Fans have their say on Saints' plight (From Daily Echo)

Adkins should most definatley stay, he did wonders when he had nothing near a good squad. If the defence is strengthend I have great expections of Saint's being in the top evel again next year. The club must move quickley in January. Please Southampton fans stay behind your team and manager

Derek, Dundas, Ontario, Canada

there are some pretty ordinary teams in the premiership this season so despite our terrible start we can still stay up and make a fight of it.

Hmmm, agree with a lot if that quote but we should give NA a few more games to turn it around.
His substitutions have been poor, his defence is poor and buying J-Rod was a mistake as he is out of his depth.
Why did we loan out our top pre-season scorer? Sharp and Lambert would have been a strong front line.
But, as you said, our defence is embarrassing, although it looked strong first half v west ham.
So, lets see how we do this Saturday. A big loss and I think it's bye bye, an entertaining 4-3 loss might give him another week, draw will mean a week, a win will mean a November employment.
But please... no Hoddle!
By the way, what's Mr Keegan up to?
Good luck Saints, still proud of you out here in Norway!

Plenty of good points and a few not so good, don't agree with a lot of it, but I respect the right to that view. Me, I cannot see any future in sacking NA, we still have a reasonable chance of at least finishing 17th, but the disruption now of changing a manager, who is on a difficult learning curve, would in my opinion be a recipe for disaster. The best that genuine Saints supporters can do is to give 100%, anything less would be disgraceful.

Very poor journalism again from the Daily Echo - this is the 4th time today you've wanted to try and create a story about NA that doesn't exist. Did this letter actually exist or is just another pathetic (failed) attempt to have a dig at the club?

Give it up - NA deserves as mush time as possible to get this right, I for one will be 100% behind him

There are some good points in here, ut I think it's probably a bit harsh on balance.

We didn't simply out-score the opposition in the Championship. We kept many clean sheets and we broke numerous club records in the process over the last two seasons. However, I do believe that we got out of jail a few times (like Leeds away as an extreme example). Where Championship players miss numerous chances, Premiership ones do not.

We have been prone to the odd 'off day' like Leicester at home and Blackpool away for example. But, in the Premiership these have proven to be more embarrassing, like Arsenal and West Ham away.

We played so well against Man U and were very unlucky not to take anything from the game and I thought we were also unlucky against Wigan.

We will concede goals but we can bring in quality defenders in January. With the cash available in the Premiership (especially from next season) it is worth spending the money.... We will inevitably sell playersif we are eventually relegated.

My main concern is that the momentum is run out and confidence appears to be low at the moment.

I am not a season ticket holder and have never been one however I have followed the Saints in Australia since the 1976 season. All I can think of in the last two years in league one and the championship the Saints were awesome. I cannot fault anything that Martin says and I agree with him 80 per cent. I can't see how you can pay monkeys peanuts and expect them to perform. I am not making fun of our team but most of them are just not Premier league quality. I would say around 6-8 of the squad possibly would make it. For sure Davis, Lallana, Ramirez and Lambert. I would make Lambert our captain, I am so stunned he is not playing a full game. Is he tired or unfit what is going on with that. Lallana as good as he is. he is not captain material. Part of the reason this team is experiencing the problems is because the team is not stable with strange choices of positions and choices. I however disagree with not replacing the manager sooner than later. A quality manager can turn things around and the stranger choices and strategies would disappear. I truly hope having said all this that the whole squad and Manager prove me wrong and I would love egg on my face. But don't do it for me do it for yourselves, however I don't doubt one bit the effort hasn't been there I just think most of the players are not PL standard.

I am also a season ticket holder. I am of the opinion that the Echo is bereft of any true football knowledge amongst it's sport team.
We have been the stand out team in each of the two divisions we previously played in.
We are still probably in at least the top 5 best footballing sides in the premiership.
As much as it might suit the Echo and some of our more ignorant fans we are not in such a 'Plight'
We have a young talented manager (easily the best outside of the premiership) who will develop along with his team this season and will finish safely above the relegation zone.
We are far better equipped for survival in this league than the doom and gloom merchants will have you believe.
Really bored now of the Echo's pathetic attempts to cause unrest and disharmony.
I'd hate to work in your environment in tough times imagine all the negativity and depressives wallowing in their own poor luck!

Even if it's a genuine letter (and I suspect it is) then why is this news? One fan's opinion is worthy of an article in the paper? Why not just take a Confucious comment and put it up as an article?

The Echo really does plumb the depths sometimes.

Im a season ticket holder & have been for over 30 years.

NA substitutions are yes questionable!!

In my opinion it is NC who has to go he has such a big headed ego who ever comes in will have the same problem.

NA gets told to play the donkey Guly another cr*p player who is just not good enough.

Anyway COYR lets get behing NA & the boys and lets all sing we want NC out!! he`s Rupert Lowes long lost son..

Get off Nigel's back. Not saying that everything is rosy when it is obviously not, but far too soon to give up hope or to believe that Adkins can't turn things round. He's earnt so time.

well said.

BUT If not any better by xmas then sorry NA has go!!

Yes we have started this season poorly but it can easily be changed round , it only takes a couple of decent results on the bounce, take wigan last season as an example coming up to Christmas everyone had written them off but they managed to turn it around . Also we have been in this situation many times before especially in the 90s , I can here the great escape music as I type . I want NA to be the man to guide us

This is pathetic in the extreme!!

I just hope that being a "fair" "balanced" no agenda" paper that when a letter is received supporting Adkins that it is also published in FULL

Who along with me suspect's it won't be?

Before anyone says if you don't like it don't comment, it has been put up to cause discussion, provoke a reaction so I am

ONE NIGEL ADKINS
THERE IS ONLY ONE NIGEL ADKINS

Before I get shouted down about being "deluded" by MRGA and GHK whatever your number is, I'll ask this:

Lawrie McMenemy
Chris Nichol
Ian Branfoot
David Jones
Glen Hoddle
Stuart Grey
Gordon Strachan
Paul Sturrock
Steve Wigley
Harry Redknapp
Jan Poortvliet
Mark Wotte
Alan Pardew
or Nigel Adkins ......

I suspect that unlike me you won't have seen Football at the Dell or St Mary's under these

Personally only Strachan beats him, I was too young to really remember the Lawrie years (I started in 1983 at 8 years old)

We have a golden manager lets get behind him, support him and march on together. 17th is good enough for me.

Is this letter put here by a wum at the echo?
Either that or by someone who loves to follow success and hates having their previous "winning" association with Saints turn sour.

Once again;


IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!


Nige is a legend! Just like Laurie, just like Fergie at Man utd, time will tell, please let it be at Saints!

WE ARE NUMBER ONE IN THE SOUTH.

WE ALWAYS TAKE THE FIGHT TO THE OPPOSITION.

SUNDAY WE GO FOR VICTORY.

NO FEAR. NO SURRENDER.

RED ARMY. COYR
FIGHT AND WIN.

When will the Echo be printing the letter from a pro-Adkins supporter?

Headline is wrong.
It is not fans.
It is a letter writer.
It might be A fan, but I do not think he is a supporter.

Some one with this exact name is listed as leaving in BH13 - the postcode that includes our 'Arry's Sanbanks home. Coincidence or wind up? Either way it took me 2 mins to get this info. I wonder how deeply the Echo researched before publishing.....

Nice recital Optimist, in keeping with the stoicism may I?

Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds and shall find me unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll.
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.

The WH game was a clear eye-opener and hopefully will cause a change for the good, not sure why NA would come out and publicly admit he is unsure of how long he has? and some of the decisions are indeed baffling, as though someone else is having a decisive influence on those decisions?

Whatever we must show the players and the managment that us fans will never faulter and will sing to the very end...COYR's!

Ted Rogers wrote:
I am also a season ticket holder. I am of the opinion that the Echo is bereft of any true football knowledge amongst it's sport team.
We have been the stand out team in each of the two divisions we previously played in.
We are still probably in at least the top 5 best footballing sides in the premiership.
As much as it might suit the Echo and some of our more ignorant fans we are not in such a 'Plight'
We have a young talented manager (easily the best outside of the premiership) who will develop along with his team this season and will finish safely above the relegation zone.
We are far better equipped for survival in this league than the doom and gloom merchants will have you believe.
Really bored now of the Echo's pathetic attempts to cause unrest and disharmony.
I'd hate to work in your environment in tough times imagine all the negativity and depressives wallowing in their own poor luck!

Totally agree with Ted on this.

Who is Martin Van Tuyl from the Kingsland, I wonder...Hmmmm.
So many Wums too choose from!

Could this be him?

http://en-gb.faceboo
k.com/martin.vantuyl

Just been reading through the headlines. Getting really bored with this now. So many negative stories on here lately. I'm glad I've been too busy to read all the so called "Saints fans" views.

Plenty of time to turn the season round.
COYS

Ray the Don wrote:
Im a season ticket holder & have been for over 30 years.

NA substitutions are yes questionable!!

In my opinion it is NC who has to go he has such a big headed ego who ever comes in will have the same problem.

NA gets told to play the donkey Guly another cr*p player who is just not good enough.

Anyway COYR lets get behing NA & the boys and lets all sing we want NC out!! he`s Rupert Lowes long lost son..

Rupert's lost son!!! Call for his head?!!! WTF?! NC maybe a big head, but together we stand. Do not start wasting time shouting that from the stands when we should be shouting support!
Probably the worst thing that's been said on this site in years!
Although, why we kept Guly and J-Rod and gave our top pre-season scorer Billy away, I will never know.

Saints fans, raise the roof on Sunday and keep singing 'there's only one Nigel Adkins'. That will boost the players as well as our Nige.

COYR

Abbey Saint wrote:
Some one with this exact name is listed as leaving in BH13 - the postcode that includes our 'Arry's Sanbanks home. Coincidence or wind up? Either way it took me 2 mins to get this info. I wonder how deeply the Echo researched before publishing.....

Slight correction. I live at BH17

Optimist wrote:
Is this letter put here by a wum at the echo?
Either that or by someone who loves to follow success and hates having their previous "winning" association with Saints turn sour.

Once again;


IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!


Nige is a legend! Just like Laurie, just like Fergie at Man utd, time will tell, please let it be at Saints!

I am real! I have followed the Saints for 40 years. I am just starting to wonder if the Lowe years are now about to repeat themselves.

martin van tuyl wrote:

Abbey Saint wrote:
Some one with this exact name is listed as leaving in BH13 - the postcode that includes our 'Arry's Sanbanks home. Coincidence or wind up? Either way it took me 2 mins to get this info. I wonder how deeply the Echo researched before publishing.....

Slight correction. I live at BH17

Apologies - I was too eager too find a good story.

martin van tuyl wrote:

Optimist wrote:
Is this letter put here by a wum at the echo?
Either that or by someone who loves to follow success and hates having their previous "winning" association with Saints turn sour.

Once again;


IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!


Nige is a legend! Just like Laurie, just like Fergie at Man utd, time will tell, please let it be at Saints!

I am real! I have followed the Saints for 40 years. I am just starting to wonder if the Lowe years are now about to repeat themselves.

Based on what evidence, and I mean real facts, not tittle tattle, not hearsay, not uninformed speculation, but real concrete detail. I don't see any, just a few poor results which has left us on a bit of a downer, nothing that cannot be turned around.

Ray the Don wrote:
well said.

BUT If not any better by xmas then sorry NA has go!!

Go away

Ray the Don wrote:
Im a season ticket holder & have been for over 30 years.

NA substitutions are yes questionable!!

In my opinion it is NC who has to go he has such a big headed ego who ever comes in will have the same problem.

NA gets told to play the donkey Guly another cr*p player who is just not good enough.

Anyway COYR lets get behing NA & the boys and lets all sing we want NC out!! he`s Rupert Lowes long lost son..

A Season Ticket holder may be but no longer have a Milton End.

ButtyIoWSaint wrote:

Ted Rogers wrote:
I am also a season ticket holder. I am of the opinion that the Echo is bereft of any true football knowledge amongst it's sport team.
We have been the stand out team in each of the two divisions we previously played in.
We are still probably in at least the top 5 best footballing sides in the premiership.
As much as it might suit the Echo and some of our more ignorant fans we are not in such a 'Plight'
We have a young talented manager (easily the best outside of the premiership) who will develop along with his team this season and will finish safely above the relegation zone.
We are far better equipped for survival in this league than the doom and gloom merchants will have you believe.
Really bored now of the Echo's pathetic attempts to cause unrest and disharmony.
I'd hate to work in your environment in tough times imagine all the negativity and depressives wallowing in their own poor luck!

Totally agree with Ted on this.

Who is Martin Van Tuyl from the Kingsland, I wonder...Hmmmm.
So many Wums too choose from!

Ray the Dons brother may be.

martin van tuyl wrote:

Optimist wrote:
Is this letter put here by a wum at the echo?
Either that or by someone who loves to follow success and hates having their previous "winning" association with Saints turn sour.

Once again;


IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!


Nige is a legend! Just like Laurie, just like Fergie at Man utd, time will tell, please let it be at Saints!

I am real! I have followed the Saints for 40 years. I am just starting to wonder if the Lowe years are now about to repeat themselves.

Come on now a low point yes but thats all it is, compared with the exceptional work and results the last tweo seasons its minimal, NA now needs to show that he is aware and able, deal with the back four now, they are not good enough simple, yoshida doesn't belong on the left!

Lallana needs to be pulled back into the midfield where he is more effective and plays his strengths, Jay-Rod needs more work, he needs to believe he is better, confidence is his key and Lambert needs to start, maybe as captain?
C'mon Saints we need the battling spirit, take it on the chin and come back fighting, we are capable of mid-table at least this season.

rednwhite72 wrote:
Could this be him?

http://en-gb.faceboo

k.com/martin.vantuyl

Pictured with Le Tis, conspiracy theorists do your worst.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

rednwhite72 wrote:
Could this be him?

http://en-gb.faceboo


k.com/martin.vantuyl

Pictured with Le Tis, conspiracy theorists do your worst.

A Friend? or a chance photo opportunity?...hmmm the plot thickens..LOL

Any team would be struggling with confidence after the baptism we had playing Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal and Everton

November is a defining month. See where we are after West Brom, Swansea, QPR, Newcastle and Norwich. If its still bottom 3 I think NA will go. It's all about results - there's no sentiment in the business world and like it or not, this is business.

Dear All,
As a football coach i could not understand why N.A said in his interview after W.H that we would continue to play 4-3-3. We do not have to play 4-3-3. We need to play any formation and be able to adapt to each team. We should be playing 4-4-2 simple. Leaving R.L off the starting line up is a joke. You always start with your best players. simple. I have great respect for N.A but he is no good for this level.

have never liked Adkins but the guy has done his job but the stupidity in leaving ricky out an even buying j rod ( who I said in the summer on here was a waste of cash an got slated) an letting Sharp go on loan , as for the defence we all have said it a thousand times so why was this not noticed oh I forgot we bought another attacker to score more than we let in . all in all weve got easier games in November if we are still without
another win then its time for change not now , as much as Saturday hurt forget it move on an back the man an the team TOGETHER AS ONE COYR

dean69 wrote:
Dear All,
As a football coach i could not understand why N.A said in his interview after W.H that we would continue to play 4-3-3. We do not have to play 4-3-3. We need to play any formation and be able to adapt to each team. We should be playing 4-4-2 simple. Leaving R.L off the starting line up is a joke. You always start with your best players. simple. I have great respect for N.A but he is no good for this level.

At what level do you coach?

see billy sharp has scored again

one letter from terbourba (or some other knowall) and the echo think that the fans have spoken ....... got news for you mr kerrins , it's one letter !

one letter from terbourba (or some other knowall) and the echo think that the fans have spoken ....... got news for you mr kerrins , it's one letter !

hic

SUPER SAINT wrote:
see billy sharp has scored again

and Dexter got the equaliser. Dan Harding had a good game too.

606 poll has reached the 200 mark and reads 36 sack 164 keep.

NC can put a stop to all this speculation and inspire NA and the team by granting NA a 2 year extension to his contract.
Has he the guts to do it, if he did he would go from zero to hero in my opinion.

TEBOURBA wrote:
NC can put a stop to all this speculation and inspire NA and the team by granting NA a 2 year extension to his contract.
Has he the guts to do it, if he did he would go from zero to hero in my opinion.

lol , you know as well as i do that nigel's contract has already been extended ........... you crafty little scamp !

I think that Nigel underestimated the size of the task. We bought creativity and its injured. Puncheon has shown glimpses and Clyne is a great prospect. We do not have a decent left back at the club and the centre backs and especially Fonte just aren't good enough. I have been home and away for 30 years now and finally we have a solid base to work from. Lets not throw all the hard work away and let's remember the cold wet Tuesday nights at home and away to the likes of Yeovil Bristol City Gillingham Plymouth Orient etc etc. We are a great club with great support and I believe a good but not great manager. He needs to learn much quicker if we are to survive in this league. COYR!

Sorry I don't agree with this fan letter above, and simply b####y typical DE to jump on such a letter!

Seriously DE get behind the club a bit more! We have too many other knockers. Don't need the local rang on a mission too!

I wrote this letter out of pure frustration and a sense of disgust.

After all the heartache of the Lowe years and the aftermath, we are now in severe danger of throwing all the hard away again because of sheer stubbornness.

NA has done wonders to get us where we are, but....he needs to face up to reality. All very well saying we play nice football but what is the point if we get trounced every week.

All very well saying November will get easier but I seem to remember the last time we went down from the prem. We managed to scrape draws at home and got beaten on our travels then.

Blind faith is not the answer.

Abbey Saint wrote:
Some one with this exact name is listed as leaving in BH13 - the postcode that includes our 'Arry's Sanbanks home. Coincidence or wind up? Either way it took me 2 mins to get this info. I wonder how deeply the Echo researched before publishing.....

Slight correction. I live in BH17 and have no connection Harry what so ever, thank you.

martin van tuyl wrote:
I wrote this letter out of pure frustration and a sense of disgust.

After all the heartache of the Lowe years and the aftermath, we are now in severe danger of throwing all the hard away again because of sheer stubbornness.

NA has done wonders to get us where we are, but....he needs to face up to reality. All very well saying we play nice football but what is the point if we get trounced every week.

All very well saying November will get easier but I seem to remember the last time we went down from the prem. We managed to scrape draws at home and got beaten on our travels then.

Blind faith is not the answer.

Nor is blind panic after 8 games.
I too am 'Disgusted' mainly by donuts who call themselves fans who are impatient have no understanding of the game and will happily cry out for a change in management during what should be viewed as the most exciting period of development we've seen at the club for the last 10 years.

I literally cannot believe that the Echo have printed this utter rubbish.

Speaking as someone who has written a letter to the Echo previously about how Saints should learn to stick together and give NA a chance to put things right - funny how they chose not to publish that (I suspect it's because I was critical of the Echo itself, among other things).

I'm seriously beginning to wonder whether it's time for fans to start officially boycotting the Echo site and newspaper. It's the only way they're going to learn that the paper and the Club have to work TOGETHER.

Why is anyone surprised that the Club don't communicate with this rag?

TEBOURBA wrote:
NC can put a stop to all this speculation and inspire NA and the team by granting NA a 2 year extension to his contract.
Has he the guts to do it, if he did he would go from zero to hero in my opinion.

As we told you elsewhere the "Contract" runs to June 2015, it was probably tied in with the five year plan, which has been somewhat pushed out of kilter, by being two years in advance, we got promoted too soon and are suffering from the consequences. Now we are here we need to make the most of it, but unless three more teams turn out to have more problems than us, the whole kaboosh could backfire we will have to go down and start again having learned the lessons come back and try again. A game of snakes and ladders is a good analogy, we are approaching a snake, but with a decent roll of dice it could be avoided.

martin van tuyl wrote:

Abbey Saint wrote:
Some one with this exact name is listed as leaving in BH13 - the postcode that includes our 'Arry's Sanbanks home. Coincidence or wind up? Either way it took me 2 mins to get this info. I wonder how deeply the Echo researched before publishing.....

Slight correction. I live in BH17 and have no connection Harry what so ever, thank you.

Fair enough, most on here did give you the benefit of the doubt with your opinion, but are you surprised with the reaction and have given it any thought that would change your mind on any of the various points as expressed by other posters.

Dont know if its just me but I feel that Nigel over analyses the game especially with the tinkering of the team and his strange substitutions. I know we have had injuries but you have to play your best team week in week out, Lambert is a must 90mins player every game, he is the type of player tired or not who can change a game in an instant. Our obvious problem is the defence, we have no pace in the centre half positions and this is killing us in this league. We need an experienced prem player at the heart of defence someone who can marshall it. Matt Dawson at Spurs comes to mind, can we get him on loan with a view to signing in January? Not sure myself but I am sure that Fonte and Hooiveld cannot cut it at this level and that is a fact.

OHMYGODWECANNOTLOANP
LAYERSTHELOANWINDOWI
SSHUT!!!

Sainty saint saint wrote:
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THANKS FOR THAT!! WAS JUST ASKING DONUT!!!

Taunton Saint wrote:
This is pathetic in the extreme!!

I just hope that being a "fair" "balanced" no agenda" paper that when a letter is received supporting Adkins that it is also published in FULL

Who along with me suspect's it won't be?

Before anyone says if you don't like it don't comment, it has been put up to cause discussion, provoke a reaction so I am

ONE NIGEL ADKINS
THERE IS ONLY ONE NIGEL ADKINS

Before I get shouted down about being "deluded" by MRGA and GHK whatever your number is, I'll ask this:

Lawrie McMenemy
Chris Nichol
Ian Branfoot
David Jones
Glen Hoddle
Stuart Grey
Gordon Strachan
Paul Sturrock
Steve Wigley
Harry Redknapp
Jan Poortvliet
Mark Wotte
Alan Pardew
or Nigel Adkins ......

I suspect that unlike me you won't have seen Football at the Dell or St Mary's under these

Personally only Strachan beats him, I was too young to really remember the Lawrie years (I started in 1983 at 8 years old)

We have a golden manager lets get behind him, support him and march on together. 17th is good enough for me.

You've missed out Alan ball.......... Saints fan? Really?

ghk230473 wrote:

Taunton Saint wrote:
This is pathetic in the extreme!!

I just hope that being a "fair" "balanced" no agenda" paper that when a letter is received supporting Adkins that it is also published in FULL

Who along with me suspect's it won't be?

Before anyone says if you don't like it don't comment, it has been put up to cause discussion, provoke a reaction so I am

ONE NIGEL ADKINS
THERE IS ONLY ONE NIGEL ADKINS

Before I get shouted down about being "deluded" by MRGA and GHK whatever your number is, I'll ask this:

Lawrie McMenemy
Chris Nichol
Ian Branfoot
David Jones
Glen Hoddle
Stuart Grey
Gordon Strachan
Paul Sturrock
Steve Wigley
Harry Redknapp
Jan Poortvliet
Mark Wotte
Alan Pardew
or Nigel Adkins ......

I suspect that unlike me you won't have seen Football at the Dell or St Mary's under these

Personally only Strachan beats him, I was too young to really remember the Lawrie years (I started in 1983 at 8 years old)

We have a golden manager lets get behind him, support him and march on together. 17th is good enough for me.

You've missed out Alan ball.......... Saints fan? Really?

And burley!

Ted Rogers wrote:

martin van tuyl wrote: I wrote this letter out of pure frustration and a sense of disgust. After all the heartache of the Lowe years and the aftermath, we are now in severe danger of throwing all the hard away again because of sheer stubbornness. NA has done wonders to get us where we are, but....he needs to face up to reality. All very well saying we play nice football but what is the point if we get trounced every week. All very well saying November will get easier but I seem to remember the last time we went down from the prem. We managed to scrape draws at home and got beaten on our travels then. Blind faith is not the answer.

Nor is blind panic after 8 games. I too am 'Disgusted' mainly by donuts who call themselves fans who are impatient have no understanding of the game and will happily cry out for a change in management during what should be viewed as the most exciting period of development we've seen at the club for the last 10 years.

Donuts...love it lol

Blimey for all your belly aching about the echo you guys certainly spend a lot of time chirping on here. Cant be that bad or they wouldn't post your thoughts. Bottom line is folks we don't have a premier league side so whoever was the manager they would be hard pressed not to avoid the drop next year. I think the worst of it is the embarrassment we all feel when the games are televised, reminds of that dreadful Sunderland team who Kelv played for and became a joke. Please don't do that to us Nigel at least park the **** bus so we don't lose by double digits. Like most including NA I am resigned to relegation but as I said please don't turn us into a joke team

teamster wrote:

Sainty saint saint wrote:
OHMYGODWECANNOTLOANP


LAYERSTHELOANWINDOWI


SSHUT!!!

THANKS FOR THAT!! WAS JUST ASKING DONUT!!!

We can, however sign unattached players and still have one space in the 25 Senior Players that are permitted. Get me a suitable left back and sign him on.

Publishing a letter from one of the 20% dissenters is the height of unfair stupidity. Negative people are always there at game slagging the team and successive managers. 2 years ago I flew 12,500 miles to watch saint and had them dotted all around me calling Pards clueless and slagging Rickie Lambert calling him a fat useless pedestrian. They go to matches to slag and boo and have their say and now it seems the Echo has joined in.
Thank goodness true saints football fans are more positive, they keep misgivings to themselves and have the balls to sing their heads off to the whistle. You absolute traitor Van Tool.. when we are in europe I hope you are banned!!!! shove your season ticket and stay away.

Tirau Dan wrote:
Publishing a letter from one of the 20% dissenters is the height of unfair stupidity. Negative people are always there at game slagging the team and successive managers. 2 years ago I flew 12,500 miles to watch saint and had them dotted all around me calling Pards clueless and slagging Rickie Lambert calling him a fat useless pedestrian. They go to matches to slag and boo and have their say and now it seems the Echo has joined in.
Thank goodness true saints football fans are more positive, they keep misgivings to themselves and have the balls to sing their heads off to the whistle. You absolute traitor Van Tool.. when we are in europe I hope you are banned!!!! shove your season ticket and stay away.

Interesting comments. We live in a free society and I happen to believe what I wrote. If you honestly think we can stay up shipping that many goals every game then that is up to you. Our views differ but that does not mean to say I am going to resort to crass abuse. Football is a matter of opinions.....

martin van tuyl wrote:

Tirau Dan wrote:
Publishing a letter from one of the 20% dissenters is the height of unfair stupidity. Negative people are always there at game slagging the team and successive managers. 2 years ago I flew 12,500 miles to watch saint and had them dotted all around me calling Pards clueless and slagging Rickie Lambert calling him a fat useless pedestrian. They go to matches to slag and boo and have their say and now it seems the Echo has joined in.
Thank goodness true saints football fans are more positive, they keep misgivings to themselves and have the balls to sing their heads off to the whistle. You absolute traitor Van Tool.. when we are in europe I hope you are banned!!!! shove your season ticket and stay away.

Interesting comments. We live in a free society and I happen to believe what I wrote. If you honestly think we can stay up shipping that many goals every game then that is up to you. Our views differ but that does not mean to say I am going to resort to crass abuse. Football is a matter of opinions.....

I must apologise for the name play Martin but I cannot see the point of your letter to the Echo at all.. It is anti club and insulting to Nicola and Nigel.

I see Jay Rod as a player for the future getting time on the pitch to develop whilst Rickie is kept fresh for impact in rotation.. No problem with that at all. Smashing as Rickie is, he is 30yrs old, we are not a one man team and we are looking to the future.

Billy Sharp was slower on the turn and lacks the instinct of Rickie.. Jay has the guile and speed required to step up for the wider game, he reminds me of a young Martin Chivers and given a go he'll prove it.

All your comments were similar to those thrown at Alan Pardew when he took so long to get off the mark and recoup the -10. and I am so glad they didn't throw him out after 8 or 9 games.

I stand by my belief in Nigel now and for the future. By saying you can;t see anyone else around that could make a difference at the moment you shoot yourself right in the foot.... There is no better manager for Saints at the moment... Your Rafa's, Vialli's, Keegan's etc... no way would we want them at Saints.

It's a good time and use the opportunity to ask people who did ask for change one straight question as yet unanswered by any of the dissenters:

Who would you have instead?

And why would you want change after so few games bearing in mind that Keegan lost his first 8 games on his return to Newcastle using 442 and only started to win using 433?

I believe some players need to step up or get shipped out in the summer window but have utter (not blind) faith in management to do that without advice from Martin Van Tuyl et al..

ps have you met Adam Lallana or those around him.. do you know how they feel about Adam? If not your opinion is again unwanted claptrap.

Again the late sub issue - do you recall Pards and his 3-5 minute spells at the end.. and how often did Papa come on and score.. It does happen.

Let the manager manage..

Tirau Dan wrote:
ps have you met Adam Lallana or those around him.. do you know how they feel about Adam? If not your opinion is again unwanted claptrap.

Again the late sub issue - do you recall Pards and his 3-5 minute spells at the end.. and how often did Papa come on and score.. It does happen.

Let the manager manage..

And let the back four ship goals galore!

D.Armstrong76 wrote:
I am not a season ticket holder and have never been one however I have followed the Saints in Australia since the 1976 season. All I can think of in the last two years in league one and the championship the Saints were awesome. I cannot fault anything that Martin says and I agree with him 80 per cent. I can't see how you can pay monkeys peanuts and expect them to perform. I am not making fun of our team but most of them are just not Premier league quality. I would say around 6-8 of the squad possibly would make it. For sure Davis, Lallana, Ramirez and Lambert. I would make Lambert our captain, I am so stunned he is not playing a full game. Is he tired or unfit what is going on with that. Lallana as good as he is. he is not captain material. Part of the reason this team is experiencing the problems is because the team is not stable with strange choices of positions and choices. I however disagree with not replacing the manager sooner than later. A quality manager can turn things around and the stranger choices and strategies would disappear. I truly hope having said all this that the whole squad and Manager prove me wrong and I would love egg on my face. But don't do it for me do it for yourselves, however I don't doubt one bit the effort hasn't been there I just think most of the players are not PL standard.

Replacing the manager is a gamble. I did not advocate that in my letter and think he ought to be given a little more time but....the way we are going is simply not working. We might get lucky Sunday as Spurs have had an Europa game and a few injuries. But a win is vital.

The fact we manager to win back to back promotions from League 1 and the Championship does not mean we are equipped for the Premiership.

Of course Nigel has done wonders but he is going to have to adopt a far more pragmatic approach.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Plenty of good points and a few not so good, don't agree with a lot of it, but I respect the right to that view. Me, I cannot see any future in sacking NA, we still have a reasonable chance of at least finishing 17th, but the disruption now of changing a manager, who is on a difficult learning curve, would in my opinion be a recipe for disaster. The best that genuine Saints supporters can do is to give 100%, anything less would be disgraceful.

My quote, "I am staying loyal" has been overlooked or simply ignored by too many people thinking criticism is akin to treason.

martin van tuyl wrote:

Tirau Dan wrote:
ps have you met Adam Lallana or those around him.. do you know how they feel about Adam? If not your opinion is again unwanted claptrap.

Again the late sub issue - do you recall Pards and his 3-5 minute spells at the end.. and how often did Papa come on and score.. It does happen.

Let the manager manage..

And let the back four ship goals galore!

answer the questions and stop repeating.