Pochettino faces questions over Osvaldo absence

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Mauricio Pochettino declined to confirm why Dani Osvaldo was missing from the Saints squad to face Tottenham yesterday.

The club record signing, right, has until today to answer an FA charge of violent conduct relating to the dugout melee that occurred during injury time of the 1-1 draw at Newcastle.

He was not even on the bench as Saints faced Spurs with some talk that he may have picked up a knock in training.

However, when pressed about the nature of the Italian’s absence, Pochettino would only say: “He wasn’t on the list so it just means he wasn’t able to play.”

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8:35am Mon 23 Dec 13

JohnItaly says...

Perhaps to avoid any injury prior to his transfer back to Italy in January!
Perhaps to avoid any injury prior to his transfer back to Italy in January! JohnItaly

8:37am Mon 23 Dec 13

montecristosaint says...

REALITY CHECK UST MAYBE AT LAST..

I have never been angrier than I was watching Saints submit to the hated Spurs at home. The team slection inspired no confidence whatever, I was resigned to the loss from that moment on. The point is, if I, a mere fan knows that Foxs Hoolveld and gazzaniga are not prem quality, what n earth must be going through the coach' s head?? And he is on record as saying we dont need reinforcements in January window? He has no experience of the Prem but allow me to tell him where its at. Its a tough season , and never more so when January comes around with the mud and the slush. You will not even keep this team up if you dont get some help in from outside. You are at least three players short because you need at least two prem quality teams in the squad you can call on if you are going to succeed at this level. And Saints dont have that..
REALITY CHECK UST MAYBE AT LAST.. I have never been angrier than I was watching Saints submit to the hated Spurs at home. The team slection inspired no confidence whatever, I was resigned to the loss from that moment on. The point is, if I, a mere fan knows that Foxs Hoolveld and gazzaniga are not prem quality, what n earth must be going through the coach' s head?? And he is on record as saying we dont need reinforcements in January window? He has no experience of the Prem but allow me to tell him where its at. Its a tough season , and never more so when January comes around with the mud and the slush. You will not even keep this team up if you dont get some help in from outside. You are at least three players short because you need at least two prem quality teams in the squad you can call on if you are going to succeed at this level. And Saints dont have that.. montecristosaint

8:49am Mon 23 Dec 13

Saintsteve7 says...

montecristosaint wrote:
REALITY CHECK UST MAYBE AT LAST..

I have never been angrier than I was watching Saints submit to the hated Spurs at home. The team slection inspired no confidence whatever, I was resigned to the loss from that moment on. The point is, if I, a mere fan knows that Foxs Hoolveld and gazzaniga are not prem quality, what n earth must be going through the coach' s head?? And he is on record as saying we dont need reinforcements in January window? He has no experience of the Prem but allow me to tell him where its at. Its a tough season , and never more so when January comes around with the mud and the slush. You will not even keep this team up if you dont get some help in from outside. You are at least three players short because you need at least two prem quality teams in the squad you can call on if you are going to succeed at this level. And Saints dont have that..
You really are a bundle of Christmas cheer aren't you? I don't remember too many posts from you when saints were flying high a month ago!
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: REALITY CHECK UST MAYBE AT LAST.. I have never been angrier than I was watching Saints submit to the hated Spurs at home. The team slection inspired no confidence whatever, I was resigned to the loss from that moment on. The point is, if I, a mere fan knows that Foxs Hoolveld and gazzaniga are not prem quality, what n earth must be going through the coach' s head?? And he is on record as saying we dont need reinforcements in January window? He has no experience of the Prem but allow me to tell him where its at. Its a tough season , and never more so when January comes around with the mud and the slush. You will not even keep this team up if you dont get some help in from outside. You are at least three players short because you need at least two prem quality teams in the squad you can call on if you are going to succeed at this level. And Saints dont have that..[/p][/quote]You really are a bundle of Christmas cheer aren't you? I don't remember too many posts from you when saints were flying high a month ago! Saintsteve7

9:06am Mon 23 Dec 13

Datarater says...

Seeing Fox and Hoiiveld on the team sheet convinced me before we started we stood no chance. Simple.
Seeing Fox and Hoiiveld on the team sheet convinced me before we started we stood no chance. Simple. Datarater

9:11am Mon 23 Dec 13

JSYSAINT says...

Unfortunately, he is right! Fox and Jos are not up to it. two of the three Spurs goals were poorly defended by them and Jos kindly gave us one of his OG's...great! The loss of Wanyama has left huge hole in our midfield...he brings control, strength and presence. Fonte on the bench...ridiculous.
Unfortunately, he is right! Fox and Jos are not up to it. two of the three Spurs goals were poorly defended by them and Jos kindly gave us one of his OG's...great! The loss of Wanyama has left huge hole in our midfield...he brings control, strength and presence. Fonte on the bench...ridiculous. JSYSAINT

9:15am Mon 23 Dec 13

Portswood says...

Dani's head probably wasn't in the right place so Poch did the right thing in leaving him out. But the pirate will be back soon, rampaging and pillaging opposition defences.

And, yes, the game against Spurs emphasised again we're still a bit threadbare in some departments. There are bound to be dips and concerns along the way. But the overall trajectory is upward and the future is very bright.

Keep believing and supporting our team!
Dani's head probably wasn't in the right place so Poch did the right thing in leaving him out. But the pirate will be back soon, rampaging and pillaging opposition defences. And, yes, the game against Spurs emphasised again we're still a bit threadbare in some departments. There are bound to be dips and concerns along the way. But the overall trajectory is upward and the future is very bright. Keep believing and supporting our team! Portswood

9:19am Mon 23 Dec 13

W Wallace says...

Will the SFC board want to invest in January? Premier quality players you say, they cost premier wages. Will the board risk this investment or will they pluck a player from Championship level and hope that this fills the void?
From an outside view I think the latter will occur.
Maybe realistic, get a loan player in secure your position and sort the issue out in the summer.
Will the SFC board want to invest in January? Premier quality players you say, they cost premier wages. Will the board risk this investment or will they pluck a player from Championship level and hope that this fills the void? From an outside view I think the latter will occur. Maybe realistic, get a loan player in secure your position and sort the issue out in the summer. W Wallace

9:19am Mon 23 Dec 13

rossofficial10 says...

montecristosaint wrote:
REALITY CHECK UST MAYBE AT LAST..

I have never been angrier than I was watching Saints submit to the hated Spurs at home. The team slection inspired no confidence whatever, I was resigned to the loss from that moment on. The point is, if I, a mere fan knows that Foxs Hoolveld and gazzaniga are not prem quality, what n earth must be going through the coach' s head?? And he is on record as saying we dont need reinforcements in January window? He has no experience of the Prem but allow me to tell him where its at. Its a tough season , and never more so when January comes around with the mud and the slush. You will not even keep this team up if you dont get some help in from outside. You are at least three players short because you need at least two prem quality teams in the squad you can call on if you are going to succeed at this level. And Saints dont have that..
im as angry as u r mate
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: REALITY CHECK UST MAYBE AT LAST.. I have never been angrier than I was watching Saints submit to the hated Spurs at home. The team slection inspired no confidence whatever, I was resigned to the loss from that moment on. The point is, if I, a mere fan knows that Foxs Hoolveld and gazzaniga are not prem quality, what n earth must be going through the coach' s head?? And he is on record as saying we dont need reinforcements in January window? He has no experience of the Prem but allow me to tell him where its at. Its a tough season , and never more so when January comes around with the mud and the slush. You will not even keep this team up if you dont get some help in from outside. You are at least three players short because you need at least two prem quality teams in the squad you can call on if you are going to succeed at this level. And Saints dont have that..[/p][/quote]im as angry as u r mate rossofficial10

9:31am Mon 23 Dec 13

Velleity says...

Blimey. It appears, just six posts into this thread that we have:

Osvaldo going back to Italy in January;
A manager who doesn't know that Fox, hoover and Gazza are poor, while all the fans do;
Three new players required as an emergency in January;
Fonte left on the bench without good reason (we all know he's 100% fit);
A board that won't spend money;
A board that will try out championship level players;
Need for a loan player to fix everything;
A load of angry people (which makes people oh, so rational.


What on earth are we doing with professionals at the helm when the club could use you lot?
Blimey. It appears, just six posts into this thread that we have: Osvaldo going back to Italy in January; A manager who doesn't know that Fox, hoover and Gazza are poor, while all the fans do; Three new players required as an emergency in January; Fonte left on the bench without good reason (we all know he's 100% fit); A board that won't spend money; A board that will try out championship level players; Need for a loan player to fix everything; A load of angry people (which makes people oh, so rational. What on earth are we doing with professionals at the helm when the club could use you lot? Velleity

9:38am Mon 23 Dec 13

donni1437 says...

montecristosaint wrote:
REALITY CHECK UST MAYBE AT LAST..

I have never been angrier than I was watching Saints submit to the hated Spurs at home. The team slection inspired no confidence whatever, I was resigned to the loss from that moment on. The point is, if I, a mere fan knows that Foxs Hoolveld and gazzaniga are not prem quality, what n earth must be going through the coach' s head?? And he is on record as saying we dont need reinforcements in January window? He has no experience of the Prem but allow me to tell him where its at. Its a tough season , and never more so when January comes around with the mud and the slush. You will not even keep this team up if you dont get some help in from outside. You are at least three players short because you need at least two prem quality teams in the squad you can call on if you are going to succeed at this level. And Saints dont have that..
Mud and slush??? It's not the 70s any more, get a grip man. The fact is our first XI + 1-2 on the bench are probably top 6-8 material, that we've built in a season and a half. Which isn't that bad, all things considered. Plus we're 9th so hardly miles off where we should/could be. The team yesterday had 6 players missing so was always going to be a struggle against a possible top 4 side who have spent big in the past few seasons. We were very poor compared to the high standards we have played to this season. That's our 1 bad game out the system. Players on the fringes didn't do any favours to themselves, but they have a chance to put that right at Cardiff. No Panic buttons being pressed just yet...
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: REALITY CHECK UST MAYBE AT LAST.. I have never been angrier than I was watching Saints submit to the hated Spurs at home. The team slection inspired no confidence whatever, I was resigned to the loss from that moment on. The point is, if I, a mere fan knows that Foxs Hoolveld and gazzaniga are not prem quality, what n earth must be going through the coach' s head?? And he is on record as saying we dont need reinforcements in January window? He has no experience of the Prem but allow me to tell him where its at. Its a tough season , and never more so when January comes around with the mud and the slush. You will not even keep this team up if you dont get some help in from outside. You are at least three players short because you need at least two prem quality teams in the squad you can call on if you are going to succeed at this level. And Saints dont have that..[/p][/quote]Mud and slush??? It's not the 70s any more, get a grip man. The fact is our first XI + 1-2 on the bench are probably top 6-8 material, that we've built in a season and a half. Which isn't that bad, all things considered. Plus we're 9th so hardly miles off where we should/could be. The team yesterday had 6 players missing so was always going to be a struggle against a possible top 4 side who have spent big in the past few seasons. We were very poor compared to the high standards we have played to this season. That's our 1 bad game out the system. Players on the fringes didn't do any favours to themselves, but they have a chance to put that right at Cardiff. No Panic buttons being pressed just yet... donni1437

9:40am Mon 23 Dec 13

JohnItaly says...

Velleity wrote:
Blimey. It appears, just six posts into this thread that we have:

Osvaldo going back to Italy in January;
A manager who doesn't know that Fox, hoover and Gazza are poor, while all the fans do;
Three new players required as an emergency in January;
Fonte left on the bench without good reason (we all know he's 100% fit);
A board that won't spend money;
A board that will try out championship level players;
Need for a loan player to fix everything;
A load of angry people (which makes people oh, so rational.


What on earth are we doing with professionals at the helm when the club could use you lot?
My comment re Osvaldo returning to Italy was tongue in cheek, however on a more serious note perhaps Osvaldo has fallen foul of NC's high professional standards due to the incident at Newcastle and is currently "out of favour".
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: Blimey. It appears, just six posts into this thread that we have: Osvaldo going back to Italy in January; A manager who doesn't know that Fox, hoover and Gazza are poor, while all the fans do; Three new players required as an emergency in January; Fonte left on the bench without good reason (we all know he's 100% fit); A board that won't spend money; A board that will try out championship level players; Need for a loan player to fix everything; A load of angry people (which makes people oh, so rational. What on earth are we doing with professionals at the helm when the club could use you lot?[/p][/quote]My comment re Osvaldo returning to Italy was tongue in cheek, however on a more serious note perhaps Osvaldo has fallen foul of NC's high professional standards due to the incident at Newcastle and is currently "out of favour". JohnItaly

9:48am Mon 23 Dec 13

markodarko29 says...

why is fonte not playing ,earlier in the season he and lovren formed a great partnership ,how can the manager pick hoolveld the guy is all over the place own goals and gaffs every game, come on mopo sort it out its not rocket science
why is fonte not playing ,earlier in the season he and lovren formed a great partnership ,how can the manager pick hoolveld the guy is all over the place own goals and gaffs every game, come on mopo sort it out its not rocket science markodarko29

9:53am Mon 23 Dec 13

Velleity says...

markodarko29 wrote:
why is fonte not playing ,earlier in the season he and lovren formed a great partnership ,how can the manager pick hoolveld the guy is all over the place own goals and gaffs every game, come on mopo sort it out its not rocket science
Wow. Sounds like you can see what MP can't.

Can you be our manager, please?
[quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: why is fonte not playing ,earlier in the season he and lovren formed a great partnership ,how can the manager pick hoolveld the guy is all over the place own goals and gaffs every game, come on mopo sort it out its not rocket science[/p][/quote]Wow. Sounds like you can see what MP can't. Can you be our manager, please? Velleity

9:55am Mon 23 Dec 13

donni1437 says...

markodarko29 wrote:
why is fonte not playing ,earlier in the season he and lovren formed a great partnership ,how can the manager pick hoolveld the guy is all over the place own goals and gaffs every game, come on mopo sort it out its not rocket science
I assume that he's not fit for 90 mins as can be the only explanation. Hoover came in against Arsenal and did well, but since then hasn't covered himself in glory.
[quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: why is fonte not playing ,earlier in the season he and lovren formed a great partnership ,how can the manager pick hoolveld the guy is all over the place own goals and gaffs every game, come on mopo sort it out its not rocket science[/p][/quote]I assume that he's not fit for 90 mins as can be the only explanation. Hoover came in against Arsenal and did well, but since then hasn't covered himself in glory. donni1437

9:59am Mon 23 Dec 13

THE12THMAN says...

I think the spurs game proves that our squad does not have enough quality for a European campaign, we should maybe concentrate on establishing ourselves in the premiership and building a squad that can cope with injuries.
I think the spurs game proves that our squad does not have enough quality for a European campaign, we should maybe concentrate on establishing ourselves in the premiership and building a squad that can cope with injuries. THE12THMAN

10:00am Mon 23 Dec 13

markodarko29 says...

Velleity wrote:
markodarko29 wrote:
why is fonte not playing ,earlier in the season he and lovren formed a great partnership ,how can the manager pick hoolveld the guy is all over the place own goals and gaffs every game, come on mopo sort it out its not rocket science
Wow. Sounds like you can see what MP can't.

Can you be our manager, please?
so do you think hoolveld should start in front of fonte then
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: why is fonte not playing ,earlier in the season he and lovren formed a great partnership ,how can the manager pick hoolveld the guy is all over the place own goals and gaffs every game, come on mopo sort it out its not rocket science[/p][/quote]Wow. Sounds like you can see what MP can't. Can you be our manager, please?[/p][/quote]so do you think hoolveld should start in front of fonte then markodarko29

10:04am Mon 23 Dec 13

donni1437 says...

JohnItaly wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Blimey. It appears, just six posts into this thread that we have:

Osvaldo going back to Italy in January;
A manager who doesn't know that Fox, hoover and Gazza are poor, while all the fans do;
Three new players required as an emergency in January;
Fonte left on the bench without good reason (we all know he's 100% fit);
A board that won't spend money;
A board that will try out championship level players;
Need for a loan player to fix everything;
A load of angry people (which makes people oh, so rational.


What on earth are we doing with professionals at the helm when the club could use you lot?
My comment re Osvaldo returning to Italy was tongue in cheek, however on a more serious note perhaps Osvaldo has fallen foul of NC's high professional standards due to the incident at Newcastle and is currently "out of favour".
So he was dropped for being a naughty boy? Actually fair play to NC if that is the case. Show's some class.

Has anyone looked at a league 2 table this morning, it'll cheer you up no end, and make you realise that there's always someone worse off than yourself.
[quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: Blimey. It appears, just six posts into this thread that we have: Osvaldo going back to Italy in January; A manager who doesn't know that Fox, hoover and Gazza are poor, while all the fans do; Three new players required as an emergency in January; Fonte left on the bench without good reason (we all know he's 100% fit); A board that won't spend money; A board that will try out championship level players; Need for a loan player to fix everything; A load of angry people (which makes people oh, so rational. What on earth are we doing with professionals at the helm when the club could use you lot?[/p][/quote]My comment re Osvaldo returning to Italy was tongue in cheek, however on a more serious note perhaps Osvaldo has fallen foul of NC's high professional standards due to the incident at Newcastle and is currently "out of favour".[/p][/quote]So he was dropped for being a naughty boy? Actually fair play to NC if that is the case. Show's some class. Has anyone looked at a league 2 table this morning, it'll cheer you up no end, and make you realise that there's always someone worse off than yourself. donni1437

10:06am Mon 23 Dec 13

donni1437 says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
I think the spurs game proves that our squad does not have enough quality for a European campaign, we should maybe concentrate on establishing ourselves in the premiership and building a squad that can cope with injuries.
Some sense at last, well said that man. Rome was not built in a day, and it's decline and fall can't be read in one.
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: I think the spurs game proves that our squad does not have enough quality for a European campaign, we should maybe concentrate on establishing ourselves in the premiership and building a squad that can cope with injuries.[/p][/quote]Some sense at last, well said that man. Rome was not built in a day, and it's decline and fall can't be read in one. donni1437

10:07am Mon 23 Dec 13

Folkestone Saint says...

Datarater wrote:
Seeing Fox and Hoiiveld on the team sheet convinced me before we started we stood no chance. Simple.
Have to agree, they won't let me post what I said when I saw those two in the starting 11, and still feel we would have been better off playing ten men instead of Hoover, you could see on his face he was looking for a hole to hide in, I think he is out of his depth as that was a poor Spurs team we managed to make look good
[quote][p][bold]Datarater[/bold] wrote: Seeing Fox and Hoiiveld on the team sheet convinced me before we started we stood no chance. Simple.[/p][/quote]Have to agree, they won't let me post what I said when I saw those two in the starting 11, and still feel we would have been better off playing ten men instead of Hoover, you could see on his face he was looking for a hole to hide in, I think he is out of his depth as that was a poor Spurs team we managed to make look good Folkestone Saint

10:08am Mon 23 Dec 13

Jesus_02 says...

markodarko29 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
markodarko29 wrote: why is fonte not playing ,earlier in the season he and lovren formed a great partnership ,how can the manager pick hoolveld the guy is all over the place own goals and gaffs every game, come on mopo sort it out its not rocket science
Wow. Sounds like you can see what MP can't. Can you be our manager, please?
so do you think hoolveld should start in front of fonte then
This is what we will be left with if Fonte leaves in Jan.

I hope I am wrong, but it looks like MoPo may have illustrated a few issues on sunday. Fox, really? If this Target is no better than Fox than we need this situation remedied
[quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: why is fonte not playing ,earlier in the season he and lovren formed a great partnership ,how can the manager pick hoolveld the guy is all over the place own goals and gaffs every game, come on mopo sort it out its not rocket science[/p][/quote]Wow. Sounds like you can see what MP can't. Can you be our manager, please?[/p][/quote]so do you think hoolveld should start in front of fonte then[/p][/quote]This is what we will be left with if Fonte leaves in Jan. I hope I am wrong, but it looks like MoPo may have illustrated a few issues on sunday. Fox, really? If this Target is no better than Fox than we need this situation remedied Jesus_02

10:09am Mon 23 Dec 13

donni1437 says...

markodarko29 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
markodarko29 wrote:
why is fonte not playing ,earlier in the season he and lovren formed a great partnership ,how can the manager pick hoolveld the guy is all over the place own goals and gaffs every game, come on mopo sort it out its not rocket science
Wow. Sounds like you can see what MP can't.

Can you be our manager, please?
so do you think hoolveld should start in front of fonte then
If Poch believes that's the correct decision then yes, he sees more than just the 90 mins on the pitch remember. Maybe Fonte is carrying a knock that means he can't play for 90 mins
[quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: why is fonte not playing ,earlier in the season he and lovren formed a great partnership ,how can the manager pick hoolveld the guy is all over the place own goals and gaffs every game, come on mopo sort it out its not rocket science[/p][/quote]Wow. Sounds like you can see what MP can't. Can you be our manager, please?[/p][/quote]so do you think hoolveld should start in front of fonte then[/p][/quote]If Poch believes that's the correct decision then yes, he sees more than just the 90 mins on the pitch remember. Maybe Fonte is carrying a knock that means he can't play for 90 mins donni1437

10:13am Mon 23 Dec 13

donni1437 says...

Folkestone Saint wrote:
Datarater wrote:
Seeing Fox and Hoiiveld on the team sheet convinced me before we started we stood no chance. Simple.
Have to agree, they won't let me post what I said when I saw those two in the starting 11, and still feel we would have been better off playing ten men instead of Hoover, you could see on his face he was looking for a hole to hide in, I think he is out of his depth as that was a poor Spurs team we managed to make look good
So if Poch had started with 10 against spurs we'd all be thanking him today?
[quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Datarater[/bold] wrote: Seeing Fox and Hoiiveld on the team sheet convinced me before we started we stood no chance. Simple.[/p][/quote]Have to agree, they won't let me post what I said when I saw those two in the starting 11, and still feel we would have been better off playing ten men instead of Hoover, you could see on his face he was looking for a hole to hide in, I think he is out of his depth as that was a poor Spurs team we managed to make look good[/p][/quote]So if Poch had started with 10 against spurs we'd all be thanking him today? donni1437

10:13am Mon 23 Dec 13

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

30 mill for shaw,20 mill for the pirate and ramirzez,sorted.
30 mill for shaw,20 mill for the pirate and ramirzez,sorted. WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.

10:15am Mon 23 Dec 13

donni1437 says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
markodarko29 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
markodarko29 wrote: why is fonte not playing ,earlier in the season he and lovren formed a great partnership ,how can the manager pick hoolveld the guy is all over the place own goals and gaffs every game, come on mopo sort it out its not rocket science
Wow. Sounds like you can see what MP can't. Can you be our manager, please?
so do you think hoolveld should start in front of fonte then
This is what we will be left with if Fonte leaves in Jan.

I hope I am wrong, but it looks like MoPo may have illustrated a few issues on sunday. Fox, really? If this Target is no better than Fox than we need this situation remedied
Get your dad to speak to Poch, let him know the score.
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: why is fonte not playing ,earlier in the season he and lovren formed a great partnership ,how can the manager pick hoolveld the guy is all over the place own goals and gaffs every game, come on mopo sort it out its not rocket science[/p][/quote]Wow. Sounds like you can see what MP can't. Can you be our manager, please?[/p][/quote]so do you think hoolveld should start in front of fonte then[/p][/quote]This is what we will be left with if Fonte leaves in Jan. I hope I am wrong, but it looks like MoPo may have illustrated a few issues on sunday. Fox, really? If this Target is no better than Fox than we need this situation remedied[/p][/quote]Get your dad to speak to Poch, let him know the score. donni1437

10:21am Mon 23 Dec 13

dean69 says...

before the game yesterday. A mate of mine was placing some bets on his phone. I asked him what the odds are on hoolveld scoring an own goal. Say no more. Fox was at fault for the other 2.
before the game yesterday. A mate of mine was placing some bets on his phone. I asked him what the odds are on hoolveld scoring an own goal. Say no more. Fox was at fault for the other 2. dean69

10:21am Mon 23 Dec 13

derry says...

Fonte has an ankle problem, not fully fit.
Fonte has an ankle problem, not fully fit. derry

10:23am Mon 23 Dec 13

Clever Dick says...

Velleity wrote:
Blimey. It appears, just six posts into this thread that we have:

Osvaldo going back to Italy in January;
A manager who doesn't know that Fox, hoover and Gazza are poor, while all the fans do;
Three new players required as an emergency in January;
Fonte left on the bench without good reason (we all know he's 100% fit);
A board that won't spend money;
A board that will try out championship level players;
Need for a loan player to fix everything;
A load of angry people (which makes people oh, so rational.


What on earth are we doing with professionals at the helm when the club could use you lot?
And a partridge in a pear tree!
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: Blimey. It appears, just six posts into this thread that we have: Osvaldo going back to Italy in January; A manager who doesn't know that Fox, hoover and Gazza are poor, while all the fans do; Three new players required as an emergency in January; Fonte left on the bench without good reason (we all know he's 100% fit); A board that won't spend money; A board that will try out championship level players; Need for a loan player to fix everything; A load of angry people (which makes people oh, so rational. What on earth are we doing with professionals at the helm when the club could use you lot?[/p][/quote]And a partridge in a pear tree! Clever Dick

10:23am Mon 23 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Datarater wrote:
Seeing Fox and Hoiiveld on the team sheet convinced me before we started we stood no chance. Simple.
That may be part of the problem, when the team was read out to the crowd, you could feel the mood change perceptibly, it was if all belief was lost before the game and without the backing of the twelth man, the team let their heads drop, with the inevitable result, you can blame the players, but they were not the only ones at fault in my opinion. We have been spoilt by a bit of success and now the chips are down you are all starting to behave like spoilt kids that can't get their way, man up, move on, when the best XI is up and running fit, the results will improve, but not without our full support.
[quote][p][bold]Datarater[/bold] wrote: Seeing Fox and Hoiiveld on the team sheet convinced me before we started we stood no chance. Simple.[/p][/quote]That may be part of the problem, when the team was read out to the crowd, you could feel the mood change perceptibly, it was if all belief was lost before the game and without the backing of the twelth man, the team let their heads drop, with the inevitable result, you can blame the players, but they were not the only ones at fault in my opinion. We have been spoilt by a bit of success and now the chips are down you are all starting to behave like spoilt kids that can't get their way, man up, move on, when the best XI is up and running fit, the results will improve, but not without our full support. OSPREYSAINT

10:29am Mon 23 Dec 13

Folkestone Saint says...

donni1437 wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
Datarater wrote:
Seeing Fox and Hoiiveld on the team sheet convinced me before we started we stood no chance. Simple.
Have to agree, they won't let me post what I said when I saw those two in the starting 11, and still feel we would have been better off playing ten men instead of Hoover, you could see on his face he was looking for a hole to hide in, I think he is out of his depth as that was a poor Spurs team we managed to make look good
So if Poch had started with 10 against spurs we'd all be thanking him today?
Thankyou for you "in-put" and of course the answer is no, but I am not thanking him BECAUSE he played him either , what I was suggesting is that he was such a liability that had he not been on the pitch we would have been better off as his positioning and genral input was woefull. What is YOUR opinion on his display yesterday donni?
[quote][p][bold]donni1437[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Datarater[/bold] wrote: Seeing Fox and Hoiiveld on the team sheet convinced me before we started we stood no chance. Simple.[/p][/quote]Have to agree, they won't let me post what I said when I saw those two in the starting 11, and still feel we would have been better off playing ten men instead of Hoover, you could see on his face he was looking for a hole to hide in, I think he is out of his depth as that was a poor Spurs team we managed to make look good[/p][/quote]So if Poch had started with 10 against spurs we'd all be thanking him today?[/p][/quote]Thankyou for you "in-put" and of course the answer is no, but I am not thanking him BECAUSE he played him either , what I was suggesting is that he was such a liability that had he not been on the pitch we would have been better off as his positioning and genral input was woefull. What is YOUR opinion on his display yesterday donni? Folkestone Saint

10:35am Mon 23 Dec 13

only1chopper says...

I agree and disagree with the above comments. Firstly, yes, fox and Hoover are not good enough, but we have to play with what we have got, shaw is only 18 and probably needs a rest here and there, fonte is obviously carrying a knock, so Hoover or yoshida, hmmm, tough choice!
I think our younger wide players should be brought into the squad more and get some game time, gives us another outlet instead of relying on Adam all the time.
SRL and osvaldo are not gelling and each wants to play up front on their own.
Goalkeeping, that was just unfortunate with both keepers being injured at the same time, so I think a loan signing between the sticks is a priority.
Maybe give young jack Stephens a go in central defence a go, he can't play any worse than our other 2!
I think we just need a clear out in the summer, I doubt it will happen in January, too expensive, and maybe a couple of loan signings should see us through.
These are just my feelings, I fcuking love the saints and will support them till my dying day. 9th in prem table, I am happy with that.
I agree and disagree with the above comments. Firstly, yes, fox and Hoover are not good enough, but we have to play with what we have got, shaw is only 18 and probably needs a rest here and there, fonte is obviously carrying a knock, so Hoover or yoshida, hmmm, tough choice! I think our younger wide players should be brought into the squad more and get some game time, gives us another outlet instead of relying on Adam all the time. SRL and osvaldo are not gelling and each wants to play up front on their own. Goalkeeping, that was just unfortunate with both keepers being injured at the same time, so I think a loan signing between the sticks is a priority. Maybe give young jack Stephens a go in central defence a go, he can't play any worse than our other 2! I think we just need a clear out in the summer, I doubt it will happen in January, too expensive, and maybe a couple of loan signings should see us through. These are just my feelings, I fcuking love the saints and will support them till my dying day. 9th in prem table, I am happy with that. only1chopper

11:01am Mon 23 Dec 13

CB FRY LIVES says...

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
30 mill for shaw,20 mill for the pirate and ramirzez,sorted.
50 million for shaw in the summer plus LUKAKU and Ryan Bertrand.
If Shaw wants to go to chelski Cortese must play hardball with Abramovich.
[quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: 30 mill for shaw,20 mill for the pirate and ramirzez,sorted.[/p][/quote]50 million for shaw in the summer plus LUKAKU and Ryan Bertrand. If Shaw wants to go to chelski Cortese must play hardball with Abramovich. CB FRY LIVES

11:17am Mon 23 Dec 13

THE12THMAN says...

CB FRY LIVES wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
30 mill for shaw,20 mill for the pirate and ramirzez,sorted.
50 million for shaw in the summer plus LUKAKU and Ryan Bertrand.
If Shaw wants to go to chelski Cortese must play hardball with Abramovich.
that sounds like a good deal to me!
[quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: 30 mill for shaw,20 mill for the pirate and ramirzez,sorted.[/p][/quote]50 million for shaw in the summer plus LUKAKU and Ryan Bertrand. If Shaw wants to go to chelski Cortese must play hardball with Abramovich.[/p][/quote]that sounds like a good deal to me! THE12THMAN

11:23am Mon 23 Dec 13

Clever Dick says...

CB FRY LIVES wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
30 mill for shaw,20 mill for the pirate and ramirzez,sorted.
50 million for shaw in the summer plus LUKAKU and Ryan Bertrand.
If Shaw wants to go to chelski Cortese must play hardball with Abramovich.
I think we can rely on Nicola to do just that.
[quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: 30 mill for shaw,20 mill for the pirate and ramirzez,sorted.[/p][/quote]50 million for shaw in the summer plus LUKAKU and Ryan Bertrand. If Shaw wants to go to chelski Cortese must play hardball with Abramovich.[/p][/quote]I think we can rely on Nicola to do just that. Clever Dick

11:38am Mon 23 Dec 13

up saints says...

lets face villa match was bad spurs match tops that..drop gazza and hoover for the cardiff match or game over before kick off.
lets face villa match was bad spurs match tops that..drop gazza and hoover for the cardiff match or game over before kick off. up saints

11:45am Mon 23 Dec 13

Rising_Son says...

up saints wrote:
lets face villa match was bad spurs match tops that..drop gazza and hoover for the cardiff match or game over before kick off.
And who will you put in there place?
[quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: lets face villa match was bad spurs match tops that..drop gazza and hoover for the cardiff match or game over before kick off.[/p][/quote]And who will you put in there place? Rising_Son

11:48am Mon 23 Dec 13

Velleity says...

markodarko29 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
markodarko29 wrote:
why is fonte not playing ,earlier in the season he and lovren formed a great partnership ,how can the manager pick hoolveld the guy is all over the place own goals and gaffs every game, come on mopo sort it out its not rocket science
Wow. Sounds like you can see what MP can't.

Can you be our manager, please?
so do you think hoolveld should start in front of fonte then
Obviously not. What a daft question; you're ignoring a rather important point as to why he must have made that decision.

So, to clarify, I don't think he should start Hoover in front of Fonte. Or Gazza in front of Artur. Or Chambers in front of Clyne. Or Fox in front of Shaw.

However, every single one of those choices is as a result of injury to the first choice.

Before you spout off about Fonte being on the bench, I suspect he was there as an absolute last resort. Either he's injured or MP is a twit. You tell me which you think is more likely.
[quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: why is fonte not playing ,earlier in the season he and lovren formed a great partnership ,how can the manager pick hoolveld the guy is all over the place own goals and gaffs every game, come on mopo sort it out its not rocket science[/p][/quote]Wow. Sounds like you can see what MP can't. Can you be our manager, please?[/p][/quote]so do you think hoolveld should start in front of fonte then[/p][/quote]Obviously not. What a daft question; you're ignoring a rather important point as to why he must have made that decision. So, to clarify, I don't think he should start Hoover in front of Fonte. Or Gazza in front of Artur. Or Chambers in front of Clyne. Or Fox in front of Shaw. However, every single one of those choices is as a result of injury to the first choice. Before you spout off about Fonte being on the bench, I suspect he was there as an absolute last resort. Either he's injured or MP is a twit. You tell me which you think is more likely. Velleity

11:50am Mon 23 Dec 13

Velleity says...

Rising_Son wrote:
up saints wrote:
lets face villa match was bad spurs match tops that..drop gazza and hoover for the cardiff match or game over before kick off.
And who will you put in there place?
Apparently (based on NO FACTS WHATSOEVER) Cody Cropper is our saviour. And, of course, Fonte's injury can be magicked away by Santa.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: lets face villa match was bad spurs match tops that..drop gazza and hoover for the cardiff match or game over before kick off.[/p][/quote]And who will you put in there place?[/p][/quote]Apparently (based on NO FACTS WHATSOEVER) Cody Cropper is our saviour. And, of course, Fonte's injury can be magicked away by Santa. Velleity

11:51am Mon 23 Dec 13

Confucious says...

Mmmmm..looks like there are more Saints customers on here today than there are Saints supporters. No surprise - a bad result seems to bring them out.
Mmmmm..looks like there are more Saints customers on here today than there are Saints supporters. No surprise - a bad result seems to bring them out. Confucious

11:54am Mon 23 Dec 13

markodarko29 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
up saints wrote:
lets face villa match was bad spurs match tops that..drop gazza and hoover for the cardiff match or game over before kick off.
And who will you put in there place?
oh hold on this is a difficult one ,what about the player for the first ten games of the season was one of the best players we had ,fonte wasted on the bench at present,much more reliable than clamity jos ,think in goal were stuffed thoe
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: lets face villa match was bad spurs match tops that..drop gazza and hoover for the cardiff match or game over before kick off.[/p][/quote]And who will you put in there place?[/p][/quote]oh hold on this is a difficult one ,what about the player for the first ten games of the season was one of the best players we had ,fonte wasted on the bench at present,much more reliable than clamity jos ,think in goal were stuffed thoe markodarko29

11:57am Mon 23 Dec 13

rossofficial10 says...

donni1437 wrote:
markodarko29 wrote:
why is fonte not playing ,earlier in the season he and lovren formed a great partnership ,how can the manager pick hoolveld the guy is all over the place own goals and gaffs every game, come on mopo sort it out its not rocket science
I assume that he's not fit for 90 mins as can be the only explanation. Hoover came in against Arsenal and did well, but since then hasn't covered himself in glory.
id rather have an unfit fonte than hooiveld!! would u?
[quote][p][bold]donni1437[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: why is fonte not playing ,earlier in the season he and lovren formed a great partnership ,how can the manager pick hoolveld the guy is all over the place own goals and gaffs every game, come on mopo sort it out its not rocket science[/p][/quote]I assume that he's not fit for 90 mins as can be the only explanation. Hoover came in against Arsenal and did well, but since then hasn't covered himself in glory.[/p][/quote]id rather have an unfit fonte than hooiveld!! would u? rossofficial10

11:59am Mon 23 Dec 13

up saints says...

Velleity wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
up saints wrote:
lets face villa match was bad spurs match tops that..drop gazza and hoover for the cardiff match or game over before kick off.
And who will you put in there place?
Apparently (based on NO FACTS WHATSOEVER) Cody Cropper is our saviour. And, of course, Fonte's injury can be magicked away by Santa.
easy fonte and if he is not fit should not even be on the bench.lets face it cody cropper is worth a go.even a one handed boruc nothing againts gazza but he needs to go out on loan
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: lets face villa match was bad spurs match tops that..drop gazza and hoover for the cardiff match or game over before kick off.[/p][/quote]And who will you put in there place?[/p][/quote]Apparently (based on NO FACTS WHATSOEVER) Cody Cropper is our saviour. And, of course, Fonte's injury can be magicked away by Santa.[/p][/quote]easy fonte and if he is not fit should not even be on the bench.lets face it cody cropper is worth a go.even a one handed boruc nothing againts gazza but he needs to go out on loan up saints

12:00pm Mon 23 Dec 13

markodarko29 says...

Velleity wrote:
markodarko29 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
markodarko29 wrote:
why is fonte not playing ,earlier in the season he and lovren formed a great partnership ,how can the manager pick hoolveld the guy is all over the place own goals and gaffs every game, come on mopo sort it out its not rocket science
Wow. Sounds like you can see what MP can't.

Can you be our manager, please?
so do you think hoolveld should start in front of fonte then
Obviously not. What a daft question; you're ignoring a rather important point as to why he must have made that decision.

So, to clarify, I don't think he should start Hoover in front of Fonte. Or Gazza in front of Artur. Or Chambers in front of Clyne. Or Fox in front of Shaw.

However, every single one of those choices is as a result of injury to the first choice.

Before you spout off about Fonte being on the bench, I suspect he was there as an absolute last resort. Either he's injured or MP is a twit. You tell me which you think is more likely.
no i dont think mopo is a twit but its been quite a few games now were fonte has been on the bench surely if he was that injured he wouldnt make the bench it also goes to show that in reserve we are found wanting
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: why is fonte not playing ,earlier in the season he and lovren formed a great partnership ,how can the manager pick hoolveld the guy is all over the place own goals and gaffs every game, come on mopo sort it out its not rocket science[/p][/quote]Wow. Sounds like you can see what MP can't. Can you be our manager, please?[/p][/quote]so do you think hoolveld should start in front of fonte then[/p][/quote]Obviously not. What a daft question; you're ignoring a rather important point as to why he must have made that decision. So, to clarify, I don't think he should start Hoover in front of Fonte. Or Gazza in front of Artur. Or Chambers in front of Clyne. Or Fox in front of Shaw. However, every single one of those choices is as a result of injury to the first choice. Before you spout off about Fonte being on the bench, I suspect he was there as an absolute last resort. Either he's injured or MP is a twit. You tell me which you think is more likely.[/p][/quote]no i dont think mopo is a twit but its been quite a few games now were fonte has been on the bench surely if he was that injured he wouldnt make the bench it also goes to show that in reserve we are found wanting markodarko29

12:01pm Mon 23 Dec 13

el caballo santos101 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
up saints wrote:
lets face villa match was bad spurs match tops that..drop gazza and hoover for the cardiff match or game over before kick off.
And who will you put in there place?
some of our fans really must patent the magic healing gel that they are going to use on our players. if that doesn't work at least the rest of the squad will go into the next few games with the knowledge that they have the full support of the fans! the fans who are `upset and angry` that we are not in or challenging the top 4 with our 2nd ad 3rd choice players. I think I can see their point, oh no I cant.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: lets face villa match was bad spurs match tops that..drop gazza and hoover for the cardiff match or game over before kick off.[/p][/quote]And who will you put in there place?[/p][/quote]some of our fans really must patent the magic healing gel that they are going to use on our players. if that doesn't work at least the rest of the squad will go into the next few games with the knowledge that they have the full support of the fans! the fans who are `upset and angry` that we are not in or challenging the top 4 with our 2nd ad 3rd choice players. I think I can see their point, oh no I cant. el caballo santos101

12:03pm Mon 23 Dec 13

rossofficial10 says...

Confucious wrote:
Mmmmm..looks like there are more Saints customers on here today than there are Saints supporters. No surprise - a bad result seems to bring them out.
we are all losing patience with poch team selections
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Mmmmm..looks like there are more Saints customers on here today than there are Saints supporters. No surprise - a bad result seems to bring them out.[/p][/quote]we are all losing patience with poch team selections rossofficial10

12:04pm Mon 23 Dec 13

JohnItaly says...

Confucious wrote:
Mmmmm..looks like there are more Saints customers on here today than there are Saints supporters. No surprise - a bad result seems to bring them out.
Wish it was A result, unfortunately it has been a string of bad results. Remember it is 2 points from 18.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Mmmmm..looks like there are more Saints customers on here today than there are Saints supporters. No surprise - a bad result seems to bring them out.[/p][/quote]Wish it was A result, unfortunately it has been a string of bad results. Remember it is 2 points from 18. JohnItaly

12:05pm Mon 23 Dec 13

rossofficial10 says...

JohnItaly wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Mmmmm..looks like there are more Saints customers on here today than there are Saints supporters. No surprise - a bad result seems to bring them out.
Wish it was A result, unfortunately it has been a string of bad results. Remember it is 2 points from 18.
at first we wanted the top 7 finish, now looking at a midtable finish thanks to a crap defense.

we must get reinforcements
[quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Mmmmm..looks like there are more Saints customers on here today than there are Saints supporters. No surprise - a bad result seems to bring them out.[/p][/quote]Wish it was A result, unfortunately it has been a string of bad results. Remember it is 2 points from 18.[/p][/quote]at first we wanted the top 7 finish, now looking at a midtable finish thanks to a crap defense. we must get reinforcements rossofficial10

12:11pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Velleity says...

rossofficial10 wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Mmmmm..looks like there are more Saints customers on here today than there are Saints supporters. No surprise - a bad result seems to bring them out.
we are all losing patience with poch team selections
Whom would you have picked? Rather than WHINING, why not be positive and pick a better team?

However, here's the hard part. Pick your selection from the fit players, the way MP has had to. You can't magic Fonte back to full fitness, or Shaw, or Clyne, or Wanyama, or Boruc, or Davis. So, what's your starting line up that's better than yesterday's?
[quote][p][bold]rossofficial10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Mmmmm..looks like there are more Saints customers on here today than there are Saints supporters. No surprise - a bad result seems to bring them out.[/p][/quote]we are all losing patience with poch team selections[/p][/quote]Whom would you have picked? Rather than WHINING, why not be positive and pick a better team? However, here's the hard part. Pick your selection from the fit players, the way MP has had to. You can't magic Fonte back to full fitness, or Shaw, or Clyne, or Wanyama, or Boruc, or Davis. So, what's your starting line up that's better than yesterday's? Velleity

12:11pm Mon 23 Dec 13

rossofficial10 says...

most of us saints fans on here are ambitious and want a top 5-7 finish which we were on course for but thanks to poch's silly team selections we are now looking at a finish like last season. probs 13-14th

theres a small majority of fans on here who think we dont need any signings and gazza and hoover is the best thing since slice bread and are happy just to finish above the relegation zone every season.

Be ambitious for f sake!!!
most of us saints fans on here are ambitious and want a top 5-7 finish which we were on course for but thanks to poch's silly team selections we are now looking at a finish like last season. probs 13-14th theres a small majority of fans on here who think we dont need any signings and gazza and hoover is the best thing since slice bread and are happy just to finish above the relegation zone every season. Be ambitious for f sake!!! rossofficial10

12:16pm Mon 23 Dec 13

up saints says...

rossofficial10 wrote:
most of us saints fans on here are ambitious and want a top 5-7 finish which we were on course for but thanks to poch's silly team selections we are now looking at a finish like last season. probs 13-14th

theres a small majority of fans on here who think we dont need any signings and gazza and hoover is the best thing since slice bread and are happy just to finish above the relegation zone every season.

Be ambitious for f sake!!!
this post is spot on
[quote][p][bold]rossofficial10[/bold] wrote: most of us saints fans on here are ambitious and want a top 5-7 finish which we were on course for but thanks to poch's silly team selections we are now looking at a finish like last season. probs 13-14th theres a small majority of fans on here who think we dont need any signings and gazza and hoover is the best thing since slice bread and are happy just to finish above the relegation zone every season. Be ambitious for f sake!!![/p][/quote]this post is spot on up saints

12:19pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Rising_Son says...

up saints wrote:
rossofficial10 wrote:
most of us saints fans on here are ambitious and want a top 5-7 finish which we were on course for but thanks to poch's silly team selections we are now looking at a finish like last season. probs 13-14th

theres a small majority of fans on here who think we dont need any signings and gazza and hoover is the best thing since slice bread and are happy just to finish above the relegation zone every season.

Be ambitious for f sake!!!
this post is spot on
And who would you put in their place?
[quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rossofficial10[/bold] wrote: most of us saints fans on here are ambitious and want a top 5-7 finish which we were on course for but thanks to poch's silly team selections we are now looking at a finish like last season. probs 13-14th theres a small majority of fans on here who think we dont need any signings and gazza and hoover is the best thing since slice bread and are happy just to finish above the relegation zone every season. Be ambitious for f sake!!![/p][/quote]this post is spot on[/p][/quote]And who would you put in their place? Rising_Son

12:19pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Velleity says...

rossofficial10 wrote:
most of us saints fans on here are ambitious and want a top 5-7 finish which we were on course for but thanks to poch's silly team selections we are now looking at a finish like last season. probs 13-14th

theres a small majority of fans on here who think we dont need any signings and gazza and hoover is the best thing since slice bread and are happy just to finish above the relegation zone every season.

Be ambitious for f sake!!!
Point out any post by anyone who has said that Gazza and Hoover are good?

You DON'T want us to finish top 5-7; you're happier when you're whining.
[quote][p][bold]rossofficial10[/bold] wrote: most of us saints fans on here are ambitious and want a top 5-7 finish which we were on course for but thanks to poch's silly team selections we are now looking at a finish like last season. probs 13-14th theres a small majority of fans on here who think we dont need any signings and gazza and hoover is the best thing since slice bread and are happy just to finish above the relegation zone every season. Be ambitious for f sake!!![/p][/quote]Point out any post by anyone who has said that Gazza and Hoover are good? You DON'T want us to finish top 5-7; you're happier when you're whining. Velleity

12:23pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Positive Saints says...

montecristosaint wrote:
REALITY CHECK UST MAYBE AT LAST..

I have never been angrier than I was watching Saints submit to the hated Spurs at home. The team slection inspired no confidence whatever, I was resigned to the loss from that moment on. The point is, if I, a mere fan knows that Foxs Hoolveld and gazzaniga are not prem quality, what n earth must be going through the coach' s head?? And he is on record as saying we dont need reinforcements in January window? He has no experience of the Prem but allow me to tell him where its at. Its a tough season , and never more so when January comes around with the mud and the slush. You will not even keep this team up if you dont get some help in from outside. You are at least three players short because you need at least two prem quality teams in the squad you can call on if you are going to succeed at this level. And Saints dont have that..
Whilst I agree with you that some of the squad players are not taking their opportunity to get more game time with Saints, the bottom line is we do not have any other options when injuries and suspensions kick in.

Fox has no positional sense at all and we should look to either play him in midfield or transfer list him, sorry Danny, you are not good enough. If we do not have any other up and coming left backs in are academy ready for first team football, a steady eddie left back is a must for January.

I think if we had our first or second choice goalkeepers in the team, we may be getting away with the odd mistakes squad players like Hoolveid is making. It looks like if Fonte is not fit for Cardiff, Yoshida must be given a run of games to prove his worth again, noting he had a stinker against Villa.

We need to get Boruc or Davis back and fit asap. Any potential Gazzaniga has will be ruined by his dent in confidence by conceding soft goals, see Joe Hart for detais.

Every club has a dip in form, I am disappointed with the performance on Sunday but it is only because we have key players out.

Keep the faith and fingers crossed for a speedy return to fitness for Boruc, Fonte, Wanyam and Shaw.
[quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: REALITY CHECK UST MAYBE AT LAST.. I have never been angrier than I was watching Saints submit to the hated Spurs at home. The team slection inspired no confidence whatever, I was resigned to the loss from that moment on. The point is, if I, a mere fan knows that Foxs Hoolveld and gazzaniga are not prem quality, what n earth must be going through the coach' s head?? And he is on record as saying we dont need reinforcements in January window? He has no experience of the Prem but allow me to tell him where its at. Its a tough season , and never more so when January comes around with the mud and the slush. You will not even keep this team up if you dont get some help in from outside. You are at least three players short because you need at least two prem quality teams in the squad you can call on if you are going to succeed at this level. And Saints dont have that..[/p][/quote]Whilst I agree with you that some of the squad players are not taking their opportunity to get more game time with Saints, the bottom line is we do not have any other options when injuries and suspensions kick in. Fox has no positional sense at all and we should look to either play him in midfield or transfer list him, sorry Danny, you are not good enough. If we do not have any other up and coming left backs in are academy ready for first team football, a steady eddie left back is a must for January. I think if we had our first or second choice goalkeepers in the team, we may be getting away with the odd mistakes squad players like Hoolveid is making. It looks like if Fonte is not fit for Cardiff, Yoshida must be given a run of games to prove his worth again, noting he had a stinker against Villa. We need to get Boruc or Davis back and fit asap. Any potential Gazzaniga has will be ruined by his dent in confidence by conceding soft goals, see Joe Hart for detais. Every club has a dip in form, I am disappointed with the performance on Sunday but it is only because we have key players out. Keep the faith and fingers crossed for a speedy return to fitness for Boruc, Fonte, Wanyam and Shaw. Positive Saints

12:34pm Mon 23 Dec 13

el caballo santos101 says...

rossofficial10 wrote:
most of us saints fans on here are ambitious and want a top 5-7 finish which we were on course for but thanks to poch's silly team selections we are now looking at a finish like last season. probs 13-14th

theres a small majority of fans on here who think we dont need any signings and gazza and hoover is the best thing since slice bread and are happy just to finish above the relegation zone every season.

Be ambitious for f sake!!!
that's got to be the most idiotic elf centred rubbish I have ever had the misfortune to read on here.
most of the fans who post on here are regulars posters who turn up win lose o draw. we are realistic and said pre-season that a top 10 finish would be good this year but still hoped for higher. to suggest we should be top 5 is vey ambitious for a team in its 2nd year back in the prem!
MP`s selections are just silly? either that or forced due to injuries you fool. no one has said hoover is great or good but he is what we have fit so has to play. I don't think anyone has said that we don't need any signings either, what people have said is that we need our first team back fit! if you really think there are any fans who would be happy for us to finish just above the relegation zone every year then your even more deluded than your posts suggest.
you have as yet failed to say who you would have picked yesterday. please inform us of your insightful selections. remember you can pick unfit players and untried `kids` are a big gamble.
[quote][p][bold]rossofficial10[/bold] wrote: most of us saints fans on here are ambitious and want a top 5-7 finish which we were on course for but thanks to poch's silly team selections we are now looking at a finish like last season. probs 13-14th theres a small majority of fans on here who think we dont need any signings and gazza and hoover is the best thing since slice bread and are happy just to finish above the relegation zone every season. Be ambitious for f sake!!![/p][/quote]that's got to be the most idiotic elf centred rubbish I have ever had the misfortune to read on here. most of the fans who post on here are regulars posters who turn up win lose o draw. we are realistic and said pre-season that a top 10 finish would be good this year but still hoped for higher. to suggest we should be top 5 is vey ambitious for a team in its 2nd year back in the prem! MP`s selections are just silly? either that or forced due to injuries you fool. no one has said hoover is great or good but he is what we have fit so has to play. I don't think anyone has said that we don't need any signings either, what people have said is that we need our first team back fit! if you really think there are any fans who would be happy for us to finish just above the relegation zone every year then your even more deluded than your posts suggest. you have as yet failed to say who you would have picked yesterday. please inform us of your insightful selections. remember you can pick unfit players and untried `kids` are a big gamble. el caballo santos101

1:03pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Shrewdsaint says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
rossofficial10 wrote:
most of us saints fans on here are ambitious and want a top 5-7 finish which we were on course for but thanks to poch's silly team selections we are now looking at a finish like last season. probs 13-14th

theres a small majority of fans on here who think we dont need any signings and gazza and hoover is the best thing since slice bread and are happy just to finish above the relegation zone every season.

Be ambitious for f sake!!!
that's got to be the most idiotic elf centred rubbish I have ever had the misfortune to read on here.
most of the fans who post on here are regulars posters who turn up win lose o draw. we are realistic and said pre-season that a top 10 finish would be good this year but still hoped for higher. to suggest we should be top 5 is vey ambitious for a team in its 2nd year back in the prem!
MP`s selections are just silly? either that or forced due to injuries you fool. no one has said hoover is great or good but he is what we have fit so has to play. I don't think anyone has said that we don't need any signings either, what people have said is that we need our first team back fit! if you really think there are any fans who would be happy for us to finish just above the relegation zone every year then your even more deluded than your posts suggest.
you have as yet failed to say who you would have picked yesterday. please inform us of your insightful selections. remember you can pick unfit players and untried `kids` are a big gamble.
Spot on. I think I'm a typical optimistic/ambitious fan so much so that I put a tenner on us to finish in the top 4 at 100-1 at the start of the season (the odds dropped to 12-1 before the Arsenal game). But I'm realistic enough to know a top ten finish this year is progress and can see the future is bright if we continue on our current path.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rossofficial10[/bold] wrote: most of us saints fans on here are ambitious and want a top 5-7 finish which we were on course for but thanks to poch's silly team selections we are now looking at a finish like last season. probs 13-14th theres a small majority of fans on here who think we dont need any signings and gazza and hoover is the best thing since slice bread and are happy just to finish above the relegation zone every season. Be ambitious for f sake!!![/p][/quote]that's got to be the most idiotic elf centred rubbish I have ever had the misfortune to read on here. most of the fans who post on here are regulars posters who turn up win lose o draw. we are realistic and said pre-season that a top 10 finish would be good this year but still hoped for higher. to suggest we should be top 5 is vey ambitious for a team in its 2nd year back in the prem! MP`s selections are just silly? either that or forced due to injuries you fool. no one has said hoover is great or good but he is what we have fit so has to play. I don't think anyone has said that we don't need any signings either, what people have said is that we need our first team back fit! if you really think there are any fans who would be happy for us to finish just above the relegation zone every year then your even more deluded than your posts suggest. you have as yet failed to say who you would have picked yesterday. please inform us of your insightful selections. remember you can pick unfit players and untried `kids` are a big gamble.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I think I'm a typical optimistic/ambitious fan so much so that I put a tenner on us to finish in the top 4 at 100-1 at the start of the season (the odds dropped to 12-1 before the Arsenal game). But I'm realistic enough to know a top ten finish this year is progress and can see the future is bright if we continue on our current path. Shrewdsaint

1:13pm Mon 23 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

rossofficial10 wrote:
donni1437 wrote:
markodarko29 wrote:
why is fonte not playing ,earlier in the season he and lovren formed a great partnership ,how can the manager pick hoolveld the guy is all over the place own goals and gaffs every game, come on mopo sort it out its not rocket science
I assume that he's not fit for 90 mins as can be the only explanation. Hoover came in against Arsenal and did well, but since then hasn't covered himself in glory.
id rather have an unfit fonte than hooiveld!! would u?
Not if it aggravated the problem and terminated his career, if you want martyrs try elsewhere.
[quote][p][bold]rossofficial10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]donni1437[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: why is fonte not playing ,earlier in the season he and lovren formed a great partnership ,how can the manager pick hoolveld the guy is all over the place own goals and gaffs every game, come on mopo sort it out its not rocket science[/p][/quote]I assume that he's not fit for 90 mins as can be the only explanation. Hoover came in against Arsenal and did well, but since then hasn't covered himself in glory.[/p][/quote]id rather have an unfit fonte than hooiveld!! would u?[/p][/quote]Not if it aggravated the problem and terminated his career, if you want martyrs try elsewhere. OSPREYSAINT

1:21pm Mon 23 Dec 13

angus mc coatup says...

rossofficial10 wrote:
most of us saints fans on here are ambitious and want a top 5-7 finish which we were on course for but thanks to poch's silly team selections we are now looking at a finish like last season. probs 13-14th

theres a small majority of fans on here who think we dont need any signings and gazza and hoover is the best thing since slice bread and are happy just to finish above the relegation zone every season.

Be ambitious for f sake!!!
would that be the same "silly team selections" that got us into third spot.
[quote][p][bold]rossofficial10[/bold] wrote: most of us saints fans on here are ambitious and want a top 5-7 finish which we were on course for but thanks to poch's silly team selections we are now looking at a finish like last season. probs 13-14th theres a small majority of fans on here who think we dont need any signings and gazza and hoover is the best thing since slice bread and are happy just to finish above the relegation zone every season. Be ambitious for f sake!!![/p][/quote]would that be the same "silly team selections" that got us into third spot. angus mc coatup

1:26pm Mon 23 Dec 13

THE12THMAN says...

rossofficial10 wrote:
donni1437 wrote:
markodarko29 wrote:
why is fonte not playing ,earlier in the season he and lovren formed a great partnership ,how can the manager pick hoolveld the guy is all over the place own goals and gaffs every game, come on mopo sort it out its not rocket science
I assume that he's not fit for 90 mins as can be the only explanation. Hoover came in against Arsenal and did well, but since then hasn't covered himself in glory.
id rather have an unfit fonte than hooiveld!! would u?
The only problem with that statement is that you may end up with a very unfit Fonte if he aggravates his injury.
[quote][p][bold]rossofficial10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]donni1437[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: why is fonte not playing ,earlier in the season he and lovren formed a great partnership ,how can the manager pick hoolveld the guy is all over the place own goals and gaffs every game, come on mopo sort it out its not rocket science[/p][/quote]I assume that he's not fit for 90 mins as can be the only explanation. Hoover came in against Arsenal and did well, but since then hasn't covered himself in glory.[/p][/quote]id rather have an unfit fonte than hooiveld!! would u?[/p][/quote]The only problem with that statement is that you may end up with a very unfit Fonte if he aggravates his injury. THE12THMAN

1:30pm Mon 23 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Our nemesis on Sunday was Emmanuel Adebayor, apparently AVB didn't like him and he had to train away from the rest of the squad, his performance was a point maker, pity he chose our game to do it.
Our nemesis on Sunday was Emmanuel Adebayor, apparently AVB didn't like him and he had to train away from the rest of the squad, his performance was a point maker, pity he chose our game to do it. OSPREYSAINT

1:35pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Golden_Salamander says...

About 15mins into the 2nd half Jose was warming up along the touchline, after a couple of mins he returned to the technical area and shook his head from side to side and then returned to his seat.
Pochettino then looked at the ground and appeared to be deep in thought, weighing up his choices.

My reading of that is MP asked JF if he could give him 30mins but the player said he was still feeling his injury.
About 15mins into the 2nd half Jose was warming up along the touchline, after a couple of mins he returned to the technical area and shook his head from side to side and then returned to his seat. Pochettino then looked at the ground and appeared to be deep in thought, weighing up his choices. My reading of that is MP asked JF if he could give him 30mins but the player said he was still feeling his injury. Golden_Salamander

1:36pm Mon 23 Dec 13

redsnapper says...

Without wanting to state the bl*****ing obvious it is clear that the style of play will bring injuries but breakages to Vic and Artur are sheer bad luck.

I suspect management gambled the selection against Spurs to give us a stronger squad for Everton and Chelsea.

Take the rough with the smooth and Support the Saints!!
Without wanting to state the bl*****ing obvious it is clear that the style of play will bring injuries but breakages to Vic and Artur are sheer bad luck. I suspect management gambled the selection against Spurs to give us a stronger squad for Everton and Chelsea. Take the rough with the smooth and Support the Saints!! redsnapper

1:40pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Little Hitler says...

This thread is utterly miserable.

I was totally pi$$ed off at the result yesterday but it was more at the situation we find ourselves in (injuries) than the score itself.

I'd rather we suffer when short of players than rush out spending money we don't have on players we don't want in the long term. That's the beginning of the road to ruin.

The only thing I'd like to know is why, if indeed his is not 100% fit, why Fonte is on the bench. What's the point?

Also, I can only assume that Ozvaldo was being handed out some internal punishment. None of know though.

Hoping (but not expecting) for better on Thursday!
This thread is utterly miserable. I was totally pi$$ed off at the result yesterday but it was more at the situation we find ourselves in (injuries) than the score itself. I'd rather we suffer when short of players than rush out spending money we don't have on players we don't want in the long term. That's the beginning of the road to ruin. The only thing I'd like to know is why, if indeed his is not 100% fit, why Fonte is on the bench. What's the point? Also, I can only assume that Ozvaldo was being handed out some internal punishment. None of know though. Hoping (but not expecting) for better on Thursday! Little Hitler

1:42pm Mon 23 Dec 13

ivornother says...

Velleity wrote:
markodarko29 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
up saints wrote:
lets face villa match was bad spurs match tops that..drop gazza and hoover for the cardiff match or game over before kick off.
And who will you put in there place?
oh hold on this is a difficult one ,what about the player for the first ten games of the season was one of the best players we had ,fonte wasted on the bench at present,much more reliable than clamity jos ,think in goal were stuffed thoe
HE'S INJURED, YOU THICK CNUT!
Well put!!!
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: lets face villa match was bad spurs match tops that..drop gazza and hoover for the cardiff match or game over before kick off.[/p][/quote]And who will you put in there place?[/p][/quote]oh hold on this is a difficult one ,what about the player for the first ten games of the season was one of the best players we had ,fonte wasted on the bench at present,much more reliable than clamity jos ,think in goal were stuffed thoe[/p][/quote]HE'S INJURED, YOU THICK CNUT![/p][/quote]Well put!!! ivornother

1:50pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Velleity says...

Little Hitler wrote:
This thread is utterly miserable.

I was totally pi$$ed off at the result yesterday but it was more at the situation we find ourselves in (injuries) than the score itself.

I'd rather we suffer when short of players than rush out spending money we don't have on players we don't want in the long term. That's the beginning of the road to ruin.

The only thing I'd like to know is why, if indeed his is not 100% fit, why Fonte is on the bench. What's the point?

Also, I can only assume that Ozvaldo was being handed out some internal punishment. None of know though.

Hoping (but not expecting) for better on Thursday!
I suspect that Fonte was on the bench because we had Yoshi on there as first dibs and he was there for backup in case of two defenders having to go off - whom else do we have for the bench? All guesswork, of course, but could well be correct.

That said, Golden Salamander's post above suggests there might have been a hope of getting him on.
[quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: This thread is utterly miserable. I was totally pi$$ed off at the result yesterday but it was more at the situation we find ourselves in (injuries) than the score itself. I'd rather we suffer when short of players than rush out spending money we don't have on players we don't want in the long term. That's the beginning of the road to ruin. The only thing I'd like to know is why, if indeed his is not 100% fit, why Fonte is on the bench. What's the point? Also, I can only assume that Ozvaldo was being handed out some internal punishment. None of know though. Hoping (but not expecting) for better on Thursday![/p][/quote]I suspect that Fonte was on the bench because we had Yoshi on there as first dibs and he was there for backup in case of two defenders having to go off - whom else do we have for the bench? All guesswork, of course, but could well be correct. That said, Golden Salamander's post above suggests there might have been a hope of getting him on. Velleity

1:57pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Little Hitler says...

Velleity wrote:
Little Hitler wrote: This thread is utterly miserable. I was totally pi$$ed off at the result yesterday but it was more at the situation we find ourselves in (injuries) than the score itself. I'd rather we suffer when short of players than rush out spending money we don't have on players we don't want in the long term. That's the beginning of the road to ruin. The only thing I'd like to know is why, if indeed his is not 100% fit, why Fonte is on the bench. What's the point? Also, I can only assume that Ozvaldo was being handed out some internal punishment. None of know though. Hoping (but not expecting) for better on Thursday!
I suspect that Fonte was on the bench because we had Yoshi on there as first dibs and he was there for backup in case of two defenders having to go off - whom else do we have for the bench? All guesswork, of course, but could well be correct. That said, Golden Salamander's post above suggests there might have been a hope of getting him on.
I'm sure there was a good reason for it mate but I'm of the belief that you're either fit or you're not. If you're only 90% fit then you won't get the required level of performance and will risk further injury.

We're great at giving 'the yoof' a go so thought we'd see one of our up-and-coming lads sat there next to Gallacher.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: This thread is utterly miserable. I was totally pi$$ed off at the result yesterday but it was more at the situation we find ourselves in (injuries) than the score itself. I'd rather we suffer when short of players than rush out spending money we don't have on players we don't want in the long term. That's the beginning of the road to ruin. The only thing I'd like to know is why, if indeed his is not 100% fit, why Fonte is on the bench. What's the point? Also, I can only assume that Ozvaldo was being handed out some internal punishment. None of know though. Hoping (but not expecting) for better on Thursday![/p][/quote]I suspect that Fonte was on the bench because we had Yoshi on there as first dibs and he was there for backup in case of two defenders having to go off - whom else do we have for the bench? All guesswork, of course, but could well be correct. That said, Golden Salamander's post above suggests there might have been a hope of getting him on.[/p][/quote]I'm sure there was a good reason for it mate but I'm of the belief that you're either fit or you're not. If you're only 90% fit then you won't get the required level of performance and will risk further injury. We're great at giving 'the yoof' a go so thought we'd see one of our up-and-coming lads sat there next to Gallacher. Little Hitler

2:15pm Mon 23 Dec 13

up saints says...

ivornother wrote:
Velleity wrote:
markodarko29 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
up saints wrote:
lets face villa match was bad spurs match tops that..drop gazza and hoover for the cardiff match or game over before kick off.
And who will you put in there place?
oh hold on this is a difficult one ,what about the player for the first ten games of the season was one of the best players we had ,fonte wasted on the bench at present,much more reliable than clamity jos ,think in goal were stuffed thoe
HE'S INJURED, YOU THICK CNUT!
Well put!!!
HE'S INJURED, YOU THICK CNUT i why was he on the effing bench then
[quote][p][bold]ivornother[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: lets face villa match was bad spurs match tops that..drop gazza and hoover for the cardiff match or game over before kick off.[/p][/quote]And who will you put in there place?[/p][/quote]oh hold on this is a difficult one ,what about the player for the first ten games of the season was one of the best players we had ,fonte wasted on the bench at present,much more reliable than clamity jos ,think in goal were stuffed thoe[/p][/quote]HE'S INJURED, YOU THICK CNUT![/p][/quote]Well put!!![/p][/quote]HE'S INJURED, YOU THICK CNUT i why was he on the effing bench then up saints

2:19pm Mon 23 Dec 13

saintnick87 says...

MPo put out what was almost certainly his best team available. We have been unlucky with so many defensive players out all at once, but this is football, and it does prove that we need some reinforcements in January. I would like a decent centre back to partner Lovren, who ideally could also play left back to cover Luke if he gets injured. It would then allow us to offload Jos/Maya/Fox, as we need to thin out the players from the squad who are proving they are not up to the standard that we are aiming.

As far as MPo's comments about the transfer window are concerned, managers are rarely 'open' about their transfer plans for various reasons. He and Cortese have shown their ambition already so I would sincerely hope they will not be sitting back and 'making do' with the current squad at their disposal. All managers will always be looking to improve...won't they?
MPo put out what was almost certainly his best team available. We have been unlucky with so many defensive players out all at once, but this is football, and it does prove that we need some reinforcements in January. I would like a decent centre back to partner Lovren, who ideally could also play left back to cover Luke if he gets injured. It would then allow us to offload Jos/Maya/Fox, as we need to thin out the players from the squad who are proving they are not up to the standard that we are aiming. As far as MPo's comments about the transfer window are concerned, managers are rarely 'open' about their transfer plans for various reasons. He and Cortese have shown their ambition already so I would sincerely hope they will not be sitting back and 'making do' with the current squad at their disposal. All managers will always be looking to improve...won't they? saintnick87

2:27pm Mon 23 Dec 13

rossofficial10 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
up saints wrote:
rossofficial10 wrote:
most of us saints fans on here are ambitious and want a top 5-7 finish which we were on course for but thanks to poch's silly team selections we are now looking at a finish like last season. probs 13-14th

theres a small majority of fans on here who think we dont need any signings and gazza and hoover is the best thing since slice bread and are happy just to finish above the relegation zone every season.

Be ambitious for f sake!!!
this post is spot on
And who would you put in their place?
This game has gone now but I would of started

Cropper to see what hes like.

Shaw would of happily played despite bad throat and I would of played him
Fonte ( if injured would check him at half time or 60 min mark)
Louvren
and chambers.

where is clyne by the way? and how long is he out for?

I also think letting Puncheon go was a bad mistake, who else on the bench offers a plan b?
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rossofficial10[/bold] wrote: most of us saints fans on here are ambitious and want a top 5-7 finish which we were on course for but thanks to poch's silly team selections we are now looking at a finish like last season. probs 13-14th theres a small majority of fans on here who think we dont need any signings and gazza and hoover is the best thing since slice bread and are happy just to finish above the relegation zone every season. Be ambitious for f sake!!![/p][/quote]this post is spot on[/p][/quote]And who would you put in their place?[/p][/quote]This game has gone now but I would of started Cropper to see what hes like. Shaw would of happily played despite bad throat and I would of played him Fonte ( if injured would check him at half time or 60 min mark) Louvren and chambers. where is clyne by the way? and how long is he out for? I also think letting Puncheon go was a bad mistake, who else on the bench offers a plan b? rossofficial10

2:28pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Velleity says...

up saints wrote:
ivornother wrote:
Velleity wrote:
markodarko29 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
up saints wrote:
lets face villa match was bad spurs match tops that..drop gazza and hoover for the cardiff match or game over before kick off.
And who will you put in there place?
oh hold on this is a difficult one ,what about the player for the first ten games of the season was one of the best players we had ,fonte wasted on the bench at present,much more reliable than clamity jos ,think in goal were stuffed thoe
HE'S INJURED, YOU THICK CNUT!
Well put!!!
HE'S INJURED, YOU THICK CNUT i why was he on the effing bench then
Hmmm. Thirty answers and ideas that *might* answer that given above, not just from me but also from people who saw more than I did. How on earth does anyone but MP and his team know why he was on the bench? Perhaps they thought he could do 20 minutes if two defenders were injured. Perhaps they know more than both you and I.

However, as ever, you fail to suggest any alternative, just another whiney little diatribe.

Answer the question I've asked six or seven times. What team and positions would you have played yesterday and what would have been your bench? You're not allowed Boruc, Davis, Shaw, Fonte, Clyne, Wanyama.

Alternatively, just whine like a **** again and don't suggest any solutions.
[quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ivornother[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: lets face villa match was bad spurs match tops that..drop gazza and hoover for the cardiff match or game over before kick off.[/p][/quote]And who will you put in there place?[/p][/quote]oh hold on this is a difficult one ,what about the player for the first ten games of the season was one of the best players we had ,fonte wasted on the bench at present,much more reliable than clamity jos ,think in goal were stuffed thoe[/p][/quote]HE'S INJURED, YOU THICK CNUT![/p][/quote]Well put!!![/p][/quote]HE'S INJURED, YOU THICK CNUT i why was he on the effing bench then[/p][/quote]Hmmm. Thirty answers and ideas that *might* answer that given above, not just from me but also from people who saw more than I did. How on earth does anyone but MP and his team know why he was on the bench? Perhaps they thought he could do 20 minutes if two defenders were injured. Perhaps they know more than both you and I. However, as ever, you fail to suggest any alternative, just another whiney little diatribe. Answer the question I've asked six or seven times. What team and positions would you have played yesterday and what would have been your bench? You're not allowed Boruc, Davis, Shaw, Fonte, Clyne, Wanyama. Alternatively, just whine like a **** again and don't suggest any solutions. Velleity

2:30pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Velleity says...

rossofficial10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
up saints wrote:
rossofficial10 wrote:
most of us saints fans on here are ambitious and want a top 5-7 finish which we were on course for but thanks to poch's silly team selections we are now looking at a finish like last season. probs 13-14th

theres a small majority of fans on here who think we dont need any signings and gazza and hoover is the best thing since slice bread and are happy just to finish above the relegation zone every season.

Be ambitious for f sake!!!
this post is spot on
And who would you put in their place?
This game has gone now but I would of started

Cropper to see what hes like.

Shaw would of happily played despite bad throat and I would of played him
Fonte ( if injured would check him at half time or 60 min mark)
Louvren
and chambers.

where is clyne by the way? and how long is he out for?

I also think letting Puncheon go was a bad mistake, who else on the bench offers a plan b?
Ah, another person perfectly placed to assess Fonte's fitness, Shaw's fitness and Cropper's ability, whereas MP has no knowledge of these things.

Where were you when we were good?
[quote][p][bold]rossofficial10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rossofficial10[/bold] wrote: most of us saints fans on here are ambitious and want a top 5-7 finish which we were on course for but thanks to poch's silly team selections we are now looking at a finish like last season. probs 13-14th theres a small majority of fans on here who think we dont need any signings and gazza and hoover is the best thing since slice bread and are happy just to finish above the relegation zone every season. Be ambitious for f sake!!![/p][/quote]this post is spot on[/p][/quote]And who would you put in their place?[/p][/quote]This game has gone now but I would of started Cropper to see what hes like. Shaw would of happily played despite bad throat and I would of played him Fonte ( if injured would check him at half time or 60 min mark) Louvren and chambers. where is clyne by the way? and how long is he out for? I also think letting Puncheon go was a bad mistake, who else on the bench offers a plan b?[/p][/quote]Ah, another person perfectly placed to assess Fonte's fitness, Shaw's fitness and Cropper's ability, whereas MP has no knowledge of these things. Where were you when we were good? Velleity

2:37pm Mon 23 Dec 13

rossofficial10 says...

Velleity wrote:
rossofficial10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
up saints wrote:
rossofficial10 wrote:
most of us saints fans on here are ambitious and want a top 5-7 finish which we were on course for but thanks to poch's silly team selections we are now looking at a finish like last season. probs 13-14th

theres a small majority of fans on here who think we dont need any signings and gazza and hoover is the best thing since slice bread and are happy just to finish above the relegation zone every season.

Be ambitious for f sake!!!
this post is spot on
And who would you put in their place?
This game has gone now but I would of started

Cropper to see what hes like.

Shaw would of happily played despite bad throat and I would of played him
Fonte ( if injured would check him at half time or 60 min mark)
Louvren
and chambers.

where is clyne by the way? and how long is he out for?

I also think letting Puncheon go was a bad mistake, who else on the bench offers a plan b?
Ah, another person perfectly placed to assess Fonte's fitness, Shaw's fitness and Cropper's ability, whereas MP has no knowledge of these things.

Where were you when we were good?
onwards to Cardiff now then.

I feel we all be moaning again bout gazza and hoover after nxt match but hope not
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rossofficial10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rossofficial10[/bold] wrote: most of us saints fans on here are ambitious and want a top 5-7 finish which we were on course for but thanks to poch's silly team selections we are now looking at a finish like last season. probs 13-14th theres a small majority of fans on here who think we dont need any signings and gazza and hoover is the best thing since slice bread and are happy just to finish above the relegation zone every season. Be ambitious for f sake!!![/p][/quote]this post is spot on[/p][/quote]And who would you put in their place?[/p][/quote]This game has gone now but I would of started Cropper to see what hes like. Shaw would of happily played despite bad throat and I would of played him Fonte ( if injured would check him at half time or 60 min mark) Louvren and chambers. where is clyne by the way? and how long is he out for? I also think letting Puncheon go was a bad mistake, who else on the bench offers a plan b?[/p][/quote]Ah, another person perfectly placed to assess Fonte's fitness, Shaw's fitness and Cropper's ability, whereas MP has no knowledge of these things. Where were you when we were good?[/p][/quote]onwards to Cardiff now then. I feel we all be moaning again bout gazza and hoover after nxt match but hope not rossofficial10

2:38pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

rossofficial10 wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Mmmmm..looks like there are more Saints customers on here today than there are Saints supporters. No surprise - a bad result seems to bring them out.
we are all losing patience with poch team selections
I'm not!
[quote][p][bold]rossofficial10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Mmmmm..looks like there are more Saints customers on here today than there are Saints supporters. No surprise - a bad result seems to bring them out.[/p][/quote]we are all losing patience with poch team selections[/p][/quote]I'm not! Strasbourg Saint

2:38pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Poole Tom says...

Like many on hear my heart sunk when I saw our team yesterday, but if players are`nt fit the manager has no option but to turn to his second choice players. Unfortunately against the top sides those players are simply not good enough, thus the result. However on a more positive note we are still on target to achieve the 50 point target that I hoped for prior to the start of the season, which if achieved will represent steady if unspectacular progress in just our second season back in the hardest league in the world. As someone else said it could be a lot worse, ask Pompey fans!!!
Like many on hear my heart sunk when I saw our team yesterday, but if players are`nt fit the manager has no option but to turn to his second choice players. Unfortunately against the top sides those players are simply not good enough, thus the result. However on a more positive note we are still on target to achieve the 50 point target that I hoped for prior to the start of the season, which if achieved will represent steady if unspectacular progress in just our second season back in the hardest league in the world. As someone else said it could be a lot worse, ask Pompey fans!!! Poole Tom

2:38pm Mon 23 Dec 13

ghk230473 says...

Velleity wrote:
rossofficial10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
up saints wrote:
rossofficial10 wrote:
most of us saints fans on here are ambitious and want a top 5-7 finish which we were on course for but thanks to poch's silly team selections we are now looking at a finish like last season. probs 13-14th

theres a small majority of fans on here who think we dont need any signings and gazza and hoover is the best thing since slice bread and are happy just to finish above the relegation zone every season.

Be ambitious for f sake!!!
this post is spot on
And who would you put in their place?
This game has gone now but I would of started

Cropper to see what hes like.

Shaw would of happily played despite bad throat and I would of played him
Fonte ( if injured would check him at half time or 60 min mark)
Louvren
and chambers.

where is clyne by the way? and how long is he out for?

I also think letting Puncheon go was a bad mistake, who else on the bench offers a plan b?
Ah, another person perfectly placed to assess Fonte's fitness, Shaw's fitness and Cropper's ability, whereas MP has no knowledge of these things.

Where were you when we were good?
You're just not saintly Valerie... Showing real class
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rossofficial10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rossofficial10[/bold] wrote: most of us saints fans on here are ambitious and want a top 5-7 finish which we were on course for but thanks to poch's silly team selections we are now looking at a finish like last season. probs 13-14th theres a small majority of fans on here who think we dont need any signings and gazza and hoover is the best thing since slice bread and are happy just to finish above the relegation zone every season. Be ambitious for f sake!!![/p][/quote]this post is spot on[/p][/quote]And who would you put in their place?[/p][/quote]This game has gone now but I would of started Cropper to see what hes like. Shaw would of happily played despite bad throat and I would of played him Fonte ( if injured would check him at half time or 60 min mark) Louvren and chambers. where is clyne by the way? and how long is he out for? I also think letting Puncheon go was a bad mistake, who else on the bench offers a plan b?[/p][/quote]Ah, another person perfectly placed to assess Fonte's fitness, Shaw's fitness and Cropper's ability, whereas MP has no knowledge of these things. Where were you when we were good?[/p][/quote]You're just not saintly Valerie... Showing real class ghk230473

2:48pm Mon 23 Dec 13

westfordUSAsaints says...

Oh, it's gloom and doom Monday.

It's amazing how many of you have direct access to the squads medical condition / records. Clearly, MOPO knows his best team, clearly he picks the best team available to him based on what he's being told by his medical team and what he sees in the training ground.

You weren't moaning when we were 3rd, were you? We have injuries, we will have suspensions, it's part and parcel of a football. This is reality, not premiership manager on Xbox!

MOPO was very angry at the goals we gave away and that was certainly a dig at the back line.

Fonte is clearly not 100%, but is on the bench as emergency cover. When he's ready, he will be back.

Gazza is 3rd string, he wouldn't be playing if Boruc, or Kelvin were fit! He has no choice but to play him! We are down to the bare bones of the squad at the moment and that is the way things are.

Those of you bleating about moving players out need to get a grip on reality. If it was that easy then Barnard would be long gone and if we don't want them, then who will, and on what wages etc. If we had another injury crisis, then you'd be back on here barking we shouldn't have let the squad players go.

As far as those thinking about a relegation battle, really, we are suddenly that bad? Get a grip, top half finish would be a massive improvement on last season, and I still think 8th is there for the taking.

Merry Christmas.
Oh, it's gloom and doom Monday. It's amazing how many of you have direct access to the squads medical condition / records. Clearly, MOPO knows his best team, clearly he picks the best team available to him based on what he's being told by his medical team and what he sees in the training ground. You weren't moaning when we were 3rd, were you? We have injuries, we will have suspensions, it's part and parcel of a football. This is reality, not premiership manager on Xbox! MOPO was very angry at the goals we gave away and that was certainly a dig at the back line. Fonte is clearly not 100%, but is on the bench as emergency cover. When he's ready, he will be back. Gazza is 3rd string, he wouldn't be playing if Boruc, or Kelvin were fit! He has no choice but to play him! We are down to the bare bones of the squad at the moment and that is the way things are. Those of you bleating about moving players out need to get a grip on reality. If it was that easy then Barnard would be long gone and if we don't want them, then who will, and on what wages etc. If we had another injury crisis, then you'd be back on here barking we shouldn't have let the squad players go. As far as those thinking about a relegation battle, really, we are suddenly that bad? Get a grip, top half finish would be a massive improvement on last season, and I still think 8th is there for the taking. Merry Christmas. westfordUSAsaints

2:48pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Velleity says...

Ghk, I see what you did there. You called me "Valerie".
Ghk, I see what you did there. You called me "Valerie". Velleity

2:56pm Mon 23 Dec 13

ghk230473 says...

Velleity wrote:
Ghk, I see what you did there. You called me "Valerie".
Yes it appears so
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: Ghk, I see what you did there. You called me "Valerie".[/p][/quote]Yes it appears so ghk230473

3:08pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Velleity says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Ghk, I see what you did there. You called me "Valerie".
Yes it appears so
You must get invited to a lot of parties with a sense of humour like that.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: Ghk, I see what you did there. You called me "Valerie".[/p][/quote]Yes it appears so[/p][/quote]You must get invited to a lot of parties with a sense of humour like that. Velleity

3:14pm Mon 23 Dec 13

ghk230473 says...

No it's not all doom and gloom and admittedly we do have injuries, however I wouldn't play fox as long as he has a hole in his ar5e. We could have gone 3 at the back with 5 in midfield. How you can have Ramirez and jwp on the bench and play fox is beyond me.
Also why are we picking up so many injuries? Could it be we are over relying on certain players? Shaw is too young IMO to be playing so many games. We do need to allow our young academy players through but at the same time not over rely on them, they will face burn out. New signings ARE needed and a definate is a centre half who could cover full back.
No it's not all doom and gloom and admittedly we do have injuries, however I wouldn't play fox as long as he has a hole in his ar5e. We could have gone 3 at the back with 5 in midfield. How you can have Ramirez and jwp on the bench and play fox is beyond me. Also why are we picking up so many injuries? Could it be we are over relying on certain players? Shaw is too young IMO to be playing so many games. We do need to allow our young academy players through but at the same time not over rely on them, they will face burn out. New signings ARE needed and a definate is a centre half who could cover full back. ghk230473

3:20pm Mon 23 Dec 13

lowe esteem says...

Velleity wrote:
rossofficial10 wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Mmmmm..looks like there are more Saints customers on here today than there are Saints supporters. No surprise - a bad result seems to bring them out.
we are all losing patience with poch team selections
Whom would you have picked? Rather than WHINING, why not be positive and pick a better team?

However, here's the hard part. Pick your selection from the fit players, the way MP has had to. You can't magic Fonte back to full fitness, or Shaw, or Clyne, or Wanyama, or Boruc, or Davis. So, what's your starting line up that's better than yesterday's?
You make very little constructive contribution yourself, assuming you're a fan as well as an unquestioning and abusive sycophant.
The Echo has previously highlighted that quite a large proportion of the fanbase believe we lack depth in the goalkeeping department and this is where we could benefit in January-there are a number of current "No 2's" warming the benches elsewhere that can improve our squad, and I will still (cliché alert) "trust in Cortese/Poch blah blah" to get in there without drawing attention too soon. I am also somewhat baffled as to why Fonte and Yoshida are left warming our bench, our defensive insecurities are now leeching through the midfield and attack and thoroughly compromising our 'team ethic' and style of play.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rossofficial10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Mmmmm..looks like there are more Saints customers on here today than there are Saints supporters. No surprise - a bad result seems to bring them out.[/p][/quote]we are all losing patience with poch team selections[/p][/quote]Whom would you have picked? Rather than WHINING, why not be positive and pick a better team? However, here's the hard part. Pick your selection from the fit players, the way MP has had to. You can't magic Fonte back to full fitness, or Shaw, or Clyne, or Wanyama, or Boruc, or Davis. So, what's your starting line up that's better than yesterday's?[/p][/quote]You make very little constructive contribution yourself, assuming you're a fan as well as an unquestioning and abusive sycophant. The Echo has previously highlighted that quite a large proportion of the fanbase believe we lack depth in the goalkeeping department and this is where we could benefit in January-there are a number of current "No 2's" warming the benches elsewhere that can improve our squad, and I will still (cliché alert) "trust in Cortese/Poch blah blah" to get in there without drawing attention too soon. I am also somewhat baffled as to why Fonte and Yoshida are left warming our bench, our defensive insecurities are now leeching through the midfield and attack and thoroughly compromising our 'team ethic' and style of play. lowe esteem

3:23pm Mon 23 Dec 13

st1halo says...

rossofficial10 wrote:
most of us saints fans on here are ambitious and want a top 5-7 finish which we were on course for but thanks to poch's silly team selections we are now looking at a finish like last season. probs 13-14th

theres a small majority of fans on here who think we dont need any signings and gazza and hoover is the best thing since slice bread and are happy just to finish above the relegation zone every season.

Be ambitious for f sake!!!
WRONG


BE REALISTIC!

STID
[quote][p][bold]rossofficial10[/bold] wrote: most of us saints fans on here are ambitious and want a top 5-7 finish which we were on course for but thanks to poch's silly team selections we are now looking at a finish like last season. probs 13-14th theres a small majority of fans on here who think we dont need any signings and gazza and hoover is the best thing since slice bread and are happy just to finish above the relegation zone every season. Be ambitious for f sake!!![/p][/quote]WRONG BE REALISTIC! STID st1halo

3:24pm Mon 23 Dec 13

right back in the bar says...

Usual hysterical reaction. Those who were at the game will know that it turned on a moment when JRod missed a great chance and blasted over and they went down our end and scored. Perhaps Gazza should have come off his line but irrelevant if JRod had put the chance away it was game over. This is football and in any even it was a cracking game and you have to give credit to Spurs who really contested the midfield. AL was superb and Morgan S majestic; get all our fist team back and we will be flying again. We will finish at least top 10 and go on from there - continuous improvement. Cheers.
Usual hysterical reaction. Those who were at the game will know that it turned on a moment when JRod missed a great chance and blasted over and they went down our end and scored. Perhaps Gazza should have come off his line but irrelevant if JRod had put the chance away it was game over. This is football and in any even it was a cracking game and you have to give credit to Spurs who really contested the midfield. AL was superb and Morgan S majestic; get all our fist team back and we will be flying again. We will finish at least top 10 and go on from there - continuous improvement. Cheers. right back in the bar

3:26pm Mon 23 Dec 13

st1halo says...

JohnItaly wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Mmmmm..looks like there are more Saints customers on here today than there are Saints supporters. No surprise - a bad result seems to bring them out.
Wish it was A result, unfortunately it has been a string of bad results. Remember it is 2 points from 18.
I prefer to remember we're 9th at Xmas with 24 points n the bag.

STID
[quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Mmmmm..looks like there are more Saints customers on here today than there are Saints supporters. No surprise - a bad result seems to bring them out.[/p][/quote]Wish it was A result, unfortunately it has been a string of bad results. Remember it is 2 points from 18.[/p][/quote]I prefer to remember we're 9th at Xmas with 24 points n the bag. STID st1halo

3:54pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Velleity says...

lowe esteem wrote:
Velleity wrote:
rossofficial10 wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Mmmmm..looks like there are more Saints customers on here today than there are Saints supporters. No surprise - a bad result seems to bring them out.
we are all losing patience with poch team selections
Whom would you have picked? Rather than WHINING, why not be positive and pick a better team?

However, here's the hard part. Pick your selection from the fit players, the way MP has had to. You can't magic Fonte back to full fitness, or Shaw, or Clyne, or Wanyama, or Boruc, or Davis. So, what's your starting line up that's better than yesterday's?
You make very little constructive contribution yourself, assuming you're a fan as well as an unquestioning and abusive sycophant.
The Echo has previously highlighted that quite a large proportion of the fanbase believe we lack depth in the goalkeeping department and this is where we could benefit in January-there are a number of current "No 2's" warming the benches elsewhere that can improve our squad, and I will still (cliché alert) "trust in Cortese/Poch blah blah" to get in there without drawing attention too soon. I am also somewhat baffled as to why Fonte and Yoshida are left warming our bench, our defensive insecurities are now leeching through the midfield and attack and thoroughly compromising our 'team ethic' and style of play.
I don't see any point in criticising what's going on as I believe that there's no need for any panicked change. Our current problems stem solely from a lack of fit players. Our unfit players will regain fitness and our results will pick up.

Yes, our squad is thin but life isn't like it is when you play Football Manager in your bedroom; try to sign someone on there and you get them; then they play well from the get-go (so I'm told). Life really isn't so simple. We made three great signings over the summer. It seems the critics on here think we should have signed six or nine. That way we'd have the required depth, be going bankrupt and have a bunch of players looking to leave to get regular games.

I really can't see a better team we could have put out yesterday than the one we had on the pitch. What constructive criticism can I make given that statement? I'm not the one screaming that Fonte should have been on the pitch when there was clearly a pretty good reason for his not being on there (the only other explanation, as I've suggested repeatedly, is that MP hasn't noticed that Fonte is better than Hoover).

I still note that there have only been one suggestion in this whole thread for an alternative back five:

Cropper (who knows what MP sees on the training ground?), Shaw (ill), Fonte (crocked - unless MP is stupid: see above), Lovren, Chambers.

I don't believe that would have been a better back five and it could certainly have been worse.

I'm not the one shouting for change - I genuinely believe MP fielded the strongest side available yesterday. I'm also pretty happy with a guaranteed 9th on Boxing Day; I'd have bitten your arm off for that on day one of the season. Sorry to be such a sycophant.
[quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rossofficial10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Mmmmm..looks like there are more Saints customers on here today than there are Saints supporters. No surprise - a bad result seems to bring them out.[/p][/quote]we are all losing patience with poch team selections[/p][/quote]Whom would you have picked? Rather than WHINING, why not be positive and pick a better team? However, here's the hard part. Pick your selection from the fit players, the way MP has had to. You can't magic Fonte back to full fitness, or Shaw, or Clyne, or Wanyama, or Boruc, or Davis. So, what's your starting line up that's better than yesterday's?[/p][/quote]You make very little constructive contribution yourself, assuming you're a fan as well as an unquestioning and abusive sycophant. The Echo has previously highlighted that quite a large proportion of the fanbase believe we lack depth in the goalkeeping department and this is where we could benefit in January-there are a number of current "No 2's" warming the benches elsewhere that can improve our squad, and I will still (cliché alert) "trust in Cortese/Poch blah blah" to get in there without drawing attention too soon. I am also somewhat baffled as to why Fonte and Yoshida are left warming our bench, our defensive insecurities are now leeching through the midfield and attack and thoroughly compromising our 'team ethic' and style of play.[/p][/quote]I don't see any point in criticising what's going on as I believe that there's no need for any panicked change. Our current problems stem solely from a lack of fit players. Our unfit players will regain fitness and our results will pick up. Yes, our squad is thin but life isn't like it is when you play Football Manager in your bedroom; try to sign someone on there and you get them; then they play well from the get-go (so I'm told). Life really isn't so simple. We made three great signings over the summer. It seems the critics on here think we should have signed six or nine. That way we'd have the required depth, be going bankrupt and have a bunch of players looking to leave to get regular games. I really can't see a better team we could have put out yesterday than the one we had on the pitch. What constructive criticism can I make given that statement? I'm not the one screaming that Fonte should have been on the pitch when there was clearly a pretty good reason for his not being on there (the only other explanation, as I've suggested repeatedly, is that MP hasn't noticed that Fonte is better than Hoover). I still note that there have only been one suggestion in this whole thread for an alternative back five: Cropper (who knows what MP sees on the training ground?), Shaw (ill), Fonte (crocked - unless MP is stupid: see above), Lovren, Chambers. I don't believe that would have been a better back five and it could certainly have been worse. I'm not the one shouting for change - I genuinely believe MP fielded the strongest side available yesterday. I'm also pretty happy with a guaranteed 9th on Boxing Day; I'd have bitten your arm off for that on day one of the season. Sorry to be such a sycophant. Velleity

3:55pm Mon 23 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

rossofficial10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
up saints wrote:
rossofficial10 wrote:
most of us saints fans on here are ambitious and want a top 5-7 finish which we were on course for but thanks to poch's silly team selections we are now looking at a finish like last season. probs 13-14th

theres a small majority of fans on here who think we dont need any signings and gazza and hoover is the best thing since slice bread and are happy just to finish above the relegation zone every season.

Be ambitious for f sake!!!
this post is spot on
And who would you put in their place?
This game has gone now but I would of started

Cropper to see what hes like.

Shaw would of happily played despite bad throat and I would of played him
Fonte ( if injured would check him at half time or 60 min mark)
Louvren
and chambers.

where is clyne by the way? and how long is he out for?

I also think letting Puncheon go was a bad mistake, who else on the bench offers a plan b?
Would HAVE, not would OF, how many times do we have to say it, before it sinks in? Puncheon hasn't done much and I doubt if he would have had much playing time here, too much of a one trick pony.
[quote][p][bold]rossofficial10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rossofficial10[/bold] wrote: most of us saints fans on here are ambitious and want a top 5-7 finish which we were on course for but thanks to poch's silly team selections we are now looking at a finish like last season. probs 13-14th theres a small majority of fans on here who think we dont need any signings and gazza and hoover is the best thing since slice bread and are happy just to finish above the relegation zone every season. Be ambitious for f sake!!![/p][/quote]this post is spot on[/p][/quote]And who would you put in their place?[/p][/quote]This game has gone now but I would of started Cropper to see what hes like. Shaw would of happily played despite bad throat and I would of played him Fonte ( if injured would check him at half time or 60 min mark) Louvren and chambers. where is clyne by the way? and how long is he out for? I also think letting Puncheon go was a bad mistake, who else on the bench offers a plan b?[/p][/quote]Would HAVE, not would OF, how many times do we have to say it, before it sinks in? Puncheon hasn't done much and I doubt if he would have had much playing time here, too much of a one trick pony. OSPREYSAINT

3:58pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Norwegian Saint says...

I would like to know what's happening with Ozzy...? and why Fonte is injured but on the bench...? How bad was Luke's illness...? When is Clyne, Boruc and Wanyama back...?

We deserve some answers please
I would like to know what's happening with Ozzy...? and why Fonte is injured but on the bench...? How bad was Luke's illness...? When is Clyne, Boruc and Wanyama back...? We deserve some answers please Norwegian Saint

4:13pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Saint_rob says...

Even if we didn't have injuries at the moment, it's about rotating the squad.
If you just play the same 11 week in week out then when a change comes along it will not flow as it's meant to be. We have been forced into making too many changes at once and it's showing. If you change 3-4 defenders (including the keeper) at once it just doesn't work.
The top teams are able to rotate with ease from one game to the next and when cup games come along up to 11 changes happen. This is the only area
That we struggle with.
Even if we didn't have injuries at the moment, it's about rotating the squad. If you just play the same 11 week in week out then when a change comes along it will not flow as it's meant to be. We have been forced into making too many changes at once and it's showing. If you change 3-4 defenders (including the keeper) at once it just doesn't work. The top teams are able to rotate with ease from one game to the next and when cup games come along up to 11 changes happen. This is the only area That we struggle with. Saint_rob

4:19pm Mon 23 Dec 13

deepheat says...

The most important thing for any premier league team is to get to that 38/40 points mark as soon as possible. At this stage and with the injuries Saints have any points earned after that is a bonus. Osvaldo was/is an expensive mistake. He has no will to work hard and doesn't want to be here so feck him.
The most important thing for any premier league team is to get to that 38/40 points mark as soon as possible. At this stage and with the injuries Saints have any points earned after that is a bonus. Osvaldo was/is an expensive mistake. He has no will to work hard and doesn't want to be here so feck him. deepheat

4:22pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Clever Dick says...

I was wondering if we cut off Artur's broken finger if his injury would heal quicker. The problem is if he then goes on to break his neck we'll have to cut his head off and he won't be any better than Gazza then!
I was wondering if we cut off Artur's broken finger if his injury would heal quicker. The problem is if he then goes on to break his neck we'll have to cut his head off and he won't be any better than Gazza then! Clever Dick

4:47pm Mon 23 Dec 13

johnlennonar says...

Saintsteve7 wrote:
montecristosaint wrote:
REALITY CHECK UST MAYBE AT LAST..

I have never been angrier than I was watching Saints submit to the hated Spurs at home. The team slection inspired no confidence whatever, I was resigned to the loss from that moment on. The point is, if I, a mere fan knows that Foxs Hoolveld and gazzaniga are not prem quality, what n earth must be going through the coach' s head?? And he is on record as saying we dont need reinforcements in January window? He has no experience of the Prem but allow me to tell him where its at. Its a tough season , and never more so when January comes around with the mud and the slush. You will not even keep this team up if you dont get some help in from outside. You are at least three players short because you need at least two prem quality teams in the squad you can call on if you are going to succeed at this level. And Saints dont have that..
You really are a bundle of Christmas cheer aren't you? I don't remember too many posts from you when saints were flying high a month ago!
What a prat that guy is with his silly comment. Saints have had a great start to the season and are having a blip at the moment because of injuries.
[quote][p][bold]Saintsteve7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]montecristosaint[/bold] wrote: REALITY CHECK UST MAYBE AT LAST.. I have never been angrier than I was watching Saints submit to the hated Spurs at home. The team slection inspired no confidence whatever, I was resigned to the loss from that moment on. The point is, if I, a mere fan knows that Foxs Hoolveld and gazzaniga are not prem quality, what n earth must be going through the coach' s head?? And he is on record as saying we dont need reinforcements in January window? He has no experience of the Prem but allow me to tell him where its at. Its a tough season , and never more so when January comes around with the mud and the slush. You will not even keep this team up if you dont get some help in from outside. You are at least three players short because you need at least two prem quality teams in the squad you can call on if you are going to succeed at this level. And Saints dont have that..[/p][/quote]You really are a bundle of Christmas cheer aren't you? I don't remember too many posts from you when saints were flying high a month ago![/p][/quote]What a prat that guy is with his silly comment. Saints have had a great start to the season and are having a blip at the moment because of injuries. johnlennonar

5:29pm Mon 23 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Velleity wrote:
Ghk, I see what you did there. You called me "Valerie".
That is quite a complimentary name compared to what he used to call people on here, I think we tamed him a bit or he is taking in less alchohol, Happy Christmas both of you, keep it coming.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: Ghk, I see what you did there. You called me "Valerie".[/p][/quote]That is quite a complimentary name compared to what he used to call people on here, I think we tamed him a bit or he is taking in less alchohol, Happy Christmas both of you, keep it coming. OSPREYSAINT

5:38pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Saintsincethe60s says...

Where's Tommy Forecast when you need him ;-)
Where's Tommy Forecast when you need him ;-) Saintsincethe60s

5:55pm Mon 23 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Norwegian Saint wrote:
I would like to know what's happening with Ozzy...? and why Fonte is injured but on the bench...? How bad was Luke's illness...? When is Clyne, Boruc and Wanyama back...?

We deserve some answers please
We would all like to know what is happening to Oz, I would expect a Club punishment, plus whatever suspension the FA deem suitable to dish out. Luke was walking around the Kingsland and Chapel Stands on Sunday and couldn't have been too bad, Clyne failed a late fitness test and may be right for Cardiff, Fonte has an ankle problem, if reports are to be believed.

When are (not is) Boruc and Wanayama coming back, when they are fit and ready I guess, needs a medical expert to tell us that one, not likely to learn it from the OS.
[quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: I would like to know what's happening with Ozzy...? and why Fonte is injured but on the bench...? How bad was Luke's illness...? When is Clyne, Boruc and Wanyama back...? We deserve some answers please[/p][/quote]We would all like to know what is happening to Oz, I would expect a Club punishment, plus whatever suspension the FA deem suitable to dish out. Luke was walking around the Kingsland and Chapel Stands on Sunday and couldn't have been too bad, Clyne failed a late fitness test and may be right for Cardiff, Fonte has an ankle problem, if reports are to be believed. When are (not is) Boruc and Wanayama coming back, when they are fit and ready I guess, needs a medical expert to tell us that one, not likely to learn it from the OS. OSPREYSAINT

6:16pm Mon 23 Dec 13

ghk230473 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Velleity wrote:
Ghk, I see what you did there. You called me "Valerie".
That is quite a complimentary name compared to what he used to call people on here, I think we tamed him a bit or he is taking in less alchohol, Happy Christmas both of you, keep it coming.
Happy Xmas osprey...I didn't need to throw insults at val, he's got plenty of others doing that.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: Ghk, I see what you did there. You called me "Valerie".[/p][/quote]That is quite a complimentary name compared to what he used to call people on here, I think we tamed him a bit or he is taking in less alchohol, Happy Christmas both of you, keep it coming.[/p][/quote]Happy Xmas osprey...I didn't need to throw insults at val, he's got plenty of others doing that. ghk230473

6:20pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Epsom Saint says...

We all have our opinions on how Saints should be run and who should be in the team, but it would be arrogant to suggest that any one of us is more qualified or more knowledgeable than the management and coaching staff. MoPo and Nicola have already demonstrated that they know what they are doing and we are lucky to have them - in my opinion. So, if anyone thinks we should make some more signings, play different players or formations then that's fine with me - but to suggest that MoPo and Nicola are "twits" or "silly" is just ridiculous. I believe in them and trust them to make the right decisions.
We all have our opinions on how Saints should be run and who should be in the team, but it would be arrogant to suggest that any one of us is more qualified or more knowledgeable than the management and coaching staff. MoPo and Nicola have already demonstrated that they know what they are doing and we are lucky to have them - in my opinion. So, if anyone thinks we should make some more signings, play different players or formations then that's fine with me - but to suggest that MoPo and Nicola are "twits" or "silly" is just ridiculous. I believe in them and trust them to make the right decisions. Epsom Saint

6:28pm Mon 23 Dec 13

ghk230473 says...

Epsom Saint wrote:
We all have our opinions on how Saints should be run and who should be in the team, but it would be arrogant to suggest that any one of us is more qualified or more knowledgeable than the management and coaching staff. MoPo and Nicola have already demonstrated that they know what they are doing and we are lucky to have them - in my opinion. So, if anyone thinks we should make some more signings, play different players or formations then that's fine with me - but to suggest that MoPo and Nicola are "twits" or "silly" is just ridiculous. I believe in them and trust them to make the right decisions.
Football is about opinions....and like ar5e holes every ones got 1!
[quote][p][bold]Epsom Saint[/bold] wrote: We all have our opinions on how Saints should be run and who should be in the team, but it would be arrogant to suggest that any one of us is more qualified or more knowledgeable than the management and coaching staff. MoPo and Nicola have already demonstrated that they know what they are doing and we are lucky to have them - in my opinion. So, if anyone thinks we should make some more signings, play different players or formations then that's fine with me - but to suggest that MoPo and Nicola are "twits" or "silly" is just ridiculous. I believe in them and trust them to make the right decisions.[/p][/quote]Football is about opinions....and like ar5e holes every ones got 1! ghk230473

6:36pm Mon 23 Dec 13

el caballo santos101 says...

rossofficial10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
up saints wrote:
rossofficial10 wrote:
most of us saints fans on here are ambitious and want a top 5-7 finish which we were on course for but thanks to poch's silly team selections we are now looking at a finish like last season. probs 13-14th

theres a small majority of fans on here who think we dont need any signings and gazza and hoover is the best thing since slice bread and are happy just to finish above the relegation zone every season.

Be ambitious for f sake!!!
this post is spot on
And who would you put in their place?
This game has gone now but I would of started

Cropper to see what hes like.

Shaw would of happily played despite bad throat and I would of played him
Fonte ( if injured would check him at half time or 60 min mark)
Louvren
and chambers.

where is clyne by the way? and how long is he out for?

I also think letting Puncheon go was a bad mistake, who else on the bench offers a plan b?
Cropper? have you ever seen him play? have you ever hear any match reports of him? that would be no to both but lets chance it anyway, you never know he could have been a nervous wreck like bart a few years ago and it might have totally destroyed any confidence he had.
shaw would have happily played despite a sore throat? do you know thats his only problem? have you done or read a medical assessment on him? again that would be a big no.
you would have played fonte and checked him at 45 or 60mins? did you not see the spuds game last week, it was on tv so you might have seen it, when sandro had to come off after 30mins, throwing all the pre-match build up out of the window, because he started with a knock and was unable to start the next 2 games, who knows how much longer hes out for? but you know better and would have chanced ending his career because you don't trust hoover or Yoshi?
punch went for personal reasons ad isn't making a huge impact in a poor team. do you really think that punch is the answer? really?
[quote][p][bold]rossofficial10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rossofficial10[/bold] wrote: most of us saints fans on here are ambitious and want a top 5-7 finish which we were on course for but thanks to poch's silly team selections we are now looking at a finish like last season. probs 13-14th theres a small majority of fans on here who think we dont need any signings and gazza and hoover is the best thing since slice bread and are happy just to finish above the relegation zone every season. Be ambitious for f sake!!![/p][/quote]this post is spot on[/p][/quote]And who would you put in their place?[/p][/quote]This game has gone now but I would of started Cropper to see what hes like. Shaw would of happily played despite bad throat and I would of played him Fonte ( if injured would check him at half time or 60 min mark) Louvren and chambers. where is clyne by the way? and how long is he out for? I also think letting Puncheon go was a bad mistake, who else on the bench offers a plan b?[/p][/quote]Cropper? have you ever seen him play? have you ever hear any match reports of him? that would be no to both but lets chance it anyway, you never know he could have been a nervous wreck like bart a few years ago and it might have totally destroyed any confidence he had. shaw would have happily played despite a sore throat? do you know thats his only problem? have you done or read a medical assessment on him? again that would be a big no. you would have played fonte and checked him at 45 or 60mins? did you not see the spuds game last week, it was on tv so you might have seen it, when sandro had to come off after 30mins, throwing all the pre-match build up out of the window, because he started with a knock and was unable to start the next 2 games, who knows how much longer hes out for? but you know better and would have chanced ending his career because you don't trust hoover or Yoshi? punch went for personal reasons ad isn't making a huge impact in a poor team. do you really think that punch is the answer? really? el caballo santos101

6:38pm Mon 23 Dec 13

st1halo says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Epsom Saint wrote:
We all have our opinions on how Saints should be run and who should be in the team, but it would be arrogant to suggest that any one of us is more qualified or more knowledgeable than the management and coaching staff. MoPo and Nicola have already demonstrated that they know what they are doing and we are lucky to have them - in my opinion. So, if anyone thinks we should make some more signings, play different players or formations then that's fine with me - but to suggest that MoPo and Nicola are "twits" or "silly" is just ridiculous. I believe in them and trust them to make the right decisions.
Football is about opinions....and like ar5e holes every ones got 1!
Very true.
But when we lose some people seem to pass their opinion through their ar5ehole!

STID
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Epsom Saint[/bold] wrote: We all have our opinions on how Saints should be run and who should be in the team, but it would be arrogant to suggest that any one of us is more qualified or more knowledgeable than the management and coaching staff. MoPo and Nicola have already demonstrated that they know what they are doing and we are lucky to have them - in my opinion. So, if anyone thinks we should make some more signings, play different players or formations then that's fine with me - but to suggest that MoPo and Nicola are "twits" or "silly" is just ridiculous. I believe in them and trust them to make the right decisions.[/p][/quote]Football is about opinions....and like ar5e holes every ones got 1![/p][/quote]Very true. But when we lose some people seem to pass their opinion through their ar5ehole! STID st1halo

6:41pm Mon 23 Dec 13

ghk230473 says...

st1halo wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Epsom Saint wrote:
We all have our opinions on how Saints should be run and who should be in the team, but it would be arrogant to suggest that any one of us is more qualified or more knowledgeable than the management and coaching staff. MoPo and Nicola have already demonstrated that they know what they are doing and we are lucky to have them - in my opinion. So, if anyone thinks we should make some more signings, play different players or formations then that's fine with me - but to suggest that MoPo and Nicola are "twits" or "silly" is just ridiculous. I believe in them and trust them to make the right decisions.
Football is about opinions....and like ar5e holes every ones got 1!
Very true.
But when we lose some people seem to pass their opinion through their ar5ehole!

STID
Is that an opinion?
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Epsom Saint[/bold] wrote: We all have our opinions on how Saints should be run and who should be in the team, but it would be arrogant to suggest that any one of us is more qualified or more knowledgeable than the management and coaching staff. MoPo and Nicola have already demonstrated that they know what they are doing and we are lucky to have them - in my opinion. So, if anyone thinks we should make some more signings, play different players or formations then that's fine with me - but to suggest that MoPo and Nicola are "twits" or "silly" is just ridiculous. I believe in them and trust them to make the right decisions.[/p][/quote]Football is about opinions....and like ar5e holes every ones got 1![/p][/quote]Very true. But when we lose some people seem to pass their opinion through their ar5ehole! STID[/p][/quote]Is that an opinion? ghk230473

6:48pm Mon 23 Dec 13

st1halo says...

ghk230473 wrote:
st1halo wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Epsom Saint wrote:
We all have our opinions on how Saints should be run and who should be in the team, but it would be arrogant to suggest that any one of us is more qualified or more knowledgeable than the management and coaching staff. MoPo and Nicola have already demonstrated that they know what they are doing and we are lucky to have them - in my opinion. So, if anyone thinks we should make some more signings, play different players or formations then that's fine with me - but to suggest that MoPo and Nicola are "twits" or "silly" is just ridiculous. I believe in them and trust them to make the right decisions.
Football is about opinions....and like ar5e holes every ones got 1!
Very true.
But when we lose some people seem to pass their opinion through their ar5ehole!

STID
Is that an opinion?
No i think i f@rted!

STID
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Epsom Saint[/bold] wrote: We all have our opinions on how Saints should be run and who should be in the team, but it would be arrogant to suggest that any one of us is more qualified or more knowledgeable than the management and coaching staff. MoPo and Nicola have already demonstrated that they know what they are doing and we are lucky to have them - in my opinion. So, if anyone thinks we should make some more signings, play different players or formations then that's fine with me - but to suggest that MoPo and Nicola are "twits" or "silly" is just ridiculous. I believe in them and trust them to make the right decisions.[/p][/quote]Football is about opinions....and like ar5e holes every ones got 1![/p][/quote]Very true. But when we lose some people seem to pass their opinion through their ar5ehole! STID[/p][/quote]Is that an opinion?[/p][/quote]No i think i f@rted! STID st1halo

6:55pm Mon 23 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

st1halo wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
st1halo wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Epsom Saint wrote:
We all have our opinions on how Saints should be run and who should be in the team, but it would be arrogant to suggest that any one of us is more qualified or more knowledgeable than the management and coaching staff. MoPo and Nicola have already demonstrated that they know what they are doing and we are lucky to have them - in my opinion. So, if anyone thinks we should make some more signings, play different players or formations then that's fine with me - but to suggest that MoPo and Nicola are "twits" or "silly" is just ridiculous. I believe in them and trust them to make the right decisions.
Football is about opinions....and like ar5e holes every ones got 1!
Very true.
But when we lose some people seem to pass their opinion through their ar5ehole!

STID
Is that an opinion?
No i think i f@rted!

STID
Careful with the follow through, only thinking can be a problem.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Epsom Saint[/bold] wrote: We all have our opinions on how Saints should be run and who should be in the team, but it would be arrogant to suggest that any one of us is more qualified or more knowledgeable than the management and coaching staff. MoPo and Nicola have already demonstrated that they know what they are doing and we are lucky to have them - in my opinion. So, if anyone thinks we should make some more signings, play different players or formations then that's fine with me - but to suggest that MoPo and Nicola are "twits" or "silly" is just ridiculous. I believe in them and trust them to make the right decisions.[/p][/quote]Football is about opinions....and like ar5e holes every ones got 1![/p][/quote]Very true. But when we lose some people seem to pass their opinion through their ar5ehole! STID[/p][/quote]Is that an opinion?[/p][/quote]No i think i f@rted! STID[/p][/quote]Careful with the follow through, only thinking can be a problem. OSPREYSAINT

6:59pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Suttonite says...

There has been so much nonsense written here over the last 24hrs. Yes Jos has come to the end of his career for Saints after some great contributions in the past. We all know that Fox should have gone long ago. Not surprisingly, they defended better with Chambers left and JWP right. As for the talk about Gazza, he made no mistakes and was not accountable for any of the goals yesterday. If the defense can't do their job, then the keeper can't always cover their mistakes. Lovren was getting frustrated with the errors but he can't be everywhere. Cork played really well and perhaps could have helped out in the back 4 rather than being subbed. We are a bit short real cover and if JF wasn't fit then Yoshiba could have been used. As for wholesale changes and buying a load of new players, it's just not realistic. Perhaps we were fortunate to find the money during the summer to compete with the big guys, but we don't have a bottomless pit of money every time a transfer window opens. I am worried that Lambert is coming to the end of his time, as well. His contribution was practically non-existent apart from a tap-in. That's not the first time, either. He's not winning balls in the air and looks laboured. Please don't suggest has has had a long season by mid-December. Since his first 2 internationals, he hasn't done a lot. We do need someone to lead the line and maybe Osvaldo can do that, but he hasn't had a decent run. He also doesn't win many balls in the air and it is a problem when we come up against the taller more physical teams. Our passing interplay is superb, but we sometimes get pushed off the ball a bit too easily. After all that, we just need a good win and players back to fitness and the world will be a different place.
There has been so much nonsense written here over the last 24hrs. Yes Jos has come to the end of his career for Saints after some great contributions in the past. We all know that Fox should have gone long ago. Not surprisingly, they defended better with Chambers left and JWP right. As for the talk about Gazza, he made no mistakes and was not accountable for any of the goals yesterday. If the defense can't do their job, then the keeper can't always cover their mistakes. Lovren was getting frustrated with the errors but he can't be everywhere. Cork played really well and perhaps could have helped out in the back 4 rather than being subbed. We are a bit short real cover and if JF wasn't fit then Yoshiba could have been used. As for wholesale changes and buying a load of new players, it's just not realistic. Perhaps we were fortunate to find the money during the summer to compete with the big guys, but we don't have a bottomless pit of money every time a transfer window opens. I am worried that Lambert is coming to the end of his time, as well. His contribution was practically non-existent apart from a tap-in. That's not the first time, either. He's not winning balls in the air and looks laboured. Please don't suggest has has had a long season by mid-December. Since his first 2 internationals, he hasn't done a lot. We do need someone to lead the line and maybe Osvaldo can do that, but he hasn't had a decent run. He also doesn't win many balls in the air and it is a problem when we come up against the taller more physical teams. Our passing interplay is superb, but we sometimes get pushed off the ball a bit too easily. After all that, we just need a good win and players back to fitness and the world will be a different place. Suttonite

7:07pm Mon 23 Dec 13

st1halo says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
st1halo wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
st1halo wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Epsom Saint wrote:
We all have our opinions on how Saints should be run and who should be in the team, but it would be arrogant to suggest that any one of us is more qualified or more knowledgeable than the management and coaching staff. MoPo and Nicola have already demonstrated that they know what they are doing and we are lucky to have them - in my opinion. So, if anyone thinks we should make some more signings, play different players or formations then that's fine with me - but to suggest that MoPo and Nicola are "twits" or "silly" is just ridiculous. I believe in them and trust them to make the right decisions.
Football is about opinions....and like ar5e holes every ones got 1!
Very true.
But when we lose some people seem to pass their opinion through their ar5ehole!

STID
Is that an opinion?
No i think i f@rted!

STID
Careful with the follow through, only thinking can be a problem.
Good one .... cheeky.

Hope everyone has a good Xmas. 9th at Christmas even after a poor run and half a team, who'd have thought it eh? Roll on the second half of the season, lovin' it.

STID
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Epsom Saint[/bold] wrote: We all have our opinions on how Saints should be run and who should be in the team, but it would be arrogant to suggest that any one of us is more qualified or more knowledgeable than the management and coaching staff. MoPo and Nicola have already demonstrated that they know what they are doing and we are lucky to have them - in my opinion. So, if anyone thinks we should make some more signings, play different players or formations then that's fine with me - but to suggest that MoPo and Nicola are "twits" or "silly" is just ridiculous. I believe in them and trust them to make the right decisions.[/p][/quote]Football is about opinions....and like ar5e holes every ones got 1![/p][/quote]Very true. But when we lose some people seem to pass their opinion through their ar5ehole! STID[/p][/quote]Is that an opinion?[/p][/quote]No i think i f@rted! STID[/p][/quote]Careful with the follow through, only thinking can be a problem.[/p][/quote]Good one .... cheeky. Hope everyone has a good Xmas. 9th at Christmas even after a poor run and half a team, who'd have thought it eh? Roll on the second half of the season, lovin' it. STID st1halo

7:36pm Mon 23 Dec 13

JSYSAINT says...

Spot on Suttonite.

My only changes to Sunday's team would have been Cork moving to LB in place of Fox (the sooner we can move him on the better), Yoshida for Hooiveld, JWP in midfield in place of Cork.

If Fonte isn't fit he should not have been on the bench. If he is fit he should have played in place of Yoshida.

Our squad is too thin, we need to purchase a CB and LB in Jan if we can. This will give us the added depth we need at the back.

Merry Christmas all and let's hope we get our show back on the road over the next few games.
Spot on Suttonite. My only changes to Sunday's team would have been Cork moving to LB in place of Fox (the sooner we can move him on the better), Yoshida for Hooiveld, JWP in midfield in place of Cork. If Fonte isn't fit he should not have been on the bench. If he is fit he should have played in place of Yoshida. Our squad is too thin, we need to purchase a CB and LB in Jan if we can. This will give us the added depth we need at the back. Merry Christmas all and let's hope we get our show back on the road over the next few games. JSYSAINT

7:54pm Mon 23 Dec 13

saintbobby says...

Velleity wrote:
up saints wrote:
ivornother wrote:
Velleity wrote:
markodarko29 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
up saints wrote:
lets face villa match was bad spurs match tops that..drop gazza and hoover for the cardiff match or game over before kick off.
And who will you put in there place?
oh hold on this is a difficult one ,what about the player for the first ten games of the season was one of the best players we had ,fonte wasted on the bench at present,much more reliable than clamity jos ,think in goal were stuffed thoe
HE'S INJURED, YOU THICK CNUT!
Well put!!!
HE'S INJURED, YOU THICK CNUT i why was he on the effing bench then
Hmmm. Thirty answers and ideas that *might* answer that given above, not just from me but also from people who saw more than I did. How on earth does anyone but MP and his team know why he was on the bench? Perhaps they thought he could do 20 minutes if two defenders were injured. Perhaps they know more than both you and I.

However, as ever, you fail to suggest any alternative, just another whiney little diatribe.

Answer the question I've asked six or seven times. What team and positions would you have played yesterday and what would have been your bench? You're not allowed Boruc, Davis, Shaw, Fonte, Clyne, Wanyama.

Alternatively, just whine like a **** again and don't suggest any solutions.
I do not see why this post currently has a -4 thumbs down. The point has to be that we have 6 first on the team sheet players out of action. For those bad at maths this is more than HALF the team which was riding so high.

I do not argue with those who believe team selection is disappointing, even wrong, but like one or two others I am still not clear who should have played instead of Gazza, Danny and Hooveld. A big worry at the moment but let's look to the future when all the injuries have healed and we have the original strong squad which started the season.

Disappointment should not ignore the facts and reality.

Be confident, it will come back again, for sure. Up the Saints.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ivornother[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: lets face villa match was bad spurs match tops that..drop gazza and hoover for the cardiff match or game over before kick off.[/p][/quote]And who will you put in there place?[/p][/quote]oh hold on this is a difficult one ,what about the player for the first ten games of the season was one of the best players we had ,fonte wasted on the bench at present,much more reliable than clamity jos ,think in goal were stuffed thoe[/p][/quote]HE'S INJURED, YOU THICK CNUT![/p][/quote]Well put!!![/p][/quote]HE'S INJURED, YOU THICK CNUT i why was he on the effing bench then[/p][/quote]Hmmm. Thirty answers and ideas that *might* answer that given above, not just from me but also from people who saw more than I did. How on earth does anyone but MP and his team know why he was on the bench? Perhaps they thought he could do 20 minutes if two defenders were injured. Perhaps they know more than both you and I. However, as ever, you fail to suggest any alternative, just another whiney little diatribe. Answer the question I've asked six or seven times. What team and positions would you have played yesterday and what would have been your bench? You're not allowed Boruc, Davis, Shaw, Fonte, Clyne, Wanyama. Alternatively, just whine like a **** again and don't suggest any solutions.[/p][/quote]I do not see why this post currently has a -4 thumbs down. The point has to be that we have 6 first on the team sheet players out of action. For those bad at maths this is more than HALF the team which was riding so high. I do not argue with those who believe team selection is disappointing, even wrong, but like one or two others I am still not clear who should have played instead of Gazza, Danny and Hooveld. A big worry at the moment but let's look to the future when all the injuries have healed and we have the original strong squad which started the season. Disappointment should not ignore the facts and reality. Be confident, it will come back again, for sure. Up the Saints. saintbobby

8:03pm Mon 23 Dec 13

miltonnroad76 says...

JSYSAINT wrote:
Spot on Suttonite.

My only changes to Sunday's team would have been Cork moving to LB in place of Fox (the sooner we can move him on the better), Yoshida for Hooiveld, JWP in midfield in place of Cork.

If Fonte isn't fit he should not have been on the bench. If he is fit he should have played in place of Yoshida.

Our squad is too thin, we need to purchase a CB and LB in Jan if we can. This will give us the added depth we need at the back.

Merry Christmas all and let's hope we get our show back on the road over the next few games.
yep. well lets hope mp has finally realised neither of them are worth playing in fact if hooveldt hadnt played we may have done better with 10 men..he is a donkey in the prem league not possible to score 5 own goals in a season or even in career,,,in fact play any of the youngsters even out of position would be better ...bit annoyed at media overstating our slump considering the games and injurys we got. oh well get the players fit and lets show them all how wrong they were again, that is what being a saints fans is all about anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]JSYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Spot on Suttonite. My only changes to Sunday's team would have been Cork moving to LB in place of Fox (the sooner we can move him on the better), Yoshida for Hooiveld, JWP in midfield in place of Cork. If Fonte isn't fit he should not have been on the bench. If he is fit he should have played in place of Yoshida. Our squad is too thin, we need to purchase a CB and LB in Jan if we can. This will give us the added depth we need at the back. Merry Christmas all and let's hope we get our show back on the road over the next few games.[/p][/quote]yep. well lets hope mp has finally realised neither of them are worth playing in fact if hooveldt hadnt played we may have done better with 10 men..he is a donkey in the prem league not possible to score 5 own goals in a season or even in career,,,in fact play any of the youngsters even out of position would be better ...bit annoyed at media overstating our slump considering the games and injurys we got. oh well get the players fit and lets show them all how wrong they were again, that is what being a saints fans is all about anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!!! miltonnroad76

8:12pm Mon 23 Dec 13

miltonnroad76 says...

Folkestone Saint wrote:
donni1437 wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
Datarater wrote:
Seeing Fox and Hoiiveld on the team sheet convinced me before we started we stood no chance. Simple.
Have to agree, they won't let me post what I said when I saw those two in the starting 11, and still feel we would have been better off playing ten men instead of Hoover, you could see on his face he was looking for a hole to hide in, I think he is out of his depth as that was a poor Spurs team we managed to make look good
So if Poch had started with 10 against spurs we'd all be thanking him today?
Thankyou for you "in-put" and of course the answer is no, but I am not thanking him BECAUSE he played him either , what I was suggesting is that he was such a liability that had he not been on the pitch we would have been better off as his positioning and genral input was woefull. What is YOUR opinion on his display yesterday donni?
I agree would have been better with ten men ..many times 10 players draw or beat 11...there wouldnt have been the inevitable og ..and i reckon if he hadnt taken fox off hed have conceded his usual penalty to add to it.Sorry Hoover is liabilty any of the youngsters out of position would do better than fox as left back .
[quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]donni1437[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Datarater[/bold] wrote: Seeing Fox and Hoiiveld on the team sheet convinced me before we started we stood no chance. Simple.[/p][/quote]Have to agree, they won't let me post what I said when I saw those two in the starting 11, and still feel we would have been better off playing ten men instead of Hoover, you could see on his face he was looking for a hole to hide in, I think he is out of his depth as that was a poor Spurs team we managed to make look good[/p][/quote]So if Poch had started with 10 against spurs we'd all be thanking him today?[/p][/quote]Thankyou for you "in-put" and of course the answer is no, but I am not thanking him BECAUSE he played him either , what I was suggesting is that he was such a liability that had he not been on the pitch we would have been better off as his positioning and genral input was woefull. What is YOUR opinion on his display yesterday donni?[/p][/quote]I agree would have been better with ten men ..many times 10 players draw or beat 11...there wouldnt have been the inevitable og ..and i reckon if he hadnt taken fox off hed have conceded his usual penalty to add to it.Sorry Hoover is liabilty any of the youngsters out of position would do better than fox as left back . miltonnroad76

8:21pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Clever Dick says...

saintbobby wrote:
Velleity wrote:
up saints wrote:
ivornother wrote:
Velleity wrote:
markodarko29 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
up saints wrote:
lets face villa match was bad spurs match tops that..drop gazza and hoover for the cardiff match or game over before kick off.
And who will you put in there place?
oh hold on this is a difficult one ,what about the player for the first ten games of the season was one of the best players we had ,fonte wasted on the bench at present,much more reliable than clamity jos ,think in goal were stuffed thoe
HE'S INJURED, YOU THICK CNUT!
Well put!!!
HE'S INJURED, YOU THICK CNUT i why was he on the effing bench then
Hmmm. Thirty answers and ideas that *might* answer that given above, not just from me but also from people who saw more than I did. How on earth does anyone but MP and his team know why he was on the bench? Perhaps they thought he could do 20 minutes if two defenders were injured. Perhaps they know more than both you and I.

However, as ever, you fail to suggest any alternative, just another whiney little diatribe.

Answer the question I've asked six or seven times. What team and positions would you have played yesterday and what would have been your bench? You're not allowed Boruc, Davis, Shaw, Fonte, Clyne, Wanyama.

Alternatively, just whine like a **** again and don't suggest any solutions.
I do not see why this post currently has a -4 thumbs down. The point has to be that we have 6 first on the team sheet players out of action. For those bad at maths this is more than HALF the team which was riding so high.

I do not argue with those who believe team selection is disappointing, even wrong, but like one or two others I am still not clear who should have played instead of Gazza, Danny and Hooveld. A big worry at the moment but let's look to the future when all the injuries have healed and we have the original strong squad which started the season.

Disappointment should not ignore the facts and reality.

Be confident, it will come back again, for sure. Up the Saints.
I wouldn't worry too much about minus scores. After all my totally sensible suggestion that we cut off Arturs broken finger is currently on minus two. I would have thought that was taking one for the team.:-)
[quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ivornother[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: lets face villa match was bad spurs match tops that..drop gazza and hoover for the cardiff match or game over before kick off.[/p][/quote]And who will you put in there place?[/p][/quote]oh hold on this is a difficult one ,what about the player for the first ten games of the season was one of the best players we had ,fonte wasted on the bench at present,much more reliable than clamity jos ,think in goal were stuffed thoe[/p][/quote]HE'S INJURED, YOU THICK CNUT![/p][/quote]Well put!!![/p][/quote]HE'S INJURED, YOU THICK CNUT i why was he on the effing bench then[/p][/quote]Hmmm. Thirty answers and ideas that *might* answer that given above, not just from me but also from people who saw more than I did. How on earth does anyone but MP and his team know why he was on the bench? Perhaps they thought he could do 20 minutes if two defenders were injured. Perhaps they know more than both you and I. However, as ever, you fail to suggest any alternative, just another whiney little diatribe. Answer the question I've asked six or seven times. What team and positions would you have played yesterday and what would have been your bench? You're not allowed Boruc, Davis, Shaw, Fonte, Clyne, Wanyama. Alternatively, just whine like a **** again and don't suggest any solutions.[/p][/quote]I do not see why this post currently has a -4 thumbs down. The point has to be that we have 6 first on the team sheet players out of action. For those bad at maths this is more than HALF the team which was riding so high. I do not argue with those who believe team selection is disappointing, even wrong, but like one or two others I am still not clear who should have played instead of Gazza, Danny and Hooveld. A big worry at the moment but let's look to the future when all the injuries have healed and we have the original strong squad which started the season. Disappointment should not ignore the facts and reality. Be confident, it will come back again, for sure. Up the Saints.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't worry too much about minus scores. After all my totally sensible suggestion that we cut off Arturs broken finger is currently on minus two. I would have thought that was taking one for the team.:-) Clever Dick

8:22pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Clever Dick says...

saintbobby wrote:
Velleity wrote:
up saints wrote:
ivornother wrote:
Velleity wrote:
markodarko29 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
up saints wrote:
lets face villa match was bad spurs match tops that..drop gazza and hoover for the cardiff match or game over before kick off.
And who will you put in there place?
oh hold on this is a difficult one ,what about the player for the first ten games of the season was one of the best players we had ,fonte wasted on the bench at present,much more reliable than clamity jos ,think in goal were stuffed thoe
HE'S INJURED, YOU THICK CNUT!
Well put!!!
HE'S INJURED, YOU THICK CNUT i why was he on the effing bench then
Hmmm. Thirty answers and ideas that *might* answer that given above, not just from me but also from people who saw more than I did. How on earth does anyone but MP and his team know why he was on the bench? Perhaps they thought he could do 20 minutes if two defenders were injured. Perhaps they know more than both you and I.

However, as ever, you fail to suggest any alternative, just another whiney little diatribe.

Answer the question I've asked six or seven times. What team and positions would you have played yesterday and what would have been your bench? You're not allowed Boruc, Davis, Shaw, Fonte, Clyne, Wanyama.

Alternatively, just whine like a **** again and don't suggest any solutions.
I do not see why this post currently has a -4 thumbs down. The point has to be that we have 6 first on the team sheet players out of action. For those bad at maths this is more than HALF the team which was riding so high.

I do not argue with those who believe team selection is disappointing, even wrong, but like one or two others I am still not clear who should have played instead of Gazza, Danny and Hooveld. A big worry at the moment but let's look to the future when all the injuries have healed and we have the original strong squad which started the season.

Disappointment should not ignore the facts and reality.

Be confident, it will come back again, for sure. Up the Saints.
I wouldn't worry too much about minus scores. After all my totally sensible suggestion that we cut off Arturs broken finger is currently on minus two. I would have thought that was taking one for the team.:-)
[quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ivornother[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: lets face villa match was bad spurs match tops that..drop gazza and hoover for the cardiff match or game over before kick off.[/p][/quote]And who will you put in there place?[/p][/quote]oh hold on this is a difficult one ,what about the player for the first ten games of the season was one of the best players we had ,fonte wasted on the bench at present,much more reliable than clamity jos ,think in goal were stuffed thoe[/p][/quote]HE'S INJURED, YOU THICK CNUT![/p][/quote]Well put!!![/p][/quote]HE'S INJURED, YOU THICK CNUT i why was he on the effing bench then[/p][/quote]Hmmm. Thirty answers and ideas that *might* answer that given above, not just from me but also from people who saw more than I did. How on earth does anyone but MP and his team know why he was on the bench? Perhaps they thought he could do 20 minutes if two defenders were injured. Perhaps they know more than both you and I. However, as ever, you fail to suggest any alternative, just another whiney little diatribe. Answer the question I've asked six or seven times. What team and positions would you have played yesterday and what would have been your bench? You're not allowed Boruc, Davis, Shaw, Fonte, Clyne, Wanyama. Alternatively, just whine like a **** again and don't suggest any solutions.[/p][/quote]I do not see why this post currently has a -4 thumbs down. The point has to be that we have 6 first on the team sheet players out of action. For those bad at maths this is more than HALF the team which was riding so high. I do not argue with those who believe team selection is disappointing, even wrong, but like one or two others I am still not clear who should have played instead of Gazza, Danny and Hooveld. A big worry at the moment but let's look to the future when all the injuries have healed and we have the original strong squad which started the season. Disappointment should not ignore the facts and reality. Be confident, it will come back again, for sure. Up the Saints.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't worry too much about minus scores. After all my totally sensible suggestion that we cut off Arturs broken finger is currently on minus two. I would have thought that was taking one for the team.:-) Clever Dick

10:01pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

Clever Dick wrote:
saintbobby wrote:
Velleity wrote:
up saints wrote:
ivornother wrote:
Velleity wrote:
markodarko29 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
up saints wrote:
lets face villa match was bad spurs match tops that..drop gazza and hoover for the cardiff match or game over before kick off.
And who will you put in there place?
oh hold on this is a difficult one ,what about the player for the first ten games of the season was one of the best players we had ,fonte wasted on the bench at present,much more reliable than clamity jos ,think in goal were stuffed thoe
HE'S INJURED, YOU THICK CNUT!
Well put!!!
HE'S INJURED, YOU THICK CNUT i why was he on the effing bench then
Hmmm. Thirty answers and ideas that *might* answer that given above, not just from me but also from people who saw more than I did. How on earth does anyone but MP and his team know why he was on the bench? Perhaps they thought he could do 20 minutes if two defenders were injured. Perhaps they know more than both you and I.

However, as ever, you fail to suggest any alternative, just another whiney little diatribe.

Answer the question I've asked six or seven times. What team and positions would you have played yesterday and what would have been your bench? You're not allowed Boruc, Davis, Shaw, Fonte, Clyne, Wanyama.

Alternatively, just whine like a **** again and don't suggest any solutions.
I do not see why this post currently has a -4 thumbs down. The point has to be that we have 6 first on the team sheet players out of action. For those bad at maths this is more than HALF the team which was riding so high.

I do not argue with those who believe team selection is disappointing, even wrong, but like one or two others I am still not clear who should have played instead of Gazza, Danny and Hooveld. A big worry at the moment but let's look to the future when all the injuries have healed and we have the original strong squad which started the season.

Disappointment should not ignore the facts and reality.

Be confident, it will come back again, for sure. Up the Saints.
I wouldn't worry too much about minus scores. After all my totally sensible suggestion that we cut off Arturs broken finger is currently on minus two. I would have thought that was taking one for the team.:-)
This weekend has certainly divided opinion into two camps:

Those wonderful, sensible, level-headed people who totally agree with me and those total brain-dead idiots who don't. :-)
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ivornother[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markodarko29[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: lets face villa match was bad spurs match tops that..drop gazza and hoover for the cardiff match or game over before kick off.[/p][/quote]And who will you put in there place?[/p][/quote]oh hold on this is a difficult one ,what about the player for the first ten games of the season was one of the best players we had ,fonte wasted on the bench at present,much more reliable than clamity jos ,think in goal were stuffed thoe[/p][/quote]HE'S INJURED, YOU THICK CNUT![/p][/quote]Well put!!![/p][/quote]HE'S INJURED, YOU THICK CNUT i why was he on the effing bench then[/p][/quote]Hmmm. Thirty answers and ideas that *might* answer that given above, not just from me but also from people who saw more than I did. How on earth does anyone but MP and his team know why he was on the bench? Perhaps they thought he could do 20 minutes if two defenders were injured. Perhaps they know more than both you and I. However, as ever, you fail to suggest any alternative, just another whiney little diatribe. Answer the question I've asked six or seven times. What team and positions would you have played yesterday and what would have been your bench? You're not allowed Boruc, Davis, Shaw, Fonte, Clyne, Wanyama. Alternatively, just whine like a **** again and don't suggest any solutions.[/p][/quote]I do not see why this post currently has a -4 thumbs down. The point has to be that we have 6 first on the team sheet players out of action. For those bad at maths this is more than HALF the team which was riding so high. I do not argue with those who believe team selection is disappointing, even wrong, but like one or two others I am still not clear who should have played instead of Gazza, Danny and Hooveld. A big worry at the moment but let's look to the future when all the injuries have healed and we have the original strong squad which started the season. Disappointment should not ignore the facts and reality. Be confident, it will come back again, for sure. Up the Saints.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't worry too much about minus scores. After all my totally sensible suggestion that we cut off Arturs broken finger is currently on minus two. I would have thought that was taking one for the team.:-)[/p][/quote]This weekend has certainly divided opinion into two camps: Those wonderful, sensible, level-headed people who totally agree with me and those total brain-dead idiots who don't. :-) Strasbourg Saint

10:16pm Mon 23 Dec 13

popper says...

everyone seems to over-react when winning and losing runs. its going to happen to all teams outside the big 7, especially when your key players re injured. im as disappointed as anyone with the villa and spurs results but they are two better away sides (spurs # 1 I think on stats) and both had 3 shots on targets and scored goals from their only 3 shots on target. it happens.
look at our 9 games from Chelsea on new years day back. nightmare games and we may be lucky we have are injury spell then
to be a top 8 side we knew we needed 20 pints from the first 11 easier games and 10 points from the next 9 nightmares.
we did better at the beginning and worse now. we are still playing relatively good football. no one has turned us over. we will pick up points when w don't expect tem (liverpool) and drop some when we do (villa)
we will be top 10.
could be worse. we could have big sam and play that woeful tat week in and out, happy we bore the opposition in to giving us points
everyone seems to over-react when winning and losing runs. its going to happen to all teams outside the big 7, especially when your key players re injured. im as disappointed as anyone with the villa and spurs results but they are two better away sides (spurs # 1 I think on stats) and both had 3 shots on targets and scored goals from their only 3 shots on target. it happens. look at our 9 games from Chelsea on new years day back. nightmare games and we may be lucky we have are injury spell then to be a top 8 side we knew we needed 20 pints from the first 11 easier games and 10 points from the next 9 nightmares. we did better at the beginning and worse now. we are still playing relatively good football. no one has turned us over. we will pick up points when w don't expect tem (liverpool) and drop some when we do (villa) we will be top 10. could be worse. we could have big sam and play that woeful tat week in and out, happy we bore the opposition in to giving us points popper

7:46am Tue 24 Dec 13

Stroppy_gramps says...

no need to panic.

I think Ramirez is going.
Osvaldo, in my personal opinion, wasn't in the team because of the silliness he got involved in. Probably.

Thing is - Saints play their cards close to their chest, if they feel it is an internal matter then they won't talk about it. No one should be surprised - we all know the club policy on things like transfers so it's not too great a leap of the imagination that they might not talk about an internal disciplinary matter.

I don't think Osvaldo is going, but if he is then so long and thanks for all the fish. If he isn't a lot of you just wasted a lot of emotion on nothing but a rumour.
For me, the January window is the wrong time to spend. I believe any club should only ever buy if a player becomes available that would clearly make an improvement on the pitch. Our youngsters are the key here - they are improving and learning with every match, teamwork is the key. NC wants to build something special at Southampton and this is just the beginning.

So, in the words of the immortal Red Leader - 'Stay on target'
no need to panic. I think Ramirez is going. Osvaldo, in my personal opinion, wasn't in the team because of the silliness he got involved in. Probably. Thing is - Saints play their cards close to their chest, if they feel it is an internal matter then they won't talk about it. No one should be surprised - we all know the club policy on things like transfers so it's not too great a leap of the imagination that they might not talk about an internal disciplinary matter. I don't think Osvaldo is going, but if he is then so long and thanks for all the fish. If he isn't a lot of you just wasted a lot of emotion on nothing but a rumour. For me, the January window is the wrong time to spend. I believe any club should only ever buy if a player becomes available that would clearly make an improvement on the pitch. Our youngsters are the key here - they are improving and learning with every match, teamwork is the key. NC wants to build something special at Southampton and this is just the beginning. So, in the words of the immortal Red Leader - 'Stay on target' Stroppy_gramps

8:45am Tue 24 Dec 13

White and red till dead says...

JSYSAINT wrote:
Unfortunately, he is right! Fox and Jos are not up to it. two of the three Spurs goals were poorly defended by them and Jos kindly gave us one of his OG's...great! The loss of Wanyama has left huge hole in our midfield...he brings control, strength and presence. Fonte on the bench...ridiculous.
Fox made an assist for the first goal...
[quote][p][bold]JSYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately, he is right! Fox and Jos are not up to it. two of the three Spurs goals were poorly defended by them and Jos kindly gave us one of his OG's...great! The loss of Wanyama has left huge hole in our midfield...he brings control, strength and presence. Fonte on the bench...ridiculous.[/p][/quote]Fox made an assist for the first goal... White and red till dead

2:34pm Sat 28 Dec 13

alanstreet46 says...

Let's get a sense of proportion chaps. All seems a bit too negative to me. OK, you can criticise Poch/Osvaldo and all the other whipping boys, but please don't forget that we've been way under strength over recent games. The result at Cardiff was a sample of what hopefully can be achieved over coming weeks. However I couldn't agree more with a previoous post which implied that Poch is being stupid in the extreme in ruling out any further acquisitions in Jan. Clearly the demands of the PL require first-class cover for ALL positions: something that saints sadly lack at present.

If Poch can't get this basic fact I think he should be told to get on his bike
I have a good Evertonian friend and he's a bit nervous about Sunday's game. If we can come away without losing, that will be a good omen indeed given that Boruc and Wanyama are still out.
Let's get a sense of proportion chaps. All seems a bit too negative to me. OK, you can criticise Poch/Osvaldo and all the other whipping boys, but please don't forget that we've been way under strength over recent games. The result at Cardiff was a sample of what hopefully can be achieved over coming weeks. However I couldn't agree more with a previoous post which implied that Poch is being stupid in the extreme in ruling out any further acquisitions in Jan. Clearly the demands of the PL require first-class cover for ALL positions: something that saints sadly lack at present. If Poch can't get this basic fact I think he should be told to get on his bike I have a good Evertonian friend and he's a bit nervous about Sunday's game. If we can come away without losing, that will be a good omen indeed given that Boruc and Wanyama are still out. alanstreet46

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