Conservative and Liberal Democrat coalition government takes office

David Cameron meets the Queen

David Cameron meets the Queen

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Politics and business reporter

THE Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats are today finally rolling up their sleeves to begin the work of Government six days after last week’s indecisive general election.

David Cameron was installed as the first Tory Prime Minister in 13 years after Gordon Brown quit in an emotional announcement on the steps of Number 10 last night.

The Labour leader stood down when it become clear a power sharing pact with Liberal Democrats could not be made.

After a 25-minute audience with the Queen Mr Cameron, 43, accepted her invitation to become Prime Minister and announced he intended to form a “proper and full coalition” with the Lib Dems promising “real change”.

Mr Cameron said: “Nick Clegg and I are both political leaders who want to put aside party differences and work hard for the common good and for the national interest.

“I believe that is the best way to get the strong government that we need, decisive government that we need today.

“I came into politics because I love this country, I think its best days still lie ahead.”

George Osborne, 38, was last night confirmed as Chancellor of the Exchequer with reports of five Cabinet posts being handed to the Lib Dems, including leader Nick Clegg, 43, as deputy prime minister. William Hague, 49, will become Foreign Secretary.

No other positions were due to be announced last night amid reports that Liberal Democrat positions in the Cabinet would include Vince Cable as Chief Secretary to the Treasury and David Laws as Schools Secretary.

Tory Andrew Lansley was reported to be the new Health Secretary.

Speaking to the Daily Echo last night following intense negotiations with the Tories, Eastleigh MP Chris Huhne, the Lib Dem home affairs spokesman, said he was unsure about him being given a position in a Lib-Tory cabinet.

“No news – it has not been discussed,” he said.

However reports this morning suggest Mr Huhne will be given the job of environment minister.

Hampshire Tories were jubilant.

Desmond Swayne, MP for New Forest West and a close aide of Mr Cameron, said: “I’m very pleased. It’s been a long day.”

Caroline Dinenage, the new Tory MP for Gosport, said: “It’s really exciting. It’s been very up in the air for a couple of days, really undecided and unclear, and I’m very hopeful now.” Addressing the prospects of a coalition between the Tories and Lib Dems, Miss Dinenage said: “It’s a time when we just have to bury our differences and work together for the good of the country.

That’s the absolute priority at the moment.”

Comments (55)

Please log in to enable comment sorting

10:10am Wed 12 May 10

hulla baloo says...

Now the fighing is over, lets concentrate on fixing the mess the last 13 years have brought us.
Now the fighing is over, lets concentrate on fixing the mess the last 13 years have brought us. hulla baloo
  • Score: 0

10:14am Wed 12 May 10

mr angreee says...

Any chance we may have had on a european referendum looks very unlikley now.
Any chance we may have had on a european referendum looks very unlikley now. mr angreee
  • Score: 0

10:20am Wed 12 May 10

hulla baloo says...

At least Samantha is a lot better on the eye than the last 2.
At least Samantha is a lot better on the eye than the last 2. hulla baloo
  • Score: 0

10:26am Wed 12 May 10

Redback says...

We're all doomed.
We're all doomed. Redback
  • Score: 0

10:28am Wed 12 May 10

StEmmosfire says...

Maybe UKIP and the Green Party can join a coalition opposition?
Maybe UKIP and the Green Party can join a coalition opposition? StEmmosfire
  • Score: 0

10:51am Wed 12 May 10

southy says...

hulla baloo wrote:
Now the fighing is over, lets concentrate on fixing the mess the last 13 years have brought us.
the fighting just about to start. this government has shorter life span than i first though. there are liberal mp's that are going to join the labour party. there some that are going to challenge clegg leadership of the liberal party. i would put a bet down on this government not lasting a year, but it seems the bookies are thinking the same, he not going to make it pass december 2010
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Now the fighing is over, lets concentrate on fixing the mess the last 13 years have brought us.[/p][/quote]the fighting just about to start. this government has shorter life span than i first though. there are liberal mp's that are going to join the labour party. there some that are going to challenge clegg leadership of the liberal party. i would put a bet down on this government not lasting a year, but it seems the bookies are thinking the same, he not going to make it pass december 2010 southy
  • Score: 0

10:59am Wed 12 May 10

DCM says...

southy wrote:
hulla baloo wrote: Now the fighing is over, lets concentrate on fixing the mess the last 13 years have brought us.
the fighting just about to start. this government has shorter life span than i first though. there are liberal mp's that are going to join the labour party. there some that are going to challenge clegg leadership of the liberal party. i would put a bet down on this government not lasting a year, but it seems the bookies are thinking the same, he not going to make it pass december 2010
You're wrong on this one Southy. No Lib Dem MP's would join the Labour party. We may lose some activists/wannabees but I won't be concerned.
If you look at the terms of the deal the Lib Dems have got a result - most of our core policies have been accepted.
I'm positive about this deal and i'm optimistic it will last the full five years.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Now the fighing is over, lets concentrate on fixing the mess the last 13 years have brought us.[/p][/quote]the fighting just about to start. this government has shorter life span than i first though. there are liberal mp's that are going to join the labour party. there some that are going to challenge clegg leadership of the liberal party. i would put a bet down on this government not lasting a year, but it seems the bookies are thinking the same, he not going to make it pass december 2010[/p][/quote]You're wrong on this one Southy. No Lib Dem MP's would join the Labour party. We may lose some activists/wannabees but I won't be concerned. If you look at the terms of the deal the Lib Dems have got a result - most of our core policies have been accepted. I'm positive about this deal and i'm optimistic it will last the full five years. DCM
  • Score: 0

11:12am Wed 12 May 10

southy says...

DCM wrote:
southy wrote:
hulla baloo wrote: Now the fighing is over, lets concentrate on fixing the mess the last 13 years have brought us.
the fighting just about to start. this government has shorter life span than i first though. there are liberal mp's that are going to join the labour party. there some that are going to challenge clegg leadership of the liberal party. i would put a bet down on this government not lasting a year, but it seems the bookies are thinking the same, he not going to make it pass december 2010
You're wrong on this one Southy. No Lib Dem MP's would join the Labour party. We may lose some activists/wannabees but I won't be concerned.
If you look at the terms of the deal the Lib Dems have got a result - most of our core policies have been accepted.
I'm positive about this deal and i'm optimistic it will last the full five years.
it will collapse before the end of the year, once those cuts slash, and the final sell off of state ownership start. you have an unemployment figure that will be twice maybe three times has many that you got now. you will get revolt on the streets. and by the end of this year you will see the first signs of a depression. theres going to be liberals that will want no part of that and will revolt with in the party, they are all ready sounding off.
you know my forecast 2012 forget that its going to be sooner. i been reading there posts on the social net work. your high profile mp's are happy enough but your low profile mp's are not.
[quote][p][bold]DCM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Now the fighing is over, lets concentrate on fixing the mess the last 13 years have brought us.[/p][/quote]the fighting just about to start. this government has shorter life span than i first though. there are liberal mp's that are going to join the labour party. there some that are going to challenge clegg leadership of the liberal party. i would put a bet down on this government not lasting a year, but it seems the bookies are thinking the same, he not going to make it pass december 2010[/p][/quote]You're wrong on this one Southy. No Lib Dem MP's would join the Labour party. We may lose some activists/wannabees but I won't be concerned. If you look at the terms of the deal the Lib Dems have got a result - most of our core policies have been accepted. I'm positive about this deal and i'm optimistic it will last the full five years.[/p][/quote]it will collapse before the end of the year, once those cuts slash, and the final sell off of state ownership start. you have an unemployment figure that will be twice maybe three times has many that you got now. you will get revolt on the streets. and by the end of this year you will see the first signs of a depression. theres going to be liberals that will want no part of that and will revolt with in the party, they are all ready sounding off. you know my forecast 2012 forget that its going to be sooner. i been reading there posts on the social net work. your high profile mp's are happy enough but your low profile mp's are not. southy
  • Score: 0

11:23am Wed 12 May 10

OSPREYSAINT says...

One thing for sure is that the gutter press will have already got down to preparing articles aimed at causing splits in the Government from the start, they will be searching every nook and cranny to create mischief, look for every minor indiscretion to plaster over the front pages and do everything they can to disrupt the normal running of the Parliament, all in the interests of selling their grotty newspapers.
One thing for sure is that the gutter press will have already got down to preparing articles aimed at causing splits in the Government from the start, they will be searching every nook and cranny to create mischief, look for every minor indiscretion to plaster over the front pages and do everything they can to disrupt the normal running of the Parliament, all in the interests of selling their grotty newspapers. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

11:53am Wed 12 May 10

DCM says...

southy wrote:
DCM wrote:
southy wrote:
hulla baloo wrote: Now the fighing is over, lets concentrate on fixing the mess the last 13 years have brought us.
the fighting just about to start. this government has shorter life span than i first though. there are liberal mp's that are going to join the labour party. there some that are going to challenge clegg leadership of the liberal party. i would put a bet down on this government not lasting a year, but it seems the bookies are thinking the same, he not going to make it pass december 2010
You're wrong on this one Southy. No Lib Dem MP's would join the Labour party. We may lose some activists/wannabees but I won't be concerned. If you look at the terms of the deal the Lib Dems have got a result - most of our core policies have been accepted. I'm positive about this deal and i'm optimistic it will last the full five years.
it will collapse before the end of the year, once those cuts slash, and the final sell off of state ownership start. you have an unemployment figure that will be twice maybe three times has many that you got now. you will get revolt on the streets. and by the end of this year you will see the first signs of a depression. theres going to be liberals that will want no part of that and will revolt with in the party, they are all ready sounding off. you know my forecast 2012 forget that its going to be sooner. i been reading there posts on the social net work. your high profile mp's are happy enough but your low profile mp's are not.
Most of the country are well prepared for the cuts that will have to happen.
As much as I know you want a revolt and for all the socialists to rise up together it won't happen. This is Britain, not Greece. The British people have little desire for Communism/Socialism and the number of anarchists is very, very small.
If the cuts are fair, which they will be, then people will accept them.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DCM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Now the fighing is over, lets concentrate on fixing the mess the last 13 years have brought us.[/p][/quote]the fighting just about to start. this government has shorter life span than i first though. there are liberal mp's that are going to join the labour party. there some that are going to challenge clegg leadership of the liberal party. i would put a bet down on this government not lasting a year, but it seems the bookies are thinking the same, he not going to make it pass december 2010[/p][/quote]You're wrong on this one Southy. No Lib Dem MP's would join the Labour party. We may lose some activists/wannabees but I won't be concerned. If you look at the terms of the deal the Lib Dems have got a result - most of our core policies have been accepted. I'm positive about this deal and i'm optimistic it will last the full five years.[/p][/quote]it will collapse before the end of the year, once those cuts slash, and the final sell off of state ownership start. you have an unemployment figure that will be twice maybe three times has many that you got now. you will get revolt on the streets. and by the end of this year you will see the first signs of a depression. theres going to be liberals that will want no part of that and will revolt with in the party, they are all ready sounding off. you know my forecast 2012 forget that its going to be sooner. i been reading there posts on the social net work. your high profile mp's are happy enough but your low profile mp's are not.[/p][/quote]Most of the country are well prepared for the cuts that will have to happen. As much as I know you want a revolt and for all the socialists to rise up together it won't happen. This is Britain, not Greece. The British people have little desire for Communism/Socialism and the number of anarchists is very, very small. If the cuts are fair, which they will be, then people will accept them. DCM
  • Score: 0

11:54am Wed 12 May 10

DCM says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
One thing for sure is that the gutter press will have already got down to preparing articles aimed at causing splits in the Government from the start, they will be searching every nook and cranny to create mischief, look for every minor indiscretion to plaster over the front pages and do everything they can to disrupt the normal running of the Parliament, all in the interests of selling their grotty newspapers.
Unfortunately you are totally correct. Much of the press in this country is a disgrace.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: One thing for sure is that the gutter press will have already got down to preparing articles aimed at causing splits in the Government from the start, they will be searching every nook and cranny to create mischief, look for every minor indiscretion to plaster over the front pages and do everything they can to disrupt the normal running of the Parliament, all in the interests of selling their grotty newspapers.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately you are totally correct. Much of the press in this country is a disgrace. DCM
  • Score: 0

11:55am Wed 12 May 10

Greyhound1405 says...

Armchair experts, leave the elected politicians to deal with the awful mess. Stop driving wedges between the people who now have a difficult job to do. We the people voted for a hung parliament, not trusting any one party to behave. The real differences between Tories and Lib Dems will balance adventurous members of either persuasion. That hand shake outside No 10 made me feel proud to be British. A good period in the History of the UK and even the world. Newspapers please stop your biases too - please.
Armchair experts, leave the elected politicians to deal with the awful mess. Stop driving wedges between the people who now have a difficult job to do. We the people voted for a hung parliament, not trusting any one party to behave. The real differences between Tories and Lib Dems will balance adventurous members of either persuasion. That hand shake outside No 10 made me feel proud to be British. A good period in the History of the UK and even the world. Newspapers please stop your biases too - please. Greyhound1405
  • Score: 0

12:15pm Wed 12 May 10

southy says...

DCM wrote:
southy wrote:
DCM wrote:
southy wrote:
hulla baloo wrote: Now the fighing is over, lets concentrate on fixing the mess the last 13 years have brought us.
the fighting just about to start. this government has shorter life span than i first though. there are liberal mp's that are going to join the labour party. there some that are going to challenge clegg leadership of the liberal party. i would put a bet down on this government not lasting a year, but it seems the bookies are thinking the same, he not going to make it pass december 2010
You're wrong on this one Southy. No Lib Dem MP's would join the Labour party. We may lose some activists/wannabees but I won't be concerned. If you look at the terms of the deal the Lib Dems have got a result - most of our core policies have been accepted. I'm positive about this deal and i'm optimistic it will last the full five years.
it will collapse before the end of the year, once those cuts slash, and the final sell off of state ownership start. you have an unemployment figure that will be twice maybe three times has many that you got now. you will get revolt on the streets. and by the end of this year you will see the first signs of a depression. theres going to be liberals that will want no part of that and will revolt with in the party, they are all ready sounding off. you know my forecast 2012 forget that its going to be sooner. i been reading there posts on the social net work. your high profile mp's are happy enough but your low profile mp's are not.
Most of the country are well prepared for the cuts that will have to happen.
As much as I know you want a revolt and for all the socialists to rise up together it won't happen. This is Britain, not Greece. The British people have little desire for Communism/Socialism and the number of anarchists is very, very small.
If the cuts are fair, which they will be, then people will accept them.
did i not say a year ago that this would be a hung government, and did i not say that torys will win with a minority. this government will not last.
has for socialism you are wrong, that divide and conquer tactic by thatcher in the 80's in now collapsing, the left is coming back together again, its a long road i know i been waiting for the unity of the left for a 20 plus years, the majority of the left have not been voting they not even bothered to register to vote.
no cuts are fair because you be putting people on the dole. and it will not make any difference to the economy because the tax payer will end up paying for them because the cuts put them there. if the right aka capitalist want to stay in the corridors of power then they will need to keep people working and start sharing out, but they will not do this because its socialism.
you all ready got strikes looming, and theres going to be a lot more, the rank and file of the union are starting to say enough is enough.
this is the last time you see the torys in power for a very long time and it got the good chance being the last time for good. it would be a shame to see the torys take the liberals with them.
[quote][p][bold]DCM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DCM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Now the fighing is over, lets concentrate on fixing the mess the last 13 years have brought us.[/p][/quote]the fighting just about to start. this government has shorter life span than i first though. there are liberal mp's that are going to join the labour party. there some that are going to challenge clegg leadership of the liberal party. i would put a bet down on this government not lasting a year, but it seems the bookies are thinking the same, he not going to make it pass december 2010[/p][/quote]You're wrong on this one Southy. No Lib Dem MP's would join the Labour party. We may lose some activists/wannabees but I won't be concerned. If you look at the terms of the deal the Lib Dems have got a result - most of our core policies have been accepted. I'm positive about this deal and i'm optimistic it will last the full five years.[/p][/quote]it will collapse before the end of the year, once those cuts slash, and the final sell off of state ownership start. you have an unemployment figure that will be twice maybe three times has many that you got now. you will get revolt on the streets. and by the end of this year you will see the first signs of a depression. theres going to be liberals that will want no part of that and will revolt with in the party, they are all ready sounding off. you know my forecast 2012 forget that its going to be sooner. i been reading there posts on the social net work. your high profile mp's are happy enough but your low profile mp's are not.[/p][/quote]Most of the country are well prepared for the cuts that will have to happen. As much as I know you want a revolt and for all the socialists to rise up together it won't happen. This is Britain, not Greece. The British people have little desire for Communism/Socialism and the number of anarchists is very, very small. If the cuts are fair, which they will be, then people will accept them.[/p][/quote]did i not say a year ago that this would be a hung government, and did i not say that torys will win with a minority. this government will not last. has for socialism you are wrong, that divide and conquer tactic by thatcher in the 80's in now collapsing, the left is coming back together again, its a long road i know i been waiting for the unity of the left for a 20 plus years, the majority of the left have not been voting they not even bothered to register to vote. no cuts are fair because you be putting people on the dole. and it will not make any difference to the economy because the tax payer will end up paying for them because the cuts put them there. if the right aka capitalist want to stay in the corridors of power then they will need to keep people working and start sharing out, but they will not do this because its socialism. you all ready got strikes looming, and theres going to be a lot more, the rank and file of the union are starting to say enough is enough. this is the last time you see the torys in power for a very long time and it got the good chance being the last time for good. it would be a shame to see the torys take the liberals with them. southy
  • Score: 0

12:28pm Wed 12 May 10

Bartonian says...

I see Chris Huhne is in charge of energy.

He will need all the help he can get, considering that the lights in Britain will start to go out by 2015.
I see Chris Huhne is in charge of energy. He will need all the help he can get, considering that the lights in Britain will start to go out by 2015. Bartonian
  • Score: 0

12:35pm Wed 12 May 10

derek james says...

the country is effectively bankrupt, national debt is twice the figure made public, when the dire straits of the finances that gordon has hidden are revealed, labour will be lucky to get in again this century
the country is effectively bankrupt, national debt is twice the figure made public, when the dire straits of the finances that gordon has hidden are revealed, labour will be lucky to get in again this century derek james
  • Score: 0

12:51pm Wed 12 May 10

southy says...

derek james wrote:
the country is effectively bankrupt, national debt is twice the figure made public, when the dire straits of the finances that gordon has hidden are revealed, labour will be lucky to get in again this century
we have been bankrupt since the 80's, we have had about 25 years where imports have been a hell of a lot greater than our exports, also what happen in the 80's tory government borrowed money from the wwii debt, at a higher interest rate, they done this so it would be hidden, this debt was down in the low millions in 79 and in the 80's it went up into the billions this debt is now paid off in full because of gorden brown so the torys will not be able to borrow from it again.
[quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: the country is effectively bankrupt, national debt is twice the figure made public, when the dire straits of the finances that gordon has hidden are revealed, labour will be lucky to get in again this century[/p][/quote]we have been bankrupt since the 80's, we have had about 25 years where imports have been a hell of a lot greater than our exports, also what happen in the 80's tory government borrowed money from the wwii debt, at a higher interest rate, they done this so it would be hidden, this debt was down in the low millions in 79 and in the 80's it went up into the billions this debt is now paid off in full because of gorden brown so the torys will not be able to borrow from it again. southy
  • Score: 0

12:54pm Wed 12 May 10

monkeenuts says...

How about all the people who voted Lib Dem to keep the Torys out? What are they supposed to think now? I give it about a week before the so called coalition start tearing themselves apart, aided by The Tabloids and 24 hour news.
How about all the people who voted Lib Dem to keep the Torys out? What are they supposed to think now? I give it about a week before the so called coalition start tearing themselves apart, aided by The Tabloids and 24 hour news. monkeenuts
  • Score: 0

12:54pm Wed 12 May 10

southy says...

those on the right keep saying this is britian and not greece, true but even here in britian we have our moments of revolution, and revolts, and its been a while now since the last one we are over due for another one to happen. just need the right trigger points.
those on the right keep saying this is britian and not greece, true but even here in britian we have our moments of revolution, and revolts, and its been a while now since the last one we are over due for another one to happen. just need the right trigger points. southy
  • Score: 0

1:36pm Wed 12 May 10

DCM says...

southy wrote:
those on the right keep saying this is britian and not greece, true but even here in britian we have our moments of revolution, and revolts, and its been a while now since the last one we are over due for another one to happen. just need the right trigger points.
Southy, it's been more than a while since our last revolution. I respect your opinions as I know you think them through, but you are simply wrong on this. Socialism is discredited and dead as a philosophy.
Is there anger at our present capitalist system? Of course there is, it's gone too far. But do we want to revert to socialism? No, not a chance, never. It simply will never happen in Britain - which is a good thing.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: those on the right keep saying this is britian and not greece, true but even here in britian we have our moments of revolution, and revolts, and its been a while now since the last one we are over due for another one to happen. just need the right trigger points.[/p][/quote]Southy, it's been more than a while since our last revolution. I respect your opinions as I know you think them through, but you are simply wrong on this. Socialism is discredited and dead as a philosophy. Is there anger at our present capitalist system? Of course there is, it's gone too far. But do we want to revert to socialism? No, not a chance, never. It simply will never happen in Britain - which is a good thing. DCM
  • Score: 0

1:42pm Wed 12 May 10

Brite Spark says...

Bartonian wrote:
I see Chris Huhne is in charge of energy.

He will need all the help he can get, considering that the lights in Britain will start to go out by 2015.
Crikey, sunset in town tonight is 20:44 I'd better stock up on the candles.
[quote][p][bold]Bartonian[/bold] wrote: I see Chris Huhne is in charge of energy. He will need all the help he can get, considering that the lights in Britain will start to go out by 2015.[/p][/quote]Crikey, sunset in town tonight is 20:44 I'd better stock up on the candles. Brite Spark
  • Score: 0

2:02pm Wed 12 May 10

southy says...

DCM wrote:
southy wrote:
those on the right keep saying this is britian and not greece, true but even here in britian we have our moments of revolution, and revolts, and its been a while now since the last one we are over due for another one to happen. just need the right trigger points.
Southy, it's been more than a while since our last revolution. I respect your opinions as I know you think them through, but you are simply wrong on this. Socialism is discredited and dead as a philosophy.
Is there anger at our present capitalist system? Of course there is, it's gone too far. But do we want to revert to socialism? No, not a chance, never. It simply will never happen in Britain - which is a good thing.
the last one was about 300 years ago. but theres been revots since then a fair number of them.
dead philosophy its on the build up all over the world, so it cant be that dead. its coming back and it going to be a lot stronger than before.
off course theres anger at the present capitalist system, this is because this is what capitalist system really means, wealth for the few poverty for the majority. we not had proper socialism in this country the best we ever done was centre left, a mix of right wing and left wing policy thats what the keynesian policy was all about.
and it will happen sooner or later, the unemployed and poorly paid will see to that.
take those two facts and think about them long and hard.
1/ the population is going to keep growing whitch in turn will mean more people not be able to find work or job in ther whole life time.
2/ technology is getting faster and better this to will mean less jobs for people.
tell me how you going to get round those problems with having a major war, or turning towards socialism. we had 3 major wars that slowed down the world turning to socialism the napoleonic wars, wwi and wwii and i cant see a major war looming soon not at the moment, but you never know some thing could trigger one off.
we would be better off making the change to socialism and be one of the first, so we dont become a third country.
[quote][p][bold]DCM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: those on the right keep saying this is britian and not greece, true but even here in britian we have our moments of revolution, and revolts, and its been a while now since the last one we are over due for another one to happen. just need the right trigger points.[/p][/quote]Southy, it's been more than a while since our last revolution. I respect your opinions as I know you think them through, but you are simply wrong on this. Socialism is discredited and dead as a philosophy. Is there anger at our present capitalist system? Of course there is, it's gone too far. But do we want to revert to socialism? No, not a chance, never. It simply will never happen in Britain - which is a good thing.[/p][/quote]the last one was about 300 years ago. but theres been revots since then a fair number of them. dead philosophy its on the build up all over the world, so it cant be that dead. its coming back and it going to be a lot stronger than before. off course theres anger at the present capitalist system, this is because this is what capitalist system really means, wealth for the few poverty for the majority. we not had proper socialism in this country the best we ever done was centre left, a mix of right wing and left wing policy thats what the keynesian policy was all about. and it will happen sooner or later, the unemployed and poorly paid will see to that. take those two facts and think about them long and hard. 1/ the population is going to keep growing whitch in turn will mean more people not be able to find work or job in ther whole life time. 2/ technology is getting faster and better this to will mean less jobs for people. tell me how you going to get round those problems with having a major war, or turning towards socialism. we had 3 major wars that slowed down the world turning to socialism the napoleonic wars, wwi and wwii and i cant see a major war looming soon not at the moment, but you never know some thing could trigger one off. we would be better off making the change to socialism and be one of the first, so we dont become a third country. southy
  • Score: 0

2:07pm Wed 12 May 10

southy says...

oh by the way DCM i only just heard, but do you know where your democrats will be on tues next week.
oh by the way DCM i only just heard, but do you know where your democrats will be on tues next week. southy
  • Score: 0

2:51pm Wed 12 May 10

DCM says...

southy wrote:
oh by the way DCM i only just heard, but do you know where your democrats will be on tues next week.
No, I don't. Are we talking local or national here. I'm at work so a little out of the loop as I can't access personal emails.

Oh, and there's a big difference between Keynsianism and socialism!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: oh by the way DCM i only just heard, but do you know where your democrats will be on tues next week.[/p][/quote]No, I don't. Are we talking local or national here. I'm at work so a little out of the loop as I can't access personal emails. Oh, and there's a big difference between Keynsianism and socialism! DCM
  • Score: 0

3:02pm Wed 12 May 10

damien thorn says...

i will just say to the rich torie fans ,capital gains tax ,fifty per cent , feeling happy ?
i will just say to the rich torie fans ,capital gains tax ,fifty per cent , feeling happy ? damien thorn
  • Score: 0

3:19pm Wed 12 May 10

Paramjit Bahia says...

By giving up good old Labour values and implementing Thatcherism the New Labour has left the nation in a total mess. This new government based on most unreliable and highly opportunist LibDems will use the excuse of mess they have inherited for complete destruction of services, which we the people have got used to.

I can't imagine this unholy Tory and LibDem alliance lasting long. But within the meantime it will do plenty of damage and make pips of working classes squeak.
By giving up good old Labour values and implementing Thatcherism the New Labour has left the nation in a total mess. This new government based on most unreliable and highly opportunist LibDems will use the excuse of mess they have inherited for complete destruction of services, which we the people have got used to. I can't imagine this unholy Tory and LibDem alliance lasting long. But within the meantime it will do plenty of damage and make pips of working classes squeak. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 0

3:45pm Wed 12 May 10

Bartonian says...

southy wrote:
those on the right keep saying this is britian and not greece, true but even here in britian we have our moments of revolution, and revolts, and its been a while now since the last one we are over due for another one to happen. just need the right trigger points.
I thought you said socialists were such peace loving people Southy? Just shows that they like to cause mayhem from within. Just look at Arthur Scargill.

If there is going to be trouble, it will be when people will not be able to heat their homes or travel where they want to. The reason? Energy. Most people are unaware that we are going to be facing a major energy crisis in the world as oil supply has probably peaked now. Those real power brokers, not political parties are in control, notably those involved in Common Purpose, Sustainable Towns initiative, Tri-lateral Commission and the Bildeburg group, who are all going to tell governments, irrespective of their ideological motives, what to do. Ideology is dead Southy. Get over it. Why don't to look into Bildeburg Southy and see who is involved in it? Kenneth Clarke is and he is in Common Purpose, just like Peter Mandleson and David Milliband etc. Maybe you can find or cannot find just how much money local authorities and their elites spend on this.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: those on the right keep saying this is britian and not greece, true but even here in britian we have our moments of revolution, and revolts, and its been a while now since the last one we are over due for another one to happen. just need the right trigger points.[/p][/quote]I thought you said socialists were such peace loving people Southy? Just shows that they like to cause mayhem from within. Just look at Arthur Scargill. If there is going to be trouble, it will be when people will not be able to heat their homes or travel where they want to. The reason? Energy. Most people are unaware that we are going to be facing a major energy crisis in the world as oil supply has probably peaked now. Those real power brokers, not political parties are in control, notably those involved in Common Purpose, Sustainable Towns initiative, Tri-lateral Commission and the Bildeburg group, who are all going to tell governments, irrespective of their ideological motives, what to do. Ideology is dead Southy. Get over it. Why don't to look into Bildeburg Southy and see who is involved in it? Kenneth Clarke is and he is in Common Purpose, just like Peter Mandleson and David Milliband etc. Maybe you can find or cannot find just how much money local authorities and their elites spend on this. Bartonian
  • Score: 0

3:57pm Wed 12 May 10

allsaintsnocurves says...

southy wrote:
derek james wrote: the country is effectively bankrupt, national debt is twice the figure made public, when the dire straits of the finances that gordon has hidden are revealed, labour will be lucky to get in again this century
we have been bankrupt since the 80's, we have had about 25 years where imports have been a hell of a lot greater than our exports, also what happen in the 80's tory government borrowed money from the wwii debt, at a higher interest rate, they done this so it would be hidden, this debt was down in the low millions in 79 and in the 80's it went up into the billions this debt is now paid off in full because of gorden brown so the torys will not be able to borrow from it again.
Southy you crack me up with your lack of knowledge! The fact that the UK has gone through one of the biggest booms in history during the Labour years...during which time they have thrown away billions on our Gold reserve, reducing world debt, the wars, throwing money into public services after effectively creating hundreds of extra administration jobs that meant the money just got lost in all the red tape and salaries!

This coalition is actually better than a Tory government majority...it has enabled them to give in to some of the Lib Dems better policies...and thankfully ensured that they didn't go ahead with some of their more radical policies. The fact that there is an agreement for 4 years on this deal has been designed to see it last...what happens after that is irrelevant...the country needs a solid parliament so why don't you give them a chance like the rest of the country should...like we did when New Labour took over!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: the country is effectively bankrupt, national debt is twice the figure made public, when the dire straits of the finances that gordon has hidden are revealed, labour will be lucky to get in again this century[/p][/quote]we have been bankrupt since the 80's, we have had about 25 years where imports have been a hell of a lot greater than our exports, also what happen in the 80's tory government borrowed money from the wwii debt, at a higher interest rate, they done this so it would be hidden, this debt was down in the low millions in 79 and in the 80's it went up into the billions this debt is now paid off in full because of gorden brown so the torys will not be able to borrow from it again.[/p][/quote]Southy you crack me up with your lack of knowledge! The fact that the UK has gone through one of the biggest booms in history during the Labour years...during which time they have thrown away billions on our Gold reserve, reducing world debt, the wars, throwing money into public services after effectively creating hundreds of extra administration jobs that meant the money just got lost in all the red tape and salaries! This coalition is actually better than a Tory government majority...it has enabled them to give in to some of the Lib Dems better policies...and thankfully ensured that they didn't go ahead with some of their more radical policies. The fact that there is an agreement for 4 years on this deal has been designed to see it last...what happens after that is irrelevant...the country needs a solid parliament so why don't you give them a chance like the rest of the country should...like we did when New Labour took over! allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: 0

4:00pm Wed 12 May 10

southy says...

DCM wrote:
southy wrote:
oh by the way DCM i only just heard, but do you know where your democrats will be on tues next week.
No, I don't. Are we talking local or national here. I'm at work so a little out of the loop as I can't access personal emails.

Oh, and there's a big difference between Keynsianism and socialism!
national just round the corner from the london union uni.

not that much of a difference between keynesian and socialism mind you any party that work the centre ground. weather it be centre right to centre left keynesian policy will work. its the policy that labour introduce back in 1945 and it work well, better than this neoliberalism and neonationalism those policy never did work to well not even back in the 1920 its to extreme right wing. part of it is fascism the same has what hitler used.
[quote][p][bold]DCM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: oh by the way DCM i only just heard, but do you know where your democrats will be on tues next week.[/p][/quote]No, I don't. Are we talking local or national here. I'm at work so a little out of the loop as I can't access personal emails. Oh, and there's a big difference between Keynsianism and socialism![/p][/quote]national just round the corner from the london union uni. not that much of a difference between keynesian and socialism mind you any party that work the centre ground. weather it be centre right to centre left keynesian policy will work. its the policy that labour introduce back in 1945 and it work well, better than this neoliberalism and neonationalism those policy never did work to well not even back in the 1920 its to extreme right wing. part of it is fascism the same has what hitler used. southy
  • Score: 0

4:03pm Wed 12 May 10

St.DaveH says...

Our government is now formed from two party’s with totally opposed moral ethic and policy, and does not bode well......The LDs and Clegg have sold their soul for a brief moment of limelight that will cost them dearly in future elections...Some of the LD electoral message must rankle deeply with their own voters....never again.....Why does it feel like a betrayal of democracy that the third place team ended up in a position of such power when they were not the choice of our population????

SW tiny-deal How apt...
Our government is now formed from two party’s with totally opposed moral ethic and policy, and does not bode well......The LDs and Clegg have sold their soul for a brief moment of limelight that will cost them dearly in future elections...Some of the LD electoral message must rankle deeply with their own voters....never again.....Why does it feel like a betrayal of democracy that the third place team ended up in a position of such power when they were not the choice of our population???? SW tiny-deal How apt... St.DaveH
  • Score: 0

4:21pm Wed 12 May 10

southy says...

Bartonian wrote:
southy wrote:
those on the right keep saying this is britian and not greece, true but even here in britian we have our moments of revolution, and revolts, and its been a while now since the last one we are over due for another one to happen. just need the right trigger points.
I thought you said socialists were such peace loving people Southy? Just shows that they like to cause mayhem from within. Just look at Arthur Scargill.

If there is going to be trouble, it will be when people will not be able to heat their homes or travel where they want to. The reason? Energy. Most people are unaware that we are going to be facing a major energy crisis in the world as oil supply has probably peaked now. Those real power brokers, not political parties are in control, notably those involved in Common Purpose, Sustainable Towns initiative, Tri-lateral Commission and the Bildeburg group, who are all going to tell governments, irrespective of their ideological motives, what to do. Ideology is dead Southy. Get over it. Why don't to look into Bildeburg Southy and see who is involved in it? Kenneth Clarke is and he is in Common Purpose, just like Peter Mandleson and David Milliband etc. Maybe you can find or cannot find just how much money local authorities and their elites spend on this.
bartoian i know what your aiming at, the socialist will avoid conflict if it can, but theres all ways a limit you can push people before they say enough is enough.
if there is an energy crisis whos fault will that be, look back to the 80's and the closing down the pits, we have 300 plus years off coal, you can get every product that you get out of oil out of coal, and the left overs the coke go's towards making the best steel that can be made and to produce electric coke burns a lot hotter and a lot longer than just plain coal, and this brown coal that they use now burns quicker than black coal the type of coal we get here in the uk.
i do know about the bildeburg and you missed out some names thatchers, archer, bush family and the nixons family, all need to be brought to book. plus blair, get the socialist in power and some thing will be done about them.
clark is one of the names that came up who has dealing in removing sites from facebook about what is happening greece and why.
we are watching
[quote][p][bold]Bartonian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: those on the right keep saying this is britian and not greece, true but even here in britian we have our moments of revolution, and revolts, and its been a while now since the last one we are over due for another one to happen. just need the right trigger points.[/p][/quote]I thought you said socialists were such peace loving people Southy? Just shows that they like to cause mayhem from within. Just look at Arthur Scargill. If there is going to be trouble, it will be when people will not be able to heat their homes or travel where they want to. The reason? Energy. Most people are unaware that we are going to be facing a major energy crisis in the world as oil supply has probably peaked now. Those real power brokers, not political parties are in control, notably those involved in Common Purpose, Sustainable Towns initiative, Tri-lateral Commission and the Bildeburg group, who are all going to tell governments, irrespective of their ideological motives, what to do. Ideology is dead Southy. Get over it. Why don't to look into Bildeburg Southy and see who is involved in it? Kenneth Clarke is and he is in Common Purpose, just like Peter Mandleson and David Milliband etc. Maybe you can find or cannot find just how much money local authorities and their elites spend on this.[/p][/quote]bartoian i know what your aiming at, the socialist will avoid conflict if it can, but theres all ways a limit you can push people before they say enough is enough. if there is an energy crisis whos fault will that be, look back to the 80's and the closing down the pits, we have 300 plus years off coal, you can get every product that you get out of oil out of coal, and the left overs the coke go's towards making the best steel that can be made and to produce electric coke burns a lot hotter and a lot longer than just plain coal, and this brown coal that they use now burns quicker than black coal the type of coal we get here in the uk. i do know about the bildeburg and you missed out some names thatchers, archer, bush family and the nixons family, all need to be brought to book. plus blair, get the socialist in power and some thing will be done about them. clark is one of the names that came up who has dealing in removing sites from facebook about what is happening greece and why. we are watching southy
  • Score: 0

4:31pm Wed 12 May 10

southy says...

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
southy wrote:
derek james wrote: the country is effectively bankrupt, national debt is twice the figure made public, when the dire straits of the finances that gordon has hidden are revealed, labour will be lucky to get in again this century
we have been bankrupt since the 80's, we have had about 25 years where imports have been a hell of a lot greater than our exports, also what happen in the 80's tory government borrowed money from the wwii debt, at a higher interest rate, they done this so it would be hidden, this debt was down in the low millions in 79 and in the 80's it went up into the billions this debt is now paid off in full because of gorden brown so the torys will not be able to borrow from it again.
Southy you crack me up with your lack of knowledge! The fact that the UK has gone through one of the biggest booms in history during the Labour years...during which time they have thrown away billions on our Gold reserve, reducing world debt, the wars, throwing money into public services after effectively creating hundreds of extra administration jobs that meant the money just got lost in all the red tape and salaries!

This coalition is actually better than a Tory government majority...it has enabled them to give in to some of the Lib Dems better policies...and thankfully ensured that they didn't go ahead with some of their more radical policies. The fact that there is an agreement for 4 years on this deal has been designed to see it last...what happens after that is irrelevant...the country needs a solid parliament so why don't you give them a chance like the rest of the country should...like we did when New Labour took over!
politics you need to under stand more your way off. look back into history and look at all what it lead up to. like unemployment has not been below the 1 million mark since 1979. and the export and import while imports is far greater than our exports money is leaving the country in a very large amount that alone is in the high billions. then look at the wealthy and where they keep there money that to go's into the billions all because they dont want to pay english tax on the interest but they want every thing the uk can offer and more but dont want to help pay for it.
i know its way over your head, but britain boom was pre-80's after that it was all down hill and still going down hill.
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: the country is effectively bankrupt, national debt is twice the figure made public, when the dire straits of the finances that gordon has hidden are revealed, labour will be lucky to get in again this century[/p][/quote]we have been bankrupt since the 80's, we have had about 25 years where imports have been a hell of a lot greater than our exports, also what happen in the 80's tory government borrowed money from the wwii debt, at a higher interest rate, they done this so it would be hidden, this debt was down in the low millions in 79 and in the 80's it went up into the billions this debt is now paid off in full because of gorden brown so the torys will not be able to borrow from it again.[/p][/quote]Southy you crack me up with your lack of knowledge! The fact that the UK has gone through one of the biggest booms in history during the Labour years...during which time they have thrown away billions on our Gold reserve, reducing world debt, the wars, throwing money into public services after effectively creating hundreds of extra administration jobs that meant the money just got lost in all the red tape and salaries! This coalition is actually better than a Tory government majority...it has enabled them to give in to some of the Lib Dems better policies...and thankfully ensured that they didn't go ahead with some of their more radical policies. The fact that there is an agreement for 4 years on this deal has been designed to see it last...what happens after that is irrelevant...the country needs a solid parliament so why don't you give them a chance like the rest of the country should...like we did when New Labour took over![/p][/quote]politics you need to under stand more your way off. look back into history and look at all what it lead up to. like unemployment has not been below the 1 million mark since 1979. and the export and import while imports is far greater than our exports money is leaving the country in a very large amount that alone is in the high billions. then look at the wealthy and where they keep there money that to go's into the billions all because they dont want to pay english tax on the interest but they want every thing the uk can offer and more but dont want to help pay for it. i know its way over your head, but britain boom was pre-80's after that it was all down hill and still going down hill. southy
  • Score: 0

4:47pm Wed 12 May 10

aghhhhh says...

Shame on you!
The Lib Dems canvassed with the message they were the only ones who could stop conservatives getting in. They should never be trusted again
Shame on you! The Lib Dems canvassed with the message they were the only ones who could stop conservatives getting in. They should never be trusted again aghhhhh
  • Score: 0

4:48pm Wed 12 May 10

allsaintsnocurves says...

St.DaveH wrote:
Our government is now formed from two party’s with totally opposed moral ethic and policy, and does not bode well......The LDs and Clegg have sold their soul for a brief moment of limelight that will cost them dearly in future elections...Some of the LD electoral message must rankle deeply with their own voters....never again.....Why does it feel like a betrayal of democracy that the third place team ended up in a position of such power when they were not the choice of our population???? SW tiny-deal How apt...
The Lib Dems had enough seats where the public had voted for them to add to the Tories to make a majority party so as long as both parties could agree to unite as one for the good of the country then they could form a coalition. There was a lot of selflessness going on between the 2 parties that ensure a resolution was made each dropping certain policies and agreeing on others...I don't know why other people can't see that what they did was for the good of the country!!
[quote][p][bold]St.DaveH[/bold] wrote: Our government is now formed from two party’s with totally opposed moral ethic and policy, and does not bode well......The LDs and Clegg have sold their soul for a brief moment of limelight that will cost them dearly in future elections...Some of the LD electoral message must rankle deeply with their own voters....never again.....Why does it feel like a betrayal of democracy that the third place team ended up in a position of such power when they were not the choice of our population???? SW tiny-deal How apt...[/p][/quote]The Lib Dems had enough seats where the public had voted for them to add to the Tories to make a majority party so as long as both parties could agree to unite as one for the good of the country then they could form a coalition. There was a lot of selflessness going on between the 2 parties that ensure a resolution was made each dropping certain policies and agreeing on others...I don't know why other people can't see that what they did was for the good of the country!! allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: 0

5:05pm Wed 12 May 10

DCM says...

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
St.DaveH wrote: Our government is now formed from two party’s with totally opposed moral ethic and policy, and does not bode well......The LDs and Clegg have sold their soul for a brief moment of limelight that will cost them dearly in future elections...Some of the LD electoral message must rankle deeply with their own voters....never again.....Why does it feel like a betrayal of democracy that the third place team ended up in a position of such power when they were not the choice of our population???? SW tiny-deal How apt...
The Lib Dems had enough seats where the public had voted for them to add to the Tories to make a majority party so as long as both parties could agree to unite as one for the good of the country then they could form a coalition. There was a lot of selflessness going on between the 2 parties that ensure a resolution was made each dropping certain policies and agreeing on others...I don't know why other people can't see that what they did was for the good of the country!!
It's nice to see some on here understand that this result is good for democracy, not bad for it. Cheers allsaintsnocurves.
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.DaveH[/bold] wrote: Our government is now formed from two party’s with totally opposed moral ethic and policy, and does not bode well......The LDs and Clegg have sold their soul for a brief moment of limelight that will cost them dearly in future elections...Some of the LD electoral message must rankle deeply with their own voters....never again.....Why does it feel like a betrayal of democracy that the third place team ended up in a position of such power when they were not the choice of our population???? SW tiny-deal How apt...[/p][/quote]The Lib Dems had enough seats where the public had voted for them to add to the Tories to make a majority party so as long as both parties could agree to unite as one for the good of the country then they could form a coalition. There was a lot of selflessness going on between the 2 parties that ensure a resolution was made each dropping certain policies and agreeing on others...I don't know why other people can't see that what they did was for the good of the country!![/p][/quote]It's nice to see some on here understand that this result is good for democracy, not bad for it. Cheers allsaintsnocurves. DCM
  • Score: 0

5:27pm Wed 12 May 10

Lone Ranger says...

DCM wrote:
allsaintsnocurves wrote:
St.DaveH wrote: Our government is now formed from two party’s with totally opposed moral ethic and policy, and does not bode well......The LDs and Clegg have sold their soul for a brief moment of limelight that will cost them dearly in future elections...Some of the LD electoral message must rankle deeply with their own voters....never again.....Why does it feel like a betrayal of democracy that the third place team ended up in a position of such power when they were not the choice of our population???? SW tiny-deal How apt...
The Lib Dems had enough seats where the public had voted for them to add to the Tories to make a majority party so as long as both parties could agree to unite as one for the good of the country then they could form a coalition. There was a lot of selflessness going on between the 2 parties that ensure a resolution was made each dropping certain policies and agreeing on others...I don't know why other people can't see that what they did was for the good of the country!!
It's nice to see some on here understand that this result is good for democracy, not bad for it. Cheers allsaintsnocurves.
I think you miss the point.
.
Most Lib Dems voted to keep the Tories out. Had they wanted Tories they would have voted for them.
.
The heirarchy of Tories despise everything about the Libs ans are furious about the concessions made.
.
Clegg and Cameron have decided out of pure desperation to unite.
.
Clegg will never ever get this opportunity again and with a few mates from his party on the cabinet he could not care about the rest of his party. I mean deputy PM for gods sake.
.
Cameron is just desperate. So desperate to cros No 10 threashold that he would have traded his Grandmother. He also had to try and save face under the pressure of the money man Ashcroft.
.
Dont ever try and convince me that this was done for the good of the Nation.
.
It was done for good of two desperate men who want a bit of power on their CV.....and no other reason.
.
Believe me i hope they make it work. However i think that they will screw this country good and proper when you look at their "backroom" staff
[quote][p][bold]DCM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.DaveH[/bold] wrote: Our government is now formed from two party’s with totally opposed moral ethic and policy, and does not bode well......The LDs and Clegg have sold their soul for a brief moment of limelight that will cost them dearly in future elections...Some of the LD electoral message must rankle deeply with their own voters....never again.....Why does it feel like a betrayal of democracy that the third place team ended up in a position of such power when they were not the choice of our population???? SW tiny-deal How apt...[/p][/quote]The Lib Dems had enough seats where the public had voted for them to add to the Tories to make a majority party so as long as both parties could agree to unite as one for the good of the country then they could form a coalition. There was a lot of selflessness going on between the 2 parties that ensure a resolution was made each dropping certain policies and agreeing on others...I don't know why other people can't see that what they did was for the good of the country!![/p][/quote]It's nice to see some on here understand that this result is good for democracy, not bad for it. Cheers allsaintsnocurves.[/p][/quote]I think you miss the point. . Most Lib Dems voted to keep the Tories out. Had they wanted Tories they would have voted for them. . The heirarchy of Tories despise everything about the Libs ans are furious about the concessions made. . Clegg and Cameron have decided out of pure desperation to unite. . Clegg will never ever get this opportunity again and with a few mates from his party on the cabinet he could not care about the rest of his party. I mean deputy PM for gods sake. . Cameron is just desperate. So desperate to cros No 10 threashold that he would have traded his Grandmother. He also had to try and save face under the pressure of the money man Ashcroft. . Dont ever try and convince me that this was done for the good of the Nation. . It was done for good of two desperate men who want a bit of power on their CV.....and no other reason. . Believe me i hope they make it work. However i think that they will screw this country good and proper when you look at their "backroom" staff Lone Ranger
  • Score: 0

6:17pm Wed 12 May 10

forest hump says...

Lone Ranger wrote:
DCM wrote:
allsaintsnocurves wrote:
St.DaveH wrote: Our government is now formed from two party’s with totally opposed moral ethic and policy, and does not bode well......The LDs and Clegg have sold their soul for a brief moment of limelight that will cost them dearly in future elections...Some of the LD electoral message must rankle deeply with their own voters....never again.....Why does it feel like a betrayal of democracy that the third place team ended up in a position of such power when they were not the choice of our population???? SW tiny-deal How apt...
The Lib Dems had enough seats where the public had voted for them to add to the Tories to make a majority party so as long as both parties could agree to unite as one for the good of the country then they could form a coalition. There was a lot of selflessness going on between the 2 parties that ensure a resolution was made each dropping certain policies and agreeing on others...I don't know why other people can't see that what they did was for the good of the country!!
It's nice to see some on here understand that this result is good for democracy, not bad for it. Cheers allsaintsnocurves.
I think you miss the point. . Most Lib Dems voted to keep the Tories out. Had they wanted Tories they would have voted for them. . The heirarchy of Tories despise everything about the Libs ans are furious about the concessions made. . Clegg and Cameron have decided out of pure desperation to unite. . Clegg will never ever get this opportunity again and with a few mates from his party on the cabinet he could not care about the rest of his party. I mean deputy PM for gods sake. . Cameron is just desperate. So desperate to cros No 10 threashold that he would have traded his Grandmother. He also had to try and save face under the pressure of the money man Ashcroft. . Dont ever try and convince me that this was done for the good of the Nation. . It was done for good of two desperate men who want a bit of power on their CV.....and no other reason. . Believe me i hope they make it work. However i think that they will screw this country good and proper when you look at their "backroom" staff
LR, totally agree. When it comes to pompus vanity, these two take the biscuit. Let's not forget, just a few weeks' back they were at each other's throats! I would not trust any of them. Out to feather own nests. Could not give a hoot for you and I! just wait.....it will end in tears!
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DCM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.DaveH[/bold] wrote: Our government is now formed from two party’s with totally opposed moral ethic and policy, and does not bode well......The LDs and Clegg have sold their soul for a brief moment of limelight that will cost them dearly in future elections...Some of the LD electoral message must rankle deeply with their own voters....never again.....Why does it feel like a betrayal of democracy that the third place team ended up in a position of such power when they were not the choice of our population???? SW tiny-deal How apt...[/p][/quote]The Lib Dems had enough seats where the public had voted for them to add to the Tories to make a majority party so as long as both parties could agree to unite as one for the good of the country then they could form a coalition. There was a lot of selflessness going on between the 2 parties that ensure a resolution was made each dropping certain policies and agreeing on others...I don't know why other people can't see that what they did was for the good of the country!![/p][/quote]It's nice to see some on here understand that this result is good for democracy, not bad for it. Cheers allsaintsnocurves.[/p][/quote]I think you miss the point. . Most Lib Dems voted to keep the Tories out. Had they wanted Tories they would have voted for them. . The heirarchy of Tories despise everything about the Libs ans are furious about the concessions made. . Clegg and Cameron have decided out of pure desperation to unite. . Clegg will never ever get this opportunity again and with a few mates from his party on the cabinet he could not care about the rest of his party. I mean deputy PM for gods sake. . Cameron is just desperate. So desperate to cros No 10 threashold that he would have traded his Grandmother. He also had to try and save face under the pressure of the money man Ashcroft. . Dont ever try and convince me that this was done for the good of the Nation. . It was done for good of two desperate men who want a bit of power on their CV.....and no other reason. . Believe me i hope they make it work. However i think that they will screw this country good and proper when you look at their "backroom" staff[/p][/quote]LR, totally agree. When it comes to pompus vanity, these two take the biscuit. Let's not forget, just a few weeks' back they were at each other's throats! I would not trust any of them. Out to feather own nests. Could not give a hoot for you and I! just wait.....it will end in tears! forest hump
  • Score: 0

7:27pm Wed 12 May 10

Linesman says...

DCM wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote: One thing for sure is that the gutter press will have already got down to preparing articles aimed at causing splits in the Government from the start, they will be searching every nook and cranny to create mischief, look for every minor indiscretion to plaster over the front pages and do everything they can to disrupt the normal running of the Parliament, all in the interests of selling their grotty newspapers.
Unfortunately you are totally correct. Much of the press in this country is a disgrace.
There will be no need for the gutter press, or any other section of the press, to prepare articles aimed at causing splits in this mixture of 'chalk and cheese' because it is already there as evidenced by Drax, the Tory MP.
What also has to be remembered is that the Dem part of the LibDem Party has its roots in the Labour Party, and had more in common with Labour than with the Tories.
So, when the cracks being to appear, do not blame the press for reporting it. That is their job.
I think that what we have seen in the past few days is an example of what we can expect after every General Election if we are fool enough to adopt proportional representation.
No party will have a mandate to govern, and having to continually compromise does not result in effective government.
I forecast that it will not be a very long honeymoon period before the signs of domestic strife appear.
[quote][p][bold]DCM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: One thing for sure is that the gutter press will have already got down to preparing articles aimed at causing splits in the Government from the start, they will be searching every nook and cranny to create mischief, look for every minor indiscretion to plaster over the front pages and do everything they can to disrupt the normal running of the Parliament, all in the interests of selling their grotty newspapers.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately you are totally correct. Much of the press in this country is a disgrace.[/p][/quote]There will be no need for the gutter press, or any other section of the press, to prepare articles aimed at causing splits in this mixture of 'chalk and cheese' because it is already there as evidenced by Drax, the Tory MP. What also has to be remembered is that the Dem part of the LibDem Party has its roots in the Labour Party, and had more in common with Labour than with the Tories. So, when the cracks being to appear, do not blame the press for reporting it. That is their job. I think that what we have seen in the past few days is an example of what we can expect after every General Election if we are fool enough to adopt proportional representation. No party will have a mandate to govern, and having to continually compromise does not result in effective government. I forecast that it will not be a very long honeymoon period before the signs of domestic strife appear. Linesman
  • Score: 0

7:37pm Wed 12 May 10

allsaintsnocurves says...

What is the point of the Lib Dems trying to disable to coalition between them and the Tories now? It is for the good of the country that they have alligned themselves and unless you don't really care about your country I suggest you support them and see what good they can do first! Unless you are so simpleminded and can not see this! Jeez it's so doom and gloom this country...that's what labour has done in the last 13 years!

Thankfully both Clegg and Cameron have the whole of Britain's interests at heart and not just their homeland!
What is the point of the Lib Dems trying to disable to coalition between them and the Tories now? It is for the good of the country that they have alligned themselves and unless you don't really care about your country I suggest you support them and see what good they can do first! Unless you are so simpleminded and can not see this! Jeez it's so doom and gloom this country...that's what labour has done in the last 13 years! Thankfully both Clegg and Cameron have the whole of Britain's interests at heart and not just their homeland! allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: 0

7:54pm Wed 12 May 10

The Wickham Man says...

southy wrote:
derek james wrote:
the country is effectively bankrupt, national debt is twice the figure made public, when the dire straits of the finances that gordon has hidden are revealed, labour will be lucky to get in again this century
we have been bankrupt since the 80's, we have had about 25 years where imports have been a hell of a lot greater than our exports, also what happen in the 80's tory government borrowed money from the wwii debt, at a higher interest rate, they done this so it would be hidden, this debt was down in the low millions in 79 and in the 80's it went up into the billions this debt is now paid off in full because of gorden brown so the torys will not be able to borrow from it again.
One minute Dopey is distancing himself from Labour then 7 seconds later like a goldfish he forgets that he called them right wing capitalists and starts praising them again. He's even licking Gordon Goldseller's boots again. The point is you actually understand nothing about economics Dopey - you just show off like a kid by copying "facts" off the internet and copying them like a parrot to try and look clever. Tell us which "debt" you think was in the low millions in 1979 - was it the PSBR, the current account, short term gilts, Treasury Stock....
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: the country is effectively bankrupt, national debt is twice the figure made public, when the dire straits of the finances that gordon has hidden are revealed, labour will be lucky to get in again this century[/p][/quote]we have been bankrupt since the 80's, we have had about 25 years where imports have been a hell of a lot greater than our exports, also what happen in the 80's tory government borrowed money from the wwii debt, at a higher interest rate, they done this so it would be hidden, this debt was down in the low millions in 79 and in the 80's it went up into the billions this debt is now paid off in full because of gorden brown so the torys will not be able to borrow from it again.[/p][/quote]One minute Dopey is distancing himself from Labour then 7 seconds later like a goldfish he forgets that he called them right wing capitalists and starts praising them again. He's even licking Gordon Goldseller's boots again. The point is you actually understand nothing about economics Dopey - you just show off like a kid by copying "facts" off the internet and copying them like a parrot to try and look clever. Tell us which "debt" you think was in the low millions in 1979 - was it the PSBR, the current account, short term gilts, Treasury Stock.... The Wickham Man
  • Score: 0

8:05pm Wed 12 May 10

Linesman says...

When the solids hit the fan in the not to distant future, and unpopular decisions have to be taken, there is only so much that they can blame on the previous administration. At some time, the mistake or unpopular decision has to be their own, and that is when one party will be blaming the other.
A coalition government was successful during the war because the cause of the trouble was easily identified, and there was only one way to deal with it. They were all united, working together with one aim in mind.
That is not the case now.
Finance? They are divided.
Europe? They are divided.
Voting reform? They are divided.
Hunting? They are divided.
"Thankfully both Clegg and Cameron have the whole of Britain's interests at heart and not just their homeland!"
I like people who have a good sense of humour, and you certainly appear to have that in abundance.
When the solids hit the fan in the not to distant future, and unpopular decisions have to be taken, there is only so much that they can blame on the previous administration. At some time, the mistake or unpopular decision has to be their own, and that is when one party will be blaming the other. A coalition government was successful during the war because the cause of the trouble was easily identified, and there was only one way to deal with it. They were all united, working together with one aim in mind. That is not the case now. Finance? They are divided. Europe? They are divided. Voting reform? They are divided. Hunting? They are divided. "Thankfully both Clegg and Cameron have the whole of Britain's interests at heart and not just their homeland!" I like people who have a good sense of humour, and you certainly appear to have that in abundance. Linesman
  • Score: 0

8:06pm Wed 12 May 10

forest hump says...

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
What is the point of the Lib Dems trying to disable to coalition between them and the Tories now? It is for the good of the country that they have alligned themselves and unless you don't really care about your country I suggest you support them and see what good they can do first! Unless you are so simpleminded and can not see this! Jeez it's so doom and gloom this country...that's what labour has done in the last 13 years! Thankfully both Clegg and Cameron have the whole of Britain's interests at heart and not just their homeland!
If you beleive Clegg and Cameron have the interests of the Country at heart you are very naive! Unfortunately, vanity and personal gain prevail. They have both demonstrated they are fickle.
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: What is the point of the Lib Dems trying to disable to coalition between them and the Tories now? It is for the good of the country that they have alligned themselves and unless you don't really care about your country I suggest you support them and see what good they can do first! Unless you are so simpleminded and can not see this! Jeez it's so doom and gloom this country...that's what labour has done in the last 13 years! Thankfully both Clegg and Cameron have the whole of Britain's interests at heart and not just their homeland![/p][/quote]If you beleive Clegg and Cameron have the interests of the Country at heart you are very naive! Unfortunately, vanity and personal gain prevail. They have both demonstrated they are fickle. forest hump
  • Score: 0

9:35pm Wed 12 May 10

southy says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
southy wrote:
derek james wrote:
the country is effectively bankrupt, national debt is twice the figure made public, when the dire straits of the finances that gordon has hidden are revealed, labour will be lucky to get in again this century
we have been bankrupt since the 80's, we have had about 25 years where imports have been a hell of a lot greater than our exports, also what happen in the 80's tory government borrowed money from the wwii debt, at a higher interest rate, they done this so it would be hidden, this debt was down in the low millions in 79 and in the 80's it went up into the billions this debt is now paid off in full because of gorden brown so the torys will not be able to borrow from it again.
One minute Dopey is distancing himself from Labour then 7 seconds later like a goldfish he forgets that he called them right wing capitalists and starts praising them again. He's even licking Gordon Goldseller's boots again. The point is you actually understand nothing about economics Dopey - you just show off like a kid by copying "facts" off the internet and copying them like a parrot to try and look clever. Tell us which "debt" you think was in the low millions in 1979 - was it the PSBR, the current account, short term gilts, Treasury Stock....
only dopey one is you, your unable to tell the difference between old labour and nu-labour. old labour pre-kinnock was a centre to left party. nu-labour is pure right wing party.
your not very bright at all are you i did say the wwii war debt was in the low millions, thatcher borrowed against that and push it back up into the billions so she could hide the amount she borrowed dopey.
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: the country is effectively bankrupt, national debt is twice the figure made public, when the dire straits of the finances that gordon has hidden are revealed, labour will be lucky to get in again this century[/p][/quote]we have been bankrupt since the 80's, we have had about 25 years where imports have been a hell of a lot greater than our exports, also what happen in the 80's tory government borrowed money from the wwii debt, at a higher interest rate, they done this so it would be hidden, this debt was down in the low millions in 79 and in the 80's it went up into the billions this debt is now paid off in full because of gorden brown so the torys will not be able to borrow from it again.[/p][/quote]One minute Dopey is distancing himself from Labour then 7 seconds later like a goldfish he forgets that he called them right wing capitalists and starts praising them again. He's even licking Gordon Goldseller's boots again. The point is you actually understand nothing about economics Dopey - you just show off like a kid by copying "facts" off the internet and copying them like a parrot to try and look clever. Tell us which "debt" you think was in the low millions in 1979 - was it the PSBR, the current account, short term gilts, Treasury Stock....[/p][/quote]only dopey one is you, your unable to tell the difference between old labour and nu-labour. old labour pre-kinnock was a centre to left party. nu-labour is pure right wing party. your not very bright at all are you i did say the wwii war debt was in the low millions, thatcher borrowed against that and push it back up into the billions so she could hide the amount she borrowed dopey. southy
  • Score: 0

9:37pm Wed 12 May 10

southy says...

heres a warning to all you liberal supporters and voters guardian.co.uk/polit
ics/2010/mar/11/nick
-clegg-praises-marga
ret-
thatcher god help us all!
heres a warning to all you liberal supporters and voters guardian.co.uk/polit ics/2010/mar/11/nick -clegg-praises-marga ret- thatcher god help us all! southy
  • Score: 0

9:48pm Wed 12 May 10

The Wickham Man says...

southy wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
southy wrote:
derek james wrote:
the country is effectively bankrupt, national debt is twice the figure made public, when the dire straits of the finances that gordon has hidden are revealed, labour will be lucky to get in again this century
we have been bankrupt since the 80's, we have had about 25 years where imports have been a hell of a lot greater than our exports, also what happen in the 80's tory government borrowed money from the wwii debt, at a higher interest rate, they done this so it would be hidden, this debt was down in the low millions in 79 and in the 80's it went up into the billions this debt is now paid off in full because of gorden brown so the torys will not be able to borrow from it again.
One minute Dopey is distancing himself from Labour then 7 seconds later like a goldfish he forgets that he called them right wing capitalists and starts praising them again. He's even licking Gordon Goldseller's boots again. The point is you actually understand nothing about economics Dopey - you just show off like a kid by copying "facts" off the internet and copying them like a parrot to try and look clever. Tell us which "debt" you think was in the low millions in 1979 - was it the PSBR, the current account, short term gilts, Treasury Stock....
only dopey one is you, your unable to tell the difference between old labour and nu-labour. old labour pre-kinnock was a centre to left party. nu-labour is pure right wing party.
your not very bright at all are you i did say the wwii war debt was in the low millions, thatcher borrowed against that and push it back up into the billions so she could hide the amount she borrowed dopey.
So Dopey you can't tell us anything about the so called debt because you don't actually know, so you change the subject as usual. Gordon Brown is actually New Labour (ie a right wing capitalist)but there you are singing his praises like a hero worshipping kid anyway,so it's irrelevant. Anyway you were going to explain to us exactly which category of debt you were referring to. Are you going to? There is more than one and in any case whatever action was taken in 1979 would have been the result of what had gone on before. Only a retard thinks the world changes the second a new government comes in. Oh yes, I was forgetting, you are a real retard.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: the country is effectively bankrupt, national debt is twice the figure made public, when the dire straits of the finances that gordon has hidden are revealed, labour will be lucky to get in again this century[/p][/quote]we have been bankrupt since the 80's, we have had about 25 years where imports have been a hell of a lot greater than our exports, also what happen in the 80's tory government borrowed money from the wwii debt, at a higher interest rate, they done this so it would be hidden, this debt was down in the low millions in 79 and in the 80's it went up into the billions this debt is now paid off in full because of gorden brown so the torys will not be able to borrow from it again.[/p][/quote]One minute Dopey is distancing himself from Labour then 7 seconds later like a goldfish he forgets that he called them right wing capitalists and starts praising them again. He's even licking Gordon Goldseller's boots again. The point is you actually understand nothing about economics Dopey - you just show off like a kid by copying "facts" off the internet and copying them like a parrot to try and look clever. Tell us which "debt" you think was in the low millions in 1979 - was it the PSBR, the current account, short term gilts, Treasury Stock....[/p][/quote]only dopey one is you, your unable to tell the difference between old labour and nu-labour. old labour pre-kinnock was a centre to left party. nu-labour is pure right wing party. your not very bright at all are you i did say the wwii war debt was in the low millions, thatcher borrowed against that and push it back up into the billions so she could hide the amount she borrowed dopey.[/p][/quote]So Dopey you can't tell us anything about the so called debt because you don't actually know, so you change the subject as usual. Gordon Brown is actually New Labour (ie a right wing capitalist)but there you are singing his praises like a hero worshipping kid anyway,so it's irrelevant. Anyway you were going to explain to us exactly which category of debt you were referring to. Are you going to? There is more than one and in any case whatever action was taken in 1979 would have been the result of what had gone on before. Only a retard thinks the world changes the second a new government comes in. Oh yes, I was forgetting, you are a real retard. The Wickham Man
  • Score: 0

10:00pm Wed 12 May 10

southy says...

i did not change the subject you tired to dopey. nor am i singing his prises just stating a fact that he did clear the wwii debt loan from the usa. your right on about whats gone on before to can go back to the 1920 with some of the debts oh look who was in power back then, was't it the tory-con party yet again, it was not the labour party thats for sure.
right wing aka capitalist dont care how much debt they run up because they dont pay it, its the ordinary people that end up paying for it. just think about a lot longer than you are
i did not change the subject you tired to dopey. nor am i singing his prises just stating a fact that he did clear the wwii debt loan from the usa. your right on about whats gone on before to can go back to the 1920 with some of the debts oh look who was in power back then, was't it the tory-con party yet again, it was not the labour party thats for sure. right wing aka capitalist dont care how much debt they run up because they dont pay it, its the ordinary people that end up paying for it. just think about a lot longer than you are southy
  • Score: 0

11:27pm Wed 12 May 10

Linesman says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
southy wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
southy wrote:
derek james wrote: the country is effectively bankrupt, national debt is twice the figure made public, when the dire straits of the finances that gordon has hidden are revealed, labour will be lucky to get in again this century
we have been bankrupt since the 80's, we have had about 25 years where imports have been a hell of a lot greater than our exports, also what happen in the 80's tory government borrowed money from the wwii debt, at a higher interest rate, they done this so it would be hidden, this debt was down in the low millions in 79 and in the 80's it went up into the billions this debt is now paid off in full because of gorden brown so the torys will not be able to borrow from it again.
One minute Dopey is distancing himself from Labour then 7 seconds later like a goldfish he forgets that he called them right wing capitalists and starts praising them again. He's even licking Gordon Goldseller's boots again. The point is you actually understand nothing about economics Dopey - you just show off like a kid by copying "facts" off the internet and copying them like a parrot to try and look clever. Tell us which "debt" you think was in the low millions in 1979 - was it the PSBR, the current account, short term gilts, Treasury Stock....
only dopey one is you, your unable to tell the difference between old labour and nu-labour. old labour pre-kinnock was a centre to left party. nu-labour is pure right wing party. your not very bright at all are you i did say the wwii war debt was in the low millions, thatcher borrowed against that and push it back up into the billions so she could hide the amount she borrowed dopey.
So Dopey you can't tell us anything about the so called debt because you don't actually know, so you change the subject as usual. Gordon Brown is actually New Labour (ie a right wing capitalist)but there you are singing his praises like a hero worshipping kid anyway,so it's irrelevant. Anyway you were going to explain to us exactly which category of debt you were referring to. Are you going to? There is more than one and in any case whatever action was taken in 1979 would have been the result of what had gone on before. Only a retard thinks the world changes the second a new government comes in. Oh yes, I was forgetting, you are a real retard.
Adults resorting to name calling whilst trying to sort out international debt!
Pathetic!
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: the country is effectively bankrupt, national debt is twice the figure made public, when the dire straits of the finances that gordon has hidden are revealed, labour will be lucky to get in again this century[/p][/quote]we have been bankrupt since the 80's, we have had about 25 years where imports have been a hell of a lot greater than our exports, also what happen in the 80's tory government borrowed money from the wwii debt, at a higher interest rate, they done this so it would be hidden, this debt was down in the low millions in 79 and in the 80's it went up into the billions this debt is now paid off in full because of gorden brown so the torys will not be able to borrow from it again.[/p][/quote]One minute Dopey is distancing himself from Labour then 7 seconds later like a goldfish he forgets that he called them right wing capitalists and starts praising them again. He's even licking Gordon Goldseller's boots again. The point is you actually understand nothing about economics Dopey - you just show off like a kid by copying "facts" off the internet and copying them like a parrot to try and look clever. Tell us which "debt" you think was in the low millions in 1979 - was it the PSBR, the current account, short term gilts, Treasury Stock....[/p][/quote]only dopey one is you, your unable to tell the difference between old labour and nu-labour. old labour pre-kinnock was a centre to left party. nu-labour is pure right wing party. your not very bright at all are you i did say the wwii war debt was in the low millions, thatcher borrowed against that and push it back up into the billions so she could hide the amount she borrowed dopey.[/p][/quote]So Dopey you can't tell us anything about the so called debt because you don't actually know, so you change the subject as usual. Gordon Brown is actually New Labour (ie a right wing capitalist)but there you are singing his praises like a hero worshipping kid anyway,so it's irrelevant. Anyway you were going to explain to us exactly which category of debt you were referring to. Are you going to? There is more than one and in any case whatever action was taken in 1979 would have been the result of what had gone on before. Only a retard thinks the world changes the second a new government comes in. Oh yes, I was forgetting, you are a real retard.[/p][/quote]Adults resorting to name calling whilst trying to sort out international debt! Pathetic! Linesman
  • Score: 0

11:44pm Wed 12 May 10

southy says...

Linesman wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
southy wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
southy wrote:
derek james wrote: the country is effectively bankrupt, national debt is twice the figure made public, when the dire straits of the finances that gordon has hidden are revealed, labour will be lucky to get in again this century
we have been bankrupt since the 80's, we have had about 25 years where imports have been a hell of a lot greater than our exports, also what happen in the 80's tory government borrowed money from the wwii debt, at a higher interest rate, they done this so it would be hidden, this debt was down in the low millions in 79 and in the 80's it went up into the billions this debt is now paid off in full because of gorden brown so the torys will not be able to borrow from it again.
One minute Dopey is distancing himself from Labour then 7 seconds later like a goldfish he forgets that he called them right wing capitalists and starts praising them again. He's even licking Gordon Goldseller's boots again. The point is you actually understand nothing about economics Dopey - you just show off like a kid by copying "facts" off the internet and copying them like a parrot to try and look clever. Tell us which "debt" you think was in the low millions in 1979 - was it the PSBR, the current account, short term gilts, Treasury Stock....
only dopey one is you, your unable to tell the difference between old labour and nu-labour. old labour pre-kinnock was a centre to left party. nu-labour is pure right wing party. your not very bright at all are you i did say the wwii war debt was in the low millions, thatcher borrowed against that and push it back up into the billions so she could hide the amount she borrowed dopey.
So Dopey you can't tell us anything about the so called debt because you don't actually know, so you change the subject as usual. Gordon Brown is actually New Labour (ie a right wing capitalist)but there you are singing his praises like a hero worshipping kid anyway,so it's irrelevant. Anyway you were going to explain to us exactly which category of debt you were referring to. Are you going to? There is more than one and in any case whatever action was taken in 1979 would have been the result of what had gone on before. Only a retard thinks the world changes the second a new government comes in. Oh yes, I was forgetting, you are a real retard.
Adults resorting to name calling whilst trying to sort out international debt!
Pathetic!
yes i know linesman just thought i lower my self to wickham low level seems its the only way he can under stand.
they dont like it when you point out who was the root cause off all this debt. like the torys dont want people to know that in 1945 when labour got its first try in governing the country, they inherited not just wwii debt they aslo inherited the debt of the 1920's and early 1930's plus the debt of wwi, and it seems to date it only been the labour party thats really clearing the debt, the tory just put us deeper in to debt.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: the country is effectively bankrupt, national debt is twice the figure made public, when the dire straits of the finances that gordon has hidden are revealed, labour will be lucky to get in again this century[/p][/quote]we have been bankrupt since the 80's, we have had about 25 years where imports have been a hell of a lot greater than our exports, also what happen in the 80's tory government borrowed money from the wwii debt, at a higher interest rate, they done this so it would be hidden, this debt was down in the low millions in 79 and in the 80's it went up into the billions this debt is now paid off in full because of gorden brown so the torys will not be able to borrow from it again.[/p][/quote]One minute Dopey is distancing himself from Labour then 7 seconds later like a goldfish he forgets that he called them right wing capitalists and starts praising them again. He's even licking Gordon Goldseller's boots again. The point is you actually understand nothing about economics Dopey - you just show off like a kid by copying "facts" off the internet and copying them like a parrot to try and look clever. Tell us which "debt" you think was in the low millions in 1979 - was it the PSBR, the current account, short term gilts, Treasury Stock....[/p][/quote]only dopey one is you, your unable to tell the difference between old labour and nu-labour. old labour pre-kinnock was a centre to left party. nu-labour is pure right wing party. your not very bright at all are you i did say the wwii war debt was in the low millions, thatcher borrowed against that and push it back up into the billions so she could hide the amount she borrowed dopey.[/p][/quote]So Dopey you can't tell us anything about the so called debt because you don't actually know, so you change the subject as usual. Gordon Brown is actually New Labour (ie a right wing capitalist)but there you are singing his praises like a hero worshipping kid anyway,so it's irrelevant. Anyway you were going to explain to us exactly which category of debt you were referring to. Are you going to? There is more than one and in any case whatever action was taken in 1979 would have been the result of what had gone on before. Only a retard thinks the world changes the second a new government comes in. Oh yes, I was forgetting, you are a real retard.[/p][/quote]Adults resorting to name calling whilst trying to sort out international debt! Pathetic![/p][/quote]yes i know linesman just thought i lower my self to wickham low level seems its the only way he can under stand. they dont like it when you point out who was the root cause off all this debt. like the torys dont want people to know that in 1945 when labour got its first try in governing the country, they inherited not just wwii debt they aslo inherited the debt of the 1920's and early 1930's plus the debt of wwi, and it seems to date it only been the labour party thats really clearing the debt, the tory just put us deeper in to debt. southy
  • Score: 0

6:14am Thu 13 May 10

Iw61 says...

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
St.DaveH wrote:
Our government is now formed from two party’s with totally opposed moral ethic and policy, and does not bode well......The LDs and Clegg have sold their soul for a brief moment of limelight that will cost them dearly in future elections...Some of the LD electoral message must rankle deeply with their own voters....never again.....Why does it feel like a betrayal of democracy that the third place team ended up in a position of such power when they were not the choice of our population???? SW tiny-deal How apt...
The Lib Dems had enough seats where the public had voted for them to add to the Tories to make a majority party so as long as both parties could agree to unite as one for the good of the country then they could form a coalition. There was a lot of selflessness going on between the 2 parties that ensure a resolution was made each dropping certain policies and agreeing on others...I don't know why other people can't see that what they did was for the good of the country!!
Only time will tell this. personally I cant see rank and file Libdems putting up with it for too long. We have also seen the Tory hard right such as Lord Tebbitt come out against any coalition
I believe the Lib Con pact will have a short shelf life.
About Debt.
This way to handle debt is not by cutting it but by servicing it. Ask any normal family who have to service high mortgages and credit card debts.
the Tory policy seems to be cutting back public sector debt which will have a severe effect on jobs. Remember the more people unemployed the more the debt could rise.
I would personally approve a debt that can be spread out and managed over a longer period than short term fixes. I also believe wealthy businesses (especially banks and other financial institutions) should contribute more towards the debt as they will be the ones who benefit from Lib Con economic policies. Poorer families and pensioners should not be forced to pay for a debt not of their making. pay for debt includes what they will loose in public services and not just in their pockets.
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.DaveH[/bold] wrote: Our government is now formed from two party’s with totally opposed moral ethic and policy, and does not bode well......The LDs and Clegg have sold their soul for a brief moment of limelight that will cost them dearly in future elections...Some of the LD electoral message must rankle deeply with their own voters....never again.....Why does it feel like a betrayal of democracy that the third place team ended up in a position of such power when they were not the choice of our population???? SW tiny-deal How apt...[/p][/quote]The Lib Dems had enough seats where the public had voted for them to add to the Tories to make a majority party so as long as both parties could agree to unite as one for the good of the country then they could form a coalition. There was a lot of selflessness going on between the 2 parties that ensure a resolution was made each dropping certain policies and agreeing on others...I don't know why other people can't see that what they did was for the good of the country!![/p][/quote]Only time will tell this. personally I cant see rank and file Libdems putting up with it for too long. We have also seen the Tory hard right such as Lord Tebbitt come out against any coalition I believe the Lib Con pact will have a short shelf life. About Debt. This way to handle debt is not by cutting it but by servicing it. Ask any normal family who have to service high mortgages and credit card debts. the Tory policy seems to be cutting back public sector debt which will have a severe effect on jobs. Remember the more people unemployed the more the debt could rise. I would personally approve a debt that can be spread out and managed over a longer period than short term fixes. I also believe wealthy businesses (especially banks and other financial institutions) should contribute more towards the debt as they will be the ones who benefit from Lib Con economic policies. Poorer families and pensioners should not be forced to pay for a debt not of their making. pay for debt includes what they will loose in public services and not just in their pockets. Iw61
  • Score: 0

8:14am Thu 13 May 10

The Wickham Man says...

Good post IW61, at least you are able to discuss it with some understanding. All I would add to the servicing argument is the need to maintain a so called AAA rating to ensure that we don't end up trying to service our debt with gilt stock that nobody wants to buy. If that happens and we have to turn to the IMF then we have had it and the public sector will collapse anyway.
As for Dopey - I don't think he could even point at the sun without asking Bob Crow where it is. Gordon Brown did not "pay off WWII debt" - he happened to pay off what was left of it while he was in power, but that was one loan among many - it just happened to have a certain "interest" because of its nature. Duh. I'm going to get my granny to respond to Dopey's posts in future .
Good post IW61, at least you are able to discuss it with some understanding. All I would add to the servicing argument is the need to maintain a so called AAA rating to ensure that we don't end up trying to service our debt with gilt stock that nobody wants to buy. If that happens and we have to turn to the IMF then we have had it and the public sector will collapse anyway. As for Dopey - I don't think he could even point at the sun without asking Bob Crow where it is. Gordon Brown did not "pay off WWII debt" - he happened to pay off what was left of it while he was in power, but that was one loan among many - it just happened to have a certain "interest" because of its nature. Duh. I'm going to get my granny to respond to Dopey's posts in future . The Wickham Man
  • Score: 0

11:14am Thu 13 May 10

southy says...

Iw61 wrote:
allsaintsnocurves wrote:
St.DaveH wrote:
Our government is now formed from two party’s with totally opposed moral ethic and policy, and does not bode well......The LDs and Clegg have sold their soul for a brief moment of limelight that will cost them dearly in future elections...Some of the LD electoral message must rankle deeply with their own voters....never again.....Why does it feel like a betrayal of democracy that the third place team ended up in a position of such power when they were not the choice of our population???? SW tiny-deal How apt...
The Lib Dems had enough seats where the public had voted for them to add to the Tories to make a majority party so as long as both parties could agree to unite as one for the good of the country then they could form a coalition. There was a lot of selflessness going on between the 2 parties that ensure a resolution was made each dropping certain policies and agreeing on others...I don't know why other people can't see that what they did was for the good of the country!!
Only time will tell this. personally I cant see rank and file Libdems putting up with it for too long. We have also seen the Tory hard right such as Lord Tebbitt come out against any coalition
I believe the Lib Con pact will have a short shelf life.
About Debt.
This way to handle debt is not by cutting it but by servicing it. Ask any normal family who have to service high mortgages and credit card debts.
the Tory policy seems to be cutting back public sector debt which will have a severe effect on jobs. Remember the more people unemployed the more the debt could rise.
I would personally approve a debt that can be spread out and managed over a longer period than short term fixes. I also believe wealthy businesses (especially banks and other financial institutions) should contribute more towards the debt as they will be the ones who benefit from Lib Con economic policies. Poorer families and pensioners should not be forced to pay for a debt not of their making. pay for debt includes what they will loose in public services and not just in their pockets.
well put iw61 theres all ready war fare in the lib/dem party. the dem part has a meeting on tue's just around the corner of the london union uni, i dont think i need to tell you whitch party have offices in this area, your going to see a number of lib/dem leaving the party and joining others making this pack a minority again.
[quote][p][bold]Iw61[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.DaveH[/bold] wrote: Our government is now formed from two party’s with totally opposed moral ethic and policy, and does not bode well......The LDs and Clegg have sold their soul for a brief moment of limelight that will cost them dearly in future elections...Some of the LD electoral message must rankle deeply with their own voters....never again.....Why does it feel like a betrayal of democracy that the third place team ended up in a position of such power when they were not the choice of our population???? SW tiny-deal How apt...[/p][/quote]The Lib Dems had enough seats where the public had voted for them to add to the Tories to make a majority party so as long as both parties could agree to unite as one for the good of the country then they could form a coalition. There was a lot of selflessness going on between the 2 parties that ensure a resolution was made each dropping certain policies and agreeing on others...I don't know why other people can't see that what they did was for the good of the country!![/p][/quote]Only time will tell this. personally I cant see rank and file Libdems putting up with it for too long. We have also seen the Tory hard right such as Lord Tebbitt come out against any coalition I believe the Lib Con pact will have a short shelf life. About Debt. This way to handle debt is not by cutting it but by servicing it. Ask any normal family who have to service high mortgages and credit card debts. the Tory policy seems to be cutting back public sector debt which will have a severe effect on jobs. Remember the more people unemployed the more the debt could rise. I would personally approve a debt that can be spread out and managed over a longer period than short term fixes. I also believe wealthy businesses (especially banks and other financial institutions) should contribute more towards the debt as they will be the ones who benefit from Lib Con economic policies. Poorer families and pensioners should not be forced to pay for a debt not of their making. pay for debt includes what they will loose in public services and not just in their pockets.[/p][/quote]well put iw61 theres all ready war fare in the lib/dem party. the dem part has a meeting on tue's just around the corner of the london union uni, i dont think i need to tell you whitch party have offices in this area, your going to see a number of lib/dem leaving the party and joining others making this pack a minority again. southy
  • Score: 0

11:22am Thu 13 May 10

southy says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
Good post IW61, at least you are able to discuss it with some understanding. All I would add to the servicing argument is the need to maintain a so called AAA rating to ensure that we don't end up trying to service our debt with gilt stock that nobody wants to buy. If that happens and we have to turn to the IMF then we have had it and the public sector will collapse anyway.
As for Dopey - I don't think he could even point at the sun without asking Bob Crow where it is. Gordon Brown did not "pay off WWII debt" - he happened to pay off what was left of it while he was in power, but that was one loan among many - it just happened to have a certain "interest" because of its nature. Duh. I'm going to get my granny to respond to Dopey's posts in future .
your to blind wickham and very rude whitch go's to show i hit on a number of items that you dont like and have no answers for.
yes that is right he did pay off the WWII loan what was left at lest he never added on to this debt like the torys did in the 80's when they should of paid this off in full before the end of the 80's, brown also paid of some of the debt that was owned from the 1920's, just like the the 70's labour government paid of the WWI loan and made a start in paying of the debt from the 1920's, that still needs to be paid off.
it seems the torys makes the mess, others aft to clean them up.
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: Good post IW61, at least you are able to discuss it with some understanding. All I would add to the servicing argument is the need to maintain a so called AAA rating to ensure that we don't end up trying to service our debt with gilt stock that nobody wants to buy. If that happens and we have to turn to the IMF then we have had it and the public sector will collapse anyway. As for Dopey - I don't think he could even point at the sun without asking Bob Crow where it is. Gordon Brown did not "pay off WWII debt" - he happened to pay off what was left of it while he was in power, but that was one loan among many - it just happened to have a certain "interest" because of its nature. Duh. I'm going to get my granny to respond to Dopey's posts in future .[/p][/quote]your to blind wickham and very rude whitch go's to show i hit on a number of items that you dont like and have no answers for. yes that is right he did pay off the WWII loan what was left at lest he never added on to this debt like the torys did in the 80's when they should of paid this off in full before the end of the 80's, brown also paid of some of the debt that was owned from the 1920's, just like the the 70's labour government paid of the WWI loan and made a start in paying of the debt from the 1920's, that still needs to be paid off. it seems the torys makes the mess, others aft to clean them up. southy
  • Score: 0

11:24am Thu 13 May 10

St.DaveH says...

Besides the contrary political belief of this coalition government, a main factor of division will be caused be the ego of the two new leaders. Cameron denounced Clegg recently as a clown, and then makes him deputy PM only for convenience. Opinions will be formed quickly about the unpredictable and capricious nature of both men, and the rank and file of both sides will perhaps feel mislead from their own political conviction. Principles and politics have never made good allies, and this particular partnership advertises that fact nicely....I had hoped for some success to a revived economy and better control of services etc, but alas I feel this is not the way to achieve it...I hope for our country’s sake that I am wrong.
Besides the contrary political belief of this coalition government, a main factor of division will be caused be the ego of the two new leaders. Cameron denounced Clegg recently as a clown, and then makes him deputy PM only for convenience. Opinions will be formed quickly about the unpredictable and capricious nature of both men, and the rank and file of both sides will perhaps feel mislead from their own political conviction. Principles and politics have never made good allies, and this particular partnership advertises that fact nicely....I had hoped for some success to a revived economy and better control of services etc, but alas I feel this is not the way to achieve it...I hope for our country’s sake that I am wrong. St.DaveH
  • Score: 0

11:51am Thu 13 May 10

southy says...

St.DaveH wrote:
Besides the contrary political belief of this coalition government, a main factor of division will be caused be the ego of the two new leaders. Cameron denounced Clegg recently as a clown, and then makes him deputy PM only for convenience. Opinions will be formed quickly about the unpredictable and capricious nature of both men, and the rank and file of both sides will perhaps feel mislead from their own political conviction. Principles and politics have never made good allies, and this particular partnership advertises that fact nicely....I had hoped for some success to a revived economy and better control of services etc, but alas I feel this is not the way to achieve it...I hope for our country’s sake that I am wrong.
no your not wrong, you got another bad time coming up, we will free fall now forget about a recession its going to go though that and end up in a depression, the only hope you got is a vote of no confidence whitch will not be that far away. lets just hope this vote of no confidence comes before the free fall into depression.
[quote][p][bold]St.DaveH[/bold] wrote: Besides the contrary political belief of this coalition government, a main factor of division will be caused be the ego of the two new leaders. Cameron denounced Clegg recently as a clown, and then makes him deputy PM only for convenience. Opinions will be formed quickly about the unpredictable and capricious nature of both men, and the rank and file of both sides will perhaps feel mislead from their own political conviction. Principles and politics have never made good allies, and this particular partnership advertises that fact nicely....I had hoped for some success to a revived economy and better control of services etc, but alas I feel this is not the way to achieve it...I hope for our country’s sake that I am wrong.[/p][/quote]no your not wrong, you got another bad time coming up, we will free fall now forget about a recession its going to go though that and end up in a depression, the only hope you got is a vote of no confidence whitch will not be that far away. lets just hope this vote of no confidence comes before the free fall into depression. southy
  • Score: 0

1:46pm Thu 13 May 10

jimbobbo says...

southy wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
southy wrote:
derek james wrote:
the country is effectively bankrupt, national debt is twice the figure made public, when the dire straits of the finances that gordon has hidden are revealed, labour will be lucky to get in again this century
we have been bankrupt since the 80's, we have had about 25 years where imports have been a hell of a lot greater than our exports, also what happen in the 80's tory government borrowed money from the wwii debt, at a higher interest rate, they done this so it would be hidden, this debt was down in the low millions in 79 and in the 80's it went up into the billions this debt is now paid off in full because of gorden brown so the torys will not be able to borrow from it again.
One minute Dopey is distancing himself from Labour then 7 seconds later like a goldfish he forgets that he called them right wing capitalists and starts praising them again. He's even licking Gordon Goldseller's boots again. The point is you actually understand nothing about economics Dopey - you just show off like a kid by copying "facts" off the internet and copying them like a parrot to try and look clever. Tell us which "debt" you think was in the low millions in 1979 - was it the PSBR, the current account, short term gilts, Treasury Stock....
only dopey one is you, your unable to tell the difference between old labour and nu-labour. old labour pre-kinnock was a centre to left party. nu-labour is pure right wing party.
your not very bright at all are you i did say the wwii war debt was in the low millions, thatcher borrowed against that and push it back up into the billions so she could hide the amount she borrowed dopey.
Hey Southy, you seem so sure about everything - which is great.

I reckon you should get yourself down the Bookies. You'll be a rich man in no time and can move out of Redbridge... surely?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: the country is effectively bankrupt, national debt is twice the figure made public, when the dire straits of the finances that gordon has hidden are revealed, labour will be lucky to get in again this century[/p][/quote]we have been bankrupt since the 80's, we have had about 25 years where imports have been a hell of a lot greater than our exports, also what happen in the 80's tory government borrowed money from the wwii debt, at a higher interest rate, they done this so it would be hidden, this debt was down in the low millions in 79 and in the 80's it went up into the billions this debt is now paid off in full because of gorden brown so the torys will not be able to borrow from it again.[/p][/quote]One minute Dopey is distancing himself from Labour then 7 seconds later like a goldfish he forgets that he called them right wing capitalists and starts praising them again. He's even licking Gordon Goldseller's boots again. The point is you actually understand nothing about economics Dopey - you just show off like a kid by copying "facts" off the internet and copying them like a parrot to try and look clever. Tell us which "debt" you think was in the low millions in 1979 - was it the PSBR, the current account, short term gilts, Treasury Stock....[/p][/quote]only dopey one is you, your unable to tell the difference between old labour and nu-labour. old labour pre-kinnock was a centre to left party. nu-labour is pure right wing party. your not very bright at all are you i did say the wwii war debt was in the low millions, thatcher borrowed against that and push it back up into the billions so she could hide the amount she borrowed dopey.[/p][/quote]Hey Southy, you seem so sure about everything - which is great. I reckon you should get yourself down the Bookies. You'll be a rich man in no time and can move out of Redbridge... surely? jimbobbo
  • Score: 0

2:11pm Thu 13 May 10

southy says...

jimbobbo wrote:
southy wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
southy wrote:
derek james wrote:
the country is effectively bankrupt, national debt is twice the figure made public, when the dire straits of the finances that gordon has hidden are revealed, labour will be lucky to get in again this century
we have been bankrupt since the 80's, we have had about 25 years where imports have been a hell of a lot greater than our exports, also what happen in the 80's tory government borrowed money from the wwii debt, at a higher interest rate, they done this so it would be hidden, this debt was down in the low millions in 79 and in the 80's it went up into the billions this debt is now paid off in full because of gorden brown so the torys will not be able to borrow from it again.
One minute Dopey is distancing himself from Labour then 7 seconds later like a goldfish he forgets that he called them right wing capitalists and starts praising them again. He's even licking Gordon Goldseller's boots again. The point is you actually understand nothing about economics Dopey - you just show off like a kid by copying "facts" off the internet and copying them like a parrot to try and look clever. Tell us which "debt" you think was in the low millions in 1979 - was it the PSBR, the current account, short term gilts, Treasury Stock....
only dopey one is you, your unable to tell the difference between old labour and nu-labour. old labour pre-kinnock was a centre to left party. nu-labour is pure right wing party.
your not very bright at all are you i did say the wwii war debt was in the low millions, thatcher borrowed against that and push it back up into the billions so she could hide the amount she borrowed dopey.
Hey Southy, you seem so sure about everything - which is great.

I reckon you should get yourself down the Bookies. You'll be a rich man in no time and can move out of Redbridge... surely?
the odds are rubbish jim, unless you want to put money down on the out side bet for the tory to go full 5 years the odds are around 1000-1, if you place bet for an general election in the next 2 and half years its an odds on favourite. even the bookies are saying the same.
and why would i want to move out off redbridge for
[quote][p][bold]jimbobbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: the country is effectively bankrupt, national debt is twice the figure made public, when the dire straits of the finances that gordon has hidden are revealed, labour will be lucky to get in again this century[/p][/quote]we have been bankrupt since the 80's, we have had about 25 years where imports have been a hell of a lot greater than our exports, also what happen in the 80's tory government borrowed money from the wwii debt, at a higher interest rate, they done this so it would be hidden, this debt was down in the low millions in 79 and in the 80's it went up into the billions this debt is now paid off in full because of gorden brown so the torys will not be able to borrow from it again.[/p][/quote]One minute Dopey is distancing himself from Labour then 7 seconds later like a goldfish he forgets that he called them right wing capitalists and starts praising them again. He's even licking Gordon Goldseller's boots again. The point is you actually understand nothing about economics Dopey - you just show off like a kid by copying "facts" off the internet and copying them like a parrot to try and look clever. Tell us which "debt" you think was in the low millions in 1979 - was it the PSBR, the current account, short term gilts, Treasury Stock....[/p][/quote]only dopey one is you, your unable to tell the difference between old labour and nu-labour. old labour pre-kinnock was a centre to left party. nu-labour is pure right wing party. your not very bright at all are you i did say the wwii war debt was in the low millions, thatcher borrowed against that and push it back up into the billions so she could hide the amount she borrowed dopey.[/p][/quote]Hey Southy, you seem so sure about everything - which is great. I reckon you should get yourself down the Bookies. You'll be a rich man in no time and can move out of Redbridge... surely?[/p][/quote]the odds are rubbish jim, unless you want to put money down on the out side bet for the tory to go full 5 years the odds are around 1000-1, if you place bet for an general election in the next 2 and half years its an odds on favourite. even the bookies are saying the same. and why would i want to move out off redbridge for southy
  • Score: 0

Comments are closed on this article.

Send us your news, pictures and videos

Most read stories

Local Info

Enter your postcode, town or place name

About cookies

We want you to enjoy your visit to our website. That's why we use cookies to enhance your experience. By staying on our website you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more about the cookies we use.

I agree