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Saints season ticket holder hits out
6:03pm Saturday 19th January 2013 in Sport
Mauricio Pochettino
SAINTS season ticket holder Martin Van Tuyl believes he has been “held in contempt” following Nigel Adkins’ shock sacking.
Here is the letter Van Tuyl has emailed to the Daily Echo.
I have often been critical of Nigel Adkins. I could not understand for the life of me why he never got a decent centre half in during the summer. I was at both Villa and Chelsea and was quite bemused by Adkins' line up at Stamford Bridge. But his gamble paid off and we got four points from two very difficult away games.
If Cortese has sacked Adkins in November, I would not have been too critical.
But to sack him now at this stage of the season in the middle of the transfer window is utterly criminal. We are playing Everton, which was always going to be difficult but not impossible. A win on Monday would go a long way towards our survival. To give the job to Pochettino (WHO?) at this stage of the season is beyond a gamble. Pochettino speaks no English and I would doubt whether he knows a lot about our players or the league we are trying to stay in.
Added to all this mayhem, this act of vandalism will have given the teams around us a huge boost. Saints seemed to have turned the corner. I still thought it was going to be a nervous end to the season but...we had every chance of survival. Adkins deserved the chance to see the job throught until May.
The Everton game is now going to be interesting for all the wrong reasons. How are the crowd going to react to Pochettino? Are we now going to end up with the Chelsea scenario with Rafa? How are the players going to react? Are we still going to strengthen the squad?
Cortese seems to think the club needs to kick on to a higher level. After back to back promotions, the main objective was always to stay in the league.
Should we go down, is Pochettino equipped to get us back up?
As a season ticket holder, I have been held in contempt.
Yes, I was critical of Adkins but he earned the right to lead Saints until the end of the season.
One thing is beyond doubt, Pochettino had better hit the ground running. I don't think there will be much of a honeymoon period. Our league position will not allow it.
Martin van Tuyl, Kingsland season ticket holder
Read more fans' views in Monday's Daily Echo
Comments(42)
Skating on thin ice
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6:29pm Sat 19 Jan 13
He sacks who he wants
He sacks who he wants
Nicola Cortese
He sacks who he wants
ghk230473
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6:40pm Sat 19 Jan 13
skatebait wrote:History 'my son will tell you how this will end. Remember a certain ruppert?
Wind your neck in son.
You know f all about how this decision will pan out, so you and your precious season ticket need to do what you do best and support the Saints.
He thought he knew best chopped and changed managers and generally upset all he came into contact with. Cortese is worse, read moyes comments, he's spot on
batesieboy
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6:45pm Sat 19 Jan 13
skatebait
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6:54pm Sat 19 Jan 13
ghk230473 wrote:Mr lowe is not Mr Cortese.. Cortese has a grand vision for my club and I believe in him... has he been wrong yet?? Do you and others just want him to fail?? Stop looking back all the time.
skatebait wrote:History 'my son will tell you how this will end. Remember a certain ruppert?
Wind your neck in son.
You know f all about how this decision will pan out, so you and your precious season ticket need to do what you do best and support the Saints.
He thought he knew best chopped and changed managers and generally upset all he came into contact with. Cortese is worse, read moyes comments, he's spot on
batesieboy
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7:05pm Sat 19 Jan 13
holburymonk
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7:09pm Sat 19 Jan 13
ghk230473 wrote:I bet you also complained when Cortese sacked Pardew. As we all know that was a good decision, and I for one am prepared to accept that he has Saints best interest in his decision making.
skatebait wrote:History 'my son will tell you how this will end. Remember a certain ruppert?
Wind your neck in son.
You know f all about how this decision will pan out, so you and your precious season ticket need to do what you do best and support the Saints.
He thought he knew best chopped and changed managers and generally upset all he came into contact with. Cortese is worse, read moyes comments, he's spot on
I will be there on Monday cheering on the team and welcoming the new manager into the Saints family.
wiltssaint
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7:12pm Sat 19 Jan 13
st1halo
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7:14pm Sat 19 Jan 13
batesieboy wrote:Fcuking Brilliant
Er, yeah. That's what bosses do, particularly if they think it is the right thing to do. It's not always pretty. Cortese is in charge, and we would not have a Club at all, certainly not in the Premiership, if it weren't for Cortese. So yeah, he can sack who he wants. He has got nothing wrong yet, so far as I can see. All the over-emotional, histrionic, theatrical posts just make me laugh. Judge at season's end. It does not say on your season ticket: "We'll give you a ring to see what you think when we've got a decision to make". Grow up, and support the Saints. We have an important game on Monday night. Nigel is a multi-millionaire, thanks to Cortese, and will have another lucrative job in no time. Boo hoo.
STID
skatebait
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7:15pm Sat 19 Jan 13
wiltssaint wrote:Spot on
More extraordinary views from Saints fans. Exactly what rights do you think your season ticket gives you (beyond your seat of course)? That Mr Cortese will come round to knock on your door to personally canvas your opinion before he makes a decision? Im afraid it is time for all those fans who think their support somehow bestows upon them involvement in the running of the club to wake up to reality. Yes this was a harsh decision (and undoubtedly a risk at a crucial time in the season), but Mr Cortese has not done much wrong yet. I am sick of 'Saints fans' saying they now want us to go down, or that they will never come to St Marys again etc etc. Petulant and childish.
northernsaint70
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7:29pm Sat 19 Jan 13
I have had my doubts through the season with some strange line ups and substitutions but believed he deserved the chance to see the season through
Whether we agree with the decision or not it has been made and we now need to get behind the new manager and continue to support the team
Cortese was right replacing Pardue. Who is to say this is not another good call. Only time will tell
COYR's
Channonite
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7:31pm Sat 19 Jan 13
I will be in my seat (snow permitting) on Monday to see the first match in the next chapter of the Saints story and I will be supporting the team and new manager.
Outside of the Box
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7:31pm Sat 19 Jan 13
"As a season ticket holder, I think you're a prat"
InCortesewetrust
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7:36pm Sat 19 Jan 13
batesieboy wrote:LOL well said, no one wanted adkins after AP, cortesse didn't know what he was doing that day either, history proved the know it alls wrong,
Er, yeah. That's what bosses do, particularly if they think it is the right thing to do. It's not always pretty. Cortese is in charge, and we would not have a Club at all, certainly not in the Premiership, if it weren't for Cortese. So yeah, he can sack who he wants. He has got nothing wrong yet, so far as I can see. All the over-emotional, histrionic, theatrical posts just make me laugh. Judge at season's end. It does not say on your season ticket: "We'll give you a ring to see what you think when we've got a decision to make". Grow up, and support the Saints. We have an important game on Monday night. Nigel is a multi-millionaire, thanks to Cortese, and will have another lucrative job in no time. Boo hoo.
SaintJoeBhoy
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7:39pm Sat 19 Jan 13
St. Case
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7:42pm Sat 19 Jan 13
Outside of the Box
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8:13pm Sat 19 Jan 13
usin.com/2013/01/18/
mauricio-pochettino-
the-man-with-a-plan/
Have a read of this
WECOMING4U
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8:13pm Sat 19 Jan 13
legod7
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8:14pm Sat 19 Jan 13
upwherewebelong
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8:35pm Sat 19 Jan 13
batesieboy wrote:Batesie I guess from the tone of your posts you are firmly in the NA hater category of fan that we have. How do you know that NA is a "multi-millionaire" and please stop INSULTING fellow saints fans just because you disagree with them. There is a sad and worrying trend on these threads that if someone disagrees with someone elses view they insult them like we are back on school playgrounds where bullying happened. Please may I respectfully urge to you respect other peoples views. You don't have to like them or even agree with them but your attitude sums up so much of what is wrong with modern Britain that only your view is right and matters. Yes I agree we need to judge at the end of season but in my opinion people have the right to express concern.
Er, yeah. That's what bosses do, particularly if they think it is the right thing to do. It's not always pretty. Cortese is in charge, and we would not have a Club at all, certainly not in the Premiership, if it weren't for Cortese. So yeah, he can sack who he wants. He has got nothing wrong yet, so far as I can see. All the over-emotional, histrionic, theatrical posts just make me laugh. Judge at season's end. It does not say on your season ticket: "We'll give you a ring to see what you think when we've got a decision to make". Grow up, and support the Saints. We have an important game on Monday night. Nigel is a multi-millionaire, thanks to Cortese, and will have another lucrative job in no time. Boo hoo.
Dorssaints
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8:51pm Sat 19 Jan 13
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I guess that is why I am not the C.E. of a premiership club.
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I just worry about the timing given that we were heading in the right direction!
promised land
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8:53pm Sat 19 Jan 13
On Monday I will be fully behind my team and in no way will I be demonstrating. Adkins is gone and will not be coming back. Get over it and move on. COYR
thomasupton
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8:56pm Sat 19 Jan 13
lowe hater, cornwall
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9:20pm Sat 19 Jan 13
Skating on thin ice wrote:You lot on here are a joke ! Call yourself true supporters what Cortese has done is disgraceful and he should be held accountable he is not bigger than the club stinking iti tosser if we get relegated it will be on his head and cappuccino or what ever his name is will lead us straight back to the championship !! An unbelievable decision at this stage in the season
Mr van Tuyl: as a season ticket holder you have made a significant financial investment at the personal level. But in the grand scheme of things, you are nothing. A drop in the ocean of the financial business of football. Mr Cortese will take no notice of you at all.
He sacks who he wants
He sacks who he wants
Nicola Cortese
He sacks who he wants
shaun_inuk
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9:21pm Sat 19 Jan 13
skatebait wrote:Patronising g1t,who are you telling to wind your neck in, aren't people entitled to their opinion?
Wind your neck in son.
You know f all about how this decision will pan out, so you and your precious season ticket need to do what you do best and support the Saints.
lowe hater, cornwall
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9:34pm Sat 19 Jan 13
shaun_inuk wrote:Absolutely, didn't realise that some of our fans are total nobs and that they don't seem to give a stuff about the team or Adkins treatment !!
skatebait wrote:Patronising g1t,who are you telling to wind your neck in, aren't people entitled to their opinion?
Wind your neck in son.
You know f all about how this decision will pan out, so you and your precious season ticket need to do what you do best and support the Saints.
skatebait
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10:05pm Sat 19 Jan 13
lowe hater, cornwall wrote:Aren't people entitled to their opinion. ...priceless. ..
shaun_inuk wrote:Absolutely, didn't realise that some of our fans are total nobs and that they don't seem to give a stuff about the team or Adkins treatment !!
skatebait wrote:Patronising g1t,who are you telling to wind your neck in, aren't people entitled to their opinion?
Wind your neck in son.
You know f all about how this decision will pan out, so you and your precious season ticket need to do what you do best and support the Saints.
Don't give a stuff about the team. ...
Really you two get to bed, church in the morning x
skatebait
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10:11pm Sat 19 Jan 13
lowe hater, cornwall wrote:You xenophobic small minded negative moron. Cant belive you call yourself a Saints fan
Skating on thin ice wrote:You lot on here are a joke ! Call yourself true supporters what Cortese has done is disgraceful and he should be held accountable he is not bigger than the club stinking iti tosser if we get relegated it will be on his head and cappuccino or what ever his name is will lead us straight back to the championship !! An unbelievable decision at this stage in the season
Mr van Tuyl: as a season ticket holder you have made a significant financial investment at the personal level. But in the grand scheme of things, you are nothing. A drop in the ocean of the financial business of football. Mr Cortese will take no notice of you at all.
He sacks who he wants
He sacks who he wants
Nicola Cortese
He sacks who he wants
lowe hater, cornwall
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10:15pm Sat 19 Jan 13
skatebait wrote:What and you think you are !! Tosser disappear back under your rock
lowe hater, cornwall wrote:You xenophobic small minded negative moron. Cant belive you call yourself a Saints fan
Skating on thin ice wrote:You lot on here are a joke ! Call yourself true supporters what Cortese has done is disgraceful and he should be held accountable he is not bigger than the club stinking iti tosser if we get relegated it will be on his head and cappuccino or what ever his name is will lead us straight back to the championship !! An unbelievable decision at this stage in the season
Mr van Tuyl: as a season ticket holder you have made a significant financial investment at the personal level. But in the grand scheme of things, you are nothing. A drop in the ocean of the financial business of football. Mr Cortese will take no notice of you at all.
He sacks who he wants
He sacks who he wants
Nicola Cortese
He sacks who he wants
Littleton-Saint
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12:54am Sun 20 Jan 13
randre
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1:22am Sun 20 Jan 13
lowe hater, cornwall wrote:No, he is right actually. Within your post you have shown a degree of being a petulant child by name calling of human beings.
skatebait wrote:What and you think you are !! Tosser disappear back under your rock
lowe hater, cornwall wrote:You xenophobic small minded negative moron. Cant belive you call yourself a Saints fan
Skating on thin ice wrote:You lot on here are a joke ! Call yourself true supporters what Cortese has done is disgraceful and he should be held accountable he is not bigger than the club stinking iti tosser if we get relegated it will be on his head and cappuccino or what ever his name is will lead us straight back to the championship !! An unbelievable decision at this stage in the season
Mr van Tuyl: as a season ticket holder you have made a significant financial investment at the personal level. But in the grand scheme of things, you are nothing. A drop in the ocean of the financial business of football. Mr Cortese will take no notice of you at all.
He sacks who he wants
He sacks who he wants
Nicola Cortese
He sacks who he wants
I don't like what has happened, but I don't want it to destroy everything that has been achieved. I will support the team right through.
I may not at this moment in time like what Cortese has done, but calling him childish names won't help. Let's just hope the decision works out well for the good of Saints and let's support the team and manager moving forward.
As for Nigel, he will least be a saint on my eyes.
costa gaz
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8:50am Sun 20 Jan 13
MP sacked by Espanol for being useless. (his replacement has revitalised the side with 4 wins and 3 draws out of the 9 games he's been in charge)
Cortese's fans will say that, whatever he does, he does for the good of the club, but it is no excuse to act like he does.
He is a thoroughly despicable poor excuse for a man, representing everything that is wrong with modern football and dragging the good name of Southampton football club through the mud.
I won't stop support the team, but this has left a nasty taste in the mouth.
warrens 76
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9:40am Sun 20 Jan 13
costa gaz wrote:A TRUCE please.
NA sacked for being very good at his job.
MP sacked by Espanol for being useless. (his replacement has revitalised the side with 4 wins and 3 draws out of the 9 games he's been in charge)
Cortese's fans will say that, whatever he does, he does for the good of the club, but it is no excuse to act like he does.
He is a thoroughly despicable poor excuse for a man, representing everything that is wrong with modern football and dragging the good name of Southampton football club through the mud.
I won't stop support the team, but this has left a nasty taste in the mouth.
Whatever everyone's personal reactions and over-reactions this has got to stop...
Firstly: the club NEED us whoever is in charge, all who think they are being loyal to NA, ask yourself would he want to see his work undone, the effort all for nothing, fans tearing each oter apart..NO, you dishonour him by being disloyal to the club...
Secondly: We love NA for his decency, dignity and SUCCESS, all this moralising would not exist if he had missed promotion last season and we did almost blow it...had we been firmly in the relegation zone would everyone be so outraged.NO...it is because he was succesfull AND decent not just the decency..so those who are venting at NA are you holier than thou?
Three: I wish NA had not gone HOWEVER I will not deny that some of our panicking and giving up possession, speed of play, and substitutions left me worried, I believe we can do better whether that was due to NA is yet to be seen.
Four: NC....judging from our early start he would be neglectful in the extreme if he did NOT line up successors...many including myself thought that we were getting there....
Five: our recent results look flattering in comparison to our early season form nonetheless we still have lost more points from leading positions than any other team.
Six: If we want a glowing future we have to think ahead, our greatest asset is our academy...as potential constant relegation candidates (if NA had reached his limits) those players who want honours and european football will always be destined to leave us...
Seven: If our academy grows and links in with Argentinian and Spanish youth and boy can they play..I ask all fans to think of the implications!!!
Remember that picture of the enlarged stadium, european football and a feeling of loyalty and belonging to all those poor SOUTHERN kids with no identity but a mufco shirt....
If Cortese gets it wrong he will pay the price....NA will always be a wonderful person to us, let us not forget what he taught us...together as one...
I remember the interview at the end of last season..the writing was on the wall for a long time...
I will miss him AND I want the South to for once have a chance to join the big league, with this in mind the new guy has to be welcomed and NC judged end of season we have a difficult run in did NC stick or twist who can tell until the fat lady sings.
StJohn
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11:22am Sun 20 Jan 13
If Tesco does something you don't like go to Lidl instead
noodlesnewman
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12:14pm Sun 20 Jan 13
batesieboy wrote:well said mate , spot on , stop winging and support saints !we all lucky to have a club with real ambition ! If it was nt for cortese who knows where we d be probably floundering around in league 1 and waiting half the night for m o t d to come on x
Er, yeah. That's what bosses do, particularly if they think it is the right thing to do. It's not always pretty. Cortese is in charge, and we would not have a Club at all, certainly not in the Premiership, if it weren't for Cortese. So yeah, he can sack who he wants. He has got nothing wrong yet, so far as I can see. All the over-emotional, histrionic, theatrical posts just make me laugh. Judge at season's end. It does not say on your season ticket: "We'll give you a ring to see what you think when we've got a decision to make". Grow up, and support the Saints. We have an important game on Monday night. Nigel is a multi-millionaire, thanks to Cortese, and will have another lucrative job in no time. Boo hoo.
noodlesnewman
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12:19pm Sun 20 Jan 13
Outside of the Box wrote:go down m27 and grab a cheap ticket if ur that unhappy its your choice , victor !
"As a season ticket holder, I have been held in contempt"
"As a season ticket holder, I think you're a prat"
St.henley
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12:56pm Sun 20 Jan 13
saint Compo
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1:43pm Sun 20 Jan 13
Once we get over the emotional reaction to Nigel's sacking (the manner of which was the saddest part), we should reflect more carefully on Saints situation.
30 months ago SFC was close to the scrap heap (just like Poopey now are). We were rescued by St Markus AND by Cortese, his financial adviser, who put Markus onto the takeover of the club. Both have been revered by Saints fans as heroes, notwithstanding some concerns about Cortese's ways of doing business - e.g. the sacking of Pardew and his replacement with Nigel which was itself seriously questioned at the time and his ill-judged run-in with the media which means that they will take any chance now to rubbish Cortese for revenge.
We live in a different age. Football has (unfortunately, in my view) changed in many ways. The big money ownership by foreign magnates started with the big name clubs but is gradually spreading to the so-called smaller clubs. SFC now falls into that category. We can't turn back the clock. We can't beat 'em so we have to join 'em, unless we want to remain a football minnow.
Cortese is ambitious. He is still backed (we assume) by Liebherr money despite the demise of St Markus. We may not agree with his ways but surely we have to go with his ambition for SFC. If Cortese (and thereby the Liebherr family) call it a day and sell us to another rich foreign owner or a private equity consortium, who knows who will own the club. We can do without the likes of Poopey's erstwhile owners.
As some have said, the fans pay good money to watch the Saints but just think how much money is being put at risk by SFC's financial backers. I believe that Cortese is trying to fulfill St Markus's dream of making the Saints a truly major club and only that is keeping the Liebherr family on board. If the fans jeopardise that by withdrawing their full support of the team (and thereby the club), the Liebherrs will probably throw in the towel. And who could blame them?
We have to ask ourselves as devoted Saints fans (and I have been one for nearly 60 years): what do we want for our cherished club? The chance to reach the top of the tree or settling for at best mid-table mediocrity. Yer pays yer money and yer takes yer choice.
By all means, on Monday night give a final rendering of 'there's only one Nigel Adkins' because that is true. He did a great job for us, was a true gentleman and will long remain in the hearts of Saints fans. He kept his dignity even when he was thrown off the bus. His final message to the team says so much about the man but it is also a message to us fans. Keep the faith, keep believing in what we have been doing and keep improving.
We fans must also keep our dignity. We are not Chelski fans. We are THE SAINTS. Let's not let ourselves down by foolish behaviour at Monday's game. Support the team as we always have - the players need that support even more in the coming weeks with the uncertainties created by Nigel's departure. Let's stick together and reach for the top.
We owe it to Nigel who, given the nature of the man, will be as keen for Saints to progress as we must surely be and will, I believe, retain a genuine fondness for those 'great fans' as he sincerely called us.
In short, let's keep calm and carry on.
COYR
zambucco
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1:46pm Sun 20 Jan 13
We've enjoyed good times recently and were starting to look safe back in the Premiership. Yes Cortese is an enigma, maybe a genius maybe a fool, love him or hate him, he is our chairman and runs the club. I believe he wants Saints to be successful and will be ruthless and making this happen, I will not complain about success.
But I will complain about his total lack of humanity, to sack a successful man in this manner is despicable, and does leave a nasty taste.
I for one will not be joining in any protest of in any form (white hankies? please, we're already a laughing stock don't make it worse) I will be right behind MY team the team I love, I will continue to give it my all for the lads, also I will give señor Pochettino every chance to prove himself. As I am certain that all of you on here will do despite your difference of opinions.
COYR!
skiptonsaint
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3:52pm Sun 20 Jan 13
Littleton-Saint wrote:good post
The integrity and good reputation of our club has been severely damaged by the events on Friday. Even if the gamble works, the loss of integrity is not a price worth paying, imo. Any manager would find the current decision-making structure at Saints frustrating and unworkable. The Dark Lord is dead but seems to be fit and well and living in St Mary's all over again. I'm ashamed of my club at the moment, quite ashamed.
been thinking a lot about all this and great shame to see us fighting each again.
most has been said and to a large degree its about results till the end of this season
what worries me is a lot of people who seem to know a lot about football in the papers this weekend seem to think we have made a very risky and foolish decision
i just hope cortese knows more than all of them....
townieboy
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6:47pm Sun 20 Jan 13
OSPREYSAINT
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7:25pm Sun 20 Jan 13
thomasupton wrote:To tell you the truth Thomas, the interpetreter is a better tactician than the gaffer so I think we will be OK.
Can't see how you can have a head coach who can't communicate with the players unless through an interpreter.

skatebait says...
6:23pm Sat 19 Jan 13
You know f all about how this decision will pan out, so you and your precious season ticket need to do what you do best and support the Saints.