Saints on £20m Italian mission? (From Daily Echo)

saintlysoul wrote:
Pleased to read that a least Saints are considering to buy players but do we really need to go abroad? These two players clearly have no experience in the Premier League and I'm concerned that Saints are going to make another mistake in paying good money for untested foreign players. Why can't they get seasoned Premier League players with experience of this league who are prepared for the dog fight ahead in attempting to remain in the best league in the world?

Just another reader wrote:

saintlysoul wrote: Pleased to read that a least Saints are considering to buy players but do we really need to go abroad? These two players clearly have no experience in the Premier League and I'm concerned that Saints are going to make another mistake in paying good money for untested foreign players. Why can't they get seasoned Premier League players with experience of this league who are prepared for the dog fight ahead in attempting to remain in the best league in the world?

I'm sure the likes of arsenal and man utd will take that advice! Where do you think the likes of van persie, Ronaldo etc have come from? If these players are half as good as is claimed they will be a huge asset to the club and will grace our league. I would love to see our team full of English talent but it simply isn't there, so lets embrace whatever and whoever can keep us in the prem and push on next season. COYR!!!

Tirau Dan wrote:
What do the Italian club fans say in the Echo equivalent over there? Hey if we go for talent of this calibre it's okay by me... I'm grateful to have a club and will support Saints til I die. Only One Nigel Adkins and very much Only One Nicola Cortese.. who deserves his name sung loud and proud!!

Tirau Dan wrote:
What do the Italian club fans say in the Echo equivalent over there? Hey if we go for talent of this calibre it's okay by me... I'm grateful to have a club and will support Saints til I die. Only One Nigel Adkins and very much Only One Nicola Cortese.. who deserves his name sung loud and proud!!

saintlysoul wrote:
Pleased to read that a least Saints are considering to buy players but do we really need to go abroad? These two players clearly have no experience in the Premier League and I'm concerned that Saints are going to make another mistake in paying good money for untested foreign players. Why can't they get seasoned Premier League players with experience of this league who are prepared for the dog fight ahead in attempting to remain in the best league in the world?

Rising_Son wrote:
One question I have about this is: why is a player that was originally signed €4m and can't get into the team now worth £10m? Surely, we should be able to get him cheaper than that.

MGRA wrote:

Rising_Son wrote:
One question I have about this is: why is a player that was originally signed €4m and can't get into the team now worth £10m? Surely, we should be able to get him cheaper than that.

now that Fonte is knackered, their asking price would have automatically gone up £2m.... Also remember that its only really the Prem and La Liga that have stupid transfer prices.. the rest of Europe generally have much lower transfer costs....Foreign clubs know about the SKY money obviously and want their slice for signings....

Rising_Son wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Rising_Son wrote:
One question I have about this is: why is a player that was originally signed €4m and can't get into the team now worth £10m? Surely, we should be able to get him cheaper than that.

now that Fonte is knackered, their asking price would have automatically gone up £2m.... Also remember that its only really the Prem and La Liga that have stupid transfer prices.. the rest of Europe generally have much lower transfer costs....Foreign clubs know about the SKY money obviously and want their slice for signings....

But €4m + £2m still isn't even close to £10m.

Rising_Son wrote:
One question I have about this is: why is a player that was originally signed €4m and can't get into the team now worth £10m? Surely, we should be able to get him cheaper than that.

Rising_Son wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Rising_Son wrote:
One question I have about this is: why is a player that was originally signed €4m and can't get into the team now worth £10m? Surely, we should be able to get him cheaper than that.

now that Fonte is knackered, their asking price would have automatically gone up £2m.... Also remember that its only really the Prem and La Liga that have stupid transfer prices.. the rest of Europe generally have much lower transfer costs....Foreign clubs know about the SKY money obviously and want their slice for signings....

But €4m + £2m still isn't even close to £10m.

saintlysoul wrote:
Pleased to read that a least Saints are considering to buy players but do we really need to go abroad? These two players clearly have no experience in the Premier League and I'm concerned that Saints are going to make another mistake in paying good money for untested foreign players. Why can't they get seasoned Premier League players with experience of this league who are prepared for the dog fight ahead in attempting to remain in the best league in the world?

mbetts wrote:

Rising_Son wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Rising_Son wrote:
One question I have about this is: why is a player that was originally signed €4m and can't get into the team now worth £10m? Surely, we should be able to get him cheaper than that.

now that Fonte is knackered, their asking price would have automatically gone up £2m.... Also remember that its only really the Prem and La Liga that have stupid transfer prices.. the rest of Europe generally have much lower transfer costs....Foreign clubs know about the SKY money obviously and want their slice for signings....

But €4m + £2m still isn't even close to £10m.

I think it might be a bit of creative journalism, there's no way on earth Saints would pay silly money for anybody, not Cortese's style, if we get them it'll be for a fair price which we'll find out about in a year or so's time when they finally release the accounts.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Pleased to read that a least Saints are considering to buy players but do we really need to go abroad? These two players clearly have no experience in the Premier League and I'm concerned that Saints are going to make another mistake in paying good money for untested foreign players. Why can't they get seasoned Premier League players with experience of this league who are prepared for the dog fight ahead in attempting to remain in the best league in the world?

If you have some spare time I suggest that you make a list of all of the players in the Senior Squads of the other 19 teams, study them carefully and decide which of them are currently bench warmers wanting to be starters, narrow it down to the ones that with a bit of TLC would do a job for us in the Premier and post the results on here,

saintlysoul wrote:
Pleased to read that a least Saints are considering to buy players but do we really need to go abroad? These two players clearly have no experience in the Premier League and I'm concerned that Saints are going to make another mistake in paying good money for untested foreign players. Why can't they get seasoned Premier League players with experience of this league who are prepared for the dog fight ahead in attempting to remain in the best league in the world?

franiow wrote:
I am wondering if the price goes up when Saints come into town. If it's Saints, it must be 10 million. Final price will depend on how much they want to sell and if we are the only team in town.

Hate this waiting..let's hope we buy one soon.

MGRA wrote:

mbetts wrote:

Rising_Son wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Rising_Son wrote:
One question I have about this is: why is a player that was originally signed €4m and can't get into the team now worth £10m? Surely, we should be able to get him cheaper than that.

now that Fonte is knackered, their asking price would have automatically gone up £2m.... Also remember that its only really the Prem and La Liga that have stupid transfer prices.. the rest of Europe generally have much lower transfer costs....Foreign clubs know about the SKY money obviously and want their slice for signings....

But €4m + £2m still isn't even close to £10m.

I think it might be a bit of creative journalism, there's no way on earth Saints would pay silly money for anybody, not Cortese's style, if we get them it'll be for a fair price which we'll find out about in a year or so's time when they finally release the accounts.

well if you believe the crud about gaston only being used for home games and a "few" away games then we already have paid "silly" money for someone... I happen to think its all bluff and he is still not 100% fit but if the official line is correct then 12M for a part time player was madness imo....

SaintMax wrote:
Flippin eck he looks like a young Kevin Keegan too!!

St Retford wrote:

SaintMax wrote:
Flippin eck he looks like a young Kevin Keegan too!!

He looks like one of One Direction.

(Which, obviously, is amazing)

St Retford wrote:
Seedy, that's beautiful but you do know next week's court hearing is only to set a date for another court case further down the road?

It does, however, mean they'll most likely enjoy a whole year in administration which will cause all manner of headaches for them, but it still won't be the end. I think what'll happen is the administrators will cut costs and get rid of players until they're bumping along at the foot of League 1 even without the 10 points deduction and the whole sorry shitstorm will just wither and die through its own irrelevance as even its fans decide it's not worth saving (which, in effect, they've kind of already done anyway).

MEANWHILE, we're lining up two amazing players from Serie A so, you know, it's not all bad news.

St Retford wrote:
GOALAZO! If any Saints fans see reason to moan about this then they're mentally ill. Seriously, have a word with yourselves.

Dickosfc wrote:

St Retford wrote:
GOALAZO! If any Saints fans see reason to moan about this then they're mentally ill. Seriously, have a word with yourselves.

Spot on mate!! People banging on about Premier League experience makes me laugh. Michu didn't have any experience and he's been rubbish isn't he! Only the league's top scorer. As stated above, how many premier league standard bench warmers are out there and don't go on about Lescott and Dawson because they have both said they're staying put. These guys would be cracking in my opinion. Obviously the inflated price tags are a gamble but I'm not doubting Astori would do a job for us.

SaintMax wrote:

St Retford wrote:

SaintMax wrote:
Flippin eck he looks like a young Kevin Keegan too!!

He looks like one of One Direction.

(Which, obviously, is amazing)

Which one, the dark brooding one with shirt black curly hair who supports Inter?

St Retford wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

St Retford wrote:

SaintMax wrote:
Flippin eck he looks like a young Kevin Keegan too!!

He looks like one of One Direction.

(Which, obviously, is amazing)

Which one, the dark brooding one with shirt black curly hair who supports Inter?

Harry, I believe his name is.

AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES US BEAUTIFUL - UH - UH - OH etc.

(I bloody love having a five-year-old daughter - they have amazing taste in music.)

kent141 wrote:
Clubs take one look at Nigel and add a few million to the transfer fees straight away...

SaintMax wrote:

St Retford wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

St Retford wrote:

SaintMax wrote:
Flippin eck he looks like a young Kevin Keegan too!!

He looks like one of One Direction.

(Which, obviously, is amazing)

Which one, the dark brooding one with shirt black curly hair who supports Inter?

Harry, I believe his name is.

AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES US BEAUTIFUL - UH - UH - OH etc.

(I bloody love having a five-year-old daughter - they have amazing taste in music.)

You hit that high note effortlessly St Ret.. I too have the album on repeat in the car due to 3 kids under 8 ( and my guilty pleasure..)

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
And now, the end is here
And so they face the final curtain
Chainrai, he'll say it clear
He'll state his case, of which he’s certain
He’s lived a life that's full
He’s travelled each and every highway
And more, much more than this, he’ll do it his way

Fans, they had a Few
But then again, too Few to mention
They did not do, what they had to do, without exemption
He planned each charted course, each careful step along the byway
And more, much more than this, they did it his way

Yes, there were times, I'm sure you knew
When they bit off more than they could chew
But through it all, when there was doubt
He ate it up and spat it out
He faced it all and he stood tall and did it his way

We loved, we laughed and cried
We had our fill, at their losing
And now, as tears subside, we find it all so amusing
To think they did all that
And may we say, not in a sly way,
"Oh, no, oh, no, not us, they did it his way"

For what is a skunt, what has he got?
If not a club, then he has naught
To say the things he truly feels are now the words of one who kneels
The record shows they took the blows and did it his way!

Yes, it was his way

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

Dickosfc wrote:

St Retford wrote: GOALAZO! If any Saints fans see reason to moan about this then they're mentally ill. Seriously, have a word with yourselves.

Spot on mate!! People banging on about Premier League experience makes me laugh. Michu didn't have any experience and he's been rubbish isn't he! Only the league's top scorer. As stated above, how many premier league standard bench warmers are out there and don't go on about Lescott and Dawson because they have both said they're staying put. These guys would be cracking in my opinion. Obviously the inflated price tags are a gamble but I'm not doubting Astori would do a job for us.

We were in for Michu until Swansea signed him for £2m. Two bloody million!!! That's good business.

Dickosfc wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

Dickosfc wrote:

St Retford wrote: GOALAZO! If any Saints fans see reason to moan about this then they're mentally ill. Seriously, have a word with yourselves.

Spot on mate!! People banging on about Premier League experience makes me laugh. Michu didn't have any experience and he's been rubbish isn't he! Only the league's top scorer. As stated above, how many premier league standard bench warmers are out there and don't go on about Lescott and Dawson because they have both said they're staying put. These guys would be cracking in my opinion. Obviously the inflated price tags are a gamble but I'm not doubting Astori would do a job for us.

We were in for Michu until Swansea signed him for £2m. Two bloody million!!! That's good business.

Tell me about it. He's gotta be the buy of the season.

hates the skates wrote:
we aint going to get any of these players because N C is to arogant when it comes to these transfer dealings its all his way or no way, which is why this will drag on all month and then at 10-midnight on the 31-1 were panic buy and end up with worse players than we have already got a shambolic side for the next 10 games and our fellow relegation strugglers will have the edge over us because they have done their buisness early, i was hoping N C would of learned this in the summer, it appears not. its ok when we were signing players from bristol rovers, mk dons, exeter etc. he could bully them into signing on his terms. its a different proposition when you are dealing with top flight sides who wont be bullied, thats why we wont get any of these players and on 31st watch this space...............

.................. i hope i eat my words cause i would love to have these here!!!!!!

hates the skates wrote:
we aint going to get any of these players because N C is to arogant when it comes to these transfer dealings its all his way or no way, which is why this will drag on all month and then at 10-midnight on the 31-1 were panic buy and end up with worse players than we have already got a shambolic side for the next 10 games and our fellow relegation strugglers will have the edge over us because they have done their buisness early, i was hoping N C would of learned this in the summer, it appears not. its ok when we were signing players from bristol rovers, mk dons, exeter etc. he could bully them into signing on his terms. its a different proposition when you are dealing with top flight sides who wont be bullied, thats why we wont get any of these players and on 31st watch this space...............

.................. i hope i eat my words cause i would love to have these here!!!!!!

right back in the bar wrote:

Dickosfc wrote:

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

Dickosfc wrote:

St Retford wrote: GOALAZO! If any Saints fans see reason to moan about this then they're mentally ill. Seriously, have a word with yourselves.

Spot on mate!! People banging on about Premier League experience makes me laugh. Michu didn't have any experience and he's been rubbish isn't he! Only the league's top scorer. As stated above, how many premier league standard bench warmers are out there and don't go on about Lescott and Dawson because they have both said they're staying put. These guys would be cracking in my opinion. Obviously the inflated price tags are a gamble but I'm not doubting Astori would do a job for us.

We were in for Michu until Swansea signed him for £2m. Two bloody million!!! That's good business.

Tell me about it. He's gotta be the buy of the season.

Astori is a must and I believe we will get him. As for the Brazilian - we don't need another number 10 we already have 2. We need a winger and striker to play along side RL.

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

St Retford wrote:
Seedy, that's beautiful but you do know next week's court hearing is only to set a date for another court case further down the road?

It does, however, mean they'll most likely enjoy a whole year in administration which will cause all manner of headaches for them, but it still won't be the end. I think what'll happen is the administrators will cut costs and get rid of players until they're bumping along at the foot of League 1 even without the 10 points deduction and the whole sorry shitstorm will just wither and die through its own irrelevance as even its fans decide it's not worth saving (which, in effect, they've kind of already done anyway).

MEANWHILE, we're lining up two amazing players from Serie A so, you know, it's not all bad news.

Thank you. It took alot of effort and three spliffs to reach that level of creativity :)

I do realise the situation but I'm in it for the longterm, I'm no quitter. I don't want a quick and final solution, we need more, much more than that...

Yes they look handy, let's hope we sign them. Another attacking midfielder to add to our collection. If only we'd sign a keeper, only having four concerns me.

Saintian1885 wrote:
Go to saints sky sports page and u will see that we still have not agreed a deal for astori. We are 4 million off the asking price. This will be another gaston type deal where it will drag on and on. I would love saints to sign him but i am not getting excited. Our transfer activity in the summer was dreadfull (gaston excluded) and i would imagine this month will be no different. If this astori is as good as people say we should pay the 12m. Class players cost double figures and we will not get them on the cheap.

Saintian1885 wrote:
Go to saints sky sports page and u will see that we still have not agreed a deal for astori. We are 4 million off the asking price. This will be another gaston type deal where it will drag on and on. I would love saints to sign him but i am not getting excited. Our transfer activity in the summer was dreadfull (gaston excluded) and i would imagine this month will be no different. If this astori is as good as people say we should pay the 12m. Class players cost double figures and we will not get them on the cheap.

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:

Saintian1885 wrote:
Go to saints sky sports page and u will see that we still have not agreed a deal for astori. We are 4 million off the asking price. This will be another gaston type deal where it will drag on and on. I would love saints to sign him but i am not getting excited. Our transfer activity in the summer was dreadfull (gaston excluded) and i would imagine this month will be no different. If this astori is as good as people say we should pay the 12m. Class players cost double figures and we will not get them on the cheap.

Michu £2m.

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

kent141 wrote:
Clubs take one look at Nigel and add a few million to the transfer fees straight away...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

mbetts wrote:

Rising_Son wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Rising_Son wrote:
One question I have about this is: why is a player that was originally signed €4m and can't get into the team now worth £10m? Surely, we should be able to get him cheaper than that.

now that Fonte is knackered, their asking price would have automatically gone up £2m.... Also remember that its only really the Prem and La Liga that have stupid transfer prices.. the rest of Europe generally have much lower transfer costs....Foreign clubs know about the SKY money obviously and want their slice for signings....

But €4m + £2m still isn't even close to £10m.

I think it might be a bit of creative journalism, there's no way on earth Saints would pay silly money for anybody, not Cortese's style, if we get them it'll be for a fair price which we'll find out about in a year or so's time when they finally release the accounts.

well if you believe the crud about gaston only being used for home games and a "few" away games then we already have paid "silly" money for someone... I happen to think its all bluff and he is still not 100% fit but if the official line is correct then 12M for a part time player was madness imo....

.. however you have no more idea than the rest of us, speculate all you like, the truth is out there, but we may never know for sure.

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

A bit dodgy telling NC what he has to do, unless you fancy horses, the head part that is!

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

Rising_Son wrote:
One question I have about this is: why is a player that was originally signed €4m and can't get into the team now worth £10m? Surely, we should be able to get him cheaper than that.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

kent141 wrote:
Clubs take one look at Nigel and add a few million to the transfer fees straight away...

Your problems dwarf ours what are you going to do to redress them?

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

A bit dodgy telling NC what he has to do, unless you fancy horses, the head part that is!

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

A bit dodgy telling NC what he has to do, unless you fancy horses, the head part that is!

I also think that Nicola isn't as wet behind the negotiating ears as you suggest MGRA. footballing ones yes, but not business ones.

Which suggests he has four ears, two pairs and I'm starting to post like Confuscious..

St Retford wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

A bit dodgy telling NC what he has to do, unless you fancy horses, the head part that is!

I also think that Nicola isn't as wet behind the negotiating ears as you suggest MGRA. footballing ones yes, but not business ones.

Which suggests he has four ears, two pairs and I'm starting to post like Confuscious..

Innit. I reckon Nicola is a born businessman who got into football precisely because he wanted to get to do things like this. I reckon he gets his kicks from negotiating deals, and the higher the stakes the more fun these things are for him. This stuff is a game for him in exactly the same way banging goals in is a game for Rickie.

St Retford wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

A bit dodgy telling NC what he has to do, unless you fancy horses, the head part that is!

I also think that Nicola isn't as wet behind the negotiating ears as you suggest MGRA. footballing ones yes, but not business ones.

Which suggests he has four ears, two pairs and I'm starting to post like Confuscious..

Innit. I reckon Nicola is a born businessman who got into football precisely because he wanted to get to do things like this. I reckon he gets his kicks from negotiating deals, and the higher the stakes the more fun these things are for him. This stuff is a game for him in exactly the same way banging goals in is a game for Rickie.

kent141 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

kent141 wrote:
Clubs take one look at Nigel and add a few million to the transfer fees straight away...

Your problems dwarf ours what are you going to do to redress them?

Ask J7 to redress the dwarf as he stripped him off quicker than Nigel running to the tanning salon for a top up..

SaintMax wrote:

St Retford wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

A bit dodgy telling NC what he has to do, unless you fancy horses, the head part that is!

I also think that Nicola isn't as wet behind the negotiating ears as you suggest MGRA. footballing ones yes, but not business ones.

Which suggests he has four ears, two pairs and I'm starting to post like Confuscious..

Innit. I reckon Nicola is a born businessman who got into football precisely because he wanted to get to do things like this. I reckon he gets his kicks from negotiating deals, and the higher the stakes the more fun these things are for him. This stuff is a game for him in exactly the same way banging goals in is a game for Rickie.

I bet he is a focker across the negotiating table!

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

kent141 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

kent141 wrote:
Clubs take one look at Nigel and add a few million to the transfer fees straight away...

Your problems dwarf ours what are you going to do to redress them?

Ask J7 to redress the dwarf as he stripped him off quicker than Nigel running to the tanning salon for a top up..

Are telling me that you only watched voyeur style? Pull the other one.

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

A bit dodgy telling NC what he has to do, unless you fancy horses, the head part that is!

I also think that Nicola isn't as wet behind the negotiating ears as you suggest MGRA. footballing ones yes, but not business ones.

Which suggests he has four ears, two pairs and I'm starting to post like Confuscious..

MGRA wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

A bit dodgy telling NC what he has to do, unless you fancy horses, the head part that is!

I also think that Nicola isn't as wet behind the negotiating ears as you suggest MGRA. footballing ones yes, but not business ones.

Which suggests he has four ears, two pairs and I'm starting to post like Confuscious..

I am not saying he is wet behind the ears, I am just pointing out something many may have missed... that is the fact that the Italians won't be interested in elastic deals,,, it will be cash up front on most if not all of the deal. Or there won't be a deal. The only ace he may have over others is through contacts he may have access to with information with allows him to massage certain 3rd parties to allow a bit of movement. Italian clubs are in dire straits.

St Retford wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

Well then maybe that's exactly why we set up our mysterious offshore finance "facility"?

MGRA wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

mbetts wrote:

Rising_Son wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Rising_Son wrote:
One question I have about this is: why is a player that was originally signed €4m and can't get into the team now worth £10m? Surely, we should be able to get him cheaper than that.

now that Fonte is knackered, their asking price would have automatically gone up £2m.... Also remember that its only really the Prem and La Liga that have stupid transfer prices.. the rest of Europe generally have much lower transfer costs....Foreign clubs know about the SKY money obviously and want their slice for signings....

But €4m + £2m still isn't even close to £10m.

I think it might be a bit of creative journalism, there's no way on earth Saints would pay silly money for anybody, not Cortese's style, if we get them it'll be for a fair price which we'll find out about in a year or so's time when they finally release the accounts.

well if you believe the crud about gaston only being used for home games and a "few" away games then we already have paid "silly" money for someone... I happen to think its all bluff and he is still not 100% fit but if the official line is correct then 12M for a part time player was madness imo....

.. however you have no more idea than the rest of us, speculate all you like, the truth is out there, but we may never know for sure.

I knew he wasn't fit when others thought he was... or were told he was....

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

mbetts wrote:

Rising_Son wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Rising_Son wrote:
One question I have about this is: why is a player that was originally signed €4m and can't get into the team now worth £10m? Surely, we should be able to get him cheaper than that.

now that Fonte is knackered, their asking price would have automatically gone up £2m.... Also remember that its only really the Prem and La Liga that have stupid transfer prices.. the rest of Europe generally have much lower transfer costs....Foreign clubs know about the SKY money obviously and want their slice for signings....

But €4m + £2m still isn't even close to £10m.

I think it might be a bit of creative journalism, there's no way on earth Saints would pay silly money for anybody, not Cortese's style, if we get them it'll be for a fair price which we'll find out about in a year or so's time when they finally release the accounts.

well if you believe the crud about gaston only being used for home games and a "few" away games then we already have paid "silly" money for someone... I happen to think its all bluff and he is still not 100% fit but if the official line is correct then 12M for a part time player was madness imo....

.. however you have no more idea than the rest of us, speculate all you like, the truth is out there, but we may never know for sure.

I knew he wasn't fit when others thought he was... or were told he was....

MGRA, you know what, I'm worried that you actually believe what you're typing. You really do think you know far more about his fitness than the physios, the management team (headed by an ex-physio in NA) and the medical team who have been able to assess him (with fitness tests, scans and other assessments) non-stop since his injury. By *guessing* what had happened to him you've somehow managed to know far better than that lot.

And your implication in other posts that he's still carrying the injury is probably supported by the fact that he only managed two goals against Arsenal last week.

Look, you made a silly throw-away comment that he wouldn't be back before December and you seem to feel forced to defend it even though it's all looking a bit silly. Frankly, you're looking like a politician defending an utterly discredited policy. Be a man, admit you were utterly wrong and move on.

If it helps, mistakes I've publicly admitted to on here: I hated Guly and now rate him highly; I didn't see the point of Jack Cork until he went missing; I detested Artur Boruc after his first two games yet I'd now pick him out of the three we have. See; not hard, really.

Do move on and drop the scratched record impression...

SaintMax wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

A bit dodgy telling NC what he has to do, unless you fancy horses, the head part that is!

I also think that Nicola isn't as wet behind the negotiating ears as you suggest MGRA. footballing ones yes, but not business ones.

Which suggests he has four ears, two pairs and I'm starting to post like Confuscious..

I am not saying he is wet behind the ears, I am just pointing out something many may have missed... that is the fact that the Italians won't be interested in elastic deals,,, it will be cash up front on most if not all of the deal. Or there won't be a deal. The only ace he may have over others is through contacts he may have access to with information with allows him to massage certain 3rd parties to allow a bit of movement. Italian clubs are in dire straits.

Interestibg point MGRA. I thought you were our medical expert, whereas you also have a penchant for business.

:0)

SaintMax wrote:

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

mbetts wrote:

Rising_Son wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Rising_Son wrote:
One question I have about this is: why is a player that was originally signed €4m and can't get into the team now worth £10m? Surely, we should be able to get him cheaper than that.

now that Fonte is knackered, their asking price would have automatically gone up £2m.... Also remember that its only really the Prem and La Liga that have stupid transfer prices.. the rest of Europe generally have much lower transfer costs....Foreign clubs know about the SKY money obviously and want their slice for signings....

But €4m + £2m still isn't even close to £10m.

I think it might be a bit of creative journalism, there's no way on earth Saints would pay silly money for anybody, not Cortese's style, if we get them it'll be for a fair price which we'll find out about in a year or so's time when they finally release the accounts.

well if you believe the crud about gaston only being used for home games and a "few" away games then we already have paid "silly" money for someone... I happen to think its all bluff and he is still not 100% fit but if the official line is correct then 12M for a part time player was madness imo....

.. however you have no more idea than the rest of us, speculate all you like, the truth is out there, but we may never know for sure.

I knew he wasn't fit when others thought he was... or were told he was....

MGRA, you know what, I'm worried that you actually believe what you're typing. You really do think you know far more about his fitness than the physios, the management team (headed by an ex-physio in NA) and the medical team who have been able to assess him (with fitness tests, scans and other assessments) non-stop since his injury. By *guessing* what had happened to him you've somehow managed to know far better than that lot.

And your implication in other posts that he's still carrying the injury is probably supported by the fact that he only managed two goals against Arsenal last week.

Look, you made a silly throw-away comment that he wouldn't be back before December and you seem to feel forced to defend it even though it's all looking a bit silly. Frankly, you're looking like a politician defending an utterly discredited policy. Be a man, admit you were utterly wrong and move on.

If it helps, mistakes I've publicly admitted to on here: I hated Guly and now rate him highly; I didn't see the point of Jack Cork until he went missing; I detested Artur Boruc after his first two games yet I'd now pick him out of the three we have. See; not hard, really.

Do move on and drop the scratched record impression...

If we are doing confessions I'm Spartacus.

kent141 wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

mbetts wrote:

Rising_Son wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Rising_Son wrote:
One question I have about this is: why is a player that was originally signed €4m and can't get into the team now worth £10m? Surely, we should be able to get him cheaper than that.

now that Fonte is knackered, their asking price would have automatically gone up £2m.... Also remember that its only really the Prem and La Liga that have stupid transfer prices.. the rest of Europe generally have much lower transfer costs....Foreign clubs know about the SKY money obviously and want their slice for signings....

But €4m + £2m still isn't even close to £10m.

I think it might be a bit of creative journalism, there's no way on earth Saints would pay silly money for anybody, not Cortese's style, if we get them it'll be for a fair price which we'll find out about in a year or so's time when they finally release the accounts.

well if you believe the crud about gaston only being used for home games and a "few" away games then we already have paid "silly" money for someone... I happen to think its all bluff and he is still not 100% fit but if the official line is correct then 12M for a part time player was madness imo....

.. however you have no more idea than the rest of us, speculate all you like, the truth is out there, but we may never know for sure.

I knew he wasn't fit when others thought he was... or were told he was....

MGRA, you know what, I'm worried that you actually believe what you're typing. You really do think you know far more about his fitness than the physios, the management team (headed by an ex-physio in NA) and the medical team who have been able to assess him (with fitness tests, scans and other assessments) non-stop since his injury. By *guessing* what had happened to him you've somehow managed to know far better than that lot.

And your implication in other posts that he's still carrying the injury is probably supported by the fact that he only managed two goals against Arsenal last week.

Look, you made a silly throw-away comment that he wouldn't be back before December and you seem to feel forced to defend it even though it's all looking a bit silly. Frankly, you're looking like a politician defending an utterly discredited policy. Be a man, admit you were utterly wrong and move on.

If it helps, mistakes I've publicly admitted to on here: I hated Guly and now rate him highly; I didn't see the point of Jack Cork until he went missing; I detested Artur Boruc after his first two games yet I'd now pick him out of the three we have. See; not hard, really.

Do move on and drop the scratched record impression...

If we are doing confessions I'm Spartacus.

Youre not that saints fan who dressed up as Spartacus for the away game at Brighton and dident come back for three days are you ?

Rising_Son wrote:
One question I have about this is: why is a player that was originally signed €4m and can't get into the team now worth £10m? Surely, we should be able to get him cheaper than that.

kent141 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

kent141 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

kent141 wrote:
Clubs take one look at Nigel and add a few million to the transfer fees straight away...

Your problems dwarf ours what are you going to do to redress them?

Ask J7 to redress the dwarf as he stripped him off quicker than Nigel running to the tanning salon for a top up..

Are telling me that you only watched voyeur style? Pull the other one.

Not my scene at all so i had a couple of quick Shorts there and then went to the pub.

kent141 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

kent141 wrote:
Clubs take one look at Nigel and add a few million to the transfer fees straight away...

Your problems dwarf ours what are you going to do to redress them?

Ask J7 to redress the dwarf as he stripped him off quicker than Nigel running to the tanning salon for a top up..

kent141 wrote:
Poor old Retford, he wasent that bright anyway.....

SaintJD wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

A bit dodgy telling NC what he has to do, unless you fancy horses, the head part that is!

I also think that Nicola isn't as wet behind the negotiating ears as you suggest MGRA. footballing ones yes, but not business ones.

Which suggests he has four ears, two pairs and I'm starting to post like Confuscious..

I am not saying he is wet behind the ears, I am just pointing out something many may have missed... that is the fact that the Italians won't be interested in elastic deals,,, it will be cash up front on most if not all of the deal. Or there won't be a deal. The only ace he may have over others is through contacts he may have access to with information with allows him to massage certain 3rd parties to allow a bit of movement. Italian clubs are in dire straits.

Interestibg point MGRA. I thought you were our medical expert, whereas you also have a penchant for business.

:0)

Let it go guys. It's the new year, time to forget the odd comment made last October. He wouldn't have had to defend it as much if he hadn't had so many people jumping on it.

Anyway, even the so called medical experts said John Terry would be back mid December and I can't remember them apologising for that diagnosis.

MGRA wrote:

SaintJD wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

A bit dodgy telling NC what he has to do, unless you fancy horses, the head part that is!

I also think that Nicola isn't as wet behind the negotiating ears as you suggest MGRA. footballing ones yes, but not business ones.

Which suggests he has four ears, two pairs and I'm starting to post like Confuscious..

I am not saying he is wet behind the ears, I am just pointing out something many may have missed... that is the fact that the Italians won't be interested in elastic deals,,, it will be cash up front on most if not all of the deal. Or there won't be a deal. The only ace he may have over others is through contacts he may have access to with information with allows him to massage certain 3rd parties to allow a bit of movement. Italian clubs are in dire straits.

Interestibg point MGRA. I thought you were our medical expert, whereas you also have a penchant for business.

:0)

Let it go guys. It's the new year, time to forget the odd comment made last October. He wouldn't have had to defend it as much if he hadn't had so many people jumping on it.

Anyway, even the so called medical experts said John Terry would be back mid December and I can't remember them apologising for that diagnosis.

I was proved right on Gaston, he was not fit when he returned ( in fact a million miles away from fitness ) and my source on that one was spot on as usual. The fact he played whilst injured just makes Saints foolish in some peoples opinion. Regards business networks, a mate of mine happens to be involved directly with the champions league sponsorship events and was telling me just how stuffed some of the Italian clubs are.... his particular company was asked to pay up front in September for all colateral sponsorship issues for 2 certain clubs and they politely refused. He also explained that some of the creditors are not financial instutions and under Italian law some of them have greater rights to claw back their "investments"....

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintJD wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

A bit dodgy telling NC what he has to do, unless you fancy horses, the head part that is!

I also think that Nicola isn't as wet behind the negotiating ears as you suggest MGRA. footballing ones yes, but not business ones.

Which suggests he has four ears, two pairs and I'm starting to post like Confuscious..

I am not saying he is wet behind the ears, I am just pointing out something many may have missed... that is the fact that the Italians won't be interested in elastic deals,,, it will be cash up front on most if not all of the deal. Or there won't be a deal. The only ace he may have over others is through contacts he may have access to with information with allows him to massage certain 3rd parties to allow a bit of movement. Italian clubs are in dire straits.

Interestibg point MGRA. I thought you were our medical expert, whereas you also have a penchant for business.

:0)

Let it go guys. It's the new year, time to forget the odd comment made last October. He wouldn't have had to defend it as much if he hadn't had so many people jumping on it.

Anyway, even the so called medical experts said John Terry would be back mid December and I can't remember them apologising for that diagnosis.

I was proved right on Gaston, he was not fit when he returned ( in fact a million miles away from fitness ) and my source on that one was spot on as usual. The fact he played whilst injured just makes Saints foolish in some peoples opinion. Regards business networks, a mate of mine happens to be involved directly with the champions league sponsorship events and was telling me just how stuffed some of the Italian clubs are.... his particular company was asked to pay up front in September for all colateral sponsorship issues for 2 certain clubs and they politely refused. He also explained that some of the creditors are not financial instutions and under Italian law some of them have greater rights to claw back their "investments"....

You are incorrect, Rambo was physically fit when he returned, not match fit, for obvious reasons, his present injury is on the other leg and was picked up in the Arsenal game. No one has disputed that some Italian Clubs are financially strapped, that's why it make sense to approach them for players, but NC will not be taken for a mug, and does not suffer fools gladly. He will fight for the best deal, if that is not fairly available he will walk away.

SaintJD wrote:
Comparing the Michu signing to Ramirez is a bit unfair. For all the Michu's out there there are loads who didn't make it. Virtually every manager in the Premier League is wishing they'd spotted him.

Alan Pardew has certainly had a good run on signings as well and seems their scouting network is pretty good.

That said, there are also loads of very expensive prospects that haven't delivered as well.

For me it's all about having the right person in that scouting role - go out, recruit them for good money and it will save you a lot of money on players in the future.

It's a bit like a formula 1 team investing in top drivers, but not spending a much smaller outlay to get Adrian Newey to design the car.

I'd say that, by and large, the quality of our major signings has been pretty good so far though, bar Lee and Mayuka based on lack of appearances.

J Rod will, I think, develop into a very good player indeed if we can get to play him more regularly, but a difficult balancing act, could almost do with a season banging them in for fun in the Championship.

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
And now, the end is here
And so they face the final curtain
Chainrai, he'll say it clear
He'll state his case, of which he’s certain
He’s lived a life that's full
He’s travelled each and every highway
And more, much more than this, he’ll do it his way

Fans, they had a Few
But then again, too Few to mention
They did not do, what they had to do, without exemption
He planned each charted course, each careful step along the byway
And more, much more than this, they did it his way

Yes, there were times, I'm sure you knew
When they bit off more than they could chew
But through it all, when there was doubt
He ate it up and spat it out
He faced it all and he stood tall and did it his way

We loved, we laughed and cried
We had our fill, at their losing
And now, as tears subside, we find it all so amusing
To think they did all that
And may we say, not in a sly way,
"Oh, no, oh, no, not us, they did it his way"

For what is a skunt, what has he got?
If not a club, then he has naught
To say the things he truly feels are now the words of one who kneels
The record shows they took the blows and did it his way!

Yes, it was his way

MGRA wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintJD wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

A bit dodgy telling NC what he has to do, unless you fancy horses, the head part that is!

I also think that Nicola isn't as wet behind the negotiating ears as you suggest MGRA. footballing ones yes, but not business ones.

Which suggests he has four ears, two pairs and I'm starting to post like Confuscious..

I am not saying he is wet behind the ears, I am just pointing out something many may have missed... that is the fact that the Italians won't be interested in elastic deals,,, it will be cash up front on most if not all of the deal. Or there won't be a deal. The only ace he may have over others is through contacts he may have access to with information with allows him to massage certain 3rd parties to allow a bit of movement. Italian clubs are in dire straits.

Interestibg point MGRA. I thought you were our medical expert, whereas you also have a penchant for business.

:0)

Let it go guys. It's the new year, time to forget the odd comment made last October. He wouldn't have had to defend it as much if he hadn't had so many people jumping on it.

Anyway, even the so called medical experts said John Terry would be back mid December and I can't remember them apologising for that diagnosis.

I was proved right on Gaston, he was not fit when he returned ( in fact a million miles away from fitness ) and my source on that one was spot on as usual. The fact he played whilst injured just makes Saints foolish in some peoples opinion. Regards business networks, a mate of mine happens to be involved directly with the champions league sponsorship events and was telling me just how stuffed some of the Italian clubs are.... his particular company was asked to pay up front in September for all colateral sponsorship issues for 2 certain clubs and they politely refused. He also explained that some of the creditors are not financial instutions and under Italian law some of them have greater rights to claw back their "investments"....

You are incorrect, Rambo was physically fit when he returned, not match fit, for obvious reasons, his present injury is on the other leg and was picked up in the Arsenal game. No one has disputed that some Italian Clubs are financially strapped, that's why it make sense to approach them for players, but NC will not be taken for a mug, and does not suffer fools gladly. He will fight for the best deal, if that is not fairly available he will walk away.

No I am correct. He was not fit to start a game. Anyone who knows a jot about football realised that after 5 minutes. People took my "prediction" literally. I obviously mean't "shouldn't" rather than "won't" but if people get pleasure out of clinging onto semantics then thats great for them. It does not change biology and the spin of the Earth.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintJD wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

A bit dodgy telling NC what he has to do, unless you fancy horses, the head part that is!

I also think that Nicola isn't as wet behind the negotiating ears as you suggest MGRA. footballing ones yes, but not business ones.

Which suggests he has four ears, two pairs and I'm starting to post like Confuscious..

I am not saying he is wet behind the ears, I am just pointing out something many may have missed... that is the fact that the Italians won't be interested in elastic deals,,, it will be cash up front on most if not all of the deal. Or there won't be a deal. The only ace he may have over others is through contacts he may have access to with information with allows him to massage certain 3rd parties to allow a bit of movement. Italian clubs are in dire straits.

Interestibg point MGRA. I thought you were our medical expert, whereas you also have a penchant for business.

:0)

Let it go guys. It's the new year, time to forget the odd comment made last October. He wouldn't have had to defend it as much if he hadn't had so many people jumping on it.

Anyway, even the so called medical experts said John Terry would be back mid December and I can't remember them apologising for that diagnosis.

I was proved right on Gaston, he was not fit when he returned ( in fact a million miles away from fitness ) and my source on that one was spot on as usual. The fact he played whilst injured just makes Saints foolish in some peoples opinion. Regards business networks, a mate of mine happens to be involved directly with the champions league sponsorship events and was telling me just how stuffed some of the Italian clubs are.... his particular company was asked to pay up front in September for all colateral sponsorship issues for 2 certain clubs and they politely refused. He also explained that some of the creditors are not financial instutions and under Italian law some of them have greater rights to claw back their "investments"....

You are incorrect, Rambo was physically fit when he returned, not match fit, for obvious reasons, his present injury is on the other leg and was picked up in the Arsenal game. No one has disputed that some Italian Clubs are financially strapped, that's why it make sense to approach them for players, but NC will not be taken for a mug, and does not suffer fools gladly. He will fight for the best deal, if that is not fairly available he will walk away.

No I am correct. He was not fit to start a game. Anyone who knows a jot about football realised that after 5 minutes. People took my "prediction" literally. I obviously mean't "shouldn't" rather than "won't" but if people get pleasure out of clinging onto semantics then thats great for them. It does not change biology and the spin of the Earth.

Are you saying that they were after another payment from Injury Lawyers For You? I cannot imagine a Club forcing a £12m investment to play if he wasn't fit to do so. However I have been told I know nothing about football so like Rambo I haven't a leg to stand on

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintJD wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

A bit dodgy telling NC what he has to do, unless you fancy horses, the head part that is!

I also think that Nicola isn't as wet behind the negotiating ears as you suggest MGRA. footballing ones yes, but not business ones.

Which suggests he has four ears, two pairs and I'm starting to post like Confuscious..

I am not saying he is wet behind the ears, I am just pointing out something many may have missed... that is the fact that the Italians won't be interested in elastic deals,,, it will be cash up front on most if not all of the deal. Or there won't be a deal. The only ace he may have over others is through contacts he may have access to with information with allows him to massage certain 3rd parties to allow a bit of movement. Italian clubs are in dire straits.

Interestibg point MGRA. I thought you were our medical expert, whereas you also have a penchant for business.

:0)

Let it go guys. It's the new year, time to forget the odd comment made last October. He wouldn't have had to defend it as much if he hadn't had so many people jumping on it.

Anyway, even the so called medical experts said John Terry would be back mid December and I can't remember them apologising for that diagnosis.

I was proved right on Gaston, he was not fit when he returned ( in fact a million miles away from fitness ) and my source on that one was spot on as usual. The fact he played whilst injured just makes Saints foolish in some peoples opinion. Regards business networks, a mate of mine happens to be involved directly with the champions league sponsorship events and was telling me just how stuffed some of the Italian clubs are.... his particular company was asked to pay up front in September for all colateral sponsorship issues for 2 certain clubs and they politely refused. He also explained that some of the creditors are not financial instutions and under Italian law some of them have greater rights to claw back their "investments"....

You are incorrect, Rambo was physically fit when he returned, not match fit, for obvious reasons, his present injury is on the other leg and was picked up in the Arsenal game. No one has disputed that some Italian Clubs are financially strapped, that's why it make sense to approach them for players, but NC will not be taken for a mug, and does not suffer fools gladly. He will fight for the best deal, if that is not fairly available he will walk away.

No I am correct. He was not fit to start a game. Anyone who knows a jot about football realised that after 5 minutes. People took my "prediction" literally. I obviously mean't "shouldn't" rather than "won't" but if people get pleasure out of clinging onto semantics then thats great for them. It does not change biology and the spin of the Earth.

Are you saying that they were after another payment from Injury Lawyers For You? I cannot imagine a Club forcing a £12m investment to play if he wasn't fit to do so. However I have been told I know nothing about football so like Rambo I haven't a leg to stand on

MGRA wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintJD wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

A bit dodgy telling NC what he has to do, unless you fancy horses, the head part that is!

I also think that Nicola isn't as wet behind the negotiating ears as you suggest MGRA. footballing ones yes, but not business ones.

Which suggests he has four ears, two pairs and I'm starting to post like Confuscious..

I am not saying he is wet behind the ears, I am just pointing out something many may have missed... that is the fact that the Italians won't be interested in elastic deals,,, it will be cash up front on most if not all of the deal. Or there won't be a deal. The only ace he may have over others is through contacts he may have access to with information with allows him to massage certain 3rd parties to allow a bit of movement. Italian clubs are in dire straits.

Interestibg point MGRA. I thought you were our medical expert, whereas you also have a penchant for business.

:0)

Let it go guys. It's the new year, time to forget the odd comment made last October. He wouldn't have had to defend it as much if he hadn't had so many people jumping on it.

Anyway, even the so called medical experts said John Terry would be back mid December and I can't remember them apologising for that diagnosis.

I was proved right on Gaston, he was not fit when he returned ( in fact a million miles away from fitness ) and my source on that one was spot on as usual. The fact he played whilst injured just makes Saints foolish in some peoples opinion. Regards business networks, a mate of mine happens to be involved directly with the champions league sponsorship events and was telling me just how stuffed some of the Italian clubs are.... his particular company was asked to pay up front in September for all colateral sponsorship issues for 2 certain clubs and they politely refused. He also explained that some of the creditors are not financial instutions and under Italian law some of them have greater rights to claw back their "investments"....

You are incorrect, Rambo was physically fit when he returned, not match fit, for obvious reasons, his present injury is on the other leg and was picked up in the Arsenal game. No one has disputed that some Italian Clubs are financially strapped, that's why it make sense to approach them for players, but NC will not be taken for a mug, and does not suffer fools gladly. He will fight for the best deal, if that is not fairly available he will walk away.

No I am correct. He was not fit to start a game. Anyone who knows a jot about football realised that after 5 minutes. People took my "prediction" literally. I obviously mean't "shouldn't" rather than "won't" but if people get pleasure out of clinging onto semantics then thats great for them. It does not change biology and the spin of the Earth.

Are you saying that they were after another payment from Injury Lawyers For You? I cannot imagine a Club forcing a £12m investment to play if he wasn't fit to do so. However I have been told I know nothing about football so like Rambo I haven't a leg to stand on

I am of the opinion it was amateurish to rush him back and play him in that game. Footballers are the most suseptible to secondary injury and recovery retardation with that sort of injury. Rugby players for instance had a simply code for severe dead leg recovery and the timescale for them is usually 3-4 weeks. Many use the ice-knee90degree-tra

in method that has worked well for decades. Footballers on the other hand are more prone to other muscles protecting the injury due to the nature of the game and its common for footballers who return too soon following deadlegs, hairline fractures and muscle tears to go onto get secondary problems, hamstrings being one. Barca and other European clubs use a technique called "intra-muscular electrotherapy" to speed up recovery. Its something I had once on an injury and this technique can accurately measure nerve-repair in such injuries. I have heard that many top flight English clubs are not as thorough in this area.

mack chinnon wrote:

SaintJD wrote:
Comparing the Michu signing to Ramirez is a bit unfair. For all the Michu's out there there are loads who didn't make it. Virtually every manager in the Premier League is wishing they'd spotted him.

Alan Pardew has certainly had a good run on signings as well and seems their scouting network is pretty good.

That said, there are also loads of very expensive prospects that haven't delivered as well.

For me it's all about having the right person in that scouting role - go out, recruit them for good money and it will save you a lot of money on players in the future.

It's a bit like a formula 1 team investing in top drivers, but not spending a much smaller outlay to get Adrian Newey to design the car.

I'd say that, by and large, the quality of our major signings has been pretty good so far though, bar Lee and Mayuka based on lack of appearances.

J Rod will, I think, develop into a very good player indeed if we can get to play him more regularly, but a difficult balancing act, could almost do with a season banging them in for fun in the Championship.

Hows Jadi doing? Its all gone quiet over there.

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OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintJD wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

A bit dodgy telling NC what he has to do, unless you fancy horses, the head part that is!

I also think that Nicola isn't as wet behind the negotiating ears as you suggest MGRA. footballing ones yes, but not business ones.

Which suggests he has four ears, two pairs and I'm starting to post like Confuscious..

I am not saying he is wet behind the ears, I am just pointing out something many may have missed... that is the fact that the Italians won't be interested in elastic deals,,, it will be cash up front on most if not all of the deal. Or there won't be a deal. The only ace he may have over others is through contacts he may have access to with information with allows him to massage certain 3rd parties to allow a bit of movement. Italian clubs are in dire straits.

Interestibg point MGRA. I thought you were our medical expert, whereas you also have a penchant for business.

:0)

Let it go guys. It's the new year, time to forget the odd comment made last October. He wouldn't have had to defend it as much if he hadn't had so many people jumping on it.

Anyway, even the so called medical experts said John Terry would be back mid December and I can't remember them apologising for that diagnosis.

I was proved right on Gaston, he was not fit when he returned ( in fact a million miles away from fitness ) and my source on that one was spot on as usual. The fact he played whilst injured just makes Saints foolish in some peoples opinion. Regards business networks, a mate of mine happens to be involved directly with the champions league sponsorship events and was telling me just how stuffed some of the Italian clubs are.... his particular company was asked to pay up front in September for all colateral sponsorship issues for 2 certain clubs and they politely refused. He also explained that some of the creditors are not financial instutions and under Italian law some of them have greater rights to claw back their "investments"....

You are incorrect, Rambo was physically fit when he returned, not match fit, for obvious reasons, his present injury is on the other leg and was picked up in the Arsenal game. No one has disputed that some Italian Clubs are financially strapped, that's why it make sense to approach them for players, but NC will not be taken for a mug, and does not suffer fools gladly. He will fight for the best deal, if that is not fairly available he will walk away.

No I am correct. He was not fit to start a game. Anyone who knows a jot about football realised that after 5 minutes. People took my "prediction" literally. I obviously mean't "shouldn't" rather than "won't" but if people get pleasure out of clinging onto semantics then thats great for them. It does not change biology and the spin of the Earth.

Are you saying that they were after another payment from Injury Lawyers For You? I cannot imagine a Club forcing a £12m investment to play if he wasn't fit to do so. However I have been told I know nothing about football so like Rambo I haven't a leg to stand on

Nicole23 wrote:
Thread being hogged by Ospreysaint boring everyone to death as usual

Confucious wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintJD wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

A bit dodgy telling NC what he has to do, unless you fancy horses, the head part that is!

I also think that Nicola isn't as wet behind the negotiating ears as you suggest MGRA. footballing ones yes, but not business ones.

Which suggests he has four ears, two pairs and I'm starting to post like Confuscious..

I am not saying he is wet behind the ears, I am just pointing out something many may have missed... that is the fact that the Italians won't be interested in elastic deals,,, it will be cash up front on most if not all of the deal. Or there won't be a deal. The only ace he may have over others is through contacts he may have access to with information with allows him to massage certain 3rd parties to allow a bit of movement. Italian clubs are in dire straits.

Interestibg point MGRA. I thought you were our medical expert, whereas you also have a penchant for business.

:0)

Let it go guys. It's the new year, time to forget the odd comment made last October. He wouldn't have had to defend it as much if he hadn't had so many people jumping on it.

Anyway, even the so called medical experts said John Terry would be back mid December and I can't remember them apologising for that diagnosis.

I was proved right on Gaston, he was not fit when he returned ( in fact a million miles away from fitness ) and my source on that one was spot on as usual. The fact he played whilst injured just makes Saints foolish in some peoples opinion. Regards business networks, a mate of mine happens to be involved directly with the champions league sponsorship events and was telling me just how stuffed some of the Italian clubs are.... his particular company was asked to pay up front in September for all colateral sponsorship issues for 2 certain clubs and they politely refused. He also explained that some of the creditors are not financial instutions and under Italian law some of them have greater rights to claw back their "investments"....

You are incorrect, Rambo was physically fit when he returned, not match fit, for obvious reasons, his present injury is on the other leg and was picked up in the Arsenal game. No one has disputed that some Italian Clubs are financially strapped, that's why it make sense to approach them for players, but NC will not be taken for a mug, and does not suffer fools gladly. He will fight for the best deal, if that is not fairly available he will walk away.

No I am correct. He was not fit to start a game. Anyone who knows a jot about football realised that after 5 minutes. People took my "prediction" literally. I obviously mean't "shouldn't" rather than "won't" but if people get pleasure out of clinging onto semantics then thats great for them. It does not change biology and the spin of the Earth.

Are you saying that they were after another payment from Injury Lawyers For You? I cannot imagine a Club forcing a £12m investment to play if he wasn't fit to do so. However I have been told I know nothing about football so like Rambo I haven't a leg to stand on

The problem is almost certainly with the club doctor. I e mailed him after Christmas for advice as I was feeling very bloated. He told me I needed to clear my system out and should sit on a big piece of cheese and swallow a mouse.

This actually made me a lot worse.

Full marks for replying though. Nigel just pinches all my ideas with no acknowledgement at all.

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintJD wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

A bit dodgy telling NC what he has to do, unless you fancy horses, the head part that is!

I also think that Nicola isn't as wet behind the negotiating ears as you suggest MGRA. footballing ones yes, but not business ones.

Which suggests he has four ears, two pairs and I'm starting to post like Confuscious..

I am not saying he is wet behind the ears, I am just pointing out something many may have missed... that is the fact that the Italians won't be interested in elastic deals,,, it will be cash up front on most if not all of the deal. Or there won't be a deal. The only ace he may have over others is through contacts he may have access to with information with allows him to massage certain 3rd parties to allow a bit of movement. Italian clubs are in dire straits.

Interestibg point MGRA. I thought you were our medical expert, whereas you also have a penchant for business.

:0)

Let it go guys. It's the new year, time to forget the odd comment made last October. He wouldn't have had to defend it as much if he hadn't had so many people jumping on it.

Anyway, even the so called medical experts said John Terry would be back mid December and I can't remember them apologising for that diagnosis.

I was proved right on Gaston, he was not fit when he returned ( in fact a million miles away from fitness ) and my source on that one was spot on as usual. The fact he played whilst injured just makes Saints foolish in some peoples opinion. Regards business networks, a mate of mine happens to be involved directly with the champions league sponsorship events and was telling me just how stuffed some of the Italian clubs are.... his particular company was asked to pay up front in September for all colateral sponsorship issues for 2 certain clubs and they politely refused. He also explained that some of the creditors are not financial instutions and under Italian law some of them have greater rights to claw back their "investments"....

You are incorrect, Rambo was physically fit when he returned, not match fit, for obvious reasons, his present injury is on the other leg and was picked up in the Arsenal game. No one has disputed that some Italian Clubs are financially strapped, that's why it make sense to approach them for players, but NC will not be taken for a mug, and does not suffer fools gladly. He will fight for the best deal, if that is not fairly available he will walk away.

No I am correct. He was not fit to start a game. Anyone who knows a jot about football realised that after 5 minutes. People took my "prediction" literally. I obviously mean't "shouldn't" rather than "won't" but if people get pleasure out of clinging onto semantics then thats great for them. It does not change biology and the spin of the Earth.

Are you saying that they were after another payment from Injury Lawyers For You? I cannot imagine a Club forcing a £12m investment to play if he wasn't fit to do so. However I have been told I know nothing about football so like Rambo I haven't a leg to stand on

Well, this is all a lot more interesting than yesterday's tit-for-tat drose with Kuntyboy but I think it's now run its course. MGRA won't budge because 'he's right' and those of us who think differently will never accept that because 'he's wrong'.

'shouldn't' or 'won't'? Well, model verb usage is somewhat weird really. I have a lot of difficulty explaining to the French that 'must' is a strong obligation, whereas 'have to' is generally a bit softer. Then I tell them about this fantastic footballer who scored shedloads of great goals a few years ago - 'You MUST watch Le Tissier's best goals on You Tube.'

Well, most of them think it's their homework and they'll get b0ll0cked if they aren't able to describe how Le Tiss jinxed his way past four Blackburn players before passing the ball 40 yards past Tim Flowers into the top corner. Then I explain that the use of MUST is a wee bit stupid, especially when I add that the negatives are completely different.

Anyway, let's accept that Ramirez or anyone else SHOULDN'T play when it COULD worsen things for the player and/or club .

For what it's worth, on this thread, when he's not trying to defend his stance on Ramirez, and given that he hasn't so far called those who take a different point of view 'idiots', he's made some interesting points about Italian Football's financial poo!

Perhaps EUFA could start a new league for all the teams who won't survive the current crisis. They could call it the 'Europa Premier-in-the-sh!t League. Any ideas as to who could be among the founding members?

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Confucious wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintJD wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

A bit dodgy telling NC what he has to do, unless you fancy horses, the head part that is!

I also think that Nicola isn't as wet behind the negotiating ears as you suggest MGRA. footballing ones yes, but not business ones.

Which suggests he has four ears, two pairs and I'm starting to post like Confuscious..

I am not saying he is wet behind the ears, I am just pointing out something many may have missed... that is the fact that the Italians won't be interested in elastic deals,,, it will be cash up front on most if not all of the deal. Or there won't be a deal. The only ace he may have over others is through contacts he may have access to with information with allows him to massage certain 3rd parties to allow a bit of movement. Italian clubs are in dire straits.

Interestibg point MGRA. I thought you were our medical expert, whereas you also have a penchant for business.

:0)

Let it go guys. It's the new year, time to forget the odd comment made last October. He wouldn't have had to defend it as much if he hadn't had so many people jumping on it.

Anyway, even the so called medical experts said John Terry would be back mid December and I can't remember them apologising for that diagnosis.

I was proved right on Gaston, he was not fit when he returned ( in fact a million miles away from fitness ) and my source on that one was spot on as usual. The fact he played whilst injured just makes Saints foolish in some peoples opinion. Regards business networks, a mate of mine happens to be involved directly with the champions league sponsorship events and was telling me just how stuffed some of the Italian clubs are.... his particular company was asked to pay up front in September for all colateral sponsorship issues for 2 certain clubs and they politely refused. He also explained that some of the creditors are not financial instutions and under Italian law some of them have greater rights to claw back their "investments"....

You are incorrect, Rambo was physically fit when he returned, not match fit, for obvious reasons, his present injury is on the other leg and was picked up in the Arsenal game. No one has disputed that some Italian Clubs are financially strapped, that's why it make sense to approach them for players, but NC will not be taken for a mug, and does not suffer fools gladly. He will fight for the best deal, if that is not fairly available he will walk away.

No I am correct. He was not fit to start a game. Anyone who knows a jot about football realised that after 5 minutes. People took my "prediction" literally. I obviously mean't "shouldn't" rather than "won't" but if people get pleasure out of clinging onto semantics then thats great for them. It does not change biology and the spin of the Earth.

Are you saying that they were after another payment from Injury Lawyers For You? I cannot imagine a Club forcing a £12m investment to play if he wasn't fit to do so. However I have been told I know nothing about football so like Rambo I haven't a leg to stand on

The problem is almost certainly with the club doctor. I e mailed him after Christmas for advice as I was feeling very bloated. He told me I needed to clear my system out and should sit on a big piece of cheese and swallow a mouse.

This actually made me a lot worse.

Full marks for replying though. Nigel just pinches all my ideas with no acknowledgement at all.

You should be careful about the choice of cheese to sit on though, some can be quite messy. You should copyright those ideas before you send them.

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Confucious wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintJD wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

A bit dodgy telling NC what he has to do, unless you fancy horses, the head part that is!

I also think that Nicola isn't as wet behind the negotiating ears as you suggest MGRA. footballing ones yes, but not business ones.

Which suggests he has four ears, two pairs and I'm starting to post like Confuscious..

I am not saying he is wet behind the ears, I am just pointing out something many may have missed... that is the fact that the Italians won't be interested in elastic deals,,, it will be cash up front on most if not all of the deal. Or there won't be a deal. The only ace he may have over others is through contacts he may have access to with information with allows him to massage certain 3rd parties to allow a bit of movement. Italian clubs are in dire straits.

Interestibg point MGRA. I thought you were our medical expert, whereas you also have a penchant for business.

:0)

Let it go guys. It's the new year, time to forget the odd comment made last October. He wouldn't have had to defend it as much if he hadn't had so many people jumping on it.

Anyway, even the so called medical experts said John Terry would be back mid December and I can't remember them apologising for that diagnosis.

I was proved right on Gaston, he was not fit when he returned ( in fact a million miles away from fitness ) and my source on that one was spot on as usual. The fact he played whilst injured just makes Saints foolish in some peoples opinion. Regards business networks, a mate of mine happens to be involved directly with the champions league sponsorship events and was telling me just how stuffed some of the Italian clubs are.... his particular company was asked to pay up front in September for all colateral sponsorship issues for 2 certain clubs and they politely refused. He also explained that some of the creditors are not financial instutions and under Italian law some of them have greater rights to claw back their "investments"....

You are incorrect, Rambo was physically fit when he returned, not match fit, for obvious reasons, his present injury is on the other leg and was picked up in the Arsenal game. No one has disputed that some Italian Clubs are financially strapped, that's why it make sense to approach them for players, but NC will not be taken for a mug, and does not suffer fools gladly. He will fight for the best deal, if that is not fairly available he will walk away.

No I am correct. He was not fit to start a game. Anyone who knows a jot about football realised that after 5 minutes. People took my "prediction" literally. I obviously mean't "shouldn't" rather than "won't" but if people get pleasure out of clinging onto semantics then thats great for them. It does not change biology and the spin of the Earth.

Are you saying that they were after another payment from Injury Lawyers For You? I cannot imagine a Club forcing a £12m investment to play if he wasn't fit to do so. However I have been told I know nothing about football so like Rambo I haven't a leg to stand on

The problem is almost certainly with the club doctor. I e mailed him after Christmas for advice as I was feeling very bloated. He told me I needed to clear my system out and should sit on a big piece of cheese and swallow a mouse.

This actually made me a lot worse.

Full marks for replying though. Nigel just pinches all my ideas with no acknowledgement at all.

You should be careful about the choice of cheese to sit on though, some can be quite messy. You should copyright those ideas before you send them.

before we get off this topic can you confirm whether the cheese needs to be inserted simultaneoulsy while swallowing the mouse?
MGRA any views?

MGRA wrote:

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintJD wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

A bit dodgy telling NC what he has to do, unless you fancy horses, the head part that is!

I also think that Nicola isn't as wet behind the negotiating ears as you suggest MGRA. footballing ones yes, but not business ones.

Which suggests he has four ears, two pairs and I'm starting to post like Confuscious..

I am not saying he is wet behind the ears, I am just pointing out something many may have missed... that is the fact that the Italians won't be interested in elastic deals,,, it will be cash up front on most if not all of the deal. Or there won't be a deal. The only ace he may have over others is through contacts he may have access to with information with allows him to massage certain 3rd parties to allow a bit of movement. Italian clubs are in dire straits.

Interestibg point MGRA. I thought you were our medical expert, whereas you also have a penchant for business.

:0)

Let it go guys. It's the new year, time to forget the odd comment made last October. He wouldn't have had to defend it as much if he hadn't had so many people jumping on it.

Anyway, even the so called medical experts said John Terry would be back mid December and I can't remember them apologising for that diagnosis.

I was proved right on Gaston, he was not fit when he returned ( in fact a million miles away from fitness ) and my source on that one was spot on as usual. The fact he played whilst injured just makes Saints foolish in some peoples opinion. Regards business networks, a mate of mine happens to be involved directly with the champions league sponsorship events and was telling me just how stuffed some of the Italian clubs are.... his particular company was asked to pay up front in September for all colateral sponsorship issues for 2 certain clubs and they politely refused. He also explained that some of the creditors are not financial instutions and under Italian law some of them have greater rights to claw back their "investments"....

You are incorrect, Rambo was physically fit when he returned, not match fit, for obvious reasons, his present injury is on the other leg and was picked up in the Arsenal game. No one has disputed that some Italian Clubs are financially strapped, that's why it make sense to approach them for players, but NC will not be taken for a mug, and does not suffer fools gladly. He will fight for the best deal, if that is not fairly available he will walk away.

No I am correct. He was not fit to start a game. Anyone who knows a jot about football realised that after 5 minutes. People took my "prediction" literally. I obviously mean't "shouldn't" rather than "won't" but if people get pleasure out of clinging onto semantics then thats great for them. It does not change biology and the spin of the Earth.

Are you saying that they were after another payment from Injury Lawyers For You? I cannot imagine a Club forcing a £12m investment to play if he wasn't fit to do so. However I have been told I know nothing about football so like Rambo I haven't a leg to stand on

Well, this is all a lot more interesting than yesterday's tit-for-tat drose with Kuntyboy but I think it's now run its course. MGRA won't budge because 'he's right' and those of us who think differently will never accept that because 'he's wrong'.

'shouldn't' or 'won't'? Well, model verb usage is somewhat weird really. I have a lot of difficulty explaining to the French that 'must' is a strong obligation, whereas 'have to' is generally a bit softer. Then I tell them about this fantastic footballer who scored shedloads of great goals a few years ago - 'You MUST watch Le Tissier's best goals on You Tube.'

Well, most of them think it's their homework and they'll get b0ll0cked if they aren't able to describe how Le Tiss jinxed his way past four Blackburn players before passing the ball 40 yards past Tim Flowers into the top corner. Then I explain that the use of MUST is a wee bit stupid, especially when I add that the negatives are completely different.

Anyway, let's accept that Ramirez or anyone else SHOULDN'T play when it COULD worsen things for the player and/or club .

For what it's worth, on this thread, when he's not trying to defend his stance on Ramirez, and given that he hasn't so far called those who take a different point of view 'idiots', he's made some interesting points about Italian Football's financial poo!

Perhaps EUFA could start a new league for all the teams who won't survive the current crisis. They could call it the 'Europa Premier-in-the-sh!t League. Any ideas as to who could be among the founding members?

I was wrong in that he played but I am convinced I am right in that he was not fit to. so shall we end it there !? Regards 'idiots' , many people say anyone that pays £40 to watch professional footballers played by people on £50,000 a week is an 'idiot' by the very definition of the word ;o) And back to italy, there are two clubs in Italy on the brink of extinction but my buddy-in-the-know won't tell details other than they have 3 months to find about 80 million euros...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintJD wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

A bit dodgy telling NC what he has to do, unless you fancy horses, the head part that is!

I also think that Nicola isn't as wet behind the negotiating ears as you suggest MGRA. footballing ones yes, but not business ones.

Which suggests he has four ears, two pairs and I'm starting to post like Confuscious..

I am not saying he is wet behind the ears, I am just pointing out something many may have missed... that is the fact that the Italians won't be interested in elastic deals,,, it will be cash up front on most if not all of the deal. Or there won't be a deal. The only ace he may have over others is through contacts he may have access to with information with allows him to massage certain 3rd parties to allow a bit of movement. Italian clubs are in dire straits.

Interestibg point MGRA. I thought you were our medical expert, whereas you also have a penchant for business.

:0)

Let it go guys. It's the new year, time to forget the odd comment made last October. He wouldn't have had to defend it as much if he hadn't had so many people jumping on it.

Anyway, even the so called medical experts said John Terry would be back mid December and I can't remember them apologising for that diagnosis.

I was proved right on Gaston, he was not fit when he returned ( in fact a million miles away from fitness ) and my source on that one was spot on as usual. The fact he played whilst injured just makes Saints foolish in some peoples opinion. Regards business networks, a mate of mine happens to be involved directly with the champions league sponsorship events and was telling me just how stuffed some of the Italian clubs are.... his particular company was asked to pay up front in September for all colateral sponsorship issues for 2 certain clubs and they politely refused. He also explained that some of the creditors are not financial instutions and under Italian law some of them have greater rights to claw back their "investments"....

You are incorrect, Rambo was physically fit when he returned, not match fit, for obvious reasons, his present injury is on the other leg and was picked up in the Arsenal game. No one has disputed that some Italian Clubs are financially strapped, that's why it make sense to approach them for players, but NC will not be taken for a mug, and does not suffer fools gladly. He will fight for the best deal, if that is not fairly available he will walk away.

No I am correct. He was not fit to start a game. Anyone who knows a jot about football realised that after 5 minutes. People took my "prediction" literally. I obviously mean't "shouldn't" rather than "won't" but if people get pleasure out of clinging onto semantics then thats great for them. It does not change biology and the spin of the Earth.

Are you saying that they were after another payment from Injury Lawyers For You? I cannot imagine a Club forcing a £12m investment to play if he wasn't fit to do so. However I have been told I know nothing about football so like Rambo I haven't a leg to stand on

I am of the opinion it was amateurish to rush him back and play him in that game. Footballers are the most suseptible to secondary injury and recovery retardation with that sort of injury. Rugby players for instance had a simply code for severe dead leg recovery and the timescale for them is usually 3-4 weeks. Many use the ice-knee90degree-tra


in method that has worked well for decades. Footballers on the other hand are more prone to other muscles protecting the injury due to the nature of the game and its common for footballers who return too soon following deadlegs, hairline fractures and muscle tears to go onto get secondary problems, hamstrings being one. Barca and other European clubs use a technique called "intra-muscular electrotherapy" to speed up recovery. Its something I had once on an injury and this technique can accurately measure nerve-repair in such injuries. I have heard that many top flight English clubs are not as thorough in this area.

That's better it's just your opinion, not fact.

SaintMax wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintJD wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

A bit dodgy telling NC what he has to do, unless you fancy horses, the head part that is!

I also think that Nicola isn't as wet behind the negotiating ears as you suggest MGRA. footballing ones yes, but not business ones.

Which suggests he has four ears, two pairs and I'm starting to post like Confuscious..

I am not saying he is wet behind the ears, I am just pointing out something many may have missed... that is the fact that the Italians won't be interested in elastic deals,,, it will be cash up front on most if not all of the deal. Or there won't be a deal. The only ace he may have over others is through contacts he may have access to with information with allows him to massage certain 3rd parties to allow a bit of movement. Italian clubs are in dire straits.

Interestibg point MGRA. I thought you were our medical expert, whereas you also have a penchant for business.

:0)

Let it go guys. It's the new year, time to forget the odd comment made last October. He wouldn't have had to defend it as much if he hadn't had so many people jumping on it.

Anyway, even the so called medical experts said John Terry would be back mid December and I can't remember them apologising for that diagnosis.

I was proved right on Gaston, he was not fit when he returned ( in fact a million miles away from fitness ) and my source on that one was spot on as usual. The fact he played whilst injured just makes Saints foolish in some peoples opinion. Regards business networks, a mate of mine happens to be involved directly with the champions league sponsorship events and was telling me just how stuffed some of the Italian clubs are.... his particular company was asked to pay up front in September for all colateral sponsorship issues for 2 certain clubs and they politely refused. He also explained that some of the creditors are not financial instutions and under Italian law some of them have greater rights to claw back their "investments"....

You are incorrect, Rambo was physically fit when he returned, not match fit, for obvious reasons, his present injury is on the other leg and was picked up in the Arsenal game. No one has disputed that some Italian Clubs are financially strapped, that's why it make sense to approach them for players, but NC will not be taken for a mug, and does not suffer fools gladly. He will fight for the best deal, if that is not fairly available he will walk away.

No I am correct. He was not fit to start a game. Anyone who knows a jot about football realised that after 5 minutes. People took my "prediction" literally. I obviously mean't "shouldn't" rather than "won't" but if people get pleasure out of clinging onto semantics then thats great for them. It does not change biology and the spin of the Earth.

Are you saying that they were after another payment from Injury Lawyers For You? I cannot imagine a Club forcing a £12m investment to play if he wasn't fit to do so. However I have been told I know nothing about football so like Rambo I haven't a leg to stand on

Well, this is all a lot more interesting than yesterday's tit-for-tat drose with Kuntyboy but I think it's now run its course. MGRA won't budge because 'he's right' and those of us who think differently will never accept that because 'he's wrong'.

'shouldn't' or 'won't'? Well, model verb usage is somewhat weird really. I have a lot of difficulty explaining to the French that 'must' is a strong obligation, whereas 'have to' is generally a bit softer. Then I tell them about this fantastic footballer who scored shedloads of great goals a few years ago - 'You MUST watch Le Tissier's best goals on You Tube.'

Well, most of them think it's their homework and they'll get b0ll0cked if they aren't able to describe how Le Tiss jinxed his way past four Blackburn players before passing the ball 40 yards past Tim Flowers into the top corner. Then I explain that the use of MUST is a wee bit stupid, especially when I add that the negatives are completely different.

Anyway, let's accept that Ramirez or anyone else SHOULDN'T play when it COULD worsen things for the player and/or club .

For what it's worth, on this thread, when he's not trying to defend his stance on Ramirez, and given that he hasn't so far called those who take a different point of view 'idiots', he's made some interesting points about Italian Football's financial poo!

Perhaps EUFA could start a new league for all the teams who won't survive the current crisis. They could call it the 'Europa Premier-in-the-sh!t League. Any ideas as to who could be among the founding members?

I was wrong in that he played but I am convinced I am right in that he was not fit to. so shall we end it there !? Regards 'idiots' , many people say anyone that pays £40 to watch professional footballers played by people on £50,000 a week is an 'idiot' by the very definition of the word ;o) And back to italy, there are two clubs in Italy on the brink of extinction but my buddy-in-the-know won't tell details other than they have 3 months to find about 80 million euros...

with all due respect, if your buddy-in-the-know knows about two clubs on the brink of extinction it wouldnt be that hard to find out? Perhaps the Italian 'Companieso Houso' would have their latest figures.
Surely telling you isnt going to push them over the edge?
Its all pasta joke if you ask me.

SaintMax wrote:
Jusr read that AC Milan may highjack the Astori deal and sign him up.

SaintMax wrote:
Jusr read that AC Milan may highjack the Astori deal and sign him up.

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

SaintMax wrote:
Jusr read that AC Milan may highjack the Astori deal and sign him up.

Then it'll come down to how hot his WAG is. He'd be mad to sign for Berlusconi if she's going to attract his outstreched 'welcome'.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintJD wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

A bit dodgy telling NC what he has to do, unless you fancy horses, the head part that is!

I also think that Nicola isn't as wet behind the negotiating ears as you suggest MGRA. footballing ones yes, but not business ones.

Which suggests he has four ears, two pairs and I'm starting to post like Confuscious..

I am not saying he is wet behind the ears, I am just pointing out something many may have missed... that is the fact that the Italians won't be interested in elastic deals,,, it will be cash up front on most if not all of the deal. Or there won't be a deal. The only ace he may have over others is through contacts he may have access to with information with allows him to massage certain 3rd parties to allow a bit of movement. Italian clubs are in dire straits.

Interestibg point MGRA. I thought you were our medical expert, whereas you also have a penchant for business.

:0)

Let it go guys. It's the new year, time to forget the odd comment made last October. He wouldn't have had to defend it as much if he hadn't had so many people jumping on it.

Anyway, even the so called medical experts said John Terry would be back mid December and I can't remember them apologising for that diagnosis.

I was proved right on Gaston, he was not fit when he returned ( in fact a million miles away from fitness ) and my source on that one was spot on as usual. The fact he played whilst injured just makes Saints foolish in some peoples opinion. Regards business networks, a mate of mine happens to be involved directly with the champions league sponsorship events and was telling me just how stuffed some of the Italian clubs are.... his particular company was asked to pay up front in September for all colateral sponsorship issues for 2 certain clubs and they politely refused. He also explained that some of the creditors are not financial instutions and under Italian law some of them have greater rights to claw back their "investments"....

You are incorrect, Rambo was physically fit when he returned, not match fit, for obvious reasons, his present injury is on the other leg and was picked up in the Arsenal game. No one has disputed that some Italian Clubs are financially strapped, that's why it make sense to approach them for players, but NC will not be taken for a mug, and does not suffer fools gladly. He will fight for the best deal, if that is not fairly available he will walk away.

No I am correct. He was not fit to start a game. Anyone who knows a jot about football realised that after 5 minutes. People took my "prediction" literally. I obviously mean't "shouldn't" rather than "won't" but if people get pleasure out of clinging onto semantics then thats great for them. It does not change biology and the spin of the Earth.

Are you saying that they were after another payment from Injury Lawyers For You? I cannot imagine a Club forcing a £12m investment to play if he wasn't fit to do so. However I have been told I know nothing about football so like Rambo I haven't a leg to stand on

I am of the opinion it was amateurish to rush him back and play him in that game. Footballers are the most suseptible to secondary injury and recovery retardation with that sort of injury. Rugby players for instance had a simply code for severe dead leg recovery and the timescale for them is usually 3-4 weeks. Many use the ice-knee90degree-tra


in method that has worked well for decades. Footballers on the other hand are more prone to other muscles protecting the injury due to the nature of the game and its common for footballers who return too soon following deadlegs, hairline fractures and muscle tears to go onto get secondary problems, hamstrings being one. Barca and other European clubs use a technique called "intra-muscular electrotherapy" to speed up recovery. Its something I had once on an injury and this technique can accurately measure nerve-repair in such injuries. I have heard that many top flight English clubs are not as thorough in this area.

That's better it's just your opinion, not fact.

Rising_Son wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Rising_Son wrote: One question I have about this is: why is a player that was originally signed €4m and can't get into the team now worth £10m? Surely, we should be able to get him cheaper than that.

now that Fonte is knackered, their asking price would have automatically gone up £2m.... Also remember that its only really the Prem and La Liga that have stupid transfer prices.. the rest of Europe generally have much lower transfer costs....Foreign clubs know about the SKY money obviously and want their slice for signings....

But €4m + £2m still isn't even close to £10m.

SaintMax wrote:

Strasbourg Saint wrote:

SaintMax wrote:
Jusr read that AC Milan may highjack the Astori deal and sign him up.

Then it'll come down to how hot his WAG is. He'd be mad to sign for Berlusconi if she's going to attract his outstreched 'welcome'.

oustreched, overused, very shrivelled but somehow still capable.

adscm wrote:

Rising_Son wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Rising_Son wrote: One question I have about this is: why is a player that was originally signed €4m and can't get into the team now worth £10m? Surely, we should be able to get him cheaper than that.

now that Fonte is knackered, their asking price would have automatically gone up £2m.... Also remember that its only really the Prem and La Liga that have stupid transfer prices.. the rest of Europe generally have much lower transfer costs....Foreign clubs know about the SKY money obviously and want their slice for signings....

But €4m + £2m still isn't even close to £10m.

If only one club is interested in signing a player then they may still only be worth £4 to £6 million.

But if more than one club wants him, the price goes up - basic sale and demand!

And let's be honest here, if we bid exactly the same price as Liverpool, in this example, which team is the player most likely to choose?

Therefore, for the like of Saints to sign this quality of player we need to bid more to entice the selling club to at least persuade the player to talk to us.

The same principal (of offering more) probably applies when talking wages with the player/agent etc.

Hence why he may now be worth up to £10 million.

SaintMark wrote:

kent141 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

kent141 wrote:
Clubs take one look at Nigel and add a few million to the transfer fees straight away...

Your problems dwarf ours what are you going to do to redress them?

Ask J7 to redress the dwarf as he stripped him off quicker than Nigel running to the tanning salon for a top up..

Trying to work out what sort of twisted, sister fiddling, granny muggng, fish abusing weirdo you are!?
Was that really the best you can do? Tanning salon!? Go away little boy before you get cought using the schools computer. You'll get detention and be home late. Daddy wont like that will he. ;)

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Confucious wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintJD wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

A bit dodgy telling NC what he has to do, unless you fancy horses, the head part that is!

I also think that Nicola isn't as wet behind the negotiating ears as you suggest MGRA. footballing ones yes, but not business ones.

Which suggests he has four ears, two pairs and I'm starting to post like Confuscious..

I am not saying he is wet behind the ears, I am just pointing out something many may have missed... that is the fact that the Italians won't be interested in elastic deals,,, it will be cash up front on most if not all of the deal. Or there won't be a deal. The only ace he may have over others is through contacts he may have access to with information with allows him to massage certain 3rd parties to allow a bit of movement. Italian clubs are in dire straits.

Interestibg point MGRA. I thought you were our medical expert, whereas you also have a penchant for business.

:0)

Let it go guys. It's the new year, time to forget the odd comment made last October. He wouldn't have had to defend it as much if he hadn't had so many people jumping on it.

Anyway, even the so called medical experts said John Terry would be back mid December and I can't remember them apologising for that diagnosis.

I was proved right on Gaston, he was not fit when he returned ( in fact a million miles away from fitness ) and my source on that one was spot on as usual. The fact he played whilst injured just makes Saints foolish in some peoples opinion. Regards business networks, a mate of mine happens to be involved directly with the champions league sponsorship events and was telling me just how stuffed some of the Italian clubs are.... his particular company was asked to pay up front in September for all colateral sponsorship issues for 2 certain clubs and they politely refused. He also explained that some of the creditors are not financial instutions and under Italian law some of them have greater rights to claw back their "investments"....

You are incorrect, Rambo was physically fit when he returned, not match fit, for obvious reasons, his present injury is on the other leg and was picked up in the Arsenal game. No one has disputed that some Italian Clubs are financially strapped, that's why it make sense to approach them for players, but NC will not be taken for a mug, and does not suffer fools gladly. He will fight for the best deal, if that is not fairly available he will walk away.

No I am correct. He was not fit to start a game. Anyone who knows a jot about football realised that after 5 minutes. People took my "prediction" literally. I obviously mean't "shouldn't" rather than "won't" but if people get pleasure out of clinging onto semantics then thats great for them. It does not change biology and the spin of the Earth.

Are you saying that they were after another payment from Injury Lawyers For You? I cannot imagine a Club forcing a £12m investment to play if he wasn't fit to do so. However I have been told I know nothing about football so like Rambo I haven't a leg to stand on

The problem is almost certainly with the club doctor. I e mailed him after Christmas for advice as I was feeling very bloated. He told me I needed to clear my system out and should sit on a big piece of cheese and swallow a mouse.

This actually made me a lot worse.

Full marks for replying though. Nigel just pinches all my ideas with no acknowledgement at all.

You should be careful about the choice of cheese to sit on though, some can be quite messy. You should copyright those ideas before you send them.

before we get off this topic can you confirm whether the cheese needs to be inserted simultaneoulsy while swallowing the mouse?
MGRA any views?

SaintJD wrote:

mack chinnon wrote:

SaintJD wrote:
Comparing the Michu signing to Ramirez is a bit unfair. For all the Michu's out there there are loads who didn't make it. Virtually every manager in the Premier League is wishing they'd spotted him.

Alan Pardew has certainly had a good run on signings as well and seems their scouting network is pretty good.

That said, there are also loads of very expensive prospects that haven't delivered as well.

For me it's all about having the right person in that scouting role - go out, recruit them for good money and it will save you a lot of money on players in the future.

It's a bit like a formula 1 team investing in top drivers, but not spending a much smaller outlay to get Adrian Newey to design the car.

I'd say that, by and large, the quality of our major signings has been pretty good so far though, bar Lee and Mayuka based on lack of appearances.

J Rod will, I think, develop into a very good player indeed if we can get to play him more regularly, but a difficult balancing act, could almost do with a season banging them in for fun in the Championship.

Hows Jadi doing? Its all gone quiet over there.

Wha?

Velleity wrote:

MGRA wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

mbetts wrote:

Rising_Son wrote:

MGRA wrote:

Rising_Son wrote: One question I have about this is: why is a player that was originally signed €4m and can't get into the team now worth £10m? Surely, we should be able to get him cheaper than that.

now that Fonte is knackered, their asking price would have automatically gone up £2m.... Also remember that its only really the Prem and La Liga that have stupid transfer prices.. the rest of Europe generally have much lower transfer costs....Foreign clubs know about the SKY money obviously and want their slice for signings....

But €4m + £2m still isn't even close to £10m.

I think it might be a bit of creative journalism, there's no way on earth Saints would pay silly money for anybody, not Cortese's style, if we get them it'll be for a fair price which we'll find out about in a year or so's time when they finally release the accounts.

well if you believe the crud about gaston only being used for home games and a "few" away games then we already have paid "silly" money for someone... I happen to think its all bluff and he is still not 100% fit but if the official line is correct then 12M for a part time player was madness imo....

.. however you have no more idea than the rest of us, speculate all you like, the truth is out there, but we may never know for sure.

I knew he wasn't fit when others thought he was... or were told he was....

MGRA, you know what, I'm worried that you actually believe what you're typing. You really do think you know far more about his fitness than the physios, the management team (headed by an ex-physio in NA) and the medical team who have been able to assess him (with fitness tests, scans and other assessments) non-stop since his injury. By *guessing* what had happened to him you've somehow managed to know far better than that lot. And your implication in other posts that he's still carrying the injury is probably supported by the fact that he only managed two goals against Arsenal last week. Look, you made a silly throw-away comment that he wouldn't be back before December and you seem to feel forced to defend it even though it's all looking a bit silly. Frankly, you're looking like a politician defending an utterly discredited policy. Be a man, admit you were utterly wrong and move on. If it helps, mistakes I've publicly admitted to on here: I hated Guly and now rate him highly; I didn't see the point of Jack Cork until he went missing; I detested Artur Boruc after his first two games yet I'd now pick him out of the three we have. See; not hard, really. Do move on and drop the scratched record impression...

Velleity wrote:
One thing I'm not planning on doing is what I did in August, namely taking a view on whom we may or may not sign. One of the great (and yet frustrating to many) things about Saints is that we never seem to comment about speculation, so all we see is a hotch-potch of guesswork. We'll doubtless sign some players. I'm sure that NA may well have noticed that we need some depth in the squad. *After* we have signed them, I'll take an interest in them. I'm not having another month like August again, when I wasted hours looking up players who were never to become part of our team.

Five Trophies Between Us wrote:
needed an experienced goalie = we wont bother. needed an experienced PL defender to get up 2 speed asap = we will go 2 italy 2 get one. adkins = clueless

Five Trophies Between Us wrote:
needed an experienced goalie = we wont bother. needed an experienced PL defender to get up 2 speed asap = we will go 2 italy 2 get one. adkins = clueless

SaintJD wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

A bit dodgy telling NC what he has to do, unless you fancy horses, the head part that is!

I also think that Nicola isn't as wet behind the negotiating ears as you suggest MGRA. footballing ones yes, but not business ones.

Which suggests he has four ears, two pairs and I'm starting to post like Confuscious..

I am not saying he is wet behind the ears, I am just pointing out something many may have missed... that is the fact that the Italians won't be interested in elastic deals,,, it will be cash up front on most if not all of the deal. Or there won't be a deal. The only ace he may have over others is through contacts he may have access to with information with allows him to massage certain 3rd parties to allow a bit of movement. Italian clubs are in dire straits.

Interestibg point MGRA. I thought you were our medical expert, whereas you also have a penchant for business.

:0)

Let it go guys. It's the new year, time to forget the odd comment made last October. He wouldn't have had to defend it as much if he hadn't had so many people jumping on it.

Anyway, even the so called medical experts said John Terry would be back mid December and I can't remember them apologising for that diagnosis.

mack chinnon wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintJD wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

A bit dodgy telling NC what he has to do, unless you fancy horses, the head part that is!

I also think that Nicola isn't as wet behind the negotiating ears as you suggest MGRA. footballing ones yes, but not business ones.

Which suggests he has four ears, two pairs and I'm starting to post like Confuscious..

I am not saying he is wet behind the ears, I am just pointing out something many may have missed... that is the fact that the Italians won't be interested in elastic deals,,, it will be cash up front on most if not all of the deal. Or there won't be a deal. The only ace he may have over others is through contacts he may have access to with information with allows him to massage certain 3rd parties to allow a bit of movement. Italian clubs are in dire straits.

Interestibg point MGRA. I thought you were our medical expert, whereas you also have a penchant for business.

:0)

Let it go guys. It's the new year, time to forget the odd comment made last October. He wouldn't have had to defend it as much if he hadn't had so many people jumping on it.

Anyway, even the so called medical experts said John Terry would be back mid December and I can't remember them apologising for that diagnosis.

I was proved right on Gaston, he was not fit when he returned ( in fact a million miles away from fitness ) and my source on that one was spot on as usual. The fact he played whilst injured just makes Saints foolish in some peoples opinion. Regards business networks, a mate of mine happens to be involved directly with the champions league sponsorship events and was telling me just how stuffed some of the Italian clubs are.... his particular company was asked to pay up front in September for all colateral sponsorship issues for 2 certain clubs and they politely refused. He also explained that some of the creditors are not financial instutions and under Italian law some of them have greater rights to claw back their "investments"....

You are incorrect, Rambo was physically fit when he returned, not match fit, for obvious reasons, his present injury is on the other leg and was picked up in the Arsenal game. No one has disputed that some Italian Clubs are financially strapped, that's why it make sense to approach them for players, but NC will not be taken for a mug, and does not suffer fools gladly. He will fight for the best deal, if that is not fairly available he will walk away.

No I am correct. He was not fit to start a game. Anyone who knows a jot about football realised that after 5 minutes. People took my "prediction" literally. I obviously mean't "shouldn't" rather than "won't" but if people get pleasure out of clinging onto semantics then thats great for them. It does not change biology and the spin of the Earth.

Are you saying that they were after another payment from Injury Lawyers For You? I cannot imagine a Club forcing a £12m investment to play if he wasn't fit to do so. However I have been told I know nothing about football so like Rambo I haven't a leg to stand on

I am of the opinion it was amateurish to rush him back and play him in that game. Footballers are the most suseptible to secondary injury and recovery retardation with that sort of injury. Rugby players for instance had a simply code for severe dead leg recovery and the timescale for them is usually 3-4 weeks. Many use the ice-knee90degree-tra



in method that has worked well for decades. Footballers on the other hand are more prone to other muscles protecting the injury due to the nature of the game and its common for footballers who return too soon following deadlegs, hairline fractures and muscle tears to go onto get secondary problems, hamstrings being one. Barca and other European clubs use a technique called "intra-muscular electrotherapy" to speed up recovery. Its something I had once on an injury and this technique can accurately measure nerve-repair in such injuries. I have heard that many top flight English clubs are not as thorough in this area.

That's better it's just your opinion, not fact.

Get a room you two.

Five Trophies Between Us wrote:
needed an experienced goalie = we wont bother. needed an experienced PL defender to get up 2 speed asap = we will go 2 italy 2 get one. adkins = clueless

saintsdan wrote:
Love how people slag off NC and NA short memories just a few years ago we were bottom of league one now were in the prem! Saints need supporters not moaners get behind your team or get lost!

Confucious wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Confucious wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintJD wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

A bit dodgy telling NC what he has to do, unless you fancy horses, the head part that is!

I also think that Nicola isn't as wet behind the negotiating ears as you suggest MGRA. footballing ones yes, but not business ones.

Which suggests he has four ears, two pairs and I'm starting to post like Confuscious..

I am not saying he is wet behind the ears, I am just pointing out something many may have missed... that is the fact that the Italians won't be interested in elastic deals,,, it will be cash up front on most if not all of the deal. Or there won't be a deal. The only ace he may have over others is through contacts he may have access to with information with allows him to massage certain 3rd parties to allow a bit of movement. Italian clubs are in dire straits.

Interestibg point MGRA. I thought you were our medical expert, whereas you also have a penchant for business.

:0)

Let it go guys. It's the new year, time to forget the odd comment made last October. He wouldn't have had to defend it as much if he hadn't had so many people jumping on it.

Anyway, even the so called medical experts said John Terry would be back mid December and I can't remember them apologising for that diagnosis.

I was proved right on Gaston, he was not fit when he returned ( in fact a million miles away from fitness ) and my source on that one was spot on as usual. The fact he played whilst injured just makes Saints foolish in some peoples opinion. Regards business networks, a mate of mine happens to be involved directly with the champions league sponsorship events and was telling me just how stuffed some of the Italian clubs are.... his particular company was asked to pay up front in September for all colateral sponsorship issues for 2 certain clubs and they politely refused. He also explained that some of the creditors are not financial instutions and under Italian law some of them have greater rights to claw back their "investments"....

You are incorrect, Rambo was physically fit when he returned, not match fit, for obvious reasons, his present injury is on the other leg and was picked up in the Arsenal game. No one has disputed that some Italian Clubs are financially strapped, that's why it make sense to approach them for players, but NC will not be taken for a mug, and does not suffer fools gladly. He will fight for the best deal, if that is not fairly available he will walk away.

No I am correct. He was not fit to start a game. Anyone who knows a jot about football realised that after 5 minutes. People took my "prediction" literally. I obviously mean't "shouldn't" rather than "won't" but if people get pleasure out of clinging onto semantics then thats great for them. It does not change biology and the spin of the Earth.

Are you saying that they were after another payment from Injury Lawyers For You? I cannot imagine a Club forcing a £12m investment to play if he wasn't fit to do so. However I have been told I know nothing about football so like Rambo I haven't a leg to stand on

The problem is almost certainly with the club doctor. I e mailed him after Christmas for advice as I was feeling very bloated. He told me I needed to clear my system out and should sit on a big piece of cheese and swallow a mouse.

This actually made me a lot worse.

Full marks for replying though. Nigel just pinches all my ideas with no acknowledgement at all.

You should be careful about the choice of cheese to sit on though, some can be quite messy. You should copyright those ideas before you send them.

before we get off this topic can you confirm whether the cheese needs to be inserted simultaneoulsy while swallowing the mouse?
MGRA any views?

Don't be tempted MGRA. These people are trying to make a sensible thread silly.

They are the same ones who said that players' bodies are made up of 98% water and therefore they could drown if they had a big glass of water at half time. And I know for a fact that one of them got his poor old auntie to have colonic irrigation because he was hoping he might find some old jewellery.

When Gaston first got his dead leg, they were on here talking about how flamingos go to sleep on one leg - simply refusing to acknowledge my point that a sleeping leg is not the same as a dead leg and that Gaston is genetically so far removed from the flamingo that the point is completely irrelevant anyway.

Sometimes I despair at the inanity on here.

Velleity wrote:

SaintJD wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

A bit dodgy telling NC what he has to do, unless you fancy horses, the head part that is!

I also think that Nicola isn't as wet behind the negotiating ears as you suggest MGRA. footballing ones yes, but not business ones.

Which suggests he has four ears, two pairs and I'm starting to post like Confuscious..

I am not saying he is wet behind the ears, I am just pointing out something many may have missed... that is the fact that the Italians won't be interested in elastic deals,,, it will be cash up front on most if not all of the deal. Or there won't be a deal. The only ace he may have over others is through contacts he may have access to with information with allows him to massage certain 3rd parties to allow a bit of movement. Italian clubs are in dire straits.

Interestibg point MGRA. I thought you were our medical expert, whereas you also have a penchant for business.

:0)

Let it go guys. It's the new year, time to forget the odd comment made last October. He wouldn't have had to defend it as much if he hadn't had so many people jumping on it.

Anyway, even the so called medical experts said John Terry would be back mid December and I can't remember them apologising for that diagnosis.

It's OK to say "Let it go", but MRSA the medical expert was the one who brought the subject into this thread (8:57am). He also brought it into a thread last night about Jose Fonte for some indecipherable reason. It's a bit of an obsession for the poor lad.

If he stops bringing it up, we'll probably forget it one day.

kent141 wrote:

saintsdan wrote:
Love how people slag off NC and NA short memories just a few years ago we were bottom of league one now were in the prem! Saints need supporters not moaners get behind your team or get lost!

Thats 15000 off the attendance then....

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
I see that 'out of favour Leicester midfielder' Neil Danns has joined Huddersfield on loan. I remember some people thought he'd be the answer to our midfield. (I never really had an opinion because I'd not seen much of him).

Anyway, unlike Michu, this doesn't now seem to be one that got away.

But it's a reminder of our progress, isn't it? Neil Danns or Gaston Ramirez? Not hard, is it?

saintsdan wrote:
Love how people slag off NC and NA short memories just a few years ago we were bottom of league one now were in the prem! Saints need supporters not moaners get behind your team or get lost!

SaintJD wrote:

saintsdan wrote:
Love how people slag off NC and NA short memories just a few years ago we were bottom of league one now were in the prem! Saints need supporters not moaners get behind your team or get lost!

I think you can count maybe one or two people on here that slag off NC and NA, the vast, vast majority don't.

They've done a brilliant job, but we do need a couple of cheap defenders and a keeper.

It's obvious, it's been obvious for months and now I hope and trust they go and bring them in before we lose too many more points.

I'm over the moon that we've got to this point of the season still with a real chance of being safe, even comfortably safe.

That's an amazing effort for me, especially because we've stuck by our manager and ethos and haven't shown signs of panic.

Would be a real shame if that whole programme was de-railed because we don't get the basics right, but I'm sure they will. Let's face it, everyone on here, and in the media and probably in football knows where we need to strengthen this window and I'm sure NA and NC know better than anyone, whatever they may say to manage team morale in interviews.

SaintJD wrote:

Velleity wrote:

SaintJD wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

MGRA wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

St Retford wrote:
The thing with Gaston is that he has the potential to be a far better player than Michu is by the time he gets to his age, and that was reflected in the transfer fee.

But he also served a double function as a marquee signing who said to the world "We are Southampton and we mean business" which should - fingers crossed - make it far easier to sign the likes of Astori.

Nicola is a shrewd negotiator though and he won't rush a deal through just for the sake of it - he'll do what's right for this football club.

Nicola will have to face up to the reality with regards buying in Italy right now... and that is most Italian clubs need cash NOW, not installments, staged payments or sell-on premiums.... Its this that will halt proceedings I fear. I am pretty sure if a player wants to play for us the wages won't be a stumbling block....

A bit dodgy telling NC what he has to do, unless you fancy horses, the head part that is!

I also think that Nicola isn't as wet behind the negotiating ears as you suggest MGRA. footballing ones yes, but not business ones.

Which suggests he has four ears, two pairs and I'm starting to post like Confuscious..

I am not saying he is wet behind the ears, I am just pointing out something many may have missed... that is the fact that the Italians won't be interested in elastic deals,,, it will be cash up front on most if not all of the deal. Or there won't be a deal. The only ace he may have over others is through contacts he may have access to with information with allows him to massage certain 3rd parties to allow a bit of movement. Italian clubs are in dire straits.

Interestibg point MGRA. I thought you were our medical expert, whereas you also have a penchant for business.

:0)

Let it go guys. It's the new year, time to forget the odd comment made last October. He wouldn't have had to defend it as much if he hadn't had so many people jumping on it.

Anyway, even the so called medical experts said John Terry would be back mid December and I can't remember them apologising for that diagnosis.

It's OK to say "Let it go", but MRSA the medical expert was the one who brought the subject into this thread (8:57am). He also brought it into a thread last night about Jose Fonte for some indecipherable reason. It's a bit of an obsession for the poor lad.

If he stops bringing it up, we'll probably forget it one day.

Yeah, to be fair to me I did stand up for him before realising quite how obsessed he was with the idea that he wasn't wrong. I've learnt my lesson.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Five Trophies Between Us wrote:
needed an experienced goalie = we wont bother. needed an experienced PL defender to get up 2 speed asap = we will go 2 italy 2 get one. adkins = clueless

Needed sensible posters = 5trop clueless

warrens 76 wrote:
Spend to save??? hard to escape the need..HOWEVER to spend or not to spend...

I Consider the issues are more a team problem than any individuals... yes even Guly's eff ups are not alone...stop panicking, start playing, up the tempo, rush the opposition, see fear in their eye's not our's...then we have the solution..possession

, possession and possession..speed of thought..the ability is within the squad....bring it aaaaaghtt.


This is training ground stuff not transfer window stuff...

...forget 20 millions of new talent..try getting ours to think right and play right...

...if you panic you lose...so don't panic quite simple..

..PLAY AS YOU ARE CAPABLE NOT AS THE PRESSURE DICTATES..

..sorry about the capitals, I borrowed Red army's computer.

slugger wrote:
MGRA , get off of your high horse ....... you WERE wrong about Gaston's return and are now just expressing an opinnion (a wrong one in my view) in an effort to save face ....... let it go FFS !

SO50 Saint wrote:
where kids get ejected from the family enclosure for supporting Arsenal

Did that really happen?? I'm all for it if they are adults but kids is another matter

slugger wrote:
MGRA , get off of your high horse ....... you WERE wrong about Gaston's return and are now just expressing an opinnion (a wrong one in my view) in an effort to save face ....... let it go FFS !

SaintMax wrote:

warrens 76 wrote:
Spend to save??? hard to escape the need..HOWEVER to spend or not to spend...

I Consider the issues are more a team problem than any individuals... yes even Guly's eff ups are not alone...stop panicking, start playing, up the tempo, rush the opposition, see fear in their eye's not our's...then we have the solution..possession


, possession and possession..speed of thought..the ability is within the squad....bring it aaaaaghtt.


This is training ground stuff not transfer window stuff...

...forget 20 millions of new talent..try getting ours to think right and play right...

...if you panic you lose...so don't panic quite simple..

..PLAY AS YOU ARE CAPABLE NOT AS THE PRESSURE DICTATES..

..sorry about the capitals, I borrowed Red army's computer.

So having a £200 million transfer budget like for example Man City didn't help them to win the league for the first time in 50 years?

Was just down to not panicking and they possessed more?

SO50 Saint wrote:
family of three, an arsenal academy kid and his mum and dad from Ringwood. The club told them when they bought the tickets they could sit in the family enclosure, but when Arsenal equalised and he celebrated, he was threatened by Saints "fans" in the family enclosure and the brave Stewards ejected the three of them....”

That's society today unfortunately very sad though that this would happen in the family enclosure.

MGRA wrote:

SO50 Saint wrote:
family of three, an arsenal academy kid and his mum and dad from Ringwood. The club told them when they bought the tickets they could sit in the family enclosure, but when Arsenal equalised and he celebrated, he was threatened by Saints "fans" in the family enclosure and the brave Stewards ejected the three of them....”

That's society today unfortunately very sad though that this would happen in the family enclosure.

just cowardly stewarding... I have been to about 100 games over the years in the family enclosure and there has often been kids and their parents in their supporting the other team. Thats the whole point of a "Family" enclosure for most clubs.... maybe along with the bimbo-programme sellers came a new generation of clueless stewards...

MGRA wrote:

SO50 Saint wrote:
family of three, an arsenal academy kid and his mum and dad from Ringwood. The club told them when they bought the tickets they could sit in the family enclosure, but when Arsenal equalised and he celebrated, he was threatened by Saints "fans" in the family enclosure and the brave Stewards ejected the three of them....”

That's society today unfortunately very sad though that this would happen in the family enclosure.

just cowardly stewarding... I have been to about 100 games over the years in the family enclosure and there has often been kids and their parents in their supporting the other team. Thats the whole point of a "Family" enclosure for most clubs.... maybe along with the bimbo-programme sellers came a new generation of clueless stewards...

SO50 Saint wrote:
just cowardly stewarding... I have been to about 100 games over the years in the family enclosure and there has often been kids and their parents in their supporting the other team. Thats the whole point of a "Family" enclosure for most clubs.... maybe along with the bimbo-programme sellers came a new generation of clueless stewards...”

I do remember when sitiing in Junior Saints at the Dell other teams used to have fans who would come down IIRC. To be honest I quite like the new stewards after a few beers it's nice to have a nice bird offering you a programme that your not interested in purchasing.

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:
MGRA , get off of your high horse ....... you WERE wrong about Gaston's return and are now just expressing an opinnion (a wrong one in my view) in an effort to save face ....... let it go FFS !

ah yes , I just have to wait until someone else snipes and does not "let it go" and then I have to "let it go".... got it !! internet-pack-mental

ity.... roger, message recieved....

Snebs wrote:
how about Ramsey on loan from Arsenal?

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:
MGRA , get off of your high horse ....... you WERE wrong about Gaston's return and are now just expressing an opinnion (a wrong one in my view) in an effort to save face ....... let it go FFS !

ah yes , I just have to wait until someone else snipes and does not "let it go" and then I have to "let it go".... got it !! internet-pack-mental


ity.... roger, message recieved....

I promise not to mention it again if you do .

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:
MGRA , get off of your high horse ....... you WERE wrong about Gaston's return and are now just expressing an opinnion (a wrong one in my view) in an effort to save face ....... let it go FFS !

ah yes , I just have to wait until someone else snipes and does not "let it go" and then I have to "let it go".... got it !! internet-pack-mental



ity.... roger, message recieved....

I promise not to mention it again if you do .

a done deal.. I will even extend that to "let it go" even if someone else " does not let it go" and posts a snipe.... I have ( just about ) enough self control... now back to Transfers... NC should be able to pull this off, I can not entertain the thought that he is just part of ramp-up-the-price game....

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:
MGRA , get off of your high horse ....... you WERE wrong about Gaston's return and are now just expressing an opinnion (a wrong one in my view) in an effort to save face ....... let it go FFS !

ah yes , I just have to wait until someone else snipes and does not "let it go" and then I have to "let it go".... got it !! internet-pack-mental



ity.... roger, message recieved....

I promise not to mention it again if you do .

a done deal.. I will even extend that to "let it go" even if someone else " does not let it go" and posts a snipe.... I have ( just about ) enough self control... now back to Transfers... NC should be able to pull this off, I can not entertain the thought that he is just part of ramp-up-the-price game....

saintlysoul wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:
MGRA , get off of your high horse ....... you WERE wrong about Gaston's return and are now just expressing an opinnion (a wrong one in my view) in an effort to save face ....... let it go FFS !

ah yes , I just have to wait until someone else snipes and does not "let it go" and then I have to "let it go".... got it !! internet-pack-mental




ity.... roger, message recieved....

I promise not to mention it again if you do .

a done deal.. I will even extend that to "let it go" even if someone else " does not let it go" and posts a snipe.... I have ( just about ) enough self control... now back to Transfers... NC should be able to pull this off, I can not entertain the thought that he is just part of ramp-up-the-price game....

NC won't 'pull this off' there's no money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

slugger wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:
MGRA , get off of your high horse ....... you WERE wrong about Gaston's return and are now just expressing an opinnion (a wrong one in my view) in an effort to save face ....... let it go FFS !

ah yes , I just have to wait until someone else snipes and does not "let it go" and then I have to "let it go".... got it !! internet-pack-mental





ity.... roger, message recieved....

I promise not to mention it again if you do .

a done deal.. I will even extend that to "let it go" even if someone else " does not let it go" and posts a snipe.... I have ( just about ) enough self control... now back to Transfers... NC should be able to pull this off, I can not entertain the thought that he is just part of ramp-up-the-price game....

NC won't 'pull this off' there's no money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On what evidence do you base this theory ?

saintlysoul wrote:

slugger wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:
MGRA , get off of your high horse ....... you WERE wrong about Gaston's return and are now just expressing an opinnion (a wrong one in my view) in an effort to save face ....... let it go FFS !

ah yes , I just have to wait until someone else snipes and does not "let it go" and then I have to "let it go".... got it !! internet-pack-mental






ity.... roger, message recieved....

I promise not to mention it again if you do .

a done deal.. I will even extend that to "let it go" even if someone else " does not let it go" and posts a snipe.... I have ( just about ) enough self control... now back to Transfers... NC should be able to pull this off, I can not entertain the thought that he is just part of ramp-up-the-price game....

NC won't 'pull this off' there's no money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On what evidence do you base this theory ?

As they say 'a little bird told me' and a very reliable one - time will tell. The relationship between NC and NA is poor at the moment indeed strained. I wouldn't be surprised if NA will be on his way. That would be a shame.

saintlysoul wrote:

slugger wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:
MGRA , get off of your high horse ....... you WERE wrong about Gaston's return and are now just expressing an opinnion (a wrong one in my view) in an effort to save face ....... let it go FFS !

ah yes , I just have to wait until someone else snipes and does not "let it go" and then I have to "let it go".... got it !! internet-pack-mental






ity.... roger, message recieved....

I promise not to mention it again if you do .

a done deal.. I will even extend that to "let it go" even if someone else " does not let it go" and posts a snipe.... I have ( just about ) enough self control... now back to Transfers... NC should be able to pull this off, I can not entertain the thought that he is just part of ramp-up-the-price game....

NC won't 'pull this off' there's no money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On what evidence do you base this theory ?

As they say 'a little bird told me' and a very reliable one - time will tell. The relationship between NC and NA is poor at the moment indeed strained. I wouldn't be surprised if NA will be on his way. That would be a shame.

Velleity wrote:

Five Trophies Between Us wrote: needed an experienced goalie = we wont bother. needed an experienced PL defender to get up 2 speed asap = we will go 2 italy 2 get one. adkins = clueless

You know what, you're completely right.

St Retford wrote:

Five Trophies Between Us wrote: needed an experienced goalie = we wont bother. needed an experienced PL defender to get up 2 speed asap = we will go 2 italy 2 get one. adkins = clueless

Thanks for joining in. Sadly, we're not going to be able to extend your contract here so you're free to pursue other interests. Still, you're used to this sort of thing.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Five Trophies Between Us wrote: needed an experienced goalie = we wont bother. needed an experienced PL defender to get up 2 speed asap = we will go 2 italy 2 get one. adkins = clueless

Needed sensible posters = 5trop clueless

saintlysoul wrote:
Slugger I know you're rude but there's no need to be offensive. What say we re-visit this topic on the 1st February after there has been no big signings in January and you may then like to re-consider your position. Not for the first time you become offensive and objectionable when you hear something you don't like. Probably you've inhaled too much gas dear boy!

saintlysoul wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Five Trophies Between Us wrote: needed an experienced goalie = we wont bother. needed an experienced PL defender to get up 2 speed asap = we will go 2 italy 2 get one. adkins = clueless

Needed sensible posters = 5trop clueless

I don't think NA is clueless I bet the first he knew of this was when he saw it in the DE. similar to when Guly arrived at the training ground at Marchwood and when asked by the security staff what he wanted he announced he was reporting for training. He was taken down to Alan Pardew who was told he had arrived and Pardew knew nothing about Guly having been signed!!! I think this is actually all paper talk. IMO NC doesn't have the money to purchase new players and you'll find he will probably be seeking short term loan deals on English players. That's the reality. As they say time will tell!

slugger wrote:
Saintlysoul , i have a long memory , i get objectionable when i smell a rotten smell .

SO50 Saint wrote:
FTBU any big signings coming in to Pompey this month at all? Have you ever been on the ride at Alton Towers the one that goes straight down think it is called Ovlivion. I have heard they are re-naming it Portsmouth after the last few years

SO50 Saint wrote:
FTBU any big signings coming in to Pompey this month at all? Have you ever been on the ride at Alton Towers the one that goes straight down think it is called Ovlivion. I have heard they are re-naming it Portsmouth after the last few years

Five Trophies Between Us wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Five Trophies Between Us wrote: needed an experienced goalie = we wont bother. needed an experienced PL defender to get up 2 speed asap = we will go 2 italy 2 get one. adkins = clueless

Needed sensible posters = 5trop clueless

I don't think NA is clueless I bet the first he knew of this was when he saw it in the DE. similar to when Guly arrived at the training ground at Marchwood and when asked by the security staff what he wanted he announced he was reporting for training. He was taken down to Alan Pardew who was told he had arrived and Pardew knew nothing about Guly having been signed!!! I think this is actually all paper talk. IMO NC doesn't have the money to purchase new players and you'll find he will probably be seeking short term loan deals on English players. That's the reality. As they say time will tell!

on the goalie front he is clueless

SO50 Saint wrote:
FTBU any big signings coming in to Pompey this month at all? Have you ever been on the ride at Alton Towers the one that goes straight down think it is called Ovlivion. I have heard they are re-naming it Portsmouth after the last few years

warrens 76 wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

warrens 76 wrote:
Spend to save??? hard to escape the need..HOWEVER to spend or not to spend...

I Consider the issues are more a team problem than any individuals... yes even Guly's eff ups are not alone...stop panicking, start playing, up the tempo, rush the opposition, see fear in their eye's not our's...then we have the solution..possession



, possession and possession..speed of thought..the ability is within the squad....bring it aaaaaghtt.


This is training ground stuff not transfer window stuff...

...forget 20 millions of new talent..try getting ours to think right and play right...

...if you panic you lose...so don't panic quite simple..

..PLAY AS YOU ARE CAPABLE NOT AS THE PRESSURE DICTATES..

..sorry about the capitals, I borrowed Red army's computer.

So having a £200 million transfer budget like for example Man City didn't help them to win the league for the first time in 50 years?

Was just down to not panicking and they possessed more?

Max...work with me here..we have lost again and again from bottling or 5hitting it..the fact we take the lead 'shows' we can do it..pressure we cannot handle..not arguing with you, just telling you!

SO50 Saint wrote:
I think the reason a lot of people disagree with you saintly is reading through what the story is actually about on this page. If we had no money we would not be linked to anyone much like the likes of Reading and other premiership clubs are

saintlysoul wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:
MGRA , get off of your high horse ....... you WERE wrong about Gaston's return and are now just expressing an opinnion (a wrong one in my view) in an effort to save face ....... let it go FFS !

ah yes , I just have to wait until someone else snipes and does not "let it go" and then I have to "let it go".... got it !! internet-pack-mental




ity.... roger, message recieved....

I promise not to mention it again if you do .

a done deal.. I will even extend that to "let it go" even if someone else " does not let it go" and posts a snipe.... I have ( just about ) enough self control... now back to Transfers... NC should be able to pull this off, I can not entertain the thought that he is just part of ramp-up-the-price game....

NC won't 'pull this off' there's no money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Velleity wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:
MGRA , get off of your high horse ....... you WERE wrong about Gaston's return and are now just expressing an opinnion (a wrong one in my view) in an effort to save face ....... let it go FFS !

ah yes , I just have to wait until someone else snipes and does not "let it go" and then I have to "let it go".... got it !! internet-pack-mental





ity.... roger, message recieved....

I promise not to mention it again if you do .

a done deal.. I will even extend that to "let it go" even if someone else " does not let it go" and posts a snipe.... I have ( just about ) enough self control... now back to Transfers... NC should be able to pull this off, I can not entertain the thought that he is just part of ramp-up-the-price game....

NC won't 'pull this off' there's no money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You've said "there's no money" twice in this thread.

Is there any basis for that?

Velleity wrote:

warrens 76 wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

warrens 76 wrote: Spend to save??? hard to escape the need..HOWEVER to spend or not to spend... I Consider the issues are more a team problem than any individuals... yes even Guly's eff ups are not alone...stop panicking, start playing, up the tempo, rush the opposition, see fear in their eye's not our's...then we have the solution..possession , possession and possession..speed of thought..the ability is within the squad....bring it aaaaaghtt. This is training ground stuff not transfer window stuff... ...forget 20 millions of new talent..try getting ours to think right and play right... ...if you panic you lose...so don't panic quite simple.. ..PLAY AS YOU ARE CAPABLE NOT AS THE PRESSURE DICTATES.. ..sorry about the capitals, I borrowed Red army's computer.

So having a £200 million transfer budget like for example Man City didn't help them to win the league for the first time in 50 years? Was just down to not panicking and they possessed more?

Max...work with me here..we have lost again and again from bottling or 5hitting it..the fact we take the lead 'shows' we can do it..pressure we cannot handle..not arguing with you, just telling you!

I've mentioned this before and I'm growing to believe it more and more: for two seasons running, the form for many matches was "Turn up, go two ahead, relax". Even last season, if we ended up only one goal ahead more than half way through the game, panic would set in. Instead of carrying on withthe tactics that had set us in the lead, the team would be flapping all over. So, warrens76, I'm led to agree with you - some work on just keeping up normal service when we're winning might work wonders. Clive Woodward said the same thing when he managed England to the World Cup - just keep playing as planned whatever the scoreline.

warrens 76 wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

warrens 76 wrote:
Spend to save??? hard to escape the need..HOWEVER to spend or not to spend...

I Consider the issues are more a team problem than any individuals... yes even Guly's eff ups are not alone...stop panicking, start playing, up the tempo, rush the opposition, see fear in their eye's not our's...then we have the solution..possession



, possession and possession..speed of thought..the ability is within the squad....bring it aaaaaghtt.


This is training ground stuff not transfer window stuff...

...forget 20 millions of new talent..try getting ours to think right and play right...

...if you panic you lose...so don't panic quite simple..

..PLAY AS YOU ARE CAPABLE NOT AS THE PRESSURE DICTATES..

..sorry about the capitals, I borrowed Red army's computer.

So having a £200 million transfer budget like for example Man City didn't help them to win the league for the first time in 50 years?

Was just down to not panicking and they possessed more?

Max...work with me here..we have lost again and again from bottling or 5hitting it..the fact we take the lead 'shows' we can do it..pressure we cannot handle..not arguing with you, just telling you!

saintlysoul wrote:

SO50 Saint wrote:
I think the reason a lot of people disagree with you saintly is reading through what the story is actually about on this page. If we had no money we would not be linked to anyone much like the likes of Reading and other premiership clubs are

Why does anyone actually believe what the DE says about Saints the club has no relationship working or otherwise with the paper as NC won't allow it hence why at its highest its speculation and at its lowest just plain inaccurate rubbish!!!

saintlysoul wrote:

SO50 Saint wrote:
I think the reason a lot of people disagree with you saintly is reading through what the story is actually about on this page. If we had no money we would not be linked to anyone much like the likes of Reading and other premiership clubs are

Why does anyone actually believe what the DE says about Saints the club has no relationship working or otherwise with the paper as NC won't allow it hence why at its highest its speculation and at its lowest just plain inaccurate rubbish!!!

Five Trophies Between Us wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Five Trophies Between Us wrote: needed an experienced goalie = we wont bother. needed an experienced PL defender to get up 2 speed asap = we will go 2 italy 2 get one. adkins = clueless

You know what, you're completely right.

do u know what. u are completely wrong

slugger wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:

SO50 Saint wrote:
I think the reason a lot of people disagree with you saintly is reading through what the story is actually about on this page. If we had no money we would not be linked to anyone much like the likes of Reading and other premiership clubs are

Why does anyone actually believe what the DE says about Saints the club has no relationship working or otherwise with the paper as NC won't allow it hence why at its highest its speculation and at its lowest just plain inaccurate rubbish!!!

These stories don't come from the Daily Echo (durrr) , they are copied from Italian football websites , inaccurate or not it isn't the Echo sleuths that uncovered it .

Baddesley Bill wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Slugger I know you're rude but there's no need to be offensive. What say we re-visit this topic on the 1st February after there has been no big signings in January and you may then like to re-consider your position. Not for the first time you become offensive and objectionable when you hear something you don't like. Probably you've inhaled too much gas dear boy!

I'll take a £50 charitable bet on that with you Saintlysoul (I'm doing well on such bets...just ask ghk!)
We sign a player in January...you donate £50 to the Saints foundation....and prove it...deal?

warrens 76 wrote:

Five Trophies Between Us wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Five Trophies Between Us wrote: needed an experienced goalie = we wont bother. needed an experienced PL defender to get up 2 speed asap = we will go 2 italy 2 get one. adkins = clueless

You know what, you're completely right.

do u know what. u are completely wrong

It's not fair 5T I have lived and enjoyed our last 50 years of mainly top divi status...earned cup wins etc... Were do YOUR memories come from..unless you are 80+

slugger wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:

SO50 Saint wrote:
I think the reason a lot of people disagree with you saintly is reading through what the story is actually about on this page. If we had no money we would not be linked to anyone much like the likes of Reading and other premiership clubs are

Why does anyone actually believe what the DE says about Saints the club has no relationship working or otherwise with the paper as NC won't allow it hence why at its highest its speculation and at its lowest just plain inaccurate rubbish!!!

These stories don't come from the Daily Echo (durrr) , they are copied from Italian football websites , inaccurate or not it isn't the Echo sleuths that uncovered it .

SaintMax wrote:

SO50 Saint wrote:
FTBU any big signings coming in to Pompey this month at all? Have you ever been on the ride at Alton Towers the one that goes straight down think it is called Ovlivion. I have heard they are re-naming it Portsmouth after the last few years

I've heard there could be a big signing at Fratton Park this month. Rumour has it they are after Razor Ruddock.. Have you seen him in his pants on celeb BBrother?

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Slugger I know you're rude but there's no need to be offensive. What say we re-visit this topic on the 1st February after there has been no big signings in January and you may then like to re-consider your position. Not for the first time you become offensive and objectionable when you hear something you don't like. Probably you've inhaled too much gas dear boy!

I'll take a £50 charitable bet on that with you Saintlysoul (I'm doing well on such bets...just ask ghk!)
We sign a player in January...you donate £50 to the Saints foundation....and prove it...deal?

Helloooooooo....I assume you missed my offer...you want to take the bet?

Velleity wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Slugger I know you're rude but there's no need to be offensive. What say we re-visit this topic on the 1st February after there has been no big signings in January and you may then like to re-consider your position. Not for the first time you become offensive and objectionable when you hear something you don't like. Probably you've inhaled too much gas dear boy!

I'll take a £50 charitable bet on that with you Saintlysoul (I'm doing well on such bets...just ask ghk!)
We sign a player in January...you donate £50 to the Saints foundation....and prove it...deal?

Helloooooooo....I assume you missed my offer...you want to take the bet?

I'll happily double up on the bet; I'm even happy to specify that we'll spend in excess of £4M before the end of January.

Want to take it on? If you believe your sources telling you there's no money, saintlysoul, you'd be foolish not to take the bet.

saintlysoul wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Slugger I know you're rude but there's no need to be offensive. What say we re-visit this topic on the 1st February after there has been no big signings in January and you may then like to re-consider your position. Not for the first time you become offensive and objectionable when you hear something you don't like. Probably you've inhaled too much gas dear boy!

I'll take a £50 charitable bet on that with you Saintlysoul (I'm doing well on such bets...just ask ghk!)
We sign a player in January...you donate £50 to the Saints foundation....and prove it...deal?

Helloooooooo....I assume you missed my offer...you want to take the bet?

I'll happily double up on the bet; I'm even happy to specify that we'll spend in excess of £4M before the end of January.

Want to take it on? If you believe your sources telling you there's no money, saintlysoul, you'd be foolish not to take the bet.

I can't bet on this as it would be tantamount to 'insider dealing' trust me there is no money!!!!

Velleity wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Slugger I know you're rude but there's no need to be offensive. What say we re-visit this topic on the 1st February after there has been no big signings in January and you may then like to re-consider your position. Not for the first time you become offensive and objectionable when you hear something you don't like. Probably you've inhaled too much gas dear boy!

I'll take a £50 charitable bet on that with you Saintlysoul (I'm doing well on such bets...just ask ghk!)
We sign a player in January...you donate £50 to the Saints foundation....and prove it...deal?

Helloooooooo....I assume you missed my offer...you want to take the bet?

I'll happily double up on the bet; I'm even happy to specify that we'll spend in excess of £4M before the end of January.

Want to take it on? If you believe your sources telling you there's no money, saintlysoul, you'd be foolish not to take the bet.

saintlysoul wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Slugger I know you're rude but there's no need to be offensive. What say we re-visit this topic on the 1st February after there has been no big signings in January and you may then like to re-consider your position. Not for the first time you become offensive and objectionable when you hear something you don't like. Probably you've inhaled too much gas dear boy!

I'll take a £50 charitable bet on that with you Saintlysoul (I'm doing well on such bets...just ask ghk!)
We sign a player in January...you donate £50 to the Saints foundation....and prove it...deal?

Helloooooooo....I assume you missed my offer...you want to take the bet?

I'll happily double up on the bet; I'm even happy to specify that we'll spend in excess of £4M before the end of January.

Want to take it on? If you believe your sources telling you there's no money, saintlysoul, you'd be foolish not to take the bet.

I can't bet on this as it would be tantamount to 'insider dealing' trust me there is no money!!!!

slugger wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Slugger I know you're rude but there's no need to be offensive. What say we re-visit this topic on the 1st February after there has been no big signings in January and you may then like to re-consider your position. Not for the first time you become offensive and objectionable when you hear something you don't like. Probably you've inhaled too much gas dear boy!

I'll take a £50 charitable bet on that with you Saintlysoul (I'm doing well on such bets...just ask ghk!)
We sign a player in January...you donate £50 to the Saints foundation....and prove it...deal?

Helloooooooo....I assume you missed my offer...you want to take the bet?

I'll happily double up on the bet; I'm even happy to specify that we'll spend in excess of £4M before the end of January.

Want to take it on? If you believe your sources telling you there's no money, saintlysoul, you'd be foolish not to take the bet.

I can't bet on this as it would be tantamount to 'insider dealing' trust me there is no money!!!!

LOL ..... "insider dealing" .... yeah , right .... if i had a pound for every poster that was "in the know" ...........

slugger wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Slugger I know you're rude but there's no need to be offensive. What say we re-visit this topic on the 1st February after there has been no big signings in January and you may then like to re-consider your position. Not for the first time you become offensive and objectionable when you hear something you don't like. Probably you've inhaled too much gas dear boy!

I'll take a £50 charitable bet on that with you Saintlysoul (I'm doing well on such bets...just ask ghk!)
We sign a player in January...you donate £50 to the Saints foundation....and prove it...deal?

Helloooooooo....I assume you missed my offer...you want to take the bet?

I'll happily double up on the bet; I'm even happy to specify that we'll spend in excess of £4M before the end of January.

Want to take it on? If you believe your sources telling you there's no money, saintlysoul, you'd be foolish not to take the bet.

I can't bet on this as it would be tantamount to 'insider dealing' trust me there is no money!!!!

LOL ..... "insider dealing" .... yeah , right .... if i had a pound for every poster that was "in the know" ...........

SaintMax wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Slugger I know you're rude but there's no need to be offensive. What say we re-visit this topic on the 1st February after there has been no big signings in January and you may then like to re-consider your position. Not for the first time you become offensive and objectionable when you hear something you don't like. Probably you've inhaled too much gas dear boy!

I'll take a £50 charitable bet on that with you Saintlysoul (I'm doing well on such bets...just ask ghk!)
We sign a player in January...you donate £50 to the Saints foundation....and prove it...deal?

Helloooooooo....I assume you missed my offer...you want to take the bet?

I'll happily double up on the bet; I'm even happy to specify that we'll spend in excess of £4M before the end of January.

Want to take it on? If you believe your sources telling you there's no money, saintlysoul, you'd be foolish not to take the bet.

IMO you are lining yourself up to look a dikc if saints do spend big and uve claimed on here u have sources who say we won't spend anything.
He should throw in an 'IMO', or 'I reckon'.

SaintMax wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Slugger I know you're rude but there's no need to be offensive. What say we re-visit this topic on the 1st February after there has been no big signings in January and you may then like to re-consider your position. Not for the first time you become offensive and objectionable when you hear something you don't like. Probably you've inhaled too much gas dear boy!

I'll take a £50 charitable bet on that with you Saintlysoul (I'm doing well on such bets...just ask ghk!)
We sign a player in January...you donate £50 to the Saints foundation....and prove it...deal?

Helloooooooo....I assume you missed my offer...you want to take the bet?

I'll happily double up on the bet; I'm even happy to specify that we'll spend in excess of £4M before the end of January.

Want to take it on? If you believe your sources telling you there's no money, saintlysoul, you'd be foolish not to take the bet.

IMO you are lining yourself up to look a dikc if saints do spend big and uve claimed on here u have sources who say we won't spend anything.
He should throw in an 'IMO', or 'I reckon'.

saintlysoul wrote:

slugger wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Slugger I know you're rude but there's no need to be offensive. What say we re-visit this topic on the 1st February after there has been no big signings in January and you may then like to re-consider your position. Not for the first time you become offensive and objectionable when you hear something you don't like. Probably you've inhaled too much gas dear boy!

I'll take a £50 charitable bet on that with you Saintlysoul (I'm doing well on such bets...just ask ghk!)
We sign a player in January...you donate £50 to the Saints foundation....and prove it...deal?

Helloooooooo....I assume you missed my offer...you want to take the bet?

I'll happily double up on the bet; I'm even happy to specify that we'll spend in excess of £4M before the end of January.

Want to take it on? If you believe your sources telling you there's no money, saintlysoul, you'd be foolish not to take the bet.

I can't bet on this as it would be tantamount to 'insider dealing' trust me there is no money!!!!

LOL ..... "insider dealing" .... yeah , right .... if i had a pound for every poster that was "in the know" ...........

Slugger if only you knew..........

saintlysoul wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Slugger I know you're rude but there's no need to be offensive. What say we re-visit this topic on the 1st February after there has been no big signings in January and you may then like to re-consider your position. Not for the first time you become offensive and objectionable when you hear something you don't like. Probably you've inhaled too much gas dear boy!

I'll take a £50 charitable bet on that with you Saintlysoul (I'm doing well on such bets...just ask ghk!)
We sign a player in January...you donate £50 to the Saints foundation....and prove it...deal?

Helloooooooo....I assume you missed my offer...you want to take the bet?

I'll happily double up on the bet; I'm even happy to specify that we'll spend in excess of £4M before the end of January.

Want to take it on? If you believe your sources telling you there's no money, saintlysoul, you'd be foolish not to take the bet.

IMO you are lining yourself up to look a dikc if saints do spend big and uve claimed on here u have sources who say we won't spend anything.
He should throw in an 'IMO', or 'I reckon'.

Just wait and see!

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Slugger I know you're rude but there's no need to be offensive. What say we re-visit this topic on the 1st February after there has been no big signings in January and you may then like to re-consider your position. Not for the first time you become offensive and objectionable when you hear something you don't like. Probably you've inhaled too much gas dear boy!

I'll take a £50 charitable bet on that with you Saintlysoul (I'm doing well on such bets...just ask ghk!)
We sign a player in January...you donate £50 to the Saints foundation....and prove it...deal?

Helloooooooo....I assume you missed my offer...you want to take the bet?

I'll happily double up on the bet; I'm even happy to specify that we'll spend in excess of £4M before the end of January.

Want to take it on? If you believe your sources telling you there's no money, saintlysoul, you'd be foolish not to take the bet.

I can't bet on this as it would be tantamount to 'insider dealing' trust me there is no money!!!!

LOL ..... "insider dealing" .... yeah , right .... if i had a pound for every poster that was "in the know" ...........

you would have £4 ?

saintlysoul wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Slugger I know you're rude but there's no need to be offensive. What say we re-visit this topic on the 1st February after there has been no big signings in January and you may then like to re-consider your position. Not for the first time you become offensive and objectionable when you hear something you don't like. Probably you've inhaled too much gas dear boy!

I'll take a £50 charitable bet on that with you Saintlysoul (I'm doing well on such bets...just ask ghk!)
We sign a player in January...you donate £50 to the Saints foundation....and prove it...deal?

Helloooooooo....I assume you missed my offer...you want to take the bet?

I'll happily double up on the bet; I'm even happy to specify that we'll spend in excess of £4M before the end of January.

Want to take it on? If you believe your sources telling you there's no money, saintlysoul, you'd be foolish not to take the bet.

I can't bet on this as it would be tantamount to 'insider dealing' trust me there is no money!!!!

SaintMax wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Slugger I know you're rude but there's no need to be offensive. What say we re-visit this topic on the 1st February after there has been no big signings in January and you may then like to re-consider your position. Not for the first time you become offensive and objectionable when you hear something you don't like. Probably you've inhaled too much gas dear boy!

I'll take a £50 charitable bet on that with you Saintlysoul (I'm doing well on such bets...just ask ghk!)
We sign a player in January...you donate £50 to the Saints foundation....and prove it...deal?

Helloooooooo....I assume you missed my offer...you want to take the bet?

I'll happily double up on the bet; I'm even happy to specify that we'll spend in excess of £4M before the end of January.

Want to take it on? If you believe your sources telling you there's no money, saintlysoul, you'd be foolish not to take the bet.

IMO you are lining yourself up to look a dikc if saints do spend big and uve claimed on here u have sources who say we won't spend anything.
He should throw in an 'IMO', or 'I reckon'.

Just wait and see!

I think u are full of shlt and that's my opinion, not from any of my sources. There's too much talk of saints being in advanced talks on various high value players for absolutely nothing to happen.
Just wait and see!

Baddesley Bill wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Slugger I know you're rude but there's no need to be offensive. What say we re-visit this topic on the 1st February after there has been no big signings in January and you may then like to re-consider your position. Not for the first time you become offensive and objectionable when you hear something you don't like. Probably you've inhaled too much gas dear boy!

I'll take a £50 charitable bet on that with you Saintlysoul (I'm doing well on such bets...just ask ghk!)
We sign a player in January...you donate £50 to the Saints foundation....and prove it...deal?

Helloooooooo....I assume you missed my offer...you want to take the bet?

I'll happily double up on the bet; I'm even happy to specify that we'll spend in excess of £4M before the end of January.

Want to take it on? If you believe your sources telling you there's no money, saintlysoul, you'd be foolish not to take the bet.

I can't bet on this as it would be tantamount to 'insider dealing' trust me there is no money!!!!

Oh dear...this isn't exactly the murky world of insider dealing Saintlysoul...just a couple of real fans making your remarks on here look very very silly.

Take the bet if you stand by your words.

saintlysoul wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:

SaintMax wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Slugger I know you're rude but there's no need to be offensive. What say we re-visit this topic on the 1st February after there has been no big signings in January and you may then like to re-consider your position. Not for the first time you become offensive and objectionable when you hear something you don't like. Probably you've inhaled too much gas dear boy!

I'll take a £50 charitable bet on that with you Saintlysoul (I'm doing well on such bets...just ask ghk!)
We sign a player in January...you donate £50 to the Saints foundation....and prove it...deal?

Helloooooooo....I assume you missed my offer...you want to take the bet?

I'll happily double up on the bet; I'm even happy to specify that we'll spend in excess of £4M before the end of January.

Want to take it on? If you believe your sources telling you there's no money, saintlysoul, you'd be foolish not to take the bet.

IMO you are lining yourself up to look a dikc if saints do spend big and uve claimed on here u have sources who say we won't spend anything.
He should throw in an 'IMO', or 'I reckon'.

Just wait and see!

I think u are full of shlt and that's my opinion, not from any of my sources. There's too much talk of saints being in advanced talks on various high value players for absolutely nothing to happen.
Just wait and see!

Talk from whom?

saintlysoul wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Slugger I know you're rude but there's no need to be offensive. What say we re-visit this topic on the 1st February after there has been no big signings in January and you may then like to re-consider your position. Not for the first time you become offensive and objectionable when you hear something you don't like. Probably you've inhaled too much gas dear boy!

I'll take a £50 charitable bet on that with you Saintlysoul (I'm doing well on such bets...just ask ghk!)
We sign a player in January...you donate £50 to the Saints foundation....and prove it...deal?

Helloooooooo....I assume you missed my offer...you want to take the bet?

I'll happily double up on the bet; I'm even happy to specify that we'll spend in excess of £4M before the end of January.

Want to take it on? If you believe your sources telling you there's no money, saintlysoul, you'd be foolish not to take the bet.

I can't bet on this as it would be tantamount to 'insider dealing' trust me there is no money!!!!

Oh dear...this isn't exactly the murky world of insider dealing Saintlysoul...just a couple of real fans making your remarks on here look very very silly.

Take the bet if you stand by your words.

1st February !

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Slugger I know you're rude but there's no need to be offensive. What say we re-visit this topic on the 1st February after there has been no big signings in January and you may then like to re-consider your position. Not for the first time you become offensive and objectionable when you hear something you don't like. Probably you've inhaled too much gas dear boy!

I'll take a £50 charitable bet on that with you Saintlysoul (I'm doing well on such bets...just ask ghk!)
We sign a player in January...you donate £50 to the Saints foundation....and prove it...deal?

Helloooooooo....I assume you missed my offer...you want to take the bet?

I'll happily double up on the bet; I'm even happy to specify that we'll spend in excess of £4M before the end of January.

Want to take it on? If you believe your sources telling you there's no money, saintlysoul, you'd be foolish not to take the bet.

I can't bet on this as it would be tantamount to 'insider dealing' trust me there is no money!!!!

LOL ..... "insider dealing" .... yeah , right .... if i had a pound for every poster that was "in the know" ...........

you would have £4 ?

4 grand more like ....... i admit to doing myself to see what reaction i get ....... nobody on here knows jack !

saintlysoul wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Slugger I know you're rude but there's no need to be offensive. What say we re-visit this topic on the 1st February after there has been no big signings in January and you may then like to re-consider your position. Not for the first time you become offensive and objectionable when you hear something you don't like. Probably you've inhaled too much gas dear boy!

I'll take a £50 charitable bet on that with you Saintlysoul (I'm doing well on such bets...just ask ghk!)
We sign a player in January...you donate £50 to the Saints foundation....and prove it...deal?

Helloooooooo....I assume you missed my offer...you want to take the bet?

I'll happily double up on the bet; I'm even happy to specify that we'll spend in excess of £4M before the end of January.

Want to take it on? If you believe your sources telling you there's no money, saintlysoul, you'd be foolish not to take the bet.

I can't bet on this as it would be tantamount to 'insider dealing' trust me there is no money!!!!

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Slugger I know you're rude but there's no need to be offensive. What say we re-visit this topic on the 1st February after there has been no big signings in January and you may then like to re-consider your position. Not for the first time you become offensive and objectionable when you hear something you don't like. Probably you've inhaled too much gas dear boy!

I'll take a £50 charitable bet on that with you Saintlysoul (I'm doing well on such bets...just ask ghk!)
We sign a player in January...you donate £50 to the Saints foundation....and prove it...deal?

Helloooooooo....I assume you missed my offer...you want to take the bet?

I'll happily double up on the bet; I'm even happy to specify that we'll spend in excess of £4M before the end of January.

Want to take it on? If you believe your sources telling you there's no money, saintlysoul, you'd be foolish not to take the bet.

I can't bet on this as it would be tantamount to 'insider dealing' trust me there is no money!!!!

LOL ..... "insider dealing" .... yeah , right .... if i had a pound for every poster that was "in the know" ...........

you would have £4 ?

4 grand more like ....... i admit to doing myself to see what reaction i get ....... nobody on here knows jack !

you will probably think this is total **** then but here goes.... about 12ish years ago I was fulfilling a contract at the house of the then portsmouth F.C. manager. It was a saturday morning, about 11:00am. The meeting concluded and the guy told me something "in confidence" that was going to happen at the club by the end of the day. As I left the house, there was an old guy hosing down a 4x4 and he whispered to me "no chance, he's got that totally wrong, it will get called off before nighfall"..... The guy who was cleaning the car as it turned out knew more than the manager of the football club.... for reasons that I understood a few years later by accident but thats another story, the point being, the guy in the know that time knew more than the first team manager.

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Slugger I know you're rude but there's no need to be offensive. What say we re-visit this topic on the 1st February after there has been no big signings in January and you may then like to re-consider your position. Not for the first time you become offensive and objectionable when you hear something you don't like. Probably you've inhaled too much gas dear boy!

I'll take a £50 charitable bet on that with you Saintlysoul (I'm doing well on such bets...just ask ghk!)
We sign a player in January...you donate £50 to the Saints foundation....and prove it...deal?

Helloooooooo....I assume you missed my offer...you want to take the bet?

I'll happily double up on the bet; I'm even happy to specify that we'll spend in excess of £4M before the end of January.

Want to take it on? If you believe your sources telling you there's no money, saintlysoul, you'd be foolish not to take the bet.

I can't bet on this as it would be tantamount to 'insider dealing' trust me there is no money!!!!

LOL ..... "insider dealing" .... yeah , right .... if i had a pound for every poster that was "in the know" ...........

you would have £4 ?

4 grand more like ....... i admit to doing myself to see what reaction i get ....... nobody on here knows jack !

you will probably think this is total **** then but here goes.... about 12ish years ago I was fulfilling a contract at the house of the then portsmouth F.C. manager. It was a saturday morning, about 11:00am. The meeting concluded and the guy told me something "in confidence" that was going to happen at the club by the end of the day. As I left the house, there was an old guy hosing down a 4x4 and he whispered to me "no chance, he's got that totally wrong, it will get called off before nighfall"..... The guy who was cleaning the car as it turned out knew more than the manager of the football club.... for reasons that I understood a few years later by accident but thats another story, the point being, the guy in the know that time knew more than the first team manager.

MGRA wrote:

SO50 Saint wrote:
family of three, an arsenal academy kid and his mum and dad from Ringwood. The club told them when they bought the tickets they could sit in the family enclosure, but when Arsenal equalised and he celebrated, he was threatened by Saints "fans" in the family enclosure and the brave Stewards ejected the three of them....”

That's society today unfortunately very sad though that this would happen in the family enclosure.

just cowardly stewarding... I have been to about 100 games over the years in the family enclosure and there has often been kids and their parents in their supporting the other team. Thats the whole point of a "Family" enclosure for most clubs.... maybe along with the bimbo-programme sellers came a new generation of clueless stewards...

St Retford wrote:

hates the skates wrote:
we aint going to get any of these players because N C is to arogant when it comes to these transfer dealings its all his way or no way, which is why this will drag on all month and then at 10-midnight on the 31-1 were panic buy and end up with worse players than we have already got a shambolic side for the next 10 games and our fellow relegation strugglers will have the edge over us because they have done their buisness early, i was hoping N C would of learned this in the summer, it appears not. its ok when we were signing players from bristol rovers, mk dons, exeter etc. he could bully them into signing on his terms. its a different proposition when you are dealing with top flight sides who wont be bullied, thats why we wont get any of these players and on 31st watch this space...............


.................. i hope i eat my words cause i would love to have these here!!!!!!

Yeah, that's EXACTLY what happened with Gaston, isn't it? We were so close to signing him but Nicola ruined everything...

Velleity wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:

Velleity wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

saintlysoul wrote:
Slugger I know you're rude but there's no need to be offensive. What say we re-visit this topic on the 1st February after there has been no big signings in January and you may then like to re-consider your position. Not for the first time you become offensive and objectionable when you hear something you don't like. Probably you've inhaled too much gas dear boy!

I'll take a £50 charitable bet on that with you Saintlysoul (I'm doing well on such bets...just ask ghk!)
We sign a player in January...you donate £50 to the Saints foundation....and prove it...deal?

Helloooooooo....I assume you missed my offer...you want to take the bet?

I'll happily double up on the bet; I'm even happy to specify that we'll spend in excess of £4M before the end of January.

Want to take it on? If you believe your sources telling you there's no money, saintlysoul, you'd be foolish not to take the bet.

I can't bet on this as it would be tantamount to 'insider dealing' trust me there is no money!!!!

"Insider dealing" - getting two mugs (Me and Bill) to give money to charity?

Clearly you have no confidence whatsoever in your claim. Wrap it up how you want but that's it.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote:

MGRA wrote:

slugger wrote: