Saints boss to face FA misconduct charge? (From Daily Echo)

Have they not got anything better to do

There are good Referees that have a bad game, there are bad Referees who have good games, this was an average Referee having a bad one. I sometimes think that they are a bit naive about just how important some of their individual decisions can be, looking at Clattenburgs reaction to the Players remonstrations, he seemd to be surprised, could be that our reputation for good behaviour gave him a false sense of security, so far this season the players have had to tolerate some fairly contentious decisions and have kept there cool. This particular decision was a bit different as it came at such a critical time in the game, as TV replays have shown it wasn't a good call, and if the Penalty had gone in I suspect it would have got even more unsavoury, feelings were at a high, this result was possibly a Seasons work thrown down the drain. Having said that, the behaviour although understandable, was wrong and Markus would have been very upset, NC and MP must get together and make sure that there is no repetition as this can damage the Club just when we need everyone getting it right if we are to survive. The last thing we want is suspensions and an excuse for the League to deduct points, which is not beyond them. The League also has to look at their Officials and ask why this sort of thing is happening, it isn't only us that are suffering, ask any Swansea fan about that amateur offside gaff last Saturday. At this level that should not be happening. IMO

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
There are good Referees that have a bad game, there are bad Referees who have good games, this was an average Referee having a bad one. I sometimes think that they are a bit naive about just how important some of their individual decisions can be, looking at Clattenburgs reaction to the Players remonstrations, he seemd to be surprised, could be that our reputation for good behaviour gave him a false sense of security, so far this season the players have had to tolerate some fairly contentious decisions and have kept there cool. This particular decision was a bit different as it came at such a critical time in the game, as TV replays have shown it wasn't a good call, and if the Penalty had gone in I suspect it would have got even more unsavoury, feelings were at a high, this result was possibly a Seasons work thrown down the drain. Having said that, the behaviour although understandable, was wrong and Markus would have been very upset, NC and MP must get together and make sure that there is no repetition as this can damage the Club just when we need everyone getting it right if we are to survive. The last thing we want is suspensions and an excuse for the League to deduct points, which is not beyond them. The League also has to look at their Officials and ask why this sort of thing is happening, it isn't only us that are suffering, ask any Swansea fan about that amateur offside gaff last Saturday. At this level that should not be happening. IMO

Sorry a few typos = seemd = *seemed* / there = *their*

As I said on the match thread, Clattenburg is always anti-Saints, as soon as I saw him on the pitch I said he would do something against us. Not the first time or the last time he will lose (or try to lose) us games.
Such a shame we played against 12 men... 11 a side and we would have won.

On another note...
I know a clean sheet was great but when will Forren start?
All the Norwegians out here can not understand it, he is a World class defender who scores goals (as he did for U-21 team)

just goes to prove that referee's cannot handle the modern game alone without the backup of a video ref.

What's the issue.. It was a foul and it was in the box so that means penalty. The decision was made and cannot be changed so why storm over and moan about it.

Norwegian Saint wrote:
On another note...
I know a clean sheet was great but when will Forren start?
All the Norwegians out here can not understand it, he is a World class defender who scores goals (as he did for U-21 team)

Played in the U21's 2 0 defeat at Arseal last night.

If anybody faces a misconduct charge it should be Twattenberg.

Don't you just love football? Man Utd have a player sent off for kicking somebody (admittedly by accident) in the upper chest and their captain sarcastically applauds the referee at the end of the game. That is then followed up by whiskey nose and the media having a bag on for a few days because their team lost. So far at least, it would appear that all those involved will escape any punishment. Wind on for a few days and Pinnochio has a go at the referee because he made a poor/shocking decision and the death penalty may be re-introduced to make sure he doesn't re-offend.
This is probably just the DE stirring things up but if not the FA would be far better advised to concentrate on making sure that in the future clubs cannot live beyond their means then have their debts written off and escape relatively un-punished (guess who) whilst others have the book thrown at them (Luton, Leeds, etc etc).

So maybe Mauricio is not the Messiah, but just a very naughty boy. Never mind it's only a flesh wound and Rickie's due a big one against Liverpool.

sotonwinch09 wrote:
What's the issue.. It was a foul and it was in the box so that means penalty. The decision was made and cannot be changed so why storm over and moan about it.

A good Referee would have seen Holt fouling Luke just before the alleged Penalty which most pundits say was a dodgy call anyway.

If the same incident had happened in the Norwich box, would anyone on here be complaining?

Would anyone be saying that Clattenburg had got it wrong?

They did not score and it is history now.

One sure thing, I bet that Clattenburg did not understand a word that Pochettino said.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

sotonwinch09 wrote:
What's the issue.. It was a foul and it was in the box so that means penalty. The decision was made and cannot be changed so why storm over and moan about it.

A good Referee would have seen Holt fouling Luke just before the alleged Penalty which most pundits say was a dodgy call anyway.

Well he obviously didn't see that. Even if it wasn't a penalty, why run up shouting and surrounding him? The decision has been made and will not be changed so keep that chin up and get on with the game.

sotonwinch09 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

sotonwinch09 wrote:
What's the issue.. It was a foul and it was in the box so that means penalty. The decision was made and cannot be changed so why storm over and moan about it.

A good Referee would have seen Holt fouling Luke just before the alleged Penalty which most pundits say was a dodgy call anyway.

Well he obviously didn't see that. Even if it wasn't a penalty, why run up shouting and surrounding him? The decision has been made and will not be changed so keep that chin up and get on with the game.

Well he should have seen it, he is a professional and that is what he is paid for. Never heard of emotion? Adrenalin rushing through a body can create a high state of exitement within a human being, that is doing his best to win an important game of football. These guys had just been giving 100% for their team only to see what they perceived as a mistake that could have wrecked all of that hard work. Tempers frayed and it is not surprising.

Linesman wrote:
If the same incident had happened in the Norwich box, would anyone on here be complaining?

Would anyone be saying that Clattenburg had got it wrong?

They did not score and it is history now.

One sure thing, I bet that Clattenburg did not understand a word that Pochettino said.

A similar thing did happen in the Norwich box and the decision went against us, if it had gone the other way I suspect Norwich would have responded the same way and justifiably so if it had been a wrong call.

Wrong call or not the players should be directed not to surround the ref He aint going to change his mind It looks bad and remember if we get a bad rep with refs then even more could go against us

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
There are good Referees that have a bad game, there are bad Referees who have good games, this was an average Referee having a bad one. I sometimes think that they are a bit naive about just how important some of their individual decisions can be, looking at Clattenburgs reaction to the Players remonstrations, he seemd to be surprised, could be that our reputation for good behaviour gave him a false sense of security, so far this season the players have had to tolerate some fairly contentious decisions and have kept there cool. This particular decision was a bit different as it came at such a critical time in the game, as TV replays have shown it wasn't a good call, and if the Penalty had gone in I suspect it would have got even more unsavoury, feelings were at a high, this result was possibly a Seasons work thrown down the drain. Having said that, the behaviour although understandable, was wrong and Markus would have been very upset, NC and MP must get together and make sure that there is no repetition as this can damage the Club just when we need everyone getting it right if we are to survive. The last thing we want is suspensions and an excuse for the League to deduct points, which is not beyond them. The League also has to look at their Officials and ask why this sort of thing is happening, it isn't only us that are suffering, ask any Swansea fan about that amateur offside gaff last Saturday. At this level that should not be happening. IMO

Sorry a few typos = seemd = *seemed* / there = *their*

Don't worry about the typo's that was a good read

Norwegian Saint wrote:
On another note...
I know a clean sheet was great but when will Forren start?
All the Norwegians out here can not understand it, he is a World class defender who scores goals (as he did for U-21 team)

Out of interest who would you pair him with Fonte Yoshida or Hoover

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

sotonwinch09 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

sotonwinch09 wrote:
What's the issue.. It was a foul and it was in the box so that means penalty. The decision was made and cannot be changed so why storm over and moan about it.

A good Referee would have seen Holt fouling Luke just before the alleged Penalty which most pundits say was a dodgy call anyway.

Well he obviously didn't see that. Even if it wasn't a penalty, why run up shouting and surrounding him? The decision has been made and will not be changed so keep that chin up and get on with the game.

Well he should have seen it, he is a professional and that is what he is paid for. Never heard of emotion? Adrenalin rushing through a body can create a high state of exitement within a human being, that is doing his best to win an important game of football. These guys had just been giving 100% for their team only to see what they perceived as a mistake that could have wrecked all of that hard work. Tempers frayed and it is not surprising.

In these circumstances I often think totally ignoring the referee at the end of the game would be much more effective and not give the FA any excuse to "investigate".

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
just goes to prove that referee's cannot handle the modern game alone without the backup of a video ref.

What about a referee in each half of the pitch? That sounds silly enough for Platini to put it ahead of video usage.

Clattenberg cost Saints 2 points in the home match with Norwich giving a freekick against Clyne for what was a good tackle. The players may have felt he was about to do much the same here. I think he's a poor ref. He didn't start giving Saints 50/50 decisions at St. Mary's until the Northam end chanted - We always get s**t referees"!

Number7 wrote:
So maybe Mauricio is not the Messiah, but just a very naughty boy. Never mind it's only a flesh wound and Rickie's due a big one against Liverpool.

He turned me into a newt!

I got better...

JohnItaly wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

sotonwinch09 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

sotonwinch09 wrote:
What's the issue.. It was a foul and it was in the box so that means penalty. The decision was made and cannot be changed so why storm over and moan about it.

A good Referee would have seen Holt fouling Luke just before the alleged Penalty which most pundits say was a dodgy call anyway.

Well he obviously didn't see that. Even if it wasn't a penalty, why run up shouting and surrounding him? The decision has been made and will not be changed so keep that chin up and get on with the game.

Well he should have seen it, he is a professional and that is what he is paid for. Never heard of emotion? Adrenalin rushing through a body can create a high state of exitement within a human being, that is doing his best to win an important game of football. These guys had just been giving 100% for their team only to see what they perceived as a mistake that could have wrecked all of that hard work. Tempers frayed and it is not surprising.

In these circumstances I often think totally ignoring the referee at the end of the game would be much more effective and not give the FA any excuse to "investigate".

In an ideal scenario, the Referees should be part of the big Team involved with the running of the Premier League whereas they seem to be an extra entity not allowed to be part of the overall set up, presumably because any involvement could influence them? That shouldn't matter in a Professional organisation.

It would appear that the "new" PR man Julius Duncan has resigned, apparently not suited to the job, conspiracy theorists may have their say and I can guess what is coming from the likes of The Borer and MRSA, so brace yourselves.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
It would appear that the "new" PR man Julius Duncan has resigned, apparently not suited to the job, conspiracy theorists may have their say and I can guess what is coming from the likes of The Borer and MRSA, so brace yourselves.

Et tu, Brute?

Althought I am not in favour of the ref being challenged in that way.
It goes to prove how committed our players are becoming under the new management.
I admired Nigel and his tollerance and was shocked when he was given the heave-ho but Nigel, bless him, would probably have fined his players and then tried to find the possitives in the issue.
Pochettino rightly though was horrified at the carp decision that this consistently poor ref made.
I listened to the game on Solent and sighed when I heard the refs name before the match.
I also heard the total disbelief of the 2 commentators at his penalty decision.
We cant all be wrong about him,can we?
If it wasn't for that brilliant save by Boruk he could have changed the whole of our season in that moment.
COYS

Shocking decision!! He could have cost us Grant Holt acutely fowed Shaw

According to sky sports yesterday we are selling Billy Sharp for £1.2m in the summer and Forren is due to go out on loan....which is beyond me as Saints paid £4m why would they lend him out !! but thats the rumours !!

COYS

On a follow up on my last post.
How many Saints supporters like me hoped that we would get better refs in the Championship when we were in Div1?
Then when we were in the Championship thinking that at least the refs would be better in the Prem.
Just shows that you just can't expect to get all you wish for.
As the song goes------
"We only get sh1t referees"

get usd 2 t manager moanin. he will do a lot more of it as t relegation unfolds

Mauricio has apologized and should tell the players to cool it...ref never changes their mind. It didn't matter in the end and Norwich didn't get an earlier decision that would have been a penalty.
MP didn't storm on...he marched with purpose and kept his hands to himself. Don't know what happens in Spain, but he could plead ignorance. Punishment will be minor.

Five Trophies Between Us wrote:
get usd 2 t manager moanin. he will do a lot more of it as t relegation unfolds

Late on, Come on.

Pochettino should face an F.A. charge of impersonating a football manager!

szent8 wrote:
Pochettino should face an F.A. charge of impersonating a football manager!

whys that he is on a point a game .cortesse is the one in the wrong .sacking the manager when were doing ok .pochettino .will be judged next season not this one ,as he had a week to look at the squad .and bring in who he wants player wise .he wont be able to do that till july august .he was espnyol manager for 4 years ,so i dont think hes impersonating a manger .has jose morinho will tell you .rates him highly .and he will have learnt full english by that time.he spoke english to the ref .but does not fell confident yet in front of the media .fine on the training ground

A misconduct charge is the least of MP's worries at the moment.he has got to get the team back to winning ways starting with the liverpool game.if he doesn't start to get the results i think his reign will be as short as paul sturrock's.
COYR

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

sotonwinch09 wrote:
What's the issue.. It was a foul and it was in the box so that means penalty. The decision was made and cannot be changed so why storm over and moan about it.

A good Referee would have seen Holt fouling Luke just before the alleged Penalty which most pundits say was a dodgy call anyway.

Yes and were is everyone talking about that, only the one or may be two by Luke. It is said we have just, had the best two refs in the league in the last too games. If so with all there mistakes we may not say up, if it happens in the next two games.

szent8 wrote:
Pochettino should face an F.A. charge of impersonating a football manager!

You should banned for impersonatiing a sensible poster.

Under 18's beat Crystal Palace today,
4 - 3 (1- 2 ht) at Staplewood, Ryan Seager got another brace, he has 19 goals this season.

The FA has today charged Southampton with failing to control their players following the awarding of a penalty to Norwich during the match at Carrow Road on Saturday 9 March.

The club has until 4pm on Friday 15 March to respond to the charge.

There you go, what is the punishment I wonder?