Adkins: About time we had a penalty call go our way (From Daily Echo)

Come on Yeovil.

I think Chris was trying to help us as he still loves us - Cheers Chris!

A decent point but i'm sure i'm not the only one to be gutted that we've only taken 2 points off of a very poor Fulham side this season.

Nice to get the penalty but , we have to shoot more from the edge of the box instead of trying to walk it in. After watching STOKE on the telly , we will have a real tough test on our hands Saturday!!.
Well done to the RED ARMY FANS , you were brilliant and loud all the game.

Ni ni ni ni ni ni ni NINETEEN

Having been at the game I watched MOTD this morning that just confirmed the view I posted last night. Quite simply Saints were mediocre. As far as the goal was concerned it was concerning to see that Shaw just gave up and allowed the cross to be made that led to the goal. That was a howler by Kelvin!!!!

Steven Davis was awful! I note in this morning's Sun he scored a 4! Why oh why NA doesn't give JWP a run out is beyond me or is it? I noted yesterday and it was clear from MOTD that NA doesn't have a clue. He was speaking with Crosby and Wilkins obviously for advice and inspiration. What does he do? He brings on Rodriguez a total waste of space and money and yes.... The dream super sub - Guly! What a joke!!!!!

Unless quality players are brought in during January I.e. two decent centre backs a good left back and a decent striker Saints are destined to be the whipping boys of the Premier League in the second half if the season!

Spider should be dropped and replaced by JWP at least he has passion and commitment sadly lacking in a team of mediocrity.

No doubt you happy clappers will object to this calling me such things as a 'skate in disguise' to those for God's sake wake up and smell the coffee - the mediocre side is heading for the Championship at this rate!!!!!!

I agree with the views that a point away from home in this league is very decent, especially for a newly promoted side. 3 points away is excellent form.

If we had won at home against sunderland (the game we really should have won), most would have taken the fulham result with pleasure.

City Saint wrote:
I agree with the views that a point away from home in this league is very decent, especially for a newly promoted side. 3 points away is excellent form.

If we had won at home against sunderland (the game we really should have won), most would have taken the fulham result with pleasure.

'If' that's the problem!!!!!!!!!

saintlysoul wrote:
Having been at the game I watched MOTD this morning that just confirmed the view I posted last night. Quite simply Saints were mediocre. As far as the goal was concerned it was concerning to see that Shaw just gave up and allowed the cross to be made that led to the goal. That was a howler by Kelvin!!!!

Steven Davis was awful! I note in this morning's Sun he scored a 4! Why oh why NA doesn't give JWP a run out is beyond me or is it? I noted yesterday and it was clear from MOTD that NA doesn't have a clue. He was speaking with Crosby and Wilkins obviously for advice and inspiration. What does he do? He brings on Rodriguez a total waste of space and money and yes.... The dream super sub - Guly! What a joke!!!!!

Unless quality players are brought in during January I.e. two decent centre backs a good left back and a decent striker Saints are destined to be the whipping boys of the Premier League in the second half if the season!

Spider should be dropped and replaced by JWP at least he has passion and commitment sadly lacking in a team of mediocrity.

No doubt you happy clappers will object to this calling me such things as a 'skate in disguise' to those for God's sake wake up and smell the coffee - the mediocre side is heading for the Championship at this rate!!!!!!

I think the only thing I would not wholly agree with is dropping Spider, though I do agree JWP is a great option to replace him with if you do...

SnapperSaint wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Having been at the game I watched MOTD this morning that just confirmed the view I posted last night. Quite simply Saints were mediocre. As far as the goal was concerned it was concerning to see that Shaw just gave up and allowed the cross to be made that led to the goal. That was a howler by Kelvin!!!!

Steven Davis was awful! I note in this morning's Sun he scored a 4! Why oh why NA doesn't give JWP a run out is beyond me or is it? I noted yesterday and it was clear from MOTD that NA doesn't have a clue. He was speaking with Crosby and Wilkins obviously for advice and inspiration. What does he do? He brings on Rodriguez a total waste of space and money and yes.... The dream super sub - Guly! What a joke!!!!!

Unless quality players are brought in during January I.e. two decent centre backs a good left back and a decent striker Saints are destined to be the whipping boys of the Premier League in the second half if the season!

Spider should be dropped and replaced by JWP at least he has passion and commitment sadly lacking in a team of mediocrity.

No doubt you happy clappers will object to this calling me such things as a 'skate in disguise' to those for God's sake wake up and smell the coffee - the mediocre side is heading for the Championship at this rate!!!!!!

I think the only thing I would not wholly agree with is dropping Spider, though I do agree JWP is a great option to replace him with if you do...

each to their own. but please remember where we were 3 seasons ago..........

insane saint wrote:

SnapperSaint wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Having been at the game I watched MOTD this morning that just confirmed the view I posted last night. Quite simply Saints were mediocre. As far as the goal was concerned it was concerning to see that Shaw just gave up and allowed the cross to be made that led to the goal. That was a howler by Kelvin!!!!

Steven Davis was awful! I note in this morning's Sun he scored a 4! Why oh why NA doesn't give JWP a run out is beyond me or is it? I noted yesterday and it was clear from MOTD that NA doesn't have a clue. He was speaking with Crosby and Wilkins obviously for advice and inspiration. What does he do? He brings on Rodriguez a total waste of space and money and yes.... The dream super sub - Guly! What a joke!!!!!

Unless quality players are brought in during January I.e. two decent centre backs a good left back and a decent striker Saints are destined to be the whipping boys of the Premier League in the second half if the season!

Spider should be dropped and replaced by JWP at least he has passion and commitment sadly lacking in a team of mediocrity.

No doubt you happy clappers will object to this calling me such things as a 'skate in disguise' to those for God's sake wake up and smell the coffee - the mediocre side is heading for the Championship at this rate!!!!!!

I think the only thing I would not wholly agree with is dropping Spider, though I do agree JWP is a great option to replace him with if you do...

each to their own. but please remember where we were 3 seasons ago..........

Fair point but you can't live in the past. Saints is either a side that is Premier League quality or its not. The end of the season will tell that. It can't live on past glories!!!!!!!!!

saintlysoul wrote:

insane saint wrote:

SnapperSaint wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Having been at the game I watched MOTD this morning that just confirmed the view I posted last night. Quite simply Saints were mediocre. As far as the goal was concerned it was concerning to see that Shaw just gave up and allowed the cross to be made that led to the goal. That was a howler by Kelvin!!!!

Steven Davis was awful! I note in this morning's Sun he scored a 4! Why oh why NA doesn't give JWP a run out is beyond me or is it? I noted yesterday and it was clear from MOTD that NA doesn't have a clue. He was speaking with Crosby and Wilkins obviously for advice and inspiration. What does he do? He brings on Rodriguez a total waste of space and money and yes.... The dream super sub - Guly! What a joke!!!!!

Unless quality players are brought in during January I.e. two decent centre backs a good left back and a decent striker Saints are destined to be the whipping boys of the Premier League in the second half if the season!

Spider should be dropped and replaced by JWP at least he has passion and commitment sadly lacking in a team of mediocrity.

No doubt you happy clappers will object to this calling me such things as a 'skate in disguise' to those for God's sake wake up and smell the coffee - the mediocre side is heading for the Championship at this rate!!!!!!

I think the only thing I would not wholly agree with is dropping Spider, though I do agree JWP is a great option to replace him with if you do...

each to their own. but please remember where we were 3 seasons ago..........

Fair point but you can't live in the past. Saints is either a side that is Premier League quality or its not. The end of the season will tell that. It can't live on past glories!!!!!!!!!

Whilst I agree to an extent saintsoul that each player yesterday could have played better, the team as a whole ground out a result.
You might call me a happy clapper, but I invented that description back in October when we were blindly keeping faith with the same 11 and playing open attacking football that conceded more than we scored.
IMO we need a centreback in January and that's what we will buy or loan. Ideally a blighting midfield player and goalkeeper too but can't see that happening.

saintlysoul wrote:

insane saint wrote:

SnapperSaint wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Having been at the game I watched MOTD this morning that just confirmed the view I posted last night. Quite simply Saints were mediocre. As far as the goal was concerned it was concerning to see that Shaw just gave up and allowed the cross to be made that led to the goal. That was a howler by Kelvin!!!!

Steven Davis was awful! I note in this morning's Sun he scored a 4! Why oh why NA doesn't give JWP a run out is beyond me or is it? I noted yesterday and it was clear from MOTD that NA doesn't have a clue. He was speaking with Crosby and Wilkins obviously for advice and inspiration. What does he do? He brings on Rodriguez a total waste of space and money and yes.... The dream super sub - Guly! What a joke!!!!!

Unless quality players are brought in during January I.e. two decent centre backs a good left back and a decent striker Saints are destined to be the whipping boys of the Premier League in the second half if the season!

Spider should be dropped and replaced by JWP at least he has passion and commitment sadly lacking in a team of mediocrity.

No doubt you happy clappers will object to this calling me such things as a 'skate in disguise' to those for God's sake wake up and smell the coffee - the mediocre side is heading for the Championship at this rate!!!!!!

I think the only thing I would not wholly agree with is dropping Spider, though I do agree JWP is a great option to replace him with if you do...

each to their own. but please remember where we were 3 seasons ago..........

Fair point but you can't live in the past. Saints is either a side that is Premier League quality or its not. The end of the season will tell that. It can't live on past glories!!!!!!!!!

It's not living on past glories it's building and investing in a stable longterm future. Two back to back promotions, £33m spent on players and £15m on the academy - and yet you want more and more and more.....

Every fan of every club in the Prem believe they belong there and so do many fans of clubs in the Championship - even a delusional club in Div1 thinks it should be. Fulham have spent alot over the years and have been in the Prem for more than ten, their fans booed the team off because they expect to beat the newly promoted teams.

Get real ffs!

SaintMax wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:

insane saint wrote:

SnapperSaint wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Having been at the game I watched MOTD this morning that just confirmed the view I posted last night. Quite simply Saints were mediocre. As far as the goal was concerned it was concerning to see that Shaw just gave up and allowed the cross to be made that led to the goal. That was a howler by Kelvin!!!!

Steven Davis was awful! I note in this morning's Sun he scored a 4! Why oh why NA doesn't give JWP a run out is beyond me or is it? I noted yesterday and it was clear from MOTD that NA doesn't have a clue. He was speaking with Crosby and Wilkins obviously for advice and inspiration. What does he do? He brings on Rodriguez a total waste of space and money and yes.... The dream super sub - Guly! What a joke!!!!!

Unless quality players are brought in during January I.e. two decent centre backs a good left back and a decent striker Saints are destined to be the whipping boys of the Premier League in the second half if the season!

Spider should be dropped and replaced by JWP at least he has passion and commitment sadly lacking in a team of mediocrity.

No doubt you happy clappers will object to this calling me such things as a 'skate in disguise' to those for God's sake wake up and smell the coffee - the mediocre side is heading for the Championship at this rate!!!!!!

I think the only thing I would not wholly agree with is dropping Spider, though I do agree JWP is a great option to replace him with if you do...

each to their own. but please remember where we were 3 seasons ago..........

Fair point but you can't live in the past. Saints is either a side that is Premier League quality or its not. The end of the season will tell that. It can't live on past glories!!!!!!!!!

Whilst I agree to an extent saintsoul that each player yesterday could have played better, the team as a whole ground out a result.
You might call me a happy clapper, but I invented that description back in October when we were blindly keeping faith with the same 11 and playing open attacking football that conceded more than we scored.
IMO we need a centreback in January and that's what we will buy or loan. Ideally a blighting midfield player and goalkeeper too but can't see that happening.

Helpful post thank you. These players have got to start performing. That's why IMO you can't simply turn around and blame NA. If NA went the incoming manager would be left with the same squad. What incentive other thanbtheyvare playing in probably the best league in the world do they need to go out on the pitch and give 100 per cent? Yesterday is a classic example. There was no tempo to the casinos game. Hardly any movement when a ball is passed. Instead we resort to long ball and at times 'kick and hope' the lack of tenacity and wanting the all, of closing down opponents is obvious and worrying!

I'm mot singling out Shaw yesterday e is a tremendous talent and you have to bear in mind he is only 17 but MOTD showed how easily he gave up - he effectively stopped running andcalloedcthe cross to be made that led to the goal. Had he continued running he may not have prevented the cross but e could have put the winger off! Would Ferguson tolerate such non commitment? I think not.

That's why I'm such a fan of JWP. He will run, close down the opposition, he is constantly scanning and is fully committed to winning. He got top averages re ground covered and acceleration when e featured early on in the season. His reward? To be relegated to the bench. He's appeared for 5 minutes against West Ham in the league since. Is that how NA repays such commitment? If it is then its scandalous. How s a player like him overseen but players like Guly and De Ridder played? It's beyond me? JWP has recently committed himself to five years with the club one wonders why? I've heard a number of teams are after him Liverpool being the front runners and it would be best for him career wise if he moved. That's the sad reality. If he's not going to beoksyed then I hope he's loaned out in January!!!

The team ave got to up their games considerably if they want to be playing Premiership football next season!!!!!

SaintMax wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:

insane saint wrote:

SnapperSaint wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Having been at the game I watched MOTD this morning that just confirmed the view I posted last night. Quite simply Saints were mediocre. As far as the goal was concerned it was concerning to see that Shaw just gave up and allowed the cross to be made that led to the goal. That was a howler by Kelvin!!!!

Steven Davis was awful! I note in this morning's Sun he scored a 4! Why oh why NA doesn't give JWP a run out is beyond me or is it? I noted yesterday and it was clear from MOTD that NA doesn't have a clue. He was speaking with Crosby and Wilkins obviously for advice and inspiration. What does he do? He brings on Rodriguez a total waste of space and money and yes.... The dream super sub - Guly! What a joke!!!!!

Unless quality players are brought in during January I.e. two decent centre backs a good left back and a decent striker Saints are destined to be the whipping boys of the Premier League in the second half if the season!

Spider should be dropped and replaced by JWP at least he has passion and commitment sadly lacking in a team of mediocrity.

No doubt you happy clappers will object to this calling me such things as a 'skate in disguise' to those for God's sake wake up and smell the coffee - the mediocre side is heading for the Championship at this rate!!!!!!

I think the only thing I would not wholly agree with is dropping Spider, though I do agree JWP is a great option to replace him with if you do...

each to their own. but please remember where we were 3 seasons ago..........

Fair point but you can't live in the past. Saints is either a side that is Premier League quality or its not. The end of the season will tell that. It can't live on past glories!!!!!!!!!

Whilst I agree to an extent saintsoul that each player yesterday could have played better, the team as a whole ground out a result.
You might call me a happy clapper, but I invented that description back in October when we were blindly keeping faith with the same 11 and playing open attacking football that conceded more than we scored.
IMO we need a centreback in January and that's what we will buy or loan. Ideally a blighting midfield player and goalkeeper too but can't see that happening.

Helpful post thank you. These players have got to start performing. That's why IMO you can't simply turn around and blame NA. If NA went the incoming manager would be left with the same squad. What incentive other thanbtheyvare playing in probably the best league in the world do they need to go out on the pitch and give 100 per cent? Yesterday is a classic example. There was no tempo to the casinos game. Hardly any movement when a ball is passed. Instead we resort to long ball and at times 'kick and hope' the lack of tenacity and wanting the all, of closing down opponents is obvious and worrying!

I'm mot singling out Shaw yesterday e is a tremendous talent and you have to bear in mind he is only 17 but MOTD showed how easily he gave up - he effectively stopped running andcalloedcthe cross to be made that led to the goal. Had he continued running he may not have prevented the cross but e could have put the winger off! Would Ferguson tolerate such non commitment? I think not.

That's why I'm such a fan of JWP. He will run, close down the opposition, he is constantly scanning and is fully committed to winning. He got top averages re ground covered and acceleration when e featured early on in the season. His reward? To be relegated to the bench. He's appeared for 5 minutes against West Ham in the league since. Is that how NA repays such commitment? If it is then its scandalous. How s a player like him overseen but players like Guly and De Ridder played? It's beyond me? JWP has recently committed himself to five years with the club one wonders why? I've heard a number of teams are after him Liverpool being the front runners and it would be best for him career wise if he moved. That's the sad reality. If he's not going to beoksyed then I hope he's loaned out in January!!!

The team ave got to up their games considerably if they want to be playing Premiership football next season!!!!!

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:

insane saint wrote:

SnapperSaint wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Having been at the game I watched MOTD this morning that just confirmed the view I posted last night. Quite simply Saints were mediocre. As far as the goal was concerned it was concerning to see that Shaw just gave up and allowed the cross to be made that led to the goal. That was a howler by Kelvin!!!!

Steven Davis was awful! I note in this morning's Sun he scored a 4! Why oh why NA doesn't give JWP a run out is beyond me or is it? I noted yesterday and it was clear from MOTD that NA doesn't have a clue. He was speaking with Crosby and Wilkins obviously for advice and inspiration. What does he do? He brings on Rodriguez a total waste of space and money and yes.... The dream super sub - Guly! What a joke!!!!!

Unless quality players are brought in during January I.e. two decent centre backs a good left back and a decent striker Saints are destined to be the whipping boys of the Premier League in the second half if the season!

Spider should be dropped and replaced by JWP at least he has passion and commitment sadly lacking in a team of mediocrity.

No doubt you happy clappers will object to this calling me such things as a 'skate in disguise' to those for God's sake wake up and smell the coffee - the mediocre side is heading for the Championship at this rate!!!!!!

I think the only thing I would not wholly agree with is dropping Spider, though I do agree JWP is a great option to replace him with if you do...

each to their own. but please remember where we were 3 seasons ago..........

Fair point but you can't live in the past. Saints is either a side that is Premier League quality or its not. The end of the season will tell that. It can't live on past glories!!!!!!!!!

It's not living on past glories it's building and investing in a stable longterm future. Two back to back promotions, £33m spent on players and £15m on the academy - and yet you want more and more and more.....

Every fan of every club in the Prem believe they belong there and so do many fans of clubs in the Championship - even a delusional club in Div1 thinks it should be. Fulham have spent alot over the years and have been in the Prem for more than ten, their fans booed the team off because they expect to beat the newly promoted teams.

Get real ffs!

23 million spent and money wasted on Ramirez and Rodriguez. Your comments are accurate so when we are relegated at the end of the season we can say to ourselves ...'never mind we spent 23 million on players and 15 million on the Academy...' Cold comfort me thinks!!!!!!

I agree with the point about Rodriguez and the money but not Ramirez. His best position is playing off Lambo and we need to build the team around him like Alan Ball did with Le Tiss. Apart from that I agree with a lot you are saying saintly it's about being realistic but I do think we will stay up as at present I believe there are 4 worse teams than us in the league. Need a GK, CB, LB, Winger and I reckon a striker as well. I can't see us picking up another win until February so gotta just hang in there til then and hope others get beat.

Scrap that last comment forgot we had Villa away absolutely huge game

saintlysoul wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:

insane saint wrote:

SnapperSaint wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Having been at the game I watched MOTD this morning that just confirmed the view I posted last night. Quite simply Saints were mediocre. As far as the goal was concerned it was concerning to see that Shaw just gave up and allowed the cross to be made that led to the goal. That was a howler by Kelvin!!!!

Steven Davis was awful! I note in this morning's Sun he scored a 4! Why oh why NA doesn't give JWP a run out is beyond me or is it? I noted yesterday and it was clear from MOTD that NA doesn't have a clue. He was speaking with Crosby and Wilkins obviously for advice and inspiration. What does he do? He brings on Rodriguez a total waste of space and money and yes.... The dream super sub - Guly! What a joke!!!!!

Unless quality players are brought in during January I.e. two decent centre backs a good left back and a decent striker Saints are destined to be the whipping boys of the Premier League in the second half if the season!

Spider should be dropped and replaced by JWP at least he has passion and commitment sadly lacking in a team of mediocrity.

No doubt you happy clappers will object to this calling me such things as a 'skate in disguise' to those for God's sake wake up and smell the coffee - the mediocre side is heading for the Championship at this rate!!!!!!

I think the only thing I would not wholly agree with is dropping Spider, though I do agree JWP is a great option to replace him with if you do...

each to their own. but please remember where we were 3 seasons ago..........

Fair point but you can't live in the past. Saints is either a side that is Premier League quality or its not. The end of the season will tell that. It can't live on past glories!!!!!!!!!

Whilst I agree to an extent saintsoul that each player yesterday could have played better, the team as a whole ground out a result.
You might call me a happy clapper, but I invented that description back in October when we were blindly keeping faith with the same 11 and playing open attacking football that conceded more than we scored.
IMO we need a centreback in January and that's what we will buy or loan. Ideally a blighting midfield player and goalkeeper too but can't see that happening.

Helpful post thank you. These players have got to start performing. That's why IMO you can't simply turn around and blame NA. If NA went the incoming manager would be left with the same squad. What incentive other thanbtheyvare playing in probably the best league in the world do they need to go out on the pitch and give 100 per cent? Yesterday is a classic example. There was no tempo to the casinos game. Hardly any movement when a ball is passed. Instead we resort to long ball and at times 'kick and hope' the lack of tenacity and wanting the all, of closing down opponents is obvious and worrying!

I'm mot singling out Shaw yesterday e is a tremendous talent and you have to bear in mind he is only 17 but MOTD showed how easily he gave up - he effectively stopped running andcalloedcthe cross to be made that led to the goal. Had he continued running he may not have prevented the cross but e could have put the winger off! Would Ferguson tolerate such non commitment? I think not.

That's why I'm such a fan of JWP. He will run, close down the opposition, he is constantly scanning and is fully committed to winning. He got top averages re ground covered and acceleration when e featured early on in the season. His reward? To be relegated to the bench. He's appeared for 5 minutes against West Ham in the league since. Is that how NA repays such commitment? If it is then its scandalous. How s a player like him overseen but players like Guly and De Ridder played? It's beyond me? JWP has recently committed himself to five years with the club one wonders why? I've heard a number of teams are after him Liverpool being the front runners and it would be best for him career wise if he moved. That's the sad reality. If he's not going to beoksyed then I hope he's loaned out in January!!!

The team ave got to up their games considerably if they want to be playing Premiership football next season!!!!!

JWP does not really compete for the same spot as Guly or De Ridder

swesaint wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:

insane saint wrote:

SnapperSaint wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Having been at the game I watched MOTD this morning that just confirmed the view I posted last night. Quite simply Saints were mediocre. As far as the goal was concerned it was concerning to see that Shaw just gave up and allowed the cross to be made that led to the goal. That was a howler by Kelvin!!!!

Steven Davis was awful! I note in this morning's Sun he scored a 4! Why oh why NA doesn't give JWP a run out is beyond me or is it? I noted yesterday and it was clear from MOTD that NA doesn't have a clue. He was speaking with Crosby and Wilkins obviously for advice and inspiration. What does he do? He brings on Rodriguez a total waste of space and money and yes.... The dream super sub - Guly! What a joke!!!!!

Unless quality players are brought in during January I.e. two decent centre backs a good left back and a decent striker Saints are destined to be the whipping boys of the Premier League in the second half if the season!

Spider should be dropped and replaced by JWP at least he has passion and commitment sadly lacking in a team of mediocrity.

No doubt you happy clappers will object to this calling me such things as a 'skate in disguise' to those for God's sake wake up and smell the coffee - the mediocre side is heading for the Championship at this rate!!!!!!

I think the only thing I would not wholly agree with is dropping Spider, though I do agree JWP is a great option to replace him with if you do...

each to their own. but please remember where we were 3 seasons ago..........

Fair point but you can't live in the past. Saints is either a side that is Premier League quality or its not. The end of the season will tell that. It can't live on past glories!!!!!!!!!

Whilst I agree to an extent saintsoul that each player yesterday could have played better, the team as a whole ground out a result.
You might call me a happy clapper, but I invented that description back in October when we were blindly keeping faith with the same 11 and playing open attacking football that conceded more than we scored.
IMO we need a centreback in January and that's what we will buy or loan. Ideally a blighting midfield player and goalkeeper too but can't see that happening.

Helpful post thank you. These players have got to start performing. That's why IMO you can't simply turn around and blame NA. If NA went the incoming manager would be left with the same squad. What incentive other thanbtheyvare playing in probably the best league in the world do they need to go out on the pitch and give 100 per cent? Yesterday is a classic example. There was no tempo to the casinos game. Hardly any movement when a ball is passed. Instead we resort to long ball and at times 'kick and hope' the lack of tenacity and wanting the all, of closing down opponents is obvious and worrying!

I'm mot singling out Shaw yesterday e is a tremendous talent and you have to bear in mind he is only 17 but MOTD showed how easily he gave up - he effectively stopped running andcalloedcthe cross to be made that led to the goal. Had he continued running he may not have prevented the cross but e could have put the winger off! Would Ferguson tolerate such non commitment? I think not.

That's why I'm such a fan of JWP. He will run, close down the opposition, he is constantly scanning and is fully committed to winning. He got top averages re ground covered and acceleration when e featured early on in the season. His reward? To be relegated to the bench. He's appeared for 5 minutes against West Ham in the league since. Is that how NA repays such commitment? If it is then its scandalous. How s a player like him overseen but players like Guly and De Ridder played? It's beyond me? JWP has recently committed himself to five years with the club one wonders why? I've heard a number of teams are after him Liverpool being the front runners and it would be best for him career wise if he moved. That's the sad reality. If he's not going to beoksyed then I hope he's loaned out in January!!!

The team ave got to up their games considerably if they want to be playing Premiership football next season!!!!!

JWP does not really compete for the same spot as Guly or De Ridder

That actually is a fair comment!

swesaint wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:

insane saint wrote:

SnapperSaint wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Having been at the game I watched MOTD this morning that just confirmed the view I posted last night. Quite simply Saints were mediocre. As far as the goal was concerned it was concerning to see that Shaw just gave up and allowed the cross to be made that led to the goal. That was a howler by Kelvin!!!!

Steven Davis was awful! I note in this morning's Sun he scored a 4! Why oh why NA doesn't give JWP a run out is beyond me or is it? I noted yesterday and it was clear from MOTD that NA doesn't have a clue. He was speaking with Crosby and Wilkins obviously for advice and inspiration. What does he do? He brings on Rodriguez a total waste of space and money and yes.... The dream super sub - Guly! What a joke!!!!!

Unless quality players are brought in during January I.e. two decent centre backs a good left back and a decent striker Saints are destined to be the whipping boys of the Premier League in the second half if the season!

Spider should be dropped and replaced by JWP at least he has passion and commitment sadly lacking in a team of mediocrity.

No doubt you happy clappers will object to this calling me such things as a 'skate in disguise' to those for God's sake wake up and smell the coffee - the mediocre side is heading for the Championship at this rate!!!!!!

I think the only thing I would not wholly agree with is dropping Spider, though I do agree JWP is a great option to replace him with if you do...

each to their own. but please remember where we were 3 seasons ago..........

Fair point but you can't live in the past. Saints is either a side that is Premier League quality or its not. The end of the season will tell that. It can't live on past glories!!!!!!!!!

Whilst I agree to an extent saintsoul that each player yesterday could have played better, the team as a whole ground out a result.
You might call me a happy clapper, but I invented that description back in October when we were blindly keeping faith with the same 11 and playing open attacking football that conceded more than we scored.
IMO we need a centreback in January and that's what we will buy or loan. Ideally a blighting midfield player and goalkeeper too but can't see that happening.

Helpful post thank you. These players have got to start performing. That's why IMO you can't simply turn around and blame NA. If NA went the incoming manager would be left with the same squad. What incentive other thanbtheyvare playing in probably the best league in the world do they need to go out on the pitch and give 100 per cent? Yesterday is a classic example. There was no tempo to the casinos game. Hardly any movement when a ball is passed. Instead we resort to long ball and at times 'kick and hope' the lack of tenacity and wanting the all, of closing down opponents is obvious and worrying!

I'm mot singling out Shaw yesterday e is a tremendous talent and you have to bear in mind he is only 17 but MOTD showed how easily he gave up - he effectively stopped running andcalloedcthe cross to be made that led to the goal. Had he continued running he may not have prevented the cross but e could have put the winger off! Would Ferguson tolerate such non commitment? I think not.

That's why I'm such a fan of JWP. He will run, close down the opposition, he is constantly scanning and is fully committed to winning. He got top averages re ground covered and acceleration when e featured early on in the season. His reward? To be relegated to the bench. He's appeared for 5 minutes against West Ham in the league since. Is that how NA repays such commitment? If it is then its scandalous. How s a player like him overseen but players like Guly and De Ridder played? It's beyond me? JWP has recently committed himself to five years with the club one wonders why? I've heard a number of teams are after him Liverpool being the front runners and it would be best for him career wise if he moved. That's the sad reality. If he's not going to beoksyed then I hope he's loaned out in January!!!

The team ave got to up their games considerably if they want to be playing Premiership football next season!!!!!

JWP does not really compete for the same spot as Guly or De Ridder

That actually is a fair comment!

Christ there are some idiots on here today who need to get a reality check. We win a few games and suddenly you expect to win every game.

Players have good games and bad games,just like you sometimes have a bad day when your sweeping the streets.

It is also a game about opinions. I thought spider was our best player,the amnt of tackles he makes in a game is astonishing and the stats will tell you he's one of the best.

Young players need breaks, JWP got his and think shaw will soon-couple mistakes any young kid will make.

Once lalanna returns, ramierez will go back behind rickie-and I think that partnership will see us well clear of three really poor teams.

Keep the negativity away from us fans with some sense of reality !!

We can pontificate for ever on one player being better than another - it's so subjective that there will never be total agreement. What, however, is patently obvious (and, surprisingly,not alluded to here at great length) is that a half-way decent keeper would have guaranteed another half dozen points or so in the last month. That would have moved us up another 4 or 5 places.

The transfer window only requires one signing - a top class, authoratative keeper with a proven pedigree. If NA (or NC) achieves this, survival is a given.

Seedhouse - NINETEEN only means "until the next adjournment" that is all.

Could you also explain the 33 million spent on players. I make it J-Rod + Gaston = 19 million.

Where did the rest (14 million) go?

Or did you hear it from TEBOURBA" first?