Boruc could be out for six weeks

Daily Echo: Artur Boruc makes a save from Chelsea’s Demba Ba before, moments later, Gary Cahill headed into an empty net equalise for Chelsea. Artur Boruc makes a save from Chelsea’s Demba Ba before, moments later, Gary Cahill headed into an empty net equalise for Chelsea.

Saints look set to lose Artur Boruc until the new year, after the keeper suffered a suspected fracture of his left hand in the 3-1 defeat at Chelsea.

Boruc was taken to hospital last night for x-rays after injuring himself trying to prevent the Blues’ equaliser at Stamford Bridge.

With Kelvin Davis, right, also out with a knock picked up in training, it was down to young Argentinian stopper Paulo Gazzaniga to take over in goal.

He may well be called upon again on Wednesday, for the visit of Aston Villa, with Saints last night fearing they could be without Boruc for as long as six weeks.

The club are also assessing the fitness of Morgan Schneidlerin, who was also forced off during the game with what appeared to be a groin strain.

Saints have a quick turnaround before their next game against Aston Villa at St Mary’s on Wednesday night before hosting Manchester City on Saturday.

“We do not know yet,” said Pochettino when asked about the extent of Boruc’s injury immediately after the game.

“He’s going to hospital to get some x-rays done and after that we will know exactly what he has done to his hand or wrist.”

Saints will also run an eye over Kelvin Davis to see whether he has recovered sufficiently.

If not then it will be over to Gazzaniga again, and possibly a chance on the bench for young American stopper Cody Cropper.

Schneiderlin has been a key man for Saints and they will hope withdrawing him quickly when he felt the problem will mean he doesn’t have to miss a match.

If he is forced out then Steven Davis and Jack Cork will battle for his spot in the team.

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6:39am Mon 2 Dec 13

Norwegian Saint says...

Awful news to start a monday :-(
Awful news to start a monday :-( Norwegian Saint

6:57am Mon 2 Dec 13

InCortesewetrust says...

Oh F*@#
Oh F*@# InCortesewetrust

7:00am Mon 2 Dec 13

Norwegian Saint says...

Looks like we need another keeper, at least for cover. I hope Gazza can lift his game to the standards we play but you could see our defence was not the same without Boruc behind them.
Spider would be a blow and Wanyama walking the five card tightrope, these things are starting to show our depth.
Still, we are in a position I would have biten someones arm off for at the start of the season.
Last seasons away games v Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man C...
1 point
This season... (so far)
4 points
That is progress!
Looks like we need another keeper, at least for cover. I hope Gazza can lift his game to the standards we play but you could see our defence was not the same without Boruc behind them. Spider would be a blow and Wanyama walking the five card tightrope, these things are starting to show our depth. Still, we are in a position I would have biten someones arm off for at the start of the season. Last seasons away games v Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man C... 1 point This season... (so far) 4 points That is progress! Norwegian Saint

7:12am Mon 2 Dec 13

Nod says...

Cody Cropper on the bench for Wednesday then.
Cody Cropper on the bench for Wednesday then. Nod

7:22am Mon 2 Dec 13

mack chinnon says...

Norwegian Saint wrote:
Awful news to start a monday :-(
Manager of the month curse is starting to bite.
[quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: Awful news to start a monday :-([/p][/quote]Manager of the month curse is starting to bite. mack chinnon

7:27am Mon 2 Dec 13

Little Hitler says...

Clucking Bell is all I can say really.

Still, we're having a great season and January isn't far off if we decide to strengthen in the GK department. Injury or not, I suspect a new keeper is high on Mo Po's Christmas shopping list (perhaps just after an XBox 1).
Clucking Bell is all I can say really. Still, we're having a great season and January isn't far off if we decide to strengthen in the GK department. Injury or not, I suspect a new keeper is high on Mo Po's Christmas shopping list (perhaps just after an XBox 1). Little Hitler

7:52am Mon 2 Dec 13

margie933 says...

Please get well soon Boruc and Schneiderlin. We need you desperately.
Please get well soon Boruc and Schneiderlin. We need you desperately. margie933

8:11am Mon 2 Dec 13

saint christopher says...

Last week or so has been a bit of a reality check to all this nonsense about top 4 finish etc etc. Although I hate to say it, Lawrenson's comment at the weekend that as well as we've done there's a big gap between us and the top 4 is actually spot on factually.

We can all say various positions need strengthening but IMO the biggest area of concern is still up front - this is still the area of the team which hasn't quite worked yet. All working hard etc but no real cutting edge except in the odd home game when everything is going perfectly.

Biggest change in January might be in this area, with people coming AND going?
Last week or so has been a bit of a reality check to all this nonsense about top 4 finish etc etc. Although I hate to say it, Lawrenson's comment at the weekend that as well as we've done there's a big gap between us and the top 4 is actually spot on factually. We can all say various positions need strengthening but IMO the biggest area of concern is still up front - this is still the area of the team which hasn't quite worked yet. All working hard etc but no real cutting edge except in the odd home game when everything is going perfectly. Biggest change in January might be in this area, with people coming AND going? saint christopher

8:14am Mon 2 Dec 13

andoru says...

Mid-table by Christmas. :-(
Mid-table by Christmas. :-( andoru

8:32am Mon 2 Dec 13

andoru says...

Downvote me away, but it's not such an unrealistic prediction. It's pretty tight at the top, with just six points between 2nd and 9th. Boruc has earned us a fair amount of our points this season with his saves. Plenty of us have been blinded by our defensive record into thinking our back four are impermeable, but they aren't. Artur has had to make a whole host of crucial saves this season when the last line has been beaten. I hope I am proved wrong, but I just don't believe young Gazzaniga is of the same calibre. From the little we've seen of him it seems he doesn't have Boruc's presence, experience or bravery. I see us shipping a few more goals under him than we would with AB, meaning out forwards are going to have to score a lot more than they are for us to win. I can honestly see us sitting mid-table at the end of the year, albeit not that far off the European spots as it will remain tight.
Downvote me away, but it's not such an unrealistic prediction. It's pretty tight at the top, with just six points between 2nd and 9th. Boruc has earned us a fair amount of our points this season with his saves. Plenty of us have been blinded by our defensive record into thinking our back four are impermeable, but they aren't. Artur has had to make a whole host of crucial saves this season when the last line has been beaten. I hope I am proved wrong, but I just don't believe young Gazzaniga is of the same calibre. From the little we've seen of him it seems he doesn't have Boruc's presence, experience or bravery. I see us shipping a few more goals under him than we would with AB, meaning out forwards are going to have to score a lot more than they are for us to win. I can honestly see us sitting mid-table at the end of the year, albeit not that far off the European spots as it will remain tight. andoru

8:36am Mon 2 Dec 13

boilerman says...

Emergency loan for Joe Hart.
Emergency loan for Joe Hart. boilerman

8:49am Mon 2 Dec 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

It's a blow, for sure - unless you're one of those who, after the Arsenal match, wanted Boruc dropped, of course. However, it's the reality all clubs face and we've been lucky with injuries up to now. So, to use a crusty old training manuel phrase, we have to turn the threat (of losing Artur and Morgan) into an opportunity. This is an opportunity to see if those in the wings (Cork and Gazza) can step up.
It's a blow, for sure - unless you're one of those who, after the Arsenal match, wanted Boruc dropped, of course. However, it's the reality all clubs face and we've been lucky with injuries up to now. So, to use a crusty old training manuel phrase, we have to turn the threat (of losing Artur and Morgan) into an opportunity. This is an opportunity to see if those in the wings (Cork and Gazza) can step up. Strasbourg Saint

8:53am Mon 2 Dec 13

warrens 76 says...

andoru wrote:
Downvote me away, but it's not such an unrealistic prediction. It's pretty tight at the top, with just six points between 2nd and 9th. Boruc has earned us a fair amount of our points this season with his saves. Plenty of us have been blinded by our defensive record into thinking our back four are impermeable, but they aren't. Artur has had to make a whole host of crucial saves this season when the last line has been beaten. I hope I am proved wrong, but I just don't believe young Gazzaniga is of the same calibre. From the little we've seen of him it seems he doesn't have Boruc's presence, experience or bravery. I see us shipping a few more goals under him than we would with AB, meaning out forwards are going to have to score a lot more than they are for us to win. I can honestly see us sitting mid-table at the end of the year, albeit not that far off the European spots as it will remain tight.
Last season I felt we would stay up if we kept scoring and tightened the defense…this season we just cannot score and chances are getting thinner on th ground..ideas?
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: Downvote me away, but it's not such an unrealistic prediction. It's pretty tight at the top, with just six points between 2nd and 9th. Boruc has earned us a fair amount of our points this season with his saves. Plenty of us have been blinded by our defensive record into thinking our back four are impermeable, but they aren't. Artur has had to make a whole host of crucial saves this season when the last line has been beaten. I hope I am proved wrong, but I just don't believe young Gazzaniga is of the same calibre. From the little we've seen of him it seems he doesn't have Boruc's presence, experience or bravery. I see us shipping a few more goals under him than we would with AB, meaning out forwards are going to have to score a lot more than they are for us to win. I can honestly see us sitting mid-table at the end of the year, albeit not that far off the European spots as it will remain tight.[/p][/quote]Last season I felt we would stay up if we kept scoring and tightened the defense…this season we just cannot score and chances are getting thinner on th ground..ideas? warrens 76

9:07am Mon 2 Dec 13

Clever Dick says...

Lets hope Artur reovers quickly. Gazza had no chance with the Terry header and the last goal was a hopful toepoke which would have made no difference one way or the other if he had saved it. I for one don't feel confident in him and I don't think the defence does either. Anyway that's irrelevant because he is or keeper if KD isn't fit for the next month or so. Just like all our other players who arn't making the starting line up it,s time to step up and make it difficult for Artur to get back in. Starting Wednesday where we need to get back to winning after some extremely difficult games.
Lets hope Artur reovers quickly. Gazza had no chance with the Terry header and the last goal was a hopful toepoke which would have made no difference one way or the other if he had saved it. I for one don't feel confident in him and I don't think the defence does either. Anyway that's irrelevant because he is or keeper if KD isn't fit for the next month or so. Just like all our other players who arn't making the starting line up it,s time to step up and make it difficult for Artur to get back in. Starting Wednesday where we need to get back to winning after some extremely difficult games. Clever Dick

9:08am Mon 2 Dec 13

right back in the bar says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
It's a blow, for sure - unless you're one of those who, after the Arsenal match, wanted Boruc dropped, of course. However, it's the reality all clubs face and we've been lucky with injuries up to now. So, to use a crusty old training manuel phrase, we have to turn the threat (of losing Artur and Morgan) into an opportunity. This is an opportunity to see if those in the wings (Cork and Gazza) can step up.
Definitely - Spider is priceless but crazy to talk of lack of depth when we have a player of JC's calibre to come in for him. The Villa game will be just what needs to get in the grove. Still can't work out yesterdays game - Mourinho did something at half time for sure because we controlled the 1st half (although wasted some promising situations from wide on the Chelsea left). and the back four were superb. Usual bias big club referee - letting Ramirez get away with some many fouls - did any Chelsea player get a booking? Osvaldo could do with getting a goal or two on Wednesday.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: It's a blow, for sure - unless you're one of those who, after the Arsenal match, wanted Boruc dropped, of course. However, it's the reality all clubs face and we've been lucky with injuries up to now. So, to use a crusty old training manuel phrase, we have to turn the threat (of losing Artur and Morgan) into an opportunity. This is an opportunity to see if those in the wings (Cork and Gazza) can step up.[/p][/quote]Definitely - Spider is priceless but crazy to talk of lack of depth when we have a player of JC's calibre to come in for him. The Villa game will be just what needs to get in the grove. Still can't work out yesterdays game - Mourinho did something at half time for sure because we controlled the 1st half (although wasted some promising situations from wide on the Chelsea left). and the back four were superb. Usual bias big club referee - letting Ramirez get away with some many fouls - did any Chelsea player get a booking? Osvaldo could do with getting a goal or two on Wednesday. right back in the bar

9:15am Mon 2 Dec 13

Norwegian Saint says...

Osvaldo just has not clicked. He needs too many touches on the ball. Perfect example was he received the ball and (I think it was) J-Rod in soo much space screaming for the ball running unmarked on the left... Osvaldo... head down kept the ball for 5 or 6 seconds for the Chelzki boys to return.
He must start performing... more importantly he must start scoring.
I wish we had started with Rickie, his control and lay-offs are fantastic.
Christmas wishes...
A new striker like a Lukaku type
Another good back up keeper that really pushes Artur. (Is Neimi still around?!)
Poopey to be a laughing stock.... (oh, hold on... forget that, they all ready are!)
Osvaldo just has not clicked. He needs too many touches on the ball. Perfect example was he received the ball and (I think it was) J-Rod in soo much space screaming for the ball running unmarked on the left... Osvaldo... head down kept the ball for 5 or 6 seconds for the Chelzki boys to return. He must start performing... more importantly he must start scoring. I wish we had started with Rickie, his control and lay-offs are fantastic. Christmas wishes... A new striker like a Lukaku type Another good back up keeper that really pushes Artur. (Is Neimi still around?!) Poopey to be a laughing stock.... (oh, hold on... forget that, they all ready are!) Norwegian Saint

9:20am Mon 2 Dec 13

s@int Matt says...

I think Gazza could have done a little better with the Chelsea 2nd goal. Why dive to your left and try throwing your right hand across you to stop the ball when your left hand can reach further. If he had put conviction into using his left hand he may have finger tipped it
I think Gazza could have done a little better with the Chelsea 2nd goal. Why dive to your left and try throwing your right hand across you to stop the ball when your left hand can reach further. If he had put conviction into using his left hand he may have finger tipped it s@int Matt

9:26am Mon 2 Dec 13

StElsass says...

right back in the bar wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
It's a blow, for sure - unless you're one of those who, after the Arsenal match, wanted Boruc dropped, of course. However, it's the reality all clubs face and we've been lucky with injuries up to now. So, to use a crusty old training manuel phrase, we have to turn the threat (of losing Artur and Morgan) into an opportunity. This is an opportunity to see if those in the wings (Cork and Gazza) can step up.
Definitely - Spider is priceless but crazy to talk of lack of depth when we have a player of JC's calibre to come in for him. The Villa game will be just what needs to get in the grove. Still can't work out yesterdays game - Mourinho did something at half time for sure because we controlled the 1st half (although wasted some promising situations from wide on the Chelsea left). and the back four were superb. Usual bias big club referee - letting Ramirez get away with some many fouls - did any Chelsea player get a booking? Osvaldo could do with getting a goal or two on Wednesday.
He brought another striker on and played a more direct game and pressed higher up. That only started working after we conceded the first goal, though, as we seemed to lose our composure and confidence from that point.
The Villa game has now become very important, because the way we play is based precisely on that composure and confidence and we need to get a result to keep that going, especially looking at the games coming up after that.
I think that Wednesday will show us what the team is really made of.
And I don't really see what's depressing about being mid table at Christmas. It's steady progress compared to last year. Despite all the big talk of CL and European football, top 10 should be the objective for this season. More would be a bonus. A welcome one, but a bonus nonetheless.
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: It's a blow, for sure - unless you're one of those who, after the Arsenal match, wanted Boruc dropped, of course. However, it's the reality all clubs face and we've been lucky with injuries up to now. So, to use a crusty old training manuel phrase, we have to turn the threat (of losing Artur and Morgan) into an opportunity. This is an opportunity to see if those in the wings (Cork and Gazza) can step up.[/p][/quote]Definitely - Spider is priceless but crazy to talk of lack of depth when we have a player of JC's calibre to come in for him. The Villa game will be just what needs to get in the grove. Still can't work out yesterdays game - Mourinho did something at half time for sure because we controlled the 1st half (although wasted some promising situations from wide on the Chelsea left). and the back four were superb. Usual bias big club referee - letting Ramirez get away with some many fouls - did any Chelsea player get a booking? Osvaldo could do with getting a goal or two on Wednesday.[/p][/quote]He brought another striker on and played a more direct game and pressed higher up. That only started working after we conceded the first goal, though, as we seemed to lose our composure and confidence from that point. The Villa game has now become very important, because the way we play is based precisely on that composure and confidence and we need to get a result to keep that going, especially looking at the games coming up after that. I think that Wednesday will show us what the team is really made of. And I don't really see what's depressing about being mid table at Christmas. It's steady progress compared to last year. Despite all the big talk of CL and European football, top 10 should be the objective for this season. More would be a bonus. A welcome one, but a bonus nonetheless. StElsass

9:36am Mon 2 Dec 13

right back in the bar says...

Norwegian Saint wrote:
Osvaldo just has not clicked. He needs too many touches on the ball. Perfect example was he received the ball and (I think it was) J-Rod in soo much space screaming for the ball running unmarked on the left... Osvaldo... head down kept the ball for 5 or 6 seconds for the Chelzki boys to return.
He must start performing... more importantly he must start scoring.
I wish we had started with Rickie, his control and lay-offs are fantastic.
Christmas wishes...
A new striker like a Lukaku type
Another good back up keeper that really pushes Artur. (Is Neimi still around?!)
Poopey to be a laughing stock.... (oh, hold on... forget that, they all ready are!)
that's true about RL so why not try playing them together - Osvaldo playing off RL or JRod a more orthodox central striker. Playing one up on their own might be the reason we lack an edge. We have 3 good strikers its about finding the right blend/formation.
[quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: Osvaldo just has not clicked. He needs too many touches on the ball. Perfect example was he received the ball and (I think it was) J-Rod in soo much space screaming for the ball running unmarked on the left... Osvaldo... head down kept the ball for 5 or 6 seconds for the Chelzki boys to return. He must start performing... more importantly he must start scoring. I wish we had started with Rickie, his control and lay-offs are fantastic. Christmas wishes... A new striker like a Lukaku type Another good back up keeper that really pushes Artur. (Is Neimi still around?!) Poopey to be a laughing stock.... (oh, hold on... forget that, they all ready are!)[/p][/quote]that's true about RL so why not try playing them together - Osvaldo playing off RL or JRod a more orthodox central striker. Playing one up on their own might be the reason we lack an edge. We have 3 good strikers its about finding the right blend/formation. right back in the bar

9:41am Mon 2 Dec 13

george chivers says...

Norwegian Saint wrote:
Osvaldo just has not clicked. He needs too many touches on the ball. Perfect example was he received the ball and (I think it was) J-Rod in soo much space screaming for the ball running unmarked on the left... Osvaldo... head down kept the ball for 5 or 6 seconds for the Chelzki boys to return.
He must start performing... more importantly he must start scoring.
I wish we had started with Rickie, his control and lay-offs are fantastic.
Christmas wishes...
A new striker like a Lukaku type
Another good back up keeper that really pushes Artur. (Is Neimi still around?!)
Poopey to be a laughing stock.... (oh, hold on... forget that, they all ready are!)
I agree with you about Osvaldo. He seems to have similar characteristics to Ramirez., now he's under pressure to score, he is holding on to the ball too long, having too many touches, and shooting from long range, looking for a glory goal. Where as he would be better of playing quick passes, going for the returns and looking for a tap in. A goal, is a goal, is a goal.

We need to beat Villa this week, no messing. Our squad is now being tested in the middle of a tough run of fixtures. We need to respond, and based on yesterday's game, improve the accuracy of our passing, and make sure we don't get caught in possession.

Personally, I would prefer Gazzaniga to Kelvin, but I'm sure some will disagree. Not much in it really, I think.

COYR stuff Villa STID
[quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: Osvaldo just has not clicked. He needs too many touches on the ball. Perfect example was he received the ball and (I think it was) J-Rod in soo much space screaming for the ball running unmarked on the left... Osvaldo... head down kept the ball for 5 or 6 seconds for the Chelzki boys to return. He must start performing... more importantly he must start scoring. I wish we had started with Rickie, his control and lay-offs are fantastic. Christmas wishes... A new striker like a Lukaku type Another good back up keeper that really pushes Artur. (Is Neimi still around?!) Poopey to be a laughing stock.... (oh, hold on... forget that, they all ready are!)[/p][/quote]I agree with you about Osvaldo. He seems to have similar characteristics to Ramirez., now he's under pressure to score, he is holding on to the ball too long, having too many touches, and shooting from long range, looking for a glory goal. Where as he would be better of playing quick passes, going for the returns and looking for a tap in. A goal, is a goal, is a goal. We need to beat Villa this week, no messing. Our squad is now being tested in the middle of a tough run of fixtures. We need to respond, and based on yesterday's game, improve the accuracy of our passing, and make sure we don't get caught in possession. Personally, I would prefer Gazzaniga to Kelvin, but I'm sure some will disagree. Not much in it really, I think. COYR stuff Villa STID george chivers

9:49am Mon 2 Dec 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

StElsass wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
It's a blow, for sure - unless you're one of those who, after the Arsenal match, wanted Boruc dropped, of course. However, it's the reality all clubs face and we've been lucky with injuries up to now. So, to use a crusty old training manuel phrase, we have to turn the threat (of losing Artur and Morgan) into an opportunity. This is an opportunity to see if those in the wings (Cork and Gazza) can step up.
Definitely - Spider is priceless but crazy to talk of lack of depth when we have a player of JC's calibre to come in for him. The Villa game will be just what needs to get in the grove. Still can't work out yesterdays game - Mourinho did something at half time for sure because we controlled the 1st half (although wasted some promising situations from wide on the Chelsea left). and the back four were superb. Usual bias big club referee - letting Ramirez get away with some many fouls - did any Chelsea player get a booking? Osvaldo could do with getting a goal or two on Wednesday.
He brought another striker on and played a more direct game and pressed higher up. That only started working after we conceded the first goal, though, as we seemed to lose our composure and confidence from that point.
The Villa game has now become very important, because the way we play is based precisely on that composure and confidence and we need to get a result to keep that going, especially looking at the games coming up after that.
I think that Wednesday will show us what the team is really made of.
And I don't really see what's depressing about being mid table at Christmas. It's steady progress compared to last year. Despite all the big talk of CL and European football, top 10 should be the objective for this season. More would be a bonus. A welcome one, but a bonus nonetheless.
Yes, once they had Ba and Torres together, they stretched our centre backs more.

RBITB, the ref did book Essien for a loony dive. I was disappointed in that because he has always struck me as an honest guy.

Ramirez is nothing short of a cheat - talented, yes, but he moans, dives and fouls for fun - and got away with a lot.

Both Cahill and Dani could have seen red for elbows.
[quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: It's a blow, for sure - unless you're one of those who, after the Arsenal match, wanted Boruc dropped, of course. However, it's the reality all clubs face and we've been lucky with injuries up to now. So, to use a crusty old training manuel phrase, we have to turn the threat (of losing Artur and Morgan) into an opportunity. This is an opportunity to see if those in the wings (Cork and Gazza) can step up.[/p][/quote]Definitely - Spider is priceless but crazy to talk of lack of depth when we have a player of JC's calibre to come in for him. The Villa game will be just what needs to get in the grove. Still can't work out yesterdays game - Mourinho did something at half time for sure because we controlled the 1st half (although wasted some promising situations from wide on the Chelsea left). and the back four were superb. Usual bias big club referee - letting Ramirez get away with some many fouls - did any Chelsea player get a booking? Osvaldo could do with getting a goal or two on Wednesday.[/p][/quote]He brought another striker on and played a more direct game and pressed higher up. That only started working after we conceded the first goal, though, as we seemed to lose our composure and confidence from that point. The Villa game has now become very important, because the way we play is based precisely on that composure and confidence and we need to get a result to keep that going, especially looking at the games coming up after that. I think that Wednesday will show us what the team is really made of. And I don't really see what's depressing about being mid table at Christmas. It's steady progress compared to last year. Despite all the big talk of CL and European football, top 10 should be the objective for this season. More would be a bonus. A welcome one, but a bonus nonetheless.[/p][/quote]Yes, once they had Ba and Torres together, they stretched our centre backs more. RBITB, the ref did book Essien for a loony dive. I was disappointed in that because he has always struck me as an honest guy. Ramirez is nothing short of a cheat - talented, yes, but he moans, dives and fouls for fun - and got away with a lot. Both Cahill and Dani could have seen red for elbows. Strasbourg Saint

9:49am Mon 2 Dec 13

redsnapper says...

george chivers wrote:
Norwegian Saint wrote:
Osvaldo just has not clicked. He needs too many touches on the ball. Perfect example was he received the ball and (I think it was) J-Rod in soo much space screaming for the ball running unmarked on the left... Osvaldo... head down kept the ball for 5 or 6 seconds for the Chelzki boys to return.
He must start performing... more importantly he must start scoring.
I wish we had started with Rickie, his control and lay-offs are fantastic.
Christmas wishes...
A new striker like a Lukaku type
Another good back up keeper that really pushes Artur. (Is Neimi still around?!)
Poopey to be a laughing stock.... (oh, hold on... forget that, they all ready are!)
I agree with you about Osvaldo. He seems to have similar characteristics to Ramirez., now he's under pressure to score, he is holding on to the ball too long, having too many touches, and shooting from long range, looking for a glory goal. Where as he would be better of playing quick passes, going for the returns and looking for a tap in. A goal, is a goal, is a goal.

We need to beat Villa this week, no messing. Our squad is now being tested in the middle of a tough run of fixtures. We need to respond, and based on yesterday's game, improve the accuracy of our passing, and make sure we don't get caught in possession.

Personally, I would prefer Gazzaniga to Kelvin, but I'm sure some will disagree. Not much in it really, I think.

COYR stuff Villa STID
I thought Gazza did well yesterday, he was hardly ready for the sudden change of events but once on looked confident and athletic. I suspect he is a better bet than KD .

No point wasting tie speculating n the ridiculously boring transfer window, we all know that Saints do it their way and the papers just talk rucking fubbish.

2 big homes now, forget the Xmas shop come and roar the lads to 6 points..
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: Osvaldo just has not clicked. He needs too many touches on the ball. Perfect example was he received the ball and (I think it was) J-Rod in soo much space screaming for the ball running unmarked on the left... Osvaldo... head down kept the ball for 5 or 6 seconds for the Chelzki boys to return. He must start performing... more importantly he must start scoring. I wish we had started with Rickie, his control and lay-offs are fantastic. Christmas wishes... A new striker like a Lukaku type Another good back up keeper that really pushes Artur. (Is Neimi still around?!) Poopey to be a laughing stock.... (oh, hold on... forget that, they all ready are!)[/p][/quote]I agree with you about Osvaldo. He seems to have similar characteristics to Ramirez., now he's under pressure to score, he is holding on to the ball too long, having too many touches, and shooting from long range, looking for a glory goal. Where as he would be better of playing quick passes, going for the returns and looking for a tap in. A goal, is a goal, is a goal. We need to beat Villa this week, no messing. Our squad is now being tested in the middle of a tough run of fixtures. We need to respond, and based on yesterday's game, improve the accuracy of our passing, and make sure we don't get caught in possession. Personally, I would prefer Gazzaniga to Kelvin, but I'm sure some will disagree. Not much in it really, I think. COYR stuff Villa STID[/p][/quote]I thought Gazza did well yesterday, he was hardly ready for the sudden change of events but once on looked confident and athletic. I suspect he is a better bet than KD . No point wasting tie speculating n the ridiculously boring transfer window, we all know that Saints do it their way and the papers just talk rucking fubbish. 2 big homes now, forget the Xmas shop come and roar the lads to 6 points.. redsnapper

9:58am Mon 2 Dec 13

mbetts says...

Is this story based on any facts or just an assumption on the worse case scenario? Has he fractured his hand? Confirmation from the club? Seems like an echo journalist is just scare mongering and until theres official word from the club I won't panic #prayforboruc
Is this story based on any facts or just an assumption on the worse case scenario? Has he fractured his hand? Confirmation from the club? Seems like an echo journalist is just scare mongering and until theres official word from the club I won't panic #prayforboruc mbetts

10:01am Mon 2 Dec 13

StElsass says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
StElsass wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
It's a blow, for sure - unless you're one of those who, after the Arsenal match, wanted Boruc dropped, of course. However, it's the reality all clubs face and we've been lucky with injuries up to now. So, to use a crusty old training manuel phrase, we have to turn the threat (of losing Artur and Morgan) into an opportunity. This is an opportunity to see if those in the wings (Cork and Gazza) can step up.
Definitely - Spider is priceless but crazy to talk of lack of depth when we have a player of JC's calibre to come in for him. The Villa game will be just what needs to get in the grove. Still can't work out yesterdays game - Mourinho did something at half time for sure because we controlled the 1st half (although wasted some promising situations from wide on the Chelsea left). and the back four were superb. Usual bias big club referee - letting Ramirez get away with some many fouls - did any Chelsea player get a booking? Osvaldo could do with getting a goal or two on Wednesday.
He brought another striker on and played a more direct game and pressed higher up. That only started working after we conceded the first goal, though, as we seemed to lose our composure and confidence from that point.
The Villa game has now become very important, because the way we play is based precisely on that composure and confidence and we need to get a result to keep that going, especially looking at the games coming up after that.
I think that Wednesday will show us what the team is really made of.
And I don't really see what's depressing about being mid table at Christmas. It's steady progress compared to last year. Despite all the big talk of CL and European football, top 10 should be the objective for this season. More would be a bonus. A welcome one, but a bonus nonetheless.
Yes, once they had Ba and Torres together, they stretched our centre backs more.

RBITB, the ref did book Essien for a loony dive. I was disappointed in that because he has always struck me as an honest guy.

Ramirez is nothing short of a cheat - talented, yes, but he moans, dives and fouls for fun - and got away with a lot.

Both Cahill and Dani could have seen red for elbows.
If I was a betting man, I would put money on Osvaldo getting a red card before scoring his next goal!! He certainly seems very short tempered and I wish he wasted less time arguing every decision.
I'm working on the dinner with Morgan, by the way :0)
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: It's a blow, for sure - unless you're one of those who, after the Arsenal match, wanted Boruc dropped, of course. However, it's the reality all clubs face and we've been lucky with injuries up to now. So, to use a crusty old training manuel phrase, we have to turn the threat (of losing Artur and Morgan) into an opportunity. This is an opportunity to see if those in the wings (Cork and Gazza) can step up.[/p][/quote]Definitely - Spider is priceless but crazy to talk of lack of depth when we have a player of JC's calibre to come in for him. The Villa game will be just what needs to get in the grove. Still can't work out yesterdays game - Mourinho did something at half time for sure because we controlled the 1st half (although wasted some promising situations from wide on the Chelsea left). and the back four were superb. Usual bias big club referee - letting Ramirez get away with some many fouls - did any Chelsea player get a booking? Osvaldo could do with getting a goal or two on Wednesday.[/p][/quote]He brought another striker on and played a more direct game and pressed higher up. That only started working after we conceded the first goal, though, as we seemed to lose our composure and confidence from that point. The Villa game has now become very important, because the way we play is based precisely on that composure and confidence and we need to get a result to keep that going, especially looking at the games coming up after that. I think that Wednesday will show us what the team is really made of. And I don't really see what's depressing about being mid table at Christmas. It's steady progress compared to last year. Despite all the big talk of CL and European football, top 10 should be the objective for this season. More would be a bonus. A welcome one, but a bonus nonetheless.[/p][/quote]Yes, once they had Ba and Torres together, they stretched our centre backs more. RBITB, the ref did book Essien for a loony dive. I was disappointed in that because he has always struck me as an honest guy. Ramirez is nothing short of a cheat - talented, yes, but he moans, dives and fouls for fun - and got away with a lot. Both Cahill and Dani could have seen red for elbows.[/p][/quote]If I was a betting man, I would put money on Osvaldo getting a red card before scoring his next goal!! He certainly seems very short tempered and I wish he wasted less time arguing every decision. I'm working on the dinner with Morgan, by the way :0) StElsass

10:04am Mon 2 Dec 13

StElsass says...

mbetts wrote:
Is this story based on any facts or just an assumption on the worse case scenario? Has he fractured his hand? Confirmation from the club? Seems like an echo journalist is just scare mongering and until theres official word from the club I won't panic #prayforboruc
It was announced on MOTD2 last night as a communication from the club.
[quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: Is this story based on any facts or just an assumption on the worse case scenario? Has he fractured his hand? Confirmation from the club? Seems like an echo journalist is just scare mongering and until theres official word from the club I won't panic #prayforboruc[/p][/quote]It was announced on MOTD2 last night as a communication from the club. StElsass

10:13am Mon 2 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

mbetts wrote:
Is this story based on any facts or just an assumption on the worse case scenario? Has he fractured his hand? Confirmation from the club? Seems like an echo journalist is just scare mongering and until theres official word from the club I won't panic #prayforboruc
News Now Southampton is a site that often has the story, long before it has been made official by the Club, and Saints Twitter is often ahead of the rest. The Club has always been notoriously slow in feeding its supporters with information, seemingly for fear of letting the opposition gain some sort of advantage I guess?
[quote][p][bold]mbetts[/bold] wrote: Is this story based on any facts or just an assumption on the worse case scenario? Has he fractured his hand? Confirmation from the club? Seems like an echo journalist is just scare mongering and until theres official word from the club I won't panic #prayforboruc[/p][/quote]News Now Southampton is a site that often has the story, long before it has been made official by the Club, and Saints Twitter is often ahead of the rest. The Club has always been notoriously slow in feeding its supporters with information, seemingly for fear of letting the opposition gain some sort of advantage I guess? OSPREYSAINT

10:19am Mon 2 Dec 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

warrens 76 wrote:
andoru wrote:
Downvote me away, but it's not such an unrealistic prediction. It's pretty tight at the top, with just six points between 2nd and 9th. Boruc has earned us a fair amount of our points this season with his saves. Plenty of us have been blinded by our defensive record into thinking our back four are impermeable, but they aren't. Artur has had to make a whole host of crucial saves this season when the last line has been beaten. I hope I am proved wrong, but I just don't believe young Gazzaniga is of the same calibre. From the little we've seen of him it seems he doesn't have Boruc's presence, experience or bravery. I see us shipping a few more goals under him than we would with AB, meaning out forwards are going to have to score a lot more than they are for us to win. I can honestly see us sitting mid-table at the end of the year, albeit not that far off the European spots as it will remain tight.
Last season I felt we would stay up if we kept scoring and tightened the defense…this season we just cannot score and chances are getting thinner on th ground..ideas?
We could try playing 4-4-5 :-)

It's hard to pin-point and no doubt the person best placed to find the solution is MP.

I think it's possibly 3 things:

1. diagonal runs. A couple of times yesterday, Adam stopped rather than run outside and draw a defender/provide an outlet. He and others do do this, but maybe not enough. Certainly not enough yesterday.
2. the final ball. Yesterday wasn't JWP's finest match from the right. He wasn't alone. It's easy to criticise Dani but the service he had yesterday and the 'close' attention he received from Cahill didn't help him.
3. pace.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: Downvote me away, but it's not such an unrealistic prediction. It's pretty tight at the top, with just six points between 2nd and 9th. Boruc has earned us a fair amount of our points this season with his saves. Plenty of us have been blinded by our defensive record into thinking our back four are impermeable, but they aren't. Artur has had to make a whole host of crucial saves this season when the last line has been beaten. I hope I am proved wrong, but I just don't believe young Gazzaniga is of the same calibre. From the little we've seen of him it seems he doesn't have Boruc's presence, experience or bravery. I see us shipping a few more goals under him than we would with AB, meaning out forwards are going to have to score a lot more than they are for us to win. I can honestly see us sitting mid-table at the end of the year, albeit not that far off the European spots as it will remain tight.[/p][/quote]Last season I felt we would stay up if we kept scoring and tightened the defense…this season we just cannot score and chances are getting thinner on th ground..ideas?[/p][/quote]We could try playing 4-4-5 :-) It's hard to pin-point and no doubt the person best placed to find the solution is MP. I think it's possibly 3 things: 1. diagonal runs. A couple of times yesterday, Adam stopped rather than run outside and draw a defender/provide an outlet. He and others do do this, but maybe not enough. Certainly not enough yesterday. 2. the final ball. Yesterday wasn't JWP's finest match from the right. He wasn't alone. It's easy to criticise Dani but the service he had yesterday and the 'close' attention he received from Cahill didn't help him. 3. pace. Strasbourg Saint

10:22am Mon 2 Dec 13

ere-we-go says...

So, here we all go with the doom and gloom.

Look at the league, then look at the amount of games lost so far this season!

If anyone really thinks that we are in a precarious position they need to go and sit in a dork room and put their thoughts into perspective.

Saints are doing brilliantly well so far, sit 7th in the league and have lost our last two games to teams that could win the Premier League title.

We have a young, up and coming squad that I am proud to watch every week and am reveling in the positivity in the city and for once in the media.

Why is it, that the minute we have a blip or, dare I utter the words "lose a game" that people start to think things are going wrong. Boruc is injured and Gazza conceded two well taken goals that he stood no chance of stopping.

Morgan is injured, so what, Jack Cork was easily one of our best players last season and will fit in Im sure.

This is a great club, heading in the right direction.
So, here we all go with the doom and gloom. Look at the league, then look at the amount of games lost so far this season! If anyone really thinks that we are in a precarious position they need to go and sit in a dork room and put their thoughts into perspective. Saints are doing brilliantly well so far, sit 7th in the league and have lost our last two games to teams that could win the Premier League title. We have a young, up and coming squad that I am proud to watch every week and am reveling in the positivity in the city and for once in the media. Why is it, that the minute we have a blip or, dare I utter the words "lose a game" that people start to think things are going wrong. Boruc is injured and Gazza conceded two well taken goals that he stood no chance of stopping. Morgan is injured, so what, Jack Cork was easily one of our best players last season and will fit in Im sure. This is a great club, heading in the right direction. ere-we-go

10:25am Mon 2 Dec 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

StElsass wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
StElsass wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
It's a blow, for sure - unless you're one of those who, after the Arsenal match, wanted Boruc dropped, of course. However, it's the reality all clubs face and we've been lucky with injuries up to now. So, to use a crusty old training manuel phrase, we have to turn the threat (of losing Artur and Morgan) into an opportunity. This is an opportunity to see if those in the wings (Cork and Gazza) can step up.
Definitely - Spider is priceless but crazy to talk of lack of depth when we have a player of JC's calibre to come in for him. The Villa game will be just what needs to get in the grove. Still can't work out yesterdays game - Mourinho did something at half time for sure because we controlled the 1st half (although wasted some promising situations from wide on the Chelsea left). and the back four were superb. Usual bias big club referee - letting Ramirez get away with some many fouls - did any Chelsea player get a booking? Osvaldo could do with getting a goal or two on Wednesday.
He brought another striker on and played a more direct game and pressed higher up. That only started working after we conceded the first goal, though, as we seemed to lose our composure and confidence from that point.
The Villa game has now become very important, because the way we play is based precisely on that composure and confidence and we need to get a result to keep that going, especially looking at the games coming up after that.
I think that Wednesday will show us what the team is really made of.
And I don't really see what's depressing about being mid table at Christmas. It's steady progress compared to last year. Despite all the big talk of CL and European football, top 10 should be the objective for this season. More would be a bonus. A welcome one, but a bonus nonetheless.
Yes, once they had Ba and Torres together, they stretched our centre backs more.

RBITB, the ref did book Essien for a loony dive. I was disappointed in that because he has always struck me as an honest guy.

Ramirez is nothing short of a cheat - talented, yes, but he moans, dives and fouls for fun - and got away with a lot.

Both Cahill and Dani could have seen red for elbows.
If I was a betting man, I would put money on Osvaldo getting a red card before scoring his next goal!! He certainly seems very short tempered and I wish he wasted less time arguing every decision.
I'm working on the dinner with Morgan, by the way :0)
Tres bien, Elsass.

I have a hunch that Dani will score on Wednesday.
[quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: It's a blow, for sure - unless you're one of those who, after the Arsenal match, wanted Boruc dropped, of course. However, it's the reality all clubs face and we've been lucky with injuries up to now. So, to use a crusty old training manuel phrase, we have to turn the threat (of losing Artur and Morgan) into an opportunity. This is an opportunity to see if those in the wings (Cork and Gazza) can step up.[/p][/quote]Definitely - Spider is priceless but crazy to talk of lack of depth when we have a player of JC's calibre to come in for him. The Villa game will be just what needs to get in the grove. Still can't work out yesterdays game - Mourinho did something at half time for sure because we controlled the 1st half (although wasted some promising situations from wide on the Chelsea left). and the back four were superb. Usual bias big club referee - letting Ramirez get away with some many fouls - did any Chelsea player get a booking? Osvaldo could do with getting a goal or two on Wednesday.[/p][/quote]He brought another striker on and played a more direct game and pressed higher up. That only started working after we conceded the first goal, though, as we seemed to lose our composure and confidence from that point. The Villa game has now become very important, because the way we play is based precisely on that composure and confidence and we need to get a result to keep that going, especially looking at the games coming up after that. I think that Wednesday will show us what the team is really made of. And I don't really see what's depressing about being mid table at Christmas. It's steady progress compared to last year. Despite all the big talk of CL and European football, top 10 should be the objective for this season. More would be a bonus. A welcome one, but a bonus nonetheless.[/p][/quote]Yes, once they had Ba and Torres together, they stretched our centre backs more. RBITB, the ref did book Essien for a loony dive. I was disappointed in that because he has always struck me as an honest guy. Ramirez is nothing short of a cheat - talented, yes, but he moans, dives and fouls for fun - and got away with a lot. Both Cahill and Dani could have seen red for elbows.[/p][/quote]If I was a betting man, I would put money on Osvaldo getting a red card before scoring his next goal!! He certainly seems very short tempered and I wish he wasted less time arguing every decision. I'm working on the dinner with Morgan, by the way :0)[/p][/quote]Tres bien, Elsass. I have a hunch that Dani will score on Wednesday. Strasbourg Saint

10:33am Mon 2 Dec 13

jls217 says...

This young keeper has to have his baptism of fire at some point or we are never going to know if he has what it takes to replace Borat a couple of years from now. Tough learning curve for him and tough on us if we lose too many points finding out. If he makes his mark we've sorted out the keeper problem for the next ten years if he doesn't we will then know for sure that we have to look for a replacement for Borat and him. Kelvin has been a great servant to the club and we should always be thankful he came along at the right time but his days are numbered and this is possibly the toughest league on the planet.
This young keeper has to have his baptism of fire at some point or we are never going to know if he has what it takes to replace Borat a couple of years from now. Tough learning curve for him and tough on us if we lose too many points finding out. If he makes his mark we've sorted out the keeper problem for the next ten years if he doesn't we will then know for sure that we have to look for a replacement for Borat and him. Kelvin has been a great servant to the club and we should always be thankful he came along at the right time but his days are numbered and this is possibly the toughest league on the planet. jls217

10:37am Mon 2 Dec 13

jls217 says...

Forgot to add - Said all along we need a tried and tested goal scorer, there were some available at the time. If we need to go hunting one at Xmas you can guarantee he won't come cheap. Reading what I have about the scouting system now in place at Saints there will already be a shortlist drawn up and being checked on a weekly basis - we need not panic, the club is in superb hands with NC and Dr Spoch. 7th on the lead up to Xmas - what a fantastic season.
Forgot to add - Said all along we need a tried and tested goal scorer, there were some available at the time. If we need to go hunting one at Xmas you can guarantee he won't come cheap. Reading what I have about the scouting system now in place at Saints there will already be a shortlist drawn up and being checked on a weekly basis - we need not panic, the club is in superb hands with NC and Dr Spoch. 7th on the lead up to Xmas - what a fantastic season. jls217

10:49am Mon 2 Dec 13

el caballo santos101 says...

whats the point in saying we need a `better` back up keeper? we couldn't get one for a month anyway and AB could well be back by then. gazza made a few mistakes last season, as AB has this. there was a lot more pressure on him last season because of our poor start and most of the media tipping us for the drop. I think gazza could turn into a good quality keeper but we will never know if he doesn't play. give him a chance and he might shine, we cant do much else anyway. we have good cover for spider, if he`s out, a lot of people have been calling for cork to get a start and now he might get a chance. we do have some really good midfielders s. davis and JWP could both also fill in if needed and Harrison reed has made the step up in recent weeks.

being mid table by Christmas is not a bad thing either, its a hell of a lot better than last year by the way.
whats the point in saying we need a `better` back up keeper? we couldn't get one for a month anyway and AB could well be back by then. gazza made a few mistakes last season, as AB has this. there was a lot more pressure on him last season because of our poor start and most of the media tipping us for the drop. I think gazza could turn into a good quality keeper but we will never know if he doesn't play. give him a chance and he might shine, we cant do much else anyway. we have good cover for spider, if he`s out, a lot of people have been calling for cork to get a start and now he might get a chance. we do have some really good midfielders s. davis and JWP could both also fill in if needed and Harrison reed has made the step up in recent weeks. being mid table by Christmas is not a bad thing either, its a hell of a lot better than last year by the way. el caballo santos101

11:01am Mon 2 Dec 13

Saintsayer II says...

Wenger & Jose as well as being top coaches have some of Europes top player at their disposal The big worry is if other coaches have learnt how to countet our system and if they do has MoPo got a plan B

can webuyt an emegency keepr in If so how about Given ?
Wenger & Jose as well as being top coaches have some of Europes top player at their disposal The big worry is if other coaches have learnt how to countet our system and if they do has MoPo got a plan B can webuyt an emegency keepr in If so how about Given ? Saintsayer II

11:05am Mon 2 Dec 13

StElsass says...

ere-we-go wrote:
So, here we all go with the doom and gloom.

Look at the league, then look at the amount of games lost so far this season!

If anyone really thinks that we are in a precarious position they need to go and sit in a dork room and put their thoughts into perspective.

Saints are doing brilliantly well so far, sit 7th in the league and have lost our last two games to teams that could win the Premier League title.

We have a young, up and coming squad that I am proud to watch every week and am reveling in the positivity in the city and for once in the media.

Why is it, that the minute we have a blip or, dare I utter the words "lose a game" that people start to think things are going wrong. Boruc is injured and Gazza conceded two well taken goals that he stood no chance of stopping.

Morgan is injured, so what, Jack Cork was easily one of our best players last season and will fit in Im sure.

This is a great club, heading in the right direction.
What doom and gloom? I can't see anything different in the other comments to what you just posted!
I find it actually refreshing that most people seem to agree that mid table at Christmas is positive. It's called managing expectations.
[quote][p][bold]ere-we-go[/bold] wrote: So, here we all go with the doom and gloom. Look at the league, then look at the amount of games lost so far this season! If anyone really thinks that we are in a precarious position they need to go and sit in a dork room and put their thoughts into perspective. Saints are doing brilliantly well so far, sit 7th in the league and have lost our last two games to teams that could win the Premier League title. We have a young, up and coming squad that I am proud to watch every week and am reveling in the positivity in the city and for once in the media. Why is it, that the minute we have a blip or, dare I utter the words "lose a game" that people start to think things are going wrong. Boruc is injured and Gazza conceded two well taken goals that he stood no chance of stopping. Morgan is injured, so what, Jack Cork was easily one of our best players last season and will fit in Im sure. This is a great club, heading in the right direction.[/p][/quote]What doom and gloom? I can't see anything different in the other comments to what you just posted! I find it actually refreshing that most people seem to agree that mid table at Christmas is positive. It's called managing expectations. StElsass

11:14am Mon 2 Dec 13

Saintsayer II says...

StElsass wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
StElsass wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
It's a blow, for sure - unless you're one of those who, after the Arsenal match, wanted Boruc dropped, of course. However, it's the reality all clubs face and we've been lucky with injuries up to now. So, to use a crusty old training manuel phrase, we have to turn the threat (of losing Artur and Morgan) into an opportunity. This is an opportunity to see if those in the wings (Cork and Gazza) can step up.
Definitely - Spider is priceless but crazy to talk of lack of depth when we have a player of JC's calibre to come in for him. The Villa game will be just what needs to get in the grove. Still can't work out yesterdays game - Mourinho did something at half time for sure because we controlled the 1st half (although wasted some promising situations from wide on the Chelsea left). and the back four were superb. Usual bias big club referee - letting Ramirez get away with some many fouls - did any Chelsea player get a booking? Osvaldo could do with getting a goal or two on Wednesday.
He brought another striker on and played a more direct game and pressed higher up. That only started working after we conceded the first goal, though, as we seemed to lose our composure and confidence from that point.
The Villa game has now become very important, because the way we play is based precisely on that composure and confidence and we need to get a result to keep that going, especially looking at the games coming up after that.
I think that Wednesday will show us what the team is really made of.
And I don't really see what's depressing about being mid table at Christmas. It's steady progress compared to last year. Despite all the big talk of CL and European football, top 10 should be the objective for this season. More would be a bonus. A welcome one, but a bonus nonetheless.
Yes, once they had Ba and Torres together, they stretched our centre backs more.

RBITB, the ref did book Essien for a loony dive. I was disappointed in that because he has always struck me as an honest guy.

Ramirez is nothing short of a cheat - talented, yes, but he moans, dives and fouls for fun - and got away with a lot.

Both Cahill and Dani could have seen red for elbows.
If I was a betting man, I would put money on Osvaldo getting a red card before scoring his next goal!! He certainly seems very short tempered and I wish he wasted less time arguing every decision.
I'm working on the dinner with Morgan, by the way :0)
I don't rate Italy for the world cup if they have to rely on Osvaldo scoring I always thought that you looked to improve the squad when splashing that amount of money Not giving jobs to your mates
[quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: It's a blow, for sure - unless you're one of those who, after the Arsenal match, wanted Boruc dropped, of course. However, it's the reality all clubs face and we've been lucky with injuries up to now. So, to use a crusty old training manuel phrase, we have to turn the threat (of losing Artur and Morgan) into an opportunity. This is an opportunity to see if those in the wings (Cork and Gazza) can step up.[/p][/quote]Definitely - Spider is priceless but crazy to talk of lack of depth when we have a player of JC's calibre to come in for him. The Villa game will be just what needs to get in the grove. Still can't work out yesterdays game - Mourinho did something at half time for sure because we controlled the 1st half (although wasted some promising situations from wide on the Chelsea left). and the back four were superb. Usual bias big club referee - letting Ramirez get away with some many fouls - did any Chelsea player get a booking? Osvaldo could do with getting a goal or two on Wednesday.[/p][/quote]He brought another striker on and played a more direct game and pressed higher up. That only started working after we conceded the first goal, though, as we seemed to lose our composure and confidence from that point. The Villa game has now become very important, because the way we play is based precisely on that composure and confidence and we need to get a result to keep that going, especially looking at the games coming up after that. I think that Wednesday will show us what the team is really made of. And I don't really see what's depressing about being mid table at Christmas. It's steady progress compared to last year. Despite all the big talk of CL and European football, top 10 should be the objective for this season. More would be a bonus. A welcome one, but a bonus nonetheless.[/p][/quote]Yes, once they had Ba and Torres together, they stretched our centre backs more. RBITB, the ref did book Essien for a loony dive. I was disappointed in that because he has always struck me as an honest guy. Ramirez is nothing short of a cheat - talented, yes, but he moans, dives and fouls for fun - and got away with a lot. Both Cahill and Dani could have seen red for elbows.[/p][/quote]If I was a betting man, I would put money on Osvaldo getting a red card before scoring his next goal!! He certainly seems very short tempered and I wish he wasted less time arguing every decision. I'm working on the dinner with Morgan, by the way :0)[/p][/quote]I don't rate Italy for the world cup if they have to rely on Osvaldo scoring I always thought that you looked to improve the squad when splashing that amount of money Not giving jobs to your mates Saintsayer II

11:56am Mon 2 Dec 13

Santa Retfordia says...

So be it. If Artur's injured then Gazza has to see this as his chance to step up. He's a year older, wiser and better coached than when we last saw him regularly, so let's see how he's come on.
So be it. If Artur's injured then Gazza has to see this as his chance to step up. He's a year older, wiser and better coached than when we last saw him regularly, so let's see how he's come on. Santa Retfordia

12:14pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Confucious says...

It was another bad day yesterday and disheartening to see our high hopes dashed. No doubt I was not alone in daring to imagine us in 2nd position.

But it's a cheering thought to imagine us in a much worse position. Not difficult either, because this time last year we were 3rd from bottom. By comparison right now our glass is more than half full.

Hopefully, we'll come out fast on Wednesday and score early. Our high energy style of play demands a confident and upbeat mindset. The crowd might also be a tad nervous against Villa and may be less vocal until we get ahead.

One thing for sure, we all need to keep our minds sharp and fully rational pre match so as not to forget to put all our lucky stuff on or go through our lucky rituals.

I think it's also important that Norge stays in fukcing Norway.
It was another bad day yesterday and disheartening to see our high hopes dashed. No doubt I was not alone in daring to imagine us in 2nd position. But it's a cheering thought to imagine us in a much worse position. Not difficult either, because this time last year we were 3rd from bottom. By comparison right now our glass is more than half full. Hopefully, we'll come out fast on Wednesday and score early. Our high energy style of play demands a confident and upbeat mindset. The crowd might also be a tad nervous against Villa and may be less vocal until we get ahead. One thing for sure, we all need to keep our minds sharp and fully rational pre match so as not to forget to put all our lucky stuff on or go through our lucky rituals. I think it's also important that Norge stays in fukcing Norway. Confucious

12:22pm Mon 2 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
Wenger & Jose as well as being top coaches have some of Europes top player at their disposal The big worry is if other coaches have learnt how to countet our system and if they do has MoPo got a plan B

can webuyt an emegency keepr in If so how about Given ?
Whatever the last line was supposed to say the answer is no.
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: Wenger & Jose as well as being top coaches have some of Europes top player at their disposal The big worry is if other coaches have learnt how to countet our system and if they do has MoPo got a plan B can webuyt an emegency keepr in If so how about Given ?[/p][/quote]Whatever the last line was supposed to say the answer is no. OSPREYSAINT

12:22pm Mon 2 Dec 13

SFCOLDBOY says...

Someone on here observed that Cahill had Osvaldo effectively in his pocket.
To a degree I accept this.
Where I differ is that Osvaldo allowed Cahill to get in front of him every time the ball was played up to him. He obviously is not learning from Rickie how to do this.
Even in the short time Rickie was on the pitch he managed to get away from his marker and link the play.
Osvaldo also does not appear to accept the notion that when you have lost the ball, that you have to work harder and to get it back,contrary to all our other players.
He also needs to look at his fellow players when they get a heavy tackle, they don't lay around, they get up and get on with it and don't just gob off at the ref.
He needs to forget the traits that come from Italy, he is playing in English football the SOUTHAMPTON WAY.
This sounds that I have a downer on him, just the contrary, I want to see him being a great success for our team. he appears to have the ability, I really hope he ups his game.
Wednesday would be a great time to start.
COYS.
Someone on here observed that Cahill had Osvaldo effectively in his pocket. To a degree I accept this. Where I differ is that Osvaldo allowed Cahill to get in front of him every time the ball was played up to him. He obviously is not learning from Rickie how to do this. Even in the short time Rickie was on the pitch he managed to get away from his marker and link the play. Osvaldo also does not appear to accept the notion that when you have lost the ball, that you have to work harder and to get it back,contrary to all our other players. He also needs to look at his fellow players when they get a heavy tackle, they don't lay around, they get up and get on with it and don't just gob off at the ref. He needs to forget the traits that come from Italy, he is playing in English football the SOUTHAMPTON WAY. This sounds that I have a downer on him, just the contrary, I want to see him being a great success for our team. he appears to have the ability, I really hope he ups his game. Wednesday would be a great time to start. COYS. SFCOLDBOY

12:24pm Mon 2 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

jls217 wrote:
Forgot to add - Said all along we need a tried and tested goal scorer, there were some available at the time. If we need to go hunting one at Xmas you can guarantee he won't come cheap. Reading what I have about the scouting system now in place at Saints there will already be a shortlist drawn up and being checked on a weekly basis - we need not panic, the club is in superb hands with NC and Dr Spoch. 7th on the lead up to Xmas - what a fantastic season.
Yes, what a pity Poch didn't have your wisdom at the time. Proves that he is as human as the rest of us.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: Forgot to add - Said all along we need a tried and tested goal scorer, there were some available at the time. If we need to go hunting one at Xmas you can guarantee he won't come cheap. Reading what I have about the scouting system now in place at Saints there will already be a shortlist drawn up and being checked on a weekly basis - we need not panic, the club is in superb hands with NC and Dr Spoch. 7th on the lead up to Xmas - what a fantastic season.[/p][/quote]Yes, what a pity Poch didn't have your wisdom at the time. Proves that he is as human as the rest of us. OSPREYSAINT

12:26pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Jesus_02 says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
So be it. If Artur's injured then Gazza has to see this as his chance to step up. He's a year older, wiser and better coached than when we last saw him regularly, so let's see how he's come on.
Couldn’t agree More... Saints are about getting young players through at the right time.

Gazza obviously has potential show he needs to be given a chance. Its always more dificult to give Keepers and CBs a chance because people are waiting for them to make mistakes, which are always so obvious if they do.
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: So be it. If Artur's injured then Gazza has to see this as his chance to step up. He's a year older, wiser and better coached than when we last saw him regularly, so let's see how he's come on.[/p][/quote]Couldn’t agree More... Saints are about getting young players through at the right time. Gazza obviously has potential show he needs to be given a chance. Its always more dificult to give Keepers and CBs a chance because people are waiting for them to make mistakes, which are always so obvious if they do. Jesus_02

12:30pm Mon 2 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
StElsass wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
StElsass wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
It's a blow, for sure - unless you're one of those who, after the Arsenal match, wanted Boruc dropped, of course. However, it's the reality all clubs face and we've been lucky with injuries up to now. So, to use a crusty old training manuel phrase, we have to turn the threat (of losing Artur and Morgan) into an opportunity. This is an opportunity to see if those in the wings (Cork and Gazza) can step up.
Definitely - Spider is priceless but crazy to talk of lack of depth when we have a player of JC's calibre to come in for him. The Villa game will be just what needs to get in the grove. Still can't work out yesterdays game - Mourinho did something at half time for sure because we controlled the 1st half (although wasted some promising situations from wide on the Chelsea left). and the back four were superb. Usual bias big club referee - letting Ramirez get away with some many fouls - did any Chelsea player get a booking? Osvaldo could do with getting a goal or two on Wednesday.
He brought another striker on and played a more direct game and pressed higher up. That only started working after we conceded the first goal, though, as we seemed to lose our composure and confidence from that point.
The Villa game has now become very important, because the way we play is based precisely on that composure and confidence and we need to get a result to keep that going, especially looking at the games coming up after that.
I think that Wednesday will show us what the team is really made of.
And I don't really see what's depressing about being mid table at Christmas. It's steady progress compared to last year. Despite all the big talk of CL and European football, top 10 should be the objective for this season. More would be a bonus. A welcome one, but a bonus nonetheless.
Yes, once they had Ba and Torres together, they stretched our centre backs more.

RBITB, the ref did book Essien for a loony dive. I was disappointed in that because he has always struck me as an honest guy.

Ramirez is nothing short of a cheat - talented, yes, but he moans, dives and fouls for fun - and got away with a lot.

Both Cahill and Dani could have seen red for elbows.
If I was a betting man, I would put money on Osvaldo getting a red card before scoring his next goal!! He certainly seems very short tempered and I wish he wasted less time arguing every decision.
I'm working on the dinner with Morgan, by the way :0)
Tres bien, Elsass.

I have a hunch that Dani will score on Wednesday.
Might even play well on the pitch too, if picked.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StElsass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: It's a blow, for sure - unless you're one of those who, after the Arsenal match, wanted Boruc dropped, of course. However, it's the reality all clubs face and we've been lucky with injuries up to now. So, to use a crusty old training manuel phrase, we have to turn the threat (of losing Artur and Morgan) into an opportunity. This is an opportunity to see if those in the wings (Cork and Gazza) can step up.[/p][/quote]Definitely - Spider is priceless but crazy to talk of lack of depth when we have a player of JC's calibre to come in for him. The Villa game will be just what needs to get in the grove. Still can't work out yesterdays game - Mourinho did something at half time for sure because we controlled the 1st half (although wasted some promising situations from wide on the Chelsea left). and the back four were superb. Usual bias big club referee - letting Ramirez get away with some many fouls - did any Chelsea player get a booking? Osvaldo could do with getting a goal or two on Wednesday.[/p][/quote]He brought another striker on and played a more direct game and pressed higher up. That only started working after we conceded the first goal, though, as we seemed to lose our composure and confidence from that point. The Villa game has now become very important, because the way we play is based precisely on that composure and confidence and we need to get a result to keep that going, especially looking at the games coming up after that. I think that Wednesday will show us what the team is really made of. And I don't really see what's depressing about being mid table at Christmas. It's steady progress compared to last year. Despite all the big talk of CL and European football, top 10 should be the objective for this season. More would be a bonus. A welcome one, but a bonus nonetheless.[/p][/quote]Yes, once they had Ba and Torres together, they stretched our centre backs more. RBITB, the ref did book Essien for a loony dive. I was disappointed in that because he has always struck me as an honest guy. Ramirez is nothing short of a cheat - talented, yes, but he moans, dives and fouls for fun - and got away with a lot. Both Cahill and Dani could have seen red for elbows.[/p][/quote]If I was a betting man, I would put money on Osvaldo getting a red card before scoring his next goal!! He certainly seems very short tempered and I wish he wasted less time arguing every decision. I'm working on the dinner with Morgan, by the way :0)[/p][/quote]Tres bien, Elsass. I have a hunch that Dani will score on Wednesday.[/p][/quote]Might even play well on the pitch too, if picked. OSPREYSAINT

12:58pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Santa Retfordia says...

Confucious wrote:
It was another bad day yesterday and disheartening to see our high hopes dashed. No doubt I was not alone in daring to imagine us in 2nd position.

But it's a cheering thought to imagine us in a much worse position. Not difficult either, because this time last year we were 3rd from bottom. By comparison right now our glass is more than half full.

Hopefully, we'll come out fast on Wednesday and score early. Our high energy style of play demands a confident and upbeat mindset. The crowd might also be a tad nervous against Villa and may be less vocal until we get ahead.

One thing for sure, we all need to keep our minds sharp and fully rational pre match so as not to forget to put all our lucky stuff on or go through our lucky rituals.

I think it's also important that Norge stays in fukcing Norway.
This!

I hate to highlight individuals for blame in what is a team performance but, seriously, Norge is a weak link at the moment. He really needs to up his game and stop getting caught out of position.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: It was another bad day yesterday and disheartening to see our high hopes dashed. No doubt I was not alone in daring to imagine us in 2nd position. But it's a cheering thought to imagine us in a much worse position. Not difficult either, because this time last year we were 3rd from bottom. By comparison right now our glass is more than half full. Hopefully, we'll come out fast on Wednesday and score early. Our high energy style of play demands a confident and upbeat mindset. The crowd might also be a tad nervous against Villa and may be less vocal until we get ahead. One thing for sure, we all need to keep our minds sharp and fully rational pre match so as not to forget to put all our lucky stuff on or go through our lucky rituals. I think it's also important that Norge stays in fukcing Norway.[/p][/quote]This! I hate to highlight individuals for blame in what is a team performance but, seriously, Norge is a weak link at the moment. He really needs to up his game and stop getting caught out of position. Santa Retfordia

1:06pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Santa Retfordia says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
So be it. If Artur's injured then Gazza has to see this as his chance to step up. He's a year older, wiser and better coached than when we last saw him regularly, so let's see how he's come on.
Couldn’t agree More... Saints are about getting young players through at the right time.

Gazza obviously has potential show he needs to be given a chance. Its always more dificult to give Keepers and CBs a chance because people are waiting for them to make mistakes, which are always so obvious if they do.
Gazza's main problem was that he was a bit iffy on crosses, but this is something that can be sorted through coaching - especially by coaches as good as ours.

I'm backing him to do alright.
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: So be it. If Artur's injured then Gazza has to see this as his chance to step up. He's a year older, wiser and better coached than when we last saw him regularly, so let's see how he's come on.[/p][/quote]Couldn’t agree More... Saints are about getting young players through at the right time. Gazza obviously has potential show he needs to be given a chance. Its always more dificult to give Keepers and CBs a chance because people are waiting for them to make mistakes, which are always so obvious if they do.[/p][/quote]Gazza's main problem was that he was a bit iffy on crosses, but this is something that can be sorted through coaching - especially by coaches as good as ours. I'm backing him to do alright. Santa Retfordia

1:49pm Mon 2 Dec 13

insane saint says...

SFCOLDBOY wrote:
Someone on here observed that Cahill had Osvaldo effectively in his pocket.
To a degree I accept this.
Where I differ is that Osvaldo allowed Cahill to get in front of him every time the ball was played up to him. He obviously is not learning from Rickie how to do this.
Even in the short time Rickie was on the pitch he managed to get away from his marker and link the play.
Osvaldo also does not appear to accept the notion that when you have lost the ball, that you have to work harder and to get it back,contrary to all our other players.
He also needs to look at his fellow players when they get a heavy tackle, they don't lay around, they get up and get on with it and don't just gob off at the ref.
He needs to forget the traits that come from Italy, he is playing in English football the SOUTHAMPTON WAY.
This sounds that I have a downer on him, just the contrary, I want to see him being a great success for our team. he appears to have the ability, I really hope he ups his game.
Wednesday would be a great time to start.
COYS.
dare i say it against 'er in doors other team.......... ozzie ozzie ozzie oi oi oi... COYS
[quote][p][bold]SFCOLDBOY[/bold] wrote: Someone on here observed that Cahill had Osvaldo effectively in his pocket. To a degree I accept this. Where I differ is that Osvaldo allowed Cahill to get in front of him every time the ball was played up to him. He obviously is not learning from Rickie how to do this. Even in the short time Rickie was on the pitch he managed to get away from his marker and link the play. Osvaldo also does not appear to accept the notion that when you have lost the ball, that you have to work harder and to get it back,contrary to all our other players. He also needs to look at his fellow players when they get a heavy tackle, they don't lay around, they get up and get on with it and don't just gob off at the ref. He needs to forget the traits that come from Italy, he is playing in English football the SOUTHAMPTON WAY. This sounds that I have a downer on him, just the contrary, I want to see him being a great success for our team. he appears to have the ability, I really hope he ups his game. Wednesday would be a great time to start. COYS.[/p][/quote]dare i say it against 'er in doors other team.......... ozzie ozzie ozzie oi oi oi... COYS insane saint

2:18pm Mon 2 Dec 13

CB FRY LIVES says...

Nod wrote:
Cody Cropper on the bench for Wednesday then.
Why not start with him.Gazza let us down several times last season and he didn't inspire me with confidence on Sunday.
[quote][p][bold]Nod[/bold] wrote: Cody Cropper on the bench for Wednesday then.[/p][/quote]Why not start with him.Gazza let us down several times last season and he didn't inspire me with confidence on Sunday. CB FRY LIVES

2:26pm Mon 2 Dec 13

jls217 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Forgot to add - Said all along we need a tried and tested goal scorer, there were some available at the time. If we need to go hunting one at Xmas you can guarantee he won't come cheap. Reading what I have about the scouting system now in place at Saints there will already be a shortlist drawn up and being checked on a weekly basis - we need not panic, the club is in superb hands with NC and Dr Spoch. 7th on the lead up to Xmas - what a fantastic season.
Yes, what a pity Poch didn't have your wisdom at the time. Proves that he is as human as the rest of us.
Sarcasm not really required mate. Merely stating what others have already said many times from the pre-season to this. Poch has better than the combined wisdom of all punters on here. He has a superb, leave no stone unturned, scouting system. If he feels there's a gap I'm sure he has steps planned to cover it. Few of us on here can be sure exactly what he has coming through talent factory and maybe he sees someone there to supplement the strike force. We have two England strikers, an Italian international and we're struggling to score goals - Not unreasonable to wonder why surely? Regardless - it's still a fantastic season and next will be even better.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: Forgot to add - Said all along we need a tried and tested goal scorer, there were some available at the time. If we need to go hunting one at Xmas you can guarantee he won't come cheap. Reading what I have about the scouting system now in place at Saints there will already be a shortlist drawn up and being checked on a weekly basis - we need not panic, the club is in superb hands with NC and Dr Spoch. 7th on the lead up to Xmas - what a fantastic season.[/p][/quote]Yes, what a pity Poch didn't have your wisdom at the time. Proves that he is as human as the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Sarcasm not really required mate. Merely stating what others have already said many times from the pre-season to this. Poch has better than the combined wisdom of all punters on here. He has a superb, leave no stone unturned, scouting system. If he feels there's a gap I'm sure he has steps planned to cover it. Few of us on here can be sure exactly what he has coming through talent factory and maybe he sees someone there to supplement the strike force. We have two England strikers, an Italian international and we're struggling to score goals - Not unreasonable to wonder why surely? Regardless - it's still a fantastic season and next will be even better. jls217

2:31pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

insane saint wrote:
SFCOLDBOY wrote:
Someone on here observed that Cahill had Osvaldo effectively in his pocket.
To a degree I accept this.
Where I differ is that Osvaldo allowed Cahill to get in front of him every time the ball was played up to him. He obviously is not learning from Rickie how to do this.
Even in the short time Rickie was on the pitch he managed to get away from his marker and link the play.
Osvaldo also does not appear to accept the notion that when you have lost the ball, that you have to work harder and to get it back,contrary to all our other players.
He also needs to look at his fellow players when they get a heavy tackle, they don't lay around, they get up and get on with it and don't just gob off at the ref.
He needs to forget the traits that come from Italy, he is playing in English football the SOUTHAMPTON WAY.
This sounds that I have a downer on him, just the contrary, I want to see him being a great success for our team. he appears to have the ability, I really hope he ups his game.
Wednesday would be a great time to start.
COYS.
dare i say it against 'er in doors other team.......... ozzie ozzie ozzie oi oi oi... COYS
Ha! I reckon OldBoy should be down at Staplewood giving Dani some tips. If he hten nets a hatrick, 'erindoors will be well miffed :-)

WHat colours will be she be wearing to the match, Insane, or is she banned?
[quote][p][bold]insane saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SFCOLDBOY[/bold] wrote: Someone on here observed that Cahill had Osvaldo effectively in his pocket. To a degree I accept this. Where I differ is that Osvaldo allowed Cahill to get in front of him every time the ball was played up to him. He obviously is not learning from Rickie how to do this. Even in the short time Rickie was on the pitch he managed to get away from his marker and link the play. Osvaldo also does not appear to accept the notion that when you have lost the ball, that you have to work harder and to get it back,contrary to all our other players. He also needs to look at his fellow players when they get a heavy tackle, they don't lay around, they get up and get on with it and don't just gob off at the ref. He needs to forget the traits that come from Italy, he is playing in English football the SOUTHAMPTON WAY. This sounds that I have a downer on him, just the contrary, I want to see him being a great success for our team. he appears to have the ability, I really hope he ups his game. Wednesday would be a great time to start. COYS.[/p][/quote]dare i say it against 'er in doors other team.......... ozzie ozzie ozzie oi oi oi... COYS[/p][/quote]Ha! I reckon OldBoy should be down at Staplewood giving Dani some tips. If he hten nets a hatrick, 'erindoors will be well miffed :-) WHat colours will be she be wearing to the match, Insane, or is she banned? Strasbourg Saint

2:38pm Mon 2 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

jls217 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Forgot to add - Said all along we need a tried and tested goal scorer, there were some available at the time. If we need to go hunting one at Xmas you can guarantee he won't come cheap. Reading what I have about the scouting system now in place at Saints there will already be a shortlist drawn up and being checked on a weekly basis - we need not panic, the club is in superb hands with NC and Dr Spoch. 7th on the lead up to Xmas - what a fantastic season.
Yes, what a pity Poch didn't have your wisdom at the time. Proves that he is as human as the rest of us.
Sarcasm not really required mate. Merely stating what others have already said many times from the pre-season to this. Poch has better than the combined wisdom of all punters on here. He has a superb, leave no stone unturned, scouting system. If he feels there's a gap I'm sure he has steps planned to cover it. Few of us on here can be sure exactly what he has coming through talent factory and maybe he sees someone there to supplement the strike force. We have two England strikers, an Italian international and we're struggling to score goals - Not unreasonable to wonder why surely? Regardless - it's still a fantastic season and next will be even better.
"Merely stating what others have already said many times?" So why are you repeating it again? Stop preaching to the converted, it is depressing us more than we need to be. If you are going to praise Poch and co. OK. just don't start the post with negative comments about the situation that we are all patently aware of. Try to keep the belief, wait and see what Poch can come up with, I am sure he is aware of our shortcomings and has already planned the next move. We were doing fine until that International break messed every thing up, it is time this mess was sorted out. We are also, in my opinion, not getting much luck at moment, they say it levels out over the Season so we should be in for some good fortune in the the New Year?
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: Forgot to add - Said all along we need a tried and tested goal scorer, there were some available at the time. If we need to go hunting one at Xmas you can guarantee he won't come cheap. Reading what I have about the scouting system now in place at Saints there will already be a shortlist drawn up and being checked on a weekly basis - we need not panic, the club is in superb hands with NC and Dr Spoch. 7th on the lead up to Xmas - what a fantastic season.[/p][/quote]Yes, what a pity Poch didn't have your wisdom at the time. Proves that he is as human as the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Sarcasm not really required mate. Merely stating what others have already said many times from the pre-season to this. Poch has better than the combined wisdom of all punters on here. He has a superb, leave no stone unturned, scouting system. If he feels there's a gap I'm sure he has steps planned to cover it. Few of us on here can be sure exactly what he has coming through talent factory and maybe he sees someone there to supplement the strike force. We have two England strikers, an Italian international and we're struggling to score goals - Not unreasonable to wonder why surely? Regardless - it's still a fantastic season and next will be even better.[/p][/quote]"Merely stating what others have already said many times?" So why are you repeating it again? Stop preaching to the converted, it is depressing us more than we need to be. If you are going to praise Poch and co. OK. just don't start the post with negative comments about the situation that we are all patently aware of. Try to keep the belief, wait and see what Poch can come up with, I am sure he is aware of our shortcomings and has already planned the next move. We were doing fine until that International break messed every thing up, it is time this mess was sorted out. We are also, in my opinion, not getting much luck at moment, they say it levels out over the Season so we should be in for some good fortune in the the New Year? OSPREYSAINT

2:41pm Mon 2 Dec 13

FindAndDestroy says...

Like I said before, injury was always going to be our biggest threat because of lack of depth in our squad, we don't look quite the same team outside our first IX, when 1 or 2 are missing from MF or from the back, we do look vulnerable.....

the week before last when we missed Lovren, we considered 2.. this past week we lost Morgan and Boruc, we considered another 2.....our options in terms of covers are very much limited..... we do need depth for at least 2 reasons:

1.. just in case of any injuries, which are more likely to happen.
2.. our style of play is very demanding, can easily burn our players out...with depth we can at least rotate some players... coz the season is long.., and just image playing 3 games in 7 days...

Some may not agree with me, but it's a blessing we re not involved in the Europa league at the moment....so our focus is solely on the PL...

Defeat is not always a bad thing, especially for a team in making like ours...as a club and as a squad we learn our strengths and our weaknesses....

There is nothing to be ashamed of losing to top clubs such as Chelsea or Arsenal etc..

These top clubs... have depth, and their options in terms of covers are limitless, so any injury isn't a concern to them.....this is the privilege they enjoy...something we do not have at the moment ... coz it doesnt come any cheap....

but we don't have to spend a fortune to match top clubs in terms of depth, but we certainly need to find a cheaper way to have depth...if we were to challenge for top six ....

And we also need to develop a fighting spirit...when we are losing...
Like I said before, injury was always going to be our biggest threat because of lack of depth in our squad, we don't look quite the same team outside our first IX, when 1 or 2 are missing from MF or from the back, we do look vulnerable..... the week before last when we missed Lovren, we considered 2.. this past week we lost Morgan and Boruc, we considered another 2.....our options in terms of covers are very much limited..... we do need depth for at least 2 reasons: 1.. just in case of any injuries, which are more likely to happen. 2.. our style of play is very demanding, can easily burn our players out...with depth we can at least rotate some players... coz the season is long.., and just image playing 3 games in 7 days... Some may not agree with me, but it's a blessing we re not involved in the Europa league at the moment....so our focus is solely on the PL... Defeat is not always a bad thing, especially for a team in making like ours...as a club and as a squad we learn our strengths and our weaknesses.... There is nothing to be ashamed of losing to top clubs such as Chelsea or Arsenal etc.. These top clubs... have depth, and their options in terms of covers are limitless, so any injury isn't a concern to them.....this is the privilege they enjoy...something we do not have at the moment ... coz it doesnt come any cheap.... but we don't have to spend a fortune to match top clubs in terms of depth, but we certainly need to find a cheaper way to have depth...if we were to challenge for top six .... And we also need to develop a fighting spirit...when we are losing... FindAndDestroy

2:43pm Mon 2 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

CB FRY LIVES wrote:
Nod wrote:
Cody Cropper on the bench for Wednesday then.
Why not start with him.Gazza let us down several times last season and he didn't inspire me with confidence on Sunday.
To be honest I have seen him in action and follow his progress in the match reports and quite frankly he doesn't really inspire me, he might be able to raise his game in the big time, it wouldn't be the first time that we found a solution from within rather than chasing all around the World!
[quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nod[/bold] wrote: Cody Cropper on the bench for Wednesday then.[/p][/quote]Why not start with him.Gazza let us down several times last season and he didn't inspire me with confidence on Sunday.[/p][/quote]To be honest I have seen him in action and follow his progress in the match reports and quite frankly he doesn't really inspire me, he might be able to raise his game in the big time, it wouldn't be the first time that we found a solution from within rather than chasing all around the World! OSPREYSAINT

2:54pm Mon 2 Dec 13

swesaint says...

s@int Matt wrote:
I think Gazza could have done a little better with the Chelsea 2nd goal. Why dive to your left and try throwing your right hand across you to stop the ball when your left hand can reach further. If he had put conviction into using his left hand he may have finger tipped it
Clearly not knowing about goalkeeping. A high ball to his left should always be saved with the right hand as it reaches higher up.
[quote][p][bold]s@int Matt[/bold] wrote: I think Gazza could have done a little better with the Chelsea 2nd goal. Why dive to your left and try throwing your right hand across you to stop the ball when your left hand can reach further. If he had put conviction into using his left hand he may have finger tipped it[/p][/quote]Clearly not knowing about goalkeeping. A high ball to his left should always be saved with the right hand as it reaches higher up. swesaint

3:11pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Saintsayer II says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jls217 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Forgot to add - Said all along we need a tried and tested goal scorer, there were some available at the time. If we need to go hunting one at Xmas you can guarantee he won't come cheap. Reading what I have about the scouting system now in place at Saints there will already be a shortlist drawn up and being checked on a weekly basis - we need not panic, the club is in superb hands with NC and Dr Spoch. 7th on the lead up to Xmas - what a fantastic season.
Yes, what a pity Poch didn't have your wisdom at the time. Proves that he is as human as the rest of us.
Sarcasm not really required mate. Merely stating what others have already said many times from the pre-season to this. Poch has better than the combined wisdom of all punters on here. He has a superb, leave no stone unturned, scouting system. If he feels there's a gap I'm sure he has steps planned to cover it. Few of us on here can be sure exactly what he has coming through talent factory and maybe he sees someone there to supplement the strike force. We have two England strikers, an Italian international and we're struggling to score goals - Not unreasonable to wonder why surely? Regardless - it's still a fantastic season and next will be even better.
"Merely stating what others have already said many times?" So why are you repeating it again? Stop preaching to the converted, it is depressing us more than we need to be. If you are going to praise Poch and co. OK. just don't start the post with negative comments about the situation that we are all patently aware of. Try to keep the belief, wait and see what Poch can come up with, I am sure he is aware of our shortcomings and has already planned the next move. We were doing fine until that International break messed every thing up, it is time this mess was sorted out. We are also, in my opinion, not getting much luck at moment, they say it levels out over the Season so we should be in for some good fortune in the the New Year?
Osprey please remember that others are allowed an opinion even if it doesn't agree wih yours and even if it contains some grammatical or typing errors

Even before the last 2 matches I have expressed concerns about the sustainability of the MoPo system and it will be interesting to see if coaches like lambert have learnt from Arsen and Jose Will he play 2/3 front men and use route 1 as Jose did in the second half and does MoPo have a plan B ?

What did NC say back in January ''I don't wait until a manager loses 3 or 4 games before I think about replacing him'' MoPo was brought in to take us to the' next level' but we will drop short of that if we fail to get points at home and none of the current top 8 have been to SMS yet this season
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: Forgot to add - Said all along we need a tried and tested goal scorer, there were some available at the time. If we need to go hunting one at Xmas you can guarantee he won't come cheap. Reading what I have about the scouting system now in place at Saints there will already be a shortlist drawn up and being checked on a weekly basis - we need not panic, the club is in superb hands with NC and Dr Spoch. 7th on the lead up to Xmas - what a fantastic season.[/p][/quote]Yes, what a pity Poch didn't have your wisdom at the time. Proves that he is as human as the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Sarcasm not really required mate. Merely stating what others have already said many times from the pre-season to this. Poch has better than the combined wisdom of all punters on here. He has a superb, leave no stone unturned, scouting system. If he feels there's a gap I'm sure he has steps planned to cover it. Few of us on here can be sure exactly what he has coming through talent factory and maybe he sees someone there to supplement the strike force. We have two England strikers, an Italian international and we're struggling to score goals - Not unreasonable to wonder why surely? Regardless - it's still a fantastic season and next will be even better.[/p][/quote]"Merely stating what others have already said many times?" So why are you repeating it again? Stop preaching to the converted, it is depressing us more than we need to be. If you are going to praise Poch and co. OK. just don't start the post with negative comments about the situation that we are all patently aware of. Try to keep the belief, wait and see what Poch can come up with, I am sure he is aware of our shortcomings and has already planned the next move. We were doing fine until that International break messed every thing up, it is time this mess was sorted out. We are also, in my opinion, not getting much luck at moment, they say it levels out over the Season so we should be in for some good fortune in the the New Year?[/p][/quote]Osprey please remember that others are allowed an opinion even if it doesn't agree wih yours and even if it contains some grammatical or typing errors Even before the last 2 matches I have expressed concerns about the sustainability of the MoPo system and it will be interesting to see if coaches like lambert have learnt from Arsen and Jose Will he play 2/3 front men and use route 1 as Jose did in the second half and does MoPo have a plan B ? What did NC say back in January ''I don't wait until a manager loses 3 or 4 games before I think about replacing him'' MoPo was brought in to take us to the' next level' but we will drop short of that if we fail to get points at home and none of the current top 8 have been to SMS yet this season Saintsayer II

3:24pm Mon 2 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jls217 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Forgot to add - Said all along we need a tried and tested goal scorer, there were some available at the time. If we need to go hunting one at Xmas you can guarantee he won't come cheap. Reading what I have about the scouting system now in place at Saints there will already be a shortlist drawn up and being checked on a weekly basis - we need not panic, the club is in superb hands with NC and Dr Spoch. 7th on the lead up to Xmas - what a fantastic season.
Yes, what a pity Poch didn't have your wisdom at the time. Proves that he is as human as the rest of us.
Sarcasm not really required mate. Merely stating what others have already said many times from the pre-season to this. Poch has better than the combined wisdom of all punters on here. He has a superb, leave no stone unturned, scouting system. If he feels there's a gap I'm sure he has steps planned to cover it. Few of us on here can be sure exactly what he has coming through talent factory and maybe he sees someone there to supplement the strike force. We have two England strikers, an Italian international and we're struggling to score goals - Not unreasonable to wonder why surely? Regardless - it's still a fantastic season and next will be even better.
"Merely stating what others have already said many times?" So why are you repeating it again? Stop preaching to the converted, it is depressing us more than we need to be. If you are going to praise Poch and co. OK. just don't start the post with negative comments about the situation that we are all patently aware of. Try to keep the belief, wait and see what Poch can come up with, I am sure he is aware of our shortcomings and has already planned the next move. We were doing fine until that International break messed every thing up, it is time this mess was sorted out. We are also, in my opinion, not getting much luck at moment, they say it levels out over the Season so we should be in for some good fortune in the the New Year?
Osprey please remember that others are allowed an opinion even if it doesn't agree wih yours and even if it contains some grammatical or typing errors

Even before the last 2 matches I have expressed concerns about the sustainability of the MoPo system and it will be interesting to see if coaches like lambert have learnt from Arsen and Jose Will he play 2/3 front men and use route 1 as Jose did in the second half and does MoPo have a plan B ?

What did NC say back in January ''I don't wait until a manager loses 3 or 4 games before I think about replacing him'' MoPo was brought in to take us to the' next level' but we will drop short of that if we fail to get points at home and none of the current top 8 have been to SMS yet this season
Sorry, just getting hacked off with the repetitive negativity on here, if we can't keep the faith and only moan when it isn't going right, that in my opinion is bad sportmanship and simply doesn't deserve success.
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: Forgot to add - Said all along we need a tried and tested goal scorer, there were some available at the time. If we need to go hunting one at Xmas you can guarantee he won't come cheap. Reading what I have about the scouting system now in place at Saints there will already be a shortlist drawn up and being checked on a weekly basis - we need not panic, the club is in superb hands with NC and Dr Spoch. 7th on the lead up to Xmas - what a fantastic season.[/p][/quote]Yes, what a pity Poch didn't have your wisdom at the time. Proves that he is as human as the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Sarcasm not really required mate. Merely stating what others have already said many times from the pre-season to this. Poch has better than the combined wisdom of all punters on here. He has a superb, leave no stone unturned, scouting system. If he feels there's a gap I'm sure he has steps planned to cover it. Few of us on here can be sure exactly what he has coming through talent factory and maybe he sees someone there to supplement the strike force. We have two England strikers, an Italian international and we're struggling to score goals - Not unreasonable to wonder why surely? Regardless - it's still a fantastic season and next will be even better.[/p][/quote]"Merely stating what others have already said many times?" So why are you repeating it again? Stop preaching to the converted, it is depressing us more than we need to be. If you are going to praise Poch and co. OK. just don't start the post with negative comments about the situation that we are all patently aware of. Try to keep the belief, wait and see what Poch can come up with, I am sure he is aware of our shortcomings and has already planned the next move. We were doing fine until that International break messed every thing up, it is time this mess was sorted out. We are also, in my opinion, not getting much luck at moment, they say it levels out over the Season so we should be in for some good fortune in the the New Year?[/p][/quote]Osprey please remember that others are allowed an opinion even if it doesn't agree wih yours and even if it contains some grammatical or typing errors Even before the last 2 matches I have expressed concerns about the sustainability of the MoPo system and it will be interesting to see if coaches like lambert have learnt from Arsen and Jose Will he play 2/3 front men and use route 1 as Jose did in the second half and does MoPo have a plan B ? What did NC say back in January ''I don't wait until a manager loses 3 or 4 games before I think about replacing him'' MoPo was brought in to take us to the' next level' but we will drop short of that if we fail to get points at home and none of the current top 8 have been to SMS yet this season[/p][/quote]Sorry, just getting hacked off with the repetitive negativity on here, if we can't keep the faith and only moan when it isn't going right, that in my opinion is bad sportmanship and simply doesn't deserve success. OSPREYSAINT

3:32pm Mon 2 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

'I don't wait until a manager loses 3 or 4 games before I think about replacing him'' Think being the operative word, doing it is something else.
'I don't wait until a manager loses 3 or 4 games before I think about replacing him'' Think being the operative word, doing it is something else. OSPREYSAINT

3:38pm Mon 2 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

See http://www.bbc.co.uk
/sport/0/football/25
179761

I think that is as good an apraisal of the game as you can get, what do you think?
See http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/25 179761 I think that is as good an apraisal of the game as you can get, what do you think? OSPREYSAINT

3:48pm Mon 2 Dec 13

redsnapper says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jls217 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Forgot to add - Said all along we need a tried and tested goal scorer, there were some available at the time. If we need to go hunting one at Xmas you can guarantee he won't come cheap. Reading what I have about the scouting system now in place at Saints there will already be a shortlist drawn up and being checked on a weekly basis - we need not panic, the club is in superb hands with NC and Dr Spoch. 7th on the lead up to Xmas - what a fantastic season.
Yes, what a pity Poch didn't have your wisdom at the time. Proves that he is as human as the rest of us.
Sarcasm not really required mate. Merely stating what others have already said many times from the pre-season to this. Poch has better than the combined wisdom of all punters on here. He has a superb, leave no stone unturned, scouting system. If he feels there's a gap I'm sure he has steps planned to cover it. Few of us on here can be sure exactly what he has coming through talent factory and maybe he sees someone there to supplement the strike force. We have two England strikers, an Italian international and we're struggling to score goals - Not unreasonable to wonder why surely? Regardless - it's still a fantastic season and next will be even better.
"Merely stating what others have already said many times?" So why are you repeating it again? Stop preaching to the converted, it is depressing us more than we need to be. If you are going to praise Poch and co. OK. just don't start the post with negative comments about the situation that we are all patently aware of. Try to keep the belief, wait and see what Poch can come up with, I am sure he is aware of our shortcomings and has already planned the next move. We were doing fine until that International break messed every thing up, it is time this mess was sorted out. We are also, in my opinion, not getting much luck at moment, they say it levels out over the Season so we should be in for some good fortune in the the New Year?
Osprey please remember that others are allowed an opinion even if it doesn't agree wih yours and even if it contains some grammatical or typing errors

Even before the last 2 matches I have expressed concerns about the sustainability of the MoPo system and it will be interesting to see if coaches like lambert have learnt from Arsen and Jose Will he play 2/3 front men and use route 1 as Jose did in the second half and does MoPo have a plan B ?

What did NC say back in January ''I don't wait until a manager loses 3 or 4 games before I think about replacing him'' MoPo was brought in to take us to the' next level' but we will drop short of that if we fail to get points at home and none of the current top 8 have been to SMS yet this season
I think MoD analysis was more about sucking up to Jose than anything else.
OK his move to 2 strikers coincided with their revival but at the same time we lost JWP and Schnides and Boruc.....pretty much a death blow to our team.

As for other teams being capable of fielding 2 fit star strikers --probably only Citeh!!!! but rest assured Poch will have it sorted!!

I will just pray that VW doesn't get a yellow on Wednesday and St Mary's makes a lot of noise ..they need us!!
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: Forgot to add - Said all along we need a tried and tested goal scorer, there were some available at the time. If we need to go hunting one at Xmas you can guarantee he won't come cheap. Reading what I have about the scouting system now in place at Saints there will already be a shortlist drawn up and being checked on a weekly basis - we need not panic, the club is in superb hands with NC and Dr Spoch. 7th on the lead up to Xmas - what a fantastic season.[/p][/quote]Yes, what a pity Poch didn't have your wisdom at the time. Proves that he is as human as the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Sarcasm not really required mate. Merely stating what others have already said many times from the pre-season to this. Poch has better than the combined wisdom of all punters on here. He has a superb, leave no stone unturned, scouting system. If he feels there's a gap I'm sure he has steps planned to cover it. Few of us on here can be sure exactly what he has coming through talent factory and maybe he sees someone there to supplement the strike force. We have two England strikers, an Italian international and we're struggling to score goals - Not unreasonable to wonder why surely? Regardless - it's still a fantastic season and next will be even better.[/p][/quote]"Merely stating what others have already said many times?" So why are you repeating it again? Stop preaching to the converted, it is depressing us more than we need to be. If you are going to praise Poch and co. OK. just don't start the post with negative comments about the situation that we are all patently aware of. Try to keep the belief, wait and see what Poch can come up with, I am sure he is aware of our shortcomings and has already planned the next move. We were doing fine until that International break messed every thing up, it is time this mess was sorted out. We are also, in my opinion, not getting much luck at moment, they say it levels out over the Season so we should be in for some good fortune in the the New Year?[/p][/quote]Osprey please remember that others are allowed an opinion even if it doesn't agree wih yours and even if it contains some grammatical or typing errors Even before the last 2 matches I have expressed concerns about the sustainability of the MoPo system and it will be interesting to see if coaches like lambert have learnt from Arsen and Jose Will he play 2/3 front men and use route 1 as Jose did in the second half and does MoPo have a plan B ? What did NC say back in January ''I don't wait until a manager loses 3 or 4 games before I think about replacing him'' MoPo was brought in to take us to the' next level' but we will drop short of that if we fail to get points at home and none of the current top 8 have been to SMS yet this season[/p][/quote]I think MoD analysis was more about sucking up to Jose than anything else. OK his move to 2 strikers coincided with their revival but at the same time we lost JWP and Schnides and Boruc.....pretty much a death blow to our team. As for other teams being capable of fielding 2 fit star strikers --probably only Citeh!!!! but rest assured Poch will have it sorted!! I will just pray that VW doesn't get a yellow on Wednesday and St Mary's makes a lot of noise ..they need us!! redsnapper

4:38pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Poole Tom says...

These last two games were always going to be very difficult and therefore it is no great surprise that we lost them both. However the majority of the media seem to believe that we played well in both and so do I. On an even more positive note we`ve now played four of the six hardest games of the season, i.e Arsenal, Chelsea, Man Utd and Liverpool away, and we are still in seventh place and only five points off second place! If we can get a win against Villa on Wednesday night we should move back up the table with Everton unlikely to win at Man Utd and Newcastle involved in a tricky away game at WBA.
These last two games were always going to be very difficult and therefore it is no great surprise that we lost them both. However the majority of the media seem to believe that we played well in both and so do I. On an even more positive note we`ve now played four of the six hardest games of the season, i.e Arsenal, Chelsea, Man Utd and Liverpool away, and we are still in seventh place and only five points off second place! If we can get a win against Villa on Wednesday night we should move back up the table with Everton unlikely to win at Man Utd and Newcastle involved in a tricky away game at WBA. Poole Tom

4:42pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Costa Baz says...

right back in the bar wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
It's a blow, for sure - unless you're one of those who, after the Arsenal match, wanted Boruc dropped, of course. However, it's the reality all clubs face and we've been lucky with injuries up to now. So, to use a crusty old training manuel phrase, we have to turn the threat (of losing Artur and Morgan) into an opportunity. This is an opportunity to see if those in the wings (Cork and Gazza) can step up.
Definitely - Spider is priceless but crazy to talk of lack of depth when we have a player of JC's calibre to come in for him. The Villa game will be just what needs to get in the grove. Still can't work out yesterdays game - Mourinho did something at half time for sure because we controlled the 1st half (although wasted some promising situations from wide on the Chelsea left). and the back four were superb. Usual bias big club referee - letting Ramirez get away with some many fouls - did any Chelsea player get a booking? Osvaldo could do with getting a goal or two on Wednesday.
It's not what Mourhino did at half time, that changed the game. It was the injury to Oscar and the subsequent introduction of Lampard to the Chelsea midfield, that turned the game in Chelsea's favour.
Shows that even good managers need an element of luck, as without Lampard, we were coping fairly well with their relatively lightweight midfield.

January will show the club's true ambition. The lack of ingenuity in and around the opponents penalty area, has been evident all season. Not a negative comment but a statement of fact.
With Ramirez seemingly out of favour, and Osvaldo not setting the team/league alight maybe they can be returned to a less physical league and suitable replacements brought in.
There were times, at Chelsea, where we broke out, with numbers in support, but weren't even able to turn the breakaways into attempts on goal. Compare that to the 2nd and 3rd goals scored by Arsenal, at Cardiff, and the gulf in class is there to be seen.
As many say, the league can be split into 3 mini leagues, and what we have now is a team capable of winning the 2nd of those mini leagues, giving us a finishing position of 7th or 8 th.
Improve the strike rate , whilst maintaining the tight defence, and we will be ready to push on.
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: It's a blow, for sure - unless you're one of those who, after the Arsenal match, wanted Boruc dropped, of course. However, it's the reality all clubs face and we've been lucky with injuries up to now. So, to use a crusty old training manuel phrase, we have to turn the threat (of losing Artur and Morgan) into an opportunity. This is an opportunity to see if those in the wings (Cork and Gazza) can step up.[/p][/quote]Definitely - Spider is priceless but crazy to talk of lack of depth when we have a player of JC's calibre to come in for him. The Villa game will be just what needs to get in the grove. Still can't work out yesterdays game - Mourinho did something at half time for sure because we controlled the 1st half (although wasted some promising situations from wide on the Chelsea left). and the back four were superb. Usual bias big club referee - letting Ramirez get away with some many fouls - did any Chelsea player get a booking? Osvaldo could do with getting a goal or two on Wednesday.[/p][/quote]It's not what Mourhino did at half time, that changed the game. It was the injury to Oscar and the subsequent introduction of Lampard to the Chelsea midfield, that turned the game in Chelsea's favour. Shows that even good managers need an element of luck, as without Lampard, we were coping fairly well with their relatively lightweight midfield. January will show the club's true ambition. The lack of ingenuity in and around the opponents penalty area, has been evident all season. Not a negative comment but a statement of fact. With Ramirez seemingly out of favour, and Osvaldo not setting the team/league alight maybe they can be returned to a less physical league and suitable replacements brought in. There were times, at Chelsea, where we broke out, with numbers in support, but weren't even able to turn the breakaways into attempts on goal. Compare that to the 2nd and 3rd goals scored by Arsenal, at Cardiff, and the gulf in class is there to be seen. As many say, the league can be split into 3 mini leagues, and what we have now is a team capable of winning the 2nd of those mini leagues, giving us a finishing position of 7th or 8 th. Improve the strike rate , whilst maintaining the tight defence, and we will be ready to push on. Costa Baz

5:33pm Mon 2 Dec 13

el caballo santos101 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jls217 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Forgot to add - Said all along we need a tried and tested goal scorer, there were some available at the time. If we need to go hunting one at Xmas you can guarantee he won't come cheap. Reading what I have about the scouting system now in place at Saints there will already be a shortlist drawn up and being checked on a weekly basis - we need not panic, the club is in superb hands with NC and Dr Spoch. 7th on the lead up to Xmas - what a fantastic season.
Yes, what a pity Poch didn't have your wisdom at the time. Proves that he is as human as the rest of us.
Sarcasm not really required mate. Merely stating what others have already said many times from the pre-season to this. Poch has better than the combined wisdom of all punters on here. He has a superb, leave no stone unturned, scouting system. If he feels there's a gap I'm sure he has steps planned to cover it. Few of us on here can be sure exactly what he has coming through talent factory and maybe he sees someone there to supplement the strike force. We have two England strikers, an Italian international and we're struggling to score goals - Not unreasonable to wonder why surely? Regardless - it's still a fantastic season and next will be even better.
"Merely stating what others have already said many times?" So why are you repeating it again? Stop preaching to the converted, it is depressing us more than we need to be. If you are going to praise Poch and co. OK. just don't start the post with negative comments about the situation that we are all patently aware of. Try to keep the belief, wait and see what Poch can come up with, I am sure he is aware of our shortcomings and has already planned the next move. We were doing fine until that International break messed every thing up, it is time this mess was sorted out. We are also, in my opinion, not getting much luck at moment, they say it levels out over the Season so we should be in for some good fortune in the the New Year?
Osprey please remember that others are allowed an opinion even if it doesn't agree wih yours and even if it contains some grammatical or typing errors

Even before the last 2 matches I have expressed concerns about the sustainability of the MoPo system and it will be interesting to see if coaches like lambert have learnt from Arsen and Jose Will he play 2/3 front men and use route 1 as Jose did in the second half and does MoPo have a plan B ?

What did NC say back in January ''I don't wait until a manager loses 3 or 4 games before I think about replacing him'' MoPo was brought in to take us to the' next level' but we will drop short of that if we fail to get points at home and none of the current top 8 have been to SMS yet this season
Sorry, just getting hacked off with the repetitive negativity on here, if we can't keep the faith and only moan when it isn't going right, that in my opinion is bad sportmanship and simply doesn't deserve success.
your so right osprey. if you look at the comments pages after we beat hull there were only a few comments. look at the pages after yesterdays and the arsenal defeat and there are lots of comments, a lot of them saying that we have no depth or MP has no plan B or the always great `I said before`(I told you so). like the one here by jls217 "Said all along we need a tried and tested goal scorer, there were some available at the time". that's not really a fair comment when we paid £13-15 mill on Osvaldo, a proven goal scorer who has been `tried` by MP before. ok Osvaldo hasn't scored many so far, or played as well as some expected, but you cant write him off after the few games he has played. don't forget he didn't have the preseason with the team either. there may have been other forwards available at the time but full Italian international starters. will everyone please forget about defoe, he is at the end of his career and was never that good anyway, if he was a team other than poopey would have brought him.
NC actually said 'It seems cold, but I do everything in order to progress. I don't want to lose five matches in a row before I sack the manager - I do it before that happens.'
other managers wouldn't have learnt anything from the last 2 games as we lost to 2 different styles and were unlucky v arsenil. its easy saying route one football will beat our system but having the players to do that is a different thing, arsenil and chelski have both spent millions getting world class players and both teams struggled against us.
as osprey said its easy being a fan when we win but yu have to stick by the team when they lose as well.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: Forgot to add - Said all along we need a tried and tested goal scorer, there were some available at the time. If we need to go hunting one at Xmas you can guarantee he won't come cheap. Reading what I have about the scouting system now in place at Saints there will already be a shortlist drawn up and being checked on a weekly basis - we need not panic, the club is in superb hands with NC and Dr Spoch. 7th on the lead up to Xmas - what a fantastic season.[/p][/quote]Yes, what a pity Poch didn't have your wisdom at the time. Proves that he is as human as the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Sarcasm not really required mate. Merely stating what others have already said many times from the pre-season to this. Poch has better than the combined wisdom of all punters on here. He has a superb, leave no stone unturned, scouting system. If he feels there's a gap I'm sure he has steps planned to cover it. Few of us on here can be sure exactly what he has coming through talent factory and maybe he sees someone there to supplement the strike force. We have two England strikers, an Italian international and we're struggling to score goals - Not unreasonable to wonder why surely? Regardless - it's still a fantastic season and next will be even better.[/p][/quote]"Merely stating what others have already said many times?" So why are you repeating it again? Stop preaching to the converted, it is depressing us more than we need to be. If you are going to praise Poch and co. OK. just don't start the post with negative comments about the situation that we are all patently aware of. Try to keep the belief, wait and see what Poch can come up with, I am sure he is aware of our shortcomings and has already planned the next move. We were doing fine until that International break messed every thing up, it is time this mess was sorted out. We are also, in my opinion, not getting much luck at moment, they say it levels out over the Season so we should be in for some good fortune in the the New Year?[/p][/quote]Osprey please remember that others are allowed an opinion even if it doesn't agree wih yours and even if it contains some grammatical or typing errors Even before the last 2 matches I have expressed concerns about the sustainability of the MoPo system and it will be interesting to see if coaches like lambert have learnt from Arsen and Jose Will he play 2/3 front men and use route 1 as Jose did in the second half and does MoPo have a plan B ? What did NC say back in January ''I don't wait until a manager loses 3 or 4 games before I think about replacing him'' MoPo was brought in to take us to the' next level' but we will drop short of that if we fail to get points at home and none of the current top 8 have been to SMS yet this season[/p][/quote]Sorry, just getting hacked off with the repetitive negativity on here, if we can't keep the faith and only moan when it isn't going right, that in my opinion is bad sportmanship and simply doesn't deserve success.[/p][/quote]your so right osprey. if you look at the comments pages after we beat hull there were only a few comments. look at the pages after yesterdays and the arsenal defeat and there are lots of comments, a lot of them saying that we have no depth or MP has no plan B or the always great `I said before`(I told you so). like the one here by jls217 "Said all along we need a tried and tested goal scorer, there were some available at the time". that's not really a fair comment when we paid £13-15 mill on Osvaldo, a proven goal scorer who has been `tried` by MP before. ok Osvaldo hasn't scored many so far, or played as well as some expected, but you cant write him off after the few games he has played. don't forget he didn't have the preseason with the team either. there may have been other forwards available at the time but full Italian international starters. will everyone please forget about defoe, he is at the end of his career and was never that good anyway, if he was a team other than poopey would have brought him. NC actually said 'It seems cold, but I do everything in order to progress. I don't want to lose five matches in a row before I sack the manager - I do it before that happens.' other managers wouldn't have learnt anything from the last 2 games as we lost to 2 different styles and were unlucky v arsenil. its easy saying route one football will beat our system but having the players to do that is a different thing, arsenil and chelski have both spent millions getting world class players and both teams struggled against us. as osprey said its easy being a fan when we win but yu have to stick by the team when they lose as well. el caballo santos101

5:39pm Mon 2 Dec 13

boilerman says...

Very disappointed with the ref yesterday, he was very quick to pull our players up and even quicker to book them.
Very disappointed with the ref yesterday, he was very quick to pull our players up and even quicker to book them. boilerman

6:03pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Confucious says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jls217 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Forgot to add - Said all along we need a tried and tested goal scorer, there were some available at the time. If we need to go hunting one at Xmas you can guarantee he won't come cheap. Reading what I have about the scouting system now in place at Saints there will already be a shortlist drawn up and being checked on a weekly basis - we need not panic, the club is in superb hands with NC and Dr Spoch. 7th on the lead up to Xmas - what a fantastic season.
Yes, what a pity Poch didn't have your wisdom at the time. Proves that he is as human as the rest of us.
Sarcasm not really required mate. Merely stating what others have already said many times from the pre-season to this. Poch has better than the combined wisdom of all punters on here. He has a superb, leave no stone unturned, scouting system. If he feels there's a gap I'm sure he has steps planned to cover it. Few of us on here can be sure exactly what he has coming through talent factory and maybe he sees someone there to supplement the strike force. We have two England strikers, an Italian international and we're struggling to score goals - Not unreasonable to wonder why surely? Regardless - it's still a fantastic season and next will be even better.
"Merely stating what others have already said many times?" So why are you repeating it again? Stop preaching to the converted, it is depressing us more than we need to be. If you are going to praise Poch and co. OK. just don't start the post with negative comments about the situation that we are all patently aware of. Try to keep the belief, wait and see what Poch can come up with, I am sure he is aware of our shortcomings and has already planned the next move. We were doing fine until that International break messed every thing up, it is time this mess was sorted out. We are also, in my opinion, not getting much luck at moment, they say it levels out over the Season so we should be in for some good fortune in the the New Year?
Osprey please remember that others are allowed an opinion even if it doesn't agree wih yours and even if it contains some grammatical or typing errors

Even before the last 2 matches I have expressed concerns about the sustainability of the MoPo system and it will be interesting to see if coaches like lambert have learnt from Arsen and Jose Will he play 2/3 front men and use route 1 as Jose did in the second half and does MoPo have a plan B ?

What did NC say back in January ''I don't wait until a manager loses 3 or 4 games before I think about replacing him'' MoPo was brought in to take us to the' next level' but we will drop short of that if we fail to get points at home and none of the current top 8 have been to SMS yet this season
Sorry, just getting hacked off with the repetitive negativity on here, if we can't keep the faith and only moan when it isn't going right, that in my opinion is bad sportmanship and simply doesn't deserve success.
Perhaps I can bring a little sanity to this heated discussion.

We need a more balanced approach on here. People are being overly negative about positive views and far too positive about negative ones.

You should not however take this to mean that it's ok to be positively negative or positively positive because that's much the same as being overly negative and overly positive. We need to find the exact half way point on the line from negative to positive.

No doubt there will be some who will be negative about having an exact balance between negativity and positivity - preferring a positive bias towards positivity. But others will be negative about not being negatively biased ie positive about being negatively biased.

Come on, shape up guys.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: Forgot to add - Said all along we need a tried and tested goal scorer, there were some available at the time. If we need to go hunting one at Xmas you can guarantee he won't come cheap. Reading what I have about the scouting system now in place at Saints there will already be a shortlist drawn up and being checked on a weekly basis - we need not panic, the club is in superb hands with NC and Dr Spoch. 7th on the lead up to Xmas - what a fantastic season.[/p][/quote]Yes, what a pity Poch didn't have your wisdom at the time. Proves that he is as human as the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Sarcasm not really required mate. Merely stating what others have already said many times from the pre-season to this. Poch has better than the combined wisdom of all punters on here. He has a superb, leave no stone unturned, scouting system. If he feels there's a gap I'm sure he has steps planned to cover it. Few of us on here can be sure exactly what he has coming through talent factory and maybe he sees someone there to supplement the strike force. We have two England strikers, an Italian international and we're struggling to score goals - Not unreasonable to wonder why surely? Regardless - it's still a fantastic season and next will be even better.[/p][/quote]"Merely stating what others have already said many times?" So why are you repeating it again? Stop preaching to the converted, it is depressing us more than we need to be. If you are going to praise Poch and co. OK. just don't start the post with negative comments about the situation that we are all patently aware of. Try to keep the belief, wait and see what Poch can come up with, I am sure he is aware of our shortcomings and has already planned the next move. We were doing fine until that International break messed every thing up, it is time this mess was sorted out. We are also, in my opinion, not getting much luck at moment, they say it levels out over the Season so we should be in for some good fortune in the the New Year?[/p][/quote]Osprey please remember that others are allowed an opinion even if it doesn't agree wih yours and even if it contains some grammatical or typing errors Even before the last 2 matches I have expressed concerns about the sustainability of the MoPo system and it will be interesting to see if coaches like lambert have learnt from Arsen and Jose Will he play 2/3 front men and use route 1 as Jose did in the second half and does MoPo have a plan B ? What did NC say back in January ''I don't wait until a manager loses 3 or 4 games before I think about replacing him'' MoPo was brought in to take us to the' next level' but we will drop short of that if we fail to get points at home and none of the current top 8 have been to SMS yet this season[/p][/quote]Sorry, just getting hacked off with the repetitive negativity on here, if we can't keep the faith and only moan when it isn't going right, that in my opinion is bad sportmanship and simply doesn't deserve success.[/p][/quote]Perhaps I can bring a little sanity to this heated discussion. We need a more balanced approach on here. People are being overly negative about positive views and far too positive about negative ones. You should not however take this to mean that it's ok to be positively negative or positively positive because that's much the same as being overly negative and overly positive. We need to find the exact half way point on the line from negative to positive. No doubt there will be some who will be negative about having an exact balance between negativity and positivity - preferring a positive bias towards positivity. But others will be negative about not being negatively biased ie positive about being negatively biased. Come on, shape up guys. Confucious

6:46pm Mon 2 Dec 13

sledgerite says...

i do wish all the whining would stop,our club is on a steep upward curve we have top people running the club both financially and on the field lets now move on from the last2 games we cannot change those results only learn from them lets get behind the team 100% on wednesday coyr
i do wish all the whining would stop,our club is on a steep upward curve we have top people running the club both financially and on the field lets now move on from the last2 games we cannot change those results only learn from them lets get behind the team 100% on wednesday coyr sledgerite

7:26pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Baddesley Bill says...

No points in two games is disappointing given the way we have taken this league by storm this year. But nothing more than a reality check that we might actually find it difficult to live with the Premier League power houses as the season pans out.

A win on Wednesday and we are back on course for an amazing achievement this year. COYR
No points in two games is disappointing given the way we have taken this league by storm this year. But nothing more than a reality check that we might actually find it difficult to live with the Premier League power houses as the season pans out. A win on Wednesday and we are back on course for an amazing achievement this year. COYR Baddesley Bill

8:03pm Mon 2 Dec 13

jls217 says...

Confucious wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jls217 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Forgot to add - Said all along we need a tried and tested goal scorer, there were some available at the time. If we need to go hunting one at Xmas you can guarantee he won't come cheap. Reading what I have about the scouting system now in place at Saints there will already be a shortlist drawn up and being checked on a weekly basis - we need not panic, the club is in superb hands with NC and Dr Spoch. 7th on the lead up to Xmas - what a fantastic season.
Yes, what a pity Poch didn't have your wisdom at the time. Proves that he is as human as the rest of us.
Sarcasm not really required mate. Merely stating what others have already said many times from the pre-season to this. Poch has better than the combined wisdom of all punters on here. He has a superb, leave no stone unturned, scouting system. If he feels there's a gap I'm sure he has steps planned to cover it. Few of us on here can be sure exactly what he has coming through talent factory and maybe he sees someone there to supplement the strike force. We have two England strikers, an Italian international and we're struggling to score goals - Not unreasonable to wonder why surely? Regardless - it's still a fantastic season and next will be even better.
"Merely stating what others have already said many times?" So why are you repeating it again? Stop preaching to the converted, it is depressing us more than we need to be. If you are going to praise Poch and co. OK. just don't start the post with negative comments about the situation that we are all patently aware of. Try to keep the belief, wait and see what Poch can come up with, I am sure he is aware of our shortcomings and has already planned the next move. We were doing fine until that International break messed every thing up, it is time this mess was sorted out. We are also, in my opinion, not getting much luck at moment, they say it levels out over the Season so we should be in for some good fortune in the the New Year?
Osprey please remember that others are allowed an opinion even if it doesn't agree wih yours and even if it contains some grammatical or typing errors

Even before the last 2 matches I have expressed concerns about the sustainability of the MoPo system and it will be interesting to see if coaches like lambert have learnt from Arsen and Jose Will he play 2/3 front men and use route 1 as Jose did in the second half and does MoPo have a plan B ?

What did NC say back in January ''I don't wait until a manager loses 3 or 4 games before I think about replacing him'' MoPo was brought in to take us to the' next level' but we will drop short of that if we fail to get points at home and none of the current top 8 have been to SMS yet this season
Sorry, just getting hacked off with the repetitive negativity on here, if we can't keep the faith and only moan when it isn't going right, that in my opinion is bad sportmanship and simply doesn't deserve success.
Perhaps I can bring a little sanity to this heated discussion.

We need a more balanced approach on here. People are being overly negative about positive views and far too positive about negative ones.

You should not however take this to mean that it's ok to be positively negative or positively positive because that's much the same as being overly negative and overly positive. We need to find the exact half way point on the line from negative to positive.

No doubt there will be some who will be negative about having an exact balance between negativity and positivity - preferring a positive bias towards positivity. But others will be negative about not being negatively biased ie positive about being negatively biased.

Come on, shape up guys.
This is a discussion forum. It's about opinions. If there is something negative to be discussed ie the second half then we should all feel free to discuss it. I found very little to be happy clappy about how Chelsea wrestled control from what up to then was very happy clappy indeed. Now it does not get much more balanced than that does it? Am I still positive and upbeat about our season - read all my posts if it concerns you that much - you'll find I'm a very happy financial unit for the Saints coffers. That doesn't mean I can't see the cracks when they appear. A fellow Saints fan who I work with slowed down my enthusiasm with a statement, "It'll be great until some team works out how to negate it". Meaning the pressure we put clubs under. My reply was don't see how they can, they are so fit and buzzing they just close down all over the park and then go forward as a unit. Well that was two games ago and I'm eating my words. It may be the way to beat it is exactly what Chelsea did - beat us up, use wide runners, balls over the top and direct play. You can be sure that 45 mins will not be lost on managers and coaches of other prem league clubs.
I for one will not be censored because someone, somewhere doesn't like to hear what someone else has to say which doesn't gel with their thinking. If you don't like what's being said don't read it and don't feel so driven to respond to it. Seeeeeemples! May peace and harmony be with you all always.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: Forgot to add - Said all along we need a tried and tested goal scorer, there were some available at the time. If we need to go hunting one at Xmas you can guarantee he won't come cheap. Reading what I have about the scouting system now in place at Saints there will already be a shortlist drawn up and being checked on a weekly basis - we need not panic, the club is in superb hands with NC and Dr Spoch. 7th on the lead up to Xmas - what a fantastic season.[/p][/quote]Yes, what a pity Poch didn't have your wisdom at the time. Proves that he is as human as the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Sarcasm not really required mate. Merely stating what others have already said many times from the pre-season to this. Poch has better than the combined wisdom of all punters on here. He has a superb, leave no stone unturned, scouting system. If he feels there's a gap I'm sure he has steps planned to cover it. Few of us on here can be sure exactly what he has coming through talent factory and maybe he sees someone there to supplement the strike force. We have two England strikers, an Italian international and we're struggling to score goals - Not unreasonable to wonder why surely? Regardless - it's still a fantastic season and next will be even better.[/p][/quote]"Merely stating what others have already said many times?" So why are you repeating it again? Stop preaching to the converted, it is depressing us more than we need to be. If you are going to praise Poch and co. OK. just don't start the post with negative comments about the situation that we are all patently aware of. Try to keep the belief, wait and see what Poch can come up with, I am sure he is aware of our shortcomings and has already planned the next move. We were doing fine until that International break messed every thing up, it is time this mess was sorted out. We are also, in my opinion, not getting much luck at moment, they say it levels out over the Season so we should be in for some good fortune in the the New Year?[/p][/quote]Osprey please remember that others are allowed an opinion even if it doesn't agree wih yours and even if it contains some grammatical or typing errors Even before the last 2 matches I have expressed concerns about the sustainability of the MoPo system and it will be interesting to see if coaches like lambert have learnt from Arsen and Jose Will he play 2/3 front men and use route 1 as Jose did in the second half and does MoPo have a plan B ? What did NC say back in January ''I don't wait until a manager loses 3 or 4 games before I think about replacing him'' MoPo was brought in to take us to the' next level' but we will drop short of that if we fail to get points at home and none of the current top 8 have been to SMS yet this season[/p][/quote]Sorry, just getting hacked off with the repetitive negativity on here, if we can't keep the faith and only moan when it isn't going right, that in my opinion is bad sportmanship and simply doesn't deserve success.[/p][/quote]Perhaps I can bring a little sanity to this heated discussion. We need a more balanced approach on here. People are being overly negative about positive views and far too positive about negative ones. You should not however take this to mean that it's ok to be positively negative or positively positive because that's much the same as being overly negative and overly positive. We need to find the exact half way point on the line from negative to positive. No doubt there will be some who will be negative about having an exact balance between negativity and positivity - preferring a positive bias towards positivity. But others will be negative about not being negatively biased ie positive about being negatively biased. Come on, shape up guys.[/p][/quote]This is a discussion forum. It's about opinions. If there is something negative to be discussed ie the second half then we should all feel free to discuss it. I found very little to be happy clappy about how Chelsea wrestled control from what up to then was very happy clappy indeed. Now it does not get much more balanced than that does it? Am I still positive and upbeat about our season - read all my posts if it concerns you that much - you'll find I'm a very happy financial unit for the Saints coffers. That doesn't mean I can't see the cracks when they appear. A fellow Saints fan who I work with slowed down my enthusiasm with a statement, "It'll be great until some team works out how to negate it". Meaning the pressure we put clubs under. My reply was don't see how they can, they are so fit and buzzing they just close down all over the park and then go forward as a unit. Well that was two games ago and I'm eating my words. It may be the way to beat it is exactly what Chelsea did - beat us up, use wide runners, balls over the top and direct play. You can be sure that 45 mins will not be lost on managers and coaches of other prem league clubs. I for one will not be censored because someone, somewhere doesn't like to hear what someone else has to say which doesn't gel with their thinking. If you don't like what's being said don't read it and don't feel so driven to respond to it. Seeeeeemples! May peace and harmony be with you all always. jls217

8:04pm Mon 2 Dec 13

up saints says...

sledgerite wrote:
i do wish all the whining would stop,our club is on a steep upward curve we have top people running the club both financially and on the field lets now move on from the last2 games we cannot change those results only learn from them lets get behind the team 100% on wednesday coyr
i agree i did not expect much from arsenal and chelsea but should of got maybe a point at arsenal.puts more pressure on the villa game think with brouc out i take 4 points from the next 6.
[quote][p][bold]sledgerite[/bold] wrote: i do wish all the whining would stop,our club is on a steep upward curve we have top people running the club both financially and on the field lets now move on from the last2 games we cannot change those results only learn from them lets get behind the team 100% on wednesday coyr[/p][/quote]i agree i did not expect much from arsenal and chelsea but should of got maybe a point at arsenal.puts more pressure on the villa game think with brouc out i take 4 points from the next 6. up saints

8:24pm Mon 2 Dec 13

miltonnroad76 says...

Christ on a crutch ..Saints are having the best start to a prem or div 1 season ever and some fans are bleating....we were 2nd in prem league all be it for a minutes on sunday and 3rd for a while longer lets celebrate that!!! We have just been narrowly beaten by two of the best teams in europe and chelsea were grerat but saints didnt buckle...bit of luck could got a result...and why pick on osvaldo last year it was jay rod who was waste of money give the guy a chance he is the Italian center forward are fans saying hes good enuff for italy but not saints..?? Enjoy the ride we are prem league and prem league to stay !!!
Christ on a crutch ..Saints are having the best start to a prem or div 1 season ever and some fans are bleating....we were 2nd in prem league all be it for a minutes on sunday and 3rd for a while longer lets celebrate that!!! We have just been narrowly beaten by two of the best teams in europe and chelsea were grerat but saints didnt buckle...bit of luck could got a result...and why pick on osvaldo last year it was jay rod who was waste of money give the guy a chance he is the Italian center forward are fans saying hes good enuff for italy but not saints..?? Enjoy the ride we are prem league and prem league to stay !!! miltonnroad76

8:43pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Confucious says...

jls217 wrote:
Confucious wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jls217 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Forgot to add - Said all along we need a tried and tested goal scorer, there were some available at the time. If we need to go hunting one at Xmas you can guarantee he won't come cheap. Reading what I have about the scouting system now in place at Saints there will already be a shortlist drawn up and being checked on a weekly basis - we need not panic, the club is in superb hands with NC and Dr Spoch. 7th on the lead up to Xmas - what a fantastic season.
Yes, what a pity Poch didn't have your wisdom at the time. Proves that he is as human as the rest of us.
Sarcasm not really required mate. Merely stating what others have already said many times from the pre-season to this. Poch has better than the combined wisdom of all punters on here. He has a superb, leave no stone unturned, scouting system. If he feels there's a gap I'm sure he has steps planned to cover it. Few of us on here can be sure exactly what he has coming through talent factory and maybe he sees someone there to supplement the strike force. We have two England strikers, an Italian international and we're struggling to score goals - Not unreasonable to wonder why surely? Regardless - it's still a fantastic season and next will be even better.
"Merely stating what others have already said many times?" So why are you repeating it again? Stop preaching to the converted, it is depressing us more than we need to be. If you are going to praise Poch and co. OK. just don't start the post with negative comments about the situation that we are all patently aware of. Try to keep the belief, wait and see what Poch can come up with, I am sure he is aware of our shortcomings and has already planned the next move. We were doing fine until that International break messed every thing up, it is time this mess was sorted out. We are also, in my opinion, not getting much luck at moment, they say it levels out over the Season so we should be in for some good fortune in the the New Year?
Osprey please remember that others are allowed an opinion even if it doesn't agree wih yours and even if it contains some grammatical or typing errors

Even before the last 2 matches I have expressed concerns about the sustainability of the MoPo system and it will be interesting to see if coaches like lambert have learnt from Arsen and Jose Will he play 2/3 front men and use route 1 as Jose did in the second half and does MoPo have a plan B ?

What did NC say back in January ''I don't wait until a manager loses 3 or 4 games before I think about replacing him'' MoPo was brought in to take us to the' next level' but we will drop short of that if we fail to get points at home and none of the current top 8 have been to SMS yet this season
Sorry, just getting hacked off with the repetitive negativity on here, if we can't keep the faith and only moan when it isn't going right, that in my opinion is bad sportmanship and simply doesn't deserve success.
Perhaps I can bring a little sanity to this heated discussion.

We need a more balanced approach on here. People are being overly negative about positive views and far too positive about negative ones.

You should not however take this to mean that it's ok to be positively negative or positively positive because that's much the same as being overly negative and overly positive. We need to find the exact half way point on the line from negative to positive.

No doubt there will be some who will be negative about having an exact balance between negativity and positivity - preferring a positive bias towards positivity. But others will be negative about not being negatively biased ie positive about being negatively biased.

Come on, shape up guys.
This is a discussion forum. It's about opinions. If there is something negative to be discussed ie the second half then we should all feel free to discuss it. I found very little to be happy clappy about how Chelsea wrestled control from what up to then was very happy clappy indeed. Now it does not get much more balanced than that does it? Am I still positive and upbeat about our season - read all my posts if it concerns you that much - you'll find I'm a very happy financial unit for the Saints coffers. That doesn't mean I can't see the cracks when they appear. A fellow Saints fan who I work with slowed down my enthusiasm with a statement, "It'll be great until some team works out how to negate it". Meaning the pressure we put clubs under. My reply was don't see how they can, they are so fit and buzzing they just close down all over the park and then go forward as a unit. Well that was two games ago and I'm eating my words. It may be the way to beat it is exactly what Chelsea did - beat us up, use wide runners, balls over the top and direct play. You can be sure that 45 mins will not be lost on managers and coaches of other prem league clubs.
I for one will not be censored because someone, somewhere doesn't like to hear what someone else has to say which doesn't gel with their thinking. If you don't like what's being said don't read it and don't feel so driven to respond to it. Seeeeeemples! May peace and harmony be with you all always.
I may not agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to shut up.

On second thoughts, I'll meet you half way. I'll admit I'm wrong if you'll admit I'm right.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: Forgot to add - Said all along we need a tried and tested goal scorer, there were some available at the time. If we need to go hunting one at Xmas you can guarantee he won't come cheap. Reading what I have about the scouting system now in place at Saints there will already be a shortlist drawn up and being checked on a weekly basis - we need not panic, the club is in superb hands with NC and Dr Spoch. 7th on the lead up to Xmas - what a fantastic season.[/p][/quote]Yes, what a pity Poch didn't have your wisdom at the time. Proves that he is as human as the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Sarcasm not really required mate. Merely stating what others have already said many times from the pre-season to this. Poch has better than the combined wisdom of all punters on here. He has a superb, leave no stone unturned, scouting system. If he feels there's a gap I'm sure he has steps planned to cover it. Few of us on here can be sure exactly what he has coming through talent factory and maybe he sees someone there to supplement the strike force. We have two England strikers, an Italian international and we're struggling to score goals - Not unreasonable to wonder why surely? Regardless - it's still a fantastic season and next will be even better.[/p][/quote]"Merely stating what others have already said many times?" So why are you repeating it again? Stop preaching to the converted, it is depressing us more than we need to be. If you are going to praise Poch and co. OK. just don't start the post with negative comments about the situation that we are all patently aware of. Try to keep the belief, wait and see what Poch can come up with, I am sure he is aware of our shortcomings and has already planned the next move. We were doing fine until that International break messed every thing up, it is time this mess was sorted out. We are also, in my opinion, not getting much luck at moment, they say it levels out over the Season so we should be in for some good fortune in the the New Year?[/p][/quote]Osprey please remember that others are allowed an opinion even if it doesn't agree wih yours and even if it contains some grammatical or typing errors Even before the last 2 matches I have expressed concerns about the sustainability of the MoPo system and it will be interesting to see if coaches like lambert have learnt from Arsen and Jose Will he play 2/3 front men and use route 1 as Jose did in the second half and does MoPo have a plan B ? What did NC say back in January ''I don't wait until a manager loses 3 or 4 games before I think about replacing him'' MoPo was brought in to take us to the' next level' but we will drop short of that if we fail to get points at home and none of the current top 8 have been to SMS yet this season[/p][/quote]Sorry, just getting hacked off with the repetitive negativity on here, if we can't keep the faith and only moan when it isn't going right, that in my opinion is bad sportmanship and simply doesn't deserve success.[/p][/quote]Perhaps I can bring a little sanity to this heated discussion. We need a more balanced approach on here. People are being overly negative about positive views and far too positive about negative ones. You should not however take this to mean that it's ok to be positively negative or positively positive because that's much the same as being overly negative and overly positive. We need to find the exact half way point on the line from negative to positive. No doubt there will be some who will be negative about having an exact balance between negativity and positivity - preferring a positive bias towards positivity. But others will be negative about not being negatively biased ie positive about being negatively biased. Come on, shape up guys.[/p][/quote]This is a discussion forum. It's about opinions. If there is something negative to be discussed ie the second half then we should all feel free to discuss it. I found very little to be happy clappy about how Chelsea wrestled control from what up to then was very happy clappy indeed. Now it does not get much more balanced than that does it? Am I still positive and upbeat about our season - read all my posts if it concerns you that much - you'll find I'm a very happy financial unit for the Saints coffers. That doesn't mean I can't see the cracks when they appear. A fellow Saints fan who I work with slowed down my enthusiasm with a statement, "It'll be great until some team works out how to negate it". Meaning the pressure we put clubs under. My reply was don't see how they can, they are so fit and buzzing they just close down all over the park and then go forward as a unit. Well that was two games ago and I'm eating my words. It may be the way to beat it is exactly what Chelsea did - beat us up, use wide runners, balls over the top and direct play. You can be sure that 45 mins will not be lost on managers and coaches of other prem league clubs. I for one will not be censored because someone, somewhere doesn't like to hear what someone else has to say which doesn't gel with their thinking. If you don't like what's being said don't read it and don't feel so driven to respond to it. Seeeeeemples! May peace and harmony be with you all always.[/p][/quote]I may not agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to shut up. On second thoughts, I'll meet you half way. I'll admit I'm wrong if you'll admit I'm right. Confucious

9:15pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Velleity says...

I genuinely, genuinely, believe that some of the posters on here are actually glad that we've stumbled. They've been waiting for it and are no overjoyed that they can spout their negative drivel. What sad lives they must lead. Nothing positive to say when things are going well; too busy waiting for things to go wrong.

I expect TheBoreBore will be back soon...
I genuinely, genuinely, believe that some of the posters on here are actually glad that we've stumbled. They've been waiting for it and are no overjoyed that they can spout their negative drivel. What sad lives they must lead. Nothing positive to say when things are going well; too busy waiting for things to go wrong. I expect TheBoreBore will be back soon... Velleity

9:20pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Clever Dick says...

miltonnroad76 wrote:
Christ on a crutch ..Saints are having the best start to a prem or div 1 season ever and some fans are bleating....we were 2nd in prem league all be it for a minutes on sunday and 3rd for a while longer lets celebrate that!!! We have just been narrowly beaten by two of the best teams in europe and chelsea were grerat but saints didnt buckle...bit of luck could got a result...and why pick on osvaldo last year it was jay rod who was waste of money give the guy a chance he is the Italian center forward are fans saying hes good enuff for italy but not saints..?? Enjoy the ride we are prem league and prem league to stay !!!
Yep to that!
[quote][p][bold]miltonnroad76[/bold] wrote: Christ on a crutch ..Saints are having the best start to a prem or div 1 season ever and some fans are bleating....we were 2nd in prem league all be it for a minutes on sunday and 3rd for a while longer lets celebrate that!!! We have just been narrowly beaten by two of the best teams in europe and chelsea were grerat but saints didnt buckle...bit of luck could got a result...and why pick on osvaldo last year it was jay rod who was waste of money give the guy a chance he is the Italian center forward are fans saying hes good enuff for italy but not saints..?? Enjoy the ride we are prem league and prem league to stay !!![/p][/quote]Yep to that! Clever Dick

9:31pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Clever Dick says...

jls217 wrote:
Confucious wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Saintsayer II wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jls217 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Forgot to add - Said all along we need a tried and tested goal scorer, there were some available at the time. If we need to go hunting one at Xmas you can guarantee he won't come cheap. Reading what I have about the scouting system now in place at Saints there will already be a shortlist drawn up and being checked on a weekly basis - we need not panic, the club is in superb hands with NC and Dr Spoch. 7th on the lead up to Xmas - what a fantastic season.
Yes, what a pity Poch didn't have your wisdom at the time. Proves that he is as human as the rest of us.
Sarcasm not really required mate. Merely stating what others have already said many times from the pre-season to this. Poch has better than the combined wisdom of all punters on here. He has a superb, leave no stone unturned, scouting system. If he feels there's a gap I'm sure he has steps planned to cover it. Few of us on here can be sure exactly what he has coming through talent factory and maybe he sees someone there to supplement the strike force. We have two England strikers, an Italian international and we're struggling to score goals - Not unreasonable to wonder why surely? Regardless - it's still a fantastic season and next will be even better.
"Merely stating what others have already said many times?" So why are you repeating it again? Stop preaching to the converted, it is depressing us more than we need to be. If you are going to praise Poch and co. OK. just don't start the post with negative comments about the situation that we are all patently aware of. Try to keep the belief, wait and see what Poch can come up with, I am sure he is aware of our shortcomings and has already planned the next move. We were doing fine until that International break messed every thing up, it is time this mess was sorted out. We are also, in my opinion, not getting much luck at moment, they say it levels out over the Season so we should be in for some good fortune in the the New Year?
Osprey please remember that others are allowed an opinion even if it doesn't agree wih yours and even if it contains some grammatical or typing errors

Even before the last 2 matches I have expressed concerns about the sustainability of the MoPo system and it will be interesting to see if coaches like lambert have learnt from Arsen and Jose Will he play 2/3 front men and use route 1 as Jose did in the second half and does MoPo have a plan B ?

What did NC say back in January ''I don't wait until a manager loses 3 or 4 games before I think about replacing him'' MoPo was brought in to take us to the' next level' but we will drop short of that if we fail to get points at home and none of the current top 8 have been to SMS yet this season
Sorry, just getting hacked off with the repetitive negativity on here, if we can't keep the faith and only moan when it isn't going right, that in my opinion is bad sportmanship and simply doesn't deserve success.
Perhaps I can bring a little sanity to this heated discussion.

We need a more balanced approach on here. People are being overly negative about positive views and far too positive about negative ones.

You should not however take this to mean that it's ok to be positively negative or positively positive because that's much the same as being overly negative and overly positive. We need to find the exact half way point on the line from negative to positive.

No doubt there will be some who will be negative about having an exact balance between negativity and positivity - preferring a positive bias towards positivity. But others will be negative about not being negatively biased ie positive about being negatively biased.

Come on, shape up guys.
This is a discussion forum. It's about opinions. If there is something negative to be discussed ie the second half then we should all feel free to discuss it. I found very little to be happy clappy about how Chelsea wrestled control from what up to then was very happy clappy indeed. Now it does not get much more balanced than that does it? Am I still positive and upbeat about our season - read all my posts if it concerns you that much - you'll find I'm a very happy financial unit for the Saints coffers. That doesn't mean I can't see the cracks when they appear. A fellow Saints fan who I work with slowed down my enthusiasm with a statement, "It'll be great until some team works out how to negate it". Meaning the pressure we put clubs under. My reply was don't see how they can, they are so fit and buzzing they just close down all over the park and then go forward as a unit. Well that was two games ago and I'm eating my words. It may be the way to beat it is exactly what Chelsea did - beat us up, use wide runners, balls over the top and direct play. You can be sure that 45 mins will not be lost on managers and coaches of other prem league clubs.
I for one will not be censored because someone, somewhere doesn't like to hear what someone else has to say which doesn't gel with their thinking. If you don't like what's being said don't read it and don't feel so driven to respond to it. Seeeeeemples! May peace and harmony be with you all always.
It is certainly true that Chelski were able to negate our tactics. The reason they were able to do this is that they are a very talented side and one of the few who out-bullied us. Most prem sides just aren't that good and won't be able to do the same. If it were that easy to counter us then we would be bottom of the league with no points. We're not we're 7th and could well go higher with a win on Wednesday.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: Forgot to add - Said all along we need a tried and tested goal scorer, there were some available at the time. If we need to go hunting one at Xmas you can guarantee he won't come cheap. Reading what I have about the scouting system now in place at Saints there will already be a shortlist drawn up and being checked on a weekly basis - we need not panic, the club is in superb hands with NC and Dr Spoch. 7th on the lead up to Xmas - what a fantastic season.[/p][/quote]Yes, what a pity Poch didn't have your wisdom at the time. Proves that he is as human as the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Sarcasm not really required mate. Merely stating what others have already said many times from the pre-season to this. Poch has better than the combined wisdom of all punters on here. He has a superb, leave no stone unturned, scouting system. If he feels there's a gap I'm sure he has steps planned to cover it. Few of us on here can be sure exactly what he has coming through talent factory and maybe he sees someone there to supplement the strike force. We have two England strikers, an Italian international and we're struggling to score goals - Not unreasonable to wonder why surely? Regardless - it's still a fantastic season and next will be even better.[/p][/quote]"Merely stating what others have already said many times?" So why are you repeating it again? Stop preaching to the converted, it is depressing us more than we need to be. If you are going to praise Poch and co. OK. just don't start the post with negative comments about the situation that we are all patently aware of. Try to keep the belief, wait and see what Poch can come up with, I am sure he is aware of our shortcomings and has already planned the next move. We were doing fine until that International break messed every thing up, it is time this mess was sorted out. We are also, in my opinion, not getting much luck at moment, they say it levels out over the Season so we should be in for some good fortune in the the New Year?[/p][/quote]Osprey please remember that others are allowed an opinion even if it doesn't agree wih yours and even if it contains some grammatical or typing errors Even before the last 2 matches I have expressed concerns about the sustainability of the MoPo system and it will be interesting to see if coaches like lambert have learnt from Arsen and Jose Will he play 2/3 front men and use route 1 as Jose did in the second half and does MoPo have a plan B ? What did NC say back in January ''I don't wait until a manager loses 3 or 4 games before I think about replacing him'' MoPo was brought in to take us to the' next level' but we will drop short of that if we fail to get points at home and none of the current top 8 have been to SMS yet this season[/p][/quote]Sorry, just getting hacked off with the repetitive negativity on here, if we can't keep the faith and only moan when it isn't going right, that in my opinion is bad sportmanship and simply doesn't deserve success.[/p][/quote]Perhaps I can bring a little sanity to this heated discussion. We need a more balanced approach on here. People are being overly negative about positive views and far too positive about negative ones. You should not however take this to mean that it's ok to be positively negative or positively positive because that's much the same as being overly negative and overly positive. We need to find the exact half way point on the line from negative to positive. No doubt there will be some who will be negative about having an exact balance between negativity and positivity - preferring a positive bias towards positivity. But others will be negative about not being negatively biased ie positive about being negatively biased. Come on, shape up guys.[/p][/quote]This is a discussion forum. It's about opinions. If there is something negative to be discussed ie the second half then we should all feel free to discuss it. I found very little to be happy clappy about how Chelsea wrestled control from what up to then was very happy clappy indeed. Now it does not get much more balanced than that does it? Am I still positive and upbeat about our season - read all my posts if it concerns you that much - you'll find I'm a very happy financial unit for the Saints coffers. That doesn't mean I can't see the cracks when they appear. A fellow Saints fan who I work with slowed down my enthusiasm with a statement, "It'll be great until some team works out how to negate it". Meaning the pressure we put clubs under. My reply was don't see how they can, they are so fit and buzzing they just close down all over the park and then go forward as a unit. Well that was two games ago and I'm eating my words. It may be the way to beat it is exactly what Chelsea did - beat us up, use wide runners, balls over the top and direct play. You can be sure that 45 mins will not be lost on managers and coaches of other prem league clubs. I for one will not be censored because someone, somewhere doesn't like to hear what someone else has to say which doesn't gel with their thinking. If you don't like what's being said don't read it and don't feel so driven to respond to it. Seeeeeemples! May peace and harmony be with you all always.[/p][/quote]It is certainly true that Chelski were able to negate our tactics. The reason they were able to do this is that they are a very talented side and one of the few who out-bullied us. Most prem sides just aren't that good and won't be able to do the same. If it were that easy to counter us then we would be bottom of the league with no points. We're not we're 7th and could well go higher with a win on Wednesday. Clever Dick

9:32pm Mon 2 Dec 13

el caballo santos101 says...

I really don't get this idea that some have about our system being `found out`. we aren't playing a brand new system that no one has seen before and prem managers aren't so stupid that it takes the special one to show them how to beat us!
all clubs play different systems and some will change their system to suit the team they are playing against, theres nothing new in that. chelski were forced to change their system yesterday because we were out playing them. it worked but mainly because chelski have a team full of seasoned expensive international players. most teams wont e able to do that. arsenal didn't beat us the same way as chelski. arsenal were lucky to beat us, a mistake by AB and a pen which, whilst being correct, could have been given at any corner/free kick. Wenger didn't `find us out` he picked his team to play his way, he even brought theo on as the speedy winger that people think is the way to beat us and he hardly got a kick.
personally im happy with the way we played both games and but for 25-30 mins in the second half yesterday thought we proved that we can compete with the `big` boys, though it must said that I am a proud badge wearing happy clapper!
I really don't get this idea that some have about our system being `found out`. we aren't playing a brand new system that no one has seen before and prem managers aren't so stupid that it takes the special one to show them how to beat us! all clubs play different systems and some will change their system to suit the team they are playing against, theres nothing new in that. chelski were forced to change their system yesterday because we were out playing them. it worked but mainly because chelski have a team full of seasoned expensive international players. most teams wont e able to do that. arsenal didn't beat us the same way as chelski. arsenal were lucky to beat us, a mistake by AB and a pen which, whilst being correct, could have been given at any corner/free kick. Wenger didn't `find us out` he picked his team to play his way, he even brought theo on as the speedy winger that people think is the way to beat us and he hardly got a kick. personally im happy with the way we played both games and but for 25-30 mins in the second half yesterday thought we proved that we can compete with the `big` boys, though it must said that I am a proud badge wearing happy clapper! el caballo santos101

9:42pm Mon 2 Dec 13

jls217 says...

Clever Dick wrote:
miltonnroad76 wrote:
Christ on a crutch ..Saints are having the best start to a prem or div 1 season ever and some fans are bleating....we were 2nd in prem league all be it for a minutes on sunday and 3rd for a while longer lets celebrate that!!! We have just been narrowly beaten by two of the best teams in europe and chelsea were grerat but saints didnt buckle...bit of luck could got a result...and why pick on osvaldo last year it was jay rod who was waste of money give the guy a chance he is the Italian center forward are fans saying hes good enuff for italy but not saints..?? Enjoy the ride we are prem league and prem league to stay !!!
Yep to that!
I'll drink to that.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonnroad76[/bold] wrote: Christ on a crutch ..Saints are having the best start to a prem or div 1 season ever and some fans are bleating....we were 2nd in prem league all be it for a minutes on sunday and 3rd for a while longer lets celebrate that!!! We have just been narrowly beaten by two of the best teams in europe and chelsea were grerat but saints didnt buckle...bit of luck could got a result...and why pick on osvaldo last year it was jay rod who was waste of money give the guy a chance he is the Italian center forward are fans saying hes good enuff for italy but not saints..?? Enjoy the ride we are prem league and prem league to stay !!![/p][/quote]Yep to that![/p][/quote]I'll drink to that. jls217

10:16pm Mon 2 Dec 13

mack chinnon says...

I'm looking forward to seeing Gazza play on Wednesday. He impressed me last season. His distribution is good.
I'm looking forward to seeing Gazza play on Wednesday. He impressed me last season. His distribution is good. mack chinnon

11:10pm Mon 2 Dec 13

SFCOLDBOY says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
insane saint wrote:
SFCOLDBOY wrote:
Someone on here observed that Cahill had Osvaldo effectively in his pocket.
To a degree I accept this.
Where I differ is that Osvaldo allowed Cahill to get in front of him every time the ball was played up to him. He obviously is not learning from Rickie how to do this.
Even in the short time Rickie was on the pitch he managed to get away from his marker and link the play.
Osvaldo also does not appear to accept the notion that when you have lost the ball, that you have to work harder and to get it back,contrary to all our other players.
He also needs to look at his fellow players when they get a heavy tackle, they don't lay around, they get up and get on with it and don't just gob off at the ref.
He needs to forget the traits that come from Italy, he is playing in English football the SOUTHAMPTON WAY.
This sounds that I have a downer on him, just the contrary, I want to see him being a great success for our team. he appears to have the ability, I really hope he ups his game.
Wednesday would be a great time to start.
COYS.
dare i say it against 'er in doors other team.......... ozzie ozzie ozzie oi oi oi... COYS
Ha! I reckon OldBoy should be down at Staplewood giving Dani some tips. If he hten nets a hatrick, 'erindoors will be well miffed :-)

WHat colours will be she be wearing to the match, Insane, or is she banned?
Er in doors has read this Strassie!
Sorry, no one here is brave enough to try to ban her.
She says she can't wait to talk to you.
Be affraid be very affraid.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]insane saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SFCOLDBOY[/bold] wrote: Someone on here observed that Cahill had Osvaldo effectively in his pocket. To a degree I accept this. Where I differ is that Osvaldo allowed Cahill to get in front of him every time the ball was played up to him. He obviously is not learning from Rickie how to do this. Even in the short time Rickie was on the pitch he managed to get away from his marker and link the play. Osvaldo also does not appear to accept the notion that when you have lost the ball, that you have to work harder and to get it back,contrary to all our other players. He also needs to look at his fellow players when they get a heavy tackle, they don't lay around, they get up and get on with it and don't just gob off at the ref. He needs to forget the traits that come from Italy, he is playing in English football the SOUTHAMPTON WAY. This sounds that I have a downer on him, just the contrary, I want to see him being a great success for our team. he appears to have the ability, I really hope he ups his game. Wednesday would be a great time to start. COYS.[/p][/quote]dare i say it against 'er in doors other team.......... ozzie ozzie ozzie oi oi oi... COYS[/p][/quote]Ha! I reckon OldBoy should be down at Staplewood giving Dani some tips. If he hten nets a hatrick, 'erindoors will be well miffed :-) WHat colours will be she be wearing to the match, Insane, or is she banned?[/p][/quote]Er in doors has read this Strassie! Sorry, no one here is brave enough to try to ban her. She says she can't wait to talk to you. Be affraid be very affraid. SFCOLDBOY

11:24pm Mon 2 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Don't look now but Lawro has predicted us to win 2 1 isn't he on a good run at the moment?
Don't look now but Lawro has predicted us to win 2 1 isn't he on a good run at the moment? OSPREYSAINT

9:43pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

SFCOLDBOY wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
insane saint wrote:
SFCOLDBOY wrote:
Someone on here observed that Cahill had Osvaldo effectively in his pocket.
To a degree I accept this.
Where I differ is that Osvaldo allowed Cahill to get in front of him every time the ball was played up to him. He obviously is not learning from Rickie how to do this.
Even in the short time Rickie was on the pitch he managed to get away from his marker and link the play.
Osvaldo also does not appear to accept the notion that when you have lost the ball, that you have to work harder and to get it back,contrary to all our other players.
He also needs to look at his fellow players when they get a heavy tackle, they don't lay around, they get up and get on with it and don't just gob off at the ref.
He needs to forget the traits that come from Italy, he is playing in English football the SOUTHAMPTON WAY.
This sounds that I have a downer on him, just the contrary, I want to see him being a great success for our team. he appears to have the ability, I really hope he ups his game.
Wednesday would be a great time to start.
COYS.
dare i say it against 'er in doors other team.......... ozzie ozzie ozzie oi oi oi... COYS
Ha! I reckon OldBoy should be down at Staplewood giving Dani some tips. If he hten nets a hatrick, 'erindoors will be well miffed :-)

WHat colours will be she be wearing to the match, Insane, or is she banned?
Er in doors has read this Strassie!
Sorry, no one here is brave enough to try to ban her.
She says she can't wait to talk to you.
Be affraid be very affraid.
Love Villa; always have, always will :-)
[quote][p][bold]SFCOLDBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]insane saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SFCOLDBOY[/bold] wrote: Someone on here observed that Cahill had Osvaldo effectively in his pocket. To a degree I accept this. Where I differ is that Osvaldo allowed Cahill to get in front of him every time the ball was played up to him. He obviously is not learning from Rickie how to do this. Even in the short time Rickie was on the pitch he managed to get away from his marker and link the play. Osvaldo also does not appear to accept the notion that when you have lost the ball, that you have to work harder and to get it back,contrary to all our other players. He also needs to look at his fellow players when they get a heavy tackle, they don't lay around, they get up and get on with it and don't just gob off at the ref. He needs to forget the traits that come from Italy, he is playing in English football the SOUTHAMPTON WAY. This sounds that I have a downer on him, just the contrary, I want to see him being a great success for our team. he appears to have the ability, I really hope he ups his game. Wednesday would be a great time to start. COYS.[/p][/quote]dare i say it against 'er in doors other team.......... ozzie ozzie ozzie oi oi oi... COYS[/p][/quote]Ha! I reckon OldBoy should be down at Staplewood giving Dani some tips. If he hten nets a hatrick, 'erindoors will be well miffed :-) WHat colours will be she be wearing to the match, Insane, or is she banned?[/p][/quote]Er in doors has read this Strassie! Sorry, no one here is brave enough to try to ban her. She says she can't wait to talk to you. Be affraid be very affraid.[/p][/quote]Love Villa; always have, always will :-) Strasbourg Saint

1:54pm Wed 4 Dec 13

jls217 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Don't look now but Lawro has predicted us to win 2 1 isn't he on a good run at the moment?
Wisest pundit on the telly right now. Can't possibly argue with that.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Don't look now but Lawro has predicted us to win 2 1 isn't he on a good run at the moment?[/p][/quote]Wisest pundit on the telly right now. Can't possibly argue with that. jls217

2:17pm Wed 4 Dec 13

jls217 says...

Turn our selection problems on its head and we end up with a positive. Every one of the starting eleven who can't make it, for whatever reason, is a chance for us to see what is waiting in the wings (no pun intended) We'll never know how good Gazza, Chambers, Isgrove, Gallagher, Rowe, and those even further down the food chain are going to be unless they get the chance for a run in the first team. I would guess a large number of youngsters choose Saints because there is a better chance of eventually getting a league debut than with the likes of Manky Schitty. This may be that chance for one or two of them to step up and repay the faith put in them by the training staff. Somewhere there's another Shearer just waiting for his chance to get a hat trick.
Turn our selection problems on its head and we end up with a positive. Every one of the starting eleven who can't make it, for whatever reason, is a chance for us to see what is waiting in the wings (no pun intended) We'll never know how good Gazza, Chambers, Isgrove, Gallagher, Rowe, and those even further down the food chain are going to be unless they get the chance for a run in the first team. I would guess a large number of youngsters choose Saints because there is a better chance of eventually getting a league debut than with the likes of Manky Schitty. This may be that chance for one or two of them to step up and repay the faith put in them by the training staff. Somewhere there's another Shearer just waiting for his chance to get a hat trick. jls217

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