Second P&O ship in norovirus alert (From Daily Echo)
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New norovirus outbreak on Azura after 417 cases reported on board Oriana
9:00am Saturday 15th December 2012 in Shipping
Exclusive By Luke Tugby, Senior reporter
Passenger ship Azura in Southampton water.
It is a picture that paints a thousand angry words.
Scores of furious cruise passengers stand together in a mutiny against the captain of a Southampton-based cruise ship.
Angry and ill holidaymakers crammed into corridors and lined stairways on board the P&O ship Oriana to vent their disgust, after norovirus swept through the luxury liner.
And it was revealed last night that passengers on board another P&O liner, Azura, had also reported symptoms of the virus.
It is understood that around 10 cases were reported on board the ship, which docked in Southampton at 6am this morning.
As previously reported, attractions and restaurants were closed and entertainment cancelled on board Oriana, after 417 of the 1,800 people on board contracted the highly-contagious sickness and diarrhoea bug.
It left scores of passengers facing daunting medical bills of up £3,500, while many were confined to their cabins, unable to see some of the Baltic cities on the cruise including Amsterdam, Copenhagen and Oslo.
It even led some holidaymakers to compare the experience to being in prison.
But yesterday - just hours after the final passengers disembarked the stricken ship - P&O bosses said it had been deep cleaned and given the all clear by Southampton's Port Health Authority to allow hundreds of new passengers on board, ahead of a 23-night Mediterranean cruise.
Bosses at P&O Cruises, which is owned by parent company Carnival, yesterday issued a grovelling apology to passengers and pledged to refund all medical expenses they incurred while on board.
But many upset passengers say it is not enough and have vowed to lodge bids for further compensation, after claiming their holiday was “ruined”.
One passenger, Dave Stringer, 57, a retired station officer for the West Midlands Fire Service, was confined to his cabin for two days after being struck down by the virus. He organised a number of mass meetings between passengers during the 10-day cruise, before eventually being invited to speak to Captain Robert Camby on Thursday.
Mr Stringer said: “He told me his job was on the bridge and that he didn't have time to speak to passengers. I said: 'that's very well, but there are people here with questions they want answering.
“He was unhappy that we had been holding meetings in communal areas. Other staff overheard what was said and there were shouts of 'we want the captain.'
“He must have seen that as a threat and because it was his first time as captain, I think he got a little scared. He said to me: 'please don't storm the bridge.'
Mr Stringer added that it was “a totally miserable cruise from start to finish” and claimed that he waited more than four hours for room service when he was confined to his cabin.
Mary Ellcone, 66, from Portsmouth, who was travelling with her partner, John Cross, 74, described it as “the holiday from hell”.
She added: “They left us letters when we got on board explaining about norovirus and that procedures were in place. The fact that they knew it was on board before we got on and still let the ship sail is terrible.
“The one trip we wanted to go on more than any other was to Copenhagen to see the Christmas market and we had to cancel that.”
Pete Baker, 67, from Grantham, in Lincolnshire, told how he thought his wife Carol was having a heart attack when she was struck down by the virus.
Mr Baker said: “We set sail on the Tuesday and on the Thursday we went to the theatre and three-quarters of the way through the performance my wife collapsed in the chair.
“I thought she was having a heart attack or a stroke. It was terrifying. The next thing I know she started vomiting.”
Mrs Baker was taken to the medical unit on board the ship, before returning to her cabin with her husband.
But she said their room was not thoroughly sanitised by P&O staff - and compared the room service to life in prison.
Mrs Baker said: “You would wait for hours to get something to eat and when it eventually came it was awful. I've never been to prison but I'm sure they get better meals there.
“You were made to feel like you were an inconvenience to them. They couldn't cope with it.”
Sandra Pearce, 56, whose husband Dennis contracted the virus, said: “We could hear people vomiting in other cabins next door and above. All you could hear was people crying and screaming.”
Mavis Miell, 71, and her husband Robert, 71, from Shirley, have been on 14 previous cruises with P&O, six of which were on board Oriana - but are now reluctant to travel with the firm again.
Mrs Miell said: “The room staff worked their socks off, but we have seen very little of the official crew or the captain.
“We heard him a few times on the tannoy and he said the embarking passengers brought the virus on board, which put a lot of people's backs up.”
Another Southampton couple, Vanessa Herrington, 30, and Chris Meadows, 28, said they would be appealing for compensation after forking out £599 each for the cruise.
Vanessa revealed that she was charged £35 just for a doctor to come and visit her in her cabin.
And she revealed how another passenger, who passed out in a public toilet on board, had been left with a medical bill of £3,500 for his treatment.
Vanessa said: “Stewards would come in dressed in plastic aprons, gloves, masks, but they would only wipe over the fronts of wardrobes and clean the bathroom. It was so lax.
“They wouldn't clean things you touch with your fingers like light switches and telephones - that's not going to help the situation.”
- Oriana last night departed the city at 8pm for the three week cruise that will return in the first week of January.
Comments(65)
hulla baloo
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9:16am Sat 15 Dec 12
More like a picture that says kerching, we want free cruise.
soton mess
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9:23am Sat 15 Dec 12
mrblunt
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9:33am Sat 15 Dec 12
Perhaps they were elsewhere on the ship enjoying themselves and keeping well away from these people in case they caught the compensation bug.
Doctor GP
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9:52am Sat 15 Dec 12
soton mess wrote:I also work at sea and totally agree with you.
I used to work for P&O and worked on over a 100 cruises and there was outbreaks of Noro Virus when I was working on Oceana, Arcadia & Ventura. I never got affected. The reason why passengers are more affected than the crew is we follow all instructions regarding hygiene, like using the hand gel that is all over the ship. I've seen plenty of passengers not take notice of advice. Plus it would of been an individual that was not fit to travel that brought the virus onboard. Passengers are meant to be honest when filling out the health questionnaire before embarking. Obviously one dishonest passenger has caused this. P&O can only react when an outbreak does happen. I'm not saying P&O are perfect, thats a different discussion.
I had this bug at home and certainly didn't have the energy to attend meetings, storm the bridge or run around the passageways complaining to all and sundry. In fact all of the above would have spread the bug further!
SOLENTDRIFTER
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10:06am Sat 15 Dec 12
Cyber__Fug
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10:07am Sat 15 Dec 12
http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/health-2073737
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The Wickham Man
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10:07am Sat 15 Dec 12
It would be better if the Echo's reporting reflected this and stopped pandering to the complainers.
Norwegian Saint
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10:10am Sat 15 Dec 12
(Only down side are the prices in Norway, it's not cheap)
Abbey Saint
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10:22am Sat 15 Dec 12
10 Minute Man
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10:54am Sat 15 Dec 12
Mary80
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11:18am Sat 15 Dec 12
Abbey Saint
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11:22am Sat 15 Dec 12
The Echo are chasing sales using sensationalist headlines backed by shoddy reporting unworthy of true journalism. Mind you, we get the press we deserve, so it doesn't say much about the average reader either, does it?
loosehead
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12:13pm Sat 15 Dec 12
News Fanatic
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12:24pm Sat 15 Dec 12
richieroo
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1:07pm Sat 15 Dec 12
Not my idea of a good holiday lol!.
andysaints007
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1:09pm Sat 15 Dec 12
loosehead wrote:Its only been around since the 70's and probably wasn't 'global' back then!
I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
thinklikealocal
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1:20pm Sat 15 Dec 12
loosehead wrote:Racist.
I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
peenut81
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1:25pm Sat 15 Dec 12
As an ex cruise ship worker and regular holiday maker on cruises, i got no sympathy for this bunch of idiots, wash your hands, don't over indulge and don't organise public meetings demanding the captain, (you want the hospitality director). I Notice the majority of whingers are the baby boomer generation, the most pampered and spoilt generation in the entire human experience and yet so many seem to have a massive sense of entitlement.
espanuel
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1:44pm Sat 15 Dec 12
Teucer2000
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1:48pm Sat 15 Dec 12
Dr Alimantado
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3:06pm Sat 15 Dec 12
gristle
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3:33pm Sat 15 Dec 12
loosehead
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3:47pm Sat 15 Dec 12
thinklikealocal wrote:What the hells that?
loosehead wrote:Racist.
I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
My wife's Thai & you dare call me racist?
Let me give you a history lesson! John Prescott was head of the seamans Union he was given a free holiday by a cruise company at the same time he/the union signed over thousands of British jobs the Dockies hanged him from his ankles over the edge of the dock in Southampton.
He sold average paid jobs for a holiday & went on to become deputy leader of the Labour Party.
These workers they have on board now knew they were replacing British jobs & were happy enough to work for the pay they're now on one reason I don't agree with the RMT union.
I'm quite annoyed you could even come out with that statement I feel you owe me a huge apology or else be ready for every insult I can throw at a "LADY"?
loosehead
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3:51pm Sat 15 Dec 12
espanuel wrote:My friend is a captain aboard a ship he too is married to a Thai Lady yet he says the hygiene has dropped since they lost British Seamen.
Loosehead, P.O have been employing Goenese crew for many years as somebody has said this has only been happening in the last 30years. Why I dont know. I was crew on many a cruise in the sixties and we never had this trouble then. (To many people in a confined space one get sick and the rest follow?)
you get what you pay for & with the British Seamen/Women you got a crew that loved the live & didn't just see it as a way to earn a dollar or two so I guess like you they were proud of their ship & the job they did
thinklikealocal
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4:02pm Sat 15 Dec 12
loosehead wrote:Your comment was racist.
thinklikealocal wrote:What the hells that? My wife's Thai & you dare call me racist? Let me give you a history lesson! John Prescott was head of the seamans Union he was given a free holiday by a cruise company at the same time he/the union signed over thousands of British jobs the Dockies hanged him from his ankles over the edge of the dock in Southampton. He sold average paid jobs for a holiday & went on to become deputy leader of the Labour Party. These workers they have on board now knew they were replacing British jobs & were happy enough to work for the pay they're now on one reason I don't agree with the RMT union. I'm quite annoyed you could even come out with that statement I feel you owe me a huge apology or else be ready for every insult I can throw at a "LADY"?loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?Racist.
thinklikealocal
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4:06pm Sat 15 Dec 12
peenut81 wrote:Here here.
Luke Tugby did you send a copy of this excellent piece of trash writing to the Murdoch press? I'm sure they would snap you up when they realise how bias and shoddy your writing is... As an ex cruise ship worker and regular holiday maker on cruises, i got no sympathy for this bunch of idiots, wash your hands, don't over indulge and don't organise public meetings demanding the captain, (you want the hospitality director). I Notice the majority of whingers are the baby boomer generation, the most pampered and spoilt generation in the entire human experience and yet so many seem to have a massive sense of entitlement.
Linesman
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4:15pm Sat 15 Dec 12
hulla baloo wrote:And if it was you that was spewing your ring up and 'cacking your breeks', my betting is that you would be one of the first ones to be loudly yelling that you wanted another cruise for free.
''It is a picture that paints a thousand angry words''
More like a picture that says kerching, we want free cruise.
This is the Second P&O cruise ship hit by the bug.
Is that just coincidence, or has P&O got a problem, because I have not read any reports of any other lines suffering the same problems.
Linesman
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4:17pm Sat 15 Dec 12
thinklikealocal wrote:Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.
loosehead wrote:Racist.
I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?
thinklikealocal
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4:30pm Sat 15 Dec 12
Linesman wrote:Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.
thinklikealocal wrote:Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?Racist.
loosehead
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4:50pm Sat 15 Dec 12
thinklikealocal wrote:Exactly how was it racist?
loosehead wrote:Your comment was racist.
thinklikealocal wrote:What the hells that? My wife's Thai & you dare call me racist? Let me give you a history lesson! John Prescott was head of the seamans Union he was given a free holiday by a cruise company at the same time he/the union signed over thousands of British jobs the Dockies hanged him from his ankles over the edge of the dock in Southampton. He sold average paid jobs for a holiday & went on to become deputy leader of the Labour Party. These workers they have on board now knew they were replacing British jobs & were happy enough to work for the pay they're now on one reason I don't agree with the RMT union. I'm quite annoyed you could even come out with that statement I feel you owe me a huge apology or else be ready for every insult I can throw at a "LADY"?loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?Racist.
These people took on work at considerably lower pay than the ones doing it.
In other words they undercut the people doing a B+oody Good job.
if you take people on from abroad YES they'll do as you ask but is their hearts in it?
It was a way of life for many British crew & as My DAD my Two brothers were both on the ships I know they took great pride in their jobs until they were sold out by Prescott
loosehead
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4:53pm Sat 15 Dec 12
thinklikealocal wrote:Do you think the cruise line were racist?
Linesman wrote:Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.
thinklikealocal wrote:Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?Racist.
They did away with British workers for cheap foreign labour so doesn't that mean they gave the jobs according to race?
thinklikealocal
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4:55pm Sat 15 Dec 12
loosehead wrote:Instead of 'ranting' and somehow trying to link the outbreak of Novovirus on Oriana with something John Prescott did god knows how long ago, why don't you read what you wrote and have a think about it. Some people think all Thai women are prostitutes but I would be the first to disagree with them because to group people together by their race and nationality and categorise them as this and that is ridiculous and racist. I'm sure you would agree! if you wife is of another Nationality I'm surprised you are not more careful about slagging people off because of their race/nationality, and don't say you weren't cos you were! Have a think about it!
thinklikealocal wrote:What the hells that? My wife's Thai & you dare call me racist? Let me give you a history lesson! John Prescott was head of the seamans Union he was given a free holiday by a cruise company at the same time he/the union signed over thousands of British jobs the Dockies hanged him from his ankles over the edge of the dock in Southampton. He sold average paid jobs for a holiday & went on to become deputy leader of the Labour Party. These workers they have on board now knew they were replacing British jobs & were happy enough to work for the pay they're now on one reason I don't agree with the RMT union. I'm quite annoyed you could even come out with that statement I feel you owe me a huge apology or else be ready for every insult I can throw at a "LADY"?loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?Racist.
Sotonianman
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4:55pm Sat 15 Dec 12
Compensation culture is what this is really all about.
thinklikealocal
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5:05pm Sat 15 Dec 12
loosehead wrote:What they did was in their best commercial, financial and operating interests. Would any british workers have applied? If they did and never got hired and all else was equal then yes P and O would be guilty of racism I'm afraid yours is rather a facile argument. I am sure you are not a racist in the sense of the BNP but you were making a racist comment.
thinklikealocal wrote:Do you think the cruise line were racist? They did away with British workers for cheap foreign labour so doesn't that mean they gave the jobs according to race?Linesman wrote:Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.thinklikealocal wrote:Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?Racist.
loosehead
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5:07pm Sat 15 Dec 12
thinklikealocal wrote:Please call her that but at the same time publish your name so I can sue you!
loosehead wrote:Instead of 'ranting' and somehow trying to link the outbreak of Novovirus on Oriana with something John Prescott did god knows how long ago, why don't you read what you wrote and have a think about it. Some people think all Thai women are prostitutes but I would be the first to disagree with them because to group people together by their race and nationality and categorise them as this and that is ridiculous and racist. I'm sure you would agree! if you wife is of another Nationality I'm surprised you are not more careful about slagging people off because of their race/nationality, and don't say you weren't cos you were! Have a think about it!
thinklikealocal wrote:What the hells that? My wife's Thai & you dare call me racist? Let me give you a history lesson! John Prescott was head of the seamans Union he was given a free holiday by a cruise company at the same time he/the union signed over thousands of British jobs the Dockies hanged him from his ankles over the edge of the dock in Southampton. He sold average paid jobs for a holiday & went on to become deputy leader of the Labour Party. These workers they have on board now knew they were replacing British jobs & were happy enough to work for the pay they're now on one reason I don't agree with the RMT union. I'm quite annoyed you could even come out with that statement I feel you owe me a huge apology or else be ready for every insult I can throw at a "LADY"?loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?Racist.
As I've tried to tell you ( talking to a brick wall) this never happened back when we had British crews ,now if it was because there was no such disease answer me this.Why is it they bought on cleaners & did a thorough clean & then sailed that night?
Why wasn't the ship cleaned properly & a high hygiene standard maintained art sea? as this did happen ( high standard) before the British seamen were removed by the Racist Cruise companies
thinklikealocal
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5:08pm Sat 15 Dec 12
loosehead wrote:No.
thinklikealocal wrote:Do you think the cruise line were racist? They did away with British workers for cheap foreign labour so doesn't that mean they gave the jobs according to race?Linesman wrote:Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.thinklikealocal wrote:Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?Racist.
thinklikealocal
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5:17pm Sat 15 Dec 12
loosehead wrote:Yet again rant before read properly. I was stating that I defend people like your wife who are so often the unfair victims of casual and implied racism. You demand tell me this, answer that. Who do you think you are? I don't answer to you. A couple of clues as to why this is a bigger problem than it used to be. 1. Even if it happened 40 years ago you would't have had mr mrs hard done by from awfulville splattered all over the front page of the media (they had proper journalists and stories then - the media a true example of declining standards must be all those foreign journalists). 2. 20 x more people go on cruises...... 3. The world is a different place, well for those of us who don't live in the past unlike you!
thinklikealocal wrote:Please call her that but at the same time publish your name so I can sue you! As I've tried to tell you ( talking to a brick wall) this never happened back when we had British crews ,now if it was because there was no such disease answer me this.Why is it they bought on cleaners & did a thorough clean & then sailed that night? Why wasn't the ship cleaned properly & a high hygiene standard maintained art sea? as this did happen ( high standard) before the British seamen were removed by the Racist Cruise companiesloosehead wrote:Instead of 'ranting' and somehow trying to link the outbreak of Novovirus on Oriana with something John Prescott did god knows how long ago, why don't you read what you wrote and have a think about it. Some people think all Thai women are prostitutes but I would be the first to disagree with them because to group people together by their race and nationality and categorise them as this and that is ridiculous and racist. I'm sure you would agree! if you wife is of another Nationality I'm surprised you are not more careful about slagging people off because of their race/nationality, and don't say you weren't cos you were! Have a think about it!thinklikealocal wrote:What the hells that? My wife's Thai & you dare call me racist? Let me give you a history lesson! John Prescott was head of the seamans Union he was given a free holiday by a cruise company at the same time he/the union signed over thousands of British jobs the Dockies hanged him from his ankles over the edge of the dock in Southampton. He sold average paid jobs for a holiday & went on to become deputy leader of the Labour Party. These workers they have on board now knew they were replacing British jobs & were happy enough to work for the pay they're now on one reason I don't agree with the RMT union. I'm quite annoyed you could even come out with that statement I feel you owe me a huge apology or else be ready for every insult I can throw at a "LADY"?loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?Racist.
andysaints007
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5:28pm Sat 15 Dec 12
thinklikealocal wrote:loosehead don't waste your time with that dic*khead
loosehead wrote:Yet again rant before read properly. I was stating that I defend people like your wife who are so often the unfair victims of casual and implied racism. You demand tell me this, answer that. Who do you think you are? I don't answer to you. A couple of clues as to why this is a bigger problem than it used to be. 1. Even if it happened 40 years ago you would't have had mr mrs hard done by from awfulville splattered all over the front page of the media (they had proper journalists and stories then - the media a true example of declining standards must be all those foreign journalists). 2. 20 x more people go on cruises...... 3. The world is a different place, well for those of us who don't live in the past unlike you!
thinklikealocal wrote:Please call her that but at the same time publish your name so I can sue you! As I've tried to tell you ( talking to a brick wall) this never happened back when we had British crews ,now if it was because there was no such disease answer me this.Why is it they bought on cleaners & did a thorough clean & then sailed that night? Why wasn't the ship cleaned properly & a high hygiene standard maintained art sea? as this did happen ( high standard) before the British seamen were removed by the Racist Cruise companiesloosehead wrote:Instead of 'ranting' and somehow trying to link the outbreak of Novovirus on Oriana with something John Prescott did god knows how long ago, why don't you read what you wrote and have a think about it. Some people think all Thai women are prostitutes but I would be the first to disagree with them because to group people together by their race and nationality and categorise them as this and that is ridiculous and racist. I'm sure you would agree! if you wife is of another Nationality I'm surprised you are not more careful about slagging people off because of their race/nationality, and don't say you weren't cos you were! Have a think about it!thinklikealocal wrote:What the hells that? My wife's Thai & you dare call me racist? Let me give you a history lesson! John Prescott was head of the seamans Union he was given a free holiday by a cruise company at the same time he/the union signed over thousands of British jobs the Dockies hanged him from his ankles over the edge of the dock in Southampton. He sold average paid jobs for a holiday & went on to become deputy leader of the Labour Party. These workers they have on board now knew they were replacing British jobs & were happy enough to work for the pay they're now on one reason I don't agree with the RMT union. I'm quite annoyed you could even come out with that statement I feel you owe me a huge apology or else be ready for every insult I can throw at a "LADY"?loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?Racist.
Linesman
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6:24pm Sat 15 Dec 12
thinklikealocal wrote:So, you agree with me. P&O put profits before the welfare of passengers.
loosehead wrote:What they did was in their best commercial, financial and operating interests. Would any british workers have applied? If they did and never got hired and all else was equal then yes P and O would be guilty of racism I'm afraid yours is rather a facile argument. I am sure you are not a racist in the sense of the BNP but you were making a racist comment.
thinklikealocal wrote:Do you think the cruise line were racist? They did away with British workers for cheap foreign labour so doesn't that mean they gave the jobs according to race?Linesman wrote:Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.thinklikealocal wrote:Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?Racist.
loosehead
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9:06pm Sat 15 Dec 12
andysaints007 wrote:Are you calling me names?
thinklikealocal wrote:loosehead don't waste your time with that dic*khead
loosehead wrote:Yet again rant before read properly. I was stating that I defend people like your wife who are so often the unfair victims of casual and implied racism. You demand tell me this, answer that. Who do you think you are? I don't answer to you. A couple of clues as to why this is a bigger problem than it used to be. 1. Even if it happened 40 years ago you would't have had mr mrs hard done by from awfulville splattered all over the front page of the media (they had proper journalists and stories then - the media a true example of declining standards must be all those foreign journalists). 2. 20 x more people go on cruises...... 3. The world is a different place, well for those of us who don't live in the past unlike you!
thinklikealocal wrote:Please call her that but at the same time publish your name so I can sue you! As I've tried to tell you ( talking to a brick wall) this never happened back when we had British crews ,now if it was because there was no such disease answer me this.Why is it they bought on cleaners & did a thorough clean & then sailed that night? Why wasn't the ship cleaned properly & a high hygiene standard maintained art sea? as this did happen ( high standard) before the British seamen were removed by the Racist Cruise companiesloosehead wrote:Instead of 'ranting' and somehow trying to link the outbreak of Novovirus on Oriana with something John Prescott did god knows how long ago, why don't you read what you wrote and have a think about it. Some people think all Thai women are prostitutes but I would be the first to disagree with them because to group people together by their race and nationality and categorise them as this and that is ridiculous and racist. I'm sure you would agree! if you wife is of another Nationality I'm surprised you are not more careful about slagging people off because of their race/nationality, and don't say you weren't cos you were! Have a think about it!thinklikealocal wrote:What the hells that? My wife's Thai & you dare call me racist? Let me give you a history lesson! John Prescott was head of the seamans Union he was given a free holiday by a cruise company at the same time he/the union signed over thousands of British jobs the Dockies hanged him from his ankles over the edge of the dock in Southampton. He sold average paid jobs for a holiday & went on to become deputy leader of the Labour Party. These workers they have on board now knew they were replacing British jobs & were happy enough to work for the pay they're now on one reason I don't agree with the RMT union. I'm quite annoyed you could even come out with that statement I feel you owe me a huge apology or else be ready for every insult I can throw at a "LADY"?loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?Racist.
loosehead
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9:27pm Sat 15 Dec 12
Linesman wrote:I agree with you!
thinklikealocal wrote:So, you agree with me. P&O put profits before the welfare of passengers.
loosehead wrote:What they did was in their best commercial, financial and operating interests. Would any british workers have applied? If they did and never got hired and all else was equal then yes P and O would be guilty of racism I'm afraid yours is rather a facile argument. I am sure you are not a racist in the sense of the BNP but you were making a racist comment.
thinklikealocal wrote:Do you think the cruise line were racist? They did away with British workers for cheap foreign labour so doesn't that mean they gave the jobs according to race?Linesman wrote:Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.thinklikealocal wrote:Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?Racist.
bigfella777
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10:48pm Sat 15 Dec 12
Eric Pickles
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11:55pm Sat 15 Dec 12
bigfella777 wrote:"Simple" being the operative word in your post !
The virus comes from the 3rd world crew , simple as that.
loosehead
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8:20am Sun 16 Dec 12
Now either we come up with a medical check that can be done before passengers board or the cleaning must be improved as surely if this was getting "deep" cleaned on the cruise this bug wouldn't survive would it?
alan.of.eastleigh
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10:03am Sun 16 Dec 12
loosehead wrote:You can deep clean as much as you like but if people don't observe simple personal hygiene issues norovirus will spread. For some reason people think the sanitisers do not apply to them and you'd be amazed at the number of men who leave the washrooms without washing their hands. Looking at the pictures this cruise was populated by an older age group who will touch handrails etc for balance more than younger people. And the the idea of having a mass protest in the stairwells clearly would not have helped. Well done mr Stringer!!
In hospitals we've blamed the increase of different types of bugs on hygiene & hospitals have ( should) improved on their hygiene yet we see now two ships from the same company having this bug & coming into port having a deep clean & sailing again on the same day?
Now either we come up with a medical check that can be done before passengers board or the cleaning must be improved as surely if this was getting "deep" cleaned on the cruise this bug wouldn't survive would it?
Linesman
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10:33am Sun 16 Dec 12
thinklikealocal wrote:Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen.
Linesman wrote:Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.
thinklikealocal wrote:Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?Racist.
If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.
phil maccavity
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6:13pm Sun 16 Dec 12
Linesman wrote:P&O have had a long tradition of employing Indian and Goanese crew going back before the Novavirus was first identified as a type of winter stomach bug in 1968. At that time it was called the 'Norwark' strain.
thinklikealocal wrote:Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen.
Linesman wrote:Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.
thinklikealocal wrote:Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?Racist.
If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.
Every cruise line has the problem (Fred Olsen and RCCL have been mentioned in the travel press recently) as do Hotels, Hospitals, Universities and most other places where a lot of people congregate.
Hygene onboard Cruise ships is taken far more seriously nowadays than in the past and each major port has a Port Health Authority who are very alert to the issues.
As has been said in earlier posts, if people were more scrupulous with their personal hygiene this would help but it is unlikely to eliminate the problem.
Unfortunately the Novavirus is a very resistant strain of stomach bug which has the ability to evolve over the passage of time.
I feel sorry for the people who suffer. It is not a pleasant experience
thinklikealocal
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7:00pm Sun 16 Dec 12
Linesman wrote:No I don't and where is your evidence for making such a statement?
thinklikealocal wrote:So, you agree with me. P&O put profits before the welfare of passengers.loosehead wrote:What they did was in their best commercial, financial and operating interests. Would any british workers have applied? If they did and never got hired and all else was equal then yes P and O would be guilty of racism I'm afraid yours is rather a facile argument. I am sure you are not a racist in the sense of the BNP but you were making a racist comment.thinklikealocal wrote:Do you think the cruise line were racist? They did away with British workers for cheap foreign labour so doesn't that mean they gave the jobs according to race?Linesman wrote:Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.thinklikealocal wrote:Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?Racist.
thinklikealocal
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9:47pm Sun 16 Dec 12
Linesman wrote:The inference in his post is quite clear.
thinklikealocal wrote:Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.Linesman wrote:Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.thinklikealocal wrote:Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?Racist.
Linesman
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11:06pm Sun 16 Dec 12
thinklikealocal wrote:"What they did was in their best commercial, financial and operating interests."
Linesman wrote:No I don't and where is your evidence for making such a statement?
thinklikealocal wrote:So, you agree with me. P&O put profits before the welfare of passengers.loosehead wrote:What they did was in their best commercial, financial and operating interests. Would any british workers have applied? If they did and never got hired and all else was equal then yes P and O would be guilty of racism I'm afraid yours is rather a facile argument. I am sure you are not a racist in the sense of the BNP but you were making a racist comment.thinklikealocal wrote:Do you think the cruise line were racist? They did away with British workers for cheap foreign labour so doesn't that mean they gave the jobs according to race?Linesman wrote:Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.thinklikealocal wrote:Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?Racist.
That is what you stated.
You made no claim that it was in the best interests and welfare of their passengers.
I said, "So, you agree with me. P&O put profits before the welfare of passengers."
That is why I made the statement, because it reflects on what you had said.
Linesman
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11:07pm Sun 16 Dec 12
thinklikealocal wrote:There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence.
Linesman wrote:The inference in his post is quite clear.
thinklikealocal wrote:Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.Linesman wrote:Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.thinklikealocal wrote:Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?Racist.
You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.
thinklikealocal
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6:49am Mon 17 Dec 12
Linesman wrote:No because I do not believe the changes referred to have in any way contributed to the current situation. As usual you are twisting and turning taking the answer to one question and applying it a different question. You really are quite ridiculous.
thinklikealocal wrote:"What they did was in their best commercial, financial and operating interests." That is what you stated. You made no claim that it was in the best interests and welfare of their passengers. I said, "So, you agree with me. P&O put profits before the welfare of passengers." That is why I made the statement, because it reflects on what you had said.Linesman wrote:No I don't and where is your evidence for making such a statement?thinklikealocal wrote:So, you agree with me. P&O put profits before the welfare of passengers.loosehead wrote:What they did was in their best commercial, financial and operating interests. Would any british workers have applied? If they did and never got hired and all else was equal then yes P and O would be guilty of racism I'm afraid yours is rather a facile argument. I am sure you are not a racist in the sense of the BNP but you were making a racist comment.thinklikealocal wrote:Do you think the cruise line were racist? They did away with British workers for cheap foreign labour so doesn't that mean they gave the jobs according to race?Linesman wrote:Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.thinklikealocal wrote:Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?Racist.
thinklikealocal
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6:57am Mon 17 Dec 12
Linesman wrote:Sorry I disagree. Racist behaviour is unacceptable to me on ANY level. Loosehead was the one who introduced a racist element to this debate not me.
thinklikealocal wrote:There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence. You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.Linesman wrote:The inference in his post is quite clear.thinklikealocal wrote:Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.Linesman wrote:Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.thinklikealocal wrote:Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?Racist.
Linesman
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9:39am Mon 17 Dec 12
That's a laugh.
It is you that claimed P&O took the decision to make the changes for the best commercial, financial and operating interests, and it you that is now 'twisting and turning'.
Perhaps you could explain how those changes were in the passengers best interests - although I very much doubt it.
I suppose you also think that it was in the passengers best interests that both the Oriana and Azura are now registered in Bermuda and not in Southampton.
Linesman
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9:44am Mon 17 Dec 12
thinklikealocal wrote:I note that, with your blinkered view.
Linesman wrote:Sorry I disagree. Racist behaviour is unacceptable to me on ANY level. Loosehead was the one who introduced a racist element to this debate not me.
thinklikealocal wrote:There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence. You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.Linesman wrote:The inference in his post is quite clear.thinklikealocal wrote:Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.Linesman wrote:Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.thinklikealocal wrote:Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?Racist.
Loosehead stated that he could not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen.
I asked you if you could remember similar cases on ships fully crewed by British seamen, but you prefer not to answer, but go off on a different tangent.
If you can recall such a case or cases, then let us know. If not, accept Loosehead's comment in the way that it was stated.
loosehead
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9:53am Mon 17 Dec 12
thinklikealocal wrote:So as Linesman has pointed out I asked was it like this when we had British Seamen on board & you take that as a Racist comment?
Linesman wrote:Sorry I disagree. Racist behaviour is unacceptable to me on ANY level. Loosehead was the one who introduced a racist element to this debate not me.
thinklikealocal wrote:There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence. You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.Linesman wrote:The inference in his post is quite clear.thinklikealocal wrote:Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.Linesman wrote:Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.thinklikealocal wrote:Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?Racist.
So 90% of the population are racist then?
the Scots who want Independence are racist then? Have you heard Alex Salmond go on about the English?
when an England team of any sport plays another country & they say we've got to beat the French is this racist?
You are a liar you have attacked my posts at every opportunity & to have Linesman telling you I'm not racist should tell you your wrong on this one as usually Linesman & I disagree so why is he saying this? because he knows your wrong!
How many people out there are now saying British Workers for British jobs? are all of them racist?
I wasn't saying that I was asking a question of was it like this when British crew were on board you read a negative into it straight away didn't you Eastleigh girl?
Linesman
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11:26am Mon 17 Dec 12
loosehead wrote:As 'thinklikealocal' appears to have difficulty in understanding the Queen's english, I am beginning to wonder whether english is not his native language.
thinklikealocal wrote:So as Linesman has pointed out I asked was it like this when we had British Seamen on board & you take that as a Racist comment?
Linesman wrote:Sorry I disagree. Racist behaviour is unacceptable to me on ANY level. Loosehead was the one who introduced a racist element to this debate not me.
thinklikealocal wrote:There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence. You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.Linesman wrote:The inference in his post is quite clear.thinklikealocal wrote:Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.Linesman wrote:Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.thinklikealocal wrote:Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?Racist.
So 90% of the population are racist then?
the Scots who want Independence are racist then? Have you heard Alex Salmond go on about the English?
when an England team of any sport plays another country & they say we've got to beat the French is this racist?
You are a liar you have attacked my posts at every opportunity & to have Linesman telling you I'm not racist should tell you your wrong on this one as usually Linesman & I disagree so why is he saying this? because he knows your wrong!
How many people out there are now saying British Workers for British jobs? are all of them racist?
I wasn't saying that I was asking a question of was it like this when British crew were on board you read a negative into it straight away didn't you Eastleigh girl?
That I should even have such a thought, would that make me racist, bearing in mind the enlish is the first language in many countries ouside of the UK?
thinklikealocal
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5:28pm Mon 17 Dec 12
Linesman wrote:I have an excellent command of the english language thanks. No, I do not recall you making any racist comments. Loosehead's ridiculous comparisons and total lack if self awareness continue unabated. Soooo dull......
loosehead wrote:As 'thinklikealocal' appears to have difficulty in understanding the Queen's english, I am beginning to wonder whether english is not his native language. That I should even have such a thought, would that make me racist, bearing in mind the enlish is the first language in many countries ouside of the UK?thinklikealocal wrote:So as Linesman has pointed out I asked was it like this when we had British Seamen on board & you take that as a Racist comment? So 90% of the population are racist then? the Scots who want Independence are racist then? Have you heard Alex Salmond go on about the English? when an England team of any sport plays another country & they say we've got to beat the French is this racist? You are a liar you have attacked my posts at every opportunity & to have Linesman telling you I'm not racist should tell you your wrong on this one as usually Linesman & I disagree so why is he saying this? because he knows your wrong! How many people out there are now saying British Workers for British jobs? are all of them racist? I wasn't saying that I was asking a question of was it like this when British crew were on board you read a negative into it straight away didn't you Eastleigh girl?Linesman wrote:Sorry I disagree. Racist behaviour is unacceptable to me on ANY level. Loosehead was the one who introduced a racist element to this debate not me.thinklikealocal wrote:There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence. You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.Linesman wrote:The inference in his post is quite clear.thinklikealocal wrote:Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.Linesman wrote:Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.thinklikealocal wrote:Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?Racist.
loosehead
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6:26pm Mon 17 Dec 12
thinklikealocal wrote:This was a reply from Linesman yet you attack me?
Linesman wrote:I have an excellent command of the english language thanks. No, I do not recall you making any racist comments. Loosehead's ridiculous comparisons and total lack if self awareness continue unabated. Soooo dull......
loosehead wrote:As 'thinklikealocal' appears to have difficulty in understanding the Queen's english, I am beginning to wonder whether english is not his native language. That I should even have such a thought, would that make me racist, bearing in mind the enlish is the first language in many countries ouside of the UK?thinklikealocal wrote:So as Linesman has pointed out I asked was it like this when we had British Seamen on board & you take that as a Racist comment? So 90% of the population are racist then? the Scots who want Independence are racist then? Have you heard Alex Salmond go on about the English? when an England team of any sport plays another country & they say we've got to beat the French is this racist? You are a liar you have attacked my posts at every opportunity & to have Linesman telling you I'm not racist should tell you your wrong on this one as usually Linesman & I disagree so why is he saying this? because he knows your wrong! How many people out there are now saying British Workers for British jobs? are all of them racist? I wasn't saying that I was asking a question of was it like this when British crew were on board you read a negative into it straight away didn't you Eastleigh girl?Linesman wrote:Sorry I disagree. Racist behaviour is unacceptable to me on ANY level. Loosehead was the one who introduced a racist element to this debate not me.thinklikealocal wrote:There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence. You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.Linesman wrote:The inference in his post is quite clear.thinklikealocal wrote:Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.Linesman wrote:Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.thinklikealocal wrote:Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?Racist.
Do you not mean total lack of not "if" you are a joke,
do you not remember your post to Ironlady where you talked of quitting posting?
where you said I attacked you?
I apologised to you if you thought that was what I was doing but since then that's exactly what you've done to me.
So you selfish I don't want a pay cut get rid of jobs woman keep up the attacks & lets see how long it will be before you cry to Ironlady again?
I've wished most people Merry Christmas but you NO I've been called the best uncle by my niece ( she's mixed race)& I've had many friends of all nationality.
I've let a Indian friend stay with me whilst going through marital problems yet you who can't be wrong have the cheek no nerve to call me a racist?
thinklikealocal
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9:11pm Mon 17 Dec 12
loosehead wrote:I said your comment was racist. I also said that it may be unintentional or casual i.e. I gave you the benefit of the doubt. YOU are the one who ramps it up, ranting and raving all the time. YOU are the rude one. Another poster, completely nothing to do with me, and on another thread, also felt a comment you made was racist when posting. If you are not a racist, Perhaps you should consider how you word things!
thinklikealocal wrote:This was a reply from Linesman yet you attack me? Do you not mean total lack of not "if" you are a joke, do you not remember your post to Ironlady where you talked of quitting posting? where you said I attacked you? I apologised to you if you thought that was what I was doing but since then that's exactly what you've done to me. So you selfish I don't want a pay cut get rid of jobs woman keep up the attacks & lets see how long it will be before you cry to Ironlady again? I've wished most people Merry Christmas but you NO I've been called the best uncle by my niece ( she's mixed race)& I've had many friends of all nationality. I've let a Indian friend stay with me whilst going through marital problems yet you who can't be wrong have the cheek no nerve to call me a racist?Linesman wrote:I have an excellent command of the english language thanks. No, I do not recall you making any racist comments. Loosehead's ridiculous comparisons and total lack if self awareness continue unabated. Soooo dull......loosehead wrote:As 'thinklikealocal' appears to have difficulty in understanding the Queen's english, I am beginning to wonder whether english is not his native language. That I should even have such a thought, would that make me racist, bearing in mind the enlish is the first language in many countries ouside of the UK?thinklikealocal wrote:So as Linesman has pointed out I asked was it like this when we had British Seamen on board & you take that as a Racist comment? So 90% of the population are racist then? the Scots who want Independence are racist then? Have you heard Alex Salmond go on about the English? when an England team of any sport plays another country & they say we've got to beat the French is this racist? You are a liar you have attacked my posts at every opportunity & to have Linesman telling you I'm not racist should tell you your wrong on this one as usually Linesman & I disagree so why is he saying this? because he knows your wrong! How many people out there are now saying British Workers for British jobs? are all of them racist? I wasn't saying that I was asking a question of was it like this when British crew were on board you read a negative into it straight away didn't you Eastleigh girl?Linesman wrote:Sorry I disagree. Racist behaviour is unacceptable to me on ANY level. Loosehead was the one who introduced a racist element to this debate not me.thinklikealocal wrote:There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence. You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.Linesman wrote:The inference in his post is quite clear.thinklikealocal wrote:Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.Linesman wrote:Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.thinklikealocal wrote:Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?Racist.
loosehead
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9:17pm Mon 17 Dec 12
thinklikealocal wrote:You read racist undertones in my comment but you are so wrong why not do the decent thing & apologise to me?
loosehead wrote:I said your comment was racist. I also said that it may be unintentional or casual i.e. I gave you the benefit of the doubt. YOU are the one who ramps it up, ranting and raving all the time. YOU are the rude one. Another poster, completely nothing to do with me, and on another thread, also felt a comment you made was racist when posting. If you are not a racist, Perhaps you should consider how you word things!
thinklikealocal wrote:This was a reply from Linesman yet you attack me? Do you not mean total lack of not "if" you are a joke, do you not remember your post to Ironlady where you talked of quitting posting? where you said I attacked you? I apologised to you if you thought that was what I was doing but since then that's exactly what you've done to me. So you selfish I don't want a pay cut get rid of jobs woman keep up the attacks & lets see how long it will be before you cry to Ironlady again? I've wished most people Merry Christmas but you NO I've been called the best uncle by my niece ( she's mixed race)& I've had many friends of all nationality. I've let a Indian friend stay with me whilst going through marital problems yet you who can't be wrong have the cheek no nerve to call me a racist?Linesman wrote:I have an excellent command of the english language thanks. No, I do not recall you making any racist comments. Loosehead's ridiculous comparisons and total lack if self awareness continue unabated. Soooo dull......loosehead wrote:As 'thinklikealocal' appears to have difficulty in understanding the Queen's english, I am beginning to wonder whether english is not his native language. That I should even have such a thought, would that make me racist, bearing in mind the enlish is the first language in many countries ouside of the UK?thinklikealocal wrote:So as Linesman has pointed out I asked was it like this when we had British Seamen on board & you take that as a Racist comment? So 90% of the population are racist then? the Scots who want Independence are racist then? Have you heard Alex Salmond go on about the English? when an England team of any sport plays another country & they say we've got to beat the French is this racist? You are a liar you have attacked my posts at every opportunity & to have Linesman telling you I'm not racist should tell you your wrong on this one as usually Linesman & I disagree so why is he saying this? because he knows your wrong! How many people out there are now saying British Workers for British jobs? are all of them racist? I wasn't saying that I was asking a question of was it like this when British crew were on board you read a negative into it straight away didn't you Eastleigh girl?Linesman wrote:Sorry I disagree. Racist behaviour is unacceptable to me on ANY level. Loosehead was the one who introduced a racist element to this debate not me.thinklikealocal wrote:There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence. You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.Linesman wrote:The inference in his post is quite clear.thinklikealocal wrote:Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.Linesman wrote:Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.thinklikealocal wrote:Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?Racist.
thinklikealocal
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10:05pm Mon 17 Dec 12
loosehead wrote:There were racist undertones in your comment, so, why don't you take ownership of your 'mistake' and apologise to all the hard working and very decent non british employees of P and O.
thinklikealocal wrote:You read racist undertones in my comment but you are so wrong why not do the decent thing & apologise to me?loosehead wrote:I said your comment was racist. I also said that it may be unintentional or casual i.e. I gave you the benefit of the doubt. YOU are the one who ramps it up, ranting and raving all the time. YOU are the rude one. Another poster, completely nothing to do with me, and on another thread, also felt a comment you made was racist when posting. If you are not a racist, Perhaps you should consider how you word things!thinklikealocal wrote:This was a reply from Linesman yet you attack me? Do you not mean total lack of not "if" you are a joke, do you not remember your post to Ironlady where you talked of quitting posting? where you said I attacked you? I apologised to you if you thought that was what I was doing but since then that's exactly what you've done to me. So you selfish I don't want a pay cut get rid of jobs woman keep up the attacks & lets see how long it will be before you cry to Ironlady again? I've wished most people Merry Christmas but you NO I've been called the best uncle by my niece ( she's mixed race)& I've had many friends of all nationality. I've let a Indian friend stay with me whilst going through marital problems yet you who can't be wrong have the cheek no nerve to call me a racist?Linesman wrote:I have an excellent command of the english language thanks. No, I do not recall you making any racist comments. Loosehead's ridiculous comparisons and total lack if self awareness continue unabated. Soooo dull......loosehead wrote:As 'thinklikealocal' appears to have difficulty in understanding the Queen's english, I am beginning to wonder whether english is not his native language. That I should even have such a thought, would that make me racist, bearing in mind the enlish is the first language in many countries ouside of the UK?thinklikealocal wrote:So as Linesman has pointed out I asked was it like this when we had British Seamen on board & you take that as a Racist comment? So 90% of the population are racist then? the Scots who want Independence are racist then? Have you heard Alex Salmond go on about the English? when an England team of any sport plays another country & they say we've got to beat the French is this racist? You are a liar you have attacked my posts at every opportunity & to have Linesman telling you I'm not racist should tell you your wrong on this one as usually Linesman & I disagree so why is he saying this? because he knows your wrong! How many people out there are now saying British Workers for British jobs? are all of them racist? I wasn't saying that I was asking a question of was it like this when British crew were on board you read a negative into it straight away didn't you Eastleigh girl?Linesman wrote:Sorry I disagree. Racist behaviour is unacceptable to me on ANY level. Loosehead was the one who introduced a racist element to this debate not me.thinklikealocal wrote:There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence. You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.Linesman wrote:The inference in his post is quite clear.thinklikealocal wrote:Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.Linesman wrote:Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.thinklikealocal wrote:Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?Racist.
Linesman
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10:58pm Mon 17 Dec 12
thinklikealocal wrote:If you have an excellent command of the english language, I fail to see how you could determine that loosehead's post was racist.
Linesman wrote:I have an excellent command of the english language thanks. No, I do not recall you making any racist comments. Loosehead's ridiculous comparisons and total lack if self awareness continue unabated. Soooo dull......
loosehead wrote:As 'thinklikealocal' appears to have difficulty in understanding the Queen's english, I am beginning to wonder whether english is not his native language. That I should even have such a thought, would that make me racist, bearing in mind the enlish is the first language in many countries ouside of the UK?thinklikealocal wrote:So as Linesman has pointed out I asked was it like this when we had British Seamen on board & you take that as a Racist comment? So 90% of the population are racist then? the Scots who want Independence are racist then? Have you heard Alex Salmond go on about the English? when an England team of any sport plays another country & they say we've got to beat the French is this racist? You are a liar you have attacked my posts at every opportunity & to have Linesman telling you I'm not racist should tell you your wrong on this one as usually Linesman & I disagree so why is he saying this? because he knows your wrong! How many people out there are now saying British Workers for British jobs? are all of them racist? I wasn't saying that I was asking a question of was it like this when British crew were on board you read a negative into it straight away didn't you Eastleigh girl?Linesman wrote:Sorry I disagree. Racist behaviour is unacceptable to me on ANY level. Loosehead was the one who introduced a racist element to this debate not me.thinklikealocal wrote:There is a distinct difference between inference and evidence. You want to turn it into a racial thing, which I do not think it is.Linesman wrote:The inference in his post is quite clear.thinklikealocal wrote:Where did he say that the problem was caused by employing staff of non british nationality? Read again what he wrote. He merely stated that he did not remember this happening when ships were fully crewed by British seamen. If you can remember it happening during that period, perhaps you could inform us which ships were involved.Linesman wrote:Not sure I agree. When you state that the problem is caused by employing staff of non british nationality, i think that is racist. It may be 'unintentional' racism, or 'casual' racism, but racism none the less.thinklikealocal wrote:Not racist, just a suggestion that, by employing cheaper labour to man the ships, P&O have put profit before passenger welfare.loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?Racist.
It is because of this lack of understanding that I questioned whether english was your first language.
Pikey-Biker
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2:17am Tue 8 Jan 13
loosehead wrote:It’s surprising what you can buy on the internet these days
thinklikealocal wrote:What the hells that? My wife's Thai & you dare call me racist? Let me give you a history lesson! John Prescott was head of the seamans Union he was given a free holiday by a cruise company at the same time he/the union signed over thousands of British jobs the Dockies hanged him from his ankles over the edge of the dock in Southampton. He sold average paid jobs for a holiday & went on to become deputy leader of the Labour Party. These workers they have on board now knew they were replacing British jobs & were happy enough to work for the pay they're now on one reason I don't agree with the RMT union. I'm quite annoyed you could even come out with that statement I feel you owe me a huge apology or else be ready for every insult I can throw at a "LADY"?loosehead wrote: I might be totally wrong on this but I don't remember this happening when the ships were fully crewed by British Seamen did it happen & if not why not?Racist.
hulla baloo says...
9:08am Sat 15 Dec 12
More like a picture that says kerching, we want free cruise.