Liverpool told to pay back cash in cruise row (From Daily Echo)

That seems fair to me they haven't said anything about the E.U money because that is up to the E.U to claim back. As for starting cruises within weeks i don't see how they can as the administration for the £8.8 or £12.6 will take sometime and there is still the issue of the E.U money.The big issue now is to ensure that they abide by the restrictions until they have agreed to pay up on both counts if the E.U want their share back.

Pity they can't work on their own cruise business industry instead of leeching off us.

Let the price war commence.

So Liverpool can pay back £8.8m of the £9.2m or pay £3.8m more if they spread it over 15 years. Seems like a reasonable way to get more money out of them.
There's no way the EU won't want their £8.6m grant back so that pretty much covers it all. Fair game then.

Maybe Southampton can get a grant from Europe to rebuild the pier and also build a viewing platform so you can get exceptional views of the docks, city and New Forest.

Yes this does seem to be a fair outcome. There may even be a cheap two day booze cruise up to Liverpuddle and back.

According to the Liverpool Echo they are quite pleased with the outcome, and they say they will cross the E.U issue when and if it arrises. So lets see the E.U. do something right for a change and demand that no cruises take place until they have been repaid.

Within 5 years expect Southampton's cruise turnarounds to shrink by 30%....and that's just the start of it. Cunard have already indicated on the quiet that they will make Liverpool a home port for one of their liners, and who can blame them? The smaller companies whom Southampton have snubbed in the past will be queueing up to sail from Liverpool.

Wonder how long before ABP announce a cruise development at Hull? A week, a month or to-morrow?

rsmith500 wrote:
Within 5 years expect Southampton's cruise turnarounds to shrink by 30%....and that's just the start of it. Cunard have already indicated on the quiet that they will make Liverpool a home port for one of their liners, and who can blame them? The smaller companies whom Southampton have snubbed in the past will be queueing up to sail from Liverpool.

I think you believe a little bit too much as to what Liverpool puts in their papers! They are obviously trying to spin things in their favour but deep down they are cheap tricks and false news. Cunard has stated they will not be using Liverpool for one of their liners so happy days for Southampton! This is old news tho.

http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/news/9538685.
Cunard_quashes_Merse
y_rumours/

Grow up Southampton! ABP, previously a state owned monopoly until 1982, cannot claim to be unfairly treated when they have benfitted from their domination of ports exactly because of their previous ownership. Liverpool is a far more attractive city without question and can claim as much right to welcome these cruise ships as us... Southampton is too expensive for Northerners to get to and it makes complete economic sense to move ships north! It's about money! Wake up Southampton and stop being so bitter and claiming its not fair! This was bound to happen sooner or later.

Romsey Rower wrote:
Grow up Southampton! ABP, previously a state owned monopoly until 1982, cannot claim to be unfairly treated when they have benfitted from their domination of ports exactly because of their previous ownership. Liverpool is a far more attractive city without question and can claim as much right to welcome these cruise ships as us... Southampton is too expensive for Northerners to get to and it makes complete economic sense to move ships north! It's about money! Wake up Southampton and stop being so bitter and claiming its not fair! This was bound to happen sooner or later.

Grow up or wake up? Make your mind up.

In a few years time Liverpool will have its second cruise liner terminal as part of the multi billion pound liverpool waters development. Look at what liverpool has done over the last few years , they have actually moved their city center to the waterfront as part of the liverpool one development becoming one of the countries top shopping destinations , they have become one of the top 3 tourist spots in the country , their docklands have been redeveloped with new museams welcoming millions of visitors. Today they signed a 200million pound deal with chinese investors to develop the opposite bank of the mersey, the liverpool 2 development will revolutionise their working docks.

What has southhampton done in the same time, made a few jokes about hub caps and and had a bit of a whine. Talk about a self pity city.

MrWW wrote:
In a few years time Liverpool will have its second cruise liner terminal as part of the multi billion pound liverpool waters development. Look at what liverpool has done over the last few years , they have actually moved their city center to the waterfront as part of the liverpool one development becoming one of the countries top shopping destinations , they have become one of the top 3 tourist spots in the country , their docklands have been redeveloped with new museams welcoming millions of visitors. Today they signed a 200million pound deal with chinese investors to develop the opposite bank of the mersey, the liverpool 2 development will revolutionise their working docks. What has southhampton done in the same time, made a few jokes about hub caps and and had a bit of a whine. Talk about a self pity city.

Grow up. You're talking about what Liverpool is going to do in a few years well in a few years Ocean Village will be completed with a £50m waterfront development. Mayflower Park will top that with its redevelopment that will make the Southampton boat show the best in the country...the redevelopment of the Station will be made into a business hub with links to the already expansive parks in the city.
ABP signed a £150m improvement to the docks so that Southampton will be able to receive the most lucrative and biggest container ships from the far East and Asia to distibute across Europe.
Talk about MrWW not really knowing what he's talking about...Liverpool is not that pretty and needs to stop living in the past.

Seems to be a lot of Bitterness from you Southern Jessies.All your sad attempts to retain the cruise liner franchise have failed.Believe me Liverpool will once again be the starting and ending point of cruises in this country.Unless you have visited our proud and beautiful city you will find this hard to understand.I've never been to your city but lets be honest who would want to.So be gracious in your defeat and i'll give you a good deal on some hubcaps because apparently thats all we do.

Liverpool gained from all forms of regeneration grants and business incentives - it has now all come to fruition and Liverpool is re-born.
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Southampton suffered from inactivity, apathy and poor leadership by the councils that preceded the last Tory council. The last Tory council was showing the way forward with new projects already completed and other projects in the pipeline, all of which were designed to bring the City of Southampton into the 21st century.
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The good folk of Liverpool must be over the moon that the citizens of Southampton voted in another Labour council! Once again shooting themselves in the foot!!

Just accept it YOU LOST!! Say what you want but as my name says WHO'S LAUGHING NOW,the jokes on you lot.Smug beyond belief.

bluescouse wrote:
Seems to be a lot of Bitterness from you Southern Jessies.All your sad attempts to retain the cruise liner franchise have failed.Believe me Liverpool will once again be the starting and ending point of cruises in this country.Unless you have visited our proud and beautiful city you will find this hard to understand.I've never been to your city but lets be honest who would want to.So be gracious in your defeat and i'll give you a good deal on some hubcaps because apparently thats all we do.

I suggest you look up 'double tide'. You'll see why we'll continue to keep to lions share of the business.

Don't worry folks. southy has put in a bid to redevelop Ealing creek as apparently it is the main (according to the Doomsday book) import/export site for the whole of Briton. Phew, thank God southy is on the ball. Liverpool must wish that they had a southy.
I bet he is digging out his signed copy as you are reading this lol.

People in the North will be flocking to book cruise liners from Liverpool. It makes economic sense but will not be a major threat. Southampton should log on to Peel Holdings to look at the plans now thst is what i call vision. You cannot even compare Southampton to Liverpool for culture, sport, business and music. Southampton is were Liverpol was in the 80's

Stillness wrote:
Don't worry folks. southy has put in a bid to redevelop Ealing creek as apparently it is the main (according to the Doomsday book) import/export site for the whole of Briton. Phew, thank God southy is on the ball. Liverpool must wish that they had a southy.
I bet he is digging out his signed copy as you are reading this lol.

I have been a longstanding critic of Liverpool's grant funded way into the cruise turnround business.
Perhaps it is time to bury the hatchet and see if Liverpool Council can actually make money from this opportunity.
As a conciliatory gesture I reckon we should despatch Southy up to the Mersey to act as Business Development Consultant and/or Finance Manager to the Liverpool Cruise Terminal, and await results.

Who's laughing now wrote:
Just accept it YOU LOST!! Say what you want but as my name says WHO'S LAUGHING NOW,the jokes on you lot.Smug beyond belief.

Lost what exactly? So the decision is Liverpool have to pay more money and as of today you have the grand total of none of Southamptons business.. So what exactly have we lost?

phil maccavity wrote:

Stillness wrote:
Don't worry folks. southy has put in a bid to redevelop Ealing creek as apparently it is the main (according to the Doomsday book) import/export site for the whole of Briton. Phew, thank God southy is on the ball. Liverpool must wish that they had a southy.
I bet he is digging out his signed copy as you are reading this lol.

I have been a longstanding critic of Liverpool's grant funded way into the cruise turnround business.
Perhaps it is time to bury the hatchet and see if Liverpool Council can actually make money from this opportunity.
As a conciliatory gesture I reckon we should despatch Southy up to the Mersey to act as Business Development Consultant and/or Finance Manager to the Liverpool Cruise Terminal, and await results.

I've just been a long standing critic of Liverpool.

STEVEGAS wrote:
People in the North will be flocking to book cruise liners from Liverpool. It makes economic sense but will not be a major threat. Southampton should log on to Peel Holdings to look at the plans now thst is what i call vision. You cannot even compare Southampton to Liverpool for culture, sport, business and music. Southampton is were Liverpol was in the 80's

No - I've looked out the window, town isn't on fire, no perms or shellsuits and the wheels are still on my car. So we're not where Liverpool were in the eighties...

Congratulations to Southampton in their victory in the cruise war. We will be celebrating this in Liverpool by waving off Ocean Countess from our cruise liner terminal on 29th May.

mooky9 wrote:

STEVEGAS wrote:
People in the North will be flocking to book cruise liners from Liverpool. It makes economic sense but will not be a major threat. Southampton should log on to Peel Holdings to look at the plans now thst is what i call vision. You cannot even compare Southampton to Liverpool for culture, sport, business and music. Southampton is were Liverpol was in the 80's

No - I've looked out the window, town isn't on fire, no perms or shellsuits and the wheels are still on my car. So we're not where Liverpool were in the eighties...

Ditto. Liverpool is not the place that you depict, never was, your problem is that you read what the tabloids say and are then stupid enough to believe what you read especially the Sun. In fact I would bet that you have never been here and therefore have no right to pass comments that you cannot justify.
I know Southampton quite well and outside of the city is really nice but the city itself does not compare to Liverpool, you also have most of the problems that you seem to throw at Liverpool, I read your newspaper most days and the reports indicate a city beset with the problems suffered by most cities.
If you look at national statistics Liverpool is better than most nowadays.
The one thing most of your politicians and commentators seem to ignore, is the awful journey from the North to your city and the prohibitive cost unless you travel by bus via London which is usually overnight and very unpleasant.
You should make an effort and come here maybe then you wont have such a bad opinion of the place, the natives are really quite friendly.

Tom
I have visited Liverpool many times and generally enjoy the experience. As you say most of the natives are friendly
However before Micheal Heseltine got involved, post Toxteth riots, Liverpool was a city going nowhere.
The massive grants given to regenerate the city centre really moved it forward
I am surprised you say that Southampton is beset with problems suffered by most cities. There is certainly not the high level of firearm offences that's for sure.
The journey from the north (for cruise travel) is well organised and direct (Eavesway Coaches normally) and does not involve a diversion via London

It's good news for the people of the greater north west area. At last we have a solution to this long standing problem which Southhampton have acted with hostile action in fear of losing a minor slice of this market. I have no doubt at that this facilitity at Liverpool will reward companies by using its great northern port for its North West based customers. The North West is booming at present with Land Rover and Vauxhall both expanding its workforces and Manchester is already a great hotspot for it's businesses expansion plans.
Both cities are in competition with each other however both cities excel in so many ways.
Therefore this is great news for all the people of the north west area. Liverpool will be working very hard indeed on ensuring this will be a huge success and promoting itself for further business investments.

Neil G wrote:
It's good news for the people of the greater north west area. At last we have a solution to this long standing problem which Southhampton have acted with hostile action in fear of losing a minor slice of this market. I have no doubt at that this facilitity at Liverpool will reward companies by using its great northern port for its North West based customers. The North West is booming at present with Land Rover and Vauxhall both expanding its workforces and Manchester is already a great hotspot for it's businesses expansion plans.
Both cities are in competition with each other however both cities excel in so many ways.
Therefore this is great news for all the people of the north west area. Liverpool will be working very hard indeed on ensuring this will be a huge success and promoting itself for further business investments.

Spelling is not your strong point then? "Southhampton"? Ever tried spollchecker? lol.

Thank you for publishing the photogragh of our current cruise terminal at the Pier Head in Liverpool ( There is another one planned within the Liverpool Waters scheme ).
Passengers arriving in Liverpool are always amazed when they arrive here because they arrive at a wonderful location almost opposite the three graces ( the iconic buildings at the Pier Head )
If any of your readers has any doubts as to Liverpool's renewed ambitions, I would advise them to look at the following websites.

www.liverpoolwaters.
co.uk
www.wirralwaters.co.
uk
www.oceangateway.co.
uk
www.peelitc.co.uk

A 1 Billion pound redevelopment scheme called Liverpool One has already been completed by Grovenor Estates.
The schemes outlined on the websites already have commercial backing and planning permission and a £200 million pound contract has been signed for the International Trade Centre.
Never Knock my home city, Liverpool is my home and I am very proud to be a Liverpudlian.

This is good news for Southampton! We now have competition, which means improvements for our City, rather than the laid back approach.

It's also great news for the public as they can now choose where to travel from.

If anything, Southampton will benefit from this?

Competition is a great thing, it forces a business to improve services in order to compete.

So the City of Southampton will become a better City, more improvements will be made, more jobs created etc.

I'm just stuck as to why people want to use a Cruiseliner and be stuck on a floating prison, wether it goes from Southampton or Liverpool or Skegness!

Tom Liverpool wrote:

mooky9 wrote:

STEVEGAS wrote:
People in the North will be flocking to book cruise liners from Liverpool. It makes economic sense but will not be a major threat. Southampton should log on to Peel Holdings to look at the plans now thst is what i call vision. You cannot even compare Southampton to Liverpool for culture, sport, business and music. Southampton is were Liverpol was in the 80's

No - I've looked out the window, town isn't on fire, no perms or shellsuits and the wheels are still on my car. So we're not where Liverpool were in the eighties...

Ditto. Liverpool is not the place that you depict, never was, your problem is that you read what the tabloids say and are then stupid enough to believe what you read especially the Sun. In fact I would bet that you have never been here and therefore have no right to pass comments that you cannot justify.
I know Southampton quite well and outside of the city is really nice but the city itself does not compare to Liverpool, you also have most of the problems that you seem to throw at Liverpool, I read your newspaper most days and the reports indicate a city beset with the problems suffered by most cities.
If you look at national statistics Liverpool is better than most nowadays.
The one thing most of your politicians and commentators seem to ignore, is the awful journey from the North to your city and the prohibitive cost unless you travel by bus via London which is usually overnight and very unpleasant.
You should make an effort and come here maybe then you wont have such a bad opinion of the place, the natives are really quite friendly.

Yea Liverpool may have alot going for it but you still seem to be missing a sense of humour, or be overly defensive about your city. I think you need to.... "calm down calm down".

Tom Liverpool wrote:

mooky9 wrote:

STEVEGAS wrote:
People in the North will be flocking to book cruise liners from Liverpool. It makes economic sense but will not be a major threat. Southampton should log on to Peel Holdings to look at the plans now thst is what i call vision. You cannot even compare Southampton to Liverpool for culture, sport, business and music. Southampton is were Liverpol was in the 80's

No - I've looked out the window, town isn't on fire, no perms or shellsuits and the wheels are still on my car. So we're not where Liverpool were in the eighties...

Ditto. Liverpool is not the place that you depict, never was, your problem is that you read what the tabloids say and are then stupid enough to believe what you read especially the Sun. In fact I would bet that you have never been here and therefore have no right to pass comments that you cannot justify.
I know Southampton quite well and outside of the city is really nice but the city itself does not compare to Liverpool, you also have most of the problems that you seem to throw at Liverpool, I read your newspaper most days and the reports indicate a city beset with the problems suffered by most cities.
If you look at national statistics Liverpool is better than most nowadays.
The one thing most of your politicians and commentators seem to ignore, is the awful journey from the North to your city and the prohibitive cost unless you travel by bus via London which is usually overnight and very unpleasant.
You should make an effort and come here maybe then you wont have such a bad opinion of the place, the natives are really quite friendly.

Yea Liverpool may have alot going for it but you still seem to be missing a sense of humour, or be overly defensive about your city. I think you need to.... "calm down calm down".

Tom Liverpool wrote:

mooky9 wrote:

STEVEGAS wrote:
People in the North will be flocking to book cruise liners from Liverpool. It makes economic sense but will not be a major threat. Southampton should log on to Peel Holdings to look at the plans now thst is what i call vision. You cannot even compare Southampton to Liverpool for culture, sport, business and music. Southampton is were Liverpol was in the 80's

No - I've looked out the window, town isn't on fire, no perms or shellsuits and the wheels are still on my car. So we're not where Liverpool were in the eighties...

Ditto. Liverpool is not the place that you depict, never was, your problem is that you read what the tabloids say and are then stupid enough to believe what you read especially the Sun. In fact I would bet that you have never been here and therefore have no right to pass comments that you cannot justify.
I know Southampton quite well and outside of the city is really nice but the city itself does not compare to Liverpool, you also have most of the problems that you seem to throw at Liverpool, I read your newspaper most days and the reports indicate a city beset with the problems suffered by most cities.
If you look at national statistics Liverpool is better than most nowadays.
The one thing most of your politicians and commentators seem to ignore, is the awful journey from the North to your city and the prohibitive cost unless you travel by bus via London which is usually overnight and very unpleasant.
You should make an effort and come here maybe then you wont have such a bad opinion of the place, the natives are really quite friendly.

Yea Liverpool may have alot going for it but you still seem to be missing a sense of humour, or be overly defensive about your city. I think you need to.... "calm down calm down".

Tom Liverpool wrote:

mooky9 wrote:

STEVEGAS wrote:
People in the North will be flocking to book cruise liners from Liverpool. It makes economic sense but will not be a major threat. Southampton should log on to Peel Holdings to look at the plans now thst is what i call vision. You cannot even compare Southampton to Liverpool for culture, sport, business and music. Southampton is were Liverpol was in the 80's

No - I've looked out the window, town isn't on fire, no perms or shellsuits and the wheels are still on my car. So we're not where Liverpool were in the eighties...

Ditto. Liverpool is not the place that you depict, never was, your problem is that you read what the tabloids say and are then stupid enough to believe what you read especially the Sun. In fact I would bet that you have never been here and therefore have no right to pass comments that you cannot justify.
I know Southampton quite well and outside of the city is really nice but the city itself does not compare to Liverpool, you also have most of the problems that you seem to throw at Liverpool, I read your newspaper most days and the reports indicate a city beset with the problems suffered by most cities.
If you look at national statistics Liverpool is better than most nowadays.
The one thing most of your politicians and commentators seem to ignore, is the awful journey from the North to your city and the prohibitive cost unless you travel by bus via London which is usually overnight and very unpleasant.
You should make an effort and come here maybe then you wont have such a bad opinion of the place, the natives are really quite friendly.

Yea Liverpool may have alot going for it but you still seem to be missing a sense of humour, or be overly defensive about your city. I think you need to.... "calm down calm down".

Tom Liverpool wrote:

mooky9 wrote:

STEVEGAS wrote:
People in the North will be flocking to book cruise liners from Liverpool. It makes economic sense but will not be a major threat. Southampton should log on to Peel Holdings to look at the plans now thst is what i call vision. You cannot even compare Southampton to Liverpool for culture, sport, business and music. Southampton is were Liverpol was in the 80's

No - I've looked out the window, town isn't on fire, no perms or shellsuits and the wheels are still on my car. So we're not where Liverpool were in the eighties...

Ditto. Liverpool is not the place that you depict, never was, your problem is that you read what the tabloids say and are then stupid enough to believe what you read especially the Sun. In fact I would bet that you have never been here and therefore have no right to pass comments that you cannot justify.
I know Southampton quite well and outside of the city is really nice but the city itself does not compare to Liverpool, you also have most of the problems that you seem to throw at Liverpool, I read your newspaper most days and the reports indicate a city beset with the problems suffered by most cities.
If you look at national statistics Liverpool is better than most nowadays.
The one thing most of your politicians and commentators seem to ignore, is the awful journey from the North to your city and the prohibitive cost unless you travel by bus via London which is usually overnight and very unpleasant.
You should make an effort and come here maybe then you wont have such a bad opinion of the place, the natives are really quite friendly.

Yea Liverpool may have alot going for it but you still seem to be missing a sense of humour, or be overly defensive about your city. I think you need to.... "calm down calm down".

Tom Liverpool wrote:

mooky9 wrote:

STEVEGAS wrote:
People in the North will be flocking to book cruise liners from Liverpool. It makes economic sense but will not be a major threat. Southampton should log on to Peel Holdings to look at the plans now thst is what i call vision. You cannot even compare Southampton to Liverpool for culture, sport, business and music. Southampton is were Liverpol was in the 80's

No - I've looked out the window, town isn't on fire, no perms or shellsuits and the wheels are still on my car. So we're not where Liverpool were in the eighties...

Ditto. Liverpool is not the place that you depict, never was, your problem is that you read what the tabloids say and are then stupid enough to believe what you read especially the Sun. In fact I would bet that you have never been here and therefore have no right to pass comments that you cannot justify.
I know Southampton quite well and outside of the city is really nice but the city itself does not compare to Liverpool, you also have most of the problems that you seem to throw at Liverpool, I read your newspaper most days and the reports indicate a city beset with the problems suffered by most cities.
If you look at national statistics Liverpool is better than most nowadays.
The one thing most of your politicians and commentators seem to ignore, is the awful journey from the North to your city and the prohibitive cost unless you travel by bus via London which is usually overnight and very unpleasant.
You should make an effort and come here maybe then you wont have such a bad opinion of the place, the natives are really quite friendly.

Yea Liverpool may have alot going for it but you still seem to be missing a sense of humour, or be overly defensive about your city. I think you need to.... "calm down calm down".

Tom Liverpool wrote:

mooky9 wrote:

STEVEGAS wrote:
People in the North will be flocking to book cruise liners from Liverpool. It makes economic sense but will not be a major threat. Southampton should log on to Peel Holdings to look at the plans now thst is what i call vision. You cannot even compare Southampton to Liverpool for culture, sport, business and music. Southampton is were Liverpol was in the 80's

No - I've looked out the window, town isn't on fire, no perms or shellsuits and the wheels are still on my car. So we're not where Liverpool were in the eighties...

Ditto. Liverpool is not the place that you depict, never was, your problem is that you read what the tabloids say and are then stupid enough to believe what you read especially the Sun. In fact I would bet that you have never been here and therefore have no right to pass comments that you cannot justify.
I know Southampton quite well and outside of the city is really nice but the city itself does not compare to Liverpool, you also have most of the problems that you seem to throw at Liverpool, I read your newspaper most days and the reports indicate a city beset with the problems suffered by most cities.
If you look at national statistics Liverpool is better than most nowadays.
The one thing most of your politicians and commentators seem to ignore, is the awful journey from the North to your city and the prohibitive cost unless you travel by bus via London which is usually overnight and very unpleasant.
You should make an effort and come here maybe then you wont have such a bad opinion of the place, the natives are really quite friendly.

Yea Liverpool may have alot going for it but you still seem to be missing a sense of humour, or be overly defensive about your city. I think you need to.... "calm down calm down".

The first cruise ship to sail from the cruise ship terminal will depart in just a week's time ( Tuesday 29 May). and will be the
Ocean Countess.
The Mayor of Liverpool said he was confident the city council would make a lump-sum payment, rather than face a bill of £12.6m – nearly 50% higher – by phasing repayments over up to 15 years.

And he vowed the start of “turnaround” cruises next week would be just the start, saying: "We are going to build a terminal that will be the envy of other ports."

@Stillnes
Quote"Spelling is not your strong point then? "Southhampton"? Ever tried spollchecker?"

"SPOLLCHECKER"? You couldn't make it up.

@Stillness
Quote"Spelling is not your strong point then? "Southhampton"? Ever tried spollchecker?"

"SPOLLCHECKER"? You couldn't make it up.

Hello everyone in Southampton,please,p
lease be a little more welcoming in the news that Liverpool will have the eagerly awaited Cruise Terminal. Please remember Liverpools grear,great maritime history and all we have given to the World and also remember that Liverpool is know all over the world for too many reasons to mention,you in Southampton know! So please dont be so grumpy & miserable about this issuemyou are only making yourselves seem silly & childish in the eyes of the world! Be happy Southampton & the GOOD people of your great City,show the moaners they are in the minority. Take care and good health Southampton.....A true Scouser and very,very proud.

mooky9 wrote:

Tom Liverpool wrote:

mooky9 wrote:

STEVEGAS wrote:
People in the North will be flocking to book cruise liners from Liverpool. It makes economic sense but will not be a major threat. Southampton should log on to Peel Holdings to look at the plans now thst is what i call vision. You cannot even compare Southampton to Liverpool for culture, sport, business and music. Southampton is were Liverpol was in the 80's

No - I've looked out the window, town isn't on fire, no perms or shellsuits and the wheels are still on my car. So we're not where Liverpool were in the eighties...

Ditto. Liverpool is not the place that you depict, never was, your problem is that you read what the tabloids say and are then stupid enough to believe what you read especially the Sun. In fact I would bet that you have never been here and therefore have no right to pass comments that you cannot justify.
I know Southampton quite well and outside of the city is really nice but the city itself does not compare to Liverpool, you also have most of the problems that you seem to throw at Liverpool, I read your newspaper most days and the reports indicate a city beset with the problems suffered by most cities.
If you look at national statistics Liverpool is better than most nowadays.
The one thing most of your politicians and commentators seem to ignore, is the awful journey from the North to your city and the prohibitive cost unless you travel by bus via London which is usually overnight and very unpleasant.
You should make an effort and come here maybe then you wont have such a bad opinion of the place, the natives are really quite friendly.

Yea Liverpool may have alot going for it but you still seem to be missing a sense of humour, or be overly defensive about your city. I think you need to.... "calm down calm down".

You're obviously that stupid you don't realise that the two scousers with Harry Enfield in that sketch were actually erm scousers.The humour was clearly lost on the likes of you.

Thank you for publishing the photogragh of our current cruise terminal at the Pier Head in Liverpool ( There is another one planned within the Liverpool Waters scheme ).
Passengers arriving in Liverpool are always amazed when they arrive here because they arrive at a wonderful location almost opposite the three graces ( the iconic buildings at the Pier Head ) situated in one of the area's within our great city listed as a World Heritage Site. If you have never been to Liverpool, then you should visit you'll find us all very friendly and helpful, and any negative impressions gained via the media will I assure you, quickly change to very positive ones. You don't have to take my word for it, Liverpool is very high up in the league of british tourist destination both for Brits and tourists from abroad.
If any of your readers has any doubts as to Liverpool's renewed ambitions, I would advise them to look at the following websites.

www.liverpoolwaters.
co.uk

www.wirralwaters.co.
uk

www.oceangateway.co.
uk

www.peelitc.co.uk

A £1 Billion ( £1,000,000,000 ) redevelopment scheme called Liverpool One has already been completed by Grosvenor Estates.
The schemes outlined on the websites already have commercial backing and planning permission and a £200 million pound contract has been signed for the International Trade Centre.

Please never knock my home city, I am not knocking your's.

Liverpool is my home and I am very proud to be a Liverpudlian.

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
The first cruise ship to sail from the cruise ship terminal will depart in just a week's time ( Tuesday 29 May). and will be the
Ocean Countess.
The Mayor of Liverpool said he was confident the city council would make a lump-sum payment, rather than face a bill of £12.6m – nearly 50% higher – by phasing repayments over up to 15 years.

And he vowed the start of “turnaround” cruises next week would be just the start, saying: "We are going to build a terminal that will be the envy of other ports."

Couple of observations
1. At a compound interest rate of a paltry 2.4% per annum why would Mayor Anderson not want to spread the cost over 15 years at a time he complaining about severe restraints on his Council budget
2. I am glad that I live down here and don't have to contribute towards the cost of our cruise terminals. Most of the revenue from any cruise ships calling into Liverpool goes to Peel Ports who say they 'may' invest in Liverpool when market conditions allow but are actually sticking shed loads of cash into Manchester

Who's laughing now wrote:

mooky9 wrote:

Tom Liverpool wrote:

mooky9 wrote:

STEVEGAS wrote:
People in the North will be flocking to book cruise liners from Liverpool. It makes economic sense but will not be a major threat. Southampton should log on to Peel Holdings to look at the plans now thst is what i call vision. You cannot even compare Southampton to Liverpool for culture, sport, business and music. Southampton is were Liverpol was in the 80's

No - I've looked out the window, town isn't on fire, no perms or shellsuits and the wheels are still on my car. So we're not where Liverpool were in the eighties...

Ditto. Liverpool is not the place that you depict, never was, your problem is that you read what the tabloids say and are then stupid enough to believe what you read especially the Sun. In fact I would bet that you have never been here and therefore have no right to pass comments that you cannot justify.
I know Southampton quite well and outside of the city is really nice but the city itself does not compare to Liverpool, you also have most of the problems that you seem to throw at Liverpool, I read your newspaper most days and the reports indicate a city beset with the problems suffered by most cities.
If you look at national statistics Liverpool is better than most nowadays.
The one thing most of your politicians and commentators seem to ignore, is the awful journey from the North to your city and the prohibitive cost unless you travel by bus via London which is usually overnight and very unpleasant.
You should make an effort and come here maybe then you wont have such a bad opinion of the place, the natives are really quite friendly.

Yea Liverpool may have alot going for it but you still seem to be missing a sense of humour, or be overly defensive about your city. I think you need to.... "calm down calm down".

You're obviously that stupid you don't realise that the two scousers with Harry Enfield in that sketch were actually erm scousers.The humour was clearly lost on the likes of you.

No I just don't care, rubbish show and not funny. But seriously are you lot that sensitive about your city you can't take a little banter? No wonder Manchester is a better city.

mooky9 wrote:

Tom Liverpool wrote:

mooky9 wrote:

STEVEGAS wrote:
People in the North will be flocking to book cruise liners from Liverpool. It makes economic sense but will not be a major threat. Southampton should log on to Peel Holdings to look at the plans now thst is what i call vision. You cannot even compare Southampton to Liverpool for culture, sport, business and music. Southampton is were Liverpol was in the 80's

No - I've looked out the window, town isn't on fire, no perms or shellsuits and the wheels are still on my car. So we're not where Liverpool were in the eighties...

Ditto. Liverpool is not the place that you depict, never was, your problem is that you read what the tabloids say and are then stupid enough to believe what you read especially the Sun. In fact I would bet that you have never been here and therefore have no right to pass comments that you cannot justify.
I know Southampton quite well and outside of the city is really nice but the city itself does not compare to Liverpool, you also have most of the problems that you seem to throw at Liverpool, I read your newspaper most days and the reports indicate a city beset with the problems suffered by most cities.
If you look at national statistics Liverpool is better than most nowadays.
The one thing most of your politicians and commentators seem to ignore, is the awful journey from the North to your city and the prohibitive cost unless you travel by bus via London which is usually overnight and very unpleasant.
You should make an effort and come here maybe then you wont have such a bad opinion of the place, the natives are really quite friendly.

Yea Liverpool may have alot going for it but you still seem to be missing a sense of humour, or be overly defensive about your city. I think you need to.... "calm down calm down".

Its difficult to calm down when people persist in repeating the same overused platitudes and lies. Surely you can do better.

Tom Liverpool wrote:

mooky9 wrote:

Tom Liverpool wrote:

mooky9 wrote:

STEVEGAS wrote:
People in the North will be flocking to book cruise liners from Liverpool. It makes economic sense but will not be a major threat. Southampton should log on to Peel Holdings to look at the plans now thst is what i call vision. You cannot even compare Southampton to Liverpool for culture, sport, business and music. Southampton is were Liverpol was in the 80's

No - I've looked out the window, town isn't on fire, no perms or shellsuits and the wheels are still on my car. So we're not where Liverpool were in the eighties...

Ditto. Liverpool is not the place that you depict, never was, your problem is that you read what the tabloids say and are then stupid enough to believe what you read especially the Sun. In fact I would bet that you have never been here and therefore have no right to pass comments that you cannot justify.
I know Southampton quite well and outside of the city is really nice but the city itself does not compare to Liverpool, you also have most of the problems that you seem to throw at Liverpool, I read your newspaper most days and the reports indicate a city beset with the problems suffered by most cities.
If you look at national statistics Liverpool is better than most nowadays.
The one thing most of your politicians and commentators seem to ignore, is the awful journey from the North to your city and the prohibitive cost unless you travel by bus via London which is usually overnight and very unpleasant.
You should make an effort and come here maybe then you wont have such a bad opinion of the place, the natives are really quite friendly.

Yea Liverpool may have alot going for it but you still seem to be missing a sense of humour, or be overly defensive about your city. I think you need to.... "calm down calm down".

Its difficult to calm down when people persist in repeating the same overused platitudes and lies. Surely you can do better.

Fair point but it was early! It was a simple bit of banter directed at some Liverpudlians who seemed to be drowing in their own smugness and made a point of going onto a Southampton paper to have a dig at the residents. So I would direct your own comment back at you, surely you can do better...?

If you really want to know what is so great about Liverpool , not the negative image shown in the media then I suggest you go to :-

www.visitliverpool.c
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There they will see that Liverpool is probably the most vibrant city outside of London.

mooky9 wrote:

Tom Liverpool wrote:

mooky9 wrote:

Tom Liverpool wrote:

mooky9 wrote:

STEVEGAS wrote:
People in the North will be flocking to book cruise liners from Liverpool. It makes economic sense but will not be a major threat. Southampton should log on to Peel Holdings to look at the plans now thst is what i call vision. You cannot even compare Southampton to Liverpool for culture, sport, business and music. Southampton is were Liverpol was in the 80's

No - I've looked out the window, town isn't on fire, no perms or shellsuits and the wheels are still on my car. So we're not where Liverpool were in the eighties...

Ditto. Liverpool is not the place that you depict, never was, your problem is that you read what the tabloids say and are then stupid enough to believe what you read especially the Sun. In fact I would bet that you have never been here and therefore have no right to pass comments that you cannot justify.
I know Southampton quite well and outside of the city is really nice but the city itself does not compare to Liverpool, you also have most of the problems that you seem to throw at Liverpool, I read your newspaper most days and the reports indicate a city beset with the problems suffered by most cities.
If you look at national statistics Liverpool is better than most nowadays.
The one thing most of your politicians and commentators seem to ignore, is the awful journey from the North to your city and the prohibitive cost unless you travel by bus via London which is usually overnight and very unpleasant.
You should make an effort and come here maybe then you wont have such a bad opinion of the place, the natives are really quite friendly.

Yea Liverpool may have alot going for it but you still seem to be missing a sense of humour, or be overly defensive about your city. I think you need to.... "calm down calm down".

Its difficult to calm down when people persist in repeating the same overused platitudes and lies. Surely you can do better.

Fair point but it was early! It was a simple bit of banter directed at some Liverpudlians who seemed to be drowing in their own smugness and made a point of going onto a Southampton paper to have a dig at the residents. So I would direct your own comment back at you, surely you can do better...?

Mooky9. It is fair comment, I just wish everyone here (Liverpool) and Southampton would CALM DOWN, both cities have their merits, but personally do believe Liverpool to be a much more interesting place, warts and all, I have a friend who lives in Southampton so I do know the place. Lets all just get on with the new situation and see what transpires.

phil maccavity wrote:
Tom
I have visited Liverpool many times and generally enjoy the experience. As you say most of the natives are friendly
However before Micheal Heseltine got involved, post Toxteth riots, Liverpool was a city going nowhere.
The massive grants given to regenerate the city centre really moved it forward
I am surprised you say that Southampton is beset with problems suffered by most cities. There is certainly not the high level of firearm offences that's for sure.
The journey from the north (for cruise travel) is well organised and direct (Eavesway Coaches normally) and does not involve a diversion via London

Phil Maccavity, I accept your comments about guns, and drugs also, but most major population areas are having this problem and most citizens of this city do not come into contact with this as it is down to a minority who are having a so called turf war. As for the bus journey to Southampton, The last cruise I took the only coach available was National Express 11 hours overnight, change in London, an awful journey which also got us to Southampton bus station far too early. Prior to that flew down £408 for 2 of us, train even more expensive. That is the main problem, Southampton will now most probably negotiate better transfers from the north now that there is some competition. Something that should have been done 10 years ago. I hope so.