Ipswich put £4m pricetag on Cresswell

First published in Sport Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Chief Sports Writer

Aaron Cresswell would cost in excess of £4m should Saints or any other side try to tempt Ipswich into selling one of their rising stars.

Saints have been linked with a move for the 23-year-old left back, who has also attracted firm interest from Aston Villa and covetous glances from Everton.

Villa enquired about Cresswell last summer but opted to sign Joe Bennett instead, but are believed to be considering renewing their interest with Ipswich boss Mick McCarthy only understood to have a comparatively small transfer budget to work with if he doesn’t make any sales.

The Saints link is a slightly surprising one as left back is not one of their priority areas to strengthen, assuming Luke Shaw signs his new contract as planned and that Danny Fox is retained as back up.

However, Cresswell undoubtedly fits the mould in terms of a Saints signing.

He is promising, young and English, with experience in the lower leagues for Tranmere before his time with Ipswich but has not yet stepped up to the top flight.

It would follow the same path as the signings of the likes of Nathaniel Clyne and Jay Rodriguez, with Saints’ policy having proven to be totally justified in both of those cases.

Cresswell’s current manager, Mick McCarthy, certainly rates the player highly.

“He’s a Premier League footballer in the making,” he said.

“He’s got good pace, he’s got a good left foot. He can defend, he can head it. He’s not the biggest but he’s a good competitor.”

Creswell has made over 170 appearances in all competitions since getting his pro debut with Tranmere in 2008 and was the only player to play every minute of every game for Ipswich last season.

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6:26am Wed 12 Jun 13

Dubai-saints89 says...

best thing about this signing,and if we sign him, is that hes English. we need more English players in the league.
best thing about this signing,and if we sign him, is that hes English. we need more English players in the league. Dubai-saints89
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7:33am Wed 12 Jun 13

SiamSaint says...

We need more English players why? To make the national team stronger? Or because foreigners are somehow not right?
We need more English players why? To make the national team stronger? Or because foreigners are somehow not right? SiamSaint
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7:50am Wed 12 Jun 13

Dubai-saints89 says...

SiamSaint wrote:
We need more English players why? To make the national team stronger? Or because foreigners are somehow not right?
National teams obviously. the EPL is dominated by overseas players and im saying this after i painfully watched all 3 of England U21's Matches. hopefully other clubs start investing in their own British talent or their will be no national team to follow
[quote][p][bold]SiamSaint[/bold] wrote: We need more English players why? To make the national team stronger? Or because foreigners are somehow not right?[/p][/quote]National teams obviously. the EPL is dominated by overseas players and im saying this after i painfully watched all 3 of England U21's Matches. hopefully other clubs start investing in their own British talent or their will be no national team to follow Dubai-saints89
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8:00am Wed 12 Jun 13

City Saint says...

Doesn't bode we'll for keeping Shaw past Christmas if we do sign this fella.
Doesn't bode we'll for keeping Shaw past Christmas if we do sign this fella. City Saint
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8:13am Wed 12 Jun 13

SiamSaint says...

Aren't all the U21 squad getting regular first-team footie? In England? And, let me say it gently, there is no British national team, except in the Olympics.
Aren't all the U21 squad getting regular first-team footie? In England? And, let me say it gently, there is no British national team, except in the Olympics. SiamSaint
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8:16am Wed 12 Jun 13

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Matt Targett might not be impressed with this signing if it happens. I'd concentrate more on a CB and striker.
Matt Targett might not be impressed with this signing if it happens. I'd concentrate more on a CB and striker. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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8:17am Wed 12 Jun 13

Dubai-saints89 says...

SiamSaint wrote:
Aren't all the U21 squad getting regular first-team footie? In England? And, let me say it gently, there is no British national team, except in the Olympics.
its the fact that there weren't many English players Stuart Pearce could choose from, simply because there aren't many playing in the Prem. my point.
[quote][p][bold]SiamSaint[/bold] wrote: Aren't all the U21 squad getting regular first-team footie? In England? And, let me say it gently, there is no British national team, except in the Olympics.[/p][/quote]its the fact that there weren't many English players Stuart Pearce could choose from, simply because there aren't many playing in the Prem. my point. Dubai-saints89
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8:38am Wed 12 Jun 13

gazw1976 says...

exchange for Fox an 20% sell on clause , lets not spend loads on back up players
exchange for Fox an 20% sell on clause , lets not spend loads on back up players gazw1976
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8:49am Wed 12 Jun 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Dubai-saints89 wrote:
SiamSaint wrote:
Aren't all the U21 squad getting regular first-team footie? In England? And, let me say it gently, there is no British national team, except in the Olympics.
its the fact that there weren't many English players Stuart Pearce could choose from, simply because there aren't many playing in the Prem. my point.
There are probably better youngsters playing in Lower Leagues who won't get a look in because there is an obsession to use Players from the top five in the Premier, which, is where it all falls down because most of the Players are from overseas and don't qualify.
[quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SiamSaint[/bold] wrote: Aren't all the U21 squad getting regular first-team footie? In England? And, let me say it gently, there is no British national team, except in the Olympics.[/p][/quote]its the fact that there weren't many English players Stuart Pearce could choose from, simply because there aren't many playing in the Prem. my point.[/p][/quote]There are probably better youngsters playing in Lower Leagues who won't get a look in because there is an obsession to use Players from the top five in the Premier, which, is where it all falls down because most of the Players are from overseas and don't qualify. OSPREYSAINT
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8:56am Wed 12 Jun 13

Dubai-saints89 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Dubai-saints89 wrote:
SiamSaint wrote:
Aren't all the U21 squad getting regular first-team footie? In England? And, let me say it gently, there is no British national team, except in the Olympics.
its the fact that there weren't many English players Stuart Pearce could choose from, simply because there aren't many playing in the Prem. my point.
There are probably better youngsters playing in Lower Leagues who won't get a look in because there is an obsession to use Players from the top five in the Premier, which, is where it all falls down because most of the Players are from overseas and don't qualify.
Agreed.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SiamSaint[/bold] wrote: Aren't all the U21 squad getting regular first-team footie? In England? And, let me say it gently, there is no British national team, except in the Olympics.[/p][/quote]its the fact that there weren't many English players Stuart Pearce could choose from, simply because there aren't many playing in the Prem. my point.[/p][/quote]There are probably better youngsters playing in Lower Leagues who won't get a look in because there is an obsession to use Players from the top five in the Premier, which, is where it all falls down because most of the Players are from overseas and don't qualify.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Dubai-saints89
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9:04am Wed 12 Jun 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

Just done a quick count, which is probably not 100% accurate but should be close. On the last day of last season, of the 10 Prem matches (that's 220 starting players) about 80 were ENGLISH - no, NOT British (7 started for Saints), and that was without Oxo, Gerrard or Rooney, none of whom started.

If the England set up can't find enough world class players out of that, from what believes itself to be the best league in the world, then the problem clearly isn't the amount of foreign players playing in the Prem.

Furthermore, as I have said before, if players can't get games in England, they could look to other European leagues. Surely, if players from elsewhere - including Scotland, Wales, NI and the R. of Ireland - are taking places in Prem teams, they're vacating places back home.
Just done a quick count, which is probably not 100% accurate but should be close. On the last day of last season, of the 10 Prem matches (that's 220 starting players) about 80 were ENGLISH - no, NOT British (7 started for Saints), and that was without Oxo, Gerrard or Rooney, none of whom started. If the England set up can't find enough world class players out of that, from what believes itself to be the best league in the world, then the problem clearly isn't the amount of foreign players playing in the Prem. Furthermore, as I have said before, if players can't get games in England, they could look to other European leagues. Surely, if players from elsewhere - including Scotland, Wales, NI and the R. of Ireland - are taking places in Prem teams, they're vacating places back home. Strasbourg Saint
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9:27am Wed 12 Jun 13

SO50 Saint says...

Someone's got too much time on their hands Stras :)

Personally until Saints start becoming recognised by the national team I really could not care less about them. I thought it was laughable the other day that Clyne did not start the weekend game for England and decided against watching it when some bloke called Smith took his place in the line-up.
Someone's got too much time on their hands Stras :) Personally until Saints start becoming recognised by the national team I really could not care less about them. I thought it was laughable the other day that Clyne did not start the weekend game for England and decided against watching it when some bloke called Smith took his place in the line-up. SO50 Saint
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9:44am Wed 12 Jun 13

St Forlife says...

80 players - 4 per team then - that will certainly develop a national team. Having overseas players does help - but if a few more clubs did what Saints do and invest in a quality academy then perhaps we'll see as many as the dizzy heights of 6 or 7 englishmen in a few english teams. That might create a few more internationals for us.

4 per team is too few in my opinion
80 players - 4 per team then - that will certainly develop a national team. Having overseas players does help - but if a few more clubs did what Saints do and invest in a quality academy then perhaps we'll see as many as the dizzy heights of 6 or 7 englishmen in a few english teams. That might create a few more internationals for us. 4 per team is too few in my opinion St Forlife
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9:58am Wed 12 Jun 13

Salalal says...

Unfortunately, I've seen him play when we won 5-2 at Ipswich. He got taken apart by Connolly. Basically, he's not very good: about the same standard as Fox.
Unfortunately, I've seen him play when we won 5-2 at Ipswich. He got taken apart by Connolly. Basically, he's not very good: about the same standard as Fox. Salalal
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10:02am Wed 12 Jun 13

SaintJD says...

City Saint wrote:
Doesn't bode we'll for keeping Shaw past Christmas if we do sign this fella.
Having a contingency has to be a good thing though. The likelihood is that Shaw will go at some point, be it this season or the next or in three year's time.

Of course if we can deliver to the heights we say we can, maybe not, but...

Surely it is good to have a 23 year old promising player on the bench so we can check him out and get him ready should we need to bring in a replacement, or even just as quality cover for injury and rotation?

And, who knows, if he is as good a signing as Clyne was, he could be a more complete player than Luke anyway, given that he has a good headstart.

Coming from Ipswich to Saints I also think it's likely he'd be willing to happily bide his time, which has to be a good thing.

Personally I'd retain Fox, but as a third choice we can either keep or loan out and bring back if we're desperate.

Clearly, Danny is not first choice cover for a team aiming for the top 10 and above.
[quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: Doesn't bode we'll for keeping Shaw past Christmas if we do sign this fella.[/p][/quote]Having a contingency has to be a good thing though. The likelihood is that Shaw will go at some point, be it this season or the next or in three year's time. Of course if we can deliver to the heights we say we can, maybe not, but... Surely it is good to have a 23 year old promising player on the bench so we can check him out and get him ready should we need to bring in a replacement, or even just as quality cover for injury and rotation? And, who knows, if he is as good a signing as Clyne was, he could be a more complete player than Luke anyway, given that he has a good headstart. Coming from Ipswich to Saints I also think it's likely he'd be willing to happily bide his time, which has to be a good thing. Personally I'd retain Fox, but as a third choice we can either keep or loan out and bring back if we're desperate. Clearly, Danny is not first choice cover for a team aiming for the top 10 and above. SaintJD
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11:09am Wed 12 Jun 13

SaintJD says...

By the way - as we seem to be continuing our policy of buying young English players, it makes it even stranger to me that we didn't go back in for Butland when his price dropped in January. I'm sure there were reasons for us dropping our interest, but it does seem slightly odd, unless they have placed real belief in Gazza coming through the ranks.

If that's the plan though, at some point you have to play him and commit to playing him no matter what, and I can't see that happening for a while with Boruc doing so well.

Problem is, if you haven't spent much money on a player it is easier to leave them out. Had we signed Butland for £4M, you'd got to feel we'd have more patience with him.
By the way - as we seem to be continuing our policy of buying young English players, it makes it even stranger to me that we didn't go back in for Butland when his price dropped in January. I'm sure there were reasons for us dropping our interest, but it does seem slightly odd, unless they have placed real belief in Gazza coming through the ranks. If that's the plan though, at some point you have to play him and commit to playing him no matter what, and I can't see that happening for a while with Boruc doing so well. Problem is, if you haven't spent much money on a player it is easier to leave them out. Had we signed Butland for £4M, you'd got to feel we'd have more patience with him. SaintJD
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11:25am Wed 12 Jun 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

St Forlife wrote:
80 players - 4 per team then - that will certainly develop a national team. Having overseas players does help - but if a few more clubs did what Saints do and invest in a quality academy then perhaps we'll see as many as the dizzy heights of 6 or 7 englishmen in a few english teams. That might create a few more internationals for us.

4 per team is too few in my opinion
4 per team - which didn't include those on the bench and, as I said, omitted three of England's 'best' internationals - should be more than enough. I'd sooner have 80-100 English players who are good enough to be training with and playing regularly against and alongside a further 200 top-quality internationals, than have those same 80-100 doing their stuff alongside 200 average Joes.

For me, the problem is, as others have said, an obsession with the top 4-5 clubs, a crass FA set up, rubbish training and tactics within the national set up and ......... before all of this ....... extremely poor grassroots football - poor pitches, poor coaching, poor local FAs etc. It's the same with some other sports in England (& throughout the UK, perhaps).
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SO50, you're right, I had too much time this morning; at least I thought I had. However, while checking the line ups in those 10 matches, I made myself late, and had to rush to my class this morning. Whoops! I blamed the traffic :)
[quote][p][bold]St Forlife[/bold] wrote: 80 players - 4 per team then - that will certainly develop a national team. Having overseas players does help - but if a few more clubs did what Saints do and invest in a quality academy then perhaps we'll see as many as the dizzy heights of 6 or 7 englishmen in a few english teams. That might create a few more internationals for us. 4 per team is too few in my opinion[/p][/quote]4 per team - which didn't include those on the bench and, as I said, omitted three of England's 'best' internationals - should be more than enough. I'd sooner have 80-100 English players who are good enough to be training with and playing regularly against and alongside a further 200 top-quality internationals, than have those same 80-100 doing their stuff alongside 200 average Joes. For me, the problem is, as others have said, an obsession with the top 4-5 clubs, a crass FA set up, rubbish training and tactics within the national set up and ......... before all of this ....... extremely poor grassroots football - poor pitches, poor coaching, poor local FAs etc. It's the same with some other sports in England (& throughout the UK, perhaps). -------------------- ----- SO50, you're right, I had too much time this morning; at least I thought I had. However, while checking the line ups in those 10 matches, I made myself late, and had to rush to my class this morning. Whoops! I blamed the traffic :) Strasbourg Saint
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11:34am Wed 12 Jun 13

SouthamptonLegend says...

Dubai-saints89 wrote:
SiamSaint wrote:
We need more English players why? To make the national team stronger? Or because foreigners are somehow not right?
National teams obviously. the EPL is dominated by overseas players and im saying this after i painfully watched all 3 of England U21's Matches. hopefully other clubs start investing in their own British talent or their will be no national team to follow
What a load of bull. English players are over priced and overrated!!

We are football fans and want to be entertained with good football. Why do we care if our team has more British players?! England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland are shiit because the players don't care. So i really couldn't care less if Saints have 11 foreigners starting in the team next year or not, as long as we compete and play good attractive football.
[quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SiamSaint[/bold] wrote: We need more English players why? To make the national team stronger? Or because foreigners are somehow not right?[/p][/quote]National teams obviously. the EPL is dominated by overseas players and im saying this after i painfully watched all 3 of England U21's Matches. hopefully other clubs start investing in their own British talent or their will be no national team to follow[/p][/quote]What a load of bull. English players are over priced and overrated!! We are football fans and want to be entertained with good football. Why do we care if our team has more British players?! England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland are shiit because the players don't care. So i really couldn't care less if Saints have 11 foreigners starting in the team next year or not, as long as we compete and play good attractive football. SouthamptonLegend
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11:40am Wed 12 Jun 13

markodarko29 says...

surely other areas of the team need strengthening much more ,centre half,pacey winger and centre forward to name but 3
surely other areas of the team need strengthening much more ,centre half,pacey winger and centre forward to name but 3 markodarko29
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11:40am Wed 12 Jun 13

Dubai-saints89 says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
Dubai-saints89 wrote:
SiamSaint wrote:
We need more English players why? To make the national team stronger? Or because foreigners are somehow not right?
National teams obviously. the EPL is dominated by overseas players and im saying this after i painfully watched all 3 of England U21's Matches. hopefully other clubs start investing in their own British talent or their will be no national team to follow
What a load of bull. English players are over priced and overrated!!

We are football fans and want to be entertained with good football. Why do we care if our team has more British players?! England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland are shiit because the players don't care. So i really couldn't care less if Saints have 11 foreigners starting in the team next year or not, as long as we compete and play good attractive football.
i take it you don't care about the national side?. im for both, club and country and i do care. i would like to see England win a tournament but that wont happen until the crappy FA come up with something.
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SiamSaint[/bold] wrote: We need more English players why? To make the national team stronger? Or because foreigners are somehow not right?[/p][/quote]National teams obviously. the EPL is dominated by overseas players and im saying this after i painfully watched all 3 of England U21's Matches. hopefully other clubs start investing in their own British talent or their will be no national team to follow[/p][/quote]What a load of bull. English players are over priced and overrated!! We are football fans and want to be entertained with good football. Why do we care if our team has more British players?! England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland are shiit because the players don't care. So i really couldn't care less if Saints have 11 foreigners starting in the team next year or not, as long as we compete and play good attractive football.[/p][/quote]i take it you don't care about the national side?. im for both, club and country and i do care. i would like to see England win a tournament but that wont happen until the crappy FA come up with something. Dubai-saints89
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12:30pm Wed 12 Jun 13

st1halo says...

SaintJD wrote:
By the way - as we seem to be continuing our policy of buying young English players, it makes it even stranger to me that we didn't go back in for Butland when his price dropped in January. I'm sure there were reasons for us dropping our interest, but it does seem slightly odd, unless they have placed real belief in Gazza coming through the ranks.

If that's the plan though, at some point you have to play him and commit to playing him no matter what, and I can't see that happening for a while with Boruc doing so well.

Problem is, if you haven't spent much money on a player it is easier to leave them out. Had we signed Butland for £4M, you'd got to feel we'd have more patience with him.
From what I understand Butland was insisting on being first choice keeper otherwise he wasn't interested. An attitude like that will turn clubs away regardless of the price tag.

STID
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: By the way - as we seem to be continuing our policy of buying young English players, it makes it even stranger to me that we didn't go back in for Butland when his price dropped in January. I'm sure there were reasons for us dropping our interest, but it does seem slightly odd, unless they have placed real belief in Gazza coming through the ranks. If that's the plan though, at some point you have to play him and commit to playing him no matter what, and I can't see that happening for a while with Boruc doing so well. Problem is, if you haven't spent much money on a player it is easier to leave them out. Had we signed Butland for £4M, you'd got to feel we'd have more patience with him.[/p][/quote]From what I understand Butland was insisting on being first choice keeper otherwise he wasn't interested. An attitude like that will turn clubs away regardless of the price tag. STID st1halo
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12:41pm Wed 12 Jun 13

st1halo says...

Dubai-saints89 wrote:
best thing about this signing,and if we sign him, is that hes English. we need more English players in the league.
I agree with the sentiment of having more English players in the Prem but it's not Saints' job to fly the flag for the rest of the league, that's the remit of the FA.

Also, competition for places is paramount in their development and positive discrimination in favour of nationality will only stifle their ability ultimately.

STID
[quote][p][bold]Dubai-saints89[/bold] wrote: best thing about this signing,and if we sign him, is that hes English. we need more English players in the league.[/p][/quote]I agree with the sentiment of having more English players in the Prem but it's not Saints' job to fly the flag for the rest of the league, that's the remit of the FA. Also, competition for places is paramount in their development and positive discrimination in favour of nationality will only stifle their ability ultimately. STID st1halo
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1:50pm Wed 12 Jun 13

Redrobbo says...

I thinkl there were two fundamental problems with the U21's. One is that England took 3 or 4 players to Brazil for a friendly, when they should have been in Israel. They could even have flown them to Israel after the Brazil game. More importantly from what I can see is that most young English talent think they have made it, and stop putting in the hard work, and believe their own publicity.Connor Wickham was the next big thing, he struggles to get into the Sunderland team. The Saints Academy is a credit to the club, not only does it produce good footballers but young men who appear to have a good attitude and are articulate. Look and listen to how Bale, Walcott and Oxo conduct themselves when interviewed. The way the players conduct themselves on the field of play, we may contest descisions , but we do not surround the referee shouting and hollering at him. I believe the old way of youngsters working as apprenticies where they looked after the older pro's kept them grounded.Now if you are 19 years old earning £10K or more a week then it is very easy to get distracted.
I thinkl there were two fundamental problems with the U21's. One is that England took 3 or 4 players to Brazil for a friendly, when they should have been in Israel. They could even have flown them to Israel after the Brazil game. More importantly from what I can see is that most young English talent think they have made it, and stop putting in the hard work, and believe their own publicity.Connor Wickham was the next big thing, he struggles to get into the Sunderland team. The Saints Academy is a credit to the club, not only does it produce good footballers but young men who appear to have a good attitude and are articulate. Look and listen to how Bale, Walcott and Oxo conduct themselves when interviewed. The way the players conduct themselves on the field of play, we may contest descisions , but we do not surround the referee shouting and hollering at him. I believe the old way of youngsters working as apprenticies where they looked after the older pro's kept them grounded.Now if you are 19 years old earning £10K or more a week then it is very easy to get distracted. Redrobbo
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3:41pm Wed 12 Jun 13

sledgerite says...

everyone is assuming luke shaw will remain at full back perhaps the intention is to play him left midfield think this might happen at some stage.
everyone is assuming luke shaw will remain at full back perhaps the intention is to play him left midfield think this might happen at some stage. sledgerite
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4:05pm Wed 12 Jun 13

pokersaint76 says...

I don't know why we are looking at spending big money on back up players. Why did we let Richardson go when he is good cover for Clyne.
Now we have to sign a 2-3 million pound player and pay him 2-3 times as much
We need a winger, cb and a top cf first
I don't know why we are looking at spending big money on back up players. Why did we let Richardson go when he is good cover for Clyne. Now we have to sign a 2-3 million pound player and pay him 2-3 times as much We need a winger, cb and a top cf first pokersaint76
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5:47pm Wed 12 Jun 13

allsaintsnocurves says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Just done a quick count, which is probably not 100% accurate but should be close. On the last day of last season, of the 10 Prem matches (that's 220 starting players) about 80 were ENGLISH - no, NOT British (7 started for Saints), and that was without Oxo, Gerrard or Rooney, none of whom started.

If the England set up can't find enough world class players out of that, from what believes itself to be the best league in the world, then the problem clearly isn't the amount of foreign players playing in the Prem.

Furthermore, as I have said before, if players can't get games in England, they could look to other European leagues. Surely, if players from elsewhere - including Scotland, Wales, NI and the R. of Ireland - are taking places in Prem teams, they're vacating places back home.
I think the issue is not enough English players play for the top teams and therefore, playing with the best players in the world and competing in European tournaments.

It is easy for English players to play in the fast paced Premier league where it is about closing down, effort and getting bodies behind the ball and into the box. International football is more about controlling a game...controlling the football something English players are useless at on the International arena.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Just done a quick count, which is probably not 100% accurate but should be close. On the last day of last season, of the 10 Prem matches (that's 220 starting players) about 80 were ENGLISH - no, NOT British (7 started for Saints), and that was without Oxo, Gerrard or Rooney, none of whom started. If the England set up can't find enough world class players out of that, from what believes itself to be the best league in the world, then the problem clearly isn't the amount of foreign players playing in the Prem. Furthermore, as I have said before, if players can't get games in England, they could look to other European leagues. Surely, if players from elsewhere - including Scotland, Wales, NI and the R. of Ireland - are taking places in Prem teams, they're vacating places back home.[/p][/quote]I think the issue is not enough English players play for the top teams and therefore, playing with the best players in the world and competing in European tournaments. It is easy for English players to play in the fast paced Premier league where it is about closing down, effort and getting bodies behind the ball and into the box. International football is more about controlling a game...controlling the football something English players are useless at on the International arena. allsaintsnocurves
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5:57pm Wed 12 Jun 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Just done a quick count, which is probably not 100% accurate but should be close. On the last day of last season, of the 10 Prem matches (that's 220 starting players) about 80 were ENGLISH - no, NOT British (7 started for Saints), and that was without Oxo, Gerrard or Rooney, none of whom started.

If the England set up can't find enough world class players out of that, from what believes itself to be the best league in the world, then the problem clearly isn't the amount of foreign players playing in the Prem.

Furthermore, as I have said before, if players can't get games in England, they could look to other European leagues. Surely, if players from elsewhere - including Scotland, Wales, NI and the R. of Ireland - are taking places in Prem teams, they're vacating places back home.
I think the issue is not enough English players play for the top teams and therefore, playing with the best players in the world and competing in European tournaments.

It is easy for English players to play in the fast paced Premier league where it is about closing down, effort and getting bodies behind the ball and into the box. International football is more about controlling a game...controlling the football something English players are useless at on the International arena.
It's a good point. The FA (who do sweet FA, of course) could do a lot more to encourage the necessary skills at a younger age. If we really want players to learn how to control games, they need to learn how to control a ball, keep the ball and pass the ball - with either foot. Yet even where kids' coaches try to teach skills, they're up against the conditions. Some of the pitches my kids play on in England are no better than the ones I used to play on around Southampton in the Sunday morning league 25 years ago.

How can kids learn skills on sh!t heaps like that?
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Just done a quick count, which is probably not 100% accurate but should be close. On the last day of last season, of the 10 Prem matches (that's 220 starting players) about 80 were ENGLISH - no, NOT British (7 started for Saints), and that was without Oxo, Gerrard or Rooney, none of whom started. If the England set up can't find enough world class players out of that, from what believes itself to be the best league in the world, then the problem clearly isn't the amount of foreign players playing in the Prem. Furthermore, as I have said before, if players can't get games in England, they could look to other European leagues. Surely, if players from elsewhere - including Scotland, Wales, NI and the R. of Ireland - are taking places in Prem teams, they're vacating places back home.[/p][/quote]I think the issue is not enough English players play for the top teams and therefore, playing with the best players in the world and competing in European tournaments. It is easy for English players to play in the fast paced Premier league where it is about closing down, effort and getting bodies behind the ball and into the box. International football is more about controlling a game...controlling the football something English players are useless at on the International arena.[/p][/quote]It's a good point. The FA (who do sweet FA, of course) could do a lot more to encourage the necessary skills at a younger age. If we really want players to learn how to control games, they need to learn how to control a ball, keep the ball and pass the ball - with either foot. Yet even where kids' coaches try to teach skills, they're up against the conditions. Some of the pitches my kids play on in England are no better than the ones I used to play on around Southampton in the Sunday morning league 25 years ago. How can kids learn skills on sh!t heaps like that? Strasbourg Saint
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5:58pm Wed 12 Jun 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

sledgerite wrote:
everyone is assuming luke shaw will remain at full back perhaps the intention is to play him left midfield think this might happen at some stage.
It's an interesting thought.
[quote][p][bold]sledgerite[/bold] wrote: everyone is assuming luke shaw will remain at full back perhaps the intention is to play him left midfield think this might happen at some stage.[/p][/quote]It's an interesting thought. Strasbourg Saint
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6:05pm Wed 12 Jun 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

Redrobbo wrote:
I thinkl there were two fundamental problems with the U21's. One is that England took 3 or 4 players to Brazil for a friendly, when they should have been in Israel. They could even have flown them to Israel after the Brazil game. More importantly from what I can see is that most young English talent think they have made it, and stop putting in the hard work, and believe their own publicity.Connor Wickham was the next big thing, he struggles to get into the Sunderland team. The Saints Academy is a credit to the club, not only does it produce good footballers but young men who appear to have a good attitude and are articulate. Look and listen to how Bale, Walcott and Oxo conduct themselves when interviewed. The way the players conduct themselves on the field of play, we may contest descisions , but we do not surround the referee shouting and hollering at him. I believe the old way of youngsters working as apprenticies where they looked after the older pro's kept them grounded.Now if you are 19 years old earning £10K or more a week then it is very easy to get distracted.
Totally agree. Over the years, it's hard to think of any who came through the Saints academy who have disgraced themselves (and, thus, the club). The only player who comes to mind whose ego grew faster than his talent was Steve Williams.

From what I have been told by those close to the club, some of the non-football-related grounding they get whilst in the academy is superb; it includes working with homelessness projects and making sure they continue their studies in case, as happens so often, they don't make it.
[quote][p][bold]Redrobbo[/bold] wrote: I thinkl there were two fundamental problems with the U21's. One is that England took 3 or 4 players to Brazil for a friendly, when they should have been in Israel. They could even have flown them to Israel after the Brazil game. More importantly from what I can see is that most young English talent think they have made it, and stop putting in the hard work, and believe their own publicity.Connor Wickham was the next big thing, he struggles to get into the Sunderland team. The Saints Academy is a credit to the club, not only does it produce good footballers but young men who appear to have a good attitude and are articulate. Look and listen to how Bale, Walcott and Oxo conduct themselves when interviewed. The way the players conduct themselves on the field of play, we may contest descisions , but we do not surround the referee shouting and hollering at him. I believe the old way of youngsters working as apprenticies where they looked after the older pro's kept them grounded.Now if you are 19 years old earning £10K or more a week then it is very easy to get distracted.[/p][/quote]Totally agree. Over the years, it's hard to think of any who came through the Saints academy who have disgraced themselves (and, thus, the club). The only player who comes to mind whose ego grew faster than his talent was Steve Williams. From what I have been told by those close to the club, some of the non-football-related grounding they get whilst in the academy is superb; it includes working with homelessness projects and making sure they continue their studies in case, as happens so often, they don't make it. Strasbourg Saint
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7:59pm Wed 12 Jun 13

City Saint says...

SaintJD wrote:
City Saint wrote: Doesn't bode we'll for keeping Shaw past Christmas if we do sign this fella.
Having a contingency has to be a good thing though. The likelihood is that Shaw will go at some point, be it this season or the next or in three year's time. Of course if we can deliver to the heights we say we can, maybe not, but... Surely it is good to have a 23 year old promising player on the bench so we can check him out and get him ready should we need to bring in a replacement, or even just as quality cover for injury and rotation? And, who knows, if he is as good a signing as Clyne was, he could be a more complete player than Luke anyway, given that he has a good headstart. Coming from Ipswich to Saints I also think it's likely he'd be willing to happily bide his time, which has to be a good thing. Personally I'd retain Fox, but as a third choice we can either keep or loan out and bring back if we're desperate. Clearly, Danny is not first choice cover for a team aiming for the top 10 and above.
Yep, it would be a good thing to have cover for Shaw leaving, I'm just hoping that we can once and for all stop being the kind of club that gets harassed into selling top talent. It's clealy a chicken and egg thing, so my hope is that Cortese's latest five year plan will star by ending the cycle.

I'm just saying tat if we. Have to buy this bloke, it will be a sign that the cycle might to end in the next season at least.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: Doesn't bode we'll for keeping Shaw past Christmas if we do sign this fella.[/p][/quote]Having a contingency has to be a good thing though. The likelihood is that Shaw will go at some point, be it this season or the next or in three year's time. Of course if we can deliver to the heights we say we can, maybe not, but... Surely it is good to have a 23 year old promising player on the bench so we can check him out and get him ready should we need to bring in a replacement, or even just as quality cover for injury and rotation? And, who knows, if he is as good a signing as Clyne was, he could be a more complete player than Luke anyway, given that he has a good headstart. Coming from Ipswich to Saints I also think it's likely he'd be willing to happily bide his time, which has to be a good thing. Personally I'd retain Fox, but as a third choice we can either keep or loan out and bring back if we're desperate. Clearly, Danny is not first choice cover for a team aiming for the top 10 and above.[/p][/quote]Yep, it would be a good thing to have cover for Shaw leaving, I'm just hoping that we can once and for all stop being the kind of club that gets harassed into selling top talent. It's clealy a chicken and egg thing, so my hope is that Cortese's latest five year plan will star by ending the cycle. I'm just saying tat if we. Have to buy this bloke, it will be a sign that the cycle might to end in the next season at least. City Saint
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