Brown washes hands of calls for fluoride vote (From Daily Echo)

So to put it in plain English, when asked about floride being added to our water he said I dont give a s**t about you or your water.

Once out of touch with the electorate then it is time for them to go. Although this is just one small issue it does seem to indicate that this particular regime have been in too long, rather like the tail end of the Thatcher era.

v_dubman2005 wrote:
So to put it in plain English, when asked about floride being added to our water he said I dont give a s**t about you or your water.

no what he said its a local issue, meaning its down to our tory council to give us a vote on weather or not to put fluoride in our water, and the tory council of the new forest and the tory council of romsey and any other council it might concern,
he right on this issue, its not a national issue for the area, but a local issue, and is all down to them, if he had turned round and said there will be a vote on fluoride then he would be dictating to a local council what it can and can not do.
so my suggestion would be have a word with all 3 of your ward councilors, it these councilors that dont get a **** about your water.

southy wrote:

v_dubman2005 wrote:
So to put it in plain English, when asked about floride being added to our water he said I dont give a s**t about you or your water.

no what he said its a local issue, meaning its down to our tory council to give us a vote on weather or not to put fluoride in our water, and the tory council of the new forest and the tory council of romsey and any other council it might concern,
he right on this issue, its not a national issue for the area, but a local issue, and is all down to them, if he had turned round and said there will be a vote on fluoride then he would be dictating to a local council what it can and can not do.
so my suggestion would be have a word with all 3 of your ward councilors, it these councilors that dont get a **** about your water.

And who makes the rulls that the local councils must adhere to............Oh yes central government.

Yes, Central Government, I am sure, controls most aspect of our lives that is why no one admits to being puppets on a string otherwise their job would be in jeopardy and who cares whether these poisons are put in our water, if their job is at stake they will turn cartwheels to obey. After all it will be us who will pay in the end - nothing comes out of their pocket - got to laugh.

goard

Gordon Brown stands on the left hand side of the stage for the televised debates whilst the other 2 change places, because he is blind in his left eye and couldn't see Nick or David if he stood somewhere else.

Southy's on the payroll for labour...pretty much every election story on here has been totally one sided views...I know who I am going to vote for now yes but I also take some aspects from all other parties as well...lets face it...no one party can be 100% right 100% of the time! So don't make it out that Brown and Labour are always right...and have been doing all the right things since they got in power 13 years ago!

Once you can admit to that and be objectionable about all the other party's views you can make an informed judgement on who deserves the vote...but i doubt you can.

Anyway back to the flouride thing, if it is a local issue, then why were Southampton residents views ignored? When asked whether they wanted flouride added to the water, the vast majority said no, and were overidden by 'health chiefs' who probably don't even live in the city.

v_dubman2005 wrote:

southy wrote:

v_dubman2005 wrote:
So to put it in plain English, when asked about floride being added to our water he said I dont give a s**t about you or your water.

no what he said its a local issue, meaning its down to our tory council to give us a vote on weather or not to put fluoride in our water, and the tory council of the new forest and the tory council of romsey and any other council it might concern,
he right on this issue, its not a national issue for the area, but a local issue, and is all down to them, if he had turned round and said there will be a vote on fluoride then he would be dictating to a local council what it can and can not do.
so my suggestion would be have a word with all 3 of your ward councilors, it these councilors that dont get a **** about your water.

And who makes the rulls that the local councils must adhere to............Oh yes central government.

and its up to the local government to apply to them, has there is no rules on this subject or matter of fluoride in the water from national government, because its only a local issue and not a national issue, then its down to the local government to do the right thing, whitch in over case our tory council and its down to the tory council to give us the vote on weather to have or not have fluoride in the water.

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
Southy's on the payroll for labour...pretty much every election story on here has been totally one sided views...I know who I am going to vote for now yes but I also take some aspects from all other parties as well...lets face it...no one party can be 100% right 100% of the time! So don't make it out that Brown and Labour are always right...and have been doing all the right things since they got in power 13 years ago!

Once you can admit to that and be objectionable about all the other party's views you can make an informed judgement on who deserves the vote...but i doubt you can.

wrong yet again i will not support any right wing party and that includes labour who are just another right wing party, i am just like the 40% in this country that do not vote because there is no one to vote for ( no left wing partys ) i dig into labour just has much, ask alan whitehead i cornered him at a meeting in town not to long ago. i give them the person touch in front of real live people. best way to do things just a shame the echo did not turn up at the meeting like they did at the nova hotel last year on the same subject.

Brite Spark wrote:
Gordon Brown stands on the left hand side of the stage for the televised debates whilst the other 2 change places, because he is blind in his left eye and couldn't see Nick or David if he stood somewhere else.

I think he is totally blind, and deaf, if he cant see or hear the failings of himself and the labour party.

2014 ,The New World Order , just another puppett like the rest of them,their is no democracy , even the thickest of voters will soon realise this.

damien thorn wrote:
2014 ,The New World Order , just another puppett like the rest of them,their is no democracy , even the thickest of voters will soon realise this.

if your capitalist aka right wing lot get there way then i would have no doubt in what your saying but 2014 is way to early for that to happen, plus this new world order is not going to happen. countrys are turning to socialism, one went that way last week, thailand is sitting on the brink to go the same way, burma is all so. socialism is what the majority of the people in the world want, they dont want communism they dont want any form of capitalism, the need is there to start sharing and not to be gab by the few.

v_dubman2005 wrote:
So to put it in plain English, when asked about floride being added to our water he said I dont give a s**t about you or your water.

Exactly the same as Smith and Moulton. They sat on the fence instead of voting one way or the other..............

Lee Peck used to present 'Game For A Laugh' with Jeremy Beadle. Brown PM career wouldn't look out of place on such a programme.

Southy said..socialism is what the majority of the people in the world want, they dont want communism they dont want any form of capitalism,

I am so glad to living in Hampshire where only a small handful want socialism.

I have noted though Southy that you keep referring to the, so-called, Third World countries that want socialism and western world countries that were doing OK until they voted in a Socialist government that are now heading towards "third world" status.

Just because it's what you feel is right, doesn't mean that it is what the rest of the world want, as you keep stating !

Condor Man wrote:
Lee Peck used to present 'Game For A Laugh' with Jeremy Beadle. Brown PM career wouldn't look out of place on such a programme.

Strange,.... because Harry Enfield did a comedy sketch about Tory boy and its just reminded me of Cameron, Johnson and Osborne all rolled into one........strange how these things come to you isnt.

the difference being that Harry portrayed characters, not real people. Brown's record is a laugh.

Gordon, when he leaves office next month should sign up doing adverts for Cash 4 Gold, as he sold 400 tonnes of it he didn't want at a rock bottom price. Now that is what he called, the real deal!

Thank you Mr Brown for steering us towards near bankrupcy as a post Lisbon Treaty nation-state. I'm sure you will get by on your stonking great Parliamentary pension.

southy wrote:

damien thorn wrote:
2014 ,The New World Order , just another puppett like the rest of them,their is no democracy , even the thickest of voters will soon realise this.

if your capitalist aka right wing lot get there way then i would have no doubt in what your saying but 2014 is way to early for that to happen, plus this new world order is not going to happen. countrys are turning to socialism, one went that way last week, thailand is sitting on the brink to go the same way, burma is all so. socialism is what the majority of the people in the world want, they dont want communism they dont want any form of capitalism, the need is there to start sharing and not to be gab by the few.

southy ,you just don,t get it ,left wing ,right wing ,makes people believe they have a say ,we have no say at all ,it,s all a sham ,behind the curtain is the new world order ,the masters and the slaves to pay their debts for them.

damien thorn wrote:

southy wrote:

damien thorn wrote: 2014 ,The New World Order , just another puppett like the rest of them,their is no democracy , even the thickest of voters will soon realise this.

if your capitalist aka right wing lot get there way then i would have no doubt in what your saying but 2014 is way to early for that to happen, plus this new world order is not going to happen. countrys are turning to socialism, one went that way last week, thailand is sitting on the brink to go the same way, burma is all so. socialism is what the majority of the people in the world want, they dont want communism they dont want any form of capitalism, the need is there to start sharing and not to be gab by the few.

southy ,you just don,t get it ,left wing ,right wing ,makes people believe they have a say ,we have no say at all ,it,s all a sham ,behind the curtain is the new world order ,the masters and the slaves to pay their debts for them.

Dead right. Politcal parties theoretically don't run the show. It is the elites behind them that do......banking elites, Bilderbergers, Tro-Lateral Commission, House of Rothschild, Common Purpose....the list goes on and on. Brown and Cameron are already members of the Bilderburg group, who tell them what they need to do.

Southy is very selective in his thoughts. The new world order will be socialist and it's objective is control from above. He's seen nothing yet if he thinks things are bad now.

Condor Man wrote:
the difference being that Harry portrayed characters, not real people. Brown's record is a laugh.

So you telling me that Cameron, Johnson and Osborne are REAL....surely not...they are more like cartoon characters.. Desperate Dave, Boris the Bufoon, and Dopey George without Bungle.
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It is incredible that people still get carried along by the Tory party. They follow the leader like some messiah who going to take them to the promised land.
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Take it from me the land of milk and honey does not exist its just a figment of someone's imagination. Its the same world but just Airbrushed....and the Tories are well at home with that.
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They dont want you just your vote

Ah yes, and Rab C Nesbitt reminds me of the thoughtful considered views of the socialist labour party.
Isn't it lucky you have celebrity comedians to tell you what to think. I prefer to make my own mind up on the evidence presented.

It doesn't really matter who gets into power, it is still the same bunch of Civil Servants doing the donkey work!

So Southy says that everyone wants Socialism, but admits that no one has bothered to set up a party that reflects that, apart from those parties that don't get much (any) support.

And Damien Thorn, while I agree that the parties are too much the same and that democracy is being eroded, your comments are only slightly behind David Icke's in terms of paranoia.

Oh, and I'm not that bothered about flouride in my water. It's in my toothpaste already, so what's the problem?

Cyber-Fug wrote:
Southy said..socialism is what the majority of the people in the world want, they dont want communism they dont want any form of capitalism,

I am so glad to living in Hampshire where only a small handful want socialism.

I have noted though Southy that you keep referring to the, so-called, Third World countries that want socialism and western world countries that were doing OK until they voted in a Socialist government that are now heading towards "third world" status.

Just because it's what you feel is right, doesn't mean that it is what the rest of the world want, as you keep stating !

are you not forgetting that those third world countrys have the oil, that capitalist world needs and wants and to control it. after all you cant have it paying for people health care or there education, this will not do well not is any right wings ideals.
how many of your western world have voted in a socialist government that are not third world, none to date thats because socialism only gets false propaganda by the media and people like you. but with the internet people are talking to others all round the world and finding out the truth and starting to sort out is and what is not false propaganda. also put this in your mix of ideas how many governments are prop up and back up in the third world to keep them in power, so your rich western world can rape it of it wealth answer is most. do mark thatcher ring a bell to you, remove a government and put in place one that will do has its told. and when a country kicks out this prop up and back up government then you see all this false propaganda its even more and worse propaganda if a elected socialist government in place, one of the first things that happen is a trade embargo.
uk was at its best when we had that mix of centre and centre-left that was the old labour party even ted heath agreed that those sorts of politics was for the near future world, and is why back then the tory party was centre right and not like it is to day where all partys are right wing.

Iain wrote:
So Southy says that everyone wants Socialism, but admits that no one has bothered to set up a party that reflects that, apart from those parties that don't get much (any) support.

And Damien Thorn, while I agree that the parties are too much the same and that democracy is being eroded, your comments are only slightly behind David Icke's in terms of paranoia.

Oh, and I'm not that bothered about flouride in my water. It's in my toothpaste already, so what's the problem?

iain there is a new party being set up if your in the itchen you will have the chance to vote for him, the new party is TUSC tim cutter is standing there under that banner. the name is only a temp name at the moment.
the biggest problem at the moment is that media of all kinds will say or give out very little about the new party. reason for this is that it is a centre left wing party. your in a capitalist control world its not in there interest to let people know there is a party that will suit the majority of people

My Manifesto would definitely include free institutional care for Bartonian....

Walter Kurtz wrote:
My Manifesto would definitely include free institutional care for Bartonian....

Is that all you've got upstairs in your views Walter Cuntz? If you've got no arguments, why do you bother in making insults?

Condor Man wrote:
Lee Peck used to present 'Game For A Laugh' with Jeremy Beadle. Brown PM career wouldn't look out of place on such a programme.

Lee Peck? I thought it was Henry Kelly and Sarah kennedy that co-presented this show.

Bartonian wrote:

Condor Man wrote:
Lee Peck used to present 'Game For A Laugh' with Jeremy Beadle. Brown PM career wouldn't look out of place on such a programme.

Lee Peck? I thought it was Henry Kelly and Sarah kennedy that co-presented this show.

mathew kelly

I have many views on many subjects Bartonian, all of which I would deem informed and considered. My education on the world at large doesn't begin at youtube and finish at wikipedia in order to fuel my fantasist ravings on conspiracy. Any of those purple shellsuits left Dumbo.........?

Walter Kurtz wrote:
I have many views on many subjects Bartonian, all of which I would deem informed and considered. My education on the world at large doesn't begin at youtube and finish at wikipedia in order to fuel my fantasist ravings on conspiracy. Any of those purple shellsuits left Dumbo.........?

Well, why don't you come out with some of your findings in your well informed and considered views Wally? People like you always say the kind of things that you come out with but never say what they are. I've been to lectures and have many videos beyond the realms of what you have stated in my own research. If you don't respect and disagree my views, then I'm certainly, not going to respect yours. Go to the lost world that is called Southy. Wally.

Bartonian wrote:

Walter Kurtz wrote:
I have many views on many subjects Bartonian, all of which I would deem informed and considered. My education on the world at large doesn't begin at youtube and finish at wikipedia in order to fuel my fantasist ravings on conspiracy. Any of those purple shellsuits left Dumbo.........?

Well, why don't you come out with some of your findings in your well informed and considered views Wally? People like you always say the kind of things that you come out with but never say what they are. I've been to lectures and have many videos beyond the realms of what you have stated in my own research. If you don't respect and disagree my views, then I'm certainly, not going to respect yours. Go to the lost world that is called Southy. Wally.

bartonian the great believer in the chuck missler conman. when are you going to learn people like him are only interest in one thing your money oh make that 2 things the other is control over you. but that go's for any religion. sooner man grows out of all that fairy tail stuff the better. one less excuse for the right wing to have wars over.
still if that what you want to believe in thats fine with me, just dont expect those who do not belive in fairy tails to fight your wars that you started for you.

Individuals with your mindset are unable to encourage others to challenge their perception of the bigger picture, you only serve to line the pockets and increase the profiles of the Ickesque figures that seem capable of mentally drawing in you and others who are obviously susceptible to fantasy - usually the type who spent too long in their bedroom as a child reading science fiction.

southy wrote:

Iain wrote:
So Southy says that everyone wants Socialism, but admits that no one has bothered to set up a party that reflects that, apart from those parties that don't get much (any) support.

And Damien Thorn, while I agree that the parties are too much the same and that democracy is being eroded, your comments are only slightly behind David Icke's in terms of paranoia.

Oh, and I'm not that bothered about flouride in my water. It's in my toothpaste already, so what's the problem?

iain there is a new party being set up if your in the itchen you will have the chance to vote for him, the new party is TUSC tim cutter is standing there under that banner. the name is only a temp name at the moment.
the biggest problem at the moment is that media of all kinds will say or give out very little about the new party. reason for this is that it is a centre left wing party. your in a capitalist control world its not in there interest to let people know there is a party that will suit the majority of people

You know what? I think southy actually believes the what he says. Goes to show the power of propaganda I guess.

Let's face it. We are all too happy to go along with what our parents told us. Let's be brave, lets try to create the world we really want to live in. I know it sounds impossible but if we don't try we will never know. Now who wants a world of war and strife and who wants a world of hope and possibilities?
Even southy deserves the right to his opinion. Not sure he would get it in China though.

Walter Kurtz wrote:
Individuals with your mindset are unable to encourage others to challenge their perception of the bigger picture, you only serve to line the pockets and increase the profiles of the Ickesque figures that seem capable of mentally drawing in you and others who are obviously susceptible to fantasy - usually the type who spent too long in their bedroom as a child reading science fiction.

Can't stand science fiction and don't have any time for David Icke, especially on his views that half the population are lizards. Go and look through your rose-tinted spectacles. Wally.

southy wrote:

Bartonian wrote:

Walter Kurtz wrote: I have many views on many subjects Bartonian, all of which I would deem informed and considered. My education on the world at large doesn't begin at youtube and finish at wikipedia in order to fuel my fantasist ravings on conspiracy. Any of those purple shellsuits left Dumbo.........?

Well, why don't you come out with some of your findings in your well informed and considered views Wally? People like you always say the kind of things that you come out with but never say what they are. I've been to lectures and have many videos beyond the realms of what you have stated in my own research. If you don't respect and disagree my views, then I'm certainly, not going to respect yours. Go to the lost world that is called Southy. Wally.

bartonian the great believer in the chuck missler conman. when are you going to learn people like him are only interest in one thing your money oh make that 2 things the other is control over you. but that go's for any religion. sooner man grows out of all that fairy tail stuff the better. one less excuse for the right wing to have wars over. still if that what you want to believe in thats fine with me, just dont expect those who do not belive in fairy tails to fight your wars that you started for you.

"Tales" Southy, not "tails." You've said that you've only heard about Chuck Missler, but have you ever read any of his books? Sorry, you can't read so-called stuff that's right wing to you. You are a semi-retarded conman and as stupid as Wally. Why don't you do something useful for a change and go and jump in the neareat lake? It'll give the rest of us a breather from your socialist **** that you shove down our throats everyday.

Bartonian wrote:

southy wrote:

Bartonian wrote:

Walter Kurtz wrote: I have many views on many subjects Bartonian, all of which I would deem informed and considered. My education on the world at large doesn't begin at youtube and finish at wikipedia in order to fuel my fantasist ravings on conspiracy. Any of those purple shellsuits left Dumbo.........?

Well, why don't you come out with some of your findings in your well informed and considered views Wally? People like you always say the kind of things that you come out with but never say what they are. I've been to lectures and have many videos beyond the realms of what you have stated in my own research. If you don't respect and disagree my views, then I'm certainly, not going to respect yours. Go to the lost world that is called Southy. Wally.

bartonian the great believer in the chuck missler conman. when are you going to learn people like him are only interest in one thing your money oh make that 2 things the other is control over you. but that go's for any religion. sooner man grows out of all that fairy tail stuff the better. one less excuse for the right wing to have wars over. still if that what you want to believe in thats fine with me, just dont expect those who do not belive in fairy tails to fight your wars that you started for you.

"Tales" Southy, not "tails." You've said that you've only heard about Chuck Missler, but have you ever read any of his books? Sorry, you can't read so-called stuff that's right wing to you. You are a semi-retarded conman and as stupid as Wally. Why don't you do something useful for a change and go and jump in the neareat lake? It'll give the rest of us a breather from your socialist **** that you shove down our throats everyday.

i did read some of his stuff and the first thought was what a load biblical clap trap, i can under stand why he banned from cananda if he used this to con people out of money.
thats all he is a biblical con man praying on the weak, come on this sort of stuff that he spouts out belongs the dark ages.

southy wrote:

Bartonian wrote:

southy wrote:

Bartonian wrote:

Walter Kurtz wrote: I have many views on many subjects Bartonian, all of which I would deem informed and considered. My education on the world at large doesn't begin at youtube and finish at wikipedia in order to fuel my fantasist ravings on conspiracy. Any of those purple shellsuits left Dumbo.........?

Well, why don't you come out with some of your findings in your well informed and considered views Wally? People like you always say the kind of things that you come out with but never say what they are. I've been to lectures and have many videos beyond the realms of what you have stated in my own research. If you don't respect and disagree my views, then I'm certainly, not going to respect yours. Go to the lost world that is called Southy. Wally.

bartonian the great believer in the chuck missler conman. when are you going to learn people like him are only interest in one thing your money oh make that 2 things the other is control over you. but that go's for any religion. sooner man grows out of all that fairy tail stuff the better. one less excuse for the right wing to have wars over. still if that what you want to believe in thats fine with me, just dont expect those who do not belive in fairy tails to fight your wars that you started for you.

"Tales" Southy, not "tails." You've said that you've only heard about Chuck Missler, but have you ever read any of his books? Sorry, you can't read so-called stuff that's right wing to you. You are a semi-retarded conman and as stupid as Wally. Why don't you do something useful for a change and go and jump in the neareat lake? It'll give the rest of us a breather from your socialist **** that you shove down our throats everyday.

i did read some of his stuff and the first thought was what a load biblical clap trap, i can under stand why he banned from cananda if he used this to con people out of money.
thats all he is a biblical con man praying on the weak, come on this sort of stuff that he spouts out belongs the dark ages.

My dear southy. Be the change you want to see. This may entail an open mind and paying taxes but give it a go. You may like it.

Bartonian - at least Southy has the ability to form his own opinions however ineloquent they are put. You are the epitome of the easily influenced Branch Davidian type with limited brain power of their own - carry on throwing stones with regard to grammar though, as it probably makes you feel a tiny bit better about yourself....

v_dubman2005 wrote:

southy wrote:

Iain wrote:
So Southy says that everyone wants Socialism, but admits that no one has bothered to set up a party that reflects that, apart from those parties that don't get much (any) support.

And Damien Thorn, while I agree that the parties are too much the same and that democracy is being eroded, your comments are only slightly behind David Icke's in terms of paranoia.

Oh, and I'm not that bothered about flouride in my water. It's in my toothpaste already, so what's the problem?

iain there is a new party being set up if your in the itchen you will have the chance to vote for him, the new party is TUSC tim cutter is standing there under that banner. the name is only a temp name at the moment.
the biggest problem at the moment is that media of all kinds will say or give out very little about the new party. reason for this is that it is a centre left wing party. your in a capitalist control world its not in there interest to let people know there is a party that will suit the majority of people

You know what? I think southy actually believes the what he says. Goes to show the power of propaganda I guess.

Let's face it. We are all too happy to go along with what our parents told us. Let's be brave, lets try to create the world we really want to live in. I know it sounds impossible but if we don't try we will never know. Now who wants a world of war and strife and who wants a world of hope and possibilities?
Even southy deserves the right to his opinion. Not sure he would get it in China though.

for you to under stand thing lets make it easy for you, how often do the echo do articles on what the socialist party has done and achived to help people. like who putting up the biggest fight on the nhs wards in the area, to stop that right wing called the nhs trust from closing them down, ah right the socialist, the socialist do a lot of work helping people out. but it comes it being printed in the papers or get talk about on the news its get block of any mention of the name socialist;
why that because all media is controlled by capitalist aka right wing. then look at who supplys most of the news now day for the media merdock company sky.
war and strife is a thing for the right wing aka capitialist they been behind every single war in history apart from one or two, the world of hope and possibilties you need to look at the socialist for that.
funny lo about china the socialist have been driven under ground and have been under ground for at lest 50 years, now what do that suggest to you. yes just another right wing country, still find that out if it was or not at a later date.

Bartonian wrote:

Walter Kurtz wrote:
Individuals with your mindset are unable to encourage others to challenge their perception of the bigger picture, you only serve to line the pockets and increase the profiles of the Ickesque figures that seem capable of mentally drawing in you and others who are obviously susceptible to fantasy - usually the type who spent too long in their bedroom as a child reading science fiction.

Can't stand science fiction and don't have any time for David Icke, especially on his views that half the population are lizards. Go and look through your rose-tinted spectacles. Wally.

If you can't see that Icke's beliefs are as equally stupid as Chuck Missler's then you are just a fool to yourself.
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Grow up and start living in the real world instead of your science-denying fantasy god world.

freefinker wrote:

Bartonian wrote:

Walter Kurtz wrote: Individuals with your mindset are unable to encourage others to challenge their perception of the bigger picture, you only serve to line the pockets and increase the profiles of the Ickesque figures that seem capable of mentally drawing in you and others who are obviously susceptible to fantasy - usually the type who spent too long in their bedroom as a child reading science fiction.

Can't stand science fiction and don't have any time for David Icke, especially on his views that half the population are lizards. Go and look through your rose-tinted spectacles. Wally.

If you can't see that Icke's beliefs are as equally stupid as Chuck Missler's then you are just a fool to yourself. . Grow up and start living in the real world instead of your science-denying fantasy god world.

I do live in the real world. Politics is nothing more than a front for the masses. I'm not surprised to get such bad responses. If you look into what Chuck Missler says, he mentions science quite a lot. Thank you for your contribution, whoever you may be. May God bless you, and all you stand for.

Bartonian wrote:

freefinker wrote:

Bartonian wrote:

Walter Kurtz wrote: Individuals with your mindset are unable to encourage others to challenge their perception of the bigger picture, you only serve to line the pockets and increase the profiles of the Ickesque figures that seem capable of mentally drawing in you and others who are obviously susceptible to fantasy - usually the type who spent too long in their bedroom as a child reading science fiction.

Can't stand science fiction and don't have any time for David Icke, especially on his views that half the population are lizards. Go and look through your rose-tinted spectacles. Wally.

If you can't see that Icke's beliefs are as equally stupid as Chuck Missler's then you are just a fool to yourself. . Grow up and start living in the real world instead of your science-denying fantasy god world.

I do live in the real world. Politics is nothing more than a front for the masses. I'm not surprised to get such bad responses. If you look into what Chuck Missler says, he mentions science quite a lot. Thank you for your contribution, whoever you may be. May God bless you, and all you stand for.

Your body might exist in the real world, but your head certainly doesn't.
Chuck Missler is a deluded science denier who believes mythical beings are real.
As I said before, grow up. You got over father christmas and the tooth fairy not being real, you presumably don't believe in elves and goblins, but by some weird perversity you apparently believe in angels, holy spirits, walking on water, rising from the dead and god. That, quite frankly, is science-denying nonsense.

freefinker wrote:

Bartonian wrote:

freefinker wrote:

Bartonian wrote:

Walter Kurtz wrote: Individuals with your mindset are unable to encourage others to challenge their perception of the bigger picture, you only serve to line the pockets and increase the profiles of the Ickesque figures that seem capable of mentally drawing in you and others who are obviously susceptible to fantasy - usually the type who spent too long in their bedroom as a child reading science fiction.

Can't stand science fiction and don't have any time for David Icke, especially on his views that half the population are lizards. Go and look through your rose-tinted spectacles. Wally.

If you can't see that Icke's beliefs are as equally stupid as Chuck Missler's then you are just a fool to yourself. . Grow up and start living in the real world instead of your science-denying fantasy god world.

I do live in the real world. Politics is nothing more than a front for the masses. I'm not surprised to get such bad responses. If you look into what Chuck Missler says, he mentions science quite a lot. Thank you for your contribution, whoever you may be. May God bless you, and all you stand for.

Your body might exist in the real world, but your head certainly doesn't. Chuck Missler is a deluded science denier who believes mythical beings are real. As I said before, grow up. You got over father christmas and the tooth fairy not being real, you presumably don't believe in elves and goblins, but by some weird perversity you apparently believe in angels, holy spirits, walking on water, rising from the dead and god. That, quite frankly, is science-denying nonsense.

So his views on bio-tech is science-denying nonsense. If you are trying to play the evolution card, then I can tell you that there is no concise evidence on the subject. In this PC world, people who believe in a creationist point of view are immeidately dismissed as crackpots. The bible has stood the test of time and if it wasn't true, then it would have been discarded centuries ago. Father Christmas and goblins, as you mentioned are both pagan and new age, in as much as believing in astrology. Who needs growing up now then?

Bartonian wrote:

freefinker wrote:

Bartonian wrote:

freefinker wrote:

Bartonian wrote:

Walter Kurtz wrote: Individuals with your mindset are unable to encourage others to challenge their perception of the bigger picture, you only serve to line the pockets and increase the profiles of the Ickesque figures that seem capable of mentally drawing in you and others who are obviously susceptible to fantasy - usually the type who spent too long in their bedroom as a child reading science fiction.

Can't stand science fiction and don't have any time for David Icke, especially on his views that half the population are lizards. Go and look through your rose-tinted spectacles. Wally.

If you can't see that Icke's beliefs are as equally stupid as Chuck Missler's then you are just a fool to yourself. . Grow up and start living in the real world instead of your science-denying fantasy god world.

I do live in the real world. Politics is nothing more than a front for the masses. I'm not surprised to get such bad responses. If you look into what Chuck Missler says, he mentions science quite a lot. Thank you for your contribution, whoever you may be. May God bless you, and all you stand for.

Your body might exist in the real world, but your head certainly doesn't. Chuck Missler is a deluded science denier who believes mythical beings are real. As I said before, grow up. You got over father christmas and the tooth fairy not being real, you presumably don't believe in elves and goblins, but by some weird perversity you apparently believe in angels, holy spirits, walking on water, rising from the dead and god. That, quite frankly, is science-denying nonsense.

So his views on bio-tech is science-denying nonsense. If you are trying to play the evolution card, then I can tell you that there is no concise evidence on the subject. In this PC world, people who believe in a creationist point of view are immeidately dismissed as crackpots. The bible has stood the test of time and if it wasn't true, then it would have been discarded centuries ago. Father Christmas and goblins, as you mentioned are both pagan and new age, in as much as believing in astrology. Who needs growing up now then?

P.S For your information, Chuck Missler was head of the RAND think tank, has extensive experience in engineering and controlled the U.S military budget. He, out of all people should know the world as it is, not to mention having over forty years of lecturing the bible. One has to be very clever to do the things he says, and he would put the likes of you and I to shame

Bartonian wrote:

Bartonian wrote:

freefinker wrote:

Bartonian wrote:

freefinker wrote:

Bartonian wrote:

Walter Kurtz wrote: Individuals with your mindset are unable to encourage others to challenge their perception of the bigger picture, you only serve to line the pockets and increase the profiles of the Ickesque figures that seem capable of mentally drawing in you and others who are obviously susceptible to fantasy - usually the type who spent too long in their bedroom as a child reading science fiction.

Can't stand science fiction and don't have any time for David Icke, especially on his views that half the population are lizards. Go and look through your rose-tinted spectacles. Wally.

If you can't see that Icke's beliefs are as equally stupid as Chuck Missler's then you are just a fool to yourself. . Grow up and start living in the real world instead of your science-denying fantasy god world.

I do live in the real world. Politics is nothing more than a front for the masses. I'm not surprised to get such bad responses. If you look into what Chuck Missler says, he mentions science quite a lot. Thank you for your contribution, whoever you may be. May God bless you, and all you stand for.

Your body might exist in the real world, but your head certainly doesn't. Chuck Missler is a deluded science denier who believes mythical beings are real. As I said before, grow up. You got over father christmas and the tooth fairy not being real, you presumably don't believe in elves and goblins, but by some weird perversity you apparently believe in angels, holy spirits, walking on water, rising from the dead and god. That, quite frankly, is science-denying nonsense.

So his views on bio-tech is science-denying nonsense. If you are trying to play the evolution card, then I can tell you that there is no concise evidence on the subject. In this PC world, people who believe in a creationist point of view are immeidately dismissed as crackpots. The bible has stood the test of time and if it wasn't true, then it would have been discarded centuries ago. Father Christmas and goblins, as you mentioned are both pagan and new age, in as much as believing in astrology. Who needs growing up now then?

P.S For your information, Chuck Missler was head of the RAND think tank, has extensive experience in engineering and controlled the U.S military budget. He, out of all people should know the world as it is, not to mention having over forty years of lecturing the bible. One has to be very clever to do the things he says, and he would put the likes of you and I to shame

he may of been working at rand by end report on leaving rand was not a good one, they was glad to get rid of him.
hell blood fire and brimstone now give generously, why would canada ban him from there country, if they did see him for what is was, mind you that was after he con 2 oap out of there life savings. he nothing more than a religious bible puncher out to con people and have a very few sheep follow him, the old testament in the bible is only a collettion of pagan storys, with the storys having things added to it and parts taken away and then twisted to suit there needs,
and if you believe that jesus was the son of god then gandhi was also a son of god and was your second coming.
the bible been rip apart that many times change altered that it has failed the test of time, to be able to say it has tested the times though out history, then it would off only been written once and all the rest just a word for word copy. when man climb down from the trees it had no religion, religion is for to control the masses, and man will return to having no religion in the end.

Bartonian wrote:

freefinker wrote:

Bartonian wrote:

freefinker wrote:

Bartonian wrote:

Walter Kurtz wrote: Individuals with your mindset are unable to encourage others to challenge their perception of the bigger picture, you only serve to line the pockets and increase the profiles of the Ickesque figures that seem capable of mentally drawing in you and others who are obviously susceptible to fantasy - usually the type who spent too long in their bedroom as a child reading science fiction.

Can't stand science fiction and don't have any time for David Icke, especially on his views that half the population are lizards. Go and look through your rose-tinted spectacles. Wally.

If you can't see that Icke's beliefs are as equally stupid as Chuck Missler's then you are just a fool to yourself. . Grow up and start living in the real world instead of your science-denying fantasy god world.

I do live in the real world. Politics is nothing more than a front for the masses. I'm not surprised to get such bad responses. If you look into what Chuck Missler says, he mentions science quite a lot. Thank you for your contribution, whoever you may be. May God bless you, and all you stand for.

Your body might exist in the real world, but your head certainly doesn't. Chuck Missler is a deluded science denier who believes mythical beings are real. As I said before, grow up. You got over father christmas and the tooth fairy not being real, you presumably don't believe in elves and goblins, but by some weird perversity you apparently believe in angels, holy spirits, walking on water, rising from the dead and god. That, quite frankly, is science-denying nonsense.

So his views on bio-tech is science-denying nonsense. If you are trying to play the evolution card, then I can tell you that there is no concise evidence on the subject. In this PC world, people who believe in a creationist point of view are immeidately dismissed as crackpots. The bible has stood the test of time and if it wasn't true, then it would have been discarded centuries ago. Father Christmas and goblins, as you mentioned are both pagan and new age, in as much as believing in astrology. Who needs growing up now then?

Utter nonsense again.
Evolution is FACT - you only need to look at the evolving HIV virus or TB bacterium to see it in real time. Or the cichlid fish in the African Great Lakes or fossil evidence of numerous lineages to numerous to list. Or the comprehensive DNA evidence of our relatedness.
As for your seemingly often repeated “The bible has stood the test of time and if it wasn't true, then it would have been discarded centuries ago” – what planet are you living on. I presume you do know the meaning of the word “true” – i.e. “in accordance with fact or reality”.
So, you obviously think it is true the world was created in 7 days less than 10,000 years ago; god somehow managed to create vast amounts of water to totally flood Noah’s world and then make it all disappear again; that a radical Jewish preacher could walk on water as well as turning it into wine, that a dead person can miraculously become alive again 4 days later, etc, etc, ad infinitum.
The biblical account of just about everything has most definitely NOT stood the test of time. It has been ever increasingly discredited over the past few centuries by Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Darwin, Mendel, Wegener, Watson/Crick, etc, etc. It’s called science and it provides an infinitely better explanation of “life, the universe and everything” than the mumbo-jumbo in the quite ridiculous ancient book of fables you put your “faith” in. Faith = “strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof”.
As for me, I’ll stick with proof rather than your pathetic mysticism.

Religion and politics.......Don't you just love them?

v_dubman2005 wrote:
Religion and politics.......Don't you just love them?

I hate religion but I love Jesus.

Condor Man wrote:

v_dubman2005 wrote:
Religion and politics.......Don't you just love them?

I hate religion but I love Jesus.

aww thats sweet of you i did not know you cared for me that much, just for you for my next trick i shall walk on water, but dont tell any one its just a trick of the eye.

Condor Man wrote:

v_dubman2005 wrote:
Religion and politics.......Don't you just love them?

I hate religion but I love Jesus.

.. and you're still going to vote Tory?
Unbelievable.
As you will have deduced I also hate religions, but I do know the gist of what the bible says Jesus preached.
It’s about as near as you could have got to socialism with the mindset of 2000 years ago.

If, by ‘religion’, you mean does it have priests and churches and a band of followers who are prepared to kill non-believers, then the answer is no. If, on the other hand, you refer to the original, literal meaning of the word, namely to ‘bind again’, to reunite the mistaken person that we think we are with the Self that we truly are, then yes, it is a religion. Similarly, if by ‘God’ you mean a separate, supernatural being who created the universe and will reward us by sending us to heaven if we do what He wants, then the answer is no. If you use the term in the sense of the unmanifest, non-dual reality, then yes, I most certainly do believe in God.

freefinker wrote:

Condor Man wrote:

v_dubman2005 wrote: Religion and politics.......Don't you just love them?

I hate religion but I love Jesus.

.. and you're still going to vote Tory? Unbelievable. As you will have deduced I also hate religions, but I do know the gist of what the bible says Jesus preached. It’s about as near as you could have got to socialism with the mindset of 2000 years ago.

None of the parties would ever measure up to Jesus's standards. The Tories are perceived to be too greedy, Liberals are too lenient on wrong doing and Labour focus on rights over responsibilities. In this context, though, I believe Labour have failed and it's time for change. Only the Tories will give ordinary people like me the chance to give my children an excellent education (not a bog standard one).
Jesus never preached on equality, he knew even in Roman times it will never happen. He made no promises that life on Earth would ever be better, just that the life to come would be. Therefore we have to accept that there will always be inequality.

freefinker wrote:

Bartonian wrote:

freefinker wrote:

Bartonian wrote:

freefinker wrote:

Bartonian wrote:

Walter Kurtz wrote: Individuals with your mindset are unable to encourage others to challenge their perception of the bigger picture, you only serve to line the pockets and increase the profiles of the Ickesque figures that seem capable of mentally drawing in you and others who are obviously susceptible to fantasy - usually the type who spent too long in their bedroom as a child reading science fiction.

Can't stand science fiction and don't have any time for David Icke, especially on his views that half the population are lizards. Go and look through your rose-tinted spectacles. Wally.

If you can't see that Icke's beliefs are as equally stupid as Chuck Missler's then you are just a fool to yourself. . Grow up and start living in the real world instead of your science-denying fantasy god world.

I do live in the real world. Politics is nothing more than a front for the masses. I'm not surprised to get such bad responses. If you look into what Chuck Missler says, he mentions science quite a lot. Thank you for your contribution, whoever you may be. May God bless you, and all you stand for.

Your body might exist in the real world, but your head certainly doesn't. Chuck Missler is a deluded science denier who believes mythical beings are real. As I said before, grow up. You got over father christmas and the tooth fairy not being real, you presumably don't believe in elves and goblins, but by some weird perversity you apparently believe in angels, holy spirits, walking on water, rising from the dead and god. That, quite frankly, is science-denying nonsense.

So his views on bio-tech is science-denying nonsense. If you are trying to play the evolution card, then I can tell you that there is no concise evidence on the subject. In this PC world, people who believe in a creationist point of view are immeidately dismissed as crackpots. The bible has stood the test of time and if it wasn't true, then it would have been discarded centuries ago. Father Christmas and goblins, as you mentioned are both pagan and new age, in as much as believing in astrology. Who needs growing up now then?

Utter nonsense again. Evolution is FACT - you only need to look at the evolving HIV virus or TB bacterium to see it in real time. Or the cichlid fish in the African Great Lakes or fossil evidence of numerous lineages to numerous to list. Or the comprehensive DNA evidence of our relatedness. As for your seemingly often repeated “The bible has stood the test of time and if it wasn't true, then it would have been discarded centuries ago” – what planet are you living on. I presume you do know the meaning of the word “true” – i.e. “in accordance with fact or reality”. So, you obviously think it is true the world was created in 7 days less than 10,000 years ago; god somehow managed to create vast amounts of water to totally flood Noah’s world and then make it all disappear again; that a radical Jewish preacher could walk on water as well as turning it into wine, that a dead person can miraculously become alive again 4 days later, etc, etc, ad infinitum. The biblical account of just about everything has most definitely NOT stood the test of time. It has been ever increasingly discredited over the past few centuries by Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Darwin, Mendel, Wegener, Watson/Crick, etc, etc. It’s called science and it provides an infinitely better explanation of “life, the universe and everything” than the mumbo-jumbo in the quite ridiculous ancient book of fables you put your “faith” in. Faith = “strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof”. As for me, I’ll stick with proof rather than your pathetic mysticism.

I live on planet Earth. Have you evolved from Andy at Locks Heath?

Condor Man wrote:

freefinker wrote:

Condor Man wrote:

v_dubman2005 wrote: Religion and politics.......Don't you just love them?

I hate religion but I love Jesus.

.. and you're still going to vote Tory? Unbelievable. As you will have deduced I also hate religions, but I do know the gist of what the bible says Jesus preached. It’s about as near as you could have got to socialism with the mindset of 2000 years ago.

None of the parties would ever measure up to Jesus's standards. The Tories are perceived to be too greedy, Liberals are too lenient on wrong doing and Labour focus on rights over responsibilities. In this context, though, I believe Labour have failed and it's time for change. Only the Tories will give ordinary people like me the chance to give my children an excellent education (not a bog standard one). Jesus never preached on equality, he knew even in Roman times it will never happen. He made no promises that life on Earth would ever be better, just that the life to come would be. Therefore we have to accept that there will always be inequality.

That sounds more or less accurate to me. You don't stray from the point, unlike some on here. lol.

Bartonian wrote:

Condor Man wrote:

freefinker wrote:

Condor Man wrote:

v_dubman2005 wrote: Religion and politics.......Don't you just love them?

I hate religion but I love Jesus.

.. and you're still going to vote Tory? Unbelievable. As you will have deduced I also hate religions, but I do know the gist of what the bible says Jesus preached. It’s about as near as you could have got to socialism with the mindset of 2000 years ago.

None of the parties would ever measure up to Jesus's standards. The Tories are perceived to be too greedy, Liberals are too lenient on wrong doing and Labour focus on rights over responsibilities. In this context, though, I believe Labour have failed and it's time for change. Only the Tories will give ordinary people like me the chance to give my children an excellent education (not a bog standard one). Jesus never preached on equality, he knew even in Roman times it will never happen. He made no promises that life on Earth would ever be better, just that the life to come would be. Therefore we have to accept that there will always be inequality.

That sounds more or less accurate to me. You don't stray from the point, unlike some on here. lol.

but he did condemn the wealthy, and he did preach a basic socialism, then just under 2000 years comes gandhi doing the same.
there is no after life. you only have one after that you become compost for other life. you be better of believing in the pagan gods. to under stand mono religion you need to know where it first started, and it was't on any country that has shores on the med sea. funny how it started at the time of the roman empire, mono religion first started on the tibre river banks, with a king who got feed up with people praying to all those gods at all times of the day, so he narrowed it down to two, not long after egypt narrowed theres down to two, it was after this a hebrew king done one better he single it down to one. the first mono god, its no accident that the devil has horns too, that is your old gods of pan and baal .
what i am wondering what will the church when humans come across an alien that is so far advance than humans, and look different.
this will be the final blow to religion, because the bible says god made man in his own likeness, and we come across a being that looks totally different and far more advance than us.
the odds say we will one day, there are way to many stars out there just in one galaxy to say there is not.

southy wrote:

Bartonian wrote:

Condor Man wrote:

freefinker wrote:

Condor Man wrote:

v_dubman2005 wrote: Religion and politics.......Don't you just love them?

I hate religion but I love Jesus.

.. and you're still going to vote Tory? Unbelievable. As you will have deduced I also hate religions, but I do know the gist of what the bible says Jesus preached. It’s about as near as you could have got to socialism with the mindset of 2000 years ago.

None of the parties would ever measure up to Jesus's standards. The Tories are perceived to be too greedy, Liberals are too lenient on wrong doing and Labour focus on rights over responsibilities. In this context, though, I believe Labour have failed and it's time for change. Only the Tories will give ordinary people like me the chance to give my children an excellent education (not a bog standard one). Jesus never preached on equality, he knew even in Roman times it will never happen. He made no promises that life on Earth would ever be better, just that the life to come would be. Therefore we have to accept that there will always be inequality.

That sounds more or less accurate to me. You don't stray from the point, unlike some on here. lol.

but he did condemn the wealthy, and he did preach a basic socialism, then just under 2000 years comes gandhi doing the same.
there is no after life. you only have one after that you become compost for other life. you be better of believing in the pagan gods. to under stand mono religion you need to know where it first started, and it was't on any country that has shores on the med sea. funny how it started at the time of the roman empire, mono religion first started on the tibre river banks, with a king who got feed up with people praying to all those gods at all times of the day, so he narrowed it down to two, not long after egypt narrowed theres down to two, it was after this a hebrew king done one better he single it down to one. the first mono god, its no accident that the devil has horns too, that is your old gods of pan and baal .
what i am wondering what will the church when humans come across an alien that is so far advance than humans, and look different.
this will be the final blow to religion, because the bible says god made man in his own likeness, and we come across a being that looks totally different and far more advance than us.
the odds say we will one day, there are way to many stars out there just in one galaxy to say there is not.

Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and now Southy.