Teenage starlet Shaw a Saints torchbearer (From Daily Echo)

SO50 Saint wrote:
He's looked excellent and tbf to Nigel was a great decision when bringing Fox on on Sat. 4 points over the next week would be great 6 would be fantastic going to Anfield full of confidence and you never know won their before remember the game in 03 we were magnificent possibly M Svennson's best game for the club

puppy saint wrote:
Don't forget to ssssssshhhhhhhh today.

Red n White wrote:
We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future.

Nemesisaint wrote:
Anyone that backed Nigel to be the first to go must be spitting feathers!

GX Saint wrote:
This is down to Cortese and Adkins. Surely the Cortese knockers and Adkins out brigade will see what's going on at St Mary's and give the set up a bit more time.
You don't have to like him but this is Cortese's vision and I for one want to give it the time it deserves.
Roll on Sunday, seems a long way off still - can't wait after how well we played at Loftus Road.
COYR

Puddletown Saint wrote:
Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday.

Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future.

Your thoughts

TheSaintsMan wrote:
The Echo have posted something positive?! Blimey...

Shaw is a great player but inexperienced, this Premier League game time is fantastic for him because it will mould him into a better player quite quickly due to his experience.

Either that or put Danny Fox back in. Anyone?

Puddletown Saint wrote:
Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday.

Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future.

Your thoughts

St Retford wrote:

Puddletown Saint wrote:
Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday.

Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future.

Your thoughts

I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.

El Santo wrote:

St Retford wrote:

Puddletown Saint wrote:
Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday.

Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future.

Your thoughts

I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.

Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).

St Retford wrote:

El Santo wrote:

St Retford wrote:

Puddletown Saint wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts

I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.

Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).

Aye, I guess that in a few years we'll have a team in place with enough youngsters coming through that when it comes to the transfer market we'll only be buying one or two players of real quality each window, rather than having to buy half a team, which is where we were in the summer. It's exciting - the players we'll actually be buying will be the genuinely exceptional ones, regardless of age.

St Retford wrote:

El Santo wrote:

St Retford wrote:

Puddletown Saint wrote:
Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday.

Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future.

Your thoughts

I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.

Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).

Aye, I guess that in a few years we'll have a team in place with enough youngsters coming through that when it comes to the transfer market we'll only be buying one or two players of real quality each window, rather than having to buy half a team, which is where we were in the summer. It's exciting - the players we'll actually be buying will be the genuinely exceptional ones, regardless of age.

St Retford wrote:
Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked.

Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.

St Retford wrote:
Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked.

Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

St Retford wrote:
Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked.

Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.

As a businessman this is quite simple to me. You appoint someone and if he doesn't deliver you let him go.

However, in these circumstances you take an element of blame yourself because you either appointed the wrong person or failed to provide him with the resources and support to complete his objectives.

Abramovich has gone through nine managers in nine years. That's an appalling failure rate. The only common denominator is Abramovich himself. At what stage do you say that Abramovich is patently not up to the job?

El Santo wrote:

St Retford wrote:

Puddletown Saint wrote:
Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday.

Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future.

Your thoughts

I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.

Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).

GX Saint wrote:

St Retford wrote:

El Santo wrote:

St Retford wrote:

Puddletown Saint wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts

I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.

Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).

Aye, I guess that in a few years we'll have a team in place with enough youngsters coming through that when it comes to the transfer market we'll only be buying one or two players of real quality each window, rather than having to buy half a team, which is where we were in the summer. It's exciting - the players we'll actually be buying will be the genuinely exceptional ones, regardless of age.

You're sailing close to the wind Sally Bercow style with any reference to Tory MPs from that era.

I think all we need to supplement the youthful squad we've got is an on loan established keeper (Friedel fits the bill and AVB may have to plump for his expensive French keeper and name him #1 now) and a big ugly premier league centre back, also on loan probably. There must be options other than Dawson slightly down the pecking order who'd fancy a loan switch; I've got my doubts about Dawson.

El Santo wrote:

St Retford wrote:

Puddletown Saint wrote:
Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday.

Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future.

Your thoughts

I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.

Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).

st1halo wrote:

El Santo wrote:

St Retford wrote:

Puddletown Saint wrote:
Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday.

Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future.

Your thoughts

I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.

Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).

Agree with that. The best and most succesful teams are usually a blend of youth and experience, something we have managed well in the past


STID

seventh-junction wrote:
Ssssshhhhhhh......00

7 skuntfall

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

St Retford wrote:
Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked.

Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.

As a businessman this is quite simple to me. You appoint someone and if he doesn't deliver you let him go.

However, in these circumstances you take an element of blame yourself because you either appointed the wrong person or failed to provide him with the resources and support to complete his objectives.

Abramovich has gone through nine managers in nine years. That's an appalling failure rate. The only common denominator is Abramovich himself. At what stage do you say that Abramovich is patently not up to the job?

I suppose that's one key difference between Chelsea and Saints.

The problem at Chelsea (and elsewhere) is that the guy who has the money is the same one who takes the day-to-day decisions.

Abramovich is 'up to the job' all the time that HE is in charge and it's HIS money to spend.

At Saints, should the Leibherrs ever decide that NC isn't 'up to the job', they can boot him out or pull the plug.

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

St Retford wrote:
Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked.

Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.

As a businessman this is quite simple to me. You appoint someone and if he doesn't deliver you let him go.

However, in these circumstances you take an element of blame yourself because you either appointed the wrong person or failed to provide him with the resources and support to complete his objectives.

Abramovich has gone through nine managers in nine years. That's an appalling failure rate. The only common denominator is Abramovich himself. At what stage do you say that Abramovich is patently not up to the job?

I suppose that's one key difference between Chelsea and Saints.

The problem at Chelsea (and elsewhere) is that the guy who has the money is the same one who takes the day-to-day decisions.

Abramovich is 'up to the job' all the time that HE is in charge and it's HIS money to spend.

At Saints, should the Leibherrs ever decide that NC isn't 'up to the job', they can boot him out or pull the plug.

Owning something doesn't mean you are 'up to the job'. It does mean you have the power to block anyone from making the necessary structural changes. That is why Chelsea haven't won as much as their expenditure would normally warrant.

Velleity wrote:

St Retford wrote:
Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked.

Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.

Watch out, he'll be after our Nigel...

st1halo wrote:

seventh-junction wrote: Ssssshhhhhhh......00 7 skuntfall

Went on the skates site for a read last night.... fookn hilarious! They were saying ' looks like we're going to get elegated even before the 10 point deduction' I dont think they realise that the -10 deduction is like a little packed lunch and they take it with them into Lg2 if the FA are conistent! HAHAHAHAHA STID *Cue the Bond theme*

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Interesting quote from the skunts site:

'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.'

Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed:

'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website.

Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over'

How will we ever compete with this financial might?

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Interesting quote from the skunts site:

'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.'

Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed:

'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website.

Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over'

How will we ever compete with this financial might?

st1halo wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Interesting quote from the skunts site:

'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.'

Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed:

'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website.

Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over'

How will we ever compete with this financial might?

Exactly!?
As one of the skates said - Barcelona fans own their club, Pompey fans will own their club - you can certainly see the likeness!
Champions league winners 2543, that's my bet!
It's time for all us true Saints fans to emulate our greatest ever great hampshire ever greatest club down the road.
So ... if 20000 cannot turn up on Sunday that would be a good start! For those that do... we must make sure we boo the team all through the game to show our support and leave after 70 mins!
After Sunday we must all make pledges to SFC, don't worry, it's only a pledge, no money involved!
If we all stick together and do this we can truly become the best bestest ever south coast best hampshire ever bestest history ever ever!


STID

*Cue the Bond theme*

st1halo wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

St Retford wrote:
Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked.

Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.

As a businessman this is quite simple to me. You appoint someone and if he doesn't deliver you let him go.

However, in these circumstances you take an element of blame yourself because you either appointed the wrong person or failed to provide him with the resources and support to complete his objectives.

Abramovich has gone through nine managers in nine years. That's an appalling failure rate. The only common denominator is Abramovich himself. At what stage do you say that Abramovich is patently not up to the job?

I suppose that's one key difference between Chelsea and Saints.

The problem at Chelsea (and elsewhere) is that the guy who has the money is the same one who takes the day-to-day decisions.

Abramovich is 'up to the job' all the time that HE is in charge and it's HIS money to spend.

At Saints, should the Leibherrs ever decide that NC isn't 'up to the job', they can boot him out or pull the plug.

Owning something doesn't mean you are 'up to the job'. It does mean you have the power to block anyone from making the necessary structural changes. That is why Chelsea haven't won as much as their expenditure would normally warrant.

It's a ridiculous situation really. I imagine Abramovich interferes all the time (I don't know though) so maybe he should just appoint himself manager and be done with it.
It's the arrogance and complacency that bothers me. Can you imagine Saints sacking NA a few months after winning the Champions League Title? Jeez.


STID

seventh-junction wrote:

st1halo wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Interesting quote from the skunts site:

'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.'

Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed:

'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website.

Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over'

How will we ever compete with this financial might?

Exactly!?
As one of the skates said - Barcelona fans own their club, Pompey fans will own their club - you can certainly see the likeness!
Champions league winners 2543, that's my bet!
It's time for all us true Saints fans to emulate our greatest ever great hampshire ever greatest club down the road.
So ... if 20000 cannot turn up on Sunday that would be a good start! For those that do... we must make sure we boo the team all through the game to show our support and leave after 70 mins!
After Sunday we must all make pledges to SFC, don't worry, it's only a pledge, no money involved!
If we all stick together and do this we can truly become the best bestest ever south coast best hampshire ever bestest history ever ever!


STID

*Cue the Bond theme*

Like it!......007 Skuntfall... Rev up the Aston Martin!

saintshorse101 wrote:
pleased that shaw is doing so well, though i do feel that fox was made a scapegoat for all of the losses. what i am even more pleased about is the fact that our academy is producing player after player who have the ability to play well in the prem. this can only be a good thing for us, bringing through youngsters is the way forward. the academy will be funded by the players, who are not up to our standard, being sold on to other teams. the academy is the answer to our long term future success and i can not wait. i bet other clubs fans now wished that they had put some money into their academy instead of just buying overpriced overpaid players.

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

st1halo wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

St Retford wrote:
Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked.

Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.

As a businessman this is quite simple to me. You appoint someone and if he doesn't deliver you let him go.

However, in these circumstances you take an element of blame yourself because you either appointed the wrong person or failed to provide him with the resources and support to complete his objectives.

Abramovich has gone through nine managers in nine years. That's an appalling failure rate. The only common denominator is Abramovich himself. At what stage do you say that Abramovich is patently not up to the job?

I suppose that's one key difference between Chelsea and Saints.

The problem at Chelsea (and elsewhere) is that the guy who has the money is the same one who takes the day-to-day decisions.

Abramovich is 'up to the job' all the time that HE is in charge and it's HIS money to spend.

At Saints, should the Leibherrs ever decide that NC isn't 'up to the job', they can boot him out or pull the plug.

Owning something doesn't mean you are 'up to the job'. It does mean you have the power to block anyone from making the necessary structural changes. That is why Chelsea haven't won as much as their expenditure would normally warrant.

It's a ridiculous situation really. I imagine Abramovich interferes all the time (I don't know though) so maybe he should just appoint himself manager and be done with it.
It's the arrogance and complacency that bothers me. Can you imagine Saints sacking NA a few months after winning the Champions League Title? Jeez.


STID

He seeks short term gratification and doesn't achieve it. Five years ago he sacked Chelseas most successful manager of all time, Jose Mourinho.

We will never know what Jose would have achieved had he stayed but I bet it would be far greater than what has actually happened.

Chasing short term success can end up with failure in the short term and the long term.

That is why we have all stood behind Nigel. We've been there and done it with the revolving door policy and it failed us too.

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

seventh-junction wrote:

st1halo wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Interesting quote from the skunts site:

'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.'

Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed:

'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website.

Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over'

How will we ever compete with this financial might?

Exactly!?
As one of the skates said - Barcelona fans own their club, Pompey fans will own their club - you can certainly see the likeness!
Champions league winners 2543, that's my bet!
It's time for all us true Saints fans to emulate our greatest ever great hampshire ever greatest club down the road.
So ... if 20000 cannot turn up on Sunday that would be a good start! For those that do... we must make sure we boo the team all through the game to show our support and leave after 70 mins!
After Sunday we must all make pledges to SFC, don't worry, it's only a pledge, no money involved!
If we all stick together and do this we can truly become the best bestest ever south coast best hampshire ever bestest history ever ever!


STID

*Cue the Bond theme*

Like it!......007 Skuntfall... Rev up the Aston Martin!

I think we should all go to a skunt match to show solidarity. I'm prepared to boo for 95 minutes.

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

seventh-junction wrote:

st1halo wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Interesting quote from the skunts site:

'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.'

Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed:

'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website.

Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over'

How will we ever compete with this financial might?

Exactly!?
As one of the skates said - Barcelona fans own their club, Pompey fans will own their club - you can certainly see the likeness!
Champions league winners 2543, that's my bet!
It's time for all us true Saints fans to emulate our greatest ever great hampshire ever greatest club down the road.
So ... if 20000 cannot turn up on Sunday that would be a good start! For those that do... we must make sure we boo the team all through the game to show our support and leave after 70 mins!
After Sunday we must all make pledges to SFC, don't worry, it's only a pledge, no money involved!
If we all stick together and do this we can truly become the best bestest ever south coast best hampshire ever bestest history ever ever!


STID

*Cue the Bond theme*

Like it!......007 Skuntfall... Rev up the Aston Martin!

I think we should all go to a skunt match to show solidarity. I'm prepared to boo for 95 minutes.

st1halo wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

seventh-junction wrote:

st1halo wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Interesting quote from the skunts site:

'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.'

Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed:

'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website.

Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over'

How will we ever compete with this financial might?

Exactly!?
As one of the skates said - Barcelona fans own their club, Pompey fans will own their club - you can certainly see the likeness!
Champions league winners 2543, that's my bet!
It's time for all us true Saints fans to emulate our greatest ever great hampshire ever greatest club down the road.
So ... if 20000 cannot turn up on Sunday that would be a good start! For those that do... we must make sure we boo the team all through the game to show our support and leave after 70 mins!
After Sunday we must all make pledges to SFC, don't worry, it's only a pledge, no money involved!
If we all stick together and do this we can truly become the best bestest ever south coast best hampshire ever bestest history ever ever!


STID

*Cue the Bond theme*

Like it!......007 Skuntfall... Rev up the Aston Martin!

I think we should all go to a skunt match to show solidarity. I'm prepared to boo for 95 minutes.

I actually thought last night we should take a load down there and watch a game (when they're on tv)
How funny would it be, we'd probably outumber them, I know we would be giving them our money, but it would be worth the crack!!!

STID

Velleity wrote:
I was wondering about this very question on Saturday; whether we were the youngest team out there. Odd for the Daily Echo to post something so positive - keep it up.

What a triumph of forward vision and belief in the future.

Velleity wrote:
I was wondering about this very question on Saturday; whether we were the youngest team out there. Odd for the Daily Echo to post something so positive - keep it up.

What a triumph of forward vision and belief in the future.

Velleity wrote:
I was wondering about this very question on Saturday; whether we were the youngest team out there. Odd for the Daily Echo to post something so positive - keep it up.

What a triumph of forward vision and belief in the future.

Velleity wrote:
I was wondering about this very question on Saturday; whether we were the youngest team out there. Odd for the Daily Echo to post something so positive - keep it up.

What a triumph of forward vision and belief in the future.

seventh-junction wrote:

st1halo wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

seventh-junction wrote:

st1halo wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Interesting quote from the skunts site:

'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.'

Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed:

'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website.

Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over'

How will we ever compete with this financial might?

Exactly!?
As one of the skates said - Barcelona fans own their club, Pompey fans will own their club - you can certainly see the likeness!
Champions league winners 2543, that's my bet!
It's time for all us true Saints fans to emulate our greatest ever great hampshire ever greatest club down the road.
So ... if 20000 cannot turn up on Sunday that would be a good start! For those that do... we must make sure we boo the team all through the game to show our support and leave after 70 mins!
After Sunday we must all make pledges to SFC, don't worry, it's only a pledge, no money involved!
If we all stick together and do this we can truly become the best bestest ever south coast best hampshire ever bestest history ever ever!


STID

*Cue the Bond theme*

Like it!......007 Skuntfall... Rev up the Aston Martin!

I think we should all go to a skunt match to show solidarity. I'm prepared to boo for 95 minutes.

I actually thought last night we should take a load down there and watch a game (when they're on tv)
How funny would it be, we'd probably outumber them, I know we would be giving them our money, but it would be worth the crack!!!

STID

That would be interesting and a laugh. We could by a T shirt each and also record the booing and racial abuse on our phones.

st1halo wrote:

seventh-junction wrote:

st1halo wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

seventh-junction wrote:

st1halo wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Interesting quote from the skunts site:

'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.'

Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed:

'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website.

Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over'

How will we ever compete with this financial might?

Exactly!?
As one of the skates said - Barcelona fans own their club, Pompey fans will own their club - you can certainly see the likeness!
Champions league winners 2543, that's my bet!
It's time for all us true Saints fans to emulate our greatest ever great hampshire ever greatest club down the road.
So ... if 20000 cannot turn up on Sunday that would be a good start! For those that do... we must make sure we boo the team all through the game to show our support and leave after 70 mins!
After Sunday we must all make pledges to SFC, don't worry, it's only a pledge, no money involved!
If we all stick together and do this we can truly become the best bestest ever south coast best hampshire ever bestest history ever ever!


STID

*Cue the Bond theme*

Like it!......007 Skuntfall... Rev up the Aston Martin!

I think we should all go to a skunt match to show solidarity. I'm prepared to boo for 95 minutes.

I actually thought last night we should take a load down there and watch a game (when they're on tv)
How funny would it be, we'd probably outumber them, I know we would be giving them our money, but it would be worth the crack!!!

STID

That would be interesting and a laugh. We could by a T shirt each and also record the booing and racial abuse on our phones.

Don't wanna damage my phone though, by all accounts a structural surveyor has gone to their ground this morning.... apparently the booing was so loud and consistent it damaged the Fratton foundations, the old lady on the scooter taped up and blacked out her windows because she thought it was the Blitz!
Don't know about buying a t shirt, can't we buy some Westwood jim-jams?
We need to come up with a theme for when it's 8 losses, apparently that will be their worst run in nearly 50 years!
HAHAHAHAHA

STID

*Cue the Bond theme*(loveing it!)

seventh-junction wrote:
Westwood jim-jams would look great though. Would they let us in with plastic trumpets as well?

st1halo wrote:

seventh-junction wrote:
Westwood jim-jams would look great though. Would they let us in with plastic trumpets as well?

I expect so but we would have to wear size 20 shoes though!

STID

Red n White wrote:
We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future.

st1halo wrote:

seventh-junction wrote:
Westwood jim-jams would look great though. Would they let us in with plastic trumpets as well?

I expect so but we would have to wear size 20 shoes though!

STID

st1halo wrote:

st1halo wrote:

seventh-junction wrote:
Westwood jim-jams would look great though. Would they let us in with plastic trumpets as well?

I expect so but we would have to wear size 20 shoes though!

STID

Is it possible to get platic trumpets that play the Hawaii 50 theme tune, that would be a nice touch!
We could all shout our support for Guy 'McGarrett' Twatingham

STID

seventh-junction wrote:

st1halo wrote:

seventh-junction wrote:
Westwood jim-jams would look great though. Would they let us in with plastic trumpets as well?

I expect so but we would have to wear size 20 shoes though!

STID

That would make driving a normal car pretty difficult. We'd have to leave early and take the clowns car or all ride our wonky wheeled bikes down there.
We'd have to leave about 9am for a 3pm kick off!
007...Skuntfall!!!

CB FRY LIVES wrote:

Red n White wrote:
We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future.

The future so bright i've goota wear shades.COYR.
A recent graduate of the saints youth team was on parade at Poirpoisemouth last night.LLOYD JAMES when Leyton Orient spanked the fratton clueless ones.To even matters out the home side also had an ex saints youth team player-their skipper Brian Howard.When he was at saints he was an England international at several levels although despite a move from us to chelsea he never really made it as a top grade player.So a salutary caution before we get too carried away with the Luke Shaw band wagon.
I go back a long way with saints and can remember TED BATES TADPOLES going to OLD TRAFFORD with our youth team at the height of the BUSBY BABES era when the man U team had won the youth cup competition several years in a row.We gave the Man u youngsters a good tonking.one of their team members was Kenny Morgans the welsh winger who a month or so along the line was a survivor of rthe dreadful Munich aircrash.Kenny sadly died a few days ago.
Our side that night featured the likes of TERRY PAINE aND john sydenham who ten years later were playing top flight football for us on a regular basis and providing the ammunition for our own great welsh striker RON DAVIES.Other members of our team that night never really made it at the very top.Although goalie TONY GODFREY did play several 1st team games for us over several years before moving on to Aldershot.Wing half Terry Simpson also played a few games but he was always behind Cliff Huxford in the pecking order.Although Terry did move on to top division football with WBA.Our centre forward that evening at old trafford was Wesley Maughan from the isle of wight who also played several times for the first team but he was up against the likes of Derek Reeves for the covetted no 9 shirt and he moved on to play for reading.
Moral of this little tale is that great youth team players do not always blossom a few seasons down the line.
Having said that i do believe that the youngsters we have at the moment are as good as any other club in england have in 2012.

seventh-junction wrote:

st1halo wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

seventh-junction wrote:

st1halo wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Interesting quote from the skunts site:

'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.'

Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed:

'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website.

Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over'

How will we ever compete with this financial might?

Exactly!?
As one of the skates said - Barcelona fans own their club, Pompey fans will own their club - you can certainly see the likeness!
Champions league winners 2543, that's my bet!
It's time for all us true Saints fans to emulate our greatest ever great hampshire ever greatest club down the road.
So ... if 20000 cannot turn up on Sunday that would be a good start! For those that do... we must make sure we boo the team all through the game to show our support and leave after 70 mins!
After Sunday we must all make pledges to SFC, don't worry, it's only a pledge, no money involved!
If we all stick together and do this we can truly become the best bestest ever south coast best hampshire ever bestest history ever ever!


STID

*Cue the Bond theme*

Like it!......007 Skuntfall... Rev up the Aston Martin!

I think we should all go to a skunt match to show solidarity. I'm prepared to boo for 95 minutes.

I actually thought last night we should take a load down there and watch a game (when they're on tv)
How funny would it be, we'd probably outumber them, I know we would be giving them our money, but it would be worth the crack!!!

STID

That would be interesting and a laugh. We could by a T shirt each and also record the booing and racial abuse on our phones.

CB FRY LIVES wrote:

Red n White wrote:
We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future.

The future so bright i've goota wear shades.COYR.
A recent graduate of the saints youth team was on parade at Poirpoisemouth last night.LLOYD JAMES when Leyton Orient spanked the fratton clueless ones.To even matters out the home side also had an ex saints youth team player-their skipper Brian Howard.When he was at saints he was an England international at several levels although despite a move from us to chelsea he never really made it as a top grade player.So a salutary caution before we get too carried away with the Luke Shaw band wagon.
I go back a long way with saints and can remember TED BATES TADPOLES going to OLD TRAFFORD with our youth team at the height of the BUSBY BABES era when the man U team had won the youth cup competition several years in a row.We gave the Man u youngsters a good tonking.one of their team members was Kenny Morgans the welsh winger who a month or so along the line was a survivor of rthe dreadful Munich aircrash.Kenny sadly died a few days ago.
Our side that night featured the likes of TERRY PAINE aND john sydenham who ten years later were playing top flight football for us on a regular basis and providing the ammunition for our own great welsh striker RON DAVIES.Other members of our team that night never really made it at the very top.Although goalie TONY GODFREY did play several 1st team games for us over several years before moving on to Aldershot.Wing half Terry Simpson also played a few games but he was always behind Cliff Huxford in the pecking order.Although Terry did move on to top division football with WBA.Our centre forward that evening at old trafford was Wesley Maughan from the isle of wight who also played several times for the first team but he was up against the likes of Derek Reeves for the covetted no 9 shirt and he moved on to play for reading.
Moral of this little tale is that great youth team players do not always blossom a few seasons down the line.
Having said that i do believe that the youngsters we have at the moment are as good as any other club in england have in 2012.

bigfella777 wrote:
Saints should approach Di Matteo now while they have the chance.

seventh-junction wrote:

st1halo wrote:

st1halo wrote:

seventh-junction wrote:
Westwood jim-jams would look great though. Would they let us in with plastic trumpets as well?

I expect so but we would have to wear size 20 shoes though!

STID

Is it possible to get platic trumpets that play the Hawaii 50 theme tune, that would be a nice touch!
We could all shout our support for Guy 'McGarrett' Twatingham

STID

Brilliant!....What about Stylophones? You'd be able to play the theme tune on them and they'd be very, very annoying!

CB FRY LIVES wrote:

Red n White wrote:
We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future.

The future so bright i've goota wear shades.COYR.
A recent graduate of the saints youth team was on parade at Poirpoisemouth last night.LLOYD JAMES when Leyton Orient spanked the fratton clueless ones.To even matters out the home side also had an ex saints youth team player-their skipper Brian Howard.When he was at saints he was an England international at several levels although despite a move from us to chelsea he never really made it as a top grade player.So a salutary caution before we get too carried away with the Luke Shaw band wagon.
I go back a long way with saints and can remember TED BATES TADPOLES going to OLD TRAFFORD with our youth team at the height of the BUSBY BABES era when the man U team had won the youth cup competition several years in a row.We gave the Man u youngsters a good tonking.one of their team members was Kenny Morgans the welsh winger who a month or so along the line was a survivor of rthe dreadful Munich aircrash.Kenny sadly died a few days ago.
Our side that night featured the likes of TERRY PAINE aND john sydenham who ten years later were playing top flight football for us on a regular basis and providing the ammunition for our own great welsh striker RON DAVIES.Other members of our team that night never really made it at the very top.Although goalie TONY GODFREY did play several 1st team games for us over several years before moving on to Aldershot.Wing half Terry Simpson also played a few games but he was always behind Cliff Huxford in the pecking order.Although Terry did move on to top division football with WBA.Our centre forward that evening at old trafford was Wesley Maughan from the isle of wight who also played several times for the first team but he was up against the likes of Derek Reeves for the covetted no 9 shirt and he moved on to play for reading.
Moral of this little tale is that great youth team players do not always blossom a few seasons down the line.
Having said that i do believe that the youngsters we have at the moment are as good as any other club in england have in 2012.

st1halo wrote:

seventh-junction wrote:

st1halo wrote:

st1halo wrote:

seventh-junction wrote:
Westwood jim-jams would look great though. Would they let us in with plastic trumpets as well?

I expect so but we would have to wear size 20 shoes though!

STID

Is it possible to get platic trumpets that play the Hawaii 50 theme tune, that would be a nice touch!
We could all shout our support for Guy 'McGarrett' Twatingham

STID

Brilliant!....What about Stylophones? You'd be able to play the theme tune on them and they'd be very, very annoying!

Stylophones! Love it!
We can play Bowie's classic on it and sing --
Here am I sitting in a sh!tHole!
Far away from home
Football shirts are blue and there's very very few!

STID

st1halo wrote:

CB FRY LIVES wrote:

Red n White wrote:
We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future.

The future so bright i've goota wear shades.COYR.
A recent graduate of the saints youth team was on parade at Poirpoisemouth last night.LLOYD JAMES when Leyton Orient spanked the fratton clueless ones.To even matters out the home side also had an ex saints youth team player-their skipper Brian Howard.When he was at saints he was an England international at several levels although despite a move from us to chelsea he never really made it as a top grade player.So a salutary caution before we get too carried away with the Luke Shaw band wagon.
I go back a long way with saints and can remember TED BATES TADPOLES going to OLD TRAFFORD with our youth team at the height of the BUSBY BABES era when the man U team had won the youth cup competition several years in a row.We gave the Man u youngsters a good tonking.one of their team members was Kenny Morgans the welsh winger who a month or so along the line was a survivor of rthe dreadful Munich aircrash.Kenny sadly died a few days ago.
Our side that night featured the likes of TERRY PAINE aND john sydenham who ten years later were playing top flight football for us on a regular basis and providing the ammunition for our own great welsh striker RON DAVIES.Other members of our team that night never really made it at the very top.Although goalie TONY GODFREY did play several 1st team games for us over several years before moving on to Aldershot.Wing half Terry Simpson also played a few games but he was always behind Cliff Huxford in the pecking order.Although Terry did move on to top division football with WBA.Our centre forward that evening at old trafford was Wesley Maughan from the isle of wight who also played several times for the first team but he was up against the likes of Derek Reeves for the covetted no 9 shirt and he moved on to play for reading.
Moral of this little tale is that great youth team players do not always blossom a few seasons down the line.
Having said that i do believe that the youngsters we have at the moment are as good as any other club in england have in 2012.

Great and informative post CB. A bit before my time as I'm from mid to late 60's onwards although I had the fortune to see Mr. Paine and the wonderful wonderful Ron Davies.
I don't know if you agree but a change of team for young developing players seems to do more harm than good quite often. Steve Wiliams leaving for Arsenal seemed to bring his career to a halt and more recently Theo doesn't seem to have lived up to his full potential (although he is stil class obviously) I think stability is key for these guys sometimes.

STID

CB FRY LIVES wrote:

st1halo wrote:

CB FRY LIVES wrote:

Red n White wrote:
We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future.

The future so bright i've goota wear shades.COYR.
A recent graduate of the saints youth team was on parade at Poirpoisemouth last night.LLOYD JAMES when Leyton Orient spanked the fratton clueless ones.To even matters out the home side also had an ex saints youth team player-their skipper Brian Howard.When he was at saints he was an England international at several levels although despite a move from us to chelsea he never really made it as a top grade player.So a salutary caution before we get too carried away with the Luke Shaw band wagon.
I go back a long way with saints and can remember TED BATES TADPOLES going to OLD TRAFFORD with our youth team at the height of the BUSBY BABES era when the man U team had won the youth cup competition several years in a row.We gave the Man u youngsters a good tonking.one of their team members was Kenny Morgans the welsh winger who a month or so along the line was a survivor of rthe dreadful Munich aircrash.Kenny sadly died a few days ago.
Our side that night featured the likes of TERRY PAINE aND john sydenham who ten years later were playing top flight football for us on a regular basis and providing the ammunition for our own great welsh striker RON DAVIES.Other members of our team that night never really made it at the very top.Although goalie TONY GODFREY did play several 1st team games for us over several years before moving on to Aldershot.Wing half Terry Simpson also played a few games but he was always behind Cliff Huxford in the pecking order.Although Terry did move on to top division football with WBA.Our centre forward that evening at old trafford was Wesley Maughan from the isle of wight who also played several times for the first team but he was up against the likes of Derek Reeves for the covetted no 9 shirt and he moved on to play for reading.
Moral of this little tale is that great youth team players do not always blossom a few seasons down the line.
Having said that i do believe that the youngsters we have at the moment are as good as any other club in england have in 2012.

Great and informative post CB. A bit before my time as I'm from mid to late 60's onwards although I had the fortune to see Mr. Paine and the wonderful wonderful Ron Davies.
I don't know if you agree but a change of team for young developing players seems to do more harm than good quite often. Steve Wiliams leaving for Arsenal seemed to bring his career to a halt and more recently Theo doesn't seem to have lived up to his full potential (although he is stil class obviously) I think stability is key for these guys sometimes.

STID

I agree with you.Steve Williams was a much better player for us than he ever was for the gunners.Theo should have stayed with us for at least another season.I dont think that going to London when he did enhanced his career.i always felt that wenger was a bit of a hypocrit pushing him to be included in the england world cup squad before he had even played for arsenal.Also i couldn't see the point of THE OX spending most of last season in arsenal's reserves when he could have been playing championship 1st team football for the SAINTS.If he had stayed with us for last season we would have gone up as champions and maybe he would have stayed at ST MARYS.But the end of the day it is all about money.As bob dylan said money does not talk it swears.Walcott is still arguiing about his worth at arsenal and i hear that the OX is already seeking a big improvement in his wages even though he only signed a long term deal last year.

Red n White wrote:
We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future.

bigfella777 wrote:
Di Matteo= Italian, Cortese=Italian.
Watch this space.

Invidia wrote:

CB FRY LIVES wrote:

Red n White wrote:
We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future.

The future so bright i've goota wear shades.COYR.
A recent graduate of the saints youth team was on parade at Poirpoisemouth last night.LLOYD JAMES when Leyton Orient spanked the fratton clueless ones.To even matters out the home side also had an ex saints youth team player-their skipper Brian Howard.When he was at saints he was an England international at several levels although despite a move from us to chelsea he never really made it as a top grade player.So a salutary caution before we get too carried away with the Luke Shaw band wagon.
I go back a long way with saints and can remember TED BATES TADPOLES going to OLD TRAFFORD with our youth team at the height of the BUSBY BABES era when the man U team had won the youth cup competition several years in a row.We gave the Man u youngsters a good tonking.one of their team members was Kenny Morgans the welsh winger who a month or so along the line was a survivor of rthe dreadful Munich aircrash.Kenny sadly died a few days ago.
Our side that night featured the likes of TERRY PAINE aND john sydenham who ten years later were playing top flight football for us on a regular basis and providing the ammunition for our own great welsh striker RON DAVIES.Other members of our team that night never really made it at the very top.Although goalie TONY GODFREY did play several 1st team games for us over several years before moving on to Aldershot.Wing half Terry Simpson also played a few games but he was always behind Cliff Huxford in the pecking order.Although Terry did move on to top division football with WBA.Our centre forward that evening at old trafford was Wesley Maughan from the isle of wight who also played several times for the first team but he was up against the likes of Derek Reeves for the covetted no 9 shirt and he moved on to play for reading.
Moral of this little tale is that great youth team players do not always blossom a few seasons down the line.
Having said that i do believe that the youngsters we have at the moment are as good as any other club in england have in 2012.

You have not told all the story on Saints Colts as they were called, Not Tadpoles, the truth of the story was that Simpson Peter vine etc. extremely young and talented were not paid Ted Bates refused to support them and as I am told it was left up to a Southampton engineering firm called CPC that paid them expenses, they dispersed to semi proffessional clubs like Basingstoke ,Aldershot, Cowes etc. incidently I am also told that Terry Paine was not in the Colts squad

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Great work everybody...the sssshh campaign has proved as good at silencing skates as Orient FC are.

As for our academy, it will continue to produce talent that will silence many an away fan at SMS. There's plenty more on the fringe.

We have a great production line that is the basis for our future success. It'll take a few years yet, but the aim to have 50% academy players in the first eleven is acheivable.

CB FRY LIVES wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:
Saints should approach Di Matteo now while they have the chance.

Maybe QPR already have.DI MATTEO would be a better manager for them than Harry Ratknapp.

scooter75 wrote:
Pompey to be liquidated on Dec 14th it seems, honk honk

CB FRY LIVES wrote:

Red n White wrote:
We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future.

The future so bright i've goota wear shades.COYR.
A recent graduate of the saints youth team was on parade at Poirpoisemouth last night.LLOYD JAMES when Leyton Orient spanked the fratton clueless ones.To even matters out the home side also had an ex saints youth team player-their skipper Brian Howard.When he was at saints he was an England international at several levels although despite a move from us to chelsea he never really made it as a top grade player.So a salutary caution before we get too carried away with the Luke Shaw band wagon.
I go back a long way with saints and can remember TED BATES TADPOLES going to OLD TRAFFORD with our youth team at the height of the BUSBY BABES era when the man U team had won the youth cup competition several years in a row.We gave the Man u youngsters a good tonking.one of their team members was Kenny Morgans the welsh winger who a month or so along the line was a survivor of rthe dreadful Munich aircrash.Kenny sadly died a few days ago.
Our side that night featured the likes of TERRY PAINE aND john sydenham who ten years later were playing top flight football for us on a regular basis and providing the ammunition for our own great welsh striker RON DAVIES.Other members of our team that night never really made it at the very top.Although goalie TONY GODFREY did play several 1st team games for us over several years before moving on to Aldershot.Wing half Terry Simpson also played a few games but he was always behind Cliff Huxford in the pecking order.Although Terry did move on to top division football with WBA.Our centre forward that evening at old trafford was Wesley Maughan from the isle of wight who also played several times for the first team but he was up against the likes of Derek Reeves for the covetted no 9 shirt and he moved on to play for reading.
Moral of this little tale is that great youth team players do not always blossom a few seasons down the line.
Having said that i do believe that the youngsters we have at the moment are as good as any other club in england have in 2012.

slugger wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Great work everybody...the sssshh campaign has proved as good at silencing skates as Orient FC are.

As for our academy, it will continue to produce talent that will silence many an away fan at SMS. There's plenty more on the fringe.

We have a great production line that is the basis for our future success. It'll take a few years yet, but the aim to have 50% academy players in the first eleven is acheivable.

five and a half ?

angus mc coatup wrote:

scooter75 wrote:
Pompey to be liquidated on Dec 14th it seems, honk honk

ssssshhhhhhh !!!

st1halo wrote:

angus mc coatup wrote:

scooter75 wrote:
Pompey to be liquidated on Dec 14th it seems, honk honk

ssssshhhhhhh !!!

*Cue the Bond theme*

angus mc coatup wrote:

st1halo wrote:

angus mc coatup wrote:

scooter75 wrote:
Pompey to be liquidated on Dec 14th it seems, honk honk

ssssshhhhhhh !!!

*Cue the Bond theme*

I take we're still sssshhhhhing !!

Velleity wrote:

angus mc coatup wrote:

st1halo wrote:

angus mc coatup wrote:

scooter75 wrote:
Pompey to be liquidated on Dec 14th it seems, honk honk

ssssshhhhhhh !!!

*Cue the Bond theme*

I take we're still sssshhhhhing !!

Yes, which is why we're currently discussing Saints youth policy rather than responding to tedious WUMs.

Have you noticed they are starting to drift away?

Invidia wrote:
Once again CB FRY your memory is lacking as John Sydenam was an RAF national serviceman. Terry Paine was exempt from national sevice would you believe he apparently had flat feet, John Sydenham was playing for the first team when he was called up and was not the same player after his national service. I am also reliably informed that it was George Roughtly (not sure of the spelling there) who formed the Colts he was the Saints manager before Ted Bates and yes Ernie Jones was the spongeman in those days.

Velleity wrote:

angus mc coatup wrote:

st1halo wrote:

angus mc coatup wrote:

scooter75 wrote: Pompey to be liquidated on Dec 14th it seems, honk honk

ssssshhhhhhh !!!

*Cue the Bond theme*

I take we're still sssshhhhhing !!

Yes, which is why we're currently discussing Saints youth policy rather than responding to tedious WUMs. Have you noticed they are starting to drift away?

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Pompey...the bestest bestest bestest loudest booers in the land (tm pending) :O)

st1halo wrote:

Velleity wrote:

angus mc coatup wrote:

st1halo wrote:

angus mc coatup wrote:

scooter75 wrote:
Pompey to be liquidated on Dec 14th it seems, honk honk

ssssshhhhhhh !!!

*Cue the Bond theme*

I take we're still sssshhhhhing !!

Yes, which is why we're currently discussing Saints youth policy rather than responding to tedious WUMs.

Have you noticed they are starting to drift away?

Hardly surprising after their embarrassing Skunfall performance last night and booing again!!!
Still ssssshhhhhing but making the most out of 007 til Saturday cos although silent they are bound to be on here reading!!! HAHAHA

STID

*Cue the Bond theme*

GX Saint wrote:

Invidia wrote:
Once again CB FRY your memory is lacking as John Sydenam was an RAF national serviceman. Terry Paine was exempt from national sevice would you believe he apparently had flat feet, John Sydenham was playing for the first team when he was called up and was not the same player after his national service. I am also reliably informed that it was George Roughtly (not sure of the spelling there) who formed the Colts he was the Saints manager before Ted Bates and yes Ernie Jones was the spongeman in those days.

A proper technical dust-up, no swearing, no slagging off. What's this site come to?

saintshorse101 wrote:
desperations what you need if you wanna be a fishy poster......yeah, roy castle at his finest.


ssssssshhhhhhhhhhhh!

GX Saint wrote:
This is down to Cortese and Adkins. Surely the Cortese knockers and Adkins out brigade will see what's going on at St Mary's and give the set up a bit more time.
You don't have to like him but this is Cortese's vision and I for one want to give it the time it deserves.
Roll on Sunday, seems a long way off still - can't wait after how well we played at Loftus Road.
COYR

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

St Retford wrote:
Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked.

Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.

As a businessman this is quite simple to me. You appoint someone and if he doesn't deliver you let him go.

However, in these circumstances you take an element of blame yourself because you either appointed the wrong person or failed to provide him with the resources and support to complete his objectives.

Abramovich has gone through nine managers in nine years. That's an appalling failure rate. The only common denominator is Abramovich himself. At what stage do you say that Abramovich is patently not up to the job?

I suppose that's one key difference between Chelsea and Saints.

The problem at Chelsea (and elsewhere) is that the guy who has the money is the same one who takes the day-to-day decisions.

Abramovich is 'up to the job' all the time that HE is in charge and it's HIS money to spend.

At Saints, should the Leibherrs ever decide that NC isn't 'up to the job', they can boot him out or pull the plug.

RedArmy1 wrote:
FULHAM AWAY - TICKETS ON SALE SOON.

WE ARE GOING TO BE THE DOMINANT FANS AT FULHAM - SAME AS QPR.

AIM TO TAKE OVER THE NEUTRAL STAND AS WELL.

WE GO FOR ALL 3 POINTS.

NO FEAR. NO SURRENDER.

RED ARMY. COYR.
THE SAINTS GO MARCHING ON-ON-ON !!!

thickscum wrote:

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

St Retford wrote:
Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked.

Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.

As a businessman this is quite simple to me. You appoint someone and if he doesn't deliver you let him go.

However, in these circumstances you take an element of blame yourself because you either appointed the wrong person or failed to provide him with the resources and support to complete his objectives.

Abramovich has gone through nine managers in nine years. That's an appalling failure rate. The only common denominator is Abramovich himself. At what stage do you say that Abramovich is patently not up to the job?

I suppose that's one key difference between Chelsea and Saints.

The problem at Chelsea (and elsewhere) is that the guy who has the money is the same one who takes the day-to-day decisions.

Abramovich is 'up to the job' all the time that HE is in charge and it's HIS money to spend.

At Saints, should the Leibherrs ever decide that NC isn't 'up to the job', they can boot him out or pull the plug.

The Leibherrs don't owe you thicko,Do you lot on here know anything about your no mark club.

Velleity wrote:

puppy saint wrote:
Don't forget to ssssssshhhhhhhh today.

I agree. If they get no attention the WUMs will just drift away.

thickscum wrote:

RedArmy1 wrote:
FULHAM AWAY - TICKETS ON SALE SOON.

WE ARE GOING TO BE THE DOMINANT FANS AT FULHAM - SAME AS QPR.

AIM TO TAKE OVER THE NEUTRAL STAND AS WELL.

WE GO FOR ALL 3 POINTS.

NO FEAR. NO SURRENDER.

RED ARMY. COYR.
THE SAINTS GO MARCHING ON-ON-ON !!!

you are the thickist boy.

dadofmy3sons wrote:

Velleity wrote:

puppy saint wrote:
Don't forget to ssssssshhhhhhhh today.

I agree. If they get no attention the WUMs will just drift away.

I know.....but.......s

ometimes the temptation is just . . . too much!
They just set themselves up for such a fall!

St Retford wrote:

Puddletown Saint wrote:
Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday.

Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future.

Your thoughts

I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.

slugger wrote:

dadofmy3sons wrote:

Velleity wrote:

puppy saint wrote:
Don't forget to ssssssshhhhhhhh today.

I agree. If they get no attention the WUMs will just drift away.

I know.....but.......s


ometimes the temptation is just . . . too much!
They just set themselves up for such a fall!

resist !

angus mc coatup wrote:
InTROLLerance is a virtue.

SFCOLDBOY wrote:
I would like to say thanks to the Saints fans on here. What a treat to be able to read the threads without having to scroll past yards of inane rubbish. Great debate, lots of fun----(generally at Pompey's expence) . WELL DONE EVERYONE Keep up the ShhhhhhhhShhh, campain. It seems to work. LONG MAY IT LAST 007-------I love it! COYR.

El Santo wrote:

St Retford wrote:

Puddletown Saint wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts

I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.

Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

St Retford wrote: Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked. Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.

As a businessman this is quite simple to me. You appoint someone and if he doesn't deliver you let him go. However, in these circumstances you take an element of blame yourself because you either appointed the wrong person or failed to provide him with the resources and support to complete his objectives. Abramovich has gone through nine managers in nine years. That's an appalling failure rate. The only common denominator is Abramovich himself. At what stage do you say that Abramovich is patently not up to the job?

saintshorse101 wrote:
pleased that shaw is doing so well, though i do feel that fox was made a scapegoat for all of the losses. what i am even more pleased about is the fact that our academy is producing player after player who have the ability to play well in the prem. this can only be a good thing for us, bringing through youngsters is the way forward. the academy will be funded by the players, who are not up to our standard, being sold on to other teams. the academy is the answer to our long term future success and i can not wait. i bet other clubs fans now wished that they had put some money into their academy instead of just buying overpriced overpaid players.

GX Saint wrote:
Very good attempt to blow the thread off course when they got let out of detention but the ssssshhhhhh campaign doesn't give them anything to bite on.

City Saint wrote:

El Santo wrote:

St Retford wrote:

Puddletown Saint wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts

I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.

Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).

Whatever happened to the defender we bought from Plymouth at 16? He should be coming up the ranks...?

slugger wrote:

City Saint wrote:

El Santo wrote:

St Retford wrote:

Puddletown Saint wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts

I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.

Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).

Whatever happened to the defender we bought from Plymouth at 16? He should be coming up the ranks...?

that was jack stephens , he's in our 1st team squad .

slugger wrote:

City Saint wrote:

El Santo wrote:

St Retford wrote:

Puddletown Saint wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts

I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.

Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).

Whatever happened to the defender we bought from Plymouth at 16? He should be coming up the ranks...?

that was jack stephens , he's in our 1st team squad .

Southampton Dominance wrote:

thickscum wrote:

RedArmy1 wrote:
FULHAM AWAY - TICKETS ON SALE SOON.

WE ARE GOING TO BE THE DOMINANT FANS AT FULHAM - SAME AS QPR.

AIM TO TAKE OVER THE NEUTRAL STAND AS WELL.

WE GO FOR ALL 3 POINTS.

NO FEAR. NO SURRENDER.

RED ARMY. COYR.
THE SAINTS GO MARCHING ON-ON-ON !!!

you are the thickist boy.

Time for you to scuttle back to that shanty town you live in. By any chance are you missing a few teeth?

City Saint wrote:

saintshorse101 wrote:
pleased that shaw is doing so well, though i do feel that fox was made a scapegoat for all of the losses. what i am even more pleased about is the fact that our academy is producing player after player who have the ability to play well in the prem. this can only be a good thing for us, bringing through youngsters is the way forward. the academy will be funded by the players, who are not up to our standard, being sold on to other teams. the academy is the answer to our long term future success and i can not wait. i bet other clubs fans now wished that they had put some money into their academy instead of just buying overpriced overpaid players.

Did you see fox play? Every home game he started, he was hesitant going forward and yet bizarrely also kept getting caught out of position when we got attacked down our left flank.

Even motd highlighted it with the dreaded yellow chevrons of shame.

Like everyone else, fox had to step up or step away. It's still in the balance, and he can regain credibility by supporting shaw in the last 20 mins or so while he develops.

Velleity wrote:

City Saint wrote:

saintshorse101 wrote: pleased that shaw is doing so well, though i do feel that fox was made a scapegoat for all of the losses. what i am even more pleased about is the fact that our academy is producing player after player who have the ability to play well in the prem. this can only be a good thing for us, bringing through youngsters is the way forward. the academy will be funded by the players, who are not up to our standard, being sold on to other teams. the academy is the answer to our long term future success and i can not wait. i bet other clubs fans now wished that they had put some money into their academy instead of just buying overpriced overpaid players.

Did you see fox play? Every home game he started, he was hesitant going forward and yet bizarrely also kept getting caught out of position when we got attacked down our left flank. Even motd highlighted it with the dreaded yellow chevrons of shame. Like everyone else, fox had to step up or step away. It's still in the balance, and he can regain credibility by supporting shaw in the last 20 mins or so while he develops.

The comment I'd make on that (and I'm no real supporter of Fox, just not keen when he was being seen as the sole cause of all our ills) is that in earlier games there was almost no cover at times from midfield. He looked a great deal more solid when he did come on on Saturday, though whether that was better midfield cover, his having bucked up his positioning or just that fact that QPR were playing like donkeys, I'm not sure. Adkins can't play Shaw for a full game yet, so I guess we'll find out the answer to the Fox question in the next few games.

thickscum wrote:

RedArmy1 wrote:
FULHAM AWAY - TICKETS ON SALE SOON.

WE ARE GOING TO BE THE DOMINANT FANS AT FULHAM - SAME AS QPR.

AIM TO TAKE OVER THE NEUTRAL STAND AS WELL.

WE GO FOR ALL 3 POINTS.

NO FEAR. NO SURRENDER.

RED ARMY. COYR.
THE SAINTS GO MARCHING ON-ON-ON !!!

you are the thickist boy.

Southampton Dominance wrote:

GX Saint wrote:
Very good attempt to blow the thread off course when they got let out of detention but the ssssshhhhhh campaign doesn't give them anything to bite on.

Quite right! You take the moral high ground! That'll show em!

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Southampton Dominance wrote:

GX Saint wrote:
Very good attempt to blow the thread off course when they got let out of detention but the ssssshhhhhh campaign doesn't give them anything to bite on.

Quite right! You take the moral high ground! That'll show em!

Please be quiet, trying to watch the Arsenal match in peace.

City Saint wrote:

saintshorse101 wrote: pleased that shaw is doing so well, though i do feel that fox was made a scapegoat for all of the losses. what i am even more pleased about is the fact that our academy is producing player after player who have the ability to play well in the prem. this can only be a good thing for us, bringing through youngsters is the way forward. the academy will be funded by the players, who are not up to our standard, being sold on to other teams. the academy is the answer to our long term future success and i can not wait. i bet other clubs fans now wished that they had put some money into their academy instead of just buying overpriced overpaid players.

Did you see fox play? Every home game he started, he was hesitant going forward and yet bizarrely also kept getting caught out of position when we got attacked down our left flank. Even motd highlighted it with the dreaded yellow chevrons of shame. Like everyone else, fox had to step up or step away. It's still in the balance, and he can regain credibility by supporting shaw in the last 20 mins or so while he develops.

Southampton Dominance wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Southampton Dominance wrote:

GX Saint wrote:
Very good attempt to blow the thread off course when they got let out of detention but the ssssshhhhhh campaign doesn't give them anything to bite on.

Quite right! You take the moral high ground! That'll show em!

Please be quiet, trying to watch the Arsenal match in peace.

Good to see you back! Out of respect to your good self, I'll call it a night!

saintshorse101 wrote:

City Saint wrote:

saintshorse101 wrote: pleased that shaw is doing so well, though i do feel that fox was made a scapegoat for all of the losses. what i am even more pleased about is the fact that our academy is producing player after player who have the ability to play well in the prem. this can only be a good thing for us, bringing through youngsters is the way forward. the academy will be funded by the players, who are not up to our standard, being sold on to other teams. the academy is the answer to our long term future success and i can not wait. i bet other clubs fans now wished that they had put some money into their academy instead of just buying overpriced overpaid players.

Did you see fox play? Every home game he started, he was hesitant going forward and yet bizarrely also kept getting caught out of position when we got attacked down our left flank. Even motd highlighted it with the dreaded yellow chevrons of shame. Like everyone else, fox had to step up or step away. It's still in the balance, and he can regain credibility by supporting shaw in the last 20 mins or so while he develops.

i am not and never have said that fox is a great or even very good player. i do think he can do a job though. what you have to understand with those motd chevrons is that fox was encouraged to get forward as is clyne. the difference being that fox had little cover from either center mid or from lalla. so yes he was hesitant to go forward due to having no support. when he did get forward there was big gaps behind that should have been filled by other players. i think it was clear to see that NA put the second WBA goal as fox`s fault for not chasing back, and thats a fair point, however NA then took fox out of the starting line up just as cork came back. also to be fair fox has done ok when he`s come on as sub. the team balance was really bad prior to cork coming back, and we all have seen how much we have missed him. we wont know if fox would have been better with cork playing. my point was that people were blaming fox for nearly every goal we conceded and for all our bad play, and so being made a scapegoat. the whole team were poor not just fox and yes i have seen him play. do you not think that some players are immune from criticism, lalla never gets moaned at for not covering for fox but have you noticed that in the last two games he has been covering shaw more? and for qprs goal lalla got let the qpr player clean through for a free header yet gaza gets all the blame. what we as supporters need to do is to stop laying fault at single players when we concede.

City Saint wrote:

saintshorse101 wrote:

City Saint wrote:

saintshorse101 wrote: pleased that shaw is doing so well, though i do feel that fox was made a scapegoat for all of the losses. what i am even more pleased about is the fact that our academy is producing player after player who have the ability to play well in the prem. this can only be a good thing for us, bringing through youngsters is the way forward. the academy will be funded by the players, who are not up to our standard, being sold on to other teams. the academy is the answer to our long term future success and i can not wait. i bet other clubs fans now wished that they had put some money into their academy instead of just buying overpriced overpaid players.

Did you see fox play? Every home game he started, he was hesitant going forward and yet bizarrely also kept getting caught out of position when we got attacked down our left flank. Even motd highlighted it with the dreaded yellow chevrons of shame. Like everyone else, fox had to step up or step away. It's still in the balance, and he can regain credibility by supporting shaw in the last 20 mins or so while he develops.

i am not and never have said that fox is a great or even very good player. i do think he can do a job though. what you have to understand with those motd chevrons is that fox was encouraged to get forward as is clyne. the difference being that fox had little cover from either center mid or from lalla. so yes he was hesitant to go forward due to having no support. when he did get forward there was big gaps behind that should have been filled by other players. i think it was clear to see that NA put the second WBA goal as fox`s fault for not chasing back, and thats a fair point, however NA then took fox out of the starting line up just as cork came back. also to be fair fox has done ok when he`s come on as sub. the team balance was really bad prior to cork coming back, and we all have seen how much we have missed him. we wont know if fox would have been better with cork playing. my point was that people were blaming fox for nearly every goal we conceded and for all our bad play, and so being made a scapegoat. the whole team were poor not just fox and yes i have seen him play. do you not think that some players are immune from criticism, lalla never gets moaned at for not covering for fox but have you noticed that in the last two games he has been covering shaw more? and for qprs goal lalla got let the qpr player clean through for a free header yet gaza gets all the blame. what we as supporters need to do is to stop laying fault at single players when we concede.

Well, I'll be the first to admit that Lallana looks a bit lightweight tackling back. But I don't think he offers Shaw any more protection than he gave Fox. Shaw and Lala seem to have the same kind of understanding that Clyne and Punch have established on the right side in the last few games. I don't now who is to blame for lala and fox not getting along, but I do know 100% which one I would back for a starting position if I had to pick between them right now. As, I imagine, do you!

City Saint wrote:

saintshorse101 wrote:

City Saint wrote:

saintshorse101 wrote: pleased that shaw is doing so well, though i do feel that fox was made a scapegoat for all of the losses. what i am even more pleased about is the fact that our academy is producing player after player who have the ability to play well in the prem. this can only be a good thing for us, bringing through youngsters is the way forward. the academy will be funded by the players, who are not up to our standard, being sold on to other teams. the academy is the answer to our long term future success and i can not wait. i bet other clubs fans now wished that they had put some money into their academy instead of just buying overpriced overpaid players.

Did you see fox play? Every home game he started, he was hesitant going forward and yet bizarrely also kept getting caught out of position when we got attacked down our left flank. Even motd highlighted it with the dreaded yellow chevrons of shame. Like everyone else, fox had to step up or step away. It's still in the balance, and he can regain credibility by supporting shaw in the last 20 mins or so while he develops.

i am not and never have said that fox is a great or even very good player. i do think he can do a job though. what you have to understand with those motd chevrons is that fox was encouraged to get forward as is clyne. the difference being that fox had little cover from either center mid or from lalla. so yes he was hesitant to go forward due to having no support. when he did get forward there was big gaps behind that should have been filled by other players. i think it was clear to see that NA put the second WBA goal as fox`s fault for not chasing back, and thats a fair point, however NA then took fox out of the starting line up just as cork came back. also to be fair fox has done ok when he`s come on as sub. the team balance was really bad prior to cork coming back, and we all have seen how much we have missed him. we wont know if fox would have been better with cork playing. my point was that people were blaming fox for nearly every goal we conceded and for all our bad play, and so being made a scapegoat. the whole team were poor not just fox and yes i have seen him play. do you not think that some players are immune from criticism, lalla never gets moaned at for not covering for fox but have you noticed that in the last two games he has been covering shaw more? and for qprs goal lalla got let the qpr player clean through for a free header yet gaza gets all the blame. what we as supporters need to do is to stop laying fault at single players when we concede.

Well, I'll be the first to admit that Lallana looks a bit lightweight tackling back. But I don't think he offers Shaw any more protection than he gave Fox.

Shaw and Lala seem to have the same kind of understanding that Clyne and Punch have established on the right side in the last few games. I don't now who is to blame for lala and fox not getting along, but I do know 100% which one I would back for a starting position if I had to pick between them right now. As, I imagine, do you!

dadofmy3sons wrote:
No reason that Fox can not be brought on in front of Shaw to form a proper left sided field .
Allow Lallana to move infield more and have a very definite attacking option as running crosses can be a devastating counter attack.
If it results in a goal we then have the neccesary extra defender, Clyne, Fonte Shaw + Yoshida are all good enough to defend with Fox and Cork sitting in front defensive midfield.
Only need one of Lambert or Jayrod or even Mayuka up front for the counter attack.
A good option at the end of a tight away game. There will be some eventually, not every team is going to accomadate open attacking stuff and one of them will just stifle everything.

bigfella777 wrote:
We want Di Mateo, we want Di Mateo,la la la la , la la la la.
Pikins is a muppet, Pipkins is a muppet, la la la la, la la la la.

st1halo wrote:

dadofmy3sons wrote:
No reason that Fox can not be brought on in front of Shaw to form a proper left sided field .
Allow Lallana to move infield more and have a very definite attacking option as running crosses can be a devastating counter attack.
If it results in a goal we then have the neccesary extra defender, Clyne, Fonte Shaw + Yoshida are all good enough to defend with Fox and Cork sitting in front defensive midfield.
Only need one of Lambert or Jayrod or even Mayuka up front for the counter attack.
A good option at the end of a tight away game. There will be some eventually, not every team is going to accomadate open attacking stuff and one of them will just stifle everything.

I agree, been saying it for weeks, even sent a text to Radio Solent about it the other week, I think Fox is a natural left midfielder, not a natural attacking LB as he doesn't have the pace. He's good at getting forward and can cross well and if in front of Shaw, offers extra protection down the left due to his LB experience. More balance to the team and stronger defensively on the vulnerable side as most teams are generally stronger down the right (attacking-wise)
Pulling AL into the middle means he wll still run those left channels he loves but gives him more freedom to feed from Cork and take away some of his defensive duties which are his weaker point.
It makes us a bit more defensive as a unit but in this league that's essential.


STID

Rising_Son wrote:

st1halo wrote:

dadofmy3sons wrote:
No reason that Fox can not be brought on in front of Shaw to form a proper left sided field .
Allow Lallana to move infield more and have a very definite attacking option as running crosses can be a devastating counter attack.
If it results in a goal we then have the neccesary extra defender, Clyne, Fonte Shaw + Yoshida are all good enough to defend with Fox and Cork sitting in front defensive midfield.
Only need one of Lambert or Jayrod or even Mayuka up front for the counter attack.
A good option at the end of a tight away game. There will be some eventually, not every team is going to accomadate open attacking stuff and one of them will just stifle everything.

I agree, been saying it for weeks, even sent a text to Radio Solent about it the other week, I think Fox is a natural left midfielder, not a natural attacking LB as he doesn't have the pace. He's good at getting forward and can cross well and if in front of Shaw, offers extra protection down the left due to his LB experience. More balance to the team and stronger defensively on the vulnerable side as most teams are generally stronger down the right (attacking-wise)
Pulling AL into the middle means he wll still run those left channels he loves but gives him more freedom to feed from Cork and take away some of his defensive duties which are his weaker point.
It makes us a bit more defensive as a unit but in this league that's essential.


STID

I basically agree, but I'm not sure who I would take off to make that possible without weakening the team in other areas.

TheFatLadySings wrote:

St Retford wrote:

Puddletown Saint wrote:
Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday.

Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future.

Your thoughts

I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.

The problem Saints and all relatively small to medium clubs have is that as soon as these players become good, by the time they are established at 17-20 yrs old bigger clubs just poach them...

saintkenny wrote:

TheFatLadySings wrote:

St Retford wrote:

Puddletown Saint wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts

I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.

The problem Saints and all relatively small to medium clubs have is that as soon as these players become good, by the time they are established at 17-20 yrs old bigger clubs just poach them...

that is because we dont cheat status example chamberlain is 60.000 a week .so your in a no win .if you want keep them ,you cant mtach the wages of the big clubs ,its up to the young player .lie walcott in bale .walcott ias on 60.000 asking for more money .wher as at saints he like bale was on around 8 grand a week ,chamberlain was on around 10 grand a week .the idea of given young players contract .if the big clubs do want them if they wont stay .it makes sure you recieve a good fee ,and there not free agents,as the big clubs will throw big cash .walcott 18 million bale 12 million chamberlain 12 million .cash that comes in helps the club evolve ,from the acadamy

GX Saint wrote:

saintkenny wrote:

TheFatLadySings wrote:

St Retford wrote:

Puddletown Saint wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts

I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.

The problem Saints and all relatively small to medium clubs have is that as soon as these players become good, by the time they are established at 17-20 yrs old bigger clubs just poach them...

that is because we dont cheat status example chamberlain is 60.000 a week .so your in a no win .if you want keep them ,you cant mtach the wages of the big clubs ,its up to the young player .lie walcott in bale .walcott ias on 60.000 asking for more money .wher as at saints he like bale was on around 8 grand a week ,chamberlain was on around 10 grand a week .the idea of given young players contract .if the big clubs do want them if they wont stay .it makes sure you recieve a good fee ,and there not free agents,as the big clubs will throw big cash .walcott 18 million bale 12 million chamberlain 12 million .cash that comes in helps the club evolve ,from the acadamy

Too difficult to read

Invidia wrote:
Once again CB FRY your memory is lacking as John Sydenam was an RAF national serviceman. Terry Paine was exempt from national sevice would you believe he apparently had flat feet, John Sydenham was playing for the first team when he was called up and was not the same player after his national service. I am also reliably informed that it was George Roughtly (not sure of the spelling there) who formed the Colts he was the Saints manager before Ted Bates and yes Ernie Jones was the spongeman in those days.

up saints wrote:

TheSaintsMan wrote:
The Echo have posted something positive?! Blimey...

Shaw is a great player but inexperienced, this Premier League game time is fantastic for him because it will mould him into a better player quite quickly due to his experience.

Either that or put Danny Fox back in. Anyone?

fox is the best left back we have after shaw.ideal on the bench for the last 15 min if needed.