Southampton City Council's deal with Balfour Beatty 'called-in' for rethink

Daily Echo: Cllr Stephen Barnes-Andrews Cllr Stephen Barnes-Andrews

Labour has moved to block a £50m contract to run Southampton council’s CCTV network.

The decision by Tory council leaders to award the contract to construction giant Balfour Beatty has been “called-in” for a rethink.

Council leader, Royston Smith, will be summoned back before the council’s scrutiny committee to face more |questions next week on the proposed deal.

Labour committee chairman,|Councillor Stephen Barnes-Andrews, who called-in the decision just days before crunch local elections next week, said “insufficient detail” had been provided to his committee to fully discuss its merits.

The Unite union, which is backing Labour’s call-in, said the services were being “fast-tracked to sell-off” and there had been no opportunity for the case for an in-house bid to be made.

Balfour Beatty has been lined up to operate the city’s extensive 300-|camera network for up to 15 years from a new rubbish and recycling depot at Dock Gate 20 in Millbrook.

The ROMANSE “intelligent transport system” which monitors the city’s roads will also be moved from Town Quay to the new City Depot under the contract, which is due to start in October.

Cllr Smith said details about the |proposed deal had been available to opposition councillors since July and insisted: “The proposal to outsource CCTV and ROMANSE is the right one in the public interest because it will enhance and protect the system and save the taxpayer £500,000 (over the next two years).”

Council officials say the Balfour Beatty bid |provides a “more robust solution and guarantee of delivering the required savings than in-house options” also considered.

The combined service would be |operational from February next year if the contract is awarded.

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5:55pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Condor Man says...

all very well to block this but who's going to put the future investment in? Firms like Balfour Beatty will be able to make the investments required. Perhaps Labour think that council tax payers should foot the bill for everything, it's certainly looking that way.
all very well to block this but who's going to put the future investment in? Firms like Balfour Beatty will be able to make the investments required. Perhaps Labour think that council tax payers should foot the bill for everything, it's certainly looking that way. Condor Man

6:17pm Fri 27 Apr 12

HillsidePaul says...

Or maybe Royston was planning to sell it to his mates before he losses the Election.
Or maybe Royston was planning to sell it to his mates before he losses the Election. HillsidePaul

6:43pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Maine Lobster says...

HillsidePaul wrote:
Or maybe Royston was planning to sell it to his mates before he losses the Election.
Absolutley right. This Council has become a one man crusade to privatise Council services, reduce service to the public and to promote the Council Leader. Never before has a Leader of the Council led his own P.R. boost in the local press so obsessively.
[quote][p][bold]HillsidePaul[/bold] wrote: Or maybe Royston was planning to sell it to his mates before he losses the Election.[/p][/quote]Absolutley right. This Council has become a one man crusade to privatise Council services, reduce service to the public and to promote the Council Leader. Never before has a Leader of the Council led his own P.R. boost in the local press so obsessively. Maine Lobster

7:55pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Condor Man says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
HillsidePaul wrote:
Or maybe Royston was planning to sell it to his mates before he losses the Election.
Absolutley right. This Council has become a one man crusade to privatise Council services, reduce service to the public and to promote the Council Leader. Never before has a Leader of the Council led his own P.R. boost in the local press so obsessively.
really? Let's not forget it was the Lib Dems that started the privatisation, then tried to bottle it when they jumped into bed with Labour. These services are too expensive to provide on the back of the tax take, partnerships like this are necessary to pay for much needed investment into decrepid services.
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HillsidePaul[/bold] wrote: Or maybe Royston was planning to sell it to his mates before he losses the Election.[/p][/quote]Absolutley right. This Council has become a one man crusade to privatise Council services, reduce service to the public and to promote the Council Leader. Never before has a Leader of the Council led his own P.R. boost in the local press so obsessively.[/p][/quote]really? Let's not forget it was the Lib Dems that started the privatisation, then tried to bottle it when they jumped into bed with Labour. These services are too expensive to provide on the back of the tax take, partnerships like this are necessary to pay for much needed investment into decrepid services. Condor Man

8:09pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Lone Ranger. says...

Condor Man wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
HillsidePaul wrote:
Or maybe Royston was planning to sell it to his mates before he losses the Election.
Absolutley right. This Council has become a one man crusade to privatise Council services, reduce service to the public and to promote the Council Leader. Never before has a Leader of the Council led his own P.R. boost in the local press so obsessively.
really? Let's not forget it was the Lib Dems that started the privatisation, then tried to bottle it when they jumped into bed with Labour. These services are too expensive to provide on the back of the tax take, partnerships like this are necessary to pay for much needed investment into decrepid services.
Dont worry Condor ...... The Tories will be able to do the same when Labour return to power in a week or so.
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HillsidePaul[/bold] wrote: Or maybe Royston was planning to sell it to his mates before he losses the Election.[/p][/quote]Absolutley right. This Council has become a one man crusade to privatise Council services, reduce service to the public and to promote the Council Leader. Never before has a Leader of the Council led his own P.R. boost in the local press so obsessively.[/p][/quote]really? Let's not forget it was the Lib Dems that started the privatisation, then tried to bottle it when they jumped into bed with Labour. These services are too expensive to provide on the back of the tax take, partnerships like this are necessary to pay for much needed investment into decrepid services.[/p][/quote]Dont worry Condor ...... The Tories will be able to do the same when Labour return to power in a week or so. Lone Ranger.

8:18pm Fri 27 Apr 12

Condor Man says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
HillsidePaul wrote:
Or maybe Royston was planning to sell it to his mates before he losses the Election.
Absolutley right. This Council has become a one man crusade to privatise Council services, reduce service to the public and to promote the Council Leader. Never before has a Leader of the Council led his own P.R. boost in the local press so obsessively.
really? Let's not forget it was the Lib Dems that started the privatisation, then tried to bottle it when they jumped into bed with Labour. These services are too expensive to provide on the back of the tax take, partnerships like this are necessary to pay for much needed investment into decrepid services.
Dont worry Condor ...... The Tories will be able to do the same when Labour return to power in a week or so.
yes, heaven help us.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HillsidePaul[/bold] wrote: Or maybe Royston was planning to sell it to his mates before he losses the Election.[/p][/quote]Absolutley right. This Council has become a one man crusade to privatise Council services, reduce service to the public and to promote the Council Leader. Never before has a Leader of the Council led his own P.R. boost in the local press so obsessively.[/p][/quote]really? Let's not forget it was the Lib Dems that started the privatisation, then tried to bottle it when they jumped into bed with Labour. These services are too expensive to provide on the back of the tax take, partnerships like this are necessary to pay for much needed investment into decrepid services.[/p][/quote]Dont worry Condor ...... The Tories will be able to do the same when Labour return to power in a week or so.[/p][/quote]yes, heaven help us. Condor Man

8:47pm Fri 27 Apr 12

J.P.M says...

The bald facts may be laid bare, when the councillor's attempt at a cover-up is shown. If questioned, he may comb-over as having other motives.
The bald facts may be laid bare, when the councillor's attempt at a cover-up is shown. If questioned, he may comb-over as having other motives. J.P.M

9:29pm Fri 27 Apr 12

J.P.M says...

Condor Man wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
HillsidePaul wrote:
Or maybe Royston was planning to sell it to his mates before he losses the Election.
Absolutley right. This Council has become a one man crusade to privatise Council services, reduce service to the public and to promote the Council Leader. Never before has a Leader of the Council led his own P.R. boost in the local press so obsessively.
really? Let's not forget it was the Lib Dems that started the privatisation, then tried to bottle it when they jumped into bed with Labour. These services are too expensive to provide on the back of the tax take, partnerships like this are necessary to pay for much needed investment into decrepid services.
Dont worry Condor ...... The Tories will be able to do the same when Labour return to power in a week or so.
yes, heaven help us.
Gerald Howarth has insisted he has no reason to apologise after claiming furniture and household items on taxpayer-funded expenses for his Farnborough home.

The Conservative MP for Aldershot, Farnborough and Yateley said he had “acted within the rules” by making the claims.

Unlike fellow Tories Michael Gove, MP for Camberley and Ash, and North East Hampshire MP James Arbuthnot, who have both issued apologies, Mr Howarth has not committed himself to pay any of the money back
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HillsidePaul[/bold] wrote: Or maybe Royston was planning to sell it to his mates before he losses the Election.[/p][/quote]Absolutley right. This Council has become a one man crusade to privatise Council services, reduce service to the public and to promote the Council Leader. Never before has a Leader of the Council led his own P.R. boost in the local press so obsessively.[/p][/quote]really? Let's not forget it was the Lib Dems that started the privatisation, then tried to bottle it when they jumped into bed with Labour. These services are too expensive to provide on the back of the tax take, partnerships like this are necessary to pay for much needed investment into decrepid services.[/p][/quote]Dont worry Condor ...... The Tories will be able to do the same when Labour return to power in a week or so.[/p][/quote]yes, heaven help us.[/p][/quote]Gerald Howarth has insisted he has no reason to apologise after claiming furniture and household items on taxpayer-funded expenses for his Farnborough home. The Conservative MP for Aldershot, Farnborough and Yateley said he had “acted within the rules” by making the claims. Unlike fellow Tories Michael Gove, MP for Camberley and Ash, and North East Hampshire MP James Arbuthnot, who have both issued apologies, Mr Howarth has not committed himself to pay any of the money back J.P.M

9:48pm Fri 27 Apr 12

IronLady2010 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
HillsidePaul wrote:
Or maybe Royston was planning to sell it to his mates before he losses the Election.
Absolutley right. This Council has become a one man crusade to privatise Council services, reduce service to the public and to promote the Council Leader. Never before has a Leader of the Council led his own P.R. boost in the local press so obsessively.
really? Let's not forget it was the Lib Dems that started the privatisation, then tried to bottle it when they jumped into bed with Labour. These services are too expensive to provide on the back of the tax take, partnerships like this are necessary to pay for much needed investment into decrepid services.
Dont worry Condor ...... The Tories will be able to do the same when Labour return to power in a week or so.
God help us if they do, I'd rather have TUSC (and I don't want them anywhere near our City)! If Labour get back in we have another few years of nothing. At least right now, things are moving forward.

I'm not a huge fan of Conservative, but I do like what they are bringing to the City, which is a **** site more than any other party has done for the past few years.

Roll on May and get this over with.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HillsidePaul[/bold] wrote: Or maybe Royston was planning to sell it to his mates before he losses the Election.[/p][/quote]Absolutley right. This Council has become a one man crusade to privatise Council services, reduce service to the public and to promote the Council Leader. Never before has a Leader of the Council led his own P.R. boost in the local press so obsessively.[/p][/quote]really? Let's not forget it was the Lib Dems that started the privatisation, then tried to bottle it when they jumped into bed with Labour. These services are too expensive to provide on the back of the tax take, partnerships like this are necessary to pay for much needed investment into decrepid services.[/p][/quote]Dont worry Condor ...... The Tories will be able to do the same when Labour return to power in a week or so.[/p][/quote]God help us if they do, I'd rather have TUSC (and I don't want them anywhere near our City)! If Labour get back in we have another few years of nothing. At least right now, things are moving forward. I'm not a huge fan of Conservative, but I do like what they are bringing to the City, which is a **** site more than any other party has done for the past few years. Roll on May and get this over with. IronLady2010

9:50pm Fri 27 Apr 12

J.P.M says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
HillsidePaul wrote:
Or maybe Royston was planning to sell it to his mates before he losses the Election.
Absolutley right. This Council has become a one man crusade to privatise Council services, reduce service to the public and to promote the Council Leader. Never before has a Leader of the Council led his own P.R. boost in the local press so obsessively.
really? Let's not forget it was the Lib Dems that started the privatisation, then tried to bottle it when they jumped into bed with Labour. These services are too expensive to provide on the back of the tax take, partnerships like this are necessary to pay for much needed investment into decrepid services.
Dont worry Condor ...... The Tories will be able to do the same when Labour return to power in a week or so.
God help us if they do, I'd rather have TUSC (and I don't want them anywhere near our City)! If Labour get back in we have another few years of nothing. At least right now, things are moving forward.

I'm not a huge fan of Conservative, but I do like what they are bringing to the City, which is a **** site more than any other party has done for the past few years.

Roll on May and get this over with.
Unlike fellow Tories Michael Gove, MP for Camberley and Ash, and North East Hampshire MP James Arbuthnot, who have both issued apologies, Mr Howarth has not committed himself to pay any of the money back
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HillsidePaul[/bold] wrote: Or maybe Royston was planning to sell it to his mates before he losses the Election.[/p][/quote]Absolutley right. This Council has become a one man crusade to privatise Council services, reduce service to the public and to promote the Council Leader. Never before has a Leader of the Council led his own P.R. boost in the local press so obsessively.[/p][/quote]really? Let's not forget it was the Lib Dems that started the privatisation, then tried to bottle it when they jumped into bed with Labour. These services are too expensive to provide on the back of the tax take, partnerships like this are necessary to pay for much needed investment into decrepid services.[/p][/quote]Dont worry Condor ...... The Tories will be able to do the same when Labour return to power in a week or so.[/p][/quote]God help us if they do, I'd rather have TUSC (and I don't want them anywhere near our City)! If Labour get back in we have another few years of nothing. At least right now, things are moving forward. I'm not a huge fan of Conservative, but I do like what they are bringing to the City, which is a **** site more than any other party has done for the past few years. Roll on May and get this over with.[/p][/quote]Unlike fellow Tories Michael Gove, MP for Camberley and Ash, and North East Hampshire MP James Arbuthnot, who have both issued apologies, Mr Howarth has not committed himself to pay any of the money back J.P.M

11:18pm Fri 27 Apr 12

egghead65 says...

sad sacks the lot of ya,
sad sacks the lot of ya, egghead65

11:34pm Fri 27 Apr 12

IronLady2010 says...

egghead65 wrote:
sad sacks the lot of ya,
You've reached boiling, nite!
[quote][p][bold]egghead65[/bold] wrote: sad sacks the lot of ya,[/p][/quote]You've reached boiling, nite! IronLady2010

12:35am Sat 28 Apr 12

Over the Edge says...

The scrutiny panel is there to question decisions, it is quite clear that the deal with Balfour Beatty is another attempt at privatisation, Royston Smith is hell bent on destroying this council workforce once and for all, Royston has taken on roles within the council that other parties and Tory leaders have given to other councillors within their party, to me he is a total and utter control freak, who will stop at nothing to get his own way.

I honestly do not believe the Tories will lose the election next week and he will continue to decimate to workforce, like he did with the Captia deal, this deal will decimate the workforce whilst costing us money.
The scrutiny panel is there to question decisions, it is quite clear that the deal with Balfour Beatty is another attempt at privatisation, Royston Smith is hell bent on destroying this council workforce once and for all, Royston has taken on roles within the council that other parties and Tory leaders have given to other councillors within their party, to me he is a total and utter control freak, who will stop at nothing to get his own way. I honestly do not believe the Tories will lose the election next week and he will continue to decimate to workforce, like he did with the Captia deal, this deal will decimate the workforce whilst costing us money. Over the Edge

12:55am Sat 28 Apr 12

IronLady2010 says...

Over the Edge wrote:
The scrutiny panel is there to question decisions, it is quite clear that the deal with Balfour Beatty is another attempt at privatisation, Royston Smith is hell bent on destroying this council workforce once and for all, Royston has taken on roles within the council that other parties and Tory leaders have given to other councillors within their party, to me he is a total and utter control freak, who will stop at nothing to get his own way.

I honestly do not believe the Tories will lose the election next week and he will continue to decimate to workforce, like he did with the Captia deal, this deal will decimate the workforce whilst costing us money.
I couldn't care less who runs the Council, so long as it's someone who has the balls to make something of this City.

After years of Labour, who have done very little I can't really take their side.

I'll give Royston Credit, he's stood his ground wether right or wrong and for the first time ever he gets my vote.

I have never voted Conservative, but I have to vote for what is good for our City.

I just hope people vote for the right reasons.

Just vote!
[quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: The scrutiny panel is there to question decisions, it is quite clear that the deal with Balfour Beatty is another attempt at privatisation, Royston Smith is hell bent on destroying this council workforce once and for all, Royston has taken on roles within the council that other parties and Tory leaders have given to other councillors within their party, to me he is a total and utter control freak, who will stop at nothing to get his own way. I honestly do not believe the Tories will lose the election next week and he will continue to decimate to workforce, like he did with the Captia deal, this deal will decimate the workforce whilst costing us money.[/p][/quote]I couldn't care less who runs the Council, so long as it's someone who has the balls to make something of this City. After years of Labour, who have done very little I can't really take their side. I'll give Royston Credit, he's stood his ground wether right or wrong and for the first time ever he gets my vote. I have never voted Conservative, but I have to vote for what is good for our City. I just hope people vote for the right reasons. Just vote! IronLady2010

3:13am Sat 28 Apr 12

My boy says...

They done away with the yellow card and now they're doing away with cctv. clearly they don't care about peoples safety.
They done away with the yellow card and now they're doing away with cctv. clearly they don't care about peoples safety. My boy

11:38am Sat 28 Apr 12

Linesman says...

Condor Man wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
HillsidePaul wrote:
Or maybe Royston was planning to sell it to his mates before he losses the Election.
Absolutley right. This Council has become a one man crusade to privatise Council services, reduce service to the public and to promote the Council Leader. Never before has a Leader of the Council led his own P.R. boost in the local press so obsessively.
really? Let's not forget it was the Lib Dems that started the privatisation, then tried to bottle it when they jumped into bed with Labour. These services are too expensive to provide on the back of the tax take, partnerships like this are necessary to pay for much needed investment into decrepid services.
If they are too expensive to provide, why would Balfour Beatty be interested in buying? They are a commercial company, in the game to make a profit.
The old saying says, 'There is no such thing as a free dinner.' I happen to agree with that sentiment, and wonder who is going to eventually pay for this.

You can bet your bottom dollar, Balfour Beatty are not going to do it as a charity move for Southampton City Council.
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HillsidePaul[/bold] wrote: Or maybe Royston was planning to sell it to his mates before he losses the Election.[/p][/quote]Absolutley right. This Council has become a one man crusade to privatise Council services, reduce service to the public and to promote the Council Leader. Never before has a Leader of the Council led his own P.R. boost in the local press so obsessively.[/p][/quote]really? Let's not forget it was the Lib Dems that started the privatisation, then tried to bottle it when they jumped into bed with Labour. These services are too expensive to provide on the back of the tax take, partnerships like this are necessary to pay for much needed investment into decrepid services.[/p][/quote]If they are too expensive to provide, why would Balfour Beatty be interested in buying? They are a commercial company, in the game to make a profit. The old saying says, 'There is no such thing as a free dinner.' I happen to agree with that sentiment, and wonder who is going to eventually pay for this. You can bet your bottom dollar, Balfour Beatty are not going to do it as a charity move for Southampton City Council. Linesman

11:43am Sat 28 Apr 12

Linesman says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
The scrutiny panel is there to question decisions, it is quite clear that the deal with Balfour Beatty is another attempt at privatisation, Royston Smith is hell bent on destroying this council workforce once and for all, Royston has taken on roles within the council that other parties and Tory leaders have given to other councillors within their party, to me he is a total and utter control freak, who will stop at nothing to get his own way.

I honestly do not believe the Tories will lose the election next week and he will continue to decimate to workforce, like he did with the Captia deal, this deal will decimate the workforce whilst costing us money.
I couldn't care less who runs the Council, so long as it's someone who has the balls to make something of this City.

After years of Labour, who have done very little I can't really take their side.

I'll give Royston Credit, he's stood his ground wether right or wrong and for the first time ever he gets my vote.

I have never voted Conservative, but I have to vote for what is good for our City.

I just hope people vote for the right reasons.

Just vote!
"I'll give Royston Credit, he's stood his ground wether right or wrong and for the first time ever he gets my vote."

Vote Pig-headed and obstinate.

Vote for a person who cannot admit his mistakes.

Are you Royston in drag?
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: The scrutiny panel is there to question decisions, it is quite clear that the deal with Balfour Beatty is another attempt at privatisation, Royston Smith is hell bent on destroying this council workforce once and for all, Royston has taken on roles within the council that other parties and Tory leaders have given to other councillors within their party, to me he is a total and utter control freak, who will stop at nothing to get his own way. I honestly do not believe the Tories will lose the election next week and he will continue to decimate to workforce, like he did with the Captia deal, this deal will decimate the workforce whilst costing us money.[/p][/quote]I couldn't care less who runs the Council, so long as it's someone who has the balls to make something of this City. After years of Labour, who have done very little I can't really take their side. I'll give Royston Credit, he's stood his ground wether right or wrong and for the first time ever he gets my vote. I have never voted Conservative, but I have to vote for what is good for our City. I just hope people vote for the right reasons. Just vote![/p][/quote]"I'll give Royston Credit, he's stood his ground wether right or wrong and for the first time ever he gets my vote." Vote Pig-headed and obstinate. Vote for a person who cannot admit his mistakes. Are you Royston in drag? Linesman

12:23pm Sat 28 Apr 12

skeptik says...

Cannot remember the town in the US some years ago. The townsfolk got fed up with being ripped off. They form companies to take over waste removal and control with each resident a shareholder, within a year they were taking out an annual bonus from the profitable company they owned. Councils here are a sham costly nonsense at best.
Cannot remember the town in the US some years ago. The townsfolk got fed up with being ripped off. They form companies to take over waste removal and control with each resident a shareholder, within a year they were taking out an annual bonus from the profitable company they owned. Councils here are a sham costly nonsense at best. skeptik

1:29pm Sat 28 Apr 12

Linesman says...

skeptik wrote:
Cannot remember the town in the US some years ago. The townsfolk got fed up with being ripped off. They form companies to take over waste removal and control with each resident a shareholder, within a year they were taking out an annual bonus from the profitable company they owned. Councils here are a sham costly nonsense at best.
Yes! A lot of towns copied them, and I can't remember any of their names either.
[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: Cannot remember the town in the US some years ago. The townsfolk got fed up with being ripped off. They form companies to take over waste removal and control with each resident a shareholder, within a year they were taking out an annual bonus from the profitable company they owned. Councils here are a sham costly nonsense at best.[/p][/quote]Yes! A lot of towns copied them, and I can't remember any of their names either. Linesman

5:54pm Sat 28 Apr 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

What a surprise, NuLabourites in Council have eventually done something right. BUT I wonder if elections due on 3 May had anything to do with this con trick
.
Tories have seen the writing on the wall, that they will lose control of Council, so are trying to hand over whatever they can to privateers before leaving office, so their friends who are more interested in making profits than providing services could continue ripping the Council off
.
New Labour has been exposed as virtual off shoot of Tory Party, so they are only posing as socialists for securing traditional Labour vote by pretending to be on the left
.
I have no doubt that many old Labour voters will fall for this trap, as they have done many times before, BUT if anybody seriously believes that under champion of flip flopping Cllr. Williams leadership anything other than Tory policies will be implemented then be prepared for disappointment. Because only faces will change but policies will be the same; Cuts in services, destruction of jobs, and privatisation of services. Companies like Balfour Beatty and Capita will still be minting even more money and the tax payers will be forced to pay for their massive greed
.
What is the alternative? Although I do not expect them to win many seats I will be voting for TUSC
.
Sadly left of centre is too busy in criticising each other when they should be joining together against all three main parties of the right, and also TUSC has hardly any money for running a professional campaign required for getting their message across
.
While I am very critical of TUSC campaign methods, and TUSC organiser is fully aware of my views, I won’t be surprised if in some places they could get more votes than Liberal Democrats, which could be TUSC’s launching pad for 2014 elections. Because by then NuLabour’s true blue colours will be exposed in action.
What a surprise, NuLabourites in Council have eventually done something right. BUT I wonder if elections due on 3 May had anything to do with this con trick . Tories have seen the writing on the wall, that they will lose control of Council, so are trying to hand over whatever they can to privateers before leaving office, so their friends who are more interested in making profits than providing services could continue ripping the Council off . New Labour has been exposed as virtual off shoot of Tory Party, so they are only posing as socialists for securing traditional Labour vote by pretending to be on the left . I have no doubt that many old Labour voters will fall for this trap, as they have done many times before, BUT if anybody seriously believes that under champion of flip flopping Cllr. Williams leadership anything other than Tory policies will be implemented then be prepared for disappointment. Because only faces will change but policies will be the same; Cuts in services, destruction of jobs, and privatisation of services. Companies like Balfour Beatty and Capita will still be minting even more money and the tax payers will be forced to pay for their massive greed . What is the alternative? Although I do not expect them to win many seats I will be voting for TUSC . Sadly left of centre is too busy in criticising each other when they should be joining together against all three main parties of the right, and also TUSC has hardly any money for running a professional campaign required for getting their message across . While I am very critical of TUSC campaign methods, and TUSC organiser is fully aware of my views, I won’t be surprised if in some places they could get more votes than Liberal Democrats, which could be TUSC’s launching pad for 2014 elections. Because by then NuLabour’s true blue colours will be exposed in action. Paramjit Bahia

6:47pm Sat 28 Apr 12

IronLady2010 says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
What a surprise, NuLabourites in Council have eventually done something right. BUT I wonder if elections due on 3 May had anything to do with this con trick
.
Tories have seen the writing on the wall, that they will lose control of Council, so are trying to hand over whatever they can to privateers before leaving office, so their friends who are more interested in making profits than providing services could continue ripping the Council off
.
New Labour has been exposed as virtual off shoot of Tory Party, so they are only posing as socialists for securing traditional Labour vote by pretending to be on the left
.
I have no doubt that many old Labour voters will fall for this trap, as they have done many times before, BUT if anybody seriously believes that under champion of flip flopping Cllr. Williams leadership anything other than Tory policies will be implemented then be prepared for disappointment. Because only faces will change but policies will be the same; Cuts in services, destruction of jobs, and privatisation of services. Companies like Balfour Beatty and Capita will still be minting even more money and the tax payers will be forced to pay for their massive greed
.
What is the alternative? Although I do not expect them to win many seats I will be voting for TUSC
.
Sadly left of centre is too busy in criticising each other when they should be joining together against all three main parties of the right, and also TUSC has hardly any money for running a professional campaign required for getting their message across
.
While I am very critical of TUSC campaign methods, and TUSC organiser is fully aware of my views, I won’t be surprised if in some places they could get more votes than Liberal Democrats, which could be TUSC’s launching pad for 2014 elections. Because by then NuLabour’s true blue colours will be exposed in action.
Alot of TUSC's issues are where a certain poster on here is standing for them. How can you take such a party seriously?

I am being honest when I say I may have considered them, I may never have voted for them but may have considered but when they allow people who cannot add up, openly lie, cannot type a single paragraph in English. Why would anyone take them seriously?

They are known as the joke party on here, mainly due to one person.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: What a surprise, NuLabourites in Council have eventually done something right. BUT I wonder if elections due on 3 May had anything to do with this con trick . Tories have seen the writing on the wall, that they will lose control of Council, so are trying to hand over whatever they can to privateers before leaving office, so their friends who are more interested in making profits than providing services could continue ripping the Council off . New Labour has been exposed as virtual off shoot of Tory Party, so they are only posing as socialists for securing traditional Labour vote by pretending to be on the left . I have no doubt that many old Labour voters will fall for this trap, as they have done many times before, BUT if anybody seriously believes that under champion of flip flopping Cllr. Williams leadership anything other than Tory policies will be implemented then be prepared for disappointment. Because only faces will change but policies will be the same; Cuts in services, destruction of jobs, and privatisation of services. Companies like Balfour Beatty and Capita will still be minting even more money and the tax payers will be forced to pay for their massive greed . What is the alternative? Although I do not expect them to win many seats I will be voting for TUSC . Sadly left of centre is too busy in criticising each other when they should be joining together against all three main parties of the right, and also TUSC has hardly any money for running a professional campaign required for getting their message across . While I am very critical of TUSC campaign methods, and TUSC organiser is fully aware of my views, I won’t be surprised if in some places they could get more votes than Liberal Democrats, which could be TUSC’s launching pad for 2014 elections. Because by then NuLabour’s true blue colours will be exposed in action.[/p][/quote]Alot of TUSC's issues are where a certain poster on here is standing for them. How can you take such a party seriously? I am being honest when I say I may have considered them, I may never have voted for them but may have considered but when they allow people who cannot add up, openly lie, cannot type a single paragraph in English. Why would anyone take them seriously? They are known as the joke party on here, mainly due to one person. IronLady2010

8:36pm Sat 28 Apr 12

Linesman says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
What a surprise, NuLabourites in Council have eventually done something right. BUT I wonder if elections due on 3 May had anything to do with this con trick
.
Tories have seen the writing on the wall, that they will lose control of Council, so are trying to hand over whatever they can to privateers before leaving office, so their friends who are more interested in making profits than providing services could continue ripping the Council off
.
New Labour has been exposed as virtual off shoot of Tory Party, so they are only posing as socialists for securing traditional Labour vote by pretending to be on the left
.
I have no doubt that many old Labour voters will fall for this trap, as they have done many times before, BUT if anybody seriously believes that under champion of flip flopping Cllr. Williams leadership anything other than Tory policies will be implemented then be prepared for disappointment. Because only faces will change but policies will be the same; Cuts in services, destruction of jobs, and privatisation of services. Companies like Balfour Beatty and Capita will still be minting even more money and the tax payers will be forced to pay for their massive greed
.
What is the alternative? Although I do not expect them to win many seats I will be voting for TUSC
.
Sadly left of centre is too busy in criticising each other when they should be joining together against all three main parties of the right, and also TUSC has hardly any money for running a professional campaign required for getting their message across
.
While I am very critical of TUSC campaign methods, and TUSC organiser is fully aware of my views, I won’t be surprised if in some places they could get more votes than Liberal Democrats, which could be TUSC’s launching pad for 2014 elections. Because by then NuLabour’s true blue colours will be exposed in action.
Alot of TUSC's issues are where a certain poster on here is standing for them. How can you take such a party seriously?

I am being honest when I say I may have considered them, I may never have voted for them but may have considered but when they allow people who cannot add up, openly lie, cannot type a single paragraph in English. Why would anyone take them seriously?

They are known as the joke party on here, mainly due to one person.
I guess that counts you out then IronLady2010.

You tick all of those boxes.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: What a surprise, NuLabourites in Council have eventually done something right. BUT I wonder if elections due on 3 May had anything to do with this con trick . Tories have seen the writing on the wall, that they will lose control of Council, so are trying to hand over whatever they can to privateers before leaving office, so their friends who are more interested in making profits than providing services could continue ripping the Council off . New Labour has been exposed as virtual off shoot of Tory Party, so they are only posing as socialists for securing traditional Labour vote by pretending to be on the left . I have no doubt that many old Labour voters will fall for this trap, as they have done many times before, BUT if anybody seriously believes that under champion of flip flopping Cllr. Williams leadership anything other than Tory policies will be implemented then be prepared for disappointment. Because only faces will change but policies will be the same; Cuts in services, destruction of jobs, and privatisation of services. Companies like Balfour Beatty and Capita will still be minting even more money and the tax payers will be forced to pay for their massive greed . What is the alternative? Although I do not expect them to win many seats I will be voting for TUSC . Sadly left of centre is too busy in criticising each other when they should be joining together against all three main parties of the right, and also TUSC has hardly any money for running a professional campaign required for getting their message across . While I am very critical of TUSC campaign methods, and TUSC organiser is fully aware of my views, I won’t be surprised if in some places they could get more votes than Liberal Democrats, which could be TUSC’s launching pad for 2014 elections. Because by then NuLabour’s true blue colours will be exposed in action.[/p][/quote]Alot of TUSC's issues are where a certain poster on here is standing for them. How can you take such a party seriously? I am being honest when I say I may have considered them, I may never have voted for them but may have considered but when they allow people who cannot add up, openly lie, cannot type a single paragraph in English. Why would anyone take them seriously? They are known as the joke party on here, mainly due to one person.[/p][/quote]I guess that counts you out then IronLady2010. You tick all of those boxes. Linesman

8:42pm Sat 28 Apr 12

dennytg says...

Iron Lady ( first time Tory voter, yeh. )
Before criticising other posters spelling and grammar, run a spell check on your own contribution !!
Iron Lady ( first time Tory voter, yeh. ) Before criticising other posters spelling and grammar, run a spell check on your own contribution !! dennytg

2:05am Sun 29 Apr 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
What a surprise, NuLabourites in Council have eventually done something right. BUT I wonder if elections due on 3 May had anything to do with this con trick
.
Tories have seen the writing on the wall, that they will lose control of Council, so are trying to hand over whatever they can to privateers before leaving office, so their friends who are more interested in making profits than providing services could continue ripping the Council off
.
New Labour has been exposed as virtual off shoot of Tory Party, so they are only posing as socialists for securing traditional Labour vote by pretending to be on the left
.
I have no doubt that many old Labour voters will fall for this trap, as they have done many times before, BUT if anybody seriously believes that under champion of flip flopping Cllr. Williams leadership anything other than Tory policies will be implemented then be prepared for disappointment. Because only faces will change but policies will be the same; Cuts in services, destruction of jobs, and privatisation of services. Companies like Balfour Beatty and Capita will still be minting even more money and the tax payers will be forced to pay for their massive greed
.
What is the alternative? Although I do not expect them to win many seats I will be voting for TUSC
.
Sadly left of centre is too busy in criticising each other when they should be joining together against all three main parties of the right, and also TUSC has hardly any money for running a professional campaign required for getting their message across
.
While I am very critical of TUSC campaign methods, and TUSC organiser is fully aware of my views, I won’t be surprised if in some places they could get more votes than Liberal Democrats, which could be TUSC’s launching pad for 2014 elections. Because by then NuLabour’s true blue colours will be exposed in action.
Alot of TUSC's issues are where a certain poster on here is standing for them. How can you take such a party seriously?

I am being honest when I say I may have considered them, I may never have voted for them but may have considered but when they allow people who cannot add up, openly lie, cannot type a single paragraph in English. Why would anyone take them seriously?

They are known as the joke party on here, mainly due to one person.
I guess the one person you have mentioned may be Peter who posts under his nick name Southy. I know him well and he most certainly has never lied to me. Yes his spelling ability is not very good, but then consider Sir Jackie Stewart, who can hardly read or write but is exceptionally good at many other things
.
I believe that Southy is an honest person who is open with his political beliefs i.e. says what he means and means what he says. Sadly same cannot be said about most of our established political class
.
As a socialist I always respect others right to hold and express their views, people should apply the same standard to Southy
.
I also understand why you want to vote for self confessed nasties, the Tories
.
At least you are going to exercise your right to vote, sadly most who moan a lot do not bother to do that. That is why turn out is often low and those who get elected are not exactly the true reflection of what majority thinks
.
I do not expect everybody to share my view, but I think that missing majority contains lots of decent people who have been put off the system due to uncaring policies and often even out right dishonesty of three major political parties, all of which hardly differ on most major issues. So bit of blunt talking about real issues that matters to the people along with providing alternative policies parties like TUSC in the long run can mobilise that silent majority.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: What a surprise, NuLabourites in Council have eventually done something right. BUT I wonder if elections due on 3 May had anything to do with this con trick . Tories have seen the writing on the wall, that they will lose control of Council, so are trying to hand over whatever they can to privateers before leaving office, so their friends who are more interested in making profits than providing services could continue ripping the Council off . New Labour has been exposed as virtual off shoot of Tory Party, so they are only posing as socialists for securing traditional Labour vote by pretending to be on the left . I have no doubt that many old Labour voters will fall for this trap, as they have done many times before, BUT if anybody seriously believes that under champion of flip flopping Cllr. Williams leadership anything other than Tory policies will be implemented then be prepared for disappointment. Because only faces will change but policies will be the same; Cuts in services, destruction of jobs, and privatisation of services. Companies like Balfour Beatty and Capita will still be minting even more money and the tax payers will be forced to pay for their massive greed . What is the alternative? Although I do not expect them to win many seats I will be voting for TUSC . Sadly left of centre is too busy in criticising each other when they should be joining together against all three main parties of the right, and also TUSC has hardly any money for running a professional campaign required for getting their message across . While I am very critical of TUSC campaign methods, and TUSC organiser is fully aware of my views, I won’t be surprised if in some places they could get more votes than Liberal Democrats, which could be TUSC’s launching pad for 2014 elections. Because by then NuLabour’s true blue colours will be exposed in action.[/p][/quote]Alot of TUSC's issues are where a certain poster on here is standing for them. How can you take such a party seriously? I am being honest when I say I may have considered them, I may never have voted for them but may have considered but when they allow people who cannot add up, openly lie, cannot type a single paragraph in English. Why would anyone take them seriously? They are known as the joke party on here, mainly due to one person.[/p][/quote]I guess the one person you have mentioned may be Peter who posts under his nick name Southy. I know him well and he most certainly has never lied to me. Yes his spelling ability is not very good, but then consider Sir Jackie Stewart, who can hardly read or write but is exceptionally good at many other things . I believe that Southy is an honest person who is open with his political beliefs i.e. says what he means and means what he says. Sadly same cannot be said about most of our established political class . As a socialist I always respect others right to hold and express their views, people should apply the same standard to Southy . I also understand why you want to vote for self confessed nasties, the Tories . At least you are going to exercise your right to vote, sadly most who moan a lot do not bother to do that. That is why turn out is often low and those who get elected are not exactly the true reflection of what majority thinks . I do not expect everybody to share my view, but I think that missing majority contains lots of decent people who have been put off the system due to uncaring policies and often even out right dishonesty of three major political parties, all of which hardly differ on most major issues. So bit of blunt talking about real issues that matters to the people along with providing alternative policies parties like TUSC in the long run can mobilise that silent majority. Paramjit Bahia

6:27am Sun 29 Apr 12

skeptik says...

Owed to a spell chequer


Eye half a spelling chequer,
It came with my pea sea,
It plainly marques, for my revue,
Miss steaks eye kin knot sea.


Eye strike a key and type a word.
And weight four it two say,
Weather eye am wrong oar write,
It shows me strait a weigh.


As soon as a mist ache is maid
It nose be fore two long,
And eye can put the error write;
It's rare lea ever wrong.


Eye half run this poem threw it,
Eye am shore your pleased two no,
It's letter purfect awl the weigh,
My chequer tolled me sew.
Owed to a spell chequer Eye half a spelling chequer, It came with my pea sea, It plainly marques, for my revue, Miss steaks eye kin knot sea. Eye strike a key and type a word. And weight four it two say, Weather eye am wrong oar write, It shows me strait a weigh. As soon as a mist ache is maid It nose be fore two long, And eye can put the error write; It's rare lea ever wrong. Eye half run this poem threw it, Eye am shore your pleased two no, It's letter purfect awl the weigh, My chequer tolled me sew. skeptik

6:33am Sun 29 Apr 12

skeptik says...

At this point my long experience tells me that the political system has two main opposing teams of liars, each will tell that their system works and each time it fails. A mix of ideology,amateurish incompetence and a belief that the money will be found to waste on the latest madcap scheme. Socialism is a failed system and capitalism succumbs to greed. Both attract good honest folk, but good honest folk are pushed aside by self seekers in all parties.
At this point my long experience tells me that the political system has two main opposing teams of liars, each will tell that their system works and each time it fails. A mix of ideology,amateurish incompetence and a belief that the money will be found to waste on the latest madcap scheme. Socialism is a failed system and capitalism succumbs to greed. Both attract good honest folk, but good honest folk are pushed aside by self seekers in all parties. skeptik

6:40pm Mon 30 Apr 12

Shoong says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
What a surprise, NuLabourites in Council have eventually done something right. BUT I wonder if elections due on 3 May had anything to do with this con trick
.
Tories have seen the writing on the wall, that they will lose control of Council, so are trying to hand over whatever they can to privateers before leaving office, so their friends who are more interested in making profits than providing services could continue ripping the Council off
.
New Labour has been exposed as virtual off shoot of Tory Party, so they are only posing as socialists for securing traditional Labour vote by pretending to be on the left
.
I have no doubt that many old Labour voters will fall for this trap, as they have done many times before, BUT if anybody seriously believes that under champion of flip flopping Cllr. Williams leadership anything other than Tory policies will be implemented then be prepared for disappointment. Because only faces will change but policies will be the same; Cuts in services, destruction of jobs, and privatisation of services. Companies like Balfour Beatty and Capita will still be minting even more money and the tax payers will be forced to pay for their massive greed
.
What is the alternative? Although I do not expect them to win many seats I will be voting for TUSC
.
Sadly left of centre is too busy in criticising each other when they should be joining together against all three main parties of the right, and also TUSC has hardly any money for running a professional campaign required for getting their message across
.
While I am very critical of TUSC campaign methods, and TUSC organiser is fully aware of my views, I won’t be surprised if in some places they could get more votes than Liberal Democrats, which could be TUSC’s launching pad for 2014 elections. Because by then NuLabour’s true blue colours will be exposed in action.
Alot of TUSC's issues are where a certain poster on here is standing for them. How can you take such a party seriously?

I am being honest when I say I may have considered them, I may never have voted for them but may have considered but when they allow people who cannot add up, openly lie, cannot type a single paragraph in English. Why would anyone take them seriously?

They are known as the joke party on here, mainly due to one person.
I guess the one person you have mentioned may be Peter who posts under his nick name Southy. I know him well and he most certainly has never lied to me. Yes his spelling ability is not very good, but then consider Sir Jackie Stewart, who can hardly read or write but is exceptionally good at many other things
.
I believe that Southy is an honest person who is open with his political beliefs i.e. says what he means and means what he says. Sadly same cannot be said about most of our established political class
.
As a socialist I always respect others right to hold and express their views, people should apply the same standard to Southy
.
I also understand why you want to vote for self confessed nasties, the Tories
.
At least you are going to exercise your right to vote, sadly most who moan a lot do not bother to do that. That is why turn out is often low and those who get elected are not exactly the true reflection of what majority thinks
.
I do not expect everybody to share my view, but I think that missing majority contains lots of decent people who have been put off the system due to uncaring policies and often even out right dishonesty of three major political parties, all of which hardly differ on most major issues. So bit of blunt talking about real issues that matters to the people along with providing alternative policies parties like TUSC in the long run can mobilise that silent majority.
I bet you can't even be ar5ed to vote on the 3rd.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: What a surprise, NuLabourites in Council have eventually done something right. BUT I wonder if elections due on 3 May had anything to do with this con trick . Tories have seen the writing on the wall, that they will lose control of Council, so are trying to hand over whatever they can to privateers before leaving office, so their friends who are more interested in making profits than providing services could continue ripping the Council off . New Labour has been exposed as virtual off shoot of Tory Party, so they are only posing as socialists for securing traditional Labour vote by pretending to be on the left . I have no doubt that many old Labour voters will fall for this trap, as they have done many times before, BUT if anybody seriously believes that under champion of flip flopping Cllr. Williams leadership anything other than Tory policies will be implemented then be prepared for disappointment. Because only faces will change but policies will be the same; Cuts in services, destruction of jobs, and privatisation of services. Companies like Balfour Beatty and Capita will still be minting even more money and the tax payers will be forced to pay for their massive greed . What is the alternative? Although I do not expect them to win many seats I will be voting for TUSC . Sadly left of centre is too busy in criticising each other when they should be joining together against all three main parties of the right, and also TUSC has hardly any money for running a professional campaign required for getting their message across . While I am very critical of TUSC campaign methods, and TUSC organiser is fully aware of my views, I won’t be surprised if in some places they could get more votes than Liberal Democrats, which could be TUSC’s launching pad for 2014 elections. Because by then NuLabour’s true blue colours will be exposed in action.[/p][/quote]Alot of TUSC's issues are where a certain poster on here is standing for them. How can you take such a party seriously? I am being honest when I say I may have considered them, I may never have voted for them but may have considered but when they allow people who cannot add up, openly lie, cannot type a single paragraph in English. Why would anyone take them seriously? They are known as the joke party on here, mainly due to one person.[/p][/quote]I guess the one person you have mentioned may be Peter who posts under his nick name Southy. I know him well and he most certainly has never lied to me. Yes his spelling ability is not very good, but then consider Sir Jackie Stewart, who can hardly read or write but is exceptionally good at many other things . I believe that Southy is an honest person who is open with his political beliefs i.e. says what he means and means what he says. Sadly same cannot be said about most of our established political class . As a socialist I always respect others right to hold and express their views, people should apply the same standard to Southy . I also understand why you want to vote for self confessed nasties, the Tories . At least you are going to exercise your right to vote, sadly most who moan a lot do not bother to do that. That is why turn out is often low and those who get elected are not exactly the true reflection of what majority thinks . I do not expect everybody to share my view, but I think that missing majority contains lots of decent people who have been put off the system due to uncaring policies and often even out right dishonesty of three major political parties, all of which hardly differ on most major issues. So bit of blunt talking about real issues that matters to the people along with providing alternative policies parties like TUSC in the long run can mobilise that silent majority.[/p][/quote]I bet you can't even be ar5ed to vote on the 3rd. Shoong

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