Poch rues 'undeserved' defeat

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Mauricio Pochettino felt his side deserved a lot more than they got as they rounded off 2013 with a 2-1 defeat at Everton.

A successful year for the club threatened to finish on a real high as Saints dominated spells of the game at Goodison Park.

They drew level in the second half, substitute Gaston Ramirez driving home from distance to cancel out an early goal from Seamus Coleman.

However, parity lasted just three minutes before Romelu Lukaku scored what proved to be the winner.

“I think overall the game was a very good game with both teams proposing attacking football,” said Pochettino. “It was good going forward football.

“It is a shame because we leave with nothing and I think we deserved a lot more from this game.

“I think overall the team played very well and there were many phases of the game where we were superior to Everton.

“It’s clear that we are a young team but it’s a team that has a personality, it has a certain attacking style that it tries to always impose that attacking style wherever it’s playing.

“It always tries to go for the three points, to go for the win.

“It’s very important also that we try to recover the players who are missing and that will make us a lot stronger than we already are.”

Saints have endured a mixed time of it of late with the Boxing Day win at Cardiff their only victory in a tough last eight fixtures.

However, they are starting to get senior players back fit again and Pochettino insisted he was “not worried at all,” by recent form.

“We all saw what happened in this game and I think we deserved a lot more from this game,” he reflected.

“From the three shots they had on goal they scored twice.

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“We created a lot of chances for ourselves but in the end we came away with nothing.”

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5:02pm Sun 29 Dec 13

David Crook says...

The difference between the top teams and us is finishing,we creat chances,but half chances we just can't put away,that was shown to-day.Can we get Puncheon back please.
The difference between the top teams and us is finishing,we creat chances,but half chances we just can't put away,that was shown to-day.Can we get Puncheon back please. David Crook

5:02pm Sun 29 Dec 13

REDARMYRULETHESOUTH says...

Fantastic effort by the lads - when we got it back to 1-1 it looked like the SUPER SAINTS had salvaged a point.

What the Manager and the Team have got to solve is how to turn good possession and performance into points.

The clue lies in the fact that Everton had 3 shots on Target and 2 goals. Lots of teams are doing that to us. Overall we have to improve further defensively as a unit. We need our Number 1 Goalkeeper back and we need our own Strikers to be getting shots on Target and getting goals regularly.

We want to move onto the next level and tried to purchase a TOP STRIKER to help our cause. We paid out millions but have not had the results. JRod is doing well - Rickie needs more goals and Osvaldo even more goals.

Chelsea is up next and last Season we secured A FANTASTIC RESULT.

John Terry is always a threat from a set piece when we played them recently and THIS IS A GAME WE WANT TO AND CAN WIN.

We must defend with our lives and STRIKE-FIGHT-WIN

WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON.

COYR
Fantastic effort by the lads - when we got it back to 1-1 it looked like the SUPER SAINTS had salvaged a point. What the Manager and the Team have got to solve is how to turn good possession and performance into points. The clue lies in the fact that Everton had 3 shots on Target and 2 goals. Lots of teams are doing that to us. Overall we have to improve further defensively as a unit. We need our Number 1 Goalkeeper back and we need our own Strikers to be getting shots on Target and getting goals regularly. We want to move onto the next level and tried to purchase a TOP STRIKER to help our cause. We paid out millions but have not had the results. JRod is doing well - Rickie needs more goals and Osvaldo even more goals. Chelsea is up next and last Season we secured A FANTASTIC RESULT. John Terry is always a threat from a set piece when we played them recently and THIS IS A GAME WE WANT TO AND CAN WIN. We must defend with our lives and STRIKE-FIGHT-WIN WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON. COYR REDARMYRULETHESOUTH

5:14pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Confucious says...

Very disappointed of course. But I'd have settled for a draw v Spurs, at Cardiff and at Everton. As it happens we've got three points.

Well......helps keep my spirits up anyway.

And of course three points v Chelsea would put them on cloud nine.

Come on Saints!
Very disappointed of course. But I'd have settled for a draw v Spurs, at Cardiff and at Everton. As it happens we've got three points. Well......helps keep my spirits up anyway. And of course three points v Chelsea would put them on cloud nine. Come on Saints! Confucious

5:52pm Sun 29 Dec 13

RealTalkSouthampton says...

Heard the game on the radio. We have had a brilliant 2013. We are at a massive cross-roads. The only way to make quick progress is to buy experienced quality players. Or the alternative is to blood young players through which will take 5-10 years. I prefer the second option, but as I said were at a cross-roads.

Also looking at everton and all the very top clubs. You have to have a striker that creates his own goals from nothing as well as finishing at lease 1 out of 2 chances. We currently don't have this, RL has been exceptional for us but like Adkins can only take us so far. Osvaldo has proven pedigree and will take a season to adjust.

Overal I think fans need to enjoy the moment more as breaking into the top 4 will take time with ups and downs.

Remember we are in uncharted waters and nobody at the club has any experience of top 6 football in the premiership.

Coyr
Heard the game on the radio. We have had a brilliant 2013. We are at a massive cross-roads. The only way to make quick progress is to buy experienced quality players. Or the alternative is to blood young players through which will take 5-10 years. I prefer the second option, but as I said were at a cross-roads. Also looking at everton and all the very top clubs. You have to have a striker that creates his own goals from nothing as well as finishing at lease 1 out of 2 chances. We currently don't have this, RL has been exceptional for us but like Adkins can only take us so far. Osvaldo has proven pedigree and will take a season to adjust. Overal I think fans need to enjoy the moment more as breaking into the top 4 will take time with ups and downs. Remember we are in uncharted waters and nobody at the club has any experience of top 6 football in the premiership. Coyr RealTalkSouthampton

6:25pm Sun 29 Dec 13

westfordUSAsaints says...

RealTalkSouthampton wrote:
Heard the game on the radio. We have had a brilliant 2013. We are at a massive cross-roads. The only way to make quick progress is to buy experienced quality players. Or the alternative is to blood young players through which will take 5-10 years. I prefer the second option, but as I said were at a cross-roads.

Also looking at everton and all the very top clubs. You have to have a striker that creates his own goals from nothing as well as finishing at lease 1 out of 2 chances. We currently don't have this, RL has been exceptional for us but like Adkins can only take us so far. Osvaldo has proven pedigree and will take a season to adjust.

Overal I think fans need to enjoy the moment more as breaking into the top 4 will take time with ups and downs.

Remember we are in uncharted waters and nobody at the club has any experience of top 6 football in the premiership.

Coyr
Well put!

Consolidate this year, go again next. Bank more of the cash, buy 2-3 experienced players in the summer to strengthen and replace the squad players being moved out, like this year, keep bringing the kids through to gain the experience as we go.

There are always three groups, the top 6, the next 5 and then the ones struggling along at the bottom. We have now clearly moved into the mid pack of the second group. We have to be happy with that, this is only half way through our second year back. Remember where we were 3 years ago?

I doubt it will take 5-10 years to bring the youngsters in, maybe 2-3. The fact he's got Reed and Gallagher on the bench means he plans to play them now.
[quote][p][bold]RealTalkSouthampton[/bold] wrote: Heard the game on the radio. We have had a brilliant 2013. We are at a massive cross-roads. The only way to make quick progress is to buy experienced quality players. Or the alternative is to blood young players through which will take 5-10 years. I prefer the second option, but as I said were at a cross-roads. Also looking at everton and all the very top clubs. You have to have a striker that creates his own goals from nothing as well as finishing at lease 1 out of 2 chances. We currently don't have this, RL has been exceptional for us but like Adkins can only take us so far. Osvaldo has proven pedigree and will take a season to adjust. Overal I think fans need to enjoy the moment more as breaking into the top 4 will take time with ups and downs. Remember we are in uncharted waters and nobody at the club has any experience of top 6 football in the premiership. Coyr[/p][/quote]Well put! Consolidate this year, go again next. Bank more of the cash, buy 2-3 experienced players in the summer to strengthen and replace the squad players being moved out, like this year, keep bringing the kids through to gain the experience as we go. There are always three groups, the top 6, the next 5 and then the ones struggling along at the bottom. We have now clearly moved into the mid pack of the second group. We have to be happy with that, this is only half way through our second year back. Remember where we were 3 years ago? I doubt it will take 5-10 years to bring the youngsters in, maybe 2-3. The fact he's got Reed and Gallagher on the bench means he plans to play them now. westfordUSAsaints

6:33pm Sun 29 Dec 13

angus mc coatup says...

David Crook wrote:
The difference between the top teams and us is finishing,we creat chances,but half chances we just can't put away,that was shown to-day.Can we get Puncheon back please.
Would that be the Jason Puncheon that has scored precisely none !!
for Palace.....
[quote][p][bold]David Crook[/bold] wrote: The difference between the top teams and us is finishing,we creat chances,but half chances we just can't put away,that was shown to-day.Can we get Puncheon back please.[/p][/quote]Would that be the Jason Puncheon that has scored precisely none !! for Palace..... angus mc coatup

6:41pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Little Hitler says...

westfordUSAsaints wrote:
RealTalkSouthampton wrote:
Heard the game on the radio. We have had a brilliant 2013. We are at a massive cross-roads. The only way to make quick progress is to buy experienced quality players. Or the alternative is to blood young players through which will take 5-10 years. I prefer the second option, but as I said were at a cross-roads.

Also looking at everton and all the very top clubs. You have to have a striker that creates his own goals from nothing as well as finishing at lease 1 out of 2 chances. We currently don't have this, RL has been exceptional for us but like Adkins can only take us so far. Osvaldo has proven pedigree and will take a season to adjust.

Overal I think fans need to enjoy the moment more as breaking into the top 4 will take time with ups and downs.

Remember we are in uncharted waters and nobody at the club has any experience of top 6 football in the premiership.

Coyr
Well put!

Consolidate this year, go again next. Bank more of the cash, buy 2-3 experienced players in the summer to strengthen and replace the squad players being moved out, like this year, keep bringing the kids through to gain the experience as we go.

There are always three groups, the top 6, the next 5 and then the ones struggling along at the bottom. We have now clearly moved into the mid pack of the second group. We have to be happy with that, this is only half way through our second year back. Remember where we were 3 years ago?

I doubt it will take 5-10 years to bring the youngsters in, maybe 2-3. The fact he's got Reed and Gallagher on the bench means he plans to play them now.
Hell yes. I bloomin hate loosing but if you count to 10 after a defeat you realise just how far we've come in a very short period of time.

Finish top 10 this season, bank the Monopoly money in the summer (which will be significantly more if we do finish mid-table) then go again with more top quality signings.

I'm going to enjoy the 2nd half of this season knowing that we're safe as houses and upwardly mobile.

Merry New Year one and all!
[quote][p][bold]westfordUSAsaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RealTalkSouthampton[/bold] wrote: Heard the game on the radio. We have had a brilliant 2013. We are at a massive cross-roads. The only way to make quick progress is to buy experienced quality players. Or the alternative is to blood young players through which will take 5-10 years. I prefer the second option, but as I said were at a cross-roads. Also looking at everton and all the very top clubs. You have to have a striker that creates his own goals from nothing as well as finishing at lease 1 out of 2 chances. We currently don't have this, RL has been exceptional for us but like Adkins can only take us so far. Osvaldo has proven pedigree and will take a season to adjust. Overal I think fans need to enjoy the moment more as breaking into the top 4 will take time with ups and downs. Remember we are in uncharted waters and nobody at the club has any experience of top 6 football in the premiership. Coyr[/p][/quote]Well put! Consolidate this year, go again next. Bank more of the cash, buy 2-3 experienced players in the summer to strengthen and replace the squad players being moved out, like this year, keep bringing the kids through to gain the experience as we go. There are always three groups, the top 6, the next 5 and then the ones struggling along at the bottom. We have now clearly moved into the mid pack of the second group. We have to be happy with that, this is only half way through our second year back. Remember where we were 3 years ago? I doubt it will take 5-10 years to bring the youngsters in, maybe 2-3. The fact he's got Reed and Gallagher on the bench means he plans to play them now.[/p][/quote]Hell yes. I bloomin hate loosing but if you count to 10 after a defeat you realise just how far we've come in a very short period of time. Finish top 10 this season, bank the Monopoly money in the summer (which will be significantly more if we do finish mid-table) then go again with more top quality signings. I'm going to enjoy the 2nd half of this season knowing that we're safe as houses and upwardly mobile. Merry New Year one and all! Little Hitler

6:46pm Sun 29 Dec 13

warrens 76 says...

Never liked Fergie because I do not like plastic Mufco and yet I admired the way he stood up to referee's and effectively terrorised them into giving his team the benefit of the doubt..

Much as I applaud NA and Mo Po for decency a bit of hairdryer and the fear factor might have got a many penalty's and points.

Somehow SFC have to complain about Clattenberg he is the 12th man time and again for the opposition…enough is enough..
Never liked Fergie because I do not like plastic Mufco and yet I admired the way he stood up to referee's and effectively terrorised them into giving his team the benefit of the doubt.. Much as I applaud NA and Mo Po for decency a bit of hairdryer and the fear factor might have got a many penalty's and points. Somehow SFC have to complain about Clattenberg he is the 12th man time and again for the opposition…enough is enough.. warrens 76

6:47pm Sun 29 Dec 13

westfordUSAsaints says...

David Crook wrote:
The difference between the top teams and us is finishing,we creat chances,but half chances we just can't put away,that was shown to-day.Can we get Puncheon back please.
To do what? Lose to ball all the time, unable to beat anyone. Best we leave him where he is and sell him ASAP.
[quote][p][bold]David Crook[/bold] wrote: The difference between the top teams and us is finishing,we creat chances,but half chances we just can't put away,that was shown to-day.Can we get Puncheon back please.[/p][/quote]To do what? Lose to ball all the time, unable to beat anyone. Best we leave him where he is and sell him ASAP. westfordUSAsaints

6:49pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

Little Hitler wrote:
westfordUSAsaints wrote:
RealTalkSouthampton wrote:
Heard the game on the radio. We have had a brilliant 2013. We are at a massive cross-roads. The only way to make quick progress is to buy experienced quality players. Or the alternative is to blood young players through which will take 5-10 years. I prefer the second option, but as I said were at a cross-roads.

Also looking at everton and all the very top clubs. You have to have a striker that creates his own goals from nothing as well as finishing at lease 1 out of 2 chances. We currently don't have this, RL has been exceptional for us but like Adkins can only take us so far. Osvaldo has proven pedigree and will take a season to adjust.

Overal I think fans need to enjoy the moment more as breaking into the top 4 will take time with ups and downs.

Remember we are in uncharted waters and nobody at the club has any experience of top 6 football in the premiership.

Coyr
Well put!

Consolidate this year, go again next. Bank more of the cash, buy 2-3 experienced players in the summer to strengthen and replace the squad players being moved out, like this year, keep bringing the kids through to gain the experience as we go.

There are always three groups, the top 6, the next 5 and then the ones struggling along at the bottom. We have now clearly moved into the mid pack of the second group. We have to be happy with that, this is only half way through our second year back. Remember where we were 3 years ago?

I doubt it will take 5-10 years to bring the youngsters in, maybe 2-3. The fact he's got Reed and Gallagher on the bench means he plans to play them now.
Hell yes. I bloomin hate loosing but if you count to 10 after a defeat you realise just how far we've come in a very short period of time.

Finish top 10 this season, bank the Monopoly money in the summer (which will be significantly more if we do finish mid-table) then go again with more top quality signings.

I'm going to enjoy the 2nd half of this season knowing that we're safe as houses and upwardly mobile.

Merry New Year one and all!
Three great posts. Spot on and plenty of perspective. Many thanks.
[quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]westfordUSAsaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RealTalkSouthampton[/bold] wrote: Heard the game on the radio. We have had a brilliant 2013. We are at a massive cross-roads. The only way to make quick progress is to buy experienced quality players. Or the alternative is to blood young players through which will take 5-10 years. I prefer the second option, but as I said were at a cross-roads. Also looking at everton and all the very top clubs. You have to have a striker that creates his own goals from nothing as well as finishing at lease 1 out of 2 chances. We currently don't have this, RL has been exceptional for us but like Adkins can only take us so far. Osvaldo has proven pedigree and will take a season to adjust. Overal I think fans need to enjoy the moment more as breaking into the top 4 will take time with ups and downs. Remember we are in uncharted waters and nobody at the club has any experience of top 6 football in the premiership. Coyr[/p][/quote]Well put! Consolidate this year, go again next. Bank more of the cash, buy 2-3 experienced players in the summer to strengthen and replace the squad players being moved out, like this year, keep bringing the kids through to gain the experience as we go. There are always three groups, the top 6, the next 5 and then the ones struggling along at the bottom. We have now clearly moved into the mid pack of the second group. We have to be happy with that, this is only half way through our second year back. Remember where we were 3 years ago? I doubt it will take 5-10 years to bring the youngsters in, maybe 2-3. The fact he's got Reed and Gallagher on the bench means he plans to play them now.[/p][/quote]Hell yes. I bloomin hate loosing but if you count to 10 after a defeat you realise just how far we've come in a very short period of time. Finish top 10 this season, bank the Monopoly money in the summer (which will be significantly more if we do finish mid-table) then go again with more top quality signings. I'm going to enjoy the 2nd half of this season knowing that we're safe as houses and upwardly mobile. Merry New Year one and all![/p][/quote]Three great posts. Spot on and plenty of perspective. Many thanks. Strasbourg Saint

6:56pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Never liked Fergie because I do not like plastic Mufco and yet I admired the way he stood up to referee's and effectively terrorised them into giving his team the benefit of the doubt..

Much as I applaud NA and Mo Po for decency a bit of hairdryer and the fear factor might have got a many penalty's and points.

Somehow SFC have to complain about Clattenberg he is the 12th man time and again for the opposition…enough is enough..
It's not really Clutt's fault. It's time the FA grew some and stopped allowing the refs to get bullied by the likes of Fergie and Jose.

I admire MP (as I did NA) for not lowering themselves to the same level.

But you're right in that enough is enough, Warrens.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Never liked Fergie because I do not like plastic Mufco and yet I admired the way he stood up to referee's and effectively terrorised them into giving his team the benefit of the doubt.. Much as I applaud NA and Mo Po for decency a bit of hairdryer and the fear factor might have got a many penalty's and points. Somehow SFC have to complain about Clattenberg he is the 12th man time and again for the opposition…enough is enough..[/p][/quote]It's not really Clutt's fault. It's time the FA grew some and stopped allowing the refs to get bullied by the likes of Fergie and Jose. I admire MP (as I did NA) for not lowering themselves to the same level. But you're right in that enough is enough, Warrens. Strasbourg Saint

7:15pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Baddesley Bill says...

David Crook wrote:
The difference between the top teams and us is finishing,we creat chances,but half chances we just can't put away,that was shown to-day.Can we get Puncheon back please.
Sorry David..I don't profess to be a football tactical genius....but even I can see that JP is not the answer. Just a little sharper on goal...and we can be top four material.

The only issue is that "just a little sharper up front" equates to about £60m in the EPL.
[quote][p][bold]David Crook[/bold] wrote: The difference between the top teams and us is finishing,we creat chances,but half chances we just can't put away,that was shown to-day.Can we get Puncheon back please.[/p][/quote]Sorry David..I don't profess to be a football tactical genius....but even I can see that JP is not the answer. Just a little sharper on goal...and we can be top four material. The only issue is that "just a little sharper up front" equates to about £60m in the EPL. Baddesley Bill

7:15pm Sun 29 Dec 13

AdamG10 says...

I thought we played extremely well today and were unlucky not to come away with at least a draw. Lallana was quality again. The skill and speed of thought he showed to flick the ball over two defenders not once but twice was sublime, Shame he snatched at his shot. Ramirez looked great and scored a cracker. I would like to see him start against Chelsea. At the moment I think we just lack a bit of pace, creativity and another class CB. For all the posession we have we don't create enough clear chances. On the whole its been a great 2013 for saints and we've played some of the best football I've seen in my lifetime as a Saints fan. I tip my hat to everyone at the club and wish all of them and the posters on here a Happy new year!
I thought we played extremely well today and were unlucky not to come away with at least a draw. Lallana was quality again. The skill and speed of thought he showed to flick the ball over two defenders not once but twice was sublime, Shame he snatched at his shot. Ramirez looked great and scored a cracker. I would like to see him start against Chelsea. At the moment I think we just lack a bit of pace, creativity and another class CB. For all the posession we have we don't create enough clear chances. On the whole its been a great 2013 for saints and we've played some of the best football I've seen in my lifetime as a Saints fan. I tip my hat to everyone at the club and wish all of them and the posters on here a Happy new year! AdamG10

7:30pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Golden_Salamander says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Never liked Fergie because I do not like plastic Mufco and yet I admired the way he stood up to referee's and effectively terrorised them into giving his team the benefit of the doubt..

Much as I applaud NA and Mo Po for decency a bit of hairdryer and the fear factor might have got a many penalty's and points.

Somehow SFC have to complain about Clattenberg he is the 12th man time and again for the opposition…enough is enough..
I agree it is about time the club objected to Clattenburg being allowed to Ref Saints games..
.
How many remember :-
1/ The dive by holt at Norwich last year in the 94min. Thanks to AB it stayed 0-0 but the Club got a 20k fine for confronting him at the final whistle.
2/ Fulham home he disallows a Jason goal when 1-0 and everyone said there was no pushing but Clattenburg invented a reason to disallow the goal.
3/ Norwich home he gives Norwich a free kick on the edge of our box in the 45min for a Snodgrass dive from which they score. So instead of going in 1-0 up at half time he gives yet another major decision against Saints.
4/ Arsenal this season he see Fonte shirt pulling but if you look at Saints player highlights an Arsenal player is doing the SAME TO JOS at the same time. Of course Clattenburg only see Fonte shirt pull.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: Never liked Fergie because I do not like plastic Mufco and yet I admired the way he stood up to referee's and effectively terrorised them into giving his team the benefit of the doubt.. Much as I applaud NA and Mo Po for decency a bit of hairdryer and the fear factor might have got a many penalty's and points. Somehow SFC have to complain about Clattenberg he is the 12th man time and again for the opposition…enough is enough..[/p][/quote]I agree it is about time the club objected to Clattenburg being allowed to Ref Saints games.. . How many remember :- 1/ The dive by holt at Norwich last year in the 94min. Thanks to AB it stayed 0-0 but the Club got a 20k fine for confronting him at the final whistle. 2/ Fulham home he disallows a Jason goal when 1-0 and everyone said there was no pushing but Clattenburg invented a reason to disallow the goal. 3/ Norwich home he gives Norwich a free kick on the edge of our box in the 45min for a Snodgrass dive from which they score. So instead of going in 1-0 up at half time he gives yet another major decision against Saints. 4/ Arsenal this season he see Fonte shirt pulling but if you look at Saints player highlights an Arsenal player is doing the SAME TO JOS at the same time. Of course Clattenburg only see Fonte shirt pull. Golden_Salamander

7:37pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Saintsteve7 says...

Starting to get really fed up with opposing fans stating we were best side they've faced this season. Unfortunately these performances just aren't translating into goals and wins. Time for some winning ugly I think!
Starting to get really fed up with opposing fans stating we were best side they've faced this season. Unfortunately these performances just aren't translating into goals and wins. Time for some winning ugly I think! Saintsteve7

7:52pm Sun 29 Dec 13

saint Compo says...

No question we should have had a penalty late in the game from Lallana's cross from the left which was clearly hand-to-ball. But referees are frightened to give anything against the bigger teams at home.

I watched the Chelski/Liverpuddle game on Sky and even our supposed top referee, Howard Webb, denied Liverpool a clear-cut penalty when Eto'o blatantly knocked Suarez over in the box. Eto'o should have been red carded after 2 minutes but Webb didn't have the bottle. Late in the game a skirmish between 2 players after a really bad tackle by the Chelsea player saw only the latter get a yellow and the Liverpool player who retaliated with a punch get off scot-free. (Maybe post match the FA will review it and take retrospective action.) Webb is as incompetent as the rest of them and is not worthy of a trip to Rio.

I bet Osvaldo gets a 3 match ban for his 'violent conduct' in the off pitch skirmish with the Geordies' bench. They can do what they like to Southampton players but not to those from the big clubs.

COYR
No question we should have had a penalty late in the game from Lallana's cross from the left which was clearly hand-to-ball. But referees are frightened to give anything against the bigger teams at home. I watched the Chelski/Liverpuddle game on Sky and even our supposed top referee, Howard Webb, denied Liverpool a clear-cut penalty when Eto'o blatantly knocked Suarez over in the box. Eto'o should have been red carded after 2 minutes but Webb didn't have the bottle. Late in the game a skirmish between 2 players after a really bad tackle by the Chelsea player saw only the latter get a yellow and the Liverpool player who retaliated with a punch get off scot-free. (Maybe post match the FA will review it and take retrospective action.) Webb is as incompetent as the rest of them and is not worthy of a trip to Rio. I bet Osvaldo gets a 3 match ban for his 'violent conduct' in the off pitch skirmish with the Geordies' bench. They can do what they like to Southampton players but not to those from the big clubs. COYR saint Compo

8:13pm Sun 29 Dec 13

st1halo says...

Can we sign Twattenburg in the January window please? He's gained more points against us than any player I can think of.

STID
Can we sign Twattenburg in the January window please? He's gained more points against us than any player I can think of. STID st1halo

9:20pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Clever Dick says...

saint Compo wrote:
No question we should have had a penalty late in the game from Lallana's cross from the left which was clearly hand-to-ball. But referees are frightened to give anything against the bigger teams at home.

I watched the Chelski/Liverpuddle game on Sky and even our supposed top referee, Howard Webb, denied Liverpool a clear-cut penalty when Eto'o blatantly knocked Suarez over in the box. Eto'o should have been red carded after 2 minutes but Webb didn't have the bottle. Late in the game a skirmish between 2 players after a really bad tackle by the Chelsea player saw only the latter get a yellow and the Liverpool player who retaliated with a punch get off scot-free. (Maybe post match the FA will review it and take retrospective action.) Webb is as incompetent as the rest of them and is not worthy of a trip to Rio.

I bet Osvaldo gets a 3 match ban for his 'violent conduct' in the off pitch skirmish with the Geordies' bench. They can do what they like to Southampton players but not to those from the big clubs.

COYR
You are right. Webb was close to the incident and clearly saw it. He bottled out and should be stood down for a month.
[quote][p][bold]saint Compo[/bold] wrote: No question we should have had a penalty late in the game from Lallana's cross from the left which was clearly hand-to-ball. But referees are frightened to give anything against the bigger teams at home. I watched the Chelski/Liverpuddle game on Sky and even our supposed top referee, Howard Webb, denied Liverpool a clear-cut penalty when Eto'o blatantly knocked Suarez over in the box. Eto'o should have been red carded after 2 minutes but Webb didn't have the bottle. Late in the game a skirmish between 2 players after a really bad tackle by the Chelsea player saw only the latter get a yellow and the Liverpool player who retaliated with a punch get off scot-free. (Maybe post match the FA will review it and take retrospective action.) Webb is as incompetent as the rest of them and is not worthy of a trip to Rio. I bet Osvaldo gets a 3 match ban for his 'violent conduct' in the off pitch skirmish with the Geordies' bench. They can do what they like to Southampton players but not to those from the big clubs. COYR[/p][/quote]You are right. Webb was close to the incident and clearly saw it. He bottled out and should be stood down for a month. Clever Dick

9:45pm Sun 29 Dec 13

F Fan says...

First time at Goodison – very poor sightlines as expected. Strange that both Liverpool clubs have such poor grounds. Not a lot to choose between the teams today but Everton were much sharper up front – quicker and more direct in the final third and our relative lack of cutting edge was very obvious. JWP again looked like he needs a month’s break – to be expected of a young midfielder after such a good run. Lambert too is not worth his starting place on the basis of form at the moment. I would start with Rodruigez up front against Chelsea . Cork again good and the centre half pairing should surely never be broken again this season unless for injury. Kelvin played well and it was clear how much we were unnerved by having to play Gazza recently. We are probably about in our deserved place at 9th but certainly can face the second half of the season with real hope of improving on that.

The great unknown is whether Ramirez and Osvaldo are going to come good or not. I am not sure at all about that – could go either way with both of them.
First time at Goodison – very poor sightlines as expected. Strange that both Liverpool clubs have such poor grounds. Not a lot to choose between the teams today but Everton were much sharper up front – quicker and more direct in the final third and our relative lack of cutting edge was very obvious. JWP again looked like he needs a month’s break – to be expected of a young midfielder after such a good run. Lambert too is not worth his starting place on the basis of form at the moment. I would start with Rodruigez up front against Chelsea . Cork again good and the centre half pairing should surely never be broken again this season unless for injury. Kelvin played well and it was clear how much we were unnerved by having to play Gazza recently. We are probably about in our deserved place at 9th but certainly can face the second half of the season with real hope of improving on that. The great unknown is whether Ramirez and Osvaldo are going to come good or not. I am not sure at all about that – could go either way with both of them. F Fan

9:47pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

Clever Dick wrote:
saint Compo wrote:
No question we should have had a penalty late in the game from Lallana's cross from the left which was clearly hand-to-ball. But referees are frightened to give anything against the bigger teams at home.

I watched the Chelski/Liverpuddle game on Sky and even our supposed top referee, Howard Webb, denied Liverpool a clear-cut penalty when Eto'o blatantly knocked Suarez over in the box. Eto'o should have been red carded after 2 minutes but Webb didn't have the bottle. Late in the game a skirmish between 2 players after a really bad tackle by the Chelsea player saw only the latter get a yellow and the Liverpool player who retaliated with a punch get off scot-free. (Maybe post match the FA will review it and take retrospective action.) Webb is as incompetent as the rest of them and is not worthy of a trip to Rio.

I bet Osvaldo gets a 3 match ban for his 'violent conduct' in the off pitch skirmish with the Geordies' bench. They can do what they like to Southampton players but not to those from the big clubs.

COYR
You are right. Webb was close to the incident and clearly saw it. He bottled out and should be stood down for a month.
He should have been stood down for a whole season for not spotting the clear handball at Norwich. From where he saw it, the only way he could possibly have missed it is if he had blinked - for about 2 seconds. In short, he bottled it.

At least Cluttenburg can claim that he might have had the player between him and the handball. But the only way that ball could have gone up in the air after Adam had crossed if it had hit the defender's arm/hand. Anyone normal human being could tell that. I guess refs are not normal human beings.

For those who haven't seen it, here it is:
http://footygifs.co.
uk/everton-v-southam
pton-handball-claim
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saint Compo[/bold] wrote: No question we should have had a penalty late in the game from Lallana's cross from the left which was clearly hand-to-ball. But referees are frightened to give anything against the bigger teams at home. I watched the Chelski/Liverpuddle game on Sky and even our supposed top referee, Howard Webb, denied Liverpool a clear-cut penalty when Eto'o blatantly knocked Suarez over in the box. Eto'o should have been red carded after 2 minutes but Webb didn't have the bottle. Late in the game a skirmish between 2 players after a really bad tackle by the Chelsea player saw only the latter get a yellow and the Liverpool player who retaliated with a punch get off scot-free. (Maybe post match the FA will review it and take retrospective action.) Webb is as incompetent as the rest of them and is not worthy of a trip to Rio. I bet Osvaldo gets a 3 match ban for his 'violent conduct' in the off pitch skirmish with the Geordies' bench. They can do what they like to Southampton players but not to those from the big clubs. COYR[/p][/quote]You are right. Webb was close to the incident and clearly saw it. He bottled out and should be stood down for a month.[/p][/quote]He should have been stood down for a whole season for not spotting the clear handball at Norwich. From where he saw it, the only way he could possibly have missed it is if he had blinked - for about 2 seconds. In short, he bottled it. At least Cluttenburg can claim that he might have had the player between him and the handball. But the only way that ball could have gone up in the air after Adam had crossed if it had hit the defender's arm/hand. Anyone normal human being could tell that. I guess refs are not normal human beings. For those who haven't seen it, here it is: http://footygifs.co. uk/everton-v-southam pton-handball-claim Strasbourg Saint

9:55pm Sun 29 Dec 13

ghk230473 says...

F Fan wrote:
First time at Goodison – very poor sightlines as expected. Strange that both Liverpool clubs have such poor grounds. Not a lot to choose between the teams today but Everton were much sharper up front – quicker and more direct in the final third and our relative lack of cutting edge was very obvious. JWP again looked like he needs a month’s break – to be expected of a young midfielder after such a good run. Lambert too is not worth his starting place on the basis of form at the moment. I would start with Rodruigez up front against Chelsea . Cork again good and the centre half pairing should surely never be broken again this season unless for injury. Kelvin played well and it was clear how much we were unnerved by having to play Gazza recently. We are probably about in our deserved place at 9th but certainly can face the second half of the season with real hope of improving on that.

The great unknown is whether Ramirez and Osvaldo are going to come good or not. I am not sure at all about that – could go either way with both of them.
You can only call it how you see it.. Good, honest post. Lambert for me too has looked jaded and I think we are maybe expecting too much from our youngsters. Ramirez and ossie need to adapt quickly and help out and I wouldn't get rid of either of them. I've forgotten the forgotten men we have! But them and fox need to go and at least a utility type defender needed. I would like to see a player of experience come in.
[quote][p][bold]F Fan[/bold] wrote: First time at Goodison – very poor sightlines as expected. Strange that both Liverpool clubs have such poor grounds. Not a lot to choose between the teams today but Everton were much sharper up front – quicker and more direct in the final third and our relative lack of cutting edge was very obvious. JWP again looked like he needs a month’s break – to be expected of a young midfielder after such a good run. Lambert too is not worth his starting place on the basis of form at the moment. I would start with Rodruigez up front against Chelsea . Cork again good and the centre half pairing should surely never be broken again this season unless for injury. Kelvin played well and it was clear how much we were unnerved by having to play Gazza recently. We are probably about in our deserved place at 9th but certainly can face the second half of the season with real hope of improving on that. The great unknown is whether Ramirez and Osvaldo are going to come good or not. I am not sure at all about that – could go either way with both of them.[/p][/quote]You can only call it how you see it.. Good, honest post. Lambert for me too has looked jaded and I think we are maybe expecting too much from our youngsters. Ramirez and ossie need to adapt quickly and help out and I wouldn't get rid of either of them. I've forgotten the forgotten men we have! But them and fox need to go and at least a utility type defender needed. I would like to see a player of experience come in. ghk230473

10:04pm Sun 29 Dec 13

el caballo santos101 says...

As gutted as I am after todays defeat I`m not disheartened. we played well again and should have got a point from the game, if only the ref who shouldn't be named had the balls to send off Oviedo for his tackle on chambers and then give the pen from lallas cross.
as the year comes to an end its worth remembering how it started, NA was manager, we were in the bottom 3 on 17pts, after drawing 3-3 at stoke (again with the ref who shouldn't be named), we had a -11 goal difference after conceding 37 and had won just 4 games and we were widely tipped to go straight back down.
amazing to think that people are upset with our position so far. its worth remembering that had injuries not hit as hard as they have we might have in an even better position, but they have hit and we are still in a good position.
roll on the new year and getting back to our best!
As gutted as I am after todays defeat I`m not disheartened. we played well again and should have got a point from the game, if only the ref who shouldn't be named had the balls to send off Oviedo for his tackle on chambers and then give the pen from lallas cross. as the year comes to an end its worth remembering how it started, NA was manager, we were in the bottom 3 on 17pts, after drawing 3-3 at stoke (again with the ref who shouldn't be named), we had a -11 goal difference after conceding 37 and had won just 4 games and we were widely tipped to go straight back down. amazing to think that people are upset with our position so far. its worth remembering that had injuries not hit as hard as they have we might have in an even better position, but they have hit and we are still in a good position. roll on the new year and getting back to our best! el caballo santos101

10:50pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Baddesley Bill says...

When I first looked a the fixture list, it was obvious to me that we had to get off o a good start. We did. The December fixtures were always going to be punishing. Villa the only real disappointment for me. After today...we have very few games to fear. Play like we did today...and the rest of the season is gravy COYR
When I first looked a the fixture list, it was obvious to me that we had to get off o a good start. We did. The December fixtures were always going to be punishing. Villa the only real disappointment for me. After today...we have very few games to fear. Play like we did today...and the rest of the season is gravy COYR Baddesley Bill

11:35pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Clever Dick says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
When I first looked a the fixture list, it was obvious to me that we had to get off o a good start. We did. The December fixtures were always going to be punishing. Villa the only real disappointment for me. After today...we have very few games to fear. Play like we did today...and the rest of the season is gravy COYR
Agree. Lots of points to be picked up from here on in. Just watched MOTD. Hand raised inside the box. Clear cut penalty. End of.
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: When I first looked a the fixture list, it was obvious to me that we had to get off o a good start. We did. The December fixtures were always going to be punishing. Villa the only real disappointment for me. After today...we have very few games to fear. Play like we did today...and the rest of the season is gravy COYR[/p][/quote]Agree. Lots of points to be picked up from here on in. Just watched MOTD. Hand raised inside the box. Clear cut penalty. End of. Clever Dick

11:43pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Littleton-Saint says...

We are progressing as a club - a mid-table finish would be great this season. If we build slowly by developing our younger talent and buying only top quality players, then we can win the Prem eventually without running into financial problems. Cortese and Poch want success, so we will get there. The fans just need to be patient, enjoy our consolidation in the Prem this year and, also, look forward to Pompey playing Salisbury in the Skrill Prem next season!
We are progressing as a club - a mid-table finish would be great this season. If we build slowly by developing our younger talent and buying only top quality players, then we can win the Prem eventually without running into financial problems. Cortese and Poch want success, so we will get there. The fans just need to be patient, enjoy our consolidation in the Prem this year and, also, look forward to Pompey playing Salisbury in the Skrill Prem next season! Littleton-Saint

12:13am Mon 30 Dec 13

andoru says...

I think we should make ourselves comfortable in 9th place. I know there is still a way to go this year, but it does appear that we don't quite have that extra something to take down the teams above us. We've only beaten Liverpool and then got a point against each of Man City, Man Utd and Newcastle. A respectable record that we should not be ashamed of, but one that does reveal the gap between the mid-table (us) and the big guns. We have six points between us and Newcastle now, and then four between us and Hull below. No matter the results we aren't going anywhere for a while. Let's forget about league position then and just focus on playing our game, improving where we can, solidifying and continuing to scare the hell out of the teams that come to St Mary's. Nobody likes playing us anymore. To me that's progress. We might go up eventually, we may even go down a little, but we are sure of playing Premier League football next season. We can push on then, attracting players and fans with our style and commitment in the mean time. Here's to becoming that annoyingly difficult mid-table team in 2014! COYS!
I think we should make ourselves comfortable in 9th place. I know there is still a way to go this year, but it does appear that we don't quite have that extra something to take down the teams above us. We've only beaten Liverpool and then got a point against each of Man City, Man Utd and Newcastle. A respectable record that we should not be ashamed of, but one that does reveal the gap between the mid-table (us) and the big guns. We have six points between us and Newcastle now, and then four between us and Hull below. No matter the results we aren't going anywhere for a while. Let's forget about league position then and just focus on playing our game, improving where we can, solidifying and continuing to scare the hell out of the teams that come to St Mary's. Nobody likes playing us anymore. To me that's progress. We might go up eventually, we may even go down a little, but we are sure of playing Premier League football next season. We can push on then, attracting players and fans with our style and commitment in the mean time. Here's to becoming that annoyingly difficult mid-table team in 2014! COYS! andoru

9:06am Mon 30 Dec 13

BracknellSaint says...

Agree with the feelings on here about poor standard of the ref yesterday, and can only hope that after the numerous occurrences of blatant pens turned down, unfairly disallowed goals, and lenient treatment of opposition players' tackles, that we are due about 5 games where we get given very lucky decisions we don't deserve, meaning we pick up a few wins and draws that we shouldn't get based on the performance. So, we will get 9 extra points against the run of play. Looking forward to them!
On the other well argued point above, have to agree that we have to improve on our habit of having alot of possession, and getting into good positions, but not being able to make clear cut, and not half, chances. For all our lively build up, we aren't seeing 3-4 blatant, simple goal scoring opportunities.
The refs are frustrating, and smash and grabs like the Villa game are hard to swallow, but by the same token of we actually opened teams up, we wouldn't be moaning about those games, as we would have scored 3or 4 ourselves.
Agree with the feelings on here about poor standard of the ref yesterday, and can only hope that after the numerous occurrences of blatant pens turned down, unfairly disallowed goals, and lenient treatment of opposition players' tackles, that we are due about 5 games where we get given very lucky decisions we don't deserve, meaning we pick up a few wins and draws that we shouldn't get based on the performance. So, we will get 9 extra points against the run of play. Looking forward to them! On the other well argued point above, have to agree that we have to improve on our habit of having alot of possession, and getting into good positions, but not being able to make clear cut, and not half, chances. For all our lively build up, we aren't seeing 3-4 blatant, simple goal scoring opportunities. The refs are frustrating, and smash and grabs like the Villa game are hard to swallow, but by the same token of we actually opened teams up, we wouldn't be moaning about those games, as we would have scored 3or 4 ourselves. BracknellSaint

10:42am Mon 30 Dec 13

Clever Dick says...

BracknellSaint wrote:
Agree with the feelings on here about poor standard of the ref yesterday, and can only hope that after the numerous occurrences of blatant pens turned down, unfairly disallowed goals, and lenient treatment of opposition players' tackles, that we are due about 5 games where we get given very lucky decisions we don't deserve, meaning we pick up a few wins and draws that we shouldn't get based on the performance. So, we will get 9 extra points against the run of play. Looking forward to them!
On the other well argued point above, have to agree that we have to improve on our habit of having alot of possession, and getting into good positions, but not being able to make clear cut, and not half, chances. For all our lively build up, we aren't seeing 3-4 blatant, simple goal scoring opportunities.
The refs are frustrating, and smash and grabs like the Villa game are hard to swallow, but by the same token of we actually opened teams up, we wouldn't be moaning about those games, as we would have scored 3or 4 ourselves.
Let,s hope we don't get Clutterbrain again then. He's the modern day Uriah Rennie.....totally useless but likes to be the centre of attention.
[quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: Agree with the feelings on here about poor standard of the ref yesterday, and can only hope that after the numerous occurrences of blatant pens turned down, unfairly disallowed goals, and lenient treatment of opposition players' tackles, that we are due about 5 games where we get given very lucky decisions we don't deserve, meaning we pick up a few wins and draws that we shouldn't get based on the performance. So, we will get 9 extra points against the run of play. Looking forward to them! On the other well argued point above, have to agree that we have to improve on our habit of having alot of possession, and getting into good positions, but not being able to make clear cut, and not half, chances. For all our lively build up, we aren't seeing 3-4 blatant, simple goal scoring opportunities. The refs are frustrating, and smash and grabs like the Villa game are hard to swallow, but by the same token of we actually opened teams up, we wouldn't be moaning about those games, as we would have scored 3or 4 ourselves.[/p][/quote]Let,s hope we don't get Clutterbrain again then. He's the modern day Uriah Rennie.....totally useless but likes to be the centre of attention. Clever Dick

4:43pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Jesus_02 says...

Refs need respect,
Refs need technical support (whenever they ask for it)
If they dont ask for it, then only they can be blaimed

End
Refs need respect, Refs need technical support (whenever they ask for it) If they dont ask for it, then only they can be blaimed End Jesus_02

1:35pm Tue 31 Dec 13

lowe esteem says...

Kind of knew Clattenberg was going to bite us again, when I heard how long he's had to keep away from Goodison after being their 'bogey' referee. So here's hoping that we can have that longstanding stay (away) of execution too, or a gift handball decision to decide a future game. Doesn't have to be seasonal Mark, Spurs away or Man U last game at home, would be nice please Marky mate, to help rid us of the ghost of Roy Keane aka Grinch.
It would also be nice to get the first 3 of those 13 Safety Points tomorrow, and then we shan't need to worry too much about the January 'window'. Stronger players coming back to the squad now, real contention for most positions, and we're not having to sell off our gilt-edged production line, which should continue to complement the gradual improvement, so we win all ways round-an ongoing benefit. I hope above all else that the existing 'hired in' commodities do step up more, failing which Poch becomes more shrewd in that market-place. I further implore a diminishing number of 'fans' to look a little closer at Sir Rickie's game, so that EVERYONE realises what a sublime contribution he continues to make to this club (FFS even an incumbent England Manager has noticed!)
With the much anticipated re-signing of Puncheon* this should enable us to realise a better position in the table at the final reckoning than we currently enjoy, and a good Cup run too, so that we fans can continue our tour of Europe's exotic locations.
(*Please enjoy the New Year puzzle where I have repeated some Crooked lunacy-can you spot it?) .
Kind of knew Clattenberg was going to bite us again, when I heard how long he's had to keep away from Goodison after being their 'bogey' referee. So here's hoping that we can have that longstanding stay (away) of execution too, or a gift handball decision to decide a future game. Doesn't have to be seasonal Mark, Spurs away or Man U last game at home, would be nice please Marky mate, to help rid us of the ghost of Roy Keane aka Grinch. It would also be nice to get the first 3 of those 13 Safety Points tomorrow, and then we shan't need to worry too much about the January 'window'. Stronger players coming back to the squad now, real contention for most positions, and we're not having to sell off our gilt-edged production line, which should continue to complement the gradual improvement, so we win all ways round-an ongoing benefit. I hope above all else that the existing 'hired in' commodities do step up more, failing which Poch becomes more shrewd in that market-place. I further implore a diminishing number of 'fans' to look a little closer at Sir Rickie's game, so that EVERYONE realises what a sublime contribution he continues to make to this club (FFS even an incumbent England Manager has noticed!) With the much anticipated re-signing of Puncheon* this should enable us to realise a better position in the table at the final reckoning than we currently enjoy, and a good Cup run too, so that we fans can continue our tour of Europe's exotic locations. (*Please enjoy the New Year puzzle where I have repeated some Crooked lunacy-can you spot it?) . lowe esteem

1:42pm Tue 31 Dec 13

lowe esteem says...

BracknellSaint wrote:
Agree with the feelings on here about poor standard of the ref yesterday, and can only hope that after the numerous occurrences of blatant pens turned down, unfairly disallowed goals, and lenient treatment of opposition players' tackles, that we are due about 5 games where we get given very lucky decisions we don't deserve, meaning we pick up a few wins and draws that we shouldn't get based on the performance. So, we will get 9 extra points against the run of play. Looking forward to them!
On the other well argued point above, have to agree that we have to improve on our habit of having alot of possession, and getting into good positions, but not being able to make clear cut, and not half, chances. For all our lively build up, we aren't seeing 3-4 blatant, simple goal scoring opportunities.
The refs are frustrating, and smash and grabs like the Villa game are hard to swallow, but by the same token of we actually opened teams up, we wouldn't be moaning about those games, as we would have scored 3or 4 ourselves.
Absolutely Spot on> (we have a nailed on penalty taker too!)
Due a few games to go our way, ie flukey in-offs, breaks against run of play, contentious 'goals' etc. and things will even out.

Happy New Year (Paul?)
[quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: Agree with the feelings on here about poor standard of the ref yesterday, and can only hope that after the numerous occurrences of blatant pens turned down, unfairly disallowed goals, and lenient treatment of opposition players' tackles, that we are due about 5 games where we get given very lucky decisions we don't deserve, meaning we pick up a few wins and draws that we shouldn't get based on the performance. So, we will get 9 extra points against the run of play. Looking forward to them! On the other well argued point above, have to agree that we have to improve on our habit of having alot of possession, and getting into good positions, but not being able to make clear cut, and not half, chances. For all our lively build up, we aren't seeing 3-4 blatant, simple goal scoring opportunities. The refs are frustrating, and smash and grabs like the Villa game are hard to swallow, but by the same token of we actually opened teams up, we wouldn't be moaning about those games, as we would have scored 3or 4 ourselves.[/p][/quote]Absolutely Spot on> (we have a nailed on penalty taker too!) Due a few games to go our way, ie flukey in-offs, breaks against run of play, contentious 'goals' etc. and things will even out. Happy New Year (Paul?) lowe esteem

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