'No decision' on future of proposed attraction (From Daily Echo)

Strange. The headline said attraction.

Let's just forget it, it won't happen.

I wonder how much money has been wasted so far?

Get it built, would be amazing.
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Every other city has had money spent on it in the country, about time some was spent in Southampton.

The Salv wrote:
Get it built, would be amazing.
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Every other city has had money spent on it in the country, about time some was spent in Southampton.

Well said!
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It will happen because it is in the interests of ABP and SCC to make it happen.
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All part of making Southampton City a place to live and a place to visit!

See the future plans for making our City Great!

http://www.southampt
on.gov.uk/s-environm
ent/future/citycentr
e/

Does seem strange to have an Aeronautica attraction costing £8m and the new Titanic museum costing £15m nowhere near each other...the Aeronautica attraction could and should have costed £30m and included the Titanic museum there! That would have killed the debate on locatation as well.

I hope they succeed in their current locations however as it's too late to do much about it now.

George4th wrote:

The Salv wrote:
Get it built, would be amazing.
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Every other city has had money spent on it in the country, about time some was spent in Southampton.

Well said!
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It will happen because it is in the interests of ABP and SCC to make it happen.
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All part of making Southampton City a place to live and a place to visit!

See the future plans for making our City Great!

http://www.southampt

on.gov.uk/s-environm

ent/future/citycentr

e/

But not in the interests of the people of the city for which this carbuncle, similar to that monstrosity of a Sea City museum, will hold little interest or relevance. Those whose interests it will serve will be those who seek their egos stroked and think they are enhancing their own careers.

Southampton will never be able to celebrate anything as the water front is all commercial and no civvy street guy/gal will ever get to enjoy its glory xx

We won't buy over priced apartments, or enjoy sea view walks as your just money money money, you wouldn't understand culture if it smacked you in the face.

You try to profit from tragedy and yet neglect the golden opportunity u have to make this port thrive, not just for profit but for community.

There is no community spirit as you can't profit from it xx

Southampton is a great port . Why not have the best sailing school ever in view of all the cruise visitors. linking the cities heritage sites etc.
A fun pool/dock for jet skis/bikes water skiing sports, olympic champions in the making.
A fun place to visit, family orientated with restaurants , shops etc.
Feed off what you have naturally instead of just letting the upper classes rule the roosts x

Southampton is a great port . Why not have the best sailing school ever in view of all the cruise visitors. linking the cities heritage sites etc.
A fun pool/dock for jet skis/bikes water skiing sports, olympic champions in the making.
A fun place to visit, family orientated with restaurants , shops etc.
Feed off what you have naturally instead of just letting the upper classes rule the roosts x

Maine Lobster wrote:

George4th wrote:

The Salv wrote:
Get it built, would be amazing.
.
Every other city has had money spent on it in the country, about time some was spent in Southampton.

Well said!
>
It will happen because it is in the interests of ABP and SCC to make it happen.
>
All part of making Southampton City a place to live and a place to visit!

See the future plans for making our City Great!

http://www.southampt


on.gov.uk/s-environm


ent/future/citycentr


e/

But not in the interests of the people of the city for which this carbuncle, similar to that monstrosity of a Sea City museum, will hold little interest or relevance. Those whose interests it will serve will be those who seek their egos stroked and think they are enhancing their own careers.

*very much in the interests of the people of the city! I think you will find...

jazzi wrote:
Southampton is a great port . Why not have the best sailing school ever in view of all the cruise visitors. linking the cities heritage sites etc.
A fun pool/dock for jet skis/bikes water skiing sports, olympic champions in the making.
A fun place to visit, family orientated with restaurants , shops etc.
Feed off what you have naturally instead of just letting the upper classes rule the roosts x

I don't think you thought this one out! For a start, Southampton doesn't have an upper class - Southampton is too down market!
Secondly, the activities you mention are all of minuscule interest to a minuscule few!
As for restaurants, shops etc I suggest you look at the future plans for Southampton City on
http://www.southampt
on.gov.uk/s-environm
ent/future/citycentr
e/

Maine Lobster wrote:

George4th wrote:

The Salv wrote:
Get it built, would be amazing.
.
Every other city has had money spent on it in the country, about time some was spent in Southampton.

Well said!
>
It will happen because it is in the interests of ABP and SCC to make it happen.
>
All part of making Southampton City a place to live and a place to visit!

See the future plans for making our City Great!

http://www.southampt


on.gov.uk/s-environm


ent/future/citycentr


e/

But not in the interests of the people of the city for which this carbuncle, similar to that monstrosity of a Sea City museum, will hold little interest or relevance. Those whose interests it will serve will be those who seek their egos stroked and think they are enhancing their own careers.

If we followed your logic we would have nothing for the tourists to visit and therefore we wouldn't have the tourist industry or the many shops and services that cater for these visitors. How much do you think that would affect local jobs and the local economy?

In answer to George 4th's question ---very little!!

In answer to George 4th's question ---very little!!

In answer to George 4th's question ---very little!!

George4th wrote:

jazzi wrote:
Southampton is a great port . Why not have the best sailing school ever in view of all the cruise visitors. linking the cities heritage sites etc.
A fun pool/dock for jet skis/bikes water skiing sports, olympic champions in the making.
A fun place to visit, family orientated with restaurants , shops etc.
Feed off what you have naturally instead of just letting the upper classes rule the roosts x

I don't think you thought this one out! For a start, Southampton doesn't have an upper class - Southampton is too down market!
Secondly, the activities you mention are all of minuscule interest to a minuscule few!
As for restaurants, shops etc I suggest you look at the future plans for Southampton City on
http://www.southampt

on.gov.uk/s-environm

ent/future/citycentr

e/

I presume you actually mean I don't think like you. I suggest you get off your soap box and go preach elsewhere !!!

Southampton is not too down market, how very rude you are !!!

As usual Heritage is given the elbow in an attempt to make a fast buck which will no doubt go off half cocked like every other project mooted by succesive Southampton Councils of all political divides.

The Red Funnel Terminal should be in the place where the derelict Royal Pier is now.

Have Red Funnel actually looked at this site? It's all very well to draw a line on a plan, but the logistics just don't weigh up. Right alongside the Ocean Terminal car parks. What happens if there's a security alert in the docks and Red Funnel have to stop operations? The remains of the once elegant pumphouse would have to be incorporated as it is associated with the listed dry dock. And not to mention foot passengers having to walk an extra half mile alongside traffic (though I assume there would be a bus service).
Better to infill the Town Quay marina area with dredgings from 201/202 berth and build the new linkspans on that, with the proposed new access gate at the Triangle car park corner when the dual carriageway is built.
Use some logic!

Over the Edge wrote:
Let's just forget it, it won't happen. I wonder how much money has been wasted so far?

Exactly. These stories get very tedious are pipe dreams for Southampton that will never happen.

ToastyTea wrote:

Over the Edge wrote:
Let's just forget it, it won't happen. I wonder how much money has been wasted so far?

Exactly. These stories get very tedious are pipe dreams for Southampton that will never happen.

That's the spirit! With boundless optimism such as this, it'll be up & running in no time.

Shoong wrote:

ToastyTea wrote:

Over the Edge wrote: Let's just forget it, it won't happen. I wonder how much money has been wasted so far?

Exactly. These stories get very tedious are pipe dreams for Southampton that will never happen.

That's the spirit! With boundless optimism such as this, it'll be up & running in no time.

Out of all these stories in the last 5 years or so of proposals for the coty centre how many of them have actually happened ??!! The titanic museum...that is it!!!

ToastyTea wrote:

Shoong wrote:

ToastyTea wrote:

Over the Edge wrote: Let's just forget it, it won't happen. I wonder how much money has been wasted so far?

Exactly. These stories get very tedious are pipe dreams for Southampton that will never happen.

That's the spirit! With boundless optimism such as this, it'll be up & running in no time.

Out of all these stories in the last 5 years or so of proposals for the coty centre how many of them have actually happened ??!! The titanic museum...that is it!!!

We had 30 years worth of councils who sat on their hands and did absolutely nothing. The current council have a positive approach and are seen to get things moving - it's a tough ask after 30 years of gross incompetence by the previous good for nothing councils.
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What amazes me is the apathy of the Southampton residents who were daft enough to keep voting the previous councils into power! How lame was that?! I blame them!

Haven't the lightship and tug Calshot already been moved there? Isn't the Spitfire monument going there? Aren't these part of the whole project, which will now have no museum at its centre?

The Trafalgar dry dock needs the Admiralty permission to have any thing done to it, A ruling requires so many dry docks in each area in times of national emergency, and the way things are at the moment I can not see permission be giving there is a shortage of dry docks in this area.

George4th wrote:

ToastyTea wrote:

Shoong wrote:

ToastyTea wrote:

Over the Edge wrote: Let's just forget it, it won't happen. I wonder how much money has been wasted so far?

Exactly. These stories get very tedious are pipe dreams for Southampton that will never happen.

That's the spirit! With boundless optimism such as this, it'll be up & running in no time.

Out of all these stories in the last 5 years or so of proposals for the coty centre how many of them have actually happened ??!! The titanic museum...that is it!!!

We had 30 years worth of councils who sat on their hands and did absolutely nothing. The current council have a positive approach and are seen to get things moving - it's a tough ask after 30 years of gross incompetence by the previous good for nothing councils.
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What amazes me is the apathy of the Southampton residents who were daft enough to keep voting the previous councils into power! How lame was that?! I blame them!

lol! Yes... George you have it in a nutshell... I came to the city a little over 6 years ago... I was completely knocked sideways when I ran into this Southampton Doom and Gloom mentality...

SO many people are quick to poo-poo everything suggested... here's my tuppence worth... If you haven't got anything constructive to say - then shut up and be miserable quietly on your own!

Get it built... get the museum open... build Watermark WestQuay, Build new attractions to this city, get people talking about the City!

Stop listening to these incessant moaners and do it... they'll **** about everything you try to do anyway! There is no pleasing them!!

:o)

ToastyTea wrote:

Shoong wrote:

ToastyTea wrote:

Over the Edge wrote: Let's just forget it, it won't happen. I wonder how much money has been wasted so far?

Exactly. These stories get very tedious are pipe dreams for Southampton that will never happen.

That's the spirit! With boundless optimism such as this, it'll be up & running in no time.

Out of all these stories in the last 5 years or so of proposals for the coty centre how many of them have actually happened ??!! The titanic museum...that is it!!!

Toasty don't worry about Shoong he is not a realist he lives in a dream world.

soton-mike80 wrote:

George4th wrote:

ToastyTea wrote:

Shoong wrote:

ToastyTea wrote:

Over the Edge wrote: Let's just forget it, it won't happen. I wonder how much money has been wasted so far?

Exactly. These stories get very tedious are pipe dreams for Southampton that will never happen.

That's the spirit! With boundless optimism such as this, it'll be up & running in no time.

Out of all these stories in the last 5 years or so of proposals for the coty centre how many of them have actually happened ??!! The titanic museum...that is it!!!

We had 30 years worth of councils who sat on their hands and did absolutely nothing. The current council have a positive approach and are seen to get things moving - it's a tough ask after 30 years of gross incompetence by the previous good for nothing councils.
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What amazes me is the apathy of the Southampton residents who were daft enough to keep voting the previous councils into power! How lame was that?! I blame them!

lol! Yes... George you have it in a nutshell... I came to the city a little over 6 years ago... I was completely knocked sideways when I ran into this Southampton Doom and Gloom mentality...

SO many people are quick to poo-poo everything suggested... here's my tuppence worth... If you haven't got anything constructive to say - then shut up and be miserable quietly on your own!

Get it built... get the museum open... build Watermark WestQuay, Build new attractions to this city, get people talking about the City!

Stop listening to these incessant moaners and do it... they'll **** about everything you try to do anyway! There is no pleasing them!!

:o)

Thank you for that endorsement.

Sometimes I think maybe its me who has it wrong!

Southampton folk just don't realise what a load of whingers we have in our midst. I welcome new people to Southampton (even the ones who can't speak English!) because I find they have a more positive outlook on life - the long-term locals are always down in the mouth and whinging.
Do you know what we were once famous for? Producing Strikers! We had a Worldwide reputation! It cost us 10s of thousands of jobs!
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Must be in the local genes!

moan winge . tantrum stampy stampy foot foot , not seeing beyond the end of your tiny brains and noses ............if its not built lets moan if it is built lets moan too if you dont like it move out or dont comment if you live outside southamptond boundaries ...thats my winge over and out

If it is one thing that I cannot stand, it's intolerance, if you cannot spell whinge, then don't do it.

George4th wrote:

jazzi wrote: Southampton is a great port . Why not have the best sailing school ever in view of all the cruise visitors. linking the cities heritage sites etc. A fun pool/dock for jet skis/bikes water skiing sports, olympic champions in the making. A fun place to visit, family orientated with restaurants , shops etc. Feed off what you have naturally instead of just letting the upper classes rule the roosts x

I don't think you thought this one out! For a start, Southampton doesn't have an upper class - Southampton is too down market! Secondly, the activities you mention are all of minuscule interest to a minuscule few! As for restaurants, shops etc I suggest you look at the future plans for Southampton City on http://www.southampt on.gov.uk/s-environm ent/future/citycentr e/

Your obviously mixing with the under class too much to not recognise there is an upper class in Southampton albeit on a smaller scale to say the likes of Bournemouth or Winchester, you need to get out more!

Meles meles wrote:
Have Red Funnel actually looked at this site? It's all very well to draw a line on a plan, but the logistics just don't weigh up. Right alongside the Ocean Terminal car parks. What happens if there's a security alert in the docks and Red Funnel have to stop operations? The remains of the once elegant pumphouse would have to be incorporated as it is associated with the listed dry dock. And not to mention foot passengers having to walk an extra half mile alongside traffic (though I assume there would be a bus service). Better to infill the Town Quay marina area with dredgings from 201/202 berth and build the new linkspans on that, with the proposed new access gate at the Triangle car park corner when the dual carriageway is built. Use some logic!

I totally agree with you with everything you said, this has to be the perfect solution, I don't need to comment any further!

southy wrote:
The Trafalgar dry dock needs the Admiralty permission to have any thing done to it, A ruling requires so many dry docks in each area in times of national emergency, and the way things are at the moment I can not see permission be giving there is a shortage of dry docks in this area.

Not replied on here for a while as I get fed up with SO much negativity amongst fellow Sotonians.

I tend to just read the comments usually untill I see Southy has made a false statement and as he annoys me and many others on here and probably in person to most that know him I had to reply back to his latest comments!.

Southy you ole fool when did you last visit the Trafalger Dry Dock, 3/4 of it has been filled which was over 12 years ago now.

The infilled area around the former number 6 dry dock is where the short term car park is for the Ocean Terminal, along its side there a few pictures and diagrams showing the dry dock as it was built with a superb picture of the 1938 built Mauretania entering the dock

Although it was grade 11 listed ABP were allowed to partially fill it in but left a quarter of it unfilled as seen in the picture above where the planned museum would be situated.

ABP did not or would not have to gain permission from the Admiralty to have anything done with it, where do you get this so called information you ALWAYS go on about.

There is not a shortage of dry docks in this area, number 7 dry dock closed for final ship repairing in 2005 as it was deemed uneconomical due to a lack of business and the cost of repairs to the dock gate.

Ships do not go into dry dock as often as they used to due to modern paint and easier access to engines and with the vessels getting bigger and bigger the KGV Dry dock was getting to small for most of these vessels.

There are commercial dry docks at Portsmouth Naval Yard catering for vessels upto 40,000 tonnes as well as in Falmouth and there is no legislation governing dry docks in case of a national emergency.

It is all down to the tenders that ship repairs yards offer and the fact that the German ship yards do very well in this say alot for them.

YOU ALWAYS come out with so called facts without any substance, you think that most on here assume what you say is fact so do they often do not bother to reply and thats how you think you always get away with it but I can see you clear, you make it up as you go along you really do, you pathetic ole man!