental effect on the climate. It’s what I would have expected of you. All the scientists are lying, all the data is false. And, of course, with your profound knowledge of the sciences you are able to demonstrate all the flaws in this horrendous conspiracy. Tell us, what are they all conspiring to achieve? And why? Almost everything we will hear between now and 6 May is a total irrelevance to the real issues this planet has to tackle. That’s why this IS the forum to present these issues, rather than the verbal froth emanating from the mouths of politicians and their fellow travellers. . S/W "grow-cash" - the money tree all politicians think is real. freefinker
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3:00pm Tue 6 Apr 10

Mr Ellis says...

freefinker wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote: freefinker, this isn't the forum to debate AGW. All I would say is that I could turn the same arguement on you, with the exception of 4). There really will be a disaster if the scare mongers get their way.
So, you just can't face up to the fact our species is having a profound and detrimental effect on the climate. It’s what I would have expected of you. All the scientists are lying, all the data is false. And, of course, with your profound knowledge of the sciences you are able to demonstrate all the flaws in this horrendous conspiracy. Tell us, what are they all conspiring to achieve? And why? Almost everything we will hear between now and 6 May is a total irrelevance to the real issues this planet has to tackle. That’s why this IS the forum to present these issues, rather than the verbal froth emanating from the mouths of politicians and their fellow travellers. . S/W "grow-cash" - the money tree all politicians think is real.
Sorry, I didn't realise you were a scientist. You obviously have "profound knowledge" and are able to talk with authority. I bow to your superior knowledge.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: freefinker, this isn't the forum to debate AGW. All I would say is that I could turn the same arguement on you, with the exception of 4). There really will be a disaster if the scare mongers get their way.[/p][/quote]So, you just can't face up to the fact our species is having a profound and detrimental effect on the climate. It’s what I would have expected of you. All the scientists are lying, all the data is false. And, of course, with your profound knowledge of the sciences you are able to demonstrate all the flaws in this horrendous conspiracy. Tell us, what are they all conspiring to achieve? And why? Almost everything we will hear between now and 6 May is a total irrelevance to the real issues this planet has to tackle. That’s why this IS the forum to present these issues, rather than the verbal froth emanating from the mouths of politicians and their fellow travellers. . S/W "grow-cash" - the money tree all politicians think is real.[/p][/quote]Sorry, I didn't realise you were a scientist. You obviously have "profound knowledge" and are able to talk with authority. I bow to your superior knowledge. Mr Ellis
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3:09pm Tue 6 Apr 10

dave1958 says...

I had a leaflet from the Tory candidate for Test. I must admit it was a good laugh. Especially when he made claims that he saved the Civil Service Ground. Which is untrue, it was the local people who formed an action group to save it. I then had a further laugh at the end with their 20 pledges. Some of them are totally laughable.
Return of the married mans tax allowance, who was it that did away with it, good old Kenneth Clarke when he was the chancellor of the exchellor, if they do return it, what about people who are in civil partnerships will they qualify for the married persons allowance?
Who was it that did away with most of the apprenticeships in the country the Tory party under Mrs Thatcher by doing away with industry.
They attacked Alan Whitehead for using his communication allowance to communicate with his electorate, the Tory candidate said he would not do that, well he wont be able to do it next time. I asked him how much money he was paid by Micheal Ashcroft to fund his campaign.
Support for the miminum wage, why did an ex Southampton Tory MP try to get a Bill passed through the HoC to do away with it, it was stopped.
They say they will never take us into the Euro. Some of remember what Edward Heath said when we joined the European Union, within 5 years you will have the same wages and terms and conditions as people in Europe, what has happened we are the worst off, our workers are some of the most exploited in Europe, we work the longest hours, get the least amount of holidays. If it was not for the Labour Government passing legistion that meant everyone has the right to minimum of 20 days paid holiday per year.
Namely I have not had a reply to these points plus others that I made because they know that they aright. They are still the Old Tories and they are still Thatcherites, only looking after themselves they only want to look after themselves and no one else. Unfortunatley society has gone that way after have so many years of Conservative rule in this country. There are such things as communities in this country, despite what the Iron lady said, and the only way that we can start to build a society that has mutua respect for other people is to vote for a party that will support those sorts of things, which is not the Conservatives.
I had a leaflet from the Tory candidate for Test. I must admit it was a good laugh. Especially when he made claims that he saved the Civil Service Ground. Which is untrue, it was the local people who formed an action group to save it. I then had a further laugh at the end with their 20 pledges. Some of them are totally laughable. Return of the married mans tax allowance, who was it that did away with it, good old Kenneth Clarke when he was the chancellor of the exchellor, if they do return it, what about people who are in civil partnerships will they qualify for the married persons allowance? Who was it that did away with most of the apprenticeships in the country the Tory party under Mrs Thatcher by doing away with industry. They attacked Alan Whitehead for using his communication allowance to communicate with his electorate, the Tory candidate said he would not do that, well he wont be able to do it next time. I asked him how much money he was paid by Micheal Ashcroft to fund his campaign. Support for the miminum wage, why did an ex Southampton Tory MP try to get a Bill passed through the HoC to do away with it, it was stopped. They say they will never take us into the Euro. Some of remember what Edward Heath said when we joined the European Union, within 5 years you will have the same wages and terms and conditions as people in Europe, what has happened we are the worst off, our workers are some of the most exploited in Europe, we work the longest hours, get the least amount of holidays. If it was not for the Labour Government passing legistion that meant everyone has the right to minimum of 20 days paid holiday per year. Namely I have not had a reply to these points plus others that I made because they know that they aright. They are still the Old Tories and they are still Thatcherites, only looking after themselves they only want to look after themselves and no one else. Unfortunatley society has gone that way after have so many years of Conservative rule in this country. There are such things as communities in this country, despite what the Iron lady said, and the only way that we can start to build a society that has mutua respect for other people is to vote for a party that will support those sorts of things, which is not the Conservatives. dave1958
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3:16pm Tue 6 Apr 10

southy says...

Mr Ellis wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote: freefinker, this isn't the forum to debate AGW. All I would say is that I could turn the same arguement on you, with the exception of 4). There really will be a disaster if the scare mongers get their way.
So, you just can't face up to the fact our species is having a profound and detrimental effect on the climate. It’s what I would have expected of you. All the scientists are lying, all the data is false. And, of course, with your profound knowledge of the sciences you are able to demonstrate all the flaws in this horrendous conspiracy. Tell us, what are they all conspiring to achieve? And why? Almost everything we will hear between now and 6 May is a total irrelevance to the real issues this planet has to tackle. That’s why this IS the forum to present these issues, rather than the verbal froth emanating from the mouths of politicians and their fellow travellers. . S/W "grow-cash" - the money tree all politicians think is real.
Sorry, I didn't realise you were a scientist. You obviously have "profound knowledge" and are able to talk with authority. I bow to your superior knowledge.
not all freefinker the TUSC dont and they will do what they have say,
example:- (cut and paste from their web site)
Here's a promise that TUSC have made. And will keep.
They will not claim expenses or allowances, If elected into Parliament has your M.P. They will live on the ordinary people wage, And any thing left over will be giving to a cause.
there is another part dealing with creating more green jobs.
the trouble with the green party is that they are right wing and dont have a clear policy on other things. the socialist green party is a bit better but not a lot, they still need to think about what they are up to and how to go about it.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: freefinker, this isn't the forum to debate AGW. All I would say is that I could turn the same arguement on you, with the exception of 4). There really will be a disaster if the scare mongers get their way.[/p][/quote]So, you just can't face up to the fact our species is having a profound and detrimental effect on the climate. It’s what I would have expected of you. All the scientists are lying, all the data is false. And, of course, with your profound knowledge of the sciences you are able to demonstrate all the flaws in this horrendous conspiracy. Tell us, what are they all conspiring to achieve? And why? Almost everything we will hear between now and 6 May is a total irrelevance to the real issues this planet has to tackle. That’s why this IS the forum to present these issues, rather than the verbal froth emanating from the mouths of politicians and their fellow travellers. . S/W "grow-cash" - the money tree all politicians think is real.[/p][/quote]Sorry, I didn't realise you were a scientist. You obviously have "profound knowledge" and are able to talk with authority. I bow to your superior knowledge.[/p][/quote]not all freefinker the TUSC dont and they will do what they have say, example:- (cut and paste from their web site) Here's a promise that TUSC have made. And will keep. They will not claim expenses or allowances, If elected into Parliament has your M.P. They will live on the ordinary people wage, And any thing left over will be giving to a cause. there is another part dealing with creating more green jobs. the trouble with the green party is that they are right wing and dont have a clear policy on other things. the socialist green party is a bit better but not a lot, they still need to think about what they are up to and how to go about it. southy
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3:19pm Tue 6 Apr 10

RosieQ says...

Well Said
Never trust a Tory
Well Said Never trust a Tory RosieQ
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4:05pm Tue 6 Apr 10

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote: freefinker, this isn't the forum to debate AGW. All I would say is that I could turn the same arguement on you, with the exception of 4). There really will be a disaster if the scare mongers get their way.
So, you just can't face up to the fact our species is having a profound and detrimental effect on the climate. It’s what I would have expected of you. All the scientists are lying, all the data is false. And, of course, with your profound knowledge of the sciences you are able to demonstrate all the flaws in this horrendous conspiracy. Tell us, what are they all conspiring to achieve? And why? Almost everything we will hear between now and 6 May is a total irrelevance to the real issues this planet has to tackle. That’s why this IS the forum to present these issues, rather than the verbal froth emanating from the mouths of politicians and their fellow travellers. . S/W "grow-cash" - the money tree all politicians think is real.
Sorry, I didn't realise you were a scientist. You obviously have "profound knowledge" and are able to talk with authority. I bow to your superior knowledge.
not all freefinker the TUSC dont and they will do what they have say,
example:- (cut and paste from their web site)
Here's a promise that TUSC have made. And will keep.
They will not claim expenses or allowances, If elected into Parliament has your M.P. They will live on the ordinary people wage, And any thing left over will be giving to a cause.
there is another part dealing with creating more green jobs.
the trouble with the green party is that they are right wing and dont have a clear policy on other things. the socialist green party is a bit better but not a lot, they still need to think about what they are up to and how to go about it.
.. and the Peoples Front, the Popular Front, the Popular Peoples Front and the Peoples Popular Front - what relevance do any of them have?
You've seen the film southy and it’s a perfect satire of the dinosaur-left - they're all “splitters”
TUSC can make whatever promises they like as they will never have to keep any of them. Our corrupt and discredited electoral system will see to that – even if they did have a modicum of popular support.
.
In your previous post you say “climate change is natural there’s nothing we can do to change it”. Wrong, very wrong. Seems you have much in common with the dinosaur-right.
But, unless we do start to face up to human induced climate change we will indeed pass a point of no return where there will be nothing we can do. That point is rapidly approaching (if not already passed) but you won’t find any politicians taking it seriously.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: freefinker, this isn't the forum to debate AGW. All I would say is that I could turn the same arguement on you, with the exception of 4). There really will be a disaster if the scare mongers get their way.[/p][/quote]So, you just can't face up to the fact our species is having a profound and detrimental effect on the climate. It’s what I would have expected of you. All the scientists are lying, all the data is false. And, of course, with your profound knowledge of the sciences you are able to demonstrate all the flaws in this horrendous conspiracy. Tell us, what are they all conspiring to achieve? And why? Almost everything we will hear between now and 6 May is a total irrelevance to the real issues this planet has to tackle. That’s why this IS the forum to present these issues, rather than the verbal froth emanating from the mouths of politicians and their fellow travellers. . S/W "grow-cash" - the money tree all politicians think is real.[/p][/quote]Sorry, I didn't realise you were a scientist. You obviously have "profound knowledge" and are able to talk with authority. I bow to your superior knowledge.[/p][/quote]not all freefinker the TUSC dont and they will do what they have say, example:- (cut and paste from their web site) Here's a promise that TUSC have made. And will keep. They will not claim expenses or allowances, If elected into Parliament has your M.P. They will live on the ordinary people wage, And any thing left over will be giving to a cause. there is another part dealing with creating more green jobs. the trouble with the green party is that they are right wing and dont have a clear policy on other things. the socialist green party is a bit better but not a lot, they still need to think about what they are up to and how to go about it.[/p][/quote].. and the Peoples Front, the Popular Front, the Popular Peoples Front and the Peoples Popular Front - what relevance do any of them have? You've seen the film southy and it’s a perfect satire of the dinosaur-left - they're all “splitters” TUSC can make whatever promises they like as they will never have to keep any of them. Our corrupt and discredited electoral system will see to that – even if they did have a modicum of popular support. . In your previous post you say “climate change is natural there’s nothing we can do to change it”. Wrong, very wrong. Seems you have much in common with the dinosaur-right. But, unless we do start to face up to human induced climate change we will indeed pass a point of no return where there will be nothing we can do. That point is rapidly approaching (if not already passed) but you won’t find any politicians taking it seriously. freefinker
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4:17pm Tue 6 Apr 10

Condor Man says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote: freefinker, this isn't the forum to debate AGW. All I would say is that I could turn the same arguement on you, with the exception of 4). There really will be a disaster if the scare mongers get their way.
So, you just can't face up to the fact our species is having a profound and detrimental effect on the climate. It’s what I would have expected of you. All the scientists are lying, all the data is false. And, of course, with your profound knowledge of the sciences you are able to demonstrate all the flaws in this horrendous conspiracy. Tell us, what are they all conspiring to achieve? And why? Almost everything we will hear between now and 6 May is a total irrelevance to the real issues this planet has to tackle. That’s why this IS the forum to present these issues, rather than the verbal froth emanating from the mouths of politicians and their fellow travellers. . S/W "grow-cash" - the money tree all politicians think is real.
Sorry, I didn't realise you were a scientist. You obviously have "profound knowledge" and are able to talk with authority. I bow to your superior knowledge.
not all freefinker the TUSC dont and they will do what they have say, example:- (cut and paste from their web site) Here's a promise that TUSC have made. And will keep. They will not claim expenses or allowances, If elected into Parliament has your M.P. They will live on the ordinary people wage, And any thing left over will be giving to a cause. there is another part dealing with creating more green jobs. the trouble with the green party is that they are right wing and dont have a clear policy on other things. the socialist green party is a bit better but not a lot, they still need to think about what they are up to and how to go about it.
.. and the Peoples Front, the Popular Front, the Popular Peoples Front and the Peoples Popular Front - what relevance do any of them have? You've seen the film southy and it’s a perfect satire of the dinosaur-left - they're all “splitters” TUSC can make whatever promises they like as they will never have to keep any of them. Our corrupt and discredited electoral system will see to that – even if they did have a modicum of popular support. . In your previous post you say “climate change is natural there’s nothing we can do to change it”. Wrong, very wrong. Seems you have much in common with the dinosaur-right. But, unless we do start to face up to human induced climate change we will indeed pass a point of no return where there will be nothing we can do. That point is rapidly approaching (if not already passed) but you won’t find any politicians taking it seriously.
is that the People's Front of Judea or the Judean People's Front?
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: freefinker, this isn't the forum to debate AGW. All I would say is that I could turn the same arguement on you, with the exception of 4). There really will be a disaster if the scare mongers get their way.[/p][/quote]So, you just can't face up to the fact our species is having a profound and detrimental effect on the climate. It’s what I would have expected of you. All the scientists are lying, all the data is false. And, of course, with your profound knowledge of the sciences you are able to demonstrate all the flaws in this horrendous conspiracy. Tell us, what are they all conspiring to achieve? And why? Almost everything we will hear between now and 6 May is a total irrelevance to the real issues this planet has to tackle. That’s why this IS the forum to present these issues, rather than the verbal froth emanating from the mouths of politicians and their fellow travellers. . S/W "grow-cash" - the money tree all politicians think is real.[/p][/quote]Sorry, I didn't realise you were a scientist. You obviously have "profound knowledge" and are able to talk with authority. I bow to your superior knowledge.[/p][/quote]not all freefinker the TUSC dont and they will do what they have say, example:- (cut and paste from their web site) Here's a promise that TUSC have made. And will keep. They will not claim expenses or allowances, If elected into Parliament has your M.P. They will live on the ordinary people wage, And any thing left over will be giving to a cause. there is another part dealing with creating more green jobs. the trouble with the green party is that they are right wing and dont have a clear policy on other things. the socialist green party is a bit better but not a lot, they still need to think about what they are up to and how to go about it.[/p][/quote].. and the Peoples Front, the Popular Front, the Popular Peoples Front and the Peoples Popular Front - what relevance do any of them have? You've seen the film southy and it’s a perfect satire of the dinosaur-left - they're all “splitters” TUSC can make whatever promises they like as they will never have to keep any of them. Our corrupt and discredited electoral system will see to that – even if they did have a modicum of popular support. . In your previous post you say “climate change is natural there’s nothing we can do to change it”. Wrong, very wrong. Seems you have much in common with the dinosaur-right. But, unless we do start to face up to human induced climate change we will indeed pass a point of no return where there will be nothing we can do. That point is rapidly approaching (if not already passed) but you won’t find any politicians taking it seriously.[/p][/quote]is that the People's Front of Judea or the Judean People's Front? Condor Man
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4:26pm Tue 6 Apr 10

Brite Spark says...

What have the Conservatives ever done for us?
What have the Conservatives ever done for us? Brite Spark
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4:29pm Tue 6 Apr 10

Mr Ellis says...

Brite Spark wrote:
What have the Conservatives ever done for us?
The future's bright, the future's blue.
[quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: What have the Conservatives ever done for us?[/p][/quote]The future's bright, the future's blue. Mr Ellis
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4:35pm Tue 6 Apr 10

Condor Man says...

Brite Spark wrote:
What have the Conservatives ever done for us?
to carry on the Life of Brian stuff they increased home ownership, lowered taxes, introduced tax free saving schemes, gave tax relief on mortgages and healthcare, gave married men a better tax allowance, introduced much of the education reform, had free education for all...
[quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: What have the Conservatives ever done for us?[/p][/quote]to carry on the Life of Brian stuff they increased home ownership, lowered taxes, introduced tax free saving schemes, gave tax relief on mortgages and healthcare, gave married men a better tax allowance, introduced much of the education reform, had free education for all... Condor Man
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4:37pm Tue 6 Apr 10

southy says...

Mr Ellis wrote:
Brite Spark wrote:
What have the Conservatives ever done for us?
The future's bright, the future's blue.
the future is total destruction under blue, sooner or later they will turn on each other and do what most people dread the dropping of a nuclear bomb, all because there greed. of wanting what another has got.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: What have the Conservatives ever done for us?[/p][/quote]The future's bright, the future's blue.[/p][/quote]the future is total destruction under blue, sooner or later they will turn on each other and do what most people dread the dropping of a nuclear bomb, all because there greed. of wanting what another has got. southy
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4:38pm Tue 6 Apr 10

Brite Spark says...

Mr Ellis wrote:
Brite Spark wrote: What have the Conservatives ever done for us?
The future's bright, the future's blue.
More duck houses for the Tories!!
(at £2,000 to local taxpayers).
It's in Titchfield Road if anyone wants to see it, you paid for it, go knock the door and ask if you can have a look. It's that big house with goats on the hill, did we pay for them as well, I expect so we do live in a Nanny State!!
[quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: What have the Conservatives ever done for us?[/p][/quote]The future's bright, the future's blue.[/p][/quote]More duck houses for the Tories!! (at £2,000 to local taxpayers). It's in Titchfield Road if anyone wants to see it, you paid for it, go knock the door and ask if you can have a look. It's that big house with goats on the hill, did we pay for them as well, I expect so we do live in a Nanny State!! Brite Spark
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4:50pm Tue 6 Apr 10

Mr Ellis says...

southy wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote:
Brite Spark wrote: What have the Conservatives ever done for us?
The future's bright, the future's blue.
the future is total destruction under blue, sooner or later they will turn on each other and do what most people dread the dropping of a nuclear bomb, all because there greed. of wanting what another has got.
Sorry, southy, but isn't that what socialists want? Redistribution of wealth is "wanting what another has got". You just mask it by saying it's "fair". And I suggest you read the Green Party's website. There are some pretty radical socialist policies there. They are certainly not right wing!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: What have the Conservatives ever done for us?[/p][/quote]The future's bright, the future's blue.[/p][/quote]the future is total destruction under blue, sooner or later they will turn on each other and do what most people dread the dropping of a nuclear bomb, all because there greed. of wanting what another has got.[/p][/quote]Sorry, southy, but isn't that what socialists want? Redistribution of wealth is "wanting what another has got". You just mask it by saying it's "fair". And I suggest you read the Green Party's website. There are some pretty radical socialist policies there. They are certainly not right wing! Mr Ellis
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4:51pm Tue 6 Apr 10

southy says...

freefinker said
"“climate change is natural there’s nothing we can do to change it”. Wrong, very wrong. Seems you have much in common with the dinosaur-right."
it is natural, the earth climate go's up and down all the time, we still not has warm here has it was in the romans times, it was warm enough back in roman britian to grow olive trees, we still not got any where near has warm it will need to be to be able to grow such trees in this country.
and if you follow that stuff then you will know that the earth has been cooling down since 1996, even the sea temp in the channel has gone down in the last 3 years.
and people listen to those so called scientist they are not scientist they are the lesser scientist a technical scientist.
if you listen to the real scientist they will tell you man only alters the earth temp less than 0.001 of a degree.
freefinker said "“climate change is natural there’s nothing we can do to change it”. Wrong, very wrong. Seems you have much in common with the dinosaur-right." it is natural, the earth climate go's up and down all the time, we still not has warm here has it was in the romans times, it was warm enough back in roman britian to grow olive trees, we still not got any where near has warm it will need to be to be able to grow such trees in this country. and if you follow that stuff then you will know that the earth has been cooling down since 1996, even the sea temp in the channel has gone down in the last 3 years. and people listen to those so called scientist they are not scientist they are the lesser scientist a technical scientist. if you listen to the real scientist they will tell you man only alters the earth temp less than 0.001 of a degree. southy
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4:54pm Tue 6 Apr 10

Mr Ellis says...

southy wrote:
freefinker said "“climate change is natural there’s nothing we can do to change it”. Wrong, very wrong. Seems you have much in common with the dinosaur-right." it is natural, the earth climate go's up and down all the time, we still not has warm here has it was in the romans times, it was warm enough back in roman britian to grow olive trees, we still not got any where near has warm it will need to be to be able to grow such trees in this country. and if you follow that stuff then you will know that the earth has been cooling down since 1996, even the sea temp in the channel has gone down in the last 3 years. and people listen to those so called scientist they are not scientist they are the lesser scientist a technical scientist. if you listen to the real scientist they will tell you man only alters the earth temp less than 0.001 of a degree.
Sometimes southy you do manage to hit the nail on the head.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: freefinker said "“climate change is natural there’s nothing we can do to change it”. Wrong, very wrong. Seems you have much in common with the dinosaur-right." it is natural, the earth climate go's up and down all the time, we still not has warm here has it was in the romans times, it was warm enough back in roman britian to grow olive trees, we still not got any where near has warm it will need to be to be able to grow such trees in this country. and if you follow that stuff then you will know that the earth has been cooling down since 1996, even the sea temp in the channel has gone down in the last 3 years. and people listen to those so called scientist they are not scientist they are the lesser scientist a technical scientist. if you listen to the real scientist they will tell you man only alters the earth temp less than 0.001 of a degree.[/p][/quote]Sometimes southy you do manage to hit the nail on the head. Mr Ellis
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4:56pm Tue 6 Apr 10

clausentum says...

Condor Man wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote: freefinker, this isn't the forum to debate AGW. All I would say is that I could turn the same arguement on you, with the exception of 4). There really will be a disaster if the scare mongers get their way.
So, you just can't face up to the fact our species is having a profound and detrimental effect on the climate. It’s what I would have expected of you. All the scientists are lying, all the data is false. And, of course, with your profound knowledge of the sciences you are able to demonstrate all the flaws in this horrendous conspiracy. Tell us, what are they all conspiring to achieve? And why? Almost everything we will hear between now and 6 May is a total irrelevance to the real issues this planet has to tackle. That’s why this IS the forum to present these issues, rather than the verbal froth emanating from the mouths of politicians and their fellow travellers. . S/W "grow-cash" - the money tree all politicians think is real.
Sorry, I didn't realise you were a scientist. You obviously have "profound knowledge" and are able to talk with authority. I bow to your superior knowledge.
not all freefinker the TUSC dont and they will do what they have say, example:- (cut and paste from their web site) Here's a promise that TUSC have made. And will keep. They will not claim expenses or allowances, If elected into Parliament has your M.P. They will live on the ordinary people wage, And any thing left over will be giving to a cause. there is another part dealing with creating more green jobs. the trouble with the green party is that they are right wing and dont have a clear policy on other things. the socialist green party is a bit better but not a lot, they still need to think about what they are up to and how to go about it.
.. and the Peoples Front, the Popular Front, the Popular Peoples Front and the Peoples Popular Front - what relevance do any of them have? You've seen the film southy and it’s a perfect satire of the dinosaur-left - they're all “splitters” TUSC can make whatever promises they like as they will never have to keep any of them. Our corrupt and discredited electoral system will see to that – even if they did have a modicum of popular support. . In your previous post you say “climate change is natural there’s nothing we can do to change it”. Wrong, very wrong. Seems you have much in common with the dinosaur-right. But, unless we do start to face up to human induced climate change we will indeed pass a point of no return where there will be nothing we can do. That point is rapidly approaching (if not already passed) but you won’t find any politicians taking it seriously.
is that the People's Front of Judea or the Judean People's Front?
Naw. It's the People's Front of Tooting.

Or, to insiders, the Toot-Toot People's Front.
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: freefinker, this isn't the forum to debate AGW. All I would say is that I could turn the same arguement on you, with the exception of 4). There really will be a disaster if the scare mongers get their way.[/p][/quote]So, you just can't face up to the fact our species is having a profound and detrimental effect on the climate. It’s what I would have expected of you. All the scientists are lying, all the data is false. And, of course, with your profound knowledge of the sciences you are able to demonstrate all the flaws in this horrendous conspiracy. Tell us, what are they all conspiring to achieve? And why? Almost everything we will hear between now and 6 May is a total irrelevance to the real issues this planet has to tackle. That’s why this IS the forum to present these issues, rather than the verbal froth emanating from the mouths of politicians and their fellow travellers. . S/W "grow-cash" - the money tree all politicians think is real.[/p][/quote]Sorry, I didn't realise you were a scientist. You obviously have "profound knowledge" and are able to talk with authority. I bow to your superior knowledge.[/p][/quote]not all freefinker the TUSC dont and they will do what they have say, example:- (cut and paste from their web site) Here's a promise that TUSC have made. And will keep. They will not claim expenses or allowances, If elected into Parliament has your M.P. They will live on the ordinary people wage, And any thing left over will be giving to a cause. there is another part dealing with creating more green jobs. the trouble with the green party is that they are right wing and dont have a clear policy on other things. the socialist green party is a bit better but not a lot, they still need to think about what they are up to and how to go about it.[/p][/quote].. and the Peoples Front, the Popular Front, the Popular Peoples Front and the Peoples Popular Front - what relevance do any of them have? You've seen the film southy and it’s a perfect satire of the dinosaur-left - they're all “splitters” TUSC can make whatever promises they like as they will never have to keep any of them. Our corrupt and discredited electoral system will see to that – even if they did have a modicum of popular support. . In your previous post you say “climate change is natural there’s nothing we can do to change it”. Wrong, very wrong. Seems you have much in common with the dinosaur-right. But, unless we do start to face up to human induced climate change we will indeed pass a point of no return where there will be nothing we can do. That point is rapidly approaching (if not already passed) but you won’t find any politicians taking it seriously.[/p][/quote]is that the People's Front of Judea or the Judean People's Front?[/p][/quote]Naw. It's the People's Front of Tooting. Or, to insiders, the Toot-Toot People's Front. clausentum
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4:56pm Tue 6 Apr 10

soton1980 says...

Shoong wrote:
I just cannot see how the Labour party are re-electable.
Simple, they're not! I'll be voting Conservative on May 6th. I'd rather take my chances with Cameron than with Brown (who I KNOW to be an absolutely useless Prime Minister)!.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: I just cannot see how the Labour party are re-electable.[/p][/quote]Simple, they're not! I'll be voting Conservative on May 6th. I'd rather take my chances with Cameron than with Brown (who I KNOW to be an absolutely useless Prime Minister)!. soton1980
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4:58pm Tue 6 Apr 10

southy says...

Mr Ellis wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker said "“climate change is natural there’s nothing we can do to change it”. Wrong, very wrong. Seems you have much in common with the dinosaur-right." it is natural, the earth climate go's up and down all the time, we still not has warm here has it was in the romans times, it was warm enough back in roman britian to grow olive trees, we still not got any where near has warm it will need to be to be able to grow such trees in this country. and if you follow that stuff then you will know that the earth has been cooling down since 1996, even the sea temp in the channel has gone down in the last 3 years. and people listen to those so called scientist they are not scientist they are the lesser scientist a technical scientist. if you listen to the real scientist they will tell you man only alters the earth temp less than 0.001 of a degree.
Sometimes southy you do manage to hit the nail on the head.
thats because my trade has bought me in close contact with these type of people, with out my trade they would not be able to get the information that they need
[quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: freefinker said "“climate change is natural there’s nothing we can do to change it”. Wrong, very wrong. Seems you have much in common with the dinosaur-right." it is natural, the earth climate go's up and down all the time, we still not has warm here has it was in the romans times, it was warm enough back in roman britian to grow olive trees, we still not got any where near has warm it will need to be to be able to grow such trees in this country. and if you follow that stuff then you will know that the earth has been cooling down since 1996, even the sea temp in the channel has gone down in the last 3 years. and people listen to those so called scientist they are not scientist they are the lesser scientist a technical scientist. if you listen to the real scientist they will tell you man only alters the earth temp less than 0.001 of a degree.[/p][/quote]Sometimes southy you do manage to hit the nail on the head.[/p][/quote]thats because my trade has bought me in close contact with these type of people, with out my trade they would not be able to get the information that they need southy
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5:00pm Tue 6 Apr 10

Mr Ellis says...

"Naw. It's the People's Front of Tooting.

Or, to insiders, the Toot-Toot People's Front."

No, the Tooting Popular Front. "Power to the People"
"Naw. It's the People's Front of Tooting. Or, to insiders, the Toot-Toot People's Front." No, the Tooting Popular Front. "Power to the People" Mr Ellis
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5:02pm Tue 6 Apr 10

Mr Ellis says...

southy wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote:
southy wrote: freefinker said "“climate change is natural there’s nothing we can do to change it”. Wrong, very wrong. Seems you have much in common with the dinosaur-right." it is natural, the earth climate go's up and down all the time, we still not has warm here has it was in the romans times, it was warm enough back in roman britian to grow olive trees, we still not got any where near has warm it will need to be to be able to grow such trees in this country. and if you follow that stuff then you will know that the earth has been cooling down since 1996, even the sea temp in the channel has gone down in the last 3 years. and people listen to those so called scientist they are not scientist they are the lesser scientist a technical scientist. if you listen to the real scientist they will tell you man only alters the earth temp less than 0.001 of a degree.
Sometimes southy you do manage to hit the nail on the head.
thats because my trade has bought me in close contact with these type of people, with out my trade they would not be able to get the information that they need
So unless freefinker IS a scientist, you are better qualified to talk about AGW than he is. Like it!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: freefinker said "“climate change is natural there’s nothing we can do to change it”. Wrong, very wrong. Seems you have much in common with the dinosaur-right." it is natural, the earth climate go's up and down all the time, we still not has warm here has it was in the romans times, it was warm enough back in roman britian to grow olive trees, we still not got any where near has warm it will need to be to be able to grow such trees in this country. and if you follow that stuff then you will know that the earth has been cooling down since 1996, even the sea temp in the channel has gone down in the last 3 years. and people listen to those so called scientist they are not scientist they are the lesser scientist a technical scientist. if you listen to the real scientist they will tell you man only alters the earth temp less than 0.001 of a degree.[/p][/quote]Sometimes southy you do manage to hit the nail on the head.[/p][/quote]thats because my trade has bought me in close contact with these type of people, with out my trade they would not be able to get the information that they need[/p][/quote]So unless freefinker IS a scientist, you are better qualified to talk about AGW than he is. Like it! Mr Ellis
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5:03pm Tue 6 Apr 10

southy says...

Brite Spark wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote:
Brite Spark wrote: What have the Conservatives ever done for us?
The future's bright, the future's blue.
More duck houses for the Tories!!
(at £2,000 to local taxpayers).
It's in Titchfield Road if anyone wants to see it, you paid for it, go knock the door and ask if you can have a look. It's that big house with goats on the hill, did we pay for them as well, I expect so we do live in a Nanny State!!
to be fair brite its only ducks and sheep that will vote for the torys.
[quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: What have the Conservatives ever done for us?[/p][/quote]The future's bright, the future's blue.[/p][/quote]More duck houses for the Tories!! (at £2,000 to local taxpayers). It's in Titchfield Road if anyone wants to see it, you paid for it, go knock the door and ask if you can have a look. It's that big house with goats on the hill, did we pay for them as well, I expect so we do live in a Nanny State!![/p][/quote]to be fair brite its only ducks and sheep that will vote for the torys. southy
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5:19pm Tue 6 Apr 10

Lone Ranger says...

soton1980 wrote:
Shoong wrote:
I just cannot see how the Labour party are re-electable.
Simple, they're not! I'll be voting Conservative on May 6th. I'd rather take my chances with Cameron than with Brown (who I KNOW to be an absolutely useless Prime Minister)!.
You are voting for a party not just a PM.
.
Yes if you vote Tory you will vote for ...airbrushed Dave.....the little liar Hague and Ashcroft.....useless George.......buffoon Boris.......Euro man Clark.......and the man the Tories hate.....the Speaker in the H of C... Bercow.
.
Can you really bring youself to vote for THEM.
.
You owe it to your family, whilst Britains recovery is still on...... .to vote Labour...... it is a brave vote but the one that the citizens of the UK know is the right one.
[quote][p][bold]soton1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: I just cannot see how the Labour party are re-electable.[/p][/quote]Simple, they're not! I'll be voting Conservative on May 6th. I'd rather take my chances with Cameron than with Brown (who I KNOW to be an absolutely useless Prime Minister)!.[/p][/quote]You are voting for a party not just a PM. . Yes if you vote Tory you will vote for ...airbrushed Dave.....the little liar Hague and Ashcroft.....useless George.......buffoon Boris.......Euro man Clark.......and the man the Tories hate.....the Speaker in the H of C... Bercow. . Can you really bring youself to vote for THEM. . You owe it to your family, whilst Britains recovery is still on...... .to vote Labour...... it is a brave vote but the one that the citizens of the UK know is the right one. Lone Ranger
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5:20pm Tue 6 Apr 10

clausentum says...

Mr Ellis wrote:
"Naw. It's the People's Front of Tooting.

Or, to insiders, the Toot-Toot People's Front."

No, the Tooting Popular Front. "Power to the People"
Foxy for PM!
[quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: "Naw. It's the People's Front of Tooting. Or, to insiders, the Toot-Toot People's Front." No, the Tooting Popular Front. "Power to the People"[/p][/quote]Foxy for PM! clausentum
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5:26pm Tue 6 Apr 10

Mr Ellis says...

Lone Ranger wrote:
soton1980 wrote:
Shoong wrote: I just cannot see how the Labour party are re-electable.
Simple, they're not! I'll be voting Conservative on May 6th. I'd rather take my chances with Cameron than with Brown (who I KNOW to be an absolutely useless Prime Minister)!.
You are voting for a party not just a PM. . Yes if you vote Tory you will vote for ...airbrushed Dave.....the little liar Hague and Ashcroft.....useless George.......buffoon Boris.......Euro man Clark.......and the man the Tories hate.....the Speaker in the H of C... Bercow. . Can you really bring youself to vote for THEM. . You owe it to your family, whilst Britains recovery is still on...... .to vote Labour...... it is a brave vote but the one that the citizens of the UK know is the right one.
I am a citizen of the UK. Please don't tell me what I know is right. You sound like Gordon Brown.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soton1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: I just cannot see how the Labour party are re-electable.[/p][/quote]Simple, they're not! I'll be voting Conservative on May 6th. I'd rather take my chances with Cameron than with Brown (who I KNOW to be an absolutely useless Prime Minister)!.[/p][/quote]You are voting for a party not just a PM. . Yes if you vote Tory you will vote for ...airbrushed Dave.....the little liar Hague and Ashcroft.....useless George.......buffoon Boris.......Euro man Clark.......and the man the Tories hate.....the Speaker in the H of C... Bercow. . Can you really bring youself to vote for THEM. . You owe it to your family, whilst Britains recovery is still on...... .to vote Labour...... it is a brave vote but the one that the citizens of the UK know is the right one.[/p][/quote]I am a citizen of the UK. Please don't tell me what I know is right. You sound like Gordon Brown. Mr Ellis
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5:27pm Tue 6 Apr 10

southy says...

Lone Ranger wrote:
soton1980 wrote:
Shoong wrote:
I just cannot see how the Labour party are re-electable.
Simple, they're not! I'll be voting Conservative on May 6th. I'd rather take my chances with Cameron than with Brown (who I KNOW to be an absolutely useless Prime Minister)!.
You are voting for a party not just a PM.
.
Yes if you vote Tory you will vote for ...airbrushed Dave.....the little liar Hague and Ashcroft.....useless George.......buffoon Boris.......Euro man Clark.......and the man the Tories hate.....the Speaker in the H of C... Bercow.
.
Can you really bring youself to vote for THEM.
.
You owe it to your family, whilst Britains recovery is still on...... .to vote Labour...... it is a brave vote but the one that the citizens of the UK know is the right one.
i will not be voting yet again lone ranger, i can not vote for any type of right wing party, even it is the lesser of the evils labour party.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soton1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: I just cannot see how the Labour party are re-electable.[/p][/quote]Simple, they're not! I'll be voting Conservative on May 6th. I'd rather take my chances with Cameron than with Brown (who I KNOW to be an absolutely useless Prime Minister)!.[/p][/quote]You are voting for a party not just a PM. . Yes if you vote Tory you will vote for ...airbrushed Dave.....the little liar Hague and Ashcroft.....useless George.......buffoon Boris.......Euro man Clark.......and the man the Tories hate.....the Speaker in the H of C... Bercow. . Can you really bring youself to vote for THEM. . You owe it to your family, whilst Britains recovery is still on...... .to vote Labour...... it is a brave vote but the one that the citizens of the UK know is the right one.[/p][/quote]i will not be voting yet again lone ranger, i can not vote for any type of right wing party, even it is the lesser of the evils labour party. southy
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5:41pm Tue 6 Apr 10

Lone Ranger says...

Mr Ellis wrote:
Lone Ranger wrote:
soton1980 wrote:
Shoong wrote: I just cannot see how the Labour party are re-electable.
Simple, they're not! I'll be voting Conservative on May 6th. I'd rather take my chances with Cameron than with Brown (who I KNOW to be an absolutely useless Prime Minister)!.
You are voting for a party not just a PM. . Yes if you vote Tory you will vote for ...airbrushed Dave.....the little liar Hague and Ashcroft.....useless George.......buffoon Boris.......Euro man Clark.......and the man the Tories hate.....the Speaker in the H of C... Bercow. . Can you really bring youself to vote for THEM. . You owe it to your family, whilst Britains recovery is still on...... .to vote Labour...... it is a brave vote but the one that the citizens of the UK know is the right one.
I am a citizen of the UK. Please don't tell me what I know is right. You sound like Gordon Brown.
Didn't mean to patronise you...just trying to make people see sense and save them from themselves
[quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soton1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: I just cannot see how the Labour party are re-electable.[/p][/quote]Simple, they're not! I'll be voting Conservative on May 6th. I'd rather take my chances with Cameron than with Brown (who I KNOW to be an absolutely useless Prime Minister)!.[/p][/quote]You are voting for a party not just a PM. . Yes if you vote Tory you will vote for ...airbrushed Dave.....the little liar Hague and Ashcroft.....useless George.......buffoon Boris.......Euro man Clark.......and the man the Tories hate.....the Speaker in the H of C... Bercow. . Can you really bring youself to vote for THEM. . You owe it to your family, whilst Britains recovery is still on...... .to vote Labour...... it is a brave vote but the one that the citizens of the UK know is the right one.[/p][/quote]I am a citizen of the UK. Please don't tell me what I know is right. You sound like Gordon Brown.[/p][/quote]Didn't mean to patronise you...just trying to make people see sense and save them from themselves Lone Ranger
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5:45pm Tue 6 Apr 10

Lone Ranger says...

southy wrote:
Lone Ranger wrote:
soton1980 wrote:
Shoong wrote:
I just cannot see how the Labour party are re-electable.
Simple, they're not! I'll be voting Conservative on May 6th. I'd rather take my chances with Cameron than with Brown (who I KNOW to be an absolutely useless Prime Minister)!.
You are voting for a party not just a PM.
.
Yes if you vote Tory you will vote for ...airbrushed Dave.....the little liar Hague and Ashcroft.....useless George.......buffoon Boris.......Euro man Clark.......and the man the Tories hate.....the Speaker in the H of C... Bercow.
.
Can you really bring youself to vote for THEM.
.
You owe it to your family, whilst Britains recovery is still on...... .to vote Labour...... it is a brave vote but the one that the citizens of the UK know is the right one.
i will not be voting yet again lone ranger, i can not vote for any type of right wing party, even it is the lesser of the evils labour party.
Shame on you Southy.......not voting will let in the Tory party.......you dont want to be doing that.....go on force yourself this one last time, put your cross in the Labour box
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soton1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: I just cannot see how the Labour party are re-electable.[/p][/quote]Simple, they're not! I'll be voting Conservative on May 6th. I'd rather take my chances with Cameron than with Brown (who I KNOW to be an absolutely useless Prime Minister)!.[/p][/quote]You are voting for a party not just a PM. . Yes if you vote Tory you will vote for ...airbrushed Dave.....the little liar Hague and Ashcroft.....useless George.......buffoon Boris.......Euro man Clark.......and the man the Tories hate.....the Speaker in the H of C... Bercow. . Can you really bring youself to vote for THEM. . You owe it to your family, whilst Britains recovery is still on...... .to vote Labour...... it is a brave vote but the one that the citizens of the UK know is the right one.[/p][/quote]i will not be voting yet again lone ranger, i can not vote for any type of right wing party, even it is the lesser of the evils labour party.[/p][/quote]Shame on you Southy.......not voting will let in the Tory party.......you dont want to be doing that.....go on force yourself this one last time, put your cross in the Labour box Lone Ranger
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6:18pm Tue 6 Apr 10

southy says...

Lone Ranger wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger wrote:
soton1980 wrote:
Shoong wrote:
I just cannot see how the Labour party are re-electable.
Simple, they're not! I'll be voting Conservative on May 6th. I'd rather take my chances with Cameron than with Brown (who I KNOW to be an absolutely useless Prime Minister)!.
You are voting for a party not just a PM.
.
Yes if you vote Tory you will vote for ...airbrushed Dave.....the little liar Hague and Ashcroft.....useless George.......buffoon Boris.......Euro man Clark.......and the man the Tories hate.....the Speaker in the H of C... Bercow.
.
Can you really bring youself to vote for THEM.
.
You owe it to your family, whilst Britains recovery is still on...... .to vote Labour...... it is a brave vote but the one that the citizens of the UK know is the right one.
i will not be voting yet again lone ranger, i can not vote for any type of right wing party, even it is the lesser of the evils labour party.
Shame on you Southy.......not voting will let in the Tory party.......you dont want to be doing that.....go on force yourself this one last time, put your cross in the Labour box
the answer is still no i will not be voting like many others in the test area.
any way who ever gets in will only last for 2 years and we will be at the polls again. this is going to be a hung government.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soton1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: I just cannot see how the Labour party are re-electable.[/p][/quote]Simple, they're not! I'll be voting Conservative on May 6th. I'd rather take my chances with Cameron than with Brown (who I KNOW to be an absolutely useless Prime Minister)!.[/p][/quote]You are voting for a party not just a PM. . Yes if you vote Tory you will vote for ...airbrushed Dave.....the little liar Hague and Ashcroft.....useless George.......buffoon Boris.......Euro man Clark.......and the man the Tories hate.....the Speaker in the H of C... Bercow. . Can you really bring youself to vote for THEM. . You owe it to your family, whilst Britains recovery is still on...... .to vote Labour...... it is a brave vote but the one that the citizens of the UK know is the right one.[/p][/quote]i will not be voting yet again lone ranger, i can not vote for any type of right wing party, even it is the lesser of the evils labour party.[/p][/quote]Shame on you Southy.......not voting will let in the Tory party.......you dont want to be doing that.....go on force yourself this one last time, put your cross in the Labour box[/p][/quote]the answer is still no i will not be voting like many others in the test area. any way who ever gets in will only last for 2 years and we will be at the polls again. this is going to be a hung government. southy
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6:41pm Tue 6 Apr 10

TEBOURBA says...

People have conveniently short memories.
It was the greedy capitalist bankers who caused the recession, selling on sub-prime mortgages for short term profit, lending money to people who could not possibly pay it back and quickly repossessing their homes when they couldn't! and at the same time rewarding themselves with obscene bonuses!
Investors at Northern Rock were queuing all night, around the block, to withdraw their savings, Gordon Brown stepped in to support the Banks, protect investors savings warding off a run on the Banks and economic collapse.
Had he not done so the economic repercussions would have made the 1929 Wall Street crash look like a tea party!
I am old enough to remember the hardships of the 1930's, the unemployment, the hunger, absolute poverty.
In my 80 years, I cannot think of a single Tory policy that has actually benefited the ordinary working people of this country.
The things that we now all take for granted :- healthcare, better education, paid holidays, minimum wage, housing, social security, health and safety reforms in the work place, employment protection -- etc.etc. were all brought about by LABOUR GOVERNMENTS!
I struggle to recall a single Tory reform that has actually benefited the majority of people in this country.
In this coming General Election, as always, there will be die hard Tories who will always support their Party and die hard Labour supporters like me, it is the "floating voter" who will decide who governs us for the next 5 years.
To them, I say look at your life style, all the benefits you may have taken for granted all your life and reflect on which Party cared enough to provide them
People have conveniently short memories. It was the greedy capitalist bankers who caused the recession, selling on sub-prime mortgages for short term profit, lending money to people who could not possibly pay it back and quickly repossessing their homes when they couldn't! and at the same time rewarding themselves with obscene bonuses! Investors at Northern Rock were queuing all night, around the block, to withdraw their savings, Gordon Brown stepped in to support the Banks, protect investors savings warding off a run on the Banks and economic collapse. Had he not done so the economic repercussions would have made the 1929 Wall Street crash look like a tea party! I am old enough to remember the hardships of the 1930's, the unemployment, the hunger, absolute poverty. In my 80 years, I cannot think of a single Tory policy that has actually benefited the ordinary working people of this country. The things that we now all take for granted :- healthcare, better education, paid holidays, minimum wage, housing, social security, health and safety reforms in the work place, employment protection -- etc.etc. were all brought about by LABOUR GOVERNMENTS! I struggle to recall a single Tory reform that has actually benefited the majority of people in this country. In this coming General Election, as always, there will be die hard Tories who will always support their Party and die hard Labour supporters like me, it is the "floating voter" who will decide who governs us for the next 5 years. To them, I say look at your life style, all the benefits you may have taken for granted all your life and reflect on which Party cared enough to provide them TEBOURBA
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7:13pm Tue 6 Apr 10

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker said
"“climate change is natural there’s nothing we can do to change it”. Wrong, very wrong. Seems you have much in common with the dinosaur-right."
it is natural, the earth climate go's up and down all the time, we still not has warm here has it was in the romans times, it was warm enough back in roman britian to grow olive trees, we still not got any where near has warm it will need to be to be able to grow such trees in this country.
and if you follow that stuff then you will know that the earth has been cooling down since 1996, even the sea temp in the channel has gone down in the last 3 years.
and people listen to those so called scientist they are not scientist they are the lesser scientist a technical scientist.
if you listen to the real scientist they will tell you man only alters the earth temp less than 0.001 of a degree.
southy, I know well from many a story on this site that there is little point arguing with you once you start quoting from the "Southy Book Of Knowledge". But I might as well bang my head against the wall one more time.
.
While I have a lot of respect for you and your tenacity in sticking to your political guns (and on many issues I agree with you) I have also witnessed on numerous stories your horribly faulty science.
.
Science is about 99% agreed that climate change is happening, and happening fast. The main reason our planet is unable to maintain its usual temperature equilibrium is because of the gasses we are pumping into the atmosphere at an ever increasing rate. CO2 levels are now 38% higher than at the start of the Industrial Revolution, methane levels increasing alarmingly, CFC’s and similar man-made chemicals exacerbating the problem still further.
.
And as for your, “and people listen to those so called scientist they are not scientist they are the lesser scientist a technical scientist.” you are just talking twaddle – absolute pure unadulterated twaddle. There are NO serious scientists (or even your “real scientists”) who doubt our planet is warming. The only dispute left is how much is down to us and how much is natural. And on that the evidence is pretty conclusive - almost all is down to us.
.
As I’ve been saying throughout this story, this election under our gerrymandered electoral system is an irrelevance. None of the politicians, with the exception of the Greens, are prepared to face the changes we ALL need to make to our cosy little lifestyles if we are to leave a planet fit to live on for our grandchildren’s generation.
.
I actually agree with Mr Ellis (oh, that was hard to say!) that the Greens are very much on the left of politics.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: freefinker said "“climate change is natural there’s nothing we can do to change it”. Wrong, very wrong. Seems you have much in common with the dinosaur-right." it is natural, the earth climate go's up and down all the time, we still not has warm here has it was in the romans times, it was warm enough back in roman britian to grow olive trees, we still not got any where near has warm it will need to be to be able to grow such trees in this country. and if you follow that stuff then you will know that the earth has been cooling down since 1996, even the sea temp in the channel has gone down in the last 3 years. and people listen to those so called scientist they are not scientist they are the lesser scientist a technical scientist. if you listen to the real scientist they will tell you man only alters the earth temp less than 0.001 of a degree.[/p][/quote]southy, I know well from many a story on this site that there is little point arguing with you once you start quoting from the "Southy Book Of Knowledge". But I might as well bang my head against the wall one more time. . While I have a lot of respect for you and your tenacity in sticking to your political guns (and on many issues I agree with you) I have also witnessed on numerous stories your horribly faulty science. . Science is about 99% agreed that climate change is happening, and happening fast. The main reason our planet is unable to maintain its usual temperature equilibrium is because of the gasses we are pumping into the atmosphere at an ever increasing rate. CO2 levels are now 38% higher than at the start of the Industrial Revolution, methane levels increasing alarmingly, CFC’s and similar man-made chemicals exacerbating the problem still further. . And as for your, “and people listen to those so called scientist they are not scientist they are the lesser scientist a technical scientist.” you are just talking twaddle – absolute pure unadulterated twaddle. There are NO serious scientists (or even your “real scientists”) who doubt our planet is warming. The only dispute left is how much is down to us and how much is natural. And on that the evidence is pretty conclusive - almost all is down to us. . As I’ve been saying throughout this story, this election under our gerrymandered electoral system is an irrelevance. None of the politicians, with the exception of the Greens, are prepared to face the changes we ALL need to make to our cosy little lifestyles if we are to leave a planet fit to live on for our grandchildren’s generation. . I actually agree with Mr Ellis (oh, that was hard to say!) that the Greens are very much on the left of politics. freefinker
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7:30pm Tue 6 Apr 10

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
Brite Spark wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote:
Brite Spark wrote: What have the Conservatives ever done for us?
The future's bright, the future's blue.
More duck houses for the Tories!!
(at £2,000 to local taxpayers).
It's in Titchfield Road if anyone wants to see it, you paid for it, go knock the door and ask if you can have a look. It's that big house with goats on the hill, did we pay for them as well, I expect so we do live in a Nanny State!!
to be fair brite its only ducks and sheep that will vote for the torys.
southy, DON'T be so insulting to ducks and sheep.
They are far more intelligent than you think.
They would never, ever vote Tory.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: What have the Conservatives ever done for us?[/p][/quote]The future's bright, the future's blue.[/p][/quote]More duck houses for the Tories!! (at £2,000 to local taxpayers). It's in Titchfield Road if anyone wants to see it, you paid for it, go knock the door and ask if you can have a look. It's that big house with goats on the hill, did we pay for them as well, I expect so we do live in a Nanny State!![/p][/quote]to be fair brite its only ducks and sheep that will vote for the torys.[/p][/quote]southy, DON'T be so insulting to ducks and sheep. They are far more intelligent than you think. They would never, ever vote Tory. freefinker
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8:17pm Tue 6 Apr 10

warness says...

Easter weekend was better weather than expected, so I took the opportunity to cycle Lyndhurst / Beaulieu area.
I noticed with disgust, the number of dead animals on, and at the side of the road. These included foxes, badgers and a variety of types of birds.
Why oh why doesn't someone ensure that the verderers get out of their huts in the early morning, and remove this unsightly mess from our highways?
Easter weekend was better weather than expected, so I took the opportunity to cycle Lyndhurst / Beaulieu area. I noticed with disgust, the number of dead animals on, and at the side of the road. These included foxes, badgers and a variety of types of birds. Why oh why doesn't someone ensure that the verderers get out of their huts in the early morning, and remove this unsightly mess from our highways? warness
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8:48pm Tue 6 Apr 10

vj32 says...

southy wrote:
Adrian Smith wrote:
southy wrote:
cash = case Here's a promise that TUSC have made. And will keep. They will not claim expenses or allowances, If elected into Parliament has your M.P. They will live on the ordinary people wage, And any thing left over will be giving to a cause. mp.s earn way to much, there earning could easy pay for all there expenses and allowance, and to employ some one to help out with the work.
Southy, their website is silent on the bit about expenses, allowances and their wages. Perhaps you have some inside information but their polices page excludes this stuff. Strange that.

They do talk about global warming (is that still based upon fact?), ending child povety (the neverending story), no Lisbon Treaty (too late surely) and a hundred other socialist wet-dreams.

Nice try.
nice try is right how about if you read it all, try reading there manifest, they are the only party offering to live on the working mans wage, they are the only ones that will not claim expenses and allowances.
this part is a cut and paste from there web site.
"Here's a promise that TUSC have made. And will keep. They will not claim expenses or allowances, If elected into Parliament has your M.P."
saying no to the lisbon treaty is never to late, we was promise a vote on it, part of the conditions was that all EU country's would have the vote on the lisbon treaty.
and its never ever to late to vote on weather if we stay in the EU or not.
global warming is fact and is cause though nature and not man made thats the green party that saying its man made. and if you read what the the TUSC is saying, they are not really talking about global warming they are on about green jobs, whitch is different. after all it dont hurt to live in a cleaner environment mainly the air that you breath in
I have found the TUSC website Southy, but I don't find any mention of their candidates not taking expenses. If it is a genuine quote, it is a reason not to vote for them in itself as the writer clearly hasn't proof read a policy, or advertised it on their website! Plus it is a silly thing to say - the whole genuine point of expenses is that they are used to pay staff so that they can do their job as an MP representing a constituency. Its a shame because they have some interesting policies, but the whole rant about big business destroying trade unions and the working classes is very over the top. Who are the working classes? They definitely are not now the majority of the population, if you go by old fashioned class definitions. Oh, and climate change is caused by capitalism!! Not the overuse of fossil fuels. No, its the greedy capitalists. Does that make every car owner a greedy capitalist? Not as funny as the BNP website though. Thats a good laugh. Disturbing, but funny.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adrian Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: cash = case Here's a promise that TUSC have made. And will keep. They will not claim expenses or allowances, If elected into Parliament has your M.P. They will live on the ordinary people wage, And any thing left over will be giving to a cause. mp.s earn way to much, there earning could easy pay for all there expenses and allowance, and to employ some one to help out with the work.[/p][/quote]Southy, their website is silent on the bit about expenses, allowances and their wages. Perhaps you have some inside information but their polices page excludes this stuff. Strange that. They do talk about global warming (is that still based upon fact?), ending child povety (the neverending story), no Lisbon Treaty (too late surely) and a hundred other socialist wet-dreams. Nice try.[/p][/quote]nice try is right how about if you read it all, try reading there manifest, they are the only party offering to live on the working mans wage, they are the only ones that will not claim expenses and allowances. this part is a cut and paste from there web site. "Here's a promise that TUSC have made. And will keep. They will not claim expenses or allowances, If elected into Parliament has your M.P." saying no to the lisbon treaty is never to late, we was promise a vote on it, part of the conditions was that all EU country's would have the vote on the lisbon treaty. and its never ever to late to vote on weather if we stay in the EU or not. global warming is fact and is cause though nature and not man made thats the green party that saying its man made. and if you read what the the TUSC is saying, they are not really talking about global warming they are on about green jobs, whitch is different. after all it dont hurt to live in a cleaner environment mainly the air that you breath in[/p][/quote]I have found the TUSC website Southy, but I don't find any mention of their candidates not taking expenses. If it is a genuine quote, it is a reason not to vote for them in itself as the writer clearly hasn't proof read a policy, or advertised it on their website! Plus it is a silly thing to say - the whole genuine point of expenses is that they are used to pay staff so that they can do their job as an MP representing a constituency. Its a shame because they have some interesting policies, but the whole rant about big business destroying trade unions and the working classes is very over the top. Who are the working classes? They definitely are not now the majority of the population, if you go by old fashioned class definitions. Oh, and climate change is caused by capitalism!! Not the overuse of fossil fuels. No, its the greedy capitalists. Does that make every car owner a greedy capitalist? Not as funny as the BNP website though. Thats a good laugh. Disturbing, but funny. vj32
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9:28pm Tue 6 Apr 10

Condor Man says...

No, we're all middle class now as most people are tied into mortgages, fret over the choice of schools for our children and hope that we'll have enough money to retire on.
No, we're all middle class now as most people are tied into mortgages, fret over the choice of schools for our children and hope that we'll have enough money to retire on. Condor Man
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9:37pm Tue 6 Apr 10

southy says...

vj32, romsey its there i know i only took the quote this morning, must amit lo its not one of the easyest webs site to navigate though, there are to many links.
one of the things when you take an mp's job you do the work. if you cant be bothered to do the work your self then you employ some one to do it for you but its down to that mp to pay for it not the public, because that person working for that person and not the state. its part of whitehall job to help out with a mp's work who works for the state,and are paid by the state and not some person who doing a job on a private bases, political party should pay up for an mp to if he needs extra help to do the work and that to should come out of the party funds.
it was maggie that interduce the expensive sheet before she got into power there was no such thing, mp's had to pay out of there own pockets before then.
but keep searching you will come across it.
vj32, romsey its there i know i only took the quote this morning, must amit lo its not one of the easyest webs site to navigate though, there are to many links. one of the things when you take an mp's job you do the work. if you cant be bothered to do the work your self then you employ some one to do it for you but its down to that mp to pay for it not the public, because that person working for that person and not the state. its part of whitehall job to help out with a mp's work who works for the state,and are paid by the state and not some person who doing a job on a private bases, political party should pay up for an mp to if he needs extra help to do the work and that to should come out of the party funds. it was maggie that interduce the expensive sheet before she got into power there was no such thing, mp's had to pay out of there own pockets before then. but keep searching you will come across it. southy
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9:39pm Tue 6 Apr 10

southy says...

Condor Man wrote:
No, we're all middle class now as most people are tied into mortgages, fret over the choice of schools for our children and hope that we'll have enough money to retire on.
that dont make you middle class.
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: No, we're all middle class now as most people are tied into mortgages, fret over the choice of schools for our children and hope that we'll have enough money to retire on.[/p][/quote]that dont make you middle class. southy
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9:40pm Tue 6 Apr 10

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Brite Spark wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote:
Brite Spark wrote: What have the Conservatives ever done for us?
The future's bright, the future's blue.
More duck houses for the Tories!!
(at £2,000 to local taxpayers).
It's in Titchfield Road if anyone wants to see it, you paid for it, go knock the door and ask if you can have a look. It's that big house with goats on the hill, did we pay for them as well, I expect so we do live in a Nanny State!!
to be fair brite its only ducks and sheep that will vote for the torys.
southy, DON'T be so insulting to ducks and sheep.
They are far more intelligent than you think.
They would never, ever vote Tory.
ah but not brainwashed ones.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: What have the Conservatives ever done for us?[/p][/quote]The future's bright, the future's blue.[/p][/quote]More duck houses for the Tories!! (at £2,000 to local taxpayers). It's in Titchfield Road if anyone wants to see it, you paid for it, go knock the door and ask if you can have a look. It's that big house with goats on the hill, did we pay for them as well, I expect so we do live in a Nanny State!![/p][/quote]to be fair brite its only ducks and sheep that will vote for the torys.[/p][/quote]southy, DON'T be so insulting to ducks and sheep. They are far more intelligent than you think. They would never, ever vote Tory.[/p][/quote]ah but not brainwashed ones. southy
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10:02pm Tue 6 Apr 10

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker said
"“climate change is natural there’s nothing we can do to change it”. Wrong, very wrong. Seems you have much in common with the dinosaur-right."
it is natural, the earth climate go's up and down all the time, we still not has warm here has it was in the romans times, it was warm enough back in roman britian to grow olive trees, we still not got any where near has warm it will need to be to be able to grow such trees in this country.
and if you follow that stuff then you will know that the earth has been cooling down since 1996, even the sea temp in the channel has gone down in the last 3 years.
and people listen to those so called scientist they are not scientist they are the lesser scientist a technical scientist.
if you listen to the real scientist they will tell you man only alters the earth temp less than 0.001 of a degree.
southy, I know well from many a story on this site that there is little point arguing with you once you start quoting from the "Southy Book Of Knowledge". But I might as well bang my head against the wall one more time.
.
While I have a lot of respect for you and your tenacity in sticking to your political guns (and on many issues I agree with you) I have also witnessed on numerous stories your horribly faulty science.
.
Science is about 99% agreed that climate change is happening, and happening fast. The main reason our planet is unable to maintain its usual temperature equilibrium is because of the gasses we are pumping into the atmosphere at an ever increasing rate. CO2 levels are now 38% higher than at the start of the Industrial Revolution, methane levels increasing alarmingly, CFC’s and similar man-made chemicals exacerbating the problem still further.
.
And as for your, “and people listen to those so called scientist they are not scientist they are the lesser scientist a technical scientist.” you are just talking twaddle – absolute pure unadulterated twaddle. There are NO serious scientists (or even your “real scientists”) who doubt our planet is warming. The only dispute left is how much is down to us and how much is natural. And on that the evidence is pretty conclusive - almost all is down to us.
.
As I’ve been saying throughout this story, this election under our gerrymandered electoral system is an irrelevance. None of the politicians, with the exception of the Greens, are prepared to face the changes we ALL need to make to our cosy little lifestyles if we are to leave a planet fit to live on for our grandchildren’s generation.
.
I actually agree with Mr Ellis (oh, that was hard to say!) that the Greens are very much on the left of politics.
the greens are not left politics they are right wing politics the troble is people have for gotten what is left and what is right and what is centre after 30 years of politics moving more and more to the right i not surprise people cant tell the difference any more.

your true scientists do say it is only a natural event that comes along every so often. there are way more scientists say global warming is not man made, can you remember what was said about the ozone layer and hole in it, people was saying the same thing then that the scientists was saying this and saying that when it was not true, but when you ask those sort of people who was it who spotted this hole in the ozone and where was it and when they could not answer or give the wrong answer, a myth that was killed off. and thats all this man made global warming is its a myth the man made part is, that that fact the earth was warming, the earth warms up and cools down all the time. we now know that the earth very first ice age the atmosphere was over 90% co2 gas, we also know that there was a time period in the earths history when it was at hottest and dryest the atmosphere was over 80% oxygen
tell me this if your so hot about it answer those questions i let you know if your right or wrong
1. who discovered the hole in the ozone layer
2 where was it this was dicovered
3 in what year was it
4 what is the connection between the ozone and global temp.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: freefinker said "“climate change is natural there’s nothing we can do to change it”. Wrong, very wrong. Seems you have much in common with the dinosaur-right." it is natural, the earth climate go's up and down all the time, we still not has warm here has it was in the romans times, it was warm enough back in roman britian to grow olive trees, we still not got any where near has warm it will need to be to be able to grow such trees in this country. and if you follow that stuff then you will know that the earth has been cooling down since 1996, even the sea temp in the channel has gone down in the last 3 years. and people listen to those so called scientist they are not scientist they are the lesser scientist a technical scientist. if you listen to the real scientist they will tell you man only alters the earth temp less than 0.001 of a degree.[/p][/quote]southy, I know well from many a story on this site that there is little point arguing with you once you start quoting from the "Southy Book Of Knowledge". But I might as well bang my head against the wall one more time. . While I have a lot of respect for you and your tenacity in sticking to your political guns (and on many issues I agree with you) I have also witnessed on numerous stories your horribly faulty science. . Science is about 99% agreed that climate change is happening, and happening fast. The main reason our planet is unable to maintain its usual temperature equilibrium is because of the gasses we are pumping into the atmosphere at an ever increasing rate. CO2 levels are now 38% higher than at the start of the Industrial Revolution, methane levels increasing alarmingly, CFC’s and similar man-made chemicals exacerbating the problem still further. . And as for your, “and people listen to those so called scientist they are not scientist they are the lesser scientist a technical scientist.” you are just talking twaddle – absolute pure unadulterated twaddle. There are NO serious scientists (or even your “real scientists”) who doubt our planet is warming. The only dispute left is how much is down to us and how much is natural. And on that the evidence is pretty conclusive - almost all is down to us. . As I’ve been saying throughout this story, this election under our gerrymandered electoral system is an irrelevance. None of the politicians, with the exception of the Greens, are prepared to face the changes we ALL need to make to our cosy little lifestyles if we are to leave a planet fit to live on for our grandchildren’s generation. . I actually agree with Mr Ellis (oh, that was hard to say!) that the Greens are very much on the left of politics.[/p][/quote]the greens are not left politics they are right wing politics the troble is people have for gotten what is left and what is right and what is centre after 30 years of politics moving more and more to the right i not surprise people cant tell the difference any more. your true scientists do say it is only a natural event that comes along every so often. there are way more scientists say global warming is not man made, can you remember what was said about the ozone layer and hole in it, people was saying the same thing then that the scientists was saying this and saying that when it was not true, but when you ask those sort of people who was it who spotted this hole in the ozone and where was it and when they could not answer or give the wrong answer, a myth that was killed off. and thats all this man made global warming is its a myth the man made part is, that that fact the earth was warming, the earth warms up and cools down all the time. we now know that the earth very first ice age the atmosphere was over 90% co2 gas, we also know that there was a time period in the earths history when it was at hottest and dryest the atmosphere was over 80% oxygen tell me this if your so hot about it answer those questions i let you know if your right or wrong 1. who discovered the hole in the ozone layer 2 where was it this was dicovered 3 in what year was it 4 what is the connection between the ozone and global temp. southy
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10:38pm Tue 6 Apr 10

warness says...

When two kittens fight over a lettuce leaf, neither remembers why they are fighting, and the winner doesn't know what to do with his prize.
Freefinker - are you the ginger one?
When two kittens fight over a lettuce leaf, neither remembers why they are fighting, and the winner doesn't know what to do with his prize. Freefinker - are you the ginger one? warness
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10:58pm Tue 6 Apr 10

Big Mac says...

Southy, whoever you cast your vote for, please, please, pray that they invest some funds in education: Why not start a queue now; and remember to take your flask, thoughts and insane ramblings with you for comfort.
Southy, whoever you cast your vote for, please, please, pray that they invest some funds in education: Why not start a queue now; and remember to take your flask, thoughts and insane ramblings with you for comfort. Big Mac
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11:41pm Tue 6 Apr 10

freefinker says...

warness wrote:
When two kittens fight over a lettuce leaf, neither remembers why they are fighting, and the winner doesn't know what to do with his prize.
Freefinker - are you the ginger one?
.. oh, it's as if you know me.
I don't even like lettuce.
Them there verderers are hoping this new fangled National Park thingy will vanish in a puff of smoke if they stay put in their mud huts - particularly in the morning.
[quote][p][bold]warness[/bold] wrote: When two kittens fight over a lettuce leaf, neither remembers why they are fighting, and the winner doesn't know what to do with his prize. Freefinker - are you the ginger one?[/p][/quote].. oh, it's as if you know me. I don't even like lettuce. Them there verderers are hoping this new fangled National Park thingy will vanish in a puff of smoke if they stay put in their mud huts - particularly in the morning. freefinker
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11:59pm Tue 6 Apr 10

freefinker says...

Mr Ellis wrote:
southy wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote:
southy wrote: freefinker said "“climate change is natural there’s nothing we can do to change it”. Wrong, very wrong. Seems you have much in common with the dinosaur-right." it is natural, the earth climate go's up and down all the time, we still not has warm here has it was in the romans times, it was warm enough back in roman britian to grow olive trees, we still not got any where near has warm it will need to be to be able to grow such trees in this country. and if you follow that stuff then you will know that the earth has been cooling down since 1996, even the sea temp in the channel has gone down in the last 3 years. and people listen to those so called scientist they are not scientist they are the lesser scientist a technical scientist. if you listen to the real scientist they will tell you man only alters the earth temp less than 0.001 of a degree.
Sometimes southy you do manage to hit the nail on the head.
thats because my trade has bought me in close contact with these type of people, with out my trade they would not be able to get the information that they need
So unless freefinker IS a scientist, you are better qualified to talk about AGW than he is. Like it!
.. is anybody else feeling sick?
[quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: freefinker said "“climate change is natural there’s nothing we can do to change it”. Wrong, very wrong. Seems you have much in common with the dinosaur-right." it is natural, the earth climate go's up and down all the time, we still not has warm here has it was in the romans times, it was warm enough back in roman britian to grow olive trees, we still not got any where near has warm it will need to be to be able to grow such trees in this country. and if you follow that stuff then you will know that the earth has been cooling down since 1996, even the sea temp in the channel has gone down in the last 3 years. and people listen to those so called scientist they are not scientist they are the lesser scientist a technical scientist. if you listen to the real scientist they will tell you man only alters the earth temp less than 0.001 of a degree.[/p][/quote]Sometimes southy you do manage to hit the nail on the head.[/p][/quote]thats because my trade has bought me in close contact with these type of people, with out my trade they would not be able to get the information that they need[/p][/quote]So unless freefinker IS a scientist, you are better qualified to talk about AGW than he is. Like it![/p][/quote].. is anybody else feeling sick? freefinker
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1:43am Wed 7 Apr 10

southy says...

no answer then freefinker to those 4 simple questions. or are you just another right wing green party scaremonger supporter, no wonder the socialist green party get better results at an election, at lest they stick to the truth about global warming and say it just a natural event that comes along every so often.
no answer then freefinker to those 4 simple questions. or are you just another right wing green party scaremonger supporter, no wonder the socialist green party get better results at an election, at lest they stick to the truth about global warming and say it just a natural event that comes along every so often. southy
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1:54am Wed 7 Apr 10

southy says...

RosieQ wrote:
Well Said
Never trust a Tory
what i am wondering, why have brown left till 4 weeks before to call the election date, and not the normal 6 weeks, we have a normal budget whitch pointed to a full run in office june 6th.
is it he knows some thing going to happen to the economy, the unemployment figures, or could it be he see another 10 TUSC candidates declared standing bring the number up to 42. makes you wonder why the short notice of 4 weeks
[quote][p][bold]RosieQ[/bold] wrote: Well Said Never trust a Tory[/p][/quote]what i am wondering, why have brown left till 4 weeks before to call the election date, and not the normal 6 weeks, we have a normal budget whitch pointed to a full run in office june 6th. is it he knows some thing going to happen to the economy, the unemployment figures, or could it be he see another 10 TUSC candidates declared standing bring the number up to 42. makes you wonder why the short notice of 4 weeks southy
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7:03am Wed 7 Apr 10

Cyber-Fug says...

Southy said "i will not be voting yet again lone ranger, i can not vote for any type of right wing party, even it is the lesser of the evils labour party"

Southy, i must say I am surprised at your comment there. It is everyone's democratic right to vote and you would be one of the first to complain if that right was removed ! If you are not happy with any paper then it would be more of a protest to spoil your paper instead of not turning out..... but then again, in true socialist spirit if you cant get your own way you strike anyway which is what this is.
Southy said "i will not be voting yet again lone ranger, i can not vote for any type of right wing party, even it is the lesser of the evils labour party" Southy, i must say I am surprised at your comment there. It is everyone's democratic right to vote and you would be one of the first to complain if that right was removed ! If you are not happy with any paper then it would be more of a protest to spoil your paper instead of not turning out..... but then again, in true socialist spirit if you cant get your own way you strike anyway which is what this is. Cyber-Fug
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9:40am Wed 7 Apr 10

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
no answer then freefinker to those 4 simple questions. or are you just another right wing green party scaremonger supporter, no wonder the socialist green party get better results at an election, at lest they stick to the truth about global warming and say it just a natural event that comes along every so often.
I'm not going to argue with you southy, and I am not going to take part in your little quiz.
I can respect you when you argue a political or social position on more or less any subject.
But when it comes to science, and particularly climate change, it is facts that are the currency of discussion. Unfortunately, the Southy Book Of Knowledge contains many, many serious factual errors.
I have set out the position for you on climate change as agreed by the world’s leading scientific authorities based on huge amounts of detailed research. You can take it or leave it.
If you choose to join the science-denying dinosaur-right (funded by big business at that) in becoming a climate change rejecter that’s up to you.
But, the facts are still the facts, however, and no amount of hot air from you will change them.
.
As a small aside southy, mixing science and politics, you have seen previously my loathing of Thatcher and all she stood for. The one exception was CFCs where her training as a chemist made her realise, at lighting speed for a politician, the imminent dangers they presented to the ozone layer. She metaphorically swung her handbag at world leaders and the Montreal Protocol on CFC’s, 1987, was the welcome and speedy result. For that alone she deserves a huge amount of credit.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: no answer then freefinker to those 4 simple questions. or are you just another right wing green party scaremonger supporter, no wonder the socialist green party get better results at an election, at lest they stick to the truth about global warming and say it just a natural event that comes along every so often.[/p][/quote]I'm not going to argue with you southy, and I am not going to take part in your little quiz. I can respect you when you argue a political or social position on more or less any subject. But when it comes to science, and particularly climate change, it is facts that are the currency of discussion. Unfortunately, the Southy Book Of Knowledge contains many, many serious factual errors. I have set out the position for you on climate change as agreed by the world’s leading scientific authorities based on huge amounts of detailed research. You can take it or leave it. If you choose to join the science-denying dinosaur-right (funded by big business at that) in becoming a climate change rejecter that’s up to you. But, the facts are still the facts, however, and no amount of hot air from you will change them. . As a small aside southy, mixing science and politics, you have seen previously my loathing of Thatcher and all she stood for. The one exception was CFCs where her training as a chemist made her realise, at lighting speed for a politician, the imminent dangers they presented to the ozone layer. She metaphorically swung her handbag at world leaders and the Montreal Protocol on CFC’s, 1987, was the welcome and speedy result. For that alone she deserves a huge amount of credit. freefinker
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10:43am Wed 7 Apr 10

southy says...

Cyber-Fug wrote:
Southy said "i will not be voting yet again lone ranger, i can not vote for any type of right wing party, even it is the lesser of the evils labour party"

Southy, i must say I am surprised at your comment there. It is everyone's democratic right to vote and you would be one of the first to complain if that right was removed ! If you are not happy with any paper then it would be more of a protest to spoil your paper instead of not turning out..... but then again, in true socialist spirit if you cant get your own way you strike anyway which is what this is.
not voting is a form of protest with in self cb.
and yes your right i would moan like hell if the right to vote was taken away.
spoiling the paper never been an option to me, but each to there own, i just stick with the other 40% and not voting.
[quote][p][bold]Cyber-Fug[/bold] wrote: Southy said "i will not be voting yet again lone ranger, i can not vote for any type of right wing party, even it is the lesser of the evils labour party" Southy, i must say I am surprised at your comment there. It is everyone's democratic right to vote and you would be one of the first to complain if that right was removed ! If you are not happy with any paper then it would be more of a protest to spoil your paper instead of not turning out..... but then again, in true socialist spirit if you cant get your own way you strike anyway which is what this is.[/p][/quote]not voting is a form of protest with in self cb. and yes your right i would moan like hell if the right to vote was taken away. spoiling the paper never been an option to me, but each to there own, i just stick with the other 40% and not voting. southy
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12:02pm Wed 7 Apr 10

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
no answer then freefinker to those 4 simple questions. or are you just another right wing green party scaremonger supporter, no wonder the socialist green party get better results at an election, at lest they stick to the truth about global warming and say it just a natural event that comes along every so often.
I'm not going to argue with you southy, and I am not going to take part in your little quiz.
I can respect you when you argue a political or social position on more or less any subject.
But when it comes to science, and particularly climate change, it is facts that are the currency of discussion. Unfortunately, the Southy Book Of Knowledge contains many, many serious factual errors.
I have set out the position for you on climate change as agreed by the world’s leading scientific authorities based on huge amounts of detailed research. You can take it or leave it.
If you choose to join the science-denying dinosaur-right (funded by big business at that) in becoming a climate change rejecter that’s up to you.
But, the facts are still the facts, however, and no amount of hot air from you will change them.
.
As a small aside southy, mixing science and politics, you have seen previously my loathing of Thatcher and all she stood for. The one exception was CFCs where her training as a chemist made her realise, at lighting speed for a politician, the imminent dangers they presented to the ozone layer. She metaphorically swung her handbag at world leaders and the Montreal Protocol on CFC’s, 1987, was the welcome and speedy result. For that alone she deserves a huge amount of credit.
ok seeing you dont know.
the place was antarctica.
the year was 1968
the person was a science technician s kendle, he is now a professor and he knows every thing that there is to know about climate change. and you will not see his name on that list that climate change is man made.
then in 1985 technician science j farman, b gardiner, and j shanklin (all three was made up to scienctists in 1987 for there work on the ozone layer) made new and the biggest discoverys about the ozone layer, they where the ones that dicovered that ozone layer got bigger in the winter and smaller in the summer, and the reason why this happens. and you will also find those 3 will not be on that global warming is man made.
and if you remember back then the scaremongers was out in force back then too. and how we will all fry to death by the sun. the same thing is happening now with global warming. its just a cycle of nature.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: no answer then freefinker to those 4 simple questions. or are you just another right wing green party scaremonger supporter, no wonder the socialist green party get better results at an election, at lest they stick to the truth about global warming and say it just a natural event that comes along every so often.[/p][/quote]I'm not going to argue with you southy, and I am not going to take part in your little quiz. I can respect you when you argue a political or social position on more or less any subject. But when it comes to science, and particularly climate change, it is facts that are the currency of discussion. Unfortunately, the Southy Book Of Knowledge contains many, many serious factual errors. I have set out the position for you on climate change as agreed by the world’s leading scientific authorities based on huge amounts of detailed research. You can take it or leave it. If you choose to join the science-denying dinosaur-right (funded by big business at that) in becoming a climate change rejecter that’s up to you. But, the facts are still the facts, however, and no amount of hot air from you will change them. . As a small aside southy, mixing science and politics, you have seen previously my loathing of Thatcher and all she stood for. The one exception was CFCs where her training as a chemist made her realise, at lighting speed for a politician, the imminent dangers they presented to the ozone layer. She metaphorically swung her handbag at world leaders and the Montreal Protocol on CFC’s, 1987, was the welcome and speedy result. For that alone she deserves a huge amount of credit.[/p][/quote]ok seeing you dont know. the place was antarctica. the year was 1968 the person was a science technician s kendle, he is now a professor and he knows every thing that there is to know about climate change. and you will not see his name on that list that climate change is man made. then in 1985 technician science j farman, b gardiner, and j shanklin (all three was made up to scienctists in 1987 for there work on the ozone layer) made new and the biggest discoverys about the ozone layer, they where the ones that dicovered that ozone layer got bigger in the winter and smaller in the summer, and the reason why this happens. and you will also find those 3 will not be on that global warming is man made. and if you remember back then the scaremongers was out in force back then too. and how we will all fry to death by the sun. the same thing is happening now with global warming. its just a cycle of nature. southy
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12:56pm Wed 7 Apr 10

Mr Ellis says...

freefinker - There are a large number of scientists who dispute AGW. The "facts" as you call them are nothing more than data that is being manipulated to fit the models. The same "facts" can be manipulated the other way. As you have not declared yourself to be an expert scientist, I assume you are doing the same a southy and me, that is researching the subject and coming to your own conclusions. That is all we lay people can do. The problem I have is that the theories are not being given any robust testing, they are just taken as fact. There is no other area of science where this would be accepted. I have watched both An Inconvenient Truth and The Great Global Warming Swindle, and have read websites dedicated to both sides of the argument. Have you done the same, or are you just hearing what you want to hear?
freefinker - There are a large number of scientists who dispute AGW. The "facts" as you call them are nothing more than data that is being manipulated to fit the models. The same "facts" can be manipulated the other way. As you have not declared yourself to be an expert scientist, I assume you are doing the same a southy and me, that is researching the subject and coming to your own conclusions. That is all we lay people can do. The problem I have is that the theories are not being given any robust testing, they are just taken as fact. There is no other area of science where this would be accepted. I have watched both An Inconvenient Truth and The Great Global Warming Swindle, and have read websites dedicated to both sides of the argument. Have you done the same, or are you just hearing what you want to hear? Mr Ellis
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2:23pm Wed 7 Apr 10

thedevil'sadvocate says...

Mr Ellis wrote:
freefinker - There are a large number of scientists who dispute AGW. The "facts" as you call them are nothing more than data that is being manipulated to fit the models. The same "facts" can be manipulated the other way. As you have not declared yourself to be an expert scientist, I assume you are doing the same a southy and me, that is researching the subject and coming to your own conclusions. That is all we lay people can do. The problem I have is that the theories are not being given any robust testing, they are just taken as fact. There is no other area of science where this would be accepted. I have watched both An Inconvenient Truth and The Great Global Warming Swindle, and have read websites dedicated to both sides of the argument. Have you done the same, or are you just hearing what you want to hear?
Well said Mr Ellis. The problem I have is that AGW is a closed case, it's followers will not listen to the other side of the argument and to disagree with it is heracy, much like most religions.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: freefinker - There are a large number of scientists who dispute AGW. The "facts" as you call them are nothing more than data that is being manipulated to fit the models. The same "facts" can be manipulated the other way. As you have not declared yourself to be an expert scientist, I assume you are doing the same a southy and me, that is researching the subject and coming to your own conclusions. That is all we lay people can do. The problem I have is that the theories are not being given any robust testing, they are just taken as fact. There is no other area of science where this would be accepted. I have watched both An Inconvenient Truth and The Great Global Warming Swindle, and have read websites dedicated to both sides of the argument. Have you done the same, or are you just hearing what you want to hear?[/p][/quote]Well said Mr Ellis. The problem I have is that AGW is a closed case, it's followers will not listen to the other side of the argument and to disagree with it is heracy, much like most religions. thedevil'sadvocate
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4:17pm Wed 7 Apr 10

southy says...

Mr Ellis wrote:
freefinker - There are a large number of scientists who dispute AGW. The "facts" as you call them are nothing more than data that is being manipulated to fit the models. The same "facts" can be manipulated the other way. As you have not declared yourself to be an expert scientist, I assume you are doing the same a southy and me, that is researching the subject and coming to your own conclusions. That is all we lay people can do. The problem I have is that the theories are not being given any robust testing, they are just taken as fact. There is no other area of science where this would be accepted. I have watched both An Inconvenient Truth and The Great Global Warming Swindle, and have read websites dedicated to both sides of the argument. Have you done the same, or are you just hearing what you want to hear?
one thing that do amaze me is where did all those experts scientist on man made global warming come from. theres not that many in the world that is on there list, the real experts in climate change work for BAS and NERC and you will not find one off there names on this global man made warming list. i personally have work for BAS my self. and came into close contact with those guys, and have help set up there equipment, and done some work for them. and you dont do things like this and not learn a few things. especially if you like me and have a very inquiring mind to find out new ideas and things.

you can trace this man made global warming back to maggie, after heath lost the election because of the miners brought him down and maggie was pick to lead the tory party. she was not going let it happen to her what happen to heath. so she got a think tank up together before the 1979 elections. and it was here that this lie was first put together. and she pick and chose what info was release and when slowly after she was elected into power. remember the scaremongering about the holes in the ozone layer. and made people think those holes in the ozone layer was all round the world, when they was't it just happens on the poles.(if there was 1 or 2 small holes in the ozone layer round the world and not on the poles there would great sways on the earth surface where plants and animals could not live and the earth temp would be unbearable even has far north has the uk it would be a desert here). there are many factors that controls and regulate the earths temp, like where we are at any time in the milky way, or if our solar system is rising or dropping though the milky way, our orbit around the sun thats all way changing but only noticable every 22,000 years how much change there has been. then there is the sun what is that doing, is there any sun spots or not, is the sun pulsing out wards or inwards the sun exspands and contacts, think about your self if you take 7 steps forward and 6 steps back this is some thing like what the sun is doing, getting larger then smaller but never to the same size or small all ways that tiny bit larger. those are the facts that maggie left out, and your greenies jump on to it and using it to there own ends, but it was a monster thats got out of control and now government use it to there own ends to be able to gain more money out of the public, and they dont tend to support any real green jobs. just look at the action of any government has taken, no real support for things like wind farms but they will support the car manufacturer and there is a good reason behind that the world has a lot less oil than they thought and we are running out.
i can go into it in greater detail but you will need a long time free on your hands to go thought it all.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: freefinker - There are a large number of scientists who dispute AGW. The "facts" as you call them are nothing more than data that is being manipulated to fit the models. The same "facts" can be manipulated the other way. As you have not declared yourself to be an expert scientist, I assume you are doing the same a southy and me, that is researching the subject and coming to your own conclusions. That is all we lay people can do. The problem I have is that the theories are not being given any robust testing, they are just taken as fact. There is no other area of science where this would be accepted. I have watched both An Inconvenient Truth and The Great Global Warming Swindle, and have read websites dedicated to both sides of the argument. Have you done the same, or are you just hearing what you want to hear?[/p][/quote]one thing that do amaze me is where did all those experts scientist on man made global warming come from. theres not that many in the world that is on there list, the real experts in climate change work for BAS and NERC and you will not find one off there names on this global man made warming list. i personally have work for BAS my self. and came into close contact with those guys, and have help set up there equipment, and done some work for them. and you dont do things like this and not learn a few things. especially if you like me and have a very inquiring mind to find out new ideas and things. you can trace this man made global warming back to maggie, after heath lost the election because of the miners brought him down and maggie was pick to lead the tory party. she was not going let it happen to her what happen to heath. so she got a think tank up together before the 1979 elections. and it was here that this lie was first put together. and she pick and chose what info was release and when slowly after she was elected into power. remember the scaremongering about the holes in the ozone layer. and made people think those holes in the ozone layer was all round the world, when they was't it just happens on the poles.(if there was 1 or 2 small holes in the ozone layer round the world and not on the poles there would great sways on the earth surface where plants and animals could not live and the earth temp would be unbearable even has far north has the uk it would be a desert here). there are many factors that controls and regulate the earths temp, like where we are at any time in the milky way, or if our solar system is rising or dropping though the milky way, our orbit around the sun thats all way changing but only noticable every 22,000 years how much change there has been. then there is the sun what is that doing, is there any sun spots or not, is the sun pulsing out wards or inwards the sun exspands and contacts, think about your self if you take 7 steps forward and 6 steps back this is some thing like what the sun is doing, getting larger then smaller but never to the same size or small all ways that tiny bit larger. those are the facts that maggie left out, and your greenies jump on to it and using it to there own ends, but it was a monster thats got out of control and now government use it to there own ends to be able to gain more money out of the public, and they dont tend to support any real green jobs. just look at the action of any government has taken, no real support for things like wind farms but they will support the car manufacturer and there is a good reason behind that the world has a lot less oil than they thought and we are running out. i can go into it in greater detail but you will need a long time free on your hands to go thought it all. southy
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