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Saints boss refuses to point the blame at Guly
10:20am Monday 31st December 2012 in Sport
Saints boss refuses to point the blame at Guly
Nigel Adkins refused to blame Guly Do Prado for fluffing an easy effort that would almost certainly have given Saints a shock win at Stoke.
But the boss admitted the Brazilian’s glaring miss might have been the turning point.
Guly, making his first league start since mid October, missed the target from 12 yards out with an empty net gaping when another goal would have put Saints 4-1 up and surely out of sight at the Britannia Stadium.
However, just a minute later Stoke had made it 3-2 and, despite being reduced to ten men, managed to bag a point from a game it appeared they would lose.
Adkins said: “Guly Do Prado, although we talk about the opportunity to put us four up, he’s had an excellent game for us on the left hand side.
“He put in a great cross for the first goal.”
Adkins added: “We’ve gone through and that (Guly’s miss) could have put us four up.
“As it is, a couple of ricochets in the area have given Stoke a lifeline to go 3-2.
“And at the end of the day you’ve got to give the player that scored the equalising goal credit because it’s a wonder goal.
“It’s a long ball forward, he lands on the second ball and lashes in an unstoppable shot.”
Comments(60)
Hobson82
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10:49am Mon 31 Dec 12
I'm on the fence where Guly is concerned, but I don't think it's fair to blame him, taking away the open goal he missed he was probably one of our best players on Saturday.
It's all swings and round abouts, Kenwyne Jones missed a glorious chance from about 2 yards early on. They probably should have had a penalty for a handball on Fonte, so I still think it was a good result. A result I would have taken before the game.
It's all swings and round abouts, Kenwyne Jones missed a glorious chance from about 2 yards early on. They probably should have had a penalty for a handball on Fonte, so I still think it was a good result. A result I would have taken before the game.
Dazzler79
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11:03am Mon 31 Dec 12
Guly can do know wrong for Adkins that's why he plays the useless idiot.
I blame him for missing a sitter and I also blame Davis for not stopping Upson goal.
Adkins is losing the plot with his baffling picking of team and post match interviews too.
I blame him for missing a sitter and I also blame Davis for not stopping Upson goal.
Adkins is losing the plot with his baffling picking of team and post match interviews too.
warrens 76
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11:10am Mon 31 Dec 12
In all fairness the issue with Guly is expectation from his undoubted talent, people have seen him train and know that is not his problem.
The annoyance with Guly over ALL other Saints players is time and time again when quality or commitment is called upon to save us HE fails.
Pmuff last year pathetic defensive commitment to let them equalise....
..Sunderland QPR Stoke..he had chances that a player of HIS quality should treat as a piece of cake and fücks it up...
The boo boys are wrong to vent at any player but I have tried to explain what it is about Guly that creates the hostility....
... and it is that he does not perform for us to his undoubted capabilities, we expect less from lesser players, he unfortunately when given chances on a plate misses them and for a player of his talent it is NOT acceptable.
Wasted talent is much more annoying than no talent....and there it is.
The annoyance with Guly over ALL other Saints players is time and time again when quality or commitment is called upon to save us HE fails.
Pmuff last year pathetic defensive commitment to let them equalise....
..Sunderland QPR Stoke..he had chances that a player of HIS quality should treat as a piece of cake and fücks it up...
The boo boys are wrong to vent at any player but I have tried to explain what it is about Guly that creates the hostility....
... and it is that he does not perform for us to his undoubted capabilities, we expect less from lesser players, he unfortunately when given chances on a plate misses them and for a player of his talent it is NOT acceptable.
Wasted talent is much more annoying than no talent....and there it is.
Bpl333
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11:12am Mon 31 Dec 12
OSPREYSAINT wrote:very honest statement there
Well someone has to take the blame so Guly is as popular a scapegoat as any, unless of course it is KD for flapping, or Rickie for not getting a hat trick or Lallana for not being there, or Corky for not getting injured enough for the the red card incident, or the fans for not shouting loud and long enough, It may have been NA's tactics, it may have been the single magpie I saw, it couldn't possibly be that Stoke were a very good side with a great team ethic and a thirst to succeed or anything like that could it? Personally I blame it all on the negative posters on here, creating bad vibes and causing our downfall. If I could, I would blame the blue phew, but they have their own problems so it can't be that.
warrens 76
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11:12am Mon 31 Dec 12
By the way was I the only one who KNEW that we would regret that missed opportunity to go 1-4 up...I knew it and within what a minute there it was...2-3 and we were in trouble...
Hobson82
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11:16am Mon 31 Dec 12
Dazzler79 wrote:Early on in the season I was one of the few calling for Adkins to go, but not anymore. He seems to be learning from his mistakes. I assume he picked Guly for the same reason he picked Jos over Fraser (they are both 6ft+).
Guly can do know wrong for Adkins that's why he plays the useless idiot. I blame him for missing a sitter and I also blame Davis for not stopping Upson goal. Adkins is losing the plot with his baffling picking of team and post match interviews too.
I hope Nigel learned something from Tony Pulis though, when your behind or when you have a team against the ropes, you need to take a risk and just go for it. Pulis gambled by having 4 strikers on the pitch and it paid off.
Saint1388
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11:18am Mon 31 Dec 12
Dazzler79 wrote:YAWN!!!!
Guly can do know wrong for Adkins that's why he plays the useless idiot.
I blame him for missing a sitter and I also blame Davis for not stopping Upson goal.
Adkins is losing the plot with his baffling picking of team and post match interviews too.
I suppose you are probably one of the idiots who was calling for Adkins to be sacked after the first 10 games...
How is Adkins losing the plot? Ever heard of squad rotation? He was merely utilising the other players we have and if it wasn't for a wonder goal at the end it would have worked!
Get behind your team and stop moaning!
COYR's!!
montecristosaint
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11:23am Mon 31 Dec 12
I feel sorry for Guly.
The fact is he has bags of flair but plays like a brazilian and I suspect that in Brittain much of what he does not do is seen to be laziness.
He is not gong to expend energy running about like a headless chicken chasing lost causes.
Yes he missed a good chance but then how many would have even got a shot away from that position.
Because i live in Portugal I see that kind of player day in and day out because thats how many play the game here.
Guly is not an english box to box player so please stop judging him as if he was one. And stop thinking that just because he is a brazilian flair player he is going to score every time he gets the ball within sight of goal. He is not Messi.
The fact is he has bags of flair but plays like a brazilian and I suspect that in Brittain much of what he does not do is seen to be laziness.
He is not gong to expend energy running about like a headless chicken chasing lost causes.
Yes he missed a good chance but then how many would have even got a shot away from that position.
Because i live in Portugal I see that kind of player day in and day out because thats how many play the game here.
Guly is not an english box to box player so please stop judging him as if he was one. And stop thinking that just because he is a brazilian flair player he is going to score every time he gets the ball within sight of goal. He is not Messi.
ramptonfromsouthampton
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11:26am Mon 31 Dec 12
Dazzler79 wrote:And of course, you would have popped that easy one in yourself from four times the distance, blindfolded and with both arms tied behind your back. Personally I am getting more than bored with the ongoing anti-Guly sentiments here. And given the fact that I'm STILL hearing racist b****x from our own fans towards our own players at St Mary's, it wouldn't surprise me to find that most of the Guly haters are down on him purely for not being English. I'm not saying this applies to you Dazzler, and of course, you're entitled to an opinion the same as I am. But you can't tell me that it's purely a 'football matter' that there are people willing to slag him off. And as for being useless, I think you'll find he was one of the better players that turned out against Stoke. The fact that I was happy for him that he was in the starting 11 and not coming on as a sub to be booed by his OWN fans before he's even kicked a ball says a lot about what's wrong with a certain section of our support. And before any of the blue lot down the road pipe up, you'd do to have a good long look at yourselves too.
Guly can do know wrong for Adkins that's why he plays the useless idiot.
I blame him for missing a sitter and I also blame Davis for not stopping Upson goal.
Adkins is losing the plot with his baffling picking of team and post match interviews too.
Just A Voice
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11:26am Mon 31 Dec 12
Nigel may not blame Guly but I do, if he scored it would have killed the game off, also it would have allowed the Davis error to have less of an impact.
I have never understood the insistence of playing Guly when they're far better committed younger players waiting in the wings.
A best Guly is ordinary at worst a disaster, having said that he doesn't deserved to be booed by fans, he wears the shirt of Southampton Football Club and as such he shouldn't be booed.
I have never understood the insistence of playing Guly when they're far better committed younger players waiting in the wings.
A best Guly is ordinary at worst a disaster, having said that he doesn't deserved to be booed by fans, he wears the shirt of Southampton Football Club and as such he shouldn't be booed.
SFCSaint
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11:32am Mon 31 Dec 12
It is guly's fault Adkins you idiot! scores that its 4-1 and i dont care how powerful Stoke are there aint no way theyre coming back from that! that miss actually rejuvenated them and gave them the belief that they could get back in it even with 10 men so yes it was his fault because if hed scored that wed have 2 points and be out of the bottom 3 that miss and then them coming back made the game feel like a loss!!
Just A Voice
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11:32am Mon 31 Dec 12
ramptonfromsouthamptI disagree with your comment regarding the colour of Guly's skin, I and many of the people I stand with in Itchen North block 2 and have never rated him, I've heard a few people boo him and they have been told to shut it, however I have never witnessed any form of racism directed at Guly from that section of the ground.
on wrote:
Dazzler79 wrote:And of course, you would have popped that easy one in yourself from four times the distance, blindfolded and with both arms tied behind your back. Personally I am getting more than bored with the ongoing anti-Guly sentiments here. And given the fact that I'm STILL hearing racist b****x from our own fans towards our own players at St Mary's, it wouldn't surprise me to find that most of the Guly haters are down on him purely for not being English. I'm not saying this applies to you Dazzler, and of course, you're entitled to an opinion the same as I am. But you can't tell me that it's purely a 'football matter' that there are people willing to slag him off. And as for being useless, I think you'll find he was one of the better players that turned out against Stoke. The fact that I was happy for him that he was in the starting 11 and not coming on as a sub to be booed by his OWN fans before he's even kicked a ball says a lot about what's wrong with a certain section of our support. And before any of the blue lot down the road pipe up, you'd do to have a good long look at yourselves too.
Guly can do know wrong for Adkins that's why he plays the useless idiot.
I blame him for missing a sitter and I also blame Davis for not stopping Upson goal.
Adkins is losing the plot with his baffling picking of team and post match interviews too.
rocketone
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11:40am Mon 31 Dec 12
Guly plays for Saints and the manager rates him.
Good enough for me!
Good enough for me!
ramptonfromsouthampton
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11:43am Mon 31 Dec 12
Just A Voice wrote:If you are telling me that you've never heard any racist comment towards our players, I'd say you appear to be suffering from a selective form of deafness. Perhaps in the exact spot where you are located there is an acoustic anomaly preventing certain words and phrases from finding their way into your ears? Sorry fellah, but do you honestly want me to believe that all of the Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from? Surely you're not that naive?
ramptonfromsouthamptI disagree with your comment regarding the colour of Guly's skin, I and many of the people I stand with in Itchen North block 2 and have never rated him, I've heard a few people boo him and they have been told to shut it, however I have never witnessed any form of racism directed at Guly from that section of the ground.
on wrote:
Dazzler79 wrote:And of course, you would have popped that easy one in yourself from four times the distance, blindfolded and with both arms tied behind your back. Personally I am getting more than bored with the ongoing anti-Guly sentiments here. And given the fact that I'm STILL hearing racist b****x from our own fans towards our own players at St Mary's, it wouldn't surprise me to find that most of the Guly haters are down on him purely for not being English. I'm not saying this applies to you Dazzler, and of course, you're entitled to an opinion the same as I am. But you can't tell me that it's purely a 'football matter' that there are people willing to slag him off. And as for being useless, I think you'll find he was one of the better players that turned out against Stoke. The fact that I was happy for him that he was in the starting 11 and not coming on as a sub to be booed by his OWN fans before he's even kicked a ball says a lot about what's wrong with a certain section of our support. And before any of the blue lot down the road pipe up, you'd do to have a good long look at yourselves too.
Guly can do know wrong for Adkins that's why he plays the useless idiot.
I blame him for missing a sitter and I also blame Davis for not stopping Upson goal.
Adkins is losing the plot with his baffling picking of team and post match interviews too.
Nicole23
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11:44am Mon 31 Dec 12
How many goals did Everton miss against Chelsea yesterday, or QPR against L'pool?
Rickie's missed a few lately as well, you cant single out a player like that. I though Guly done alright, got back a lot too and kept us in it. I did think he could have come off about 80 mins but who would you put on instead,De Ridder? What good would that have done.
If anyones to blame it's Kelv for the 2nd goal.
Rickie's missed a few lately as well, you cant single out a player like that. I though Guly done alright, got back a lot too and kept us in it. I did think he could have come off about 80 mins but who would you put on instead,De Ridder? What good would that have done.
If anyones to blame it's Kelv for the 2nd goal.
Crispinmumbles
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11:46am Mon 31 Dec 12
I DO blame Guly for missing another sitter. This one was almost as bad as the open goal he missed the other day it's nothing to do with his ethnic origin, it's the fact he is not good enough and I doubt his commitment to the cause. At least he wasn't laughing about this one so I suppose that's an improvement As for Davis, he's the best keeper we've got and with him between the sticks at least we have the chance of a result because he talks to his defence perhaps people just choose to ignore the top drawer saves he's made e.g Fulham first 30 seconds. Upson's goal he saw very late.
saintlysoul
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11:51am Mon 31 Dec 12
ramptonfromsouthamptI've hard appalling racist comments whilst in the Itchen Stand being directed towards Guly, Clyne & Puncheon. I think its no more than representative of the society we live in rather than being confined to football and those 3 particular individals. It is wholly unacceptable when player under performs to attack his ethnicity creed or colour the disappointing thing is that the stewards seem to turn a blind eye. Again in fairness that 'selective deafness' is not confined to St. Mary's I've heard similar at away grounds.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:If you are telling me that you've never heard any racist comment towards our players, I'd say you appear to be suffering from a selective form of deafness. Perhaps in the exact spot where you are located there is an acoustic anomaly preventing certain words and phrases from finding their way into your ears? Sorry fellah, but do you honestly want me to believe that all of the Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from? Surely you're not that naive?
ramptonfromsouthamptI disagree with your comment regarding the colour of Guly's skin, I and many of the people I stand with in Itchen North block 2 and have never rated him, I've heard a few people boo him and they have been told to shut it, however I have never witnessed any form of racism directed at Guly from that section of the ground.
on wrote:
Dazzler79 wrote:And of course, you would have popped that easy one in yourself from four times the distance, blindfolded and with both arms tied behind your back. Personally I am getting more than bored with the ongoing anti-Guly sentiments here. And given the fact that I'm STILL hearing racist b****x from our own fans towards our own players at St Mary's, it wouldn't surprise me to find that most of the Guly haters are down on him purely for not being English. I'm not saying this applies to you Dazzler, and of course, you're entitled to an opinion the same as I am. But you can't tell me that it's purely a 'football matter' that there are people willing to slag him off. And as for being useless, I think you'll find he was one of the better players that turned out against Stoke. The fact that I was happy for him that he was in the starting 11 and not coming on as a sub to be booed by his OWN fans before he's even kicked a ball says a lot about what's wrong with a certain section of our support. And before any of the blue lot down the road pipe up, you'd do to have a good long look at yourselves too.
Guly can do know wrong for Adkins that's why he plays the useless idiot.
I blame him for missing a sitter and I also blame Davis for not stopping Upson goal.
Adkins is losing the plot with his baffling picking of team and post match interviews too.
up saints
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11:52am Mon 31 Dec 12
most on here will know iam not the biggest guly fan but thought he did ok aleast he can put decent cross in the box.the points were dropped in a combination of errors in my opinion wrong subs davis should of done better. always easy to say after the event but i would of took 3-3 start of play roll on arsenal
Just A Voice
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11:54am Mon 31 Dec 12
You ask me......The Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from?......My answer to that No, the fact that he is pretty useless is more to do with it, It may occur in your section of the crowd, there is nothing wrong with my hearing or the acoustics's in the ground.
I think you're trying to raise an issue that isn't there,,,my opinion of Guly's lack of ability has nothing to do with his colour or origin.
I think you're trying to raise an issue that isn't there,,,my opinion of Guly's lack of ability has nothing to do with his colour or origin.
Suttonite
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11:55am Mon 31 Dec 12
Some are unfortunate to lose their sight. Others choose to lose theirs. Guly probably runs more than most, is bigger and stronger in the tackle than others. He was most certainly one of the best players against Stoke. He invariably makes causes problems for opposition defences. He is not the calmest or smoothest of finishers. He was the right choice against the size and physicality of a Stoke side and showed it. However, his name is Guly, so from the boos before the game to the negative comments from some of the idiots on here who seem to think they run the site and represent the 'only' voice of Saints fans that should be listened to, Guly takes the blame. Open your eyes and and listen to the views of others who have perfectly valid opinions. .
Just A Voice
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11:56am Mon 31 Dec 12
ramptonfromsouthamptYou ask me......The Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from?......My answer to that No, the fact that he is pretty useless is more to do with it, It may occur in your section of the crowd, there is nothing wrong with my hearing or the acoustics's in the ground.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:If you are telling me that you've never heard any racist comment towards our players, I'd say you appear to be suffering from a selective form of deafness. Perhaps in the exact spot where you are located there is an acoustic anomaly preventing certain words and phrases from finding their way into your ears? Sorry fellah, but do you honestly want me to believe that all of the Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from? Surely you're not that naive?
ramptonfromsouthamptI disagree with your comment regarding the colour of Guly's skin, I and many of the people I stand with in Itchen North block 2 and have never rated him, I've heard a few people boo him and they have been told to shut it, however I have never witnessed any form of racism directed at Guly from that section of the ground.
on wrote:
Dazzler79 wrote:And of course, you would have popped that easy one in yourself from four times the distance, blindfolded and with both arms tied behind your back. Personally I am getting more than bored with the ongoing anti-Guly sentiments here. And given the fact that I'm STILL hearing racist b****x from our own fans towards our own players at St Mary's, it wouldn't surprise me to find that most of the Guly haters are down on him purely for not being English. I'm not saying this applies to you Dazzler, and of course, you're entitled to an opinion the same as I am. But you can't tell me that it's purely a 'football matter' that there are people willing to slag him off. And as for being useless, I think you'll find he was one of the better players that turned out against Stoke. The fact that I was happy for him that he was in the starting 11 and not coming on as a sub to be booed by his OWN fans before he's even kicked a ball says a lot about what's wrong with a certain section of our support. And before any of the blue lot down the road pipe up, you'd do to have a good long look at yourselves too.
Guly can do know wrong for Adkins that's why he plays the useless idiot.
I blame him for missing a sitter and I also blame Davis for not stopping Upson goal.
Adkins is losing the plot with his baffling picking of team and post match interviews too.
I think you're trying to raise an issue that isn't there,,,my opinion of Guly's lack of ability has nothing to do with his colour or origin.
Just A Voice
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11:57am Mon 31 Dec 12
saintlysoul wrote:What section/block of the Itchen?
ramptonfromsouthamptI've hard appalling racist comments whilst in the Itchen Stand being directed towards Guly, Clyne & Puncheon. I think its no more than representative of the society we live in rather than being confined to football and those 3 particular individals. It is wholly unacceptable when player under performs to attack his ethnicity creed or colour the disappointing thing is that the stewards seem to turn a blind eye. Again in fairness that 'selective deafness' is not confined to St. Mary's I've heard similar at away grounds.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:If you are telling me that you've never heard any racist comment towards our players, I'd say you appear to be suffering from a selective form of deafness. Perhaps in the exact spot where you are located there is an acoustic anomaly preventing certain words and phrases from finding their way into your ears? Sorry fellah, but do you honestly want me to believe that all of the Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from? Surely you're not that naive?
ramptonfromsouthamptI disagree with your comment regarding the colour of Guly's skin, I and many of the people I stand with in Itchen North block 2 and have never rated him, I've heard a few people boo him and they have been told to shut it, however I have never witnessed any form of racism directed at Guly from that section of the ground.
on wrote:
Dazzler79 wrote:And of course, you would have popped that easy one in yourself from four times the distance, blindfolded and with both arms tied behind your back. Personally I am getting more than bored with the ongoing anti-Guly sentiments here. And given the fact that I'm STILL hearing racist b****x from our own fans towards our own players at St Mary's, it wouldn't surprise me to find that most of the Guly haters are down on him purely for not being English. I'm not saying this applies to you Dazzler, and of course, you're entitled to an opinion the same as I am. But you can't tell me that it's purely a 'football matter' that there are people willing to slag him off. And as for being useless, I think you'll find he was one of the better players that turned out against Stoke. The fact that I was happy for him that he was in the starting 11 and not coming on as a sub to be booed by his OWN fans before he's even kicked a ball says a lot about what's wrong with a certain section of our support. And before any of the blue lot down the road pipe up, you'd do to have a good long look at yourselves too.
Guly can do know wrong for Adkins that's why he plays the useless idiot.
I blame him for missing a sitter and I also blame Davis for not stopping Upson goal.
Adkins is losing the plot with his baffling picking of team and post match interviews too.
SFCOLDBOY
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11:59am Mon 31 Dec 12
warrens 76 wrote:No you were not alone.
By the way was I the only one who KNEW that we would regret that missed opportunity to go 1-4 up...I knew it and within what a minute there it was...2-3 and we were in trouble...
It was an absolute.
As I climbed back off the ceiling after listening to Guly's open goal miss,i said to er- indoors we will concede, now just wait.
Unfortunately prooved right one minute later.
Watched Saints for 50 years they always do it don't they.
Dont you love em.
COYR
up saints
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12:11pm Mon 31 Dec 12
SFCOLDBOY wrote:i knew 3-1 up it would be an avalanche second half.in fairness to stoke we should of lost 4-3 defo penalty but we should have had about 4 in previous games what goes around comes around
warrens 76 wrote:No you were not alone.
By the way was I the only one who KNEW that we would regret that missed opportunity to go 1-4 up...I knew it and within what a minute there it was...2-3 and we were in trouble...
It was an absolute.
As I climbed back off the ceiling after listening to Guly's open goal miss,i said to er- indoors we will concede, now just wait.
Unfortunately prooved right one minute later.
Watched Saints for 50 years they always do it don't they.
Dont you love em.
COYR
montecristosaint
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12:12pm Mon 31 Dec 12
SFCOLDBOY wrote:To be fair its not exactly an open goal situation in fact I submit most would not have had the ability to get a shot off in that situation.
warrens 76 wrote:No you were not alone.
By the way was I the only one who KNEW that we would regret that missed opportunity to go 1-4 up...I knew it and within what a minute there it was...2-3 and we were in trouble...
It was an absolute.
As I climbed back off the ceiling after listening to Guly's open goal miss,i said to er- indoors we will concede, now just wait.
Unfortunately prooved right one minute later.
Watched Saints for 50 years they always do it don't they.
Dont you love em.
COYR
I dont know what it is with some Saints fans perhaps they just dont appreciate Brazilian flair players.
Personally I love watching play he is very clever on the ball and always a threat.
if he had scored instead of missing you would all have been singing his praises.
Fickle bunch some of you.
Dazzler79
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12:14pm Mon 31 Dec 12
Saint1388 wrote:No I wasn't calling for him to be sacked after 10 games as we need stability and he deserves chance.
Dazzler79 wrote:YAWN!!!!
Guly can do know wrong for Adkins that's why he plays the useless idiot.
I blame him for missing a sitter and I also blame Davis for not stopping Upson goal.
Adkins is losing the plot with his baffling picking of team and post match interviews too.
I suppose you are probably one of the idiots who was calling for Adkins to be sacked after the first 10 games...
How is Adkins losing the plot? Ever heard of squad rotation? He was merely utilising the other players we have and if it wasn't for a wonder goal at the end it would have worked!
Get behind your team and stop moaning!
COYR's!!
But how you or anyone can say his comments after the game on sat were not ridiculous are deluded.
He said the players done their jobs. I dont think so. They three away 2 goal lead against 10 men. That's not doing their jobs at all.
up saints
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12:19pm Mon 31 Dec 12
half changing the subject gazza gets my vote for goal againts arsenal anyone else agree
ramptonfromsouthampton
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1:07pm Mon 31 Dec 12
Just A Voice wrote:You've got to be joking if you think this is an 'issue that isn't there'. Wake up and smell the coffee mate. Racism in the game is STILL a problem and if you choose to ignore it then you might as well be condoning it. It's endemic and as another poster on this thread pointed out, it's not just at our place but throughout football and alive and kicking at every ground. I take it you did notice the uproar about the England U21's v Serbia? Terry v Ferdinand, Suarez and Evra... Even on the bloody pitch its a problem. And you want to tell me its not an issue? The morons behind the sadly, not uncommon racist comments and attitudes end up being protected by the likes of you, because by denying the problem exists you allow it to continue. Take your head out of the sand.
ramptonfromsouthamptYou ask me......The Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from?......My answer to that No, the fact that he is pretty useless is more to do with it, It may occur in your section of the crowd, there is nothing wrong with my hearing or the acoustics's in the ground.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:If you are telling me that you've never heard any racist comment towards our players, I'd say you appear to be suffering from a selective form of deafness. Perhaps in the exact spot where you are located there is an acoustic anomaly preventing certain words and phrases from finding their way into your ears? Sorry fellah, but do you honestly want me to believe that all of the Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from? Surely you're not that naive?
ramptonfromsouthamptI disagree with your comment regarding the colour of Guly's skin, I and many of the people I stand with in Itchen North block 2 and have never rated him, I've heard a few people boo him and they have been told to shut it, however I have never witnessed any form of racism directed at Guly from that section of the ground.
on wrote:
Dazzler79 wrote:And of course, you would have popped that easy one in yourself from four times the distance, blindfolded and with both arms tied behind your back. Personally I am getting more than bored with the ongoing anti-Guly sentiments here. And given the fact that I'm STILL hearing racist b****x from our own fans towards our own players at St Mary's, it wouldn't surprise me to find that most of the Guly haters are down on him purely for not being English. I'm not saying this applies to you Dazzler, and of course, you're entitled to an opinion the same as I am. But you can't tell me that it's purely a 'football matter' that there are people willing to slag him off. And as for being useless, I think you'll find he was one of the better players that turned out against Stoke. The fact that I was happy for him that he was in the starting 11 and not coming on as a sub to be booed by his OWN fans before he's even kicked a ball says a lot about what's wrong with a certain section of our support. And before any of the blue lot down the road pipe up, you'd do to have a good long look at yourselves too.
Guly can do know wrong for Adkins that's why he plays the useless idiot.
I blame him for missing a sitter and I also blame Davis for not stopping Upson goal.
Adkins is losing the plot with his baffling picking of team and post match interviews too.
I think you're trying to raise an issue that isn't there,,,my opinion of Guly's lack of ability has nothing to do with his colour or origin.
saintlysoul
says...
1:20pm Mon 31 Dec 12
ramptonfromsouthamptThis is a very insightful post. No matter what the Government say or do about trying to eradicate racism it is very much alive and kicking in our society. Moreover the paradox in football is that despite the publicity, the tannoy announcements at grounds indicating they will not tolerate racism, the 'say no to racism' campaigns advertised by the players wearing pre-match tee shirts and the managers wearing badges it's there to be seen and heard at nearly every match and those who should be monitoring it turn a blind in my experience!!!!
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:You've got to be joking if you think this is an 'issue that isn't there'. Wake up and smell the coffee mate. Racism in the game is STILL a problem and if you choose to ignore it then you might as well be condoning it. It's endemic and as another poster on this thread pointed out, it's not just at our place but throughout football and alive and kicking at every ground. I take it you did notice the uproar about the England U21's v Serbia? Terry v Ferdinand, Suarez and Evra... Even on the bloody pitch its a problem. And you want to tell me its not an issue? The morons behind the sadly, not uncommon racist comments and attitudes end up being protected by the likes of you, because by denying the problem exists you allow it to continue. Take your head out of the sand.
ramptonfromsouthamptYou ask me......The Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from?......My answer to that No, the fact that he is pretty useless is more to do with it, It may occur in your section of the crowd, there is nothing wrong with my hearing or the acoustics's in the ground.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:If you are telling me that you've never heard any racist comment towards our players, I'd say you appear to be suffering from a selective form of deafness. Perhaps in the exact spot where you are located there is an acoustic anomaly preventing certain words and phrases from finding their way into your ears? Sorry fellah, but do you honestly want me to believe that all of the Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from? Surely you're not that naive?
ramptonfromsouthamptI disagree with your comment regarding the colour of Guly's skin, I and many of the people I stand with in Itchen North block 2 and have never rated him, I've heard a few people boo him and they have been told to shut it, however I have never witnessed any form of racism directed at Guly from that section of the ground.
on wrote:
Dazzler79 wrote:And of course, you would have popped that easy one in yourself from four times the distance, blindfolded and with both arms tied behind your back. Personally I am getting more than bored with the ongoing anti-Guly sentiments here. And given the fact that I'm STILL hearing racist b****x from our own fans towards our own players at St Mary's, it wouldn't surprise me to find that most of the Guly haters are down on him purely for not being English. I'm not saying this applies to you Dazzler, and of course, you're entitled to an opinion the same as I am. But you can't tell me that it's purely a 'football matter' that there are people willing to slag him off. And as for being useless, I think you'll find he was one of the better players that turned out against Stoke. The fact that I was happy for him that he was in the starting 11 and not coming on as a sub to be booed by his OWN fans before he's even kicked a ball says a lot about what's wrong with a certain section of our support. And before any of the blue lot down the road pipe up, you'd do to have a good long look at yourselves too.
Guly can do know wrong for Adkins that's why he plays the useless idiot.
I blame him for missing a sitter and I also blame Davis for not stopping Upson goal.
Adkins is losing the plot with his baffling picking of team and post match interviews too.
I think you're trying to raise an issue that isn't there,,,my opinion of Guly's lack of ability has nothing to do with his colour or origin.
saintlysoul
says...
1:21pm Mon 31 Dec 12
Sorry should read 'turn a blind eye'!
Just A Voice
says...
1:38pm Mon 31 Dec 12
ramptonfromsouthamptI didn't say racism isn't an issue in football or in society in general, how dare suggest any different, you suggested that Guly is disliked by many Saints fans simply because of the colour of his skin and his country of origin, I said I'd never heard people saying that about him when I attend matches, I said it was more likely his inability to play football to a good standard as the reason people disliked him, also you never said anything about football in other countries or other clubs, which there is an appalling record of racial abuse.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:You've got to be joking if you think this is an 'issue that isn't there'. Wake up and smell the coffee mate. Racism in the game is STILL a problem and if you choose to ignore it then you might as well be condoning it. It's endemic and as another poster on this thread pointed out, it's not just at our place but throughout football and alive and kicking at every ground. I take it you did notice the uproar about the England U21's v Serbia? Terry v Ferdinand, Suarez and Evra... Even on the bloody pitch its a problem. And you want to tell me its not an issue? The morons behind the sadly, not uncommon racist comments and attitudes end up being protected by the likes of you, because by denying the problem exists you allow it to continue. Take your head out of the sand.
ramptonfromsouthamptYou ask me......The Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from?......My answer to that No, the fact that he is pretty useless is more to do with it, It may occur in your section of the crowd, there is nothing wrong with my hearing or the acoustics's in the ground.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:If you are telling me that you've never heard any racist comment towards our players, I'd say you appear to be suffering from a selective form of deafness. Perhaps in the exact spot where you are located there is an acoustic anomaly preventing certain words and phrases from finding their way into your ears? Sorry fellah, but do you honestly want me to believe that all of the Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from? Surely you're not that naive?
ramptonfromsouthamptI disagree with your comment regarding the colour of Guly's skin, I and many of the people I stand with in Itchen North block 2 and have never rated him, I've heard a few people boo him and they have been told to shut it, however I have never witnessed any form of racism directed at Guly from that section of the ground.
on wrote:
Dazzler79 wrote:And of course, you would have popped that easy one in yourself from four times the distance, blindfolded and with both arms tied behind your back. Personally I am getting more than bored with the ongoing anti-Guly sentiments here. And given the fact that I'm STILL hearing racist b****x from our own fans towards our own players at St Mary's, it wouldn't surprise me to find that most of the Guly haters are down on him purely for not being English. I'm not saying this applies to you Dazzler, and of course, you're entitled to an opinion the same as I am. But you can't tell me that it's purely a 'football matter' that there are people willing to slag him off. And as for being useless, I think you'll find he was one of the better players that turned out against Stoke. The fact that I was happy for him that he was in the starting 11 and not coming on as a sub to be booed by his OWN fans before he's even kicked a ball says a lot about what's wrong with a certain section of our support. And before any of the blue lot down the road pipe up, you'd do to have a good long look at yourselves too.
Guly can do know wrong for Adkins that's why he plays the useless idiot.
I blame him for missing a sitter and I also blame Davis for not stopping Upson goal.
Adkins is losing the plot with his baffling picking of team and post match interviews too.
I think you're trying to raise an issue that isn't there,,,my opinion of Guly's lack of ability has nothing to do with his colour or origin.
As for your accusation that I'm ignoring racism and condoning it and I protect racist, which are totally out of order, as you don't know me, although I don't have to justify myself to you, for your information, I have campaigned against racism in all walks of life for many years, I have worked for SFC in partnership with Southampton council to spread the Racism Just Isn't Saintly message/campaign many years ago, working within the Southampton community and in places such as school's colleges and in the workplace.
I suggest you think about your comments before you make accusations and accuse people of burying their heads in the sands and supporting racist.
st1halo
says...
2:12pm Mon 31 Dec 12
Suttonite wrote:Just to put the record straight Guly was the 4th or 5th highest in terms of distance covered on Saturday (nearly 9.5k) as it happened so without doubt he was not lazy and did put a shift in. Corky being top with well over 10k. He also supplid the cross for Rickie to score our first.
Some are unfortunate to lose their sight. Others choose to lose theirs. Guly probably runs more than most, is bigger and stronger in the tackle than others. He was most certainly one of the best players against Stoke. He invariably makes causes problems for opposition defences. He is not the calmest or smoothest of finishers. He was the right choice against the size and physicality of a Stoke side and showed it. However, his name is Guly, so from the boos before the game to the negative comments from some of the idiots on here who seem to think they run the site and represent the 'only' voice of Saints fans that should be listened to, Guly takes the blame. Open your eyes and and listen to the views of others who have perfectly valid opinions. .
On the other hand, he didn't help Luke in defending from the corner for their first and missed a sitter.
I'm with Warrens on this, he can't be relied on, sometimes he has flair, sometimes attitude, for me it's simple. He's a striker that doesn't strike!
STID
CB FRY LIVES
says...
2:15pm Mon 31 Dec 12
If guly had scored and made it 4-1 to the SAINTS stoke would have been dead and buried.his miss cost us 2 points.at the end of the season that could be the difference between survival and relegation.
As guly hasn't scored for the best part of a year Adkins should make sure he does extra shooting practice.
COYR
As guly hasn't scored for the best part of a year Adkins should make sure he does extra shooting practice.
COYR
ramptonfromsouthampton
says...
2:15pm Mon 31 Dec 12
Just A Voice wrote:Fair enough, I offer my apology to you for the implication that you condone racism in any shape or form. I do find it odd though, that for someone who is working in the community to help eradicate this ignorance, you should imply in turn that there isn't an issue at St Mary's with racist behaviour toward one of our players. I'm sorry if I upset you with my comments but as it goes, if you read back your reply to my comment on the original posting, it's quite easy to read it as this...
ramptonfromsouthamptI didn't say racism isn't an issue in football or in society in general, how dare suggest any different, you suggested that Guly is disliked by many Saints fans simply because of the colour of his skin and his country of origin, I said I'd never heard people saying that about him when I attend matches, I said it was more likely his inability to play football to a good standard as the reason people disliked him, also you never said anything about football in other countries or other clubs, which there is an appalling record of racial abuse.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:You've got to be joking if you think this is an 'issue that isn't there'. Wake up and smell the coffee mate. Racism in the game is STILL a problem and if you choose to ignore it then you might as well be condoning it. It's endemic and as another poster on this thread pointed out, it's not just at our place but throughout football and alive and kicking at every ground. I take it you did notice the uproar about the England U21's v Serbia? Terry v Ferdinand, Suarez and Evra... Even on the bloody pitch its a problem. And you want to tell me its not an issue? The morons behind the sadly, not uncommon racist comments and attitudes end up being protected by the likes of you, because by denying the problem exists you allow it to continue. Take your head out of the sand.
ramptonfromsouthamptYou ask me......The Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from?......My answer to that No, the fact that he is pretty useless is more to do with it, It may occur in your section of the crowd, there is nothing wrong with my hearing or the acoustics's in the ground.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:If you are telling me that you've never heard any racist comment towards our players, I'd say you appear to be suffering from a selective form of deafness. Perhaps in the exact spot where you are located there is an acoustic anomaly preventing certain words and phrases from finding their way into your ears? Sorry fellah, but do you honestly want me to believe that all of the Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from? Surely you're not that naive?
ramptonfromsouthamptI disagree with your comment regarding the colour of Guly's skin, I and many of the people I stand with in Itchen North block 2 and have never rated him, I've heard a few people boo him and they have been told to shut it, however I have never witnessed any form of racism directed at Guly from that section of the ground.
on wrote:
Dazzler79 wrote:And of course, you would have popped that easy one in yourself from four times the distance, blindfolded and with both arms tied behind your back. Personally I am getting more than bored with the ongoing anti-Guly sentiments here. And given the fact that I'm STILL hearing racist b****x from our own fans towards our own players at St Mary's, it wouldn't surprise me to find that most of the Guly haters are down on him purely for not being English. I'm not saying this applies to you Dazzler, and of course, you're entitled to an opinion the same as I am. But you can't tell me that it's purely a 'football matter' that there are people willing to slag him off. And as for being useless, I think you'll find he was one of the better players that turned out against Stoke. The fact that I was happy for him that he was in the starting 11 and not coming on as a sub to be booed by his OWN fans before he's even kicked a ball says a lot about what's wrong with a certain section of our support. And before any of the blue lot down the road pipe up, you'd do to have a good long look at yourselves too.
Guly can do know wrong for Adkins that's why he plays the useless idiot.
I blame him for missing a sitter and I also blame Davis for not stopping Upson goal.
Adkins is losing the plot with his baffling picking of team and post match interviews too.
I think you're trying to raise an issue that isn't there,,,my opinion of Guly's lack of ability has nothing to do with his colour or origin.
As for your accusation that I'm ignoring racism and condoning it and I protect racist, which are totally out of order, as you don't know me, although I don't have to justify myself to you, for your information, I have campaigned against racism in all walks of life for many years, I have worked for SFC in partnership with Southampton council to spread the Racism Just Isn't Saintly message/campaign many years ago, working within the Southampton community and in places such as school's colleges and in the workplace.
I suggest you think about your comments before you make accusations and accuse people of burying their heads in the sands and supporting racist.
1/ Denial that there is a problem.
2/ If I've not heard it then it doesn't exist.
For anyone reading the thread to that point, I'm sorry, but it came across as something akin to Arsene Wenger's eyesight - if I didn't see it then it didn't happen. Assuming you'll accept my apology, I'd like you to consider that my intentions are well meant and that perhaps you, as someone who is actively involved in 'Racism Ain't Saintly' should be aware more than most, of the actions of the few 'fans' who indulge in routinely abusing members of our team, and in consequence, should not be claiming that there is no issue about his skin colour or origin.
Meribelsaint
says...
2:16pm Mon 31 Dec 12
rocketone wrote:Ditto
Guly plays for Saints and the manager rates him.
Good enough for me!
OSPREYSAINT
says...
2:36pm Mon 31 Dec 12
Hero to zero, but that can change very quickly in the right circumstances.
st1halo
says...
2:47pm Mon 31 Dec 12
ramptonfromsouthamptYawn!
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:Fair enough, I offer my apology to you for the implication that you condone racism in any shape or form. I do find it odd though, that for someone who is working in the community to help eradicate this ignorance, you should imply in turn that there isn't an issue at St Mary's with racist behaviour toward one of our players. I'm sorry if I upset you with my comments but as it goes, if you read back your reply to my comment on the original posting, it's quite easy to read it as this...
ramptonfromsouthamptI didn't say racism isn't an issue in football or in society in general, how dare suggest any different, you suggested that Guly is disliked by many Saints fans simply because of the colour of his skin and his country of origin, I said I'd never heard people saying that about him when I attend matches, I said it was more likely his inability to play football to a good standard as the reason people disliked him, also you never said anything about football in other countries or other clubs, which there is an appalling record of racial abuse.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:You've got to be joking if you think this is an 'issue that isn't there'. Wake up and smell the coffee mate. Racism in the game is STILL a problem and if you choose to ignore it then you might as well be condoning it. It's endemic and as another poster on this thread pointed out, it's not just at our place but throughout football and alive and kicking at every ground. I take it you did notice the uproar about the England U21's v Serbia? Terry v Ferdinand, Suarez and Evra... Even on the bloody pitch its a problem. And you want to tell me its not an issue? The morons behind the sadly, not uncommon racist comments and attitudes end up being protected by the likes of you, because by denying the problem exists you allow it to continue. Take your head out of the sand.
ramptonfromsouthamptYou ask me......The Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from?......My answer to that No, the fact that he is pretty useless is more to do with it, It may occur in your section of the crowd, there is nothing wrong with my hearing or the acoustics's in the ground.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:If you are telling me that you've never heard any racist comment towards our players, I'd say you appear to be suffering from a selective form of deafness. Perhaps in the exact spot where you are located there is an acoustic anomaly preventing certain words and phrases from finding their way into your ears? Sorry fellah, but do you honestly want me to believe that all of the Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from? Surely you're not that naive?
ramptonfromsouthamptI disagree with your comment regarding the colour of Guly's skin, I and many of the people I stand with in Itchen North block 2 and have never rated him, I've heard a few people boo him and they have been told to shut it, however I have never witnessed any form of racism directed at Guly from that section of the ground.
on wrote:
Dazzler79 wrote:And of course, you would have popped that easy one in yourself from four times the distance, blindfolded and with both arms tied behind your back. Personally I am getting more than bored with the ongoing anti-Guly sentiments here. And given the fact that I'm STILL hearing racist b****x from our own fans towards our own players at St Mary's, it wouldn't surprise me to find that most of the Guly haters are down on him purely for not being English. I'm not saying this applies to you Dazzler, and of course, you're entitled to an opinion the same as I am. But you can't tell me that it's purely a 'football matter' that there are people willing to slag him off. And as for being useless, I think you'll find he was one of the better players that turned out against Stoke. The fact that I was happy for him that he was in the starting 11 and not coming on as a sub to be booed by his OWN fans before he's even kicked a ball says a lot about what's wrong with a certain section of our support. And before any of the blue lot down the road pipe up, you'd do to have a good long look at yourselves too.
Guly can do know wrong for Adkins that's why he plays the useless idiot.
I blame him for missing a sitter and I also blame Davis for not stopping Upson goal.
Adkins is losing the plot with his baffling picking of team and post match interviews too.
I think you're trying to raise an issue that isn't there,,,my opinion of Guly's lack of ability has nothing to do with his colour or origin.
As for your accusation that I'm ignoring racism and condoning it and I protect racist, which are totally out of order, as you don't know me, although I don't have to justify myself to you, for your information, I have campaigned against racism in all walks of life for many years, I have worked for SFC in partnership with Southampton council to spread the Racism Just Isn't Saintly message/campaign many years ago, working within the Southampton community and in places such as school's colleges and in the workplace.
I suggest you think about your comments before you make accusations and accuse people of burying their heads in the sands and supporting racist.
1/ Denial that there is a problem.
2/ If I've not heard it then it doesn't exist.
For anyone reading the thread to that point, I'm sorry, but it came across as something akin to Arsene Wenger's eyesight - if I didn't see it then it didn't happen. Assuming you'll accept my apology, I'd like you to consider that my intentions are well meant and that perhaps you, as someone who is actively involved in 'Racism Ain't Saintly' should be aware more than most, of the actions of the few 'fans' who indulge in routinely abusing members of our team, and in consequence, should not be claiming that there is no issue about his skin colour or origin.
Rising_Son
says...
3:10pm Mon 31 Dec 12
Greetings from 2013. And a happy new year to everyone (well almost everyone).
ramptonfromsouthampton
says...
3:22pm Mon 31 Dec 12
st1halo wrote:Gosh, you're clever aren't you 'Halo'? The witty riposte that you just added to this discussion must have taken you ages to think up. Really helpful, so thanks.
ramptonfromsouthamptYawn!
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:Fair enough, I offer my apology to you for the implication that you condone racism in any shape or form. I do find it odd though, that for someone who is working in the community to help eradicate this ignorance, you should imply in turn that there isn't an issue at St Mary's with racist behaviour toward one of our players. I'm sorry if I upset you with my comments but as it goes, if you read back your reply to my comment on the original posting, it's quite easy to read it as this...
ramptonfromsouthamptI didn't say racism isn't an issue in football or in society in general, how dare suggest any different, you suggested that Guly is disliked by many Saints fans simply because of the colour of his skin and his country of origin, I said I'd never heard people saying that about him when I attend matches, I said it was more likely his inability to play football to a good standard as the reason people disliked him, also you never said anything about football in other countries or other clubs, which there is an appalling record of racial abuse.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:You've got to be joking if you think this is an 'issue that isn't there'. Wake up and smell the coffee mate. Racism in the game is STILL a problem and if you choose to ignore it then you might as well be condoning it. It's endemic and as another poster on this thread pointed out, it's not just at our place but throughout football and alive and kicking at every ground. I take it you did notice the uproar about the England U21's v Serbia? Terry v Ferdinand, Suarez and Evra... Even on the bloody pitch its a problem. And you want to tell me its not an issue? The morons behind the sadly, not uncommon racist comments and attitudes end up being protected by the likes of you, because by denying the problem exists you allow it to continue. Take your head out of the sand.
ramptonfromsouthamptYou ask me......The Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from?......My answer to that No, the fact that he is pretty useless is more to do with it, It may occur in your section of the crowd, there is nothing wrong with my hearing or the acoustics's in the ground.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:If you are telling me that you've never heard any racist comment towards our players, I'd say you appear to be suffering from a selective form of deafness. Perhaps in the exact spot where you are located there is an acoustic anomaly preventing certain words and phrases from finding their way into your ears? Sorry fellah, but do you honestly want me to believe that all of the Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from? Surely you're not that naive?
ramptonfromsouthamptI disagree with your comment regarding the colour of Guly's skin, I and many of the people I stand with in Itchen North block 2 and have never rated him, I've heard a few people boo him and they have been told to shut it, however I have never witnessed any form of racism directed at Guly from that section of the ground.
on wrote:
Dazzler79 wrote:And of course, you would have popped that easy one in yourself from four times the distance, blindfolded and with both arms tied behind your back. Personally I am getting more than bored with the ongoing anti-Guly sentiments here. And given the fact that I'm STILL hearing racist b****x from our own fans towards our own players at St Mary's, it wouldn't surprise me to find that most of the Guly haters are down on him purely for not being English. I'm not saying this applies to you Dazzler, and of course, you're entitled to an opinion the same as I am. But you can't tell me that it's purely a 'football matter' that there are people willing to slag him off. And as for being useless, I think you'll find he was one of the better players that turned out against Stoke. The fact that I was happy for him that he was in the starting 11 and not coming on as a sub to be booed by his OWN fans before he's even kicked a ball says a lot about what's wrong with a certain section of our support. And before any of the blue lot down the road pipe up, you'd do to have a good long look at yourselves too.
Guly can do know wrong for Adkins that's why he plays the useless idiot.
I blame him for missing a sitter and I also blame Davis for not stopping Upson goal.
Adkins is losing the plot with his baffling picking of team and post match interviews too.
I think you're trying to raise an issue that isn't there,,,my opinion of Guly's lack of ability has nothing to do with his colour or origin.
As for your accusation that I'm ignoring racism and condoning it and I protect racist, which are totally out of order, as you don't know me, although I don't have to justify myself to you, for your information, I have campaigned against racism in all walks of life for many years, I have worked for SFC in partnership with Southampton council to spread the Racism Just Isn't Saintly message/campaign many years ago, working within the Southampton community and in places such as school's colleges and in the workplace.
I suggest you think about your comments before you make accusations and accuse people of burying their heads in the sands and supporting racist.
1/ Denial that there is a problem.
2/ If I've not heard it then it doesn't exist.
For anyone reading the thread to that point, I'm sorry, but it came across as something akin to Arsene Wenger's eyesight - if I didn't see it then it didn't happen. Assuming you'll accept my apology, I'd like you to consider that my intentions are well meant and that perhaps you, as someone who is actively involved in 'Racism Ain't Saintly' should be aware more than most, of the actions of the few 'fans' who indulge in routinely abusing members of our team, and in consequence, should not be claiming that there is no issue about his skin colour or origin.
warrens 76
says...
3:24pm Mon 31 Dec 12
montecristosaint wrote:I am not fickle and I will not boo him BUT I stand by the fact he never gets us out of trouble and bottles it when he should score...no excuses it's too many times.
SFCOLDBOY wrote:To be fair its not exactly an open goal situation in fact I submit most would not have had the ability to get a shot off in that situation.
warrens 76 wrote:No you were not alone.
By the way was I the only one who KNEW that we would regret that missed opportunity to go 1-4 up...I knew it and within what a minute there it was...2-3 and we were in trouble...
It was an absolute.
As I climbed back off the ceiling after listening to Guly's open goal miss,i said to er- indoors we will concede, now just wait.
Unfortunately prooved right one minute later.
Watched Saints for 50 years they always do it don't they.
Dont you love em.
COYR
I dont know what it is with some Saints fans perhaps they just dont appreciate Brazilian flair players.
Personally I love watching play he is very clever on the ball and always a threat.
if he had scored instead of missing you would all have been singing his praises.
Fickle bunch some of you.
warrens 76
says...
3:28pm Mon 31 Dec 12
saintlysoul wrote:Racism had virtually gone away until the media stir it all up again...the odd comment is sweet FA to how it used to be....yet it just gets blown out of all proportion...look what would you take being called whitey or losing a leg in Afghanistan and yet the former can get more compensation....lets just ignore it and move on...
ramptonfromsouthamptThis is a very insightful post. No matter what the Government say or do about trying to eradicate racism it is very much alive and kicking in our society. Moreover the paradox in football is that despite the publicity, the tannoy announcements at grounds indicating they will not tolerate racism, the 'say no to racism' campaigns advertised by the players wearing pre-match tee shirts and the managers wearing badges it's there to be seen and heard at nearly every match and those who should be monitoring it turn a blind in my experience!!!!
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:You've got to be joking if you think this is an 'issue that isn't there'. Wake up and smell the coffee mate. Racism in the game is STILL a problem and if you choose to ignore it then you might as well be condoning it. It's endemic and as another poster on this thread pointed out, it's not just at our place but throughout football and alive and kicking at every ground. I take it you did notice the uproar about the England U21's v Serbia? Terry v Ferdinand, Suarez and Evra... Even on the bloody pitch its a problem. And you want to tell me its not an issue? The morons behind the sadly, not uncommon racist comments and attitudes end up being protected by the likes of you, because by denying the problem exists you allow it to continue. Take your head out of the sand.
ramptonfromsouthamptYou ask me......The Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from?......My answer to that No, the fact that he is pretty useless is more to do with it, It may occur in your section of the crowd, there is nothing wrong with my hearing or the acoustics's in the ground.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:If you are telling me that you've never heard any racist comment towards our players, I'd say you appear to be suffering from a selective form of deafness. Perhaps in the exact spot where you are located there is an acoustic anomaly preventing certain words and phrases from finding their way into your ears? Sorry fellah, but do you honestly want me to believe that all of the Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from? Surely you're not that naive?
ramptonfromsouthamptI disagree with your comment regarding the colour of Guly's skin, I and many of the people I stand with in Itchen North block 2 and have never rated him, I've heard a few people boo him and they have been told to shut it, however I have never witnessed any form of racism directed at Guly from that section of the ground.
on wrote:
Dazzler79 wrote:And of course, you would have popped that easy one in yourself from four times the distance, blindfolded and with both arms tied behind your back. Personally I am getting more than bored with the ongoing anti-Guly sentiments here. And given the fact that I'm STILL hearing racist b****x from our own fans towards our own players at St Mary's, it wouldn't surprise me to find that most of the Guly haters are down on him purely for not being English. I'm not saying this applies to you Dazzler, and of course, you're entitled to an opinion the same as I am. But you can't tell me that it's purely a 'football matter' that there are people willing to slag him off. And as for being useless, I think you'll find he was one of the better players that turned out against Stoke. The fact that I was happy for him that he was in the starting 11 and not coming on as a sub to be booed by his OWN fans before he's even kicked a ball says a lot about what's wrong with a certain section of our support. And before any of the blue lot down the road pipe up, you'd do to have a good long look at yourselves too.
Guly can do know wrong for Adkins that's why he plays the useless idiot.
I blame him for missing a sitter and I also blame Davis for not stopping Upson goal.
Adkins is losing the plot with his baffling picking of team and post match interviews too.
I think you're trying to raise an issue that isn't there,,,my opinion of Guly's lack of ability has nothing to do with his colour or origin.
As Morgan Freeman says stop talking about black and white and it will go away.
aldermoorboy
says...
3:33pm Mon 31 Dec 12
Saints result at Stoke, great.
Guly is a good player.
Saints now have a good enough squad to stay up.
We will get a result against Arsenal.
Nigel is a great manager, ten more years with Saints.
Guly is a good player.
Saints now have a good enough squad to stay up.
We will get a result against Arsenal.
Nigel is a great manager, ten more years with Saints.
warrens 76
says...
4:03pm Mon 31 Dec 12
aldermoorboy wrote:The result was not good, they had lost their two best defenders to suspension...we were 3-1 up..
Saints result at Stoke, great.
Guly is a good player.
Saints now have a good enough squad to stay up.
We will get a result against Arsenal.
Nigel is a great manager, ten more years with Saints.
Guly is a good player but never produces when you really need it..Pmuff last year to Stoke he misses time and time again...
Squad gets it's mind right yes, however we keep failing to take our chances and we will go down...defence will not keep us up, scoring when we should will.
We will not get a result with Arsenal.
Nigel is learning and will be a great manager and hopefully with us.
warrens 76
says...
4:07pm Mon 31 Dec 12
Hobson82 wrote:Hobson, I have posted my core reservations on Guly not based on Stoke which because he tried some posters thinks means everything is rosy....
I'm on the fence where Guly is concerned, but I don't think it's fair to blame him, taking away the open goal he missed he was probably one of our best players on Saturday.
It's all swings and round abouts, Kenwyne Jones missed a glorious chance from about 2 yards early on. They probably should have had a penalty for a handball on Fonte, so I still think it was a good result. A result I would have taken before the game.
...it is not because time and time again when his quality should make the difference he blows it and lets us down...
This is not an opinion formed on one game ffs it is what I have seen for a year...
I would love Guly to be our hero, I want his name sung from the rafters, why, because then he will be producing and all I want is for us to win and him to step up to the plate a la old Frank Lampard.
st1halo
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4:17pm Mon 31 Dec 12
ramptonfromsouthamptNo problem!
on wrote:
st1halo wrote:Gosh, you're clever aren't you 'Halo'? The witty riposte that you just added to this discussion must have taken you ages to think up. Really helpful, so thanks.
ramptonfromsouthamptYawn!
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:Fair enough, I offer my apology to you for the implication that you condone racism in any shape or form. I do find it odd though, that for someone who is working in the community to help eradicate this ignorance, you should imply in turn that there isn't an issue at St Mary's with racist behaviour toward one of our players. I'm sorry if I upset you with my comments but as it goes, if you read back your reply to my comment on the original posting, it's quite easy to read it as this...
ramptonfromsouthamptI didn't say racism isn't an issue in football or in society in general, how dare suggest any different, you suggested that Guly is disliked by many Saints fans simply because of the colour of his skin and his country of origin, I said I'd never heard people saying that about him when I attend matches, I said it was more likely his inability to play football to a good standard as the reason people disliked him, also you never said anything about football in other countries or other clubs, which there is an appalling record of racial abuse.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:You've got to be joking if you think this is an 'issue that isn't there'. Wake up and smell the coffee mate. Racism in the game is STILL a problem and if you choose to ignore it then you might as well be condoning it. It's endemic and as another poster on this thread pointed out, it's not just at our place but throughout football and alive and kicking at every ground. I take it you did notice the uproar about the England U21's v Serbia? Terry v Ferdinand, Suarez and Evra... Even on the bloody pitch its a problem. And you want to tell me its not an issue? The morons behind the sadly, not uncommon racist comments and attitudes end up being protected by the likes of you, because by denying the problem exists you allow it to continue. Take your head out of the sand.
ramptonfromsouthamptYou ask me......The Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from?......My answer to that No, the fact that he is pretty useless is more to do with it, It may occur in your section of the crowd, there is nothing wrong with my hearing or the acoustics's in the ground.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:If you are telling me that you've never heard any racist comment towards our players, I'd say you appear to be suffering from a selective form of deafness. Perhaps in the exact spot where you are located there is an acoustic anomaly preventing certain words and phrases from finding their way into your ears? Sorry fellah, but do you honestly want me to believe that all of the Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from? Surely you're not that naive?
ramptonfromsouthamptI disagree with your comment regarding the colour of Guly's skin, I and many of the people I stand with in Itchen North block 2 and have never rated him, I've heard a few people boo him and they have been told to shut it, however I have never witnessed any form of racism directed at Guly from that section of the ground.
on wrote:
Dazzler79 wrote:And of course, you would have popped that easy one in yourself from four times the distance, blindfolded and with both arms tied behind your back. Personally I am getting more than bored with the ongoing anti-Guly sentiments here. And given the fact that I'm STILL hearing racist b****x from our own fans towards our own players at St Mary's, it wouldn't surprise me to find that most of the Guly haters are down on him purely for not being English. I'm not saying this applies to you Dazzler, and of course, you're entitled to an opinion the same as I am. But you can't tell me that it's purely a 'football matter' that there are people willing to slag him off. And as for being useless, I think you'll find he was one of the better players that turned out against Stoke. The fact that I was happy for him that he was in the starting 11 and not coming on as a sub to be booed by his OWN fans before he's even kicked a ball says a lot about what's wrong with a certain section of our support. And before any of the blue lot down the road pipe up, you'd do to have a good long look at yourselves too.
Guly can do know wrong for Adkins that's why he plays the useless idiot.
I blame him for missing a sitter and I also blame Davis for not stopping Upson goal.
Adkins is losing the plot with his baffling picking of team and post match interviews too.
I think you're trying to raise an issue that isn't there,,,my opinion of Guly's lack of ability has nothing to do with his colour or origin.
As for your accusation that I'm ignoring racism and condoning it and I protect racist, which are totally out of order, as you don't know me, although I don't have to justify myself to you, for your information, I have campaigned against racism in all walks of life for many years, I have worked for SFC in partnership with Southampton council to spread the Racism Just Isn't Saintly message/campaign many years ago, working within the Southampton community and in places such as school's colleges and in the workplace.
I suggest you think about your comments before you make accusations and accuse people of burying their heads in the sands and supporting racist.
1/ Denial that there is a problem.
2/ If I've not heard it then it doesn't exist.
For anyone reading the thread to that point, I'm sorry, but it came across as something akin to Arsene Wenger's eyesight - if I didn't see it then it didn't happen. Assuming you'll accept my apology, I'd like you to consider that my intentions are well meant and that perhaps you, as someone who is actively involved in 'Racism Ain't Saintly' should be aware more than most, of the actions of the few 'fans' who indulge in routinely abusing members of our team, and in consequence, should not be claiming that there is no issue about his skin colour or origin.
It is higly unlikely that people go to the ground with a political or anti-racial purpose, more likely that they use the first obvious objectifying feature that comes to mind, human nature I'm afraid. Whilst not condoning it or excusing it, I refuse to accept that the offenders go with a racist purpose in mind and therefore your assertion that Guly gets booed because he is not English. The "yawn" is in response to people like you who like to bring political issues to absolutely everything even when there is no evidence to do so. Hope that is "clever" enough for you.
ramptonfromsouthampton
says...
4:30pm Mon 31 Dec 12
warrens 76 wrote:If only it was that simple. Truth is it ain't. And racism as you point out isn't just one way either. For the record, just ignoring something won't make it go away. To effect any kind of change in anything - turning a recently promoted football team into one that can survive and succeed in the Premier League for example - requires an effort of some sort. If some people think it's boring (yes st1halo, aimed at you) trying to make a change for the better then that just shows how much work there still is to be done.
saintlysoul wrote:Racism had virtually gone away until the media stir it all up again...the odd comment is sweet FA to how it used to be....yet it just gets blown out of all proportion...look what would you take being called whitey or losing a leg in Afghanistan and yet the former can get more compensation....lets just ignore it and move on...
ramptonfromsouthamptThis is a very insightful post. No matter what the Government say or do about trying to eradicate racism it is very much alive and kicking in our society. Moreover the paradox in football is that despite the publicity, the tannoy announcements at grounds indicating they will not tolerate racism, the 'say no to racism' campaigns advertised by the players wearing pre-match tee shirts and the managers wearing badges it's there to be seen and heard at nearly every match and those who should be monitoring it turn a blind in my experience!!!!
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:You've got to be joking if you think this is an 'issue that isn't there'. Wake up and smell the coffee mate. Racism in the game is STILL a problem and if you choose to ignore it then you might as well be condoning it. It's endemic and as another poster on this thread pointed out, it's not just at our place but throughout football and alive and kicking at every ground. I take it you did notice the uproar about the England U21's v Serbia? Terry v Ferdinand, Suarez and Evra... Even on the bloody pitch its a problem. And you want to tell me its not an issue? The morons behind the sadly, not uncommon racist comments and attitudes end up being protected by the likes of you, because by denying the problem exists you allow it to continue. Take your head out of the sand.
ramptonfromsouthamptYou ask me......The Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from?......My answer to that No, the fact that he is pretty useless is more to do with it, It may occur in your section of the crowd, there is nothing wrong with my hearing or the acoustics's in the ground.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:If you are telling me that you've never heard any racist comment towards our players, I'd say you appear to be suffering from a selective form of deafness. Perhaps in the exact spot where you are located there is an acoustic anomaly preventing certain words and phrases from finding their way into your ears? Sorry fellah, but do you honestly want me to believe that all of the Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from? Surely you're not that naive?
ramptonfromsouthamptI disagree with your comment regarding the colour of Guly's skin, I and many of the people I stand with in Itchen North block 2 and have never rated him, I've heard a few people boo him and they have been told to shut it, however I have never witnessed any form of racism directed at Guly from that section of the ground.
on wrote:
Dazzler79 wrote:And of course, you would have popped that easy one in yourself from four times the distance, blindfolded and with both arms tied behind your back. Personally I am getting more than bored with the ongoing anti-Guly sentiments here. And given the fact that I'm STILL hearing racist b****x from our own fans towards our own players at St Mary's, it wouldn't surprise me to find that most of the Guly haters are down on him purely for not being English. I'm not saying this applies to you Dazzler, and of course, you're entitled to an opinion the same as I am. But you can't tell me that it's purely a 'football matter' that there are people willing to slag him off. And as for being useless, I think you'll find he was one of the better players that turned out against Stoke. The fact that I was happy for him that he was in the starting 11 and not coming on as a sub to be booed by his OWN fans before he's even kicked a ball says a lot about what's wrong with a certain section of our support. And before any of the blue lot down the road pipe up, you'd do to have a good long look at yourselves too.
Guly can do know wrong for Adkins that's why he plays the useless idiot.
I blame him for missing a sitter and I also blame Davis for not stopping Upson goal.
Adkins is losing the plot with his baffling picking of team and post match interviews too.
I think you're trying to raise an issue that isn't there,,,my opinion of Guly's lack of ability has nothing to do with his colour or origin.
As Morgan Freeman says stop talking about black and white and it will go away.
David Crook
says...
4:51pm Mon 31 Dec 12
warrens 76 wrote:The fact is thar Guly is not good enough,I have seen him many times and seeing him playing at Stoke City is the last straw for me,he should be transfer listed
saintlysoul wrote:Racism had virtually gone away until the media stir it all up again...the odd comment is sweet FA to how it used to be....yet it just gets blown out of all proportion...look what would you take being called whitey or losing a leg in Afghanistan and yet the former can get more compensation....lets just ignore it and move on...
ramptonfromsouthamptThis is a very insightful post. No matter what the Government say or do about trying to eradicate racism it is very much alive and kicking in our society. Moreover the paradox in football is that despite the publicity, the tannoy announcements at grounds indicating they will not tolerate racism, the 'say no to racism' campaigns advertised by the players wearing pre-match tee shirts and the managers wearing badges it's there to be seen and heard at nearly every match and those who should be monitoring it turn a blind in my experience!!!!
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:You've got to be joking if you think this is an 'issue that isn't there'. Wake up and smell the coffee mate. Racism in the game is STILL a problem and if you choose to ignore it then you might as well be condoning it. It's endemic and as another poster on this thread pointed out, it's not just at our place but throughout football and alive and kicking at every ground. I take it you did notice the uproar about the England U21's v Serbia? Terry v Ferdinand, Suarez and Evra... Even on the bloody pitch its a problem. And you want to tell me its not an issue? The morons behind the sadly, not uncommon racist comments and attitudes end up being protected by the likes of you, because by denying the problem exists you allow it to continue. Take your head out of the sand.
ramptonfromsouthamptYou ask me......The Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from?......My answer to that No, the fact that he is pretty useless is more to do with it, It may occur in your section of the crowd, there is nothing wrong with my hearing or the acoustics's in the ground.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:If you are telling me that you've never heard any racist comment towards our players, I'd say you appear to be suffering from a selective form of deafness. Perhaps in the exact spot where you are located there is an acoustic anomaly preventing certain words and phrases from finding their way into your ears? Sorry fellah, but do you honestly want me to believe that all of the Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from? Surely you're not that naive?
ramptonfromsouthamptI disagree with your comment regarding the colour of Guly's skin, I and many of the people I stand with in Itchen North block 2 and have never rated him, I've heard a few people boo him and they have been told to shut it, however I have never witnessed any form of racism directed at Guly from that section of the ground.
on wrote:
Dazzler79 wrote:And of course, you would have popped that easy one in yourself from four times the distance, blindfolded and with both arms tied behind your back. Personally I am getting more than bored with the ongoing anti-Guly sentiments here. And given the fact that I'm STILL hearing racist b****x from our own fans towards our own players at St Mary's, it wouldn't surprise me to find that most of the Guly haters are down on him purely for not being English. I'm not saying this applies to you Dazzler, and of course, you're entitled to an opinion the same as I am. But you can't tell me that it's purely a 'football matter' that there are people willing to slag him off. And as for being useless, I think you'll find he was one of the better players that turned out against Stoke. The fact that I was happy for him that he was in the starting 11 and not coming on as a sub to be booed by his OWN fans before he's even kicked a ball says a lot about what's wrong with a certain section of our support. And before any of the blue lot down the road pipe up, you'd do to have a good long look at yourselves too.
Guly can do know wrong for Adkins that's why he plays the useless idiot.
I blame him for missing a sitter and I also blame Davis for not stopping Upson goal.
Adkins is losing the plot with his baffling picking of team and post match interviews too.
I think you're trying to raise an issue that isn't there,,,my opinion of Guly's lack of ability has nothing to do with his colour or origin.
As Morgan Freeman says stop talking about black and white and it will go away.
ramptonfromsouthampton
says...
4:59pm Mon 31 Dec 12
st1halo wrote:Thanks for demonstrating again that despite your obvious command of the English language, you are able to act like an idiot. As it goes, this has got f*** all to do with politicising anything. This is me commenting on something that is already a major issue in the game, so it specifically has relevance. As for no evidence, I will have to assume that you are another fortunate that has been spared having to listen to embarassing Neanderthals wearing our club's colours spouting all kinds of puerile bigotry. And since when is the subject of racism just a matter for politics? It's a social issue and one that's obviously uncomfortable for some judging by reaction.
ramptonfromsouthamptNo problem!
on wrote:
st1halo wrote:Gosh, you're clever aren't you 'Halo'? The witty riposte that you just added to this discussion must have taken you ages to think up. Really helpful, so thanks.
ramptonfromsouthamptYawn!
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:Fair enough, I offer my apology to you for the implication that you condone racism in any shape or form. I do find it odd though, that for someone who is working in the community to help eradicate this ignorance, you should imply in turn that there isn't an issue at St Mary's with racist behaviour toward one of our players. I'm sorry if I upset you with my comments but as it goes, if you read back your reply to my comment on the original posting, it's quite easy to read it as this...
ramptonfromsouthamptI didn't say racism isn't an issue in football or in society in general, how dare suggest any different, you suggested that Guly is disliked by many Saints fans simply because of the colour of his skin and his country of origin, I said I'd never heard people saying that about him when I attend matches, I said it was more likely his inability to play football to a good standard as the reason people disliked him, also you never said anything about football in other countries or other clubs, which there is an appalling record of racial abuse.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:You've got to be joking if you think this is an 'issue that isn't there'. Wake up and smell the coffee mate. Racism in the game is STILL a problem and if you choose to ignore it then you might as well be condoning it. It's endemic and as another poster on this thread pointed out, it's not just at our place but throughout football and alive and kicking at every ground. I take it you did notice the uproar about the England U21's v Serbia? Terry v Ferdinand, Suarez and Evra... Even on the bloody pitch its a problem. And you want to tell me its not an issue? The morons behind the sadly, not uncommon racist comments and attitudes end up being protected by the likes of you, because by denying the problem exists you allow it to continue. Take your head out of the sand.
ramptonfromsouthamptYou ask me......The Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from?......My answer to that No, the fact that he is pretty useless is more to do with it, It may occur in your section of the crowd, there is nothing wrong with my hearing or the acoustics's in the ground.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:If you are telling me that you've never heard any racist comment towards our players, I'd say you appear to be suffering from a selective form of deafness. Perhaps in the exact spot where you are located there is an acoustic anomaly preventing certain words and phrases from finding their way into your ears? Sorry fellah, but do you honestly want me to believe that all of the Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from? Surely you're not that naive?
ramptonfromsouthamptI disagree with your comment regarding the colour of Guly's skin, I and many of the people I stand with in Itchen North block 2 and have never rated him, I've heard a few people boo him and they have been told to shut it, however I have never witnessed any form of racism directed at Guly from that section of the ground.
on wrote:
Dazzler79 wrote:And of course, you would have popped that easy one in yourself from four times the distance, blindfolded and with both arms tied behind your back. Personally I am getting more than bored with the ongoing anti-Guly sentiments here. And given the fact that I'm STILL hearing racist b****x from our own fans towards our own players at St Mary's, it wouldn't surprise me to find that most of the Guly haters are down on him purely for not being English. I'm not saying this applies to you Dazzler, and of course, you're entitled to an opinion the same as I am. But you can't tell me that it's purely a 'football matter' that there are people willing to slag him off. And as for being useless, I think you'll find he was one of the better players that turned out against Stoke. The fact that I was happy for him that he was in the starting 11 and not coming on as a sub to be booed by his OWN fans before he's even kicked a ball says a lot about what's wrong with a certain section of our support. And before any of the blue lot down the road pipe up, you'd do to have a good long look at yourselves too.
Guly can do know wrong for Adkins that's why he plays the useless idiot.
I blame him for missing a sitter and I also blame Davis for not stopping Upson goal.
Adkins is losing the plot with his baffling picking of team and post match interviews too.
I think you're trying to raise an issue that isn't there,,,my opinion of Guly's lack of ability has nothing to do with his colour or origin.
As for your accusation that I'm ignoring racism and condoning it and I protect racist, which are totally out of order, as you don't know me, although I don't have to justify myself to you, for your information, I have campaigned against racism in all walks of life for many years, I have worked for SFC in partnership with Southampton council to spread the Racism Just Isn't Saintly message/campaign many years ago, working within the Southampton community and in places such as school's colleges and in the workplace.
I suggest you think about your comments before you make accusations and accuse people of burying their heads in the sands and supporting racist.
1/ Denial that there is a problem.
2/ If I've not heard it then it doesn't exist.
For anyone reading the thread to that point, I'm sorry, but it came across as something akin to Arsene Wenger's eyesight - if I didn't see it then it didn't happen. Assuming you'll accept my apology, I'd like you to consider that my intentions are well meant and that perhaps you, as someone who is actively involved in 'Racism Ain't Saintly' should be aware more than most, of the actions of the few 'fans' who indulge in routinely abusing members of our team, and in consequence, should not be claiming that there is no issue about his skin colour or origin.
It is higly unlikely that people go to the ground with a political or anti-racial purpose, more likely that they use the first obvious objectifying feature that comes to mind, human nature I'm afraid. Whilst not condoning it or excusing it, I refuse to accept that the offenders go with a racist purpose in mind and therefore your assertion that Guly gets booed because he is not English. The "yawn" is in response to people like you who like to bring political issues to absolutely everything even when there is no evidence to do so. Hope that is "clever" enough for you.
Just A Voice
says...
5:09pm Mon 31 Dec 12
ramptonfromsouthamptApology accepted,
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:Fair enough, I offer my apology to you for the implication that you condone racism in any shape or form. I do find it odd though, that for someone who is working in the community to help eradicate this ignorance, you should imply in turn that there isn't an issue at St Mary's with racist behaviour toward one of our players. I'm sorry if I upset you with my comments but as it goes, if you read back your reply to my comment on the original posting, it's quite easy to read it as this...
ramptonfromsouthamptI didn't say racism isn't an issue in football or in society in general, how dare suggest any different, you suggested that Guly is disliked by many Saints fans simply because of the colour of his skin and his country of origin, I said I'd never heard people saying that about him when I attend matches, I said it was more likely his inability to play football to a good standard as the reason people disliked him, also you never said anything about football in other countries or other clubs, which there is an appalling record of racial abuse.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:You've got to be joking if you think this is an 'issue that isn't there'. Wake up and smell the coffee mate. Racism in the game is STILL a problem and if you choose to ignore it then you might as well be condoning it. It's endemic and as another poster on this thread pointed out, it's not just at our place but throughout football and alive and kicking at every ground. I take it you did notice the uproar about the England U21's v Serbia? Terry v Ferdinand, Suarez and Evra... Even on the bloody pitch its a problem. And you want to tell me its not an issue? The morons behind the sadly, not uncommon racist comments and attitudes end up being protected by the likes of you, because by denying the problem exists you allow it to continue. Take your head out of the sand.
ramptonfromsouthamptYou ask me......The Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from?......My answer to that No, the fact that he is pretty useless is more to do with it, It may occur in your section of the crowd, there is nothing wrong with my hearing or the acoustics's in the ground.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:If you are telling me that you've never heard any racist comment towards our players, I'd say you appear to be suffering from a selective form of deafness. Perhaps in the exact spot where you are located there is an acoustic anomaly preventing certain words and phrases from finding their way into your ears? Sorry fellah, but do you honestly want me to believe that all of the Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from? Surely you're not that naive?
ramptonfromsouthamptI disagree with your comment regarding the colour of Guly's skin, I and many of the people I stand with in Itchen North block 2 and have never rated him, I've heard a few people boo him and they have been told to shut it, however I have never witnessed any form of racism directed at Guly from that section of the ground.
on wrote:
Dazzler79 wrote:And of course, you would have popped that easy one in yourself from four times the distance, blindfolded and with both arms tied behind your back. Personally I am getting more than bored with the ongoing anti-Guly sentiments here. And given the fact that I'm STILL hearing racist b****x from our own fans towards our own players at St Mary's, it wouldn't surprise me to find that most of the Guly haters are down on him purely for not being English. I'm not saying this applies to you Dazzler, and of course, you're entitled to an opinion the same as I am. But you can't tell me that it's purely a 'football matter' that there are people willing to slag him off. And as for being useless, I think you'll find he was one of the better players that turned out against Stoke. The fact that I was happy for him that he was in the starting 11 and not coming on as a sub to be booed by his OWN fans before he's even kicked a ball says a lot about what's wrong with a certain section of our support. And before any of the blue lot down the road pipe up, you'd do to have a good long look at yourselves too.
Guly can do know wrong for Adkins that's why he plays the useless idiot.
I blame him for missing a sitter and I also blame Davis for not stopping Upson goal.
Adkins is losing the plot with his baffling picking of team and post match interviews too.
I think you're trying to raise an issue that isn't there,,,my opinion of Guly's lack of ability has nothing to do with his colour or origin.
As for your accusation that I'm ignoring racism and condoning it and I protect racist, which are totally out of order, as you don't know me, although I don't have to justify myself to you, for your information, I have campaigned against racism in all walks of life for many years, I have worked for SFC in partnership with Southampton council to spread the Racism Just Isn't Saintly message/campaign many years ago, working within the Southampton community and in places such as school's colleges and in the workplace.
I suggest you think about your comments before you make accusations and accuse people of burying their heads in the sands and supporting racist.
1/ Denial that there is a problem.
2/ If I've not heard it then it doesn't exist.
For anyone reading the thread to that point, I'm sorry, but it came across as something akin to Arsene Wenger's eyesight - if I didn't see it then it didn't happen. Assuming you'll accept my apology, I'd like you to consider that my intentions are well meant and that perhaps you, as someone who is actively involved in 'Racism Ain't Saintly' should be aware more than most, of the actions of the few 'fans' who indulge in routinely abusing members of our team, and in consequence, should not be claiming that there is no issue about his skin colour or origin.
I never once said it didn't happen, I said I'd not heard in the section I stand/sit in @SMS, I never denied once it happened, (as other posters have said they've heard it) I have no doubt mindless idiots do abuse our or opposing teams players just for the colour of their skin, racism has no place at football or in a civilised society.
The anti-racism message should be enforced with a zero tolerance policy at any football stadium, racist comments is punishable in the courts of law, however not as often as I'd like.
UEFA didn't punish the Serbian FA enough in my book, if anyone is in denial regarding racism in football its them and FIFA
warrens 76
says...
5:11pm Mon 31 Dec 12
ramptonfromsouthamptIt is only a major issiue when pc sensitive individuals make it so...
on wrote:
st1halo wrote:Thanks for demonstrating again that despite your obvious command of the English language, you are able to act like an idiot. As it goes, this has got f*** all to do with politicising anything. This is me commenting on something that is already a major issue in the game, so it specifically has relevance. As for no evidence, I will have to assume that you are another fortunate that has been spared having to listen to embarassing Neanderthals wearing our club's colours spouting all kinds of puerile bigotry. And since when is the subject of racism just a matter for politics? It's a social issue and one that's obviously uncomfortable for some judging by reaction.
ramptonfromsouthamptNo problem!
on wrote:
st1halo wrote:Gosh, you're clever aren't you 'Halo'? The witty riposte that you just added to this discussion must have taken you ages to think up. Really helpful, so thanks.
ramptonfromsouthamptYawn!
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:Fair enough, I offer my apology to you for the implication that you condone racism in any shape or form. I do find it odd though, that for someone who is working in the community to help eradicate this ignorance, you should imply in turn that there isn't an issue at St Mary's with racist behaviour toward one of our players. I'm sorry if I upset you with my comments but as it goes, if you read back your reply to my comment on the original posting, it's quite easy to read it as this...
ramptonfromsouthamptI didn't say racism isn't an issue in football or in society in general, how dare suggest any different, you suggested that Guly is disliked by many Saints fans simply because of the colour of his skin and his country of origin, I said I'd never heard people saying that about him when I attend matches, I said it was more likely his inability to play football to a good standard as the reason people disliked him, also you never said anything about football in other countries or other clubs, which there is an appalling record of racial abuse.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:You've got to be joking if you think this is an 'issue that isn't there'. Wake up and smell the coffee mate. Racism in the game is STILL a problem and if you choose to ignore it then you might as well be condoning it. It's endemic and as another poster on this thread pointed out, it's not just at our place but throughout football and alive and kicking at every ground. I take it you did notice the uproar about the England U21's v Serbia? Terry v Ferdinand, Suarez and Evra... Even on the bloody pitch its a problem. And you want to tell me its not an issue? The morons behind the sadly, not uncommon racist comments and attitudes end up being protected by the likes of you, because by denying the problem exists you allow it to continue. Take your head out of the sand.
ramptonfromsouthamptYou ask me......The Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from?......My answer to that No, the fact that he is pretty useless is more to do with it, It may occur in your section of the crowd, there is nothing wrong with my hearing or the acoustics's in the ground.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:If you are telling me that you've never heard any racist comment towards our players, I'd say you appear to be suffering from a selective form of deafness. Perhaps in the exact spot where you are located there is an acoustic anomaly preventing certain words and phrases from finding their way into your ears? Sorry fellah, but do you honestly want me to believe that all of the Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from? Surely you're not that naive?
ramptonfromsouthamptI disagree with your comment regarding the colour of Guly's skin, I and many of the people I stand with in Itchen North block 2 and have never rated him, I've heard a few people boo him and they have been told to shut it, however I have never witnessed any form of racism directed at Guly from that section of the ground.
on wrote:
Dazzler79 wrote:And of course, you would have popped that easy one in yourself from four times the distance, blindfolded and with both arms tied behind your back. Personally I am getting more than bored with the ongoing anti-Guly sentiments here. And given the fact that I'm STILL hearing racist b****x from our own fans towards our own players at St Mary's, it wouldn't surprise me to find that most of the Guly haters are down on him purely for not being English. I'm not saying this applies to you Dazzler, and of course, you're entitled to an opinion the same as I am. But you can't tell me that it's purely a 'football matter' that there are people willing to slag him off. And as for being useless, I think you'll find he was one of the better players that turned out against Stoke. The fact that I was happy for him that he was in the starting 11 and not coming on as a sub to be booed by his OWN fans before he's even kicked a ball says a lot about what's wrong with a certain section of our support. And before any of the blue lot down the road pipe up, you'd do to have a good long look at yourselves too.
Guly can do know wrong for Adkins that's why he plays the useless idiot.
I blame him for missing a sitter and I also blame Davis for not stopping Upson goal.
Adkins is losing the plot with his baffling picking of team and post match interviews too.
I think you're trying to raise an issue that isn't there,,,my opinion of Guly's lack of ability has nothing to do with his colour or origin.
As for your accusation that I'm ignoring racism and condoning it and I protect racist, which are totally out of order, as you don't know me, although I don't have to justify myself to you, for your information, I have campaigned against racism in all walks of life for many years, I have worked for SFC in partnership with Southampton council to spread the Racism Just Isn't Saintly message/campaign many years ago, working within the Southampton community and in places such as school's colleges and in the workplace.
I suggest you think about your comments before you make accusations and accuse people of burying their heads in the sands and supporting racist.
1/ Denial that there is a problem.
2/ If I've not heard it then it doesn't exist.
For anyone reading the thread to that point, I'm sorry, but it came across as something akin to Arsene Wenger's eyesight - if I didn't see it then it didn't happen. Assuming you'll accept my apology, I'd like you to consider that my intentions are well meant and that perhaps you, as someone who is actively involved in 'Racism Ain't Saintly' should be aware more than most, of the actions of the few 'fans' who indulge in routinely abusing members of our team, and in consequence, should not be claiming that there is no issue about his skin colour or origin.
It is higly unlikely that people go to the ground with a political or anti-racial purpose, more likely that they use the first obvious objectifying feature that comes to mind, human nature I'm afraid. Whilst not condoning it or excusing it, I refuse to accept that the offenders go with a racist purpose in mind and therefore your assertion that Guly gets booed because he is not English. The "yawn" is in response to people like you who like to bring political issues to absolutely everything even when there is no evidence to do so. Hope that is "clever" enough for you.
The problem has by and large gone...we now complain over tiny meaningless incidents...looking for a problem hat by and large is not there...
Incidentally i would guess you are a public employee.
st1halo
says...
5:51pm Mon 31 Dec 12
ramptonfromsouthamptI'll thank you not to act like a neanderthal yourself and not accuse me of acting like an idiot.
on wrote:
st1halo wrote:Thanks for demonstrating again that despite your obvious command of the English language, you are able to act like an idiot. As it goes, this has got f*** all to do with politicising anything. This is me commenting on something that is already a major issue in the game, so it specifically has relevance. As for no evidence, I will have to assume that you are another fortunate that has been spared having to listen to embarassing Neanderthals wearing our club's colours spouting all kinds of puerile bigotry. And since when is the subject of racism just a matter for politics? It's a social issue and one that's obviously uncomfortable for some judging by reaction.
ramptonfromsouthamptNo problem!
on wrote:
st1halo wrote:Gosh, you're clever aren't you 'Halo'? The witty riposte that you just added to this discussion must have taken you ages to think up. Really helpful, so thanks.
ramptonfromsouthamptYawn!
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:Fair enough, I offer my apology to you for the implication that you condone racism in any shape or form. I do find it odd though, that for someone who is working in the community to help eradicate this ignorance, you should imply in turn that there isn't an issue at St Mary's with racist behaviour toward one of our players. I'm sorry if I upset you with my comments but as it goes, if you read back your reply to my comment on the original posting, it's quite easy to read it as this...
ramptonfromsouthamptI didn't say racism isn't an issue in football or in society in general, how dare suggest any different, you suggested that Guly is disliked by many Saints fans simply because of the colour of his skin and his country of origin, I said I'd never heard people saying that about him when I attend matches, I said it was more likely his inability to play football to a good standard as the reason people disliked him, also you never said anything about football in other countries or other clubs, which there is an appalling record of racial abuse.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:You've got to be joking if you think this is an 'issue that isn't there'. Wake up and smell the coffee mate. Racism in the game is STILL a problem and if you choose to ignore it then you might as well be condoning it. It's endemic and as another poster on this thread pointed out, it's not just at our place but throughout football and alive and kicking at every ground. I take it you did notice the uproar about the England U21's v Serbia? Terry v Ferdinand, Suarez and Evra... Even on the bloody pitch its a problem. And you want to tell me its not an issue? The morons behind the sadly, not uncommon racist comments and attitudes end up being protected by the likes of you, because by denying the problem exists you allow it to continue. Take your head out of the sand.
ramptonfromsouthamptYou ask me......The Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from?......My answer to that No, the fact that he is pretty useless is more to do with it, It may occur in your section of the crowd, there is nothing wrong with my hearing or the acoustics's in the ground.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:If you are telling me that you've never heard any racist comment towards our players, I'd say you appear to be suffering from a selective form of deafness. Perhaps in the exact spot where you are located there is an acoustic anomaly preventing certain words and phrases from finding their way into your ears? Sorry fellah, but do you honestly want me to believe that all of the Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from? Surely you're not that naive?
ramptonfromsouthamptI disagree with your comment regarding the colour of Guly's skin, I and many of the people I stand with in Itchen North block 2 and have never rated him, I've heard a few people boo him and they have been told to shut it, however I have never witnessed any form of racism directed at Guly from that section of the ground.
on wrote:
Dazzler79 wrote:And of course, you would have popped that easy one in yourself from four times the distance, blindfolded and with both arms tied behind your back. Personally I am getting more than bored with the ongoing anti-Guly sentiments here. And given the fact that I'm STILL hearing racist b****x from our own fans towards our own players at St Mary's, it wouldn't surprise me to find that most of the Guly haters are down on him purely for not being English. I'm not saying this applies to you Dazzler, and of course, you're entitled to an opinion the same as I am. But you can't tell me that it's purely a 'football matter' that there are people willing to slag him off. And as for being useless, I think you'll find he was one of the better players that turned out against Stoke. The fact that I was happy for him that he was in the starting 11 and not coming on as a sub to be booed by his OWN fans before he's even kicked a ball says a lot about what's wrong with a certain section of our support. And before any of the blue lot down the road pipe up, you'd do to have a good long look at yourselves too.
Guly can do know wrong for Adkins that's why he plays the useless idiot.
I blame him for missing a sitter and I also blame Davis for not stopping Upson goal.
Adkins is losing the plot with his baffling picking of team and post match interviews too.
I think you're trying to raise an issue that isn't there,,,my opinion of Guly's lack of ability has nothing to do with his colour or origin.
As for your accusation that I'm ignoring racism and condoning it and I protect racist, which are totally out of order, as you don't know me, although I don't have to justify myself to you, for your information, I have campaigned against racism in all walks of life for many years, I have worked for SFC in partnership with Southampton council to spread the Racism Just Isn't Saintly message/campaign many years ago, working within the Southampton community and in places such as school's colleges and in the workplace.
I suggest you think about your comments before you make accusations and accuse people of burying their heads in the sands and supporting racist.
1/ Denial that there is a problem.
2/ If I've not heard it then it doesn't exist.
For anyone reading the thread to that point, I'm sorry, but it came across as something akin to Arsene Wenger's eyesight - if I didn't see it then it didn't happen. Assuming you'll accept my apology, I'd like you to consider that my intentions are well meant and that perhaps you, as someone who is actively involved in 'Racism Ain't Saintly' should be aware more than most, of the actions of the few 'fans' who indulge in routinely abusing members of our team, and in consequence, should not be claiming that there is no issue about his skin colour or origin.
It is higly unlikely that people go to the ground with a political or anti-racial purpose, more likely that they use the first obvious objectifying feature that comes to mind, human nature I'm afraid. Whilst not condoning it or excusing it, I refuse to accept that the offenders go with a racist purpose in mind and therefore your assertion that Guly gets booed because he is not English. The "yawn" is in response to people like you who like to bring political issues to absolutely everything even when there is no evidence to do so. Hope that is "clever" enough for you.
I suggest you read through the posts again! There may be "all kinds of peurile bigotry" spouted at the ground but your post suggests that there is pre-meditation involved from a racist platform, that people have booed Guly because he is not English and there is NO evidence of this whatsoever.
A major issue in the game? I don't think so, maybe in the 70's and 80's. I regard it as a diminishing one that people like to use to gain the moral high ground Rio Ferdinand is all for the cause but let me ask you this? What has being black ever stopped him from achieving in the world of football? He got called some names? If you went to Fratton Park last year you would have seen some serious abuse of all our players.
Correct that racism is a social issue and society, given time deals with all issues but political groups with single agendas are divisive and dangerous and this subject is used by them time and time again.
If you hear these comments at the ground you can report them to the police as it is illegal. Simple
warrens 76
says...
6:13pm Mon 31 Dec 12
st1halo wrote:St Halo...I applaud your common sense post....there are people who look for a problem and the moment they identify the tiniest 'evidence' use it to further their pet agenda...
ramptonfromsouthamptI'll thank you not to act like a neanderthal yourself and not accuse me of acting like an idiot.
on wrote:
st1halo wrote:Thanks for demonstrating again that despite your obvious command of the English language, you are able to act like an idiot. As it goes, this has got f*** all to do with politicising anything. This is me commenting on something that is already a major issue in the game, so it specifically has relevance. As for no evidence, I will have to assume that you are another fortunate that has been spared having to listen to embarassing Neanderthals wearing our club's colours spouting all kinds of puerile bigotry. And since when is the subject of racism just a matter for politics? It's a social issue and one that's obviously uncomfortable for some judging by reaction.
ramptonfromsouthamptNo problem!
on wrote:
st1halo wrote:Gosh, you're clever aren't you 'Halo'? The witty riposte that you just added to this discussion must have taken you ages to think up. Really helpful, so thanks.
ramptonfromsouthamptYawn!
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:Fair enough, I offer my apology to you for the implication that you condone racism in any shape or form. I do find it odd though, that for someone who is working in the community to help eradicate this ignorance, you should imply in turn that there isn't an issue at St Mary's with racist behaviour toward one of our players. I'm sorry if I upset you with my comments but as it goes, if you read back your reply to my comment on the original posting, it's quite easy to read it as this...
ramptonfromsouthamptI didn't say racism isn't an issue in football or in society in general, how dare suggest any different, you suggested that Guly is disliked by many Saints fans simply because of the colour of his skin and his country of origin, I said I'd never heard people saying that about him when I attend matches, I said it was more likely his inability to play football to a good standard as the reason people disliked him, also you never said anything about football in other countries or other clubs, which there is an appalling record of racial abuse.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:You've got to be joking if you think this is an 'issue that isn't there'. Wake up and smell the coffee mate. Racism in the game is STILL a problem and if you choose to ignore it then you might as well be condoning it. It's endemic and as another poster on this thread pointed out, it's not just at our place but throughout football and alive and kicking at every ground. I take it you did notice the uproar about the England U21's v Serbia? Terry v Ferdinand, Suarez and Evra... Even on the bloody pitch its a problem. And you want to tell me its not an issue? The morons behind the sadly, not uncommon racist comments and attitudes end up being protected by the likes of you, because by denying the problem exists you allow it to continue. Take your head out of the sand.
ramptonfromsouthamptYou ask me......The Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from?......My answer to that No, the fact that he is pretty useless is more to do with it, It may occur in your section of the crowd, there is nothing wrong with my hearing or the acoustics's in the ground.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:If you are telling me that you've never heard any racist comment towards our players, I'd say you appear to be suffering from a selective form of deafness. Perhaps in the exact spot where you are located there is an acoustic anomaly preventing certain words and phrases from finding their way into your ears? Sorry fellah, but do you honestly want me to believe that all of the Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from? Surely you're not that naive?
ramptonfromsouthamptI disagree with your comment regarding the colour of Guly's skin, I and many of the people I stand with in Itchen North block 2 and have never rated him, I've heard a few people boo him and they have been told to shut it, however I have never witnessed any form of racism directed at Guly from that section of the ground.
on wrote:
Dazzler79 wrote:And of course, you would have popped that easy one in yourself from four times the distance, blindfolded and with both arms tied behind your back. Personally I am getting more than bored with the ongoing anti-Guly sentiments here. And given the fact that I'm STILL hearing racist b****x from our own fans towards our own players at St Mary's, it wouldn't surprise me to find that most of the Guly haters are down on him purely for not being English. I'm not saying this applies to you Dazzler, and of course, you're entitled to an opinion the same as I am. But you can't tell me that it's purely a 'football matter' that there are people willing to slag him off. And as for being useless, I think you'll find he was one of the better players that turned out against Stoke. The fact that I was happy for him that he was in the starting 11 and not coming on as a sub to be booed by his OWN fans before he's even kicked a ball says a lot about what's wrong with a certain section of our support. And before any of the blue lot down the road pipe up, you'd do to have a good long look at yourselves too.
Guly can do know wrong for Adkins that's why he plays the useless idiot.
I blame him for missing a sitter and I also blame Davis for not stopping Upson goal.
Adkins is losing the plot with his baffling picking of team and post match interviews too.
I think you're trying to raise an issue that isn't there,,,my opinion of Guly's lack of ability has nothing to do with his colour or origin.
As for your accusation that I'm ignoring racism and condoning it and I protect racist, which are totally out of order, as you don't know me, although I don't have to justify myself to you, for your information, I have campaigned against racism in all walks of life for many years, I have worked for SFC in partnership with Southampton council to spread the Racism Just Isn't Saintly message/campaign many years ago, working within the Southampton community and in places such as school's colleges and in the workplace.
I suggest you think about your comments before you make accusations and accuse people of burying their heads in the sands and supporting racist.
1/ Denial that there is a problem.
2/ If I've not heard it then it doesn't exist.
For anyone reading the thread to that point, I'm sorry, but it came across as something akin to Arsene Wenger's eyesight - if I didn't see it then it didn't happen. Assuming you'll accept my apology, I'd like you to consider that my intentions are well meant and that perhaps you, as someone who is actively involved in 'Racism Ain't Saintly' should be aware more than most, of the actions of the few 'fans' who indulge in routinely abusing members of our team, and in consequence, should not be claiming that there is no issue about his skin colour or origin.
It is higly unlikely that people go to the ground with a political or anti-racial purpose, more likely that they use the first obvious objectifying feature that comes to mind, human nature I'm afraid. Whilst not condoning it or excusing it, I refuse to accept that the offenders go with a racist purpose in mind and therefore your assertion that Guly gets booed because he is not English. The "yawn" is in response to people like you who like to bring political issues to absolutely everything even when there is no evidence to do so. Hope that is "clever" enough for you.
I suggest you read through the posts again! There may be "all kinds of peurile bigotry" spouted at the ground but your post suggests that there is pre-meditation involved from a racist platform, that people have booed Guly because he is not English and there is NO evidence of this whatsoever.
A major issue in the game? I don't think so, maybe in the 70's and 80's. I regard it as a diminishing one that people like to use to gain the moral high ground Rio Ferdinand is all for the cause but let me ask you this? What has being black ever stopped him from achieving in the world of football? He got called some names? If you went to Fratton Park last year you would have seen some serious abuse of all our players.
Correct that racism is a social issue and society, given time deals with all issues but political groups with single agendas are divisive and dangerous and this subject is used by them time and time again.
If you hear these comments at the ground you can report them to the police as it is illegal. Simple
I do not like John Terry, personally I think he is a wrong un, yet he trains and plays with other races everyday I believe they are his team mates!
Were he the racist monster the media would wish him to be would his own team mates not ostricise him?
The pc agenda pursued in recent years gives uncomfortable powers to often bitter self serving individuals determined to 'root' out issues that are only in their mind...of course these same people are the one's who see no problems in Rochdale, Rotherham, Derby etc..
RedArmy1
says...
6:27pm Mon 31 Dec 12
The article should have read :
Saints Boss refuses to point the blame at Guly and Kelvin at Stoke and also refuses to blame Keeper for howler at Fulham.
LET'S GET THE GOAL KEEPING SITUATION SORTED IN THE JANUARY WINDOW.
COYR
Saints Boss refuses to point the blame at Guly and Kelvin at Stoke and also refuses to blame Keeper for howler at Fulham.
LET'S GET THE GOAL KEEPING SITUATION SORTED IN THE JANUARY WINDOW.
COYR
peterdagnell658@btinternet.com
says...
6:51pm Mon 31 Dec 12
Like all matches at some point a player will miss a tackle or even what might seem an easy chance. All those who think it's easy have never played a proper game of football, if it was easy even my grandma could score. GDP has done well for us, lets be realistic as long as they give their best thats all we can ask for. COYR.
DurhamSaint.
DurhamSaint.
warrens 76
says...
7:10pm Mon 31 Dec 12
peterdagnell658@btinNo he has not done well for us Peter, time and time again when called to action he fails, this goes back to before Pmuff last year right up to Saturday..he defends he lets them in, he shoots he misses, all the time!
ternet.com wrote:
Like all matches at some point a player will miss a tackle or even what might seem an easy chance. All those who think it's easy have never played a proper game of football, if it was easy even my grandma could score. GDP has done well for us, lets be realistic as long as they give their best thats all we can ask for. COYR.
DurhamSaint.
st1halo
says...
8:42pm Mon 31 Dec 12
warrens 76 wrote:I agree mate.
st1halo wrote:St Halo...I applaud your common sense post....there are people who look for a problem and the moment they identify the tiniest 'evidence' use it to further their pet agenda...
ramptonfromsouthamptI'll thank you not to act like a neanderthal yourself and not accuse me of acting like an idiot.
on wrote:
st1halo wrote:Thanks for demonstrating again that despite your obvious command of the English language, you are able to act like an idiot. As it goes, this has got f*** all to do with politicising anything. This is me commenting on something that is already a major issue in the game, so it specifically has relevance. As for no evidence, I will have to assume that you are another fortunate that has been spared having to listen to embarassing Neanderthals wearing our club's colours spouting all kinds of puerile bigotry. And since when is the subject of racism just a matter for politics? It's a social issue and one that's obviously uncomfortable for some judging by reaction.
ramptonfromsouthamptNo problem!
on wrote:
st1halo wrote:Gosh, you're clever aren't you 'Halo'? The witty riposte that you just added to this discussion must have taken you ages to think up. Really helpful, so thanks.
ramptonfromsouthamptYawn!
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:Fair enough, I offer my apology to you for the implication that you condone racism in any shape or form. I do find it odd though, that for someone who is working in the community to help eradicate this ignorance, you should imply in turn that there isn't an issue at St Mary's with racist behaviour toward one of our players. I'm sorry if I upset you with my comments but as it goes, if you read back your reply to my comment on the original posting, it's quite easy to read it as this...
ramptonfromsouthamptI didn't say racism isn't an issue in football or in society in general, how dare suggest any different, you suggested that Guly is disliked by many Saints fans simply because of the colour of his skin and his country of origin, I said I'd never heard people saying that about him when I attend matches, I said it was more likely his inability to play football to a good standard as the reason people disliked him, also you never said anything about football in other countries or other clubs, which there is an appalling record of racial abuse.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:You've got to be joking if you think this is an 'issue that isn't there'. Wake up and smell the coffee mate. Racism in the game is STILL a problem and if you choose to ignore it then you might as well be condoning it. It's endemic and as another poster on this thread pointed out, it's not just at our place but throughout football and alive and kicking at every ground. I take it you did notice the uproar about the England U21's v Serbia? Terry v Ferdinand, Suarez and Evra... Even on the bloody pitch its a problem. And you want to tell me its not an issue? The morons behind the sadly, not uncommon racist comments and attitudes end up being protected by the likes of you, because by denying the problem exists you allow it to continue. Take your head out of the sand.
ramptonfromsouthamptYou ask me......The Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from?......My answer to that No, the fact that he is pretty useless is more to do with it, It may occur in your section of the crowd, there is nothing wrong with my hearing or the acoustics's in the ground.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:If you are telling me that you've never heard any racist comment towards our players, I'd say you appear to be suffering from a selective form of deafness. Perhaps in the exact spot where you are located there is an acoustic anomaly preventing certain words and phrases from finding their way into your ears? Sorry fellah, but do you honestly want me to believe that all of the Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from? Surely you're not that naive?
ramptonfromsouthamptI disagree with your comment regarding the colour of Guly's skin, I and many of the people I stand with in Itchen North block 2 and have never rated him, I've heard a few people boo him and they have been told to shut it, however I have never witnessed any form of racism directed at Guly from that section of the ground.
on wrote:
Dazzler79 wrote:And of course, you would have popped that easy one in yourself from four times the distance, blindfolded and with both arms tied behind your back. Personally I am getting more than bored with the ongoing anti-Guly sentiments here. And given the fact that I'm STILL hearing racist b****x from our own fans towards our own players at St Mary's, it wouldn't surprise me to find that most of the Guly haters are down on him purely for not being English. I'm not saying this applies to you Dazzler, and of course, you're entitled to an opinion the same as I am. But you can't tell me that it's purely a 'football matter' that there are people willing to slag him off. And as for being useless, I think you'll find he was one of the better players that turned out against Stoke. The fact that I was happy for him that he was in the starting 11 and not coming on as a sub to be booed by his OWN fans before he's even kicked a ball says a lot about what's wrong with a certain section of our support. And before any of the blue lot down the road pipe up, you'd do to have a good long look at yourselves too.
Guly can do know wrong for Adkins that's why he plays the useless idiot.
I blame him for missing a sitter and I also blame Davis for not stopping Upson goal.
Adkins is losing the plot with his baffling picking of team and post match interviews too.
I think you're trying to raise an issue that isn't there,,,my opinion of Guly's lack of ability has nothing to do with his colour or origin.
As for your accusation that I'm ignoring racism and condoning it and I protect racist, which are totally out of order, as you don't know me, although I don't have to justify myself to you, for your information, I have campaigned against racism in all walks of life for many years, I have worked for SFC in partnership with Southampton council to spread the Racism Just Isn't Saintly message/campaign many years ago, working within the Southampton community and in places such as school's colleges and in the workplace.
I suggest you think about your comments before you make accusations and accuse people of burying their heads in the sands and supporting racist.
1/ Denial that there is a problem.
2/ If I've not heard it then it doesn't exist.
For anyone reading the thread to that point, I'm sorry, but it came across as something akin to Arsene Wenger's eyesight - if I didn't see it then it didn't happen. Assuming you'll accept my apology, I'd like you to consider that my intentions are well meant and that perhaps you, as someone who is actively involved in 'Racism Ain't Saintly' should be aware more than most, of the actions of the few 'fans' who indulge in routinely abusing members of our team, and in consequence, should not be claiming that there is no issue about his skin colour or origin.
It is higly unlikely that people go to the ground with a political or anti-racial purpose, more likely that they use the first obvious objectifying feature that comes to mind, human nature I'm afraid. Whilst not condoning it or excusing it, I refuse to accept that the offenders go with a racist purpose in mind and therefore your assertion that Guly gets booed because he is not English. The "yawn" is in response to people like you who like to bring political issues to absolutely everything even when there is no evidence to do so. Hope that is "clever" enough for you.
I suggest you read through the posts again! There may be "all kinds of peurile bigotry" spouted at the ground but your post suggests that there is pre-meditation involved from a racist platform, that people have booed Guly because he is not English and there is NO evidence of this whatsoever.
A major issue in the game? I don't think so, maybe in the 70's and 80's. I regard it as a diminishing one that people like to use to gain the moral high ground Rio Ferdinand is all for the cause but let me ask you this? What has being black ever stopped him from achieving in the world of football? He got called some names? If you went to Fratton Park last year you would have seen some serious abuse of all our players.
Correct that racism is a social issue and society, given time deals with all issues but political groups with single agendas are divisive and dangerous and this subject is used by them time and time again.
If you hear these comments at the ground you can report them to the police as it is illegal. Simple
I do not like John Terry, personally I think he is a wrong un, yet he trains and plays with other races everyday I believe they are his team mates!
Were he the racist monster the media would wish him to be would his own team mates not ostricise him?
The pc agenda pursued in recent years gives uncomfortable powers to often bitter self serving individuals determined to 'root' out issues that are only in their mind...of course these same people are the one's who see no problems in Rochdale, Rotherham, Derby etc..
I watched 'Question Time' with interest after those paedos were found guilty. It was clearly a race issue but not one politician would say so and they all sat there picking their words very carefully for fear they would be cast in a bad light. How sad that those little girls could not be afforded the backing of the leaders of the country but therein lies the problem. Political correctness and free speech do not go hand in hand. But I know which one I will defend.
warrens 76
says...
8:48pm Mon 31 Dec 12
st1halo wrote:Good man..only ones who say it as it is are UKIP...
warrens 76 wrote:I agree mate.
st1halo wrote:St Halo...I applaud your common sense post....there are people who look for a problem and the moment they identify the tiniest 'evidence' use it to further their pet agenda...
ramptonfromsouthamptI'll thank you not to act like a neanderthal yourself and not accuse me of acting like an idiot.
on wrote:
st1halo wrote:Thanks for demonstrating again that despite your obvious command of the English language, you are able to act like an idiot. As it goes, this has got f*** all to do with politicising anything. This is me commenting on something that is already a major issue in the game, so it specifically has relevance. As for no evidence, I will have to assume that you are another fortunate that has been spared having to listen to embarassing Neanderthals wearing our club's colours spouting all kinds of puerile bigotry. And since when is the subject of racism just a matter for politics? It's a social issue and one that's obviously uncomfortable for some judging by reaction.
ramptonfromsouthamptNo problem!
on wrote:
st1halo wrote:Gosh, you're clever aren't you 'Halo'? The witty riposte that you just added to this discussion must have taken you ages to think up. Really helpful, so thanks.
ramptonfromsouthamptYawn!
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:Fair enough, I offer my apology to you for the implication that you condone racism in any shape or form. I do find it odd though, that for someone who is working in the community to help eradicate this ignorance, you should imply in turn that there isn't an issue at St Mary's with racist behaviour toward one of our players. I'm sorry if I upset you with my comments but as it goes, if you read back your reply to my comment on the original posting, it's quite easy to read it as this...
ramptonfromsouthamptI didn't say racism isn't an issue in football or in society in general, how dare suggest any different, you suggested that Guly is disliked by many Saints fans simply because of the colour of his skin and his country of origin, I said I'd never heard people saying that about him when I attend matches, I said it was more likely his inability to play football to a good standard as the reason people disliked him, also you never said anything about football in other countries or other clubs, which there is an appalling record of racial abuse.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:You've got to be joking if you think this is an 'issue that isn't there'. Wake up and smell the coffee mate. Racism in the game is STILL a problem and if you choose to ignore it then you might as well be condoning it. It's endemic and as another poster on this thread pointed out, it's not just at our place but throughout football and alive and kicking at every ground. I take it you did notice the uproar about the England U21's v Serbia? Terry v Ferdinand, Suarez and Evra... Even on the bloody pitch its a problem. And you want to tell me its not an issue? The morons behind the sadly, not uncommon racist comments and attitudes end up being protected by the likes of you, because by denying the problem exists you allow it to continue. Take your head out of the sand.
ramptonfromsouthamptYou ask me......The Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from?......My answer to that No, the fact that he is pretty useless is more to do with it, It may occur in your section of the crowd, there is nothing wrong with my hearing or the acoustics's in the ground.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:If you are telling me that you've never heard any racist comment towards our players, I'd say you appear to be suffering from a selective form of deafness. Perhaps in the exact spot where you are located there is an acoustic anomaly preventing certain words and phrases from finding their way into your ears? Sorry fellah, but do you honestly want me to believe that all of the Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from? Surely you're not that naive?
ramptonfromsouthamptI disagree with your comment regarding the colour of Guly's skin, I and many of the people I stand with in Itchen North block 2 and have never rated him, I've heard a few people boo him and they have been told to shut it, however I have never witnessed any form of racism directed at Guly from that section of the ground.
on wrote:
Dazzler79 wrote:And of course, you would have popped that easy one in yourself from four times the distance, blindfolded and with both arms tied behind your back. Personally I am getting more than bored with the ongoing anti-Guly sentiments here. And given the fact that I'm STILL hearing racist b****x from our own fans towards our own players at St Mary's, it wouldn't surprise me to find that most of the Guly haters are down on him purely for not being English. I'm not saying this applies to you Dazzler, and of course, you're entitled to an opinion the same as I am. But you can't tell me that it's purely a 'football matter' that there are people willing to slag him off. And as for being useless, I think you'll find he was one of the better players that turned out against Stoke. The fact that I was happy for him that he was in the starting 11 and not coming on as a sub to be booed by his OWN fans before he's even kicked a ball says a lot about what's wrong with a certain section of our support. And before any of the blue lot down the road pipe up, you'd do to have a good long look at yourselves too.
Guly can do know wrong for Adkins that's why he plays the useless idiot.
I blame him for missing a sitter and I also blame Davis for not stopping Upson goal.
Adkins is losing the plot with his baffling picking of team and post match interviews too.
I think you're trying to raise an issue that isn't there,,,my opinion of Guly's lack of ability has nothing to do with his colour or origin.
As for your accusation that I'm ignoring racism and condoning it and I protect racist, which are totally out of order, as you don't know me, although I don't have to justify myself to you, for your information, I have campaigned against racism in all walks of life for many years, I have worked for SFC in partnership with Southampton council to spread the Racism Just Isn't Saintly message/campaign many years ago, working within the Southampton community and in places such as school's colleges and in the workplace.
I suggest you think about your comments before you make accusations and accuse people of burying their heads in the sands and supporting racist.
1/ Denial that there is a problem.
2/ If I've not heard it then it doesn't exist.
For anyone reading the thread to that point, I'm sorry, but it came across as something akin to Arsene Wenger's eyesight - if I didn't see it then it didn't happen. Assuming you'll accept my apology, I'd like you to consider that my intentions are well meant and that perhaps you, as someone who is actively involved in 'Racism Ain't Saintly' should be aware more than most, of the actions of the few 'fans' who indulge in routinely abusing members of our team, and in consequence, should not be claiming that there is no issue about his skin colour or origin.
It is higly unlikely that people go to the ground with a political or anti-racial purpose, more likely that they use the first obvious objectifying feature that comes to mind, human nature I'm afraid. Whilst not condoning it or excusing it, I refuse to accept that the offenders go with a racist purpose in mind and therefore your assertion that Guly gets booed because he is not English. The "yawn" is in response to people like you who like to bring political issues to absolutely everything even when there is no evidence to do so. Hope that is "clever" enough for you.
I suggest you read through the posts again! There may be "all kinds of peurile bigotry" spouted at the ground but your post suggests that there is pre-meditation involved from a racist platform, that people have booed Guly because he is not English and there is NO evidence of this whatsoever.
A major issue in the game? I don't think so, maybe in the 70's and 80's. I regard it as a diminishing one that people like to use to gain the moral high ground Rio Ferdinand is all for the cause but let me ask you this? What has being black ever stopped him from achieving in the world of football? He got called some names? If you went to Fratton Park last year you would have seen some serious abuse of all our players.
Correct that racism is a social issue and society, given time deals with all issues but political groups with single agendas are divisive and dangerous and this subject is used by them time and time again.
If you hear these comments at the ground you can report them to the police as it is illegal. Simple
I do not like John Terry, personally I think he is a wrong un, yet he trains and plays with other races everyday I believe they are his team mates!
Were he the racist monster the media would wish him to be would his own team mates not ostricise him?
The pc agenda pursued in recent years gives uncomfortable powers to often bitter self serving individuals determined to 'root' out issues that are only in their mind...of course these same people are the one's who see no problems in Rochdale, Rotherham, Derby etc..
I watched 'Question Time' with interest after those paedos were found guilty. It was clearly a race issue but not one politician would say so and they all sat there picking their words very carefully for fear they would be cast in a bad light. How sad that those little girls could not be afforded the backing of the leaders of the country but therein lies the problem. Political correctness and free speech do not go hand in hand. But I know which one I will defend.
st1halo
says...
9:11pm Mon 31 Dec 12
warrens 76 wrote:True and the situation over the adoptive parents recently demonstrates perfectly the extent to which the pc brigade will go to in order to push the agenda.
st1halo wrote:Good man..only ones who say it as it is are UKIP...
warrens 76 wrote:I agree mate.
st1halo wrote:St Halo...I applaud your common sense post....there are people who look for a problem and the moment they identify the tiniest 'evidence' use it to further their pet agenda...
ramptonfromsouthamptI'll thank you not to act like a neanderthal yourself and not accuse me of acting like an idiot.
on wrote:
st1halo wrote:Thanks for demonstrating again that despite your obvious command of the English language, you are able to act like an idiot. As it goes, this has got f*** all to do with politicising anything. This is me commenting on something that is already a major issue in the game, so it specifically has relevance. As for no evidence, I will have to assume that you are another fortunate that has been spared having to listen to embarassing Neanderthals wearing our club's colours spouting all kinds of puerile bigotry. And since when is the subject of racism just a matter for politics? It's a social issue and one that's obviously uncomfortable for some judging by reaction.
ramptonfromsouthamptNo problem!
on wrote:
st1halo wrote:Gosh, you're clever aren't you 'Halo'? The witty riposte that you just added to this discussion must have taken you ages to think up. Really helpful, so thanks.
ramptonfromsouthamptYawn!
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:Fair enough, I offer my apology to you for the implication that you condone racism in any shape or form. I do find it odd though, that for someone who is working in the community to help eradicate this ignorance, you should imply in turn that there isn't an issue at St Mary's with racist behaviour toward one of our players. I'm sorry if I upset you with my comments but as it goes, if you read back your reply to my comment on the original posting, it's quite easy to read it as this...
ramptonfromsouthamptI didn't say racism isn't an issue in football or in society in general, how dare suggest any different, you suggested that Guly is disliked by many Saints fans simply because of the colour of his skin and his country of origin, I said I'd never heard people saying that about him when I attend matches, I said it was more likely his inability to play football to a good standard as the reason people disliked him, also you never said anything about football in other countries or other clubs, which there is an appalling record of racial abuse.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:You've got to be joking if you think this is an 'issue that isn't there'. Wake up and smell the coffee mate. Racism in the game is STILL a problem and if you choose to ignore it then you might as well be condoning it. It's endemic and as another poster on this thread pointed out, it's not just at our place but throughout football and alive and kicking at every ground. I take it you did notice the uproar about the England U21's v Serbia? Terry v Ferdinand, Suarez and Evra... Even on the bloody pitch its a problem. And you want to tell me its not an issue? The morons behind the sadly, not uncommon racist comments and attitudes end up being protected by the likes of you, because by denying the problem exists you allow it to continue. Take your head out of the sand.
ramptonfromsouthamptYou ask me......The Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from?......My answer to that No, the fact that he is pretty useless is more to do with it, It may occur in your section of the crowd, there is nothing wrong with my hearing or the acoustics's in the ground.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:If you are telling me that you've never heard any racist comment towards our players, I'd say you appear to be suffering from a selective form of deafness. Perhaps in the exact spot where you are located there is an acoustic anomaly preventing certain words and phrases from finding their way into your ears? Sorry fellah, but do you honestly want me to believe that all of the Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from? Surely you're not that naive?
ramptonfromsouthamptI disagree with your comment regarding the colour of Guly's skin, I and many of the people I stand with in Itchen North block 2 and have never rated him, I've heard a few people boo him and they have been told to shut it, however I have never witnessed any form of racism directed at Guly from that section of the ground.
on wrote:
Dazzler79 wrote:And of course, you would have popped that easy one in yourself from four times the distance, blindfolded and with both arms tied behind your back. Personally I am getting more than bored with the ongoing anti-Guly sentiments here. And given the fact that I'm STILL hearing racist b****x from our own fans towards our own players at St Mary's, it wouldn't surprise me to find that most of the Guly haters are down on him purely for not being English. I'm not saying this applies to you Dazzler, and of course, you're entitled to an opinion the same as I am. But you can't tell me that it's purely a 'football matter' that there are people willing to slag him off. And as for being useless, I think you'll find he was one of the better players that turned out against Stoke. The fact that I was happy for him that he was in the starting 11 and not coming on as a sub to be booed by his OWN fans before he's even kicked a ball says a lot about what's wrong with a certain section of our support. And before any of the blue lot down the road pipe up, you'd do to have a good long look at yourselves too.
Guly can do know wrong for Adkins that's why he plays the useless idiot.
I blame him for missing a sitter and I also blame Davis for not stopping Upson goal.
Adkins is losing the plot with his baffling picking of team and post match interviews too.
I think you're trying to raise an issue that isn't there,,,my opinion of Guly's lack of ability has nothing to do with his colour or origin.
As for your accusation that I'm ignoring racism and condoning it and I protect racist, which are totally out of order, as you don't know me, although I don't have to justify myself to you, for your information, I have campaigned against racism in all walks of life for many years, I have worked for SFC in partnership with Southampton council to spread the Racism Just Isn't Saintly message/campaign many years ago, working within the Southampton community and in places such as school's colleges and in the workplace.
I suggest you think about your comments before you make accusations and accuse people of burying their heads in the sands and supporting racist.
1/ Denial that there is a problem.
2/ If I've not heard it then it doesn't exist.
For anyone reading the thread to that point, I'm sorry, but it came across as something akin to Arsene Wenger's eyesight - if I didn't see it then it didn't happen. Assuming you'll accept my apology, I'd like you to consider that my intentions are well meant and that perhaps you, as someone who is actively involved in 'Racism Ain't Saintly' should be aware more than most, of the actions of the few 'fans' who indulge in routinely abusing members of our team, and in consequence, should not be claiming that there is no issue about his skin colour or origin.
It is higly unlikely that people go to the ground with a political or anti-racial purpose, more likely that they use the first obvious objectifying feature that comes to mind, human nature I'm afraid. Whilst not condoning it or excusing it, I refuse to accept that the offenders go with a racist purpose in mind and therefore your assertion that Guly gets booed because he is not English. The "yawn" is in response to people like you who like to bring political issues to absolutely everything even when there is no evidence to do so. Hope that is "clever" enough for you.
I suggest you read through the posts again! There may be "all kinds of peurile bigotry" spouted at the ground but your post suggests that there is pre-meditation involved from a racist platform, that people have booed Guly because he is not English and there is NO evidence of this whatsoever.
A major issue in the game? I don't think so, maybe in the 70's and 80's. I regard it as a diminishing one that people like to use to gain the moral high ground Rio Ferdinand is all for the cause but let me ask you this? What has being black ever stopped him from achieving in the world of football? He got called some names? If you went to Fratton Park last year you would have seen some serious abuse of all our players.
Correct that racism is a social issue and society, given time deals with all issues but political groups with single agendas are divisive and dangerous and this subject is used by them time and time again.
If you hear these comments at the ground you can report them to the police as it is illegal. Simple
I do not like John Terry, personally I think he is a wrong un, yet he trains and plays with other races everyday I believe they are his team mates!
Were he the racist monster the media would wish him to be would his own team mates not ostricise him?
The pc agenda pursued in recent years gives uncomfortable powers to often bitter self serving individuals determined to 'root' out issues that are only in their mind...of course these same people are the one's who see no problems in Rochdale, Rotherham, Derby etc..
I watched 'Question Time' with interest after those paedos were found guilty. It was clearly a race issue but not one politician would say so and they all sat there picking their words very carefully for fear they would be cast in a bad light. How sad that those little girls could not be afforded the backing of the leaders of the country but therein lies the problem. Political correctness and free speech do not go hand in hand. But I know which one I will defend.
Anyway happy new year bud!
I keep hoping the Echo are going to write a piece on an incoming offer for Guly but I fear I've got a long wait! His agent must be cr@p too! HAHA
STID
warrens 76
says...
10:15pm Mon 31 Dec 12
st1halo wrote:Happy new year to you and all the Saints family whatever your opinions we are STWD.
warrens 76 wrote:True and the situation over the adoptive parents recently demonstrates perfectly the extent to which the pc brigade will go to in order to push the agenda.
st1halo wrote:Good man..only ones who say it as it is are UKIP...
warrens 76 wrote:I agree mate.
st1halo wrote:St Halo...I applaud your common sense post....there are people who look for a problem and the moment they identify the tiniest 'evidence' use it to further their pet agenda...
ramptonfromsouthamptI'll thank you not to act like a neanderthal yourself and not accuse me of acting like an idiot.
on wrote:
st1halo wrote:Thanks for demonstrating again that despite your obvious command of the English language, you are able to act like an idiot. As it goes, this has got f*** all to do with politicising anything. This is me commenting on something that is already a major issue in the game, so it specifically has relevance. As for no evidence, I will have to assume that you are another fortunate that has been spared having to listen to embarassing Neanderthals wearing our club's colours spouting all kinds of puerile bigotry. And since when is the subject of racism just a matter for politics? It's a social issue and one that's obviously uncomfortable for some judging by reaction.
ramptonfromsouthamptNo problem!
on wrote:
st1halo wrote:Gosh, you're clever aren't you 'Halo'? The witty riposte that you just added to this discussion must have taken you ages to think up. Really helpful, so thanks.
ramptonfromsouthamptYawn!
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:Fair enough, I offer my apology to you for the implication that you condone racism in any shape or form. I do find it odd though, that for someone who is working in the community to help eradicate this ignorance, you should imply in turn that there isn't an issue at St Mary's with racist behaviour toward one of our players. I'm sorry if I upset you with my comments but as it goes, if you read back your reply to my comment on the original posting, it's quite easy to read it as this...
ramptonfromsouthamptI didn't say racism isn't an issue in football or in society in general, how dare suggest any different, you suggested that Guly is disliked by many Saints fans simply because of the colour of his skin and his country of origin, I said I'd never heard people saying that about him when I attend matches, I said it was more likely his inability to play football to a good standard as the reason people disliked him, also you never said anything about football in other countries or other clubs, which there is an appalling record of racial abuse.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:You've got to be joking if you think this is an 'issue that isn't there'. Wake up and smell the coffee mate. Racism in the game is STILL a problem and if you choose to ignore it then you might as well be condoning it. It's endemic and as another poster on this thread pointed out, it's not just at our place but throughout football and alive and kicking at every ground. I take it you did notice the uproar about the England U21's v Serbia? Terry v Ferdinand, Suarez and Evra... Even on the bloody pitch its a problem. And you want to tell me its not an issue? The morons behind the sadly, not uncommon racist comments and attitudes end up being protected by the likes of you, because by denying the problem exists you allow it to continue. Take your head out of the sand.
ramptonfromsouthamptYou ask me......The Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from?......My answer to that No, the fact that he is pretty useless is more to do with it, It may occur in your section of the crowd, there is nothing wrong with my hearing or the acoustics's in the ground.
on wrote:
Just A Voice wrote:If you are telling me that you've never heard any racist comment towards our players, I'd say you appear to be suffering from a selective form of deafness. Perhaps in the exact spot where you are located there is an acoustic anomaly preventing certain words and phrases from finding their way into your ears? Sorry fellah, but do you honestly want me to believe that all of the Guly-baiting has got nothing to do with the colour of his skin, or where he comes from? Surely you're not that naive?
ramptonfromsouthamptI disagree with your comment regarding the colour of Guly's skin, I and many of the people I stand with in Itchen North block 2 and have never rated him, I've heard a few people boo him and they have been told to shut it, however I have never witnessed any form of racism directed at Guly from that section of the ground.
on wrote:
Dazzler79 wrote:And of course, you would have popped that easy one in yourself from four times the distance, blindfolded and with both arms tied behind your back. Personally I am getting more than bored with the ongoing anti-Guly sentiments here. And given the fact that I'm STILL hearing racist b****x from our own fans towards our own players at St Mary's, it wouldn't surprise me to find that most of the Guly haters are down on him purely for not being English. I'm not saying this applies to you Dazzler, and of course, you're entitled to an opinion the same as I am. But you can't tell me that it's purely a 'football matter' that there are people willing to slag him off. And as for being useless, I think you'll find he was one of the better players that turned out against Stoke. The fact that I was happy for him that he was in the starting 11 and not coming on as a sub to be booed by his OWN fans before he's even kicked a ball says a lot about what's wrong with a certain section of our support. And before any of the blue lot down the road pipe up, you'd do to have a good long look at yourselves too.
Guly can do know wrong for Adkins that's why he plays the useless idiot.
I blame him for missing a sitter and I also blame Davis for not stopping Upson goal.
Adkins is losing the plot with his baffling picking of team and post match interviews too.
I think you're trying to raise an issue that isn't there,,,my opinion of Guly's lack of ability has nothing to do with his colour or origin.
As for your accusation that I'm ignoring racism and condoning it and I protect racist, which are totally out of order, as you don't know me, although I don't have to justify myself to you, for your information, I have campaigned against racism in all walks of life for many years, I have worked for SFC in partnership with Southampton council to spread the Racism Just Isn't Saintly message/campaign many years ago, working within the Southampton community and in places such as school's colleges and in the workplace.
I suggest you think about your comments before you make accusations and accuse people of burying their heads in the sands and supporting racist.
1/ Denial that there is a problem.
2/ If I've not heard it then it doesn't exist.
For anyone reading the thread to that point, I'm sorry, but it came across as something akin to Arsene Wenger's eyesight - if I didn't see it then it didn't happen. Assuming you'll accept my apology, I'd like you to consider that my intentions are well meant and that perhaps you, as someone who is actively involved in 'Racism Ain't Saintly' should be aware more than most, of the actions of the few 'fans' who indulge in routinely abusing members of our team, and in consequence, should not be claiming that there is no issue about his skin colour or origin.
It is higly unlikely that people go to the ground with a political or anti-racial purpose, more likely that they use the first obvious objectifying feature that comes to mind, human nature I'm afraid. Whilst not condoning it or excusing it, I refuse to accept that the offenders go with a racist purpose in mind and therefore your assertion that Guly gets booed because he is not English. The "yawn" is in response to people like you who like to bring political issues to absolutely everything even when there is no evidence to do so. Hope that is "clever" enough for you.
I suggest you read through the posts again! There may be "all kinds of peurile bigotry" spouted at the ground but your post suggests that there is pre-meditation involved from a racist platform, that people have booed Guly because he is not English and there is NO evidence of this whatsoever.
A major issue in the game? I don't think so, maybe in the 70's and 80's. I regard it as a diminishing one that people like to use to gain the moral high ground Rio Ferdinand is all for the cause but let me ask you this? What has being black ever stopped him from achieving in the world of football? He got called some names? If you went to Fratton Park last year you would have seen some serious abuse of all our players.
Correct that racism is a social issue and society, given time deals with all issues but political groups with single agendas are divisive and dangerous and this subject is used by them time and time again.
If you hear these comments at the ground you can report them to the police as it is illegal. Simple
I do not like John Terry, personally I think he is a wrong un, yet he trains and plays with other races everyday I believe they are his team mates!
Were he the racist monster the media would wish him to be would his own team mates not ostricise him?
The pc agenda pursued in recent years gives uncomfortable powers to often bitter self serving individuals determined to 'root' out issues that are only in their mind...of course these same people are the one's who see no problems in Rochdale, Rotherham, Derby etc..
I watched 'Question Time' with interest after those paedos were found guilty. It was clearly a race issue but not one politician would say so and they all sat there picking their words very carefully for fear they would be cast in a bad light. How sad that those little girls could not be afforded the backing of the leaders of the country but therein lies the problem. Political correctness and free speech do not go hand in hand. But I know which one I will defend.
Anyway happy new year bud!
I keep hoping the Echo are going to write a piece on an incoming offer for Guly but I fear I've got a long wait! His agent must be cr@p too! HAHA
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