Poch angry over Spurs Christmas gift

Daily Echo: Poch angry over Spurs Christmas gift Poch angry over Spurs Christmas gift

Mauricio Pochettino said his players "dressed up as Santa Claus" to gift Tottenham a 3-2 win at St Mary's.

Saints have picked up just two draws from their last six Premier League games heading into Christmas after a disappointing defeat.

The Saints boss was clearly seething with his team over the loss and said: "It was very frustrating. We are very angry about the result.

"We actually dressed up as Santa Claus today and gifted them so many goals and so many chances.

"We started off quite well in the first half, we got the 1-0 and we were very close to getting the 2-0 but then when we conceded the equaliser it was very hard to get back in the game, especially in the second half it was very tough."

He added: "We are going through a very tough time at the moment.

"We are lacking a lot of our players, we are lacking a full squad, players are going through different illnesses and injuries and we are conceding a lot of goals.

"I am concerned about the situation because our main focus now is to regain that defensive solid to get back to how solid we are defensively."

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4:47pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Positively4thStreet says...

'tis the Ghost of Dell days past!
'tis the Ghost of Dell days past! Positively4thStreet

4:51pm Sun 22 Dec 13

J.P.M... says...

That was painful to watch. Why didn't we play a keeper ?!!
That was painful to watch. Why didn't we play a keeper ?!! J.P.M...

4:55pm Sun 22 Dec 13

lowemustgo says...

Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league.
Get Fonte back in.
As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side?
We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales.
Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.
Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league. Get Fonte back in. As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side? We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales. Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game. lowemustgo

4:59pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Positively4thStreet says...

Splash the cash in Jan please Nicola.
Splash the cash in Jan please Nicola. Positively4thStreet

5:00pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Saint 2701 says...

Well you will play Hooiveld and Fox together Poch!! What did you expect!!!

New GK, CB and LB.needed immediately!

#hooiveldyoudonkey
Well you will play Hooiveld and Fox together Poch!! What did you expect!!! New GK, CB and LB.needed immediately! #hooiveldyoudonkey Saint 2701

5:15pm Sun 22 Dec 13

johnlennonar says...

lowemustgo wrote:
Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league.
Get Fonte back in.
As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side?
We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales.
Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.
L. Shaw, J. Fonte and A. Boruc are all out injured, so what do you expect you prat? Bring Fonte back injured? What a completely stupid comment HAHAHA LOL
[quote][p][bold]lowemustgo[/bold] wrote: Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league. Get Fonte back in. As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side? We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales. Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.[/p][/quote]L. Shaw, J. Fonte and A. Boruc are all out injured, so what do you expect you prat? Bring Fonte back injured? What a completely stupid comment HAHAHA LOL johnlennonar

5:15pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Tony in Liberia says...

Come on - the only reason Poch would pay Hooveild & Fox together is that he has no choice; we all know our best defense, but 4 out of the 5 are injured, so we couldn't play them.

And as I've said before, no top-class guy will come in to replace Fox just to be the understudy to Luke. It looks like Taggart will be the back-up, but he's obviously not quite ready, or else Fox wouldn't be playing.

Poch knows Hooveild isn't prem quality, but again, who else? I said I was against bringing in players in the window but now I'd take someone like Micah Richards on loan for the season, have Fonte as back-up and ship out Hooveild to anyone who will have him. But that;s because I want our academy kids to come through to take over.

Now, if the price of that is a season in the mid-prem, and building a bit more slowly than those who want us to buy a team (on a capacity of 32,000?) that can get into the top 4 now, then I'll be happy with that. As long as I can see that we are going the right way I'm happy, and there's bound to be knocks along the way. But also, remember this - our BEST EVER prem finish is 8th, and that's well within reach, so come on - this is still a great season! Let's not get negative, that's the kind of thing that just grows.

If I was 2 points above the Conference, with a manager whose just publicly told his payers they are all cr&p, then I'd be worried, but we're not, so let's stay positive!
Come on - the only reason Poch would pay Hooveild & Fox together is that he has no choice; we all know our best defense, but 4 out of the 5 are injured, so we couldn't play them. And as I've said before, no top-class guy will come in to replace Fox just to be the understudy to Luke. It looks like Taggart will be the back-up, but he's obviously not quite ready, or else Fox wouldn't be playing. Poch knows Hooveild isn't prem quality, but again, who else? I said I was against bringing in players in the window but now I'd take someone like Micah Richards on loan for the season, have Fonte as back-up and ship out Hooveild to anyone who will have him. But that;s because I want our academy kids to come through to take over. Now, if the price of that is a season in the mid-prem, and building a bit more slowly than those who want us to buy a team (on a capacity of 32,000?) that can get into the top 4 now, then I'll be happy with that. As long as I can see that we are going the right way I'm happy, and there's bound to be knocks along the way. But also, remember this - our BEST EVER prem finish is 8th, and that's well within reach, so come on - this is still a great season! Let's not get negative, that's the kind of thing that just grows. If I was 2 points above the Conference, with a manager whose just publicly told his payers they are all cr&p, then I'd be worried, but we're not, so let's stay positive! Tony in Liberia

5:19pm Sun 22 Dec 13

hedge end bob says...

Our manager should be angry at himself!!. It is not the first time we have seen CHAMPIONSHIP PLAYERS taking too the field of play when we have first team players sat on the bench. If they are on the bench then they are fit enough to play some part of the game. Our non existant back four plus goal keeper looked like they had a bet on wth honest George that we would loose that game 3-2.
Surely it makes sense to start with your strongest team and try to have the game won and under control before you put your second choice players on. I am still 100% be Poochy but 2 points from 18 is relegation form not top six.
We do need players brought in in January as we saw today the squad we have will keep us in the PREMIERSHIP but, ONLY JUST. Attack me if you like but that's my honest opinion where are club stands today. We need Goal keeper , Left back Centre back at least.
Our manager should be angry at himself!!. It is not the first time we have seen CHAMPIONSHIP PLAYERS taking too the field of play when we have first team players sat on the bench. If they are on the bench then they are fit enough to play some part of the game. Our non existant back four plus goal keeper looked like they had a bet on wth honest George that we would loose that game 3-2. Surely it makes sense to start with your strongest team and try to have the game won and under control before you put your second choice players on. I am still 100% be Poochy but 2 points from 18 is relegation form not top six. We do need players brought in in January as we saw today the squad we have will keep us in the PREMIERSHIP but, ONLY JUST. Attack me if you like but that's my honest opinion where are club stands today. We need Goal keeper , Left back Centre back at least. hedge end bob

5:28pm Sun 22 Dec 13

andygoater1957 says...

They must get another keeper now as Gazza well not come off his line to pick, the Ball. And a C/B.
They must get another keeper now as Gazza well not come off his line to pick, the Ball. And a C/B. andygoater1957

5:35pm Sun 22 Dec 13

redsnapper says...

Where was the 17,000,000 pound man?

And how quickly do Polish and Kenyan bones heal?

Without Artur and Victor that much heralded defensive strength has completely vaporised and will we ever see Gazzanigga make a save.?

All this after such a great performance against Citeh..

That's football and pretty sure the skates lost but haven't bothered to look.
Where was the 17,000,000 pound man? And how quickly do Polish and Kenyan bones heal? Without Artur and Victor that much heralded defensive strength has completely vaporised and will we ever see Gazzanigga make a save.? All this after such a great performance against Citeh.. That's football and pretty sure the skates lost but haven't bothered to look. redsnapper

5:38pm Sun 22 Dec 13

costa gaz says...

Borac, Fonte, Clyne, Shaw, Wanyama all missing.
We can only hope that they all come back soon.
The worst display Since Pochettino took over, we made spurs look like world beaters.
I am afraid that Gazzaniga just isn't a top level keeper, if he ever will be in the future.. who knows, but right now he is awful.
Hooiveld... mistake after mistake after mistake and they all seem to lead to goals.
Fox... who else can we play, this should have been addressed in the summer, always a problem when Shaw is out.
Chambers is one for the future but needs the security of decent players at the back with him.
Lovren is superb, but he cannot cover for the whole defence.
Must get some decent cover for these positions, even some loans have got to be better that what I saw today.
3 games in the next nine days will be a huge test for us, and I fear the worst.
Borac, Fonte, Clyne, Shaw, Wanyama all missing. We can only hope that they all come back soon. The worst display Since Pochettino took over, we made spurs look like world beaters. I am afraid that Gazzaniga just isn't a top level keeper, if he ever will be in the future.. who knows, but right now he is awful. Hooiveld... mistake after mistake after mistake and they all seem to lead to goals. Fox... who else can we play, this should have been addressed in the summer, always a problem when Shaw is out. Chambers is one for the future but needs the security of decent players at the back with him. Lovren is superb, but he cannot cover for the whole defence. Must get some decent cover for these positions, even some loans have got to be better that what I saw today. 3 games in the next nine days will be a huge test for us, and I fear the worst. costa gaz

5:41pm Sun 22 Dec 13

David Crook says...

Now the slump is on,can anybody out there tell me where the next 3 points are coming from.2 more defeats in a row,and I think Pochettino will be out.
Now the slump is on,can anybody out there tell me where the next 3 points are coming from.2 more defeats in a row,and I think Pochettino will be out. David Crook

5:43pm Sun 22 Dec 13

rossofficial10 says...

johnlennonar wrote:
lowemustgo wrote:
Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league.
Get Fonte back in.
As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side?
We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales.
Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.
L. Shaw, J. Fonte and A. Boruc are all out injured, so what do you expect you prat? Bring Fonte back injured? What a completely stupid comment HAHAHA LOL
i agree with the original post, fonte isnt injured! looks like poch just prefers hooiveld, and he is the only one on the planet who likes hooiveld.

realistic saints fans will agree that we need cover for shaw, also need another centre half in the louvren mould. also a pacey winger wouldnt go a miss to mix things up, Puncheon was good at being a Plan B.

Poch team selections are costing us dearly im afraid, Adkins again!

If we are serious about getting a European spot, we need a solid defence cos everthing else is pretty much sorted.

A good goalkeeper in the Jan window is a must as everytime a team attacks us they look like their going to score! cringeworthy
[quote][p][bold]johnlennonar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowemustgo[/bold] wrote: Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league. Get Fonte back in. As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side? We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales. Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.[/p][/quote]L. Shaw, J. Fonte and A. Boruc are all out injured, so what do you expect you prat? Bring Fonte back injured? What a completely stupid comment HAHAHA LOL[/p][/quote]i agree with the original post, fonte isnt injured! looks like poch just prefers hooiveld, and he is the only one on the planet who likes hooiveld. realistic saints fans will agree that we need cover for shaw, also need another centre half in the louvren mould. also a pacey winger wouldnt go a miss to mix things up, Puncheon was good at being a Plan B. Poch team selections are costing us dearly im afraid, Adkins again! If we are serious about getting a European spot, we need a solid defence cos everthing else is pretty much sorted. A good goalkeeper in the Jan window is a must as everytime a team attacks us they look like their going to score! cringeworthy rossofficial10

5:43pm Sun 22 Dec 13

donni1437 says...

This is a blip, poch will work them hard to iron these mistakes out. Take 6 first teamers out of most teams and they struggle. Good goals today from us, I'm trying to take positives out of the day.
This is a blip, poch will work them hard to iron these mistakes out. Take 6 first teamers out of most teams and they struggle. Good goals today from us, I'm trying to take positives out of the day. donni1437

5:46pm Sun 22 Dec 13

montecristosaint says...

johnlennonar wrote:
lowemustgo wrote:
Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league.
Get Fonte back in.
As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side?
We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales.
Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.
L. Shaw, J. Fonte and A. Boruc are all out injured, so what do you expect you prat? Bring Fonte back injured? What a completely stupid comment HAHAHA LOL
you are missing he point. MoPo is on record in that he thinks no siginings are needed in January wndow he is deluded. Two points out of 18 is relegation form, dare I say it, and it is down purely to three or four players, Hooiveld,Fox and Gazzaniga, none of whom are Premirship class. Gazzaniga is frankly the worst keeper I have seen in a Saints jersey. Saintss simply cannot defend against pace because the two outfield players mentioned dont have it, ad as a consequence cant defend balls over the top either. Not rocket science Im afraid. Gazzaniga simply cannot be trusted again.Cortese if you read these comments go borrow a keeper sharpish, and then buy one in the window. We desperately need more strength in depth its simply not there and you cannot rely on kids all the time no matter how good they are..todays performance made me angry.. and I bet Cortese is in a foul mood.Poch had better start singing from a diferent hymn book or he will be on his way.gód almighty...
[quote][p][bold]johnlennonar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowemustgo[/bold] wrote: Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league. Get Fonte back in. As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side? We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales. Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.[/p][/quote]L. Shaw, J. Fonte and A. Boruc are all out injured, so what do you expect you prat? Bring Fonte back injured? What a completely stupid comment HAHAHA LOL[/p][/quote]you are missing he point. MoPo is on record in that he thinks no siginings are needed in January wndow he is deluded. Two points out of 18 is relegation form, dare I say it, and it is down purely to three or four players, Hooiveld,Fox and Gazzaniga, none of whom are Premirship class. Gazzaniga is frankly the worst keeper I have seen in a Saints jersey. Saintss simply cannot defend against pace because the two outfield players mentioned dont have it, ad as a consequence cant defend balls over the top either. Not rocket science Im afraid. Gazzaniga simply cannot be trusted again.Cortese if you read these comments go borrow a keeper sharpish, and then buy one in the window. We desperately need more strength in depth its simply not there and you cannot rely on kids all the time no matter how good they are..todays performance made me angry.. and I bet Cortese is in a foul mood.Poch had better start singing from a diferent hymn book or he will be on his way.gód almighty... montecristosaint

5:48pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Sally Hamilton Original says...

Still amazed to think we are not considering improving the squad ... RL is not his best, Osvaldo hasn't yet got there, Hoover scores every time he is on the pitch for the oppo, fox didn't get forward... When Shaw, fonte, wanyama don't play we don't have anything decent to replace them!
Still amazed to think we are not considering improving the squad ... RL is not his best, Osvaldo hasn't yet got there, Hoover scores every time he is on the pitch for the oppo, fox didn't get forward... When Shaw, fonte, wanyama don't play we don't have anything decent to replace them! Sally Hamilton Original

5:48pm Sun 22 Dec 13

montecristosaint says...

johnlennonar wrote:
lowemustgo wrote:
Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league.
Get Fonte back in.
As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side?
We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales.
Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.
L. Shaw, J. Fonte and A. Boruc are all out injured, so what do you expect you prat? Bring Fonte back injured? What a completely stupid comment HAHAHA LOL
you are missing he point. KoPo is on record in that he thinks no siginings are needed in January wndow he is deluded. Two points out of 18 is relegation form, dare I say it, and it is down purely to three or four players, Hooiveld,Fox and Gazzaniga, none of whom are Premirship class. Gazzaniga is frankly the worst keeper I have seen in a Saints jersey. Saintss simply cannot defend against pace because the two outfield players mentioned dont have it, ad as a consequence cant defend balls over the top either. Not rocket science Im afraid. Gazzaniga simply cannot be trusted again.Cortese if you read these comments go borrow a keeper sharpish, and then buy one in the window. We desperately need more strength in depth its simply not there and you cannot rely on kids all the time no matter how good they are..todays performance made me angry.. and I bet Cortese is in a foul mood.Poch had better start singing from a diferent hymn book or he will be on his way.gód almighty...
[quote][p][bold]johnlennonar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowemustgo[/bold] wrote: Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league. Get Fonte back in. As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side? We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales. Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.[/p][/quote]L. Shaw, J. Fonte and A. Boruc are all out injured, so what do you expect you prat? Bring Fonte back injured? What a completely stupid comment HAHAHA LOL[/p][/quote]you are missing he point. KoPo is on record in that he thinks no siginings are needed in January wndow he is deluded. Two points out of 18 is relegation form, dare I say it, and it is down purely to three or four players, Hooiveld,Fox and Gazzaniga, none of whom are Premirship class. Gazzaniga is frankly the worst keeper I have seen in a Saints jersey. Saintss simply cannot defend against pace because the two outfield players mentioned dont have it, ad as a consequence cant defend balls over the top either. Not rocket science Im afraid. Gazzaniga simply cannot be trusted again.Cortese if you read these comments go borrow a keeper sharpish, and then buy one in the window. We desperately need more strength in depth its simply not there and you cannot rely on kids all the time no matter how good they are..todays performance made me angry.. and I bet Cortese is in a foul mood.Poch had better start singing from a diferent hymn book or he will be on his way.gód almighty... montecristosaint

5:51pm Sun 22 Dec 13

CB FRY LIVES says...

J.P.M... wrote:
That was painful to watch. Why didn't we play a keeper ?!!
Time to give CODY CROPPER a debut.Gazza isn't good enough.He was naive last season when he played and this season if anything he has gone backwards.should be loaned out to a lower division club in January to learn the rudiments of goalkeeping and in particular going for crosses and dominating his penalty area.
[quote][p][bold]J.P.M...[/bold] wrote: That was painful to watch. Why didn't we play a keeper ?!![/p][/quote]Time to give CODY CROPPER a debut.Gazza isn't good enough.He was naive last season when he played and this season if anything he has gone backwards.should be loaned out to a lower division club in January to learn the rudiments of goalkeeping and in particular going for crosses and dominating his penalty area. CB FRY LIVES

5:52pm Sun 22 Dec 13

saint Compo says...

Rubbish performance with a rubbish defence. Hooiveld is a walking disaster. Fox little better. Why was Fonte on the bench? Only Lovren and Chambers were Premiership defenders today.

The midfield (apart from Lallana) made little effort. Shaw, Osvaldo and Ramirez all on the way out? Lambert can forget Rio.

Bottom 8 finish, not top 8 in prospect. End of the hype.

Merry Christmas, Spurs. Christmas should be cancelled in the Pochettino household!

What's going on at St Mary's?

Rant over. What a dreadful start to Saints fans' Christmas, though.

COYR
Rubbish performance with a rubbish defence. Hooiveld is a walking disaster. Fox little better. Why was Fonte on the bench? Only Lovren and Chambers were Premiership defenders today. The midfield (apart from Lallana) made little effort. Shaw, Osvaldo and Ramirez all on the way out? Lambert can forget Rio. Bottom 8 finish, not top 8 in prospect. End of the hype. Merry Christmas, Spurs. Christmas should be cancelled in the Pochettino household! What's going on at St Mary's? Rant over. What a dreadful start to Saints fans' Christmas, though. COYR saint Compo

5:59pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Clever Dick says...

hedge end bob wrote:
Our manager should be angry at himself!!. It is not the first time we have seen CHAMPIONSHIP PLAYERS taking too the field of play when we have first team players sat on the bench. If they are on the bench then they are fit enough to play some part of the game. Our non existant back four plus goal keeper looked like they had a bet on wth honest George that we would loose that game 3-2.
Surely it makes sense to start with your strongest team and try to have the game won and under control before you put your second choice players on. I am still 100% be Poochy but 2 points from 18 is relegation form not top six.
We do need players brought in in January as we saw today the squad we have will keep us in the PREMIERSHIP but, ONLY JUST. Attack me if you like but that's my honest opinion where are club stands today. We need Goal keeper , Left back Centre back at least.
Pretty much agree with that. Of the 3 games over the Christmas period this was the most winnable. Luke Shaw apparently has a sore throat but "tweeted" that he could have played. It's not Fox's fault but he was done for pace too many times. He'd have been better off putting Adebeyour into row z a couple of times. As for Gaza it's true he hasn't yet pulled off any great saves and he seemed very hesitant, not seeming to know whether to come for the ball or not.unfortunately the fact is the Spuds are nothing special,nowhere near C/League and we gifted them three soft goals with indecisive defending. Thought Chambers did OK again and got forward well early on. Morgan and Jack did well too ,but too many players not in the game. Adam did great with the goal and the assist for Ricky. I don't think we'd have lost with Luke at LB and if it's true he could have played then that one has to go down to the manager.
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: Our manager should be angry at himself!!. It is not the first time we have seen CHAMPIONSHIP PLAYERS taking too the field of play when we have first team players sat on the bench. If they are on the bench then they are fit enough to play some part of the game. Our non existant back four plus goal keeper looked like they had a bet on wth honest George that we would loose that game 3-2. Surely it makes sense to start with your strongest team and try to have the game won and under control before you put your second choice players on. I am still 100% be Poochy but 2 points from 18 is relegation form not top six. We do need players brought in in January as we saw today the squad we have will keep us in the PREMIERSHIP but, ONLY JUST. Attack me if you like but that's my honest opinion where are club stands today. We need Goal keeper , Left back Centre back at least.[/p][/quote]Pretty much agree with that. Of the 3 games over the Christmas period this was the most winnable. Luke Shaw apparently has a sore throat but "tweeted" that he could have played. It's not Fox's fault but he was done for pace too many times. He'd have been better off putting Adebeyour into row z a couple of times. As for Gaza it's true he hasn't yet pulled off any great saves and he seemed very hesitant, not seeming to know whether to come for the ball or not.unfortunately the fact is the Spuds are nothing special,nowhere near C/League and we gifted them three soft goals with indecisive defending. Thought Chambers did OK again and got forward well early on. Morgan and Jack did well too ,but too many players not in the game. Adam did great with the goal and the assist for Ricky. I don't think we'd have lost with Luke at LB and if it's true he could have played then that one has to go down to the manager. Clever Dick

6:00pm Sun 22 Dec 13

willygetaway says...

J.P.M... wrote:
That was painful to watch. Why didn't we play a keeper ?!!
your so right on this one . did he know he is aloud to use his hands ??
[quote][p][bold]J.P.M...[/bold] wrote: That was painful to watch. Why didn't we play a keeper ?!![/p][/quote]your so right on this one . did he know he is aloud to use his hands ?? willygetaway

6:08pm Sun 22 Dec 13

CB FRY LIVES says...

lowemustgo wrote:
Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league.
Get Fonte back in.
As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side?
We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales.
Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.
Agree about Adam and Chambers.Also it is time Cody Cropper is given a run out.If he isn't deemed good enough get in a top international keeper to challege a fit Boruc.It would seem that Kelvin Davies is now too injury prone and Gazza is not good enough at this level..
JOS H is not a premiership player to much of a liability.We need atop quality centre half to play alongside Lonvren.
I thought Danny Fox was ok but i would have prefered to see young Matt Targett.given a run out.
Ramirez was not very good when he came on.We could have done with a JASON PUNCHEON today to give us a bit of width.
What the hell has happened to LLOYD ISGROVE-Good enough to make the full Wales squad but not presently on MP'S radar.IS ISGROVE INJURED OR OUT ON LOAN or like Tadanari Lee has he been bannished to the backwoods with the likes of Lee Barnard.
The real joker in the pack is DANNI DEPP OSVALDO.What was the problem with him today.
Nice to see Sam Gallagher come on but lets face it Spurs are not Portsmouth Youth.
If we aren't going to stengthen up front in January-AND LETS FACE IT DESPITE HIS GREAT GOAL lambert LOOKED A WEE BIT JADED TODAY.
Is there chance though that BILLY SHARP wil be brought back in January-Personally Idoubt it.
Today for large chunks of the match SPURS looked like the home team.Last season in the corresponding match Nigel A. brought on MAYUKA from the bench and he terrorised Spurs in the latter half of the match.
To let both MAYUKA and PUNCHEON go out on full season loans is now looking like a bad decision
3POINTS AGAINST CARDIFF on BOXING DAY are now an imperative.
COYR.
[quote][p][bold]lowemustgo[/bold] wrote: Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league. Get Fonte back in. As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side? We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales. Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.[/p][/quote]Agree about Adam and Chambers.Also it is time Cody Cropper is given a run out.If he isn't deemed good enough get in a top international keeper to challege a fit Boruc.It would seem that Kelvin Davies is now too injury prone and Gazza is not good enough at this level.. JOS H is not a premiership player to much of a liability.We need atop quality centre half to play alongside Lonvren. I thought Danny Fox was ok but i would have prefered to see young Matt Targett.given a run out. Ramirez was not very good when he came on.We could have done with a JASON PUNCHEON today to give us a bit of width. What the hell has happened to LLOYD ISGROVE-Good enough to make the full Wales squad but not presently on MP'S radar.IS ISGROVE INJURED OR OUT ON LOAN or like Tadanari Lee has he been bannished to the backwoods with the likes of Lee Barnard. The real joker in the pack is DANNI DEPP OSVALDO.What was the problem with him today. Nice to see Sam Gallagher come on but lets face it Spurs are not Portsmouth Youth. If we aren't going to stengthen up front in January-AND LETS FACE IT DESPITE HIS GREAT GOAL lambert LOOKED A WEE BIT JADED TODAY. Is there chance though that BILLY SHARP wil be brought back in January-Personally Idoubt it. Today for large chunks of the match SPURS looked like the home team.Last season in the corresponding match Nigel A. brought on MAYUKA from the bench and he terrorised Spurs in the latter half of the match. To let both MAYUKA and PUNCHEON go out on full season loans is now looking like a bad decision 3POINTS AGAINST CARDIFF on BOXING DAY are now an imperative. COYR. CB FRY LIVES

6:24pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Totton Pete says...

A terrible performance by the the defence and keeper, but even a worse performance from the Manager. Got the selection wrong, the subs wrong,taking off the best two midfielders, and where was he when we were losing? Sat on the bench. A big learning curve for him which quite frankly he is failing badly at the moment.
A terrible performance by the the defence and keeper, but even a worse performance from the Manager. Got the selection wrong, the subs wrong,taking off the best two midfielders, and where was he when we were losing? Sat on the bench. A big learning curve for him which quite frankly he is failing badly at the moment. Totton Pete

6:25pm Sun 22 Dec 13

expatsaint says...

CB FRY LIVES wrote:
lowemustgo wrote: Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league. Get Fonte back in. As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side? We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales. Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.
Agree about Adam and Chambers.Also it is time Cody Cropper is given a run out.If he isn't deemed good enough get in a top international keeper to challege a fit Boruc.It would seem that Kelvin Davies is now too injury prone and Gazza is not good enough at this level.. JOS H is not a premiership player to much of a liability.We need atop quality centre half to play alongside Lonvren. I thought Danny Fox was ok but i would have prefered to see young Matt Targett.given a run out. Ramirez was not very good when he came on.We could have done with a JASON PUNCHEON today to give us a bit of width. What the hell has happened to LLOYD ISGROVE-Good enough to make the full Wales squad but not presently on MP'S radar.IS ISGROVE INJURED OR OUT ON LOAN or like Tadanari Lee has he been bannished to the backwoods with the likes of Lee Barnard. The real joker in the pack is DANNI DEPP OSVALDO.What was the problem with him today. Nice to see Sam Gallagher come on but lets face it Spurs are not Portsmouth Youth. If we aren't going to stengthen up front in January-AND LETS FACE IT DESPITE HIS GREAT GOAL lambert LOOKED A WEE BIT JADED TODAY. Is there chance though that BILLY SHARP wil be brought back in January-Personally Idoubt it. Today for large chunks of the match SPURS looked like the home team.Last season in the corresponding match Nigel A. brought on MAYUKA from the bench and he terrorised Spurs in the latter half of the match. To let both MAYUKA and PUNCHEON go out on full season loans is now looking like a bad decision 3POINTS AGAINST CARDIFF on BOXING DAY are now an imperative. COYR.
Good point about Puncheon but I guess there's history there. This performance and result simply confirms the fact that premiership success is all about squad strength and we still lack that. I thought Fox was OK but Hooiveld and Gazzaniga are, in my view, the major problems. Jos seems physically incapable of using his right foot (unless he is poking the ball into our net) and gets caught off balance and out of position as a result - see Newcastle's goal last week. The keeper must be replaced; he is anonymous, unassertive and inept. He has had so many chances under both NA and MP. And yes, apart from the tap-in I didn't see Ricky threaten on a single occasion - he seems to have lost his sparkle. Disappointing after the very fine performances against City and Newcastle.
[quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowemustgo[/bold] wrote: Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league. Get Fonte back in. As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side? We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales. Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.[/p][/quote]Agree about Adam and Chambers.Also it is time Cody Cropper is given a run out.If he isn't deemed good enough get in a top international keeper to challege a fit Boruc.It would seem that Kelvin Davies is now too injury prone and Gazza is not good enough at this level.. JOS H is not a premiership player to much of a liability.We need atop quality centre half to play alongside Lonvren. I thought Danny Fox was ok but i would have prefered to see young Matt Targett.given a run out. Ramirez was not very good when he came on.We could have done with a JASON PUNCHEON today to give us a bit of width. What the hell has happened to LLOYD ISGROVE-Good enough to make the full Wales squad but not presently on MP'S radar.IS ISGROVE INJURED OR OUT ON LOAN or like Tadanari Lee has he been bannished to the backwoods with the likes of Lee Barnard. The real joker in the pack is DANNI DEPP OSVALDO.What was the problem with him today. Nice to see Sam Gallagher come on but lets face it Spurs are not Portsmouth Youth. If we aren't going to stengthen up front in January-AND LETS FACE IT DESPITE HIS GREAT GOAL lambert LOOKED A WEE BIT JADED TODAY. Is there chance though that BILLY SHARP wil be brought back in January-Personally Idoubt it. Today for large chunks of the match SPURS looked like the home team.Last season in the corresponding match Nigel A. brought on MAYUKA from the bench and he terrorised Spurs in the latter half of the match. To let both MAYUKA and PUNCHEON go out on full season loans is now looking like a bad decision 3POINTS AGAINST CARDIFF on BOXING DAY are now an imperative. COYR.[/p][/quote]Good point about Puncheon but I guess there's history there. This performance and result simply confirms the fact that premiership success is all about squad strength and we still lack that. I thought Fox was OK but Hooiveld and Gazzaniga are, in my view, the major problems. Jos seems physically incapable of using his right foot (unless he is poking the ball into our net) and gets caught off balance and out of position as a result - see Newcastle's goal last week. The keeper must be replaced; he is anonymous, unassertive and inept. He has had so many chances under both NA and MP. And yes, apart from the tap-in I didn't see Ricky threaten on a single occasion - he seems to have lost his sparkle. Disappointing after the very fine performances against City and Newcastle. expatsaint

6:26pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Norwegian Saint says...

Gazza
Vs Villa 3 shots on target 3 goals.
Vs Man C 3 shots on target 1 goal.
Vs N'castle 3 shots 1 goal.
Vs Spurs 3 shots 3 goals.

12 shots on target, 8 goals.

Hoover
Vs N'castle 1 mistake 1 goal.
Vs Spurs 3 mistakes 3 goals.

Fox
Why? Just... Why? Who plays left back for the U-18s? Give the lad a go, he can't be any worse!
Also...Scottish people are crap at football.
Gazza Vs Villa 3 shots on target 3 goals. Vs Man C 3 shots on target 1 goal. Vs N'castle 3 shots 1 goal. Vs Spurs 3 shots 3 goals. 12 shots on target, 8 goals. Hoover Vs N'castle 1 mistake 1 goal. Vs Spurs 3 mistakes 3 goals. Fox Why? Just... Why? Who plays left back for the U-18s? Give the lad a go, he can't be any worse! Also...Scottish people are crap at football. Norwegian Saint

6:51pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Southampton boy says...

lowemustgo wrote:
Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league.
Get Fonte back in.
As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side?
We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales.
Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.
You are so right
[quote][p][bold]lowemustgo[/bold] wrote: Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league. Get Fonte back in. As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side? We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales. Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.[/p][/quote]You are so right Southampton boy

6:52pm Sun 22 Dec 13

REDARMYRULETHESOUTH says...

Norwegian Saint wrote:
Gazza
Vs Villa 3 shots on target 3 goals.
Vs Man C 3 shots on target 1 goal.
Vs N'castle 3 shots 1 goal.
Vs Spurs 3 shots 3 goals.

12 shots on target, 8 goals.

Hoover
Vs N'castle 1 mistake 1 goal.
Vs Spurs 3 mistakes 3 goals.

Fox
Why? Just... Why? Who plays left back for the U-18s? Give the lad a go, he can't be any worse!
Also...Scottish people are crap at football.
WAKE UP MAURICIO !!

YOU'RE RIGHT and all the Saints Fans in the Pub after the match would agree with you.

Before the match - there was a huge groan when the TEAM SELECTION came through on the i phone.

HOOVER and DANNY FOX SHOULD NOT PUT ON A SAINTS SHIRT AGAIN.
THEY ARE NOWHERE NEAR GOOD ENOUGH AT THIS LEVEL and leak goals galore. (Always !!)

Fans have asked for Gazza to be given a chance. HE IS CLEARLY NOT GOOD ENOUGH AT THIS LEVEL. Kelvin is also not good enough - but is better than GAZZA and a good shot stopper.

THE BEST DEFENSIVE PAIRINGS ARE : Lovren and Fonte with Artur in goal and Shaw and Clyne.

TODAY WE GIFTED GOALS !!

Articles which tell you that Saints have depth to their Squad are talking b*****
WE HAVE NUMBERS - BUT NOT THE QUALITY IN DEPTH.

I AM TRAVELLING TO CARDIFF AWAY - MP - SORT THE TEAM SELECTION AND GET FONTE AND SHAW BACK NOW !!

Also this rubbish by the Daily Echo of having a thumbs UP and DOWN Forum means Pompey and other Team Fans can distort the numbers and it becomes a popularity contest rather than good honest posting.

NO MORE HOOVER - FOX EVER !! AND DROP GAZZA !!

SPURS were there for the taking today !! We will never be able to outscore their mistakes.

COYR
[quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: Gazza Vs Villa 3 shots on target 3 goals. Vs Man C 3 shots on target 1 goal. Vs N'castle 3 shots 1 goal. Vs Spurs 3 shots 3 goals. 12 shots on target, 8 goals. Hoover Vs N'castle 1 mistake 1 goal. Vs Spurs 3 mistakes 3 goals. Fox Why? Just... Why? Who plays left back for the U-18s? Give the lad a go, he can't be any worse! Also...Scottish people are crap at football.[/p][/quote]WAKE UP MAURICIO !! YOU'RE RIGHT and all the Saints Fans in the Pub after the match would agree with you. Before the match - there was a huge groan when the TEAM SELECTION came through on the i phone. HOOVER and DANNY FOX SHOULD NOT PUT ON A SAINTS SHIRT AGAIN. THEY ARE NOWHERE NEAR GOOD ENOUGH AT THIS LEVEL and leak goals galore. (Always !!) Fans have asked for Gazza to be given a chance. HE IS CLEARLY NOT GOOD ENOUGH AT THIS LEVEL. Kelvin is also not good enough - but is better than GAZZA and a good shot stopper. THE BEST DEFENSIVE PAIRINGS ARE : Lovren and Fonte with Artur in goal and Shaw and Clyne. TODAY WE GIFTED GOALS !! Articles which tell you that Saints have depth to their Squad are talking b***** WE HAVE NUMBERS - BUT NOT THE QUALITY IN DEPTH. I AM TRAVELLING TO CARDIFF AWAY - MP - SORT THE TEAM SELECTION AND GET FONTE AND SHAW BACK NOW !! Also this rubbish by the Daily Echo of having a thumbs UP and DOWN Forum means Pompey and other Team Fans can distort the numbers and it becomes a popularity contest rather than good honest posting. NO MORE HOOVER - FOX EVER !! AND DROP GAZZA !! SPURS were there for the taking today !! We will never be able to outscore their mistakes. COYR REDARMYRULETHESOUTH

6:52pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Epsom Saint says...

I agree with many of the comments on here tonight - the side is definitely weaker with Fox and Hooiveld in it, but maybe MoPo had one eye on the fixture congestion over the next week or two? I'm no goalkeeping expert, but I didn't think Gazza was at fault for any of the goals - I'd be interested to hear what others think. I also think that Lambert had a poor game today, despite his goal. I don't agree that Spurs are a poor side - I think they played well and in keeping with the depth and quality of their squad.
I would have taken mid table at the beginning of the season but I still think we can do better with another quality CB and maybe a pacy striker.
I agree with many of the comments on here tonight - the side is definitely weaker with Fox and Hooiveld in it, but maybe MoPo had one eye on the fixture congestion over the next week or two? I'm no goalkeeping expert, but I didn't think Gazza was at fault for any of the goals - I'd be interested to hear what others think. I also think that Lambert had a poor game today, despite his goal. I don't agree that Spurs are a poor side - I think they played well and in keeping with the depth and quality of their squad. I would have taken mid table at the beginning of the season but I still think we can do better with another quality CB and maybe a pacy striker. Epsom Saint

6:53pm Sun 22 Dec 13

REDARMYRULETHESOUTH says...

Southampton boy wrote:
lowemustgo wrote:
Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league.
Get Fonte back in.
As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side?
We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales.
Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.
You are so right
AGREE.

COYS !!
[quote][p][bold]Southampton boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowemustgo[/bold] wrote: Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league. Get Fonte back in. As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side? We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales. Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.[/p][/quote]You are so right[/p][/quote]AGREE. COYS !! REDARMYRULETHESOUTH

6:56pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Simmo13 says...

I went to the Leeds v Barnsley game yesterday and witnessed an outstanding Jack Butland play for Barnsley how on earth did we not get him ?
Today I sat in my seat in total shock watching a keeper who is supposed to be PL standard well all I can say is MP must see something in this liability that supporters are missing and when he makes the comments that "we dressed up like Santa Clause and gifted them" he is correct he did because that selection was completely wrong and it's relegation form at the moment no matter what the know alls get on here and say ?
I went to the Leeds v Barnsley game yesterday and witnessed an outstanding Jack Butland play for Barnsley how on earth did we not get him ? Today I sat in my seat in total shock watching a keeper who is supposed to be PL standard well all I can say is MP must see something in this liability that supporters are missing and when he makes the comments that "we dressed up like Santa Clause and gifted them" he is correct he did because that selection was completely wrong and it's relegation form at the moment no matter what the know alls get on here and say ? Simmo13

6:58pm Sun 22 Dec 13

REDARMYRULETHESOUTH says...

rossofficial10 wrote:
johnlennonar wrote:
lowemustgo wrote:
Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league.
Get Fonte back in.
As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side?
We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales.
Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.
L. Shaw, J. Fonte and A. Boruc are all out injured, so what do you expect you prat? Bring Fonte back injured? What a completely stupid comment HAHAHA LOL
i agree with the original post, fonte isnt injured! looks like poch just prefers hooiveld, and he is the only one on the planet who likes hooiveld.

realistic saints fans will agree that we need cover for shaw, also need another centre half in the louvren mould. also a pacey winger wouldnt go a miss to mix things up, Puncheon was good at being a Plan B.

Poch team selections are costing us dearly im afraid, Adkins again!

If we are serious about getting a European spot, we need a solid defence cos everthing else is pretty much sorted.

A good goalkeeper in the Jan window is a must as everytime a team attacks us they look like their going to score! cringeworthy
AGREE. COYR
[quote][p][bold]rossofficial10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnlennonar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowemustgo[/bold] wrote: Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league. Get Fonte back in. As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side? We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales. Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.[/p][/quote]L. Shaw, J. Fonte and A. Boruc are all out injured, so what do you expect you prat? Bring Fonte back injured? What a completely stupid comment HAHAHA LOL[/p][/quote]i agree with the original post, fonte isnt injured! looks like poch just prefers hooiveld, and he is the only one on the planet who likes hooiveld. realistic saints fans will agree that we need cover for shaw, also need another centre half in the louvren mould. also a pacey winger wouldnt go a miss to mix things up, Puncheon was good at being a Plan B. Poch team selections are costing us dearly im afraid, Adkins again! If we are serious about getting a European spot, we need a solid defence cos everthing else is pretty much sorted. A good goalkeeper in the Jan window is a must as everytime a team attacks us they look like their going to score! cringeworthy[/p][/quote]AGREE. COYR REDARMYRULETHESOUTH

6:58pm Sun 22 Dec 13

angus mc coatup says...

It gives me great comfort to know, that if pochy goes to Spurs or NC gives him the boot. there is no shortage of people that are more qualified, and know so much more about the squad... and the inner workings of the club that we wouldn't even know he'd gone.
It gives me great comfort to know, that if pochy goes to Spurs or NC gives him the boot. there is no shortage of people that are more qualified, and know so much more about the squad... and the inner workings of the club that we wouldn't even know he'd gone. angus mc coatup

6:59pm Sun 22 Dec 13

REDARMYRULETHESOUTH says...

Saint 2701 wrote:
Well you will play Hooiveld and Fox together Poch!! What did you expect!!!

New GK, CB and LB.needed immediately!

#hooiveldyoudonkey
SPOT ON WITH THIS POST !!

COYR
[quote][p][bold]Saint 2701[/bold] wrote: Well you will play Hooiveld and Fox together Poch!! What did you expect!!! New GK, CB and LB.needed immediately! #hooiveldyoudonkey[/p][/quote]SPOT ON WITH THIS POST !! COYR REDARMYRULETHESOUTH

7:00pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Simmo13 says...

Epsom Saint wrote:
I agree with many of the comments on here tonight - the side is definitely weaker with Fox and Hooiveld in it, but maybe MoPo had one eye on the fixture congestion over the next week or two? I'm no goalkeeping expert, but I didn't think Gazza was at fault for any of the goals - I'd be interested to hear what others think. I also think that Lambert had a poor game today, despite his goal. I don't agree that Spurs are a poor side - I think they played well and in keeping with the depth and quality of their squad.
I would have taken mid table at the beginning of the season but I still think we can do better with another quality CB and maybe a pacy striker.
And a goalkeeper please !or at least decent backup !!
[quote][p][bold]Epsom Saint[/bold] wrote: I agree with many of the comments on here tonight - the side is definitely weaker with Fox and Hooiveld in it, but maybe MoPo had one eye on the fixture congestion over the next week or two? I'm no goalkeeping expert, but I didn't think Gazza was at fault for any of the goals - I'd be interested to hear what others think. I also think that Lambert had a poor game today, despite his goal. I don't agree that Spurs are a poor side - I think they played well and in keeping with the depth and quality of their squad. I would have taken mid table at the beginning of the season but I still think we can do better with another quality CB and maybe a pacy striker.[/p][/quote]And a goalkeeper please !or at least decent backup !! Simmo13

7:06pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Shrewdsaint says...

Sell Gaston buy Agger.
Sell Gaston buy Agger. Shrewdsaint

7:06pm Sun 22 Dec 13

REDARMYRULETHESOUTH says...

Totton Pete wrote:
A terrible performance by the the defence and keeper, but even a worse performance from the Manager. Got the selection wrong, the subs wrong,taking off the best two midfielders, and where was he when we were losing? Sat on the bench. A big learning curve for him which quite frankly he is failing badly at the moment.
Defensive Pairing of FOX and HOOVER. A keeper without the experience or ability to stop shots and goals and POOR TEAM SELECTION.

That is the HEART OF THE PROBLEM.

FAN POWER - and Goals by ADAM and RICKIE - cannot undo the mess by the above.

RIckie is not on TOP FORM - yet still manages to score.

WHAT DOES THE MANAGER SEE - THAT THE FANS DON'T WITH HOOVER AND FOX. BOTH NOWHERE NEAR GOOD ENOUGH

COYS
[quote][p][bold]Totton Pete[/bold] wrote: A terrible performance by the the defence and keeper, but even a worse performance from the Manager. Got the selection wrong, the subs wrong,taking off the best two midfielders, and where was he when we were losing? Sat on the bench. A big learning curve for him which quite frankly he is failing badly at the moment.[/p][/quote]Defensive Pairing of FOX and HOOVER. A keeper without the experience or ability to stop shots and goals and POOR TEAM SELECTION. That is the HEART OF THE PROBLEM. FAN POWER - and Goals by ADAM and RICKIE - cannot undo the mess by the above. RIckie is not on TOP FORM - yet still manages to score. WHAT DOES THE MANAGER SEE - THAT THE FANS DON'T WITH HOOVER AND FOX. BOTH NOWHERE NEAR GOOD ENOUGH COYS REDARMYRULETHESOUTH

7:08pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Simmo13 says...

Tony in Liberia wrote:
Come on - the only reason Poch would pay Hooveild & Fox together is that he has no choice; we all know our best defense, but 4 out of the 5 are injured, so we couldn't play them.

And as I've said before, no top-class guy will come in to replace Fox just to be the understudy to Luke. It looks like Taggart will be the back-up, but he's obviously not quite ready, or else Fox wouldn't be playing.

Poch knows Hooveild isn't prem quality, but again, who else? I said I was against bringing in players in the window but now I'd take someone like Micah Richards on loan for the season, have Fonte as back-up and ship out Hooveild to anyone who will have him. But that;s because I want our academy kids to come through to take over.

Now, if the price of that is a season in the mid-prem, and building a bit more slowly than those who want us to buy a team (on a capacity of 32,000?) that can get into the top 4 now, then I'll be happy with that. As long as I can see that we are going the right way I'm happy, and there's bound to be knocks along the way. But also, remember this - our BEST EVER prem finish is 8th, and that's well within reach, so come on - this is still a great season! Let's not get negative, that's the kind of thing that just grows.

If I was 2 points above the Conference, with a manager whose just publicly told his payers they are all cr&p, then I'd be worried, but we're not, so let's stay positive!
Personally I'm not bloody worried about where poopy are it's my team I worry about !!!
[quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: Come on - the only reason Poch would pay Hooveild & Fox together is that he has no choice; we all know our best defense, but 4 out of the 5 are injured, so we couldn't play them. And as I've said before, no top-class guy will come in to replace Fox just to be the understudy to Luke. It looks like Taggart will be the back-up, but he's obviously not quite ready, or else Fox wouldn't be playing. Poch knows Hooveild isn't prem quality, but again, who else? I said I was against bringing in players in the window but now I'd take someone like Micah Richards on loan for the season, have Fonte as back-up and ship out Hooveild to anyone who will have him. But that;s because I want our academy kids to come through to take over. Now, if the price of that is a season in the mid-prem, and building a bit more slowly than those who want us to buy a team (on a capacity of 32,000?) that can get into the top 4 now, then I'll be happy with that. As long as I can see that we are going the right way I'm happy, and there's bound to be knocks along the way. But also, remember this - our BEST EVER prem finish is 8th, and that's well within reach, so come on - this is still a great season! Let's not get negative, that's the kind of thing that just grows. If I was 2 points above the Conference, with a manager whose just publicly told his payers they are all cr&p, then I'd be worried, but we're not, so let's stay positive![/p][/quote]Personally I'm not bloody worried about where poopy are it's my team I worry about !!! Simmo13

7:10pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Swissowned says...

Epsom Saint wrote:
I agree with many of the comments on here tonight - the side is definitely weaker with Fox and Hooiveld in it, but maybe MoPo had one eye on the fixture congestion over the next week or two? I'm no goalkeeping expert, but I didn't think Gazza was at fault for any of the goals - I'd be interested to hear what others think. I also think that Lambert had a poor game today, despite his goal. I don't agree that Spurs are a poor side - I think they played well and in keeping with the depth and quality of their squad.
I would have taken mid table at the beginning of the season but I still think we can do better with another quality CB and maybe a pacy striker.
He's indecisive and has no air of urgency about him. He won't come out to smother the ball and leaks too many goals.
I think the first goal he should have come out to claim the cross or at least get something on it. Instead he just floundered around on the line hoping it wasn't on target.
The second goal looked to me like he turned the ball onto Hoover but I'd have to see it again. Maybe he couldn't do much about the third. It was a defensive error.

But let's not forget the one on one chance adebayor had with him. Yes he saved it but he certainly didn't know anything about the save. The point is he started to come out to claim the ball then changed his mind and backed off. If he'd come out he would easily have got there. And THAT is why everyone at that end of the ground berated him at that point!

Nothing else has to be said. He's a poor keeper at the moment and done nothing to warrant keeping his place. If any other keepers in the club are fit then he needs to be dropped. And come the January transfer window another backup keeper needs to be brought in as a priority whether loan or permanent.
[quote][p][bold]Epsom Saint[/bold] wrote: I agree with many of the comments on here tonight - the side is definitely weaker with Fox and Hooiveld in it, but maybe MoPo had one eye on the fixture congestion over the next week or two? I'm no goalkeeping expert, but I didn't think Gazza was at fault for any of the goals - I'd be interested to hear what others think. I also think that Lambert had a poor game today, despite his goal. I don't agree that Spurs are a poor side - I think they played well and in keeping with the depth and quality of their squad. I would have taken mid table at the beginning of the season but I still think we can do better with another quality CB and maybe a pacy striker.[/p][/quote]He's indecisive and has no air of urgency about him. He won't come out to smother the ball and leaks too many goals. I think the first goal he should have come out to claim the cross or at least get something on it. Instead he just floundered around on the line hoping it wasn't on target. The second goal looked to me like he turned the ball onto Hoover but I'd have to see it again. Maybe he couldn't do much about the third. It was a defensive error. But let's not forget the one on one chance adebayor had with him. Yes he saved it but he certainly didn't know anything about the save. The point is he started to come out to claim the ball then changed his mind and backed off. If he'd come out he would easily have got there. And THAT is why everyone at that end of the ground berated him at that point! Nothing else has to be said. He's a poor keeper at the moment and done nothing to warrant keeping his place. If any other keepers in the club are fit then he needs to be dropped. And come the January transfer window another backup keeper needs to be brought in as a priority whether loan or permanent. Swissowned

7:15pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Smith187 says...

Fox can't defend at all. Hoover makes too many silly mistakes. Fonte should of played and maybe have cork at right back and chambers left back would of been better than playing fox.
Fox can't defend at all. Hoover makes too many silly mistakes. Fonte should of played and maybe have cork at right back and chambers left back would of been better than playing fox. Smith187

7:15pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Clever Dick says...

Epsom Saint wrote:
I agree with many of the comments on here tonight - the side is definitely weaker with Fox and Hooiveld in it, but maybe MoPo had one eye on the fixture congestion over the next week or two? I'm no goalkeeping expert, but I didn't think Gazza was at fault for any of the goals - I'd be interested to hear what others think. I also think that Lambert had a poor game today, despite his goal. I don't agree that Spurs are a poor side - I think they played well and in keeping with the depth and quality of their squad.
I would have taken mid table at the beginning of the season but I still think we can do better with another quality CB and maybe a pacy striker.
The point people are making is that he isn't pulling off the saves. While he may not have made glaring errors, he needs to keep the ball out of the net. Today he could have got to the ball before Adebeyour and who knows how the game would have gone then.
[quote][p][bold]Epsom Saint[/bold] wrote: I agree with many of the comments on here tonight - the side is definitely weaker with Fox and Hooiveld in it, but maybe MoPo had one eye on the fixture congestion over the next week or two? I'm no goalkeeping expert, but I didn't think Gazza was at fault for any of the goals - I'd be interested to hear what others think. I also think that Lambert had a poor game today, despite his goal. I don't agree that Spurs are a poor side - I think they played well and in keeping with the depth and quality of their squad. I would have taken mid table at the beginning of the season but I still think we can do better with another quality CB and maybe a pacy striker.[/p][/quote]The point people are making is that he isn't pulling off the saves. While he may not have made glaring errors, he needs to keep the ball out of the net. Today he could have got to the ball before Adebeyour and who knows how the game would have gone then. Clever Dick

7:28pm Sun 22 Dec 13

ctsaint says...

Tony in Liberia wrote:
Come on - the only reason Poch would pay Hooveild & Fox together is that he has no choice; we all know our best defense, but 4 out of the 5 are injured, so we couldn't play them.

And as I've said before, no top-class guy will come in to replace Fox just to be the understudy to Luke. It looks like Taggart will be the back-up, but he's obviously not quite ready, or else Fox wouldn't be playing.

Poch knows Hooveild isn't prem quality, but again, who else? I said I was against bringing in players in the window but now I'd take someone like Micah Richards on loan for the season, have Fonte as back-up and ship out Hooveild to anyone who will have him. But that;s because I want our academy kids to come through to take over.

Now, if the price of that is a season in the mid-prem, and building a bit more slowly than those who want us to buy a team (on a capacity of 32,000?) that can get into the top 4 now, then I'll be happy with that. As long as I can see that we are going the right way I'm happy, and there's bound to be knocks along the way. But also, remember this - our BEST EVER prem finish is 8th, and that's well within reach, so come on - this is still a great season! Let's not get negative, that's the kind of thing that just grows.

If I was 2 points above the Conference, with a manager whose just publicly told his payers they are all cr&p, then I'd be worried, but we're not, so let's stay positive!
Agree with all of that. We have both Clyne and Chambers to cover for Luke as well as Cork to fill in at Right back, JWP did t look bad there as a makeshift option either. I do think another top class CB is needed as when Fonte is injured I am not so sure about Hoover or Maya. That said the number of defensive players injured if you include Victor would test any squad.

I thought going forward we looked good, Lallana was mustard, Rickie and JR looked jaded , Cork and Scheindlin also played very well, I thought Ramirez did well when he came on, it could be argued be needs more game time.

We need a keeper and a centre back . KD v old and Gazza not good enough , I watch all the games live on TV or web and he is useless at crosses , bad positioning for shots , can't see what potential he shows.

On a positive note wild have taken 10th at Xmas at the start of the season!

Up the medical team ! In NC and MOpo we trust !
[quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: Come on - the only reason Poch would pay Hooveild & Fox together is that he has no choice; we all know our best defense, but 4 out of the 5 are injured, so we couldn't play them. And as I've said before, no top-class guy will come in to replace Fox just to be the understudy to Luke. It looks like Taggart will be the back-up, but he's obviously not quite ready, or else Fox wouldn't be playing. Poch knows Hooveild isn't prem quality, but again, who else? I said I was against bringing in players in the window but now I'd take someone like Micah Richards on loan for the season, have Fonte as back-up and ship out Hooveild to anyone who will have him. But that;s because I want our academy kids to come through to take over. Now, if the price of that is a season in the mid-prem, and building a bit more slowly than those who want us to buy a team (on a capacity of 32,000?) that can get into the top 4 now, then I'll be happy with that. As long as I can see that we are going the right way I'm happy, and there's bound to be knocks along the way. But also, remember this - our BEST EVER prem finish is 8th, and that's well within reach, so come on - this is still a great season! Let's not get negative, that's the kind of thing that just grows. If I was 2 points above the Conference, with a manager whose just publicly told his payers they are all cr&p, then I'd be worried, but we're not, so let's stay positive![/p][/quote]Agree with all of that. We have both Clyne and Chambers to cover for Luke as well as Cork to fill in at Right back, JWP did t look bad there as a makeshift option either. I do think another top class CB is needed as when Fonte is injured I am not so sure about Hoover or Maya. That said the number of defensive players injured if you include Victor would test any squad. I thought going forward we looked good, Lallana was mustard, Rickie and JR looked jaded , Cork and Scheindlin also played very well, I thought Ramirez did well when he came on, it could be argued be needs more game time. We need a keeper and a centre back . KD v old and Gazza not good enough , I watch all the games live on TV or web and he is useless at crosses , bad positioning for shots , can't see what potential he shows. On a positive note wild have taken 10th at Xmas at the start of the season! Up the medical team ! In NC and MOpo we trust ! ctsaint

7:43pm Sun 22 Dec 13

ctsaint says...

Epsom Saint wrote:
I agree with many of the comments on here tonight - the side is definitely weaker with Fox and Hooiveld in it, but maybe MoPo had one eye on the fixture congestion over the next week or two? I'm no goalkeeping expert, but I didn't think Gazza was at fault for any of the goals - I'd be interested to hear what others think. I also think that Lambert had a poor game today, despite his goal. I don't agree that Spurs are a poor side - I think they played well and in keeping with the depth and quality of their squad.
I would have taken mid table at the beginning of the season but I still think we can do better with another quality CB and maybe a pacy striker.
Hi , my opinion , the cross for the first goal was I. The 6 yard box and came from the byline , he should have made it his, it was at him and his reflexes didn't even save him.......the second goal ditto 6 yard box and he flapped on the ground .......third goal was a good finish but be was not in th bet starting position, he simply is not good enough.
[quote][p][bold]Epsom Saint[/bold] wrote: I agree with many of the comments on here tonight - the side is definitely weaker with Fox and Hooiveld in it, but maybe MoPo had one eye on the fixture congestion over the next week or two? I'm no goalkeeping expert, but I didn't think Gazza was at fault for any of the goals - I'd be interested to hear what others think. I also think that Lambert had a poor game today, despite his goal. I don't agree that Spurs are a poor side - I think they played well and in keeping with the depth and quality of their squad. I would have taken mid table at the beginning of the season but I still think we can do better with another quality CB and maybe a pacy striker.[/p][/quote]Hi , my opinion , the cross for the first goal was I. The 6 yard box and came from the byline , he should have made it his, it was at him and his reflexes didn't even save him.......the second goal ditto 6 yard box and he flapped on the ground .......third goal was a good finish but be was not in th bet starting position, he simply is not good enough. ctsaint

7:47pm Sun 22 Dec 13

ghk230473 says...

Fox is shocking, must be the luckiest bloke alive to be playing for saints... Wouldn't get in my Sunday team!
Mopo has to take some blame, Ramirez and jwp on bench? If rather played 3 at the back than fox, pack out the midfield or play 3 up top.
We need another centre half who can play full back. Ramirez needs more game time too, he's better than osvaldo
Fox is shocking, must be the luckiest bloke alive to be playing for saints... Wouldn't get in my Sunday team! Mopo has to take some blame, Ramirez and jwp on bench? If rather played 3 at the back than fox, pack out the midfield or play 3 up top. We need another centre half who can play full back. Ramirez needs more game time too, he's better than osvaldo ghk230473

7:50pm Sun 22 Dec 13

IanRC5 says...

lowemustgo wrote:
Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league.
Get Fonte back in.
As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side?
We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales.
Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.
Agree entirely. A complete shambles by the manager and the Gazzinga, Fox, Hooiveld threesome. Should have murdered Spurs today. What was the keeper thinking not coming for some of those crosses, pathetic display
[quote][p][bold]lowemustgo[/bold] wrote: Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league. Get Fonte back in. As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side? We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales. Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.[/p][/quote]Agree entirely. A complete shambles by the manager and the Gazzinga, Fox, Hooiveld threesome. Should have murdered Spurs today. What was the keeper thinking not coming for some of those crosses, pathetic display IanRC5

7:51pm Sun 22 Dec 13

IanRC5 says...

johnlennonar wrote:
lowemustgo wrote:
Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league.
Get Fonte back in.
As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side?
We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales.
Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.
L. Shaw, J. Fonte and A. Boruc are all out injured, so what do you expect you prat? Bring Fonte back injured? What a completely stupid comment HAHAHA LOL
If he was injured why was he on the bench .... Again
[quote][p][bold]johnlennonar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowemustgo[/bold] wrote: Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league. Get Fonte back in. As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side? We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales. Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.[/p][/quote]L. Shaw, J. Fonte and A. Boruc are all out injured, so what do you expect you prat? Bring Fonte back injured? What a completely stupid comment HAHAHA LOL[/p][/quote]If he was injured why was he on the bench .... Again IanRC5

8:06pm Sun 22 Dec 13

johnlennonar says...

Southampton had 3 defenders (N.Clyne,L.Shaw & Fonte), 1 defensive midfielder (V.Wanyama) injured and D. Osvaldo banned, so with all the money Spuds spent a victory was expected. Just wait until you play Southampton at full strength, it will be a different story believe me.

Plus our 1st 2 goalkeepers injured as well so congrats Spuds you beat our 2nd team HAHAHA LOL
Southampton had 3 defenders (N.Clyne,L.Shaw & Fonte), 1 defensive midfielder (V.Wanyama) injured and D. Osvaldo banned, so with all the money Spuds spent a victory was expected. Just wait until you play Southampton at full strength, it will be a different story believe me. Plus our 1st 2 goalkeepers injured as well so congrats Spuds you beat our 2nd team HAHAHA LOL johnlennonar

8:10pm Sun 22 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Could be Onemorecardand Iamsuspendedia.
Could be Onemorecardand Iamsuspendedia. OSPREYSAINT

8:10pm Sun 22 Dec 13

iow-is-red-and-white says...

johnlennonar wrote:
lowemustgo wrote:
Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league.
Get Fonte back in.
As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side?
We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales.
Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.
L. Shaw, J. Fonte and A. Boruc are all out injured, so what do you expect you prat? Bring Fonte back injured? What a completely stupid comment HAHAHA LOL
Fonte was fit enough for the bench so is not injured, posting in capitals is not clever, only one prat...
[quote][p][bold]johnlennonar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowemustgo[/bold] wrote: Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league. Get Fonte back in. As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side? We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales. Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.[/p][/quote]L. Shaw, J. Fonte and A. Boruc are all out injured, so what do you expect you prat? Bring Fonte back injured? What a completely stupid comment HAHAHA LOL[/p][/quote]Fonte was fit enough for the bench so is not injured, posting in capitals is not clever, only one prat... iow-is-red-and-white

8:15pm Sun 22 Dec 13

johnlennonar says...

rossofficial10 wrote:
johnlennonar wrote:
lowemustgo wrote:
Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league.
Get Fonte back in.
As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side?
We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales.
Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.
L. Shaw, J. Fonte and A. Boruc are all out injured, so what do you expect you prat? Bring Fonte back injured? What a completely stupid comment HAHAHA LOL
i agree with the original post, fonte isnt injured! looks like poch just prefers hooiveld, and he is the only one on the planet who likes hooiveld.

realistic saints fans will agree that we need cover for shaw, also need another centre half in the louvren mould. also a pacey winger wouldnt go a miss to mix things up, Puncheon was good at being a Plan B.

Poch team selections are costing us dearly im afraid, Adkins again!

If we are serious about getting a European spot, we need a solid defence cos everthing else is pretty much sorted.

A good goalkeeper in the Jan window is a must as everytime a team attacks us they look like their going to score! cringeworthy
Fonte has a knock thats why he didn't start :-( Hooiveld wasn't watching the ball for the 1st goal, just concentrating on the player and had no idea were the ball was and the own goal was just silly :-( We must buy more cover at the back asap
[quote][p][bold]rossofficial10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnlennonar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowemustgo[/bold] wrote: Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league. Get Fonte back in. As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side? We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales. Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.[/p][/quote]L. Shaw, J. Fonte and A. Boruc are all out injured, so what do you expect you prat? Bring Fonte back injured? What a completely stupid comment HAHAHA LOL[/p][/quote]i agree with the original post, fonte isnt injured! looks like poch just prefers hooiveld, and he is the only one on the planet who likes hooiveld. realistic saints fans will agree that we need cover for shaw, also need another centre half in the louvren mould. also a pacey winger wouldnt go a miss to mix things up, Puncheon was good at being a Plan B. Poch team selections are costing us dearly im afraid, Adkins again! If we are serious about getting a European spot, we need a solid defence cos everthing else is pretty much sorted. A good goalkeeper in the Jan window is a must as everytime a team attacks us they look like their going to score! cringeworthy[/p][/quote]Fonte has a knock thats why he didn't start :-( Hooiveld wasn't watching the ball for the 1st goal, just concentrating on the player and had no idea were the ball was and the own goal was just silly :-( We must buy more cover at the back asap johnlennonar

8:15pm Sun 22 Dec 13

mack chinnon says...

We need a new ground.
We need a new ground. mack chinnon

8:20pm Sun 22 Dec 13

JohnItaly says...

2 points from 18 could very easily become 2 points from 24. Cardiff will not be easy. The players will be right behind Malky Mackay and undoubtedly will play their hearts out for him. Do not expect much change from Everton and Chelsea will relish playing Saints if they lose against Cardiff & Everton. Should that nightmare situation evolve then it has to be said that with many clubs questions would undoubtedly be raised about the manager's position. Drastic times require drastic measures. Reading between the lines of the posts throughout the season there has been a underlying concern that once injuries hit - particularly in defence - back-up was not of sufficient calibre. Unfortunately events have proven those concerns to be justified. It did not take any great intellect to reason once the defence started leaking goals the team would hit hard times as despite (according to the statistics) Saints topping the league in terms of possession and high also in number of shots our number of goals is sadly lacking. This, to me, suggests we lack a natural goal poacher, somebody who sniffs out half chances. I posted recently that if results go against us in the next 3 / 4 games then NC & MO will have to re-think their ideas (assuming that what MO said about January transfers was indeed correct) and look at signings in January. The next few weeks will, I think, be very interesting.
2 points from 18 could very easily become 2 points from 24. Cardiff will not be easy. The players will be right behind Malky Mackay and undoubtedly will play their hearts out for him. Do not expect much change from Everton and Chelsea will relish playing Saints if they lose against Cardiff & Everton. Should that nightmare situation evolve then it has to be said that with many clubs questions would undoubtedly be raised about the manager's position. Drastic times require drastic measures. Reading between the lines of the posts throughout the season there has been a underlying concern that once injuries hit - particularly in defence - back-up was not of sufficient calibre. Unfortunately events have proven those concerns to be justified. It did not take any great intellect to reason once the defence started leaking goals the team would hit hard times as despite (according to the statistics) Saints topping the league in terms of possession and high also in number of shots our number of goals is sadly lacking. This, to me, suggests we lack a natural goal poacher, somebody who sniffs out half chances. I posted recently that if results go against us in the next 3 / 4 games then NC & MO will have to re-think their ideas (assuming that what MO said about January transfers was indeed correct) and look at signings in January. The next few weeks will, I think, be very interesting. JohnItaly

8:25pm Sun 22 Dec 13

iow-is-red-and-white says...

CB FRY LIVES wrote:
lowemustgo wrote:
Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league.
Get Fonte back in.
As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side?
We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales.
Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.
Agree about Adam and Chambers.Also it is time Cody Cropper is given a run out.If he isn't deemed good enough get in a top international keeper to challege a fit Boruc.It would seem that Kelvin Davies is now too injury prone and Gazza is not good enough at this level..
JOS H is not a premiership player to much of a liability.We need atop quality centre half to play alongside Lonvren.
I thought Danny Fox was ok but i would have prefered to see young Matt Targett.given a run out.
Ramirez was not very good when he came on.We could have done with a JASON PUNCHEON today to give us a bit of width.
What the hell has happened to LLOYD ISGROVE-Good enough to make the full Wales squad but not presently on MP'S radar.IS ISGROVE INJURED OR OUT ON LOAN or like Tadanari Lee has he been bannished to the backwoods with the likes of Lee Barnard.
The real joker in the pack is DANNI DEPP OSVALDO.What was the problem with him today.
Nice to see Sam Gallagher come on but lets face it Spurs are not Portsmouth Youth.
If we aren't going to stengthen up front in January-AND LETS FACE IT DESPITE HIS GREAT GOAL lambert LOOKED A WEE BIT JADED TODAY.
Is there chance though that BILLY SHARP wil be brought back in January-Personally Idoubt it.
Today for large chunks of the match SPURS looked like the home team.Last season in the corresponding match Nigel A. brought on MAYUKA from the bench and he terrorised Spurs in the latter half of the match.
To let both MAYUKA and PUNCHEON go out on full season loans is now looking like a bad decision
3POINTS AGAINST CARDIFF on BOXING DAY are now an imperative.
COYR.
'I thought Danny Fox was ok'. That's the most unbelievable statement as I witnessed an incompetent full-back performance from a player completely out of his depth. He's a saints player so I won't throw abuse simply fact he should not be part of this team
[quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowemustgo[/bold] wrote: Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league. Get Fonte back in. As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side? We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales. Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.[/p][/quote]Agree about Adam and Chambers.Also it is time Cody Cropper is given a run out.If he isn't deemed good enough get in a top international keeper to challege a fit Boruc.It would seem that Kelvin Davies is now too injury prone and Gazza is not good enough at this level.. JOS H is not a premiership player to much of a liability.We need atop quality centre half to play alongside Lonvren. I thought Danny Fox was ok but i would have prefered to see young Matt Targett.given a run out. Ramirez was not very good when he came on.We could have done with a JASON PUNCHEON today to give us a bit of width. What the hell has happened to LLOYD ISGROVE-Good enough to make the full Wales squad but not presently on MP'S radar.IS ISGROVE INJURED OR OUT ON LOAN or like Tadanari Lee has he been bannished to the backwoods with the likes of Lee Barnard. The real joker in the pack is DANNI DEPP OSVALDO.What was the problem with him today. Nice to see Sam Gallagher come on but lets face it Spurs are not Portsmouth Youth. If we aren't going to stengthen up front in January-AND LETS FACE IT DESPITE HIS GREAT GOAL lambert LOOKED A WEE BIT JADED TODAY. Is there chance though that BILLY SHARP wil be brought back in January-Personally Idoubt it. Today for large chunks of the match SPURS looked like the home team.Last season in the corresponding match Nigel A. brought on MAYUKA from the bench and he terrorised Spurs in the latter half of the match. To let both MAYUKA and PUNCHEON go out on full season loans is now looking like a bad decision 3POINTS AGAINST CARDIFF on BOXING DAY are now an imperative. COYR.[/p][/quote]'I thought Danny Fox was ok'. That's the most unbelievable statement as I witnessed an incompetent full-back performance from a player completely out of his depth. He's a saints player so I won't throw abuse simply fact he should not be part of this team iow-is-red-and-white

8:26pm Sun 22 Dec 13

worried of n e hampshire says...

David Crook wrote:
Now the slump is on,can anybody out there tell me where the next 3 points are coming from.2 more defeats in a row,and I think Pochettino will be out.
Cardiff Boxing day
you heard it here first!
[quote][p][bold]David Crook[/bold] wrote: Now the slump is on,can anybody out there tell me where the next 3 points are coming from.2 more defeats in a row,and I think Pochettino will be out.[/p][/quote]Cardiff Boxing day you heard it here first! worried of n e hampshire

8:26pm Sun 22 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

If you notced at half-time Fonte was doing his work away from the others, there is something amiss which he is trying to work off by the look of it.
If you notced at half-time Fonte was doing his work away from the others, there is something amiss which he is trying to work off by the look of it. OSPREYSAINT

8:28pm Sun 22 Dec 13

worried of n e hampshire says...

watching the goals again on sky a lot of people are being a bit hard on gazza
watching the goals again on sky a lot of people are being a bit hard on gazza worried of n e hampshire

8:35pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Baddesley Bill says...

iow-is-red-and-white wrote:
johnlennonar wrote:
lowemustgo wrote:
Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league.
Get Fonte back in.
As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side?
We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales.
Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.
L. Shaw, J. Fonte and A. Boruc are all out injured, so what do you expect you prat? Bring Fonte back injured? What a completely stupid comment HAHAHA LOL
Fonte was fit enough for the bench so is not injured, posting in capitals is not clever, only one prat...
Fellow fans calling each other prats shows no class...save it for the bottom dwellers please COYR FOADP
[quote][p][bold]iow-is-red-and-white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnlennonar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowemustgo[/bold] wrote: Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league. Get Fonte back in. As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side? We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales. Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.[/p][/quote]L. Shaw, J. Fonte and A. Boruc are all out injured, so what do you expect you prat? Bring Fonte back injured? What a completely stupid comment HAHAHA LOL[/p][/quote]Fonte was fit enough for the bench so is not injured, posting in capitals is not clever, only one prat...[/p][/quote]Fellow fans calling each other prats shows no class...save it for the bottom dwellers please COYR FOADP Baddesley Bill

8:44pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Confucious says...

Looks like MoPo should be fired and a committee made up of Echo forum posters duly appointed then.

Our strength earlier this season was our defence - keeping clean sheets and winning by the odd goal or or picking up a 0-0 points. Today only one of that back five was playing and we had a young reserve keeper to boot. The result was no surprise.

The original back five and Boruc would be played if fully fit. My guess is that partially fit players are not being fielded less that results, as it can, in more serious longer term problems.

MoPo simply won't be drawn into commenting in detail on players' injuries or selection tactics. That's frustrating for fans, but probably a good policy from the point of view of upcoming matches.

Of course Gazza, Hooi and Fox struggled today. They aren't used to playing in the Prem or together in that team. They were up against it from every point of view. But from what I saw they tried and from what I saw they felt all the blows just as hard if not harder than we did. And no way has MoPo gone from being a genius to being inept in five weeks.

As MoPo says: "We're going through a very tough time at present." This is when the club and players need our support - much more than when we were winning with a full squad. And, apart from making some feel better, exactly what good will slagging Hooi, Fox and Gazza off do and exactly how does that fit in with "support"?

Or do we only sing when we are winning?

Come on! This is a tough time and there are three more tough matches coming up fast.

We've lost a battle today, but think back three years and it's obvious we're still winning the war. Fukc me - good job Churchill didn't give up after Dunkirk!
Looks like MoPo should be fired and a committee made up of Echo forum posters duly appointed then. Our strength earlier this season was our defence - keeping clean sheets and winning by the odd goal or or picking up a 0-0 points. Today only one of that back five was playing and we had a young reserve keeper to boot. The result was no surprise. The original back five and Boruc would be played if fully fit. My guess is that partially fit players are not being fielded less that results, as it can, in more serious longer term problems. MoPo simply won't be drawn into commenting in detail on players' injuries or selection tactics. That's frustrating for fans, but probably a good policy from the point of view of upcoming matches. Of course Gazza, Hooi and Fox struggled today. They aren't used to playing in the Prem or together in that team. They were up against it from every point of view. But from what I saw they tried and from what I saw they felt all the blows just as hard if not harder than we did. And no way has MoPo gone from being a genius to being inept in five weeks. As MoPo says: "We're going through a very tough time at present." This is when the club and players need our support - much more than when we were winning with a full squad. And, apart from making some feel better, exactly what good will slagging Hooi, Fox and Gazza off do and exactly how does that fit in with "support"? Or do we only sing when we are winning? Come on! This is a tough time and there are three more tough matches coming up fast. We've lost a battle today, but think back three years and it's obvious we're still winning the war. Fukc me - good job Churchill didn't give up after Dunkirk! Confucious

8:47pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Lehman Bros Banker says...

Chambers had a good game and probably was at his best when switched to left back. So if Clyne and Shaw don't play we have a ready made solution with Chambers at left back and Cork or Ward Prowse filling in at right back. Anything has to be preferable to giving Fox a game, and I seriously hope never to see him in a Southampton shirt again. As for pairing Fox with Jos just what was Poch thinking of? He picked the team and wonders why we were so miserable in defence. Jos is another liability and as for Gazza he almost makes Tommy Forecast look like a goalkeeper.

If we continue to struggle with injuries it's going to be a cold,,cold Christmas for Southampton. Poch needs to take positive steps in January to strengthen the spine of the team, and out the likes of Fox on loan so he can't possibly make the same mistakes in team selection again.
Chambers had a good game and probably was at his best when switched to left back. So if Clyne and Shaw don't play we have a ready made solution with Chambers at left back and Cork or Ward Prowse filling in at right back. Anything has to be preferable to giving Fox a game, and I seriously hope never to see him in a Southampton shirt again. As for pairing Fox with Jos just what was Poch thinking of? He picked the team and wonders why we were so miserable in defence. Jos is another liability and as for Gazza he almost makes Tommy Forecast look like a goalkeeper. If we continue to struggle with injuries it's going to be a cold,,cold Christmas for Southampton. Poch needs to take positive steps in January to strengthen the spine of the team, and out the likes of Fox on loan so he can't possibly make the same mistakes in team selection again. Lehman Bros Banker

9:11pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

Confucious wrote:
Looks like MoPo should be fired and a committee made up of Echo forum posters duly appointed then.

Our strength earlier this season was our defence - keeping clean sheets and winning by the odd goal or or picking up a 0-0 points. Today only one of that back five was playing and we had a young reserve keeper to boot. The result was no surprise.

The original back five and Boruc would be played if fully fit. My guess is that partially fit players are not being fielded less that results, as it can, in more serious longer term problems.

MoPo simply won't be drawn into commenting in detail on players' injuries or selection tactics. That's frustrating for fans, but probably a good policy from the point of view of upcoming matches.

Of course Gazza, Hooi and Fox struggled today. They aren't used to playing in the Prem or together in that team. They were up against it from every point of view. But from what I saw they tried and from what I saw they felt all the blows just as hard if not harder than we did. And no way has MoPo gone from being a genius to being inept in five weeks.

As MoPo says: "We're going through a very tough time at present." This is when the club and players need our support - much more than when we were winning with a full squad. And, apart from making some feel better, exactly what good will slagging Hooi, Fox and Gazza off do and exactly how does that fit in with "support"?

Or do we only sing when we are winning?

Come on! This is a tough time and there are three more tough matches coming up fast.

We've lost a battle today, but think back three years and it's obvious we're still winning the war. Fukc me - good job Churchill didn't give up after Dunkirk!
Having given you the thumbs up, Confucious, where do I go to give you a second thumbs up?

I know it's a struggle, but I'm going to look for the ONE major positive to come out of today, and that's that it's given all those moaners who never post on here except when we lose a chance to vent their spleen. Think of the space they're freeing up at The Samaritans for all the genuine people struggling to cope with winter, the recession and paying for Christmas.

Alas, there’s always a downside. Having come to terms with the lose and the p!ss-poor way we gifted Spuds the points, the misery generated on this and the match threads has sent me into a downwards depressing spiral; I’ve not been off the phone to the Samaritans for the past hour!
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Looks like MoPo should be fired and a committee made up of Echo forum posters duly appointed then. Our strength earlier this season was our defence - keeping clean sheets and winning by the odd goal or or picking up a 0-0 points. Today only one of that back five was playing and we had a young reserve keeper to boot. The result was no surprise. The original back five and Boruc would be played if fully fit. My guess is that partially fit players are not being fielded less that results, as it can, in more serious longer term problems. MoPo simply won't be drawn into commenting in detail on players' injuries or selection tactics. That's frustrating for fans, but probably a good policy from the point of view of upcoming matches. Of course Gazza, Hooi and Fox struggled today. They aren't used to playing in the Prem or together in that team. They were up against it from every point of view. But from what I saw they tried and from what I saw they felt all the blows just as hard if not harder than we did. And no way has MoPo gone from being a genius to being inept in five weeks. As MoPo says: "We're going through a very tough time at present." This is when the club and players need our support - much more than when we were winning with a full squad. And, apart from making some feel better, exactly what good will slagging Hooi, Fox and Gazza off do and exactly how does that fit in with "support"? Or do we only sing when we are winning? Come on! This is a tough time and there are three more tough matches coming up fast. We've lost a battle today, but think back three years and it's obvious we're still winning the war. Fukc me - good job Churchill didn't give up after Dunkirk![/p][/quote]Having given you the thumbs up, Confucious, where do I go to give you a second thumbs up? I know it's a struggle, but I'm going to look for the ONE major positive to come out of today, and that's that it's given all those moaners who never post on here except when we lose a chance to vent their spleen. Think of the space they're freeing up at The Samaritans for all the genuine people struggling to cope with winter, the recession and paying for Christmas. Alas, there’s always a downside. Having come to terms with the lose and the p!ss-poor way we gifted Spuds the points, the misery generated on this and the match threads has sent me into a downwards depressing spiral; I’ve not been off the phone to the Samaritans for the past hour! Strasbourg Saint

9:23pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Clever Dick says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Looks like MoPo should be fired and a committee made up of Echo forum posters duly appointed then.

Our strength earlier this season was our defence - keeping clean sheets and winning by the odd goal or or picking up a 0-0 points. Today only one of that back five was playing and we had a young reserve keeper to boot. The result was no surprise.

The original back five and Boruc would be played if fully fit. My guess is that partially fit players are not being fielded less that results, as it can, in more serious longer term problems.

MoPo simply won't be drawn into commenting in detail on players' injuries or selection tactics. That's frustrating for fans, but probably a good policy from the point of view of upcoming matches.

Of course Gazza, Hooi and Fox struggled today. They aren't used to playing in the Prem or together in that team. They were up against it from every point of view. But from what I saw they tried and from what I saw they felt all the blows just as hard if not harder than we did. And no way has MoPo gone from being a genius to being inept in five weeks.

As MoPo says: "We're going through a very tough time at present." This is when the club and players need our support - much more than when we were winning with a full squad. And, apart from making some feel better, exactly what good will slagging Hooi, Fox and Gazza off do and exactly how does that fit in with "support"?

Or do we only sing when we are winning?

Come on! This is a tough time and there are three more tough matches coming up fast.

We've lost a battle today, but think back three years and it's obvious we're still winning the war. Fukc me - good job Churchill didn't give up after Dunkirk!
Having given you the thumbs up, Confucious, where do I go to give you a second thumbs up?

I know it's a struggle, but I'm going to look for the ONE major positive to come out of today, and that's that it's given all those moaners who never post on here except when we lose a chance to vent their spleen. Think of the space they're freeing up at The Samaritans for all the genuine people struggling to cope with winter, the recession and paying for Christmas.

Alas, there’s always a downside. Having come to terms with the lose and the p!ss-poor way we gifted Spuds the points, the misery generated on this and the match threads has sent me into a downwards depressing spiral; I’ve not been off the phone to the Samaritans for the past hour!
I'm surprised you got through. The skunts have been blocking the lines for the last 3 or 4 years.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Looks like MoPo should be fired and a committee made up of Echo forum posters duly appointed then. Our strength earlier this season was our defence - keeping clean sheets and winning by the odd goal or or picking up a 0-0 points. Today only one of that back five was playing and we had a young reserve keeper to boot. The result was no surprise. The original back five and Boruc would be played if fully fit. My guess is that partially fit players are not being fielded less that results, as it can, in more serious longer term problems. MoPo simply won't be drawn into commenting in detail on players' injuries or selection tactics. That's frustrating for fans, but probably a good policy from the point of view of upcoming matches. Of course Gazza, Hooi and Fox struggled today. They aren't used to playing in the Prem or together in that team. They were up against it from every point of view. But from what I saw they tried and from what I saw they felt all the blows just as hard if not harder than we did. And no way has MoPo gone from being a genius to being inept in five weeks. As MoPo says: "We're going through a very tough time at present." This is when the club and players need our support - much more than when we were winning with a full squad. And, apart from making some feel better, exactly what good will slagging Hooi, Fox and Gazza off do and exactly how does that fit in with "support"? Or do we only sing when we are winning? Come on! This is a tough time and there are three more tough matches coming up fast. We've lost a battle today, but think back three years and it's obvious we're still winning the war. Fukc me - good job Churchill didn't give up after Dunkirk![/p][/quote]Having given you the thumbs up, Confucious, where do I go to give you a second thumbs up? I know it's a struggle, but I'm going to look for the ONE major positive to come out of today, and that's that it's given all those moaners who never post on here except when we lose a chance to vent their spleen. Think of the space they're freeing up at The Samaritans for all the genuine people struggling to cope with winter, the recession and paying for Christmas. Alas, there’s always a downside. Having come to terms with the lose and the p!ss-poor way we gifted Spuds the points, the misery generated on this and the match threads has sent me into a downwards depressing spiral; I’ve not been off the phone to the Samaritans for the past hour![/p][/quote]I'm surprised you got through. The skunts have been blocking the lines for the last 3 or 4 years. Clever Dick

9:33pm Sun 22 Dec 13

swesaint says...

Plenty of moaners creeping out here. The most baffling part are the numbers that think somehow pochettino has the power to heal injuries by just the touch of his hand and that he actually refuses to do so just to spite you lot. Do you really think he wants gazza in goal if boruc is available for instance.
Plenty of moaners creeping out here. The most baffling part are the numbers that think somehow pochettino has the power to heal injuries by just the touch of his hand and that he actually refuses to do so just to spite you lot. Do you really think he wants gazza in goal if boruc is available for instance. swesaint

9:34pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Looks like MoPo should be fired and a committee made up of Echo forum posters duly appointed then.

Our strength earlier this season was our defence - keeping clean sheets and winning by the odd goal or or picking up a 0-0 points. Today only one of that back five was playing and we had a young reserve keeper to boot. The result was no surprise.

The original back five and Boruc would be played if fully fit. My guess is that partially fit players are not being fielded less that results, as it can, in more serious longer term problems.

MoPo simply won't be drawn into commenting in detail on players' injuries or selection tactics. That's frustrating for fans, but probably a good policy from the point of view of upcoming matches.

Of course Gazza, Hooi and Fox struggled today. They aren't used to playing in the Prem or together in that team. They were up against it from every point of view. But from what I saw they tried and from what I saw they felt all the blows just as hard if not harder than we did. And no way has MoPo gone from being a genius to being inept in five weeks.

As MoPo says: "We're going through a very tough time at present." This is when the club and players need our support - much more than when we were winning with a full squad. And, apart from making some feel better, exactly what good will slagging Hooi, Fox and Gazza off do and exactly how does that fit in with "support"?

Or do we only sing when we are winning?

Come on! This is a tough time and there are three more tough matches coming up fast.

We've lost a battle today, but think back three years and it's obvious we're still winning the war. Fukc me - good job Churchill didn't give up after Dunkirk!
Having given you the thumbs up, Confucious, where do I go to give you a second thumbs up?

I know it's a struggle, but I'm going to look for the ONE major positive to come out of today, and that's that it's given all those moaners who never post on here except when we lose a chance to vent their spleen. Think of the space they're freeing up at The Samaritans for all the genuine people struggling to cope with winter, the recession and paying for Christmas.

Alas, there’s always a downside. Having come to terms with the lose and the p!ss-poor way we gifted Spuds the points, the misery generated on this and the match threads has sent me into a downwards depressing spiral; I’ve not been off the phone to the Samaritans for the past hour!
I'm surprised you got through. The skunts have been blocking the lines for the last 3 or 4 years.
Yeah! They're b4st4rd skint skunts to the end, CD!
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Looks like MoPo should be fired and a committee made up of Echo forum posters duly appointed then. Our strength earlier this season was our defence - keeping clean sheets and winning by the odd goal or or picking up a 0-0 points. Today only one of that back five was playing and we had a young reserve keeper to boot. The result was no surprise. The original back five and Boruc would be played if fully fit. My guess is that partially fit players are not being fielded less that results, as it can, in more serious longer term problems. MoPo simply won't be drawn into commenting in detail on players' injuries or selection tactics. That's frustrating for fans, but probably a good policy from the point of view of upcoming matches. Of course Gazza, Hooi and Fox struggled today. They aren't used to playing in the Prem or together in that team. They were up against it from every point of view. But from what I saw they tried and from what I saw they felt all the blows just as hard if not harder than we did. And no way has MoPo gone from being a genius to being inept in five weeks. As MoPo says: "We're going through a very tough time at present." This is when the club and players need our support - much more than when we were winning with a full squad. And, apart from making some feel better, exactly what good will slagging Hooi, Fox and Gazza off do and exactly how does that fit in with "support"? Or do we only sing when we are winning? Come on! This is a tough time and there are three more tough matches coming up fast. We've lost a battle today, but think back three years and it's obvious we're still winning the war. Fukc me - good job Churchill didn't give up after Dunkirk![/p][/quote]Having given you the thumbs up, Confucious, where do I go to give you a second thumbs up? I know it's a struggle, but I'm going to look for the ONE major positive to come out of today, and that's that it's given all those moaners who never post on here except when we lose a chance to vent their spleen. Think of the space they're freeing up at The Samaritans for all the genuine people struggling to cope with winter, the recession and paying for Christmas. Alas, there’s always a downside. Having come to terms with the lose and the p!ss-poor way we gifted Spuds the points, the misery generated on this and the match threads has sent me into a downwards depressing spiral; I’ve not been off the phone to the Samaritans for the past hour![/p][/quote]I'm surprised you got through. The skunts have been blocking the lines for the last 3 or 4 years.[/p][/quote]Yeah! They're b4st4rd skint skunts to the end, CD! Strasbourg Saint

9:36pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Epsom Saint says...

Confucious wrote:
Looks like MoPo should be fired and a committee made up of Echo forum posters duly appointed then.

Our strength earlier this season was our defence - keeping clean sheets and winning by the odd goal or or picking up a 0-0 points. Today only one of that back five was playing and we had a young reserve keeper to boot. The result was no surprise.

The original back five and Boruc would be played if fully fit. My guess is that partially fit players are not being fielded less that results, as it can, in more serious longer term problems.

MoPo simply won't be drawn into commenting in detail on players' injuries or selection tactics. That's frustrating for fans, but probably a good policy from the point of view of upcoming matches.

Of course Gazza, Hooi and Fox struggled today. They aren't used to playing in the Prem or together in that team. They were up against it from every point of view. But from what I saw they tried and from what I saw they felt all the blows just as hard if not harder than we did. And no way has MoPo gone from being a genius to being inept in five weeks.

As MoPo says: "We're going through a very tough time at present." This is when the club and players need our support - much more than when we were winning with a full squad. And, apart from making some feel better, exactly what good will slagging Hooi, Fox and Gazza off do and exactly how does that fit in with "support"?

Or do we only sing when we are winning?

Come on! This is a tough time and there are three more tough matches coming up fast.

We've lost a battle today, but think back three years and it's obvious we're still winning the war. Fukc me - good job Churchill didn't give up after Dunkirk!
Great post.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Looks like MoPo should be fired and a committee made up of Echo forum posters duly appointed then. Our strength earlier this season was our defence - keeping clean sheets and winning by the odd goal or or picking up a 0-0 points. Today only one of that back five was playing and we had a young reserve keeper to boot. The result was no surprise. The original back five and Boruc would be played if fully fit. My guess is that partially fit players are not being fielded less that results, as it can, in more serious longer term problems. MoPo simply won't be drawn into commenting in detail on players' injuries or selection tactics. That's frustrating for fans, but probably a good policy from the point of view of upcoming matches. Of course Gazza, Hooi and Fox struggled today. They aren't used to playing in the Prem or together in that team. They were up against it from every point of view. But from what I saw they tried and from what I saw they felt all the blows just as hard if not harder than we did. And no way has MoPo gone from being a genius to being inept in five weeks. As MoPo says: "We're going through a very tough time at present." This is when the club and players need our support - much more than when we were winning with a full squad. And, apart from making some feel better, exactly what good will slagging Hooi, Fox and Gazza off do and exactly how does that fit in with "support"? Or do we only sing when we are winning? Come on! This is a tough time and there are three more tough matches coming up fast. We've lost a battle today, but think back three years and it's obvious we're still winning the war. Fukc me - good job Churchill didn't give up after Dunkirk![/p][/quote]Great post. Epsom Saint

9:37pm Sun 22 Dec 13

loosehead says...

I hope the manager sees sense & gets rid of the drift wood & bolsters his squad or Is this another top half before Christmas & relegated at the end of the season as it really feels like ground hog day?
Tottenham ran out of steam in week with Saints fast running break away game we should have had them panting by half time.
Hooidveld seems to score home goals on a regular basis & is too much of a reliability risk & if he's the best back up come on get rid & buy
I hope the manager sees sense & gets rid of the drift wood & bolsters his squad or Is this another top half before Christmas & relegated at the end of the season as it really feels like ground hog day? Tottenham ran out of steam in week with Saints fast running break away game we should have had them panting by half time. Hooidveld seems to score home goals on a regular basis & is too much of a reliability risk & if he's the best back up come on get rid & buy loosehead

9:40pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Santa Retfordia says...

Look on the bright side: Fox and Hooiveld are always worth a goal to the opposition each, so in seasonally adjusted terms we won 2-1.

Lallana was fcuking world class today though. We'll bounce back. Don't dwell too much on it.
Look on the bright side: Fox and Hooiveld are always worth a goal to the opposition each, so in seasonally adjusted terms we won 2-1. Lallana was fcuking world class today though. We'll bounce back. Don't dwell too much on it. Santa Retfordia

10:10pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Clever Dick says...

loosehead wrote:
I hope the manager sees sense & gets rid of the drift wood & bolsters his squad or Is this another top half before Christmas & relegated at the end of the season as it really feels like ground hog day?
Tottenham ran out of steam in week with Saints fast running break away game we should have had them panting by half time.
Hooidveld seems to score home goals on a regular basis & is too much of a reliability risk & if he's the best back up come on get rid & buy
Relegation? Are you having a laugh. We've lost a few games by the odd goal and only been outplayed by maybe Chelski. Yes we are having a run of poor results but we will be beyond 40 points by the end of Feb. Cheer up. The skunts will be very close to the Conference by then.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I hope the manager sees sense & gets rid of the drift wood & bolsters his squad or Is this another top half before Christmas & relegated at the end of the season as it really feels like ground hog day? Tottenham ran out of steam in week with Saints fast running break away game we should have had them panting by half time. Hooidveld seems to score home goals on a regular basis & is too much of a reliability risk & if he's the best back up come on get rid & buy[/p][/quote]Relegation? Are you having a laugh. We've lost a few games by the odd goal and only been outplayed by maybe Chelski. Yes we are having a run of poor results but we will be beyond 40 points by the end of Feb. Cheer up. The skunts will be very close to the Conference by then. Clever Dick

10:17pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Velleity says...

What's going on here?

To all the people berating MP for playing Gazza, Fox and Hoover, please can you tell us whom you would have played? When answering, please take into account that Shaw, Fonte, Boruc, Davis and Clyne are not available to start.

Before you start, Fonte was on the bench for emergencies only, I suspect - unless you think MP can't see that Jose is better than Hoover.

So, what would you have done today?
What's going on here? To all the people berating MP for playing Gazza, Fox and Hoover, please can you tell us whom you would have played? When answering, please take into account that Shaw, Fonte, Boruc, Davis and Clyne are not available to start. Before you start, Fonte was on the bench for emergencies only, I suspect - unless you think MP can't see that Jose is better than Hoover. So, what would you have done today? Velleity

10:21pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Velleity says...

loosehead wrote:
I hope the manager sees sense & gets rid of the drift wood & bolsters his squad or Is this another top half before Christmas & relegated at the end of the season as it really feels like ground hog day?
Tottenham ran out of steam in week with Saints fast running break away game we should have had them panting by half time.
Hooidveld seems to score home goals on a regular basis & is too much of a reliability risk & if he's the best back up come on get rid & buy
In football, it's called an "own goal". I know you never go to football, so you wouldn't know.

And where were you all when we were winning? Not a word.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I hope the manager sees sense & gets rid of the drift wood & bolsters his squad or Is this another top half before Christmas & relegated at the end of the season as it really feels like ground hog day? Tottenham ran out of steam in week with Saints fast running break away game we should have had them panting by half time. Hooidveld seems to score home goals on a regular basis & is too much of a reliability risk & if he's the best back up come on get rid & buy[/p][/quote]In football, it's called an "own goal". I know you never go to football, so you wouldn't know. And where were you all when we were winning? Not a word. Velleity

10:22pm Sun 22 Dec 13

RalphM says...

The Santa joke is on you Poch! Pick the right bloody players!!! Why break up the partnership between Fonte and Lovren they were brilliant together! Hooveld, Fox and Gazzaniga are joke players. No choice on Gazzaniga at the moment but the other two are awful. People say get the cheque book out in January but lets be honest of all the players bought for big money only Lovren looks quality.
The Santa joke is on you Poch! Pick the right bloody players!!! Why break up the partnership between Fonte and Lovren they were brilliant together! Hooveld, Fox and Gazzaniga are joke players. No choice on Gazzaniga at the moment but the other two are awful. People say get the cheque book out in January but lets be honest of all the players bought for big money only Lovren looks quality. RalphM

10:30pm Sun 22 Dec 13

David Crook says...

No one so far has said to me,where is the next 3 points coming from.
No one so far has said to me,where is the next 3 points coming from. David Crook

10:31pm Sun 22 Dec 13

el caballo santos101 says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Looks like MoPo should be fired and a committee made up of Echo forum posters duly appointed then.

Our strength earlier this season was our defence - keeping clean sheets and winning by the odd goal or or picking up a 0-0 points. Today only one of that back five was playing and we had a young reserve keeper to boot. The result was no surprise.

The original back five and Boruc would be played if fully fit. My guess is that partially fit players are not being fielded less that results, as it can, in more serious longer term problems.

MoPo simply won't be drawn into commenting in detail on players' injuries or selection tactics. That's frustrating for fans, but probably a good policy from the point of view of upcoming matches.

Of course Gazza, Hooi and Fox struggled today. They aren't used to playing in the Prem or together in that team. They were up against it from every point of view. But from what I saw they tried and from what I saw they felt all the blows just as hard if not harder than we did. And no way has MoPo gone from being a genius to being inept in five weeks.

As MoPo says: "We're going through a very tough time at present." This is when the club and players need our support - much more than when we were winning with a full squad. And, apart from making some feel better, exactly what good will slagging Hooi, Fox and Gazza off do and exactly how does that fit in with "support"?

Or do we only sing when we are winning?

Come on! This is a tough time and there are three more tough matches coming up fast.

We've lost a battle today, but think back three years and it's obvious we're still winning the war. Fukc me - good job Churchill didn't give up after Dunkirk!
Having given you the thumbs up, Confucious, where do I go to give you a second thumbs up?

I know it's a struggle, but I'm going to look for the ONE major positive to come out of today, and that's that it's given all those moaners who never post on here except when we lose a chance to vent their spleen. Think of the space they're freeing up at The Samaritans for all the genuine people struggling to cope with winter, the recession and paying for Christmas.

Alas, there’s always a downside. Having come to terms with the lose and the p!ss-poor way we gifted Spuds the points, the misery generated on this and the match threads has sent me into a downwards depressing spiral; I’ve not been off the phone to the Samaritans for the past hour!
again double thumbs up for you both.
I said after the chelski game that these threads can be quite quiet after a win or two, yet as soon as we lose the same old people turn up ranting about how bad we were and how its all down to a certain player or three.
we all know certain players are not as god as others but we are not going to have world class back up players, or third choice players, as we just cant afford it.
people are again having a go at gazza and saying that he is not PL class, really? how many prem teams have PL class third choice keeper? I not saying gazza is great, what I am saying s that he is a 21yr old third choice keeper who is here to learn his trade and hopefully become great, who has been thrown into action against some of the best teams in the league with a team that has had most of its starting defenders and midfielders out injured.
hopefully we will get back to full fitness early in the new year and start to win this sort of game again. in the meantime I will continue to support the team and manager and trust that they and NC will do what needs to be done to get it sorted.
on a plus note I thought that gaston had a good game when h came on today, with lots of flicks runs and passes and a lot setting up a couple of goals. whether or not its come too late for him with us don't know, I personally hope he stays and becomes the player most of us wanted him to be.
as the great bon jovi once sang `keep the faith`
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Looks like MoPo should be fired and a committee made up of Echo forum posters duly appointed then. Our strength earlier this season was our defence - keeping clean sheets and winning by the odd goal or or picking up a 0-0 points. Today only one of that back five was playing and we had a young reserve keeper to boot. The result was no surprise. The original back five and Boruc would be played if fully fit. My guess is that partially fit players are not being fielded less that results, as it can, in more serious longer term problems. MoPo simply won't be drawn into commenting in detail on players' injuries or selection tactics. That's frustrating for fans, but probably a good policy from the point of view of upcoming matches. Of course Gazza, Hooi and Fox struggled today. They aren't used to playing in the Prem or together in that team. They were up against it from every point of view. But from what I saw they tried and from what I saw they felt all the blows just as hard if not harder than we did. And no way has MoPo gone from being a genius to being inept in five weeks. As MoPo says: "We're going through a very tough time at present." This is when the club and players need our support - much more than when we were winning with a full squad. And, apart from making some feel better, exactly what good will slagging Hooi, Fox and Gazza off do and exactly how does that fit in with "support"? Or do we only sing when we are winning? Come on! This is a tough time and there are three more tough matches coming up fast. We've lost a battle today, but think back three years and it's obvious we're still winning the war. Fukc me - good job Churchill didn't give up after Dunkirk![/p][/quote]Having given you the thumbs up, Confucious, where do I go to give you a second thumbs up? I know it's a struggle, but I'm going to look for the ONE major positive to come out of today, and that's that it's given all those moaners who never post on here except when we lose a chance to vent their spleen. Think of the space they're freeing up at The Samaritans for all the genuine people struggling to cope with winter, the recession and paying for Christmas. Alas, there’s always a downside. Having come to terms with the lose and the p!ss-poor way we gifted Spuds the points, the misery generated on this and the match threads has sent me into a downwards depressing spiral; I’ve not been off the phone to the Samaritans for the past hour![/p][/quote]again double thumbs up for you both. I said after the chelski game that these threads can be quite quiet after a win or two, yet as soon as we lose the same old people turn up ranting about how bad we were and how its all down to a certain player or three. we all know certain players are not as god as others but we are not going to have world class back up players, or third choice players, as we just cant afford it. people are again having a go at gazza and saying that he is not PL class, really? how many prem teams have PL class third choice keeper? I not saying gazza is great, what I am saying s that he is a 21yr old third choice keeper who is here to learn his trade and hopefully become great, who has been thrown into action against some of the best teams in the league with a team that has had most of its starting defenders and midfielders out injured. hopefully we will get back to full fitness early in the new year and start to win this sort of game again. in the meantime I will continue to support the team and manager and trust that they and NC will do what needs to be done to get it sorted. on a plus note I thought that gaston had a good game when h came on today, with lots of flicks runs and passes and a lot setting up a couple of goals. whether or not its come too late for him with us don't know, I personally hope he stays and becomes the player most of us wanted him to be. as the great bon jovi once sang `keep the faith` el caballo santos101

10:36pm Sun 22 Dec 13

David Crook says...

worried of n e hampshire wrote:
David Crook wrote:
Now the slump is on,can anybody out there tell me where the next 3 points are coming from.2 more defeats in a row,and I think Pochettino will be out.
Cardiff Boxing day
you heard it here first!
You better be right sunshine,Cardiff are a poor team.If you are wrong I shall come down on you like a ton of bricks.
[quote][p][bold]worried of n e hampshire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Crook[/bold] wrote: Now the slump is on,can anybody out there tell me where the next 3 points are coming from.2 more defeats in a row,and I think Pochettino will be out.[/p][/quote]Cardiff Boxing day you heard it here first![/p][/quote]You better be right sunshine,Cardiff are a poor team.If you are wrong I shall come down on you like a ton of bricks. David Crook

10:38pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

David Crook wrote:
No one so far has said to me,where is the next 3 points coming from.
Yes they did and I'll second it - at Cardiff! We owe them a beating!
[quote][p][bold]David Crook[/bold] wrote: No one so far has said to me,where is the next 3 points coming from.[/p][/quote]Yes they did and I'll second it - at Cardiff! We owe them a beating! Strasbourg Saint

10:39pm Sun 22 Dec 13

miltonarcher says...

Poch, let me spell it out for you. The squad lacks quality in depth. Repeat in NC's office and get in some quality in Jan! A new keeper, centre back and midfield. Get your finger out and sort this mess.
Poch, let me spell it out for you. The squad lacks quality in depth. Repeat in NC's office and get in some quality in Jan! A new keeper, centre back and midfield. Get your finger out and sort this mess. miltonarcher

10:39pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Velleity says...

RalphM wrote:
The Santa joke is on you Poch! Pick the right bloody players!!! Why break up the partnership between Fonte and Lovren they were brilliant together! Hooveld, Fox and Gazzaniga are joke players. No choice on Gazzaniga at the moment but the other two are awful. People say get the cheque book out in January but lets be honest of all the players bought for big money only Lovren looks quality.
Please can you tell us whom you would have played? When answering, please take into account that Shaw, Fonte, Boruc, Davis and Clyne are not available to start.

Before you start, Fonte was on the bench for emergencies only, I suspect - unless you think MP can't see that Jose is better than Hoover.

So, what would YOU have done today?
[quote][p][bold]RalphM[/bold] wrote: The Santa joke is on you Poch! Pick the right bloody players!!! Why break up the partnership between Fonte and Lovren they were brilliant together! Hooveld, Fox and Gazzaniga are joke players. No choice on Gazzaniga at the moment but the other two are awful. People say get the cheque book out in January but lets be honest of all the players bought for big money only Lovren looks quality.[/p][/quote]Please can you tell us whom you would have played? When answering, please take into account that Shaw, Fonte, Boruc, Davis and Clyne are not available to start. Before you start, Fonte was on the bench for emergencies only, I suspect - unless you think MP can't see that Jose is better than Hoover. So, what would YOU have done today? Velleity

10:44pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

RalphM wrote:
The Santa joke is on you Poch! Pick the right bloody players!!! Why break up the partnership between Fonte and Lovren they were brilliant together! Hooveld, Fox and Gazzaniga are joke players. No choice on Gazzaniga at the moment but the other two are awful. People say get the cheque book out in January but lets be honest of all the players bought for big money only Lovren looks quality.
THIS is exactly what my earlier (tongue-in-cheek) post was all about. You have every right to an opinion, but please check your facts first. For the simple answer to your rather dumb question contained in the first half of your muddled sentence 'Why break up the partnership between Fonte and Lovren they were brilliant together!' please see Velleity's post, which you'll find 2 posts above yours. In short, Fonte was not fit enough to start.
[quote][p][bold]RalphM[/bold] wrote: The Santa joke is on you Poch! Pick the right bloody players!!! Why break up the partnership between Fonte and Lovren they were brilliant together! Hooveld, Fox and Gazzaniga are joke players. No choice on Gazzaniga at the moment but the other two are awful. People say get the cheque book out in January but lets be honest of all the players bought for big money only Lovren looks quality.[/p][/quote]THIS is exactly what my earlier (tongue-in-cheek) post was all about. You have every right to an opinion, but please check your facts first. For the simple answer to your rather dumb question contained in the first half of your muddled sentence 'Why break up the partnership between Fonte and Lovren they were brilliant together!' please see Velleity's post, which you'll find 2 posts above yours. In short, Fonte was not fit enough to start. Strasbourg Saint

10:45pm Sun 22 Dec 13

David Crook says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Looks like MoPo should be fired and a committee made up of Echo forum posters duly appointed then.

Our strength earlier this season was our defence - keeping clean sheets and winning by the odd goal or or picking up a 0-0 points. Today only one of that back five was playing and we had a young reserve keeper to boot. The result was no surprise.

The original back five and Boruc would be played if fully fit. My guess is that partially fit players are not being fielded less that results, as it can, in more serious longer term problems.

MoPo simply won't be drawn into commenting in detail on players' injuries or selection tactics. That's frustrating for fans, but probably a good policy from the point of view of upcoming matches.

Of course Gazza, Hooi and Fox struggled today. They aren't used to playing in the Prem or together in that team. They were up against it from every point of view. But from what I saw they tried and from what I saw they felt all the blows just as hard if not harder than we did. And no way has MoPo gone from being a genius to being inept in five weeks.

As MoPo says: "We're going through a very tough time at present." This is when the club and players need our support - much more than when we were winning with a full squad. And, apart from making some feel better, exactly what good will slagging Hooi, Fox and Gazza off do and exactly how does that fit in with "support"?

Or do we only sing when we are winning?

Come on! This is a tough time and there are three more tough matches coming up fast.

We've lost a battle today, but think back three years and it's obvious we're still winning the war. Fukc me - good job Churchill didn't give up after Dunkirk!
Having given you the thumbs up, Confucious, where do I go to give you a second thumbs up?

I know it's a struggle, but I'm going to look for the ONE major positive to come out of today, and that's that it's given all those moaners who never post on here except when we lose a chance to vent their spleen. Think of the space they're freeing up at The Samaritans for all the genuine people struggling to cope with winter, the recession and paying for Christmas.

Alas, there’s always a downside. Having come to terms with the lose and the p!ss-poor way we gifted Spuds the points, the misery generated on this and the match threads has sent me into a downwards depressing spiral; I’ve not been off the phone to the Samaritans for the past hour!
again double thumbs up for you both.
I said after the chelski game that these threads can be quite quiet after a win or two, yet as soon as we lose the same old people turn up ranting about how bad we were and how its all down to a certain player or three.
we all know certain players are not as god as others but we are not going to have world class back up players, or third choice players, as we just cant afford it.
people are again having a go at gazza and saying that he is not PL class, really? how many prem teams have PL class third choice keeper? I not saying gazza is great, what I am saying s that he is a 21yr old third choice keeper who is here to learn his trade and hopefully become great, who has been thrown into action against some of the best teams in the league with a team that has had most of its starting defenders and midfielders out injured.
hopefully we will get back to full fitness early in the new year and start to win this sort of game again. in the meantime I will continue to support the team and manager and trust that they and NC will do what needs to be done to get it sorted.
on a plus note I thought that gaston had a good game when h came on today, with lots of flicks runs and passes and a lot setting up a couple of goals. whether or not its come too late for him with us don't know, I personally hope he stays and becomes the player most of us wanted him to be.
as the great bon jovi once sang `keep the faith`
If I was you sunshine ,I would stay on the phone with the Samaritans.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Looks like MoPo should be fired and a committee made up of Echo forum posters duly appointed then. Our strength earlier this season was our defence - keeping clean sheets and winning by the odd goal or or picking up a 0-0 points. Today only one of that back five was playing and we had a young reserve keeper to boot. The result was no surprise. The original back five and Boruc would be played if fully fit. My guess is that partially fit players are not being fielded less that results, as it can, in more serious longer term problems. MoPo simply won't be drawn into commenting in detail on players' injuries or selection tactics. That's frustrating for fans, but probably a good policy from the point of view of upcoming matches. Of course Gazza, Hooi and Fox struggled today. They aren't used to playing in the Prem or together in that team. They were up against it from every point of view. But from what I saw they tried and from what I saw they felt all the blows just as hard if not harder than we did. And no way has MoPo gone from being a genius to being inept in five weeks. As MoPo says: "We're going through a very tough time at present." This is when the club and players need our support - much more than when we were winning with a full squad. And, apart from making some feel better, exactly what good will slagging Hooi, Fox and Gazza off do and exactly how does that fit in with "support"? Or do we only sing when we are winning? Come on! This is a tough time and there are three more tough matches coming up fast. We've lost a battle today, but think back three years and it's obvious we're still winning the war. Fukc me - good job Churchill didn't give up after Dunkirk![/p][/quote]Having given you the thumbs up, Confucious, where do I go to give you a second thumbs up? I know it's a struggle, but I'm going to look for the ONE major positive to come out of today, and that's that it's given all those moaners who never post on here except when we lose a chance to vent their spleen. Think of the space they're freeing up at The Samaritans for all the genuine people struggling to cope with winter, the recession and paying for Christmas. Alas, there’s always a downside. Having come to terms with the lose and the p!ss-poor way we gifted Spuds the points, the misery generated on this and the match threads has sent me into a downwards depressing spiral; I’ve not been off the phone to the Samaritans for the past hour![/p][/quote]again double thumbs up for you both. I said after the chelski game that these threads can be quite quiet after a win or two, yet as soon as we lose the same old people turn up ranting about how bad we were and how its all down to a certain player or three. we all know certain players are not as god as others but we are not going to have world class back up players, or third choice players, as we just cant afford it. people are again having a go at gazza and saying that he is not PL class, really? how many prem teams have PL class third choice keeper? I not saying gazza is great, what I am saying s that he is a 21yr old third choice keeper who is here to learn his trade and hopefully become great, who has been thrown into action against some of the best teams in the league with a team that has had most of its starting defenders and midfielders out injured. hopefully we will get back to full fitness early in the new year and start to win this sort of game again. in the meantime I will continue to support the team and manager and trust that they and NC will do what needs to be done to get it sorted. on a plus note I thought that gaston had a good game when h came on today, with lots of flicks runs and passes and a lot setting up a couple of goals. whether or not its come too late for him with us don't know, I personally hope he stays and becomes the player most of us wanted him to be. as the great bon jovi once sang `keep the faith`[/p][/quote]If I was you sunshine ,I would stay on the phone with the Samaritans. David Crook

10:48pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

Velleity wrote:
RalphM wrote:
The Santa joke is on you Poch! Pick the right bloody players!!! Why break up the partnership between Fonte and Lovren they were brilliant together! Hooveld, Fox and Gazzaniga are joke players. No choice on Gazzaniga at the moment but the other two are awful. People say get the cheque book out in January but lets be honest of all the players bought for big money only Lovren looks quality.
Please can you tell us whom you would have played? When answering, please take into account that Shaw, Fonte, Boruc, Davis and Clyne are not available to start.

Before you start, Fonte was on the bench for emergencies only, I suspect - unless you think MP can't see that Jose is better than Hoover.

So, what would YOU have done today?
You beat me to it, Velleity.

Tough and stressful day today, Christmas shopping tomorrow! At this rate, I'll be on first-name terms with everyone at The Samaritans :-)

Night all!
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RalphM[/bold] wrote: The Santa joke is on you Poch! Pick the right bloody players!!! Why break up the partnership between Fonte and Lovren they were brilliant together! Hooveld, Fox and Gazzaniga are joke players. No choice on Gazzaniga at the moment but the other two are awful. People say get the cheque book out in January but lets be honest of all the players bought for big money only Lovren looks quality.[/p][/quote]Please can you tell us whom you would have played? When answering, please take into account that Shaw, Fonte, Boruc, Davis and Clyne are not available to start. Before you start, Fonte was on the bench for emergencies only, I suspect - unless you think MP can't see that Jose is better than Hoover. So, what would YOU have done today?[/p][/quote]You beat me to it, Velleity. Tough and stressful day today, Christmas shopping tomorrow! At this rate, I'll be on first-name terms with everyone at The Samaritans :-) Night all! Strasbourg Saint

10:51pm Sun 22 Dec 13

angus mc coatup says...

angus mc coatup wrote:
It gives me great comfort to know, that if pochy goes to Spurs or NC gives him the boot. there is no shortage of people that are more qualified, and know so much more about the squad... and the inner workings of the club that we wouldn't even know he'd gone.
I posted this earlier, as a gentle wind up to some of our managerial experts
but, having read some of the posts since, It's true. Do some people really believe that the manager is deliberately putting a weakened team out. Do these people not realise the amount of games coming up and he has to manage the squad as best he can, regarding knocks strains etc. come on people just support the team and stop the moaning........were still in the top ten ffs.
[quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: It gives me great comfort to know, that if pochy goes to Spurs or NC gives him the boot. there is no shortage of people that are more qualified, and know so much more about the squad... and the inner workings of the club that we wouldn't even know he'd gone.[/p][/quote]I posted this earlier, as a gentle wind up to some of our managerial experts but, having read some of the posts since, It's true. Do some people really believe that the manager is deliberately putting a weakened team out. Do these people not realise the amount of games coming up and he has to manage the squad as best he can, regarding knocks strains etc. come on people just support the team and stop the moaning........were still in the top ten ffs. angus mc coatup

10:51pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

David Crook wrote:
worried of n e hampshire wrote:
David Crook wrote:
Now the slump is on,can anybody out there tell me where the next 3 points are coming from.2 more defeats in a row,and I think Pochettino will be out.
Cardiff Boxing day
you heard it here first!
You better be right sunshine,Cardiff are a poor team.If you are wrong I shall come down on you like a ton of bricks.
Why? You make it sound like you're hoping Cardiff beat us ........ errrrr ........ sunshine!
[quote][p][bold]David Crook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]worried of n e hampshire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Crook[/bold] wrote: Now the slump is on,can anybody out there tell me where the next 3 points are coming from.2 more defeats in a row,and I think Pochettino will be out.[/p][/quote]Cardiff Boxing day you heard it here first![/p][/quote]You better be right sunshine,Cardiff are a poor team.If you are wrong I shall come down on you like a ton of bricks.[/p][/quote]Why? You make it sound like you're hoping Cardiff beat us ........ errrrr ........ sunshine! Strasbourg Saint

11:04pm Sun 22 Dec 13

RalphM says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Velleity wrote:
RalphM wrote:
The Santa joke is on you Poch! Pick the right bloody players!!! Why break up the partnership between Fonte and Lovren they were brilliant together! Hooveld, Fox and Gazzaniga are joke players. No choice on Gazzaniga at the moment but the other two are awful. People say get the cheque book out in January but lets be honest of all the players bought for big money only Lovren looks quality.
Please can you tell us whom you would have played? When answering, please take into account that Shaw, Fonte, Boruc, Davis and Clyne are not available to start.

Before you start, Fonte was on the bench for emergencies only, I suspect - unless you think MP can't see that Jose is better than Hoover.

So, what would YOU have done today?
You beat me to it, Velleity.

Tough and stressful day today, Christmas shopping tomorrow! At this rate, I'll be on first-name terms with everyone at The Samaritans :-)

Night all!
So you guys are slagging off my post which you have the right to do! However please tell me what injury has Fonte picked up to be on the bench instead of Hoover as you put it!?
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RalphM[/bold] wrote: The Santa joke is on you Poch! Pick the right bloody players!!! Why break up the partnership between Fonte and Lovren they were brilliant together! Hooveld, Fox and Gazzaniga are joke players. No choice on Gazzaniga at the moment but the other two are awful. People say get the cheque book out in January but lets be honest of all the players bought for big money only Lovren looks quality.[/p][/quote]Please can you tell us whom you would have played? When answering, please take into account that Shaw, Fonte, Boruc, Davis and Clyne are not available to start. Before you start, Fonte was on the bench for emergencies only, I suspect - unless you think MP can't see that Jose is better than Hoover. So, what would YOU have done today?[/p][/quote]You beat me to it, Velleity. Tough and stressful day today, Christmas shopping tomorrow! At this rate, I'll be on first-name terms with everyone at The Samaritans :-) Night all![/p][/quote]So you guys are slagging off my post which you have the right to do! However please tell me what injury has Fonte picked up to be on the bench instead of Hoover as you put it!? RalphM

11:18pm Sun 22 Dec 13

el caballo santos101 says...

David Crook wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Looks like MoPo should be fired and a committee made up of Echo forum posters duly appointed then.

Our strength earlier this season was our defence - keeping clean sheets and winning by the odd goal or or picking up a 0-0 points. Today only one of that back five was playing and we had a young reserve keeper to boot. The result was no surprise.

The original back five and Boruc would be played if fully fit. My guess is that partially fit players are not being fielded less that results, as it can, in more serious longer term problems.

MoPo simply won't be drawn into commenting in detail on players' injuries or selection tactics. That's frustrating for fans, but probably a good policy from the point of view of upcoming matches.

Of course Gazza, Hooi and Fox struggled today. They aren't used to playing in the Prem or together in that team. They were up against it from every point of view. But from what I saw they tried and from what I saw they felt all the blows just as hard if not harder than we did. And no way has MoPo gone from being a genius to being inept in five weeks.

As MoPo says: "We're going through a very tough time at present." This is when the club and players need our support - much more than when we were winning with a full squad. And, apart from making some feel better, exactly what good will slagging Hooi, Fox and Gazza off do and exactly how does that fit in with "support"?

Or do we only sing when we are winning?

Come on! This is a tough time and there are three more tough matches coming up fast.

We've lost a battle today, but think back three years and it's obvious we're still winning the war. Fukc me - good job Churchill didn't give up after Dunkirk!
Having given you the thumbs up, Confucious, where do I go to give you a second thumbs up?

I know it's a struggle, but I'm going to look for the ONE major positive to come out of today, and that's that it's given all those moaners who never post on here except when we lose a chance to vent their spleen. Think of the space they're freeing up at The Samaritans for all the genuine people struggling to cope with winter, the recession and paying for Christmas.

Alas, there’s always a downside. Having come to terms with the lose and the p!ss-poor way we gifted Spuds the points, the misery generated on this and the match threads has sent me into a downwards depressing spiral; I’ve not been off the phone to the Samaritans for the past hour!
again double thumbs up for you both.
I said after the chelski game that these threads can be quite quiet after a win or two, yet as soon as we lose the same old people turn up ranting about how bad we were and how its all down to a certain player or three.
we all know certain players are not as god as others but we are not going to have world class back up players, or third choice players, as we just cant afford it.
people are again having a go at gazza and saying that he is not PL class, really? how many prem teams have PL class third choice keeper? I not saying gazza is great, what I am saying s that he is a 21yr old third choice keeper who is here to learn his trade and hopefully become great, who has been thrown into action against some of the best teams in the league with a team that has had most of its starting defenders and midfielders out injured.
hopefully we will get back to full fitness early in the new year and start to win this sort of game again. in the meantime I will continue to support the team and manager and trust that they and NC will do what needs to be done to get it sorted.
on a plus note I thought that gaston had a good game when h came on today, with lots of flicks runs and passes and a lot setting up a couple of goals. whether or not its come too late for him with us don't know, I personally hope he stays and becomes the player most of us wanted him to be.
as the great bon jovi once sang `keep the faith`
If I was you sunshine ,I would stay on the phone with the Samaritans.
pathetic! yet again no positive input from people who just want to moan.
[quote][p][bold]David Crook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Looks like MoPo should be fired and a committee made up of Echo forum posters duly appointed then. Our strength earlier this season was our defence - keeping clean sheets and winning by the odd goal or or picking up a 0-0 points. Today only one of that back five was playing and we had a young reserve keeper to boot. The result was no surprise. The original back five and Boruc would be played if fully fit. My guess is that partially fit players are not being fielded less that results, as it can, in more serious longer term problems. MoPo simply won't be drawn into commenting in detail on players' injuries or selection tactics. That's frustrating for fans, but probably a good policy from the point of view of upcoming matches. Of course Gazza, Hooi and Fox struggled today. They aren't used to playing in the Prem or together in that team. They were up against it from every point of view. But from what I saw they tried and from what I saw they felt all the blows just as hard if not harder than we did. And no way has MoPo gone from being a genius to being inept in five weeks. As MoPo says: "We're going through a very tough time at present." This is when the club and players need our support - much more than when we were winning with a full squad. And, apart from making some feel better, exactly what good will slagging Hooi, Fox and Gazza off do and exactly how does that fit in with "support"? Or do we only sing when we are winning? Come on! This is a tough time and there are three more tough matches coming up fast. We've lost a battle today, but think back three years and it's obvious we're still winning the war. Fukc me - good job Churchill didn't give up after Dunkirk![/p][/quote]Having given you the thumbs up, Confucious, where do I go to give you a second thumbs up? I know it's a struggle, but I'm going to look for the ONE major positive to come out of today, and that's that it's given all those moaners who never post on here except when we lose a chance to vent their spleen. Think of the space they're freeing up at The Samaritans for all the genuine people struggling to cope with winter, the recession and paying for Christmas. Alas, there’s always a downside. Having come to terms with the lose and the p!ss-poor way we gifted Spuds the points, the misery generated on this and the match threads has sent me into a downwards depressing spiral; I’ve not been off the phone to the Samaritans for the past hour![/p][/quote]again double thumbs up for you both. I said after the chelski game that these threads can be quite quiet after a win or two, yet as soon as we lose the same old people turn up ranting about how bad we were and how its all down to a certain player or three. we all know certain players are not as god as others but we are not going to have world class back up players, or third choice players, as we just cant afford it. people are again having a go at gazza and saying that he is not PL class, really? how many prem teams have PL class third choice keeper? I not saying gazza is great, what I am saying s that he is a 21yr old third choice keeper who is here to learn his trade and hopefully become great, who has been thrown into action against some of the best teams in the league with a team that has had most of its starting defenders and midfielders out injured. hopefully we will get back to full fitness early in the new year and start to win this sort of game again. in the meantime I will continue to support the team and manager and trust that they and NC will do what needs to be done to get it sorted. on a plus note I thought that gaston had a good game when h came on today, with lots of flicks runs and passes and a lot setting up a couple of goals. whether or not its come too late for him with us don't know, I personally hope he stays and becomes the player most of us wanted him to be. as the great bon jovi once sang `keep the faith`[/p][/quote]If I was you sunshine ,I would stay on the phone with the Samaritans.[/p][/quote]pathetic! yet again no positive input from people who just want to moan. el caballo santos101

11:28pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Folkestone Saint says...

We would have ben better off playing without hoover, even if it meant playing with ten men, he was that bad (again)
We would have ben better off playing without hoover, even if it meant playing with ten men, he was that bad (again) Folkestone Saint

11:53pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Santa Retfordia says...

David Crook wrote:
worried of n e hampshire wrote:
David Crook wrote: Now the slump is on,can anybody out there tell me where the next 3 points are coming from.2 more defeats in a row,and I think Pochettino will be out.
Cardiff Boxing day you heard it here first!
You better be right sunshine,Cardiff are a poor team.If you are wrong I shall come down on you like a ton of bricks.
Shhhhhhhhhh.
[quote][p][bold]David Crook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]worried of n e hampshire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Crook[/bold] wrote: Now the slump is on,can anybody out there tell me where the next 3 points are coming from.2 more defeats in a row,and I think Pochettino will be out.[/p][/quote]Cardiff Boxing day you heard it here first![/p][/quote]You better be right sunshine,Cardiff are a poor team.If you are wrong I shall come down on you like a ton of bricks.[/p][/quote]Shhhhhhhhhh. Santa Retfordia

11:56pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Santa Retfordia says...

(Seriously, do shut the fcuk up.)
(Seriously, do shut the fcuk up.) Santa Retfordia

12:08am Mon 23 Dec 13

hedge end bob says...

angus mc coatup wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote: It gives me great comfort to know, that if pochy goes to Spurs or NC gives him the boot. there is no shortage of people that are more qualified, and know so much more about the squad... and the inner workings of the club that we wouldn't even know he'd gone.
I posted this earlier, as a gentle wind up to some of our managerial experts but, having read some of the posts since, It's true. Do some people really believe that the manager is deliberately putting a weakened team out. Do these people not realise the amount of games coming up and he has to manage the squad as best he can, regarding knocks strains etc. come on people just support the team and stop the moaning........were still in the top ten ffs.
YES BUT PLAYING THESE PLAYERS FOR HOW LONG FFS.
[quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: It gives me great comfort to know, that if pochy goes to Spurs or NC gives him the boot. there is no shortage of people that are more qualified, and know so much more about the squad... and the inner workings of the club that we wouldn't even know he'd gone.[/p][/quote]I posted this earlier, as a gentle wind up to some of our managerial experts but, having read some of the posts since, It's true. Do some people really believe that the manager is deliberately putting a weakened team out. Do these people not realise the amount of games coming up and he has to manage the squad as best he can, regarding knocks strains etc. come on people just support the team and stop the moaning........were still in the top ten ffs.[/p][/quote]YES BUT PLAYING THESE PLAYERS FOR HOW LONG FFS. hedge end bob

12:22am Mon 23 Dec 13

Swissowned says...

Velleity wrote:
What's going on here?

To all the people berating MP for playing Gazza, Fox and Hoover, please can you tell us whom you would have played? When answering, please take into account that Shaw, Fonte, Boruc, Davis and Clyne are not available to start.

Before you start, Fonte was on the bench for emergencies only, I suspect - unless you think MP can't see that Jose is better than Hoover.

So, what would you have done today?
Cropper in goal. Can't be any worse than gazza.
Yoshida instead of the Hoover.
Chambers showed he is versatile and can play left back so would have started him there.
And perhaps dropped cork to right back and started ward-prowse in midfield although I felt he was unfortunate to be brought off.

Now that looks like a stronger defence already!
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: What's going on here? To all the people berating MP for playing Gazza, Fox and Hoover, please can you tell us whom you would have played? When answering, please take into account that Shaw, Fonte, Boruc, Davis and Clyne are not available to start. Before you start, Fonte was on the bench for emergencies only, I suspect - unless you think MP can't see that Jose is better than Hoover. So, what would you have done today?[/p][/quote]Cropper in goal. Can't be any worse than gazza. Yoshida instead of the Hoover. Chambers showed he is versatile and can play left back so would have started him there. And perhaps dropped cork to right back and started ward-prowse in midfield although I felt he was unfortunate to be brought off. Now that looks like a stronger defence already! Swissowned

12:24am Mon 23 Dec 13

Chriops says...

Some people seem to have forgotten where we have come from.

Like most Saints fans I was hugely disappointed today, but thinking about it, it shows how the level of expectation has grown in a year. Last year we went into the games against Spurs hoping we'd get something. This year, the expectation was there for us to win.

The weaker players in the squad are a relic from our days in the football league. While we have a good quality first eleven, and some quality available amongst the subs, we still have players that aren't quite up to top half Premier standard. That's part of our legacy, but it will change with time.

Having watched the game back, for me there were still positives to take from the game. I thought that Gaston actually looked quite bright, Chambers was very good, and Lallana was in a class of his own. I was also pleased to see Sam Gallagher get more minutes on the pitch.

For those Saints fans screaming that Fox Hoovield etc should have gone, imagine if they had... Who else would we have played? Kids that aren't ready from the U21 squad?

With so many kids in the first team it is important to have experienced professionals around them. In actual fact, Luke Shaw stated that Danny Fox has helped him more than any other player in the team. Surely in this case Fox has been worth keeping at the club up till now, if just for that.

The weaker players will gradually be replaced with either kids from our academy, or quality replacements, but in the meantime, perhaps we should try to remember where we have come from, and be a little more patient.
Some people seem to have forgotten where we have come from. Like most Saints fans I was hugely disappointed today, but thinking about it, it shows how the level of expectation has grown in a year. Last year we went into the games against Spurs hoping we'd get something. This year, the expectation was there for us to win. The weaker players in the squad are a relic from our days in the football league. While we have a good quality first eleven, and some quality available amongst the subs, we still have players that aren't quite up to top half Premier standard. That's part of our legacy, but it will change with time. Having watched the game back, for me there were still positives to take from the game. I thought that Gaston actually looked quite bright, Chambers was very good, and Lallana was in a class of his own. I was also pleased to see Sam Gallagher get more minutes on the pitch. For those Saints fans screaming that Fox Hoovield etc should have gone, imagine if they had... Who else would we have played? Kids that aren't ready from the U21 squad? With so many kids in the first team it is important to have experienced professionals around them. In actual fact, Luke Shaw stated that Danny Fox has helped him more than any other player in the team. Surely in this case Fox has been worth keeping at the club up till now, if just for that. The weaker players will gradually be replaced with either kids from our academy, or quality replacements, but in the meantime, perhaps we should try to remember where we have come from, and be a little more patient. Chriops

12:28am Mon 23 Dec 13

andoru says...

Two positives to take from the most abysmal Saints performance I've seen in years are:

1. Two excellent goals. Lallana, stand up and be counted. You are going to Brazil.

2. We scored twice while playing absolutely terrible football. If we can do so playing badly, then we ought to be awesome when we are back at full strength and push on for the second half of the season. It's only really our defensive depth (inc. goalkeeper) that is of (admittedly very big) concern.
Two positives to take from the most abysmal Saints performance I've seen in years are: 1. Two excellent goals. Lallana, stand up and be counted. You are going to Brazil. 2. We scored twice while playing absolutely terrible football. If we can do so playing badly, then we ought to be awesome when we are back at full strength and push on for the second half of the season. It's only really our defensive depth (inc. goalkeeper) that is of (admittedly very big) concern. andoru

12:42am Mon 23 Dec 13

el caballo santos101 says...

hedge end bob wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote: It gives me great comfort to know, that if pochy goes to Spurs or NC gives him the boot. there is no shortage of people that are more qualified, and know so much more about the squad... and the inner workings of the club that we wouldn't even know he'd gone.
I posted this earlier, as a gentle wind up to some of our managerial experts but, having read some of the posts since, It's true. Do some people really believe that the manager is deliberately putting a weakened team out. Do these people not realise the amount of games coming up and he has to manage the squad as best he can, regarding knocks strains etc. come on people just support the team and stop the moaning........were still in the top ten ffs.
YES BUT PLAYING THESE PLAYERS FOR HOW LONG FFS.
bob I`m probably as frustrated as you and everyone else, but what choice does MP have? if he plays cody in goal and he has a mare everyone will moan, likewise with targett at left back (I wouldn't mind him being given a chance though). for some reason MP doesn't rate Yoshi at CB and prefers hoover, again I don't know why but we don't see them in training. personally I would start with Yoshi over hoover just because I think hoover looks very short of confidence. chambers did ok, so did fox who did a better job today than he has in a long time.
injury is never a good excuse but just look at the players out, both first and second choice keepers, fonte has a knock, and yes hes on the bench but that was just as a last resort, you wouldn't risk injuring him further whilst we have other CB`s as cover. both our RB and LB`s were out and needed covering with fox and chambers the natural choice. big vic is missing from CM and cork has filled in well or him but I don't think he is as good defensively as vic, spider and lalla have just come back from knocks and both were excellent again today. dani is injured/banned and is unavailable.
our players will come back and we will get back to our best again, in the meantime we just have to support the players the best we can.
we do have good cover for most players, but be honest how many teams could cope with the injury list we`ve got? maybe the top 4 and that's only because they have money to burn on top quality backup players.
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: It gives me great comfort to know, that if pochy goes to Spurs or NC gives him the boot. there is no shortage of people that are more qualified, and know so much more about the squad... and the inner workings of the club that we wouldn't even know he'd gone.[/p][/quote]I posted this earlier, as a gentle wind up to some of our managerial experts but, having read some of the posts since, It's true. Do some people really believe that the manager is deliberately putting a weakened team out. Do these people not realise the amount of games coming up and he has to manage the squad as best he can, regarding knocks strains etc. come on people just support the team and stop the moaning........were still in the top ten ffs.[/p][/quote]YES BUT PLAYING THESE PLAYERS FOR HOW LONG FFS.[/p][/quote]bob I`m probably as frustrated as you and everyone else, but what choice does MP have? if he plays cody in goal and he has a mare everyone will moan, likewise with targett at left back (I wouldn't mind him being given a chance though). for some reason MP doesn't rate Yoshi at CB and prefers hoover, again I don't know why but we don't see them in training. personally I would start with Yoshi over hoover just because I think hoover looks very short of confidence. chambers did ok, so did fox who did a better job today than he has in a long time. injury is never a good excuse but just look at the players out, both first and second choice keepers, fonte has a knock, and yes hes on the bench but that was just as a last resort, you wouldn't risk injuring him further whilst we have other CB`s as cover. both our RB and LB`s were out and needed covering with fox and chambers the natural choice. big vic is missing from CM and cork has filled in well or him but I don't think he is as good defensively as vic, spider and lalla have just come back from knocks and both were excellent again today. dani is injured/banned and is unavailable. our players will come back and we will get back to our best again, in the meantime we just have to support the players the best we can. we do have good cover for most players, but be honest how many teams could cope with the injury list we`ve got? maybe the top 4 and that's only because they have money to burn on top quality backup players. el caballo santos101

12:48am Mon 23 Dec 13

angus mc coatup says...

hedge end bob wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote: It gives me great comfort to know, that if pochy goes to Spurs or NC gives him the boot. there is no shortage of people that are more qualified, and know so much more about the squad... and the inner workings of the club that we wouldn't even know he'd gone.
I posted this earlier, as a gentle wind up to some of our managerial experts but, having read some of the posts since, It's true. Do some people really believe that the manager is deliberately putting a weakened team out. Do these people not realise the amount of games coming up and he has to manage the squad as best he can, regarding knocks strains etc. come on people just support the team and stop the moaning........were still in the top ten ffs.
YES BUT PLAYING THESE PLAYERS FOR HOW LONG FFS.
well if your team's back four and keeper change every week because of injuries who do you suggest they play. He can only put out what's available to him, and that means having to play fringe players. Our best eleven would be a match for anyone but after that we struggle. Good teams evolve and this squad is nearly there, just show some support till we do get there.
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: It gives me great comfort to know, that if pochy goes to Spurs or NC gives him the boot. there is no shortage of people that are more qualified, and know so much more about the squad... and the inner workings of the club that we wouldn't even know he'd gone.[/p][/quote]I posted this earlier, as a gentle wind up to some of our managerial experts but, having read some of the posts since, It's true. Do some people really believe that the manager is deliberately putting a weakened team out. Do these people not realise the amount of games coming up and he has to manage the squad as best he can, regarding knocks strains etc. come on people just support the team and stop the moaning........were still in the top ten ffs.[/p][/quote]YES BUT PLAYING THESE PLAYERS FOR HOW LONG FFS.[/p][/quote]well if your team's back four and keeper change every week because of injuries who do you suggest they play. He can only put out what's available to him, and that means having to play fringe players. Our best eleven would be a match for anyone but after that we struggle. Good teams evolve and this squad is nearly there, just show some support till we do get there. angus mc coatup

3:15am Mon 23 Dec 13

SiamSaint says...

Tony in Liberia wrote:
Come on - the only reason Poch would pay Hooveild & Fox together is that he has no choice; we all know our best defense, but 4 out of the 5 are injured, so we couldn't play them.

And as I've said before, no top-class guy will come in to replace Fox just to be the understudy to Luke. It looks like Taggart will be the back-up, but he's obviously not quite ready, or else Fox wouldn't be playing.

Poch knows Hooveild isn't prem quality, but again, who else? I said I was against bringing in players in the window but now I'd take someone like Micah Richards on loan for the season, have Fonte as back-up and ship out Hooveild to anyone who will have him. But that;s because I want our academy kids to come through to take over.

Now, if the price of that is a season in the mid-prem, and building a bit more slowly than those who want us to buy a team (on a capacity of 32,000?) that can get into the top 4 now, then I'll be happy with that. As long as I can see that we are going the right way I'm happy, and there's bound to be knocks along the way. But also, remember this - our BEST EVER prem finish is 8th, and that's well within reach, so come on - this is still a great season! Let's not get negative, that's the kind of thing that just grows.

If I was 2 points above the Conference, with a manager whose just publicly told his payers they are all cr&p, then I'd be worried, but we're not, so let's stay positive!
Hye Tony. Did you used to pay darts with Niel Duncan and co back in the 90s in Monrovia? I think remember you!
[quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: Come on - the only reason Poch would pay Hooveild & Fox together is that he has no choice; we all know our best defense, but 4 out of the 5 are injured, so we couldn't play them. And as I've said before, no top-class guy will come in to replace Fox just to be the understudy to Luke. It looks like Taggart will be the back-up, but he's obviously not quite ready, or else Fox wouldn't be playing. Poch knows Hooveild isn't prem quality, but again, who else? I said I was against bringing in players in the window but now I'd take someone like Micah Richards on loan for the season, have Fonte as back-up and ship out Hooveild to anyone who will have him. But that;s because I want our academy kids to come through to take over. Now, if the price of that is a season in the mid-prem, and building a bit more slowly than those who want us to buy a team (on a capacity of 32,000?) that can get into the top 4 now, then I'll be happy with that. As long as I can see that we are going the right way I'm happy, and there's bound to be knocks along the way. But also, remember this - our BEST EVER prem finish is 8th, and that's well within reach, so come on - this is still a great season! Let's not get negative, that's the kind of thing that just grows. If I was 2 points above the Conference, with a manager whose just publicly told his payers they are all cr&p, then I'd be worried, but we're not, so let's stay positive![/p][/quote]Hye Tony. Did you used to pay darts with Niel Duncan and co back in the 90s in Monrovia? I think remember you! SiamSaint

3:16am Mon 23 Dec 13

SiamSaint says...

Tony in Liberia wrote:
Come on - the only reason Poch would pay Hooveild & Fox together is that he has no choice; we all know our best defense, but 4 out of the 5 are injured, so we couldn't play them.

And as I've said before, no top-class guy will come in to replace Fox just to be the understudy to Luke. It looks like Taggart will be the back-up, but he's obviously not quite ready, or else Fox wouldn't be playing.

Poch knows Hooveild isn't prem quality, but again, who else? I said I was against bringing in players in the window but now I'd take someone like Micah Richards on loan for the season, have Fonte as back-up and ship out Hooveild to anyone who will have him. But that;s because I want our academy kids to come through to take over.

Now, if the price of that is a season in the mid-prem, and building a bit more slowly than those who want us to buy a team (on a capacity of 32,000?) that can get into the top 4 now, then I'll be happy with that. As long as I can see that we are going the right way I'm happy, and there's bound to be knocks along the way. But also, remember this - our BEST EVER prem finish is 8th, and that's well within reach, so come on - this is still a great season! Let's not get negative, that's the kind of thing that just grows.

If I was 2 points above the Conference, with a manager whose just publicly told his payers they are all cr&p, then I'd be worried, but we're not, so let's stay positive!
Hye Tony. Did you used to pay darts with Niel Duncan and co back in the 90s in Monrovia? I think remember you!
[quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: Come on - the only reason Poch would pay Hooveild & Fox together is that he has no choice; we all know our best defense, but 4 out of the 5 are injured, so we couldn't play them. And as I've said before, no top-class guy will come in to replace Fox just to be the understudy to Luke. It looks like Taggart will be the back-up, but he's obviously not quite ready, or else Fox wouldn't be playing. Poch knows Hooveild isn't prem quality, but again, who else? I said I was against bringing in players in the window but now I'd take someone like Micah Richards on loan for the season, have Fonte as back-up and ship out Hooveild to anyone who will have him. But that;s because I want our academy kids to come through to take over. Now, if the price of that is a season in the mid-prem, and building a bit more slowly than those who want us to buy a team (on a capacity of 32,000?) that can get into the top 4 now, then I'll be happy with that. As long as I can see that we are going the right way I'm happy, and there's bound to be knocks along the way. But also, remember this - our BEST EVER prem finish is 8th, and that's well within reach, so come on - this is still a great season! Let's not get negative, that's the kind of thing that just grows. If I was 2 points above the Conference, with a manager whose just publicly told his payers they are all cr&p, then I'd be worried, but we're not, so let's stay positive![/p][/quote]Hye Tony. Did you used to pay darts with Niel Duncan and co back in the 90s in Monrovia? I think remember you! SiamSaint

3:22am Mon 23 Dec 13

SiamSaint says...

Why to they call him The Hoover?
Coz he sucks.

Sorry, I really wanted to keep shtum and let the players do their job but we are in a defensive crisis of Atknsian proportions. I can see Danny and Josh are top blokes but I feel embarrassed for them as the slo-mo shows fox open-mouthed, Jos, head in hands, time and time and time again. I do NOT want us to qualify for Europe this year as we have NOT got a second squad. I knwo we are missing our lynchping in Wanyama, but even he's not the finished article. Boruc too. OK, this is a dream stil compared with playing Crewe and Stockport, but the days of Fox and the Hoover in the back line must also become a thing of the past. Thanks for everything guys, sincerely
Why to they call him The Hoover? Coz he sucks. Sorry, I really wanted to keep shtum and let the players do their job but we are in a defensive crisis of Atknsian proportions. I can see Danny and Josh are top blokes but I feel embarrassed for them as the slo-mo shows fox open-mouthed, Jos, head in hands, time and time and time again. I do NOT want us to qualify for Europe this year as we have NOT got a second squad. I knwo we are missing our lynchping in Wanyama, but even he's not the finished article. Boruc too. OK, this is a dream stil compared with playing Crewe and Stockport, but the days of Fox and the Hoover in the back line must also become a thing of the past. Thanks for everything guys, sincerely SiamSaint

5:51am Mon 23 Dec 13

milton road says...

Fonte is obviously carrying a knock and is only going to come on in an emergency. Yet for so long last season Yoshida was our top CB and now doesn't get a look in. True he had a poor game against Villa but it was his first of the season. I do not understand why Hoov plays in front of him. The last two games Hoov's defending has cost us 5 points and as shown the beginning of last season when Hoov and Fox play together it is Christmas time for the opposition.
Agree we need cover at left back and CB and Gazz is not upto the goalkeeping place. We haven't got the depth in squad and it showed but by the noises being made behind the scenes the budget for this season is spent and we shouldn't expect any January additions.
Fonte is obviously carrying a knock and is only going to come on in an emergency. Yet for so long last season Yoshida was our top CB and now doesn't get a look in. True he had a poor game against Villa but it was his first of the season. I do not understand why Hoov plays in front of him. The last two games Hoov's defending has cost us 5 points and as shown the beginning of last season when Hoov and Fox play together it is Christmas time for the opposition. Agree we need cover at left back and CB and Gazz is not upto the goalkeeping place. We haven't got the depth in squad and it showed but by the noises being made behind the scenes the budget for this season is spent and we shouldn't expect any January additions. milton road

6:27am Mon 23 Dec 13

TEqH 83 says...

To all the doubters - stay positive! Obviously we need more depth and quality at the back and MoPo and Cortese know this too. By the end of next summer we'll have it but maybe not by the end of January as we all know that transfer fees in Jan get massively over inflated. Our evolution is underway and there's no stopping our progress but it will still take some time. We were third in the table when everyone was fit which is incredible and now we have so many injuries in defence that we can't possibly maintain that standard. On the plus side we're still scoring goals and haven't taken any real hammerings. As has been said before, if you were told that we'd be 10th at Christmas at the start of the season you'd have taken it wouldn't you??? Once our players recover we'll easily march over the 40 point threshold and no doubt finish higher than last year, all the time strengthening and giving our young squad more experience along the way.

Patience is a virtue.

COYR
To all the doubters - stay positive! Obviously we need more depth and quality at the back and MoPo and Cortese know this too. By the end of next summer we'll have it but maybe not by the end of January as we all know that transfer fees in Jan get massively over inflated. Our evolution is underway and there's no stopping our progress but it will still take some time. We were third in the table when everyone was fit which is incredible and now we have so many injuries in defence that we can't possibly maintain that standard. On the plus side we're still scoring goals and haven't taken any real hammerings. As has been said before, if you were told that we'd be 10th at Christmas at the start of the season you'd have taken it wouldn't you??? Once our players recover we'll easily march over the 40 point threshold and no doubt finish higher than last year, all the time strengthening and giving our young squad more experience along the way. Patience is a virtue. COYR TEqH 83

6:46am Mon 23 Dec 13

Oldfan says...

We have been giving gifts of goals since Stoke. I suppose we were lucky to get Liverpool without Suarez but was that balanced out today when Adebayor decided to play rather than just stroll around the park.

We did not play that badly and Spurs (unlike Villa) are not a bad team (just not good enough to get top four) and they had a little bit too much for our much weakened side. We can beat Cardiff - but one proviso we cannot just give them goals.
We have been giving gifts of goals since Stoke. I suppose we were lucky to get Liverpool without Suarez but was that balanced out today when Adebayor decided to play rather than just stroll around the park. We did not play that badly and Spurs (unlike Villa) are not a bad team (just not good enough to get top four) and they had a little bit too much for our much weakened side. We can beat Cardiff - but one proviso we cannot just give them goals. Oldfan

7:59am Mon 23 Dec 13

Norwegian Saint says...

Hoover has given soo many goals to the opposition... it is becoming embarrassing. I want a reason why Fonte didn't start (even if he just played the first half).
Hoover staring lovingly at Adebayor as the ball drifted over his head, then another right footed mistake into the back of the net.... (if only it was the right one) and finally a half hearted tackle for the third. Hoover was their MotM!!!
Hoover was a great player in the Championship, he is a liability in the Premiership.
It amazes me what happened to Forren, I have seen him play and he is better than Maya or Hoover combined.

Yes we have had to play Gazza but after 14 shots on target (including the Chelsea game) he has let in 10 goals... we may as well blood a youngster. People will argue that none of the goals were his fault but that shot to goals ratio is shocking, the defence must have confidence in the keeper... that is not there.

Fox... well... I did praise him for the assist to Lallana but then he was back to his usual rubbish. He is 10% the player that Shaw is. What did the Fox say??? "whats it like to be on a winning side?"!!!

We miss Clyne, very underated. Would he have let the cross go in for the first goal?

Lovren and Lallana are just outstanding players and both should be at the World cup. Spider played well but I hope he doesn't get a yellow v Cardiff as we need him for Everton.

But, I guess this is the ups and downs of supporting a great team like Saints. If somebody said to me your team will be 9th at Christmas I would have biten both arms off!

Come on you Saints... lets get back in form!!!

I know MoPo can't wave a wand and get everybody fit. Our lack of luck has been unbelievable and I know we will keep supporting ALL the players but after seeing senior players make schoolboy mistakes we may as well play the schoolboys!
Hoover has given soo many goals to the opposition... it is becoming embarrassing. I want a reason why Fonte didn't start (even if he just played the first half). Hoover staring lovingly at Adebayor as the ball drifted over his head, then another right footed mistake into the back of the net.... (if only it was the right one) and finally a half hearted tackle for the third. Hoover was their MotM!!! Hoover was a great player in the Championship, he is a liability in the Premiership. It amazes me what happened to Forren, I have seen him play and he is better than Maya or Hoover combined. Yes we have had to play Gazza but after 14 shots on target (including the Chelsea game) he has let in 10 goals... we may as well blood a youngster. People will argue that none of the goals were his fault but that shot to goals ratio is shocking, the defence must have confidence in the keeper... that is not there. Fox... well... I did praise him for the assist to Lallana but then he was back to his usual rubbish. He is 10% the player that Shaw is. What did the Fox say??? "whats it like to be on a winning side?"!!! We miss Clyne, very underated. Would he have let the cross go in for the first goal? Lovren and Lallana are just outstanding players and both should be at the World cup. Spider played well but I hope he doesn't get a yellow v Cardiff as we need him for Everton. But, I guess this is the ups and downs of supporting a great team like Saints. If somebody said to me your team will be 9th at Christmas I would have biten both arms off! Come on you Saints... lets get back in form!!! I know MoPo can't wave a wand and get everybody fit. Our lack of luck has been unbelievable and I know we will keep supporting ALL the players but after seeing senior players make schoolboy mistakes we may as well play the schoolboys! Norwegian Saint

8:33am Mon 23 Dec 13

lovegrove65 says...

Most strikers would have hit the keeper,why couldnt the Hoo do that. must have the record for own goals per game played in prem.already.
and Fox was exposed in the championship so my heart always sinks when i see him on the team sheet. great effort doesn't equal ability i'm afraid.
Hope we can draw a line under the recent spell,well perhaps after we play Everton at goodison.
Can still be our best prem season ever.COYR
Most strikers would have hit the keeper,why couldnt the Hoo do that. must have the record for own goals per game played in prem.already. and Fox was exposed in the championship so my heart always sinks when i see him on the team sheet. great effort doesn't equal ability i'm afraid. Hope we can draw a line under the recent spell,well perhaps after we play Everton at goodison. Can still be our best prem season ever.COYR lovegrove65

8:53am Mon 23 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

SiamSaint wrote:
Tony in Liberia wrote:
Come on - the only reason Poch would pay Hooveild & Fox together is that he has no choice; we all know our best defense, but 4 out of the 5 are injured, so we couldn't play them.

And as I've said before, no top-class guy will come in to replace Fox just to be the understudy to Luke. It looks like Taggart will be the back-up, but he's obviously not quite ready, or else Fox wouldn't be playing.

Poch knows Hooveild isn't prem quality, but again, who else? I said I was against bringing in players in the window but now I'd take someone like Micah Richards on loan for the season, have Fonte as back-up and ship out Hooveild to anyone who will have him. But that;s because I want our academy kids to come through to take over.

Now, if the price of that is a season in the mid-prem, and building a bit more slowly than those who want us to buy a team (on a capacity of 32,000?) that can get into the top 4 now, then I'll be happy with that. As long as I can see that we are going the right way I'm happy, and there's bound to be knocks along the way. But also, remember this - our BEST EVER prem finish is 8th, and that's well within reach, so come on - this is still a great season! Let's not get negative, that's the kind of thing that just grows.

If I was 2 points above the Conference, with a manager whose just publicly told his payers they are all cr&p, then I'd be worried, but we're not, so let's stay positive!
Hye Tony. Did you used to pay darts with Niel Duncan and co back in the 90s in Monrovia? I think remember you!
Saints could use a darts player, at least they start with three points.
[quote][p][bold]SiamSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: Come on - the only reason Poch would pay Hooveild & Fox together is that he has no choice; we all know our best defense, but 4 out of the 5 are injured, so we couldn't play them. And as I've said before, no top-class guy will come in to replace Fox just to be the understudy to Luke. It looks like Taggart will be the back-up, but he's obviously not quite ready, or else Fox wouldn't be playing. Poch knows Hooveild isn't prem quality, but again, who else? I said I was against bringing in players in the window but now I'd take someone like Micah Richards on loan for the season, have Fonte as back-up and ship out Hooveild to anyone who will have him. But that;s because I want our academy kids to come through to take over. Now, if the price of that is a season in the mid-prem, and building a bit more slowly than those who want us to buy a team (on a capacity of 32,000?) that can get into the top 4 now, then I'll be happy with that. As long as I can see that we are going the right way I'm happy, and there's bound to be knocks along the way. But also, remember this - our BEST EVER prem finish is 8th, and that's well within reach, so come on - this is still a great season! Let's not get negative, that's the kind of thing that just grows. If I was 2 points above the Conference, with a manager whose just publicly told his payers they are all cr&p, then I'd be worried, but we're not, so let's stay positive![/p][/quote]Hye Tony. Did you used to pay darts with Niel Duncan and co back in the 90s in Monrovia? I think remember you![/p][/quote]Saints could use a darts player, at least they start with three points. OSPREYSAINT

8:58am Mon 23 Dec 13

THE12THMAN says...

Has M.P. Ever thought of playing the Hoover up front he seems to an eye for goal. COYR.
Has M.P. Ever thought of playing the Hoover up front he seems to an eye for goal. COYR. THE12THMAN

10:23am Mon 23 Dec 13

saintmicky says...

If anyone at St. Mary's yesterday thinks the fans did their part of the job they are deluded! Yes Gazza poor, yes Hooiveld poor, home support also poor, so much so that Lovren was urging us to sing up. We are just too quiet and timid at home when things are not going to plan. Sorry I know this will upset everyone, I am not expecting a lot of thumbs up but it is true.
Just to make sure I have no friends I also don't think Fox had a bad game!
In the mean time Merry Christmas, lets hope we do better at Cardiff. The away crowd have no problems in the noise department.
If anyone at St. Mary's yesterday thinks the fans did their part of the job they are deluded! Yes Gazza poor, yes Hooiveld poor, home support also poor, so much so that Lovren was urging us to sing up. We are just too quiet and timid at home when things are not going to plan. Sorry I know this will upset everyone, I am not expecting a lot of thumbs up but it is true. Just to make sure I have no friends I also don't think Fox had a bad game! In the mean time Merry Christmas, lets hope we do better at Cardiff. The away crowd have no problems in the noise department. saintmicky

11:10am Mon 23 Dec 13

CB FRY LIVES says...

iow-is-red-and-white wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
lowemustgo wrote:
Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league.
Get Fonte back in.
As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side?
We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales.
Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.
Agree about Adam and Chambers.Also it is time Cody Cropper is given a run out.If he isn't deemed good enough get in a top international keeper to challege a fit Boruc.It would seem that Kelvin Davies is now too injury prone and Gazza is not good enough at this level..
JOS H is not a premiership player to much of a liability.We need atop quality centre half to play alongside Lonvren.
I thought Danny Fox was ok but i would have prefered to see young Matt Targett.given a run out.
Ramirez was not very good when he came on.We could have done with a JASON PUNCHEON today to give us a bit of width.
What the hell has happened to LLOYD ISGROVE-Good enough to make the full Wales squad but not presently on MP'S radar.IS ISGROVE INJURED OR OUT ON LOAN or like Tadanari Lee has he been bannished to the backwoods with the likes of Lee Barnard.
The real joker in the pack is DANNI DEPP OSVALDO.What was the problem with him today.
Nice to see Sam Gallagher come on but lets face it Spurs are not Portsmouth Youth.
If we aren't going to stengthen up front in January-AND LETS FACE IT DESPITE HIS GREAT GOAL lambert LOOKED A WEE BIT JADED TODAY.
Is there chance though that BILLY SHARP wil be brought back in January-Personally Idoubt it.
Today for large chunks of the match SPURS looked like the home team.Last season in the corresponding match Nigel A. brought on MAYUKA from the bench and he terrorised Spurs in the latter half of the match.
To let both MAYUKA and PUNCHEON go out on full season loans is now looking like a bad decision
3POINTS AGAINST CARDIFF on BOXING DAY are now an imperative.
COYR.
'I thought Danny Fox was ok'. That's the most unbelievable statement as I witnessed an incompetent full-back performance from a player completely out of his depth. He's a saints player so I won't throw abuse simply fact he should not be part of this team
FOX was ok he provided the assist for Adam's goal.I've seen him play much better and i've seen him play much worse.
I'm all for him going in January back to Burnley with Danny Ings coming back to the south coast.
THe bottom line is if a player is picked for the team I will be rooting for them during the match.Afterwards i will praise them or belittle them according to the way i saw the matcjh.at the end of the day we are all armchair pundits who when things are not going our teams way might think we can do better than the manager-TED BATES to MP all have taken flack from the fans at one time or another.But i tell you what if they gave their best they all at one time or another got my applause.
COYR
[quote][p][bold]iow-is-red-and-white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowemustgo[/bold] wrote: Poch has only himself to blame for playing Fox alongside Hooiveld on the left. Both are championship players who are out of their depth in this league. Get Fonte back in. As for the goalie, three shots on target, three goals - has he ever made a save? Has Gazza ever been on a winning side? We need to either give Cody Cropper his chance or get a new goalie in the January sales. Rest of the team, in particular Chambers and Lalana were superb. Good to see Lambert scoring again. Rodriguez was fouled out of the game.[/p][/quote]Agree about Adam and Chambers.Also it is time Cody Cropper is given a run out.If he isn't deemed good enough get in a top international keeper to challege a fit Boruc.It would seem that Kelvin Davies is now too injury prone and Gazza is not good enough at this level.. JOS H is not a premiership player to much of a liability.We need atop quality centre half to play alongside Lonvren. I thought Danny Fox was ok but i would have prefered to see young Matt Targett.given a run out. Ramirez was not very good when he came on.We could have done with a JASON PUNCHEON today to give us a bit of width. What the hell has happened to LLOYD ISGROVE-Good enough to make the full Wales squad but not presently on MP'S radar.IS ISGROVE INJURED OR OUT ON LOAN or like Tadanari Lee has he been bannished to the backwoods with the likes of Lee Barnard. The real joker in the pack is DANNI DEPP OSVALDO.What was the problem with him today. Nice to see Sam Gallagher come on but lets face it Spurs are not Portsmouth Youth. If we aren't going to stengthen up front in January-AND LETS FACE IT DESPITE HIS GREAT GOAL lambert LOOKED A WEE BIT JADED TODAY. Is there chance though that BILLY SHARP wil be brought back in January-Personally Idoubt it. Today for large chunks of the match SPURS looked like the home team.Last season in the corresponding match Nigel A. brought on MAYUKA from the bench and he terrorised Spurs in the latter half of the match. To let both MAYUKA and PUNCHEON go out on full season loans is now looking like a bad decision 3POINTS AGAINST CARDIFF on BOXING DAY are now an imperative. COYR.[/p][/quote]'I thought Danny Fox was ok'. That's the most unbelievable statement as I witnessed an incompetent full-back performance from a player completely out of his depth. He's a saints player so I won't throw abuse simply fact he should not be part of this team[/p][/quote]FOX was ok he provided the assist for Adam's goal.I've seen him play much better and i've seen him play much worse. I'm all for him going in January back to Burnley with Danny Ings coming back to the south coast. THe bottom line is if a player is picked for the team I will be rooting for them during the match.Afterwards i will praise them or belittle them according to the way i saw the matcjh.at the end of the day we are all armchair pundits who when things are not going our teams way might think we can do better than the manager-TED BATES to MP all have taken flack from the fans at one time or another.But i tell you what if they gave their best they all at one time or another got my applause. COYR CB FRY LIVES

11:20am Mon 23 Dec 13

adscm says...

Confucious wrote:
Looks like MoPo should be fired and a committee made up of Echo forum posters duly appointed then.

Our strength earlier this season was our defence - keeping clean sheets and winning by the odd goal or or picking up a 0-0 points. Today only one of that back five was playing and we had a young reserve keeper to boot. The result was no surprise.

The original back five and Boruc would be played if fully fit. My guess is that partially fit players are not being fielded less that results, as it can, in more serious longer term problems.

MoPo simply won't be drawn into commenting in detail on players' injuries or selection tactics. That's frustrating for fans, but probably a good policy from the point of view of upcoming matches.

Of course Gazza, Hooi and Fox struggled today. They aren't used to playing in the Prem or together in that team. They were up against it from every point of view. But from what I saw they tried and from what I saw they felt all the blows just as hard if not harder than we did. And no way has MoPo gone from being a genius to being inept in five weeks.

As MoPo says: "We're going through a very tough time at present." This is when the club and players need our support - much more than when we were winning with a full squad. And, apart from making some feel better, exactly what good will slagging Hooi, Fox and Gazza off do and exactly how does that fit in with "support"?

Or do we only sing when we are winning?

Come on! This is a tough time and there are three more tough matches coming up fast.

We've lost a battle today, but think back three years and it's obvious we're still winning the war. Fukc me - good job Churchill didn't give up after Dunkirk!
Very good post, Confucious.

Maybe Gazza, Fox and Hoiveld didn't have a good game but at least they tried. Lambert didn't have a good game either but very few posters are having a go at him. And I still haven't seen £12 million worth of value out of Ramirez yet.

But let's be real here, the amount of injuries we have, currently, is going to test us.

I like MoPo a lot and can't see him getting sacked anytime soon (in answer to those that have started to suggest such things).

But I am more worried about comments from him saying we have enough strength in depth to carry us through all these injuries than I am about the poorer (but at least trying their best) standard of play by certain individuals in the team.

My Christmas list would include another Lovren-type CB, thereby making Fonte our backup, and a top quality striker.

A month or more ago we may have attracted some top draw players to come to St. Marys, to a club obviously viewed as being on the way up in the EPL. But now we may struggle and might lose them to a more established top 6 club - Coutinho and Buttner for example.

But I CAN see us being even better next season.

Keep the faith everybody!
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Looks like MoPo should be fired and a committee made up of Echo forum posters duly appointed then. Our strength earlier this season was our defence - keeping clean sheets and winning by the odd goal or or picking up a 0-0 points. Today only one of that back five was playing and we had a young reserve keeper to boot. The result was no surprise. The original back five and Boruc would be played if fully fit. My guess is that partially fit players are not being fielded less that results, as it can, in more serious longer term problems. MoPo simply won't be drawn into commenting in detail on players' injuries or selection tactics. That's frustrating for fans, but probably a good policy from the point of view of upcoming matches. Of course Gazza, Hooi and Fox struggled today. They aren't used to playing in the Prem or together in that team. They were up against it from every point of view. But from what I saw they tried and from what I saw they felt all the blows just as hard if not harder than we did. And no way has MoPo gone from being a genius to being inept in five weeks. As MoPo says: "We're going through a very tough time at present." This is when the club and players need our support - much more than when we were winning with a full squad. And, apart from making some feel better, exactly what good will slagging Hooi, Fox and Gazza off do and exactly how does that fit in with "support"? Or do we only sing when we are winning? Come on! This is a tough time and there are three more tough matches coming up fast. We've lost a battle today, but think back three years and it's obvious we're still winning the war. Fukc me - good job Churchill didn't give up after Dunkirk![/p][/quote]Very good post, Confucious. Maybe Gazza, Fox and Hoiveld didn't have a good game but at least they tried. Lambert didn't have a good game either but very few posters are having a go at him. And I still haven't seen £12 million worth of value out of Ramirez yet. But let's be real here, the amount of injuries we have, currently, is going to test us. I like MoPo a lot and can't see him getting sacked anytime soon (in answer to those that have started to suggest such things). But I am more worried about comments from him saying we have enough strength in depth to carry us through all these injuries than I am about the poorer (but at least trying their best) standard of play by certain individuals in the team. My Christmas list would include another Lovren-type CB, thereby making Fonte our backup, and a top quality striker. A month or more ago we may have attracted some top draw players to come to St. Marys, to a club obviously viewed as being on the way up in the EPL. But now we may struggle and might lose them to a more established top 6 club - Coutinho and Buttner for example. But I CAN see us being even better next season. Keep the faith everybody! adscm

11:30am Mon 23 Dec 13

Andover Saint says...

i seem to remember i got the thumbs down for trying to say Gazza wernt up to premier leage standard........has he even made a save
i seem to remember i got the thumbs down for trying to say Gazza wernt up to premier leage standard........has he even made a save Andover Saint

11:40am Mon 23 Dec 13

BracknellSaint says...

Hate to bash our own, but Fox and Jos are so out of their depth it's actually a little sad to see at times..
Hoover just seems to lack the speed of thought and body needed to be a premier league CB, and Fox seems to have an incredible lack of positioning and/ or spacial awareness. Always seems to leave a huge hole down the outside to allow the opposition to stretch us out and therefore find spaces through the middle.
Gazza is all we have in goal, so we have to live with it. Based on our current injuries, surely Yoshida better in CB, and Chambers at left back if Shaw out, with Cork or JWP filling in.
To be fair, top 10 at Xmas is something we all would have taken at the start, and I still think we'll be there at the end, allowing us to further tweak the squad on the summer for another improvement next season.
Hate to bash our own, but Fox and Jos are so out of their depth it's actually a little sad to see at times.. Hoover just seems to lack the speed of thought and body needed to be a premier league CB, and Fox seems to have an incredible lack of positioning and/ or spacial awareness. Always seems to leave a huge hole down the outside to allow the opposition to stretch us out and therefore find spaces through the middle. Gazza is all we have in goal, so we have to live with it. Based on our current injuries, surely Yoshida better in CB, and Chambers at left back if Shaw out, with Cork or JWP filling in. To be fair, top 10 at Xmas is something we all would have taken at the start, and I still think we'll be there at the end, allowing us to further tweak the squad on the summer for another improvement next season. BracknellSaint

2:33pm Mon 23 Dec 13

st1halo says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Looks like MoPo should be fired and a committee made up of Echo forum posters duly appointed then.

Our strength earlier this season was our defence - keeping clean sheets and winning by the odd goal or or picking up a 0-0 points. Today only one of that back five was playing and we had a young reserve keeper to boot. The result was no surprise.

The original back five and Boruc would be played if fully fit. My guess is that partially fit players are not being fielded less that results, as it can, in more serious longer term problems.

MoPo simply won't be drawn into commenting in detail on players' injuries or selection tactics. That's frustrating for fans, but probably a good policy from the point of view of upcoming matches.

Of course Gazza, Hooi and Fox struggled today. They aren't used to playing in the Prem or together in that team. They were up against it from every point of view. But from what I saw they tried and from what I saw they felt all the blows just as hard if not harder than we did. And no way has MoPo gone from being a genius to being inept in five weeks.

As MoPo says: "We're going through a very tough time at present." This is when the club and players need our support - much more than when we were winning with a full squad. And, apart from making some feel better, exactly what good will slagging Hooi, Fox and Gazza off do and exactly how does that fit in with "support"?

Or do we only sing when we are winning?

Come on! This is a tough time and there are three more tough matches coming up fast.

We've lost a battle today, but think back three years and it's obvious we're still winning the war. Fukc me - good job Churchill didn't give up after Dunkirk!
Having given you the thumbs up, Confucious, where do I go to give you a second thumbs up?

I know it's a struggle, but I'm going to look for the ONE major positive to come out of today, and that's that it's given all those moaners who never post on here except when we lose a chance to vent their spleen. Think of the space they're freeing up at The Samaritans for all the genuine people struggling to cope with winter, the recession and paying for Christmas.

Alas, there’s always a downside. Having come to terms with the lose and the p!ss-poor way we gifted Spuds the points, the misery generated on this and the match threads has sent me into a downwards depressing spiral; I’ve not been off the phone to the Samaritans for the past hour!
again double thumbs up for you both.
I said after the chelski game that these threads can be quite quiet after a win or two, yet as soon as we lose the same old people turn up ranting about how bad we were and how its all down to a certain player or three.
we all know certain players are not as god as others but we are not going to have world class back up players, or third choice players, as we just cant afford it.
people are again having a go at gazza and saying that he is not PL class, really? how many prem teams have PL class third choice keeper? I not saying gazza is great, what I am saying s that he is a 21yr old third choice keeper who is here to learn his trade and hopefully become great, who has been thrown into action against some of the best teams in the league with a team that has had most of its starting defenders and midfielders out injured.
hopefully we will get back to full fitness early in the new year and start to win this sort of game again. in the meantime I will continue to support the team and manager and trust that they and NC will do what needs to be done to get it sorted.
on a plus note I thought that gaston had a good game when h came on today, with lots of flicks runs and passes and a lot setting up a couple of goals. whether or not its come too late for him with us don't know, I personally hope he stays and becomes the player most of us wanted him to be.
as the great bon jovi once sang `keep the faith`
Common sense in all these posts.
But, I fear, falling on deaf ears.
Example 1 When Gaston came on I thought he did well and showed his underlying talent with some great passing. One pass went astray and instantly shouts of 'You're fcukn useless' rang out from some so-called supporters around me.
Example 2 - The sarastic cheers when Gazza caught the ball.
I don't see how this sort of support is going to help in our present predicament and so hope that when the January window opens we can offload these supporters as imo they are not Premiership quality.

STID
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Looks like MoPo should be fired and a committee made up of Echo forum posters duly appointed then. Our strength earlier this season was our defence - keeping clean sheets and winning by the odd goal or or picking up a 0-0 points. Today only one of that back five was playing and we had a young reserve keeper to boot. The result was no surprise. The original back five and Boruc would be played if fully fit. My guess is that partially fit players are not being fielded less that results, as it can, in more serious longer term problems. MoPo simply won't be drawn into commenting in detail on players' injuries or selection tactics. That's frustrating for fans, but probably a good policy from the point of view of upcoming matches. Of course Gazza, Hooi and Fox struggled today. They aren't used to playing in the Prem or together in that team. They were up against it from every point of view. But from what I saw they tried and from what I saw they felt all the blows just as hard if not harder than we did. And no way has MoPo gone from being a genius to being inept in five weeks. As MoPo says: "We're going through a very tough time at present." This is when the club and players need our support - much more than when we were winning with a full squad. And, apart from making some feel better, exactly what good will slagging Hooi, Fox and Gazza off do and exactly how does that fit in with "support"? Or do we only sing when we are winning? Come on! This is a tough time and there are three more tough matches coming up fast. We've lost a battle today, but think back three years and it's obvious we're still winning the war. Fukc me - good job Churchill didn't give up after Dunkirk![/p][/quote]Having given you the thumbs up, Confucious, where do I go to give you a second thumbs up? I know it's a struggle, but I'm going to look for the ONE major positive to come out of today, and that's that it's given all those moaners who never post on here except when we lose a chance to vent their spleen. Think of the space they're freeing up at The Samaritans for all the genuine people struggling to cope with winter, the recession and paying for Christmas. Alas, there’s always a downside. Having come to terms with the lose and the p!ss-poor way we gifted Spuds the points, the misery generated on this and the match threads has sent me into a downwards depressing spiral; I’ve not been off the phone to the Samaritans for the past hour![/p][/quote]again double thumbs up for you both. I said after the chelski game that these threads can be quite quiet after a win or two, yet as soon as we lose the same old people turn up ranting about how bad we were and how its all down to a certain player or three. we all know certain players are not as god as others but we are not going to have world class back up players, or third choice players, as we just cant afford it. people are again having a go at gazza and saying that he is not PL class, really? how many prem teams have PL class third choice keeper? I not saying gazza is great, what I am saying s that he is a 21yr old third choice keeper who is here to learn his trade and hopefully become great, who has been thrown into action against some of the best teams in the league with a team that has had most of its starting defenders and midfielders out injured. hopefully we will get back to full fitness early in the new year and start to win this sort of game again. in the meantime I will continue to support the team and manager and trust that they and NC will do what needs to be done to get it sorted. on a plus note I thought that gaston had a good game when h came on today, with lots of flicks runs and passes and a lot setting up a couple of goals. whether or not its come too late for him with us don't know, I personally hope he stays and becomes the player most of us wanted him to be. as the great bon jovi once sang `keep the faith`[/p][/quote]Common sense in all these posts. But, I fear, falling on deaf ears. Example 1 When Gaston came on I thought he did well and showed his underlying talent with some great passing. One pass went astray and instantly shouts of 'You're fcukn useless' rang out from some so-called supporters around me. Example 2 - The sarastic cheers when Gazza caught the ball. I don't see how this sort of support is going to help in our present predicament and so hope that when the January window opens we can offload these supporters as imo they are not Premiership quality. STID st1halo

9:30pm Mon 23 Dec 13

loosehead says...

Velleity wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I hope the manager sees sense & gets rid of the drift wood & bolsters his squad or Is this another top half before Christmas & relegated at the end of the season as it really feels like ground hog day?
Tottenham ran out of steam in week with Saints fast running break away game we should have had them panting by half time.
Hooidveld seems to score home goals on a regular basis & is too much of a reliability risk & if he's the best back up come on get rid & buy
In football, it's called an "own goal". I know you never go to football, so you wouldn't know.

And where were you all when we were winning? Not a word.
Funny that I went to all Saints home & away games before we were relegated the year we were relegated the year we won the cup do I need to go on?
I was commenting because the year we got relegated we were right up the top looking good then just nose dived & were relegated.
Now look at us yes we have a strong first team but are our replacements good enough ?
How many points are there between us & third from the bottom? how many points for a win?
We need a squad where you can still win no matter who's injured I remember Wells & Gennoa (hope I spelt that right) both brilliant goalies I remember the Notts Forest game up there what a great goalie we had.
But is the two defenders plus the goalie good enough to cover the injured players? I'm reading they're not or do you think they are? ( I was a season ticket holder up at the Dell okay?)
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I hope the manager sees sense & gets rid of the drift wood & bolsters his squad or Is this another top half before Christmas & relegated at the end of the season as it really feels like ground hog day? Tottenham ran out of steam in week with Saints fast running break away game we should have had them panting by half time. Hooidveld seems to score home goals on a regular basis & is too much of a reliability risk & if he's the best back up come on get rid & buy[/p][/quote]In football, it's called an "own goal". I know you never go to football, so you wouldn't know. And where were you all when we were winning? Not a word.[/p][/quote]Funny that I went to all Saints home & away games before we were relegated the year we were relegated the year we won the cup do I need to go on? I was commenting because the year we got relegated we were right up the top looking good then just nose dived & were relegated. Now look at us yes we have a strong first team but are our replacements good enough ? How many points are there between us & third from the bottom? how many points for a win? We need a squad where you can still win no matter who's injured I remember Wells & Gennoa (hope I spelt that right) both brilliant goalies I remember the Notts Forest game up there what a great goalie we had. But is the two defenders plus the goalie good enough to cover the injured players? I'm reading they're not or do you think they are? ( I was a season ticket holder up at the Dell okay?) loosehead

7:48am Tue 24 Dec 13

Stroppy_gramps says...

Relax

It's Christmas and we're in the top ten!
Relax It's Christmas and we're in the top ten! Stroppy_gramps

3:22pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Bob Barnes says...

May be xmas & in the top ten watch this , I believe .mid to bottom at end of season, hope I am wrong ?
Love to you all in Soton
Bob
May be xmas & in the top ten watch this , I believe .mid to bottom at end of season, hope I am wrong ? Love to you all in Soton Bob Bob Barnes

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