Saints to release eight players

Daily Echo: TOMMY FORECAST TOMMY FORECAST

Saints have confirmed that eight out-of-contract players will be released this summer - including Tommy Forecast.

Forecast is coming to the end of a lucrative five-year deal that did not include a single first-team appearance foillowing his arrival from Spurs in the summer of 2008.

The other seven seeking a new club for next season are: Frazer Richardson, Danny Butterfield, Dan Seaborne, Ryan Dickson, Ben Reeves, Sam Hoskins and Alberto Seidi.

Full-backs Richardson and Butterfield, who spent the last six weeks of the season on loan at Bolton, made 64 and 53 league and cup appearances respectively after arriving from Charlton four years ago.

Seaborne's time at Saints was marred by the nightclub attack that left him with serious head injuries midway through his three-and-a-half years with the club.

He made 53 appearances for Saints but only two of them came after sustaining life-threatening injuries in September 2011.

The 26-year-old spent three months of the 2012/13 season on loan at Charlton (one month) and Cherries (two months).

Left-back Ryan Dickson made 23 appearances during his three-year spell at St Mary's

Two academy products are on their way.

Reeves, 21, a left-sided utility player from Verwood, leaves after maing 13 appearances fore the first team  -including three in the Premier League (as a substitute).

Hoskins, 20, has spent three months on loan at Stevenage since Christmas, having made two of his three League Cup appearances for the club at the beginning of the season.

Seidi, a 20 year-old forward from Guinea Bissau, did not make a first-team appearance during his season with the club

 

 


 

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5:33pm Tue 4 Jun 13

SaintJD says...

Not too many surprises there. But the big question is have the Echo superimposed Forecast onto that picture of the ball flying past him? Looks like it to me!

How long do we have to wait before the likes of De Ridder and Barnard are out of contract? Or maybe Harry is foolish enough to sign them up.
Not too many surprises there. But the big question is have the Echo superimposed Forecast onto that picture of the ball flying past him? Looks like it to me! How long do we have to wait before the likes of De Ridder and Barnard are out of contract? Or maybe Harry is foolish enough to sign them up. SaintJD

5:41pm Tue 4 Jun 13

There's only one 'H' in 'Ampshire says...

That's a young Paul Jones in the picture
That's a young Paul Jones in the picture There's only one 'H' in 'Ampshire

5:42pm Tue 4 Jun 13

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Of the eight I think maybe Frazer might feel a little hard done by.

It's interesting that we've waited until they're out of contract rather than selling them for small fees before. Anyone know what we paid for Frazer?
Of the eight I think maybe Frazer might feel a little hard done by. It's interesting that we've waited until they're out of contract rather than selling them for small fees before. Anyone know what we paid for Frazer? Seedhouse the Unrepentant

5:55pm Tue 4 Jun 13

Cincinnati says...

I too might have thought that Frazier might have still had some life in him as a squad player. More so than Fox who I guess is not out of contract.
I too might have thought that Frazier might have still had some life in him as a squad player. More so than Fox who I guess is not out of contract. Cincinnati

6:08pm Tue 4 Jun 13

Taunton Saint says...

Can't believe Tommy hasn't made it!!!

Seriously, no surprises hope the youngsters find a good club
Can't believe Tommy hasn't made it!!! Seriously, no surprises hope the youngsters find a good club Taunton Saint

6:15pm Tue 4 Jun 13

st1halo says...

Taunton Saint wrote:
Can't believe Tommy hasn't made it!!!

Seriously, no surprises hope the youngsters find a good club
I can't believe it either!!

Should we organise a testimonial for him?

STID
[quote][p][bold]Taunton Saint[/bold] wrote: Can't believe Tommy hasn't made it!!! Seriously, no surprises hope the youngsters find a good club[/p][/quote]I can't believe it either!! Should we organise a testimonial for him? STID st1halo

6:23pm Tue 4 Jun 13

Clever Dick says...

Presumably these are just the out of contract players. So we can still expect to see a few more moving on if their current wages arn't an obstacle. Maybe we could do a deal to pay part wages for the likes of Barnard, De Ridder, Martin, Tad Lee etc. Seems pointless having them and not using them. They could all do a job lower down the divisions. Not as low as League 2 though. Nothing but cr@p clubs at that level. One or two own their own grounds though. Hee hee.
Presumably these are just the out of contract players. So we can still expect to see a few more moving on if their current wages arn't an obstacle. Maybe we could do a deal to pay part wages for the likes of Barnard, De Ridder, Martin, Tad Lee etc. Seems pointless having them and not using them. They could all do a job lower down the divisions. Not as low as League 2 though. Nothing but cr@p clubs at that level. One or two own their own grounds though. Hee hee. Clever Dick

6:29pm Tue 4 Jun 13

since 1885 says...

Sell Guly and Fox.
Sell Guly and Fox. since 1885

7:10pm Tue 4 Jun 13

DisplacedFan says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Presumably these are just the out of contract players. So we can still expect to see a few more moving on if their current wages arn't an obstacle. Maybe we could do a deal to pay part wages for the likes of Barnard, De Ridder, Martin, Tad Lee etc. Seems pointless having them and not using them. They could all do a job lower down the divisions. Not as low as League 2 though. Nothing but cr@p clubs at that level. One or two own their own grounds though. Hee hee.
And five trophies!
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: Presumably these are just the out of contract players. So we can still expect to see a few more moving on if their current wages arn't an obstacle. Maybe we could do a deal to pay part wages for the likes of Barnard, De Ridder, Martin, Tad Lee etc. Seems pointless having them and not using them. They could all do a job lower down the divisions. Not as low as League 2 though. Nothing but cr@p clubs at that level. One or two own their own grounds though. Hee hee.[/p][/quote]And five trophies! DisplacedFan

7:12pm Tue 4 Jun 13

hdfw09 says...

since 1885 wrote:
Sell Guly and Fox.
Absolutely agree on Guly and Fox! Add Chaplow to that list as well.
[quote][p][bold]since 1885[/bold] wrote: Sell Guly and Fox.[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree on Guly and Fox! Add Chaplow to that list as well. hdfw09

7:23pm Tue 4 Jun 13

Folkestone Saint says...

SaintJD wrote:
Not too many surprises there. But the big question is have the Echo superimposed Forecast onto that picture of the ball flying past him? Looks like it to me!

How long do we have to wait before the likes of De Ridder and Barnard are out of contract? Or maybe Harry is foolish enough to sign them up.
Looks more like cut out of a programe and pasted with gloy onto the picture, or is it a really cr@p spot the ball comp
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Not too many surprises there. But the big question is have the Echo superimposed Forecast onto that picture of the ball flying past him? Looks like it to me! How long do we have to wait before the likes of De Ridder and Barnard are out of contract? Or maybe Harry is foolish enough to sign them up.[/p][/quote]Looks more like cut out of a programe and pasted with gloy onto the picture, or is it a really cr@p spot the ball comp Folkestone Saint

7:42pm Tue 4 Jun 13

ivornother says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Presumably these are just the out of contract players. So we can still expect to see a few more moving on if their current wages arn't an obstacle. Maybe we could do a deal to pay part wages for the likes of Barnard, De Ridder, Martin, Tad Lee etc. Seems pointless having them and not using them. They could all do a job lower down the divisions. Not as low as League 2 though. Nothing but cr@p clubs at that level. One or two own their own grounds though. Hee hee.
OUCH!!! My sides have just split!!!
................Spot on.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: Presumably these are just the out of contract players. So we can still expect to see a few more moving on if their current wages arn't an obstacle. Maybe we could do a deal to pay part wages for the likes of Barnard, De Ridder, Martin, Tad Lee etc. Seems pointless having them and not using them. They could all do a job lower down the divisions. Not as low as League 2 though. Nothing but cr@p clubs at that level. One or two own their own grounds though. Hee hee.[/p][/quote]OUCH!!! My sides have just split!!! ................Spot on. ivornother

7:56pm Tue 4 Jun 13

Baddesley Bill says...

Always a shame to see players released (with the one obvious exception).

The lads who helped us up the leagues deserve our respect COYR
Always a shame to see players released (with the one obvious exception). The lads who helped us up the leagues deserve our respect COYR Baddesley Bill

8:10pm Tue 4 Jun 13

Stroppy_gramps says...

obviously photoshopped picture and poor spelling in the report.

come on DE give these players some respect by at least getting the report about them right.

Personally I'm surprised that Do Prado and Fox aren't on the list - they should be.
obviously photoshopped picture and poor spelling in the report. come on DE give these players some respect by at least getting the report about them right. Personally I'm surprised that Do Prado and Fox aren't on the list - they should be. Stroppy_gramps

8:11pm Tue 4 Jun 13

Confucious says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Always a shame to see players released (with the one obvious exception).

The lads who helped us up the leagues deserve our respect COYR
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Always a shame to see players released (with the one obvious exception). The lads who helped us up the leagues deserve our respect COYR[/p][/quote]Well said. Confucious

8:23pm Tue 4 Jun 13

beanwalking says...

Make you think really, Do Prado played under 3 different managers, Pardew--Atkins and MP all 3 picked and played him , must have seen something in him and his play that most of us missed.
Make you think really, Do Prado played under 3 different managers, Pardew--Atkins and MP all 3 picked and played him , must have seen something in him and his play that most of us missed. beanwalking

8:30pm Tue 4 Jun 13

since 1885 says...

beanwalking wrote:
Make you think really, Do Prado played under 3 different managers, Pardew--Atkins and MP all 3 picked and played him , must have seen something in him and his play that most of us missed.
Or maybe all three shopped him around but couldn't get any takers,for obvious reasons.
[quote][p][bold]beanwalking[/bold] wrote: Make you think really, Do Prado played under 3 different managers, Pardew--Atkins and MP all 3 picked and played him , must have seen something in him and his play that most of us missed.[/p][/quote]Or maybe all three shopped him around but couldn't get any takers,for obvious reasons. since 1885

8:39pm Tue 4 Jun 13

milton road says...

Thing is you can't cut the squad too fine.
The thing is several of the players were bought in div 1 and championship to do a job there.
Forte, Barny, De Ridder, Lee, Sharpy, Martin, Seabourne, Butterfield, Hammond, Fox, Guly, Dickson, Richardson, Fonte, Hoov.
They have all in their own way helped Saints to climb the leagues.
Not sure whether Forte is still here or not.
The thing is none of these players are sure of being here come next season and some have already been released. Though some undoubtedly will be here with a part to play.
I would think Fox, Guly, Fonte and Hoov. Would probably still be here simply because you cannot replace half a squad in one go.
Thing is you can't cut the squad too fine. The thing is several of the players were bought in div 1 and championship to do a job there. Forte, Barny, De Ridder, Lee, Sharpy, Martin, Seabourne, Butterfield, Hammond, Fox, Guly, Dickson, Richardson, Fonte, Hoov. They have all in their own way helped Saints to climb the leagues. Not sure whether Forte is still here or not. The thing is none of these players are sure of being here come next season and some have already been released. Though some undoubtedly will be here with a part to play. I would think Fox, Guly, Fonte and Hoov. Would probably still be here simply because you cannot replace half a squad in one go. milton road

8:42pm Tue 4 Jun 13

milton road says...

That is just those out of contract who are released not the transfer list. Just to clarify for 1 or 2 who seem confused between those out of contract and those up for sale.
That is just those out of contract who are released not the transfer list. Just to clarify for 1 or 2 who seem confused between those out of contract and those up for sale. milton road

8:45pm Tue 4 Jun 13

slugger says...

So we say goodbye to Tommy Forecast after 5 years of doing next to sod all ...... nice work if you can get it eh ?
So we say goodbye to Tommy Forecast after 5 years of doing next to sod all ...... nice work if you can get it eh ? slugger

8:46pm Tue 4 Jun 13

milton road says...

lol made a mess of that lol
The article is those out of contract, there maybe several more up for sale.
lol made a mess of that lol The article is those out of contract, there maybe several more up for sale. milton road

9:12pm Tue 4 Jun 13

St Retford says...

How much have we paid Tommy Forecast over the last five years? We swapped him for Bale and a handful of magic beans. AMAZING BUSINESS EVERYONE CONCERNED. It's hard to see why Rupert Lowe has just overseen relegation at Garforth Town.
How much have we paid Tommy Forecast over the last five years? We swapped him for Bale and a handful of magic beans. AMAZING BUSINESS EVERYONE CONCERNED. It's hard to see why Rupert Lowe has just overseen relegation at Garforth Town. St Retford

9:25pm Tue 4 Jun 13

business-guru says...

beanwalking wrote:
Make you think really, Do Prado played under 3 different managers, Pardew--Atkins and MP all 3 picked and played him , must have seen something in him and his play that most of us missed.
are you joking ? A midfielder that does not score goals... does not tackle with a 50%+ success rate..... does not track back..... does not clear well from defensive 3rd..... BUT can wall-pass and shrug !? He could do a great job in the right Championship or Div1 team but if MP seriously thinks he is good enough for us in the Prem then you can kiss success next season good bye... sorry but anyone who knows anything about football knows Guly is not a premiership player. Any fan who ever booed him is a disgrace to the club and they are not true fans, but its not rocket science to realise he needs a new club. Good luck to him , he has skills and with the right foil he will do well...
[quote][p][bold]beanwalking[/bold] wrote: Make you think really, Do Prado played under 3 different managers, Pardew--Atkins and MP all 3 picked and played him , must have seen something in him and his play that most of us missed.[/p][/quote]are you joking ? A midfielder that does not score goals... does not tackle with a 50%+ success rate..... does not track back..... does not clear well from defensive 3rd..... BUT can wall-pass and shrug !? He could do a great job in the right Championship or Div1 team but if MP seriously thinks he is good enough for us in the Prem then you can kiss success next season good bye... sorry but anyone who knows anything about football knows Guly is not a premiership player. Any fan who ever booed him is a disgrace to the club and they are not true fans, but its not rocket science to realise he needs a new club. Good luck to him , he has skills and with the right foil he will do well... business-guru

9:47pm Tue 4 Jun 13

slugger says...

business-guru wrote:
beanwalking wrote:
Make you think really, Do Prado played under 3 different managers, Pardew--Atkins and MP all 3 picked and played him , must have seen something in him and his play that most of us missed.
are you joking ? A midfielder that does not score goals... does not tackle with a 50%+ success rate..... does not track back..... does not clear well from defensive 3rd..... BUT can wall-pass and shrug !? He could do a great job in the right Championship or Div1 team but if MP seriously thinks he is good enough for us in the Prem then you can kiss success next season good bye... sorry but anyone who knows anything about football knows Guly is not a premiership player. Any fan who ever booed him is a disgrace to the club and they are not true fans, but its not rocket science to realise he needs a new club. Good luck to him , he has skills and with the right foil he will do well...
Why would it be a joke ? beanwalking stated a fact.... one that I've been pondering too .
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beanwalking[/bold] wrote: Make you think really, Do Prado played under 3 different managers, Pardew--Atkins and MP all 3 picked and played him , must have seen something in him and his play that most of us missed.[/p][/quote]are you joking ? A midfielder that does not score goals... does not tackle with a 50%+ success rate..... does not track back..... does not clear well from defensive 3rd..... BUT can wall-pass and shrug !? He could do a great job in the right Championship or Div1 team but if MP seriously thinks he is good enough for us in the Prem then you can kiss success next season good bye... sorry but anyone who knows anything about football knows Guly is not a premiership player. Any fan who ever booed him is a disgrace to the club and they are not true fans, but its not rocket science to realise he needs a new club. Good luck to him , he has skills and with the right foil he will do well...[/p][/quote]Why would it be a joke ? beanwalking stated a fact.... one that I've been pondering too . slugger

9:49pm Tue 4 Jun 13

One Heart....One Vision says...

All the eight players have all contributed somehow to our rise up the Leagues.

I wish them well in the future.
All the eight players have all contributed somehow to our rise up the Leagues. I wish them well in the future. One Heart....One Vision

10:03pm Tue 4 Jun 13

st1halo says...

One Heart....One Vision wrote:
All the eight players have all contributed somehow to our rise up the Leagues.

I wish them well in the future.
Especially Tommy!

STID
[quote][p][bold]One Heart....One Vision[/bold] wrote: All the eight players have all contributed somehow to our rise up the Leagues. I wish them well in the future.[/p][/quote]Especially Tommy! STID st1halo

10:08pm Tue 4 Jun 13

Outside of the Box says...

I bet Tommy Forecast is gutted, having spent 5 years doing absolutely nowt, he now has to look for work.
I bet Tommy Forecast is gutted, having spent 5 years doing absolutely nowt, he now has to look for work. Outside of the Box

10:10pm Tue 4 Jun 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
beanwalking wrote:
Make you think really, Do Prado played under 3 different managers, Pardew--Atkins and MP all 3 picked and played him , must have seen something in him and his play that most of us missed.
are you joking ? A midfielder that does not score goals... does not tackle with a 50%+ success rate..... does not track back..... does not clear well from defensive 3rd..... BUT can wall-pass and shrug !? He could do a great job in the right Championship or Div1 team but if MP seriously thinks he is good enough for us in the Prem then you can kiss success next season good bye... sorry but anyone who knows anything about football knows Guly is not a premiership player. Any fan who ever booed him is a disgrace to the club and they are not true fans, but its not rocket science to realise he needs a new club. Good luck to him , he has skills and with the right foil he will do well...
Why would it be a joke ? beanwalking stated a fact.... one that I've been pondering too .
And me.

I think Milton Road makes the most valid point so far on this thread - you can't replace half the squad in one go.

Back in the day, it was evolution that got us to where we were up to the point at which Strachan left, and the wheels came rapidly off while we played revolving doors with managers and then players.

Now we have something of a settled, decent first team, we need to add better and better, bit by bit. So, keep those who have and still can contribute and that may well include Fox and/or Guly.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beanwalking[/bold] wrote: Make you think really, Do Prado played under 3 different managers, Pardew--Atkins and MP all 3 picked and played him , must have seen something in him and his play that most of us missed.[/p][/quote]are you joking ? A midfielder that does not score goals... does not tackle with a 50%+ success rate..... does not track back..... does not clear well from defensive 3rd..... BUT can wall-pass and shrug !? He could do a great job in the right Championship or Div1 team but if MP seriously thinks he is good enough for us in the Prem then you can kiss success next season good bye... sorry but anyone who knows anything about football knows Guly is not a premiership player. Any fan who ever booed him is a disgrace to the club and they are not true fans, but its not rocket science to realise he needs a new club. Good luck to him , he has skills and with the right foil he will do well...[/p][/quote]Why would it be a joke ? beanwalking stated a fact.... one that I've been pondering too .[/p][/quote]And me. I think Milton Road makes the most valid point so far on this thread - you can't replace half the squad in one go. Back in the day, it was evolution that got us to where we were up to the point at which Strachan left, and the wheels came rapidly off while we played revolving doors with managers and then players. Now we have something of a settled, decent first team, we need to add better and better, bit by bit. So, keep those who have and still can contribute and that may well include Fox and/or Guly. Strasbourg Saint

10:24pm Tue 4 Jun 13

st1halo says...

Outside of the Box wrote:
I bet Tommy Forecast is gutted, having spent 5 years doing absolutely nowt, he now has to look for work.
He'll probably land a high paid job at the Council. Let's face it, the experience ofsitting on your @rse for 5 years doing nothing means he'll go straight in on a high pay grade!

If not it'll be the BBC

STID
[quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: I bet Tommy Forecast is gutted, having spent 5 years doing absolutely nowt, he now has to look for work.[/p][/quote]He'll probably land a high paid job at the Council. Let's face it, the experience ofsitting on your @rse for 5 years doing nothing means he'll go straight in on a high pay grade! If not it'll be the BBC STID st1halo

10:24pm Tue 4 Jun 13

business-guru says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
beanwalking wrote:
Make you think really, Do Prado played under 3 different managers, Pardew--Atkins and MP all 3 picked and played him , must have seen something in him and his play that most of us missed.
are you joking ? A midfielder that does not score goals... does not tackle with a 50%+ success rate..... does not track back..... does not clear well from defensive 3rd..... BUT can wall-pass and shrug !? He could do a great job in the right Championship or Div1 team but if MP seriously thinks he is good enough for us in the Prem then you can kiss success next season good bye... sorry but anyone who knows anything about football knows Guly is not a premiership player. Any fan who ever booed him is a disgrace to the club and they are not true fans, but its not rocket science to realise he needs a new club. Good luck to him , he has skills and with the right foil he will do well...
Why would it be a joke ? beanwalking stated a fact.... one that I've been pondering too .
And me.

I think Milton Road makes the most valid point so far on this thread - you can't replace half the squad in one go.

Back in the day, it was evolution that got us to where we were up to the point at which Strachan left, and the wheels came rapidly off while we played revolving doors with managers and then players.

Now we have something of a settled, decent first team, we need to add better and better, bit by bit. So, keep those who have and still can contribute and that may well include Fox and/or Guly.
pondering yes... why is a player that clearly needs a new club not with a new club ? there are many stories about why he came and why he is still here but he not a Prem player, not by a country mile. I even think he could cut the mustard in La Liga with the right team, but in the UK he is a Championship player or in the pub league north of the border a super star.... I am a fan of Guly despite how it sounds but he needs to be surrounded by different players to shine and in Saints he just looked under-cooked and always in the wrong positions.. he just needs a career-lift. but i guess the money is good to sit where he is and he gets to wear super new adidas kit next season.. ;0) seriously tho I think we will sell him this summer.....
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beanwalking[/bold] wrote: Make you think really, Do Prado played under 3 different managers, Pardew--Atkins and MP all 3 picked and played him , must have seen something in him and his play that most of us missed.[/p][/quote]are you joking ? A midfielder that does not score goals... does not tackle with a 50%+ success rate..... does not track back..... does not clear well from defensive 3rd..... BUT can wall-pass and shrug !? He could do a great job in the right Championship or Div1 team but if MP seriously thinks he is good enough for us in the Prem then you can kiss success next season good bye... sorry but anyone who knows anything about football knows Guly is not a premiership player. Any fan who ever booed him is a disgrace to the club and they are not true fans, but its not rocket science to realise he needs a new club. Good luck to him , he has skills and with the right foil he will do well...[/p][/quote]Why would it be a joke ? beanwalking stated a fact.... one that I've been pondering too .[/p][/quote]And me. I think Milton Road makes the most valid point so far on this thread - you can't replace half the squad in one go. Back in the day, it was evolution that got us to where we were up to the point at which Strachan left, and the wheels came rapidly off while we played revolving doors with managers and then players. Now we have something of a settled, decent first team, we need to add better and better, bit by bit. So, keep those who have and still can contribute and that may well include Fox and/or Guly.[/p][/quote]pondering yes... why is a player that clearly needs a new club not with a new club ? there are many stories about why he came and why he is still here but he not a Prem player, not by a country mile. I even think he could cut the mustard in La Liga with the right team, but in the UK he is a Championship player or in the pub league north of the border a super star.... I am a fan of Guly despite how it sounds but he needs to be surrounded by different players to shine and in Saints he just looked under-cooked and always in the wrong positions.. he just needs a career-lift. but i guess the money is good to sit where he is and he gets to wear super new adidas kit next season.. ;0) seriously tho I think we will sell him this summer..... business-guru

10:34pm Tue 4 Jun 13

Buddy SFC says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
beanwalking wrote:
Make you think really, Do Prado played under 3 different managers, Pardew--Atkins and MP all 3 picked and played him , must have seen something in him and his play that most of us missed.
are you joking ? A midfielder that does not score goals... does not tackle with a 50%+ success rate..... does not track back..... does not clear well from defensive 3rd..... BUT can wall-pass and shrug !? He could do a great job in the right Championship or Div1 team but if MP seriously thinks he is good enough for us in the Prem then you can kiss success next season good bye... sorry but anyone who knows anything about football knows Guly is not a premiership player. Any fan who ever booed him is a disgrace to the club and they are not true fans, but its not rocket science to realise he needs a new club. Good luck to him , he has skills and with the right foil he will do well...
Why would it be a joke ? beanwalking stated a fact.... one that I've been pondering too .
And me.

I think Milton Road makes the most valid point so far on this thread - you can't replace half the squad in one go.

Back in the day, it was evolution that got us to where we were up to the point at which Strachan left, and the wheels came rapidly off while we played revolving doors with managers and then players.

Now we have something of a settled, decent first team, we need to add better and better, bit by bit. So, keep those who have and still can contribute and that may well include Fox and/or Guly.
Spot on !

Kinda surprised Ben R and Frazer have been let go but the likes of Guly and Fox I would have thought will be needed as squad back up .........

4 or 5 key signings ??? but remember we have 9 academy internationals !
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beanwalking[/bold] wrote: Make you think really, Do Prado played under 3 different managers, Pardew--Atkins and MP all 3 picked and played him , must have seen something in him and his play that most of us missed.[/p][/quote]are you joking ? A midfielder that does not score goals... does not tackle with a 50%+ success rate..... does not track back..... does not clear well from defensive 3rd..... BUT can wall-pass and shrug !? He could do a great job in the right Championship or Div1 team but if MP seriously thinks he is good enough for us in the Prem then you can kiss success next season good bye... sorry but anyone who knows anything about football knows Guly is not a premiership player. Any fan who ever booed him is a disgrace to the club and they are not true fans, but its not rocket science to realise he needs a new club. Good luck to him , he has skills and with the right foil he will do well...[/p][/quote]Why would it be a joke ? beanwalking stated a fact.... one that I've been pondering too .[/p][/quote]And me. I think Milton Road makes the most valid point so far on this thread - you can't replace half the squad in one go. Back in the day, it was evolution that got us to where we were up to the point at which Strachan left, and the wheels came rapidly off while we played revolving doors with managers and then players. Now we have something of a settled, decent first team, we need to add better and better, bit by bit. So, keep those who have and still can contribute and that may well include Fox and/or Guly.[/p][/quote]Spot on ! Kinda surprised Ben R and Frazer have been let go but the likes of Guly and Fox I would have thought will be needed as squad back up ......... 4 or 5 key signings ??? but remember we have 9 academy internationals ! Buddy SFC

10:41pm Tue 4 Jun 13

rpjcheney says...

Well, I for one think that Guly is a decent player and has a place in the squad. He has skill and good ball retention and pass completion, and tracks back more now. In his last game he was a candidate for man of the match and put in a really good shift.

I don't understand the level of hostility towards a player that has played his part in the effort to get us to where we are.

The same goes for a number of the players on the released list. I'm not arguing that they should not be released (except perhaps Richardson), but I'm with Baddesley Bill on the respect front.

Except for Forecast. Fill your boots on that one.
Well, I for one think that Guly is a decent player and has a place in the squad. He has skill and good ball retention and pass completion, and tracks back more now. In his last game he was a candidate for man of the match and put in a really good shift. I don't understand the level of hostility towards a player that has played his part in the effort to get us to where we are. The same goes for a number of the players on the released list. I'm not arguing that they should not be released (except perhaps Richardson), but I'm with Baddesley Bill on the respect front. Except for Forecast. Fill your boots on that one. rpjcheney

10:52pm Tue 4 Jun 13

business-guru says...

rpjcheney wrote:
Well, I for one think that Guly is a decent player and has a place in the squad. He has skill and good ball retention and pass completion, and tracks back more now. In his last game he was a candidate for man of the match and put in a really good shift.

I don't understand the level of hostility towards a player that has played his part in the effort to get us to where we are.

The same goes for a number of the players on the released list. I'm not arguing that they should not be released (except perhaps Richardson), but I'm with Baddesley Bill on the respect front.

Except for Forecast. Fill your boots on that one.
there is hostility .... which is bad. but there is also incredulity. He is a midfielder who clearly is not good enough to beat most defenders in the Prem. In our last Championship season he blew hot and cold and was either dire ( pompey away ) or good ( various ) but never a super star at that level. Many are baffled as to why he is still here and they have a point. I actually like watching him play , I like his style,,, but its not doing him any favours staying at Saints, he needs faster forwards and midfielders around him and he needs to play in a side with less rigid formations, He is clearly creative but does not have that licence with our style of play under the last two managers. I thought Pards was getting the best out of him...
[quote][p][bold]rpjcheney[/bold] wrote: Well, I for one think that Guly is a decent player and has a place in the squad. He has skill and good ball retention and pass completion, and tracks back more now. In his last game he was a candidate for man of the match and put in a really good shift. I don't understand the level of hostility towards a player that has played his part in the effort to get us to where we are. The same goes for a number of the players on the released list. I'm not arguing that they should not be released (except perhaps Richardson), but I'm with Baddesley Bill on the respect front. Except for Forecast. Fill your boots on that one.[/p][/quote]there is hostility .... which is bad. but there is also incredulity. He is a midfielder who clearly is not good enough to beat most defenders in the Prem. In our last Championship season he blew hot and cold and was either dire ( pompey away ) or good ( various ) but never a super star at that level. Many are baffled as to why he is still here and they have a point. I actually like watching him play , I like his style,,, but its not doing him any favours staying at Saints, he needs faster forwards and midfielders around him and he needs to play in a side with less rigid formations, He is clearly creative but does not have that licence with our style of play under the last two managers. I thought Pards was getting the best out of him... business-guru

10:54pm Tue 4 Jun 13

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

I'm not expecting wholesale changes and don't want them, those that try and buy a team can fail, like QPR, despite spending a fortune. We need 2-4 really good signings.

Luke, Nat, Jack and Morgan are certains for me. Rickie, Jay Rod, Gaston, JWP, Adam, Punch, Artur and Yoshida are likely to feature a lot. Guly and especially Fox may be in the squad.

Shaw is hot property and is wanted by some serious teams. Assuming he stays he will play a lot and any LB coming here knows that. Plus Targett is coming through so unless we buy one of the best in the world - and we have other priorities - expect to see Fox stay as cover.
I'm not expecting wholesale changes and don't want them, those that try and buy a team can fail, like QPR, despite spending a fortune. We need 2-4 really good signings. Luke, Nat, Jack and Morgan are certains for me. Rickie, Jay Rod, Gaston, JWP, Adam, Punch, Artur and Yoshida are likely to feature a lot. Guly and especially Fox may be in the squad. Shaw is hot property and is wanted by some serious teams. Assuming he stays he will play a lot and any LB coming here knows that. Plus Targett is coming through so unless we buy one of the best in the world - and we have other priorities - expect to see Fox stay as cover. Seedhouse the Unrepentant

12:10am Wed 5 Jun 13

berry boy says...

business-guru wrote:
beanwalking wrote: Make you think really, Do Prado played under 3 different managers, Pardew--Atkins and MP all 3 picked and played him , must have seen something in him and his play that most of us missed.
are you joking ? A midfielder that does not score goals... does not tackle with a 50%+ success rate..... does not track back..... does not clear well from defensive 3rd..... BUT can wall-pass and shrug !? He could do a great job in the right Championship or Div1 team but if MP seriously thinks he is good enough for us in the Prem then you can kiss success next season good bye... sorry but anyone who knows anything about football knows Guly is not a premiership player. Any fan who ever booed him is a disgrace to the club and they are not true fans, but its not rocket science to realise he needs a new club. Good luck to him , he has skills and with the right foil he will do well...
played out of best position always
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beanwalking[/bold] wrote: Make you think really, Do Prado played under 3 different managers, Pardew--Atkins and MP all 3 picked and played him , must have seen something in him and his play that most of us missed.[/p][/quote]are you joking ? A midfielder that does not score goals... does not tackle with a 50%+ success rate..... does not track back..... does not clear well from defensive 3rd..... BUT can wall-pass and shrug !? He could do a great job in the right Championship or Div1 team but if MP seriously thinks he is good enough for us in the Prem then you can kiss success next season good bye... sorry but anyone who knows anything about football knows Guly is not a premiership player. Any fan who ever booed him is a disgrace to the club and they are not true fans, but its not rocket science to realise he needs a new club. Good luck to him , he has skills and with the right foil he will do well...[/p][/quote]played out of best position always berry boy

12:42am Wed 5 Jun 13

clarkecolin1979 says...

If anyone is interested Claus Lundekvam is staying at Jury's Inn hotel at the moment.
If anyone is interested Claus Lundekvam is staying at Jury's Inn hotel at the moment. clarkecolin1979

12:53am Wed 5 Jun 13

michaelwhite says...

Tommy's parents should have named him Weather.
Tommy's parents should have named him Weather. michaelwhite

3:28am Wed 5 Jun 13

techsture says...

Or shipping.

I think Hoskins will go on to be a decent player. If anything Saints got promoted too quickly for him.
Or shipping. I think Hoskins will go on to be a decent player. If anything Saints got promoted too quickly for him. techsture

5:17am Wed 5 Jun 13

Bring back Branfoot says...

business-guru wrote:
beanwalking wrote:
Make you think really, Do Prado played under 3 different managers, Pardew--Atkins and MP all 3 picked and played him , must have seen something in him and his play that most of us missed.
are you joking ? A midfielder that does not score goals... does not tackle with a 50%+ success rate..... does not track back..... does not clear well from defensive 3rd..... BUT can wall-pass and shrug !? He could do a great job in the right Championship or Div1 team but if MP seriously thinks he is good enough for us in the Prem then you can kiss success next season good bye... sorry but anyone who knows anything about football knows Guly is not a premiership player. Any fan who ever booed him is a disgrace to the club and they are not true fans, but its not rocket science to realise he needs a new club. Good luck to him , he has skills and with the right foil he will do well...
You can't do that! Coming on here talking sense is not acceptable. It's obvious that Do Prado is nowhere near good enough for this level. Your evaluation of him was spot on, those disagreeing with you based there opinion merely on the fact that he played under three managers at the club. But then again these are the same fans who thought that Nigel did a good job at this level.
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beanwalking[/bold] wrote: Make you think really, Do Prado played under 3 different managers, Pardew--Atkins and MP all 3 picked and played him , must have seen something in him and his play that most of us missed.[/p][/quote]are you joking ? A midfielder that does not score goals... does not tackle with a 50%+ success rate..... does not track back..... does not clear well from defensive 3rd..... BUT can wall-pass and shrug !? He could do a great job in the right Championship or Div1 team but if MP seriously thinks he is good enough for us in the Prem then you can kiss success next season good bye... sorry but anyone who knows anything about football knows Guly is not a premiership player. Any fan who ever booed him is a disgrace to the club and they are not true fans, but its not rocket science to realise he needs a new club. Good luck to him , he has skills and with the right foil he will do well...[/p][/quote]You can't do that! Coming on here talking sense is not acceptable. It's obvious that Do Prado is nowhere near good enough for this level. Your evaluation of him was spot on, those disagreeing with you based there opinion merely on the fact that he played under three managers at the club. But then again these are the same fans who thought that Nigel did a good job at this level. Bring back Branfoot

7:27am Wed 5 Jun 13

SFCOLDBOY says...

Guly Do Prado is an enigma.

He is often subbed on to the field, late in games ,charges around a bit like a headless chicken.
Invariably seems to give away a dodgy freekick, this puts us under pressure, instead of holding the ball to releave it.

Or,

When he starts games, looks good for 20 minutes then disapears.

Generally seems more to disappoint than excell.

He has undoubted talent but my opinion is that he is not suited to British football.
I think the game here is too fast and furious .
I feel that Italian-Spanish-Port
uguese, football would be better suited for him.
He would have more time on the ball.

(I would like to say, my opinions on him are based on seeing all of the matches he has played for the club at home and a fair few away in his time at the club.)

COYS.
Guly Do Prado is an enigma. He is often subbed on to the field, late in games ,charges around a bit like a headless chicken. Invariably seems to give away a dodgy freekick, this puts us under pressure, instead of holding the ball to releave it. Or, When he starts games, looks good for 20 minutes then disapears. Generally seems more to disappoint than excell. He has undoubted talent but my opinion is that he is not suited to British football. I think the game here is too fast and furious . I feel that Italian-Spanish-Port uguese, football would be better suited for him. He would have more time on the ball. (I would like to say, my opinions on him are based on seeing all of the matches he has played for the club at home and a fair few away in his time at the club.) COYS. SFCOLDBOY

7:36am Wed 5 Jun 13

Saintsayer II says...

Bring back Branfoot wrote:
business-guru wrote:
beanwalking wrote:
Make you think really, Do Prado played under 3 different managers, Pardew--Atkins and MP all 3 picked and played him , must have seen something in him and his play that most of us missed.
are you joking ? A midfielder that does not score goals... does not tackle with a 50%+ success rate..... does not track back..... does not clear well from defensive 3rd..... BUT can wall-pass and shrug !? He could do a great job in the right Championship or Div1 team but if MP seriously thinks he is good enough for us in the Prem then you can kiss success next season good bye... sorry but anyone who knows anything about football knows Guly is not a premiership player. Any fan who ever booed him is a disgrace to the club and they are not true fans, but its not rocket science to realise he needs a new club. Good luck to him , he has skills and with the right foil he will do well...
You can't do that! Coming on here talking sense is not acceptable. It's obvious that Do Prado is nowhere near good enough for this level. Your evaluation of him was spot on, those disagreeing with you based there opinion merely on the fact that he played under three managers at the club. But then again these are the same fans who thought that Nigel did a good job at this level.
Although I agree that GDP is not a brilliant prem player the job he has done for 3 different managers has been classy
He some times played in 3 or 4 different roles in the same match which enabled a change of formation without a change in personnell
And BBB I believe that NA was doing a good job at this level and further more I don't think we will finish much higher next season than we did this Nigel is a student of the game and would have progressed the club in a way that MoPo won't
[quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beanwalking[/bold] wrote: Make you think really, Do Prado played under 3 different managers, Pardew--Atkins and MP all 3 picked and played him , must have seen something in him and his play that most of us missed.[/p][/quote]are you joking ? A midfielder that does not score goals... does not tackle with a 50%+ success rate..... does not track back..... does not clear well from defensive 3rd..... BUT can wall-pass and shrug !? He could do a great job in the right Championship or Div1 team but if MP seriously thinks he is good enough for us in the Prem then you can kiss success next season good bye... sorry but anyone who knows anything about football knows Guly is not a premiership player. Any fan who ever booed him is a disgrace to the club and they are not true fans, but its not rocket science to realise he needs a new club. Good luck to him , he has skills and with the right foil he will do well...[/p][/quote]You can't do that! Coming on here talking sense is not acceptable. It's obvious that Do Prado is nowhere near good enough for this level. Your evaluation of him was spot on, those disagreeing with you based there opinion merely on the fact that he played under three managers at the club. But then again these are the same fans who thought that Nigel did a good job at this level.[/p][/quote]Although I agree that GDP is not a brilliant prem player the job he has done for 3 different managers has been classy He some times played in 3 or 4 different roles in the same match which enabled a change of formation without a change in personnell And BBB I believe that NA was doing a good job at this level and further more I don't think we will finish much higher next season than we did this Nigel is a student of the game and would have progressed the club in a way that MoPo won't Saintsayer II

7:51am Wed 5 Jun 13

Bring back Branfoot says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
business-guru wrote:
beanwalking wrote:
Make you think really, Do Prado played under 3 different managers, Pardew--Atkins and MP all 3 picked and played him , must have seen something in him and his play that most of us missed.
are you joking ? A midfielder that does not score goals... does not tackle with a 50%+ success rate..... does not track back..... does not clear well from defensive 3rd..... BUT can wall-pass and shrug !? He could do a great job in the right Championship or Div1 team but if MP seriously thinks he is good enough for us in the Prem then you can kiss success next season good bye... sorry but anyone who knows anything about football knows Guly is not a premiership player. Any fan who ever booed him is a disgrace to the club and they are not true fans, but its not rocket science to realise he needs a new club. Good luck to him , he has skills and with the right foil he will do well...
You can't do that! Coming on here talking sense is not acceptable. It's obvious that Do Prado is nowhere near good enough for this level. Your evaluation of him was spot on, those disagreeing with you based there opinion merely on the fact that he played under three managers at the club. But then again these are the same fans who thought that Nigel did a good job at this level.
Although I agree that GDP is not a brilliant prem player the job he has done for 3 different managers has been classy
He some times played in 3 or 4 different roles in the same match which enabled a change of formation without a change in personnell
And BBB I believe that NA was doing a good job at this level and further more I don't think we will finish much higher next season than we did this Nigel is a student of the game and would have progressed the club in a way that MoPo won't
Sayer you don't think that the way we played under Nigel was toothless? A slow passing game offering little if any threat. The few times he allowed the players to play a crisper direct passing game we were brilliant. Why didn't he stick with this instead of reverting back to the predictable.

Also his decision making with the GK musical chairs and not sorting out the back last summer was naive. I agree that Do Prado could do a job at a lower level but I don't agree that he was ever "classy".

Fair play for voicing a prediction for next season, I don't agree with it but it's good to see sb not sitting on the fence!
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beanwalking[/bold] wrote: Make you think really, Do Prado played under 3 different managers, Pardew--Atkins and MP all 3 picked and played him , must have seen something in him and his play that most of us missed.[/p][/quote]are you joking ? A midfielder that does not score goals... does not tackle with a 50%+ success rate..... does not track back..... does not clear well from defensive 3rd..... BUT can wall-pass and shrug !? He could do a great job in the right Championship or Div1 team but if MP seriously thinks he is good enough for us in the Prem then you can kiss success next season good bye... sorry but anyone who knows anything about football knows Guly is not a premiership player. Any fan who ever booed him is a disgrace to the club and they are not true fans, but its not rocket science to realise he needs a new club. Good luck to him , he has skills and with the right foil he will do well...[/p][/quote]You can't do that! Coming on here talking sense is not acceptable. It's obvious that Do Prado is nowhere near good enough for this level. Your evaluation of him was spot on, those disagreeing with you based there opinion merely on the fact that he played under three managers at the club. But then again these are the same fans who thought that Nigel did a good job at this level.[/p][/quote]Although I agree that GDP is not a brilliant prem player the job he has done for 3 different managers has been classy He some times played in 3 or 4 different roles in the same match which enabled a change of formation without a change in personnell And BBB I believe that NA was doing a good job at this level and further more I don't think we will finish much higher next season than we did this Nigel is a student of the game and would have progressed the club in a way that MoPo won't[/p][/quote]Sayer you don't think that the way we played under Nigel was toothless? A slow passing game offering little if any threat. The few times he allowed the players to play a crisper direct passing game we were brilliant. Why didn't he stick with this instead of reverting back to the predictable. Also his decision making with the GK musical chairs and not sorting out the back last summer was naive. I agree that Do Prado could do a job at a lower level but I don't agree that he was ever "classy". Fair play for voicing a prediction for next season, I don't agree with it but it's good to see sb not sitting on the fence! Bring back Branfoot

8:15am Wed 5 Jun 13

Stroppy_gramps says...

Do Prado is just too inconsistent for me and it's consistency that is going to get us further up the table.

As for Fox - I've seen too many poor decisions from him in matches that have directly resulted in the opposition scoring. I can see the argument of needing cover for Shaw, but I just don't see Fox as that player - he's Champion ship at best.
Do Prado is just too inconsistent for me and it's consistency that is going to get us further up the table. As for Fox - I've seen too many poor decisions from him in matches that have directly resulted in the opposition scoring. I can see the argument of needing cover for Shaw, but I just don't see Fox as that player - he's Champion ship at best. Stroppy_gramps

9:51am Wed 5 Jun 13

business-guru says...

Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
business-guru wrote:
beanwalking wrote:
Make you think really, Do Prado played under 3 different managers, Pardew--Atkins and MP all 3 picked and played him , must have seen something in him and his play that most of us missed.
are you joking ? A midfielder that does not score goals... does not tackle with a 50%+ success rate..... does not track back..... does not clear well from defensive 3rd..... BUT can wall-pass and shrug !? He could do a great job in the right Championship or Div1 team but if MP seriously thinks he is good enough for us in the Prem then you can kiss success next season good bye... sorry but anyone who knows anything about football knows Guly is not a premiership player. Any fan who ever booed him is a disgrace to the club and they are not true fans, but its not rocket science to realise he needs a new club. Good luck to him , he has skills and with the right foil he will do well...
You can't do that! Coming on here talking sense is not acceptable. It's obvious that Do Prado is nowhere near good enough for this level. Your evaluation of him was spot on, those disagreeing with you based there opinion merely on the fact that he played under three managers at the club. But then again these are the same fans who thought that Nigel did a good job at this level.
Although I agree that GDP is not a brilliant prem player the job he has done for 3 different managers has been classy
He some times played in 3 or 4 different roles in the same match which enabled a change of formation without a change in personnell
And BBB I believe that NA was doing a good job at this level and further more I don't think we will finish much higher next season than we did this Nigel is a student of the game and would have progressed the club in a way that MoPo won't
Sayer you don't think that the way we played under Nigel was toothless? A slow passing game offering little if any threat. The few times he allowed the players to play a crisper direct passing game we were brilliant. Why didn't he stick with this instead of reverting back to the predictable.

Also his decision making with the GK musical chairs and not sorting out the back last summer was naive. I agree that Do Prado could do a job at a lower level but I don't agree that he was ever "classy".

Fair play for voicing a prediction for next season, I don't agree with it but it's good to see sb not sitting on the fence!
Nigel simply ran out of ideas. He did not have the experience or the knowhow at the beginning of the season to win matches... then as he was turning it around... he was gone ! thats football. I am still undecided on Nigel's ability to make it in the top flight. I hope he does one day. If he did nothing else he built a team with spirit. and thats why we stayed up.
[quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beanwalking[/bold] wrote: Make you think really, Do Prado played under 3 different managers, Pardew--Atkins and MP all 3 picked and played him , must have seen something in him and his play that most of us missed.[/p][/quote]are you joking ? A midfielder that does not score goals... does not tackle with a 50%+ success rate..... does not track back..... does not clear well from defensive 3rd..... BUT can wall-pass and shrug !? He could do a great job in the right Championship or Div1 team but if MP seriously thinks he is good enough for us in the Prem then you can kiss success next season good bye... sorry but anyone who knows anything about football knows Guly is not a premiership player. Any fan who ever booed him is a disgrace to the club and they are not true fans, but its not rocket science to realise he needs a new club. Good luck to him , he has skills and with the right foil he will do well...[/p][/quote]You can't do that! Coming on here talking sense is not acceptable. It's obvious that Do Prado is nowhere near good enough for this level. Your evaluation of him was spot on, those disagreeing with you based there opinion merely on the fact that he played under three managers at the club. But then again these are the same fans who thought that Nigel did a good job at this level.[/p][/quote]Although I agree that GDP is not a brilliant prem player the job he has done for 3 different managers has been classy He some times played in 3 or 4 different roles in the same match which enabled a change of formation without a change in personnell And BBB I believe that NA was doing a good job at this level and further more I don't think we will finish much higher next season than we did this Nigel is a student of the game and would have progressed the club in a way that MoPo won't[/p][/quote]Sayer you don't think that the way we played under Nigel was toothless? A slow passing game offering little if any threat. The few times he allowed the players to play a crisper direct passing game we were brilliant. Why didn't he stick with this instead of reverting back to the predictable. Also his decision making with the GK musical chairs and not sorting out the back last summer was naive. I agree that Do Prado could do a job at a lower level but I don't agree that he was ever "classy". Fair play for voicing a prediction for next season, I don't agree with it but it's good to see sb not sitting on the fence![/p][/quote]Nigel simply ran out of ideas. He did not have the experience or the knowhow at the beginning of the season to win matches... then as he was turning it around... he was gone ! thats football. I am still undecided on Nigel's ability to make it in the top flight. I hope he does one day. If he did nothing else he built a team with spirit. and thats why we stayed up. business-guru

10:49am Wed 5 Jun 13

Bring back Branfoot says...

business-guru wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
business-guru wrote:
beanwalking wrote:
Make you think really, Do Prado played under 3 different managers, Pardew--Atkins and MP all 3 picked and played him , must have seen something in him and his play that most of us missed.
are you joking ? A midfielder that does not score goals... does not tackle with a 50%+ success rate..... does not track back..... does not clear well from defensive 3rd..... BUT can wall-pass and shrug !? He could do a great job in the right Championship or Div1 team but if MP seriously thinks he is good enough for us in the Prem then you can kiss success next season good bye... sorry but anyone who knows anything about football knows Guly is not a premiership player. Any fan who ever booed him is a disgrace to the club and they are not true fans, but its not rocket science to realise he needs a new club. Good luck to him , he has skills and with the right foil he will do well...
You can't do that! Coming on here talking sense is not acceptable. It's obvious that Do Prado is nowhere near good enough for this level. Your evaluation of him was spot on, those disagreeing with you based there opinion merely on the fact that he played under three managers at the club. But then again these are the same fans who thought that Nigel did a good job at this level.
Although I agree that GDP is not a brilliant prem player the job he has done for 3 different managers has been classy
He some times played in 3 or 4 different roles in the same match which enabled a change of formation without a change in personnell
And BBB I believe that NA was doing a good job at this level and further more I don't think we will finish much higher next season than we did this Nigel is a student of the game and would have progressed the club in a way that MoPo won't
Sayer you don't think that the way we played under Nigel was toothless? A slow passing game offering little if any threat. The few times he allowed the players to play a crisper direct passing game we were brilliant. Why didn't he stick with this instead of reverting back to the predictable.

Also his decision making with the GK musical chairs and not sorting out the back last summer was naive. I agree that Do Prado could do a job at a lower level but I don't agree that he was ever "classy".

Fair play for voicing a prediction for next season, I don't agree with it but it's good to see sb not sitting on the fence!
Nigel simply ran out of ideas. He did not have the experience or the knowhow at the beginning of the season to win matches... then as he was turning it around... he was gone ! thats football. I am still undecided on Nigel's ability to make it in the top flight. I hope he does one day. If he did nothing else he built a team with spirit. and thats why we stayed up.
Another quality post! He did run out of ideas. He would sometimes even resort to a long ball game. His signings were strange as he left most of them on the bench. And Jay with his speed didn't fit into the slow laborious passing game he had us playing, so why buy him. And the Mayuka signing at 7 or 8 mill and then to see him fleetingly. He didn't seem to have a definitive plan going into the season.
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beanwalking[/bold] wrote: Make you think really, Do Prado played under 3 different managers, Pardew--Atkins and MP all 3 picked and played him , must have seen something in him and his play that most of us missed.[/p][/quote]are you joking ? A midfielder that does not score goals... does not tackle with a 50%+ success rate..... does not track back..... does not clear well from defensive 3rd..... BUT can wall-pass and shrug !? He could do a great job in the right Championship or Div1 team but if MP seriously thinks he is good enough for us in the Prem then you can kiss success next season good bye... sorry but anyone who knows anything about football knows Guly is not a premiership player. Any fan who ever booed him is a disgrace to the club and they are not true fans, but its not rocket science to realise he needs a new club. Good luck to him , he has skills and with the right foil he will do well...[/p][/quote]You can't do that! Coming on here talking sense is not acceptable. It's obvious that Do Prado is nowhere near good enough for this level. Your evaluation of him was spot on, those disagreeing with you based there opinion merely on the fact that he played under three managers at the club. But then again these are the same fans who thought that Nigel did a good job at this level.[/p][/quote]Although I agree that GDP is not a brilliant prem player the job he has done for 3 different managers has been classy He some times played in 3 or 4 different roles in the same match which enabled a change of formation without a change in personnell And BBB I believe that NA was doing a good job at this level and further more I don't think we will finish much higher next season than we did this Nigel is a student of the game and would have progressed the club in a way that MoPo won't[/p][/quote]Sayer you don't think that the way we played under Nigel was toothless? A slow passing game offering little if any threat. The few times he allowed the players to play a crisper direct passing game we were brilliant. Why didn't he stick with this instead of reverting back to the predictable. Also his decision making with the GK musical chairs and not sorting out the back last summer was naive. I agree that Do Prado could do a job at a lower level but I don't agree that he was ever "classy". Fair play for voicing a prediction for next season, I don't agree with it but it's good to see sb not sitting on the fence![/p][/quote]Nigel simply ran out of ideas. He did not have the experience or the knowhow at the beginning of the season to win matches... then as he was turning it around... he was gone ! thats football. I am still undecided on Nigel's ability to make it in the top flight. I hope he does one day. If he did nothing else he built a team with spirit. and thats why we stayed up.[/p][/quote]Another quality post! He did run out of ideas. He would sometimes even resort to a long ball game. His signings were strange as he left most of them on the bench. And Jay with his speed didn't fit into the slow laborious passing game he had us playing, so why buy him. And the Mayuka signing at 7 or 8 mill and then to see him fleetingly. He didn't seem to have a definitive plan going into the season. Bring back Branfoot

10:54am Wed 5 Jun 13

Bishop Mike says...

I wouldn't be surprised if most of the other players who have been on loan are available for the right price.

The only player I would have liked seen given a chance in the Premier is Billy Sharpe.

I agree that De Ridder, Guly and Chaplow should be offloaded too.
I wouldn't be surprised if most of the other players who have been on loan are available for the right price. The only player I would have liked seen given a chance in the Premier is Billy Sharpe. I agree that De Ridder, Guly and Chaplow should be offloaded too. Bishop Mike

10:56am Wed 5 Jun 13

Bring back Branfoot says...

The observations that Guru made were astute football observations. For people to say he played under three managers so he couldn't have been that bad this season are defying what we saw this season with our own eyes! They are the kind of comments my wife makes about football before I inevitably have to shhhhh her!
The observations that Guru made were astute football observations. For people to say he played under three managers so he couldn't have been that bad this season are defying what we saw this season with our own eyes! They are the kind of comments my wife makes about football before I inevitably have to shhhhh her! Bring back Branfoot

1:25pm Wed 5 Jun 13

business-guru says...

Bring back Branfoot wrote:
The observations that Guru made were astute football observations. For people to say he played under three managers so he couldn't have been that bad this season are defying what we saw this season with our own eyes! They are the kind of comments my wife makes about football before I inevitably have to shhhhh her!
that made me laugh out loud !! i still think Guly is talented,,, and I did like watching him play,,, but it always ended in the same frustrations. I think he would flourish in a team that naturally plays with more attacking width and where is more time on the ball in the midfield.. Would not be surprised to see him end up being sold to a french or spanish side... My feelings about Fox are certainly mixed. His talents are limited but he was over exposed by inept defending across the pitch too often and has been a sort of fall guy really. Certainly AL did him no favours when he played in front of him when I was watching....So I would hang onto him and tell him to fight for a place in the team.... And hopefully his luck will change and he will have a stronger defence to play in when he does get his opportunities....
[quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: The observations that Guru made were astute football observations. For people to say he played under three managers so he couldn't have been that bad this season are defying what we saw this season with our own eyes! They are the kind of comments my wife makes about football before I inevitably have to shhhhh her![/p][/quote]that made me laugh out loud !! i still think Guly is talented,,, and I did like watching him play,,, but it always ended in the same frustrations. I think he would flourish in a team that naturally plays with more attacking width and where is more time on the ball in the midfield.. Would not be surprised to see him end up being sold to a french or spanish side... My feelings about Fox are certainly mixed. His talents are limited but he was over exposed by inept defending across the pitch too often and has been a sort of fall guy really. Certainly AL did him no favours when he played in front of him when I was watching....So I would hang onto him and tell him to fight for a place in the team.... And hopefully his luck will change and he will have a stronger defence to play in when he does get his opportunities.... business-guru

2:33pm Wed 5 Jun 13

Bring back Branfoot says...

business-guru wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
The observations that Guru made were astute football observations. For people to say he played under three managers so he couldn't have been that bad this season are defying what we saw this season with our own eyes! They are the kind of comments my wife makes about football before I inevitably have to shhhhh her!
that made me laugh out loud !! i still think Guly is talented,,, and I did like watching him play,,, but it always ended in the same frustrations. I think he would flourish in a team that naturally plays with more attacking width and where is more time on the ball in the midfield.. Would not be surprised to see him end up being sold to a french or spanish side... My feelings about Fox are certainly mixed. His talents are limited but he was over exposed by inept defending across the pitch too often and has been a sort of fall guy really. Certainly AL did him no favours when he played in front of him when I was watching....So I would hang onto him and tell him to fight for a place in the team.... And hopefully his luck will change and he will have a stronger defence to play in when he does get his opportunities....
Like you I can see Do Prado playing in the French league or the Italian league where the game is slower. All too often with us as soon as he felt the oppositions breath down his neck he would either, fall over or kick the ball in whichever direction he was facing.

Others have said what you say about Fox but jeepers he's a footballing Frank Spencer minus the ladder and the bike!
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: The observations that Guru made were astute football observations. For people to say he played under three managers so he couldn't have been that bad this season are defying what we saw this season with our own eyes! They are the kind of comments my wife makes about football before I inevitably have to shhhhh her![/p][/quote]that made me laugh out loud !! i still think Guly is talented,,, and I did like watching him play,,, but it always ended in the same frustrations. I think he would flourish in a team that naturally plays with more attacking width and where is more time on the ball in the midfield.. Would not be surprised to see him end up being sold to a french or spanish side... My feelings about Fox are certainly mixed. His talents are limited but he was over exposed by inept defending across the pitch too often and has been a sort of fall guy really. Certainly AL did him no favours when he played in front of him when I was watching....So I would hang onto him and tell him to fight for a place in the team.... And hopefully his luck will change and he will have a stronger defence to play in when he does get his opportunities....[/p][/quote]Like you I can see Do Prado playing in the French league or the Italian league where the game is slower. All too often with us as soon as he felt the oppositions breath down his neck he would either, fall over or kick the ball in whichever direction he was facing. Others have said what you say about Fox but jeepers he's a footballing Frank Spencer minus the ladder and the bike! Bring back Branfoot

10:28pm Wed 5 Jun 13

business-guru says...

Bring back Branfoot wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Bring back Branfoot wrote:
The observations that Guru made were astute football observations. For people to say he played under three managers so he couldn't have been that bad this season are defying what we saw this season with our own eyes! They are the kind of comments my wife makes about football before I inevitably have to shhhhh her!
that made me laugh out loud !! i still think Guly is talented,,, and I did like watching him play,,, but it always ended in the same frustrations. I think he would flourish in a team that naturally plays with more attacking width and where is more time on the ball in the midfield.. Would not be surprised to see him end up being sold to a french or spanish side... My feelings about Fox are certainly mixed. His talents are limited but he was over exposed by inept defending across the pitch too often and has been a sort of fall guy really. Certainly AL did him no favours when he played in front of him when I was watching....So I would hang onto him and tell him to fight for a place in the team.... And hopefully his luck will change and he will have a stronger defence to play in when he does get his opportunities....
Like you I can see Do Prado playing in the French league or the Italian league where the game is slower. All too often with us as soon as he felt the oppositions breath down his neck he would either, fall over or kick the ball in whichever direction he was facing.

Others have said what you say about Fox but jeepers he's a footballing Frank Spencer minus the ladder and the bike!
don't forget the roller-skates !!
[quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bring back Branfoot[/bold] wrote: The observations that Guru made were astute football observations. For people to say he played under three managers so he couldn't have been that bad this season are defying what we saw this season with our own eyes! They are the kind of comments my wife makes about football before I inevitably have to shhhhh her![/p][/quote]that made me laugh out loud !! i still think Guly is talented,,, and I did like watching him play,,, but it always ended in the same frustrations. I think he would flourish in a team that naturally plays with more attacking width and where is more time on the ball in the midfield.. Would not be surprised to see him end up being sold to a french or spanish side... My feelings about Fox are certainly mixed. His talents are limited but he was over exposed by inept defending across the pitch too often and has been a sort of fall guy really. Certainly AL did him no favours when he played in front of him when I was watching....So I would hang onto him and tell him to fight for a place in the team.... And hopefully his luck will change and he will have a stronger defence to play in when he does get his opportunities....[/p][/quote]Like you I can see Do Prado playing in the French league or the Italian league where the game is slower. All too often with us as soon as he felt the oppositions breath down his neck he would either, fall over or kick the ball in whichever direction he was facing. Others have said what you say about Fox but jeepers he's a footballing Frank Spencer minus the ladder and the bike![/p][/quote]don't forget the roller-skates !! business-guru

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