Hampshire roads closed as temperatures plummet to minus 10 (From Daily Echo)

I drove from West Sussex to Stubbington at 0630 and as usual there were idiots driving at 80/90 mph on the M27/A27 despite it being obvious that there was rain falling on sheet ice. I saw cars shunting into each other on minor roads at 5mph so God knows what will happen when the 80 mph crowd have their accidents, they wont be 'driving home for Christmas' that's for sure.

Travelling East-bound I drove past the west-bound accident between Junction 3 and 5 and yet even though there were clear warnings regarding skid risk warnings I had loads of C@cks overtake me doing 60mph+ even in lorries. If people drive like this in such severe cold weather they deserve to have accidents, I just feel sorry for those at the receiving end of these Pr!cks.

It really is massively dangerous out there. I slid all the way down Telegraph Hill and had to use a hedge to stop myself. Be careful people!

I hope the daily echo will think twice about reporting any delays from South Central Ambulance attending to OAP falls whilst other people are busy crashing their cars and blocking roads.

Too fast, too close, too stupid.

Stupideditor wrote:
I hope the daily echo will think twice about reporting any delays from South Central Ambulance attending to OAP falls whilst other people are busy crashing their cars and blocking roads.

If Hampshire ambulance didn't take 2 hours in good weather conditions, it would not be an issue, would it?

My security word is "well-slow". How apt.

It is icy outside people. there has been a crash. be careful.

Weather was fine at 6am, cold but clear, but then it rained for 10 minutes and instantly turned all surfaces to ice. Not even grit or salt would have prevented it. I imagine it will take 2 or 3 hours to melt.

"one of two dead women" - does this reporter not know how to write a respectful article?

I would like to thank the Media for scaring all the motorists into staying at home. My journey took 20 mins less than normal this morning because no-one was about. People just need to learn how to drive in Ice & Snow

Bit difficult to "learn" how to drive on black ice & snow when it only happens once every 3 or 4 years in this area.

sotonwinch09 wrote:
I would like to thank the Media for scaring all the motorists into staying at home. My journey took 20 mins less than normal this morning because no-one was about. People just need to learn how to drive in Ice & Snow

Think that depends where you live! Certainly wasn't quicker coming from the New Forest.

The council have not done the job WE pay the council tax to do! They have not bothered to grit our roads BUT they have built a 40m new office! Who's running the show?? DISGUSTING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

newman76 wrote:
The council have not done the job WE pay the council tax to do! They have not bothered to grit our roads BUT they have built a 40m new office! Who's running the show?? DISGUSTING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and you haven't read the article - the roads were gritted, the rain washes the grit away, it rain freezes and the gritters have to then go out on icy roads to re-grit which has little effect on the ice due to no traffic passing on it.
You need to get a grip of basic science, and stop complaining when you've got no idea. What precautions are you taking? Have you got studded tyres, snow chains? My guess is no.

Daily Echo, could you let us know when buses are back on.

Cheers.

MY ROAD WASNT GRITTED AND NOW I CANT GET TO WORK!! ONCE AGAIN OUR COUNCILS HAVE LET US DOWN! ALL I WANT TO DO IS GET TO WORK AND TIE UP LOOSE ENDS BEFORE SHUTTING FOR XMAS! WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO GO IT TOMORROW NOW!

we used our grit here in springford crescent and we asked for a resupply about 3 days ago none come so now we are unable to get out of our road????
WHY COULD THEY NOT GIVE US A DELIEVERY??????

and you haven't read the article - the roads were gritted, the rain washes the grit away, it rain freezes and the gritters have to then go out on icy roads to re-grit which has little effect on the ice due to no traffic passing on it.
You need to get a grip of basic science, and stop complaining when you've got no idea. What precautions are you taking? Have you got studded tyres, snow chains? My guess is no.

Who are you defending? Do you work for the council?? snow chains......what a tw@t! GRIT GRIT GRIT

No sign of any grit all the way down Shirley High Street this morning. Pavements like an ice rink. People walking in the middle of the road because its safer.

Then when I got to the traffic lights by the Manor pub (this was around 10am), there was a massive 'beach' of grit on the pavement. It's a bit pathetic, surely they could have done the pavements in Shirley High Street.

I've seen many car accidents this morning and about 50 people go a*se over t*t on the pavements which i would argue are worse than the roads themselves.

As earlier comment - roads were gritted but the 10 min shower at 6.45am this morning turned everything to ice.

However people still drive like idiots regardless of the weather.

Will invent mini crampons for next year....dragon's den here i come!

SRH74 wrote:
I've seen many car accidents this morning and about 50 people go a*se over t*t on the pavements which i would argue are worse than the roads themselves. As earlier comment - roads were gritted but the 10 min shower at 6.45am this morning turned everything to ice. However people still drive like idiots regardless of the weather. Will invent mini crampons for next year....dragon's den here i come!

I couldnt get to the end of the path outside my house! i think its safe to say that going outside is not the best option. Im sure the Canadians and Russians are laughing at us, a bit of snow and ice, and its emergency galore, were treating it like world war 3. Though if you think its bad here, try Basingstoke.

MaxxieO wrote:
No sign of any grit all the way down Shirley High Street this morning. Pavements like an ice rink. People walking in the middle of the road because its safer.

Then when I got to the traffic lights by the Manor pub (this was around 10am), there was a massive 'beach' of grit on the pavement. It's a bit pathetic, surely they could have done the pavements in Shirley High Street.

I agree with Nothing to say, it was fine clear and v. frosty at 5.30, when I went out to Tesco's but the frozen rain meant that when I came back out the whole car park was an ice rink. I did about 10mph all the way home and stuck to main'ish roads and avoided hills just managed to drop off shopping and get into town again with emergency lights on 15mph, we got into town at 7am.

The pedestrians who think it's safer to walk in the road are taking their lives in their hands, I saw someone skid and go into a pedestrian and knock her off her feet! AND pedestrian was on her phone! if a car skids they won't be able to stop going into you. My advice, unless you're my intrepid neighbours L&J who went out with planks with small nails in strapped to their feet (I kid you not!) don't go out, it's just too dangerous for pedestrians. Main roads are ok'ish now but was quite fun getting down the hill to my own house. Luckily son came to rescue with salt!

Be careful everyone and stay safe xx

Southampton boy wrote:
we used our grit here in springford crescent and we asked for a resupply about 3 days ago none come so now we are unable to get out of our road???? WHY COULD THEY NOT GIVE US A DELIEVERY??????

you expect a delivery within 3 days?

why not order supplies before it was empty?.....like when it was only half full or something?
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We had no trouble getting to work albeit a bit late. Have a very light automatic 4 wheel drive so can drive as slow as i want and stop in a short distance. I have a few years experience of this kind of condition so know my limitations. I also picked up a passenger (I knew him) sliding about on the pavement. Good luck to you all. Have a merry christmas. Stay at home if unsure about driving /walking conditions. Get stuck in to the mulled wine and mince pies. Warmest regards. D.

My road also wasn't gritted. I live in Southampton and on a hill. I just go down the hill in 1st gear. It's really not that hard to drive on ice people!

I've just watched a lorry give way to someone on my road and end up slip-sliding all over the place for 40 minutes trying to get going again. In the end a couple of us went out with spades and stole some sand from a building site to help him. He'd got stuck just trying to be a good driver.

I live alone and am supposed to be going out on Friday for Christmas. I'm hoping Soton City Council get the gritters out so that I'm not stuck at home on my own or Christmas!

I started work at 7:00, and I've now given up as its too dangerous. Too many people driving likw morons well above the limits for the conditions. AS for gritting, someone is lying, I haven't seen a single gritter all morning. Buses are jus parking up as they can't go anywhere, cars are crashing off the road all over the place, ridiculous. SOmeone at the council or the highways agency needs to lose their job over this, its not they were not given enough warning, and then to come out and try to tell us they were gritting this morning. Lies.

timjim wrote:

newman76 wrote:
The council have not done the job WE pay the council tax to do! They have not bothered to grit our roads BUT they have built a 40m new office! Who's running the show?? DISGUSTING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and you haven't read the article - the roads were gritted, the rain washes the grit away, it rain freezes and the gritters have to then go out on icy roads to re-grit which has little effect on the ice due to no traffic passing on it.
You need to get a grip of basic science, and stop complaining when you've got no idea. What precautions are you taking? Have you got studded tyres, snow chains? My guess is no.

In reply to 'timjim' basic science has nothing to do with it, it's basic common sense that the councils evidently lack. Living in the Fareham borough council area NONE of the roads in Warsash village and surrounding areas seemed to have been gritted, all down to the council being 'short staffed'. This ended up with 2 prangs before half 6 this morning and road closure until about 10 minutes ago. Still council were meant to come and grit the road and all we have is a sprinkling in the middle, nothing of any use. Newman76, your entirely right obvioulsy a head office is more important!!!!

It's the parents of children who attend nurseries who are the nightmare - they speed up the minor roads and dump their babies in the nurseries. It is amazung how everything else shuts yet young parents risk everything to dump their babies, poorly dressed and exposed to the chill, and then they drive madly away as fast as possible from the nurseries. I am sure if they were open Christmas Day, they would still dump their children at the nursery.

Cheriton / Beauworth Avenue (Bus route) have not been gritted - its crazy out there cars abandond as cant get up the hill

bravebeth wrote:
It's the parents of children who attend nurseries who are the nightmare - they speed up the minor roads and dump their babies in the nurseries. It is amazung how everything else shuts yet young parents risk everything to dump their babies, poorly dressed and exposed to the chill, and then they drive madly away as fast as possible from the nurseries. I am sure if they were open Christmas Day, they would still dump their children at the nursery.

Some people have no choice you know. Work commitments etc....

I agree that once they've gritted there's not much we can moan about - what else can they do? But I am astounded that I have just looked out of my window at work to see a road sweeper van clearing all the grit of the roads that was previously put down. Yey! How sensible!!!

MaxxieO wrote:
No sign of any grit all the way down Shirley High Street this morning. Pavements like an ice rink. People walking in the middle of the road because its safer. Then when I got to the traffic lights by the Manor pub (this was around 10am), there was a massive 'beach' of grit on the pavement. It's a bit pathetic, surely they could have done the pavements in Shirley High Street.

"People walking in the middle of the road because its safer" ??? Apart from that truck sliding towards you that is!

Same old story. little bit of snow or ice and it **** us all up. I could not get to work and it has cost me money WHY ?
Fat cat council bosses rakeing in our taxes to pay their huge wages to push a pen all year whilst the bugets for grit and the manpower to do the work is slashed, its is disgusting and costs lives the idiots have blood on their hands.
where are all the grit boxes gone that we all once had on the end of our roads ? it is about time heads started to roll over the sorry state of our elected concilors.
hang your heads in shame your a disgrase a bunch of clowns.

Planty wrote:
I agree that once they've gritted there's not much we can moan about - what else can they do? But I am astounded that I have just looked out of my window at work to see a road sweeper van clearing all the grit of the roads that was previously put down. Yey! How sensible!!!

Maybe the pens pushers have come up with a fantastic idea to recycle the grit to save money from their xmas bonus. ?????????????

They need to grit pavements!! I only have a 10 minute walk from my house to get to work and left this morning at about 8.30, took me 3 times as long because outside my house was like sheet ice! Luckily further down the street it was all just water, but I could not get a grip anywhere to start with! I had to pull myself along walls because it was so slippery... :(
Noone thinks about pedestrians!
I hate snow!!!

Always a silver lining, plenty of work for panel beaters, car repairers, insurance asessors, scrap merchants, chemists, and newspaper reporters.

fin6y wrote:
They need to grit pavements!! I only have a 10 minute walk from my house to get to work and left this morning at about 8.30, took me 3 times as long because outside my house was like sheet ice! Luckily further down the street it was all just water, but I could not get a grip anywhere to start with! I had to pull myself along walls because it was so slippery... :(
Noone thinks about pedestrians!
I hate snow!!!

And I bet you are once of a few that walk from your road. I don't see the point of gritting the pavement for one person do you??

are first buses running yet anyone?

BUSES ARE NOW RUNNING, Bus just went past my house, a 12A.

Ok, technically they're not running as buses don't have legs, but the bus service is now on.

Bring back the roadside 'grit bins' when we could grit our own local roads and pavements. To be fair I did see one gritting lorry in town, and another with men in the back throwing grit over the pavements. However, this wasn't until 9am. Remember last year when it snowed and we didn't have 'enough' grit.... every year we get caught unawares it's plain daft!

Sulaiman Al Fahim wrote:

Stupideditor wrote: I hope the daily echo will think twice about reporting any delays from South Central Ambulance attending to OAP falls whilst other people are busy crashing their cars and blocking roads.

If Hampshire ambulance didn't take 2 hours in good weather conditions, it would not be an issue, would it? My security word is "well-slow". How apt.

The two don't compare, how can you expect any emergency service to meet it's government based statistics on a day like today with roads as icy as they were this morning.

I have seen a 17a First bus so it appears that the buses are at least partially running, I have also seen a Blustar 4.

First Group haven't updated their website yet but they are on.

first buses are running now so radio is saying

I ask all bloggers to THINK - we want to get to work, we have a gridlock, work suffers - but I really want to say 'YOU TRIED to keep it going'. It is not lack of character, you are snow bound - business has to go into a state of abeyance. don't panic, your family, friends, parents, must surely take pride of place - or if you are really at rock bottom - go to the homeless, rootless, and sad people who would long to have some foothold in Society and the commercial world.

goard

i find it somehow backwards that im commenting at all, regardless of how annoying i find everyone who makes such annoying comments and feels compelled to whine like a child at every little thing in the world- i can only surmise that these people have nothing else to fill their menial existence with- so let me open by saying that myself, and the rest of the real world- dont care what you think. if its icy and you feel 20 -30 mph on a 60mph limit road is acceptable because its " dangerous" even though there is no sign of ice, slush, and you know that 30k people have driven down it before you- without a problem -gtfo. stay home. dont flash at me when i overtake you perfectly safely. i drove to work this morning from the new forest. i managed to get to work on time. life goes on. i was on ice out of my whole road, and at several key points in my journey. i followed the highway code- kept a safe distance, ( but didnt go rediculously slow) i stabbed my brakes. i didnt even come close to crashing. ive seen gritters out. they were out last night too- at 4am when i was driving and between 8-10am too. someone commented earlier someone in the council should " get fired for this outrage". im at work, and im trying not to erupt in laughter. thank god you arent in charge of anything important- the country, the council- because its nobodys fault that its icy. this kind of comment is what the hell is wrong with our country. so fire someone. who? whoever's decision it was "not to send out the gritters"? im sure they did their best. road gritters have only one job- if they dont do it when its icy, when the hell do they.. i pay my taxes- and if the roads are icy- i keep the finger of blame firmly in my glove. the guys who are up all hours gritting our roads are champions and i want to say thanks and merry xmas to those people who work to keep us all safe. the police, armed forces, ambulances- and fire- the gritters, anyone who gets out there and works in these conditions without crying about it. who pick up the pieces when the incompetent majority take to the roads and get it so wrong. the ones who pick up the pieces of everything that goes wrong and selflessly work to put it right.
grit pavements- with a lorry.. or men with shovels..? say, 5000 men for southampton and how many hours.. it wont happen. and gritting around the people already on the paths.. and the logistical nightmare of gritting every pavement. it takes a tiny patch of ice to slip up and break a bone. i did it earlier this year. i drove myself to A+E and got it plastered. tough luck! its my own fault for being outside. i understand peoples plight with ice- it causes slips and falls. but we get one day and the country goes haywire. on a closing point- id hate to sound like i approve of the council and everything they do. rather than whine about ice- who the heck is complaining about THE MILLBROOK FLYOVER. why has it been 30mph limited and narrowed for a year? bridge work? safe for me to drive over..and i could do 50mph if i chose to- so it cant be a safety issue. they work under the bridge.. so why make it slow. why make the limit 30mph all the way past the causeway. we are surrounded by idiots. idiots, unfortunately- can excel in one narrow field- get a degree- and hold a high powered job. if only solent uni offered degrees in common sense and such. give us back a normal width road and a 50mph limit! its **** rediculous, even the police dont do the speed limit through there. get with the programme southampton! ****! Fin.

New forest sprite wrote:
i find it somehow backwards that im commenting at all, regardless of how annoying i find everyone who makes such annoying comments and feels compelled to whine like a child at every little thing in the world- i can only surmise that these people have nothing else to fill their menial existence with- so let me open by saying that myself, and the rest of the real world- dont care what you think. if its icy and you feel 20 -30 mph on a 60mph limit road is acceptable because its " dangerous" even though there is no sign of ice, slush, and you know that 30k people have driven down it before you- without a problem -gtfo. stay home. dont flash at me when i overtake you perfectly safely. i drove to work this morning from the new forest. i managed to get to work on time. life goes on. i was on ice out of my whole road, and at several key points in my journey. i followed the highway code- kept a safe distance, ( but didnt go rediculously slow) i stabbed my brakes. i didnt even come close to crashing. ive seen gritters out. they were out last night too- at 4am when i was driving and between 8-10am too. someone commented earlier someone in the council should " get fired for this outrage". im at work, and im trying not to erupt in laughter. thank god you arent in charge of anything important- the country, the council- because its nobodys fault that its icy. this kind of comment is what the hell is wrong with our country. so fire someone. who? whoever's decision it was "not to send out the gritters"? im sure they did their best. road gritters have only one job- if they dont do it when its icy, when the hell do they.. i pay my taxes- and if the roads are icy- i keep the finger of blame firmly in my glove. the guys who are up all hours gritting our roads are champions and i want to say thanks and merry xmas to those people who work to keep us all safe. the police, armed forces, ambulances- and fire- the gritters, anyone who gets out there and works in these conditions without crying about it. who pick up the pieces when the incompetent majority take to the roads and get it so wrong. the ones who pick up the pieces of everything that goes wrong and selflessly work to put it right. grit pavements- with a lorry.. or men with shovels..? say, 5000 men for southampton and how many hours.. it wont happen. and gritting around the people already on the paths.. and the logistical nightmare of gritting every pavement. it takes a tiny patch of ice to slip up and break a bone. i did it earlier this year. i drove myself to A+E and got it plastered. tough luck! its my own fault for being outside. i understand peoples plight with ice- it causes slips and falls. but we get one day and the country goes haywire. on a closing point- id hate to sound like i approve of the council and everything they do. rather than whine about ice- who the heck is complaining about THE MILLBROOK FLYOVER. why has it been 30mph limited and narrowed for a year? bridge work? safe for me to drive over..and i could do 50mph if i chose to- so it cant be a safety issue. they work under the bridge.. so why make it slow. why make the limit 30mph all the way past the causeway. we are surrounded by idiots. idiots, unfortunately- can excel in one narrow field- get a degree- and hold a high powered job. if only solent uni offered degrees in common sense and such. give us back a normal width road and a 50mph limit! its **** rediculous, even the police dont do the speed limit through there. get with the programme southampton! ****! Fin.

they asked for comments not your life story!

Wow Sprite, that was some rant!
Some valid points though.

Jeez New Forest Sprite! Why is it not okay for people to complain about the current weather conditions, but it's okay for you to rant about Millbrook and Redbridge flyovers?

The 30mph limit is there whether you like it or not and it's idiots breaking it and flashing their lights at other drivers, who do abide by the limits, that cause the accidents. The police do 30mph along that stretch of road and regularly pull people over for going to fast.

bravebeth wrote:
It's the parents of children who attend nurseries who are the nightmare - they speed up the minor roads and dump their babies in the nurseries. It is amazung how everything else shuts yet young parents risk everything to dump their babies, poorly dressed and exposed to the chill, and then they drive madly away as fast as possible from the nurseries. I am sure if they were open Christmas Day, they would still dump their children at the nursery.

I am a young parent of 2 (Im 22) and tried to go out to work this morning and take my children to their childminders.I didnt speed up and drive in a risky way it is far too hilly and ended up pulling over and leaving the car and walking home with them both.It really annoys me when people talk about "young parents" in this way as not all young parents are!!Dont stereotype.

sotonwinch09 wrote:
My road also wasn't gritted. I live in Southampton and on a hill. I just go down the hill in 1st gear. It's really not that hard to drive on ice people!

It's not driving on ice that's the problem, it's stopping! Still, you're obviously a great driver and therefore well qualified to tell everyone else how it should be done?!!

sotonwinch09 wrote:
My road also wasn't gritted. I live in Southampton and on a hill. I just go down the hill in 1st gear. It's really not that hard to drive on ice people!

Unless you drive a rear wheel drive car (is your car rear wheel drive?) no amount of slow acceleration / rocking the car on bite / salting by the tyres was getting my car moving, all that was doing was kicking the arse out. The only way that I could move was when my boyfriend sat in the boot to get some weight on the wheels, even then she wanted to go sideways.

I think you'll find rear wheel drives are worse, I had to abandon mine this morning as it didn't want to go round a roundabout! I was facing sideways for 5 minutes trying to get off!

Anyway lets spare a thought for the elderly, I've just sat on the cold floor with one man for nearly 4 hours who fell and broke his arm and hit his head. Hampshire ambulance had 1200 outstanding calls according to the police.

No gritting here in Whiteley residential areas and lots of accidents as a result. Winchester Council's pathetic excuse 'your roads haven't been adopted'. I am very angry since we pay the same council tax as people whose roads are adopted.

thesotonsaint wrote:
I think you'll find rear wheel drives are worse, I had to abandon mine this morning as it didn't want to go round a roundabout! I was facing sideways for 5 minutes trying to get off! Anyway lets spare a thought for the elderly, I've just sat on the cold floor with one man for nearly 4 hours who fell and broke his arm and hit his head. Hampshire ambulance had 1200 outstanding calls according to the police.

Definately, mine was well up for being sideways this morning, luckily this was about a metre of driving from my gate so didnt have to abandon her, got the boyfriend in the boot and parked her up out the back of my flat! And even if I could drive, like you I wouldnt have wanted to attempt a roundabout, theyre difficult in the dry conditions!
Hope the man was ok, saw an elderly man almost go over earlier but he managed to save himself and carried on with a smile on his face!

Lovebird wrote:

thesotonsaint wrote: I think you'll find rear wheel drives are worse, I had to abandon mine this morning as it didn't want to go round a roundabout! I was facing sideways for 5 minutes trying to get off! Anyway lets spare a thought for the elderly, I've just sat on the cold floor with one man for nearly 4 hours who fell and broke his arm and hit his head. Hampshire ambulance had 1200 outstanding calls according to the police.

Definately, mine was well up for being sideways this morning, luckily this was about a metre of driving from my gate so didnt have to abandon her, got the boyfriend in the boot and parked her up out the back of my flat! And even if I could drive, like you I wouldnt have wanted to attempt a roundabout, theyre difficult in the dry conditions! Hope the man was ok, saw an elderly man almost go over earlier but he managed to save himself and carried on with a smile on his face!

lol @ "And even if I could drive" and roundabouts difficult in dry conditions.

Women drivers. Sheesh!

Locke RD hedge end, not gritted. I was driving 10mph very carefully when the car lost it, hit the curb spun round and ended on the other side of the road and up the curb. Luckily no pedestrians or other cars,but my car had to be towed to garage as steering gone. Garage shut till 4 Jan. and a huge bill looms. Maybe the council will pay,as I'm sure I have no idea how I will. Happy Xmas

the council took away the grit box and its contents from our road cheers guys, if it had been there, my self and my neighbours could have gone to work today i wonder if the council would like to pay me the days pay i lost today? i have come to the decision that southampton council just keep taking away and asking us to pay more for the privilage.

S!mon wrote:

Lovebird wrote:

thesotonsaint wrote: I think you'll find rear wheel drives are worse, I had to abandon mine this morning as it didn't want to go round a roundabout! I was facing sideways for 5 minutes trying to get off! Anyway lets spare a thought for the elderly, I've just sat on the cold floor with one man for nearly 4 hours who fell and broke his arm and hit his head. Hampshire ambulance had 1200 outstanding calls according to the police.

Definately, mine was well up for being sideways this morning, luckily this was about a metre of driving from my gate so didnt have to abandon her, got the boyfriend in the boot and parked her up out the back of my flat! And even if I could drive, like you I wouldnt have wanted to attempt a roundabout, theyre difficult in the dry conditions! Hope the man was ok, saw an elderly man almost go over earlier but he managed to save himself and carried on with a smile on his face!

lol @ "And even if I could drive" and roundabouts difficult in dry conditions. Women drivers. Sheesh!

Haha! bad choice of wording on my part, touche! I meant "even if I could drive in the ice this morning" and roundabouts are difficult because of the car I drive, she likes to go sideways even at 30mph! :P

goard wrote:
I ask all bloggers to THINK - we want to get to work, we have a gridlock, work suffers - but I really want to say 'YOU TRIED to keep it going'. It is not lack of character, you are snow bound - business has to go into a state of abeyance. don't panic, your family, friends, parents, must surely take pride of place - or if you are really at rock bottom - go to the homeless, rootless, and sad people who would long to have some foothold in Society and the commercial world.

goard

Does anyone else think this is odd?
Am I missing something?!

On subject- I didn't drive in to work this morning because my drive was frozen solid and the surrounding roads too. I really can't blame the council for this happening though. The gritters came by last night as they have done for the last few nights and they were also out and about again this morning- so anyone who says they weren't doesn't really know what they are talking about! I walked in instead which was not fun! But I had snow boots on so didn't slip like the many people out walking on solid ice wearing trainers- surely they are asking for trouble!?

sotonwinch09 wrote:
My road also wasn't gritted. I live in Southampton and on a hill. I just go down the hill in 1st gear. It's really not that hard to drive on ice people!

I haven't seen any ice people to drive on, are they safer to drive over rather than the roads?

Mexeman wrote:

sotonwinch09 wrote: My road also wasn't gritted. I live in Southampton and on a hill. I just go down the hill in 1st gear. It's really not that hard to drive on ice people!

I haven't seen any ice people to drive on, are they safer to drive over rather than the roads?

And do we get bonus points if we find ice people rather than normal people?

Lets spare a thought fpr the nurses doctors and people who apply plaster casts in A & E today, they are working flat out treating all the people who fell over this morning, people who could have stayed in doors in alot of cases!!!

A 40 min bus journey took nearly 90 mins this morning coming from Southampton. The bus hit a shelter by the Redbridge flyover and so we had to wait for another. That then subsequently skidded on the ice at the Rushington roundabout. During this time I saw a couple of car drivers talking on their mobiles and one texting.

I saw so many old people going to the local shop this morning for a paper! Why do they think they can walk on ice! Thats why A&E is so busy! OLD People stay indoors!!

First of all to the g1mp that earlier stated he had lorries overtaking him at 60mph plus, lorries are limited to 56 so guess not huh! As for removing grit boxes from roads, are you surprised? All they were used for was the local numpties to set fire too so all was left was a melted yellow lump. Finally most people wont of seen the gritters on the roads as they are normally up gritting roads before most people wake up for work so cut them some slack. And no i'm not a gritter driver either lol

lol, fair point. but i have seen the police speed through.. (i travel the road 4 times a day at least) and on the other hand, i agree- they do pull people over down there- nothing like a bit of justice for the speeders! seperate issue though .:/

just on my soapbox really. but consider me down, my posting days begin and end today! have a nice christmas everyone, just ignore me. fact is- nobody is more or less important than another. all comments count. youre more right to say im ranting in the wrong place, so ill accept this was a bit out of order.. anyway i digress. have a good xmas and new year!


p.s. stemmosfire- i didnt post my life story. strange life that would be? you can buy my memoirs from amazon if you really want to read it. i take that as an insult- and i hope you find sand in your lunch.

regards,

n.f. sprite

LMAO.. a typical Newfie , Mex,after all the rants on here .. O well its a ft. of snow here this morn gotta go shovel and get going .. . will be driving on ice for the next few months!!.. Have a safe one all fellow Cdns !!

I hope the 8a is running tonight as i've got the works xmas pub crawl

"No sign of any grit all the way down Shirley High Street this morning. Pavements like an ice rink. People walking in the middle of the road because its safer.
Then when I got to the traffic lights by the Manor pub (this was around 10am), there was a massive 'beach' of grit on the pavement. It's a bit pathetic, surely they could have done the pavements in Shirley High Street."

Not many people who live in Shirley High Street actually contribute to tax money as they don't actually work. Something I have noticed every single day when I drive past the morans crossing the road whilst i'm on my way to work. So it's refreshing to hear that Shirley High Street was NOT a priority...

LymingtonLady wrote:
"No sign of any grit all the way down Shirley High Street this morning. Pavements like an ice rink. People walking in the middle of the road because its safer. Then when I got to the traffic lights by the Manor pub (this was around 10am), there was a massive 'beach' of grit on the pavement. It's a bit pathetic, surely they could have done the pavements in Shirley High Street." Not many people who live in Shirley High Street actually contribute to tax money as they don't actually work. Something I have noticed every single day when I drive past the morans crossing the road whilst i'm on my way to work. So it's refreshing to hear that Shirley High Street was NOT a priority...

I live just off Shirley High Street and have done all my life, I am a receptionist on more than £19k (may not be much to you but it is to me) a year and have paid tax since I first started working part time at the age of 16. My mother also runs a shop there too, her own business and has also paid tax all her life, it shouldnt be "refreshing" to hear that we may have been unsafe on the roads / pavements!

Anyone know if its going to be the same tom? Have seen 3 contradicting weather forecasts!

Lovebird wrote:

LymingtonLady wrote:
"No sign of any grit all the way down Shirley High Street this morning. Pavements like an ice rink. People walking in the middle of the road because its safer. Then when I got to the traffic lights by the Manor pub (this was around 10am), there was a massive 'beach' of grit on the pavement. It's a bit pathetic, surely they could have done the pavements in Shirley High Street." Not many people who live in Shirley High Street actually contribute to tax money as they don't actually work. Something I have noticed every single day when I drive past the morans crossing the road whilst i'm on my way to work. So it's refreshing to hear that Shirley High Street was NOT a priority...

I live just off Shirley High Street and have done all my life, I am a receptionist on more than £19k (may not be much to you but it is to me) a year and have paid tax since I first started working part time at the age of 16. My mother also runs a shop there too, her own business and has also paid tax all her life, it shouldnt be "refreshing" to hear that we may have been unsafe on the roads / pavements!

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who takes issue with this. I live just off Shirley High Street too and I pay my council and income tax like clockwork. A lot of the people I saw trying to walk down Shirley High Street today where elderly or people with young families, they certainly weren't "morans" or even morons for that matter. Just people going about their everyday lives and trying to stay upright. Why should they be less entitled to gritted paths and roads than anyone else?

i tried to call the council today to see what was being done about the icy conditions and was on hold to the HIghways department for sooo long i hung up. What annoyed me was that the 'Customer Advisors' were all busy. I AM NOT A CUSTOMER OF THE COUNCIL!! i am a taxpayer and they are public servants - i do not CHOOSE to spend my money with Southampton City Council i am obliged to do so! and in the end, the rain sorted out the problem so maybe i should pay my council tax to the Met Office instead!!

Snowman wrote:
LMAO.. a typical Newfie , Mex,after all the rants on here .. O well its a ft. of snow here this morn gotta go shovel and get going .. . will be driving on ice for the next few months!!.. Have a safe one all fellow Cdns !!

In Newfoundland, but from Southampton area! Thawing here, snow on the ski slopes disappearing by the hour, but as you say, will be on the ice and snow until end of March! I know the Prairies can be a bit chilly so take care out and about.

DftT wrote:
i tried to call the council today to see what was being done about the icy conditions and was on hold to the HIghways department for sooo long i hung up. What annoyed me was that the 'Customer Advisors' were all busy. I AM NOT A CUSTOMER OF THE COUNCIL!! i am a taxpayer and they are public servants - i do not CHOOSE to spend my money with Southampton City Council i am obliged to do so! and in the end, the rain sorted out the problem so maybe i should pay my council tax to the Met Office instead!!

Bear in mind that many 'customer service' people or whatever you want to call them may not have been able to get into work either, hence the delay. My friend who works in the Civic took two hours to walk to work and it's normally a 10 min bus ride!

When I left for work the council were gritting Witts Hill in Midanbury. It was 03:30 this morning.

freemantlegirl, i'm not knocking your mate and i agree that i was probably expecting too much of the HIghways Dept as they have no doubt a nightmare of a day - its more the fact that i dont like being seen as a CUSTOMER of the council. if i chose SCC because it offered the best value for money or i liked the brand then fair enough but its not like i have a choice as to which council gets my council tax now is it!

Hythe wrote:
Anyone know if its going to be the same tom? Have seen 3 contradicting weather forecasts!

more than likely rain, you can log on to a live weather site where they keep you up to date every 30 mins

DftT wrote:
freemantlegirl, i'm not knocking your mate and i agree that i was probably expecting too much of the HIghways Dept as they have no doubt a nightmare of a day - its more the fact that i dont like being seen as a CUSTOMER of the council. if i chose SCC because it offered the best value for money or i liked the brand then fair enough but its not like i have a choice as to which council gets my council tax now is it!

She works in the Council Tax department lol. Personally I don't have a problem with being a 'customer' although I agree slightly maybe resident would be better?

I think the Council need to think strategically about these things more. Train up other staff and transfer them onto gritter lorries and things when the weather is bad and have all night teams. The guys this morning were doing a sterling job in the town centre and I appreciate they may not have been able to get into work as early as they wanted to either but it's not their fault. The council need to put in an action plan, restore grit bins and also get in 'volunteer forces' like farmers with tractors etc (probably more applicable to Hants areas), ask residents of cul de sacs etc to grit their own roads (if they're able to). I expect though some jobsworth would come up with some 'elf and safety' reason why this can't be done these days!

you needed to be out and about at 05:45am, if was fine then, a bit cold and damp BUT then it rained for about 7 mins, the rain then stopped and in the next ten minutes everywhere turned to a sheet of ice.

EVEN if a gritter, and they were out and about, had just driven down your road, the salt would have wahed away and still frozen over how can anyone be at fault for the rain??? Surely common sense must previal, if it minus 7 degrees and there is icy/sleet/snow it is not sensible to drive like Jenon Button down the motorways/main roads!!!

COME ON PEOPLE use your heads !!!!

southy wrote:

Hythe wrote: Anyone know if its going to be the same tom? Have seen 3 contradicting weather forecasts!

more than likely rain, you can log on to a live weather site where they keep you up to date every 30 mins

Thanks!

bravebeth wrote:
It's the parents of children who attend nurseries who are the nightmare - they speed up the minor roads and dump their babies in the nurseries. It is amazung how everything else shuts yet young parents risk everything to dump their babies, poorly dressed and exposed to the chill, and then they drive madly away as fast as possible from the nurseries. I am sure if they were open Christmas Day, they would still dump their children at the nursery.

why are people so quick to judge young parents that choose to work and provide for their children? would you rather us all be at home on benefits so u pay more tax?? i dont think so! I love my kids as much as any young or old parent and would never put them in danger by speeding around in these conditions and i only work twice a week to make ends meet. give young parents a break we get stick for everything!!

LymingtonLady wrote:
"No sign of any grit all the way down Shirley High Street this morning. Pavements like an ice rink. People walking in the middle of the road because its safer. Then when I got to the traffic lights by the Manor pub (this was around 10am), there was a massive 'beach' of grit on the pavement. It's a bit pathetic, surely they could have done the pavements in Shirley High Street." Not many people who live in Shirley High Street actually contribute to tax money as they don't actually work. Something I have noticed every single day when I drive past the morans crossing the road whilst i'm on my way to work. So it's refreshing to hear that Shirley High Street was NOT a priority...

I really do hate people the judge others, Because your so perfect ,yeah!!
I'm sorry, I live just of shirley High st and i have a lot of friends and family that do as well.
We all work and pay are taxes and have since we left education, so just because we don't live in Lymington or some posh area please don't judge!!!! Lets hope next time this happens Lymington high st is not a priority and see the Moran's there struggle!!
There was at least 6 of my neighbours outside today(who all pay tax) trying to get to work, one of which is a young lady who works at the hospital and couldn't get there as there was no bus, more then 2hour wait for taxis and she tried to walk and went straight over.
And Bravebeth, I'm not a young parent i don't have any children but whats wrong with young parents taking the kids to the childminders if they can get there ,There not all the same, lets be fair if they didn't we'd be moaning that they are on benefits.. Give young parents a break they are only trying to do the best for there children and earn some money.

i think there may of been a bit of tounge n cheek in the first post and it was not personaly about anyone. i saw the funny side in the original post, just try and not let it become personal, i get this all the time as i live in sturminster house but both me and i partner work full time, but i dont take issues with anyone who wants to say anything about residents of sturmy

i drove down shirley high street at half 8 i did not slide or skid and the road was very passable and i saw no real issues on it and the traffic moved freely, we got to work on time

yes the pavements were very slippy but they were everywhere the council can not grit them. its logisticly a non starter and the cost would be a small fortune.

the side roads were a bit difficult to drive on but i made it all the way to heathrow and back and the only place where there was traffic and people struggling was here in southampton.

the council did grit the roads today was a freak of nature that i hope does not happen to often,

and yes i did fall over twice walking to the car

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

DftT wrote: i tried to call the council today to see what was being done about the icy conditions and was on hold to the HIghways department for sooo long i hung up. What annoyed me was that the 'Customer Advisors' were all busy. I AM NOT A CUSTOMER OF THE COUNCIL!! i am a taxpayer and they are public servants - i do not CHOOSE to spend my money with Southampton City Council i am obliged to do so! and in the end, the rain sorted out the problem so maybe i should pay my council tax to the Met Office instead!!

Bear in mind that many 'customer service' people or whatever you want to call them may not have been able to get into work either, hence the delay. My friend who works in the Civic took two hours to walk to work and it's normally a 10 min bus ride!

I think you should remember that the ‘customer service’ advisors are council tax payers too, who struggled to work to answer calls yesterday.

sotonwinch09 wrote:
I would like to thank the Media for scaring all the motorists into staying at home. My journey took 20 mins less than normal this morning because no-one was about. People just need to learn how to drive in Ice & Snow

I think there's some kind of misunderstanding there. People dont need to learn to drive in ice and snow; they need to learn to stay indoors until the bad weather conditions give over and stop trying to be effin Superman all the time.

freemantlegirl2 wrote:

DftT wrote: freemantlegirl, i'm not knocking your mate and i agree that i was probably expecting too much of the HIghways Dept as they have no doubt a nightmare of a day - its more the fact that i dont like being seen as a CUSTOMER of the council. if i chose SCC because it offered the best value for money or i liked the brand then fair enough but its not like i have a choice as to which council gets my council tax now is it!

She works in the Council Tax department lol. Personally I don't have a problem with being a 'customer' although I agree slightly maybe resident would be better? I think the Council need to think strategically about these things more. Train up other staff and transfer them onto gritter lorries and things when the weather is bad and have all night teams. The guys this morning were doing a sterling job in the town centre and I appreciate they may not have been able to get into work as early as they wanted to either but it's not their fault. The council need to put in an action plan, restore grit bins and also get in 'volunteer forces' like farmers with tractors etc (probably more applicable to Hants areas), ask residents of cul de sacs etc to grit their own roads (if they're able to). I expect though some jobsworth would come up with some 'elf and safety' reason why this can't be done these days!

There's nothing wrong with people attenpting to grit their own streets, or put salt down on the pavements. The trouble is that we have all been nannied to death in this country, so we now expect a social worker and policeman around every corner.

Everything is always someone else's responsibility; society is all our responsibilitiy and if some of us stopped being a moany lot of up ourselves whingebags this might be a better society.

Someone else is NOT always going to do something for you.