Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg backs nurses on Southampton visit

Daily Echo: Nick Clegg chats with 11-year-old Paul Harrison on a visit to the children's cancer ward Nick Clegg chats with 11-year-old Paul Harrison on a visit to the children's cancer ward

LIBERAL Democrat leader Nick Clegg today pledged to give nurses a bigger say over the NHS as his battlebus rolled into Southampton.

On a visit to Southampton General Hospital he said he wanted to protect specialist nurses, accident and emergency, maternity wards and GP services from health cuts “even though money was tight.”

But he hit out the increasing number of mangers and administrators saying they now outnumbered the number of beds, adding “there will be no ring fencing of bureaucracy”.

Mr Clegg was joined by his shadow chancellor Vince Cable and Romsey and Southampton North candidate Sandra Gidley on a tour of a children’s ward.

Inside, he was challenged about how he would fund new cancer treatments.

Craig Phillpot, from Christchurch, Dorset, said the Lib Dem leader gave a ''typical politician's answer'' that he would fund new treatments but would need to find the savings to pay for them.

Mr Phillpot, whose 20-month-old daughter Georgia has acute myeloid leukaemia, said: ''I asked is he going to ensure, under his power, that cancer drugs and treatments that become available are going to be funded because that's critical for advancing the fight against leukaemia.

''He said yes, apart from he has to find where he can get the savings he will need, which is a typical politician's answer.''

Mr Clegg also chatted about rugby with 11-year-old Paul Harrison, from Charmouth, West Dorset.

Paul said he hoped to return to playing second row after treatment for lymphoma.

Mr Clegg said he used to be a flanker in his school days but warned that the game got ''much more brutal'' as children grew.

It was the Lib Dem leader’s second visit to Hampshire on the general election campaign.

He earlier visited a cable factory in Eastleigh to support Lib Dem candidate and home affairs spokesman Chris Huhne.

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4:07pm Tue 27 Apr 10

Mr Ellis says...

OK, I have my gumshield in.

Please can politicians leave the doctors and nurses alone. They should not be used for political purposes. Also, neither should patients be embarassed and humiliated by an entourage touring the wards. This is aimed at all three leaders - they are as bad as each other.
OK, I have my gumshield in. Please can politicians leave the doctors and nurses alone. They should not be used for political purposes. Also, neither should patients be embarassed and humiliated by an entourage touring the wards. This is aimed at all three leaders - they are as bad as each other. Mr Ellis

4:44pm Tue 27 Apr 10

freefinker says...

Mr Ellis wrote:
OK, I have my gumshield in.

Please can politicians leave the doctors and nurses alone. They should not be used for political purposes. Also, neither should patients be embarassed and humiliated by an entourage touring the wards. This is aimed at all three leaders - they are as bad as each other.
I'm getting very worried as I agree with you. That's twice in one month.
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In the 80's I carried a credit-card sized "Thatch-card", stating that if I was ever unfortunate enough to be hospitalised following a newsworthy disaster I most definitely did NOT wish to have Thatcher doing a bedside visit with the media in tow.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: OK, I have my gumshield in. Please can politicians leave the doctors and nurses alone. They should not be used for political purposes. Also, neither should patients be embarassed and humiliated by an entourage touring the wards. This is aimed at all three leaders - they are as bad as each other.[/p][/quote]I'm getting very worried as I agree with you. That's twice in one month. . In the 80's I carried a credit-card sized "Thatch-card", stating that if I was ever unfortunate enough to be hospitalised following a newsworthy disaster I most definitely did NOT wish to have Thatcher doing a bedside visit with the media in tow. freefinker

4:52pm Tue 27 Apr 10

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote:
OK, I have my gumshield in.

Please can politicians leave the doctors and nurses alone. They should not be used for political purposes. Also, neither should patients be embarassed and humiliated by an entourage touring the wards. This is aimed at all three leaders - they are as bad as each other.
I'm getting very worried as I agree with you. That's twice in one month.
.
In the 80's I carried a credit-card sized "Thatch-card", stating that if I was ever unfortunate enough to be hospitalised following a newsworthy disaster I most definitely did NOT wish to have Thatcher doing a bedside visit with the media in tow.
lol **** i wish i had one of those, could of done with one when i had a stay in musgrove hospital. it was not thatcher lo it was some other dumb down tory.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: OK, I have my gumshield in. Please can politicians leave the doctors and nurses alone. They should not be used for political purposes. Also, neither should patients be embarassed and humiliated by an entourage touring the wards. This is aimed at all three leaders - they are as bad as each other.[/p][/quote]I'm getting very worried as I agree with you. That's twice in one month. . In the 80's I carried a credit-card sized "Thatch-card", stating that if I was ever unfortunate enough to be hospitalised following a newsworthy disaster I most definitely did NOT wish to have Thatcher doing a bedside visit with the media in tow.[/p][/quote]lol **** i wish i had one of those, could of done with one when i had a stay in musgrove hospital. it was not thatcher lo it was some other dumb down tory. southy

5:10pm Tue 27 Apr 10

Redback says...

All that bureaucracy and management IS needed at the moment, because of the never ceasing flood of demands and initiative coming from the Department of Health.

So I agree with Clegg that it should be cut, but he has to deal with the source. The blame does not lie with local Trusts.
All that bureaucracy and management IS needed at the moment, because of the never ceasing flood of demands and initiative coming from the Department of Health. So I agree with Clegg that it should be cut, but he has to deal with the source. The blame does not lie with local Trusts. Redback

5:13pm Tue 27 Apr 10

Mr Ellis says...

freefinker wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote: OK, I have my gumshield in. Please can politicians leave the doctors and nurses alone. They should not be used for political purposes. Also, neither should patients be embarassed and humiliated by an entourage touring the wards. This is aimed at all three leaders - they are as bad as each other.
I'm getting very worried as I agree with you. That's twice in one month. . In the 80's I carried a credit-card sized "Thatch-card", stating that if I was ever unfortunate enough to be hospitalised following a newsworthy disaster I most definitely did NOT wish to have Thatcher doing a bedside visit with the media in tow.
The worst thing is that it is a children's ward. How cynical to exploit sick children in an effort to gain their parents' votes. Any chance of me voting Lib Dem has gone now.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: OK, I have my gumshield in. Please can politicians leave the doctors and nurses alone. They should not be used for political purposes. Also, neither should patients be embarassed and humiliated by an entourage touring the wards. This is aimed at all three leaders - they are as bad as each other.[/p][/quote]I'm getting very worried as I agree with you. That's twice in one month. . In the 80's I carried a credit-card sized "Thatch-card", stating that if I was ever unfortunate enough to be hospitalised following a newsworthy disaster I most definitely did NOT wish to have Thatcher doing a bedside visit with the media in tow.[/p][/quote]The worst thing is that it is a children's ward. How cynical to exploit sick children in an effort to gain their parents' votes. Any chance of me voting Lib Dem has gone now. Mr Ellis

6:45pm Tue 27 Apr 10

Lone Ranger says...

Mr Ellis wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote: OK, I have my gumshield in. Please can politicians leave the doctors and nurses alone. They should not be used for political purposes. Also, neither should patients be embarassed and humiliated by an entourage touring the wards. This is aimed at all three leaders - they are as bad as each other.
I'm getting very worried as I agree with you. That's twice in one month. . In the 80's I carried a credit-card sized "Thatch-card", stating that if I was ever unfortunate enough to be hospitalised following a newsworthy disaster I most definitely did NOT wish to have Thatcher doing a bedside visit with the media in tow.
The worst thing is that it is a children's ward. How cynical to exploit sick children in an effort to gain their parents' votes. Any chance of me voting Lib Dem has gone now.
I agree that campaigning in hospitals and in particular is lousy to say the least..........but lets be honest......you were never going to vote Lib Dems anyway
[quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: OK, I have my gumshield in. Please can politicians leave the doctors and nurses alone. They should not be used for political purposes. Also, neither should patients be embarassed and humiliated by an entourage touring the wards. This is aimed at all three leaders - they are as bad as each other.[/p][/quote]I'm getting very worried as I agree with you. That's twice in one month. . In the 80's I carried a credit-card sized "Thatch-card", stating that if I was ever unfortunate enough to be hospitalised following a newsworthy disaster I most definitely did NOT wish to have Thatcher doing a bedside visit with the media in tow.[/p][/quote]The worst thing is that it is a children's ward. How cynical to exploit sick children in an effort to gain their parents' votes. Any chance of me voting Lib Dem has gone now.[/p][/quote]I agree that campaigning in hospitals and in particular is lousy to say the least..........but lets be honest......you were never going to vote Lib Dems anyway Lone Ranger

7:11pm Tue 27 Apr 10

downfader says...

Lone Ranger wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote: OK, I have my gumshield in. Please can politicians leave the doctors and nurses alone. They should not be used for political purposes. Also, neither should patients be embarassed and humiliated by an entourage touring the wards. This is aimed at all three leaders - they are as bad as each other.
I'm getting very worried as I agree with you. That's twice in one month. . In the 80's I carried a credit-card sized "Thatch-card", stating that if I was ever unfortunate enough to be hospitalised following a newsworthy disaster I most definitely did NOT wish to have Thatcher doing a bedside visit with the media in tow.
The worst thing is that it is a children's ward. How cynical to exploit sick children in an effort to gain their parents' votes. Any chance of me voting Lib Dem has gone now.
I agree that campaigning in hospitals and in particular is lousy to say the least..........but lets be honest......you were never going to vote Lib Dems anyway
I wasnt, but I am now. I changed my mind from die hard labour supporter about 2 months back. Did a load of research on the Tories and Libs about 6 months back. Reading up on all sorts. Nearly swayed by the Tories but the whole fox hunting nonsense, NHS and bankers rubbish they came out with put me right off.
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Voting Libdem now. Dont particularly care what detractors have to say, or the scaremongers out there. They just seem right now.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: OK, I have my gumshield in. Please can politicians leave the doctors and nurses alone. They should not be used for political purposes. Also, neither should patients be embarassed and humiliated by an entourage touring the wards. This is aimed at all three leaders - they are as bad as each other.[/p][/quote]I'm getting very worried as I agree with you. That's twice in one month. . In the 80's I carried a credit-card sized "Thatch-card", stating that if I was ever unfortunate enough to be hospitalised following a newsworthy disaster I most definitely did NOT wish to have Thatcher doing a bedside visit with the media in tow.[/p][/quote]The worst thing is that it is a children's ward. How cynical to exploit sick children in an effort to gain their parents' votes. Any chance of me voting Lib Dem has gone now.[/p][/quote]I agree that campaigning in hospitals and in particular is lousy to say the least..........but lets be honest......you were never going to vote Lib Dems anyway[/p][/quote]I wasnt, but I am now. I changed my mind from die hard labour supporter about 2 months back. Did a load of research on the Tories and Libs about 6 months back. Reading up on all sorts. Nearly swayed by the Tories but the whole fox hunting nonsense, NHS and bankers rubbish they came out with put me right off. . Voting Libdem now. Dont particularly care what detractors have to say, or the scaremongers out there. They just seem right now. downfader

7:38pm Tue 27 Apr 10

Mr Ellis says...

Lone Ranger wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote: OK, I have my gumshield in. Please can politicians leave the doctors and nurses alone. They should not be used for political purposes. Also, neither should patients be embarassed and humiliated by an entourage touring the wards. This is aimed at all three leaders - they are as bad as each other.
I'm getting very worried as I agree with you. That's twice in one month. . In the 80's I carried a credit-card sized "Thatch-card", stating that if I was ever unfortunate enough to be hospitalised following a newsworthy disaster I most definitely did NOT wish to have Thatcher doing a bedside visit with the media in tow.
The worst thing is that it is a children's ward. How cynical to exploit sick children in an effort to gain their parents' votes. Any chance of me voting Lib Dem has gone now.
I agree that campaigning in hospitals and in particular is lousy to say the least..........but lets be honest......you were never going to vote Lib Dems anyway
OK, fair enough. You've got me there.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: OK, I have my gumshield in. Please can politicians leave the doctors and nurses alone. They should not be used for political purposes. Also, neither should patients be embarassed and humiliated by an entourage touring the wards. This is aimed at all three leaders - they are as bad as each other.[/p][/quote]I'm getting very worried as I agree with you. That's twice in one month. . In the 80's I carried a credit-card sized "Thatch-card", stating that if I was ever unfortunate enough to be hospitalised following a newsworthy disaster I most definitely did NOT wish to have Thatcher doing a bedside visit with the media in tow.[/p][/quote]The worst thing is that it is a children's ward. How cynical to exploit sick children in an effort to gain their parents' votes. Any chance of me voting Lib Dem has gone now.[/p][/quote]I agree that campaigning in hospitals and in particular is lousy to say the least..........but lets be honest......you were never going to vote Lib Dems anyway[/p][/quote]OK, fair enough. You've got me there. Mr Ellis

7:45pm Tue 27 Apr 10

Condor Man says...

downfader wrote:
Lone Ranger wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote: OK, I have my gumshield in. Please can politicians leave the doctors and nurses alone. They should not be used for political purposes. Also, neither should patients be embarassed and humiliated by an entourage touring the wards. This is aimed at all three leaders - they are as bad as each other.
I'm getting very worried as I agree with you. That's twice in one month. . In the 80's I carried a credit-card sized "Thatch-card", stating that if I was ever unfortunate enough to be hospitalised following a newsworthy disaster I most definitely did NOT wish to have Thatcher doing a bedside visit with the media in tow.
The worst thing is that it is a children's ward. How cynical to exploit sick children in an effort to gain their parents' votes. Any chance of me voting Lib Dem has gone now.
I agree that campaigning in hospitals and in particular is lousy to say the least..........but lets be honest......you were never going to vote Lib Dems anyway
I wasnt, but I am now. I changed my mind from die hard labour supporter about 2 months back. Did a load of research on the Tories and Libs about 6 months back. Reading up on all sorts. Nearly swayed by the Tories but the whole fox hunting nonsense, NHS and bankers rubbish they came out with put me right off. . Voting Libdem now. Dont particularly care what detractors have to say, or the scaremongers out there. They just seem right now.
You'll rue the day you made that decision. A vote for the Lib Dems is a vote for Brown, it's not a threat, we all know that Clegg will favour Labour as most of his party are ex Labour. The Lib Dems are a waste of time, look at Gidley in Romsey and her shame attack on the police.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: OK, I have my gumshield in. Please can politicians leave the doctors and nurses alone. They should not be used for political purposes. Also, neither should patients be embarassed and humiliated by an entourage touring the wards. This is aimed at all three leaders - they are as bad as each other.[/p][/quote]I'm getting very worried as I agree with you. That's twice in one month. . In the 80's I carried a credit-card sized "Thatch-card", stating that if I was ever unfortunate enough to be hospitalised following a newsworthy disaster I most definitely did NOT wish to have Thatcher doing a bedside visit with the media in tow.[/p][/quote]The worst thing is that it is a children's ward. How cynical to exploit sick children in an effort to gain their parents' votes. Any chance of me voting Lib Dem has gone now.[/p][/quote]I agree that campaigning in hospitals and in particular is lousy to say the least..........but lets be honest......you were never going to vote Lib Dems anyway[/p][/quote]I wasnt, but I am now. I changed my mind from die hard labour supporter about 2 months back. Did a load of research on the Tories and Libs about 6 months back. Reading up on all sorts. Nearly swayed by the Tories but the whole fox hunting nonsense, NHS and bankers rubbish they came out with put me right off. . Voting Libdem now. Dont particularly care what detractors have to say, or the scaremongers out there. They just seem right now.[/p][/quote]You'll rue the day you made that decision. A vote for the Lib Dems is a vote for Brown, it's not a threat, we all know that Clegg will favour Labour as most of his party are ex Labour. The Lib Dems are a waste of time, look at Gidley in Romsey and her shame attack on the police. Condor Man

7:53pm Tue 27 Apr 10

southy says...

Condor Man wrote:
downfader wrote:
Lone Ranger wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote: OK, I have my gumshield in. Please can politicians leave the doctors and nurses alone. They should not be used for political purposes. Also, neither should patients be embarassed and humiliated by an entourage touring the wards. This is aimed at all three leaders - they are as bad as each other.
I'm getting very worried as I agree with you. That's twice in one month. . In the 80's I carried a credit-card sized "Thatch-card", stating that if I was ever unfortunate enough to be hospitalised following a newsworthy disaster I most definitely did NOT wish to have Thatcher doing a bedside visit with the media in tow.
The worst thing is that it is a children's ward. How cynical to exploit sick children in an effort to gain their parents' votes. Any chance of me voting Lib Dem has gone now.
I agree that campaigning in hospitals and in particular is lousy to say the least..........but lets be honest......you were never going to vote Lib Dems anyway
I wasnt, but I am now. I changed my mind from die hard labour supporter about 2 months back. Did a load of research on the Tories and Libs about 6 months back. Reading up on all sorts. Nearly swayed by the Tories but the whole fox hunting nonsense, NHS and bankers rubbish they came out with put me right off. . Voting Libdem now. Dont particularly care what detractors have to say, or the scaremongers out there. They just seem right now.
You'll rue the day you made that decision. A vote for the Lib Dems is a vote for Brown, it's not a threat, we all know that Clegg will favour Labour as most of his party are ex Labour. The Lib Dems are a waste of time, look at Gidley in Romsey and her shame attack on the police.
a vote for the liberals is a vote for the middle class, whitch is ten times better than a wasted vote on the hooah henry class the torys
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: OK, I have my gumshield in. Please can politicians leave the doctors and nurses alone. They should not be used for political purposes. Also, neither should patients be embarassed and humiliated by an entourage touring the wards. This is aimed at all three leaders - they are as bad as each other.[/p][/quote]I'm getting very worried as I agree with you. That's twice in one month. . In the 80's I carried a credit-card sized "Thatch-card", stating that if I was ever unfortunate enough to be hospitalised following a newsworthy disaster I most definitely did NOT wish to have Thatcher doing a bedside visit with the media in tow.[/p][/quote]The worst thing is that it is a children's ward. How cynical to exploit sick children in an effort to gain their parents' votes. Any chance of me voting Lib Dem has gone now.[/p][/quote]I agree that campaigning in hospitals and in particular is lousy to say the least..........but lets be honest......you were never going to vote Lib Dems anyway[/p][/quote]I wasnt, but I am now. I changed my mind from die hard labour supporter about 2 months back. Did a load of research on the Tories and Libs about 6 months back. Reading up on all sorts. Nearly swayed by the Tories but the whole fox hunting nonsense, NHS and bankers rubbish they came out with put me right off. . Voting Libdem now. Dont particularly care what detractors have to say, or the scaremongers out there. They just seem right now.[/p][/quote]You'll rue the day you made that decision. A vote for the Lib Dems is a vote for Brown, it's not a threat, we all know that Clegg will favour Labour as most of his party are ex Labour. The Lib Dems are a waste of time, look at Gidley in Romsey and her shame attack on the police.[/p][/quote]a vote for the liberals is a vote for the middle class, whitch is ten times better than a wasted vote on the hooah henry class the torys southy

8:06pm Tue 27 Apr 10

Redback says...

Condor Man wrote:
downfader wrote:
Lone Ranger wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote: OK, I have my gumshield in. Please can politicians leave the doctors and nurses alone. They should not be used for political purposes. Also, neither should patients be embarassed and humiliated by an entourage touring the wards. This is aimed at all three leaders - they are as bad as each other.
I'm getting very worried as I agree with you. That's twice in one month. . In the 80's I carried a credit-card sized "Thatch-card", stating that if I was ever unfortunate enough to be hospitalised following a newsworthy disaster I most definitely did NOT wish to have Thatcher doing a bedside visit with the media in tow.
The worst thing is that it is a children's ward. How cynical to exploit sick children in an effort to gain their parents' votes. Any chance of me voting Lib Dem has gone now.
I agree that campaigning in hospitals and in particular is lousy to say the least..........but lets be honest......you were never going to vote Lib Dems anyway
I wasnt, but I am now. I changed my mind from die hard labour supporter about 2 months back. Did a load of research on the Tories and Libs about 6 months back. Reading up on all sorts. Nearly swayed by the Tories but the whole fox hunting nonsense, NHS and bankers rubbish they came out with put me right off. . Voting Libdem now. Dont particularly care what detractors have to say, or the scaremongers out there. They just seem right now.
You'll rue the day you made that decision. A vote for the Lib Dems is a vote for Brown, it's not a threat, we all know that Clegg will favour Labour as most of his party are ex Labour. The Lib Dems are a waste of time, look at Gidley in Romsey and her shame attack on the police.
Vote Cameron, Get Thatcher.
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: OK, I have my gumshield in. Please can politicians leave the doctors and nurses alone. They should not be used for political purposes. Also, neither should patients be embarassed and humiliated by an entourage touring the wards. This is aimed at all three leaders - they are as bad as each other.[/p][/quote]I'm getting very worried as I agree with you. That's twice in one month. . In the 80's I carried a credit-card sized "Thatch-card", stating that if I was ever unfortunate enough to be hospitalised following a newsworthy disaster I most definitely did NOT wish to have Thatcher doing a bedside visit with the media in tow.[/p][/quote]The worst thing is that it is a children's ward. How cynical to exploit sick children in an effort to gain their parents' votes. Any chance of me voting Lib Dem has gone now.[/p][/quote]I agree that campaigning in hospitals and in particular is lousy to say the least..........but lets be honest......you were never going to vote Lib Dems anyway[/p][/quote]I wasnt, but I am now. I changed my mind from die hard labour supporter about 2 months back. Did a load of research on the Tories and Libs about 6 months back. Reading up on all sorts. Nearly swayed by the Tories but the whole fox hunting nonsense, NHS and bankers rubbish they came out with put me right off. . Voting Libdem now. Dont particularly care what detractors have to say, or the scaremongers out there. They just seem right now.[/p][/quote]You'll rue the day you made that decision. A vote for the Lib Dems is a vote for Brown, it's not a threat, we all know that Clegg will favour Labour as most of his party are ex Labour. The Lib Dems are a waste of time, look at Gidley in Romsey and her shame attack on the police.[/p][/quote]Vote Cameron, Get Thatcher. Redback

9:03pm Tue 27 Apr 10

downfader says...

Condor Man wrote:
downfader wrote:
Lone Ranger wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote: OK, I have my gumshield in. Please can politicians leave the doctors and nurses alone. They should not be used for political purposes. Also, neither should patients be embarassed and humiliated by an entourage touring the wards. This is aimed at all three leaders - they are as bad as each other.
I'm getting very worried as I agree with you. That's twice in one month. . In the 80's I carried a credit-card sized "Thatch-card", stating that if I was ever unfortunate enough to be hospitalised following a newsworthy disaster I most definitely did NOT wish to have Thatcher doing a bedside visit with the media in tow.
The worst thing is that it is a children's ward. How cynical to exploit sick children in an effort to gain their parents' votes. Any chance of me voting Lib Dem has gone now.
I agree that campaigning in hospitals and in particular is lousy to say the least..........but lets be honest......you were never going to vote Lib Dems anyway
I wasnt, but I am now. I changed my mind from die hard labour supporter about 2 months back. Did a load of research on the Tories and Libs about 6 months back. Reading up on all sorts. Nearly swayed by the Tories but the whole fox hunting nonsense, NHS and bankers rubbish they came out with put me right off. . Voting Libdem now. Dont particularly care what detractors have to say, or the scaremongers out there. They just seem right now.
You'll rue the day you made that decision. A vote for the Lib Dems is a vote for Brown, it's not a threat, we all know that Clegg will favour Labour as most of his party are ex Labour. The Lib Dems are a waste of time, look at Gidley in Romsey and her shame attack on the police.
I rue the day I voted for Blair!
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You say its a vote for Labour if I tick the Libdem box, but frankly we'll at worst have a hung parliament... maybe we'll end up with a proper coalition. All those who say coalition governentwould be bad seem to forget Churchill.
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Lets look at this another way. Where I work its always been about union support and everyone I know has been Labour supporters. Pretty much everyone there is now talking Liberal, they've had enough of Labour - Labour stabbed the workers in the back. The messed up people's savings and investments. The refused to put a cap on bonuses for bankers when the taxpayer took over a few banks. The criticised workers for strike action (bin men, etc) because they refused to pushed around for less money and silly or dangerous working conditions.
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People have had enough. The Tories are no better. They want to reduce national insurance contributions, they refuse to accept that the Banks need stricter control. They refuse to accept that offshore savings need stricter controls (several of the shadow cabinet have savings in this way and avoid UK taxation on those savings). The list goes on. Politics needs an overhaul.
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: OK, I have my gumshield in. Please can politicians leave the doctors and nurses alone. They should not be used for political purposes. Also, neither should patients be embarassed and humiliated by an entourage touring the wards. This is aimed at all three leaders - they are as bad as each other.[/p][/quote]I'm getting very worried as I agree with you. That's twice in one month. . In the 80's I carried a credit-card sized "Thatch-card", stating that if I was ever unfortunate enough to be hospitalised following a newsworthy disaster I most definitely did NOT wish to have Thatcher doing a bedside visit with the media in tow.[/p][/quote]The worst thing is that it is a children's ward. How cynical to exploit sick children in an effort to gain their parents' votes. Any chance of me voting Lib Dem has gone now.[/p][/quote]I agree that campaigning in hospitals and in particular is lousy to say the least..........but lets be honest......you were never going to vote Lib Dems anyway[/p][/quote]I wasnt, but I am now. I changed my mind from die hard labour supporter about 2 months back. Did a load of research on the Tories and Libs about 6 months back. Reading up on all sorts. Nearly swayed by the Tories but the whole fox hunting nonsense, NHS and bankers rubbish they came out with put me right off. . Voting Libdem now. Dont particularly care what detractors have to say, or the scaremongers out there. They just seem right now.[/p][/quote]You'll rue the day you made that decision. A vote for the Lib Dems is a vote for Brown, it's not a threat, we all know that Clegg will favour Labour as most of his party are ex Labour. The Lib Dems are a waste of time, look at Gidley in Romsey and her shame attack on the police.[/p][/quote]I rue the day I voted for Blair! . You say its a vote for Labour if I tick the Libdem box, but frankly we'll at worst have a hung parliament... maybe we'll end up with a proper coalition. All those who say coalition governentwould be bad seem to forget Churchill. . Lets look at this another way. Where I work its always been about union support and everyone I know has been Labour supporters. Pretty much everyone there is now talking Liberal, they've had enough of Labour - Labour stabbed the workers in the back. The messed up people's savings and investments. The refused to put a cap on bonuses for bankers when the taxpayer took over a few banks. The criticised workers for strike action (bin men, etc) because they refused to pushed around for less money and silly or dangerous working conditions. . People have had enough. The Tories are no better. They want to reduce national insurance contributions, they refuse to accept that the Banks need stricter control. They refuse to accept that offshore savings need stricter controls (several of the shadow cabinet have savings in this way and avoid UK taxation on those savings). The list goes on. Politics needs an overhaul. downfader

9:06pm Tue 27 Apr 10

The Wickham Man says...

I admire anyone regardless of persuasion who at least considers where to place their vote. There is nothing more pointless than someone who prides themselves as a lifelong xxxxxx supporter as though it is supporting a football team. People should look at all the parties and vote according to who is most convincing at this particular juncture. After all you can vote them out again in four years if they mess up. One of the few things on which I do agree with Southy is that politically the main parties are politically very similar esp Tory-lite and nulabour, so you might as well vote for competence rather than pointless political dogma.
I admire anyone regardless of persuasion who at least considers where to place their vote. There is nothing more pointless than someone who prides themselves as a lifelong xxxxxx supporter as though it is supporting a football team. People should look at all the parties and vote according to who is most convincing at this particular juncture. After all you can vote them out again in four years if they mess up. One of the few things on which I do agree with Southy is that politically the main parties are politically very similar esp Tory-lite and nulabour, so you might as well vote for competence rather than pointless political dogma. The Wickham Man

9:54am Wed 28 Apr 10

southy says...

downfader wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
downfader wrote:
Lone Ranger wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote: OK, I have my gumshield in. Please can politicians leave the doctors and nurses alone. They should not be used for political purposes. Also, neither should patients be embarassed and humiliated by an entourage touring the wards. This is aimed at all three leaders - they are as bad as each other.
I'm getting very worried as I agree with you. That's twice in one month. . In the 80's I carried a credit-card sized "Thatch-card", stating that if I was ever unfortunate enough to be hospitalised following a newsworthy disaster I most definitely did NOT wish to have Thatcher doing a bedside visit with the media in tow.
The worst thing is that it is a children's ward. How cynical to exploit sick children in an effort to gain their parents' votes. Any chance of me voting Lib Dem has gone now.
I agree that campaigning in hospitals and in particular is lousy to say the least..........but lets be honest......you were never going to vote Lib Dems anyway
I wasnt, but I am now. I changed my mind from die hard labour supporter about 2 months back. Did a load of research on the Tories and Libs about 6 months back. Reading up on all sorts. Nearly swayed by the Tories but the whole fox hunting nonsense, NHS and bankers rubbish they came out with put me right off. . Voting Libdem now. Dont particularly care what detractors have to say, or the scaremongers out there. They just seem right now.
You'll rue the day you made that decision. A vote for the Lib Dems is a vote for Brown, it's not a threat, we all know that Clegg will favour Labour as most of his party are ex Labour. The Lib Dems are a waste of time, look at Gidley in Romsey and her shame attack on the police.
I rue the day I voted for Blair!
.
You say its a vote for Labour if I tick the Libdem box, but frankly we'll at worst have a hung parliament... maybe we'll end up with a proper coalition. All those who say coalition governentwould be bad seem to forget Churchill.
.
Lets look at this another way. Where I work its always been about union support and everyone I know has been Labour supporters. Pretty much everyone there is now talking Liberal, they've had enough of Labour - Labour stabbed the workers in the back. The messed up people's savings and investments. The refused to put a cap on bonuses for bankers when the taxpayer took over a few banks. The criticised workers for strike action (bin men, etc) because they refused to pushed around for less money and silly or dangerous working conditions.
.
People have had enough. The Tories are no better. They want to reduce national insurance contributions, they refuse to accept that the Banks need stricter control. They refuse to accept that offshore savings need stricter controls (several of the shadow cabinet have savings in this way and avoid UK taxation on those savings). The list goes on. Politics needs an overhaul.
if your on the itchen seat there is a better choice, and that is in the TUSC Tim Cutter. they are what labour use to be a centre to left or left to centre not sure whitch, Trade Union & Socialist Coalition, any that gets elected to government will support the people charter, a vote on europe, and also will only do the mp job on a working man wage, plus they will not claim any expenses. and they support the with drawal of the troops out of afghanistan. that alone would save the country £37 billion a year, and stop the needless killing of our troops
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: OK, I have my gumshield in. Please can politicians leave the doctors and nurses alone. They should not be used for political purposes. Also, neither should patients be embarassed and humiliated by an entourage touring the wards. This is aimed at all three leaders - they are as bad as each other.[/p][/quote]I'm getting very worried as I agree with you. That's twice in one month. . In the 80's I carried a credit-card sized "Thatch-card", stating that if I was ever unfortunate enough to be hospitalised following a newsworthy disaster I most definitely did NOT wish to have Thatcher doing a bedside visit with the media in tow.[/p][/quote]The worst thing is that it is a children's ward. How cynical to exploit sick children in an effort to gain their parents' votes. Any chance of me voting Lib Dem has gone now.[/p][/quote]I agree that campaigning in hospitals and in particular is lousy to say the least..........but lets be honest......you were never going to vote Lib Dems anyway[/p][/quote]I wasnt, but I am now. I changed my mind from die hard labour supporter about 2 months back. Did a load of research on the Tories and Libs about 6 months back. Reading up on all sorts. Nearly swayed by the Tories but the whole fox hunting nonsense, NHS and bankers rubbish they came out with put me right off. . Voting Libdem now. Dont particularly care what detractors have to say, or the scaremongers out there. They just seem right now.[/p][/quote]You'll rue the day you made that decision. A vote for the Lib Dems is a vote for Brown, it's not a threat, we all know that Clegg will favour Labour as most of his party are ex Labour. The Lib Dems are a waste of time, look at Gidley in Romsey and her shame attack on the police.[/p][/quote]I rue the day I voted for Blair! . You say its a vote for Labour if I tick the Libdem box, but frankly we'll at worst have a hung parliament... maybe we'll end up with a proper coalition. All those who say coalition governentwould be bad seem to forget Churchill. . Lets look at this another way. Where I work its always been about union support and everyone I know has been Labour supporters. Pretty much everyone there is now talking Liberal, they've had enough of Labour - Labour stabbed the workers in the back. The messed up people's savings and investments. The refused to put a cap on bonuses for bankers when the taxpayer took over a few banks. The criticised workers for strike action (bin men, etc) because they refused to pushed around for less money and silly or dangerous working conditions. . People have had enough. The Tories are no better. They want to reduce national insurance contributions, they refuse to accept that the Banks need stricter control. They refuse to accept that offshore savings need stricter controls (several of the shadow cabinet have savings in this way and avoid UK taxation on those savings). The list goes on. Politics needs an overhaul.[/p][/quote]if your on the itchen seat there is a better choice, and that is in the TUSC Tim Cutter. they are what labour use to be a centre to left or left to centre not sure whitch, Trade Union & Socialist Coalition, any that gets elected to government will support the people charter, a vote on europe, and also will only do the mp job on a working man wage, plus they will not claim any expenses. and they support the with drawal of the troops out of afghanistan. that alone would save the country £37 billion a year, and stop the needless killing of our troops southy

9:55am Wed 28 Apr 10

southy says...

downfader wrote:
Condor Man wrote:
downfader wrote:
Lone Ranger wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Mr Ellis wrote: OK, I have my gumshield in. Please can politicians leave the doctors and nurses alone. They should not be used for political purposes. Also, neither should patients be embarassed and humiliated by an entourage touring the wards. This is aimed at all three leaders - they are as bad as each other.
I'm getting very worried as I agree with you. That's twice in one month. . In the 80's I carried a credit-card sized "Thatch-card", stating that if I was ever unfortunate enough to be hospitalised following a newsworthy disaster I most definitely did NOT wish to have Thatcher doing a bedside visit with the media in tow.
The worst thing is that it is a children's ward. How cynical to exploit sick children in an effort to gain their parents' votes. Any chance of me voting Lib Dem has gone now.
I agree that campaigning in hospitals and in particular is lousy to say the least..........but lets be honest......you were never going to vote Lib Dems anyway
I wasnt, but I am now. I changed my mind from die hard labour supporter about 2 months back. Did a load of research on the Tories and Libs about 6 months back. Reading up on all sorts. Nearly swayed by the Tories but the whole fox hunting nonsense, NHS and bankers rubbish they came out with put me right off. . Voting Libdem now. Dont particularly care what detractors have to say, or the scaremongers out there. They just seem right now.
You'll rue the day you made that decision. A vote for the Lib Dems is a vote for Brown, it's not a threat, we all know that Clegg will favour Labour as most of his party are ex Labour. The Lib Dems are a waste of time, look at Gidley in Romsey and her shame attack on the police.
I rue the day I voted for Blair!
.
You say its a vote for Labour if I tick the Libdem box, but frankly we'll at worst have a hung parliament... maybe we'll end up with a proper coalition. All those who say coalition governentwould be bad seem to forget Churchill.
.
Lets look at this another way. Where I work its always been about union support and everyone I know has been Labour supporters. Pretty much everyone there is now talking Liberal, they've had enough of Labour - Labour stabbed the workers in the back. The messed up people's savings and investments. The refused to put a cap on bonuses for bankers when the taxpayer took over a few banks. The criticised workers for strike action (bin men, etc) because they refused to pushed around for less money and silly or dangerous working conditions.
.
People have had enough. The Tories are no better. They want to reduce national insurance contributions, they refuse to accept that the Banks need stricter control. They refuse to accept that offshore savings need stricter controls (several of the shadow cabinet have savings in this way and avoid UK taxation on those savings). The list goes on. Politics needs an overhaul.
if your on the itchen seat there is a better choice, and that is in the TUSC Tim Cutter. they are what labour use to be a centre to left or left to centre not sure whitch, Trade Union & Socialist Coalition, any that gets elected to government will support the people charter, a vote on europe, and also will only do the mp job on a working man wage, plus they will not claim any expenses. and they support the with drawal of the troops out of afghanistan. that alone would save the country £37 billion a year, and stop the needless killing of our troops. this last part in the last few weeks seems have caught on in the usa too now.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Ellis[/bold] wrote: OK, I have my gumshield in. Please can politicians leave the doctors and nurses alone. They should not be used for political purposes. Also, neither should patients be embarassed and humiliated by an entourage touring the wards. This is aimed at all three leaders - they are as bad as each other.[/p][/quote]I'm getting very worried as I agree with you. That's twice in one month. . In the 80's I carried a credit-card sized "Thatch-card", stating that if I was ever unfortunate enough to be hospitalised following a newsworthy disaster I most definitely did NOT wish to have Thatcher doing a bedside visit with the media in tow.[/p][/quote]The worst thing is that it is a children's ward. How cynical to exploit sick children in an effort to gain their parents' votes. Any chance of me voting Lib Dem has gone now.[/p][/quote]I agree that campaigning in hospitals and in particular is lousy to say the least..........but lets be honest......you were never going to vote Lib Dems anyway[/p][/quote]I wasnt, but I am now. I changed my mind from die hard labour supporter about 2 months back. Did a load of research on the Tories and Libs about 6 months back. Reading up on all sorts. Nearly swayed by the Tories but the whole fox hunting nonsense, NHS and bankers rubbish they came out with put me right off. . Voting Libdem now. Dont particularly care what detractors have to say, or the scaremongers out there. They just seem right now.[/p][/quote]You'll rue the day you made that decision. A vote for the Lib Dems is a vote for Brown, it's not a threat, we all know that Clegg will favour Labour as most of his party are ex Labour. The Lib Dems are a waste of time, look at Gidley in Romsey and her shame attack on the police.[/p][/quote]I rue the day I voted for Blair! . You say its a vote for Labour if I tick the Libdem box, but frankly we'll at worst have a hung parliament... maybe we'll end up with a proper coalition. All those who say coalition governentwould be bad seem to forget Churchill. . Lets look at this another way. Where I work its always been about union support and everyone I know has been Labour supporters. Pretty much everyone there is now talking Liberal, they've had enough of Labour - Labour stabbed the workers in the back. The messed up people's savings and investments. The refused to put a cap on bonuses for bankers when the taxpayer took over a few banks. The criticised workers for strike action (bin men, etc) because they refused to pushed around for less money and silly or dangerous working conditions. . People have had enough. The Tories are no better. They want to reduce national insurance contributions, they refuse to accept that the Banks need stricter control. They refuse to accept that offshore savings need stricter controls (several of the shadow cabinet have savings in this way and avoid UK taxation on those savings). The list goes on. Politics needs an overhaul.[/p][/quote]if your on the itchen seat there is a better choice, and that is in the TUSC Tim Cutter. they are what labour use to be a centre to left or left to centre not sure whitch, Trade Union & Socialist Coalition, any that gets elected to government will support the people charter, a vote on europe, and also will only do the mp job on a working man wage, plus they will not claim any expenses. and they support the with drawal of the troops out of afghanistan. that alone would save the country £37 billion a year, and stop the needless killing of our troops. this last part in the last few weeks seems have caught on in the usa too now. southy

10:27am Wed 28 Apr 10

Stupideditor says...

Everyone goes on about nurses, doctors and managers of the NHS. How about Frontline staff in yellow buses. Compared to other emergency services their pay is one of the lowest for amount of work they do. Crews can go a whole 10 hours without a mealbreak and under turnaround policy only have 30mins to offload a patient and make vehicle ready for another call. Not enough time to even have a drink.

Our ambulance crews are being abused by management, government and general public yet they get no recognision and are always slated by the media, especially the echo, when things do go along with government set policy.
Everyone goes on about nurses, doctors and managers of the NHS. How about Frontline staff in yellow buses. Compared to other emergency services their pay is one of the lowest for amount of work they do. Crews can go a whole 10 hours without a mealbreak and under turnaround policy only have 30mins to offload a patient and make vehicle ready for another call. Not enough time to even have a drink. Our ambulance crews are being abused by management, government and general public yet they get no recognision and are always slated by the media, especially the echo, when things do go along with government set policy. Stupideditor

10:27am Wed 28 Apr 10

Stupideditor says...

Everyone goes on about nurses, doctors and managers of the NHS. How about Frontline staff in yellow buses. Compared to other emergency services their pay is one of the lowest for amount of work they do. Crews can go a whole 10 hours without a mealbreak and under turnaround policy only have 30mins to offload a patient and make vehicle ready for another call. Not enough time to even have a drink.

Our ambulance crews are being abused by management, government and general public yet they get no recognision and are always slated by the media, especially the echo, when things don't go along with government set policy.
Everyone goes on about nurses, doctors and managers of the NHS. How about Frontline staff in yellow buses. Compared to other emergency services their pay is one of the lowest for amount of work they do. Crews can go a whole 10 hours without a mealbreak and under turnaround policy only have 30mins to offload a patient and make vehicle ready for another call. Not enough time to even have a drink. Our ambulance crews are being abused by management, government and general public yet they get no recognision and are always slated by the media, especially the echo, when things don't go along with government set policy. Stupideditor

11:22am Wed 28 Apr 10

southy says...

Stupideditor wrote:
Everyone goes on about nurses, doctors and managers of the NHS. How about Frontline staff in yellow buses. Compared to other emergency services their pay is one of the lowest for amount of work they do. Crews can go a whole 10 hours without a mealbreak and under turnaround policy only have 30mins to offload a patient and make vehicle ready for another call. Not enough time to even have a drink.

Our ambulance crews are being abused by management, government and general public yet they get no recognision and are always slated by the media, especially the echo, when things don't go along with government set policy.
if the bus drivers are doing a 10 hour shift with out the breaks required by law, then they should refuse to drive. they would be legally right to stop driving.
but personal i dont belive that they dont get the right breaks and you might be mixing it up with a 10 hour working day whitch includes fully paid breaks has required by law.
remember that techograph not only tells the speed, it also tells if the engine is running and also if the keys are in the ignition.
and thats the first thing the transport people look at and if they dont see the breaks on that card, the driver will be taken to court over the matter, and more than likely lose his licences
[quote][p][bold]Stupideditor[/bold] wrote: Everyone goes on about nurses, doctors and managers of the NHS. How about Frontline staff in yellow buses. Compared to other emergency services their pay is one of the lowest for amount of work they do. Crews can go a whole 10 hours without a mealbreak and under turnaround policy only have 30mins to offload a patient and make vehicle ready for another call. Not enough time to even have a drink. Our ambulance crews are being abused by management, government and general public yet they get no recognision and are always slated by the media, especially the echo, when things don't go along with government set policy.[/p][/quote]if the bus drivers are doing a 10 hour shift with out the breaks required by law, then they should refuse to drive. they would be legally right to stop driving. but personal i dont belive that they dont get the right breaks and you might be mixing it up with a 10 hour working day whitch includes fully paid breaks has required by law. remember that techograph not only tells the speed, it also tells if the engine is running and also if the keys are in the ignition. and thats the first thing the transport people look at and if they dont see the breaks on that card, the driver will be taken to court over the matter, and more than likely lose his licences southy

1:18pm Wed 28 Apr 10

Adrian Smith says...

Regarding the comment about Sandra and the Police. I voted by post today and it wasn't for the LibDim candidate in Romsey.

The reason is the refusal by the candidate to apologise for her conduct after the shooting.

If anyone is still wondering what is happening I received an email from the IPCC last week which stated:-

"The investigation has been completed and our findings have been sent to HM Coroner. No inquest date has yet been set, but at the earliest it will be towards the end of the year"

But last October they wrote this to me:-

"The IPCC did look into the incident you are referring to. However, we are unable to release any details until the inquest has taken place, as yet we do not have a date for when the inquest will be held"

Why is this investigation taking so long? Those not shot dead and arrested have been dealt with.
Regarding the comment about Sandra and the Police. I voted by post today and it wasn't for the LibDim candidate in Romsey. The reason is the refusal by the candidate to apologise for her conduct after the shooting. If anyone is still wondering what is happening I received an email from the IPCC last week which stated:- "The investigation has been completed and our findings have been sent to HM Coroner. No inquest date has yet been set, but at the earliest it will be towards the end of the year" But last October they wrote this to me:- "The IPCC did look into the incident you are referring to. However, we are unable to release any details until the inquest has taken place, as yet we do not have a date for when the inquest will be held" Why is this investigation taking so long? Those not shot dead and arrested have been dealt with. Adrian Smith

1:33pm Wed 28 Apr 10

Cynthia says...

southy wrote:
Stupideditor wrote:
Everyone goes on about nurses, doctors and managers of the NHS. How about Frontline staff in yellow buses. Compared to other emergency services their pay is one of the lowest for amount of work they do. Crews can go a whole 10 hours without a mealbreak and under turnaround policy only have 30mins to offload a patient and make vehicle ready for another call. Not enough time to even have a drink.

Our ambulance crews are being abused by management, government and general public yet they get no recognision and are always slated by the media, especially the echo, when things don't go along with government set policy.
if the bus drivers are doing a 10 hour shift with out the breaks required by law, then they should refuse to drive. they would be legally right to stop driving.
but personal i dont belive that they dont get the right breaks and you might be mixing it up with a 10 hour working day whitch includes fully paid breaks has required by law.
remember that techograph not only tells the speed, it also tells if the engine is running and also if the keys are in the ignition.
and thats the first thing the transport people look at and if they dont see the breaks on that card, the driver will be taken to court over the matter, and more than likely lose his licences
Southy just to clarify I think the person is talking about Ambulance drivers/paramedic crews not bus drivers.
And as much as you think you should work to rule, it's not really acceptable for Ambulance crew to do this. You can't predict an Emergency now can you?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stupideditor[/bold] wrote: Everyone goes on about nurses, doctors and managers of the NHS. How about Frontline staff in yellow buses. Compared to other emergency services their pay is one of the lowest for amount of work they do. Crews can go a whole 10 hours without a mealbreak and under turnaround policy only have 30mins to offload a patient and make vehicle ready for another call. Not enough time to even have a drink. Our ambulance crews are being abused by management, government and general public yet they get no recognision and are always slated by the media, especially the echo, when things don't go along with government set policy.[/p][/quote]if the bus drivers are doing a 10 hour shift with out the breaks required by law, then they should refuse to drive. they would be legally right to stop driving. but personal i dont belive that they dont get the right breaks and you might be mixing it up with a 10 hour working day whitch includes fully paid breaks has required by law. remember that techograph not only tells the speed, it also tells if the engine is running and also if the keys are in the ignition. and thats the first thing the transport people look at and if they dont see the breaks on that card, the driver will be taken to court over the matter, and more than likely lose his licences[/p][/quote]Southy just to clarify I think the person is talking about Ambulance drivers/paramedic crews not bus drivers. And as much as you think you should work to rule, it's not really acceptable for Ambulance crew to do this. You can't predict an Emergency now can you? Cynthia

2:00pm Wed 28 Apr 10

jimbobbo says...

Cynthia wrote:
southy wrote:
Stupideditor wrote:
Everyone goes on about nurses, doctors and managers of the NHS. How about Frontline staff in yellow buses. Compared to other emergency services their pay is one of the lowest for amount of work they do. Crews can go a whole 10 hours without a mealbreak and under turnaround policy only have 30mins to offload a patient and make vehicle ready for another call. Not enough time to even have a drink.

Our ambulance crews are being abused by management, government and general public yet they get no recognision and are always slated by the media, especially the echo, when things don't go along with government set policy.
if the bus drivers are doing a 10 hour shift with out the breaks required by law, then they should refuse to drive. they would be legally right to stop driving.
but personal i dont belive that they dont get the right breaks and you might be mixing it up with a 10 hour working day whitch includes fully paid breaks has required by law.
remember that techograph not only tells the speed, it also tells if the engine is running and also if the keys are in the ignition.
and thats the first thing the transport people look at and if they dont see the breaks on that card, the driver will be taken to court over the matter, and more than likely lose his licences
Southy just to clarify I think the person is talking about Ambulance drivers/paramedic crews not bus drivers.
And as much as you think you should work to rule, it's not really acceptable for Ambulance crew to do this. You can't predict an Emergency now can you?
**Slightly different subject but....**

perhaps Southy should get a job in order to realise that there is no realistic solution to most workplace issues except to put up with them. At the end of the day, if one employee won't work overtime/without a break/on the weekend/ then the employer will find a dozen people who will.

Those who moan get thrown. Fact.
[quote][p][bold]Cynthia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stupideditor[/bold] wrote: Everyone goes on about nurses, doctors and managers of the NHS. How about Frontline staff in yellow buses. Compared to other emergency services their pay is one of the lowest for amount of work they do. Crews can go a whole 10 hours without a mealbreak and under turnaround policy only have 30mins to offload a patient and make vehicle ready for another call. Not enough time to even have a drink. Our ambulance crews are being abused by management, government and general public yet they get no recognision and are always slated by the media, especially the echo, when things don't go along with government set policy.[/p][/quote]if the bus drivers are doing a 10 hour shift with out the breaks required by law, then they should refuse to drive. they would be legally right to stop driving. but personal i dont belive that they dont get the right breaks and you might be mixing it up with a 10 hour working day whitch includes fully paid breaks has required by law. remember that techograph not only tells the speed, it also tells if the engine is running and also if the keys are in the ignition. and thats the first thing the transport people look at and if they dont see the breaks on that card, the driver will be taken to court over the matter, and more than likely lose his licences[/p][/quote]Southy just to clarify I think the person is talking about Ambulance drivers/paramedic crews not bus drivers. And as much as you think you should work to rule, it's not really acceptable for Ambulance crew to do this. You can't predict an Emergency now can you?[/p][/quote]**Slightly different subject but....** perhaps Southy should get a job in order to realise that there is no realistic solution to most workplace issues except to put up with them. At the end of the day, if one employee won't work overtime/without a break/on the weekend/ then the employer will find a dozen people who will. Those who moan get thrown. Fact. jimbobbo

2:34pm Wed 28 Apr 10

southy says...

Cynthia wrote:
southy wrote:
Stupideditor wrote:
Everyone goes on about nurses, doctors and managers of the NHS. How about Frontline staff in yellow buses. Compared to other emergency services their pay is one of the lowest for amount of work they do. Crews can go a whole 10 hours without a mealbreak and under turnaround policy only have 30mins to offload a patient and make vehicle ready for another call. Not enough time to even have a drink.

Our ambulance crews are being abused by management, government and general public yet they get no recognision and are always slated by the media, especially the echo, when things don't go along with government set policy.
if the bus drivers are doing a 10 hour shift with out the breaks required by law, then they should refuse to drive. they would be legally right to stop driving.
but personal i dont belive that they dont get the right breaks and you might be mixing it up with a 10 hour working day whitch includes fully paid breaks has required by law.
remember that techograph not only tells the speed, it also tells if the engine is running and also if the keys are in the ignition.
and thats the first thing the transport people look at and if they dont see the breaks on that card, the driver will be taken to court over the matter, and more than likely lose his licences
Southy just to clarify I think the person is talking about Ambulance drivers/paramedic crews not bus drivers.
And as much as you think you should work to rule, it's not really acceptable for Ambulance crew to do this. You can't predict an Emergency now can you?
even ambulance drivers have to comform to the law reqirements there are no exceptions for any type of work road transport. but the get there rest when they dont get a call to attain a call out or when they are not getting the ambulance ready. how often do go pass ambulance that is station in a key spot along side a road. i cant remember what the law require ments are now days. but i have notice a paramedic estate car that parks up in green park car park a lot and i notic that he sits in the passenger seat whitch is counted away from the wheel and not working so this would be class has a break, and he would of filled in the time sheet to count this. in the same way a lorry driver would when he pulls into a lay-by. to have his required by law break.
[quote][p][bold]Cynthia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stupideditor[/bold] wrote: Everyone goes on about nurses, doctors and managers of the NHS. How about Frontline staff in yellow buses. Compared to other emergency services their pay is one of the lowest for amount of work they do. Crews can go a whole 10 hours without a mealbreak and under turnaround policy only have 30mins to offload a patient and make vehicle ready for another call. Not enough time to even have a drink. Our ambulance crews are being abused by management, government and general public yet they get no recognision and are always slated by the media, especially the echo, when things don't go along with government set policy.[/p][/quote]if the bus drivers are doing a 10 hour shift with out the breaks required by law, then they should refuse to drive. they would be legally right to stop driving. but personal i dont belive that they dont get the right breaks and you might be mixing it up with a 10 hour working day whitch includes fully paid breaks has required by law. remember that techograph not only tells the speed, it also tells if the engine is running and also if the keys are in the ignition. and thats the first thing the transport people look at and if they dont see the breaks on that card, the driver will be taken to court over the matter, and more than likely lose his licences[/p][/quote]Southy just to clarify I think the person is talking about Ambulance drivers/paramedic crews not bus drivers. And as much as you think you should work to rule, it's not really acceptable for Ambulance crew to do this. You can't predict an Emergency now can you?[/p][/quote]even ambulance drivers have to comform to the law reqirements there are no exceptions for any type of work road transport. but the get there rest when they dont get a call to attain a call out or when they are not getting the ambulance ready. how often do go pass ambulance that is station in a key spot along side a road. i cant remember what the law require ments are now days. but i have notice a paramedic estate car that parks up in green park car park a lot and i notic that he sits in the passenger seat whitch is counted away from the wheel and not working so this would be class has a break, and he would of filled in the time sheet to count this. in the same way a lorry driver would when he pulls into a lay-by. to have his required by law break. southy

4:04pm Wed 28 Apr 10

Cynthia says...

I would like to just say, I didn't mean it's not acceptable for Ambulance Crews / Paramedics to take breaks. Of course it is.
I meant, it's not often practical for them to do so, due to the nature of their work.
I would like to just say, I didn't mean it's not acceptable for Ambulance Crews / Paramedics to take breaks. Of course it is. I meant, it's not often practical for them to do so, due to the nature of their work. Cynthia

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