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Euro blues for battered Labour
3:32am Monday 8th June 2009 in News
Labour's Peter Skinner clings on to his seat
GORDON Brown has taken another mauling in the polls as Labour plunged to fifth place in the European elections for the south east behind the Greens.
In the vote for the region’s ten Euro MPs Labour came fifth after seeing more than a third of its share of the vote melt away to the Greens and smaller parties.
Labour’s Peter Skinner clung onto his seat as the party’s only MEP in the south admitting it had been a “rollercoaster ride”.
He said it had been a “tough election” blaming the “incredible outrage” at the MPs expenses scandal for the parties woes.
The count at St Mary’s Stadium was marred by technology problems and saw a British National Party candidate thrown out accused of pouring himself beer without paying.
However after the results were finally declared shortly after 1am - delayed by at least one recount at Basingstoke - the overall state of the parties remained the same as the last election in 2004.
Tories retained four seats but failed to boost its vote share, the UK Independence Party came second comfortably winning two seats, and Liberal Democrats held its two seats.
Despite a surge in support the Greens could not increase the one seat held by party leader Caroline Lucas.
She admitted it was ''disappointing'' not to win a second but said pushing Labour into fifth place and increasing the party’s vote by more than 50 per cent was “real achievement”.
Lead Tory candidate Daniel Hannan said the latest results for Labour sent another clear message to Mr Brown that he should go. He compared Labour to the closing scenes of the film “Terminator” where the robot keeps pulling its way forward "however clearly you blow the thing up".
UKIP leader Nigel Farage hailed coming second in a national election as "extraordinary" but threatened to call in the lawyers after failing to win a third seat.
He blamed a fold on ballot papers in parts of the region obscuring his party’s box which he said had benefited other anti-EU parties. He called it “outrageous” and “shameful” comparing the election in East Sussex to a “banana republic”.
Former top EU accountant Marta Andreasen, who was sacked for warning of budget abuse and fraud, took UKIP’s second seat pledging to expose how taxpayers’ money was being wasted in Europe.
Lib Dem MEP Sharon Bowles, who will head back to Brusssels, regretted the campaigning had been dominated by national issues. Her view was shared by Tory MEP Richard Ashworth who said it was a “shame the British people hadn’t had a debate about Europe.”
The BNP, who won its first two seats in the European Parliament in the North West and Yorkshire and Humber regions, failed to win enough votes for a seat in the south although pooled a third more votes.
One of its candidates, Mark Burke, was escorted off the premises by stadium security after they claimed they caught him on CCTV pouring beers from the bar without paying.
As he was ejected Mr Burke insisted he didn’t’ drink and had mistaken the beer tap for water, only realising his error when it sprayed froth. He said he had left the glass at the bar.
The night got off the a shambolic start when technical problems prevented results from the 67 districts across the south east being displayed for until after 10pm.
Candidates were also left furious that they were being kept in the dark about developments across the country as TV screens were also left blank.
The one TV in reception was switched off by a security guard because there were too many people crowded round it blocking the entrance. Tory Havant MP David Willetts blasted organisers threatening never to use the venue again. The anger mounted as the bar closed at 10.30pm.
Returning officer Mark Heath, from Southampton City Council which ran the show, said a computer system couldn’t cope with showing maps of electoral regions as well as displaying the results from the south east.
He said the bar licence was the football club’s responsibility.
The region saw a turnout of 37.8 per cent, up slightly on the 36.8 per cent in 2004.
With almost all the results from across the UK in, Labour had managed just 15.4 per cent of the popular vote to UKIP's 17.5 per cent.
The Tories had 28.3 per cent while the Liberal Democrats were in fourth with 14 per cent.
Despite the victories in north, where its leader Nick Griffin claimed a seat amid protests, the BNP had a lower share of the vote than the Greens, with 6.6 per cent to their 8.8 per cent.
Deputy leader Harriet Harman admitted that they had been a ''very dismal'' set of results for the party.
She sought to deflect attention from the Prime Minister, putting the blame for Labour's poor performance on the row over MPs' expenses which, she said, had hit the party particularly hard.
Across the 27 countries of the EU just 43 per cent bothered to vote - a record low.
The proportional representation system means that no party will gain an overall majority in the revised 736-seat European Parliament and the result will see little shift in the balance of power.
The centre right European People's Party will still have the most seats and the Party of European Socialists, within which Labour sit, are second.
Conservatives will now quit the EPP to set up a rival anti-federalist centre-righting grouping with allies mostly from central and eastern Europe.
Labour MEP Mr Skinner said: "I'm glad to be going back as part of a group that will have influence rather than shouting from the sidelines."
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Comments(124)
Paramjit Bahia
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7:52am Mon 8 Jun 09
To say that British MPs expenses was the only issue is not true. People are aware that corruption in the EU is even worse and gravy train for the MEP even bigger. EU’s own accountants haven’t signed its accounts for 14 years.
So arrogance, ignoring the people, failure to deliver, refusing to admit along with corruption and bailing out the bent bankers and foreign billionaires’ owners of multinationals all were the major issues.
Only way to win back the public’s trust is to start delivering proper services, improve law and order situation and create a stable economy.
One way of doing that is to win back freedom on economic and political polices back from Brussels , otherwise we will end up being exploited by the fascists, who are hiding behind the respectability of our political system and exploiting our democratic process. They are likely to manipulate the system like Nazis did in Germany before the war.
Andy Locks Heath
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8:01am Mon 8 Jun 09
H0ckeyd wrote:I agree with you H0ckeyd. Andy Burnham (this week's Labour Health Secretry) said "We have got to understand why people have voted for the BNP. We should redouble our determination to take them on and take them out of British politics." So Labour have been in power for 11 years and they still don't understand why, but that doesn't stop them from wanting to smash the deomcratic process up because they don't like it. Perhaps the reason some people vote BNP is that they feel disenfranchised in their own country. In the censored Britain of today you can't even discuss the issue without the need to publicly distance yourself from the BNP before you even begin speaking. I don't agree with the BNP but I resent the notion that I have to begin any discussion of them with a seies of snarling denouncements before I even begin talking. So welcome to the Stalinist world of Britain in 2009. As Roy Harper said in 1969 - Free speech - One each.
I think you'll find people voted for UKIP and the BNP for a few more reasons than all our current shambolic crop of MP's being on the fiddle...there are actually several reasons...unrestrict
ed work rights for EU nationals being one of them...they just don't get it do they?...completely out of touch and look what happens, you open the flood doors for the facists
Linesman
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8:30am Mon 8 Jun 09
It is said that we should learn from history. So much for
Education! Education! Education!
Charlie George's Lawnmower
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8:52am Mon 8 Jun 09
They voted BNP because they are bigots and morons.
End of story.
sadtobehere
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8:52am Mon 8 Jun 09
H0ckeyd
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9:17am Mon 8 Jun 09
Derek of Dibden Purlieu
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9:23am Mon 8 Jun 09
chapelsaint
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9:26am Mon 8 Jun 09
UKIP-1 flyer
GREENS 1 flyer
LAB 0
CON 0
LIB DEM 0
Doorstep canvassers 0
Did I vote? Of course but it was maybe an uninformed decision!
Charlie George's Lawnmower
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9:28am Mon 8 Jun 09
The BNP are never going to go away, because they appeal to bigots and morons.
How exactly do you suggest we "persuade" BNP voters to change their vote?
Andy Locks Heath
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9:29am Mon 8 Jun 09
Charlie George's Lawnmower
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9:47am Mon 8 Jun 09
My gut feeling everytime I hear the BNP talk is of revulsion. I really can't fathom how anyone can support a party whose policies are based upon hate.
To be honest, I don't really want to engage or debate with BNP supporters. You maybe correct in that will marginalise them further, but sadly, you can't be rational with irrational people full of hate and ignorance.
hulla ba11oo
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9:48am Mon 8 Jun 09
Get it right
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9:51am Mon 8 Jun 09
It's a pity there isn't a "Bring Back English Grammar Party"...
H0ckeyd
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9:52am Mon 8 Jun 09
hulla ba11oo
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9:57am Mon 8 Jun 09
H0ckeyd wrote:Well, why shouldn't they be allowed a party political broadcast? The BBC is supposed to be impartial. I'm not a supporter of the party, but it would sicken me if they were simply told "you're not allowed to run for election". There's no earthly reason why they shouldn't. Not even if they actually had a policy of introducing slavery and mandatory Jew hunting on Fridays.
hulla, you have a point, unfortunately it is no longer just the skinheads and NF members who vote for the BNP....for pity's sake they were allowed to advertise on the BBC....no doubt they are the same old BNP, but they now have a MUCH wider spectrum of voters and to call them all morons and bigots is foolish...the people who are the bigots and morons are those who deny and continue to deny the public a referendum on Europe because they are scared...we see why now.
hulla ba11oo
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10:11am Mon 8 Jun 09
Also, cocks
Andy Locks Heath
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10:12am Mon 8 Jun 09
hulla ba11oo
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10:14am Mon 8 Jun 09
Also, pants
hulla ba11oo
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10:18am Mon 8 Jun 09
Also, pwnt
stuartjebbitt
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10:18am Mon 8 Jun 09
Perhaps they should start listening to local people.
For starters the 14,000 local people who have signed a petition against having a poison dumped in their water supply.
Charlie George's Lawnmower
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10:20am Mon 8 Jun 09
These people voting BNP are morons. How they voted previously, I have no idea, do you? If they voted Labour before, then perhaps they were still bigots then. As I said before, it's hard to be rational with irrational people.
I don't care if I am insulting "whole sections of the population" (actually, very small sections of the population... THANK GOD!). These people insult me and I suspect, the majority of people in the country who find BNP policies to be quite sickening.
Because whatever policies they have on the surface, you have to know what the BNP talk about in private are much more offensive and much more diversive.
So Andy, how are you going to change these BNP morons into decent members of society?
hulla ba11oo
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10:25am Mon 8 Jun 09
These people voting BNP are morons.
Not actually a response to the question. "They're morons because they're morons", effectively. Doesn't work.
If they voted Labour before, then perhaps they were still bigots then
So why the change? Why were they not always voting for the Morons And Bigots Party?
I don't care if I am insulting "whole sections of the population"
Which is itself, pretty much by definition, bigotry.
actually, very small sections of the population...
Which can't possibly be true in light of the fact that this story even exists for you to comment on. Well, not in the real world, where causes and effects exist, anyway.
I suspect, the majority of people in the country who find BNP policies to be quite sickening.
Which policies? I presume you've actually read some, rather than just said "Oh, the BNP are just Morons and Bigots!" and dismissed them out-of-hand.
Also, anus
hulla ba11oo
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10:54am Mon 8 Jun 09
Charlie George's Lawnmower, Soton
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11:09am Mon 8 Jun 09
Yomper
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11:11am Mon 8 Jun 09
Yomper
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11:13am Mon 8 Jun 09
bumblysaint
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11:14am Mon 8 Jun 09
and never will be.
All I want is a decent society to live in for the few years, hopefully i've
got left. There's too
much uncontrolled
immigration,this country can't take everyone who thinks
they should be allowed in. I'd like a justice system where a sentence is a
deterrent once more,
I'd like to know my
grandchildren will be able to grow up in a Christian country and not a Muslim state,and i'd
like all people regardless of colour or creed to be valued.The only parties who said a lot of what I was seeking were the smaller fringe parties,the bigger mainstream parties are more interested in money than people,
none of them listen to us,and even if they do they then totally ignore what we've asked for.If the B.N.P. have now a
couple of seats give'em a chance to show what they can do before writing them off,they might
suprise all of us.
After all we've had to put up with fiddlers,liars, and
downright dishonest cheats for a long time.Maybe a shake-up
was just what was needed.
Charlie George's Lawnmower, Soton
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11:15am Mon 8 Jun 09
Yomper wrote:Then they're ignorant racist moronic bigots, and probably gay as well
All of the ex servicemen I know from around the country tell me they voted UKIP or BNP
Charlie George's Lawnmower, Soton
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11:16am Mon 8 Jun 09
bumblysaint wrote:More ignorant, moronic gay bigotry
I'm not a member of any political party
and never will be.
All I want is a decent society to live in for the few years, hopefully i've
got left. There's too
much uncontrolled
immigration,this country can't take everyone who thinks
they should be allowed in. I'd like a justice system where a sentence is a
deterrent once more,
I'd like to know my
grandchildren will be able to grow up in a Christian country and not a Muslim state,and i'd
like all people regardless of colour or creed to be valued.The only parties who said a lot of what I was seeking were the smaller fringe parties,the bigger mainstream parties are more interested in money than people,
none of them listen to us,and even if they do they then totally ignore what we've asked for.If the B.N.P. have now a
couple of seats give'em a chance to show what they can do before writing them off,they might
suprise all of us.
After all we've had to put up with fiddlers,liars, and
downright dishonest cheats for a long time.Maybe a shake-up
was just what was needed.
southy
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11:33am Mon 8 Jun 09
the only reason BNP wants into europe is to join the gravy train and most off all link up with other like thinking partys.
G3orgem
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11:36am Mon 8 Jun 09
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G3orgem
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11:43am Mon 8 Jun 09
G3orgem wrote:More ignorant, moronic gay bigotry
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G3orgem
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11:43am Mon 8 Jun 09
G3orgem wrote:More ignorant, moronic gay bigotry
BNP RULES KO BNP RULES KO BNP RULES KO BNP RULES KO BNP RULES KO BNP RULES KO BNP RULES KO BNP RULES KO
Derek of Dibden Purlieu
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11:44am Mon 8 Jun 09
Max Lulz
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11:47am Mon 8 Jun 09
southy wrote:But surely pretty much everybody regardless of who they vote for, is voting for history to repeat itself? Presumably you are - or have been, at some point - a Labour voter. So why did you vote Labour? Because you wanted them to repeat their history of doing whatever it was you liked them doing.
voting BNP is like voting for history to repeat it self, to many people forget that the BNP is the political wing off the national front. and there set up is no different for the set up off the nationalist party in germany before WW2, apart from the national front dont put on uniform, dont make any mistakes for what they really are exstream right wing capitalists (fascist), the worse kind off capitalist there is, the type your parent or grandparents fought against.
the only reason BNP wants into europe is to join the gravy train and most off all link up with other like thinking partys.
Max Lulz
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11:48am Mon 8 Jun 09
southy wrote:But surely pretty much everybody regardless of who they vote for, is voting for history to repeat itself? Presumably you are - or have been, at some point - a Labour voter. So why did you vote Labour? Because you wanted them to repeat their history of doing whatever it was you liked them doing.
voting BNP is like voting for history to repeat it self, to many people forget that the BNP is the political wing off the national front. and there set up is no different for the set up off the nationalist party in germany before WW2, apart from the national front dont put on uniform, dont make any mistakes for what they really are exstream right wing capitalists (fascist), the worse kind off capitalist there is, the type your parent or grandparents fought against.
the only reason BNP wants into europe is to join the gravy train and most off all link up with other like thinking partys.
Max Lulz
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11:48am Mon 8 Jun 09
southy
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11:49am Mon 8 Jun 09
other errors include's a fold in the voting paper, failer to deliver polling id vording cards thouth every door, failer to have a officer of the law present at every polling station, the last is enough to enforce a reballot
Andy Locks Heath
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11:51am Mon 8 Jun 09
AndyAndrews
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11:53am Mon 8 Jun 09
southy
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11:59am Mon 8 Jun 09
Max Lulz wrote:no problem max, i did not vote for labour, labour is no longer a party for the masses, its now a centre right capitalist party. i care to much about people to vote for right wing ideals, and only vote for partys that are left off centre but NEVER exstream left, the green party i will not vote for to.
Sorry for teh doublepost, the Echo server pwnd my lulz
G3orgem
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12:01pm Mon 8 Jun 09
AndyAndrews wrote:Depends if you approve of Racism?
Nearly a million "bigots and morons" voted BNP in spite of all the anti-democratic attempts by the press, other parties and the Archbishop of Canterbury to discourage this. Surely this was the finest way of showing two fingers to Gordon Brown and his right wing Labour party?
Max Lulz
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12:06pm Mon 8 Jun 09
southy wrote:I didn't mean in recent elections, I meant at any point in the past, you were a Labour voter. In fact, I only posited that as an example. Regardless of the actual party involved, fact is, unless you voted for a different party at every single election, you have voted for history to repeat itself. Even if you *have* voted for a different party every time, you've almost certainly still voted for history to repeat itself, unless you constantly change your own, party-agnostic, political ideals. You say you care too much about people to vote for a right-wing party? I'll ignore the glaring begging-the-question there and say, that still shows you vote for history to repeat itself. You vote in the hope that we can return to times where people mattered. That's history, and you want it repeated.
Max Lulz wrote:no problem max, i did not vote for labour, labour is no longer a party for the masses, its now a centre right capitalist party. i care to much about people to vote for right wing ideals, and only vote for partys that are left off centre but NEVER exstream left, the green party i will not vote for to.
Sorry for teh doublepost, the Echo server pwnd my lulz
Sorry, mate, I'm playing devils advocate with you slightly here! But I don't see how anybody can ever say "I won't ever vote for this party". We should vote on policy, no?
G3orgem
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12:11pm Mon 8 Jun 09
G3orgem
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12:12pm Mon 8 Jun 09
G3orgem
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12:12pm Mon 8 Jun 09
Max Lulz
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12:12pm Mon 8 Jun 09
G3orgem wrote:Not all of their policies are rooted in bigotry. From their health policy:
AndyAndrews wrote:Depends if you approve of Racism?
Nearly a million "bigots and morons" voted BNP in spite of all the anti-democratic attempts by the press, other parties and the Archbishop of Canterbury to discourage this. Surely this was the finest way of showing two fingers to Gordon Brown and his right wing Labour party?
We are wholly committed to a free, fully funded National Health Service for all British citizens.
Seems fair enough to me. It's funded by national insurance. If my house is burgled, I wouldn't expect to be able to claim on your contents insurance.
We will see to it that no money is given in foreign aid while our own hospitals are short of beds and the staff to run them
Seems sensible enough. The implied social contract is, British citizens contribute collectively to a fund for their own healthcare. Nothing racist about it.
Max Lulz
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12:14pm Mon 8 Jun 09
G3orgem wrote:And also made Simon Cowell illegal
I would vote for any party that banned N-Dubz from making "music"
Charlie George's Lawnmower, Soton
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12:22pm Mon 8 Jun 09
Derek of Dibden Purlieu wrote:Yeah sure, I'm a recruiter for the BNP! You're the racist, pal! Ignorant ****
Judging by Charlie Georges narrow minded comments, he is the moronic bigot that he professes to despise so much. Could he have an undisclosed agenda as a recruiting sergeant for the BNP?
hulla ba11oo
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12:26pm Mon 8 Jun 09
http://www.lemonpart
y.org
goard
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12:30pm Mon 8 Jun 09
goard
southy
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12:34pm Mon 8 Jun 09
Max Lulz wrote:your last part is so right people should vote on policy but to many people dont, like when m.thatcher won the election in 1979 she won because she was a woman and got most of the womens votes, and also at that time there was anger at the labour government at the wage freeze that was in its 3rd year,i not saying the torys would off not won that election i sure they would off, but they would off not got that majority like they had it would off been more off a hung government. blair took a leaf out off m.thacters book the use of hand jesters you know the open arms and a slight showing of the palms of the hands (look at me i am being open and honest) makes me wonder what he got to hide, we soon found out, he turned the labour party into a capitalist party.
southy wrote:I didn't mean in recent elections, I meant at any point in the past, you were a Labour voter. In fact, I only posited that as an example. Regardless of the actual party involved, fact is, unless you voted for a different party at every single election, you have voted for history to repeat itself. Even if you *have* voted for a different party every time, you've almost certainly still voted for history to repeat itself, unless you constantly change your own, party-agnostic, political ideals. You say you care too much about people to vote for a right-wing party? I'll ignore the glaring begging-the-question there and say, that still shows you vote for history to repeat itself. You vote in the hope that we can return to times where people mattered. That's history, and you want it repeated.
Max Lulz wrote:no problem max, i did not vote for labour, labour is no longer a party for the masses, its now a centre right capitalist party. i care to much about people to vote for right wing ideals, and only vote for partys that are left off centre but NEVER exstream left, the green party i will not vote for to.
Sorry for teh doublepost, the Echo server pwnd my lulz
Sorry, mate, I'm playing devils advocate with you slightly here! But I don't see how anybody can ever say "I won't ever vote for this party". We should vote on policy, no?
but yes your right in a way how you vote is repeating history, but you want the better part to repeat it self and not the worse part.
Derek of Dibden Purlieu
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12:42pm Mon 8 Jun 09
Charlie George's Lawnmower, Soton
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12:51pm Mon 8 Jun 09
Derek of Dibden Purlieu wrote:So you hate black people, then? That's logical is it? Very good I must say!!!!11
Poor Charlie. Can't win an argument by logic so reverts to type and begins using abuse.
Max Lulz
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12:55pm Mon 8 Jun 09
The tragedy is, there isn't really any solution. Any party can make any claims they want, and simply forget about them as soon as they're elected. Maybe "policy" should become "contractual obligation", and parties should be legally held to their pre-election promises?
thesaint
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12:58pm Mon 8 Jun 09
G3orgem wrote:thicko alert,i am shocked that after the d day event of the weekend of the real war heros who gave their lives.
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we have hitlers children repeating the same old propganda.
Max Lulz
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1:07pm Mon 8 Jun 09
thesaint wrote:I am shocked you can't spot an obvious troll, tbh
G3orgem wrote:thicko alert,i am shocked that after the d day event of the weekend of the real war heros who gave their lives.
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we have hitlers children repeating the same old propganda.
Teh Internets sure are serious business, eh
H0ckeyd
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1:09pm Mon 8 Jun 09
Also, all of you, please you are all mostly wrong, it is an innate reaction of people and animals to dislike difference and change....the more you call someone a moron and a biggot there more they will become worse.
UNLIKE the main political parties, stop and ask yourself WHY they are like they are?....for example I have been to countries 10 or more times the size of Great Britain with SMALLER immigration quotas than here...does THAT make sense?.....I am all for bringing in people who are needed, but there MUST be a limit...now call me a bigot or a racialist...I know I'm not.
thesaint
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1:10pm Mon 8 Jun 09
bumblysaint wrote:winston churchill quote for you bnp nazi lovers"Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this island or lose the war. If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be free and life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fall, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science.
I'm not a member of any political party
and never will be.
All I want is a decent society to live in for the few years, hopefully i've
got left. There's too
much uncontrolled
immigration,this country can't take everyone who thinks
they should be allowed in. I'd like a justice system where a sentence is a
deterrent once more,
I'd like to know my
grandchildren will be able to grow up in a Christian country and not a Muslim state,and i'd
like all people regardless of colour or creed to be valued.The only parties who said a lot of what I was seeking were the smaller fringe parties,the bigger mainstream parties are more interested in money than people,
none of them listen to us,and even if they do they then totally ignore what we've asked for.If the B.N.P. have now a
couple of seats give'em a chance to show what they can do before writing them off,they might
suprise all of us.
After all we've had to put up with fiddlers,liars, and
downright dishonest cheats for a long time.Maybe a shake-up
was just what was needed.
Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the British Empire and its Commonwealth lasts for a thousand years, men will still say, “This was their finest hour!”
Max Lulz
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1:12pm Mon 8 Jun 09
H0ckeyd wrote:See: http://encyclopediad
I don't know if anyone see's the irony in this, but the xenophobic euro no-voters who've brought in the BNP would probably be shocked to realise that the particular eastern european countries of which many new arrivals have come from have governments who would whole-heartedly concur with the BNP...one thing is for sure...The BNP will NOT be a minority in their views in Brussels.
Also, all of you, please you are all mostly wrong, it is an innate reaction of people and animals to dislike difference and change....the more you call someone a moron and a biggot there more they will become worse.
UNLIKE the main political parties, stop and ask yourself WHY they are like they are?....for example I have been to countries 10 or more times the size of Great Britain with SMALLER immigration quotas than here...does THAT make sense?.....I am all for bringing in people who are needed, but there MUST be a limit...now call me a bigot or a racialist...I know I'm not.
ramatica.com/Not_rac
ist
Please try and make your post a bit more coherent before calling everyone else "mostly wrong"
southy
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1:21pm Mon 8 Jun 09
Max Lulz wrote:total agree it should be enforce on them to be an obligation. still waiting on labour promise on the vote on the lisbon treaty that they said we would have.
So you're saying we shouldn't have given women the vote, then Southy?? (I'm joking)
The tragedy is, there isn't really any solution. Any party can make any claims they want, and simply forget about them as soon as they're elected. Maybe "policy" should become "contractual obligation", and parties should be legally held to their pre-election promises?
H0ckeyd
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1:27pm Mon 8 Jun 09
Max Lulz wrote:Coherent?....one side of this discussion is making blanket statements about details of racism they clearly have no comprehension of, the other is again, likewise doing the same...you clearly are "mostly wrong" and that URL?...I take it that was an accusation calling me racist...right, well I know I'm not every asian, african and european friend of mine knows I'm not.....I just am not afraid to hide behind the "fiddling while Rome burns down" you CLEARLY are using.
H0ckeyd wrote:See: http://encyclopediad
I don't know if anyone see's the irony in this, but the xenophobic euro no-voters who've brought in the BNP would probably be shocked to realise that the particular eastern european countries of which many new arrivals have come from have governments who would whole-heartedly concur with the BNP...one thing is for sure...The BNP will NOT be a minority in their views in Brussels.
Also, all of you, please you are all mostly wrong, it is an innate reaction of people and animals to dislike difference and change....the more you call someone a moron and a biggot there more they will become worse.
UNLIKE the main political parties, stop and ask yourself WHY they are like they are?....for example I have been to countries 10 or more times the size of Great Britain with SMALLER immigration quotas than here...does THAT make sense?.....I am all for bringing in people who are needed, but there MUST be a limit...now call me a bigot or a racialist...I know I'm not.
ramatica.com/Not_rac
ist
Please try and make your post a bit more coherent before calling everyone else "mostly wrong"
Max Lulz
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1:29pm Mon 8 Jun 09
H0ckeyd wrote:"I can't be racist, some of my friends are ethnic" - please, follow the URL. Or not. Whatever. Denial sure is ugly, eh. BAAAAWWWW
Max Lulz wrote:Coherent?....one side of this discussion is making blanket statements about details of racism they clearly have no comprehension of, the other is again, likewise doing the same...you clearly are "mostly wrong" and that URL?...I take it that was an accusation calling me racist...right, well I know I'm not every asian, african and european friend of mine knows I'm not.....I just am not afraid to hide behind the "fiddling while Rome burns down" you CLEARLY are using.
H0ckeyd wrote:See: http://encyclopediad
I don't know if anyone see's the irony in this, but the xenophobic euro no-voters who've brought in the BNP would probably be shocked to realise that the particular eastern european countries of which many new arrivals have come from have governments who would whole-heartedly concur with the BNP...one thing is for sure...The BNP will NOT be a minority in their views in Brussels.
Also, all of you, please you are all mostly wrong, it is an innate reaction of people and animals to dislike difference and change....the more you call someone a moron and a biggot there more they will become worse.
UNLIKE the main political parties, stop and ask yourself WHY they are like they are?....for example I have been to countries 10 or more times the size of Great Britain with SMALLER immigration quotas than here...does THAT make sense?.....I am all for bringing in people who are needed, but there MUST be a limit...now call me a bigot or a racialist...I know I'm not.
ramatica.com/Not_rac
ist
Please try and make your post a bit more coherent before calling everyone else "mostly wrong"
Max Lulz
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1:31pm Mon 8 Jun 09
southy wrote:You'll be waiting a while, I expect :-(
Max Lulz wrote:total agree it should be enforce on them to be an obligation. still waiting on labour promise on the vote on the lisbon treaty that they said we would have.
So you're saying we shouldn't have given women the vote, then Southy?? (I'm joking)
The tragedy is, there isn't really any solution. Any party can make any claims they want, and simply forget about them as soon as they're elected. Maybe "policy" should become "contractual obligation", and parties should be legally held to their pre-election promises?
H0ckeyd
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1:34pm Mon 8 Jun 09
Max Lulz wrote:"BAAAWWWW" -Classy and very civilised...actually most of my friends are "ethnic" and some of my family too....you push so hard because you clearly have your own internal problems with such matters....figures are what I'm talking about, the same ones that most of my friends do too...but carry on, we'd all like to see the cities of great Britain as packed and as polluted as cities such as Mexico City or Delhi or Tokyo....someone who throws around such accusations should seriously look at themselves....cus it seems like a touchy subject for you.
H0ckeyd wrote:"I can't be racist, some of my friends are ethnic" - please, follow the URL. Or not. Whatever. Denial sure is ugly, eh. BAAAAWWWW
Max Lulz wrote:Coherent?....one side of this discussion is making blanket statements about details of racism they clearly have no comprehension of, the other is again, likewise doing the same...you clearly are "mostly wrong" and that URL?...I take it that was an accusation calling me racist...right, well I know I'm not every asian, african and european friend of mine knows I'm not.....I just am not afraid to hide behind the "fiddling while Rome burns down" you CLEARLY are using.
H0ckeyd wrote:See: http://encyclopediad
I don't know if anyone see's the irony in this, but the xenophobic euro no-voters who've brought in the BNP would probably be shocked to realise that the particular eastern european countries of which many new arrivals have come from have governments who would whole-heartedly concur with the BNP...one thing is for sure...The BNP will NOT be a minority in their views in Brussels.
Also, all of you, please you are all mostly wrong, it is an innate reaction of people and animals to dislike difference and change....the more you call someone a moron and a biggot there more they will become worse.
UNLIKE the main political parties, stop and ask yourself WHY they are like they are?....for example I have been to countries 10 or more times the size of Great Britain with SMALLER immigration quotas than here...does THAT make sense?.....I am all for bringing in people who are needed, but there MUST be a limit...now call me a bigot or a racialist...I know I'm not.
ramatica.com/Not_rac
ist
Please try and make your post a bit more coherent before calling everyone else "mostly wrong"
butthurt hockeyd
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1:39pm Mon 8 Jun 09
Max Lulz
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1:41pm Mon 8 Jun 09
"BAAAWWWW" -Classy and very civilised...actually most of my friends are "ethnic" and some of my family too....you push so hard because you clearly have your own internal problems with such matters....figures are what I'm talking about, the same ones that most of my friends do too...but carry on, we'd all like to see the cities of great Britain as packed and as polluted as cities such as Mexico City or Delhi or Tokyo....someone who throws around such accusations should seriously look at themselves....cus it seems like a touchy subject for you.
Soooo...you *can't* be racist, because you have coloured friends? I'm unconvinced.
Why d'you believe that anybody not sharing your exact view can only possibly hold the exact *opposite* view? Why so aggressive toward others? Why all this projection? Why all the denial? Why so desperate not to be thought of as an racist? (sic)
H0ckeyd
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1:42pm Mon 8 Jun 09
butthurt hockeyd wrote:nice bit of homophobia there..yeah because that SOOO okay isnt it....idiots.
Oh noes! I need teh waaaahmbulance!
H0ckeyd
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1:45pm Mon 8 Jun 09
Max Lulz wrote:of course you can be racist...many "ethnics" are racist as well...as is most of the human population...which was the point I was making...why would I be in denial? and why would I be projecting..that's what YOU are doing....but it IS YOU who are throwning arounf "BIGOT AND MORON" statements so...
"BAAAWWWW" -Classy and very civilised...actually most of my friends are "ethnic" and some of my family too....you push so hard because you clearly have your own internal problems with such matters....figures are what I'm talking about, the same ones that most of my friends do too...but carry on, we'd all like to see the cities of great Britain as packed and as polluted as cities such as Mexico City or Delhi or Tokyo....someone who throws around such accusations should seriously look at themselves....cus it seems like a touchy subject for you.
Soooo...you *can't* be racist, because you have coloured friends? I'm unconvinced.
Why d'you believe that anybody not sharing your exact view can only possibly hold the exact *opposite* view? Why so aggressive toward others? Why all this projection? Why all the denial? Why so desperate not to be thought of as an racist? (sic)
"Why d'you believe that anybody not sharing your exact view can only possibly hold the exact *opposite* view? Why so aggressive toward others? Why all this projection? Why all the denial? Why so desperate not to be thought of as an racist?"
butthurt hockeyd
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1:45pm Mon 8 Jun 09
H0ckeyd wrote:O RLY? Whats homophobic about it? Wonder why you connected the dots and got that? "Butthurt"'s got nothing to do with teh gay, y'know. Straight peeps can do buttsecks too. Falling on your butt can give you butthurt. Please, stop with this endless hiding behind liberal dogma, it's unbecoming, and fooling nobody
butthurt hockeyd wrote:nice bit of homophobia there..yeah because that SOOO okay isnt it....idiots.
Oh noes! I need teh waaaahmbulance!
H0ckeyd
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1:45pm Mon 8 Jun 09
Max Lulz wrote:of course you can be racist...many "ethnics" are racist as well...as is most of the human population...which was the point I was making...why would I be in denial? and why would I be projecting..that's what YOU are doing....but it IS YOU who are throwning arounf "BIGOT AND MORON" statements so...
"BAAAWWWW" -Classy and very civilised...actually most of my friends are "ethnic" and some of my family too....you push so hard because you clearly have your own internal problems with such matters....figures are what I'm talking about, the same ones that most of my friends do too...but carry on, we'd all like to see the cities of great Britain as packed and as polluted as cities such as Mexico City or Delhi or Tokyo....someone who throws around such accusations should seriously look at themselves....cus it seems like a touchy subject for you.
Soooo...you *can't* be racist, because you have coloured friends? I'm unconvinced.
Why d'you believe that anybody not sharing your exact view can only possibly hold the exact *opposite* view? Why so aggressive toward others? Why all this projection? Why all the denial? Why so desperate not to be thought of as an racist? (sic)
"Why d'you believe that anybody not sharing your exact view can only possibly hold the exact *opposite* view? Why so aggressive toward others? Why all this projection? Why all the denial? Why so desperate not to be thought of as an racist?"
Max Lulz
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1:48pm Mon 8 Jun 09
but it IS YOU who are throwning arounf "BIGOT AND MORON" statements so.
It is? Where? Re-read the thread. Think you've got me confused with Charlie George's Lawnmower. Or do we all just look alike?
H0ckeyd
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1:48pm Mon 8 Jun 09
butthurt hockeyd wrote:your comment about my "butthurt" is clearly a homophobic slur...just reported you.
H0ckeyd wrote:O RLY? Whats homophobic about it? Wonder why you connected the dots and got that? "Butthurt"'s got nothing to do with teh gay, y'know. Straight peeps can do buttsecks too. Falling on your butt can give you butthurt. Please, stop with this endless hiding behind liberal dogma, it's unbecoming, and fooling nobody
butthurt hockeyd wrote:nice bit of homophobia there..yeah because that SOOO okay isnt it....idiots.
Oh noes! I need teh waaaahmbulance!
G3orgem
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1:50pm Mon 8 Jun 09
hulla ba11oo wrote:Goatse is leader and Cupchicks are foreign policy advisor
I'll be voting for the Lemon Party. Much more sensible! http://www.lemonpart y.org
acronyms
acronyms
acronyms
acronyms
acronyms
BNP
G3orgem
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1:51pm Mon 8 Jun 09
H0ckeyd wrote:Lol, did someone pee in your cornflakes?
butthurt hockeyd wrote:your comment about my "butthurt" is clearly a homophobic slur...just reported you.H0ckeyd wrote:O RLY? Whats homophobic about it? Wonder why you connected the dots and got that? "Butthurt"'s got nothing to do with teh gay, y'know. Straight peeps can do buttsecks too. Falling on your butt can give you butthurt. Please, stop with this endless hiding behind liberal dogma, it's unbecoming, and fooling nobodybutthurt hockeyd wrote: Oh noes! I need teh waaaahmbulance!nice bit of homophobia there..yeah because that SOOO okay isnt it....idiots.
butthurt hockeyd
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1:52pm Mon 8 Jun 09
H0ckeyd wrote:"Clearly"? That's a very simplistic rhetorical device that you seem rather fond of using over and over again. It's supposed to make your opinion read as fact, when of course, it isn't. Clearly you're pre-occupied with sodomy to have lept to effortlessly from the one to the other. Clearly you think implications of homosexuality are "a slur" ergo, by extension, you see homosexuality as A Bad Thing. What a bigot.
butthurt hockeyd wrote:your comment about my "butthurt" is clearly a homophobic slur...just reported you.
H0ckeyd wrote:O RLY? Whats homophobic about it? Wonder why you connected the dots and got that? "Butthurt"'s got nothing to do with teh gay, y'know. Straight peeps can do buttsecks too. Falling on your butt can give you butthurt. Please, stop with this endless hiding behind liberal dogma, it's unbecoming, and fooling nobody
butthurt hockeyd wrote:nice bit of homophobia there..yeah because that SOOO okay isnt it....idiots.
Oh noes! I need teh waaaahmbulance!
Oh noes! Teh banhammer! An I just got this account, too!
Derek of Dibden Purlieu
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1:52pm Mon 8 Jun 09
butthurt hockeyd
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1:53pm Mon 8 Jun 09
Derek of Dibden Purlieu
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1:54pm Mon 8 Jun 09
butthurt hockeyd
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1:54pm Mon 8 Jun 09
G3orgem wrote:PWNT! LOLLERCOASTER!!!!!11
H0ckeyd wrote:Lol, did someone pee in your cornflakes?
butthurt hockeyd wrote:your comment about my "butthurt" is clearly a homophobic slur...just reported you.H0ckeyd wrote:O RLY? Whats homophobic about it? Wonder why you connected the dots and got that? "Butthurt"'s got nothing to do with teh gay, y'know. Straight peeps can do buttsecks too. Falling on your butt can give you butthurt. Please, stop with this endless hiding behind liberal dogma, it's unbecoming, and fooling nobodybutthurt hockeyd wrote: Oh noes! I need teh waaaahmbulance!nice bit of homophobia there..yeah because that SOOO okay isnt it....idiots.
1elevenoneone111!!!
southy
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1:54pm Mon 8 Jun 09
Max Lulz wrote:yes your right there, labour, torys, lib/dems, greens, bnp and ukip all want the lisbon treaty in and dont want you to have the vote on it.
southy wrote:You'll be waiting a while, I expect :-(
Max Lulz wrote:total agree it should be enforce on them to be an obligation. still waiting on labour promise on the vote on the lisbon treaty that they said we would have.
So you're saying we shouldn't have given women the vote, then Southy?? (I'm joking)
The tragedy is, there isn't really any solution. Any party can make any claims they want, and simply forget about them as soon as they're elected. Maybe "policy" should become "contractual obligation", and parties should be legally held to their pre-election promises?
heres some interesting the 3 newest partys in the euro elections done well, considering they did not get the air time on tv/radio or the news paper coverage like the 7 partys did, the Christian Party-Christian Peoples Alliances had 35,712 votes and the No2EU 21,455 votes and Socialist Labour Party 15,484 votes in the south-east.
and in northern ireland a socalist party has a member in the EU, who will be doing his job on a working class wage and no expenses claims in europe, we need more people like him only doing the job on a low income
Derek of Dibden Purlieu
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1:55pm Mon 8 Jun 09
butthurt hockeyd
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1:56pm Mon 8 Jun 09
Derek of Dibden Purlieu wrote:NO U
Charlie, When you're in a deep hole, it's considered sensible to stop digging. Public humiliation can be entertaining but when it's self-inflicted it is hilarious.
H0ckeyd
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1:57pm Mon 8 Jun 09
My point being, so you've never looked at someone and thought "jesus" they're ugly!...course you have, pre-set recognition...we're all guilty of it...it's just how we handle it and shouts of "Racist", "bigot and moron" as well as "BNP, BNP, BNP" are all very wrong and simple-minded.
H0ckeyd
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1:57pm Mon 8 Jun 09
My point being, so you've never looked at someone and thought "jesus" they're ugly!...course you have, pre-set recognition...we're all guilty of it...it's just how we handle it and shouts of "Racist", "bigot and moron" as well as "BNP, BNP, BNP" are all very wrong and simple-minded.
Max Lulz
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1:59pm Mon 8 Jun 09
H0ckeyd wrote:Wait. Whom are you addressing here? (no pun intended)
They certainly are a "slur" if they are untrue....which they are.
My point being, so you've never looked at someone and thought "jesus" they're ugly!...course you have, pre-set recognition...we're all guilty of it...it's just how we handle it and shouts of "Racist", "bigot and moron" as well as "BNP, BNP, BNP" are all very wrong and simple-minded.
G3orgem
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1:59pm Mon 8 Jun 09
G3orgem
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2:04pm Mon 8 Jun 09
H0ckeyd wrote:What are you chatting about willis?
They certainly are a "slur" if they are untrue....which they are. My point being, so you've never looked at someone and thought "jesus" they're ugly!...course you have, pre-set recognition...we're all guilty of it...it's just how we handle it and shouts of "Racist", "bigot and moron" as well as "BNP, BNP, BNP" are all very wrong and simple-minded.
butthurt hockeyd
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2:08pm Mon 8 Jun 09
H0ckeyd wrote:LOL PWND!!!!!1111onehund
They certainly are a "slur" if they are untrue....which they are.
My point being, so you've never looked at someone and thought "jesus" they're ugly!...course you have, pre-set recognition...we're all guilty of it...it's just how we handle it and shouts of "Racist", "bigot and moron" as well as "BNP, BNP, BNP" are all very wrong and simple-minded.
redandeleven111!!
Again! Ladies and gentlemen, we have a new lolcow
H0ckeyd
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2:09pm Mon 8 Jun 09
but on the other hand, being racist is illegal and against the law...and wrong.
G3orgem
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2:10pm Mon 8 Jun 09
butthurt hockeyd wrote:LOLOLYMPICS, PWN'D, R0X0R TEH BOXOR5.
H0ckeyd wrote: They certainly are a "slur" if they are untrue....which they are. My point being, so you've never looked at someone and thought "jesus" they're ugly!...course you have, pre-set recognition...we're all guilty of it...it's just how we handle it and shouts of "Racist", "bigot and moron" as well as "BNP, BNP, BNP" are all very wrong and simple-minded.LOL PWND!!!!!1111onehund redandeleven111!! Again! Ladies and gentlemen, we have a new lolcow
butthurt hockeyd
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2:11pm Mon 8 Jun 09
H0ckeyd wrote:Please quote me the law statute under which racism is illegal. No, rly. Show me a case where someone has been prosecuted for racism. Not for a racial attack, or for a racially motivated burglary, or for inter-racial crime, but simply for the act of being racist alone
I'm just making a generalised statement that I just think this argument is "deeper" than pro or anti-racism I don't know, I just think that everyone has the capacity to vote idiots like this in and those who campaign against it....like several "crusading anti child abuse campaigners" often have something to hide.
but on the other hand, being racist is illegal and against the law...and wrong.
butthurt hockeyd
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2:12pm Mon 8 Jun 09
G3orgem wrote:H0ckeyd (more like C0ckeyd, amirite?) will be an hero Last Thursday
butthurt hockeyd wrote:LOLOLYMPICS, PWN'D, R0X0R TEH BOXOR5.
H0ckeyd wrote: They certainly are a "slur" if they are untrue....which they are. My point being, so you've never looked at someone and thought "jesus" they're ugly!...course you have, pre-set recognition...we're all guilty of it...it's just how we handle it and shouts of "Racist", "bigot and moron" as well as "BNP, BNP, BNP" are all very wrong and simple-minded.LOL PWND!!!!!1111onehund redandeleven111!! Again! Ladies and gentlemen, we have a new lolcow
G3orgem
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2:24pm Mon 8 Jun 09
H0ckeyd wrote:The only way is the BNP, you will see this or be punished.
I'm just making a generalised statement that I just think this argument is "deeper" than pro or anti-racism I don't know, I just think that everyone has the capacity to vote idiots like this in and those who campaign against it....like several "crusading anti child abuse campaigners" often have something to hide. but on the other hand, being racist is illegal and against the law...and wrong.
peasant
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2:43pm Mon 8 Jun 09
butthurt hockeyd
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2:45pm Mon 8 Jun 09
Derek of Dibden Purlieu
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2:50pm Mon 8 Jun 09
Along with the Rat Catchers dog, he can dish it out but goes in to a temper tantrum when someone questions his rather narrow argument.
butthurt hockeyd
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3:02pm Mon 8 Jun 09
bumblysaint
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3:29pm Mon 8 Jun 09
and there's not a thing anyone can do
about it,is there?.
Hard luck Charlie,
ha ha ha .
H0ckeyd
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3:55pm Mon 8 Jun 09
butthurt hockeyd
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4:02pm Mon 8 Jun 09
H0ckeyd wrote:lol wut
bunch of web warriors...oh noes wot? old butthurt there aint got no learning.
Charlie George's Lawnmower, Soton
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4:39pm Mon 8 Jun 09
Derek of Dibden Purlieu wrote:How is it a narrow argument? Hows it a tantrum when youre the racist ignorant ****? GTFO
Poor Charlie,
Along with the Rat Catchers dog, he can dish it out but goes in to a temper tantrum when someone questions his rather narrow argument.
Something to comment on
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4:39pm Mon 8 Jun 09
butthurt hockeyd
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4:45pm Mon 8 Jun 09
Something to comment on wrote:You lose! Godwins Law in full effect! Thanks for playing
My god, when will people learn that the BNP are incredibly dangerous! The sheer knowledge that Nick Griffin has the same passport as me makes me sick. I appreciate everyone has the right to an opinion, but please people, realise that in times of economic uncertainty, that is when the extreme elements (Left and right) emerge in a stronger force than previously. Please, please remember that Hitler was voted in, in times of severe econonomic hardship, way more than we have now. Over 10 million people died in what became known as the Holocaust (including the 6 million Jews, plus those who were deemed 'untermenschen') What is ironic, is that many of those who have links to the modern BNP would be considered 'anti-social' by the Nazis, and no doubt would have suffered under the T4 programme. (security word - thus shot - I rest my case)
So who's to blame? Those who want something better for them and their country, or those who engineered our current situation? Not that you can answer, having already disqualified yourself with the Godwin footbullet
H0ckeyd
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5:07pm Mon 8 Jun 09
Democracy unfortunatley is not just for the good guys.
StEmmosButttHurt
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5:10pm Mon 8 Jun 09
H0ckeyd wrote:Lol!
I would also be deemed "untermenschen" who would have been killed in the T4 program as I have a serious Neurological condition more noticeable then than now...but people will vote for who they vote for, like it or not we cannot change that.
Democracy unfortunatley is not just for the good guys.
H0ckeyd
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5:34pm Mon 8 Jun 09
StEmmosButttHurt wrote:what's so funny a nice bit of disability discrimination?...je
H0ckeyd wrote:Lol!
I would also be deemed "untermenschen" who would have been killed in the T4 program as I have a serious Neurological condition more noticeable then than now...but people will vote for who they vote for, like it or not we cannot change that.
Democracy unfortunatley is not just for the good guys.
ez your a piece of work.
StEmmosButttHurt
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5:34pm Mon 8 Jun 09
H0ckeyd wrote:Lollercoaster! PWNT!
StEmmosButttHurt wrote:what's so funny a nice bit of disability discrimination?...je
H0ckeyd wrote:Lol!
I would also be deemed "untermenschen" who would have been killed in the T4 program as I have a serious Neurological condition more noticeable then than now...but people will vote for who they vote for, like it or not we cannot change that.
Democracy unfortunatley is not just for the good guys.
ez your a piece of work.
StEmmosButttHurt
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5:38pm Mon 8 Jun 09
StEmmosButttHurt
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5:45pm Mon 8 Jun 09
StEmmosButttHurt
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5:50pm Mon 8 Jun 09
2. Remember present isn't Nazi Germany
3. ????
4. Profit!!!!111eleven1
11!
H0ckeyd
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5:51pm Mon 8 Jun 09
StEmmosButttHurt wrote:d!ckhead there is no might and tousands of children and babies with my condition (because no-one ever made it beyond that point back then) WERE murdered....and they are still dying across the world...what you just said is as bad as racism and you try to goad me?...I think you are scum.
The funniest thing about disability discrimination is, the incessant whingeing you get from the victims. It's not even a real bit of discrimination, it's conjecture about how you *might* have been treated, *if* you were living in Nazi Germany. Which you're not. So it's an epic fail on several levels. BAAAAAW!!
Vconfused
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5:52pm Mon 8 Jun 09
People are worried about the economy, but if they blame anyone it should be the banks who got us into this situation, not immigration. We need immigration to support a rapidly aging population and to fill jobs that many young people born in Britain feel are beneath them. The other parties need to make more effort to attract voters, and bring hope to the inner cities, otherwise people will vote because of fear.
StEmmosButttHurt
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6:21pm Mon 8 Jun 09
H0ckeyd wrote:What I said is "as bad as racism" is it? How? Because you said so? Sorry, reality requires a bit more than that. This would be the same "racism" that's magically become illegal all of a sudden, would it?
StEmmosButttHurt wrote:d!ckhead there is no might and tousands of children and babies with my condition (because no-one ever made it beyond that point back then) WERE murdered....and they are still dying across the world...what you just said is as bad as racism and you try to goad me?...I think you are scum.
The funniest thing about disability discrimination is, the incessant whingeing you get from the victims. It's not even a real bit of discrimination, it's conjecture about how you *might* have been treated, *if* you were living in Nazi Germany. Which you're not. So it's an epic fail on several levels. BAAAAAW!!
I might well be trying to goad you, but to be honest, I'm not having to try very hard. Name-calling befause I said something you don't like? So soon? I had you pegged a little higher than that, tbh. Oh well, I guess, since I'm not BWAAAAAAH!!-ing all over your angsty emo brainhurt syndrome, I really must be scum, eh.
Lulz all round
H0ckeyd
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6:31pm Mon 8 Jun 09
also the correct term for my condition is Hydrocephalus, founded by hyppocratis in ancient greece...not "emo brain syndrome" in a sense your term is as bad as calling someone any number of racial insults you can think of......so yes, to champion anti-racism then come out with that says a LOT.
It's okay for on, but not another eh?
johnm
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6:33pm Mon 8 Jun 09
StEmmosButttHurt
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6:39pm Mon 8 Jun 09
H0ckeyd wrote:It's as "bad as racism" in the sense of you wanting it to be, so you can act all butthurt about it and get 20 more self-pity points. Apparently me posting something on teh internets is now equated with actual, real acts of slavery, during which actual, real people were actually really damaged. You're a sicko, chum, thinking you deciding to be mildly offended by something someone says (and make no mistake, it *is* a decision) somehow makes you the same as someone who was forcibly sold into slavery. Try telling that to a descendent of slavery: "Oh, I share your ancestors' pain, because some guy in the interwebs once said something a bit mean to me". See how far you get, you whiny little ne'er-do-well. Stop feeling sorry for yourself, I know people far more ill than you that don't waste their time moaning on the internets about how they're suffering so much, more than an entire race of people who were sold into slavery, because they tried to get some sympathy from THE INTERNETS and didn't quite get the reaction they wanted BAAAAAAAAAW!
Of course it is as bad as racism, you really have no idea of the treatment of disabled people in history do you?...it's as murderous and as vile as the slave trade or any other racial incident in history and should be treated the same...it boils down to things that people cannot control, a disabled person has as much control over their disability as a person has over their skin colour and such abuse should be treated as thus.
also the correct term for my condition is Hydrocephalus, founded by hyppocratis in ancient greece...not "emo brain syndrome" in a sense your term is as bad as calling someone any number of racial insults you can think of......so yes, to champion anti-racism then come out with that says a LOT.
It's okay for on, but not another eh?
Interesting you bring up slavery though, presumably you're one of thise morons who thinks only blacks were ever slaves, and it's a race thing, and don't realise that, actually, most races on the planet have been enslaved by another at some point. Get your facts right, buster
StEmmosButttHurt
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6:48pm Mon 8 Jun 09
H0ckeyd
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7:33pm Mon 8 Jun 09
StEmmosButttHurt wrote:BUt you are trivialising the inhuman and murderous treatment dished out to people who have not for their own choice been as healthy as you...it's just as bad, killed as many people and lasted as long if not longer than the slave trade...the slave trade is just one example of a multitude of wrongs commited by the human race in history....and racism is just one of many, no trivialisation there but to highlight it as THE worst is WRONG, STUPID and IGNORANT
I know I've been goading this guy a bit, for the lulz, but is anybody else offended by his view that leg-pulling in an anonymous web forum is the same as mass genocide and the selling of an entire people? Does anybody else think he's somewhat trivialising slavery, and the suffering brought about by it?
StEmmosButttHurt
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7:38pm Mon 8 Jun 09
H0ckeyd wrote:Am I? As far as I can tell, I'm taking the p!ss out of you for taking yourself so seriously and being utterly wrapped up in self-pity. If that makes me "just as bad as mass murderers" then I suggest you re-examine your morals a little.
StEmmosButttHurt wrote:BUt you are trivialising the inhuman and murderous treatment dished out to people who have not for their own choice been as healthy as you...it's just as bad, killed as many people and lasted as long if not longer than the slave trade...the slave trade is just one example of a multitude of wrongs commited by the human race in history....and racism is just one of many, no trivialisation there but to highlight it as THE worst is WRONG, STUPID and IGNORANT
I know I've been goading this guy a bit, for the lulz, but is anybody else offended by his view that leg-pulling in an anonymous web forum is the same as mass genocide and the selling of an entire people? Does anybody else think he's somewhat trivialising slavery, and the suffering brought about by it?
Also, you're still yet to explain how racism is illegal
H0ckeyd
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7:52pm Mon 8 Jun 09
StEmmosButttHurt wrote:complete and utter bell end.
H0ckeyd wrote:Am I? As far as I can tell, I'm taking the p!ss out of you for taking yourself so seriously and being utterly wrapped up in self-pity. If that makes me "just as bad as mass murderers" then I suggest you re-examine your morals a little.
StEmmosButttHurt wrote:BUt you are trivialising the inhuman and murderous treatment dished out to people who have not for their own choice been as healthy as you...it's just as bad, killed as many people and lasted as long if not longer than the slave trade...the slave trade is just one example of a multitude of wrongs commited by the human race in history....and racism is just one of many, no trivialisation there but to highlight it as THE worst is WRONG, STUPID and IGNORANT
I know I've been goading this guy a bit, for the lulz, but is anybody else offended by his view that leg-pulling in an anonymous web forum is the same as mass genocide and the selling of an entire people? Does anybody else think he's somewhat trivialising slavery, and the suffering brought about by it?
Also, you're still yet to explain how racism is illegal
so are all the people called racial abuse "wrapped up in self-pity" too...those mass-murderers took great pleasure in killing, gays, and disabled people as well as Jewish people as well....so you think it's fun to take the p!ss out of someone online then...classy
StEmmosButttHurt
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7:59pm Mon 8 Jun 09
H0ckeyd wrote:Err, no. I am not stereotyping any demographic whatsoever, I am talking very specifically about *you*. It's not my fault you can't make the distinction. *You* are wrapped up in self-pity. Not "everyone who has your unfortunate illness", just you.
StEmmosButttHurt wrote:complete and utter bell end.
H0ckeyd wrote:Am I? As far as I can tell, I'm taking the p!ss out of you for taking yourself so seriously and being utterly wrapped up in self-pity. If that makes me "just as bad as mass murderers" then I suggest you re-examine your morals a little.
StEmmosButttHurt wrote:BUt you are trivialising the inhuman and murderous treatment dished out to people who have not for their own choice been as healthy as you...it's just as bad, killed as many people and lasted as long if not longer than the slave trade...the slave trade is just one example of a multitude of wrongs commited by the human race in history....and racism is just one of many, no trivialisation there but to highlight it as THE worst is WRONG, STUPID and IGNORANT
I know I've been goading this guy a bit, for the lulz, but is anybody else offended by his view that leg-pulling in an anonymous web forum is the same as mass genocide and the selling of an entire people? Does anybody else think he's somewhat trivialising slavery, and the suffering brought about by it?
Also, you're still yet to explain how racism is illegal
so are all the people called racial abuse "wrapped up in self-pity" too...those mass-murderers took great pleasure in killing, gays, and disabled people as well as Jewish people as well....so you think it's fun to take the p!ss out of someone online then...classy
And, yes, I *do* think it's fun to take the p!ss out of someone online. Especially when they react as lulzily as you
Bartonian
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5:52pm Tue 9 Jun 09
H0ckeyd says...
6:53am Mon 8 Jun 09
ed work rights for EU nationals being one of them...they just don't get it do they?...completely out of touch and look what happens, you open the flood doors for the facists