Eco-town fears top the agenda (From Daily Echo)

"COMMON PURPOSE"

SHOULDN'T WE BE TOLD HOW MUCH A THREAT THIS IS TO DEMOCRACY?

MORE GROUPS, MORE QUANGOS, FEWER RIGHTS FOR THOSE WHO THINK VOTING IS GOING TO MAKE A CHANGE.

Come on Echo, do a story into this EU funded nightmare.

"COMMON PURPOSE"

SHOULDN'T WE BE TOLD HOW MUCH A THREAT THIS IS TO DEMOCRACY?

MORE GROUPS, MORE QUANGOS, FEWER RIGHTS FOR THOSE WHO THINK VOTING IS GOING TO MAKE A CHANGE.

Come on Echo, do a story into this EU funded nightmare.

How about send home all the immigrants then spend money refurblishing all the run down areas that they took over and move people back.

StEmmosfire wrote:
How about send home all the immigrants then spend money refurblishing all the run down areas that they took over and move people back.

What a good idea.
Get them bleedin' Anglo Saxons back to the North German Plain from whence they came. Coming over here and nicking our farms.
As the Romans have already left, the Celts will be able to return.
Oh, wait a minute, them there Celts were immigrants as well. Let’s get rid of them also.
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Oh dear, there’s nobody left.

Can we all just agree to stop using the meaningless phrase "Eco-town". This is just a new town, like Welwyn, Harlow, Stevenage Milton Keynes and all the rest. I think it was Eagle Star wanting to develop Micheldever who thought they could legitimise their idea by putting the word "Eco" in front of their plans....and ever since then dumb journalists have just parotted the phrase without ever asking "just explain what exactly is "Eco" about building a new town in the countryside? It's almost as stupid as pretending that a mass scrappage scheme is good for the environment"

How about an Echo Town? I'm all for it!

Brite Spark wrote:
How about an Echo Town? I'm all for it!

Wot!! A town that's superficial, trivial, ill informed, badly researched - and above all reverberating with ever-repeating noise?
No thank you.

freefinker wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: How about send home all the immigrants then spend money refurblishing all the run down areas that they took over and move people back.

What a good idea. Get them bleedin' Anglo Saxons back to the North German Plain from whence they came. Coming over here and nicking our farms. As the Romans have already left, the Celts will be able to return. Oh, wait a minute, them there Celts were immigrants as well. Let’s get rid of them also. . Oh dear, there’s nobody left.

Only need to back as far as 1997. Glad to help.

StEmmosfire wrote:

freefinker wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: How about send home all the immigrants then spend money refurblishing all the run down areas that they took over and move people back.

What a good idea. Get them bleedin' Anglo Saxons back to the North German Plain from whence they came. Coming over here and nicking our farms. As the Romans have already left, the Celts will be able to return. Oh, wait a minute, them there Celts were immigrants as well. Let’s get rid of them also. . Oh dear, there’s nobody left.

Only need to back as far as 1997. Glad to help.

.. but you clearly say "all the immigrants".
And, where is this "spend money refurbishing" coming from?
And why do you assume any home an immigrant uses will need refurbishment?
And, as for "move people back", who are you talking about?
Are you telling us that immigrants have forced non-immigrants from their homes?
And where are these apparently homeless indigenous people now?
Perhaps you could enlighten us?
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Or is it you just spout utter twaddle?
But then that’s par for the course from 99.9% of immigrant bashers.

Four in ten homes built over the last 10 years have been needed because of immigration.

Facts speak for themselves.

It's lefties like you that are ruining this country.

StEmmosfire wrote:
Four in ten homes built over the last 10 years have been needed because of immigration.

Facts speak for themselves.

It's lefties like you that are ruining this country.

Notice you haven't answered ANY of my questions.

66,000 immigrant households are established each year which has helped to price many British first-time buyers out of the market.

Fed up with the PC brigade and their British bashing.

freefinker wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: Four in ten homes built over the last 10 years have been needed because of immigration. Facts speak for themselves. It's lefties like you that are ruining this country.

Notice you haven't answered ANY of my questions.

Noticed your avoiding the facts.

StEmmosfire wrote:

freefinker wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: Four in ten homes built over the last 10 years have been needed because of immigration. Facts speak for themselves. It's lefties like you that are ruining this country.

Notice you haven't answered ANY of my questions.

Noticed your avoiding the facts.

You still have not answered the questions.
And, I fear it's you who's bashing the British as we ARE a rag-bag collection of immigrant arrivals over several millennia. So every time you think you are just bashing the latest arrivals to our shores you are, in fact, bashing us all. It’s just you are too dumb to see it.
It is bigoted and intolerant attitudes, like yours, that is ultimately responsible for almost all the ethnic massacres and pogroms throughout history.

freefinker wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

freefinker wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: How about send home all the immigrants then spend money refurblishing all the run down areas that they took over and move people back.

What a good idea. Get them bleedin' Anglo Saxons back to the North German Plain from whence they came. Coming over here and nicking our farms. As the Romans have already left, the Celts will be able to return. Oh, wait a minute, them there Celts were immigrants as well. Let’s get rid of them also. . Oh dear, there’s nobody left.

Only need to back as far as 1997. Glad to help.

.. but you clearly say "all the immigrants". And, where is this "spend money refurbishing" coming from? And why do you assume any home an immigrant uses will need refurbishment? And, as for "move people back", who are you talking about? Are you telling us that immigrants have forced non-immigrants from their homes? And where are these apparently homeless indigenous people now? Perhaps you could enlighten us? . Or is it you just spout utter twaddle? But then that’s par for the course from 99.9% of immigrant bashers.

Point 1.
Money would come from the savings of not building new towns in Green Spaces.
Point 2.
Have you driven through London recentley? Wembley especially.
Point 3.
The British first time buyer.
Point 4.
No, The figures are taken from properties built in the last 10 years.
Point 5.
What do you mean by indigenous? I'm guessing still living with Mum & Dad.

Glad to help,

freefinker wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

freefinker wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: Four in ten homes built over the last 10 years have been needed because of immigration. Facts speak for themselves. It's lefties like you that are ruining this country.

Notice you haven't answered ANY of my questions.

Noticed your avoiding the facts.

You still have not answered the questions. And, I fear it's you who's bashing the British as we ARE a rag-bag collection of immigrant arrivals over several millennia. So every time you think you are just bashing the latest arrivals to our shores you are, in fact, bashing us all. It’s just you are too dumb to see it. It is bigoted and intolerant attitudes, like yours, that is ultimately responsible for almost all the ethnic massacres and pogroms throughout history.

I'm pretty sure I said since 1997.

LOL

You have lost it freefinker, or is it Swampy?

StEmmosfire wrote:

freefinker wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

freefinker wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: How about send home all the immigrants then spend money refurblishing all the run down areas that they took over and move people back.

What a good idea. Get them bleedin' Anglo Saxons back to the North German Plain from whence they came. Coming over here and nicking our farms. As the Romans have already left, the Celts will be able to return. Oh, wait a minute, them there Celts were immigrants as well. Let’s get rid of them also. . Oh dear, there’s nobody left.

Only need to back as far as 1997. Glad to help.

.. but you clearly say "all the immigrants". And, where is this "spend money refurbishing" coming from? And why do you assume any home an immigrant uses will need refurbishment? And, as for "move people back", who are you talking about? Are you telling us that immigrants have forced non-immigrants from their homes? And where are these apparently homeless indigenous people now? Perhaps you could enlighten us? . Or is it you just spout utter twaddle? But then that’s par for the course from 99.9% of immigrant bashers.

Point 1.
Money would come from the savings of not building new towns in Green Spaces.
Point 2.
Have you driven through London recentley? Wembley especially.
Point 3.
The British first time buyer.
Point 4.
No, The figures are taken from properties built in the last 10 years.
Point 5.
What do you mean by indigenous? I'm guessing still living with Mum & Dad.

Glad to help,

1. But the new towns will be built by the private sector, ultimately for a profit. Why would they wish to invest this capital in "refurbishment" of our existing housing stock?
2. No, I haven't, and I don't see the relevance of one small area of the UK to the national housing debate.
3. But you said "move people back" - "back" implies the people you were talking about were not first time buyers.
4. Your reply does not answer my question "Are you telling us that immigrants have forced non-immigrants from their homes?"
5. So they are not homeless then. And they haven't been forced out of their first time buyer homes have they?
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The overwhelming reason why this country need more homes built is because of demographic changes to the size of the average "household". More people choose to live alone, more relationships split up, the elderly are no longer housed by their children, etc, etc. All this results in many more units of housing being needed per capita.
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But your sort always needs to find a convenient scapegoat, and just like in previous generations you quite wrongly blame the most recent arrivals. While you may now have put a 1997 cut off point in your discredited argument, I’m quite sure in generations past you would have blamed the Asians, West Indians, Jews, Huguenots, Normans, Anglo Saxons … ad infinitum.

freefinker wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

freefinker wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote:

freefinker wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: How about send home all the immigrants then spend money refurblishing all the run down areas that they took over and move people back.

What a good idea. Get them bleedin' Anglo Saxons back to the North German Plain from whence they came. Coming over here and nicking our farms. As the Romans have already left, the Celts will be able to return. Oh, wait a minute, them there Celts were immigrants as well. Let’s get rid of them also. . Oh dear, there’s nobody left.

Only need to back as far as 1997. Glad to help.

.. but you clearly say "all the immigrants". And, where is this "spend money refurbishing" coming from? And why do you assume any home an immigrant uses will need refurbishment? And, as for "move people back", who are you talking about? Are you telling us that immigrants have forced non-immigrants from their homes? And where are these apparently homeless indigenous people now? Perhaps you could enlighten us? . Or is it you just spout utter twaddle? But then that’s par for the course from 99.9% of immigrant bashers.

Point 1. Money would come from the savings of not building new towns in Green Spaces. Point 2. Have you driven through London recentley? Wembley especially. Point 3. The British first time buyer. Point 4. No, The figures are taken from properties built in the last 10 years. Point 5. What do you mean by indigenous? I'm guessing still living with Mum & Dad. Glad to help,

1. But the new towns will be built by the private sector, ultimately for a profit. Why would they wish to invest this capital in "refurbishment" of our existing housing stock? 2. No, I haven't, and I don't see the relevance of one small area of the UK to the national housing debate. 3. But you said "move people back" - "back" implies the people you were talking about were not first time buyers. 4. Your reply does not answer my question "Are you telling us that immigrants have forced non-immigrants from their homes?" 5. So they are not homeless then. And they haven't been forced out of their first time buyer homes have they? . The overwhelming reason why this country need more homes built is because of demographic changes to the size of the average "household". More people choose to live alone, more relationships split up, the elderly are no longer housed by their children, etc, etc. All this results in many more units of housing being needed per capita. . But your sort always needs to find a convenient scapegoat, and just like in previous generations you quite wrongly blame the most recent arrivals. While you may now have put a 1997 cut off point in your discredited argument, I’m quite sure in generations past you would have blamed the Asians, West Indians, Jews, Huguenots, Normans, Anglo Saxons … ad infinitum.

Go on, your so close. Godwin is waiting for you.

"discredited arguement"

Brilliant, I give you facts and figures and you have nothing apart from the rubbish you spill on www.imalimpleftie.co
m

StEmmosfire wrote:
"discredited arguement"

Brilliant, I give you facts and figures and you have nothing apart from the rubbish you spill on www.imalimpleftie.co

m

Yes, discredited.
Apart from your racist rhetoric the only info you rely on is "Four in ten homes built over the last 10 years have been needed because of immigration."
I don't have the faintest idea where you obtained this information - perhaps you can provide the relevant source.
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And while you are about it, perhaps you can also tell us all where we will house the estimated 3 to 4 million UK citizens who will be deported back from the other EU countries after we have adopted your proposal to "send home all the immigrants".

freefinker wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: "discredited arguement" Brilliant, I give you facts and figures and you have nothing apart from the rubbish you spill on www.imalimpleftie.co m

Yes, discredited. Apart from your racist rhetoric the only info you rely on is "Four in ten homes built over the last 10 years have been needed because of immigration." I don't have the faintest idea where you obtained this information - perhaps you can provide the relevant source. . And while you are about it, perhaps you can also tell us all where we will house the estimated 3 to 4 million UK citizens who will be deported back from the other EU countries after we have adopted your proposal to "send home all the immigrants".

So my facts and figures are racist... I've heard it all now. There is more than enough evidence to suggest that immigration is unsustainable. We are building new towns to the cost of the green belt. Or we could just tarmac the entire country so we can accommodate the 66,000 and growing immigrant house holds a year as you lefties would like. But wait what about the environment? You lefties have a bit of a dilemma lol

StEmmosfire wrote:

freefinker wrote:

StEmmosfire wrote: "discredited arguement" Brilliant, I give you facts and figures and you have nothing apart from the rubbish you spill on www.imalimpleftie.co m

Yes, discredited. Apart from your racist rhetoric the only info you rely on is "Four in ten homes built over the last 10 years have been needed because of immigration." I don't have the faintest idea where you obtained this information - perhaps you can provide the relevant source. . And while you are about it, perhaps you can also tell us all where we will house the estimated 3 to 4 million UK citizens who will be deported back from the other EU countries after we have adopted your proposal to "send home all the immigrants".

So my facts and figures are racist... I've heard it all now. There is more than enough evidence to suggest that immigration is unsustainable. We are building new towns to the cost of the green belt. Or we could just tarmac the entire country so we can accommodate the 66,000 and growing immigrant house holds a year as you lefties would like. But wait what about the environment? You lefties have a bit of a dilemma lol

No, your facts and figures require a sourse.
But your rhetoric is racist.
Again, you have failed to deal with the argument.
Where do we house all the UK citizens sent back from Europe?
Answers please.

Fair enough, your right. How could the introduction of 3 million immigrants since 1997 have an affect on the need for additional housing in this country. I am clearly a racist for bringing up these facts and figures.

freefinker wrote:

Brite Spark wrote:
How about an Echo Town? I'm all for it!

Wot!! A town that's superficial, trivial, ill informed, badly researched - and above all reverberating with ever-repeating noise?
No thank you.

We already have one.....its called Southampton and run by the Tories............en
ough said

StEmmosfire wrote:
Fair enough, your right. How could the introduction of 3 million immigrants since 1997 have an affect on the need for additional housing in this country. I am clearly a racist for bringing up these facts and figures.

Humm,
As you say "66,000 immigrant households are established each year"
x 13 years since 1997 = 850,000.
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You also say "3 million immigrants since 1997". That's 3.5 people per immigrant “household”. Very strange as my limited anecdotal observations suggests the majority of the East European work-seekers in this country are without families here.
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So, you are suggesting we replace these “immigrants” with at least an equal number of UK emigrants who will then be forced to return here because of reciprocal policies that will be affected EU nations.
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Again, I challenge you to tell us all how this will in any way help with our housing shortages.
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You just can’t get it into your brain cell that the housing shortage is NOT caused by immigration, but mainly by sociological demographic changes within the existing UK born population - and a lack of new-start housing developments.

your correct in everyway Swampy.

Apart from Dancing, supporting flags,and being used for scaffolding, high jumps and vaults and giving their name to a very unusual cat what have the poles ever done for us?