Parties ‘don’t represent our Euro views’ – voters (From Daily Echo)

We are being pushed in to a world government, most of us do not want this. All the major parties are secretly signed up for this, I therefore find myself looking at the UKIP because of lack of other options. I do not want Britain or any other country amalgamated and controlled from a far.

Julian Lewis attempted to claim £6,000 in expenses for a wooden floor at his second home.

Well Oracle1 UKIP it is then!

try NO2EU lot would be a much better choice. at lest you know that they are not there to just join the gravey train.

And how exactly has anyone's lives been that effected by what goes on in Brussels?

Or is the usual case of people believing alarmist tabloid headlines and not having the intelligence to actually learn about the system and the parties they vote for?

Sadly, I think these Euro elections will highlight how underlying paranoia and closet racism is still rife in this country.

If by closet racism you mean putting my country first...then yes I'm a closet racist. Who believes this country enjoys a fantastic diversity of social life grace of immigrants and does not want an itinerant bureaucratic behemoth running our government!

The Greens’ manifesto is forward-looking and progressive. Amongst its promises are:

- A new architecture for the financial system so that it serves the ‘real’ economy, this includes breaking up the big banks so they are no longer ‘too big to fail’ and a massive clampdown on tax avoidance to generate £10 billion in revenue.

- Energy efficiency measures for UK homes, schools and hospitals to create 80,000 jobs, reduce harmful emissions and cut fuel bills.

- Free social care for the elderly to improve quality of life and create 60,000 jobs.

- Massive increase in the proportion of electricity that comes from renewable sources – raising wind energy production to the same level as Denmark by 2020 would alone create 200,000 jobs.

well the main things how much do it cost us being in the EU, look how much VAT and how much our tax money we pay in a year, the EU is not for the ordinary people. the EU is for the super rich business like your banks, insurances and financers. so the best party to put into euro would be those that dont want to be in the EU. look what happening in ireland they voted no to the lisbon treaty, but they got to have another vote on it, because the EU did not like the no vote, here in the uk the big 5 partys ( that inc ukip ) dont want you to have the vote on the lisbon treaty because they know they get a no vote. so your better off having a party thats not keen on the EU they will controll it better, and one off those partys is the NO2EU and would be well worth the vote.

I find it amusing that so many people think that this country is being controlled from Brussels and yet those same people will blame the UK govenment and Gordon Brown for the state of the UK - well, either the UK govenment is running the country or it ain't, you can't have it both ways! These people who moan about the EU should consider how their standard of living has increased over the past 30-odd years. There's always the option of the UK becoming the next state of the USA for those who think we'd be better off outside of the EU. These folks should vote Lib Dem next week as at least they have promised a full referendum on our membership of the EU.

It's not about racism or nationalism - it's about Democracy.
The MEPs we elect have no power to propose any new laws or repeal any old ones. Legislative initative rests solely with the Commisioners who are appointed NOT elected.
Thus the EU fails the fundemetal test of a democracy - you can't vote the lawmakers out.

stuartjebbitt wrote:
The Greens’ manifesto is forward-looking and progressive. Amongst its promises are:

- A new architecture for the financial system so that it serves the ‘real’ economy, this includes breaking up the big banks so they are no longer ‘too big to fail’ and a massive clampdown on tax avoidance to generate £10 billion in revenue.

- Energy efficiency measures for UK homes, schools and hospitals to create 80,000 jobs, reduce harmful emissions and cut fuel bills.

- Free social care for the elderly to improve quality of life and create 60,000 jobs.

- Massive increase in the proportion of electricity that comes from renewable sources – raising wind energy production to the same level as Denmark by 2020 would alone create 200,000 jobs.

now look what is wrong with there manifest, like to turn to renewable energy would cost more jobs than it would make, wind power is unrealible and takes up to much room its unworkable you be having black out way to often where it cant produce enough energy. the green party at the moment are living in a dream, has for the denmark part check and see how much electic they are importing though germany, and has the population gets bigger the short fall off power is going to become greater.
no the better choice at the moment is NO2EU.

A lot of people just
want our country back
myself included.
There only seems to be two parties that
are willing to listen
to us. U.K.I.P. and
The British National
Party.Question ?.

It might be interesting to become a state of America....discuss.

Just google "New World Order" and fill your boots.

bumblysaint wrote:
A lot of people just
want our country back
myself included.
There only seems to be two parties that
are willing to listen
to us. U.K.I.P. and
The British National
Party.Question ?.

your wrong there take a real good look at there manifest it is set up for a compeat EU controll, the BNP wants in on the gravy train plus they want to link up with other nationalist partys. and ukip financial part off there manifest you need to read it carefully it sett upfor a EU controll.
only partys that really want out off the EU is the socialist labour party and there's not if's or butt's they will pull you out off the EU, the other is the NO2EU want out but they are willing to let the country have a vote on it. and if its a no then VAT will go to, but if a yes then your get another vote on the lisbon treaty, and the NO2EU lot are the only ones willing to do this no other party is willing to give you the vote on the lisbon treaty.

Oracle1 wrote:
We are being pushed in to a world government, most of us do not want this. All the major parties are secretly signed up for this, I therefore find myself looking at the UKIP because of lack of other options. I do not want Britain or any other country amalgamated and controlled from a far.

Most people have been oblivious to the fact that this is happening. It has been a plan unfolding for many years, and has been stepped up since 911. Gordon Brown, after the state takeover of the banks, mentioned "a new world order." Well, this is precisely what it is. George Bush and Barack Obama have made the same remarks and the EU, along with all of the other Unions that have been created throughout the world, is the final step towards the new world order. It has involved, immgration, multicultualism and political correctness in order to break up the power of nation-states, and the selling of state assets, as what the Conservatives did in the 1980s, has meant that, what we once owned as people, is now in the hands of private individuals.

The charade of terrorism, has been a way of our political class to accept a loss of our freedoms, in return of accpeting ID cards and increased surveillance, as a consequence of controlling our minds and resources. We can go on more about this, but the real power brokers are not politival parties, but private groups and individuals who are shaping the future of the world. One has to look up what the likes of the Bilderburg groupe are doing to understand why.

There are so many hidden agendas with the EU - for god's sake don't we have enough with our own Government? Brown is keeping quiet, Cameron spouting forth as to big changes, but they are all so two-faced, they say one thing and do another. Liberal Dems are not saying much but have the EU in sight - ALL of them, including all the fringe parties just see power and a good pension, and look on the EU as the biggest pig trough in the World - look at the Kinnicks, Mr. and Mrs.feathered their nests. Notable celebrities are putting themselves forward, would they stand the pecking order in Westminster?

goard

Sadly Southy’s enthusiasm for the temporary party he supports is getting better hold of him.
End of the day it is the voters who will decide, and they should be provided with undistorted facts.
There are three parties on the left of centre. Socialist Labour Party (SLP), The Greens and No2eu yes to democracy.
As member and candidate of Socialist Labour Party, I do not want to run down the other two, whom I also respect, but there are important differences.
Greens remain committed to staying in the EU.
No2eu’s leadership has already made it clear that it is only a temporary platform and is only talking about tinkering with various treaties.
Socialist Labour Party is totally committed to withdrawal from the EU. It has crystal clear commitment to restore British sovereignty by pulling Britain out of the EU and start dealing with the world on equal basis.
All the SLP candidates in this region have also pledged to accept only average workers wage and stay away from the gravy train.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Sadly Southy’s enthusiasm for the temporary party he supports is getting better hold of him. End of the day it is the voters who will decide, and they should be provided with undistorted facts. There are three parties on the left of centre. Socialist Labour Party (SLP), The Greens and No2eu yes to democracy. As member and candidate of Socialist Labour Party, I do not want to run down the other two, whom I also respect, but there are important differences. Greens remain committed to staying in the EU. No2eu’s leadership has already made it clear that it is only a temporary platform and is only talking about tinkering with various treaties. Socialist Labour Party is totally committed to withdrawal from the EU. It has crystal clear commitment to restore British sovereignty by pulling Britain out of the EU and start dealing with the world on equal basis. All the SLP candidates in this region have also pledged to accept only average workers wage and stay away from the gravy train.

Tell me how pulling out of the EU will gain anything for this country? The pound is worthless now and we dont make anything here, pulling out will be insane, but good luck with trying to fight a losing battle, there is nothing none of us can do, we will join the EU like the other members and will join the Euro, lisbon treaty.

Bartonian,

Glad we are on the same wavelength. I would rather spend my time discovering facts and info than watching the latest soap/celeb/sport... being mind controlled in to unconscious thinking.

southy wrote:

stuartjebbitt wrote:
The Greens’ manifesto is forward-looking and progressive. Amongst its promises are:

- A new architecture for the financial system so that it serves the ‘real’ economy, this includes breaking up the big banks so they are no longer ‘too big to fail’ and a massive clampdown on tax avoidance to generate £10 billion in revenue.

- Energy efficiency measures for UK homes, schools and hospitals to create 80,000 jobs, reduce harmful emissions and cut fuel bills.

- Free social care for the elderly to improve quality of life and create 60,000 jobs.

- Massive increase in the proportion of electricity that comes from renewable sources – raising wind energy production to the same level as Denmark by 2020 would alone create 200,000 jobs.

now look what is wrong with there manifest, like to turn to renewable energy would cost more jobs than it would make, wind power is unrealible and takes up to much room its unworkable you be having black out way to often where it cant produce enough energy. the green party at the moment are living in a dream, has for the denmark part check and see how much electic they are importing though germany, and has the population gets bigger the short fall off power is going to become greater.
no the better choice at the moment is NO2EU.

Caroline Lucas ranked top in an open poll of MEPs on transparency and accountability - UKIP are a bunch of Wasters collecting a fat salary - as will NO2EU if they get any MEPS.
No UK government is ever going to seriously consider leaving Europe - It's you guys who are 'living in a dream'.

MangaFace wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Sadly Southy’s enthusiasm for the temporary party he supports is getting better hold of him. End of the day it is the voters who will decide, and they should be provided with undistorted facts. There are three parties on the left of centre. Socialist Labour Party (SLP), The Greens and No2eu yes to democracy. As member and candidate of Socialist Labour Party, I do not want to run down the other two, whom I also respect, but there are important differences. Greens remain committed to staying in the EU. No2eu’s leadership has already made it clear that it is only a temporary platform and is only talking about tinkering with various treaties. Socialist Labour Party is totally committed to withdrawal from the EU. It has crystal clear commitment to restore British sovereignty by pulling Britain out of the EU and start dealing with the world on equal basis. All the SLP candidates in this region have also pledged to accept only average workers wage and stay away from the gravy train.

Tell me how pulling out of the EU will gain anything for this country? The pound is worthless now and we dont make anything here, pulling out will be insane, but good luck with trying to fight a losing battle, there is nothing none of us can do, we will join the EU like the other members and will join the Euro, lisbon treaty.

If you go back into the memory lane at one time people posed similar questions to Mahatma Gandhi and probably also to Americans. The history has proved that securing independence in deciding own fate helps.
Also how can anybody put a price upon the freedom of a nation?
EU is costing us billions that could be used to rebuild our economy and for saving the services which have been deprived proper funding.
Any cause only becomes a lost cause if one stops believing in it. So to me it will never be a lost cause. I am sure sooner or later we will get there.

This how the Green Party have been fighting waste and misuse of EU funds..

1. Opted out of the Parliament's controversial second pension fund
2. Voted in favour of cleaning up the second pension fund
3. Supported moves to abolish the Parliament's second seat in Strasbourg
4. Voted against 'hypocritical' EU subsidies to tobacco farmers
5. Voted to reform the CAP and discontinue subsidies to tobacco farmers
6. Voted not to clear the European Parliament's accounts for 2006 due to 75% unaccounted expenditure on MEPs' assistants' allowances
7. Voted not to approve the Parliament's accounts for 2007
8. Voted not to approve the Commission's accounts for 2007
9. Voted to postpone clearing the European Council's accounts for 2007
10. Voted against clearing the accounts of the European Police College for 2007 while it was under investigation for fraud

To see the league table, click here:
www.openeurope.org.u
k/research/meprankin
g.xls

Notice that UKIP have among the lowest rankings..
They are taking the p*** out of those who voted for them!

stuartjebbitt wrote:

southy wrote:

stuartjebbitt wrote:
The Greens’ manifesto is forward-looking and progressive. Amongst its promises are:

- A new architecture for the financial system so that it serves the ‘real’ economy, this includes breaking up the big banks so they are no longer ‘too big to fail’ and a massive clampdown on tax avoidance to generate £10 billion in revenue.

- Energy efficiency measures for UK homes, schools and hospitals to create 80,000 jobs, reduce harmful emissions and cut fuel bills.

- Free social care for the elderly to improve quality of life and create 60,000 jobs.

- Massive increase in the proportion of electricity that comes from renewable sources – raising wind energy production to the same level as Denmark by 2020 would alone create 200,000 jobs.

now look what is wrong with there manifest, like to turn to renewable energy would cost more jobs than it would make, wind power is unrealible and takes up to much room its unworkable you be having black out way to often where it cant produce enough energy. the green party at the moment are living in a dream, has for the denmark part check and see how much electic they are importing though germany, and has the population gets bigger the short fall off power is going to become greater.
no the better choice at the moment is NO2EU.

Caroline Lucas ranked top in an open poll of MEPs on transparency and accountability - UKIP are a bunch of Wasters collecting a fat salary - as will NO2EU if they get any MEPS.
No UK government is ever going to seriously consider leaving Europe - It's you guys who are 'living in a dream'.

if the right ones get into power yes they will or you get a choice of staying in or getting out. but i can a sure you that the NO2EU are not there for the fat salarys but are committed to fight the EU every inch off the way.
Paramjit Bahia its is only temp because they want out of the EU like the majority off the uk people do. and to do that they need to get into power or have enough mps the ply the pressure on the ruling party

Lack of housing and I don’t mean flats!

Lack of jobs.

Roads overloaded with traffic.

To many benefits available to the wrong people.

No incentive to do well.

Positive discrimination.

Gordon Brown and Tony Blair wanted Europe so they are accountable.

Southampton is not the Southampton I knew and loved 15 years ago. It has become just an extension of London.

And did anybody ask us if we wanted Gordon Brown in charge of the country? The ex-chancellor who doesn't even have a GCE in Maths and that speaker who didn’t get his first GCE until he was in his 40's!

VOTE UKIP

StEmmosfire, Woolston said "And did anybody ask us if we wanted Gordon Brown in charge of the country? The ex-chancellor who doesn't even have a GCE in Maths and that speaker who didn’t get his first GCE until he was in his 40's!""
you still need to learn one simple rule you vote for the party not the person who heads the party, another thing you dont need gce or any thing like that, whitehall civil servants need all that, those are the ones that do all the paper work, any one can be a mp or pm, you just need the right ideas that are workable.
oh take a look at ukip meps expensives that are robbing butch to making claims that are over the top.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

MangaFace wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote: Sadly Southy’s enthusiasm for the temporary party he supports is getting better hold of him. End of the day it is the voters who will decide, and they should be provided with undistorted facts. There are three parties on the left of centre. Socialist Labour Party (SLP), The Greens and No2eu yes to democracy. As member and candidate of Socialist Labour Party, I do not want to run down the other two, whom I also respect, but there are important differences. Greens remain committed to staying in the EU. No2eu’s leadership has already made it clear that it is only a temporary platform and is only talking about tinkering with various treaties. Socialist Labour Party is totally committed to withdrawal from the EU. It has crystal clear commitment to restore British sovereignty by pulling Britain out of the EU and start dealing with the world on equal basis. All the SLP candidates in this region have also pledged to accept only average workers wage and stay away from the gravy train.

Tell me how pulling out of the EU will gain anything for this country? The pound is worthless now and we dont make anything here, pulling out will be insane, but good luck with trying to fight a losing battle, there is nothing none of us can do, we will join the EU like the other members and will join the Euro, lisbon treaty.

If you go back into the memory lane at one time people posed similar questions to Mahatma Gandhi and probably also to Americans. The history has proved that securing independence in deciding own fate helps. Also how can anybody put a price upon the freedom of a nation? EU is costing us billions that could be used to rebuild our economy and for saving the services which have been deprived proper funding. Any cause only becomes a lost cause if one stops believing in it. So to me it will never be a lost cause. I am sure sooner or later we will get there.

You are not really selling the point, if you have one. We would be made to perish by the EU if we left.

A lot of people just
want our country back
myself included.

--------------

I can think of one very quick way to improve this country... for you to leave it.

Southy
If as you say "NO2EU are committed to fight the EU every inch off the way" if they give the people a referendum and the people decide to stay in the EU, as could well happen, do NO2EU then completely reverse their fighting the EU stance? or like the EU itself, deny the result till they get what they want?

Opposition to further political,economic and cultural integration with Europe does not mean the only alternative is protectionism or isolation as Pro Eu apologists always pretend.
It does not mean this country will cease to trade with Europe or cease to co-operate on international issues.
The EU has customs unions and trade deals with many non EU countries and will continue to want to trade with us as
We are one of their biggest markets for many things - (especially vehicles)
What withdrawal would mean is that the UK would be able to offer incentives to businesses who want to invest in this country without having to defer to Germany or France first.
The British government would also be free to use taxpayers money to invest in and subsidise our own public services, like the Railways and Royal Mail, without being forced by the EU to put them up for tender and aquisition by foreign companies.
Better to use tax payers money to support our infrastructure rather than see it spent on Factory building projects in Romania and road building in Spain.

Miles Way wrote:
Southy
If as you say "NO2EU are committed to fight the EU every inch off the way" if they give the people a referendum and the people decide to stay in the EU, as could well happen, do NO2EU then completely reverse their fighting the EU stance? or like the EU itself, deny the result till they get what they want?

miles if the country decided to stay in the EU whitch would be very unlikely the next step would be a vote on the lisbon treaty and a no vote there would destroy the EU any way, and total new rethink on the the EU would be needed, why do you think the EU is making ireland have a revote on the lisbon treaty for after they had voted overwhelming no. another no vote and that be it.
the EU needs us, but we dont need the EU

Southy
The difficulty is that if NO2EU declare they will fight the EU at every level this doesn't give them any room if they held a referendum and people voted to stay in - surely they'd have to cease to exist if that happened?
A better stance would be to work with the EU, in the UK's interests, until a referendum could be held to let the majority decide which path it wanted.
Don't forget there is both anti and pro EU sentiment and for every anti argument there is a convincing pro one, so any vote could go either way; it can also depend on how the vote wording is phrased.

Oracle1 wrote:
Bartonian, Glad we are on the same wavelength. I would rather spend my time discovering facts and info than watching the latest soap/celeb/sport... being mind controlled in to unconscious thinking.

Oracle1

I couldn't agree more. The kind of things you have mentioned are just entertainment for the maases. Just as much as party politics is just a show for the masses who have been lazy about a system that is defunct. It is not political parties that run the country, the likes of the freemasons do. Let's write more of the facts. Over to you....

Nazi's the lot of you. xxx

Miles Way wrote:
Southy
The difficulty is that if NO2EU declare they will fight the EU at every level this doesn't give them any room if they held a referendum and people voted to stay in - surely they'd have to cease to exist if that happened?
A better stance would be to work with the EU, in the UK's interests, until a referendum could be held to let the majority decide which path it wanted.
Don't forget there is both anti and pro EU sentiment and for every anti argument there is a convincing pro one, so any vote could go either way; it can also depend on how the vote wording is phrased.

i think you miss under stand the meaning fighting them every inch off the way. if the people decide on staying in first things first there will need to be a uk vote on the lisbon treaty, and there will need to be a vote on weather if the pound should be tied in to the euro dollar, and there will be need to get the full anti-flooding laws in for all those not in the EU ie:- fords transit in turkey. any thing that produce in the EU must come first, there are loads off things that need to be changed, the EU is not set up ordinary people. or even large to small business.
but i have no doubt when giving the people to vote it will be a vote to pull out off the EU.

southy wrote:

Miles Way wrote:
Southy
The difficulty is that if NO2EU declare they will fight the EU at every level this doesn't give them any room if they held a referendum and people voted to stay in - surely they'd have to cease to exist if that happened?
A better stance would be to work with the EU, in the UK's interests, until a referendum could be held to let the majority decide which path it wanted.
Don't forget there is both anti and pro EU sentiment and for every anti argument there is a convincing pro one, so any vote could go either way; it can also depend on how the vote wording is phrased.

i think you miss under stand the meaning fighting them every inch off the way. if the people decide on staying in first things first there will need to be a uk vote on the lisbon treaty, and there will need to be a vote on weather if the pound should be tied in to the euro dollar, and there will be need to get the full anti-flooding laws in for all those not in the EU ie:- fords transit in turkey. any thing that produce in the EU must come first, there are loads off things that need to be changed, the EU is not set up ordinary people. or even large to small business.
but i have no doubt when giving the people to vote it will be a vote to pull out off the EU.

No, "committed to fighting them every inch of way" isn't something I've misunderstood, I'm merely pointing out this may not be the best way to approach the EU debate.
As I see it there is absolutely no way of having a completely unbiased review of what membership actually means, good or bad, so that we can individually make a decision rather than our opinions being based on what we're told by political factions with vested interests.
Anti EU parties will not tell you anything positive about the EU anymore than Pro EU ones will tell you about the negatives, and for the man on the street it's pretty near impossible to make an informed decision on such a complicated matter.
I've been around a while, worked/lived in various places in the EU & am reasonably well informed but if asked I simply don't know if EU membership is good for the UK, or if leaving it would be bad, and I suspect if most people were honest they wouldn't either.

well miles after 37 years in the EU is proof enough, what it means to be in the EU, its been slowly sucking the life blood out off the uk and it will not stop, untill we say enough is enough. its time to let the people decide and in the unlikely event they say yes, then they must be giving the vote on the major things like the lisbon treaty and the euro dollar. its that way you fight them all the way.

UKIP are not the only part against Europe. The English Democrats are fielding candidates in all English Euro regions. They advocate withdrawal from the EU political block and rejoining the European Free Trade Area. The also advocate stricter controls on immigration and an English Parliament to stop billions of English taxpayers money being siphoned off to pay for Scotland and Wales to get better services than England (free elderly care, free higher education, free prescriptions etc. etc.) They did an excellent party political broadcast and this can be found on their website.

ukip wants the lisbon treaty in force with out a vote, just like the torys,labour,sdp,gre
en,bnp.

intresting foot note on the lisbon treaty. to bring back the death penalty for things like rioting, staging a demo, attending an unauthorized meeting. the aim off this is to stop any new political partys forming and to end up only having one party system.