Saints set for big clear-out

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Saints are set for one of their biggest summer clearouts in recent times as they prepare for their second season in the Premier League.

Mauricio Pochettino and Nicola Cortese are meeting to thrash out exact details of the retained list, as well as who else is surplus to requirements.

Saints are currently carrying a first team squad of 36 players, but only half of those made more than five Premier League starts in the last campaign.

That underlines the amount of surplus as Saints free up space and wages for incoming signings to help their ambitious plans.

The first to go are likely to be those who are out of contract this summer.

Six players see their deals expire at the end of June and it is unlikely any of them will be offered new terms.

Danny Butterfield, Dan Seaborne, Tommy Forecast, Ryan Dickson, Frazer Richardson and Ben Reeves are those in the firing line.

Seaborne and Butterfield spent the end of the end of the season on loan at Bolton and Bournemouth respectively, while Forecast, who hasn’t made a single first team appearance in five years at the club, has been offered a contract by Gillingham.

Reeves enjoyed a brief but successful loan spell at Southend.

The out of contract players are the easiest to move on but Saints are also likely to want to shift more players.

With only a 25 man squad to be selected for next season, excluding youngsters, Pochettino will want as much genuine first team competition as he can get.

Saints have sent a host of senior players out on long term loans and the majority of those only have a year left on their contracts, meaning lower division clubs may be interested in signing them for what would be a relatively low fee.

Aaron Martin, Jonathan Forte, Lee Barnard, Dean Hammond and Tadanari Lee all fall into that category.

None of those players have made a single start in the Premier League for Saints over the last season and it is hard to imagine how they are going to get themselves back into the reckoning.

The same could also be said of Richard Chaplow, whose deal also expires next summer, and Steve De Ridder.

Hammond looked as though he would seal a permanent move to Brighton after a strong loan season with the Seagulls but that is now in jeopardy after Gus Poyet’s future was thrown into doubt.

Perhaps the biggest fee Saints could attract for a player not currently near the first team squad is Billy Sharp.

The highly regarded striker has been prolific in the Championship down the years and netted 11 times during a loan stint with Nottingham Forest this season.

Though Sharp was in and out of the side towards the end of the season new boss Billy Davies is believed to have told the striker he would like to try and get him back for next season.

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6:38am Fri 24 May 13

Ganja Jungle says...

Fair enough agree with most listed above. Defence is priority then maybe a clinical finisher.

Quick question Who will make our kit now Umbro owned by Nike ?
Fair enough agree with most listed above. Defence is priority then maybe a clinical finisher. Quick question Who will make our kit now Umbro owned by Nike ? Ganja Jungle
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6:46am Fri 24 May 13

Billy Bowl says...

Fox and Jos need to be given long term contracts. If we get that in place and a few more in we can push on and maybe secure a place in the top 4.
Fox and Jos need to be given long term contracts. If we get that in place and a few more in we can push on and maybe secure a place in the top 4. Billy Bowl
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6:58am Fri 24 May 13

aldermoorboy says...

Fox is ok going forward, but not the best defender if we want to end up near the top.
Fox is ok going forward, but not the best defender if we want to end up near the top. aldermoorboy
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7:41am Fri 24 May 13

saintssaintssaints says...

That's 14 and you could probably add:
Guly
Mayuka
Forren
And possibly holiveld fox.
That's maybe up to 19!

Needed in 2 CB, 1 CM, 2 ATTACKERS/WINGERS.
Then maybe squad left back and right back.
Total ins 7.
Asorti, dragovic, wanyama, lamela, lukaku.
That's 14 and you could probably add: Guly Mayuka Forren And possibly holiveld fox. That's maybe up to 19! Needed in 2 CB, 1 CM, 2 ATTACKERS/WINGERS. Then maybe squad left back and right back. Total ins 7. Asorti, dragovic, wanyama, lamela, lukaku. saintssaintssaints
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7:42am Fri 24 May 13

Saintsayer II says...

Billy Bowl wrote:
Fox and Jos need to be given long term contracts. If we get that in place and a few more in we can push on and maybe secure a place in the top 4.
And Guly
[quote][p][bold]Billy Bowl[/bold] wrote: Fox and Jos need to be given long term contracts. If we get that in place and a few more in we can push on and maybe secure a place in the top 4.[/p][/quote]And Guly Saintsayer II
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7:44am Fri 24 May 13

Sally Hamilton Original says...

I cannot believe how excited we were to be signing De Ridder and Lee... I know Lee got injured but De Ridder, what a huge flop on an epic scale. I think we will get rid of Davis, Guly (not knocking the guy), Richardson and I also wouldn't be surprised to see Fonte or Jos put on the list. That again is me not saying they are bad, but if MP wants us to be challenging for top 10 I think he will be ruthless
I cannot believe how excited we were to be signing De Ridder and Lee... I know Lee got injured but De Ridder, what a huge flop on an epic scale. I think we will get rid of Davis, Guly (not knocking the guy), Richardson and I also wouldn't be surprised to see Fonte or Jos put on the list. That again is me not saying they are bad, but if MP wants us to be challenging for top 10 I think he will be ruthless Sally Hamilton Original
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7:45am Fri 24 May 13

WECOMING4U says...

Fox gets too much stick in my opinion, at least he is up for it. I take that instead of a constant badge kisser or someone who is out with a broken eyelash.
Fox gets too much stick in my opinion, at least he is up for it. I take that instead of a constant badge kisser or someone who is out with a broken eyelash. WECOMING4U
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8:15am Fri 24 May 13

adamello says...

Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
I cannot believe how excited we were to be signing De Ridder and Lee... I know Lee got injured but De Ridder, what a huge flop on an epic scale. I think we will get rid of Davis, Guly (not knocking the guy), Richardson and I also wouldn't be surprised to see Fonte or Jos put on the list. That again is me not saying they are bad, but if MP wants us to be challenging for top 10 I think he will be ruthless
Which Davis?
[quote][p][bold]Sally Hamilton Original[/bold] wrote: I cannot believe how excited we were to be signing De Ridder and Lee... I know Lee got injured but De Ridder, what a huge flop on an epic scale. I think we will get rid of Davis, Guly (not knocking the guy), Richardson and I also wouldn't be surprised to see Fonte or Jos put on the list. That again is me not saying they are bad, but if MP wants us to be challenging for top 10 I think he will be ruthless[/p][/quote]Which Davis? adamello
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8:17am Fri 24 May 13

ghk230473 says...

Erik lamela is a possible signing for 20 m! Both Manchester clubs have been scouting him.
Erik lamela is a possible signing for 20 m! Both Manchester clubs have been scouting him. ghk230473
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8:18am Fri 24 May 13

Whitton says...

We should DEFINATELY not let go of Mayuka, yes, he is young and inexperienced but isn't likehalf of our club? I believe he has true potential to be a huge name in the future.
COYR
We should DEFINATELY not let go of Mayuka, yes, he is young and inexperienced but isn't likehalf of our club? I believe he has true potential to be a huge name in the future. COYR Whitton
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8:19am Fri 24 May 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

Forecast, Butterfield, Martin, Seaborne, Dickson, Chaplow, Hammond, Forte, De Ridder, Lee, Sharp

Subs: Barnard, Richardson and 5 academy players.

Now, that's one hell of a good League 2 team.

WTFILN
Forecast, Butterfield, Martin, Seaborne, Dickson, Chaplow, Hammond, Forte, De Ridder, Lee, Sharp Subs: Barnard, Richardson and 5 academy players. Now, that's one hell of a good League 2 team. WTFILN Strasbourg Saint
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8:22am Fri 24 May 13

Sally Hamilton Original says...

adamello wrote:
Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
I cannot believe how excited we were to be signing De Ridder and Lee... I know Lee got injured but De Ridder, what a huge flop on an epic scale. I think we will get rid of Davis, Guly (not knocking the guy), Richardson and I also wouldn't be surprised to see Fonte or Jos put on the list. That again is me not saying they are bad, but if MP wants us to be challenging for top 10 I think he will be ruthless
Which Davis?
I think Steven... As I said I am not judging him because I think he is ok but I think MP will sign a CM and spend a decent amount so Morgan and Jack will be ok but think Steve won't be
[quote][p][bold]adamello[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sally Hamilton Original[/bold] wrote: I cannot believe how excited we were to be signing De Ridder and Lee... I know Lee got injured but De Ridder, what a huge flop on an epic scale. I think we will get rid of Davis, Guly (not knocking the guy), Richardson and I also wouldn't be surprised to see Fonte or Jos put on the list. That again is me not saying they are bad, but if MP wants us to be challenging for top 10 I think he will be ruthless[/p][/quote]Which Davis?[/p][/quote]I think Steven... As I said I am not judging him because I think he is ok but I think MP will sign a CM and spend a decent amount so Morgan and Jack will be ok but think Steve won't be Sally Hamilton Original
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8:26am Fri 24 May 13

ian redhill says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Forecast, Butterfield, Martin, Seaborne, Dickson, Chaplow, Hammond, Forte, De Ridder, Lee, Sharp

Subs: Barnard, Richardson and 5 academy players.

Now, that's one hell of a good League 2 team.

WTFILN
Add David Connolly and thy could challenge for promotion!!!!!!!!!!!
!! Mind you most of their time would be spent on the physios couch!! COYS
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Forecast, Butterfield, Martin, Seaborne, Dickson, Chaplow, Hammond, Forte, De Ridder, Lee, Sharp Subs: Barnard, Richardson and 5 academy players. Now, that's one hell of a good League 2 team. WTFILN[/p][/quote]Add David Connolly and thy could challenge for promotion!!!!!!!!!!! !! Mind you most of their time would be spent on the physios couch!! COYS ian redhill
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8:26am Fri 24 May 13

ian redhill says...

They sorry poxy computer
They sorry poxy computer ian redhill
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8:34am Fri 24 May 13

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

saintssaintssaints wrote:
That's 14 and you could probably add:
Guly
Mayuka
Forren
And possibly holiveld fox.
That's maybe up to 19!

Needed in 2 CB, 1 CM, 2 ATTACKERS/WINGERS.
Then maybe squad left back and right back.
Total ins 7.
Asorti, dragovic, wanyama, lamela, lukaku.
Forren? We signed him 4 months ago for £4m.
[quote][p][bold]saintssaintssaints[/bold] wrote: That's 14 and you could probably add: Guly Mayuka Forren And possibly holiveld fox. That's maybe up to 19! Needed in 2 CB, 1 CM, 2 ATTACKERS/WINGERS. Then maybe squad left back and right back. Total ins 7. Asorti, dragovic, wanyama, lamela, lukaku.[/p][/quote]Forren? We signed him 4 months ago for £4m. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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8:39am Fri 24 May 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

Whitton wrote:
We should DEFINATELY not let go of Mayuka, yes, he is young and inexperienced but isn't likehalf of our club? I believe he has true potential to be a huge name in the future.
COYR
Agreed. Although some first-team players may have their places put under threat, I don't think we'll see too many of the first team or academy leaving. We need evolution NOT revolution.

Along with the players who didn't feature at all (or hardly at all), the obvious ones under threat are Fox and Guly.

However, IMO, the most important squad needs are a replacement for Chaplow in the middle, a speedy winger to replace De Ridder, a right back to replace Richardson and a goal poacher to replace Sharp. Even so, the 'new' Chaplow and Richardson are probably bench warmers. A world-class speedy winger and goal poacher with what we had last season could have got us close to the top 7.

After that, it depends which other signings could improve on the current first-team players such as the centre backs and the attacking midfielders (Lallana, Ramirez, Punch, JayRod, Davis, Guly).

The biggest riddle is at left back. Shaw (assuming he stays) is still young and Taggert is younger still but we don't want to block their development. So, for another season, we may need Fox (I agree with Wecoming4u, he's done okay, just isn't good enough for where we're going).
[quote][p][bold]Whitton[/bold] wrote: We should DEFINATELY not let go of Mayuka, yes, he is young and inexperienced but isn't likehalf of our club? I believe he has true potential to be a huge name in the future. COYR[/p][/quote]Agreed. Although some first-team players may have their places put under threat, I don't think we'll see too many of the first team or academy leaving. We need evolution NOT revolution. Along with the players who didn't feature at all (or hardly at all), the obvious ones under threat are Fox and Guly. However, IMO, the most important squad needs are a replacement for Chaplow in the middle, a speedy winger to replace De Ridder, a right back to replace Richardson and a goal poacher to replace Sharp. Even so, the 'new' Chaplow and Richardson are probably bench warmers. A world-class speedy winger and goal poacher with what we had last season could have got us close to the top 7. After that, it depends which other signings could improve on the current first-team players such as the centre backs and the attacking midfielders (Lallana, Ramirez, Punch, JayRod, Davis, Guly). The biggest riddle is at left back. Shaw (assuming he stays) is still young and Taggert is younger still but we don't want to block their development. So, for another season, we may need Fox (I agree with Wecoming4u, he's done okay, just isn't good enough for where we're going). Strasbourg Saint
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8:51am Fri 24 May 13

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Whitton wrote:
We should DEFINATELY not let go of Mayuka, yes, he is young and inexperienced but isn't likehalf of our club? I believe he has true potential to be a huge name in the future.
COYR
Agreed. Although some first-team players may have their places put under threat, I don't think we'll see too many of the first team or academy leaving. We need evolution NOT revolution.

Along with the players who didn't feature at all (or hardly at all), the obvious ones under threat are Fox and Guly.

However, IMO, the most important squad needs are a replacement for Chaplow in the middle, a speedy winger to replace De Ridder, a right back to replace Richardson and a goal poacher to replace Sharp. Even so, the 'new' Chaplow and Richardson are probably bench warmers. A world-class speedy winger and goal poacher with what we had last season could have got us close to the top 7.

After that, it depends which other signings could improve on the current first-team players such as the centre backs and the attacking midfielders (Lallana, Ramirez, Punch, JayRod, Davis, Guly).

The biggest riddle is at left back. Shaw (assuming he stays) is still young and Taggert is younger still but we don't want to block their development. So, for another season, we may need Fox (I agree with Wecoming4u, he's done okay, just isn't good enough for where we're going).
If we are serious about our stated aims then all signings should be for the first 11 with the dislodged players becoming the bench.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whitton[/bold] wrote: We should DEFINATELY not let go of Mayuka, yes, he is young and inexperienced but isn't likehalf of our club? I believe he has true potential to be a huge name in the future. COYR[/p][/quote]Agreed. Although some first-team players may have their places put under threat, I don't think we'll see too many of the first team or academy leaving. We need evolution NOT revolution. Along with the players who didn't feature at all (or hardly at all), the obvious ones under threat are Fox and Guly. However, IMO, the most important squad needs are a replacement for Chaplow in the middle, a speedy winger to replace De Ridder, a right back to replace Richardson and a goal poacher to replace Sharp. Even so, the 'new' Chaplow and Richardson are probably bench warmers. A world-class speedy winger and goal poacher with what we had last season could have got us close to the top 7. After that, it depends which other signings could improve on the current first-team players such as the centre backs and the attacking midfielders (Lallana, Ramirez, Punch, JayRod, Davis, Guly). The biggest riddle is at left back. Shaw (assuming he stays) is still young and Taggert is younger still but we don't want to block their development. So, for another season, we may need Fox (I agree with Wecoming4u, he's done okay, just isn't good enough for where we're going).[/p][/quote]If we are serious about our stated aims then all signings should be for the first 11 with the dislodged players becoming the bench. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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8:54am Fri 24 May 13

ghk230473 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Whitton wrote:
We should DEFINATELY not let go of Mayuka, yes, he is young and inexperienced but isn't likehalf of our club? I believe he has true potential to be a huge name in the future.
COYR
Agreed. Although some first-team players may have their places put under threat, I don't think we'll see too many of the first team or academy leaving. We need evolution NOT revolution.

Along with the players who didn't feature at all (or hardly at all), the obvious ones under threat are Fox and Guly.

However, IMO, the most important squad needs are a replacement for Chaplow in the middle, a speedy winger to replace De Ridder, a right back to replace Richardson and a goal poacher to replace Sharp. Even so, the 'new' Chaplow and Richardson are probably bench warmers. A world-class speedy winger and goal poacher with what we had last season could have got us close to the top 7.

After that, it depends which other signings could improve on the current first-team players such as the centre backs and the attacking midfielders (Lallana, Ramirez, Punch, JayRod, Davis, Guly).

The biggest riddle is at left back. Shaw (assuming he stays) is still young and Taggert is younger still but we don't want to block their development. So, for another season, we may need Fox (I agree with Wecoming4u, he's done okay, just isn't good enough for where we're going).
If we are serious about our stated aims then all signings should be for the first 11 with the dislodged players becoming the bench.
Agree. Need to buy to improve squad.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whitton[/bold] wrote: We should DEFINATELY not let go of Mayuka, yes, he is young and inexperienced but isn't likehalf of our club? I believe he has true potential to be a huge name in the future. COYR[/p][/quote]Agreed. Although some first-team players may have their places put under threat, I don't think we'll see too many of the first team or academy leaving. We need evolution NOT revolution. Along with the players who didn't feature at all (or hardly at all), the obvious ones under threat are Fox and Guly. However, IMO, the most important squad needs are a replacement for Chaplow in the middle, a speedy winger to replace De Ridder, a right back to replace Richardson and a goal poacher to replace Sharp. Even so, the 'new' Chaplow and Richardson are probably bench warmers. A world-class speedy winger and goal poacher with what we had last season could have got us close to the top 7. After that, it depends which other signings could improve on the current first-team players such as the centre backs and the attacking midfielders (Lallana, Ramirez, Punch, JayRod, Davis, Guly). The biggest riddle is at left back. Shaw (assuming he stays) is still young and Taggert is younger still but we don't want to block their development. So, for another season, we may need Fox (I agree with Wecoming4u, he's done okay, just isn't good enough for where we're going).[/p][/quote]If we are serious about our stated aims then all signings should be for the first 11 with the dislodged players becoming the bench.[/p][/quote]Agree. Need to buy to improve squad. ghk230473
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8:56am Fri 24 May 13

Rising_Son says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Forecast, Butterfield, Martin, Seaborne, Dickson, Chaplow, Hammond, Forte, De Ridder, Lee, Sharp

Subs: Barnard, Richardson and 5 academy players.

Now, that's one hell of a good League 2 team.

WTFILN
Actually, without the five academy payers (who might have decent future with us), but with Reeves (who unfortunately doesn't look like he's going to make the grade) and a better keeper, I reckon it'd be a pretty decent League 1 team.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Forecast, Butterfield, Martin, Seaborne, Dickson, Chaplow, Hammond, Forte, De Ridder, Lee, Sharp Subs: Barnard, Richardson and 5 academy players. Now, that's one hell of a good League 2 team. WTFILN[/p][/quote]Actually, without the five academy payers (who might have decent future with us), but with Reeves (who unfortunately doesn't look like he's going to make the grade) and a better keeper, I reckon it'd be a pretty decent League 1 team. Rising_Son
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8:57am Fri 24 May 13

george chivers says...

Once we've had the clear out let's hope we can make some better signings this season compared to last season.

Ramirez, not value for money at £12m
J-Rod, goodish but still not a £9m player
Mayuka, poor value at £4m
Forren, poor so far at £3m
Gazzanigger, worrying at £3m

Total £31m

Free transfers

Clyne, Superb
Davis, very good squad player
Boruc, slow start, now very good

The frees were on the whole were better signings.

Hope we get better value for money next season.
Once we've had the clear out let's hope we can make some better signings this season compared to last season. Ramirez, not value for money at £12m J-Rod, goodish but still not a £9m player Mayuka, poor value at £4m Forren, poor so far at £3m Gazzanigger, worrying at £3m Total £31m Free transfers Clyne, Superb Davis, very good squad player Boruc, slow start, now very good The frees were on the whole were better signings. Hope we get better value for money next season. george chivers
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9:18am Fri 24 May 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Whitton wrote:
We should DEFINATELY not let go of Mayuka, yes, he is young and inexperienced but isn't likehalf of our club? I believe he has true potential to be a huge name in the future.
COYR
Agreed. Although some first-team players may have their places put under threat, I don't think we'll see too many of the first team or academy leaving. We need evolution NOT revolution.

Along with the players who didn't feature at all (or hardly at all), the obvious ones under threat are Fox and Guly.

However, IMO, the most important squad needs are a replacement for Chaplow in the middle, a speedy winger to replace De Ridder, a right back to replace Richardson and a goal poacher to replace Sharp. Even so, the 'new' Chaplow and Richardson are probably bench warmers. A world-class speedy winger and goal poacher with what we had last season could have got us close to the top 7.

After that, it depends which other signings could improve on the current first-team players such as the centre backs and the attacking midfielders (Lallana, Ramirez, Punch, JayRod, Davis, Guly).

The biggest riddle is at left back. Shaw (assuming he stays) is still young and Taggert is younger still but we don't want to block their development. So, for another season, we may need Fox (I agree with Wecoming4u, he's done okay, just isn't good enough for where we're going).
If we are serious about our stated aims then all signings should be for the first 11 with the dislodged players becoming the bench.
Agree. Need to buy to improve squad.
So, what you're both saying is that we either stick with our current full backs and central midfielders or we buy players who could immediately dislodge Shaw, Clyne, Cork or Schneiderlin.

Confused of Strasbourg!
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whitton[/bold] wrote: We should DEFINATELY not let go of Mayuka, yes, he is young and inexperienced but isn't likehalf of our club? I believe he has true potential to be a huge name in the future. COYR[/p][/quote]Agreed. Although some first-team players may have their places put under threat, I don't think we'll see too many of the first team or academy leaving. We need evolution NOT revolution. Along with the players who didn't feature at all (or hardly at all), the obvious ones under threat are Fox and Guly. However, IMO, the most important squad needs are a replacement for Chaplow in the middle, a speedy winger to replace De Ridder, a right back to replace Richardson and a goal poacher to replace Sharp. Even so, the 'new' Chaplow and Richardson are probably bench warmers. A world-class speedy winger and goal poacher with what we had last season could have got us close to the top 7. After that, it depends which other signings could improve on the current first-team players such as the centre backs and the attacking midfielders (Lallana, Ramirez, Punch, JayRod, Davis, Guly). The biggest riddle is at left back. Shaw (assuming he stays) is still young and Taggert is younger still but we don't want to block their development. So, for another season, we may need Fox (I agree with Wecoming4u, he's done okay, just isn't good enough for where we're going).[/p][/quote]If we are serious about our stated aims then all signings should be for the first 11 with the dislodged players becoming the bench.[/p][/quote]Agree. Need to buy to improve squad.[/p][/quote]So, what you're both saying is that we either stick with our current full backs and central midfielders or we buy players who could immediately dislodge Shaw, Clyne, Cork or Schneiderlin. Confused of Strasbourg! Strasbourg Saint
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9:19am Fri 24 May 13

Rising_Son says...

George, check your figures.

Ramirez £12m
J-Rod £7m not £9m
Mayuka £3.5m not £4m
Forren £4m not £3m
Gazzanigga (not Gazzanigger) £2.8m not £3m
Clyne £2.8m not free
Davis £0.9m not free
Boruc free

The best things in life are not necessarily free.
George, check your figures. Ramirez £12m J-Rod £7m not £9m Mayuka £3.5m not £4m Forren £4m not £3m Gazzanigga (not Gazzanigger) £2.8m not £3m Clyne £2.8m not free Davis £0.9m not free Boruc free The best things in life are not necessarily free. Rising_Son
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9:22am Fri 24 May 13

Rising_Son says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Whitton wrote:
We should DEFINATELY not let go of Mayuka, yes, he is young and inexperienced but isn't likehalf of our club? I believe he has true potential to be a huge name in the future.
COYR
Agreed. Although some first-team players may have their places put under threat, I don't think we'll see too many of the first team or academy leaving. We need evolution NOT revolution.

Along with the players who didn't feature at all (or hardly at all), the obvious ones under threat are Fox and Guly.

However, IMO, the most important squad needs are a replacement for Chaplow in the middle, a speedy winger to replace De Ridder, a right back to replace Richardson and a goal poacher to replace Sharp. Even so, the 'new' Chaplow and Richardson are probably bench warmers. A world-class speedy winger and goal poacher with what we had last season could have got us close to the top 7.

After that, it depends which other signings could improve on the current first-team players such as the centre backs and the attacking midfielders (Lallana, Ramirez, Punch, JayRod, Davis, Guly).

The biggest riddle is at left back. Shaw (assuming he stays) is still young and Taggert is younger still but we don't want to block their development. So, for another season, we may need Fox (I agree with Wecoming4u, he's done okay, just isn't good enough for where we're going).
If we are serious about our stated aims then all signings should be for the first 11 with the dislodged players becoming the bench.
Agree. Need to buy to improve squad.
So, what you're both saying is that we either stick with our current full backs and central midfielders or we buy players who could immediately dislodge Shaw, Clyne, Cork or Schneiderlin.

Confused of Strasbourg!
I think what they're saying is that any players we buy should be better than the players we have. I don't think they want to buy anyone just for cover.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whitton[/bold] wrote: We should DEFINATELY not let go of Mayuka, yes, he is young and inexperienced but isn't likehalf of our club? I believe he has true potential to be a huge name in the future. COYR[/p][/quote]Agreed. Although some first-team players may have their places put under threat, I don't think we'll see too many of the first team or academy leaving. We need evolution NOT revolution. Along with the players who didn't feature at all (or hardly at all), the obvious ones under threat are Fox and Guly. However, IMO, the most important squad needs are a replacement for Chaplow in the middle, a speedy winger to replace De Ridder, a right back to replace Richardson and a goal poacher to replace Sharp. Even so, the 'new' Chaplow and Richardson are probably bench warmers. A world-class speedy winger and goal poacher with what we had last season could have got us close to the top 7. After that, it depends which other signings could improve on the current first-team players such as the centre backs and the attacking midfielders (Lallana, Ramirez, Punch, JayRod, Davis, Guly). The biggest riddle is at left back. Shaw (assuming he stays) is still young and Taggert is younger still but we don't want to block their development. So, for another season, we may need Fox (I agree with Wecoming4u, he's done okay, just isn't good enough for where we're going).[/p][/quote]If we are serious about our stated aims then all signings should be for the first 11 with the dislodged players becoming the bench.[/p][/quote]Agree. Need to buy to improve squad.[/p][/quote]So, what you're both saying is that we either stick with our current full backs and central midfielders or we buy players who could immediately dislodge Shaw, Clyne, Cork or Schneiderlin. Confused of Strasbourg![/p][/quote]I think what they're saying is that any players we buy should be better than the players we have. I don't think they want to buy anyone just for cover. Rising_Son
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9:23am Fri 24 May 13

SurreySaint123 says...

I think it would be a shame to get rid of Martin and Reeves. Neither have been given a proper chance and neither have let us down in the bit-part appearances they have played. They're young enough to improve. The others should go with our thanks.

If you think about improving the first 11 - a defensive leader at centre half and a wide man with some pace to threaten in behind are a minimum for me.

Then you think about squad cover. If we get rid of all mentioned above, we are short of cover for Clyne, Cork and Lambert.
I think it would be a shame to get rid of Martin and Reeves. Neither have been given a proper chance and neither have let us down in the bit-part appearances they have played. They're young enough to improve. The others should go with our thanks. If you think about improving the first 11 - a defensive leader at centre half and a wide man with some pace to threaten in behind are a minimum for me. Then you think about squad cover. If we get rid of all mentioned above, we are short of cover for Clyne, Cork and Lambert. SurreySaint123
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9:24am Fri 24 May 13

Egomaniac says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
adamello wrote:
Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
I cannot believe how excited we were to be signing De Ridder and Lee... I know Lee got injured but De Ridder, what a huge flop on an epic scale. I think we will get rid of Davis, Guly (not knocking the guy), Richardson and I also wouldn't be surprised to see Fonte or Jos put on the list. That again is me not saying they are bad, but if MP wants us to be challenging for top 10 I think he will be ruthless
Which Davis?
I think Steven... As I said I am not judging him because I think he is ok but I think MP will sign a CM and spend a decent amount so Morgan and Jack will be ok but think Steve won't be
Why did the woman cross the road?
Who gives a fcuk what was she doing out of the kitchen!
Where were you dragged up?

Idiot!
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sally Hamilton Original[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adamello[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sally Hamilton Original[/bold] wrote: I cannot believe how excited we were to be signing De Ridder and Lee... I know Lee got injured but De Ridder, what a huge flop on an epic scale. I think we will get rid of Davis, Guly (not knocking the guy), Richardson and I also wouldn't be surprised to see Fonte or Jos put on the list. That again is me not saying they are bad, but if MP wants us to be challenging for top 10 I think he will be ruthless[/p][/quote]Which Davis?[/p][/quote]I think Steven... As I said I am not judging him because I think he is ok but I think MP will sign a CM and spend a decent amount so Morgan and Jack will be ok but think Steve won't be[/p][/quote]Why did the woman cross the road? Who gives a fcuk what was she doing out of the kitchen![/p][/quote]Where were you dragged up? Idiot! Egomaniac
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9:24am Fri 24 May 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Forecast, Butterfield, Martin, Seaborne, Dickson, Chaplow, Hammond, Forte, De Ridder, Lee, Sharp

Subs: Barnard, Richardson and 5 academy players.

Now, that's one hell of a good League 2 team.

WTFILN
Actually, without the five academy payers (who might have decent future with us), but with Reeves (who unfortunately doesn't look like he's going to make the grade) and a better keeper, I reckon it'd be a pretty decent League 1 team.
I saw Reeves in Switzerland and again at Palace in the League Cup. He looks pretty good. Good enough? Well, the bar has been raised in recent seasons, so maybe not, but he certainly has a future in the game and can play in several positions, so could be the utility player which, IMO, squads need.

Actually, RS, I reckon that side could give most teams a decent game in the Championship.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Forecast, Butterfield, Martin, Seaborne, Dickson, Chaplow, Hammond, Forte, De Ridder, Lee, Sharp Subs: Barnard, Richardson and 5 academy players. Now, that's one hell of a good League 2 team. WTFILN[/p][/quote]Actually, without the five academy payers (who might have decent future with us), but with Reeves (who unfortunately doesn't look like he's going to make the grade) and a better keeper, I reckon it'd be a pretty decent League 1 team.[/p][/quote]I saw Reeves in Switzerland and again at Palace in the League Cup. He looks pretty good. Good enough? Well, the bar has been raised in recent seasons, so maybe not, but he certainly has a future in the game and can play in several positions, so could be the utility player which, IMO, squads need. Actually, RS, I reckon that side could give most teams a decent game in the Championship. Strasbourg Saint
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9:27am Fri 24 May 13

PokerSaint says...

shaw will be sold to chelski in a swap deal for Romelu Lukaku. you heard it here 1st!!!!!
shaw will be sold to chelski in a swap deal for Romelu Lukaku. you heard it here 1st!!!!! PokerSaint
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9:27am Fri 24 May 13

Cheapshot says...

george chivers wrote:
Once we've had the clear out let's hope we can make some better signings this season compared to last season.

Ramirez, not value for money at £12m
J-Rod, goodish but still not a £9m player
Mayuka, poor value at £4m
Forren, poor so far at £3m
Gazzanigger, worrying at £3m

Total £31m

Free transfers

Clyne, Superb
Davis, very good squad player
Boruc, slow start, now very good

The frees were on the whole were better signings.

Hope we get better value for money next season.
I'm sure we will do better, MoPo has already hinted about dipping into the Spanish league, and we all know NC will bring someone in from Italy!

Some of your figures are off though i think
J-Rod was between 6-7m
Mayuka - 3.5m
Forren - 4m
and Gaz -1m
Davis - 200k

So i don't think we did too bad. J-Rod Gaston and Mayuka will all get better for sure. It's just about adding that touch of class around them to bring out the best in everyone.

Slightly off topic....what are the words to MoPo's song? Everyone who stands around me was singing it and i couldn't understand a word of it!
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Once we've had the clear out let's hope we can make some better signings this season compared to last season. Ramirez, not value for money at £12m J-Rod, goodish but still not a £9m player Mayuka, poor value at £4m Forren, poor so far at £3m Gazzanigger, worrying at £3m Total £31m Free transfers Clyne, Superb Davis, very good squad player Boruc, slow start, now very good The frees were on the whole were better signings. Hope we get better value for money next season.[/p][/quote]I'm sure we will do better, MoPo has already hinted about dipping into the Spanish league, and we all know NC will bring someone in from Italy! Some of your figures are off though i think J-Rod was between 6-7m Mayuka - 3.5m Forren - 4m and Gaz -1m Davis - 200k So i don't think we did too bad. J-Rod Gaston and Mayuka will all get better for sure. It's just about adding that touch of class around them to bring out the best in everyone. Slightly off topic....what are the words to MoPo's song? Everyone who stands around me was singing it and i couldn't understand a word of it! Cheapshot
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9:30am Fri 24 May 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Whitton wrote:
We should DEFINATELY not let go of Mayuka, yes, he is young and inexperienced but isn't likehalf of our club? I believe he has true potential to be a huge name in the future.
COYR
Agreed. Although some first-team players may have their places put under threat, I don't think we'll see too many of the first team or academy leaving. We need evolution NOT revolution.

Along with the players who didn't feature at all (or hardly at all), the obvious ones under threat are Fox and Guly.

However, IMO, the most important squad needs are a replacement for Chaplow in the middle, a speedy winger to replace De Ridder, a right back to replace Richardson and a goal poacher to replace Sharp. Even so, the 'new' Chaplow and Richardson are probably bench warmers. A world-class speedy winger and goal poacher with what we had last season could have got us close to the top 7.

After that, it depends which other signings could improve on the current first-team players such as the centre backs and the attacking midfielders (Lallana, Ramirez, Punch, JayRod, Davis, Guly).

The biggest riddle is at left back. Shaw (assuming he stays) is still young and Taggert is younger still but we don't want to block their development. So, for another season, we may need Fox (I agree with Wecoming4u, he's done okay, just isn't good enough for where we're going).
If we are serious about our stated aims then all signings should be for the first 11 with the dislodged players becoming the bench.
Agree. Need to buy to improve squad.
So, what you're both saying is that we either stick with our current full backs and central midfielders or we buy players who could immediately dislodge Shaw, Clyne, Cork or Schneiderlin.

Confused of Strasbourg!
I think what they're saying is that any players we buy should be better than the players we have. I don't think they want to buy anyone just for cover.
That's how I read it. Ergo, only buy a right back if he's better than Clyne. How does that work?

Okay, one to put pressure on Clyne in a way that Richardson or Butterfield, alas, aren't able to, but that's VERY different from finding and buying one who is better than Clyne.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whitton[/bold] wrote: We should DEFINATELY not let go of Mayuka, yes, he is young and inexperienced but isn't likehalf of our club? I believe he has true potential to be a huge name in the future. COYR[/p][/quote]Agreed. Although some first-team players may have their places put under threat, I don't think we'll see too many of the first team or academy leaving. We need evolution NOT revolution. Along with the players who didn't feature at all (or hardly at all), the obvious ones under threat are Fox and Guly. However, IMO, the most important squad needs are a replacement for Chaplow in the middle, a speedy winger to replace De Ridder, a right back to replace Richardson and a goal poacher to replace Sharp. Even so, the 'new' Chaplow and Richardson are probably bench warmers. A world-class speedy winger and goal poacher with what we had last season could have got us close to the top 7. After that, it depends which other signings could improve on the current first-team players such as the centre backs and the attacking midfielders (Lallana, Ramirez, Punch, JayRod, Davis, Guly). The biggest riddle is at left back. Shaw (assuming he stays) is still young and Taggert is younger still but we don't want to block their development. So, for another season, we may need Fox (I agree with Wecoming4u, he's done okay, just isn't good enough for where we're going).[/p][/quote]If we are serious about our stated aims then all signings should be for the first 11 with the dislodged players becoming the bench.[/p][/quote]Agree. Need to buy to improve squad.[/p][/quote]So, what you're both saying is that we either stick with our current full backs and central midfielders or we buy players who could immediately dislodge Shaw, Clyne, Cork or Schneiderlin. Confused of Strasbourg![/p][/quote]I think what they're saying is that any players we buy should be better than the players we have. I don't think they want to buy anyone just for cover.[/p][/quote]That's how I read it. Ergo, only buy a right back if he's better than Clyne. How does that work? Okay, one to put pressure on Clyne in a way that Richardson or Butterfield, alas, aren't able to, but that's VERY different from finding and buying one who is better than Clyne. Strasbourg Saint
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9:34am Fri 24 May 13

Rising_Son says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Forecast, Butterfield, Martin, Seaborne, Dickson, Chaplow, Hammond, Forte, De Ridder, Lee, Sharp

Subs: Barnard, Richardson and 5 academy players.

Now, that's one hell of a good League 2 team.

WTFILN
Actually, without the five academy payers (who might have decent future with us), but with Reeves (who unfortunately doesn't look like he's going to make the grade) and a better keeper, I reckon it'd be a pretty decent League 1 team.
I saw Reeves in Switzerland and again at Palace in the League Cup. He looks pretty good. Good enough? Well, the bar has been raised in recent seasons, so maybe not, but he certainly has a future in the game and can play in several positions, so could be the utility player which, IMO, squads need.

Actually, RS, I reckon that side could give most teams a decent game in the Championship.
I like Reeves as well. Whenever I've seen him (which isn't very often), he's looked quite good, and he scored a very good goal at Stevenage. I hope he stays, but ....

I don't think that team would be embarrassed in the Championship either.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Forecast, Butterfield, Martin, Seaborne, Dickson, Chaplow, Hammond, Forte, De Ridder, Lee, Sharp Subs: Barnard, Richardson and 5 academy players. Now, that's one hell of a good League 2 team. WTFILN[/p][/quote]Actually, without the five academy payers (who might have decent future with us), but with Reeves (who unfortunately doesn't look like he's going to make the grade) and a better keeper, I reckon it'd be a pretty decent League 1 team.[/p][/quote]I saw Reeves in Switzerland and again at Palace in the League Cup. He looks pretty good. Good enough? Well, the bar has been raised in recent seasons, so maybe not, but he certainly has a future in the game and can play in several positions, so could be the utility player which, IMO, squads need. Actually, RS, I reckon that side could give most teams a decent game in the Championship.[/p][/quote]I like Reeves as well. Whenever I've seen him (which isn't very often), he's looked quite good, and he scored a very good goal at Stevenage. I hope he stays, but .... I don't think that team would be embarrassed in the Championship either. Rising_Son
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9:43am Fri 24 May 13

Alicesdad says...

We are definitely entering a third phase. Phase one was getting to the premiership, phase two was staying there and now phase three is making a team that will qualify for Europe.

I was surpised to read just how many names that were supposedly key names two seasons ago are now yesterdays men. It shows how ruthless this business is.

It is however very encouraging to have a core of a first team with so much talent. Boruc, Shaw,Clyne, Cork, Schneiderlin, Lallana and Lambert is a core skeleton team any manager would love to start with.

Next season will see for the first time a team of Poch's own creation rather that Nigel's players with Pochs tactics. That will be hopefully a very excitng team to watch and will achieve something in line with Cortese's ambition.
We are definitely entering a third phase. Phase one was getting to the premiership, phase two was staying there and now phase three is making a team that will qualify for Europe. I was surpised to read just how many names that were supposedly key names two seasons ago are now yesterdays men. It shows how ruthless this business is. It is however very encouraging to have a core of a first team with so much talent. Boruc, Shaw,Clyne, Cork, Schneiderlin, Lallana and Lambert is a core skeleton team any manager would love to start with. Next season will see for the first time a team of Poch's own creation rather that Nigel's players with Pochs tactics. That will be hopefully a very excitng team to watch and will achieve something in line with Cortese's ambition. Alicesdad
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9:44am Fri 24 May 13

allsaintsnocurves says...

I think we should let these decisions up to MP and Cortese...so far I can't argue with any of the decisions made. I know we all have opinions and like to speculate on these things but unless you train with the players day in day out and know their attitude and how they contribute to the squad as a whole it is impossible to speculate on who should stay or go.
I think we should let these decisions up to MP and Cortese...so far I can't argue with any of the decisions made. I know we all have opinions and like to speculate on these things but unless you train with the players day in day out and know their attitude and how they contribute to the squad as a whole it is impossible to speculate on who should stay or go. allsaintsnocurves
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9:49am Fri 24 May 13

Puddletown Saint says...

A great thread today and agree with most posts. Lets say the 17/18 players mentioned all go that leaves a urrent first team squad of:

GK Boruc K Davis Gazza
RB Clyne .......
LB Shaw ........
CB Fonte Hoover Yos Forren
CM Spider Cork Davis JWP
ACM Adam Gaston ........
Winger Punch Maka .......
Strikers Rickie Jay ..........

So in short we need RB LB ACM Winger Striker and a few to step from the kids Targett Gape Sinclair Isgrove Seagar

We then need to improve in a couple of areas get a new CB with can let one go (Hoover) a CM (Davis).

So that is a possible 20 out and 7 in.
Holdon this bus could have many summer stops...............
.....

PS has anybody got the last three pinks........please
A great thread today and agree with most posts. Lets say the 17/18 players mentioned all go that leaves a urrent first team squad of: GK Boruc K Davis Gazza RB Clyne ....... LB Shaw ........ CB Fonte Hoover Yos Forren CM Spider Cork Davis JWP ACM Adam Gaston ........ Winger Punch Maka ....... Strikers Rickie Jay .......... So in short we need RB LB ACM Winger Striker and a few to step from the kids Targett Gape Sinclair Isgrove Seagar We then need to improve in a couple of areas get a new CB with can let one go (Hoover) a CM (Davis). So that is a possible 20 out and 7 in. Holdon this bus could have many summer stops............... ..... PS has anybody got the last three pinks........please Puddletown Saint
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10:04am Fri 24 May 13

SaintJD says...

Egomaniac wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
adamello wrote:
Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
I cannot believe how excited we were to be signing De Ridder and Lee... I know Lee got injured but De Ridder, what a huge flop on an epic scale. I think we will get rid of Davis, Guly (not knocking the guy), Richardson and I also wouldn't be surprised to see Fonte or Jos put on the list. That again is me not saying they are bad, but if MP wants us to be challenging for top 10 I think he will be ruthless
Which Davis?
I think Steven... As I said I am not judging him because I think he is ok but I think MP will sign a CM and spend a decent amount so Morgan and Jack will be ok but think Steve won't be
Why did the woman cross the road?
Who gives a fcuk what was she doing out of the kitchen!
Where were you dragged up?

Idiot!
Probably a cave based on that comment. Not warranted and not funny.

I do quite like Davis though and I think he is the kind of player we should have in that wider first team squad as an emergency option (in place of the current dead wood). He's a good professional, doesn't seem to rock the boat, I don't think he will let anyone down and, when he's come in for certain games, he does a job.

Was surprised by him actually - very tidy little player and has made several defence-splitting passes that have got us goals. If only his finishing was better he'd be a big asset.
[quote][p][bold]Egomaniac[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sally Hamilton Original[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adamello[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sally Hamilton Original[/bold] wrote: I cannot believe how excited we were to be signing De Ridder and Lee... I know Lee got injured but De Ridder, what a huge flop on an epic scale. I think we will get rid of Davis, Guly (not knocking the guy), Richardson and I also wouldn't be surprised to see Fonte or Jos put on the list. That again is me not saying they are bad, but if MP wants us to be challenging for top 10 I think he will be ruthless[/p][/quote]Which Davis?[/p][/quote]I think Steven... As I said I am not judging him because I think he is ok but I think MP will sign a CM and spend a decent amount so Morgan and Jack will be ok but think Steve won't be[/p][/quote]Why did the woman cross the road? Who gives a fcuk what was she doing out of the kitchen![/p][/quote]Where were you dragged up? Idiot![/p][/quote]Probably a cave based on that comment. Not warranted and not funny. I do quite like Davis though and I think he is the kind of player we should have in that wider first team squad as an emergency option (in place of the current dead wood). He's a good professional, doesn't seem to rock the boat, I don't think he will let anyone down and, when he's come in for certain games, he does a job. Was surprised by him actually - very tidy little player and has made several defence-splitting passes that have got us goals. If only his finishing was better he'd be a big asset. SaintJD
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10:12am Fri 24 May 13

Confucious says...

We can all speculate, but at the end of the day, what's practical depends upon the market for players, their marketability and of course the prices they can strike. The p!ss poor FA system is to blame for all the uncertainty and for these things dragging on for weeks. My own view is that it should all be done in a single week.

All the potentially available players should be taken by coach to a big market at the NEC in Birmingham and put in pens for assessment pre-auction.

They could then be auctioned to the highest bidder - with of course a "reserve price", below which they wouldn't be sold.

The only problem I can see is that they all have so many tattoos that it would be difficult to mark or number them with blue ink, so they would have to have a number clipped to their ears (using strong clothes pegs and not pierced attachments). Obviously this would demand they refrain from using massive headphones whilst in the pens.

All the interested parties could then bid for players after they are paraded round the auction ring.

I know there will be some idiots on here who will say things like "Fox and Guly could go into Tesco's pies if they aren't bid for." - but hey ho, there are always some who just can't engage in these matters seriously.
We can all speculate, but at the end of the day, what's practical depends upon the market for players, their marketability and of course the prices they can strike. The p!ss poor FA system is to blame for all the uncertainty and for these things dragging on for weeks. My own view is that it should all be done in a single week. All the potentially available players should be taken by coach to a big market at the NEC in Birmingham and put in pens for assessment pre-auction. They could then be auctioned to the highest bidder - with of course a "reserve price", below which they wouldn't be sold. The only problem I can see is that they all have so many tattoos that it would be difficult to mark or number them with blue ink, so they would have to have a number clipped to their ears (using strong clothes pegs and not pierced attachments). Obviously this would demand they refrain from using massive headphones whilst in the pens. All the interested parties could then bid for players after they are paraded round the auction ring. I know there will be some idiots on here who will say things like "Fox and Guly could go into Tesco's pies if they aren't bid for." - but hey ho, there are always some who just can't engage in these matters seriously. Confucious
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10:13am Fri 24 May 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

Puddletown Saint wrote:
A great thread today and agree with most posts. Lets say the 17/18 players mentioned all go that leaves a urrent first team squad of:

GK Boruc K Davis Gazza
RB Clyne .......
LB Shaw ........
CB Fonte Hoover Yos Forren
CM Spider Cork Davis JWP
ACM Adam Gaston ........
Winger Punch Maka .......
Strikers Rickie Jay ..........

So in short we need RB LB ACM Winger Striker and a few to step from the kids Targett Gape Sinclair Isgrove Seagar

We then need to improve in a couple of areas get a new CB with can let one go (Hoover) a CM (Davis).

So that is a possible 20 out and 7 in.
Holdon this bus could have many summer stops...............

.....

PS has anybody got the last three pinks........please
Holdon the bus? I hadn't realised the bus had a name. Is it an Aussie bus? Then it should surely be 'Holden' - with an E. :)

Meanwhile, I think you've pretty much nailed the needs.
[quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: A great thread today and agree with most posts. Lets say the 17/18 players mentioned all go that leaves a urrent first team squad of: GK Boruc K Davis Gazza RB Clyne ....... LB Shaw ........ CB Fonte Hoover Yos Forren CM Spider Cork Davis JWP ACM Adam Gaston ........ Winger Punch Maka ....... Strikers Rickie Jay .......... So in short we need RB LB ACM Winger Striker and a few to step from the kids Targett Gape Sinclair Isgrove Seagar We then need to improve in a couple of areas get a new CB with can let one go (Hoover) a CM (Davis). So that is a possible 20 out and 7 in. Holdon this bus could have many summer stops............... ..... PS has anybody got the last three pinks........please[/p][/quote]Holdon the bus? I hadn't realised the bus had a name. Is it an Aussie bus? Then it should surely be 'Holden' - with an E. :) Meanwhile, I think you've pretty much nailed the needs. Strasbourg Saint
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10:15am Fri 24 May 13

legod7 says...

All these people wanting to get rid of Steven Davis absolutely amaze me. He is on a par with Clyne as the best signing this club made last summer.
All these people wanting to get rid of Steven Davis absolutely amaze me. He is on a par with Clyne as the best signing this club made last summer. legod7
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10:16am Fri 24 May 13

J7junctionseven says...

Ganja Jungle wrote:
Fair enough agree with most listed above. Defence is priority then maybe a clinical finisher.

Quick question Who will make our kit now Umbro owned by Nike ?
I heard a rumour that we will be Adidas next season and back to Red and White stripes.
[quote][p][bold]Ganja Jungle[/bold] wrote: Fair enough agree with most listed above. Defence is priority then maybe a clinical finisher. Quick question Who will make our kit now Umbro owned by Nike ?[/p][/quote]I heard a rumour that we will be Adidas next season and back to Red and White stripes. J7junctionseven
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10:30am Fri 24 May 13

saintshorse101 says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Puddletown Saint wrote:
A great thread today and agree with most posts. Lets say the 17/18 players mentioned all go that leaves a urrent first team squad of:

GK Boruc K Davis Gazza
RB Clyne .......
LB Shaw ........
CB Fonte Hoover Yos Forren
CM Spider Cork Davis JWP
ACM Adam Gaston ........
Winger Punch Maka .......
Strikers Rickie Jay ..........

So in short we need RB LB ACM Winger Striker and a few to step from the kids Targett Gape Sinclair Isgrove Seagar

We then need to improve in a couple of areas get a new CB with can let one go (Hoover) a CM (Davis).

So that is a possible 20 out and 7 in.
Holdon this bus could have many summer stops...............


.....

PS has anybody got the last three pinks........please
Holdon the bus? I hadn't realised the bus had a name. Is it an Aussie bus? Then it should surely be 'Holden' - with an E. :)

Meanwhile, I think you've pretty much nailed the needs.
are we still on a bus? I thought nige took his bus with him to Reading.

are we now not on a plane? after all planes can get to Europe quicker than busses, and you don't have to go through a nasty tunnel or get rocked about on a ferry!
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: A great thread today and agree with most posts. Lets say the 17/18 players mentioned all go that leaves a urrent first team squad of: GK Boruc K Davis Gazza RB Clyne ....... LB Shaw ........ CB Fonte Hoover Yos Forren CM Spider Cork Davis JWP ACM Adam Gaston ........ Winger Punch Maka ....... Strikers Rickie Jay .......... So in short we need RB LB ACM Winger Striker and a few to step from the kids Targett Gape Sinclair Isgrove Seagar We then need to improve in a couple of areas get a new CB with can let one go (Hoover) a CM (Davis). So that is a possible 20 out and 7 in. Holdon this bus could have many summer stops............... ..... PS has anybody got the last three pinks........please[/p][/quote]Holdon the bus? I hadn't realised the bus had a name. Is it an Aussie bus? Then it should surely be 'Holden' - with an E. :) Meanwhile, I think you've pretty much nailed the needs.[/p][/quote]are we still on a bus? I thought nige took his bus with him to Reading. are we now not on a plane? after all planes can get to Europe quicker than busses, and you don't have to go through a nasty tunnel or get rocked about on a ferry! saintshorse101
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10:31am Fri 24 May 13

ghk230473 says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Whitton wrote:
We should DEFINATELY not let go of Mayuka, yes, he is young and inexperienced but isn't likehalf of our club? I believe he has true potential to be a huge name in the future.
COYR
Agreed. Although some first-team players may have their places put under threat, I don't think we'll see too many of the first team or academy leaving. We need evolution NOT revolution.

Along with the players who didn't feature at all (or hardly at all), the obvious ones under threat are Fox and Guly.

However, IMO, the most important squad needs are a replacement for Chaplow in the middle, a speedy winger to replace De Ridder, a right back to replace Richardson and a goal poacher to replace Sharp. Even so, the 'new' Chaplow and Richardson are probably bench warmers. A world-class speedy winger and goal poacher with what we had last season could have got us close to the top 7.

After that, it depends which other signings could improve on the current first-team players such as the centre backs and the attacking midfielders (Lallana, Ramirez, Punch, JayRod, Davis, Guly).

The biggest riddle is at left back. Shaw (assuming he stays) is still young and Taggert is younger still but we don't want to block their development. So, for another season, we may need Fox (I agree with Wecoming4u, he's done okay, just isn't good enough for where we're going).
If we are serious about our stated aims then all signings should be for the first 11 with the dislodged players becoming the bench.
Agree. Need to buy to improve squad.
So, what you're both saying is that we either stick with our current full backs and central midfielders or we buy players who could immediately dislodge Shaw, Clyne, Cork or Schneiderlin.

Confused of Strasbourg!
I think what they're saying is that any players we buy should be better than the players we have. I don't think they want to buy anyone just for cover.
That's how I read it. Ergo, only buy a right back if he's better than Clyne. How does that work?

Okay, one to put pressure on Clyne in a way that Richardson or Butterfield, alas, aren't able to, but that's VERY different from finding and buying one who is better than Clyne.
I would buy to replace existing 11. To replace clyne would be a hell of a player but he's not our weakness, if injured we cover with cork. Could discuss all day weak points but for me to start with it would be the centre halves. Then next priority IMO is a goal scorer.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whitton[/bold] wrote: We should DEFINATELY not let go of Mayuka, yes, he is young and inexperienced but isn't likehalf of our club? I believe he has true potential to be a huge name in the future. COYR[/p][/quote]Agreed. Although some first-team players may have their places put under threat, I don't think we'll see too many of the first team or academy leaving. We need evolution NOT revolution. Along with the players who didn't feature at all (or hardly at all), the obvious ones under threat are Fox and Guly. However, IMO, the most important squad needs are a replacement for Chaplow in the middle, a speedy winger to replace De Ridder, a right back to replace Richardson and a goal poacher to replace Sharp. Even so, the 'new' Chaplow and Richardson are probably bench warmers. A world-class speedy winger and goal poacher with what we had last season could have got us close to the top 7. After that, it depends which other signings could improve on the current first-team players such as the centre backs and the attacking midfielders (Lallana, Ramirez, Punch, JayRod, Davis, Guly). The biggest riddle is at left back. Shaw (assuming he stays) is still young and Taggert is younger still but we don't want to block their development. So, for another season, we may need Fox (I agree with Wecoming4u, he's done okay, just isn't good enough for where we're going).[/p][/quote]If we are serious about our stated aims then all signings should be for the first 11 with the dislodged players becoming the bench.[/p][/quote]Agree. Need to buy to improve squad.[/p][/quote]So, what you're both saying is that we either stick with our current full backs and central midfielders or we buy players who could immediately dislodge Shaw, Clyne, Cork or Schneiderlin. Confused of Strasbourg![/p][/quote]I think what they're saying is that any players we buy should be better than the players we have. I don't think they want to buy anyone just for cover.[/p][/quote]That's how I read it. Ergo, only buy a right back if he's better than Clyne. How does that work? Okay, one to put pressure on Clyne in a way that Richardson or Butterfield, alas, aren't able to, but that's VERY different from finding and buying one who is better than Clyne.[/p][/quote]I would buy to replace existing 11. To replace clyne would be a hell of a player but he's not our weakness, if injured we cover with cork. Could discuss all day weak points but for me to start with it would be the centre halves. Then next priority IMO is a goal scorer. ghk230473
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10:36am Fri 24 May 13

Rising_Son says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Whitton wrote:
We should DEFINATELY not let go of Mayuka, yes, he is young and inexperienced but isn't likehalf of our club? I believe he has true potential to be a huge name in the future.
COYR
Agreed. Although some first-team players may have their places put under threat, I don't think we'll see too many of the first team or academy leaving. We need evolution NOT revolution.

Along with the players who didn't feature at all (or hardly at all), the obvious ones under threat are Fox and Guly.

However, IMO, the most important squad needs are a replacement for Chaplow in the middle, a speedy winger to replace De Ridder, a right back to replace Richardson and a goal poacher to replace Sharp. Even so, the 'new' Chaplow and Richardson are probably bench warmers. A world-class speedy winger and goal poacher with what we had last season could have got us close to the top 7.

After that, it depends which other signings could improve on the current first-team players such as the centre backs and the attacking midfielders (Lallana, Ramirez, Punch, JayRod, Davis, Guly).

The biggest riddle is at left back. Shaw (assuming he stays) is still young and Taggert is younger still but we don't want to block their development. So, for another season, we may need Fox (I agree with Wecoming4u, he's done okay, just isn't good enough for where we're going).
If we are serious about our stated aims then all signings should be for the first 11 with the dislodged players becoming the bench.
Agree. Need to buy to improve squad.
So, what you're both saying is that we either stick with our current full backs and central midfielders or we buy players who could immediately dislodge Shaw, Clyne, Cork or Schneiderlin.

Confused of Strasbourg!
I think what they're saying is that any players we buy should be better than the players we have. I don't think they want to buy anyone just for cover.
That's how I read it. Ergo, only buy a right back if he's better than Clyne. How does that work?

Okay, one to put pressure on Clyne in a way that Richardson or Butterfield, alas, aren't able to, but that's VERY different from finding and buying one who is better than Clyne.
I would buy to replace existing 11. To replace clyne would be a hell of a player but he's not our weakness, if injured we cover with cork. Could discuss all day weak points but for me to start with it would be the centre halves. Then next priority IMO is a goal scorer.
One good centre back and a goal scorer are the number one priority.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whitton[/bold] wrote: We should DEFINATELY not let go of Mayuka, yes, he is young and inexperienced but isn't likehalf of our club? I believe he has true potential to be a huge name in the future. COYR[/p][/quote]Agreed. Although some first-team players may have their places put under threat, I don't think we'll see too many of the first team or academy leaving. We need evolution NOT revolution. Along with the players who didn't feature at all (or hardly at all), the obvious ones under threat are Fox and Guly. However, IMO, the most important squad needs are a replacement for Chaplow in the middle, a speedy winger to replace De Ridder, a right back to replace Richardson and a goal poacher to replace Sharp. Even so, the 'new' Chaplow and Richardson are probably bench warmers. A world-class speedy winger and goal poacher with what we had last season could have got us close to the top 7. After that, it depends which other signings could improve on the current first-team players such as the centre backs and the attacking midfielders (Lallana, Ramirez, Punch, JayRod, Davis, Guly). The biggest riddle is at left back. Shaw (assuming he stays) is still young and Taggert is younger still but we don't want to block their development. So, for another season, we may need Fox (I agree with Wecoming4u, he's done okay, just isn't good enough for where we're going).[/p][/quote]If we are serious about our stated aims then all signings should be for the first 11 with the dislodged players becoming the bench.[/p][/quote]Agree. Need to buy to improve squad.[/p][/quote]So, what you're both saying is that we either stick with our current full backs and central midfielders or we buy players who could immediately dislodge Shaw, Clyne, Cork or Schneiderlin. Confused of Strasbourg![/p][/quote]I think what they're saying is that any players we buy should be better than the players we have. I don't think they want to buy anyone just for cover.[/p][/quote]That's how I read it. Ergo, only buy a right back if he's better than Clyne. How does that work? Okay, one to put pressure on Clyne in a way that Richardson or Butterfield, alas, aren't able to, but that's VERY different from finding and buying one who is better than Clyne.[/p][/quote]I would buy to replace existing 11. To replace clyne would be a hell of a player but he's not our weakness, if injured we cover with cork. Could discuss all day weak points but for me to start with it would be the centre halves. Then next priority IMO is a goal scorer.[/p][/quote]One good centre back and a goal scorer are the number one priority. Rising_Son
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10:41am Fri 24 May 13

right back in the bar says...

I would like to see a winger someone with real pace and ability who will turn defences and put over quality crosses for Sir RL & JRod. And it would be nice to have someone really creative in midfield (Davis, Cork and Spider are great but too similar) we need someone like that chap playing for Liverpool we missed out on - he's quality. I hope the quality of our so called big name signings improve because they have been crap quite frankly.
I would like to see a winger someone with real pace and ability who will turn defences and put over quality crosses for Sir RL & JRod. And it would be nice to have someone really creative in midfield (Davis, Cork and Spider are great but too similar) we need someone like that chap playing for Liverpool we missed out on - he's quality. I hope the quality of our so called big name signings improve because they have been crap quite frankly. right back in the bar
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10:51am Fri 24 May 13

Confucious says...

We should plan for the longer term. We should buy Messi and Casey Stoney (captain of the England women's football team) and then breed them.

We could also get our money back fast by putting Messi out to stud and/or selling his frozen sperm for £2m per thimblefull.
We should plan for the longer term. We should buy Messi and Casey Stoney (captain of the England women's football team) and then breed them. We could also get our money back fast by putting Messi out to stud and/or selling his frozen sperm for £2m per thimblefull. Confucious
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10:54am Fri 24 May 13

SaintJD says...

Rising_Son wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Whitton wrote:
We should DEFINATELY not let go of Mayuka, yes, he is young and inexperienced but isn't likehalf of our club? I believe he has true potential to be a huge name in the future.
COYR
Agreed. Although some first-team players may have their places put under threat, I don't think we'll see too many of the first team or academy leaving. We need evolution NOT revolution.

Along with the players who didn't feature at all (or hardly at all), the obvious ones under threat are Fox and Guly.

However, IMO, the most important squad needs are a replacement for Chaplow in the middle, a speedy winger to replace De Ridder, a right back to replace Richardson and a goal poacher to replace Sharp. Even so, the 'new' Chaplow and Richardson are probably bench warmers. A world-class speedy winger and goal poacher with what we had last season could have got us close to the top 7.

After that, it depends which other signings could improve on the current first-team players such as the centre backs and the attacking midfielders (Lallana, Ramirez, Punch, JayRod, Davis, Guly).

The biggest riddle is at left back. Shaw (assuming he stays) is still young and Taggert is younger still but we don't want to block their development. So, for another season, we may need Fox (I agree with Wecoming4u, he's done okay, just isn't good enough for where we're going).
If we are serious about our stated aims then all signings should be for the first 11 with the dislodged players becoming the bench.
Agree. Need to buy to improve squad.
So, what you're both saying is that we either stick with our current full backs and central midfielders or we buy players who could immediately dislodge Shaw, Clyne, Cork or Schneiderlin.

Confused of Strasbourg!
I think what they're saying is that any players we buy should be better than the players we have. I don't think they want to buy anyone just for cover.
That's how I read it. Ergo, only buy a right back if he's better than Clyne. How does that work?

Okay, one to put pressure on Clyne in a way that Richardson or Butterfield, alas, aren't able to, but that's VERY different from finding and buying one who is better than Clyne.
I would buy to replace existing 11. To replace clyne would be a hell of a player but he's not our weakness, if injured we cover with cork. Could discuss all day weak points but for me to start with it would be the centre halves. Then next priority IMO is a goal scorer.
One good centre back and a goal scorer are the number one priority.
Let's face it - if we want any chance of keeping our best young players we have to virtually guarantee them first team football (within reason obviously and with the understanding they'll need a rest on occasion).

They simply have to be our first choice in their positions or why wouldn't they just warm the bench at Chelsea instead?

All in all a difficult balancing act for Saints if they are seriously ambitious this summer.

What marks Man Utd out against the others isn't just continuity it is squad unity - nobody grumbles about playing a bit part (bar Rooney maybe and he's being pushed out).

That's priceless and we had it to some extent this season. If you lose that ethic, you are in trouble.

If you have better players not getting a game you can get unrest and splits in the squad, so Ponch is going to have to choose players as much on their character as their ability.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whitton[/bold] wrote: We should DEFINATELY not let go of Mayuka, yes, he is young and inexperienced but isn't likehalf of our club? I believe he has true potential to be a huge name in the future. COYR[/p][/quote]Agreed. Although some first-team players may have their places put under threat, I don't think we'll see too many of the first team or academy leaving. We need evolution NOT revolution. Along with the players who didn't feature at all (or hardly at all), the obvious ones under threat are Fox and Guly. However, IMO, the most important squad needs are a replacement for Chaplow in the middle, a speedy winger to replace De Ridder, a right back to replace Richardson and a goal poacher to replace Sharp. Even so, the 'new' Chaplow and Richardson are probably bench warmers. A world-class speedy winger and goal poacher with what we had last season could have got us close to the top 7. After that, it depends which other signings could improve on the current first-team players such as the centre backs and the attacking midfielders (Lallana, Ramirez, Punch, JayRod, Davis, Guly). The biggest riddle is at left back. Shaw (assuming he stays) is still young and Taggert is younger still but we don't want to block their development. So, for another season, we may need Fox (I agree with Wecoming4u, he's done okay, just isn't good enough for where we're going).[/p][/quote]If we are serious about our stated aims then all signings should be for the first 11 with the dislodged players becoming the bench.[/p][/quote]Agree. Need to buy to improve squad.[/p][/quote]So, what you're both saying is that we either stick with our current full backs and central midfielders or we buy players who could immediately dislodge Shaw, Clyne, Cork or Schneiderlin. Confused of Strasbourg![/p][/quote]I think what they're saying is that any players we buy should be better than the players we have. I don't think they want to buy anyone just for cover.[/p][/quote]That's how I read it. Ergo, only buy a right back if he's better than Clyne. How does that work? Okay, one to put pressure on Clyne in a way that Richardson or Butterfield, alas, aren't able to, but that's VERY different from finding and buying one who is better than Clyne.[/p][/quote]I would buy to replace existing 11. To replace clyne would be a hell of a player but he's not our weakness, if injured we cover with cork. Could discuss all day weak points but for me to start with it would be the centre halves. Then next priority IMO is a goal scorer.[/p][/quote]One good centre back and a goal scorer are the number one priority.[/p][/quote]Let's face it - if we want any chance of keeping our best young players we have to virtually guarantee them first team football (within reason obviously and with the understanding they'll need a rest on occasion). They simply have to be our first choice in their positions or why wouldn't they just warm the bench at Chelsea instead? All in all a difficult balancing act for Saints if they are seriously ambitious this summer. What marks Man Utd out against the others isn't just continuity it is squad unity - nobody grumbles about playing a bit part (bar Rooney maybe and he's being pushed out). That's priceless and we had it to some extent this season. If you lose that ethic, you are in trouble. If you have better players not getting a game you can get unrest and splits in the squad, so Ponch is going to have to choose players as much on their character as their ability. SaintJD
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11:01am Fri 24 May 13

leosaint says...

george chivers wrote:
Once we've had the clear out let's hope we can make some better signings this season compared to last season.

Ramirez, not value for money at £12m
J-Rod, goodish but still not a £9m player
Mayuka, poor value at £4m
Forren, poor so far at £3m
Gazzanigger, worrying at £3m

Total £31m

Free transfers

Clyne, Superb
Davis, very good squad player
Boruc, slow start, now very good

The frees were on the whole were better signings.

Hope we get better value for money next season.
I don´t know where you got your figures? Clyne cost £2,500,000 and Davis £800,000 both in compensation to their previous clubs and most of the other fees are vastly different to what the popular press reported. J-rod, Ramirez and Clyne were outstanding for around £20,000,000 whilst Mayuka Gazzanigger for around £5,000,000 were excellent buys for the future.We still have to see Forren play? Which leaves Boruc who did ok but could be the weak link next season. All together I feel Saints got it right last summer apart from C-Back improvement,we need only a claas C-B and maybe a speedy winger and a real class goalkeeper and we should zoom up the table next season.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Once we've had the clear out let's hope we can make some better signings this season compared to last season. Ramirez, not value for money at £12m J-Rod, goodish but still not a £9m player Mayuka, poor value at £4m Forren, poor so far at £3m Gazzanigger, worrying at £3m Total £31m Free transfers Clyne, Superb Davis, very good squad player Boruc, slow start, now very good The frees were on the whole were better signings. Hope we get better value for money next season.[/p][/quote]I don´t know where you got your figures? Clyne cost £2,500,000 and Davis £800,000 both in compensation to their previous clubs and most of the other fees are vastly different to what the popular press reported. J-rod, Ramirez and Clyne were outstanding for around £20,000,000 whilst Mayuka Gazzanigger for around £5,000,000 were excellent buys for the future.We still have to see Forren play? Which leaves Boruc who did ok but could be the weak link next season. All together I feel Saints got it right last summer apart from C-Back improvement,we need only a claas C-B and maybe a speedy winger and a real class goalkeeper and we should zoom up the table next season. leosaint
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11:02am Fri 24 May 13

ghk230473 says...

Confucious wrote:
We should plan for the longer term. We should buy Messi and Casey Stoney (captain of the England women's football team) and then breed them.

We could also get our money back fast by putting Messi out to stud and/or selling his frozen sperm for £2m per thimblefull.
Never a true word said in jest!
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: We should plan for the longer term. We should buy Messi and Casey Stoney (captain of the England women's football team) and then breed them. We could also get our money back fast by putting Messi out to stud and/or selling his frozen sperm for £2m per thimblefull.[/p][/quote]Never a true word said in jest! ghk230473
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11:03am Fri 24 May 13

batesieboy says...

george chivers wrote:
Once we've had the clear out let's hope we can make some better signings this season compared to last season. Ramirez, not value for money at £12m J-Rod, goodish but still not a £9m player Mayuka, poor value at £4m Forren, poor so far at £3m Gazzanigger, worrying at £3m Total £31m Free transfers Clyne, Superb Davis, very good squad player Boruc, slow start, now very good The frees were on the whole were better signings. Hope we get better value for money next season.
Contender for worst post of the year.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Once we've had the clear out let's hope we can make some better signings this season compared to last season. Ramirez, not value for money at £12m J-Rod, goodish but still not a £9m player Mayuka, poor value at £4m Forren, poor so far at £3m Gazzanigger, worrying at £3m Total £31m Free transfers Clyne, Superb Davis, very good squad player Boruc, slow start, now very good The frees were on the whole were better signings. Hope we get better value for money next season.[/p][/quote]Contender for worst post of the year. batesieboy
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11:03am Fri 24 May 13

Chriops says...

It's all very well some people saying that Guly and Fox are going to go, (or at least hoping that they will), but you guys need to put it into perspective.

If all 14 of the people in the article leave, we still need to have a squad.
36 - 14 = 22 squad players.

Lets assume we will promote a further 2 or 3 kids, as we have in the last couple of years. That would take us to 25 squad players.

I don't believe we will sign more than 4 players, following on from the the same strategy we have used in recent years to retain the spirit of the squad. Potentially we might also sign a couple of kids with potential, like we did with Cody Cropper, but I expect that to be it.

That would leave us with a small squad of 29 players, especially when we would have a relatively high number of those being kids. Getting rid of Fox and Guly would leave us with too small a squad so it won't happen - unless we are offered 'good' money for them.
It's all very well some people saying that Guly and Fox are going to go, (or at least hoping that they will), but you guys need to put it into perspective. If all 14 of the people in the article leave, we still need to have a squad. 36 - 14 = 22 squad players. Lets assume we will promote a further 2 or 3 kids, as we have in the last couple of years. That would take us to 25 squad players. I don't believe we will sign more than 4 players, following on from the the same strategy we have used in recent years to retain the spirit of the squad. Potentially we might also sign a couple of kids with potential, like we did with Cody Cropper, but I expect that to be it. That would leave us with a small squad of 29 players, especially when we would have a relatively high number of those being kids. Getting rid of Fox and Guly would leave us with too small a squad so it won't happen - unless we are offered 'good' money for them. Chriops
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11:06am Fri 24 May 13

Rising_Son says...

Chriops wrote:
It's all very well some people saying that Guly and Fox are going to go, (or at least hoping that they will), but you guys need to put it into perspective.

If all 14 of the people in the article leave, we still need to have a squad.
36 - 14 = 22 squad players.

Lets assume we will promote a further 2 or 3 kids, as we have in the last couple of years. That would take us to 25 squad players.

I don't believe we will sign more than 4 players, following on from the the same strategy we have used in recent years to retain the spirit of the squad. Potentially we might also sign a couple of kids with potential, like we did with Cody Cropper, but I expect that to be it.

That would leave us with a small squad of 29 players, especially when we would have a relatively high number of those being kids. Getting rid of Fox and Guly would leave us with too small a squad so it won't happen - unless we are offered 'good' money for them.
The alternative is to loan Fox and Guly out or let them go on frees, and get replacements,
[quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote: It's all very well some people saying that Guly and Fox are going to go, (or at least hoping that they will), but you guys need to put it into perspective. If all 14 of the people in the article leave, we still need to have a squad. 36 - 14 = 22 squad players. Lets assume we will promote a further 2 or 3 kids, as we have in the last couple of years. That would take us to 25 squad players. I don't believe we will sign more than 4 players, following on from the the same strategy we have used in recent years to retain the spirit of the squad. Potentially we might also sign a couple of kids with potential, like we did with Cody Cropper, but I expect that to be it. That would leave us with a small squad of 29 players, especially when we would have a relatively high number of those being kids. Getting rid of Fox and Guly would leave us with too small a squad so it won't happen - unless we are offered 'good' money for them.[/p][/quote]The alternative is to loan Fox and Guly out or let them go on frees, and get replacements, Rising_Son
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11:10am Fri 24 May 13

batesieboy says...

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
I think we should let these decisions up to MP and Cortese...so far I can't argue with any of the decisions made. I know we all have opinions and like to speculate on these things but unless you train with the players day in day out and know their attitude and how they contribute to the squad as a whole it is impossible to speculate on who should stay or go.
OK. But is it alright if we just chat a bit while this happens?
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: I think we should let these decisions up to MP and Cortese...so far I can't argue with any of the decisions made. I know we all have opinions and like to speculate on these things but unless you train with the players day in day out and know their attitude and how they contribute to the squad as a whole it is impossible to speculate on who should stay or go.[/p][/quote]OK. But is it alright if we just chat a bit while this happens? batesieboy
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11:21am Fri 24 May 13

Mush On The Beach says...

PokerSaint wrote:
shaw will be sold to chelski in a swap deal for Romelu Lukaku. you heard it here 1st!!!!!
Interesting.
Chelski need Shaw more than they do Lukaku in terms of positional cover and so I could see them making that offer.
However, I think we also need Shaw more than we do Lukaku but would be extra happy if we could have both.
[quote][p][bold]PokerSaint[/bold] wrote: shaw will be sold to chelski in a swap deal for Romelu Lukaku. you heard it here 1st!!!!![/p][/quote]Interesting. Chelski need Shaw more than they do Lukaku in terms of positional cover and so I could see them making that offer. However, I think we also need Shaw more than we do Lukaku but would be extra happy if we could have both. Mush On The Beach
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11:23am Fri 24 May 13

J7junctionseven says...

Cheapshot wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Once we've had the clear out let's hope we can make some better signings this season compared to last season.

Ramirez, not value for money at £12m
J-Rod, goodish but still not a £9m player
Mayuka, poor value at £4m
Forren, poor so far at £3m
Gazzanigger, worrying at £3m

Total £31m

Free transfers

Clyne, Superb
Davis, very good squad player
Boruc, slow start, now very good

The frees were on the whole were better signings.

Hope we get better value for money next season.
I'm sure we will do better, MoPo has already hinted about dipping into the Spanish league, and we all know NC will bring someone in from Italy!

Some of your figures are off though i think
J-Rod was between 6-7m
Mayuka - 3.5m
Forren - 4m
and Gaz -1m
Davis - 200k

So i don't think we did too bad. J-Rod Gaston and Mayuka will all get better for sure. It's just about adding that touch of class around them to bring out the best in everyone.

Slightly off topic....what are the words to MoPo's song? Everyone who stands around me was singing it and i couldn't understand a word of it!
Me too about the song!
I know Pompey are in the first verse and "They've got Whittingham, We've got Pottechino" is something like the last verse....but me and mates were trying to listen to at Spurs and couldn't suss it out and we were only stood a few feet away. We were a bit boozy though!
Someone must know the words on here
COYR
[quote][p][bold]Cheapshot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Once we've had the clear out let's hope we can make some better signings this season compared to last season. Ramirez, not value for money at £12m J-Rod, goodish but still not a £9m player Mayuka, poor value at £4m Forren, poor so far at £3m Gazzanigger, worrying at £3m Total £31m Free transfers Clyne, Superb Davis, very good squad player Boruc, slow start, now very good The frees were on the whole were better signings. Hope we get better value for money next season.[/p][/quote]I'm sure we will do better, MoPo has already hinted about dipping into the Spanish league, and we all know NC will bring someone in from Italy! Some of your figures are off though i think J-Rod was between 6-7m Mayuka - 3.5m Forren - 4m and Gaz -1m Davis - 200k So i don't think we did too bad. J-Rod Gaston and Mayuka will all get better for sure. It's just about adding that touch of class around them to bring out the best in everyone. Slightly off topic....what are the words to MoPo's song? Everyone who stands around me was singing it and i couldn't understand a word of it![/p][/quote]Me too about the song! I know Pompey are in the first verse and "They've got Whittingham, We've got Pottechino" is something like the last verse....but me and mates were trying to listen to at Spurs and couldn't suss it out and we were only stood a few feet away. We were a bit boozy though! Someone must know the words on here COYR J7junctionseven
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11:33am Fri 24 May 13

REDARMYRULETHESOUTH says...

This thread highlights how well the Team did throughout the Season and how we have been :

SAINTS -LITE

with regard to a Premiership Squad.

Once we have had a clear-out - it will be readily apparent how few Premiership Players we have.

Although he did not set the Premiership alight - we did miss the impact and option of Gaston after his red card.

It was easy in League One and the Championship to buy who we wanted and make progress.

The biggest Challenge to MP and NC are securing TOP QUALITY Signings.

We have the AMBITION - we have GOOD FINANCIAL CLOUT - now we must secure those signings and fill our Squad if we want to FIGHT on more than one front in the CUP COMPETITIONS.

WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON.

RED ARMY 2013. WE FIGHT.WE WIN. COYR
This thread highlights how well the Team did throughout the Season and how we have been : SAINTS -LITE with regard to a Premiership Squad. Once we have had a clear-out - it will be readily apparent how few Premiership Players we have. Although he did not set the Premiership alight - we did miss the impact and option of Gaston after his red card. It was easy in League One and the Championship to buy who we wanted and make progress. The biggest Challenge to MP and NC are securing TOP QUALITY Signings. We have the AMBITION - we have GOOD FINANCIAL CLOUT - now we must secure those signings and fill our Squad if we want to FIGHT on more than one front in the CUP COMPETITIONS. WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON. RED ARMY 2013. WE FIGHT.WE WIN. COYR REDARMYRULETHESOUTH
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11:39am Fri 24 May 13

Confucious says...

Some players will be nervy, but a big clear out is nothing new for Punch.
Some players will be nervy, but a big clear out is nothing new for Punch. Confucious
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11:41am Fri 24 May 13

St.David says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Puddletown Saint wrote:
A great thread today and agree with most posts. Lets say the 17/18 players mentioned all go that leaves a urrent first team squad of:

GK Boruc K Davis Gazza
RB Clyne .......
LB Shaw ........
CB Fonte Hoover Yos Forren
CM Spider Cork Davis JWP
ACM Adam Gaston ........
Winger Punch Maka .......
Strikers Rickie Jay ..........

So in short we need RB LB ACM Winger Striker and a few to step from the kids Targett Gape Sinclair Isgrove Seagar

We then need to improve in a couple of areas get a new CB with can let one go (Hoover) a CM (Davis).

So that is a possible 20 out and 7 in.
Holdon this bus could have many summer stops...............


.....

PS has anybody got the last three pinks........please
Holdon the bus? I hadn't realised the bus had a name. Is it an Aussie bus? Then it should surely be 'Holden' - with an E. :)

Meanwhile, I think you've pretty much nailed the needs.
Totally agree. . This keeps the core of the squad that has done so well. The last thing we need to do is a QPR or a Pompey and try and buy success at the risk of destroying our club. We have got something that is the envy of every other Prem. club. . Our academy. We need to strengthen but also develop. Lets hope we can have a couple of long cup runs next season so the kids get a chance to play without the pressure of the league on their shoulders. The future is so bright it's blinding. . Gonna be an exciting summer. Coyrs!!
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: A great thread today and agree with most posts. Lets say the 17/18 players mentioned all go that leaves a urrent first team squad of: GK Boruc K Davis Gazza RB Clyne ....... LB Shaw ........ CB Fonte Hoover Yos Forren CM Spider Cork Davis JWP ACM Adam Gaston ........ Winger Punch Maka ....... Strikers Rickie Jay .......... So in short we need RB LB ACM Winger Striker and a few to step from the kids Targett Gape Sinclair Isgrove Seagar We then need to improve in a couple of areas get a new CB with can let one go (Hoover) a CM (Davis). So that is a possible 20 out and 7 in. Holdon this bus could have many summer stops............... ..... PS has anybody got the last three pinks........please[/p][/quote]Holdon the bus? I hadn't realised the bus had a name. Is it an Aussie bus? Then it should surely be 'Holden' - with an E. :) Meanwhile, I think you've pretty much nailed the needs.[/p][/quote]Totally agree. . This keeps the core of the squad that has done so well. The last thing we need to do is a QPR or a Pompey and try and buy success at the risk of destroying our club. We have got something that is the envy of every other Prem. club. . Our academy. We need to strengthen but also develop. Lets hope we can have a couple of long cup runs next season so the kids get a chance to play without the pressure of the league on their shoulders. The future is so bright it's blinding. . Gonna be an exciting summer. Coyrs!! St.David
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11:43am Fri 24 May 13

St.David says...

St.David wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Puddletown Saint wrote:
A great thread today and agree with most posts. Lets say the 17/18 players mentioned all go that leaves a urrent first team squad of:

GK Boruc K Davis Gazza
RB Clyne .......
LB Shaw ........
CB Fonte Hoover Yos Forren
CM Spider Cork Davis JWP
ACM Adam Gaston ........
Winger Punch Maka .......
Strikers Rickie Jay ..........

So in short we need RB LB ACM Winger Striker and a few to step from the kids Targett Gape Sinclair Isgrove Seagar

We then need to improve in a couple of areas get a new CB with can let one go (Hoover) a CM (Davis).

So that is a possible 20 out and 7 in.
Holdon this bus could have many summer stops...............



.....

PS has anybody got the last three pinks........please
Holdon the bus? I hadn't realised the bus had a name. Is it an Aussie bus? Then it should surely be 'Holden' - with an E. :)

Meanwhile, I think you've pretty much nailed the needs.
Totally agree. . This keeps the core of the squad that has done so well. The last thing we need to do is a QPR or a Pompey and try and buy success at the risk of destroying our club. We have got something that is the envy of every other Prem. club. . Our academy. We need to strengthen but also develop. Lets hope we can have a couple of long cup runs next season so the kids get a chance to play without the pressure of the league on their shoulders. The future is so bright it's blinding. . Gonna be an exciting summer. Coyrs!!
I think the bus will be travelling so fast next year we are all gonna have to Holdon tight!! Coyrs!
[quote][p][bold]St.David[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: A great thread today and agree with most posts. Lets say the 17/18 players mentioned all go that leaves a urrent first team squad of: GK Boruc K Davis Gazza RB Clyne ....... LB Shaw ........ CB Fonte Hoover Yos Forren CM Spider Cork Davis JWP ACM Adam Gaston ........ Winger Punch Maka ....... Strikers Rickie Jay .......... So in short we need RB LB ACM Winger Striker and a few to step from the kids Targett Gape Sinclair Isgrove Seagar We then need to improve in a couple of areas get a new CB with can let one go (Hoover) a CM (Davis). So that is a possible 20 out and 7 in. Holdon this bus could have many summer stops............... ..... PS has anybody got the last three pinks........please[/p][/quote]Holdon the bus? I hadn't realised the bus had a name. Is it an Aussie bus? Then it should surely be 'Holden' - with an E. :) Meanwhile, I think you've pretty much nailed the needs.[/p][/quote]Totally agree. . This keeps the core of the squad that has done so well. The last thing we need to do is a QPR or a Pompey and try and buy success at the risk of destroying our club. We have got something that is the envy of every other Prem. club. . Our academy. We need to strengthen but also develop. Lets hope we can have a couple of long cup runs next season so the kids get a chance to play without the pressure of the league on their shoulders. The future is so bright it's blinding. . Gonna be an exciting summer. Coyrs!![/p][/quote]I think the bus will be travelling so fast next year we are all gonna have to Holdon tight!! Coyrs! St.David
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11:44am Fri 24 May 13

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Whitton wrote:
We should DEFINATELY not let go of Mayuka, yes, he is young and inexperienced but isn't likehalf of our club? I believe he has true potential to be a huge name in the future.
COYR
Agreed. Although some first-team players may have their places put under threat, I don't think we'll see too many of the first team or academy leaving. We need evolution NOT revolution.

Along with the players who didn't feature at all (or hardly at all), the obvious ones under threat are Fox and Guly.

However, IMO, the most important squad needs are a replacement for Chaplow in the middle, a speedy winger to replace De Ridder, a right back to replace Richardson and a goal poacher to replace Sharp. Even so, the 'new' Chaplow and Richardson are probably bench warmers. A world-class speedy winger and goal poacher with what we had last season could have got us close to the top 7.

After that, it depends which other signings could improve on the current first-team players such as the centre backs and the attacking midfielders (Lallana, Ramirez, Punch, JayRod, Davis, Guly).

The biggest riddle is at left back. Shaw (assuming he stays) is still young and Taggert is younger still but we don't want to block their development. So, for another season, we may need Fox (I agree with Wecoming4u, he's done okay, just isn't good enough for where we're going).
If we are serious about our stated aims then all signings should be for the first 11 with the dislodged players becoming the bench.
Agree. Need to buy to improve squad.
So, what you're both saying is that we either stick with our current full backs and central midfielders or we buy players who could immediately dislodge Shaw, Clyne, Cork or Schneiderlin.

Confused of Strasbourg!
I think what they're saying is that any players we buy should be better than the players we have. I don't think they want to buy anyone just for cover.
That's how I read it. Ergo, only buy a right back if he's better than Clyne. How does that work?

Okay, one to put pressure on Clyne in a way that Richardson or Butterfield, alas, aren't able to, but that's VERY different from finding and buying one who is better than Clyne.
I would buy to replace existing 11. To replace clyne would be a hell of a player but he's not our weakness, if injured we cover with cork. Could discuss all day weak points but for me to start with it would be the centre halves. Then next priority IMO is a goal scorer.
Absolutely. You buy to strengthen the team and the dislodged player moves to the bench.

So, for me, the guaranteed starters are Clyne, Shaw, Spiderman and Cork. You will not sign anyone any good to sit on the bench for a season so you might as well keep Fox and Richardson who are decent cover.

You buy a striker that pushes Jay Rod or Rickie to the bench. A top winger who may dislodge Punch and Adam to the bench and two CB's keeping Yoshida and Fonte as cover.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whitton[/bold] wrote: We should DEFINATELY not let go of Mayuka, yes, he is young and inexperienced but isn't likehalf of our club? I believe he has true potential to be a huge name in the future. COYR[/p][/quote]Agreed. Although some first-team players may have their places put under threat, I don't think we'll see too many of the first team or academy leaving. We need evolution NOT revolution. Along with the players who didn't feature at all (or hardly at all), the obvious ones under threat are Fox and Guly. However, IMO, the most important squad needs are a replacement for Chaplow in the middle, a speedy winger to replace De Ridder, a right back to replace Richardson and a goal poacher to replace Sharp. Even so, the 'new' Chaplow and Richardson are probably bench warmers. A world-class speedy winger and goal poacher with what we had last season could have got us close to the top 7. After that, it depends which other signings could improve on the current first-team players such as the centre backs and the attacking midfielders (Lallana, Ramirez, Punch, JayRod, Davis, Guly). The biggest riddle is at left back. Shaw (assuming he stays) is still young and Taggert is younger still but we don't want to block their development. So, for another season, we may need Fox (I agree with Wecoming4u, he's done okay, just isn't good enough for where we're going).[/p][/quote]If we are serious about our stated aims then all signings should be for the first 11 with the dislodged players becoming the bench.[/p][/quote]Agree. Need to buy to improve squad.[/p][/quote]So, what you're both saying is that we either stick with our current full backs and central midfielders or we buy players who could immediately dislodge Shaw, Clyne, Cork or Schneiderlin. Confused of Strasbourg![/p][/quote]I think what they're saying is that any players we buy should be better than the players we have. I don't think they want to buy anyone just for cover.[/p][/quote]That's how I read it. Ergo, only buy a right back if he's better than Clyne. How does that work? Okay, one to put pressure on Clyne in a way that Richardson or Butterfield, alas, aren't able to, but that's VERY different from finding and buying one who is better than Clyne.[/p][/quote]I would buy to replace existing 11. To replace clyne would be a hell of a player but he's not our weakness, if injured we cover with cork. Could discuss all day weak points but for me to start with it would be the centre halves. Then next priority IMO is a goal scorer.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. You buy to strengthen the team and the dislodged player moves to the bench. So, for me, the guaranteed starters are Clyne, Shaw, Spiderman and Cork. You will not sign anyone any good to sit on the bench for a season so you might as well keep Fox and Richardson who are decent cover. You buy a striker that pushes Jay Rod or Rickie to the bench. A top winger who may dislodge Punch and Adam to the bench and two CB's keeping Yoshida and Fonte as cover. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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11:47am Fri 24 May 13

St.Winch70 says...

george chivers wrote:
Once we've had the clear out let's hope we can make some better signings this season compared to last season.

Ramirez, not value for money at £12m
J-Rod, goodish but still not a £9m player
Mayuka, poor value at £4m
Forren, poor so far at £3m
Gazzanigger, worrying at £3m

Total £31m

Free transfers

Clyne, Superb
Davis, very good squad player
Boruc, slow start, now very good

The frees were on the whole were better signings.

Hope we get better value for money next season.
A bit of a short sighted post. Most of those players you mention were bought with development in mind. I don't think you can accurately judge them all after one season in the premiership.
JRod next season will be excellent, Davis will offer solid back up in the middle for the other CMs, Ramirez will find his feet and integrate further with more talent that's added to the squad, Gazza one for the future and will be fine as he matures, Mayuka will be a good impact option, Clyne will remain outstanding as will Boruc, Let's wait on Forren before we judge.

All things considered, a good mixture of youth and experience - lots to look forward to...if you let yourself ;-)
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Once we've had the clear out let's hope we can make some better signings this season compared to last season. Ramirez, not value for money at £12m J-Rod, goodish but still not a £9m player Mayuka, poor value at £4m Forren, poor so far at £3m Gazzanigger, worrying at £3m Total £31m Free transfers Clyne, Superb Davis, very good squad player Boruc, slow start, now very good The frees were on the whole were better signings. Hope we get better value for money next season.[/p][/quote]A bit of a short sighted post. Most of those players you mention were bought with development in mind. I don't think you can accurately judge them all after one season in the premiership. JRod next season will be excellent, Davis will offer solid back up in the middle for the other CMs, Ramirez will find his feet and integrate further with more talent that's added to the squad, Gazza one for the future and will be fine as he matures, Mayuka will be a good impact option, Clyne will remain outstanding as will Boruc, Let's wait on Forren before we judge. All things considered, a good mixture of youth and experience - lots to look forward to...if you let yourself ;-) St.Winch70
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11:48am Fri 24 May 13

TEBOURBA says...

We must trust Cortese' choice of manager MP, to make the right decisions, on who to dump and who to sign
Next season MP will be starting from scratch and then we will be able to show us just how good he really is.
I hope I'm wrong but the signs aren't that good, in his last 12 games of this season MP won one point fewer than Nigel did in his last 12 games, before Cortese chopped him!
If they rolled Artur, Kevin and Gazza in to one, they wouldn't get a PL quality goalkeeper, A is a stop gap signing, K is over the hill and G is too inexperienced.
The signing of a quality goalkeeper was a priority last summer and IMO still is.
We must trust Cortese' choice of manager MP, to make the right decisions, on who to dump and who to sign Next season MP will be starting from scratch and then we will be able to show us just how good he really is. I hope I'm wrong but the signs aren't that good, in his last 12 games of this season MP won one point fewer than Nigel did in his last 12 games, before Cortese chopped him! If they rolled Artur, Kevin and Gazza in to one, they wouldn't get a PL quality goalkeeper, A is a stop gap signing, K is over the hill and G is too inexperienced. The signing of a quality goalkeeper was a priority last summer and IMO still is. TEBOURBA
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11:49am Fri 24 May 13

Clever Dick says...

Confucious wrote:
We can all speculate, but at the end of the day, what's practical depends upon the market for players, their marketability and of course the prices they can strike. The p!ss poor FA system is to blame for all the uncertainty and for these things dragging on for weeks. My own view is that it should all be done in a single week.

All the potentially available players should be taken by coach to a big market at the NEC in Birmingham and put in pens for assessment pre-auction.

They could then be auctioned to the highest bidder - with of course a "reserve price", below which they wouldn't be sold.

The only problem I can see is that they all have so many tattoos that it would be difficult to mark or number them with blue ink, so they would have to have a number clipped to their ears (using strong clothes pegs and not pierced attachments). Obviously this would demand they refrain from using massive headphones whilst in the pens.

All the interested parties could then bid for players after they are paraded round the auction ring.

I know there will be some idiots on here who will say things like "Fox and Guly could go into Tesco's pies if they aren't bid for." - but hey ho, there are always some who just can't engage in these matters seriously.
Another classic final sentence.:-)
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: We can all speculate, but at the end of the day, what's practical depends upon the market for players, their marketability and of course the prices they can strike. The p!ss poor FA system is to blame for all the uncertainty and for these things dragging on for weeks. My own view is that it should all be done in a single week. All the potentially available players should be taken by coach to a big market at the NEC in Birmingham and put in pens for assessment pre-auction. They could then be auctioned to the highest bidder - with of course a "reserve price", below which they wouldn't be sold. The only problem I can see is that they all have so many tattoos that it would be difficult to mark or number them with blue ink, so they would have to have a number clipped to their ears (using strong clothes pegs and not pierced attachments). Obviously this would demand they refrain from using massive headphones whilst in the pens. All the interested parties could then bid for players after they are paraded round the auction ring. I know there will be some idiots on here who will say things like "Fox and Guly could go into Tesco's pies if they aren't bid for." - but hey ho, there are always some who just can't engage in these matters seriously.[/p][/quote]Another classic final sentence.:-) Clever Dick
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11:57am Fri 24 May 13

DisplacedFan says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
adamello wrote:
Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
I cannot believe how excited we were to be signing De Ridder and Lee... I know Lee got injured but De Ridder, what a huge flop on an epic scale. I think we will get rid of Davis, Guly (not knocking the guy), Richardson and I also wouldn't be surprised to see Fonte or Jos put on the list. That again is me not saying they are bad, but if MP wants us to be challenging for top 10 I think he will be ruthless
Which Davis?
I think Steven... As I said I am not judging him because I think he is ok but I think MP will sign a CM and spend a decent amount so Morgan and Jack will be ok but think Steve won't be
Why did the woman cross the road?
Who gives a fcuk what was she doing out of the kitchen!
That kind of comment belongs to a skunt.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sally Hamilton Original[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adamello[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sally Hamilton Original[/bold] wrote: I cannot believe how excited we were to be signing De Ridder and Lee... I know Lee got injured but De Ridder, what a huge flop on an epic scale. I think we will get rid of Davis, Guly (not knocking the guy), Richardson and I also wouldn't be surprised to see Fonte or Jos put on the list. That again is me not saying they are bad, but if MP wants us to be challenging for top 10 I think he will be ruthless[/p][/quote]Which Davis?[/p][/quote]I think Steven... As I said I am not judging him because I think he is ok but I think MP will sign a CM and spend a decent amount so Morgan and Jack will be ok but think Steve won't be[/p][/quote]Why did the woman cross the road? Who gives a fcuk what was she doing out of the kitchen![/p][/quote]That kind of comment belongs to a skunt. DisplacedFan
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11:58am Fri 24 May 13

Confucious says...

I think Poch's translator should be moved on and we should go for an English person who can speak Spanish rather than vice versa. This season's translator lacked pace and made too many simple errors eg: when Poch said in Spanish that 'appiness was important in the dressing room, the translator told a national TV audience that he said "A pen!s is important in the dressing room."
I think Poch's translator should be moved on and we should go for an English person who can speak Spanish rather than vice versa. This season's translator lacked pace and made too many simple errors eg: when Poch said in Spanish that 'appiness was important in the dressing room, the translator told a national TV audience that he said "A pen!s is important in the dressing room." Confucious
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12:04pm Fri 24 May 13

St Retford says...

george chivers wrote:
Once we've had the clear out let's hope we can make some better signings this season compared to last season. Ramirez, not value for money at £12m J-Rod, goodish but still not a £9m player Mayuka, poor value at £4m Forren, poor so far at £3m Gazzanigger, worrying at £3m Total £31m Free transfers Clyne, Superb Davis, very good squad player Boruc, slow start, now very good The frees were on the whole were better signings. Hope we get better value for money next season.
Gazza what?
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Once we've had the clear out let's hope we can make some better signings this season compared to last season. Ramirez, not value for money at £12m J-Rod, goodish but still not a £9m player Mayuka, poor value at £4m Forren, poor so far at £3m Gazzanigger, worrying at £3m Total £31m Free transfers Clyne, Superb Davis, very good squad player Boruc, slow start, now very good The frees were on the whole were better signings. Hope we get better value for money next season.[/p][/quote]Gazza what? St Retford
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12:08pm Fri 24 May 13

willygetaway says...

batesieboy wrote:
allsaintsnocurves wrote:
I think we should let these decisions up to MP and Cortese...so far I can't argue with any of the decisions made. I know we all have opinions and like to speculate on these things but unless you train with the players day in day out and know their attitude and how they contribute to the squad as a whole it is impossible to speculate on who should stay or go.
OK. But is it alright if we just chat a bit while this happens?
i like both of these posts lol : )
[quote][p][bold]batesieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: I think we should let these decisions up to MP and Cortese...so far I can't argue with any of the decisions made. I know we all have opinions and like to speculate on these things but unless you train with the players day in day out and know their attitude and how they contribute to the squad as a whole it is impossible to speculate on who should stay or go.[/p][/quote]OK. But is it alright if we just chat a bit while this happens?[/p][/quote]i like both of these posts lol : ) willygetaway
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12:09pm Fri 24 May 13

willygetaway says...

Confucious wrote:
I think Poch's translator should be moved on and we should go for an English person who can speak Spanish rather than vice versa. This season's translator lacked pace and made too many simple errors eg: when Poch said in Spanish that 'appiness was important in the dressing room, the translator told a national TV audience that he said "A pen!s is important in the dressing room."
ka ?
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: I think Poch's translator should be moved on and we should go for an English person who can speak Spanish rather than vice versa. This season's translator lacked pace and made too many simple errors eg: when Poch said in Spanish that 'appiness was important in the dressing room, the translator told a national TV audience that he said "A pen!s is important in the dressing room."[/p][/quote]ka ? willygetaway
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12:14pm Fri 24 May 13

willygetaway says...

REDARMYRULETHESOUTH wrote:
This thread highlights how well the Team did throughout the Season and how we have been :

SAINTS -LITE

with regard to a Premiership Squad.

Once we have had a clear-out - it will be readily apparent how few Premiership Players we have.

Although he did not set the Premiership alight - we did miss the impact and option of Gaston after his red card.

It was easy in League One and the Championship to buy who we wanted and make progress.

The biggest Challenge to MP and NC are securing TOP QUALITY Signings.

We have the AMBITION - we have GOOD FINANCIAL CLOUT - now we must secure those signings and fill our Squad if we want to FIGHT on more than one front in the CUP COMPETITIONS.

WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON.

RED ARMY 2013. WE FIGHT.WE WIN. COYR
Nice to see you back with us, its a long walk up the hill from the station ; )
[quote][p][bold]REDARMYRULETHESOUTH[/bold] wrote: This thread highlights how well the Team did throughout the Season and how we have been : SAINTS -LITE with regard to a Premiership Squad. Once we have had a clear-out - it will be readily apparent how few Premiership Players we have. Although he did not set the Premiership alight - we did miss the impact and option of Gaston after his red card. It was easy in League One and the Championship to buy who we wanted and make progress. The biggest Challenge to MP and NC are securing TOP QUALITY Signings. We have the AMBITION - we have GOOD FINANCIAL CLOUT - now we must secure those signings and fill our Squad if we want to FIGHT on more than one front in the CUP COMPETITIONS. WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON. RED ARMY 2013. WE FIGHT.WE WIN. COYR[/p][/quote]Nice to see you back with us, its a long walk up the hill from the station ; ) willygetaway
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12:27pm Fri 24 May 13

saintmicky says...

PokerSaint wrote:
shaw will be sold to chelski in a swap deal for Romelu Lukaku. you heard it here 1st!!!!!
If we were to lose Luke, gaining Lukaku would definitely soften the blow!
Mind you we would have to spend big to replace Luke. Fox cannot fulfill the role, not because he is a bad player, but the system we play allowing both the full backs and wingers to push high up the field, incredible pace is required in the full back position; bring on Clyne/Shaw. It may be more viable to spend at left mid on real pace to protect the left back? Thoughts of a casual observer only, not someone who thinks they know better than anyone else!
[quote][p][bold]PokerSaint[/bold] wrote: shaw will be sold to chelski in a swap deal for Romelu Lukaku. you heard it here 1st!!!!![/p][/quote]If we were to lose Luke, gaining Lukaku would definitely soften the blow! Mind you we would have to spend big to replace Luke. Fox cannot fulfill the role, not because he is a bad player, but the system we play allowing both the full backs and wingers to push high up the field, incredible pace is required in the full back position; bring on Clyne/Shaw. It may be more viable to spend at left mid on real pace to protect the left back? Thoughts of a casual observer only, not someone who thinks they know better than anyone else! saintmicky
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12:31pm Fri 24 May 13

allsaintsnocurves says...

willygetaway wrote:
batesieboy wrote:
allsaintsnocurves wrote:
I think we should let these decisions up to MP and Cortese...so far I can't argue with any of the decisions made. I know we all have opinions and like to speculate on these things but unless you train with the players day in day out and know their attitude and how they contribute to the squad as a whole it is impossible to speculate on who should stay or go.
OK. But is it alright if we just chat a bit while this happens?
i like both of these posts lol : )
Ok lets talk. :)

What do we think Cortese's target is next season for the club? He always said the club would spend whatever money was necessary to realistically hit the targets set. If this is top 8 next year then we need to be spending at least £20m to strengthen the squad?

It is possible to get hidden gems in midfield on the cheap like Michu for £2m but in my view if you need a proven forward you will have to pay £10m plus. Saints need another forward in case Ricky gets injured we can't rely on him for goals and Jay Rod is still young and Mayuka is not suddenly going to be a 15 goal a season striker.

Spider and Cork have been great this season and I've been impressed with Davis who has played better than Ramirez in my view...that said other than Ward-Prowse who else can play in the middle?
[quote][p][bold]willygetaway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]batesieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: I think we should let these decisions up to MP and Cortese...so far I can't argue with any of the decisions made. I know we all have opinions and like to speculate on these things but unless you train with the players day in day out and know their attitude and how they contribute to the squad as a whole it is impossible to speculate on who should stay or go.[/p][/quote]OK. But is it alright if we just chat a bit while this happens?[/p][/quote]i like both of these posts lol : )[/p][/quote]Ok lets talk. :) What do we think Cortese's target is next season for the club? He always said the club would spend whatever money was necessary to realistically hit the targets set. If this is top 8 next year then we need to be spending at least £20m to strengthen the squad? It is possible to get hidden gems in midfield on the cheap like Michu for £2m but in my view if you need a proven forward you will have to pay £10m plus. Saints need another forward in case Ricky gets injured we can't rely on him for goals and Jay Rod is still young and Mayuka is not suddenly going to be a 15 goal a season striker. Spider and Cork have been great this season and I've been impressed with Davis who has played better than Ramirez in my view...that said other than Ward-Prowse who else can play in the middle? allsaintsnocurves
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12:33pm Fri 24 May 13

red/whitearmy says...

Get rid of Fox and Guly. And please can we return to our famous RED N WHITE striped shirts for new season. Not the liverpool/mancs looking shirt.
Get rid of Fox and Guly. And please can we return to our famous RED N WHITE striped shirts for new season. Not the liverpool/mancs looking shirt. red/whitearmy
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12:38pm Fri 24 May 13

White and red till dead says...

red/whitearmy wrote:
Get rid of Fox and Guly. And please can we return to our famous RED N WHITE striped shirts for new season. Not the liverpool/mancs looking shirt.
Interesting that some posters are clearing out more than half the entire squad. Who will we have for backup, eh lads?

And yes - please, Mr Cortese, please may we have our stripes back?
[quote][p][bold]red/whitearmy[/bold] wrote: Get rid of Fox and Guly. And please can we return to our famous RED N WHITE striped shirts for new season. Not the liverpool/mancs looking shirt.[/p][/quote]Interesting that some posters are clearing out more than half the entire squad. Who will we have for backup, eh lads? And yes - please, Mr Cortese, please may we have our stripes back? White and red till dead
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12:38pm Fri 24 May 13

Chriops says...

PokerSaint wrote:
shaw will be sold to chelski in a swap deal for Romelu Lukaku. you heard it here 1st!!!!!
I think this is more wishful thinking than anything else. If it did happen it would probably cost us a few quid as well, but I seriously doubt NC would want to loose any of his preferred kids without a fight.
[quote][p][bold]PokerSaint[/bold] wrote: shaw will be sold to chelski in a swap deal for Romelu Lukaku. you heard it here 1st!!!!![/p][/quote]I think this is more wishful thinking than anything else. If it did happen it would probably cost us a few quid as well, but I seriously doubt NC would want to loose any of his preferred kids without a fight. Chriops
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12:45pm Fri 24 May 13

ghk230473 says...

DisplacedFan wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
adamello wrote:
Sally Hamilton Original wrote:
I cannot believe how excited we were to be signing De Ridder and Lee... I know Lee got injured but De Ridder, what a huge flop on an epic scale. I think we will get rid of Davis, Guly (not knocking the guy), Richardson and I also wouldn't be surprised to see Fonte or Jos put on the list. That again is me not saying they are bad, but if MP wants us to be challenging for top 10 I think he will be ruthless
Which Davis?
I think Steven... As I said I am not judging him because I think he is ok but I think MP will sign a CM and spend a decent amount so Morgan and Jack will be ok but think Steve won't be
Why did the woman cross the road?
Who gives a fcuk what was she doing out of the kitchen!
That kind of comment belongs to a skunt.
Lmao, a skunt would have said mum/sister bedroom!
Have a sense of humour
[quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sally Hamilton Original[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adamello[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sally Hamilton Original[/bold] wrote: I cannot believe how excited we were to be signing De Ridder and Lee... I know Lee got injured but De Ridder, what a huge flop on an epic scale. I think we will get rid of Davis, Guly (not knocking the guy), Richardson and I also wouldn't be surprised to see Fonte or Jos put on the list. That again is me not saying they are bad, but if MP wants us to be challenging for top 10 I think he will be ruthless[/p][/quote]Which Davis?[/p][/quote]I think Steven... As I said I am not judging him because I think he is ok but I think MP will sign a CM and spend a decent amount so Morgan and Jack will be ok but think Steve won't be[/p][/quote]Why did the woman cross the road? Who gives a fcuk what was she doing out of the kitchen![/p][/quote]That kind of comment belongs to a skunt.[/p][/quote]Lmao, a skunt would have said mum/sister bedroom! Have a sense of humour ghk230473
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12:47pm Fri 24 May 13

Chriops says...

Confucious wrote:
We should plan for the longer term. We should buy Messi and Casey Stoney (captain of the England women's football team) and then breed them.

We could also get our money back fast by putting Messi out to stud and/or selling his frozen sperm for £2m per thimblefull.
Hilarious!
Confucious wins best post of the day!
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: We should plan for the longer term. We should buy Messi and Casey Stoney (captain of the England women's football team) and then breed them. We could also get our money back fast by putting Messi out to stud and/or selling his frozen sperm for £2m per thimblefull.[/p][/quote]Hilarious! Confucious wins best post of the day! Chriops
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12:52pm Fri 24 May 13

saintlysoul says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
Ganja Jungle wrote:
Fair enough agree with most listed above. Defence is priority then maybe a clinical finisher.

Quick question Who will make our kit now Umbro owned by Nike ?
I heard a rumour that we will be Adidas next season and back to Red and White stripes.
I hate to disappoint everyone (I was) but saints kit is not red and white stripes its all red!!!!!!! As for the away kit....!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ganja Jungle[/bold] wrote: Fair enough agree with most listed above. Defence is priority then maybe a clinical finisher. Quick question Who will make our kit now Umbro owned by Nike ?[/p][/quote]I heard a rumour that we will be Adidas next season and back to Red and White stripes.[/p][/quote]I hate to disappoint everyone (I was) but saints kit is not red and white stripes its all red!!!!!!! As for the away kit....!!!!!!!!! saintlysoul
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12:55pm Fri 24 May 13

SaintJD says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Puddletown Saint wrote:
A great thread today and agree with most posts. Lets say the 17/18 players mentioned all go that leaves a urrent first team squad of:

GK Boruc K Davis Gazza
RB Clyne .......
LB Shaw ........
CB Fonte Hoover Yos Forren
CM Spider Cork Davis JWP
ACM Adam Gaston ........
Winger Punch Maka .......
Strikers Rickie Jay ..........

So in short we need RB LB ACM Winger Striker and a few to step from the kids Targett Gape Sinclair Isgrove Seagar

We then need to improve in a couple of areas get a new CB with can let one go (Hoover) a CM (Davis).

So that is a possible 20 out and 7 in.
Holdon this bus could have many summer stops...............


.....

PS has anybody got the last three pinks........please
Holdon the bus? I hadn't realised the bus had a name. Is it an Aussie bus? Then it should surely be 'Holden' - with an E. :)

Meanwhile, I think you've pretty much nailed the needs.
I kind of wish people around the club hadn't made this silly 'top 4' comment.

I love ambition, but it makes you take a totally difference perspective on the team.

I've been delighted with that remaining squad this season, but looking at it against our supposed new targets it looks very weak and in need of strengthening everywhere.

Saints, MP, NC, Terry Paine - can you just let us enjoy seeing our team established and playing good stuff in the Premier League for a few seasons so we can exceed expectations?

That way we won't get as many people moaning when we have the odd bad result.

Yep, if we over perform, great, but I'm more than happy with the direction we are heading and I don't want to see us do a QPR or Bradford and lose the soul of the team with expensive, over paid mercenaries.

My concern is that the only thing that will make players like Courtinho or Ramirez to pick us over a Liverpool or other established big name will be ridiculous wages, and that doesn't encourage hunger and determination.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: A great thread today and agree with most posts. Lets say the 17/18 players mentioned all go that leaves a urrent first team squad of: GK Boruc K Davis Gazza RB Clyne ....... LB Shaw ........ CB Fonte Hoover Yos Forren CM Spider Cork Davis JWP ACM Adam Gaston ........ Winger Punch Maka ....... Strikers Rickie Jay .......... So in short we need RB LB ACM Winger Striker and a few to step from the kids Targett Gape Sinclair Isgrove Seagar We then need to improve in a couple of areas get a new CB with can let one go (Hoover) a CM (Davis). So that is a possible 20 out and 7 in. Holdon this bus could have many summer stops............... ..... PS has anybody got the last three pinks........please[/p][/quote]Holdon the bus? I hadn't realised the bus had a name. Is it an Aussie bus? Then it should surely be 'Holden' - with an E. :) Meanwhile, I think you've pretty much nailed the needs.[/p][/quote]I kind of wish people around the club hadn't made this silly 'top 4' comment. I love ambition, but it makes you take a totally difference perspective on the team. I've been delighted with that remaining squad this season, but looking at it against our supposed new targets it looks very weak and in need of strengthening everywhere. Saints, MP, NC, Terry Paine - can you just let us enjoy seeing our team established and playing good stuff in the Premier League for a few seasons so we can exceed expectations? That way we won't get as many people moaning when we have the odd bad result. Yep, if we over perform, great, but I'm more than happy with the direction we are heading and I don't want to see us do a QPR or Bradford and lose the soul of the team with expensive, over paid mercenaries. My concern is that the only thing that will make players like Courtinho or Ramirez to pick us over a Liverpool or other established big name will be ridiculous wages, and that doesn't encourage hunger and determination. SaintJD
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1:04pm Fri 24 May 13

saintlysoul says...

There will be a lot of players off loaded during the summer. Reeves has definitely gone so has Hoskins.

I'm confident Shaw will stay. I don't think the club will sell him and moreover why would he want to move in football terms? He's not yet 18. He's in the first squad for a premier league side and he's already played in excess of 20 games a tremendous achievement. If he was to go to Chelsea, Arsenal etc he wouldn't be playing first team football. It would be a retrograde step in football terms. Moreover he's lots to learn. He's been caught out in the last few games especially against Spurs and Stoke. The club needs a new left back. Someone older with experience. Shaw will be a good second choice left back.

The club needs an out and out striker.

The clubs also needs to seriously re-think Adam Lallana's future. He had a poor season in the premier league that shows what a step up that league is. His last few games have been awful being regularly substituted. He cannot be continued to play with Punchoen on the bench. That's nonsense. Moreover Lallana is not a captain. A new captain needs to be appointed. My contenders would be Spider or Cork!

Finally I've heard that if JWP is not going to feature regularly in the team then he will be out on loan - two Championship clubs are showing interest. No prizes for guessing one of them!!!! X
There will be a lot of players off loaded during the summer. Reeves has definitely gone so has Hoskins. I'm confident Shaw will stay. I don't think the club will sell him and moreover why would he want to move in football terms? He's not yet 18. He's in the first squad for a premier league side and he's already played in excess of 20 games a tremendous achievement. If he was to go to Chelsea, Arsenal etc he wouldn't be playing first team football. It would be a retrograde step in football terms. Moreover he's lots to learn. He's been caught out in the last few games especially against Spurs and Stoke. The club needs a new left back. Someone older with experience. Shaw will be a good second choice left back. The club needs an out and out striker. The clubs also needs to seriously re-think Adam Lallana's future. He had a poor season in the premier league that shows what a step up that league is. His last few games have been awful being regularly substituted. He cannot be continued to play with Punchoen on the bench. That's nonsense. Moreover Lallana is not a captain. A new captain needs to be appointed. My contenders would be Spider or Cork! Finally I've heard that if JWP is not going to feature regularly in the team then he will be out on loan - two Championship clubs are showing interest. No prizes for guessing one of them!!!! X saintlysoul
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1:11pm Fri 24 May 13

St.Winch70 says...

SaintJD wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Puddletown Saint wrote:
A great thread today and agree with most posts. Lets say the 17/18 players mentioned all go that leaves a urrent first team squad of:

GK Boruc K Davis Gazza
RB Clyne .......
LB Shaw ........
CB Fonte Hoover Yos Forren
CM Spider Cork Davis JWP
ACM Adam Gaston ........
Winger Punch Maka .......
Strikers Rickie Jay ..........

So in short we need RB LB ACM Winger Striker and a few to step from the kids Targett Gape Sinclair Isgrove Seagar

We then need to improve in a couple of areas get a new CB with can let one go (Hoover) a CM (Davis).

So that is a possible 20 out and 7 in.
Holdon this bus could have many summer stops...............



.....

PS has anybody got the last three pinks........please
Holdon the bus? I hadn't realised the bus had a name. Is it an Aussie bus? Then it should surely be 'Holden' - with an E. :)

Meanwhile, I think you've pretty much nailed the needs.
I kind of wish people around the club hadn't made this silly 'top 4' comment.

I love ambition, but it makes you take a totally difference perspective on the team.

I've been delighted with that remaining squad this season, but looking at it against our supposed new targets it looks very weak and in need of strengthening everywhere.

Saints, MP, NC, Terry Paine - can you just let us enjoy seeing our team established and playing good stuff in the Premier League for a few seasons so we can exceed expectations?

That way we won't get as many people moaning when we have the odd bad result.

Yep, if we over perform, great, but I'm more than happy with the direction we are heading and I don't want to see us do a QPR or Bradford and lose the soul of the team with expensive, over paid mercenaries.

My concern is that the only thing that will make players like Courtinho or Ramirez to pick us over a Liverpool or other established big name will be ridiculous wages, and that doesn't encourage hunger and determination.
People will moan if we have a bad result regardless. Best way to attract good players is to demonstrate ambition.
You cite teams that splashed out top money on 'average' players for short term gain; that's not the methodology of our fine club - you'll see plenty of that in the transfer window from the likes of Stoke, West Ham, Cardiff and Hull.

Be ambitious and don't under-estimate the fact that most footballers want to be playing regularly in good teams, playing attractive football and challenge for trophies - this is what we are offering - don't let that frighten you, embrace it....
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: A great thread today and agree with most posts. Lets say the 17/18 players mentioned all go that leaves a urrent first team squad of: GK Boruc K Davis Gazza RB Clyne ....... LB Shaw ........ CB Fonte Hoover Yos Forren CM Spider Cork Davis JWP ACM Adam Gaston ........ Winger Punch Maka ....... Strikers Rickie Jay .......... So in short we need RB LB ACM Winger Striker and a few to step from the kids Targett Gape Sinclair Isgrove Seagar We then need to improve in a couple of areas get a new CB with can let one go (Hoover) a CM (Davis). So that is a possible 20 out and 7 in. Holdon this bus could have many summer stops............... ..... PS has anybody got the last three pinks........please[/p][/quote]Holdon the bus? I hadn't realised the bus had a name. Is it an Aussie bus? Then it should surely be 'Holden' - with an E. :) Meanwhile, I think you've pretty much nailed the needs.[/p][/quote]I kind of wish people around the club hadn't made this silly 'top 4' comment. I love ambition, but it makes you take a totally difference perspective on the team. I've been delighted with that remaining squad this season, but looking at it against our supposed new targets it looks very weak and in need of strengthening everywhere. Saints, MP, NC, Terry Paine - can you just let us enjoy seeing our team established and playing good stuff in the Premier League for a few seasons so we can exceed expectations? That way we won't get as many people moaning when we have the odd bad result. Yep, if we over perform, great, but I'm more than happy with the direction we are heading and I don't want to see us do a QPR or Bradford and lose the soul of the team with expensive, over paid mercenaries. My concern is that the only thing that will make players like Courtinho or Ramirez to pick us over a Liverpool or other established big name will be ridiculous wages, and that doesn't encourage hunger and determination.[/p][/quote]People will moan if we have a bad result regardless. Best way to attract good players is to demonstrate ambition. You cite teams that splashed out top money on 'average' players for short term gain; that's not the methodology of our fine club - you'll see plenty of that in the transfer window from the likes of Stoke, West Ham, Cardiff and Hull. Be ambitious and don't under-estimate the fact that most footballers want to be playing regularly in good teams, playing attractive football and challenge for trophies - this is what we are offering - don't let that frighten you, embrace it.... St.Winch70
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1:30pm Fri 24 May 13

Chriops says...

saintlysoul wrote:
There will be a lot of players off loaded during the summer. Reeves has definitely gone so has Hoskins.

I'm confident Shaw will stay. I don't think the club will sell him and moreover why would he want to move in football terms? He's not yet 18. He's in the first squad for a premier league side and he's already played in excess of 20 games a tremendous achievement. If he was to go to Chelsea, Arsenal etc he wouldn't be playing first team football. It would be a retrograde step in football terms. Moreover he's lots to learn. He's been caught out in the last few games especially against Spurs and Stoke. The club needs a new left back. Someone older with experience. Shaw will be a good second choice left back.

The club needs an out and out striker.

The clubs also needs to seriously re-think Adam Lallana's future. He had a poor season in the premier league that shows what a step up that league is. His last few games have been awful being regularly substituted. He cannot be continued to play with Punchoen on the bench. That's nonsense. Moreover Lallana is not a captain. A new captain needs to be appointed. My contenders would be Spider or Cork!

Finally I've heard that if JWP is not going to feature regularly in the team then he will be out on loan - two Championship clubs are showing interest. No prizes for guessing one of them!!!! X
Regarding Shaw I think that you're wrong Saintly... The problem with Shaw is that he is young, and needs experience to get better. The other problem is that Kids tend to be inconsistent - hence Alan Hanson's famous quote "you'll never win anything with kids!"

If the rumors are true, then Matty Target has a similar potential to Luke Shaw, and they play in a similar position (although I hear that Targett is slightly better going forward, and not quite so solid defensively). I expect that our cover for left back will come from Fox (he won't go anywhere unless someone offers cash for him) and Targett. My concern regarding Shaw is whether he is strong enough to play week in and week out, and the pressure that places on the shoulders of one so young. As for Shaw being a good second choice left back... Seriously? It isn't an ideal situation relying on Luke, but we will have to 'allow' these kids to grow if we are to have a large percentage of academy kids in our first team.

The first question NC and MoPo will be asking is 'where do we need strengthening?' When we have Shaw, Fox, and Targett (as well as Reeves who will probably go) do you think we'll spend more money on our left back?

As for Lallana, I don't think he has been that great this year, but he has also been a marked man and come in for some extremely rough tactics. Lets not forget he is playing at this level for the first time. I fully expect him to step up a level or two in the next season as he comes to terms with the task at hand. Overall however he has had a reasonable season, but look forward to him having more impact next year
[quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: There will be a lot of players off loaded during the summer. Reeves has definitely gone so has Hoskins. I'm confident Shaw will stay. I don't think the club will sell him and moreover why would he want to move in football terms? He's not yet 18. He's in the first squad for a premier league side and he's already played in excess of 20 games a tremendous achievement. If he was to go to Chelsea, Arsenal etc he wouldn't be playing first team football. It would be a retrograde step in football terms. Moreover he's lots to learn. He's been caught out in the last few games especially against Spurs and Stoke. The club needs a new left back. Someone older with experience. Shaw will be a good second choice left back. The club needs an out and out striker. The clubs also needs to seriously re-think Adam Lallana's future. He had a poor season in the premier league that shows what a step up that league is. His last few games have been awful being regularly substituted. He cannot be continued to play with Punchoen on the bench. That's nonsense. Moreover Lallana is not a captain. A new captain needs to be appointed. My contenders would be Spider or Cork! Finally I've heard that if JWP is not going to feature regularly in the team then he will be out on loan - two Championship clubs are showing interest. No prizes for guessing one of them!!!! X[/p][/quote]Regarding Shaw I think that you're wrong Saintly... The problem with Shaw is that he is young, and needs experience to get better. The other problem is that Kids tend to be inconsistent - hence Alan Hanson's famous quote "you'll never win anything with kids!" If the rumors are true, then Matty Target has a similar potential to Luke Shaw, and they play in a similar position (although I hear that Targett is slightly better going forward, and not quite so solid defensively). I expect that our cover for left back will come from Fox (he won't go anywhere unless someone offers cash for him) and Targett. My concern regarding Shaw is whether he is strong enough to play week in and week out, and the pressure that places on the shoulders of one so young. As for Shaw being a good second choice left back... Seriously? It isn't an ideal situation relying on Luke, but we will have to 'allow' these kids to grow if we are to have a large percentage of academy kids in our first team. The first question NC and MoPo will be asking is 'where do we need strengthening?' When we have Shaw, Fox, and Targett (as well as Reeves who will probably go) do you think we'll spend more money on our left back? As for Lallana, I don't think he has been that great this year, but he has also been a marked man and come in for some extremely rough tactics. Lets not forget he is playing at this level for the first time. I fully expect him to step up a level or two in the next season as he comes to terms with the task at hand. Overall however he has had a reasonable season, but look forward to him having more impact next year Chriops
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1:31pm Fri 24 May 13

st1halo says...

SaintJD wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Puddletown Saint wrote:
A great thread today and agree with most posts. Lets say the 17/18 players mentioned all go that leaves a urrent first team squad of:

GK Boruc K Davis Gazza
RB Clyne .......
LB Shaw ........
CB Fonte Hoover Yos Forren
CM Spider Cork Davis JWP
ACM Adam Gaston ........
Winger Punch Maka .......
Strikers Rickie Jay ..........

So in short we need RB LB ACM Winger Striker and a few to step from the kids Targett Gape Sinclair Isgrove Seagar

We then need to improve in a couple of areas get a new CB with can let one go (Hoover) a CM (Davis).

So that is a possible 20 out and 7 in.
Holdon this bus could have many summer stops...............



.....

PS has anybody got the last three pinks........please
Holdon the bus? I hadn't realised the bus had a name. Is it an Aussie bus? Then it should surely be 'Holden' - with an E. :)

Meanwhile, I think you've pretty much nailed the needs.
I kind of wish people around the club hadn't made this silly 'top 4' comment.

I love ambition, but it makes you take a totally difference perspective on the team.

I've been delighted with that remaining squad this season, but looking at it against our supposed new targets it looks very weak and in need of strengthening everywhere.

Saints, MP, NC, Terry Paine - can you just let us enjoy seeing our team established and playing good stuff in the Premier League for a few seasons so we can exceed expectations?

That way we won't get as many people moaning when we have the odd bad result.

Yep, if we over perform, great, but I'm more than happy with the direction we are heading and I don't want to see us do a QPR or Bradford and lose the soul of the team with expensive, over paid mercenaries.

My concern is that the only thing that will make players like Courtinho or Ramirez to pick us over a Liverpool or other established big name will be ridiculous wages, and that doesn't encourage hunger and determination.
Just because you set your ambitions high, doesn't mean you don't have your feet on the ground.
Our plan for a quick return to Premier League football was regarded as unrealistic once upon a time.

WTFILN.

STID
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: A great thread today and agree with most posts. Lets say the 17/18 players mentioned all go that leaves a urrent first team squad of: GK Boruc K Davis Gazza RB Clyne ....... LB Shaw ........ CB Fonte Hoover Yos Forren CM Spider Cork Davis JWP ACM Adam Gaston ........ Winger Punch Maka ....... Strikers Rickie Jay .......... So in short we need RB LB ACM Winger Striker and a few to step from the kids Targett Gape Sinclair Isgrove Seagar We then need to improve in a couple of areas get a new CB with can let one go (Hoover) a CM (Davis). So that is a possible 20 out and 7 in. Holdon this bus could have many summer stops............... ..... PS has anybody got the last three pinks........please[/p][/quote]Holdon the bus? I hadn't realised the bus had a name. Is it an Aussie bus? Then it should surely be 'Holden' - with an E. :) Meanwhile, I think you've pretty much nailed the needs.[/p][/quote]I kind of wish people around the club hadn't made this silly 'top 4' comment. I love ambition, but it makes you take a totally difference perspective on the team. I've been delighted with that remaining squad this season, but looking at it against our supposed new targets it looks very weak and in need of strengthening everywhere. Saints, MP, NC, Terry Paine - can you just let us enjoy seeing our team established and playing good stuff in the Premier League for a few seasons so we can exceed expectations? That way we won't get as many people moaning when we have the odd bad result. Yep, if we over perform, great, but I'm more than happy with the direction we are heading and I don't want to see us do a QPR or Bradford and lose the soul of the team with expensive, over paid mercenaries. My concern is that the only thing that will make players like Courtinho or Ramirez to pick us over a Liverpool or other established big name will be ridiculous wages, and that doesn't encourage hunger and determination.[/p][/quote]Just because you set your ambitions high, doesn't mean you don't have your feet on the ground. Our plan for a quick return to Premier League football was regarded as unrealistic once upon a time. WTFILN. STID st1halo
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1:36pm Fri 24 May 13

Stroppy_gramps says...

After the impact he has had this season, I wouldn't drop Shaw to the bench - I would look at providing a bit more cover in front of him.
That lad is dynamite and he's growing with every game, need to keep that going.

Not sure why anyone thinks Fox is worth keeping - his tactical decisions have been very poor resulting in at least three goals that I'm aware of.

Goal keeper.... I think Boruc has improved massively and he has certainly pulled off some amazing saves. I also like that he tends to get a hold of the ball rather than slap it away. Gazzaniga might be for the future - possibly he needs to go on loan somewhere to get some game time. Davis brings a lot of experience but that does not necessarily mean he's right for the Premier League - I think that it's time he moved on so that another club can benefit from his experience.
But I don't really know who we get in to replace at GK.

Up front we definitely need a scavenger who will keep the opposition defence unsettled by runs off the ball and general hanging around of the goal to snap up any spilled balls or rebounds.
Our strikers need to be a bit more clinical in the finish as well.
Lala was really improving until he picked up that injury - Not sure what to do with him, maybe he's definitely a squad player rather than a first pick.
After the impact he has had this season, I wouldn't drop Shaw to the bench - I would look at providing a bit more cover in front of him. That lad is dynamite and he's growing with every game, need to keep that going. Not sure why anyone thinks Fox is worth keeping - his tactical decisions have been very poor resulting in at least three goals that I'm aware of. Goal keeper.... I think Boruc has improved massively and he has certainly pulled off some amazing saves. I also like that he tends to get a hold of the ball rather than slap it away. Gazzaniga might be for the future - possibly he needs to go on loan somewhere to get some game time. Davis brings a lot of experience but that does not necessarily mean he's right for the Premier League - I think that it's time he moved on so that another club can benefit from his experience. But I don't really know who we get in to replace at GK. Up front we definitely need a scavenger who will keep the opposition defence unsettled by runs off the ball and general hanging around of the goal to snap up any spilled balls or rebounds. Our strikers need to be a bit more clinical in the finish as well. Lala was really improving until he picked up that injury - Not sure what to do with him, maybe he's definitely a squad player rather than a first pick. Stroppy_gramps
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1:36pm Fri 24 May 13

st1halo says...

Confucious wrote:
We should plan for the longer term. We should buy Messi and Casey Stoney (captain of the England women's football team) and then breed them.

We could also get our money back fast by putting Messi out to stud and/or selling his frozen sperm for £2m per thimblefull.
I have visions of this going horribly wrong.

Lionel, not being happy with the contractual arangements, loses his cool and decides to scribble all over the agreement instead of signing.

HEADLINE:
Messi sperm in deface row.

STID
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: We should plan for the longer term. We should buy Messi and Casey Stoney (captain of the England women's football team) and then breed them. We could also get our money back fast by putting Messi out to stud and/or selling his frozen sperm for £2m per thimblefull.[/p][/quote]I have visions of this going horribly wrong. Lionel, not being happy with the contractual arangements, loses his cool and decides to scribble all over the agreement instead of signing. HEADLINE: Messi sperm in deface row. STID st1halo
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1:44pm Fri 24 May 13

SaintJD says...

st1halo wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Puddletown Saint wrote:
A great thread today and agree with most posts. Lets say the 17/18 players mentioned all go that leaves a urrent first team squad of:

GK Boruc K Davis Gazza
RB Clyne .......
LB Shaw ........
CB Fonte Hoover Yos Forren
CM Spider Cork Davis JWP
ACM Adam Gaston ........
Winger Punch Maka .......
Strikers Rickie Jay ..........

So in short we need RB LB ACM Winger Striker and a few to step from the kids Targett Gape Sinclair Isgrove Seagar

We then need to improve in a couple of areas get a new CB with can let one go (Hoover) a CM (Davis).

So that is a possible 20 out and 7 in.
Holdon this bus could have many summer stops...............




.....

PS has anybody got the last three pinks........please
Holdon the bus? I hadn't realised the bus had a name. Is it an Aussie bus? Then it should surely be 'Holden' - with an E. :)

Meanwhile, I think you've pretty much nailed the needs.
I kind of wish people around the club hadn't made this silly 'top 4' comment.

I love ambition, but it makes you take a totally difference perspective on the team.

I've been delighted with that remaining squad this season, but looking at it against our supposed new targets it looks very weak and in need of strengthening everywhere.

Saints, MP, NC, Terry Paine - can you just let us enjoy seeing our team established and playing good stuff in the Premier League for a few seasons so we can exceed expectations?

That way we won't get as many people moaning when we have the odd bad result.

Yep, if we over perform, great, but I'm more than happy with the direction we are heading and I don't want to see us do a QPR or Bradford and lose the soul of the team with expensive, over paid mercenaries.

My concern is that the only thing that will make players like Courtinho or Ramirez to pick us over a Liverpool or other established big name will be ridiculous wages, and that doesn't encourage hunger and determination.
Just because you set your ambitions high, doesn't mean you don't have your feet on the ground.
Our plan for a quick return to Premier League football was regarded as unrealistic once upon a time.

WTFILN.

STID
I'm ambitious, but aiming too high too fast causes nothing but discontent and puts unnecessary pressure on people.

The FA have never been allowed to forget their 'golden generation' comment for example.

Fans don't need an excuse to have over ambitious expectations, but personally I like to keep a level head - people with high expectations seem far, far quicker to become negative and pessimistic and start talking about people being sacked and dropped based on my experience of this site.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: A great thread today and agree with most posts. Lets say the 17/18 players mentioned all go that leaves a urrent first team squad of: GK Boruc K Davis Gazza RB Clyne ....... LB Shaw ........ CB Fonte Hoover Yos Forren CM Spider Cork Davis JWP ACM Adam Gaston ........ Winger Punch Maka ....... Strikers Rickie Jay .......... So in short we need RB LB ACM Winger Striker and a few to step from the kids Targett Gape Sinclair Isgrove Seagar We then need to improve in a couple of areas get a new CB with can let one go (Hoover) a CM (Davis). So that is a possible 20 out and 7 in. Holdon this bus could have many summer stops............... ..... PS has anybody got the last three pinks........please[/p][/quote]Holdon the bus? I hadn't realised the bus had a name. Is it an Aussie bus? Then it should surely be 'Holden' - with an E. :) Meanwhile, I think you've pretty much nailed the needs.[/p][/quote]I kind of wish people around the club hadn't made this silly 'top 4' comment. I love ambition, but it makes you take a totally difference perspective on the team. I've been delighted with that remaining squad this season, but looking at it against our supposed new targets it looks very weak and in need of strengthening everywhere. Saints, MP, NC, Terry Paine - can you just let us enjoy seeing our team established and playing good stuff in the Premier League for a few seasons so we can exceed expectations? That way we won't get as many people moaning when we have the odd bad result. Yep, if we over perform, great, but I'm more than happy with the direction we are heading and I don't want to see us do a QPR or Bradford and lose the soul of the team with expensive, over paid mercenaries. My concern is that the only thing that will make players like Courtinho or Ramirez to pick us over a Liverpool or other established big name will be ridiculous wages, and that doesn't encourage hunger and determination.[/p][/quote]Just because you set your ambitions high, doesn't mean you don't have your feet on the ground. Our plan for a quick return to Premier League football was regarded as unrealistic once upon a time. WTFILN. STID[/p][/quote]I'm ambitious, but aiming too high too fast causes nothing but discontent and puts unnecessary pressure on people. The FA have never been allowed to forget their 'golden generation' comment for example. Fans don't need an excuse to have over ambitious expectations, but personally I like to keep a level head - people with high expectations seem far, far quicker to become negative and pessimistic and start talking about people being sacked and dropped based on my experience of this site. SaintJD
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1:48pm Fri 24 May 13

Stroppy_gramps says...

SaintJD wrote:
st1halo wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Puddletown Saint wrote:
A great thread today and agree with most posts. Lets say the 17/18 players mentioned all go that leaves a urrent first team squad of:

GK Boruc K Davis Gazza
RB Clyne .......
LB Shaw ........
CB Fonte Hoover Yos Forren
CM Spider Cork Davis JWP
ACM Adam Gaston ........
Winger Punch Maka .......
Strikers Rickie Jay ..........

So in short we need RB LB ACM Winger Striker and a few to step from the kids Targett Gape Sinclair Isgrove Seagar

We then need to improve in a couple of areas get a new CB with can let one go (Hoover) a CM (Davis).

So that is a possible 20 out and 7 in.
Holdon this bus could have many summer stops...............





.....

PS has anybody got the last three pinks........please
Holdon the bus? I hadn't realised the bus had a name. Is it an Aussie bus? Then it should surely be 'Holden' - with an E. :)

Meanwhile, I think you've pretty much nailed the needs.
I kind of wish people around the club hadn't made this silly 'top 4' comment.

I love ambition, but it makes you take a totally difference perspective on the team.

I've been delighted with that remaining squad this season, but looking at it against our supposed new targets it looks very weak and in need of strengthening everywhere.

Saints, MP, NC, Terry Paine - can you just let us enjoy seeing our team established and playing good stuff in the Premier League for a few seasons so we can exceed expectations?

That way we won't get as many people moaning when we have the odd bad result.

Yep, if we over perform, great, but I'm more than happy with the direction we are heading and I don't want to see us do a QPR or Bradford and lose the soul of the team with expensive, over paid mercenaries.

My concern is that the only thing that will make players like Courtinho or Ramirez to pick us over a Liverpool or other established big name will be ridiculous wages, and that doesn't encourage hunger and determination.
Just because you set your ambitions high, doesn't mean you don't have your feet on the ground.
Our plan for a quick return to Premier League football was regarded as unrealistic once upon a time.

WTFILN.

STID
I'm ambitious, but aiming too high too fast causes nothing but discontent and puts unnecessary pressure on people.

The FA have never been allowed to forget their 'golden generation' comment for example.

Fans don't need an excuse to have over ambitious expectations, but personally I like to keep a level head - people with high expectations seem far, far quicker to become negative and pessimistic and start talking about people being sacked and dropped based on my experience of this site.
but it is absolutely right that the FA should never be allowed to forget that comment - it was stupid, ill thought out and simply untrue.

It is absolutely right that we aim for Europe, however we just need to accept that Europe might not happen right away. Nothing at all wrong with that.
Europe for one season is achievable, however I'm not interested in being there just once - I want us to be in contention for Europe every season.

Success is achieving something many times, not once in a blue moon.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: A great thread today and agree with most posts. Lets say the 17/18 players mentioned all go that leaves a urrent first team squad of: GK Boruc K Davis Gazza RB Clyne ....... LB Shaw ........ CB Fonte Hoover Yos Forren CM Spider Cork Davis JWP ACM Adam Gaston ........ Winger Punch Maka ....... Strikers Rickie Jay .......... So in short we need RB LB ACM Winger Striker and a few to step from the kids Targett Gape Sinclair Isgrove Seagar We then need to improve in a couple of areas get a new CB with can let one go (Hoover) a CM (Davis). So that is a possible 20 out and 7 in. Holdon this bus could have many summer stops............... ..... PS has anybody got the last three pinks........please[/p][/quote]Holdon the bus? I hadn't realised the bus had a name. Is it an Aussie bus? Then it should surely be 'Holden' - with an E. :) Meanwhile, I think you've pretty much nailed the needs.[/p][/quote]I kind of wish people around the club hadn't made this silly 'top 4' comment. I love ambition, but it makes you take a totally difference perspective on the team. I've been delighted with that remaining squad this season, but looking at it against our supposed new targets it looks very weak and in need of strengthening everywhere. Saints, MP, NC, Terry Paine - can you just let us enjoy seeing our team established and playing good stuff in the Premier League for a few seasons so we can exceed expectations? That way we won't get as many people moaning when we have the odd bad result. Yep, if we over perform, great, but I'm more than happy with the direction we are heading and I don't want to see us do a QPR or Bradford and lose the soul of the team with expensive, over paid mercenaries. My concern is that the only thing that will make players like Courtinho or Ramirez to pick us over a Liverpool or other established big name will be ridiculous wages, and that doesn't encourage hunger and determination.[/p][/quote]Just because you set your ambitions high, doesn't mean you don't have your feet on the ground. Our plan for a quick return to Premier League football was regarded as unrealistic once upon a time. WTFILN. STID[/p][/quote]I'm ambitious, but aiming too high too fast causes nothing but discontent and puts unnecessary pressure on people. The FA have never been allowed to forget their 'golden generation' comment for example. Fans don't need an excuse to have over ambitious expectations, but personally I like to keep a level head - people with high expectations seem far, far quicker to become negative and pessimistic and start talking about people being sacked and dropped based on my experience of this site.[/p][/quote]but it is absolutely right that the FA should never be allowed to forget that comment - it was stupid, ill thought out and simply untrue. It is absolutely right that we aim for Europe, however we just need to accept that Europe might not happen right away. Nothing at all wrong with that. Europe for one season is achievable, however I'm not interested in being there just once - I want us to be in contention for Europe every season. Success is achieving something many times, not once in a blue moon. Stroppy_gramps
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1:54pm Fri 24 May 13

saintlysoul says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
After the impact he has had this season, I wouldn't drop Shaw to the bench - I would look at providing a bit more cover in front of him.
That lad is dynamite and he's growing with every game, need to keep that going.

Not sure why anyone thinks Fox is worth keeping - his tactical decisions have been very poor resulting in at least three goals that I'm aware of.

Goal keeper.... I think Boruc has improved massively and he has certainly pulled off some amazing saves. I also like that he tends to get a hold of the ball rather than slap it away. Gazzaniga might be for the future - possibly he needs to go on loan somewhere to get some game time. Davis brings a lot of experience but that does not necessarily mean he's right for the Premier League - I think that it's time he moved on so that another club can benefit from his experience.
But I don't really know who we get in to replace at GK.

Up front we definitely need a scavenger who will keep the opposition defence unsettled by runs off the ball and general hanging around of the goal to snap up any spilled balls or rebounds.
Our strikers need to be a bit more clinical in the finish as well.
Lala was really improving until he picked up that injury - Not sure what to do with him, maybe he's definitely a squad player rather than a first pick.
This is what I struggle with. Fox makes mistakes and he's criticised Shaw makes mistakes and its ignored. Why? Shaw cost us the games at Wigan, Spurs and home against Stoke. He wanders around the pitch at times and is slow to get back. Of course he's a talent but nowhere near the likes of Baines at Everton or Gibbs at Arsenal. I take the point about his age and his development but if we want to succeed then we need a better left back. IMO Targett is actually better than Shaw!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: After the impact he has had this season, I wouldn't drop Shaw to the bench - I would look at providing a bit more cover in front of him. That lad is dynamite and he's growing with every game, need to keep that going. Not sure why anyone thinks Fox is worth keeping - his tactical decisions have been very poor resulting in at least three goals that I'm aware of. Goal keeper.... I think Boruc has improved massively and he has certainly pulled off some amazing saves. I also like that he tends to get a hold of the ball rather than slap it away. Gazzaniga might be for the future - possibly he needs to go on loan somewhere to get some game time. Davis brings a lot of experience but that does not necessarily mean he's right for the Premier League - I think that it's time he moved on so that another club can benefit from his experience. But I don't really know who we get in to replace at GK. Up front we definitely need a scavenger who will keep the opposition defence unsettled by runs off the ball and general hanging around of the goal to snap up any spilled balls or rebounds. Our strikers need to be a bit more clinical in the finish as well. Lala was really improving until he picked up that injury - Not sure what to do with him, maybe he's definitely a squad player rather than a first pick.[/p][/quote]This is what I struggle with. Fox makes mistakes and he's criticised Shaw makes mistakes and its ignored. Why? Shaw cost us the games at Wigan, Spurs and home against Stoke. He wanders around the pitch at times and is slow to get back. Of course he's a talent but nowhere near the likes of Baines at Everton or Gibbs at Arsenal. I take the point about his age and his development but if we want to succeed then we need a better left back. IMO Targett is actually better than Shaw!!!! saintlysoul
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2:05pm Fri 24 May 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

st1halo wrote:
Confucious wrote:
We should plan for the longer term. We should buy Messi and Casey Stoney (captain of the England women's football team) and then breed them.

We could also get our money back fast by putting Messi out to stud and/or selling his frozen sperm for £2m per thimblefull.
I have visions of this going horribly wrong.

Lionel, not being happy with the contractual arangements, loses his cool and decides to scribble all over the agreement instead of signing.

HEADLINE:
Messi sperm in deface row.

STID
At first, I thought this was a lot of c0ck and ball, but then I began to think, what if David Beckham's agent reads these comments? Maybe he would call David immediately and suggest a post-footy new way for him to cash in on his success.

Then I thought a little more, what if Beck's agent had already thought of it? Were those really tears streaming down his face in Paris when he left the pitch for the last time or had he discovered a more convenient way to fill the test tube, so to speak.

Then I got into paranoid mode; what if Beck's agent is Confucious?

Nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
urse!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: We should plan for the longer term. We should buy Messi and Casey Stoney (captain of the England women's football team) and then breed them. We could also get our money back fast by putting Messi out to stud and/or selling his frozen sperm for £2m per thimblefull.[/p][/quote]I have visions of this going horribly wrong. Lionel, not being happy with the contractual arangements, loses his cool and decides to scribble all over the agreement instead of signing. HEADLINE: Messi sperm in deface row. STID[/p][/quote]At first, I thought this was a lot of c0ck and ball, but then I began to think, what if David Beckham's agent reads these comments? Maybe he would call David immediately and suggest a post-footy new way for him to cash in on his success. Then I thought a little more, what if Beck's agent had already thought of it? Were those really tears streaming down his face in Paris when he left the pitch for the last time or had he discovered a more convenient way to fill the test tube, so to speak. Then I got into paranoid mode; what if Beck's agent is Confucious? Nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu urse!!!!!!!! Strasbourg Saint
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2:06pm Fri 24 May 13

saintkenny says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
We must trust Cortese' choice of manager MP, to make the right decisions, on who to dump and who to sign
Next season MP will be starting from scratch and then we will be able to show us just how good he really is.
I hope I'm wrong but the signs aren't that good, in his last 12 games of this season MP won one point fewer than Nigel did in his last 12 games, before Cortese chopped him!
If they rolled Artur, Kevin and Gazza in to one, they wouldn't get a PL quality goalkeeper, A is a stop gap signing, K is over the hill and G is too inexperienced.
The signing of a quality goalkeeper was a priority last summer and IMO still is.
But remember we had to nigel last season the same and was given a 37 million purse .and nigel got that wrong .not with the keeper but not getting some more defenders .had he done so he would of kept his job .It is thought nigel asked for more funds for the january transfer window .but the board decided that he had wasted enough so they made the decision to sack him and get a manager who could do better with top flight experience .but after the poor start mps objective was a rescue mission to get to 40 points as every club who lost the first 3 matches in history had been relegated.however hard the decision may have been it may well be worth 130. million .it is how mp spends the money he is given could decide his fate .but maurico is happy i think he will do well once he gets the players that works within is system , the future is bright red in white
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: We must trust Cortese' choice of manager MP, to make the right decisions, on who to dump and who to sign Next season MP will be starting from scratch and then we will be able to show us just how good he really is. I hope I'm wrong but the signs aren't that good, in his last 12 games of this season MP won one point fewer than Nigel did in his last 12 games, before Cortese chopped him! If they rolled Artur, Kevin and Gazza in to one, they wouldn't get a PL quality goalkeeper, A is a stop gap signing, K is over the hill and G is too inexperienced. The signing of a quality goalkeeper was a priority last summer and IMO still is.[/p][/quote]But remember we had to nigel last season the same and was given a 37 million purse .and nigel got that wrong .not with the keeper but not getting some more defenders .had he done so he would of kept his job .It is thought nigel asked for more funds for the january transfer window .but the board decided that he had wasted enough so they made the decision to sack him and get a manager who could do better with top flight experience .but after the poor start mps objective was a rescue mission to get to 40 points as every club who lost the first 3 matches in history had been relegated.however hard the decision may have been it may well be worth 130. million .it is how mp spends the money he is given could decide his fate .but maurico is happy i think he will do well once he gets the players that works within is system , the future is bright red in white saintkenny
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2:06pm Fri 24 May 13

manosussex says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Whitton wrote:
We should DEFINATELY not let go of Mayuka, yes, he is young and inexperienced but isn't likehalf of our club? I believe he has true potential to be a huge name in the future.
COYR
Agreed. Although some first-team players may have their places put under threat, I don't think we'll see too many of the first team or academy leaving. We need evolution NOT revolution.

Along with the players who didn't feature at all (or hardly at all), the obvious ones under threat are Fox and Guly.

However, IMO, the most important squad needs are a replacement for Chaplow in the middle, a speedy winger to replace De Ridder, a right back to replace Richardson and a goal poacher to replace Sharp. Even so, the 'new' Chaplow and Richardson are probably bench warmers. A world-class speedy winger and goal poacher with what we had last season could have got us close to the top 7.

After that, it depends which other signings could improve on the current first-team players such as the centre backs and the attacking midfielders (Lallana, Ramirez, Punch, JayRod, Davis, Guly).

The biggest riddle is at left back. Shaw (assuming he stays) is still young and Taggert is younger still but we don't want to block their development. So, for another season, we may need Fox (I agree with Wecoming4u, he's done okay, just isn't good enough for where we're going).
If we are serious about our stated aims then all signings should be for the first 11 with the dislodged players becoming the bench.
Agree. Need to buy to improve squad.
So, what you're both saying is that we either stick with our current full backs and central midfielders or we buy players who could immediately dislodge Shaw, Clyne, Cork or Schneiderlin.

Confused of Strasbourg!
I think what they're saying is that any players we buy should be better than the players we have. I don't think they want to buy anyone just for cover.
Totaly agree
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whitton[/bold] wrote: We should DEFINATELY not let go of Mayuka, yes, he is young and inexperienced but isn't likehalf of our club? I believe he has true potential to be a huge name in the future. COYR[/p][/quote]Agreed. Although some first-team players may have their places put under threat, I don't think we'll see too many of the first team or academy leaving. We need evolution NOT revolution. Along with the players who didn't feature at all (or hardly at all), the obvious ones under threat are Fox and Guly. However, IMO, the most important squad needs are a replacement for Chaplow in the middle, a speedy winger to replace De Ridder, a right back to replace Richardson and a goal poacher to replace Sharp. Even so, the 'new' Chaplow and Richardson are probably bench warmers. A world-class speedy winger and goal poacher with what we had last season could have got us close to the top 7. After that, it depends which other signings could improve on the current first-team players such as the centre backs and the attacking midfielders (Lallana, Ramirez, Punch, JayRod, Davis, Guly). The biggest riddle is at left back. Shaw (assuming he stays) is still young and Taggert is younger still but we don't want to block their development. So, for another season, we may need Fox (I agree with Wecoming4u, he's done okay, just isn't good enough for where we're going).[/p][/quote]If we are serious about our stated aims then all signings should be for the first 11 with the dislodged players becoming the bench.[/p][/quote]Agree. Need to buy to improve squad.[/p][/quote]So, what you're both saying is that we either stick with our current full backs and central midfielders or we buy players who could immediately dislodge Shaw, Clyne, Cork or Schneiderlin. Confused of Strasbourg![/p][/quote]I think what they're saying is that any players we buy should be better than the players we have. I don't think they want to buy anyone just for cover.[/p][/quote]Totaly agree manosussex
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2:09pm Fri 24 May 13

st1halo says...

SaintJD wrote:
st1halo wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Puddletown Saint wrote:
A great thread today and agree with most posts. Lets say the 17/18 players mentioned all go that leaves a urrent first team squad of:

GK Boruc K Davis Gazza
RB Clyne .......
LB Shaw ........
CB Fonte Hoover Yos Forren
CM Spider Cork Davis JWP
ACM Adam Gaston ........
Winger Punch Maka .......
Strikers Rickie Jay ..........

So in short we need RB LB ACM Winger Striker and a few to step from the kids Targett Gape Sinclair Isgrove Seagar

We then need to improve in a couple of areas get a new CB with can let one go (Hoover) a CM (Davis).

So that is a possible 20 out and 7 in.
Holdon this bus could have many summer stops...............





.....

PS has anybody got the last three pinks........please
Holdon the bus? I hadn't realised the bus had a name. Is it an Aussie bus? Then it should surely be 'Holden' - with an E. :)

Meanwhile, I think you've pretty much nailed the needs.
I kind of wish people around the club hadn't made this silly 'top 4' comment.

I love ambition, but it makes you take a totally difference perspective on the team.

I've been delighted with that remaining squad this season, but looking at it against our supposed new targets it looks very weak and in need of strengthening everywhere.

Saints, MP, NC, Terry Paine - can you just let us enjoy seeing our team established and playing good stuff in the Premier League for a few seasons so we can exceed expectations?

That way we won't get as many people moaning when we have the odd bad result.

Yep, if we over perform, great, but I'm more than happy with the direction we are heading and I don't want to see us do a QPR or Bradford and lose the soul of the team with expensive, over paid mercenaries.

My concern is that the only thing that will make players like Courtinho or Ramirez to pick us over a Liverpool or other established big name will be ridiculous wages, and that doesn't encourage hunger and determination.
Just because you set your ambitions high, doesn't mean you don't have your feet on the ground.
Our plan for a quick return to Premier League football was regarded as unrealistic once upon a time.

WTFILN.

STID
I'm ambitious, but aiming too high too fast causes nothing but discontent and puts unnecessary pressure on people.

The FA have never been allowed to forget their 'golden generation' comment for example.

Fans don't need an excuse to have over ambitious expectations, but personally I like to keep a level head - people with high expectations seem far, far quicker to become negative and pessimistic and start talking about people being sacked and dropped based on my experience of this site.
I appreciate what you're saying JD but it is not the Club's job to manage the expectations of the fans, suffice to lay out their hopes for the future.
I'd like to think that I try to keep things balanced in my posts on this site. My expectations are to enjoy the ride regardless of what we achieve, to hear the statements coming from SMS makes me proud and who knows? we may unsettle the big boys and surprise some people. I won't regard it as foolish or be disappointed if we fail because whatever happens, Saints blood runs though my veins so I don't have a choice in the matter other than to be content.


STID
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: A great thread today and agree with most posts. Lets say the 17/18 players mentioned all go that leaves a urrent first team squad of: GK Boruc K Davis Gazza RB Clyne ....... LB Shaw ........ CB Fonte Hoover Yos Forren CM Spider Cork Davis JWP ACM Adam Gaston ........ Winger Punch Maka ....... Strikers Rickie Jay .......... So in short we need RB LB ACM Winger Striker and a few to step from the kids Targett Gape Sinclair Isgrove Seagar We then need to improve in a couple of areas get a new CB with can let one go (Hoover) a CM (Davis). So that is a possible 20 out and 7 in. Holdon this bus could have many summer stops............... ..... PS has anybody got the last three pinks........please[/p][/quote]Holdon the bus? I hadn't realised the bus had a name. Is it an Aussie bus? Then it should surely be 'Holden' - with an E. :) Meanwhile, I think you've pretty much nailed the needs.[/p][/quote]I kind of wish people around the club hadn't made this silly 'top 4' comment. I love ambition, but it makes you take a totally difference perspective on the team. I've been delighted with that remaining squad this season, but looking at it against our supposed new targets it looks very weak and in need of strengthening everywhere. Saints, MP, NC, Terry Paine - can you just let us enjoy seeing our team established and playing good stuff in the Premier League for a few seasons so we can exceed expectations? That way we won't get as many people moaning when we have the odd bad result. Yep, if we over perform, great, but I'm more than happy with the direction we are heading and I don't want to see us do a QPR or Bradford and lose the soul of the team with expensive, over paid mercenaries. My concern is that the only thing that will make players like Courtinho or Ramirez to pick us over a Liverpool or other established big name will be ridiculous wages, and that doesn't encourage hunger and determination.[/p][/quote]Just because you set your ambitions high, doesn't mean you don't have your feet on the ground. Our plan for a quick return to Premier League football was regarded as unrealistic once upon a time. WTFILN. STID[/p][/quote]I'm ambitious, but aiming too high too fast causes nothing but discontent and puts unnecessary pressure on people. The FA have never been allowed to forget their 'golden generation' comment for example. Fans don't need an excuse to have over ambitious expectations, but personally I like to keep a level head - people with high expectations seem far, far quicker to become negative and pessimistic and start talking about people being sacked and dropped based on my experience of this site.[/p][/quote]I appreciate what you're saying JD but it is not the Club's job to manage the expectations of the fans, suffice to lay out their hopes for the future. I'd like to think that I try to keep things balanced in my posts on this site. My expectations are to enjoy the ride regardless of what we achieve, to hear the statements coming from SMS makes me proud and who knows? we may unsettle the big boys and surprise some people. I won't regard it as foolish or be disappointed if we fail because whatever happens, Saints blood runs though my veins so I don't have a choice in the matter other than to be content. STID st1halo
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2:13pm Fri 24 May 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

SaintJD wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Whitton wrote:
We should DEFINATELY not let go of Mayuka, yes, he is young and inexperienced but isn't likehalf of our club? I believe he has true potential to be a huge name in the future.
COYR
Agreed. Although some first-team players may have their places put under threat, I don't think we'll see too many of the first team or academy leaving. We need evolution NOT revolution.

Along with the players who didn't feature at all (or hardly at all), the obvious ones under threat are Fox and Guly.

However, IMO, the most important squad needs are a replacement for Chaplow in the middle, a speedy winger to replace De Ridder, a right back to replace Richardson and a goal poacher to replace Sharp. Even so, the 'new' Chaplow and Richardson are probably bench warmers. A world-class speedy winger and goal poacher with what we had last season could have got us close to the top 7.

After that, it depends which other signings could improve on the current first-team players such as the centre backs and the attacking midfielders (Lallana, Ramirez, Punch, JayRod, Davis, Guly).

The biggest riddle is at left back. Shaw (assuming he stays) is still young and Taggert is younger still but we don't want to block their development. So, for another season, we may need Fox (I agree with Wecoming4u, he's done okay, just isn't good enough for where we're going).
If we are serious about our stated aims then all signings should be for the first 11 with the dislodged players becoming the bench.
Agree. Need to buy to improve squad.
So, what you're both saying is that we either stick with our current full backs and central midfielders or we buy players who could immediately dislodge Shaw, Clyne, Cork or Schneiderlin.

Confused of Strasbourg!
I think what they're saying is that any players we buy should be better than the players we have. I don't think they want to buy anyone just for cover.
That's how I read it. Ergo, only buy a right back if he's better than Clyne. How does that work?

Okay, one to put pressure on Clyne in a way that Richardson or Butterfield, alas, aren't able to, but that's VERY different from finding and buying one who is better than Clyne.
I would buy to replace existing 11. To replace clyne would be a hell of a player but he's not our weakness, if injured we cover with cork. Could discuss all day weak points but for me to start with it would be the centre halves. Then next priority IMO is a goal scorer.
One good centre back and a goal scorer are the number one priority.
Let's face it - if we want any chance of keeping our best young players we have to virtually guarantee them first team football (within reason obviously and with the understanding they'll need a rest on occasion).

They simply have to be our first choice in their positions or why wouldn't they just warm the bench at Chelsea instead?

All in all a difficult balancing act for Saints if they are seriously ambitious this summer.

What marks Man Utd out against the others isn't just continuity it is squad unity - nobody grumbles about playing a bit part (bar Rooney maybe and he's being pushed out).

That's priceless and we had it to some extent this season. If you lose that ethic, you are in trouble.

If you have better players not getting a game you can get unrest and splits in the squad, so Ponch is going to have to choose players as much on their character as their ability.
Yep! I said much the same about 'character' in an earlier thread. The team building (which might well have been down to Nigel) over the past couple of seasons really helped. In short, the team became more than the sum of its parts; take that away and it's possible that some players' form could dip.

It's also why players like Kelvin Davis have been so valuable. Whatever we think of his on-pitch contribution, what he brings to the dressing room and training ground is huge.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whitton[/bold] wrote: We should DEFINATELY not let go of Mayuka, yes, he is young and inexperienced but isn't likehalf of our club? I believe he has true potential to be a huge name in the future. COYR[/p][/quote]Agreed. Although some first-team players may have their places put under threat, I don't think we'll see too many of the first team or academy leaving. We need evolution NOT revolution. Along with the players who didn't feature at all (or hardly at all), the obvious ones under threat are Fox and Guly. However, IMO, the most important squad needs are a replacement for Chaplow in the middle, a speedy winger to replace De Ridder, a right back to replace Richardson and a goal poacher to replace Sharp. Even so, the 'new' Chaplow and Richardson are probably bench warmers. A world-class speedy winger and goal poacher with what we had last season could have got us close to the top 7. After that, it depends which other signings could improve on the current first-team players such as the centre backs and the attacking midfielders (Lallana, Ramirez, Punch, JayRod, Davis, Guly). The biggest riddle is at left back. Shaw (assuming he stays) is still young and Taggert is younger still but we don't want to block their development. So, for another season, we may need Fox (I agree with Wecoming4u, he's done okay, just isn't good enough for where we're going).[/p][/quote]If we are serious about our stated aims then all signings should be for the first 11 with the dislodged players becoming the bench.[/p][/quote]Agree. Need to buy to improve squad.[/p][/quote]So, what you're both saying is that we either stick with our current full backs and central midfielders or we buy players who could immediately dislodge Shaw, Clyne, Cork or Schneiderlin. Confused of Strasbourg![/p][/quote]I think what they're saying is that any players we buy should be better than the players we have. I don't think they want to buy anyone just for cover.[/p][/quote]That's how I read it. Ergo, only buy a right back if he's better than Clyne. How does that work? Okay, one to put pressure on Clyne in a way that Richardson or Butterfield, alas, aren't able to, but that's VERY different from finding and buying one who is better than Clyne.[/p][/quote]I would buy to replace existing 11. To replace clyne would be a hell of a player but he's not our weakness, if injured we cover with cork. Could discuss all day weak points but for me to start with it would be the centre halves. Then next priority IMO is a goal scorer.[/p][/quote]One good centre back and a goal scorer are the number one priority.[/p][/quote]Let's face it - if we want any chance of keeping our best young players we have to virtually guarantee them first team football (within reason obviously and with the understanding they'll need a rest on occasion). They simply have to be our first choice in their positions or why wouldn't they just warm the bench at Chelsea instead? All in all a difficult balancing act for Saints if they are seriously ambitious this summer. What marks Man Utd out against the others isn't just continuity it is squad unity - nobody grumbles about playing a bit part (bar Rooney maybe and he's being pushed out). That's priceless and we had it to some extent this season. If you lose that ethic, you are in trouble. If you have better players not getting a game you can get unrest and splits in the squad, so Ponch is going to have to choose players as much on their character as their ability.[/p][/quote]Yep! I said much the same about 'character' in an earlier thread. The team building (which might well have been down to Nigel) over the past couple of seasons really helped. In short, the team became more than the sum of its parts; take that away and it's possible that some players' form could dip. It's also why players like Kelvin Davis have been so valuable. Whatever we think of his on-pitch contribution, what he brings to the dressing room and training ground is huge. Strasbourg Saint
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2:13pm Fri 24 May 13

st1halo says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Confucious wrote:
We should plan for the longer term. We should buy Messi and Casey Stoney (captain of the England women's football team) and then breed them.

We could also get our money back fast by putting Messi out to stud and/or selling his frozen sperm for £2m per thimblefull.
I have visions of this going horribly wrong.

Lionel, not being happy with the contractual arangements, loses his cool and decides to scribble all over the agreement instead of signing.

HEADLINE:
Messi sperm in deface row.

STID
At first, I thought this was a lot of c0ck and ball, but then I began to think, what if David Beckham's agent reads these comments? Maybe he would call David immediately and suggest a post-footy new way for him to cash in on his success.

Then I thought a little more, what if Beck's agent had already thought of it? Were those really tears streaming down his face in Paris when he left the pitch for the last time or had he discovered a more convenient way to fill the test tube, so to speak.

Then I got into paranoid mode; what if Beck's agent is Confucious?

Nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

urse!!!!!!!!
Stras, you didn't go a-puffing with Slugger last night did you?
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: We should plan for the longer term. We should buy Messi and Casey Stoney (captain of the England women's football team) and then breed them. We could also get our money back fast by putting Messi out to stud and/or selling his frozen sperm for £2m per thimblefull.[/p][/quote]I have visions of this going horribly wrong. Lionel, not being happy with the contractual arangements, loses his cool and decides to scribble all over the agreement instead of signing. HEADLINE: Messi sperm in deface row. STID[/p][/quote]At first, I thought this was a lot of c0ck and ball, but then I began to think, what if David Beckham's agent reads these comments? Maybe he would call David immediately and suggest a post-footy new way for him to cash in on his success. Then I thought a little more, what if Beck's agent had already thought of it? Were those really tears streaming down his face in Paris when he left the pitch for the last time or had he discovered a more convenient way to fill the test tube, so to speak. Then I got into paranoid mode; what if Beck's agent is Confucious? Nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu urse!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Stras, you didn't go a-puffing with Slugger last night did you? st1halo
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2:17pm Fri 24 May 13

st1halo says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Whitton wrote:
We should DEFINATELY not let go of Mayuka, yes, he is young and inexperienced but isn't likehalf of our club? I believe he has true potential to be a huge name in the future.
COYR
Agreed. Although some first-team players may have their places put under threat, I don't think we'll see too many of the first team or academy leaving. We need evolution NOT revolution.

Along with the players who didn't feature at all (or hardly at all), the obvious ones under threat are Fox and Guly.

However, IMO, the most important squad needs are a replacement for Chaplow in the middle, a speedy winger to replace De Ridder, a right back to replace Richardson and a goal poacher to replace Sharp. Even so, the 'new' Chaplow and Richardson are probably bench warmers. A world-class speedy winger and goal poacher with what we had last season could have got us close to the top 7.

After that, it depends which other signings could improve on the current first-team players such as the centre backs and the attacking midfielders (Lallana, Ramirez, Punch, JayRod, Davis, Guly).

The biggest riddle is at left back. Shaw (assuming he stays) is still young and Taggert is younger still but we don't want to block their development. So, for another season, we may need Fox (I agree with Wecoming4u, he's done okay, just isn't good enough for where we're going).
If we are serious about our stated aims then all signings should be for the first 11 with the dislodged players becoming the bench.
Agree. Need to buy to improve squad.
So, what you're both saying is that we either stick with our current full backs and central midfielders or we buy players who could immediately dislodge Shaw, Clyne, Cork or Schneiderlin.

Confused of Strasbourg!
I think what they're saying is that any players we buy should be better than the players we have. I don't think they want to buy anyone just for cover.
That's how I read it. Ergo, only buy a right back if he's better than Clyne. How does that work?

Okay, one to put pressure on Clyne in a way that Richardson or Butterfield, alas, aren't able to, but that's VERY different from finding and buying one who is better than Clyne.
I would buy to replace existing 11. To replace clyne would be a hell of a player but he's not our weakness, if injured we cover with cork. Could discuss all day weak points but for me to start with it would be the centre halves. Then next priority IMO is a goal scorer.
One good centre back and a goal scorer are the number one priority.
Let's face it - if we want any chance of keeping our best young players we have to virtually guarantee them first team football (within reason obviously and with the understanding they'll need a rest on occasion).

They simply have to be our first choice in their positions or why wouldn't they just warm the bench at Chelsea instead?

All in all a difficult balancing act for Saints if they are seriously ambitious this summer.

What marks Man Utd out against the others isn't just continuity it is squad unity - nobody grumbles about playing a bit part (bar Rooney maybe and he's being pushed out).

That's priceless and we had it to some extent this season. If you lose that ethic, you are in trouble.

If you have better players not getting a game you can get unrest and splits in the squad, so Ponch is going to have to choose players as much on their character as their ability.
Yep! I said much the same about 'character' in an earlier thread. The team building (which might well have been down to Nigel) over the past couple of seasons really helped. In short, the team became more than the sum of its parts; take that away and it's possible that some players' form could dip.

It's also why players like Kelvin Davis have been so valuable. Whatever we think of his on-pitch contribution, what he brings to the dressing room and training ground is huge.
I don't wanna know about the huge thing he brings to the dressing room!


OOOO Matron!

STID
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whitton[/bold] wrote: We should DEFINATELY not let go of Mayuka, yes, he is young and inexperienced but isn't likehalf of our club? I believe he has true potential to be a huge name in the future. COYR[/p][/quote]Agreed. Although some first-team players may have their places put under threat, I don't think we'll see too many of the first team or academy leaving. We need evolution NOT revolution. Along with the players who didn't feature at all (or hardly at all), the obvious ones under threat are Fox and Guly. However, IMO, the most important squad needs are a replacement for Chaplow in the middle, a speedy winger to replace De Ridder, a right back to replace Richardson and a goal poacher to replace Sharp. Even so, the 'new' Chaplow and Richardson are probably bench warmers. A world-class speedy winger and goal poacher with what we had last season could have got us close to the top 7. After that, it depends which other signings could improve on the current first-team players such as the centre backs and the attacking midfielders (Lallana, Ramirez, Punch, JayRod, Davis, Guly). The biggest riddle is at left back. Shaw (assuming he stays) is still young and Taggert is younger still but we don't want to block their development. So, for another season, we may need Fox (I agree with Wecoming4u, he's done okay, just isn't good enough for where we're going).[/p][/quote]If we are serious about our stated aims then all signings should be for the first 11 with the dislodged players becoming the bench.[/p][/quote]Agree. Need to buy to improve squad.[/p][/quote]So, what you're both saying is that we either stick with our current full backs and central midfielders or we buy players who could immediately dislodge Shaw, Clyne, Cork or Schneiderlin. Confused of Strasbourg![/p][/quote]I think what they're saying is that any players we buy should be better than the players we have. I don't think they want to buy anyone just for cover.[/p][/quote]That's how I read it. Ergo, only buy a right back if he's better than Clyne. How does that work? Okay, one to put pressure on Clyne in a way that Richardson or Butterfield, alas, aren't able to, but that's VERY different from finding and buying one who is better than Clyne.[/p][/quote]I would buy to replace existing 11. To replace clyne would be a hell of a player but he's not our weakness, if injured we cover with cork. Could discuss all day weak points but for me to start with it would be the centre halves. Then next priority IMO is a goal scorer.[/p][/quote]One good centre back and a goal scorer are the number one priority.[/p][/quote]Let's face it - if we want any chance of keeping our best young players we have to virtually guarantee them first team football (within reason obviously and with the understanding they'll need a rest on occasion). They simply have to be our first choice in their positions or why wouldn't they just warm the bench at Chelsea instead? All in all a difficult balancing act for Saints if they are seriously ambitious this summer. What marks Man Utd out against the others isn't just continuity it is squad unity - nobody grumbles about playing a bit part (bar Rooney maybe and he's being pushed out). That's priceless and we had it to some extent this season. If you lose that ethic, you are in trouble. If you have better players not getting a game you can get unrest and splits in the squad, so Ponch is going to have to choose players as much on their character as their ability.[/p][/quote]Yep! I said much the same about 'character' in an earlier thread. The team building (which might well have been down to Nigel) over the past couple of seasons really helped. In short, the team became more than the sum of its parts; take that away and it's possible that some players' form could dip. It's also why players like Kelvin Davis have been so valuable. Whatever we think of his on-pitch contribution, what he brings to the dressing room and training ground is huge.[/p][/quote]I don't wanna know about the huge thing he brings to the dressing room! OOOO Matron! STID st1halo
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2:18pm Fri 24 May 13

SiamSaint says...

Confucious wrote:
Some players will be nervy, but a big clear out is nothing new for Punch.
Genius!
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Some players will be nervy, but a big clear out is nothing new for Punch.[/p][/quote]Genius! SiamSaint
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2:24pm Fri 24 May 13

DisplacedFan says...

saintlysoul wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
After the impact he has had this season, I wouldn't drop Shaw to the bench - I would look at providing a bit more cover in front of him.
That lad is dynamite and he's growing with every game, need to keep that going.

Not sure why anyone thinks Fox is worth keeping - his tactical decisions have been very poor resulting in at least three goals that I'm aware of.

Goal keeper.... I think Boruc has improved massively and he has certainly pulled off some amazing saves. I also like that he tends to get a hold of the ball rather than slap it away. Gazzaniga might be for the future - possibly he needs to go on loan somewhere to get some game time. Davis brings a lot of experience but that does not necessarily mean he's right for the Premier League - I think that it's time he moved on so that another club can benefit from his experience.
But I don't really know who we get in to replace at GK.

Up front we definitely need a scavenger who will keep the opposition defence unsettled by runs off the ball and general hanging around of the goal to snap up any spilled balls or rebounds.
Our strikers need to be a bit more clinical in the finish as well.
Lala was really improving until he picked up that injury - Not sure what to do with him, maybe he's definitely a squad player rather than a first pick.
This is what I struggle with. Fox makes mistakes and he's criticised Shaw makes mistakes and its ignored. Why? Shaw cost us the games at Wigan, Spurs and home against Stoke. He wanders around the pitch at times and is slow to get back. Of course he's a talent but nowhere near the likes of Baines at Everton or Gibbs at Arsenal. I take the point about his age and his development but if we want to succeed then we need a better left back. IMO Targett is actually better than Shaw!!!!
I agree with some of this. Shaw has made mistakes, but he is learning. Fox should know better and yet continues to be out of position allowing them to score. How many times does Fox get to fix the same mistake ? He is not good enough if we are ambitious. If Luke is out and Fox comes in every team knows where to run. We cannot be that vulnerable and expect it won't cost us points.
[quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: After the impact he has had this season, I wouldn't drop Shaw to the bench - I would look at providing a bit more cover in front of him. That lad is dynamite and he's growing with every game, need to keep that going. Not sure why anyone thinks Fox is worth keeping - his tactical decisions have been very poor resulting in at least three goals that I'm aware of. Goal keeper.... I think Boruc has improved massively and he has certainly pulled off some amazing saves. I also like that he tends to get a hold of the ball rather than slap it away. Gazzaniga might be for the future - possibly he needs to go on loan somewhere to get some game time. Davis brings a lot of experience but that does not necessarily mean he's right for the Premier League - I think that it's time he moved on so that another club can benefit from his experience. But I don't really know who we get in to replace at GK. Up front we definitely need a scavenger who will keep the opposition defence unsettled by runs off the ball and general hanging around of the goal to snap up any spilled balls or rebounds. Our strikers need to be a bit more clinical in the finish as well. Lala was really improving until he picked up that injury - Not sure what to do with him, maybe he's definitely a squad player rather than a first pick.[/p][/quote]This is what I struggle with. Fox makes mistakes and he's criticised Shaw makes mistakes and its ignored. Why? Shaw cost us the games at Wigan, Spurs and home against Stoke. He wanders around the pitch at times and is slow to get back. Of course he's a talent but nowhere near the likes of Baines at Everton or Gibbs at Arsenal. I take the point about his age and his development but if we want to succeed then we need a better left back. IMO Targett is actually better than Shaw!!!![/p][/quote]I agree with some of this. Shaw has made mistakes, but he is learning. Fox should know better and yet continues to be out of position allowing them to score. How many times does Fox get to fix the same mistake ? He is not good enough if we are ambitious. If Luke is out and Fox comes in every team knows where to run. We cannot be that vulnerable and expect it won't cost us points. DisplacedFan
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2:34pm Fri 24 May 13

St.Winch70 says...

DisplacedFan wrote:
saintlysoul wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
After the impact he has had this season, I wouldn't drop Shaw to the bench - I would look at providing a bit more cover in front of him.
That lad is dynamite and he's growing with every game, need to keep that going.

Not sure why anyone thinks Fox is worth keeping - his tactical decisions have been very poor resulting in at least three goals that I'm aware of.

Goal keeper.... I think Boruc has improved massively and he has certainly pulled off some amazing saves. I also like that he tends to get a hold of the ball rather than slap it away. Gazzaniga might be for the future - possibly he needs to go on loan somewhere to get some game time. Davis brings a lot of experience but that does not necessarily mean he's right for the Premier League - I think that it's time he moved on so that another club can benefit from his experience.
But I don't really know who we get in to replace at GK.

Up front we definitely need a scavenger who will keep the opposition defence unsettled by runs off the ball and general hanging around of the goal to snap up any spilled balls or rebounds.
Our strikers need to be a bit more clinical in the finish as well.
Lala was really improving until he picked up that injury - Not sure what to do with him, maybe he's definitely a squad player rather than a first pick.
This is what I struggle with. Fox makes mistakes and he's criticised Shaw makes mistakes and its ignored. Why? Shaw cost us the games at Wigan, Spurs and home against Stoke. He wanders around the pitch at times and is slow to get back. Of course he's a talent but nowhere near the likes of Baines at Everton or Gibbs at Arsenal. I take the point about his age and his development but if we want to succeed then we need a better left back. IMO Targett is actually better than Shaw!!!!
I agree with some of this. Shaw has made mistakes, but he is learning. Fox should know better and yet continues to be out of position allowing them to score. How many times does Fox get to fix the same mistake ? He is not good enough if we are ambitious. If Luke is out and Fox comes in every team knows where to run. We cannot be that vulnerable and expect it won't cost us points.
Shaw is already a better player than Gibbs at Arsenal - he's been their cover for years whilst being developed - playing second fiddle to Clichy and now the spaniard.
How good would he be if given game time, who knows?
We currently have the two future england full backs in our team, play them let the m develop and this will also be good news for the national team.
Fox by the way is a decent left back at Championship level and that's it.
[quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: After the impact he has had this season, I wouldn't drop Shaw to the bench - I would look at providing a bit more cover in front of him. That lad is dynamite and he's growing with every game, need to keep that going. Not sure why anyone thinks Fox is worth keeping - his tactical decisions have been very poor resulting in at least three goals that I'm aware of. Goal keeper.... I think Boruc has improved massively and he has certainly pulled off some amazing saves. I also like that he tends to get a hold of the ball rather than slap it away. Gazzaniga might be for the future - possibly he needs to go on loan somewhere to get some game time. Davis brings a lot of experience but that does not necessarily mean he's right for the Premier League - I think that it's time he moved on so that another club can benefit from his experience. But I don't really know who we get in to replace at GK. Up front we definitely need a scavenger who will keep the opposition defence unsettled by runs off the ball and general hanging around of the goal to snap up any spilled balls or rebounds. Our strikers need to be a bit more clinical in the finish as well. Lala was really improving until he picked up that injury - Not sure what to do with him, maybe he's definitely a squad player rather than a first pick.[/p][/quote]This is what I struggle with. Fox makes mistakes and he's criticised Shaw makes mistakes and its ignored. Why? Shaw cost us the games at Wigan, Spurs and home against Stoke. He wanders around the pitch at times and is slow to get back. Of course he's a talent but nowhere near the likes of Baines at Everton or Gibbs at Arsenal. I take the point about his age and his development but if we want to succeed then we need a better left back. IMO Targett is actually better than Shaw!!!![/p][/quote]I agree with some of this. Shaw has made mistakes, but he is learning. Fox should know better and yet continues to be out of position allowing them to score. How many times does Fox get to fix the same mistake ? He is not good enough if we are ambitious. If Luke is out and Fox comes in every team knows where to run. We cannot be that vulnerable and expect it won't cost us points.[/p][/quote]Shaw is already a better player than Gibbs at Arsenal - he's been their cover for years whilst being developed - playing second fiddle to Clichy and now the spaniard. How good would he be if given game time, who knows? We currently have the two future england full backs in our team, play them let the m develop and this will also be good news for the national team. Fox by the way is a decent left back at Championship level and that's it. St.Winch70
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2:47pm Fri 24 May 13

saintkenny says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
DisplacedFan wrote:
saintlysoul wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
After the impact he has had this season, I wouldn't drop Shaw to the bench - I would look at providing a bit more cover in front of him.
That lad is dynamite and he's growing with every game, need to keep that going.

Not sure why anyone thinks Fox is worth keeping - his tactical decisions have been very poor resulting in at least three goals that I'm aware of.

Goal keeper.... I think Boruc has improved massively and he has certainly pulled off some amazing saves. I also like that he tends to get a hold of the ball rather than slap it away. Gazzaniga might be for the future - possibly he needs to go on loan somewhere to get some game time. Davis brings a lot of experience but that does not necessarily mean he's right for the Premier League - I think that it's time he moved on so that another club can benefit from his experience.
But I don't really know who we get in to replace at GK.

Up front we definitely need a scavenger who will keep the opposition defence unsettled by runs off the ball and general hanging around of the goal to snap up any spilled balls or rebounds.
Our strikers need to be a bit more clinical in the finish as well.
Lala was really improving until he picked up that injury - Not sure what to do with him, maybe he's definitely a squad player rather than a first pick.
This is what I struggle with. Fox makes mistakes and he's criticised Shaw makes mistakes and its ignored. Why? Shaw cost us the games at Wigan, Spurs and home against Stoke. He wanders around the pitch at times and is slow to get back. Of course he's a talent but nowhere near the likes of Baines at Everton or Gibbs at Arsenal. I take the point about his age and his development but if we want to succeed then we need a better left back. IMO Targett is actually better than Shaw!!!!
I agree with some of this. Shaw has made mistakes, but he is learning. Fox should know better and yet continues to be out of position allowing them to score. How many times does Fox get to fix the same mistake ? He is not good enough if we are ambitious. If Luke is out and Fox comes in every team knows where to run. We cannot be that vulnerable and expect it won't cost us points.
Shaw is already a better player than Gibbs at Arsenal - he's been their cover for years whilst being developed - playing second fiddle to Clichy and now the spaniard.
How good would he be if given game time, who knows?
We currently have the two future england full backs in our team, play them let the m develop and this will also be good news for the national team.
Fox by the way is a decent left back at Championship level and that's it.
The thing is also its easy to say bales goal spurs was shaws fault .bale had done the same to most teams ,when he cuts in to the right the left back cant really challenge when bale goes on the other foot .He did in the chelsea game to the left back and a midfielder came over and a central defender .yoshida could of done this but was injured .and neither fonte or hoovield had the pace to make it from there position so it highlighted where we have a problem .and i omit shaw blame on the bale goal .as most football coaches would agree
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: After the impact he has had this season, I wouldn't drop Shaw to the bench - I would look at providing a bit more cover in front of him. That lad is dynamite and he's growing with every game, need to keep that going. Not sure why anyone thinks Fox is worth keeping - his tactical decisions have been very poor resulting in at least three goals that I'm aware of. Goal keeper.... I think Boruc has improved massively and he has certainly pulled off some amazing saves. I also like that he tends to get a hold of the ball rather than slap it away. Gazzaniga might be for the future - possibly he needs to go on loan somewhere to get some game time. Davis brings a lot of experience but that does not necessarily mean he's right for the Premier League - I think that it's time he moved on so that another club can benefit from his experience. But I don't really know who we get in to replace at GK. Up front we definitely need a scavenger who will keep the opposition defence unsettled by runs off the ball and general hanging around of the goal to snap up any spilled balls or rebounds. Our strikers need to be a bit more clinical in the finish as well. Lala was really improving until he picked up that injury - Not sure what to do with him, maybe he's definitely a squad player rather than a first pick.[/p][/quote]This is what I struggle with. Fox makes mistakes and he's criticised Shaw makes mistakes and its ignored. Why? Shaw cost us the games at Wigan, Spurs and home against Stoke. He wanders around the pitch at times and is slow to get back. Of course he's a talent but nowhere near the likes of Baines at Everton or Gibbs at Arsenal. I take the point about his age and his development but if we want to succeed then we need a better left back. IMO Targett is actually better than Shaw!!!![/p][/quote]I agree with some of this. Shaw has made mistakes, but he is learning. Fox should know better and yet continues to be out of position allowing them to score. How many times does Fox get to fix the same mistake ? He is not good enough if we are ambitious. If Luke is out and Fox comes in every team knows where to run. We cannot be that vulnerable and expect it won't cost us points.[/p][/quote]Shaw is already a better player than Gibbs at Arsenal - he's been their cover for years whilst being developed - playing second fiddle to Clichy and now the spaniard. How good would he be if given game time, who knows? We currently have the two future england full backs in our team, play them let the m develop and this will also be good news for the national team. Fox by the way is a decent left back at Championship level and that's it.[/p][/quote]The thing is also its easy to say bales goal spurs was shaws fault .bale had done the same to most teams ,when he cuts in to the right the left back cant really challenge when bale goes on the other foot .He did in the chelsea game to the left back and a midfielder came over and a central defender .yoshida could of done this but was injured .and neither fonte or hoovield had the pace to make it from there position so it highlighted where we have a problem .and i omit shaw blame on the bale goal .as most football coaches would agree saintkenny
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2:55pm Fri 24 May 13

Rising_Son says...

saintlysoul wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
After the impact he has had this season, I wouldn't drop Shaw to the bench - I would look at providing a bit more cover in front of him.
That lad is dynamite and he's growing with every game, need to keep that going.

Not sure why anyone thinks Fox is worth keeping - his tactical decisions have been very poor resulting in at least three goals that I'm aware of.

Goal keeper.... I think Boruc has improved massively and he has certainly pulled off some amazing saves. I also like that he tends to get a hold of the ball rather than slap it away. Gazzaniga might be for the future - possibly he needs to go on loan somewhere to get some game time. Davis brings a lot of experience but that does not necessarily mean he's right for the Premier League - I think that it's time he moved on so that another club can benefit from his experience.
But I don't really know who we get in to replace at GK.

Up front we definitely need a scavenger who will keep the opposition defence unsettled by runs off the ball and general hanging around of the goal to snap up any spilled balls or rebounds.
Our strikers need to be a bit more clinical in the finish as well.
Lala was really improving until he picked up that injury - Not sure what to do with him, maybe he's definitely a squad player rather than a first pick.
This is what I struggle with. Fox makes mistakes and he's criticised Shaw makes mistakes and its ignored. Why? Shaw cost us the games at Wigan, Spurs and home against Stoke. He wanders around the pitch at times and is slow to get back. Of course he's a talent but nowhere near the likes of Baines at Everton or Gibbs at Arsenal. I take the point about his age and his development but if we want to succeed then we need a better left back. IMO Targett is actually better than Shaw!!!!
It's very easy to blame individuals for losing us games. Football is a team sport.

Getting back slowly sometimes costs us but, at other times, if another player gets the ball back, we have someone in a more forward position to pass to. Wandering can also lead to an unexpected attacking shape that is difficult to defend against.

I think you're also confusing a slip with a mistake. But then you probably don't like Shaw very much, do you? Or is it simply that you need to be controversial?
[quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: After the impact he has had this season, I wouldn't drop Shaw to the bench - I would look at providing a bit more cover in front of him. That lad is dynamite and he's growing with every game, need to keep that going. Not sure why anyone thinks Fox is worth keeping - his tactical decisions have been very poor resulting in at least three goals that I'm aware of. Goal keeper.... I think Boruc has improved massively and he has certainly pulled off some amazing saves. I also like that he tends to get a hold of the ball rather than slap it away. Gazzaniga might be for the future - possibly he needs to go on loan somewhere to get some game time. Davis brings a lot of experience but that does not necessarily mean he's right for the Premier League - I think that it's time he moved on so that another club can benefit from his experience. But I don't really know who we get in to replace at GK. Up front we definitely need a scavenger who will keep the opposition defence unsettled by runs off the ball and general hanging around of the goal to snap up any spilled balls or rebounds. Our strikers need to be a bit more clinical in the finish as well. Lala was really improving until he picked up that injury - Not sure what to do with him, maybe he's definitely a squad player rather than a first pick.[/p][/quote]This is what I struggle with. Fox makes mistakes and he's criticised Shaw makes mistakes and its ignored. Why? Shaw cost us the games at Wigan, Spurs and home against Stoke. He wanders around the pitch at times and is slow to get back. Of course he's a talent but nowhere near the likes of Baines at Everton or Gibbs at Arsenal. I take the point about his age and his development but if we want to succeed then we need a better left back. IMO Targett is actually better than Shaw!!!![/p][/quote]It's very easy to blame individuals for losing us games. Football is a team sport. Getting back slowly sometimes costs us but, at other times, if another player gets the ball back, we have someone in a more forward position to pass to. Wandering can also lead to an unexpected attacking shape that is difficult to defend against. I think you're also confusing a slip with a mistake. But then you probably don't like Shaw very much, do you? Or is it simply that you need to be controversial? Rising_Son
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2:55pm Fri 24 May 13

SiamSaint says...

Confucious wrote:
I think Poch's translator should be moved on and we should go for an English person who can speak Spanish rather than vice versa. This season's translator lacked pace and made too many simple errors eg: when Poch said in Spanish that 'appiness was important in the dressing room, the translator told a national TV audience that he said "A pen!s is important in the dressing room."
This man deserves his own show!
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: I think Poch's translator should be moved on and we should go for an English person who can speak Spanish rather than vice versa. This season's translator lacked pace and made too many simple errors eg: when Poch said in Spanish that 'appiness was important in the dressing room, the translator told a national TV audience that he said "A pen!s is important in the dressing room."[/p][/quote]This man deserves his own show! SiamSaint
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2:56pm Fri 24 May 13

St.Winch70 says...

saintlysoul wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
After the impact he has had this season, I wouldn't drop Shaw to the bench - I would look at providing a bit more cover in front of him.
That lad is dynamite and he's growing with every game, need to keep that going.

Not sure why anyone thinks Fox is worth keeping - his tactical decisions have been very poor resulting in at least three goals that I'm aware of.

Goal keeper.... I think Boruc has improved massively and he has certainly pulled off some amazing saves. I also like that he tends to get a hold of the ball rather than slap it away. Gazzaniga might be for the future - possibly he needs to go on loan somewhere to get some game time. Davis brings a lot of experience but that does not necessarily mean he's right for the Premier League - I think that it's time he moved on so that another club can benefit from his experience.
But I don't really know who we get in to replace at GK.

Up front we definitely need a scavenger who will keep the opposition defence unsettled by runs off the ball and general hanging around of the goal to snap up any spilled balls or rebounds.
Our strikers need to be a bit more clinical in the finish as well.
Lala was really improving until he picked up that injury - Not sure what to do with him, maybe he's definitely a squad player rather than a first pick.
This is what I struggle with. Fox makes mistakes and he's criticised Shaw makes mistakes and its ignored. Why? Shaw cost us the games at Wigan, Spurs and home against Stoke. He wanders around the pitch at times and is slow to get back. Of course he's a talent but nowhere near the likes of Baines at Everton or Gibbs at Arsenal. I take the point about his age and his development but if we want to succeed then we need a better left back. IMO Targett is actually better than Shaw!!!!
Bale has single-handedly destroyed teams in the premiership this year. He'll do more of the same next season I'm sure.
'He wanders around the pitch...slow to get back' - Really?
Targett may well be a talent, but until I see him defending against the likes of Bale, V.Persie, Ba, Aguero, Rooney et al I'll reserve my judgement on the comparison.
[quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: After the impact he has had this season, I wouldn't drop Shaw to the bench - I would look at providing a bit more cover in front of him. That lad is dynamite and he's growing with every game, need to keep that going. Not sure why anyone thinks Fox is worth keeping - his tactical decisions have been very poor resulting in at least three goals that I'm aware of. Goal keeper.... I think Boruc has improved massively and he has certainly pulled off some amazing saves. I also like that he tends to get a hold of the ball rather than slap it away. Gazzaniga might be for the future - possibly he needs to go on loan somewhere to get some game time. Davis brings a lot of experience but that does not necessarily mean he's right for the Premier League - I think that it's time he moved on so that another club can benefit from his experience. But I don't really know who we get in to replace at GK. Up front we definitely need a scavenger who will keep the opposition defence unsettled by runs off the ball and general hanging around of the goal to snap up any spilled balls or rebounds. Our strikers need to be a bit more clinical in the finish as well. Lala was really improving until he picked up that injury - Not sure what to do with him, maybe he's definitely a squad player rather than a first pick.[/p][/quote]This is what I struggle with. Fox makes mistakes and he's criticised Shaw makes mistakes and its ignored. Why? Shaw cost us the games at Wigan, Spurs and home against Stoke. He wanders around the pitch at times and is slow to get back. Of course he's a talent but nowhere near the likes of Baines at Everton or Gibbs at Arsenal. I take the point about his age and his development but if we want to succeed then we need a better left back. IMO Targett is actually better than Shaw!!!![/p][/quote]Bale has single-handedly destroyed teams in the premiership this year. He'll do more of the same next season I'm sure. 'He wanders around the pitch...slow to get back' - Really? Targett may well be a talent, but until I see him defending against the likes of Bale, V.Persie, Ba, Aguero, Rooney et al I'll reserve my judgement on the comparison. St.Winch70
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2:57pm Fri 24 May 13

saintkenny says...

DisplacedFan wrote:
saintlysoul wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
After the impact he has had this season, I wouldn't drop Shaw to the bench - I would look at providing a bit more cover in front of him.
That lad is dynamite and he's growing with every game, need to keep that going.

Not sure why anyone thinks Fox is worth keeping - his tactical decisions have been very poor resulting in at least three goals that I'm aware of.

Goal keeper.... I think Boruc has improved massively and he has certainly pulled off some amazing saves. I also like that he tends to get a hold of the ball rather than slap it away. Gazzaniga might be for the future - possibly he needs to go on loan somewhere to get some game time. Davis brings a lot of experience but that does not necessarily mean he's right for the Premier League - I think that it's time he moved on so that another club can benefit from his experience.
But I don't really know who we get in to replace at GK.

Up front we definitely need a scavenger who will keep the opposition defence unsettled by runs off the ball and general hanging around of the goal to snap up any spilled balls or rebounds.
Our strikers need to be a bit more clinical in the finish as well.
Lala was really improving until he picked up that injury - Not sure what to do with him, maybe he's definitely a squad player rather than a first pick.
This is what I struggle with. Fox makes mistakes and he's criticised Shaw makes mistakes and its ignored. Why? Shaw cost us the games at Wigan, Spurs and home against Stoke. He wanders around the pitch at times and is slow to get back. Of course he's a talent but nowhere near the likes of Baines at Everton or Gibbs at Arsenal. I take the point about his age and his development but if we want to succeed then we need a better left back. IMO Targett is actually better than Shaw!!!!
I agree with some of this. Shaw has made mistakes, but he is learning. Fox should know better and yet continues to be out of position allowing them to score. How many times does Fox get to fix the same mistake ? He is not good enough if we are ambitious. If Luke is out and Fox comes in every team knows where to run. We cannot be that vulnerable and expect it won't cost us points.
clyne as made quite a few over the season as well and hes 4 years older than shaw so maybe we need another right back if you criticize one then ,the pitch had 2 sides
[quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: After the impact he has had this season, I wouldn't drop Shaw to the bench - I would look at providing a bit more cover in front of him. That lad is dynamite and he's growing with every game, need to keep that going. Not sure why anyone thinks Fox is worth keeping - his tactical decisions have been very poor resulting in at least three goals that I'm aware of. Goal keeper.... I think Boruc has improved massively and he has certainly pulled off some amazing saves. I also like that he tends to get a hold of the ball rather than slap it away. Gazzaniga might be for the future - possibly he needs to go on loan somewhere to get some game time. Davis brings a lot of experience but that does not necessarily mean he's right for the Premier League - I think that it's time he moved on so that another club can benefit from his experience. But I don't really know who we get in to replace at GK. Up front we definitely need a scavenger who will keep the opposition defence unsettled by runs off the ball and general hanging around of the goal to snap up any spilled balls or rebounds. Our strikers need to be a bit more clinical in the finish as well. Lala was really improving until he picked up that injury - Not sure what to do with him, maybe he's definitely a squad player rather than a first pick.[/p][/quote]This is what I struggle with. Fox makes mistakes and he's criticised Shaw makes mistakes and its ignored. Why? Shaw cost us the games at Wigan, Spurs and home against Stoke. He wanders around the pitch at times and is slow to get back. Of course he's a talent but nowhere near the likes of Baines at Everton or Gibbs at Arsenal. I take the point about his age and his development but if we want to succeed then we need a better left back. IMO Targett is actually better than Shaw!!!![/p][/quote]I agree with some of this. Shaw has made mistakes, but he is learning. Fox should know better and yet continues to be out of position allowing them to score. How many times does Fox get to fix the same mistake ? He is not good enough if we are ambitious. If Luke is out and Fox comes in every team knows where to run. We cannot be that vulnerable and expect it won't cost us points.[/p][/quote]clyne as made quite a few over the season as well and hes 4 years older than shaw so maybe we need another right back if you criticize one then ,the pitch had 2 sides saintkenny
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2:58pm Fri 24 May 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

st1halo wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Confucious wrote:
We should plan for the longer term. We should buy Messi and Casey Stoney (captain of the England women's football team) and then breed them.

We could also get our money back fast by putting Messi out to stud and/or selling his frozen sperm for £2m per thimblefull.
I have visions of this going horribly wrong.

Lionel, not being happy with the contractual arangements, loses his cool and decides to scribble all over the agreement instead of signing.

HEADLINE:
Messi sperm in deface row.

STID
At first, I thought this was a lot of c0ck and ball, but then I began to think, what if David Beckham's agent reads these comments? Maybe he would call David immediately and suggest a post-footy new way for him to cash in on his success.

Then I thought a little more, what if Beck's agent had already thought of it? Were those really tears streaming down his face in Paris when he left the pitch for the last time or had he discovered a more convenient way to fill the test tube, so to speak.

Then I got into paranoid mode; what if Beck's agent is Confucious?

Nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu


urse!!!!!!!!
Stras, you didn't go a-puffing with Slugger last night did you?
No, but I did have a couple of glasses of bubbly, raising my glass to SaintSayerII in the process, maybe it's taking longer than it should to wear off.

Anyway, call me an opportunist, but if this sperm idea took off, maybe it would provide a good moment for the Don to re-establish contact with Le Tiss :)

I even have the name of any would be 'cross-pollination' companies ......

……. 'Shoot for the Stars' (See, who needs Business-Guru, huh?)
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: We should plan for the longer term. We should buy Messi and Casey Stoney (captain of the England women's football team) and then breed them. We could also get our money back fast by putting Messi out to stud and/or selling his frozen sperm for £2m per thimblefull.[/p][/quote]I have visions of this going horribly wrong. Lionel, not being happy with the contractual arangements, loses his cool and decides to scribble all over the agreement instead of signing. HEADLINE: Messi sperm in deface row. STID[/p][/quote]At first, I thought this was a lot of c0ck and ball, but then I began to think, what if David Beckham's agent reads these comments? Maybe he would call David immediately and suggest a post-footy new way for him to cash in on his success. Then I thought a little more, what if Beck's agent had already thought of it? Were those really tears streaming down his face in Paris when he left the pitch for the last time or had he discovered a more convenient way to fill the test tube, so to speak. Then I got into paranoid mode; what if Beck's agent is Confucious? Nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu urse!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Stras, you didn't go a-puffing with Slugger last night did you?[/p][/quote]No, but I did have a couple of glasses of bubbly, raising my glass to SaintSayerII in the process, maybe it's taking longer than it should to wear off. Anyway, call me an opportunist, but if this sperm idea took off, maybe it would provide a good moment for the Don to re-establish contact with Le Tiss :) I even have the name of any would be 'cross-pollination' companies ...... ……. 'Shoot for the Stars' (See, who needs Business-Guru, huh?) Strasbourg Saint
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3:01pm Fri 24 May 13

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

saintkenny wrote:
TEBOURBA wrote:
We must trust Cortese' choice of manager MP, to make the right decisions, on who to dump and who to sign
Next season MP will be starting from scratch and then we will be able to show us just how good he really is.
I hope I'm wrong but the signs aren't that good, in his last 12 games of this season MP won one point fewer than Nigel did in his last 12 games, before Cortese chopped him!
If they rolled Artur, Kevin and Gazza in to one, they wouldn't get a PL quality goalkeeper, A is a stop gap signing, K is over the hill and G is too inexperienced.
The signing of a quality goalkeeper was a priority last summer and IMO still is.
But remember we had to nigel last season the same and was given a 37 million purse .and nigel got that wrong .not with the keeper but not getting some more defenders .had he done so he would of kept his job .It is thought nigel asked for more funds for the january transfer window .but the board decided that he had wasted enough so they made the decision to sack him and get a manager who could do better with top flight experience .but after the poor start mps objective was a rescue mission to get to 40 points as every club who lost the first 3 matches in history had been relegated.however hard the decision may have been it may well be worth 130. million .it is how mp spends the money he is given could decide his fate .but maurico is happy i think he will do well once he gets the players that works within is system , the future is bright red in white
Kenny, Nigel had very little to do with transfers, Les Reed heads that side up and has openly said so. Nigel stated he knew nothing about Forren and Forren confirmed that he had neither met nor spoken to Nigel. MoPo hasn't picked Forren so I guess he had little input into that transfer either. SFC isn't run that way. The club will talk to MoPo and involve him but they wont 'give him' a transfer budget in the old Redknapp style.
[quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: We must trust Cortese' choice of manager MP, to make the right decisions, on who to dump and who to sign Next season MP will be starting from scratch and then we will be able to show us just how good he really is. I hope I'm wrong but the signs aren't that good, in his last 12 games of this season MP won one point fewer than Nigel did in his last 12 games, before Cortese chopped him! If they rolled Artur, Kevin and Gazza in to one, they wouldn't get a PL quality goalkeeper, A is a stop gap signing, K is over the hill and G is too inexperienced. The signing of a quality goalkeeper was a priority last summer and IMO still is.[/p][/quote]But remember we had to nigel last season the same and was given a 37 million purse .and nigel got that wrong .not with the keeper but not getting some more defenders .had he done so he would of kept his job .It is thought nigel asked for more funds for the january transfer window .but the board decided that he had wasted enough so they made the decision to sack him and get a manager who could do better with top flight experience .but after the poor start mps objective was a rescue mission to get to 40 points as every club who lost the first 3 matches in history had been relegated.however hard the decision may have been it may well be worth 130. million .it is how mp spends the money he is given could decide his fate .but maurico is happy i think he will do well once he gets the players that works within is system , the future is bright red in white[/p][/quote]Kenny, Nigel had very little to do with transfers, Les Reed heads that side up and has openly said so. Nigel stated he knew nothing about Forren and Forren confirmed that he had neither met nor spoken to Nigel. MoPo hasn't picked Forren so I guess he had little input into that transfer either. SFC isn't run that way. The club will talk to MoPo and involve him but they wont 'give him' a transfer budget in the old Redknapp style. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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3:04pm Fri 24 May 13

saintkenny says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
saintlysoul wrote:
Stroppy_gramps wrote:
After the impact he has had this season, I wouldn't drop Shaw to the bench - I would look at providing a bit more cover in front of him.
That lad is dynamite and he's growing with every game, need to keep that going.

Not sure why anyone thinks Fox is worth keeping - his tactical decisions have been very poor resulting in at least three goals that I'm aware of.

Goal keeper.... I think Boruc has improved massively and he has certainly pulled off some amazing saves. I also like that he tends to get a hold of the ball rather than slap it away. Gazzaniga might be for the future - possibly he needs to go on loan somewhere to get some game time. Davis brings a lot of experience but that does not necessarily mean he's right for the Premier League - I think that it's time he moved on so that another club can benefit from his experience.
But I don't really know who we get in to replace at GK.

Up front we definitely need a scavenger who will keep the opposition defence unsettled by runs off the ball and general hanging around of the goal to snap up any spilled balls or rebounds.
Our strikers need to be a bit more clinical in the finish as well.
Lala was really improving until he picked up that injury - Not sure what to do with him, maybe he's definitely a squad player rather than a first pick.
This is what I struggle with. Fox makes mistakes and he's criticised Shaw makes mistakes and its ignored. Why? Shaw cost us the games at Wigan, Spurs and home against Stoke. He wanders around the pitch at times and is slow to get back. Of course he's a talent but nowhere near the likes of Baines at Everton or Gibbs at Arsenal. I take the point about his age and his development but if we want to succeed then we need a better left back. IMO Targett is actually better than Shaw!!!!
Bale has single-handedly destroyed teams in the premiership this year. He'll do more of the same next season I'm sure.
'He wanders around the pitch...slow to get back' - Really?
Targett may well be a talent, but until I see him defending against the likes of Bale, V.Persie, Ba, Aguero, Rooney et al I'll reserve my judgement on the comparison.
i watch the un21s and target is not better than shaw ,but you have to remember its not full backs that is the problem its central defense we only have one with enough pace for the premiership at the moment maya yoshida .who missed some games recently maya has been great without him coming in shoring things up are goal difference would of been close to the bottom 4 .if we bring in some pacy central defenders both shaw and clyne will loo far better than they already are starting to emerge promising talent
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: After the impact he has had this season, I wouldn't drop Shaw to the bench - I would look at providing a bit more cover in front of him. That lad is dynamite and he's growing with every game, need to keep that going. Not sure why anyone thinks Fox is worth keeping - his tactical decisions have been very poor resulting in at least three goals that I'm aware of. Goal keeper.... I think Boruc has improved massively and he has certainly pulled off some amazing saves. I also like that he tends to get a hold of the ball rather than slap it away. Gazzaniga might be for the future - possibly he needs to go on loan somewhere to get some game time. Davis brings a lot of experience but that does not necessarily mean he's right for the Premier League - I think that it's time he moved on so that another club can benefit from his experience. But I don't really know who we get in to replace at GK. Up front we definitely need a scavenger who will keep the opposition defence unsettled by runs off the ball and general hanging around of the goal to snap up any spilled balls or rebounds. Our strikers need to be a bit more clinical in the finish as well. Lala was really improving until he picked up that injury - Not sure what to do with him, maybe he's definitely a squad player rather than a first pick.[/p][/quote]This is what I struggle with. Fox makes mistakes and he's criticised Shaw makes mistakes and its ignored. Why? Shaw cost us the games at Wigan, Spurs and home against Stoke. He wanders around the pitch at times and is slow to get back. Of course he's a talent but nowhere near the likes of Baines at Everton or Gibbs at Arsenal. I take the point about his age and his development but if we want to succeed then we need a better left back. IMO Targett is actually better than Shaw!!!![/p][/quote]Bale has single-handedly destroyed teams in the premiership this year. He'll do more of the same next season I'm sure. 'He wanders around the pitch...slow to get back' - Really? Targett may well be a talent, but until I see him defending against the likes of Bale, V.Persie, Ba, Aguero, Rooney et al I'll reserve my judgement on the comparison.[/p][/quote]i watch the un21s and target is not better than shaw ,but you have to remember its not full backs that is the problem its central defense we only have one with enough pace for the premiership at the moment maya yoshida .who missed some games recently maya has been great without him coming in shoring things up are goal difference would of been close to the bottom 4 .if we bring in some pacy central defenders both shaw and clyne will loo far better than they already are starting to emerge promising talent saintkenny
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3:11pm Fri 24 May 13

Rising_Son says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Confucious wrote:
We should plan for the longer term. We should buy Messi and Casey Stoney (captain of the England women's football team) and then breed them.

We could also get our money back fast by putting Messi out to stud and/or selling his frozen sperm for £2m per thimblefull.
I have visions of this going horribly wrong.

Lionel, not being happy with the contractual arangements, loses his cool and decides to scribble all over the agreement instead of signing.

HEADLINE:
Messi sperm in deface row.

STID
At first, I thought this was a lot of c0ck and ball, but then I began to think, what if David Beckham's agent reads these comments? Maybe he would call David immediately and suggest a post-footy new way for him to cash in on his success.

Then I thought a little more, what if Beck's agent had already thought of it? Were those really tears streaming down his face in Paris when he left the pitch for the last time or had he discovered a more convenient way to fill the test tube, so to speak.

Then I got into paranoid mode; what if Beck's agent is Confucious?

Nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu



urse!!!!!!!!
Stras, you didn't go a-puffing with Slugger last night did you?
No, but I did have a couple of glasses of bubbly, raising my glass to SaintSayerII in the process, maybe it's taking longer than it should to wear off.

Anyway, call me an opportunist, but if this sperm idea took off, maybe it would provide a good moment for the Don to re-establish contact with Le Tiss :)

I even have the name of any would be 'cross-pollination' companies ......

……. 'Shoot for the Stars' (See, who needs Business-Guru, huh?)
There was a sperm bank for 'geniuses' once. It shut down in 1999. Would one for footballers fare any better?
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: We should plan for the longer term. We should buy Messi and Casey Stoney (captain of the England women's football team) and then breed them. We could also get our money back fast by putting Messi out to stud and/or selling his frozen sperm for £2m per thimblefull.[/p][/quote]I have visions of this going horribly wrong. Lionel, not being happy with the contractual arangements, loses his cool and decides to scribble all over the agreement instead of signing. HEADLINE: Messi sperm in deface row. STID[/p][/quote]At first, I thought this was a lot of c0ck and ball, but then I began to think, what if David Beckham's agent reads these comments? Maybe he would call David immediately and suggest a post-footy new way for him to cash in on his success. Then I thought a little more, what if Beck's agent had already thought of it? Were those really tears streaming down his face in Paris when he left the pitch for the last time or had he discovered a more convenient way to fill the test tube, so to speak. Then I got into paranoid mode; what if Beck's agent is Confucious? Nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu urse!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Stras, you didn't go a-puffing with Slugger last night did you?[/p][/quote]No, but I did have a couple of glasses of bubbly, raising my glass to SaintSayerII in the process, maybe it's taking longer than it should to wear off. Anyway, call me an opportunist, but if this sperm idea took off, maybe it would provide a good moment for the Don to re-establish contact with Le Tiss :) I even have the name of any would be 'cross-pollination' companies ...... ……. 'Shoot for the Stars' (See, who needs Business-Guru, huh?)[/p][/quote]There was a sperm bank for 'geniuses' once. It shut down in 1999. Would one for footballers fare any better? Rising_Son
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3:15pm Fri 24 May 13

BracknellSaint says...

Can see Guly being sold/shipped out, but personally I'd like to see (a) Sharp get a crack at the prem, maybe as something to have on the bench, and (b) Tad Lee back in the squad. The likes of De Ridder and Chaplow will probably move on-decent players, but maybe not at the next level we are aspiring to....
Can see Guly being sold/shipped out, but personally I'd like to see (a) Sharp get a crack at the prem, maybe as something to have on the bench, and (b) Tad Lee back in the squad. The likes of De Ridder and Chaplow will probably move on-decent players, but maybe not at the next level we are aspiring to.... BracknellSaint
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3:17pm Fri 24 May 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Confucious wrote:
We should plan for the longer term. We should buy Messi and Casey Stoney (captain of the England women's football team) and then breed them.

We could also get our money back fast by putting Messi out to stud and/or selling his frozen sperm for £2m per thimblefull.
I have visions of this going horribly wrong.

Lionel, not being happy with the contractual arangements, loses his cool and decides to scribble all over the agreement instead of signing.

HEADLINE:
Messi sperm in deface row.

STID
At first, I thought this was a lot of c0ck and ball, but then I began to think, what if David Beckham's agent reads these comments? Maybe he would call David immediately and suggest a post-footy new way for him to cash in on his success.

Then I thought a little more, what if Beck's agent had already thought of it? Were those really tears streaming down his face in Paris when he left the pitch for the last time or had he discovered a more convenient way to fill the test tube, so to speak.

Then I got into paranoid mode; what if Beck's agent is Confucious?

Nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu




urse!!!!!!!!
Stras, you didn't go a-puffing with Slugger last night did you?
No, but I did have a couple of glasses of bubbly, raising my glass to SaintSayerII in the process, maybe it's taking longer than it should to wear off.

Anyway, call me an opportunist, but if this sperm idea took off, maybe it would provide a good moment for the Don to re-establish contact with Le Tiss :)

I even have the name of any would be 'cross-pollination' companies ......

……. 'Shoot for the Stars' (See, who needs Business-Guru, huh?)
There was a sperm bank for 'geniuses' once. It shut down in 1999. Would one for footballers fare any better?
Yes, why not? I definitely reckon it's worth knocking something out (if you'll 'scuse the expression).

Mind you, if I end up having anything to do with it, rather than calling it 'Shoot for the Stars', I'd want to call it 'Shoot for the Stras' :)
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: We should plan for the longer term. We should buy Messi and Casey Stoney (captain of the England women's football team) and then breed them. We could also get our money back fast by putting Messi out to stud and/or selling his frozen sperm for £2m per thimblefull.[/p][/quote]I have visions of this going horribly wrong. Lionel, not being happy with the contractual arangements, loses his cool and decides to scribble all over the agreement instead of signing. HEADLINE: Messi sperm in deface row. STID[/p][/quote]At first, I thought this was a lot of c0ck and ball, but then I began to think, what if David Beckham's agent reads these comments? Maybe he would call David immediately and suggest a post-footy new way for him to cash in on his success. Then I thought a little more, what if Beck's agent had already thought of it? Were those really tears streaming down his face in Paris when he left the pitch for the last time or had he discovered a more convenient way to fill the test tube, so to speak. Then I got into paranoid mode; what if Beck's agent is Confucious? Nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu urse!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Stras, you didn't go a-puffing with Slugger last night did you?[/p][/quote]No, but I did have a couple of glasses of bubbly, raising my glass to SaintSayerII in the process, maybe it's taking longer than it should to wear off. Anyway, call me an opportunist, but if this sperm idea took off, maybe it would provide a good moment for the Don to re-establish contact with Le Tiss :) I even have the name of any would be 'cross-pollination' companies ...... ……. 'Shoot for the Stars' (See, who needs Business-Guru, huh?)[/p][/quote]There was a sperm bank for 'geniuses' once. It shut down in 1999. Would one for footballers fare any better?[/p][/quote]Yes, why not? I definitely reckon it's worth knocking something out (if you'll 'scuse the expression). Mind you, if I end up having anything to do with it, rather than calling it 'Shoot for the Stars', I'd want to call it 'Shoot for the Stras' :) Strasbourg Saint
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3:19pm Fri 24 May 13

Confucious says...

The reason transfer fees etc are becoming ridiculously bloated is that there are too many agents with their fingers in the pie.

Word is that Wayne Rooney's agent's agent has just got himself an agent - and that's who put the rumour out that Rooney's agent's agent had spread the tale that Rooney's agent sewed the gossip that Rooney was now a "hot potato" on the transfer market.

No doubt the reason agent's agents are now getting agents is that most of the money filters up to the top agent - so it's inevitable that some grasping chancer will soon wangle in to try and become Rooney's agent's agent's agent's agent.

When Rooney landed the £4m McCann's Ready-to-Microwave Stuffed Baked Potato sponsorship deal, his agent's agent got £2.5m of it. He also got £1 million of the £3m deal with the Japanese Fashion house which (rather oddly) launched the Wayne Rooney Potato Jacket.

Anyway, when I renew my four season tickets, I thought of getting my Uncle Tian to talk to the ticket office first - posing as my agent's (Auntie Elspeth) agent - and then negotiating their fees as part of the price. They would then give me half their commission. Result!

The only issue is that they are both bright enough to latch on and get themselves agents to haggle over my deal - and quite honestly if Uncle Tian's agent's agent gets an agent and then Auntie Elspeth's agent's agent
gets an agent, I might as well just not bother because it's too much stress.

I don't say this because I can't cope with the numbers - far from it. But the point is that you could wind up with a situation where, say you have a line of 10 agents, agents' agents and agents' agents' agents etc, but the last one also has the first one as his agent. Thus they would go round in a never ending circle of agent's fees taking all the money.

Anyway, at this point I just thought, fukc that for a game of soldiers, I'll forget it and carry on writing my paper for the Veterinary Association about the amazingly tiny fleas which I've discovered which live on fleas.
The reason transfer fees etc are becoming ridiculously bloated is that there are too many agents with their fingers in the pie. Word is that Wayne Rooney's agent's agent has just got himself an agent - and that's who put the rumour out that Rooney's agent's agent had spread the tale that Rooney's agent sewed the gossip that Rooney was now a "hot potato" on the transfer market. No doubt the reason agent's agents are now getting agents is that most of the money filters up to the top agent - so it's inevitable that some grasping chancer will soon wangle in to try and become Rooney's agent's agent's agent's agent. When Rooney landed the £4m McCann's Ready-to-Microwave Stuffed Baked Potato sponsorship deal, his agent's agent got £2.5m of it. He also got £1 million of the £3m deal with the Japanese Fashion house which (rather oddly) launched the Wayne Rooney Potato Jacket. Anyway, when I renew my four season tickets, I thought of getting my Uncle Tian to talk to the ticket office first - posing as my agent's (Auntie Elspeth) agent - and then negotiating their fees as part of the price. They would then give me half their commission. Result! The only issue is that they are both bright enough to latch on and get themselves agents to haggle over my deal - and quite honestly if Uncle Tian's agent's agent gets an agent and then Auntie Elspeth's agent's agent gets an agent, I might as well just not bother because it's too much stress. I don't say this because I can't cope with the numbers - far from it. But the point is that you could wind up with a situation where, say you have a line of 10 agents, agents' agents and agents' agents' agents etc, but the last one also has the first one as his agent. Thus they would go round in a never ending circle of agent's fees taking all the money. Anyway, at this point I just thought, fukc that for a game of soldiers, I'll forget it and carry on writing my paper for the Veterinary Association about the amazingly tiny fleas which I've discovered which live on fleas. Confucious
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3:21pm Fri 24 May 13

saintkenny says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
TEBOURBA wrote:
We must trust Cortese' choice of manager MP, to make the right decisions, on who to dump and who to sign
Next season MP will be starting from scratch and then we will be able to show us just how good he really is.
I hope I'm wrong but the signs aren't that good, in his last 12 games of this season MP won one point fewer than Nigel did in his last 12 games, before Cortese chopped him!
If they rolled Artur, Kevin and Gazza in to one, they wouldn't get a PL quality goalkeeper, A is a stop gap signing, K is over the hill and G is too inexperienced.
The signing of a quality goalkeeper was a priority last summer and IMO still is.
But remember we had to nigel last season the same and was given a 37 million purse .and nigel got that wrong .not with the keeper but not getting some more defenders .had he done so he would of kept his job .It is thought nigel asked for more funds for the january transfer window .but the board decided that he had wasted enough so they made the decision to sack him and get a manager who could do better with top flight experience .but after the poor start mps objective was a rescue mission to get to 40 points as every club who lost the first 3 matches in history had been relegated.however hard the decision may have been it may well be worth 130. million .it is how mp spends the money he is given could decide his fate .but maurico is happy i think he will do well once he gets the players that works within is system , the future is bright red in white
Kenny, Nigel had very little to do with transfers, Les Reed heads that side up and has openly said so. Nigel stated he knew nothing about Forren and Forren confirmed that he had neither met nor spoken to Nigel. MoPo hasn't picked Forren so I guess he had little input into that transfer either. SFC isn't run that way. The club will talk to MoPo and involve him but they wont 'give him' a transfer budget in the old Redknapp style.
nigel all ready stated before he wanted gaston your wrong the club is run that way .and thats why nigel was sacked before the transfer window he had already had 37 million to spend .all players settle the deals with the chairman .here is a list of players chosen by managers .lambert hammond guly butterfield richardson puncheon . all signed by pardew .fox chaplow hoovield deridder fonte clyne gaston mayuka lee cork jay rod yoshida gazzinaga all singed by adkins .forren was agreed with maurico who knew he was going to be appointed 4 weeks before announced but to close to the transfer window maurico is now deciding who he wants and who is not needed .the managers choice this is how the club is run .importantly jayrod and gaston flopped under adkins and did look a waste of money but maurico got the best out of them they looked different players .That for me made is appointment look the right decision .and possibly worth 130 million had we gone down with adkins .as we still could of done .it was a 130 million decision for cortesse lets be fair
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: We must trust Cortese' choice of manager MP, to make the right decisions, on who to dump and who to sign Next season MP will be starting from scratch and then we will be able to show us just how good he really is. I hope I'm wrong but the signs aren't that good, in his last 12 games of this season MP won one point fewer than Nigel did in his last 12 games, before Cortese chopped him! If they rolled Artur, Kevin and Gazza in to one, they wouldn't get a PL quality goalkeeper, A is a stop gap signing, K is over the hill and G is too inexperienced. The signing of a quality goalkeeper was a priority last summer and IMO still is.[/p][/quote]But remember we had to nigel last season the same and was given a 37 million purse .and nigel got that wrong .not with the keeper but not getting some more defenders .had he done so he would of kept his job .It is thought nigel asked for more funds for the january transfer window .but the board decided that he had wasted enough so they made the decision to sack him and get a manager who could do better with top flight experience .but after the poor start mps objective was a rescue mission to get to 40 points as every club who lost the first 3 matches in history had been relegated.however hard the decision may have been it may well be worth 130. million .it is how mp spends the money he is given could decide his fate .but maurico is happy i think he will do well once he gets the players that works within is system , the future is bright red in white[/p][/quote]Kenny, Nigel had very little to do with transfers, Les Reed heads that side up and has openly said so. Nigel stated he knew nothing about Forren and Forren confirmed that he had neither met nor spoken to Nigel. MoPo hasn't picked Forren so I guess he had little input into that transfer either. SFC isn't run that way. The club will talk to MoPo and involve him but they wont 'give him' a transfer budget in the old Redknapp style.[/p][/quote]nigel all ready stated before he wanted gaston your wrong the club is run that way .and thats why nigel was sacked before the transfer window he had already had 37 million to spend .all players settle the deals with the chairman .here is a list of players chosen by managers .lambert hammond guly butterfield richardson puncheon . all signed by pardew .fox chaplow hoovield deridder fonte clyne gaston mayuka lee cork jay rod yoshida gazzinaga all singed by adkins .forren was agreed with maurico who knew he was going to be appointed 4 weeks before announced but to close to the transfer window maurico is now deciding who he wants and who is not needed .the managers choice this is how the club is run .importantly jayrod and gaston flopped under adkins and did look a waste of money but maurico got the best out of them they looked different players .That for me made is appointment look the right decision .and possibly worth 130 million had we gone down with adkins .as we still could of done .it was a 130 million decision for cortesse lets be fair saintkenny
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3:29pm Fri 24 May 13

george chivers says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Once we've had the clear out let's hope we can make some better signings this season compared to last season.

Ramirez, not value for money at £12m
J-Rod, goodish but still not a £9m player
Mayuka, poor value at £4m
Forren, poor so far at £3m
Gazzanigger, worrying at £3m

Total £31m

Free transfers

Clyne, Superb
Davis, very good squad player
Boruc, slow start, now very good

The frees were on the whole were better signings.

Hope we get better value for money next season.
A bit of a short sighted post. Most of those players you mention were bought with development in mind. I don't think you can accurately judge them all after one season in the premiership.
JRod next season will be excellent, Davis will offer solid back up in the middle for the other CMs, Ramirez will find his feet and integrate further with more talent that's added to the squad, Gazza one for the future and will be fine as he matures, Mayuka will be a good impact option, Clyne will remain outstanding as will Boruc, Let's wait on Forren before we judge.

All things considered, a good mixture of youth and experience - lots to look forward to...if you let yourself ;-)
I prefer to comment on actual performance not unproven potential.

I think strikers like J-Rod and Mayuka will only be able to show how good they are when Rickie starts to decline. With only one striker in the team playing in a striking position it is difficult for them

I don't think Gazza will make it at all because of his lack of confidence. And I am not really sure if Ramirez wants to be here. His sending off three games from the end was crazy and irresponsible. Despite some of the good things he has done I think he plays for himself and not the team.

Forren, who knows? but Fonte and Hooiveld aren't really premier League players. Although they have improved a lot this year. I expected Forren to be a lot better than them. We shall see.
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Once we've had the clear out let's hope we can make some better signings this season compared to last season. Ramirez, not value for money at £12m J-Rod, goodish but still not a £9m player Mayuka, poor value at £4m Forren, poor so far at £3m Gazzanigger, worrying at £3m Total £31m Free transfers Clyne, Superb Davis, very good squad player Boruc, slow start, now very good The frees were on the whole were better signings. Hope we get better value for money next season.[/p][/quote]A bit of a short sighted post. Most of those players you mention were bought with development in mind. I don't think you can accurately judge them all after one season in the premiership. JRod next season will be excellent, Davis will offer solid back up in the middle for the other CMs, Ramirez will find his feet and integrate further with more talent that's added to the squad, Gazza one for the future and will be fine as he matures, Mayuka will be a good impact option, Clyne will remain outstanding as will Boruc, Let's wait on Forren before we judge. All things considered, a good mixture of youth and experience - lots to look forward to...if you let yourself ;-)[/p][/quote]I prefer to comment on actual performance not unproven potential. I think strikers like J-Rod and Mayuka will only be able to show how good they are when Rickie starts to decline. With only one striker in the team playing in a striking position it is difficult for them I don't think Gazza will make it at all because of his lack of confidence. And I am not really sure if Ramirez wants to be here. His sending off three games from the end was crazy and irresponsible. Despite some of the good things he has done I think he plays for himself and not the team. Forren, who knows? but Fonte and Hooiveld aren't really premier League players. Although they have improved a lot this year. I expected Forren to be a lot better than them. We shall see. george chivers
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3:29pm Fri 24 May 13

saintkenny says...

stoke is talking to mark hughes thats one relegation place settled already next season then
stoke is talking to mark hughes thats one relegation place settled already next season then saintkenny
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3:57pm Fri 24 May 13

Rising_Son says...

george chivers wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Once we've had the clear out let's hope we can make some better signings this season compared to last season.

Ramirez, not value for money at £12m
J-Rod, goodish but still not a £9m player
Mayuka, poor value at £4m
Forren, poor so far at £3m
Gazzanigger, worrying at £3m

Total £31m

Free transfers

Clyne, Superb
Davis, very good squad player
Boruc, slow start, now very good

The frees were on the whole were better signings.

Hope we get better value for money next season.
A bit of a short sighted post. Most of those players you mention were bought with development in mind. I don't think you can accurately judge them all after one season in the premiership.
JRod next season will be excellent, Davis will offer solid back up in the middle for the other CMs, Ramirez will find his feet and integrate further with more talent that's added to the squad, Gazza one for the future and will be fine as he matures, Mayuka will be a good impact option, Clyne will remain outstanding as will Boruc, Let's wait on Forren before we judge.

All things considered, a good mixture of youth and experience - lots to look forward to...if you let yourself ;-)
I prefer to comment on actual performance not unproven potential.

I think strikers like J-Rod and Mayuka will only be able to show how good they are when Rickie starts to decline. With only one striker in the team playing in a striking position it is difficult for them

I don't think Gazza will make it at all because of his lack of confidence. And I am not really sure if Ramirez wants to be here. His sending off three games from the end was crazy and irresponsible. Despite some of the good things he has done I think he plays for himself and not the team.

Forren, who knows? but Fonte and Hooiveld aren't really premier League players. Although they have improved a lot this year. I expected Forren to be a lot better than them. We shall see.
But George, you aren't commenting on actual performance. You're speculating about unproven potential and the mental states of particular players.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Once we've had the clear out let's hope we can make some better signings this season compared to last season. Ramirez, not value for money at £12m J-Rod, goodish but still not a £9m player Mayuka, poor value at £4m Forren, poor so far at £3m Gazzanigger, worrying at £3m Total £31m Free transfers Clyne, Superb Davis, very good squad player Boruc, slow start, now very good The frees were on the whole were better signings. Hope we get better value for money next season.[/p][/quote]A bit of a short sighted post. Most of those players you mention were bought with development in mind. I don't think you can accurately judge them all after one season in the premiership. JRod next season will be excellent, Davis will offer solid back up in the middle for the other CMs, Ramirez will find his feet and integrate further with more talent that's added to the squad, Gazza one for the future and will be fine as he matures, Mayuka will be a good impact option, Clyne will remain outstanding as will Boruc, Let's wait on Forren before we judge. All things considered, a good mixture of youth and experience - lots to look forward to...if you let yourself ;-)[/p][/quote]I prefer to comment on actual performance not unproven potential. I think strikers like J-Rod and Mayuka will only be able to show how good they are when Rickie starts to decline. With only one striker in the team playing in a striking position it is difficult for them I don't think Gazza will make it at all because of his lack of confidence. And I am not really sure if Ramirez wants to be here. His sending off three games from the end was crazy and irresponsible. Despite some of the good things he has done I think he plays for himself and not the team. Forren, who knows? but Fonte and Hooiveld aren't really premier League players. Although they have improved a lot this year. I expected Forren to be a lot better than them. We shall see.[/p][/quote]But George, you aren't commenting on actual performance. You're speculating about unproven potential and the mental states of particular players. Rising_Son
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4:13pm Fri 24 May 13

st1halo says...

saintkenny wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
TEBOURBA wrote:
We must trust Cortese' choice of manager MP, to make the right decisions, on who to dump and who to sign
Next season MP will be starting from scratch and then we will be able to show us just how good he really is.
I hope I'm wrong but the signs aren't that good, in his last 12 games of this season MP won one point fewer than Nigel did in his last 12 games, before Cortese chopped him!
If they rolled Artur, Kevin and Gazza in to one, they wouldn't get a PL quality goalkeeper, A is a stop gap signing, K is over the hill and G is too inexperienced.
The signing of a quality goalkeeper was a priority last summer and IMO still is.
But remember we had to nigel last season the same and was given a 37 million purse .and nigel got that wrong .not with the keeper but not getting some more defenders .had he done so he would of kept his job .It is thought nigel asked for more funds for the january transfer window .but the board decided that he had wasted enough so they made the decision to sack him and get a manager who could do better with top flight experience .but after the poor start mps objective was a rescue mission to get to 40 points as every club who lost the first 3 matches in history had been relegated.however hard the decision may have been it may well be worth 130. million .it is how mp spends the money he is given could decide his fate .but maurico is happy i think he will do well once he gets the players that works within is system , the future is bright red in white
Kenny, Nigel had very little to do with transfers, Les Reed heads that side up and has openly said so. Nigel stated he knew nothing about Forren and Forren confirmed that he had neither met nor spoken to Nigel. MoPo hasn't picked Forren so I guess he had little input into that transfer either. SFC isn't run that way. The club will talk to MoPo and involve him but they wont 'give him' a transfer budget in the old Redknapp style.
nigel all ready stated before he wanted gaston your wrong the club is run that way .and thats why nigel was sacked before the transfer window he had already had 37 million to spend .all players settle the deals with the chairman .here is a list of players chosen by managers .lambert hammond guly butterfield richardson puncheon . all signed by pardew .fox chaplow hoovield deridder fonte clyne gaston mayuka lee cork jay rod yoshida gazzinaga all singed by adkins .forren was agreed with maurico who knew he was going to be appointed 4 weeks before announced but to close to the transfer window maurico is now deciding who he wants and who is not needed .the managers choice this is how the club is run .importantly jayrod and gaston flopped under adkins and did look a waste of money but maurico got the best out of them they looked different players .That for me made is appointment look the right decision .and possibly worth 130 million had we gone down with adkins .as we still could of done .it was a 130 million decision for cortesse lets be fair
Sorry kenny but I find it highly unlikely that the Forren signing had anything to do with MoPo.

STID
[quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: We must trust Cortese' choice of manager MP, to make the right decisions, on who to dump and who to sign Next season MP will be starting from scratch and then we will be able to show us just how good he really is. I hope I'm wrong but the signs aren't that good, in his last 12 games of this season MP won one point fewer than Nigel did in his last 12 games, before Cortese chopped him! If they rolled Artur, Kevin and Gazza in to one, they wouldn't get a PL quality goalkeeper, A is a stop gap signing, K is over the hill and G is too inexperienced. The signing of a quality goalkeeper was a priority last summer and IMO still is.[/p][/quote]But remember we had to nigel last season the same and was given a 37 million purse .and nigel got that wrong .not with the keeper but not getting some more defenders .had he done so he would of kept his job .It is thought nigel asked for more funds for the january transfer window .but the board decided that he had wasted enough so they made the decision to sack him and get a manager who could do better with top flight experience .but after the poor start mps objective was a rescue mission to get to 40 points as every club who lost the first 3 matches in history had been relegated.however hard the decision may have been it may well be worth 130. million .it is how mp spends the money he is given could decide his fate .but maurico is happy i think he will do well once he gets the players that works within is system , the future is bright red in white[/p][/quote]Kenny, Nigel had very little to do with transfers, Les Reed heads that side up and has openly said so. Nigel stated he knew nothing about Forren and Forren confirmed that he had neither met nor spoken to Nigel. MoPo hasn't picked Forren so I guess he had little input into that transfer either. SFC isn't run that way. The club will talk to MoPo and involve him but they wont 'give him' a transfer budget in the old Redknapp style.[/p][/quote]nigel all ready stated before he wanted gaston your wrong the club is run that way .and thats why nigel was sacked before the transfer window he had already had 37 million to spend .all players settle the deals with the chairman .here is a list of players chosen by managers .lambert hammond guly butterfield richardson puncheon . all signed by pardew .fox chaplow hoovield deridder fonte clyne gaston mayuka lee cork jay rod yoshida gazzinaga all singed by adkins .forren was agreed with maurico who knew he was going to be appointed 4 weeks before announced but to close to the transfer window maurico is now deciding who he wants and who is not needed .the managers choice this is how the club is run .importantly jayrod and gaston flopped under adkins and did look a waste of money but maurico got the best out of them they looked different players .That for me made is appointment look the right decision .and possibly worth 130 million had we gone down with adkins .as we still could of done .it was a 130 million decision for cortesse lets be fair[/p][/quote]Sorry kenny but I find it highly unlikely that the Forren signing had anything to do with MoPo. STID st1halo
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4:16pm Fri 24 May 13

saintlysoul says...

Confucious wrote:
The reason transfer fees etc are becoming ridiculously bloated is that there are too many agents with their fingers in the pie.

Word is that Wayne Rooney's agent's agent has just got himself an agent - and that's who put the rumour out that Rooney's agent's agent had spread the tale that Rooney's agent sewed the gossip that Rooney was now a "hot potato" on the transfer market.

No doubt the reason agent's agents are now getting agents is that most of the money filters up to the top agent - so it's inevitable that some grasping chancer will soon wangle in to try and become Rooney's agent's agent's agent's agent.

When Rooney landed the £4m McCann's Ready-to-Microwave Stuffed Baked Potato sponsorship deal, his agent's agent got £2.5m of it. He also got £1 million of the £3m deal with the Japanese Fashion house which (rather oddly) launched the Wayne Rooney Potato Jacket.

Anyway, when I renew my four season tickets, I thought of getting my Uncle Tian to talk to the ticket office first - posing as my agent's (Auntie Elspeth) agent - and then negotiating their fees as part of the price. They would then give me half their commission. Result!

The only issue is that they are both bright enough to latch on and get themselves agents to haggle over my deal - and quite honestly if Uncle Tian's agent's agent gets an agent and then Auntie Elspeth's agent's agent
gets an agent, I might as well just not bother because it's too much stress.

I don't say this because I can't cope with the numbers - far from it. But the point is that you could wind up with a situation where, say you have a line of 10 agents, agents' agents and agents' agents' agents etc, but the last one also has the first one as his agent. Thus they would go round in a never ending circle of agent's fees taking all the money.

Anyway, at this point I just thought, fukc that for a game of soldiers, I'll forget it and carry on writing my paper for the Veterinary Association about the amazingly tiny fleas which I've discovered which live on fleas.
Do we really have to put up with this rubbish from this poster day in day out thinking he's witty or funny and failing miserably. These psts along with rubbish about Portsmouth spoil this site!
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: The reason transfer fees etc are becoming ridiculously bloated is that there are too many agents with their fingers in the pie. Word is that Wayne Rooney's agent's agent has just got himself an agent - and that's who put the rumour out that Rooney's agent's agent had spread the tale that Rooney's agent sewed the gossip that Rooney was now a "hot potato" on the transfer market. No doubt the reason agent's agents are now getting agents is that most of the money filters up to the top agent - so it's inevitable that some grasping chancer will soon wangle in to try and become Rooney's agent's agent's agent's agent. When Rooney landed the £4m McCann's Ready-to-Microwave Stuffed Baked Potato sponsorship deal, his agent's agent got £2.5m of it. He also got £1 million of the £3m deal with the Japanese Fashion house which (rather oddly) launched the Wayne Rooney Potato Jacket. Anyway, when I renew my four season tickets, I thought of getting my Uncle Tian to talk to the ticket office first - posing as my agent's (Auntie Elspeth) agent - and then negotiating their fees as part of the price. They would then give me half their commission. Result! The only issue is that they are both bright enough to latch on and get themselves agents to haggle over my deal - and quite honestly if Uncle Tian's agent's agent gets an agent and then Auntie Elspeth's agent's agent gets an agent, I might as well just not bother because it's too much stress. I don't say this because I can't cope with the numbers - far from it. But the point is that you could wind up with a situation where, say you have a line of 10 agents, agents' agents and agents' agents' agents etc, but the last one also has the first one as his agent. Thus they would go round in a never ending circle of agent's fees taking all the money. Anyway, at this point I just thought, fukc that for a game of soldiers, I'll forget it and carry on writing my paper for the Veterinary Association about the amazingly tiny fleas which I've discovered which live on fleas.[/p][/quote]Do we really have to put up with this rubbish from this poster day in day out thinking he's witty or funny and failing miserably. These psts along with rubbish about Portsmouth spoil this site! saintlysoul
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4:17pm Fri 24 May 13

saintlysoul says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
TEBOURBA wrote:
We must trust Cortese' choice of manager MP, to make the right decisions, on who to dump and who to sign
Next season MP will be starting from scratch and then we will be able to show us just how good he really is.
I hope I'm wrong but the signs aren't that good, in his last 12 games of this season MP won one point fewer than Nigel did in his last 12 games, before Cortese chopped him!
If they rolled Artur, Kevin and Gazza in to one, they wouldn't get a PL quality goalkeeper, A is a stop gap signing, K is over the hill and G is too inexperienced.
The signing of a quality goalkeeper was a priority last summer and IMO still is.
But remember we had to nigel last season the same and was given a 37 million purse .and nigel got that wrong .not with the keeper but not getting some more defenders .had he done so he would of kept his job .It is thought nigel asked for more funds for the january transfer window .but the board decided that he had wasted enough so they made the decision to sack him and get a manager who could do better with top flight experience .but after the poor start mps objective was a rescue mission to get to 40 points as every club who lost the first 3 matches in history had been relegated.however hard the decision may have been it may well be worth 130. million .it is how mp spends the money he is given could decide his fate .but maurico is happy i think he will do well once he gets the players that works within is system , the future is bright red in white
Kenny, Nigel had very little to do with transfers, Les Reed heads that side up and has openly said so. Nigel stated he knew nothing about Forren and Forren confirmed that he had neither met nor spoken to Nigel. MoPo hasn't picked Forren so I guess he had little input into that transfer either. SFC isn't run that way. The club will talk to MoPo and involve him but they wont 'give him' a transfer budget in the old Redknapp style.
Seed bang on you got it in one!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: We must trust Cortese' choice of manager MP, to make the right decisions, on who to dump and who to sign Next season MP will be starting from scratch and then we will be able to show us just how good he really is. I hope I'm wrong but the signs aren't that good, in his last 12 games of this season MP won one point fewer than Nigel did in his last 12 games, before Cortese chopped him! If they rolled Artur, Kevin and Gazza in to one, they wouldn't get a PL quality goalkeeper, A is a stop gap signing, K is over the hill and G is too inexperienced. The signing of a quality goalkeeper was a priority last summer and IMO still is.[/p][/quote]But remember we had to nigel last season the same and was given a 37 million purse .and nigel got that wrong .not with the keeper but not getting some more defenders .had he done so he would of kept his job .It is thought nigel asked for more funds for the january transfer window .but the board decided that he had wasted enough so they made the decision to sack him and get a manager who could do better with top flight experience .but after the poor start mps objective was a rescue mission to get to 40 points as every club who lost the first 3 matches in history had been relegated.however hard the decision may have been it may well be worth 130. million .it is how mp spends the money he is given could decide his fate .but maurico is happy i think he will do well once he gets the players that works within is system , the future is bright red in white[/p][/quote]Kenny, Nigel had very little to do with transfers, Les Reed heads that side up and has openly said so. Nigel stated he knew nothing about Forren and Forren confirmed that he had neither met nor spoken to Nigel. MoPo hasn't picked Forren so I guess he had little input into that transfer either. SFC isn't run that way. The club will talk to MoPo and involve him but they wont 'give him' a transfer budget in the old Redknapp style.[/p][/quote]Seed bang on you got it in one! saintlysoul
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4:24pm Fri 24 May 13

Rob The Saint NOT in NZ says...

saintkenny wrote:
stoke is talking to mark hughes thats one relegation place settled already next season then
Ha ha! So true, Hughes is a poor, uninspiring Manager.

Who else to go down then? Two of the promoted 3 or someone like Sunderland or Norwich?
[quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: stoke is talking to mark hughes thats one relegation place settled already next season then[/p][/quote]Ha ha! So true, Hughes is a poor, uninspiring Manager. Who else to go down then? Two of the promoted 3 or someone like Sunderland or Norwich? Rob The Saint NOT in NZ
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4:27pm Fri 24 May 13

BracknellSaint says...

Rob The Saint NOT in NZ wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
stoke is talking to mark hughes thats one relegation place settled already next season then
Ha ha! So true, Hughes is a poor, uninspiring Manager.

Who else to go down then? Two of the promoted 3 or someone like Sunderland or Norwich?
Stoke, Hull and whoever wins the playoff.
[quote][p][bold]Rob The Saint NOT in NZ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: stoke is talking to mark hughes thats one relegation place settled already next season then[/p][/quote]Ha ha! So true, Hughes is a poor, uninspiring Manager. Who else to go down then? Two of the promoted 3 or someone like Sunderland or Norwich?[/p][/quote]Stoke, Hull and whoever wins the playoff. BracknellSaint
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4:31pm Fri 24 May 13

Churchill Saint says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Forecast, Butterfield, Martin, Seaborne, Dickson, Chaplow, Hammond, Forte, De Ridder, Lee, Sharp

Subs: Barnard, Richardson and 5 academy players.

Now, that's one hell of a good League 2 team.

WTFILN
I suggest a different approach. Keep them all.
Buy a L2 club in Hampshire. I've heard 1m will more than cover it. Change their name to SFC (Saints Feeder Club) and make them play in Red and White. Get rid of every player not on a contract - that leaves David Connolly. Loan remaining Saints squad and academy players to SFC. They would then play competitive football and soon get promoted to the Championship. Any players who shine can get transferred to Saints themselves, who by then will be playing in Europe.
Simples
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Forecast, Butterfield, Martin, Seaborne, Dickson, Chaplow, Hammond, Forte, De Ridder, Lee, Sharp Subs: Barnard, Richardson and 5 academy players. Now, that's one hell of a good League 2 team. WTFILN[/p][/quote]I suggest a different approach. Keep them all. Buy a L2 club in Hampshire. I've heard 1m will more than cover it. Change their name to SFC (Saints Feeder Club) and make them play in Red and White. Get rid of every player not on a contract - that leaves David Connolly. Loan remaining Saints squad and academy players to SFC. They would then play competitive football and soon get promoted to the Championship. Any players who shine can get transferred to Saints themselves, who by then will be playing in Europe. Simples Churchill Saint
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4:32pm Fri 24 May 13

Rob The Saint NOT in NZ says...

saintlysoul wrote:
Confucious wrote:
The reason transfer fees etc are becoming ridiculously bloated is that there are too many agents with their fingers in the pie.

Word is that Wayne Rooney's agent's agent has just got himself an agent - and that's who put the rumour out that Rooney's agent's agent had spread the tale that Rooney's agent sewed the gossip that Rooney was now a "hot potato" on the transfer market.

No doubt the reason agent's agents are now getting agents is that most of the money filters up to the top agent - so it's inevitable that some grasping chancer will soon wangle in to try and become Rooney's agent's agent's agent's agent.

When Rooney landed the £4m McCann's Ready-to-Microwave Stuffed Baked Potato sponsorship deal, his agent's agent got £2.5m of it. He also got £1 million of the £3m deal with the Japanese Fashion house which (rather oddly) launched the Wayne Rooney Potato Jacket.

Anyway, when I renew my four season tickets, I thought of getting my Uncle Tian to talk to the ticket office first - posing as my agent's (Auntie Elspeth) agent - and then negotiating their fees as part of the price. They would then give me half their commission. Result!

The only issue is that they are both bright enough to latch on and get themselves agents to haggle over my deal - and quite honestly if Uncle Tian's agent's agent gets an agent and then Auntie Elspeth's agent's agent
gets an agent, I might as well just not bother because it's too much stress.

I don't say this because I can't cope with the numbers - far from it. But the point is that you could wind up with a situation where, say you have a line of 10 agents, agents' agents and agents' agents' agents etc, but the last one also has the first one as his agent. Thus they would go round in a never ending circle of agent's fees taking all the money.

Anyway, at this point I just thought, fukc that for a game of soldiers, I'll forget it and carry on writing my paper for the Veterinary Association about the amazingly tiny fleas which I've discovered which live on fleas.
Do we really have to put up with this rubbish from this poster day in day out thinking he's witty or funny and failing miserably. These psts along with rubbish about Portsmouth spoil this site!
A bit harsh on Confucious.

Confucious doesn't think he's funny, he's posting in deadly seriousness after months of painstaking research into his subject areas.

I'm calling his agent's agent's agent's agent to discuss compensation for this foul slur on his character.
[quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: The reason transfer fees etc are becoming ridiculously bloated is that there are too many agents with their fingers in the pie. Word is that Wayne Rooney's agent's agent has just got himself an agent - and that's who put the rumour out that Rooney's agent's agent had spread the tale that Rooney's agent sewed the gossip that Rooney was now a "hot potato" on the transfer market. No doubt the reason agent's agents are now getting agents is that most of the money filters up to the top agent - so it's inevitable that some grasping chancer will soon wangle in to try and become Rooney's agent's agent's agent's agent. When Rooney landed the £4m McCann's Ready-to-Microwave Stuffed Baked Potato sponsorship deal, his agent's agent got £2.5m of it. He also got £1 million of the £3m deal with the Japanese Fashion house which (rather oddly) launched the Wayne Rooney Potato Jacket. Anyway, when I renew my four season tickets, I thought of getting my Uncle Tian to talk to the ticket office first - posing as my agent's (Auntie Elspeth) agent - and then negotiating their fees as part of the price. They would then give me half their commission. Result! The only issue is that they are both bright enough to latch on and get themselves agents to haggle over my deal - and quite honestly if Uncle Tian's agent's agent gets an agent and then Auntie Elspeth's agent's agent gets an agent, I might as well just not bother because it's too much stress. I don't say this because I can't cope with the numbers - far from it. But the point is that you could wind up with a situation where, say you have a line of 10 agents, agents' agents and agents' agents' agents etc, but the last one also has the first one as his agent. Thus they would go round in a never ending circle of agent's fees taking all the money. Anyway, at this point I just thought, fukc that for a game of soldiers, I'll forget it and carry on writing my paper for the Veterinary Association about the amazingly tiny fleas which I've discovered which live on fleas.[/p][/quote]Do we really have to put up with this rubbish from this poster day in day out thinking he's witty or funny and failing miserably. These psts along with rubbish about Portsmouth spoil this site![/p][/quote]A bit harsh on Confucious. Confucious doesn't think he's funny, he's posting in deadly seriousness after months of painstaking research into his subject areas. I'm calling his agent's agent's agent's agent to discuss compensation for this foul slur on his character. Rob The Saint NOT in NZ
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4:32pm Fri 24 May 13

Alicesdad says...

Be quiet - he's more entertaining than the other articles !!


Here is the news ... There has been no news this week.

Saints to make big money in next seasons Premiership - we already knew that. zzzz

Shaw linked with every club in the world - that is just the way it is. zzz

Season ticket proces..mass apathy and contentment outbreak. zzz

Wotte in Commons debate !! A play on words and names, very droll .. but no news and who cares anyway. zzzz

Tad Lee gets driving ban , unenforceable in Japan.. and we'll never see him play again anyway ...shame but apart from that zzzzzzzzz

.. and to cap it all .. a Programme Fair !!! .. this borders on being a school magazine sometimes ...

Get some news ffs !!!! Otherwise just pout up a few standard thread headings such as....

- Have a go at Cortese for no reason other than he's succesful and takes no nonsense

- MLT moans about something and you join in

- Rumours about someone who saw someone at the airport, bus station, SMS car park

- Some meaningless statistics about the last time we won four consecutive home games following a rain shower on the Friday night following a full moon the day after a hurricane in Florida....

- Terry Paine says something ....

- Poch says something

- A player says something

- Something says someone

- Somesays one thingsome

- saysome thing one some

and so on and so on ........
Be quiet - he's more entertaining than the other articles !! Here is the news ... There has been no news this week. Saints to make big money in next seasons Premiership - we already knew that. zzzz Shaw linked with every club in the world - that is just the way it is. zzz Season ticket proces..mass apathy and contentment outbreak. zzz Wotte in Commons debate !! A play on words and names, very droll .. but no news and who cares anyway. zzzz Tad Lee gets driving ban , unenforceable in Japan.. and we'll never see him play again anyway ...shame but apart from that zzzzzzzzz .. and to cap it all .. a Programme Fair !!! .. this borders on being a school magazine sometimes ... Get some news ffs !!!! Otherwise just pout up a few standard thread headings such as.... - Have a go at Cortese for no reason other than he's succesful and takes no nonsense - MLT moans about something and you join in - Rumours about someone who saw someone at the airport, bus station, SMS car park - Some meaningless statistics about the last time we won four consecutive home games following a rain shower on the Friday night following a full moon the day after a hurricane in Florida.... - Terry Paine says something .... - Poch says something - A player says something - Something says someone - Somesays one thingsome - saysome thing one some and so on and so on ........ Alicesdad
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4:35pm Fri 24 May 13

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

A Cull about time useless boys pretty boy Percy .
A Cull about time useless boys pretty boy Percy . Fatty x Ford Worker
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4:36pm Fri 24 May 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

saintlysoul wrote:
Confucious wrote:
The reason transfer fees etc are becoming ridiculously bloated is that there are too many agents with their fingers in the pie.

Word is that Wayne Rooney's agent's agent has just got himself an agent - and that's who put the rumour out that Rooney's agent's agent had spread the tale that Rooney's agent sewed the gossip that Rooney was now a "hot potato" on the transfer market.

No doubt the reason agent's agents are now getting agents is that most of the money filters up to the top agent - so it's inevitable that some grasping chancer will soon wangle in to try and become Rooney's agent's agent's agent's agent.

When Rooney landed the £4m McCann's Ready-to-Microwave Stuffed Baked Potato sponsorship deal, his agent's agent got £2.5m of it. He also got £1 million of the £3m deal with the Japanese Fashion house which (rather oddly) launched the Wayne Rooney Potato Jacket.

Anyway, when I renew my four season tickets, I thought of getting my Uncle Tian to talk to the ticket office first - posing as my agent's (Auntie Elspeth) agent - and then negotiating their fees as part of the price. They would then give me half their commission. Result!

The only issue is that they are both bright enough to latch on and get themselves agents to haggle over my deal - and quite honestly if Uncle Tian's agent's agent gets an agent and then Auntie Elspeth's agent's agent
gets an agent, I might as well just not bother because it's too much stress.

I don't say this because I can't cope with the numbers - far from it. But the point is that you could wind up with a situation where, say you have a line of 10 agents, agents' agents and agents' agents' agents etc, but the last one also has the first one as his agent. Thus they would go round in a never ending circle of agent's fees taking all the money.

Anyway, at this point I just thought, fukc that for a game of soldiers, I'll forget it and carry on writing my paper for the Veterinary Association about the amazingly tiny fleas which I've discovered which live on fleas.
Do we really have to put up with this rubbish from this poster day in day out thinking he's witty or funny and failing miserably. These psts along with rubbish about Portsmouth spoil this site!
I think you'll find you're in the minority on this one. Most posters seem to enjoy a giggle and Confucious offers it.

However, I can imagine being a little sensitive about (as you put it) 'rubbish about Portsmouth'.

Maybe I can cheer you up on this drab, Spring day. For what it's worth, I for one really rate James Ward-Prowse and can see him getting a lot more minutes on the SMS pitch next season.

There, see, there's room for banter AND serious thought on here. I just wish peeps would give the Shhhh!!!! campaign another go when 5trops and his buddies log on.
[quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: The reason transfer fees etc are becoming ridiculously bloated is that there are too many agents with their fingers in the pie. Word is that Wayne Rooney's agent's agent has just got himself an agent - and that's who put the rumour out that Rooney's agent's agent had spread the tale that Rooney's agent sewed the gossip that Rooney was now a "hot potato" on the transfer market. No doubt the reason agent's agents are now getting agents is that most of the money filters up to the top agent - so it's inevitable that some grasping chancer will soon wangle in to try and become Rooney's agent's agent's agent's agent. When Rooney landed the £4m McCann's Ready-to-Microwave Stuffed Baked Potato sponsorship deal, his agent's agent got £2.5m of it. He also got £1 million of the £3m deal with the Japanese Fashion house which (rather oddly) launched the Wayne Rooney Potato Jacket. Anyway, when I renew my four season tickets, I thought of getting my Uncle Tian to talk to the ticket office first - posing as my agent's (Auntie Elspeth) agent - and then negotiating their fees as part of the price. They would then give me half their commission. Result! The only issue is that they are both bright enough to latch on and get themselves agents to haggle over my deal - and quite honestly if Uncle Tian's agent's agent gets an agent and then Auntie Elspeth's agent's agent gets an agent, I might as well just not bother because it's too much stress. I don't say this because I can't cope with the numbers - far from it. But the point is that you could wind up with a situation where, say you have a line of 10 agents, agents' agents and agents' agents' agents etc, but the last one also has the first one as his agent. Thus they would go round in a never ending circle of agent's fees taking all the money. Anyway, at this point I just thought, fukc that for a game of soldiers, I'll forget it and carry on writing my paper for the Veterinary Association about the amazingly tiny fleas which I've discovered which live on fleas.[/p][/quote]Do we really have to put up with this rubbish from this poster day in day out thinking he's witty or funny and failing miserably. These psts along with rubbish about Portsmouth spoil this site![/p][/quote]I think you'll find you're in the minority on this one. Most posters seem to enjoy a giggle and Confucious offers it. However, I can imagine being a little sensitive about (as you put it) 'rubbish about Portsmouth'. Maybe I can cheer you up on this drab, Spring day. For what it's worth, I for one really rate James Ward-Prowse and can see him getting a lot more minutes on the SMS pitch next season. There, see, there's room for banter AND serious thought on here. I just wish peeps would give the Shhhh!!!! campaign another go when 5trops and his buddies log on. Strasbourg Saint
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4:37pm Fri 24 May 13

st1halo says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Be quiet - he's more entertaining than the other articles !!


Here is the news ... There has been no news this week.

Saints to make big money in next seasons Premiership - we already knew that. zzzz

Shaw linked with every club in the world - that is just the way it is. zzz

Season ticket proces..mass apathy and contentment outbreak. zzz

Wotte in Commons debate !! A play on words and names, very droll .. but no news and who cares anyway. zzzz

Tad Lee gets driving ban , unenforceable in Japan.. and we'll never see him play again anyway ...shame but apart from that zzzzzzzzz

.. and to cap it all .. a Programme Fair !!! .. this borders on being a school magazine sometimes ...

Get some news ffs !!!! Otherwise just pout up a few standard thread headings such as....

- Have a go at Cortese for no reason other than he's succesful and takes no nonsense

- MLT moans about something and you join in

- Rumours about someone who saw someone at the airport, bus station, SMS car park

- Some meaningless statistics about the last time we won four consecutive home games following a rain shower on the Friday night following a full moon the day after a hurricane in Florida....

- Terry Paine says something ....

- Poch says something

- A player says something

- Something says someone

- Somesays one thingsome

- saysome thing one some

and so on and so on ........
Thanks for that Alice, it pretty much sums things up. We might as well all fcuk off til August. lol

STID
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Be quiet - he's more entertaining than the other articles !! Here is the news ... There has been no news this week. Saints to make big money in next seasons Premiership - we already knew that. zzzz Shaw linked with every club in the world - that is just the way it is. zzz Season ticket proces..mass apathy and contentment outbreak. zzz Wotte in Commons debate !! A play on words and names, very droll .. but no news and who cares anyway. zzzz Tad Lee gets driving ban , unenforceable in Japan.. and we'll never see him play again anyway ...shame but apart from that zzzzzzzzz .. and to cap it all .. a Programme Fair !!! .. this borders on being a school magazine sometimes ... Get some news ffs !!!! Otherwise just pout up a few standard thread headings such as.... - Have a go at Cortese for no reason other than he's succesful and takes no nonsense - MLT moans about something and you join in - Rumours about someone who saw someone at the airport, bus station, SMS car park - Some meaningless statistics about the last time we won four consecutive home games following a rain shower on the Friday night following a full moon the day after a hurricane in Florida.... - Terry Paine says something .... - Poch says something - A player says something - Something says someone - Somesays one thingsome - saysome thing one some and so on and so on ........[/p][/quote]Thanks for that Alice, it pretty much sums things up. We might as well all fcuk off til August. lol STID st1halo
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4:39pm Fri 24 May 13

Chriops says...

saintkenny wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
TEBOURBA wrote:
We must trust Cortese' choice of manager MP, to make the right decisions, on who to dump and who to sign
Next season MP will be starting from scratch and then we will be able to show us just how good he really is.
I hope I'm wrong but the signs aren't that good, in his last 12 games of this season MP won one point fewer than Nigel did in his last 12 games, before Cortese chopped him!
If they rolled Artur, Kevin and Gazza in to one, they wouldn't get a PL quality goalkeeper, A is a stop gap signing, K is over the hill and G is too inexperienced.
The signing of a quality goalkeeper was a priority last summer and IMO still is.
But remember we had to nigel last season the same and was given a 37 million purse .and nigel got that wrong .not with the keeper but not getting some more defenders .had he done so he would of kept his job .It is thought nigel asked for more funds for the january transfer window .but the board decided that he had wasted enough so they made the decision to sack him and get a manager who could do better with top flight experience .but after the poor start mps objective was a rescue mission to get to 40 points as every club who lost the first 3 matches in history had been relegated.however hard the decision may have been it may well be worth 130. million .it is how mp spends the money he is given could decide his fate .but maurico is happy i think he will do well once he gets the players that works within is system , the future is bright red in white
Kenny, Nigel had very little to do with transfers, Les Reed heads that side up and has openly said so. Nigel stated he knew nothing about Forren and Forren confirmed that he had neither met nor spoken to Nigel. MoPo hasn't picked Forren so I guess he had little input into that transfer either. SFC isn't run that way. The club will talk to MoPo and involve him but they wont 'give him' a transfer budget in the old Redknapp style.
nigel all ready stated before he wanted gaston your wrong the club is run that way .and thats why nigel was sacked before the transfer window he had already had 37 million to spend .all players settle the deals with the chairman .here is a list of players chosen by managers .lambert hammond guly butterfield richardson puncheon . all signed by pardew .fox chaplow hoovield deridder fonte clyne gaston mayuka lee cork jay rod yoshida gazzinaga all singed by adkins .forren was agreed with maurico who knew he was going to be appointed 4 weeks before announced but to close to the transfer window maurico is now deciding who he wants and who is not needed .the managers choice this is how the club is run .importantly jayrod and gaston flopped under adkins and did look a waste of money but maurico got the best out of them they looked different players .That for me made is appointment look the right decision .and possibly worth 130 million had we gone down with adkins .as we still could of done .it was a 130 million decision for cortesse lets be fair
Kenny - a while back Les Reed did an interview, and laid out his role at Southampton. He also laid out how the club was set up, and how they had taken away the majority of responsibility from the manager. He stated that the manager (then Nigel Adkins) was only in charge of 5 staff, which were his first team training staff - (ie Andy Crosby, Wilkins, goal keeping coach etc). This model allowed NC to remove Nigel and his staff relatively cheaply, but also lessened the impact that changing the manager had on the whole club. Les also stated that he headed a small team responsible for identifying the right players to sign...

From what Les Reed said, the Saints Manager is involved in picking his players, but I got the impression that he was involved in suggesting players to scout, and maybe had the final pick of a pre-selected group of players, however Seed is right that Southampton don't have a typically English setup behind the scenes.
[quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: We must trust Cortese' choice of manager MP, to make the right decisions, on who to dump and who to sign Next season MP will be starting from scratch and then we will be able to show us just how good he really is. I hope I'm wrong but the signs aren't that good, in his last 12 games of this season MP won one point fewer than Nigel did in his last 12 games, before Cortese chopped him! If they rolled Artur, Kevin and Gazza in to one, they wouldn't get a PL quality goalkeeper, A is a stop gap signing, K is over the hill and G is too inexperienced. The signing of a quality goalkeeper was a priority last summer and IMO still is.[/p][/quote]But remember we had to nigel last season the same and was given a 37 million purse .and nigel got that wrong .not with the keeper but not getting some more defenders .had he done so he would of kept his job .It is thought nigel asked for more funds for the january transfer window .but the board decided that he had wasted enough so they made the decision to sack him and get a manager who could do better with top flight experience .but after the poor start mps objective was a rescue mission to get to 40 points as every club who lost the first 3 matches in history had been relegated.however hard the decision may have been it may well be worth 130. million .it is how mp spends the money he is given could decide his fate .but maurico is happy i think he will do well once he gets the players that works within is system , the future is bright red in white[/p][/quote]Kenny, Nigel had very little to do with transfers, Les Reed heads that side up and has openly said so. Nigel stated he knew nothing about Forren and Forren confirmed that he had neither met nor spoken to Nigel. MoPo hasn't picked Forren so I guess he had little input into that transfer either. SFC isn't run that way. The club will talk to MoPo and involve him but they wont 'give him' a transfer budget in the old Redknapp style.[/p][/quote]nigel all ready stated before he wanted gaston your wrong the club is run that way .and thats why nigel was sacked before the transfer window he had already had 37 million to spend .all players settle the deals with the chairman .here is a list of players chosen by managers .lambert hammond guly butterfield richardson puncheon . all signed by pardew .fox chaplow hoovield deridder fonte clyne gaston mayuka lee cork jay rod yoshida gazzinaga all singed by adkins .forren was agreed with maurico who knew he was going to be appointed 4 weeks before announced but to close to the transfer window maurico is now deciding who he wants and who is not needed .the managers choice this is how the club is run .importantly jayrod and gaston flopped under adkins and did look a waste of money but maurico got the best out of them they looked different players .That for me made is appointment look the right decision .and possibly worth 130 million had we gone down with adkins .as we still could of done .it was a 130 million decision for cortesse lets be fair[/p][/quote]Kenny - a while back Les Reed did an interview, and laid out his role at Southampton. He also laid out how the club was set up, and how they had taken away the majority of responsibility from the manager. He stated that the manager (then Nigel Adkins) was only in charge of 5 staff, which were his first team training staff - (ie Andy Crosby, Wilkins, goal keeping coach etc). This model allowed NC to remove Nigel and his staff relatively cheaply, but also lessened the impact that changing the manager had on the whole club. Les also stated that he headed a small team responsible for identifying the right players to sign... From what Les Reed said, the Saints Manager is involved in picking his players, but I got the impression that he was involved in suggesting players to scout, and maybe had the final pick of a pre-selected group of players, however Seed is right that Southampton don't have a typically English setup behind the scenes. Chriops
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4:40pm Fri 24 May 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

Churchill Saint wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Forecast, Butterfield, Martin, Seaborne, Dickson, Chaplow, Hammond, Forte, De Ridder, Lee, Sharp

Subs: Barnard, Richardson and 5 academy players.

Now, that's one hell of a good League 2 team.

WTFILN
I suggest a different approach. Keep them all.
Buy a L2 club in Hampshire. I've heard 1m will more than cover it. Change their name to SFC (Saints Feeder Club) and make them play in Red and White. Get rid of every player not on a contract - that leaves David Connolly. Loan remaining Saints squad and academy players to SFC. They would then play competitive football and soon get promoted to the Championship. Any players who shine can get transferred to Saints themselves, who by then will be playing in Europe.
Simples
It works in other European countries. Last w/e I saw Racing Strasbourg against PSG2 (in the '4th' division - about the equivelent of the Conference South, I'd say).

Mind you, the team I listed here would have beaten the poo out of PSG2.
[quote][p][bold]Churchill Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Forecast, Butterfield, Martin, Seaborne, Dickson, Chaplow, Hammond, Forte, De Ridder, Lee, Sharp Subs: Barnard, Richardson and 5 academy players. Now, that's one hell of a good League 2 team. WTFILN[/p][/quote]I suggest a different approach. Keep them all. Buy a L2 club in Hampshire. I've heard 1m will more than cover it. Change their name to SFC (Saints Feeder Club) and make them play in Red and White. Get rid of every player not on a contract - that leaves David Connolly. Loan remaining Saints squad and academy players to SFC. They would then play competitive football and soon get promoted to the Championship. Any players who shine can get transferred to Saints themselves, who by then will be playing in Europe. Simples[/p][/quote]It works in other European countries. Last w/e I saw Racing Strasbourg against PSG2 (in the '4th' division - about the equivelent of the Conference South, I'd say). Mind you, the team I listed here would have beaten the poo out of PSG2. Strasbourg Saint
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4:42pm Fri 24 May 13

Buddy SFC says...

saintlysoul wrote:
Confucious wrote:
The reason transfer fees etc are becoming ridiculously bloated is that there are too many agents with their fingers in the pie.

Word is that Wayne Rooney's agent's agent has just got himself an agent - and that's who put the rumour out that Rooney's agent's agent had spread the tale that Rooney's agent sewed the gossip that Rooney was now a "hot potato" on the transfer market.

No doubt the reason agent's agents are now getting agents is that most of the money filters up to the top agent - so it's inevitable that some grasping chancer will soon wangle in to try and become Rooney's agent's agent's agent's agent.

When Rooney landed the £4m McCann's Ready-to-Microwave Stuffed Baked Potato sponsorship deal, his agent's agent got £2.5m of it. He also got £1 million of the £3m deal with the Japanese Fashion house which (rather oddly) launched the Wayne Rooney Potato Jacket.

Anyway, when I renew my four season tickets, I thought of getting my Uncle Tian to talk to the ticket office first - posing as my agent's (Auntie Elspeth) agent - and then negotiating their fees as part of the price. They would then give me half their commission. Result!

The only issue is that they are both bright enough to latch on and get themselves agents to haggle over my deal - and quite honestly if Uncle Tian's agent's agent gets an agent and then Auntie Elspeth's agent's agent
gets an agent, I might as well just not bother because it's too much stress.

I don't say this because I can't cope with the numbers - far from it. But the point is that you could wind up with a situation where, say you have a line of 10 agents, agents' agents and agents' agents' agents etc, but the last one also has the first one as his agent. Thus they would go round in a never ending circle of agent's fees taking all the money.

Anyway, at this point I just thought, fukc that for a game of soldiers, I'll forget it and carry on writing my paper for the Veterinary Association about the amazingly tiny fleas which I've discovered which live on fleas.
Do we really have to put up with this rubbish from this poster day in day out thinking he's witty or funny and failing miserably. These psts along with rubbish about Portsmouth spoil this site!
What planet are you on ........... !!!

Without Saints thread Supporter of the year I would have definitely turned to drink in November and April ..............

On a more serious note , he shows more intellect and capacity to amuse than the rest of the thread put together , which includes myself , and I'm pretty sure the majority would agree ??????.............
[quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: The reason transfer fees etc are becoming ridiculously bloated is that there are too many agents with their fingers in the pie. Word is that Wayne Rooney's agent's agent has just got himself an agent - and that's who put the rumour out that Rooney's agent's agent had spread the tale that Rooney's agent sewed the gossip that Rooney was now a "hot potato" on the transfer market. No doubt the reason agent's agents are now getting agents is that most of the money filters up to the top agent - so it's inevitable that some grasping chancer will soon wangle in to try and become Rooney's agent's agent's agent's agent. When Rooney landed the £4m McCann's Ready-to-Microwave Stuffed Baked Potato sponsorship deal, his agent's agent got £2.5m of it. He also got £1 million of the £3m deal with the Japanese Fashion house which (rather oddly) launched the Wayne Rooney Potato Jacket. Anyway, when I renew my four season tickets, I thought of getting my Uncle Tian to talk to the ticket office first - posing as my agent's (Auntie Elspeth) agent - and then negotiating their fees as part of the price. They would then give me half their commission. Result! The only issue is that they are both bright enough to latch on and get themselves agents to haggle over my deal - and quite honestly if Uncle Tian's agent's agent gets an agent and then Auntie Elspeth's agent's agent gets an agent, I might as well just not bother because it's too much stress. I don't say this because I can't cope with the numbers - far from it. But the point is that you could wind up with a situation where, say you have a line of 10 agents, agents' agents and agents' agents' agents etc, but the last one also has the first one as his agent. Thus they would go round in a never ending circle of agent's fees taking all the money. Anyway, at this point I just thought, fukc that for a game of soldiers, I'll forget it and carry on writing my paper for the Veterinary Association about the amazingly tiny fleas which I've discovered which live on fleas.[/p][/quote]Do we really have to put up with this rubbish from this poster day in day out thinking he's witty or funny and failing miserably. These psts along with rubbish about Portsmouth spoil this site![/p][/quote]What planet are you on ........... !!! Without Saints thread Supporter of the year I would have definitely turned to drink in November and April .............. On a more serious note , he shows more intellect and capacity to amuse than the rest of the thread put together , which includes myself , and I'm pretty sure the majority would agree ??????............. Buddy SFC
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4:42pm Fri 24 May 13

Winchester Saint says...

I suspect Lee will probably be sold back to his old club in Japan permanently as he hasn't played for us any longer.

I think De Ridder and others in the list will no longer needed by MP so they'll be gone by next season so we'll say cheerio and good luck to them.

Bye Bye!
I suspect Lee will probably be sold back to his old club in Japan permanently as he hasn't played for us any longer. I think De Ridder and others in the list will no longer needed by MP so they'll be gone by next season so we'll say cheerio and good luck to them. Bye Bye! Winchester Saint
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4:43pm Fri 24 May 13

Alicesdad says...

Many thanks... A bit drastic as we all like to have a banter .. but after this weeks meagre threads you know I might just do that !!

Did you notice I missed out

- Cortese says something

Now THAT would be news..... because everytime he has spoken its been worth listening to.
Many thanks... A bit drastic as we all like to have a banter .. but after this weeks meagre threads you know I might just do that !! Did you notice I missed out - Cortese says something Now THAT would be news..... because everytime he has spoken its been worth listening to. Alicesdad
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4:46pm Fri 24 May 13

Alicesdad says...

I can't be bothered to page up ... what was this thread about again?
I can't be bothered to page up ... what was this thread about again? Alicesdad
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4:46pm Fri 24 May 13

right back in the bar says...

BracknellSaint wrote:
Rob The Saint NOT in NZ wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
stoke is talking to mark hughes thats one relegation place settled already next season then
Ha ha! So true, Hughes is a poor, uninspiring Manager.

Who else to go down then? Two of the promoted 3 or someone like Sunderland or Norwich?
Stoke, Hull and whoever wins the playoff.
Stoke, Hull, Watford/Palace and Sunderland will do well to stay up - their manager is a mad man and an idiot and can be totally relied on to lose the dressing room. Norwich maybe. Apart from those teams and the top 6 everyone else will be taking points off each other and it will be tough. bring some quality in though and we can finish 7th.
[quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rob The Saint NOT in NZ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: stoke is talking to mark hughes thats one relegation place settled already next season then[/p][/quote]Ha ha! So true, Hughes is a poor, uninspiring Manager. Who else to go down then? Two of the promoted 3 or someone like Sunderland or Norwich?[/p][/quote]Stoke, Hull and whoever wins the playoff.[/p][/quote]Stoke, Hull, Watford/Palace and Sunderland will do well to stay up - their manager is a mad man and an idiot and can be totally relied on to lose the dressing room. Norwich maybe. Apart from those teams and the top 6 everyone else will be taking points off each other and it will be tough. bring some quality in though and we can finish 7th. right back in the bar
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4:47pm Fri 24 May 13

st1halo says...

saintlysoul wrote:
Confucious wrote:
The reason transfer fees etc are becoming ridiculously bloated is that there are too many agents with their fingers in the pie.

Word is that Wayne Rooney's agent's agent has just got himself an agent - and that's who put the rumour out that Rooney's agent's agent had spread the tale that Rooney's agent sewed the gossip that Rooney was now a "hot potato" on the transfer market.

No doubt the reason agent's agents are now getting agents is that most of the money filters up to the top agent - so it's inevitable that some grasping chancer will soon wangle in to try and become Rooney's agent's agent's agent's agent.

When Rooney landed the £4m McCann's Ready-to-Microwave Stuffed Baked Potato sponsorship deal, his agent's agent got £2.5m of it. He also got £1 million of the £3m deal with the Japanese Fashion house which (rather oddly) launched the Wayne Rooney Potato Jacket.

Anyway, when I renew my four season tickets, I thought of getting my Uncle Tian to talk to the ticket office first - posing as my agent's (Auntie Elspeth) agent - and then negotiating their fees as part of the price. They would then give me half their commission. Result!

The only issue is that they are both bright enough to latch on and get themselves agents to haggle over my deal - and quite honestly if Uncle Tian's agent's agent gets an agent and then Auntie Elspeth's agent's agent
gets an agent, I might as well just not bother because it's too much stress.

I don't say this because I can't cope with the numbers - far from it. But the point is that you could wind up with a situation where, say you have a line of 10 agents, agents' agents and agents' agents' agents etc, but the last one also has the first one as his agent. Thus they would go round in a never ending circle of agent's fees taking all the money.

Anyway, at this point I just thought, fukc that for a game of soldiers, I'll forget it and carry on writing my paper for the Veterinary Association about the amazingly tiny fleas which I've discovered which live on fleas.
Do we really have to put up with this rubbish from this poster day in day out thinking he's witty or funny and failing miserably. These psts along with rubbish about Portsmouth spoil this site!
Personally I really enjoy his posts and some of the Pompey banter is awesome (I refer to the 007 banter and songs last campaign as an example)

I know you think we all wait with baited breath for your endless line-up predictions and the constant advocating of JWP but I can assure you it's not the case.

I would say get a sense of humour but as I've said that to you before, I have come to realise it's not gonna happen.


STID
[quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: The reason transfer fees etc are becoming ridiculously bloated is that there are too many agents with their fingers in the pie. Word is that Wayne Rooney's agent's agent has just got himself an agent - and that's who put the rumour out that Rooney's agent's agent had spread the tale that Rooney's agent sewed the gossip that Rooney was now a "hot potato" on the transfer market. No doubt the reason agent's agents are now getting agents is that most of the money filters up to the top agent - so it's inevitable that some grasping chancer will soon wangle in to try and become Rooney's agent's agent's agent's agent. When Rooney landed the £4m McCann's Ready-to-Microwave Stuffed Baked Potato sponsorship deal, his agent's agent got £2.5m of it. He also got £1 million of the £3m deal with the Japanese Fashion house which (rather oddly) launched the Wayne Rooney Potato Jacket. Anyway, when I renew my four season tickets, I thought of getting my Uncle Tian to talk to the ticket office first - posing as my agent's (Auntie Elspeth) agent - and then negotiating their fees as part of the price. They would then give me half their commission. Result! The only issue is that they are both bright enough to latch on and get themselves agents to haggle over my deal - and quite honestly if Uncle Tian's agent's agent gets an agent and then Auntie Elspeth's agent's agent gets an agent, I might as well just not bother because it's too much stress. I don't say this because I can't cope with the numbers - far from it. But the point is that you could wind up with a situation where, say you have a line of 10 agents, agents' agents and agents' agents' agents etc, but the last one also has the first one as his agent. Thus they would go round in a never ending circle of agent's fees taking all the money. Anyway, at this point I just thought, fukc that for a game of soldiers, I'll forget it and carry on writing my paper for the Veterinary Association about the amazingly tiny fleas which I've discovered which live on fleas.[/p][/quote]Do we really have to put up with this rubbish from this poster day in day out thinking he's witty or funny and failing miserably. These psts along with rubbish about Portsmouth spoil this site![/p][/quote]Personally I really enjoy his posts and some of the Pompey banter is awesome (I refer to the 007 banter and songs last campaign as an example) I know you think we all wait with baited breath for your endless line-up predictions and the constant advocating of JWP but I can assure you it's not the case. I would say get a sense of humour but as I've said that to you before, I have come to realise it's not gonna happen. STID st1halo
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4:52pm Fri 24 May 13

st1halo says...

Alicesdad wrote:
I can't be bothered to page up ... what was this thread about again?
I think it was about @rse cheeks and why they take longer to dry than other body parts when you get out of the bath!

STID
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: I can't be bothered to page up ... what was this thread about again?[/p][/quote]I think it was about @rse cheeks and why they take longer to dry than other body parts when you get out of the bath! STID st1halo
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4:55pm Fri 24 May 13

st1halo says...

Is it August yet?
Is it August yet? st1halo
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5:06pm Fri 24 May 13

st1halo says...

This one goes out to Saintlysoul.

I was talking to Jason Puncheon the other day and remarked about his toilet escapade.

st1h: In all the years I've been watching Saints I can never remember one of our players going off mid-match for a Tomtit. Quite amazing.

JP: You think that's amazing halo? Let me tell you when I finished emptying my bowels, I turned around, looked in the bowl and there was a perfect replica of Fratton Park!

STID
This one goes out to Saintlysoul. I was talking to Jason Puncheon the other day and remarked about his toilet escapade. st1h: In all the years I've been watching Saints I can never remember one of our players going off mid-match for a Tomtit. Quite amazing. JP: You think that's amazing halo? Let me tell you when I finished emptying my bowels, I turned around, looked in the bowl and there was a perfect replica of Fratton Park! STID st1halo
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5:09pm Fri 24 May 13

BracknellSaint says...

right back in the bar wrote:
BracknellSaint wrote:
Rob The Saint NOT in NZ wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
stoke is talking to mark hughes thats one relegation place settled already next season then
Ha ha! So true, Hughes is a poor, uninspiring Manager.

Who else to go down then? Two of the promoted 3 or someone like Sunderland or Norwich?
Stoke, Hull and whoever wins the playoff.
Stoke, Hull, Watford/Palace and Sunderland will do well to stay up - their manager is a mad man and an idiot and can be totally relied on to lose the dressing room. Norwich maybe. Apart from those teams and the top 6 everyone else will be taking points off each other and it will be tough. bring some quality in though and we can finish 7th.
Totally agree.
I think 7th/8th is where we'll be, and agree what you say about the teams who will struggle.
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rob The Saint NOT in NZ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: stoke is talking to mark hughes thats one relegation place settled already next season then[/p][/quote]Ha ha! So true, Hughes is a poor, uninspiring Manager. Who else to go down then? Two of the promoted 3 or someone like Sunderland or Norwich?[/p][/quote]Stoke, Hull and whoever wins the playoff.[/p][/quote]Stoke, Hull, Watford/Palace and Sunderland will do well to stay up - their manager is a mad man and an idiot and can be totally relied on to lose the dressing room. Norwich maybe. Apart from those teams and the top 6 everyone else will be taking points off each other and it will be tough. bring some quality in though and we can finish 7th.[/p][/quote]Totally agree. I think 7th/8th is where we'll be, and agree what you say about the teams who will struggle. BracknellSaint
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5:09pm Fri 24 May 13

saintlysoul says...

st1halo wrote:
saintlysoul wrote:
Confucious wrote:
The reason transfer fees etc are becoming ridiculously bloated is that there are too many agents with their fingers in the pie.

Word is that Wayne Rooney's agent's agent has just got himself an agent - and that's who put the rumour out that Rooney's agent's agent had spread the tale that Rooney's agent sewed the gossip that Rooney was now a "hot potato" on the transfer market.

No doubt the reason agent's agents are now getting agents is that most of the money filters up to the top agent - so it's inevitable that some grasping chancer will soon wangle in to try and become Rooney's agent's agent's agent's agent.

When Rooney landed the £4m McCann's Ready-to-Microwave Stuffed Baked Potato sponsorship deal, his agent's agent got £2.5m of it. He also got £1 million of the £3m deal with the Japanese Fashion house which (rather oddly) launched the Wayne Rooney Potato Jacket.

Anyway, when I renew my four season tickets, I thought of getting my Uncle Tian to talk to the ticket office first - posing as my agent's (Auntie Elspeth) agent - and then negotiating their fees as part of the price. They would then give me half their commission. Result!

The only issue is that they are both bright enough to latch on and get themselves agents to haggle over my deal - and quite honestly if Uncle Tian's agent's agent gets an agent and then Auntie Elspeth's agent's agent
gets an agent, I might as well just not bother because it's too much stress.

I don't say this because I can't cope with the numbers - far from it. But the point is that you could wind up with a situation where, say you have a line of 10 agents, agents' agents and agents' agents' agents etc, but the last one also has the first one as his agent. Thus they would go round in a never ending circle of agent's fees taking all the money.

Anyway, at this point I just thought, fukc that for a game of soldiers, I'll forget it and carry on writing my paper for the Veterinary Association about the amazingly tiny fleas which I've discovered which live on fleas.
Do we really have to put up with this rubbish from this poster day in day out thinking he's witty or funny and failing miserably. These psts along with rubbish about Portsmouth spoil this site!
Personally I really enjoy his posts and some of the Pompey banter is awesome (I refer to the 007 banter and songs last campaign as an example)

I know you think we all wait with baited breath for your endless line-up predictions and the constant advocating of JWP but I can assure you it's not the case.

I would say get a sense of humour but as I've said that to you before, I have come to realise it's not gonna happen.


STID
I don't expect anyone to wait with baited breath on anything I post on here. As for the player I'm not allowed to mention, well you all know my view. I just find comments more applicable to a satirical / comedy site rather than a site where serious football are being or supposed to be discussed that's all.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: The reason transfer fees etc are becoming ridiculously bloated is that there are too many agents with their fingers in the pie. Word is that Wayne Rooney's agent's agent has just got himself an agent - and that's who put the rumour out that Rooney's agent's agent had spread the tale that Rooney's agent sewed the gossip that Rooney was now a "hot potato" on the transfer market. No doubt the reason agent's agents are now getting agents is that most of the money filters up to the top agent - so it's inevitable that some grasping chancer will soon wangle in to try and become Rooney's agent's agent's agent's agent. When Rooney landed the £4m McCann's Ready-to-Microwave Stuffed Baked Potato sponsorship deal, his agent's agent got £2.5m of it. He also got £1 million of the £3m deal with the Japanese Fashion house which (rather oddly) launched the Wayne Rooney Potato Jacket. Anyway, when I renew my four season tickets, I thought of getting my Uncle Tian to talk to the ticket office first - posing as my agent's (Auntie Elspeth) agent - and then negotiating their fees as part of the price. They would then give me half their commission. Result! The only issue is that they are both bright enough to latch on and get themselves agents to haggle over my deal - and quite honestly if Uncle Tian's agent's agent gets an agent and then Auntie Elspeth's agent's agent gets an agent, I might as well just not bother because it's too much stress. I don't say this because I can't cope with the numbers - far from it. But the point is that you could wind up with a situation where, say you have a line of 10 agents, agents' agents and agents' agents' agents etc, but the last one also has the first one as his agent. Thus they would go round in a never ending circle of agent's fees taking all the money. Anyway, at this point I just thought, fukc that for a game of soldiers, I'll forget it and carry on writing my paper for the Veterinary Association about the amazingly tiny fleas which I've discovered which live on fleas.[/p][/quote]Do we really have to put up with this rubbish from this poster day in day out thinking he's witty or funny and failing miserably. These psts along with rubbish about Portsmouth spoil this site![/p][/quote]Personally I really enjoy his posts and some of the Pompey banter is awesome (I refer to the 007 banter and songs last campaign as an example) I know you think we all wait with baited breath for your endless line-up predictions and the constant advocating of JWP but I can assure you it's not the case. I would say get a sense of humour but as I've said that to you before, I have come to realise it's not gonna happen. STID[/p][/quote]I don't expect anyone to wait with baited breath on anything I post on here. As for the player I'm not allowed to mention, well you all know my view. I just find comments more applicable to a satirical / comedy site rather than a site where serious football are being or supposed to be discussed that's all. saintlysoul
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5:11pm Fri 24 May 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

st1halo wrote:
Is it August yet?
IMO, some on here are already pretty august.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: Is it August yet?[/p][/quote]IMO, some on here are already pretty august. Strasbourg Saint
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5:38pm Fri 24 May 13

Confucious says...

saintlysoul wrote:
Confucious wrote:
The reason transfer fees etc are becoming ridiculously bloated is that there are too many agents with their fingers in the pie.

Word is that Wayne Rooney's agent's agent has just got himself an agent - and that's who put the rumour out that Rooney's agent's agent had spread the tale that Rooney's agent sewed the gossip that Rooney was now a "hot potato" on the transfer market.

No doubt the reason agent's agents are now getting agents is that most of the money filters up to the top agent - so it's inevitable that some grasping chancer will soon wangle in to try and become Rooney's agent's agent's agent's agent.

When Rooney landed the £4m McCann's Ready-to-Microwave Stuffed Baked Potato sponsorship deal, his agent's agent got £2.5m of it. He also got £1 million of the £3m deal with the Japanese Fashion house which (rather oddly) launched the Wayne Rooney Potato Jacket.

Anyway, when I renew my four season tickets, I thought of getting my Uncle Tian to talk to the ticket office first - posing as my agent's (Auntie Elspeth) agent - and then negotiating their fees as part of the price. They would then give me half their commission. Result!

The only issue is that they are both bright enough to latch on and get themselves agents to haggle over my deal - and quite honestly if Uncle Tian's agent's agent gets an agent and then Auntie Elspeth's agent's agent
gets an agent, I might as well just not bother because it's too much stress.

I don't say this because I can't cope with the numbers - far from it. But the point is that you could wind up with a situation where, say you have a line of 10 agents, agents' agents and agents' agents' agents etc, but the last one also has the first one as his agent. Thus they would go round in a never ending circle of agent's fees taking all the money.

Anyway, at this point I just thought, fukc that for a game of soldiers, I'll forget it and carry on writing my paper for the Veterinary Association about the amazingly tiny fleas which I've discovered which live on fleas.
Do we really have to put up with this rubbish from this poster day in day out thinking he's witty or funny and failing miserably. These psts along with rubbish about Portsmouth spoil this site!
You must be an agent.

I don't do humour - only serious posts.

I stopped doing humour when I realised the people on here have a habit of dissecting it. The result of that is the same as when you dissect a frog - the thing dies and the innards are a tangled mess.

I do, however, also find the constant posts about Portsmouth quite sickening. I don't why, but every time I even see the word Portsmouth, I'm sick.
[quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: The reason transfer fees etc are becoming ridiculously bloated is that there are too many agents with their fingers in the pie. Word is that Wayne Rooney's agent's agent has just got himself an agent - and that's who put the rumour out that Rooney's agent's agent had spread the tale that Rooney's agent sewed the gossip that Rooney was now a "hot potato" on the transfer market. No doubt the reason agent's agents are now getting agents is that most of the money filters up to the top agent - so it's inevitable that some grasping chancer will soon wangle in to try and become Rooney's agent's agent's agent's agent. When Rooney landed the £4m McCann's Ready-to-Microwave Stuffed Baked Potato sponsorship deal, his agent's agent got £2.5m of it. He also got £1 million of the £3m deal with the Japanese Fashion house which (rather oddly) launched the Wayne Rooney Potato Jacket. Anyway, when I renew my four season tickets, I thought of getting my Uncle Tian to talk to the ticket office first - posing as my agent's (Auntie Elspeth) agent - and then negotiating their fees as part of the price. They would then give me half their commission. Result! The only issue is that they are both bright enough to latch on and get themselves agents to haggle over my deal - and quite honestly if Uncle Tian's agent's agent gets an agent and then Auntie Elspeth's agent's agent gets an agent, I might as well just not bother because it's too much stress. I don't say this because I can't cope with the numbers - far from it. But the point is that you could wind up with a situation where, say you have a line of 10 agents, agents' agents and agents' agents' agents etc, but the last one also has the first one as his agent. Thus they would go round in a never ending circle of agent's fees taking all the money. Anyway, at this point I just thought, fukc that for a game of soldiers, I'll forget it and carry on writing my paper for the Veterinary Association about the amazingly tiny fleas which I've discovered which live on fleas.[/p][/quote]Do we really have to put up with this rubbish from this poster day in day out thinking he's witty or funny and failing miserably. These psts along with rubbish about Portsmouth spoil this site![/p][/quote]You must be an agent. I don't do humour - only serious posts. I stopped doing humour when I realised the people on here have a habit of dissecting it. The result of that is the same as when you dissect a frog - the thing dies and the innards are a tangled mess. I do, however, also find the constant posts about Portsmouth quite sickening. I don't why, but every time I even see the word Portsmouth, I'm sick. Confucious
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6:00pm Fri 24 May 13

slugger says...

James's dad is getting tetchy lol.
James's dad is getting tetchy lol. slugger
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6:03pm Fri 24 May 13

Rob The Saint NOT in NZ says...

saintlysoul wrote:
st1halo wrote:
saintlysoul wrote:
Confucious wrote:
The reason transfer fees etc are becoming ridiculously bloated is that there are too many agents with their fingers in the pie.

Word is that Wayne Rooney's agent's agent has just got himself an agent - and that's who put the rumour out that Rooney's agent's agent had spread the tale that Rooney's agent sewed the gossip that Rooney was now a "hot potato" on the transfer market.

No doubt the reason agent's agents are now getting agents is that most of the money filters up to the top agent - so it's inevitable that some grasping chancer will soon wangle in to try and become Rooney's agent's agent's agent's agent.

When Rooney landed the £4m McCann's Ready-to-Microwave Stuffed Baked Potato sponsorship deal, his agent's agent got £2.5m of it. He also got £1 million of the £3m deal with the Japanese Fashion house which (rather oddly) launched the Wayne Rooney Potato Jacket.

Anyway, when I renew my four season tickets, I thought of getting my Uncle Tian to talk to the ticket office first - posing as my agent's (Auntie Elspeth) agent - and then negotiating their fees as part of the price. They would then give me half their commission. Result!

The only issue is that they are both bright enough to latch on and get themselves agents to haggle over my deal - and quite honestly if Uncle Tian's agent's agent gets an agent and then Auntie Elspeth's agent's agent
gets an agent, I might as well just not bother because it's too much stress.

I don't say this because I can't cope with the numbers - far from it. But the point is that you could wind up with a situation where, say you have a line of 10 agents, agents' agents and agents' agents' agents etc, but the last one also has the first one as his agent. Thus they would go round in a never ending circle of agent's fees taking all the money.

Anyway, at this point I just thought, fukc that for a game of soldiers, I'll forget it and carry on writing my paper for the Veterinary Association about the amazingly tiny fleas which I've discovered which live on fleas.
Do we really have to put up with this rubbish from this poster day in day out thinking he's witty or funny and failing miserably. These psts along with rubbish about Portsmouth spoil this site!
Personally I really enjoy his posts and some of the Pompey banter is awesome (I refer to the 007 banter and songs last campaign as an example)

I know you think we all wait with baited breath for your endless line-up predictions and the constant advocating of JWP but I can assure you it's not the case.

I would say get a sense of humour but as I've said that to you before, I have come to realise it's not gonna happen.


STID
I don't expect anyone to wait with baited breath on anything I post on here. As for the player I'm not allowed to mention, well you all know my view. I just find comments more applicable to a satirical / comedy site rather than a site where serious football are being or supposed to be discussed that's all.
It's not serious, only some of the people discussing it.

Lighten up please, it's a long time until kick off!
[quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: The reason transfer fees etc are becoming ridiculously bloated is that there are too many agents with their fingers in the pie. Word is that Wayne Rooney's agent's agent has just got himself an agent - and that's who put the rumour out that Rooney's agent's agent had spread the tale that Rooney's agent sewed the gossip that Rooney was now a "hot potato" on the transfer market. No doubt the reason agent's agents are now getting agents is that most of the money filters up to the top agent - so it's inevitable that some grasping chancer will soon wangle in to try and become Rooney's agent's agent's agent's agent. When Rooney landed the £4m McCann's Ready-to-Microwave Stuffed Baked Potato sponsorship deal, his agent's agent got £2.5m of it. He also got £1 million of the £3m deal with the Japanese Fashion house which (rather oddly) launched the Wayne Rooney Potato Jacket. Anyway, when I renew my four season tickets, I thought of getting my Uncle Tian to talk to the ticket office first - posing as my agent's (Auntie Elspeth) agent - and then negotiating their fees as part of the price. They would then give me half their commission. Result! The only issue is that they are both bright enough to latch on and get themselves agents to haggle over my deal - and quite honestly if Uncle Tian's agent's agent gets an agent and then Auntie Elspeth's agent's agent gets an agent, I might as well just not bother because it's too much stress. I don't say this because I can't cope with the numbers - far from it. But the point is that you could wind up with a situation where, say you have a line of 10 agents, agents' agents and agents' agents' agents etc, but the last one also has the first one as his agent. Thus they would go round in a never ending circle of agent's fees taking all the money. Anyway, at this point I just thought, fukc that for a game of soldiers, I'll forget it and carry on writing my paper for the Veterinary Association about the amazingly tiny fleas which I've discovered which live on fleas.[/p][/quote]Do we really have to put up with this rubbish from this poster day in day out thinking he's witty or funny and failing miserably. These psts along with rubbish about Portsmouth spoil this site![/p][/quote]Personally I really enjoy his posts and some of the Pompey banter is awesome (I refer to the 007 banter and songs last campaign as an example) I know you think we all wait with baited breath for your endless line-up predictions and the constant advocating of JWP but I can assure you it's not the case. I would say get a sense of humour but as I've said that to you before, I have come to realise it's not gonna happen. STID[/p][/quote]I don't expect anyone to wait with baited breath on anything I post on here. As for the player I'm not allowed to mention, well you all know my view. I just find comments more applicable to a satirical / comedy site rather than a site where serious football are being or supposed to be discussed that's all.[/p][/quote]It's not serious, only some of the people discussing it. Lighten up please, it's a long time until kick off! Rob The Saint NOT in NZ
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6:11pm Fri 24 May 13

saintkenny says...

Chriops wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
TEBOURBA wrote:
We must trust Cortese' choice of manager MP, to make the right decisions, on who to dump and who to sign
Next season MP will be starting from scratch and then we will be able to show us just how good he really is.
I hope I'm wrong but the signs aren't that good, in his last 12 games of this season MP won one point fewer than Nigel did in his last 12 games, before Cortese chopped him!
If they rolled Artur, Kevin and Gazza in to one, they wouldn't get a PL quality goalkeeper, A is a stop gap signing, K is over the hill and G is too inexperienced.
The signing of a quality goalkeeper was a priority last summer and IMO still is.
But remember we had to nigel last season the same and was given a 37 million purse .and nigel got that wrong .not with the keeper but not getting some more defenders .had he done so he would of kept his job .It is thought nigel asked for more funds for the january transfer window .but the board decided that he had wasted enough so they made the decision to sack him and get a manager who could do better with top flight experience .but after the poor start mps objective was a rescue mission to get to 40 points as every club who lost the first 3 matches in history had been relegated.however hard the decision may have been it may well be worth 130. million .it is how mp spends the money he is given could decide his fate .but maurico is happy i think he will do well once he gets the players that works within is system , the future is bright red in white
Kenny, Nigel had very little to do with transfers, Les Reed heads that side up and has openly said so. Nigel stated he knew nothing about Forren and Forren confirmed that he had neither met nor spoken to Nigel. MoPo hasn't picked Forren so I guess he had little input into that transfer either. SFC isn't run that way. The club will talk to MoPo and involve him but they wont 'give him' a transfer budget in the old Redknapp style.
nigel all ready stated before he wanted gaston your wrong the club is run that way .and thats why nigel was sacked before the transfer window he had already had 37 million to spend .all players settle the deals with the chairman .here is a list of players chosen by managers .lambert hammond guly butterfield richardson puncheon . all signed by pardew .fox chaplow hoovield deridder fonte clyne gaston mayuka lee cork jay rod yoshida gazzinaga all singed by adkins .forren was agreed with maurico who knew he was going to be appointed 4 weeks before announced but to close to the transfer window maurico is now deciding who he wants and who is not needed .the managers choice this is how the club is run .importantly jayrod and gaston flopped under adkins and did look a waste of money but maurico got the best out of them they looked different players .That for me made is appointment look the right decision .and possibly worth 130 million had we gone down with adkins .as we still could of done .it was a 130 million decision for cortesse lets be fair
Kenny - a while back Les Reed did an interview, and laid out his role at Southampton. He also laid out how the club was set up, and how they had taken away the majority of responsibility from the manager. He stated that the manager (then Nigel Adkins) was only in charge of 5 staff, which were his first team training staff - (ie Andy Crosby, Wilkins, goal keeping coach etc). This model allowed NC to remove Nigel and his staff relatively cheaply, but also lessened the impact that changing the manager had on the whole club. Les also stated that he headed a small team responsible for identifying the right players to sign...

From what Les Reed said, the Saints Manager is involved in picking his players, but I got the impression that he was involved in suggesting players to scout, and maybe had the final pick of a pre-selected group of players, however Seed is right that Southampton don't have a typically English setup behind the scenes.
maybe it was the fact that the 19 million outlay on gaston and jay rod . nigel got nothing out of them .mp got more out of them and just a few weeks later they both looked transformed .I would accept that for reason .But cortesse must have a big say above mr reed .As mairico was quite adamant he would quit if cortesse left .That clearly indicates that .
[quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: We must trust Cortese' choice of manager MP, to make the right decisions, on who to dump and who to sign Next season MP will be starting from scratch and then we will be able to show us just how good he really is. I hope I'm wrong but the signs aren't that good, in his last 12 games of this season MP won one point fewer than Nigel did in his last 12 games, before Cortese chopped him! If they rolled Artur, Kevin and Gazza in to one, they wouldn't get a PL quality goalkeeper, A is a stop gap signing, K is over the hill and G is too inexperienced. The signing of a quality goalkeeper was a priority last summer and IMO still is.[/p][/quote]But remember we had to nigel last season the same and was given a 37 million purse .and nigel got that wrong .not with the keeper but not getting some more defenders .had he done so he would of kept his job .It is thought nigel asked for more funds for the january transfer window .but the board decided that he had wasted enough so they made the decision to sack him and get a manager who could do better with top flight experience .but after the poor start mps objective was a rescue mission to get to 40 points as every club who lost the first 3 matches in history had been relegated.however hard the decision may have been it may well be worth 130. million .it is how mp spends the money he is given could decide his fate .but maurico is happy i think he will do well once he gets the players that works within is system , the future is bright red in white[/p][/quote]Kenny, Nigel had very little to do with transfers, Les Reed heads that side up and has openly said so. Nigel stated he knew nothing about Forren and Forren confirmed that he had neither met nor spoken to Nigel. MoPo hasn't picked Forren so I guess he had little input into that transfer either. SFC isn't run that way. The club will talk to MoPo and involve him but they wont 'give him' a transfer budget in the old Redknapp style.[/p][/quote]nigel all ready stated before he wanted gaston your wrong the club is run that way .and thats why nigel was sacked before the transfer window he had already had 37 million to spend .all players settle the deals with the chairman .here is a list of players chosen by managers .lambert hammond guly butterfield richardson puncheon . all signed by pardew .fox chaplow hoovield deridder fonte clyne gaston mayuka lee cork jay rod yoshida gazzinaga all singed by adkins .forren was agreed with maurico who knew he was going to be appointed 4 weeks before announced but to close to the transfer window maurico is now deciding who he wants and who is not needed .the managers choice this is how the club is run .importantly jayrod and gaston flopped under adkins and did look a waste of money but maurico got the best out of them they looked different players .That for me made is appointment look the right decision .and possibly worth 130 million had we gone down with adkins .as we still could of done .it was a 130 million decision for cortesse lets be fair[/p][/quote]Kenny - a while back Les Reed did an interview, and laid out his role at Southampton. He also laid out how the club was set up, and how they had taken away the majority of responsibility from the manager. He stated that the manager (then Nigel Adkins) was only in charge of 5 staff, which were his first team training staff - (ie Andy Crosby, Wilkins, goal keeping coach etc). This model allowed NC to remove Nigel and his staff relatively cheaply, but also lessened the impact that changing the manager had on the whole club. Les also stated that he headed a small team responsible for identifying the right players to sign... From what Les Reed said, the Saints Manager is involved in picking his players, but I got the impression that he was involved in suggesting players to scout, and maybe had the final pick of a pre-selected group of players, however Seed is right that Southampton don't have a typically English setup behind the scenes.[/p][/quote]maybe it was the fact that the 19 million outlay on gaston and jay rod . nigel got nothing out of them .mp got more out of them and just a few weeks later they both looked transformed .I would accept that for reason .But cortesse must have a big say above mr reed .As mairico was quite adamant he would quit if cortesse left .That clearly indicates that . saintkenny
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6:15pm Fri 24 May 13

saintlysoul says...

slugger wrote:
James's dad is getting tetchy lol.
Another fool who thinks he's funny. If James was my son I'm sure I'd know a lot more than I do. It's very interesting that when I post accurate comments that you can't deny you resort to this 'tactic' that JWP and I are related. It obviously annoys you that I'm well informed!
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: James's dad is getting tetchy lol.[/p][/quote]Another fool who thinks he's funny. If James was my son I'm sure I'd know a lot more than I do. It's very interesting that when I post accurate comments that you can't deny you resort to this 'tactic' that JWP and I are related. It obviously annoys you that I'm well informed! saintlysoul
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6:19pm Fri 24 May 13

slugger says...

saintlysoul wrote:
slugger wrote:
James's dad is getting tetchy lol.
Another fool who thinks he's funny. If James was my son I'm sure I'd know a lot more than I do. It's very interesting that when I post accurate comments that you can't deny you resort to this 'tactic' that JWP and I are related. It obviously annoys you that I'm well informed!
Chill John .
[quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: James's dad is getting tetchy lol.[/p][/quote]Another fool who thinks he's funny. If James was my son I'm sure I'd know a lot more than I do. It's very interesting that when I post accurate comments that you can't deny you resort to this 'tactic' that JWP and I are related. It obviously annoys you that I'm well informed![/p][/quote]Chill John . slugger
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6:29pm Fri 24 May 13

george chivers says...

Confucious wrote:
saintlysoul wrote:
Confucious wrote:
The reason transfer fees etc are becoming ridiculously bloated is that there are too many agents with their fingers in the pie.

Word is that Wayne Rooney's agent's agent has just got himself an agent - and that's who put the rumour out that Rooney's agent's agent had spread the tale that Rooney's agent sewed the gossip that Rooney was now a "hot potato" on the transfer market.

No doubt the reason agent's agents are now getting agents is that most of the money filters up to the top agent - so it's inevitable that some grasping chancer will soon wangle in to try and become Rooney's agent's agent's agent's agent.

When Rooney landed the £4m McCann's Ready-to-Microwave Stuffed Baked Potato sponsorship deal, his agent's agent got £2.5m of it. He also got £1 million of the £3m deal with the Japanese Fashion house which (rather oddly) launched the Wayne Rooney Potato Jacket.

Anyway, when I renew my four season tickets, I thought of getting my Uncle Tian to talk to the ticket office first - posing as my agent's (Auntie Elspeth) agent - and then negotiating their fees as part of the price. They would then give me half their commission. Result!

The only issue is that they are both bright enough to latch on and get themselves agents to haggle over my deal - and quite honestly if Uncle Tian's agent's agent gets an agent and then Auntie Elspeth's agent's agent
gets an agent, I might as well just not bother because it's too much stress.

I don't say this because I can't cope with the numbers - far from it. But the point is that you could wind up with a situation where, say you have a line of 10 agents, agents' agents and agents' agents' agents etc, but the last one also has the first one as his agent. Thus they would go round in a never ending circle of agent's fees taking all the money.

Anyway, at this point I just thought, fukc that for a game of soldiers, I'll forget it and carry on writing my paper for the Veterinary Association about the amazingly tiny fleas which I've discovered which live on fleas.
Do we really have to put up with this rubbish from this poster day in day out thinking he's witty or funny and failing miserably. These psts along with rubbish about Portsmouth spoil this site!
You must be an agent.

I don't do humour - only serious posts.

I stopped doing humour when I realised the people on here have a habit of dissecting it. The result of that is the same as when you dissect a frog - the thing dies and the innards are a tangled mess.

I do, however, also find the constant posts about Portsmouth quite sickening. I don't why, but every time I even see the word Portsmouth, I'm sick.
Is your keyboard full of sick? Given you have just typed the word Portsmouth.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: The reason transfer fees etc are becoming ridiculously bloated is that there are too many agents with their fingers in the pie. Word is that Wayne Rooney's agent's agent has just got himself an agent - and that's who put the rumour out that Rooney's agent's agent had spread the tale that Rooney's agent sewed the gossip that Rooney was now a "hot potato" on the transfer market. No doubt the reason agent's agents are now getting agents is that most of the money filters up to the top agent - so it's inevitable that some grasping chancer will soon wangle in to try and become Rooney's agent's agent's agent's agent. When Rooney landed the £4m McCann's Ready-to-Microwave Stuffed Baked Potato sponsorship deal, his agent's agent got £2.5m of it. He also got £1 million of the £3m deal with the Japanese Fashion house which (rather oddly) launched the Wayne Rooney Potato Jacket. Anyway, when I renew my four season tickets, I thought of getting my Uncle Tian to talk to the ticket office first - posing as my agent's (Auntie Elspeth) agent - and then negotiating their fees as part of the price. They would then give me half their commission. Result! The only issue is that they are both bright enough to latch on and get themselves agents to haggle over my deal - and quite honestly if Uncle Tian's agent's agent gets an agent and then Auntie Elspeth's agent's agent gets an agent, I might as well just not bother because it's too much stress. I don't say this because I can't cope with the numbers - far from it. But the point is that you could wind up with a situation where, say you have a line of 10 agents, agents' agents and agents' agents' agents etc, but the last one also has the first one as his agent. Thus they would go round in a never ending circle of agent's fees taking all the money. Anyway, at this point I just thought, fukc that for a game of soldiers, I'll forget it and carry on writing my paper for the Veterinary Association about the amazingly tiny fleas which I've discovered which live on fleas.[/p][/quote]Do we really have to put up with this rubbish from this poster day in day out thinking he's witty or funny and failing miserably. These psts along with rubbish about Portsmouth spoil this site![/p][/quote]You must be an agent. I don't do humour - only serious posts. I stopped doing humour when I realised the people on here have a habit of dissecting it. The result of that is the same as when you dissect a frog - the thing dies and the innards are a tangled mess. I do, however, also find the constant posts about Portsmouth quite sickening. I don't why, but every time I even see the word Portsmouth, I'm sick.[/p][/quote]Is your keyboard full of sick? Given you have just typed the word Portsmouth. george chivers
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6:33pm Fri 24 May 13

angus mc coatup says...

slugger wrote:
saintlysoul wrote:
slugger wrote:
James's dad is getting tetchy lol.
Another fool who thinks he's funny. If James was my son I'm sure I'd know a lot more than I do. It's very interesting that when I post accurate comments that you can't deny you resort to this 'tactic' that JWP and I are related. It obviously annoys you that I'm well informed!
Chill John .
Yeah, Slugger stop being facetious, And sit up straight you fool. You should show a bit more respect to his Majesty.
This site is for serious football debate don't you know. So suspend your comments forthwith, until you learn how to behave.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: James's dad is getting tetchy lol.[/p][/quote]Another fool who thinks he's funny. If James was my son I'm sure I'd know a lot more than I do. It's very interesting that when I post accurate comments that you can't deny you resort to this 'tactic' that JWP and I are related. It obviously annoys you that I'm well informed![/p][/quote]Chill John .[/p][/quote]Yeah, Slugger stop being facetious, And sit up straight you fool. You should show a bit more respect to his Majesty. This site is for serious football debate don't you know. So suspend your comments forthwith, until you learn how to behave. angus mc coatup
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6:35pm Fri 24 May 13

george chivers says...

Rising_Son wrote:
george chivers wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Once we've had the clear out let's hope we can make some better signings this season compared to last season.

Ramirez, not value for money at £12m
J-Rod, goodish but still not a £9m player
Mayuka, poor value at £4m
Forren, poor so far at £3m
Gazzanigger, worrying at £3m

Total £31m

Free transfers

Clyne, Superb
Davis, very good squad player
Boruc, slow start, now very good

The frees were on the whole were better signings.

Hope we get better value for money next season.
A bit of a short sighted post. Most of those players you mention were bought with development in mind. I don't think you can accurately judge them all after one season in the premiership.
JRod next season will be excellent, Davis will offer solid back up in the middle for the other CMs, Ramirez will find his feet and integrate further with more talent that's added to the squad, Gazza one for the future and will be fine as he matures, Mayuka will be a good impact option, Clyne will remain outstanding as will Boruc, Let's wait on Forren before we judge.

All things considered, a good mixture of youth and experience - lots to look forward to...if you let yourself ;-)
I prefer to comment on actual performance not unproven potential.

I think strikers like J-Rod and Mayuka will only be able to show how good they are when Rickie starts to decline. With only one striker in the team playing in a striking position it is difficult for them

I don't think Gazza will make it at all because of his lack of confidence. And I am not really sure if Ramirez wants to be here. His sending off three games from the end was crazy and irresponsible. Despite some of the good things he has done I think he plays for himself and not the team.

Forren, who knows? but Fonte and Hooiveld aren't really premier League players. Although they have improved a lot this year. I expected Forren to be a lot better than them. We shall see.
But George, you aren't commenting on actual performance. You're speculating about unproven potential and the mental states of particular players.
If you go back to my original post I was commenting on the players' performances in the season just finished.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Once we've had the clear out let's hope we can make some better signings this season compared to last season. Ramirez, not value for money at £12m J-Rod, goodish but still not a £9m player Mayuka, poor value at £4m Forren, poor so far at £3m Gazzanigger, worrying at £3m Total £31m Free transfers Clyne, Superb Davis, very good squad player Boruc, slow start, now very good The frees were on the whole were better signings. Hope we get better value for money next season.[/p][/quote]A bit of a short sighted post. Most of those players you mention were bought with development in mind. I don't think you can accurately judge them all after one season in the premiership. JRod next season will be excellent, Davis will offer solid back up in the middle for the other CMs, Ramirez will find his feet and integrate further with more talent that's added to the squad, Gazza one for the future and will be fine as he matures, Mayuka will be a good impact option, Clyne will remain outstanding as will Boruc, Let's wait on Forren before we judge. All things considered, a good mixture of youth and experience - lots to look forward to...if you let yourself ;-)[/p][/quote]I prefer to comment on actual performance not unproven potential. I think strikers like J-Rod and Mayuka will only be able to show how good they are when Rickie starts to decline. With only one striker in the team playing in a striking position it is difficult for them I don't think Gazza will make it at all because of his lack of confidence. And I am not really sure if Ramirez wants to be here. His sending off three games from the end was crazy and irresponsible. Despite some of the good things he has done I think he plays for himself and not the team. Forren, who knows? but Fonte and Hooiveld aren't really premier League players. Although they have improved a lot this year. I expected Forren to be a lot better than them. We shall see.[/p][/quote]But George, you aren't commenting on actual performance. You're speculating about unproven potential and the mental states of particular players.[/p][/quote]If you go back to my original post I was commenting on the players' performances in the season just finished. george chivers
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6:41pm Fri 24 May 13

Taunton Saint says...

st1halo wrote:
saintlysoul wrote:
Confucious wrote:
The reason transfer fees etc are becoming ridiculously bloated is that there are too many agents with their fingers in the pie.

Word is that Wayne Rooney's agent's agent has just got himself an agent - and that's who put the rumour out that Rooney's agent's agent had spread the tale that Rooney's agent sewed the gossip that Rooney was now a "hot potato" on the transfer market.

No doubt the reason agent's agents are now getting agents is that most of the money filters up to the top agent - so it's inevitable that some grasping chancer will soon wangle in to try and become Rooney's agent's agent's agent's agent.

When Rooney landed the £4m McCann's Ready-to-Microwave Stuffed Baked Potato sponsorship deal, his agent's agent got £2.5m of it. He also got £1 million of the £3m deal with the Japanese Fashion house which (rather oddly) launched the Wayne Rooney Potato Jacket.

Anyway, when I renew my four season tickets, I thought of getting my Uncle Tian to talk to the ticket office first - posing as my agent's (Auntie Elspeth) agent - and then negotiating their fees as part of the price. They would then give me half their commission. Result!

The only issue is that they are both bright enough to latch on and get themselves agents to haggle over my deal - and quite honestly if Uncle Tian's agent's agent gets an agent and then Auntie Elspeth's agent's agent
gets an agent, I might as well just not bother because it's too much stress.

I don't say this because I can't cope with the numbers - far from it. But the point is that you could wind up with a situation where, say you have a line of 10 agents, agents' agents and agents' agents' agents etc, but the last one also has the first one as his agent. Thus they would go round in a never ending circle of agent's fees taking all the money.

Anyway, at this point I just thought, fukc that for a game of soldiers, I'll forget it and carry on writing my paper for the Veterinary Association about the amazingly tiny fleas which I've discovered which live on fleas.
Do we really have to put up with this rubbish from this poster day in day out thinking he's witty or funny and failing miserably. These psts along with rubbish about Portsmouth spoil this site!
Personally I really enjoy his posts and some of the Pompey banter is awesome (I refer to the 007 banter and songs last campaign as an example)

I know you think we all wait with baited breath for your endless line-up predictions and the constant advocating of JWP but I can assure you it's not the case.

I would say get a sense of humour but as I've said that to you before, I have come to realise it's not gonna happen.


STID
Agreed St Halo, Confucious makes me laugh out loud at times, in work this isn't always a good thing tho!!

Soul - get a grip or just don't come on here and moan, course you can't do that cos you live to moan
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: The reason transfer fees etc are becoming ridiculously bloated is that there are too many agents with their fingers in the pie. Word is that Wayne Rooney's agent's agent has just got himself an agent - and that's who put the rumour out that Rooney's agent's agent had spread the tale that Rooney's agent sewed the gossip that Rooney was now a "hot potato" on the transfer market. No doubt the reason agent's agents are now getting agents is that most of the money filters up to the top agent - so it's inevitable that some grasping chancer will soon wangle in to try and become Rooney's agent's agent's agent's agent. When Rooney landed the £4m McCann's Ready-to-Microwave Stuffed Baked Potato sponsorship deal, his agent's agent got £2.5m of it. He also got £1 million of the £3m deal with the Japanese Fashion house which (rather oddly) launched the Wayne Rooney Potato Jacket. Anyway, when I renew my four season tickets, I thought of getting my Uncle Tian to talk to the ticket office first - posing as my agent's (Auntie Elspeth) agent - and then negotiating their fees as part of the price. They would then give me half their commission. Result! The only issue is that they are both bright enough to latch on and get themselves agents to haggle over my deal - and quite honestly if Uncle Tian's agent's agent gets an agent and then Auntie Elspeth's agent's agent gets an agent, I might as well just not bother because it's too much stress. I don't say this because I can't cope with the numbers - far from it. But the point is that you could wind up with a situation where, say you have a line of 10 agents, agents' agents and agents' agents' agents etc, but the last one also has the first one as his agent. Thus they would go round in a never ending circle of agent's fees taking all the money. Anyway, at this point I just thought, fukc that for a game of soldiers, I'll forget it and carry on writing my paper for the Veterinary Association about the amazingly tiny fleas which I've discovered which live on fleas.[/p][/quote]Do we really have to put up with this rubbish from this poster day in day out thinking he's witty or funny and failing miserably. These psts along with rubbish about Portsmouth spoil this site![/p][/quote]Personally I really enjoy his posts and some of the Pompey banter is awesome (I refer to the 007 banter and songs last campaign as an example) I know you think we all wait with baited breath for your endless line-up predictions and the constant advocating of JWP but I can assure you it's not the case. I would say get a sense of humour but as I've said that to you before, I have come to realise it's not gonna happen. STID[/p][/quote]Agreed St Halo, Confucious makes me laugh out loud at times, in work this isn't always a good thing tho!! Soul - get a grip or just don't come on here and moan, course you can't do that cos you live to moan Taunton Saint
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6:49pm Fri 24 May 13

seven777. says...

saintlysoul wrote:
Confucious wrote:
The reason transfer fees etc are becoming ridiculously bloated is that there are too many agents with their fingers in the pie.

Word is that Wayne Rooney's agent's agent has just got himself an agent - and that's who put the rumour out that Rooney's agent's agent had spread the tale that Rooney's agent sewed the gossip that Rooney was now a "hot potato" on the transfer market.

No doubt the reason agent's agents are now getting agents is that most of the money filters up to the top agent - so it's inevitable that some grasping chancer will soon wangle in to try and become Rooney's agent's agent's agent's agent.

When Rooney landed the £4m McCann's Ready-to-Microwave Stuffed Baked Potato sponsorship deal, his agent's agent got £2.5m of it. He also got £1 million of the £3m deal with the Japanese Fashion house which (rather oddly) launched the Wayne Rooney Potato Jacket.

Anyway, when I renew my four season tickets, I thought of getting my Uncle Tian to talk to the ticket office first - posing as my agent's (Auntie Elspeth) agent - and then negotiating their fees as part of the price. They would then give me half their commission. Result!

The only issue is that they are both bright enough to latch on and get themselves agents to haggle over my deal - and quite honestly if Uncle Tian's agent's agent gets an agent and then Auntie Elspeth's agent's agent
gets an agent, I might as well just not bother because it's too much stress.

I don't say this because I can't cope with the numbers - far from it. But the point is that you could wind up with a situation where, say you have a line of 10 agents, agents' agents and agents' agents' agents etc, but the last one also has the first one as his agent. Thus they would go round in a never ending circle of agent's fees taking all the money.

Anyway, at this point I just thought, fukc that for a game of soldiers, I'll forget it and carry on writing my paper for the Veterinary Association about the amazingly tiny fleas which I've discovered which live on fleas.
Do we really have to put up with this rubbish from this poster day in day out thinking he's witty or funny and failing miserably. These psts along with rubbish about Portsmouth spoil this site!
Poor old saintlysoul has a ciber **** living in his front garden.
[quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: The reason transfer fees etc are becoming ridiculously bloated is that there are too many agents with their fingers in the pie. Word is that Wayne Rooney's agent's agent has just got himself an agent - and that's who put the rumour out that Rooney's agent's agent had spread the tale that Rooney's agent sewed the gossip that Rooney was now a "hot potato" on the transfer market. No doubt the reason agent's agents are now getting agents is that most of the money filters up to the top agent - so it's inevitable that some grasping chancer will soon wangle in to try and become Rooney's agent's agent's agent's agent. When Rooney landed the £4m McCann's Ready-to-Microwave Stuffed Baked Potato sponsorship deal, his agent's agent got £2.5m of it. He also got £1 million of the £3m deal with the Japanese Fashion house which (rather oddly) launched the Wayne Rooney Potato Jacket. Anyway, when I renew my four season tickets, I thought of getting my Uncle Tian to talk to the ticket office first - posing as my agent's (Auntie Elspeth) agent - and then negotiating their fees as part of the price. They would then give me half their commission. Result! The only issue is that they are both bright enough to latch on and get themselves agents to haggle over my deal - and quite honestly if Uncle Tian's agent's agent gets an agent and then Auntie Elspeth's agent's agent gets an agent, I might as well just not bother because it's too much stress. I don't say this because I can't cope with the numbers - far from it. But the point is that you could wind up with a situation where, say you have a line of 10 agents, agents' agents and agents' agents' agents etc, but the last one also has the first one as his agent. Thus they would go round in a never ending circle of agent's fees taking all the money. Anyway, at this point I just thought, fukc that for a game of soldiers, I'll forget it and carry on writing my paper for the Veterinary Association about the amazingly tiny fleas which I've discovered which live on fleas.[/p][/quote]Do we really have to put up with this rubbish from this poster day in day out thinking he's witty or funny and failing miserably. These psts along with rubbish about Portsmouth spoil this site![/p][/quote]Poor old saintlysoul has a ciber **** living in his front garden. seven777.
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6:50pm Fri 24 May 13

seven777. says...

p.i..k.e..y
p.i..k.e..y seven777.
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7:28pm Fri 24 May 13

SaintinCanada says...

Keep 'em coming Confucious.

A lot of us like a good laugh.
Keep 'em coming Confucious. A lot of us like a good laugh. SaintinCanada
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9:17pm Fri 24 May 13

Clever Dick says...

I must agree that this site should only be used for serious discussion. I'm now a little concerned that somebody has decided to have a go at Confucius when all proper Saints fans understand the very deep thinking involved. He is almost singlehandedly responsible for our team tactics during the Chelsea/Liverpool and ManC victories. And our poor results towards the end were clearly due to some confusion over the coded number system. In addition he has a very close relationship with Mrs. Wilson and we don't want to stop him posting and lose a valuable ally inside the club.Methinks somebody needs to lighten up a bi t. If anybody doesn't like a particular poster don't read it..
I must agree that this site should only be used for serious discussion. I'm now a little concerned that somebody has decided to have a go at Confucius when all proper Saints fans understand the very deep thinking involved. He is almost singlehandedly responsible for our team tactics during the Chelsea/Liverpool and ManC victories. And our poor results towards the end were clearly due to some confusion over the coded number system. In addition he has a very close relationship with Mrs. Wilson and we don't want to stop him posting and lose a valuable ally inside the club.Methinks somebody needs to lighten up a bi t. If anybody doesn't like a particular poster don't read it.. Clever Dick
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9:56pm Fri 24 May 13

SaintinCanada says...

Clever Dick wrote:
I must agree that this site should only be used for serious discussion. I'm now a little concerned that somebody has decided to have a go at Confucius when all proper Saints fans understand the very deep thinking involved. He is almost singlehandedly responsible for our team tactics during the Chelsea/Liverpool and ManC victories. And our poor results towards the end were clearly due to some confusion over the coded number system. In addition he has a very close relationship with Mrs. Wilson and we don't want to stop him posting and lose a valuable ally inside the club.Methinks somebody needs to lighten up a bi t. If anybody doesn't like a particular poster don't read it..
I am retired, but I need a retiree's agent so I got one. My agent says that Mrs Wilson's agent likes a tipple or two.

TEBOURBA's agent told my agent that Mrs Wilson's agent turned down the chance to be 5 TBU's agent.

It is not easy to get an agent when you have a very small willy.

I think saintlysoul's agent needs to join an agency and therefore garner inside information from Confucious' agent's agent.

I think I'll have another beer 4 me.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: I must agree that this site should only be used for serious discussion. I'm now a little concerned that somebody has decided to have a go at Confucius when all proper Saints fans understand the very deep thinking involved. He is almost singlehandedly responsible for our team tactics during the Chelsea/Liverpool and ManC victories. And our poor results towards the end were clearly due to some confusion over the coded number system. In addition he has a very close relationship with Mrs. Wilson and we don't want to stop him posting and lose a valuable ally inside the club.Methinks somebody needs to lighten up a bi t. If anybody doesn't like a particular poster don't read it..[/p][/quote]I am retired, but I need a retiree's agent so I got one. My agent says that Mrs Wilson's agent likes a tipple or two. TEBOURBA's agent told my agent that Mrs Wilson's agent turned down the chance to be 5 TBU's agent. It is not easy to get an agent when you have a very small willy. I think saintlysoul's agent needs to join an agency and therefore garner inside information from Confucious' agent's agent. I think I'll have another beer 4 me. SaintinCanada
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9:56pm Fri 24 May 13

Malcy says...

There isn't any sentiment in business and Southampton FC is a business, Players have to accept any judgement given them and move on, perhaps Nigel wasn't a good judge of Players but supporters can't judge M P because he hasn't bought a Player however those that have watched them for the last 3 seasons and comment on here are the best judges even if it is speculations but most know who is staying
There isn't any sentiment in business and Southampton FC is a business, Players have to accept any judgement given them and move on, perhaps Nigel wasn't a good judge of Players but supporters can't judge M P because he hasn't bought a Player however those that have watched them for the last 3 seasons and comment on here are the best judges even if it is speculations but most know who is staying Malcy
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10:46pm Fri 24 May 13

saintshorse101 says...

saintlysoul wrote:
st1halo wrote:
saintlysoul wrote:
Confucious wrote:
The reason transfer fees etc are becoming ridiculously bloated is that there are too many agents with their fingers in the pie.

Word is that Wayne Rooney's agent's agent has just got himself an agent - and that's who put the rumour out that Rooney's agent's agent had spread the tale that Rooney's agent sewed the gossip that Rooney was now a "hot potato" on the transfer market.

No doubt the reason agent's agents are now getting agents is that most of the money filters up to the top agent - so it's inevitable that some grasping chancer will soon wangle in to try and become Rooney's agent's agent's agent's agent.

When Rooney landed the £4m McCann's Ready-to-Microwave Stuffed Baked Potato sponsorship deal, his agent's agent got £2.5m of it. He also got £1 million of the £3m deal with the Japanese Fashion house which (rather oddly) launched the Wayne Rooney Potato Jacket.

Anyway, when I renew my four season tickets, I thought of getting my Uncle Tian to talk to the ticket office first - posing as my agent's (Auntie Elspeth) agent - and then negotiating their fees as part of the price. They would then give me half their commission. Result!

The only issue is that they are both bright enough to latch on and get themselves agents to haggle over my deal - and quite honestly if Uncle Tian's agent's agent gets an agent and then Auntie Elspeth's agent's agent
gets an agent, I might as well just not bother because it's too much stress.

I don't say this because I can't cope with the numbers - far from it. But the point is that you could wind up with a situation where, say you have a line of 10 agents, agents' agents and agents' agents' agents etc, but the last one also has the first one as his agent. Thus they would go round in a never ending circle of agent's fees taking all the money.

Anyway, at this point I just thought, fukc that for a game of soldiers, I'll forget it and carry on writing my paper for the Veterinary Association about the amazingly tiny fleas which I've discovered which live on fleas.
Do we really have to put up with this rubbish from this poster day in day out thinking he's witty or funny and failing miserably. These psts along with rubbish about Portsmouth spoil this site!
Personally I really enjoy his posts and some of the Pompey banter is awesome (I refer to the 007 banter and songs last campaign as an example)

I know you think we all wait with baited breath for your endless line-up predictions and the constant advocating of JWP but I can assure you it's not the case.

I would say get a sense of humour but as I've said that to you before, I have come to realise it's not gonna happen.


STID
I don't expect anyone to wait with baited breath on anything I post on here. As for the player I'm not allowed to mention, well you all know my view. I just find comments more applicable to a satirical / comedy site rather than a site where serious football are being or supposed to be discussed that's all.
quite right soul, I personally think that some of the posters on here post whilst wearing a suit without a tie! I personally prefer to wear full dress suit with bow tie whilst posting.

I would like to know if anyone has ever met this Confucious chap? I believe that he isn't real and is in fact a matrix style glitch in the interwebbynet thing.
[quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintlysoul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: The reason transfer fees etc are becoming ridiculously bloated is that there are too many agents with their fingers in the pie. Word is that Wayne Rooney's agent's agent has just got himself an agent - and that's who put the rumour out that Rooney's agent's agent had spread the tale that Rooney's agent sewed the gossip that Rooney was now a "hot potato" on the transfer market. No doubt the reason agent's agents are now getting agents is that most of the money filters up to the top agent - so it's inevitable that some grasping chancer will soon wangle in to try and become Rooney's agent's agent's agent's agent. When Rooney landed the £4m McCann's Ready-to-Microwave Stuffed Baked Potato sponsorship deal, his agent's agent got £2.5m of it. He also got £1 million of the £3m deal with the Japanese Fashion house which (rather oddly) launched the Wayne Rooney Potato Jacket. Anyway, when I renew my four season tickets, I thought of getting my Uncle Tian to talk to the ticket office first - posing as my agent's (Auntie Elspeth) agent - and then negotiating their fees as part of the price. They would then give me half their commission. Result! The only issue is that they are both bright enough to latch on and get themselves agents to haggle over my deal - and quite honestly if Uncle Tian's agent's agent gets an agent and then Auntie Elspeth's agent's agent gets an agent, I might as well just not bother because it's too much stress. I don't say this because I can't cope with the numbers - far from it. But the point is that you could wind up with a situation where, say you have a line of 10 agents, agents' agents and agents' agents' agents etc, but the last one also has the first one as his agent. Thus they would go round in a never ending circle of agent's fees taking all the money. Anyway, at this point I just thought, fukc that for a game of soldiers, I'll forget it and carry on writing my paper for the Veterinary Association about the amazingly tiny fleas which I've discovered which live on fleas.[/p][/quote]Do we really have to put up with this rubbish from this poster day in day out thinking he's witty or funny and failing miserably. These psts along with rubbish about Portsmouth spoil this site![/p][/quote]Personally I really enjoy his posts and some of the Pompey banter is awesome (I refer to the 007 banter and songs last campaign as an example) I know you think we all wait with baited breath for your endless line-up predictions and the constant advocating of JWP but I can assure you it's not the case. I would say get a sense of humour but as I've said that to you before, I have come to realise it's not gonna happen. STID[/p][/quote]I don't expect anyone to wait with baited breath on anything I post on here. As for the player I'm not allowed to mention, well you all know my view. I just find comments more applicable to a satirical / comedy site rather than a site where serious football are being or supposed to be discussed that's all.[/p][/quote]quite right soul, I personally think that some of the posters on here post whilst wearing a suit without a tie! I personally prefer to wear full dress suit with bow tie whilst posting. I would like to know if anyone has ever met this Confucious chap? I believe that he isn't real and is in fact a matrix style glitch in the interwebbynet thing. saintshorse101
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11:25pm Fri 24 May 13

Baddesley Bill says...

For me, the whole "clear out" thing is tough...the guys that have helped to get us to the top league should have our respect.

That said...who we signing then? ;O)
For me, the whole "clear out" thing is tough...the guys that have helped to get us to the top league should have our respect. That said...who we signing then? ;O) Baddesley Bill
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8:34am Sat 25 May 13

warrens 76 says...

Confucious wrote:
Some players will be nervy, but a big clear out is nothing new for Punch.
He definately left mister Brown at the station.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Some players will be nervy, but a big clear out is nothing new for Punch.[/p][/quote]He definately left mister Brown at the station. warrens 76
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9:33am Sat 25 May 13

chapellady says...

Cheapshot wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Once we've had the clear out let's hope we can make some better signings this season compared to last season.

Ramirez, not value for money at £12m
J-Rod, goodish but still not a £9m player
Mayuka, poor value at £4m
Forren, poor so far at £3m
Gazzanigger, worrying at £3m

Total £31m

Free transfers

Clyne, Superb
Davis, very good squad player
Boruc, slow start, now very good

The frees were on the whole were better signings.

Hope we get better value for money next season.
I'm sure we will do better, MoPo has already hinted about dipping into the Spanish league, and we all know NC will bring someone in from Italy!

Some of your figures are off though i think
J-Rod was between 6-7m
Mayuka - 3.5m
Forren - 4m
and Gaz -1m
Davis - 200k

So i don't think we did too bad. J-Rod Gaston and Mayuka will all get better for sure. It's just about adding that touch of class around them to bring out the best in everyone.

Slightly off topic....what are the words to MoPo's song? Everyone who stands around me was singing it and i couldn't understand a word of it!
This song drove me mad when we were at Sunderland. Think it goes 'That's what it's like to be Pompey, that's what it's like to be poor. You signed Whittingham, we signed Pochettino, Pochettino, Pochettino'. Perhaps we should enter this for next years Eurovision........
[quote][p][bold]Cheapshot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: Once we've had the clear out let's hope we can make some better signings this season compared to last season. Ramirez, not value for money at £12m J-Rod, goodish but still not a £9m player Mayuka, poor value at £4m Forren, poor so far at £3m Gazzanigger, worrying at £3m Total £31m Free transfers Clyne, Superb Davis, very good squad player Boruc, slow start, now very good The frees were on the whole were better signings. Hope we get better value for money next season.[/p][/quote]I'm sure we will do better, MoPo has already hinted about dipping into the Spanish league, and we all know NC will bring someone in from Italy! Some of your figures are off though i think J-Rod was between 6-7m Mayuka - 3.5m Forren - 4m and Gaz -1m Davis - 200k So i don't think we did too bad. J-Rod Gaston and Mayuka will all get better for sure. It's just about adding that touch of class around them to bring out the best in everyone. Slightly off topic....what are the words to MoPo's song? Everyone who stands around me was singing it and i couldn't understand a word of it![/p][/quote]This song drove me mad when we were at Sunderland. Think it goes 'That's what it's like to be Pompey, that's what it's like to be poor. You signed Whittingham, we signed Pochettino, Pochettino, Pochettino'. Perhaps we should enter this for next years Eurovision........ chapellady
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10:19am Sat 25 May 13

Blackwaterblue says...

Got any cheap ones for us?
Got any cheap ones for us? Blackwaterblue
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11:21am Sat 25 May 13

TEBOURBA says...

To those of you who say Nigel Adkins was a poor judge of players, I say this poor judge of players won back to back promotions, took us to 15th place in the PL, giving us almost certain security from relegation before he was chopped ( remember, with all the fanfare and trumpeting, during his time here, Poncho improved our league position by only one place).
We must leave it to Mr Cortese and Poncho to fire and hire as they please.
My only comment would be to sign a PL class goalkeeper as we should have done last summer, neither the stop gap, the over the hill and the novice, we have at the club now are good enough for the PL.
Those who think that only Nigel alone was responsible for splashing £11m on Gaston and very good money on the other non-performers, are deluded, nothing is spent at SMS without Cortese's say so, not even the £60k paid to Solent Interiors and then only when ordered to do so by the judge.
To those of you who say Nigel Adkins was a poor judge of players, I say this poor judge of players won back to back promotions, took us to 15th place in the PL, giving us almost certain security from relegation before he was chopped ( remember, with all the fanfare and trumpeting, during his time here, Poncho improved our league position by only one place). We must leave it to Mr Cortese and Poncho to fire and hire as they please. My only comment would be to sign a PL class goalkeeper as we should have done last summer, neither the stop gap, the over the hill and the novice, we have at the club now are good enough for the PL. Those who think that only Nigel alone was responsible for splashing £11m on Gaston and very good money on the other non-performers, are deluded, nothing is spent at SMS without Cortese's say so, not even the £60k paid to Solent Interiors and then only when ordered to do so by the judge. TEBOURBA
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11:41am Sat 25 May 13

SouthamptonLegend says...

Billy Bowl wrote:
Fox and Jos need to be given long term contracts. If we get that in place and a few more in we can push on and maybe secure a place in the top 4.
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Thanks for the joke!! Brought me a massive giggle!!

#skate
[quote][p][bold]Billy Bowl[/bold] wrote: Fox and Jos need to be given long term contracts. If we get that in place and a few more in we can push on and maybe secure a place in the top 4.[/p][/quote]BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA AA Thanks for the joke!! Brought me a massive giggle!! #skate SouthamptonLegend
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11:43am Sat 25 May 13

SouthamptonLegend says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
To those of you who say Nigel Adkins was a poor judge of players, I say this poor judge of players won back to back promotions, took us to 15th place in the PL, giving us almost certain security from relegation before he was chopped ( remember, with all the fanfare and trumpeting, during his time here, Poncho improved our league position by only one place).
We must leave it to Mr Cortese and Poncho to fire and hire as they please.
My only comment would be to sign a PL class goalkeeper as we should have done last summer, neither the stop gap, the over the hill and the novice, we have at the club now are good enough for the PL.
Those who think that only Nigel alone was responsible for splashing £11m on Gaston and very good money on the other non-performers, are deluded, nothing is spent at SMS without Cortese's say so, not even the £60k paid to Solent Interiors and then only when ordered to do so by the judge.
Nigel didn't sign any players... 'You can't judge what you don't know!'
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: To those of you who say Nigel Adkins was a poor judge of players, I say this poor judge of players won back to back promotions, took us to 15th place in the PL, giving us almost certain security from relegation before he was chopped ( remember, with all the fanfare and trumpeting, during his time here, Poncho improved our league position by only one place). We must leave it to Mr Cortese and Poncho to fire and hire as they please. My only comment would be to sign a PL class goalkeeper as we should have done last summer, neither the stop gap, the over the hill and the novice, we have at the club now are good enough for the PL. Those who think that only Nigel alone was responsible for splashing £11m on Gaston and very good money on the other non-performers, are deluded, nothing is spent at SMS without Cortese's say so, not even the £60k paid to Solent Interiors and then only when ordered to do so by the judge.[/p][/quote]Nigel didn't sign any players... 'You can't judge what you don't know!' SouthamptonLegend
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11:56am Sat 25 May 13

SouthamptonLegend says...

Billy Sharp, Steve De Ridder, Guly, FOX, Jos, Hammond, Chaplow, Richardson, Butterfield.

Clear out these lot (a few have contracts ending anyway) and we've got enough money to bring in 3 top players to replace the 3 in the first team squad (Fox, Jos and Guly)! We might be able to generate another £3/4 million through selling on fees with Sharp, De Ridder, Guly and Fox.

Last season we spent £25+million, this summer will be in excess of £50 million. It has to be if we want to push on...

Our main priority is a world class centre back, then a match winner/game changer. This is where i can see most of the money going.
Billy Sharp, Steve De Ridder, Guly, FOX, Jos, Hammond, Chaplow, Richardson, Butterfield. Clear out these lot (a few have contracts ending anyway) and we've got enough money to bring in 3 top players to replace the 3 in the first team squad (Fox, Jos and Guly)! We might be able to generate another £3/4 million through selling on fees with Sharp, De Ridder, Guly and Fox. Last season we spent £25+million, this summer will be in excess of £50 million. It has to be if we want to push on... Our main priority is a world class centre back, then a match winner/game changer. This is where i can see most of the money going. SouthamptonLegend
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12:04pm Sat 25 May 13

warrens 76 says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
To those of you who say Nigel Adkins was a poor judge of players, I say this poor judge of players won back to back promotions, took us to 15th place in the PL, giving us almost certain security from relegation before he was chopped ( remember, with all the fanfare and trumpeting, during his time here, Poncho improved our league position by only one place).
We must leave it to Mr Cortese and Poncho to fire and hire as they please.
My only comment would be to sign a PL class goalkeeper as we should have done last summer, neither the stop gap, the over the hill and the novice, we have at the club now are good enough for the PL.
Those who think that only Nigel alone was responsible for splashing £11m on Gaston and very good money on the other non-performers, are deluded, nothing is spent at SMS without Cortese's say so, not even the £60k paid to Solent Interiors and then only when ordered to do so by the judge.
Solent interiors are very close to your heart Trebour, why not write to them everyday I am sure they would be delighted to have you on board....then you can leave us alone.
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: To those of you who say Nigel Adkins was a poor judge of players, I say this poor judge of players won back to back promotions, took us to 15th place in the PL, giving us almost certain security from relegation before he was chopped ( remember, with all the fanfare and trumpeting, during his time here, Poncho improved our league position by only one place). We must leave it to Mr Cortese and Poncho to fire and hire as they please. My only comment would be to sign a PL class goalkeeper as we should have done last summer, neither the stop gap, the over the hill and the novice, we have at the club now are good enough for the PL. Those who think that only Nigel alone was responsible for splashing £11m on Gaston and very good money on the other non-performers, are deluded, nothing is spent at SMS without Cortese's say so, not even the £60k paid to Solent Interiors and then only when ordered to do so by the judge.[/p][/quote]Solent interiors are very close to your heart Trebour, why not write to them everyday I am sure they would be delighted to have you on board....then you can leave us alone. warrens 76
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12:10pm Sat 25 May 13

Buddy SFC says...

I think we will keep Fox as a back up utility LBack , LMidfield .............. one of the keys to pushing on is the strength of the squad , it is very easy to do a Newcastle and though he did not have a good season , one or two injury's and we would be in trouble and need him to step up ............. The same could well be said for Guly .............

Agree , some more pace out wide , another top goalscorer and a top CB ...............
I think we will keep Fox as a back up utility LBack , LMidfield .............. one of the keys to pushing on is the strength of the squad , it is very easy to do a Newcastle and though he did not have a good season , one or two injury's and we would be in trouble and need him to step up ............. The same could well be said for Guly ............. Agree , some more pace out wide , another top goalscorer and a top CB ............... Buddy SFC
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10:24am Sun 26 May 13

GX Saint says...

saintkenny wrote:
stoke is talking to mark hughes thats one relegation place settled already next season then
Agreed. And hopefully Watford win on Monday to confirm another relegation spot for next year. With presumably Hull making the 3rd
[quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: stoke is talking to mark hughes thats one relegation place settled already next season then[/p][/quote]Agreed. And hopefully Watford win on Monday to confirm another relegation spot for next year. With presumably Hull making the 3rd GX Saint
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11:00am Sun 26 May 13

Thornhill Saint says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
To those of you who say Nigel Adkins was a poor judge of players, I say this poor judge of players won back to back promotions, took us to 15th place in the PL, giving us almost certain security from relegation before he was chopped ( remember, with all the fanfare and trumpeting, during his time here, Poncho improved our league position by only one place).
We must leave it to Mr Cortese and Poncho to fire and hire as they please.
My only comment would be to sign a PL class goalkeeper as we should have done last summer, neither the stop gap, the over the hill and the novice, we have at the club now are good enough for the PL.
Those who think that only Nigel alone was responsible for splashing £11m on Gaston and very good money on the other non-performers, are deluded, nothing is spent at SMS without Cortese's say so, not even the £60k paid to Solent Interiors and then only when ordered to do so by the judge.
Not a bad post at all by your standards.

For what it's worth I and a lot of other people think Saints or 'Cortese' if you will should have paid Solent Interiors, or settled or at least shown up in court. It was not a good way of doing things which showed up th club.

Most however judging by the polls think looking at the bigger picture Cortese did an excellent job.

You make an excellent point, but I guess you could do with joining tHe rest of us in looking at the whole thing chalking it down to experience and moving on. As Adkin would say, draw a blue line, analyse it, and 6 Cortese positives to go with your one negative please :-)

Hope you are enjoying the summer.
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: To those of you who say Nigel Adkins was a poor judge of players, I say this poor judge of players won back to back promotions, took us to 15th place in the PL, giving us almost certain security from relegation before he was chopped ( remember, with all the fanfare and trumpeting, during his time here, Poncho improved our league position by only one place). We must leave it to Mr Cortese and Poncho to fire and hire as they please. My only comment would be to sign a PL class goalkeeper as we should have done last summer, neither the stop gap, the over the hill and the novice, we have at the club now are good enough for the PL. Those who think that only Nigel alone was responsible for splashing £11m on Gaston and very good money on the other non-performers, are deluded, nothing is spent at SMS without Cortese's say so, not even the £60k paid to Solent Interiors and then only when ordered to do so by the judge.[/p][/quote]Not a bad post at all by your standards. For what it's worth I and a lot of other people think Saints or 'Cortese' if you will should have paid Solent Interiors, or settled or at least shown up in court. It was not a good way of doing things which showed up th club. Most however judging by the polls think looking at the bigger picture Cortese did an excellent job. You make an excellent point, but I guess you could do with joining tHe rest of us in looking at the whole thing chalking it down to experience and moving on. As Adkin would say, draw a blue line, analyse it, and 6 Cortese positives to go with your one negative please :-) Hope you are enjoying the summer. Thornhill Saint
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11:10am Sun 26 May 13

Thornhill Saint says...

Congrats on a successful operation Saintsayer!

Are you the same guy as the one on Teamtalk. Kept the flag flying for Saints with a few others even during the most dire times when most had stopped postinga and those two oiks from Brighton were larging it up!
Congrats on a successful operation Saintsayer! Are you the same guy as the one on Teamtalk. Kept the flag flying for Saints with a few others even during the most dire times when most had stopped postinga and those two oiks from Brighton were larging it up! Thornhill Saint
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12:07pm Sun 26 May 13

Totton_Saint_Andy says...

Fox, Guly and Hooiveld to get long term contracts. You're trolling, right?!
Fox, Guly and Hooiveld to get long term contracts. You're trolling, right?! Totton_Saint_Andy
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4:00pm Sun 26 May 13

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Percy says you lot are a bunch of Trolls so ride off nippers dream on!
Percy says you lot are a bunch of Trolls so ride off nippers dream on! Fatty x Ford Worker
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2:28pm Mon 27 May 13

szent8 says...

Let us hope that the first person out of the door is the utterly useless Pochettino. Saints stayed up - just - thanks to the good work Nigel Adkins did in building a winning team. Bochettino will simply use the summer to take it apart and build his own losing team. Save Our Saints!
Let us hope that the first person out of the door is the utterly useless Pochettino. Saints stayed up - just - thanks to the good work Nigel Adkins did in building a winning team. Bochettino will simply use the summer to take it apart and build his own losing team. Save Our Saints! szent8
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8:30pm Mon 27 May 13

Stroppy_gramps says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
To those of you who say Nigel Adkins was a poor judge of players, I say this poor judge of players won back to back promotions, took us to 15th place in the PL, giving us almost certain security from relegation before he was chopped ( remember, with all the fanfare and trumpeting, during his time here, Poncho improved our league position by only one place).
We must leave it to Mr Cortese and Poncho to fire and hire as they please.
My only comment would be to sign a PL class goalkeeper as we should have done last summer, neither the stop gap, the over the hill and the novice, we have at the club now are good enough for the PL.
Those who think that only Nigel alone was responsible for splashing £11m on Gaston and very good money on the other non-performers, are deluded, nothing is spent at SMS without Cortese's say so, not even the £60k paid to Solent Interiors and then only when ordered to do so by the judge.
are you ever going to be able to move on from Adkins and Solent Interiors?

I pity you.
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: To those of you who say Nigel Adkins was a poor judge of players, I say this poor judge of players won back to back promotions, took us to 15th place in the PL, giving us almost certain security from relegation before he was chopped ( remember, with all the fanfare and trumpeting, during his time here, Poncho improved our league position by only one place). We must leave it to Mr Cortese and Poncho to fire and hire as they please. My only comment would be to sign a PL class goalkeeper as we should have done last summer, neither the stop gap, the over the hill and the novice, we have at the club now are good enough for the PL. Those who think that only Nigel alone was responsible for splashing £11m on Gaston and very good money on the other non-performers, are deluded, nothing is spent at SMS without Cortese's say so, not even the £60k paid to Solent Interiors and then only when ordered to do so by the judge.[/p][/quote]are you ever going to be able to move on from Adkins and Solent Interiors? I pity you. Stroppy_gramps
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