New norovirus outbreak on Azura after 417 cases reported on board Oriana

Second P&O ship in norovirus alert

Passenger ship Azura in Southampton water.

A passenger meeting on board Oriana.

First published in Shipping Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author Exclusive by , Senior reporter

It is a picture that paints a thousand angry words.

Scores of furious cruise passengers stand together in a mutiny against the captain of a Southampton-based cruise ship.

Angry and ill holidaymakers crammed into corridors and lined stairways on board the P&O ship Oriana to vent their disgust, after norovirus swept through the luxury liner.

And it was revealed last night that passengers on board another P&O liner, Azura, had also reported symptoms of the virus.

It is understood that around 10 cases were reported on board the ship, which docked in Southampton at 6am this morning.  

As previously reported, attractions and restaurants were closed and entertainment cancelled on board Oriana, after 417 of the 1,800 people on board contracted the highly-contagious sickness and diarrhoea bug.

It left scores of passengers facing daunting medical bills of up £3,500, while many were confined to their cabins, unable to see some of the Baltic cities on the cruise including Amsterdam, Copenhagen and Oslo.

It even led some holidaymakers to compare the experience to being in prison.

But yesterday - just hours after the final passengers disembarked the stricken ship - P&O bosses said it had been deep cleaned and given the all clear by Southampton's Port Health Authority to allow hundreds of new passengers on board, ahead of a 23-night Mediterranean cruise.

Bosses at P&O Cruises, which is owned by parent company Carnival, yesterday issued a grovelling apology to passengers and pledged to refund all medical expenses they incurred while on board.

But many upset passengers say it is not enough and have vowed to lodge bids for further compensation, after claiming their holiday was “ruined”.

One passenger, Dave Stringer, 57, a retired station officer for the West Midlands Fire Service, was confined to his cabin for two days after being struck down by the virus. He organised a number of mass meetings between passengers during the 10-day cruise, before eventually being invited to speak to Captain Robert Camby on Thursday.

Mr Stringer said: “He told me his job was on the bridge and that he didn't have time to speak to passengers. I said: 'that's very well, but there are people here with questions they want answering.

“He was unhappy that we had been holding meetings in communal areas. Other staff overheard what was said and there were shouts of 'we want the captain.'

“He must have seen that as a threat and because it was his first time as captain, I think he got a little scared. He said to me: 'please don't storm the bridge.'

Mr Stringer added that it was “a totally miserable cruise from start to finish” and claimed that he waited more than four hours for room service when he was confined to his cabin.

Mary Ellcone, 66, from Portsmouth, who was travelling with her partner, John Cross, 74, described it as “the holiday from hell”.

She added: “They left us letters when we got on board explaining about norovirus and that procedures were in place. The fact that they knew it was on board before we got on and still let the ship sail is terrible.

“The one trip we wanted to go on more than any other was to Copenhagen to see the Christmas market and we had to cancel that.”

Pete Baker, 67, from Grantham, in Lincolnshire, told how he thought his wife Carol was having a heart attack when she was struck down by the virus.

Mr Baker said: “We set sail on the Tuesday and on the Thursday we went to the theatre and three-quarters of the way through the performance my wife collapsed in the chair.

“I thought she was having a heart attack or a stroke. It was terrifying. The next thing I know she started vomiting.”

Mrs Baker was taken to the medical unit on board the ship, before returning to her cabin with her husband.

But she said their room was not thoroughly sanitised by P&O staff - and compared the room service to life in prison.

Mrs Baker said: “You would wait for hours to get something to eat and when it eventually came it was awful. I've never been to prison but I'm sure they get better meals there.

“You were made to feel like you were an inconvenience to them. They couldn't cope with it.”

Sandra Pearce, 56, whose husband Dennis contracted the virus, said: “We could hear people vomiting in other cabins next door and above. All you could hear was people crying and screaming.”

Mavis Miell, 71, and her husband Robert, 71, from Shirley, have been on 14 previous cruises with P&O, six of which were on board Oriana - but are now reluctant to travel with the firm again.

Mrs Miell said: “The room staff worked their socks off, but we have seen very little of the official crew or the captain.

“We heard him a few times on the tannoy and he said the embarking passengers brought the virus on board, which put a lot of people's backs up.”

Another Southampton couple, Vanessa Herrington, 30, and Chris Meadows, 28, said they would be appealing for compensation after forking out £599 each for the cruise.

Vanessa revealed that she was charged £35 just for a doctor to come and visit her in her cabin.

And she revealed how another passenger, who passed out in a public toilet on board, had been left with a medical bill of £3,500 for his treatment.

Vanessa said: “Stewards would come in dressed in plastic aprons, gloves, masks, but they would only wipe over the fronts of wardrobes and clean the bathroom. It was so lax.

“They wouldn't clean things you touch with your fingers like light switches and telephones - that's not going to help the situation.”

  • Oriana last night departed the city at 8pm for the three week cruise that will return in the first week of January.

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9:08am Sat 15 Dec 12

hulla baloo says...

''It is a picture that paints a thousand angry words''
More like a picture that says kerching, we want free cruise.
''It is a picture that paints a thousand angry words'' More like a picture that says kerching, we want free cruise. hulla baloo
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9:16am Sat 15 Dec 12

hulla baloo says...

''It is a picture that paints a thousand angry words''
More like a picture that says kerching, we want free cruise.
''It is a picture that paints a thousand angry words'' More like a picture that says kerching, we want free cruise. hulla baloo
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9:23am Sat 15 Dec 12

soton mess says...

I used to work for P&O and worked on over a 100 cruises and there was outbreaks of Noro Virus when I was working on Oceana, Arcadia & Ventura. I never got affected. The reason why passengers are more affected than the crew is we follow all instructions regarding hygiene, like using the hand gel that is all over the ship. I've seen plenty of passengers not take notice of advice. Plus it would of been an individual that was not fit to travel that brought the virus onboard. Passengers are meant to be honest when filling out the health questionnaire before embarking. Obviously one dishonest passenger has caused this. P&O can only react when an outbreak does happen. I'm not saying P&O are perfect, thats a different discussion.
I used to work for P&O and worked on over a 100 cruises and there was outbreaks of Noro Virus when I was working on Oceana, Arcadia & Ventura. I never got affected. The reason why passengers are more affected than the crew is we follow all instructions regarding hygiene, like using the hand gel that is all over the ship. I've seen plenty of passengers not take notice of advice. Plus it would of been an individual that was not fit to travel that brought the virus onboard. Passengers are meant to be honest when filling out the health questionnaire before embarking. Obviously one dishonest passenger has caused this. P&O can only react when an outbreak does happen. I'm not saying P&O are perfect, thats a different discussion. soton mess
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9:33am Sat 15 Dec 12

mrblunt says...

Where were the other 1,500 passengers that were not at the 'meeting'.
Perhaps they were elsewhere on the ship enjoying themselves and keeping well away from these people in case they caught the compensation bug.
Where were the other 1,500 passengers that were not at the 'meeting'. Perhaps they were elsewhere on the ship enjoying themselves and keeping well away from these people in case they caught the compensation bug. mrblunt
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9:52am Sat 15 Dec 12

Doctor GP says...

soton mess wrote:
I used to work for P&O and worked on over a 100 cruises and there was outbreaks of Noro Virus when I was working on Oceana, Arcadia & Ventura. I never got affected. The reason why passengers are more affected than the crew is we follow all instructions regarding hygiene, like using the hand gel that is all over the ship. I've seen plenty of passengers not take notice of advice. Plus it would of been an individual that was not fit to travel that brought the virus onboard. Passengers are meant to be honest when filling out the health questionnaire before embarking. Obviously one dishonest passenger has caused this. P&O can only react when an outbreak does happen. I'm not saying P&O are perfect, thats a different discussion.
I also work at sea and totally agree with you.

I had this bug at home and certainly didn't have the energy to attend meetings, storm the bridge or run around the passageways complaining to all and sundry. In fact all of the above would have spread the bug further!
[quote][p][bold]soton mess[/bold] wrote: I used to work for P&O and worked on over a 100 cruises and there was outbreaks of Noro Virus when I was working on Oceana, Arcadia & Ventura. I never got affected. The reason why passengers are more affected than the crew is we follow all instructions regarding hygiene, like using the hand gel that is all over the ship. I've seen plenty of passengers not take notice of advice. Plus it would of been an individual that was not fit to travel that brought the virus onboard. Passengers are meant to be honest when filling out the health questionnaire before embarking. Obviously one dishonest passenger has caused this. P&O can only react when an outbreak does happen. I'm not saying P&O are perfect, thats a different discussion.[/p][/quote]I also work at sea and totally agree with you. I had this bug at home and certainly didn't have the energy to attend meetings, storm the bridge or run around the passageways complaining to all and sundry. In fact all of the above would have spread the bug further! Doctor GP
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10:06am Sat 15 Dec 12

SOLENTDRIFTER says...

FLOATING COUNCIL HOUSING ESTATES - 'BUGS 'R' US'....
FLOATING COUNCIL HOUSING ESTATES - 'BUGS 'R' US'.... SOLENTDRIFTER
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10:07am Sat 15 Dec 12

Cyber__Fug says...

How can these numpty passengers blame P&O for a nationwide epidemic ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/health-2073737
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How can these numpty passengers blame P&O for a nationwide epidemic ? http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/health-2073737 8 Cyber__Fug
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10:07am Sat 15 Dec 12

The Wickham Man says...

It's pretty clear that there is a lot of support for P&O and not a lot for passengers who seem intent on trying to get a second free cruise.
It would be better if the Echo's reporting reflected this and stopped pandering to the complainers.
It's pretty clear that there is a lot of support for P&O and not a lot for passengers who seem intent on trying to get a second free cruise. It would be better if the Echo's reporting reflected this and stopped pandering to the complainers. The Wickham Man
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10:10am Sat 15 Dec 12

Norwegian Saint says...

The Hurtigruten working/cruise ships up and down the coast of Norway are fantastic, great food, nice boats (slightly bigger than Isle of Wight ferry), not too busy and the views are just breathtaking. Whole trip starts and finishes in Bergan taking 12 nights but you can get on or off at the little ports. I just did 3 nights from Tromso to Trondheim through the Lofoten islands... Just stunning. So you can just pick whichever journey you want, even get off and get the next boat, they are so helpful.
(Only down side are the prices in Norway, it's not cheap)
The Hurtigruten working/cruise ships up and down the coast of Norway are fantastic, great food, nice boats (slightly bigger than Isle of Wight ferry), not too busy and the views are just breathtaking. Whole trip starts and finishes in Bergan taking 12 nights but you can get on or off at the little ports. I just did 3 nights from Tromso to Trondheim through the Lofoten islands... Just stunning. So you can just pick whichever journey you want, even get off and get the next boat, they are so helpful. (Only down side are the prices in Norway, it's not cheap) Norwegian Saint
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10:22am Sat 15 Dec 12

Abbey Saint says...

As usual, the Echo is missing the real story, as others have pointed out. The Echo is also quite happy to stir up all sorts of nonsense regarding OUR LOCAL football team, but when it comes to a bunch of unhygienic chancers on a cruise boat, the Echo gives them all the free publicity they could hope for. SOUTHAMPTON's economy depends to a large extent on the cruise industry. The Echo seems often to take great delight in taking inaccurate pot shots at their own city - and for what? A few thousand more circulation from lurid headlines.
As usual, the Echo is missing the real story, as others have pointed out. The Echo is also quite happy to stir up all sorts of nonsense regarding OUR LOCAL football team, but when it comes to a bunch of unhygienic chancers on a cruise boat, the Echo gives them all the free publicity they could hope for. SOUTHAMPTON's economy depends to a large extent on the cruise industry. The Echo seems often to take great delight in taking inaccurate pot shots at their own city - and for what? A few thousand more circulation from lurid headlines. Abbey Saint
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10:54am Sat 15 Dec 12

10 Minute Man says...

Yeah I know, its almost as if they're trying to sell newspapers. Disgusting.
Yeah I know, its almost as if they're trying to sell newspapers. Disgusting. 10 Minute Man
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11:18am Sat 15 Dec 12

Mary80 says...

So they let the infected leave the ship? What kind of idiot lets that happen?
So they let the infected leave the ship? What kind of idiot lets that happen? Mary80
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11:22am Sat 15 Dec 12

Abbey Saint says...

Why can't the Echo be at least accurate - there was no "mutiny"(risible reporting) no specifics re "medical bills up to £3500" (based on what? Just the hearsay of another passenger) no "grovelling apology" (read ALL that was said) and included totally fatuous comments - "I've never been to prison but I'm sure they get better meals there".
The Echo are chasing sales using sensationalist headlines backed by shoddy reporting unworthy of true journalism. Mind you, we get the press we deserve, so it doesn't say much about the average reader either, does it?
Why can't the Echo be at least accurate - there was no "mutiny"(risible reporting) no specifics re "medical bills up to £3500" (based on what? Just the hearsay of another passenger) no "grovelling apology" (read ALL that was said) and included totally fatuous comments - "I've never been to prison but I'm sure they get better meals there". The Echo are chasing sales using sensationalist headlines backed by shoddy reporting unworthy of true journalism. Mind you, we get the press we deserve, so it doesn't say much about the average reader either, does it? Abbey Saint
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12:13pm Sat 15 Dec 12

loosehead says...

I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not? loosehead
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12:24pm Sat 15 Dec 12

News Fanatic says...

Only a fool goes on a cruise or any holiday without insurance to cover them should they become ill while away. Therefore even had P&O not said it would waive medical bills for those on Oriana hit by Norovirus, the most passengers would have had to pay was the excess on their insurance policy, which was proably £100 or less. Hardly a daunting amount.
Only a fool goes on a cruise or any holiday without insurance to cover them should they become ill while away. Therefore even had P&O not said it would waive medical bills for those on Oriana hit by Norovirus, the most passengers would have had to pay was the excess on their insurance policy, which was proably £100 or less. Hardly a daunting amount. News Fanatic
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1:07pm Sat 15 Dec 12

richieroo says...

Being trapped onboard a glorified ferry with a load of dirty people too lazy to wash their hands...
Not my idea of a good holiday lol!.
Being trapped onboard a glorified ferry with a load of dirty people too lazy to wash their hands... Not my idea of a good holiday lol!. richieroo
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1:09pm Sat 15 Dec 12

andysaints007 says...

loosehead wrote:
I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Its only been around since the 70's and probably wasn't 'global' back then!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Its only been around since the 70's and probably wasn't 'global' back then! andysaints007
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1:20pm Sat 15 Dec 12

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist. thinklikealocal
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1:25pm Sat 15 Dec 12

peenut81 says...

Luke Tugby did you send a copy of this excellent piece of trash writing to the Murdoch press? I'm sure they would snap you up when they realise how bias and shoddy your writing is...
As an ex cruise ship worker and regular holiday maker on cruises, i got no sympathy for this bunch of idiots, wash your hands, don't over indulge and don't organise public meetings demanding the captain, (you want the hospitality director). I Notice the majority of whingers are the baby boomer generation, the most pampered and spoilt generation in the entire human experience and yet so many seem to have a massive sense of entitlement.
Luke Tugby did you send a copy of this excellent piece of trash writing to the Murdoch press? I'm sure they would snap you up when they realise how bias and shoddy your writing is... As an ex cruise ship worker and regular holiday maker on cruises, i got no sympathy for this bunch of idiots, wash your hands, don't over indulge and don't organise public meetings demanding the captain, (you want the hospitality director). I Notice the majority of whingers are the baby boomer generation, the most pampered and spoilt generation in the entire human experience and yet so many seem to have a massive sense of entitlement. peenut81
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1:44pm Sat 15 Dec 12

espanuel says...

Loosehead, P.O have been employing Goenese crew for many years as somebody has said this has only been happening in the last 30years. Why I dont know. I was crew on many a cruise in the sixties and we never had this trouble then. (To many people in a confined space one get sick and the rest follow?)
Loosehead, P.O have been employing Goenese crew for many years as somebody has said this has only been happening in the last 30years. Why I dont know. I was crew on many a cruise in the sixties and we never had this trouble then. (To many people in a confined space one get sick and the rest follow?) espanuel
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1:48pm Sat 15 Dec 12

Teucer2000 says...

Can you imagine being stuck on a dinner table with 'retired' Mr Stringer. I'd definitely be asking for compensation if that happened!
Can you imagine being stuck on a dinner table with 'retired' Mr Stringer. I'd definitely be asking for compensation if that happened! Teucer2000
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3:06pm Sat 15 Dec 12

Dr Alimantado says...

Blimey, going on the Oceana on Thursday...alcohol wipes at the ready
Blimey, going on the Oceana on Thursday...alcohol wipes at the ready Dr Alimantado
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3:33pm Sat 15 Dec 12

gristle says...

How come the IOW ferry, cross channel ferries, North sea ferries etc. seem to be free of disease.
How come the IOW ferry, cross channel ferries, North sea ferries etc. seem to be free of disease. gristle
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3:47pm Sat 15 Dec 12

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
What the hells that?
My wife's Thai & you dare call me racist?
Let me give you a history lesson! John Prescott was head of the seamans Union he was given a free holiday by a cruise company at the same time he/the union signed over thousands of British jobs the Dockies hanged him from his ankles over the edge of the dock in Southampton.
He sold average paid jobs for a holiday & went on to become deputy leader of the Labour Party.
These workers they have on board now knew they were replacing British jobs & were happy enough to work for the pay they're now on one reason I don't agree with the RMT union.
I'm quite annoyed you could even come out with that statement I feel you owe me a huge apology or else be ready for every insult I can throw at a "LADY"?
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]What the hells that? My wife's Thai & you dare call me racist? Let me give you a history lesson! John Prescott was head of the seamans Union he was given a free holiday by a cruise company at the same time he/the union signed over thousands of British jobs the Dockies hanged him from his ankles over the edge of the dock in Southampton. He sold average paid jobs for a holiday & went on to become deputy leader of the Labour Party. These workers they have on board now knew they were replacing British jobs & were happy enough to work for the pay they're now on one reason I don't agree with the RMT union. I'm quite annoyed you could even come out with that statement I feel you owe me a huge apology or else be ready for every insult I can throw at a "LADY"? loosehead
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3:51pm Sat 15 Dec 12

loosehead says...

espanuel wrote:
Loosehead, P.O have been employing Goenese crew for many years as somebody has said this has only been happening in the last 30years. Why I dont know. I was crew on many a cruise in the sixties and we never had this trouble then. (To many people in a confined space one get sick and the rest follow?)
My friend is a captain aboard a ship he too is married to a Thai Lady yet he says the hygiene has dropped since they lost British Seamen.
you get what you pay for & with the British Seamen/Women you got a crew that loved the live & didn't just see it as a way to earn a dollar or two so I guess like you they were proud of their ship & the job they did
[quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: Loosehead, P.O have been employing Goenese crew for many years as somebody has said this has only been happening in the last 30years. Why I dont know. I was crew on many a cruise in the sixties and we never had this trouble then. (To many people in a confined space one get sick and the rest follow?)[/p][/quote]My friend is a captain aboard a ship he too is married to a Thai Lady yet he says the hygiene has dropped since they lost British Seamen. you get what you pay for & with the British Seamen/Women you got a crew that loved the live & didn't just see it as a way to earn a dollar or two so I guess like you they were proud of their ship & the job they did loosehead
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4:02pm Sat 15 Dec 12

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
What the hells that? My wife's Thai & you dare call me racist? Let me give you a history lesson! John Prescott was head of the seamans Union he was given a free holiday by a cruise company at the same time he/the union signed over thousands of British jobs the Dockies hanged him from his ankles over the edge of the dock in Southampton. He sold average paid jobs for a holiday & went on to become deputy leader of the Labour Party. These workers they have on board now knew they were replacing British jobs & were happy enough to work for the pay they're now on one reason I don't agree with the RMT union. I'm quite annoyed you could even come out with that statement I feel you owe me a huge apology or else be ready for every insult I can throw at a "LADY"?
Your comment was racist.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]What the hells that? My wife's Thai & you dare call me racist? Let me give you a history lesson! John Prescott was head of the seamans Union he was given a free holiday by a cruise company at the same time he/the union signed over thousands of British jobs the Dockies hanged him from his ankles over the edge of the dock in Southampton. He sold average paid jobs for a holiday & went on to become deputy leader of the Labour Party. These workers they have on board now knew they were replacing British jobs & were happy enough to work for the pay they're now on one reason I don't agree with the RMT union. I'm quite annoyed you could even come out with that statement I feel you owe me a huge apology or else be ready for every insult I can throw at a "LADY"?[/p][/quote]Your comment was racist. thinklikealocal
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4:06pm Sat 15 Dec 12

thinklikealocal says...

peenut81 wrote:
Luke Tugby did you send a copy of this excellent piece of trash writing to the Murdoch press? I'm sure they would snap you up when they realise how bias and shoddy your writing is... As an ex cruise ship worker and regular holiday maker on cruises, i got no sympathy for this bunch of idiots, wash your hands, don't over indulge and don't organise public meetings demanding the captain, (you want the hospitality director). I Notice the majority of whingers are the baby boomer generation, the most pampered and spoilt generation in the entire human experience and yet so many seem to have a massive sense of entitlement.
Here here.
[quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Luke Tugby did you send a copy of this excellent piece of trash writing to the Murdoch press? I'm sure they would snap you up when they realise how bias and shoddy your writing is... As an ex cruise ship worker and regular holiday maker on cruises, i got no sympathy for this bunch of idiots, wash your hands, don't over indulge and don't organise public meetings demanding the captain, (you want the hospitality director). I Notice the majority of whingers are the baby boomer generation, the most pampered and spoilt generation in the entire human experience and yet so many seem to have a massive sense of entitlement.[/p][/quote]Here here. thinklikealocal
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4:15pm Sat 15 Dec 12

Linesman says...

hulla baloo wrote:
''It is a picture that paints a thousand angry words''
More like a picture that says kerching, we want free cruise.
And if it was you that was spewing your ring up and 'cacking your breeks', my betting is that you would be one of the first ones to be loudly yelling that you wanted another cruise for free.

This is the Second P&O cruise ship hit by the bug.

Is that just coincidence, or has P&O got a problem, because I have not read any reports of any other lines suffering the same problems.
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: ''It is a picture that paints a thousand angry words'' More like a picture that says kerching, we want free cruise.[/p][/quote]And if it was you that was spewing your ring up and 'cacking your breeks', my betting is that you would be one of the first ones to be loudly yelling that you wanted another cruise for free. This is the Second P&O cruise ship hit by the bug. Is that just coincidence, or has P&O got a problem, because I have not read any reports of any other lines suffering the same problems. Linesman
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4:17pm Sat 15 Dec 12

Linesman says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare. Linesman
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4:30pm Sat 15 Dec 12

thinklikealocal says...

Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.
Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.[/p][/quote]Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less. thinklikealocal
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4:50pm Sat 15 Dec 12

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
What the hells that? My wife's Thai & you dare call me racist? Let me give you a history lesson! John Prescott was head of the seamans Union he was given a free holiday by a cruise company at the same time he/the union signed over thousands of British jobs the Dockies hanged him from his ankles over the edge of the dock in Southampton. He sold average paid jobs for a holiday & went on to become deputy leader of the Labour Party. These workers they have on board now knew they were replacing British jobs & were happy enough to work for the pay they're now on one reason I don't agree with the RMT union. I'm quite annoyed you could even come out with that statement I feel you owe me a huge apology or else be ready for every insult I can throw at a "LADY"?
Your comment was racist.
Exactly how was it racist?
These people took on work at considerably lower pay than the ones doing it.
In other words they undercut the people doing a B+oody Good job.
if you take people on from abroad YES they'll do as you ask but is their hearts in it?
It was a way of life for many British crew & as My DAD my Two brothers were both on the ships I know they took great pride in their jobs until they were sold out by Prescott
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]What the hells that? My wife's Thai & you dare call me racist? Let me give you a history lesson! John Prescott was head of the seamans Union he was given a free holiday by a cruise company at the same time he/the union signed over thousands of British jobs the Dockies hanged him from his ankles over the edge of the dock in Southampton. He sold average paid jobs for a holiday & went on to become deputy leader of the Labour Party. These workers they have on board now knew they were replacing British jobs & were happy enough to work for the pay they're now on one reason I don't agree with the RMT union. I'm quite annoyed you could even come out with that statement I feel you owe me a huge apology or else be ready for every insult I can throw at a "LADY"?[/p][/quote]Your comment was racist.[/p][/quote]Exactly how was it racist? These people took on work at considerably lower pay than the ones doing it. In other words they undercut the people doing a B+oody Good job. if you take people on from abroad YES they'll do as you ask but is their hearts in it? It was a way of life for many British crew & as My DAD my Two brothers were both on the ships I know they took great pride in their jobs until they were sold out by Prescott loosehead
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4:53pm Sat 15 Dec 12

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.
Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.
Do you think the cruise line were racist?
They did away with British workers for cheap foreign labour so doesn't that mean they gave the jobs according to race?
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.[/p][/quote]Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.[/p][/quote]Do you think the cruise line were racist? They did away with British workers for cheap foreign labour so doesn't that mean they gave the jobs according to race? loosehead
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4:55pm Sat 15 Dec 12

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
What the hells that? My wife's Thai & you dare call me racist? Let me give you a history lesson! John Prescott was head of the seamans Union he was given a free holiday by a cruise company at the same time he/the union signed over thousands of British jobs the Dockies hanged him from his ankles over the edge of the dock in Southampton. He sold average paid jobs for a holiday & went on to become deputy leader of the Labour Party. These workers they have on board now knew they were replacing British jobs & were happy enough to work for the pay they're now on one reason I don't agree with the RMT union. I'm quite annoyed you could even come out with that statement I feel you owe me a huge apology or else be ready for every insult I can throw at a "LADY"?
Instead of 'ranting' and somehow trying to link the outbreak of Novovirus on Oriana with something John Prescott did god knows how long ago, why don't you read what you wrote and have a think about it. Some people think all Thai women are prostitutes but I would be the first to disagree with them because to group people together by their race and nationality and categorise them as this and that is ridiculous and racist. I'm sure you would agree! if you wife is of another Nationality I'm surprised you are not more careful about slagging people off because of their race/nationality, and don't say you weren't cos you were! Have a think about it!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]What the hells that? My wife's Thai & you dare call me racist? Let me give you a history lesson! John Prescott was head of the seamans Union he was given a free holiday by a cruise company at the same time he/the union signed over thousands of British jobs the Dockies hanged him from his ankles over the edge of the dock in Southampton. He sold average paid jobs for a holiday & went on to become deputy leader of the Labour Party. These workers they have on board now knew they were replacing British jobs & were happy enough to work for the pay they're now on one reason I don't agree with the RMT union. I'm quite annoyed you could even come out with that statement I feel you owe me a huge apology or else be ready for every insult I can throw at a "LADY"?[/p][/quote]Instead of 'ranting' and somehow trying to link the outbreak of Novovirus on Oriana with something John Prescott did god knows how long ago, why don't you read what you wrote and have a think about it. Some people think all Thai women are prostitutes but I would be the first to disagree with them because to group people together by their race and nationality and categorise them as this and that is ridiculous and racist. I'm sure you would agree! if you wife is of another Nationality I'm surprised you are not more careful about slagging people off because of their race/nationality, and don't say you weren't cos you were! Have a think about it! thinklikealocal
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4:55pm Sat 15 Dec 12

Sotonianman says...

One person brought it onboard, some people got it and more people jump on the bandwagon and according to the video they want a refund.

Compensation culture is what this is really all about.
One person brought it onboard, some people got it and more people jump on the bandwagon and according to the video they want a refund. Compensation culture is what this is really all about. Sotonianman
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5:05pm Sat 15 Dec 12

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.
Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.
Do you think the cruise line were racist? They did away with British workers for cheap foreign labour so doesn't that mean they gave the jobs according to race?
What they did was in their best commercial, financial and operating interests. Would any british workers have applied? If they did and never got hired and all else was equal then yes P and O would be guilty of racism I'm afraid yours is rather a facile argument. I am sure you are not a racist in the sense of the BNP but you were making a racist comment.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.[/p][/quote]Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.[/p][/quote]Do you think the cruise line were racist? They did away with British workers for cheap foreign labour so doesn't that mean they gave the jobs according to race?[/p][/quote]What they did was in their best commercial, financial and operating interests. Would any british workers have applied? If they did and never got hired and all else was equal then yes P and O would be guilty of racism I'm afraid yours is rather a facile argument. I am sure you are not a racist in the sense of the BNP but you were making a racist comment. thinklikealocal
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5:07pm Sat 15 Dec 12

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
What the hells that? My wife's Thai & you dare call me racist? Let me give you a history lesson! John Prescott was head of the seamans Union he was given a free holiday by a cruise company at the same time he/the union signed over thousands of British jobs the Dockies hanged him from his ankles over the edge of the dock in Southampton. He sold average paid jobs for a holiday & went on to become deputy leader of the Labour Party. These workers they have on board now knew they were replacing British jobs & were happy enough to work for the pay they're now on one reason I don't agree with the RMT union. I'm quite annoyed you could even come out with that statement I feel you owe me a huge apology or else be ready for every insult I can throw at a "LADY"?
Instead of 'ranting' and somehow trying to link the outbreak of Novovirus on Oriana with something John Prescott did god knows how long ago, why don't you read what you wrote and have a think about it. Some people think all Thai women are prostitutes but I would be the first to disagree with them because to group people together by their race and nationality and categorise them as this and that is ridiculous and racist. I'm sure you would agree! if you wife is of another Nationality I'm surprised you are not more careful about slagging people off because of their race/nationality, and don't say you weren't cos you were! Have a think about it!
Please call her that but at the same time publish your name so I can sue you!
As I've tried to tell you ( talking to a brick wall) this never happened back when we had British crews ,now if it was because there was no such disease answer me this.Why is it they bought on cleaners & did a thorough clean & then sailed that night?
Why wasn't the ship cleaned properly & a high hygiene standard maintained art sea? as this did happen ( high standard) before the British seamen were removed by the Racist Cruise companies
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]What the hells that? My wife's Thai & you dare call me racist? Let me give you a history lesson! John Prescott was head of the seamans Union he was given a free holiday by a cruise company at the same time he/the union signed over thousands of British jobs the Dockies hanged him from his ankles over the edge of the dock in Southampton. He sold average paid jobs for a holiday & went on to become deputy leader of the Labour Party. These workers they have on board now knew they were replacing British jobs & were happy enough to work for the pay they're now on one reason I don't agree with the RMT union. I'm quite annoyed you could even come out with that statement I feel you owe me a huge apology or else be ready for every insult I can throw at a "LADY"?[/p][/quote]Instead of 'ranting' and somehow trying to link the outbreak of Novovirus on Oriana with something John Prescott did god knows how long ago, why don't you read what you wrote and have a think about it. Some people think all Thai women are prostitutes but I would be the first to disagree with them because to group people together by their race and nationality and categorise them as this and that is ridiculous and racist. I'm sure you would agree! if you wife is of another Nationality I'm surprised you are not more careful about slagging people off because of their race/nationality, and don't say you weren't cos you were! Have a think about it![/p][/quote]Please call her that but at the same time publish your name so I can sue you! As I've tried to tell you ( talking to a brick wall) this never happened back when we had British crews ,now if it was because there was no such disease answer me this.Why is it they bought on cleaners & did a thorough clean & then sailed that night? Why wasn't the ship cleaned properly & a high hygiene standard maintained art sea? as this did happen ( high standard) before the British seamen were removed by the Racist Cruise companies loosehead
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5:08pm Sat 15 Dec 12

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.
Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.
Do you think the cruise line were racist? They did away with British workers for cheap foreign labour so doesn't that mean they gave the jobs according to race?
No.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.[/p][/quote]Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.[/p][/quote]Do you think the cruise line were racist? They did away with British workers for cheap foreign labour so doesn't that mean they gave the jobs according to race?[/p][/quote]No. thinklikealocal
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5:17pm Sat 15 Dec 12

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
What the hells that? My wife's Thai & you dare call me racist? Let me give you a history lesson! John Prescott was head of the seamans Union he was given a free holiday by a cruise company at the same time he/the union signed over thousands of British jobs the Dockies hanged him from his ankles over the edge of the dock in Southampton. He sold average paid jobs for a holiday & went on to become deputy leader of the Labour Party. These workers they have on board now knew they were replacing British jobs & were happy enough to work for the pay they're now on one reason I don't agree with the RMT union. I'm quite annoyed you could even come out with that statement I feel you owe me a huge apology or else be ready for every insult I can throw at a "LADY"?
Instead of 'ranting' and somehow trying to link the outbreak of Novovirus on Oriana with something John Prescott did god knows how long ago, why don't you read what you wrote and have a think about it. Some people think all Thai women are prostitutes but I would be the first to disagree with them because to group people together by their race and nationality and categorise them as this and that is ridiculous and racist. I'm sure you would agree! if you wife is of another Nationality I'm surprised you are not more careful about slagging people off because of their race/nationality, and don't say you weren't cos you were! Have a think about it!
Please call her that but at the same time publish your name so I can sue you! As I've tried to tell you ( talking to a brick wall) this never happened back when we had British crews ,now if it was because there was no such disease answer me this.Why is it they bought on cleaners & did a thorough clean & then sailed that night? Why wasn't the ship cleaned properly & a high hygiene standard maintained art sea? as this did happen ( high standard) before the British seamen were removed by the Racist Cruise companies
Yet again rant before read properly. I was stating that I defend people like your wife who are so often the unfair victims of casual and implied racism. You demand tell me this, answer that. Who do you think you are? I don't answer to you. A couple of clues as to why this is a bigger problem than it used to be. 1. Even if it happened 40 years ago you would't have had mr mrs hard done by from awfulville splattered all over the front page of the media (they had proper journalists and stories then - the media a true example of declining standards must be all those foreign journalists). 2. 20 x more people go on cruises...... 3. The world is a different place, well for those of us who don't live in the past unlike you!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]What the hells that? My wife's Thai & you dare call me racist? Let me give you a history lesson! John Prescott was head of the seamans Union he was given a free holiday by a cruise company at the same time he/the union signed over thousands of British jobs the Dockies hanged him from his ankles over the edge of the dock in Southampton. He sold average paid jobs for a holiday & went on to become deputy leader of the Labour Party. These workers they have on board now knew they were replacing British jobs & were happy enough to work for the pay they're now on one reason I don't agree with the RMT union. I'm quite annoyed you could even come out with that statement I feel you owe me a huge apology or else be ready for every insult I can throw at a "LADY"?[/p][/quote]Instead of 'ranting' and somehow trying to link the outbreak of Novovirus on Oriana with something John Prescott did god knows how long ago, why don't you read what you wrote and have a think about it. Some people think all Thai women are prostitutes but I would be the first to disagree with them because to group people together by their race and nationality and categorise them as this and that is ridiculous and racist. I'm sure you would agree! if you wife is of another Nationality I'm surprised you are not more careful about slagging people off because of their race/nationality, and don't say you weren't cos you were! Have a think about it![/p][/quote]Please call her that but at the same time publish your name so I can sue you! As I've tried to tell you ( talking to a brick wall) this never happened back when we had British crews ,now if it was because there was no such disease answer me this.Why is it they bought on cleaners & did a thorough clean & then sailed that night? Why wasn't the ship cleaned properly & a high hygiene standard maintained art sea? as this did happen ( high standard) before the British seamen were removed by the Racist Cruise companies[/p][/quote]Yet again rant before read properly. I was stating that I defend people like your wife who are so often the unfair victims of casual and implied racism. You demand tell me this, answer that. Who do you think you are? I don't answer to you. A couple of clues as to why this is a bigger problem than it used to be. 1. Even if it happened 40 years ago you would't have had mr mrs hard done by from awfulville splattered all over the front page of the media (they had proper journalists and stories then - the media a true example of declining standards must be all those foreign journalists). 2. 20 x more people go on cruises...... 3. The world is a different place, well for those of us who don't live in the past unlike you! thinklikealocal
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5:28pm Sat 15 Dec 12

andysaints007 says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
What the hells that? My wife's Thai & you dare call me racist? Let me give you a history lesson! John Prescott was head of the seamans Union he was given a free holiday by a cruise company at the same time he/the union signed over thousands of British jobs the Dockies hanged him from his ankles over the edge of the dock in Southampton. He sold average paid jobs for a holiday & went on to become deputy leader of the Labour Party. These workers they have on board now knew they were replacing British jobs & were happy enough to work for the pay they're now on one reason I don't agree with the RMT union. I'm quite annoyed you could even come out with that statement I feel you owe me a huge apology or else be ready for every insult I can throw at a "LADY"?
Instead of 'ranting' and somehow trying to link the outbreak of Novovirus on Oriana with something John Prescott did god knows how long ago, why don't you read what you wrote and have a think about it. Some people think all Thai women are prostitutes but I would be the first to disagree with them because to group people together by their race and nationality and categorise them as this and that is ridiculous and racist. I'm sure you would agree! if you wife is of another Nationality I'm surprised you are not more careful about slagging people off because of their race/nationality, and don't say you weren't cos you were! Have a think about it!
Please call her that but at the same time publish your name so I can sue you! As I've tried to tell you ( talking to a brick wall) this never happened back when we had British crews ,now if it was because there was no such disease answer me this.Why is it they bought on cleaners & did a thorough clean & then sailed that night? Why wasn't the ship cleaned properly & a high hygiene standard maintained art sea? as this did happen ( high standard) before the British seamen were removed by the Racist Cruise companies
Yet again rant before read properly. I was stating that I defend people like your wife who are so often the unfair victims of casual and implied racism. You demand tell me this, answer that. Who do you think you are? I don't answer to you. A couple of clues as to why this is a bigger problem than it used to be. 1. Even if it happened 40 years ago you would't have had mr mrs hard done by from awfulville splattered all over the front page of the media (they had proper journalists and stories then - the media a true example of declining standards must be all those foreign journalists). 2. 20 x more people go on cruises...... 3. The world is a different place, well for those of us who don't live in the past unlike you!
loosehead don't waste your time with that dic*khead
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]What the hells that? My wife's Thai & you dare call me racist? Let me give you a history lesson! John Prescott was head of the seamans Union he was given a free holiday by a cruise company at the same time he/the union signed over thousands of British jobs the Dockies hanged him from his ankles over the edge of the dock in Southampton. He sold average paid jobs for a holiday & went on to become deputy leader of the Labour Party. These workers they have on board now knew they were replacing British jobs & were happy enough to work for the pay they're now on one reason I don't agree with the RMT union. I'm quite annoyed you could even come out with that statement I feel you owe me a huge apology or else be ready for every insult I can throw at a "LADY"?[/p][/quote]Instead of 'ranting' and somehow trying to link the outbreak of Novovirus on Oriana with something John Prescott did god knows how long ago, why don't you read what you wrote and have a think about it. Some people think all Thai women are prostitutes but I would be the first to disagree with them because to group people together by their race and nationality and categorise them as this and that is ridiculous and racist. I'm sure you would agree! if you wife is of another Nationality I'm surprised you are not more careful about slagging people off because of their race/nationality, and don't say you weren't cos you were! Have a think about it![/p][/quote]Please call her that but at the same time publish your name so I can sue you! As I've tried to tell you ( talking to a brick wall) this never happened back when we had British crews ,now if it was because there was no such disease answer me this.Why is it they bought on cleaners & did a thorough clean & then sailed that night? Why wasn't the ship cleaned properly & a high hygiene standard maintained art sea? as this did happen ( high standard) before the British seamen were removed by the Racist Cruise companies[/p][/quote]Yet again rant before read properly. I was stating that I defend people like your wife who are so often the unfair victims of casual and implied racism. You demand tell me this, answer that. Who do you think you are? I don't answer to you. A couple of clues as to why this is a bigger problem than it used to be. 1. Even if it happened 40 years ago you would't have had mr mrs hard done by from awfulville splattered all over the front page of the media (they had proper journalists and stories then - the media a true example of declining standards must be all those foreign journalists). 2. 20 x more people go on cruises...... 3. The world is a different place, well for those of us who don't live in the past unlike you![/p][/quote]loosehead don't waste your time with that dic*khead andysaints007
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6:24pm Sat 15 Dec 12

Linesman says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.
Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.
Do you think the cruise line were racist? They did away with British workers for cheap foreign labour so doesn't that mean they gave the jobs according to race?
What they did was in their best commercial, financial and operating interests. Would any british workers have applied? If they did and never got hired and all else was equal then yes P and O would be guilty of racism I'm afraid yours is rather a facile argument. I am sure you are not a racist in the sense of the BNP but you were making a racist comment.
So, you agree with me. P&O put profits before the welfare of passengers.
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.[/p][/quote]Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.[/p][/quote]Do you think the cruise line were racist? They did away with British workers for cheap foreign labour so doesn't that mean they gave the jobs according to race?[/p][/quote]What they did was in their best commercial, financial and operating interests. Would any british workers have applied? If they did and never got hired and all else was equal then yes P and O would be guilty of racism I'm afraid yours is rather a facile argument. I am sure you are not a racist in the sense of the BNP but you were making a racist comment.[/p][/quote]So, you agree with me. P&O put profits before the welfare of passengers. Linesman
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9:06pm Sat 15 Dec 12

loosehead says...

andysaints007 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
What the hells that? My wife's Thai & you dare call me racist? Let me give you a history lesson! John Prescott was head of the seamans Union he was given a free holiday by a cruise company at the same time he/the union signed over thousands of British jobs the Dockies hanged him from his ankles over the edge of the dock in Southampton. He sold average paid jobs for a holiday & went on to become deputy leader of the Labour Party. These workers they have on board now knew they were replacing British jobs & were happy enough to work for the pay they're now on one reason I don't agree with the RMT union. I'm quite annoyed you could even come out with that statement I feel you owe me a huge apology or else be ready for every insult I can throw at a "LADY"?
Instead of 'ranting' and somehow trying to link the outbreak of Novovirus on Oriana with something John Prescott did god knows how long ago, why don't you read what you wrote and have a think about it. Some people think all Thai women are prostitutes but I would be the first to disagree with them because to group people together by their race and nationality and categorise them as this and that is ridiculous and racist. I'm sure you would agree! if you wife is of another Nationality I'm surprised you are not more careful about slagging people off because of their race/nationality, and don't say you weren't cos you were! Have a think about it!
Please call her that but at the same time publish your name so I can sue you! As I've tried to tell you ( talking to a brick wall) this never happened back when we had British crews ,now if it was because there was no such disease answer me this.Why is it they bought on cleaners & did a thorough clean & then sailed that night? Why wasn't the ship cleaned properly & a high hygiene standard maintained art sea? as this did happen ( high standard) before the British seamen were removed by the Racist Cruise companies
Yet again rant before read properly. I was stating that I defend people like your wife who are so often the unfair victims of casual and implied racism. You demand tell me this, answer that. Who do you think you are? I don't answer to you. A couple of clues as to why this is a bigger problem than it used to be. 1. Even if it happened 40 years ago you would't have had mr mrs hard done by from awfulville splattered all over the front page of the media (they had proper journalists and stories then - the media a true example of declining standards must be all those foreign journalists). 2. 20 x more people go on cruises...... 3. The world is a different place, well for those of us who don't live in the past unlike you!
loosehead don't waste your time with that dic*khead
Are you calling me names?
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]What the hells that? My wife's Thai & you dare call me racist? Let me give you a history lesson! John Prescott was head of the seamans Union he was given a free holiday by a cruise company at the same time he/the union signed over thousands of British jobs the Dockies hanged him from his ankles over the edge of the dock in Southampton. He sold average paid jobs for a holiday & went on to become deputy leader of the Labour Party. These workers they have on board now knew they were replacing British jobs & were happy enough to work for the pay they're now on one reason I don't agree with the RMT union. I'm quite annoyed you could even come out with that statement I feel you owe me a huge apology or else be ready for every insult I can throw at a "LADY"?[/p][/quote]Instead of 'ranting' and somehow trying to link the outbreak of Novovirus on Oriana with something John Prescott did god knows how long ago, why don't you read what you wrote and have a think about it. Some people think all Thai women are prostitutes but I would be the first to disagree with them because to group people together by their race and nationality and categorise them as this and that is ridiculous and racist. I'm sure you would agree! if you wife is of another Nationality I'm surprised you are not more careful about slagging people off because of their race/nationality, and don't say you weren't cos you were! Have a think about it![/p][/quote]Please call her that but at the same time publish your name so I can sue you! As I've tried to tell you ( talking to a brick wall) this never happened back when we had British crews ,now if it was because there was no such disease answer me this.Why is it they bought on cleaners & did a thorough clean & then sailed that night? Why wasn't the ship cleaned properly & a high hygiene standard maintained art sea? as this did happen ( high standard) before the British seamen were removed by the Racist Cruise companies[/p][/quote]Yet again rant before read properly. I was stating that I defend people like your wife who are so often the unfair victims of casual and implied racism. You demand tell me this, answer that. Who do you think you are? I don't answer to you. A couple of clues as to why this is a bigger problem than it used to be. 1. Even if it happened 40 years ago you would't have had mr mrs hard done by from awfulville splattered all over the front page of the media (they had proper journalists and stories then - the media a true example of declining standards must be all those foreign journalists). 2. 20 x more people go on cruises...... 3. The world is a different place, well for those of us who don't live in the past unlike you![/p][/quote]loosehead don't waste your time with that dic*khead[/p][/quote]Are you calling me names? loosehead
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9:27pm Sat 15 Dec 12

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.
Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.
Do you think the cruise line were racist? They did away with British workers for cheap foreign labour so doesn't that mean they gave the jobs according to race?
What they did was in their best commercial, financial and operating interests. Would any british workers have applied? If they did and never got hired and all else was equal then yes P and O would be guilty of racism I'm afraid yours is rather a facile argument. I am sure you are not a racist in the sense of the BNP but you were making a racist comment.
So, you agree with me. P&O put profits before the welfare of passengers.
I agree with you!
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.[/p][/quote]Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.[/p][/quote]Do you think the cruise line were racist? They did away with British workers for cheap foreign labour so doesn't that mean they gave the jobs according to race?[/p][/quote]What they did was in their best commercial, financial and operating interests. Would any british workers have applied? If they did and never got hired and all else was equal then yes P and O would be guilty of racism I'm afraid yours is rather a facile argument. I am sure you are not a racist in the sense of the BNP but you were making a racist comment.[/p][/quote]So, you agree with me. P&O put profits before the welfare of passengers.[/p][/quote]I agree with you! loosehead
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10:48pm Sat 15 Dec 12

bigfella777 says...

The virus comes from the 3rd world crew , simple as that.
The virus comes from the 3rd world crew , simple as that. bigfella777
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11:55pm Sat 15 Dec 12

Eric Pickles says...

bigfella777 wrote:
The virus comes from the 3rd world crew , simple as that.
"Simple" being the operative word in your post !
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: The virus comes from the 3rd world crew , simple as that.[/p][/quote]"Simple" being the operative word in your post ! Eric Pickles
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8:20am Sun 16 Dec 12

loosehead says...

In hospitals we've blamed the increase of different types of bugs on hygiene & hospitals have ( should) improved on their hygiene yet we see now two ships from the same company having this bug & coming into port having a deep clean & sailing again on the same day?
Now either we come up with a medical check that can be done before passengers board or the cleaning must be improved as surely if this was getting "deep" cleaned on the cruise this bug wouldn't survive would it?
In hospitals we've blamed the increase of different types of bugs on hygiene & hospitals have ( should) improved on their hygiene yet we see now two ships from the same company having this bug & coming into port having a deep clean & sailing again on the same day? Now either we come up with a medical check that can be done before passengers board or the cleaning must be improved as surely if this was getting "deep" cleaned on the cruise this bug wouldn't survive would it? loosehead
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10:03am Sun 16 Dec 12

alan.of.eastleigh says...

loosehead wrote:
In hospitals we've blamed the increase of different types of bugs on hygiene & hospitals have ( should) improved on their hygiene yet we see now two ships from the same company having this bug & coming into port having a deep clean & sailing again on the same day?
Now either we come up with a medical check that can be done before passengers board or the cleaning must be improved as surely if this was getting "deep" cleaned on the cruise this bug wouldn't survive would it?
You can deep clean as much as you like but if people don't observe simple personal hygiene issues norovirus will spread. For some reason people think the sanitisers do not apply to them and you'd be amazed at the number of men who leave the washrooms without washing their hands. Looking at the pictures this cruise was populated by an older age group who will touch handrails etc for balance more than younger people. And the the idea of having a mass protest in the stairwells clearly would not have helped. Well done mr Stringer!!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: In hospitals we've blamed the increase of different types of bugs on hygiene & hospitals have ( should) improved on their hygiene yet we see now two ships from the same company having this bug & coming into port having a deep clean & sailing again on the same day? Now either we come up with a medical check that can be done before passengers board or the cleaning must be improved as surely if this was getting "deep" cleaned on the cruise this bug wouldn't survive would it?[/p][/quote]You can deep clean as much as you like but if people don't observe simple personal hygiene issues norovirus will spread. For some reason people think the sanitisers do not apply to them and you'd be amazed at the number of men who leave the washrooms without washing their hands. Looking at the pictures this cruise was populated by an older age group who will touch handrails etc for balance more than younger people. And the the idea of having a mass protest in the stairwells clearly would not have helped. Well done mr Stringer!! alan.of.eastleigh
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10:33am Sun 16 Dec 12

Linesman says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.
Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.
Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen.

If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.[/p][/quote]Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.[/p][/quote]Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved. Linesman
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6:13pm Sun 16 Dec 12

phil maccavity says...

Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.
Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.
Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen.

If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.
P&O have had a long tradition of employing Indian and Goanese crew going back before the Novavirus was first identified as a type of winter stomach bug in 1968. At that time it was called the 'Norwark' strain.
Every cruise line has the problem (Fred Olsen and RCCL have been mentioned in the travel press recently) as do Hotels, Hospitals, Universities and most other places where a lot of people congregate.
Hygene onboard Cruise ships is taken far more seriously nowadays than in the past and each major port has a Port Health Authority who are very alert to the issues.
As has been said in earlier posts, if people were more scrupulous with their personal hygiene this would help but it is unlikely to eliminate the problem.
Unfortunately the Novavirus is a very resistant strain of stomach bug which has the ability to evolve over the passage of time.
I feel sorry for the people who suffer. It is not a pleasant experience
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.[/p][/quote]Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.[/p][/quote]Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.[/p][/quote]P&O have had a long tradition of employing Indian and Goanese crew going back before the Novavirus was first identified as a type of winter stomach bug in 1968. At that time it was called the 'Norwark' strain. Every cruise line has the problem (Fred Olsen and RCCL have been mentioned in the travel press recently) as do Hotels, Hospitals, Universities and most other places where a lot of people congregate. Hygene onboard Cruise ships is taken far more seriously nowadays than in the past and each major port has a Port Health Authority who are very alert to the issues. As has been said in earlier posts, if people were more scrupulous with their personal hygiene this would help but it is unlikely to eliminate the problem. Unfortunately the Novavirus is a very resistant strain of stomach bug which has the ability to evolve over the passage of time. I feel sorry for the people who suffer. It is not a pleasant experience phil maccavity
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7:00pm Sun 16 Dec 12

thinklikealocal says...

Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.
Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.
Do you think the cruise line were racist? They did away with British workers for cheap foreign labour so doesn't that mean they gave the jobs according to race?
What they did was in their best commercial, financial and operating interests. Would any british workers have applied? If they did and never got hired and all else was equal then yes P and O would be guilty of racism I'm afraid yours is rather a facile argument. I am sure you are not a racist in the sense of the BNP but you were making a racist comment.
So, you agree with me. P&O put profits before the welfare of passengers.
No I don't and where is your evidence for making such a statement?
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.[/p][/quote]Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.[/p][/quote]Do you think the cruise line were racist? They did away with British workers for cheap foreign labour so doesn't that mean they gave the jobs according to race?[/p][/quote]What they did was in their best commercial, financial and operating interests. Would any british workers have applied? If they did and never got hired and all else was equal then yes P and O would be guilty of racism I'm afraid yours is rather a facile argument. I am sure you are not a racist in the sense of the BNP but you were making a racist comment.[/p][/quote]So, you agree with me. P&O put profits before the welfare of passengers.[/p][/quote]No I don't and where is your evidence for making such a statement? thinklikealocal
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9:47pm Sun 16 Dec 12

thinklikealocal says...

Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.
Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.
Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.
The inference in his post is quite clear.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.[/p][/quote]Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.[/p][/quote]Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.[/p][/quote]The inference in his post is quite clear. thinklikealocal
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11:06pm Sun 16 Dec 12

Linesman says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.
Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.
Do you think the cruise line were racist? They did away with British workers for cheap foreign labour so doesn't that mean they gave the jobs according to race?
What they did was in their best commercial, financial and operating interests. Would any british workers have applied? If they did and never got hired and all else was equal then yes P and O would be guilty of racism I'm afraid yours is rather a facile argument. I am sure you are not a racist in the sense of the BNP but you were making a racist comment.
So, you agree with me. P&O put profits before the welfare of passengers.
No I don't and where is your evidence for making such a statement?
"What they did was in their best commercial, financial and operating interests."

That is what you stated.

You made no claim that it was in the best interests and welfare of their passengers.

I said, "So, you agree with me. P&O put profits before the welfare of passengers."

That is why I made the statement, because it reflects on what you had said.
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.[/p][/quote]Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.[/p][/quote]Do you think the cruise line were racist? They did away with British workers for cheap foreign labour so doesn't that mean they gave the jobs according to race?[/p][/quote]What they did was in their best commercial, financial and operating interests. Would any british workers have applied? If they did and never got hired and all else was equal then yes P and O would be guilty of racism I'm afraid yours is rather a facile argument. I am sure you are not a racist in the sense of the BNP but you were making a racist comment.[/p][/quote]So, you agree with me. P&O put profits before the welfare of passengers.[/p][/quote]No I don't and where is your evidence for making such a statement?[/p][/quote]"What they did was in their best commercial, financial and operating interests." That is what you stated. You made no claim that it was in the best interests and welfare of their passengers. I said, "So, you agree with me. P&O put profits before the welfare of passengers." That is why I made the statement, because it reflects on what you had said. Linesman
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11:07pm Sun 16 Dec 12

Linesman says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.
Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.
Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.
The inference in his post is quite clear.
There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence.

You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.[/p][/quote]Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.[/p][/quote]Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.[/p][/quote]The inference in his post is quite clear.[/p][/quote]There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence. You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is. Linesman
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6:49am Mon 17 Dec 12

thinklikealocal says...

Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.
Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.
Do you think the cruise line were racist? They did away with British workers for cheap foreign labour so doesn't that mean they gave the jobs according to race?
What they did was in their best commercial, financial and operating interests. Would any british workers have applied? If they did and never got hired and all else was equal then yes P and O would be guilty of racism I'm afraid yours is rather a facile argument. I am sure you are not a racist in the sense of the BNP but you were making a racist comment.
So, you agree with me. P&O put profits before the welfare of passengers.
No I don't and where is your evidence for making such a statement?
"What they did was in their best commercial, financial and operating interests." That is what you stated. You made no claim that it was in the best interests and welfare of their passengers. I said, "So, you agree with me. P&O put profits before the welfare of passengers." That is why I made the statement, because it reflects on what you had said.
No because I do not believe the changes referred to have in any way contributed to the current situation. As usual you are twisting and turning taking the answer to one question and applying it a different question. You really are quite ridiculous.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.[/p][/quote]Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.[/p][/quote]Do you think the cruise line were racist? They did away with British workers for cheap foreign labour so doesn't that mean they gave the jobs according to race?[/p][/quote]What they did was in their best commercial, financial and operating interests. Would any british workers have applied? If they did and never got hired and all else was equal then yes P and O would be guilty of racism I'm afraid yours is rather a facile argument. I am sure you are not a racist in the sense of the BNP but you were making a racist comment.[/p][/quote]So, you agree with me. P&O put profits before the welfare of passengers.[/p][/quote]No I don't and where is your evidence for making such a statement?[/p][/quote]"What they did was in their best commercial, financial and operating interests." That is what you stated. You made no claim that it was in the best interests and welfare of their passengers. I said, "So, you agree with me. P&O put profits before the welfare of passengers." That is why I made the statement, because it reflects on what you had said.[/p][/quote]No because I do not believe the changes referred to have in any way contributed to the current situation. As usual you are twisting and turning taking the answer to one question and applying it a different question. You really are quite ridiculous. thinklikealocal
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6:57am Mon 17 Dec 12

thinklikealocal says...

Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.
Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.
Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.
The inference in his post is quite clear.
There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence. You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.
Sorry I disagree. Racist behaviour is unacceptable to me on ANY level. Loosehead was the one who introduced a racist element to this debate not me.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.[/p][/quote]Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.[/p][/quote]Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.[/p][/quote]The inference in his post is quite clear.[/p][/quote]There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence. You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.[/p][/quote]Sorry I disagree. Racist behaviour is unacceptable to me on ANY level. Loosehead was the one who introduced a racist element to this debate not me. thinklikealocal
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9:39am Mon 17 Dec 12

Linesman says...

Me 'twisting and turning.'

That's a laugh.

It is you that claimed P&O took the decision to make the changes for the best commercial, financial and operating interests, and it you that is now 'twisting and turning'.

Perhaps you could explain how those changes were in the passengers best interests - although I very much doubt it.

I suppose you also think that it was in the passengers best interests that both the Oriana and Azura are now registered in Bermuda and not in Southampton.
Me 'twisting and turning.' That's a laugh. It is you that claimed P&O took the decision to make the changes for the best commercial, financial and operating interests, and it you that is now 'twisting and turning'. Perhaps you could explain how those changes were in the passengers best interests - although I very much doubt it. I suppose you also think that it was in the passengers best interests that both the Oriana and Azura are now registered in Bermuda and not in Southampton. Linesman
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9:44am Mon 17 Dec 12

Linesman says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.
Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.
Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.
The inference in his post is quite clear.
There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence. You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.
Sorry I disagree. Racist behaviour is unacceptable to me on ANY level. Loosehead was the one who introduced a racist element to this debate not me.
I note that, with your blinkered view.

Loosehead stated that he could not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen.

I asked you if you could remember similar cases on ships fully crewed by British seamen, but you prefer not to answer, but go off on a different tangent.

If you can recall such a case or cases, then let us know. If not, accept Loosehead's comment in the way that it was stated.
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.[/p][/quote]Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.[/p][/quote]Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.[/p][/quote]The inference in his post is quite clear.[/p][/quote]There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence. You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.[/p][/quote]Sorry I disagree. Racist behaviour is unacceptable to me on ANY level. Loosehead was the one who introduced a racist element to this debate not me.[/p][/quote]I note that, with your blinkered view. Loosehead stated that he could not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. I asked you if you could remember similar cases on ships fully crewed by British seamen, but you prefer not to answer, but go off on a different tangent. If you can recall such a case or cases, then let us know. If not, accept Loosehead's comment in the way that it was stated. Linesman
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9:53am Mon 17 Dec 12

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.
Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.
Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.
The inference in his post is quite clear.
There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence. You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.
Sorry I disagree. Racist behaviour is unacceptable to me on ANY level. Loosehead was the one who introduced a racist element to this debate not me.
So as Linesman has pointed out I asked was it like this when we had British Seamen on board & you take that as a Racist comment?
So 90% of the population are racist then?
the Scots who want Independence are racist then? Have you heard Alex Salmond go on about the English?
when an England team of any sport plays another country & they say we've got to beat the French is this racist?
You are a liar you have attacked my posts at every opportunity & to have Linesman telling you I'm not racist should tell you your wrong on this one as usually Linesman & I disagree so why is he saying this? because he knows your wrong!
How many people out there are now saying British Workers for British jobs? are all of them racist?
I wasn't saying that I was asking a question of was it like this when British crew were on board you read a negative into it straight away didn't you Eastleigh girl?
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.[/p][/quote]Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.[/p][/quote]Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.[/p][/quote]The inference in his post is quite clear.[/p][/quote]There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence. You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.[/p][/quote]Sorry I disagree. Racist behaviour is unacceptable to me on ANY level. Loosehead was the one who introduced a racist element to this debate not me.[/p][/quote]So as Linesman has pointed out I asked was it like this when we had British Seamen on board & you take that as a Racist comment? So 90% of the population are racist then? the Scots who want Independence are racist then? Have you heard Alex Salmond go on about the English? when an England team of any sport plays another country & they say we've got to beat the French is this racist? You are a liar you have attacked my posts at every opportunity & to have Linesman telling you I'm not racist should tell you your wrong on this one as usually Linesman & I disagree so why is he saying this? because he knows your wrong! How many people out there are now saying British Workers for British jobs? are all of them racist? I wasn't saying that I was asking a question of was it like this when British crew were on board you read a negative into it straight away didn't you Eastleigh girl? loosehead
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11:26am Mon 17 Dec 12

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.
Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.
Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.
The inference in his post is quite clear.
There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence. You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.
Sorry I disagree. Racist behaviour is unacceptable to me on ANY level. Loosehead was the one who introduced a racist element to this debate not me.
So as Linesman has pointed out I asked was it like this when we had British Seamen on board & you take that as a Racist comment?
So 90% of the population are racist then?
the Scots who want Independence are racist then? Have you heard Alex Salmond go on about the English?
when an England team of any sport plays another country & they say we've got to beat the French is this racist?
You are a liar you have attacked my posts at every opportunity & to have Linesman telling you I'm not racist should tell you your wrong on this one as usually Linesman & I disagree so why is he saying this? because he knows your wrong!
How many people out there are now saying British Workers for British jobs? are all of them racist?
I wasn't saying that I was asking a question of was it like this when British crew were on board you read a negative into it straight away didn't you Eastleigh girl?
As 'thinklikealocal' appears to have difficulty in understanding the Queen's english, I am beginning to wonder whether english is not his native language.

That I should even have such a thought, would that make me racist, bearing in mind the enlish is the first language in many countries ouside of the UK?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.[/p][/quote]Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.[/p][/quote]Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.[/p][/quote]The inference in his post is quite clear.[/p][/quote]There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence. You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.[/p][/quote]Sorry I disagree. Racist behaviour is unacceptable to me on ANY level. Loosehead was the one who introduced a racist element to this debate not me.[/p][/quote]So as Linesman has pointed out I asked was it like this when we had British Seamen on board & you take that as a Racist comment? So 90% of the population are racist then? the Scots who want Independence are racist then? Have you heard Alex Salmond go on about the English? when an England team of any sport plays another country & they say we've got to beat the French is this racist? You are a liar you have attacked my posts at every opportunity & to have Linesman telling you I'm not racist should tell you your wrong on this one as usually Linesman & I disagree so why is he saying this? because he knows your wrong! How many people out there are now saying British Workers for British jobs? are all of them racist? I wasn't saying that I was asking a question of was it like this when British crew were on board you read a negative into it straight away didn't you Eastleigh girl?[/p][/quote]As 'thinklikealocal' appears to have difficulty in understanding the Queen's english, I am beginning to wonder whether english is not his native language. That I should even have such a thought, would that make me racist, bearing in mind the enlish is the first language in many countries ouside of the UK? Linesman
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5:28pm Mon 17 Dec 12

thinklikealocal says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.
Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.
Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.
The inference in his post is quite clear.
There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence. You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.
Sorry I disagree. Racist behaviour is unacceptable to me on ANY level. Loosehead was the one who introduced a racist element to this debate not me.
So as Linesman has pointed out I asked was it like this when we had British Seamen on board & you take that as a Racist comment? So 90% of the population are racist then? the Scots who want Independence are racist then? Have you heard Alex Salmond go on about the English? when an England team of any sport plays another country & they say we've got to beat the French is this racist? You are a liar you have attacked my posts at every opportunity & to have Linesman telling you I'm not racist should tell you your wrong on this one as usually Linesman & I disagree so why is he saying this? because he knows your wrong! How many people out there are now saying British Workers for British jobs? are all of them racist? I wasn't saying that I was asking a question of was it like this when British crew were on board you read a negative into it straight away didn't you Eastleigh girl?
As 'thinklikealocal' appears to have difficulty in understanding the Queen's english, I am beginning to wonder whether english is not his native language. That I should even have such a thought, would that make me racist, bearing in mind the enlish is the first language in many countries ouside of the UK?
I have an excellent command of the english language thanks. No, I do not recall you making any racist comments. Loosehead's ridiculous comparisons and total lack if self awareness continue unabated. Soooo dull......
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.[/p][/quote]Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.[/p][/quote]Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.[/p][/quote]The inference in his post is quite clear.[/p][/quote]There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence. You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.[/p][/quote]Sorry I disagree. Racist behaviour is unacceptable to me on ANY level. Loosehead was the one who introduced a racist element to this debate not me.[/p][/quote]So as Linesman has pointed out I asked was it like this when we had British Seamen on board & you take that as a Racist comment? So 90% of the population are racist then? the Scots who want Independence are racist then? Have you heard Alex Salmond go on about the English? when an England team of any sport plays another country & they say we've got to beat the French is this racist? You are a liar you have attacked my posts at every opportunity & to have Linesman telling you I'm not racist should tell you your wrong on this one as usually Linesman & I disagree so why is he saying this? because he knows your wrong! How many people out there are now saying British Workers for British jobs? are all of them racist? I wasn't saying that I was asking a question of was it like this when British crew were on board you read a negative into it straight away didn't you Eastleigh girl?[/p][/quote]As 'thinklikealocal' appears to have difficulty in understanding the Queen's english, I am beginning to wonder whether english is not his native language. That I should even have such a thought, would that make me racist, bearing in mind the enlish is the first language in many countries ouside of the UK?[/p][/quote]I have an excellent command of the english language thanks. No, I do not recall you making any racist comments. Loosehead's ridiculous comparisons and total lack if self awareness continue unabated. Soooo dull...... thinklikealocal
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6:26pm Mon 17 Dec 12

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.
Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.
Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.
The inference in his post is quite clear.
There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence. You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.
Sorry I disagree. Racist behaviour is unacceptable to me on ANY level. Loosehead was the one who introduced a racist element to this debate not me.
So as Linesman has pointed out I asked was it like this when we had British Seamen on board & you take that as a Racist comment? So 90% of the population are racist then? the Scots who want Independence are racist then? Have you heard Alex Salmond go on about the English? when an England team of any sport plays another country & they say we've got to beat the French is this racist? You are a liar you have attacked my posts at every opportunity & to have Linesman telling you I'm not racist should tell you your wrong on this one as usually Linesman & I disagree so why is he saying this? because he knows your wrong! How many people out there are now saying British Workers for British jobs? are all of them racist? I wasn't saying that I was asking a question of was it like this when British crew were on board you read a negative into it straight away didn't you Eastleigh girl?
As 'thinklikealocal' appears to have difficulty in understanding the Queen's english, I am beginning to wonder whether english is not his native language. That I should even have such a thought, would that make me racist, bearing in mind the enlish is the first language in many countries ouside of the UK?
I have an excellent command of the english language thanks. No, I do not recall you making any racist comments. Loosehead's ridiculous comparisons and total lack if self awareness continue unabated. Soooo dull......
This was a reply from Linesman yet you attack me?
Do you not mean total lack of not "if" you are a joke,
do you not remember your post to Ironlady where you talked of quitting posting?
where you said I attacked you?
I apologised to you if you thought that was what I was doing but since then that's exactly what you've done to me.
So you selfish I don't want a pay cut get rid of jobs woman keep up the attacks & lets see how long it will be before you cry to Ironlady again?
I've wished most people Merry Christmas but you NO I've been called the best uncle by my niece ( she's mixed race)& I've had many friends of all nationality.
I've let a Indian friend stay with me whilst going through marital problems yet you who can't be wrong have the cheek no nerve to call me a racist?
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.[/p][/quote]Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.[/p][/quote]Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.[/p][/quote]The inference in his post is quite clear.[/p][/quote]There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence. You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.[/p][/quote]Sorry I disagree. Racist behaviour is unacceptable to me on ANY level. Loosehead was the one who introduced a racist element to this debate not me.[/p][/quote]So as Linesman has pointed out I asked was it like this when we had British Seamen on board & you take that as a Racist comment? So 90% of the population are racist then? the Scots who want Independence are racist then? Have you heard Alex Salmond go on about the English? when an England team of any sport plays another country & they say we've got to beat the French is this racist? You are a liar you have attacked my posts at every opportunity & to have Linesman telling you I'm not racist should tell you your wrong on this one as usually Linesman & I disagree so why is he saying this? because he knows your wrong! How many people out there are now saying British Workers for British jobs? are all of them racist? I wasn't saying that I was asking a question of was it like this when British crew were on board you read a negative into it straight away didn't you Eastleigh girl?[/p][/quote]As 'thinklikealocal' appears to have difficulty in understanding the Queen's english, I am beginning to wonder whether english is not his native language. That I should even have such a thought, would that make me racist, bearing in mind the enlish is the first language in many countries ouside of the UK?[/p][/quote]I have an excellent command of the english language thanks. No, I do not recall you making any racist comments. Loosehead's ridiculous comparisons and total lack if self awareness continue unabated. Soooo dull......[/p][/quote]This was a reply from Linesman yet you attack me? Do you not mean total lack of not "if" you are a joke, do you not remember your post to Ironlady where you talked of quitting posting? where you said I attacked you? I apologised to you if you thought that was what I was doing but since then that's exactly what you've done to me. So you selfish I don't want a pay cut get rid of jobs woman keep up the attacks & lets see how long it will be before you cry to Ironlady again? I've wished most people Merry Christmas but you NO I've been called the best uncle by my niece ( she's mixed race)& I've had many friends of all nationality. I've let a Indian friend stay with me whilst going through marital problems yet you who can't be wrong have the cheek no nerve to call me a racist? loosehead
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9:11pm Mon 17 Dec 12

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.
Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.
Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.
The inference in his post is quite clear.
There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence. You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.
Sorry I disagree. Racist behaviour is unacceptable to me on ANY level. Loosehead was the one who introduced a racist element to this debate not me.
So as Linesman has pointed out I asked was it like this when we had British Seamen on board & you take that as a Racist comment? So 90% of the population are racist then? the Scots who want Independence are racist then? Have you heard Alex Salmond go on about the English? when an England team of any sport plays another country & they say we've got to beat the French is this racist? You are a liar you have attacked my posts at every opportunity & to have Linesman telling you I'm not racist should tell you your wrong on this one as usually Linesman & I disagree so why is he saying this? because he knows your wrong! How many people out there are now saying British Workers for British jobs? are all of them racist? I wasn't saying that I was asking a question of was it like this when British crew were on board you read a negative into it straight away didn't you Eastleigh girl?
As 'thinklikealocal' appears to have difficulty in understanding the Queen's english, I am beginning to wonder whether english is not his native language. That I should even have such a thought, would that make me racist, bearing in mind the enlish is the first language in many countries ouside of the UK?
I have an excellent command of the english language thanks. No, I do not recall you making any racist comments. Loosehead's ridiculous comparisons and total lack if self awareness continue unabated. Soooo dull......
This was a reply from Linesman yet you attack me? Do you not mean total lack of not "if" you are a joke, do you not remember your post to Ironlady where you talked of quitting posting? where you said I attacked you? I apologised to you if you thought that was what I was doing but since then that's exactly what you've done to me. So you selfish I don't want a pay cut get rid of jobs woman keep up the attacks & lets see how long it will be before you cry to Ironlady again? I've wished most people Merry Christmas but you NO I've been called the best uncle by my niece ( she's mixed race)& I've had many friends of all nationality. I've let a Indian friend stay with me whilst going through marital problems yet you who can't be wrong have the cheek no nerve to call me a racist?
I said your comment was racist. I also said that it may be unintentional or casual i.e. I gave you the benefit of the doubt. YOU are the one who ramps it up, ranting and raving all the time. YOU are the rude one. Another poster, completely nothing to do with me, and on another thread, also felt a comment you made was racist when posting. If you are not a racist, Perhaps you should consider how you word things!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.[/p][/quote]Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.[/p][/quote]Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.[/p][/quote]The inference in his post is quite clear.[/p][/quote]There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence. You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.[/p][/quote]Sorry I disagree. Racist behaviour is unacceptable to me on ANY level. Loosehead was the one who introduced a racist element to this debate not me.[/p][/quote]So as Linesman has pointed out I asked was it like this when we had British Seamen on board & you take that as a Racist comment? So 90% of the population are racist then? the Scots who want Independence are racist then? Have you heard Alex Salmond go on about the English? when an England team of any sport plays another country & they say we've got to beat the French is this racist? You are a liar you have attacked my posts at every opportunity & to have Linesman telling you I'm not racist should tell you your wrong on this one as usually Linesman & I disagree so why is he saying this? because he knows your wrong! How many people out there are now saying British Workers for British jobs? are all of them racist? I wasn't saying that I was asking a question of was it like this when British crew were on board you read a negative into it straight away didn't you Eastleigh girl?[/p][/quote]As 'thinklikealocal' appears to have difficulty in understanding the Queen's english, I am beginning to wonder whether english is not his native language. That I should even have such a thought, would that make me racist, bearing in mind the enlish is the first language in many countries ouside of the UK?[/p][/quote]I have an excellent command of the english language thanks. No, I do not recall you making any racist comments. Loosehead's ridiculous comparisons and total lack if self awareness continue unabated. Soooo dull......[/p][/quote]This was a reply from Linesman yet you attack me? Do you not mean total lack of not "if" you are a joke, do you not remember your post to Ironlady where you talked of quitting posting? where you said I attacked you? I apologised to you if you thought that was what I was doing but since then that's exactly what you've done to me. So you selfish I don't want a pay cut get rid of jobs woman keep up the attacks & lets see how long it will be before you cry to Ironlady again? I've wished most people Merry Christmas but you NO I've been called the best uncle by my niece ( she's mixed race)& I've had many friends of all nationality. I've let a Indian friend stay with me whilst going through marital problems yet you who can't be wrong have the cheek no nerve to call me a racist?[/p][/quote]I said your comment was racist. I also said that it may be unintentional or casual i.e. I gave you the benefit of the doubt. YOU are the one who ramps it up, ranting and raving all the time. YOU are the rude one. Another poster, completely nothing to do with me, and on another thread, also felt a comment you made was racist when posting. If you are not a racist, Perhaps you should consider how you word things! thinklikealocal
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9:17pm Mon 17 Dec 12

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.
Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.
Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.
The inference in his post is quite clear.
There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence. You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.
Sorry I disagree. Racist behaviour is unacceptable to me on ANY level. Loosehead was the one who introduced a racist element to this debate not me.
So as Linesman has pointed out I asked was it like this when we had British Seamen on board & you take that as a Racist comment? So 90% of the population are racist then? the Scots who want Independence are racist then? Have you heard Alex Salmond go on about the English? when an England team of any sport plays another country & they say we've got to beat the French is this racist? You are a liar you have attacked my posts at every opportunity & to have Linesman telling you I'm not racist should tell you your wrong on this one as usually Linesman & I disagree so why is he saying this? because he knows your wrong! How many people out there are now saying British Workers for British jobs? are all of them racist? I wasn't saying that I was asking a question of was it like this when British crew were on board you read a negative into it straight away didn't you Eastleigh girl?
As 'thinklikealocal' appears to have difficulty in understanding the Queen's english, I am beginning to wonder whether english is not his native language. That I should even have such a thought, would that make me racist, bearing in mind the enlish is the first language in many countries ouside of the UK?
I have an excellent command of the english language thanks. No, I do not recall you making any racist comments. Loosehead's ridiculous comparisons and total lack if self awareness continue unabated. Soooo dull......
This was a reply from Linesman yet you attack me? Do you not mean total lack of not "if" you are a joke, do you not remember your post to Ironlady where you talked of quitting posting? where you said I attacked you? I apologised to you if you thought that was what I was doing but since then that's exactly what you've done to me. So you selfish I don't want a pay cut get rid of jobs woman keep up the attacks & lets see how long it will be before you cry to Ironlady again? I've wished most people Merry Christmas but you NO I've been called the best uncle by my niece ( she's mixed race)& I've had many friends of all nationality. I've let a Indian friend stay with me whilst going through marital problems yet you who can't be wrong have the cheek no nerve to call me a racist?
I said your comment was racist. I also said that it may be unintentional or casual i.e. I gave you the benefit of the doubt. YOU are the one who ramps it up, ranting and raving all the time. YOU are the rude one. Another poster, completely nothing to do with me, and on another thread, also felt a comment you made was racist when posting. If you are not a racist, Perhaps you should consider how you word things!
You read racist undertones in my comment but you are so wrong why not do the decent thing & apologise to me?
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.[/p][/quote]Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.[/p][/quote]Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.[/p][/quote]The inference in his post is quite clear.[/p][/quote]There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence. You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.[/p][/quote]Sorry I disagree. Racist behaviour is unacceptable to me on ANY level. Loosehead was the one who introduced a racist element to this debate not me.[/p][/quote]So as Linesman has pointed out I asked was it like this when we had British Seamen on board & you take that as a Racist comment? So 90% of the population are racist then? the Scots who want Independence are racist then? Have you heard Alex Salmond go on about the English? when an England team of any sport plays another country & they say we've got to beat the French is this racist? You are a liar you have attacked my posts at every opportunity & to have Linesman telling you I'm not racist should tell you your wrong on this one as usually Linesman & I disagree so why is he saying this? because he knows your wrong! How many people out there are now saying British Workers for British jobs? are all of them racist? I wasn't saying that I was asking a question of was it like this when British crew were on board you read a negative into it straight away didn't you Eastleigh girl?[/p][/quote]As 'thinklikealocal' appears to have difficulty in understanding the Queen's english, I am beginning to wonder whether english is not his native language. That I should even have such a thought, would that make me racist, bearing in mind the enlish is the first language in many countries ouside of the UK?[/p][/quote]I have an excellent command of the english language thanks. No, I do not recall you making any racist comments. Loosehead's ridiculous comparisons and total lack if self awareness continue unabated. Soooo dull......[/p][/quote]This was a reply from Linesman yet you attack me? Do you not mean total lack of not "if" you are a joke, do you not remember your post to Ironlady where you talked of quitting posting? where you said I attacked you? I apologised to you if you thought that was what I was doing but since then that's exactly what you've done to me. So you selfish I don't want a pay cut get rid of jobs woman keep up the attacks & lets see how long it will be before you cry to Ironlady again? I've wished most people Merry Christmas but you NO I've been called the best uncle by my niece ( she's mixed race)& I've had many friends of all nationality. I've let a Indian friend stay with me whilst going through marital problems yet you who can't be wrong have the cheek no nerve to call me a racist?[/p][/quote]I said your comment was racist. I also said that it may be unintentional or casual i.e. I gave you the benefit of the doubt. YOU are the one who ramps it up, ranting and raving all the time. YOU are the rude one. Another poster, completely nothing to do with me, and on another thread, also felt a comment you made was racist when posting. If you are not a racist, Perhaps you should consider how you word things![/p][/quote]You read racist undertones in my comment but you are so wrong why not do the decent thing & apologise to me? loosehead
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10:05pm Mon 17 Dec 12

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.
Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.
Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.
The inference in his post is quite clear.
There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence. You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.
Sorry I disagree. Racist behaviour is unacceptable to me on ANY level. Loosehead was the one who introduced a racist element to this debate not me.
So as Linesman has pointed out I asked was it like this when we had British Seamen on board & you take that as a Racist comment? So 90% of the population are racist then? the Scots who want Independence are racist then? Have you heard Alex Salmond go on about the English? when an England team of any sport plays another country & they say we've got to beat the French is this racist? You are a liar you have attacked my posts at every opportunity & to have Linesman telling you I'm not racist should tell you your wrong on this one as usually Linesman & I disagree so why is he saying this? because he knows your wrong! How many people out there are now saying British Workers for British jobs? are all of them racist? I wasn't saying that I was asking a question of was it like this when British crew were on board you read a negative into it straight away didn't you Eastleigh girl?
As 'thinklikealocal' appears to have difficulty in understanding the Queen's english, I am beginning to wonder whether english is not his native language. That I should even have such a thought, would that make me racist, bearing in mind the enlish is the first language in many countries ouside of the UK?
I have an excellent command of the english language thanks. No, I do not recall you making any racist comments. Loosehead's ridiculous comparisons and total lack if self awareness continue unabated. Soooo dull......
This was a reply from Linesman yet you attack me? Do you not mean total lack of not "if" you are a joke, do you not remember your post to Ironlady where you talked of quitting posting? where you said I attacked you? I apologised to you if you thought that was what I was doing but since then that's exactly what you've done to me. So you selfish I don't want a pay cut get rid of jobs woman keep up the attacks & lets see how long it will be before you cry to Ironlady again? I've wished most people Merry Christmas but you NO I've been called the best uncle by my niece ( she's mixed race)& I've had many friends of all nationality. I've let a Indian friend stay with me whilst going through marital problems yet you who can't be wrong have the cheek no nerve to call me a racist?
I said your comment was racist. I also said that it may be unintentional or casual i.e. I gave you the benefit of the doubt. YOU are the one who ramps it up, ranting and raving all the time. YOU are the rude one. Another poster, completely nothing to do with me, and on another thread, also felt a comment you made was racist when posting. If you are not a racist, Perhaps you should consider how you word things!
You read racist undertones in my comment but you are so wrong why not do the decent thing & apologise to me?
There were racist undertones in your comment, so, why don't you take ownership of your 'mistake' and apologise to all the hard working and very decent non british employees of P and O.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.[/p][/quote]Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.[/p][/quote]Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.[/p][/quote]The inference in his post is quite clear.[/p][/quote]There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence. You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.[/p][/quote]Sorry I disagree. Racist behaviour is unacceptable to me on ANY level. Loosehead was the one who introduced a racist element to this debate not me.[/p][/quote]So as Linesman has pointed out I asked was it like this when we had British Seamen on board & you take that as a Racist comment? So 90% of the population are racist then? the Scots who want Independence are racist then? Have you heard Alex Salmond go on about the English? when an England team of any sport plays another country & they say we've got to beat the French is this racist? You are a liar you have attacked my posts at every opportunity & to have Linesman telling you I'm not racist should tell you your wrong on this one as usually Linesman & I disagree so why is he saying this? because he knows your wrong! How many people out there are now saying British Workers for British jobs? are all of them racist? I wasn't saying that I was asking a question of was it like this when British crew were on board you read a negative into it straight away didn't you Eastleigh girl?[/p][/quote]As 'thinklikealocal' appears to have difficulty in understanding the Queen's english, I am beginning to wonder whether english is not his native language. That I should even have such a thought, would that make me racist, bearing in mind the enlish is the first language in many countries ouside of the UK?[/p][/quote]I have an excellent command of the english language thanks. No, I do not recall you making any racist comments. Loosehead's ridiculous comparisons and total lack if self awareness continue unabated. Soooo dull......[/p][/quote]This was a reply from Linesman yet you attack me? Do you not mean total lack of not "if" you are a joke, do you not remember your post to Ironlady where you talked of quitting posting? where you said I attacked you? I apologised to you if you thought that was what I was doing but since then that's exactly what you've done to me. So you selfish I don't want a pay cut get rid of jobs woman keep up the attacks & lets see how long it will be before you cry to Ironlady again? I've wished most people Merry Christmas but you NO I've been called the best uncle by my niece ( she's mixed race)& I've had many friends of all nationality. I've let a Indian friend stay with me whilst going through marital problems yet you who can't be wrong have the cheek no nerve to call me a racist?[/p][/quote]I said your comment was racist. I also said that it may be unintentional or casual i.e. I gave you the benefit of the doubt. YOU are the one who ramps it up, ranting and raving all the time. YOU are the rude one. Another poster, completely nothing to do with me, and on another thread, also felt a comment you made was racist when posting. If you are not a racist, Perhaps you should consider how you word things![/p][/quote]You read racist undertones in my comment but you are so wrong why not do the decent thing & apologise to me?[/p][/quote]There were racist undertones in your comment, so, why don't you take ownership of your 'mistake' and apologise to all the hard working and very decent non british employees of P and O. thinklikealocal
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10:58pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Linesman says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Linesman wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.
Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.
Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.
The inference in his post is quite clear.
There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence. You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.
Sorry I disagree. Racist behaviour is unacceptable to me on ANY level. Loosehead was the one who introduced a racist element to this debate not me.
So as Linesman has pointed out I asked was it like this when we had British Seamen on board & you take that as a Racist comment? So 90% of the population are racist then? the Scots who want Independence are racist then? Have you heard Alex Salmond go on about the English? when an England team of any sport plays another country & they say we've got to beat the French is this racist? You are a liar you have attacked my posts at every opportunity & to have Linesman telling you I'm not racist should tell you your wrong on this one as usually Linesman & I disagree so why is he saying this? because he knows your wrong! How many people out there are now saying British Workers for British jobs? are all of them racist? I wasn't saying that I was asking a question of was it like this when British crew were on board you read a negative into it straight away didn't you Eastleigh girl?
As 'thinklikealocal' appears to have difficulty in understanding the Queen's english, I am beginning to wonder whether english is not his native language. That I should even have such a thought, would that make me racist, bearing in mind the enlish is the first language in many countries ouside of the UK?
I have an excellent command of the english language thanks. No, I do not recall you making any racist comments. Loosehead's ridiculous comparisons and total lack if self awareness continue unabated. Soooo dull......
If you have an excellent command of the english language, I fail to see how you could determine that loosehead's post was racist.

It is because of this lack of understanding that I questioned whether english was your first language.
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.[/p][/quote]Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.[/p][/quote]Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.[/p][/quote]The inference in his post is quite clear.[/p][/quote]There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence. You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.[/p][/quote]Sorry I disagree. Racist behaviour is unacceptable to me on ANY level. Loosehead was the one who introduced a racist element to this debate not me.[/p][/quote]So as Linesman has pointed out I asked was it like this when we had British Seamen on board & you take that as a Racist comment? So 90% of the population are racist then? the Scots who want Independence are racist then? Have you heard Alex Salmond go on about the English? when an England team of any sport plays another country & they say we've got to beat the French is this racist? You are a liar you have attacked my posts at every opportunity & to have Linesman telling you I'm not racist should tell you your wrong on this one as usually Linesman & I disagree so why is he saying this? because he knows your wrong! How many people out there are now saying British Workers for British jobs? are all of them racist? I wasn't saying that I was asking a question of was it like this when British crew were on board you read a negative into it straight away didn't you Eastleigh girl?[/p][/quote]As 'thinklikealocal' appears to have difficulty in understanding the Queen's english, I am beginning to wonder whether english is not his native language. That I should even have such a thought, would that make me racist, bearing in mind the enlish is the first language in many countries ouside of the UK?[/p][/quote]I have an excellent command of the english language thanks. No, I do not recall you making any racist comments. Loosehead's ridiculous comparisons and total lack if self awareness continue unabated. Soooo dull......[/p][/quote]If you have an excellent command of the english language, I fail to see how you could determine that loosehead's post was racist. It is because of this lack of understanding that I questioned whether english was your first language. Linesman
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2:17am Tue 8 Jan 13

Pikey-Biker says...

loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
Racist.
What the hells that? My wife's Thai & you dare call me racist? Let me give you a history lesson! John Prescott was head of the seamans Union he was given a free holiday by a cruise company at the same time he/the union signed over thousands of British jobs the Dockies hanged him from his ankles over the edge of the dock in Southampton. He sold average paid jobs for a holiday & went on to become deputy leader of the Labour Party. These workers they have on board now knew they were replacing British jobs & were happy enough to work for the pay they're now on one reason I don't agree with the RMT union. I'm quite annoyed you could even come out with that statement I feel you owe me a huge apology or else be ready for every insult I can throw at a "LADY"?
It’s surprising what you can buy on the internet these days
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?[/p][/quote]Racist.[/p][/quote]What the hells that? My wife's Thai & you dare call me racist? Let me give you a history lesson! John Prescott was head of the seamans Union he was given a free holiday by a cruise company at the same time he/the union signed over thousands of British jobs the Dockies hanged him from his ankles over the edge of the dock in Southampton. He sold average paid jobs for a holiday & went on to become deputy leader of the Labour Party. These workers they have on board now knew they were replacing British jobs & were happy enough to work for the pay they're now on one reason I don't agree with the RMT union. I'm quite annoyed you could even come out with that statement I feel you owe me a huge apology or else be ready for every insult I can throw at a "LADY"?[/p][/quote]It’s surprising what you can buy on the internet these days Pikey-Biker
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