Poch calls for fairness from refs

Daily Echo: Mauricio Pochettino Mauricio Pochettino

Angry Saints boss Mauricio Pochettino has called for his side to be treated fairly by referees and not judged on their age or looks.

Pochettino was fuming that referee Mark Clattenburg failed to award what he believed to be two clear penalties in the defeat at Everton.

It is the latest incident in a mounting frustration for the Saints manager that has been building over his time in charge of the club.

Though he doesn’t want his players to change their ways, and insisted he was not being disrespectful to officials, he feels it is too easy for referees to turn down decisions for his young side.

He said: “I am completely angry about some of the refereeing decisions. There is not just one but two clear penalties that were not given to us.

“We have been suffering this all season long, many injustices that haven’t gone our way.

“I said after the game as well it is easier to referee a Southampton side where we are all young and friendly and young players. It’s very easy to have decisions not go for us. It’s a lot easier to have decisions go against us.”

Saints have been awarded two penalties in the Premier League this season, while one has gone against them.

Last season they were handed just three spot kicks, with only five clubs having fewer in the top flight.

“I don’t want my players to be nasty, we just want Southampton to be refereed with the same rigour as all other clubs are judged,” said Pochettino.

“We want the same treatment as all other clubs – nothing better, nothing worse, just the same.

“We don’t want to be judged by our young, handsome, good looking players that we have. “We don’t want to be judged in that sense, we want to be judged in the same manner and the same rigour and the same way as all other clubs do.

“We just want what’s fair basically.”

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11:29am Mon 30 Dec 13

City Saint says...

Well, I'd rather see us miss a few penalty awards if that is what it takes to maintain a side that plays the right way and shows the refs and crowd respect. These teams that come to st Mary's and okay for penalties, diving around the box and crowding the referee, are not playing the kind of footie I'd want to see every week.

With j rod, sir Rickie and osvaldo atarting to score more from open play, maybe we won't be as dependent on set pieces as we were in the first half of the season. I look forward to the new year, starting with Chelsea at home. Bring it on!
Well, I'd rather see us miss a few penalty awards if that is what it takes to maintain a side that plays the right way and shows the refs and crowd respect. These teams that come to st Mary's and okay for penalties, diving around the box and crowding the referee, are not playing the kind of footie I'd want to see every week. With j rod, sir Rickie and osvaldo atarting to score more from open play, maybe we won't be as dependent on set pieces as we were in the first half of the season. I look forward to the new year, starting with Chelsea at home. Bring it on! City Saint

11:52am Mon 30 Dec 13

cleversaint says...

Clattenburg seems to give soft penalties against Saints (Arsenal away this season and Norwich away last season) but not for them!
Clattenburg seems to give soft penalties against Saints (Arsenal away this season and Norwich away last season) but not for them! cleversaint

12:02pm Mon 30 Dec 13

JohnItaly says...

Due to referees' not having to be responsible publicly for their decisions and safe in the knowledge that any criticism of their decisions will incur the wrath of the FA on the critic they are able to consistently make decisions that defy belief. I accept the fact referees and their assistants are human but they do appear to make far more mistakes that their counterparts in the cricket and rugby world.
Due to referees' not having to be responsible publicly for their decisions and safe in the knowledge that any criticism of their decisions will incur the wrath of the FA on the critic they are able to consistently make decisions that defy belief. I accept the fact referees and their assistants are human but they do appear to make far more mistakes that their counterparts in the cricket and rugby world. JohnItaly

12:06pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Jesus_02 says...

The idea that Clattenburg would award us a penaly against Everton after a six year absence that initself made headlines, is just mad. He would never referee there again!
The idea that Clattenburg would award us a penaly against Everton after a six year absence that initself made headlines, is just mad. He would never referee there again! Jesus_02

12:20pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Southampton boy says...

I can't see what he is on we have had bad referrees we had them last season and the season before that and the one before, if your not one of the few I.e. Man U Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, arsenal, and such you sand no chance.
The refs in this country have progressively got worse over each season on Sunday the Everton player moved his hand and stopped a cross. It was hand to ball when I was a ref if the hand made a movement like that it was a pen they said on TV he was protecting himself but can't see it his hand moved sideways away from his body still top ten finish will do this season looking forward to Chelsea who I think we can beat at st Mary's so heads up keeping going and we will still have one of are best seasons.
I just hope in Jan we can get a goal scorer that's all were lacking .
COYRS
I can't see what he is on we have had bad referrees we had them last season and the season before that and the one before, if your not one of the few I.e. Man U Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, arsenal, and such you sand no chance. The refs in this country have progressively got worse over each season on Sunday the Everton player moved his hand and stopped a cross. It was hand to ball when I was a ref if the hand made a movement like that it was a pen they said on TV he was protecting himself but can't see it his hand moved sideways away from his body still top ten finish will do this season looking forward to Chelsea who I think we can beat at st Mary's so heads up keeping going and we will still have one of are best seasons. I just hope in Jan we can get a goal scorer that's all were lacking . COYRS Southampton boy

12:35pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Norwegian Saint says...

I am sure it will come out one day that Clatterbrain is part of a betting syndicate.... harsh maybe but he often gives late penalties or decisions against us. Refs are not paid a great sum and being offered a top players weekly wage would be too much temptation.
I have also wrote to the FA asking for a reason behind Clatterbrains penalty award against Fonte at Arsenal and another referees decision in the match Ma C v Liverpool Skrtal was practically making love to Vincent Kompany and nothing awarded. A first class case of rules for different teams
I am sure it will come out one day that Clatterbrain is part of a betting syndicate.... harsh maybe but he often gives late penalties or decisions against us. Refs are not paid a great sum and being offered a top players weekly wage would be too much temptation. I have also wrote to the FA asking for a reason behind Clatterbrains penalty award against Fonte at Arsenal and another referees decision in the match Ma C v Liverpool Skrtal was practically making love to Vincent Kompany and nothing awarded. A first class case of rules for different teams Norwegian Saint

12:43pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Norwegian Saint says...

Talking of referees, I wrote again to the FA regarding the double punch on Lovren v Fulham. Why was the guy not sent off for violent behaviour?
The answer was the referee saw it and took no action. I don't believe the referee saw this violent act and even if he did he has to send the guy off for a punch (in this case 2 punches) Imagine if Suarez had done it!
I am waiting the response.

Referees could have awarded us over 6 clear penalties but none given.
Professionals can not complain as the referees are protected too much. Yes, it is a tough job and we dont expect 100% every week but.... come on... a bit of fairness is what we want.
Talking of referees, I wrote again to the FA regarding the double punch on Lovren v Fulham. Why was the guy not sent off for violent behaviour? The answer was the referee saw it and took no action. I don't believe the referee saw this violent act and even if he did he has to send the guy off for a punch (in this case 2 punches) Imagine if Suarez had done it! I am waiting the response. Referees could have awarded us over 6 clear penalties but none given. Professionals can not complain as the referees are protected too much. Yes, it is a tough job and we dont expect 100% every week but.... come on... a bit of fairness is what we want. Norwegian Saint

12:43pm Mon 30 Dec 13

costa gaz says...

It does seem to be the case that the teams that harass referees to most get more decisions, especially the big calls. We do not do this (thankfully)
Refs are there to make sure the laws of the game are adhered to, unfortunately most of the refs today apply their own variations of the rules.
This makes for the inconsistencies we see week in week out.
One thing I'd like to see eradicated is the constant pulling and pushing at virtually every set piece, it'll take just one ref to blow for a penalty and it will stop immediately.
It does seem to be the case that the teams that harass referees to most get more decisions, especially the big calls. We do not do this (thankfully) Refs are there to make sure the laws of the game are adhered to, unfortunately most of the refs today apply their own variations of the rules. This makes for the inconsistencies we see week in week out. One thing I'd like to see eradicated is the constant pulling and pushing at virtually every set piece, it'll take just one ref to blow for a penalty and it will stop immediately. costa gaz

12:50pm Mon 30 Dec 13

JohnItaly says...

Norwegian Saint wrote:
I am sure it will come out one day that Clatterbrain is part of a betting syndicate.... harsh maybe but he often gives late penalties or decisions against us. Refs are not paid a great sum and being offered a top players weekly wage would be too much temptation.
I have also wrote to the FA asking for a reason behind Clatterbrains penalty award against Fonte at Arsenal and another referees decision in the match Ma C v Liverpool Skrtal was practically making love to Vincent Kompany and nothing awarded. A first class case of rules for different teams
Did you get a reply?
[quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: I am sure it will come out one day that Clatterbrain is part of a betting syndicate.... harsh maybe but he often gives late penalties or decisions against us. Refs are not paid a great sum and being offered a top players weekly wage would be too much temptation. I have also wrote to the FA asking for a reason behind Clatterbrains penalty award against Fonte at Arsenal and another referees decision in the match Ma C v Liverpool Skrtal was practically making love to Vincent Kompany and nothing awarded. A first class case of rules for different teams[/p][/quote]Did you get a reply? JohnItaly

1:02pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Redforlife says...

last season at norwich the team hotly contested pen v norwich awarded by clattenburg result club fined , never see this happen to the likes of the big 6 so flat obviously put it in his report
last season at norwich the team hotly contested pen v norwich awarded by clattenburg result club fined , never see this happen to the likes of the big 6 so flat obviously put it in his report Redforlife

1:10pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Shrewdsaint says...

Not sure being good looking makes much difference to this but being young does. Adam said his piece as Captain and got booked. I thought Chelski looked very dirty on MOTD2 last night, so a good time for Poch to bring it up.
Not sure being good looking makes much difference to this but being young does. Adam said his piece as Captain and got booked. I thought Chelski looked very dirty on MOTD2 last night, so a good time for Poch to bring it up. Shrewdsaint

1:27pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Confucious says...

Spot on MoPo. I've spent my life not only being unfairly penalised by officialdom for being young, handsome, good looking and friendly - but also pestered for attention and 'services' by thousands of attractive women.

And when you add to my numerous charms a very high IQ, great athleticism and exceptional acumen for all the sciences and arts - together with a high degree of natural humility - it amounts to a huge burden to carry.

Oh how I'd love to be Mr Average for just a day.
Spot on MoPo. I've spent my life not only being unfairly penalised by officialdom for being young, handsome, good looking and friendly - but also pestered for attention and 'services' by thousands of attractive women. And when you add to my numerous charms a very high IQ, great athleticism and exceptional acumen for all the sciences and arts - together with a high degree of natural humility - it amounts to a huge burden to carry. Oh how I'd love to be Mr Average for just a day. Confucious

1:34pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Dickosfc says...

That was a stone wall handball yesterday!! His hand stopped the cross from going into the box. I also agree that the standard of refereeing has dropped considerably. Even Howard Webb had a shocker yesterday.
That was a stone wall handball yesterday!! His hand stopped the cross from going into the box. I also agree that the standard of refereeing has dropped considerably. Even Howard Webb had a shocker yesterday. Dickosfc

1:51pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Chriops says...

The quality of refereeing for me and all footy fans is an huge concern, and surely must at some point come to a head. It's clear that teams have been relegated with poor decisions contributing. In these financially rewarding days of the Premier League, and corruption in betting syndicates, the world has changed, and it's about time that the FA, UEFA, and FIFA wake up.

Recently we have seen that even former Premier League stars have been linked to betting syndicates. Teams like the ones to the east (that shall not be mentioned since they are no longer worthy) which fail to play their players place the fundamental integrity of the game at risk. Why do I highlight them you ask? Well to go into administration once may be considered unfortunate, but for it to consistently happen... The Said team ought to be put out of it's misery to reduce the risk of corruption.


Having a keen interest in rugby as well as football (not to mention many other sports), I have always been struck by the respect shown to the Referees in Rugby, and the lack of the same in football, but I'm not surprised.
In Rugby, the Referees have been empowered by the use of technology, so why can't this happen in football? We hear so many people are against it, but if your team is being cheated by incompetence, indecision, or bad luck, surely every fan would want the correct decision.

Recently we've seen a panel put in place to take retrospective action against wrong-doers, yet we see cases such as Lovren being punched going unpunished, and most fans are questioning the validity of said panel. Lets face it, these players are being tried by TV Punditry, and failed by the system.

While many are against technology systems being brought into football, saying that it would slow the game down etc etc, in Rugby, reviewed events have become part of the entertainment.

For me however there is a far more pressing matter, and that is the fact that it's a lot easier to bribe a referee, than it is to bribe a Premier League Footballer. Yes I believe that Refs are in general completely honest and upstanding citizens (even if the suffer selective blindness most weeks), but are to various football associations really so naive as to think that if a Ref is in debt, and is about to loose his house, he'd refuse a large chunk of cash for the beauty of the game.
The quality of refereeing for me and all footy fans is an huge concern, and surely must at some point come to a head. It's clear that teams have been relegated with poor decisions contributing. In these financially rewarding days of the Premier League, and corruption in betting syndicates, the world has changed, and it's about time that the FA, UEFA, and FIFA wake up. Recently we have seen that even former Premier League stars have been linked to betting syndicates. Teams like the ones to the east (that shall not be mentioned since they are no longer worthy) which fail to play their players place the fundamental integrity of the game at risk. Why do I highlight them you ask? Well to go into administration once may be considered unfortunate, but for it to consistently happen... The Said team ought to be put out of it's misery to reduce the risk of corruption. Having a keen interest in rugby as well as football (not to mention many other sports), I have always been struck by the respect shown to the Referees in Rugby, and the lack of the same in football, but I'm not surprised. In Rugby, the Referees have been empowered by the use of technology, so why can't this happen in football? We hear so many people are against it, but if your team is being cheated by incompetence, indecision, or bad luck, surely every fan would want the correct decision. Recently we've seen a panel put in place to take retrospective action against wrong-doers, yet we see cases such as Lovren being punched going unpunished, and most fans are questioning the validity of said panel. Lets face it, these players are being tried by TV Punditry, and failed by the system. While many are against technology systems being brought into football, saying that it would slow the game down etc etc, in Rugby, reviewed events have become part of the entertainment. For me however there is a far more pressing matter, and that is the fact that it's a lot easier to bribe a referee, than it is to bribe a Premier League Footballer. Yes I believe that Refs are in general completely honest and upstanding citizens (even if the suffer selective blindness most weeks), but are to various football associations really so naive as to think that if a Ref is in debt, and is about to loose his house, he'd refuse a large chunk of cash for the beauty of the game. Chriops

2:01pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

Confucious wrote:
Spot on MoPo. I've spent my life not only being unfairly penalised by officialdom for being young, handsome, good looking and friendly - but also pestered for attention and 'services' by thousands of attractive women.

And when you add to my numerous charms a very high IQ, great athleticism and exceptional acumen for all the sciences and arts - together with a high degree of natural humility - it amounts to a huge burden to carry.

Oh how I'd love to be Mr Average for just a day.
I know what you mean Confucious. I once entered a Mr Perfect contest and was pipped into second place because, despite my intelligence, good looks, hard-working ethic, amazing artistic talent and outstanding sporting ability, I was too modest.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Spot on MoPo. I've spent my life not only being unfairly penalised by officialdom for being young, handsome, good looking and friendly - but also pestered for attention and 'services' by thousands of attractive women. And when you add to my numerous charms a very high IQ, great athleticism and exceptional acumen for all the sciences and arts - together with a high degree of natural humility - it amounts to a huge burden to carry. Oh how I'd love to be Mr Average for just a day.[/p][/quote]I know what you mean Confucious. I once entered a Mr Perfect contest and was pipped into second place because, despite my intelligence, good looks, hard-working ethic, amazing artistic talent and outstanding sporting ability, I was too modest. Strasbourg Saint

2:20pm Mon 30 Dec 13

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

It was a day of ref howlers !! Think they all need to go back to school and LEARN , how to referee . We would create if players / managers or chairman s GOT IT WRONG ! But accept referee decisions , even after swearing at them . F.A. get your act in order before BAD DECISIONS have a effect that can TODAY cost teams MILLIONS , >>> PREMIERSHIP to CHAMPIONSHIP is 1 hell of a financial D R O P .
It was a day of ref howlers !! Think they all need to go back to school and LEARN , how to referee . We would create if players / managers or chairman s GOT IT WRONG ! But accept referee decisions , even after swearing at them . F.A. get your act in order before BAD DECISIONS have a effect that can TODAY cost teams MILLIONS , >>> PREMIERSHIP to CHAMPIONSHIP is 1 hell of a financial D R O P . SPIKEISLANDTRADER

2:29pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

Refereeing errors are largely preventable or at least curable (through video replays) and their continual tolerance by the FA is ruining the game.

But the FA, (UEFA or FIFA) won't change until it's in their interest to do so, which it won't be while the most influential people in football (the rich clubs, the media) benefit from the current situation. The rich clubs generally get more of the decisions, the media love the controversy and give far more column inches to big clubs than smaller clubs. Thus, refs have pressure on them to lean towards the big clubs because an error against, say, Saints, won't get the same scrutiny as an error against, say, Chelsea. Even if the two errors are made in the same match.

I managed to catch MotD on t'Internet yesterday and was delighted when the poor performance of Webb in the Chelsea vs Pool match was highlighted. Great, thought I, they must now do the same in our match. But no! Clearly, MotD considers errors in matches involving the big six - or made against the big 6 - to be of greater importance than any injustice against other teams such as Saints.

We certainly need the refereeing to be more even-handed, and need the authorities to find ways to bring this about, but we also need a more balanced media, otherwise, the pressure on refs to lean towards the big clubs will remain.

I reckon a good investment for NC this window would be to employ someone to re-watch every prem match (this season or over the 20+ Prem years) and score the refereeing - every penalty, goal, booking, sending off, FA punishment etc. that has been correctly/incorrectl
y given/not given etc.

We know the outcome, but it's time someone threw clear facts at the FA and made them deal with this once and for all.
Refereeing errors are largely preventable or at least curable (through video replays) and their continual tolerance by the FA is ruining the game. But the FA, (UEFA or FIFA) won't change until it's in their interest to do so, which it won't be while the most influential people in football (the rich clubs, the media) benefit from the current situation. The rich clubs generally get more of the decisions, the media love the controversy and give far more column inches to big clubs than smaller clubs. Thus, refs have pressure on them to lean towards the big clubs because an error against, say, Saints, won't get the same scrutiny as an error against, say, Chelsea. Even if the two errors are made in the same match. I managed to catch MotD on t'Internet yesterday and was delighted when the poor performance of Webb in the Chelsea vs Pool match was highlighted. Great, thought I, they must now do the same in our match. But no! Clearly, MotD considers errors in matches involving the big six - or made against the big 6 - to be of greater importance than any injustice against other teams such as Saints. We certainly need the refereeing to be more even-handed, and need the authorities to find ways to bring this about, but we also need a more balanced media, otherwise, the pressure on refs to lean towards the big clubs will remain. I reckon a good investment for NC this window would be to employ someone to re-watch every prem match (this season or over the 20+ Prem years) and score the refereeing - every penalty, goal, booking, sending off, FA punishment etc. that has been correctly/incorrectl y given/not given etc. We know the outcome, but it's time someone threw clear facts at the FA and made them deal with this once and for all. Strasbourg Saint

2:43pm Mon 30 Dec 13

angus mc coatup says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Refereeing errors are largely preventable or at least curable (through video replays) and their continual tolerance by the FA is ruining the game.

But the FA, (UEFA or FIFA) won't change until it's in their interest to do so, which it won't be while the most influential people in football (the rich clubs, the media) benefit from the current situation. The rich clubs generally get more of the decisions, the media love the controversy and give far more column inches to big clubs than smaller clubs. Thus, refs have pressure on them to lean towards the big clubs because an error against, say, Saints, won't get the same scrutiny as an error against, say, Chelsea. Even if the two errors are made in the same match.

I managed to catch MotD on t'Internet yesterday and was delighted when the poor performance of Webb in the Chelsea vs Pool match was highlighted. Great, thought I, they must now do the same in our match. But no! Clearly, MotD considers errors in matches involving the big six - or made against the big 6 - to be of greater importance than any injustice against other teams such as Saints.

We certainly need the refereeing to be more even-handed, and need the authorities to find ways to bring this about, but we also need a more balanced media, otherwise, the pressure on refs to lean towards the big clubs will remain.

I reckon a good investment for NC this window would be to employ someone to re-watch every prem match (this season or over the 20+ Prem years) and score the refereeing - every penalty, goal, booking, sending off, FA punishment etc. that has been correctly/incorrectl

y given/not given etc.

We know the outcome, but it's time someone threw clear facts at the FA and made them deal with this once and for all.
It aint just the refs though is it Stras. The players have a lot to answer for, all that diving and throwing themselves around, and so called " simulation " you have to wonder, is that behaviour is encouraged by the managers of some clubs. telling them to go to ground at any contact. I absolutely hate some of the cheating from some players and until the refs start sending these cheats off it will only get worse.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Refereeing errors are largely preventable or at least curable (through video replays) and their continual tolerance by the FA is ruining the game. But the FA, (UEFA or FIFA) won't change until it's in their interest to do so, which it won't be while the most influential people in football (the rich clubs, the media) benefit from the current situation. The rich clubs generally get more of the decisions, the media love the controversy and give far more column inches to big clubs than smaller clubs. Thus, refs have pressure on them to lean towards the big clubs because an error against, say, Saints, won't get the same scrutiny as an error against, say, Chelsea. Even if the two errors are made in the same match. I managed to catch MotD on t'Internet yesterday and was delighted when the poor performance of Webb in the Chelsea vs Pool match was highlighted. Great, thought I, they must now do the same in our match. But no! Clearly, MotD considers errors in matches involving the big six - or made against the big 6 - to be of greater importance than any injustice against other teams such as Saints. We certainly need the refereeing to be more even-handed, and need the authorities to find ways to bring this about, but we also need a more balanced media, otherwise, the pressure on refs to lean towards the big clubs will remain. I reckon a good investment for NC this window would be to employ someone to re-watch every prem match (this season or over the 20+ Prem years) and score the refereeing - every penalty, goal, booking, sending off, FA punishment etc. that has been correctly/incorrectl y given/not given etc. We know the outcome, but it's time someone threw clear facts at the FA and made them deal with this once and for all.[/p][/quote]It aint just the refs though is it Stras. The players have a lot to answer for, all that diving and throwing themselves around, and so called " simulation " you have to wonder, is that behaviour is encouraged by the managers of some clubs. telling them to go to ground at any contact. I absolutely hate some of the cheating from some players and until the refs start sending these cheats off it will only get worse. angus mc coatup

2:59pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

angus mc coatup wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Refereeing errors are largely preventable or at least curable (through video replays) and their continual tolerance by the FA is ruining the game.

But the FA, (UEFA or FIFA) won't change until it's in their interest to do so, which it won't be while the most influential people in football (the rich clubs, the media) benefit from the current situation. The rich clubs generally get more of the decisions, the media love the controversy and give far more column inches to big clubs than smaller clubs. Thus, refs have pressure on them to lean towards the big clubs because an error against, say, Saints, won't get the same scrutiny as an error against, say, Chelsea. Even if the two errors are made in the same match.

I managed to catch MotD on t'Internet yesterday and was delighted when the poor performance of Webb in the Chelsea vs Pool match was highlighted. Great, thought I, they must now do the same in our match. But no! Clearly, MotD considers errors in matches involving the big six - or made against the big 6 - to be of greater importance than any injustice against other teams such as Saints.

We certainly need the refereeing to be more even-handed, and need the authorities to find ways to bring this about, but we also need a more balanced media, otherwise, the pressure on refs to lean towards the big clubs will remain.

I reckon a good investment for NC this window would be to employ someone to re-watch every prem match (this season or over the 20+ Prem years) and score the refereeing - every penalty, goal, booking, sending off, FA punishment etc. that has been correctly/incorrectl


y given/not given etc.

We know the outcome, but it's time someone threw clear facts at the FA and made them deal with this once and for all.
It aint just the refs though is it Stras. The players have a lot to answer for, all that diving and throwing themselves around, and so called " simulation " you have to wonder, is that behaviour is encouraged by the managers of some clubs. telling them to go to ground at any contact. I absolutely hate some of the cheating from some players and until the refs start sending these cheats off it will only get worse.
I agree, Angus. And yes, much of it IS learnt on the training field. I knew a guy who was an Arsenal academy prospect - he never quite made it. What he told me about the tricks he was taught beggared belief.

Again, much of it would stop if videos were used during - or at least after - matches.

As things stand - no instant replays - the least that could be done is to punish offenders by review. I maintain that any clear simulation (I call it cheating) should carry an automatic one-match ban. If a gained advantage results in a goal, impose a second match ban and any points won by the offenders team should equal further bans. So, a dive which results in a penalty in a match won by the offender's team would equal 5 matches. That would make a few cheats think. No system is perfect, but something has to be tried.
[quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Refereeing errors are largely preventable or at least curable (through video replays) and their continual tolerance by the FA is ruining the game. But the FA, (UEFA or FIFA) won't change until it's in their interest to do so, which it won't be while the most influential people in football (the rich clubs, the media) benefit from the current situation. The rich clubs generally get more of the decisions, the media love the controversy and give far more column inches to big clubs than smaller clubs. Thus, refs have pressure on them to lean towards the big clubs because an error against, say, Saints, won't get the same scrutiny as an error against, say, Chelsea. Even if the two errors are made in the same match. I managed to catch MotD on t'Internet yesterday and was delighted when the poor performance of Webb in the Chelsea vs Pool match was highlighted. Great, thought I, they must now do the same in our match. But no! Clearly, MotD considers errors in matches involving the big six - or made against the big 6 - to be of greater importance than any injustice against other teams such as Saints. We certainly need the refereeing to be more even-handed, and need the authorities to find ways to bring this about, but we also need a more balanced media, otherwise, the pressure on refs to lean towards the big clubs will remain. I reckon a good investment for NC this window would be to employ someone to re-watch every prem match (this season or over the 20+ Prem years) and score the refereeing - every penalty, goal, booking, sending off, FA punishment etc. that has been correctly/incorrectl y given/not given etc. We know the outcome, but it's time someone threw clear facts at the FA and made them deal with this once and for all.[/p][/quote]It aint just the refs though is it Stras. The players have a lot to answer for, all that diving and throwing themselves around, and so called " simulation " you have to wonder, is that behaviour is encouraged by the managers of some clubs. telling them to go to ground at any contact. I absolutely hate some of the cheating from some players and until the refs start sending these cheats off it will only get worse.[/p][/quote]I agree, Angus. And yes, much of it IS learnt on the training field. I knew a guy who was an Arsenal academy prospect - he never quite made it. What he told me about the tricks he was taught beggared belief. Again, much of it would stop if videos were used during - or at least after - matches. As things stand - no instant replays - the least that could be done is to punish offenders by review. I maintain that any clear simulation (I call it cheating) should carry an automatic one-match ban. If a gained advantage results in a goal, impose a second match ban and any points won by the offenders team should equal further bans. So, a dive which results in a penalty in a match won by the offender's team would equal 5 matches. That would make a few cheats think. No system is perfect, but something has to be tried. Strasbourg Saint

3:03pm Mon 30 Dec 13

the south coast is ours says...

i know we all blame the ref but quite often the ref will look to the linesmen for help and seems anything happens near them, they see less than the ref. against spuds the linesman on the kingsland side of the ground waited for the ref to point which way to give the throw in, even though he was nearer.this seems to happen a lot . has anyone else noticed its getting more and more common.
i know we all blame the ref but quite often the ref will look to the linesmen for help and seems anything happens near them, they see less than the ref. against spuds the linesman on the kingsland side of the ground waited for the ref to point which way to give the throw in, even though he was nearer.this seems to happen a lot . has anyone else noticed its getting more and more common. the south coast is ours

3:45pm Mon 30 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Shrewdsaint wrote:
Not sure being good looking makes much difference to this but being young does. Adam said his piece as Captain and got booked. I thought Chelski looked very dirty on MOTD2 last night, so a good time for Poch to bring it up.
The problem here was that Adam was not skipper, KD had the armband, I am sure Lalla forgot for the moment and was doing his normal polite enquiry out of turn, hence the yellow card.
[quote][p][bold]Shrewdsaint[/bold] wrote: Not sure being good looking makes much difference to this but being young does. Adam said his piece as Captain and got booked. I thought Chelski looked very dirty on MOTD2 last night, so a good time for Poch to bring it up.[/p][/quote]The problem here was that Adam was not skipper, KD had the armband, I am sure Lalla forgot for the moment and was doing his normal polite enquiry out of turn, hence the yellow card. OSPREYSAINT

3:53pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Galapagos Saint says...

It's all tax-deductible, they're fairly incorruptible
It's all tax-deductible, they're fairly incorruptible Galapagos Saint

4:00pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Rising_Son says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Refereeing errors are largely preventable or at least curable (through video replays) and their continual tolerance by the FA is ruining the game.

But the FA, (UEFA or FIFA) won't change until it's in their interest to do so, which it won't be while the most influential people in football (the rich clubs, the media) benefit from the current situation. The rich clubs generally get more of the decisions, the media love the controversy and give far more column inches to big clubs than smaller clubs. Thus, refs have pressure on them to lean towards the big clubs because an error against, say, Saints, won't get the same scrutiny as an error against, say, Chelsea. Even if the two errors are made in the same match.

I managed to catch MotD on t'Internet yesterday and was delighted when the poor performance of Webb in the Chelsea vs Pool match was highlighted. Great, thought I, they must now do the same in our match. But no! Clearly, MotD considers errors in matches involving the big six - or made against the big 6 - to be of greater importance than any injustice against other teams such as Saints.

We certainly need the refereeing to be more even-handed, and need the authorities to find ways to bring this about, but we also need a more balanced media, otherwise, the pressure on refs to lean towards the big clubs will remain.

I reckon a good investment for NC this window would be to employ someone to re-watch every prem match (this season or over the 20+ Prem years) and score the refereeing - every penalty, goal, booking, sending off, FA punishment etc. that has been correctly/incorrectl



y given/not given etc.

We know the outcome, but it's time someone threw clear facts at the FA and made them deal with this once and for all.
It aint just the refs though is it Stras. The players have a lot to answer for, all that diving and throwing themselves around, and so called " simulation " you have to wonder, is that behaviour is encouraged by the managers of some clubs. telling them to go to ground at any contact. I absolutely hate some of the cheating from some players and until the refs start sending these cheats off it will only get worse.
I agree, Angus. And yes, much of it IS learnt on the training field. I knew a guy who was an Arsenal academy prospect - he never quite made it. What he told me about the tricks he was taught beggared belief.

Again, much of it would stop if videos were used during - or at least after - matches.

As things stand - no instant replays - the least that could be done is to punish offenders by review. I maintain that any clear simulation (I call it cheating) should carry an automatic one-match ban. If a gained advantage results in a goal, impose a second match ban and any points won by the offenders team should equal further bans. So, a dive which results in a penalty in a match won by the offender's team would equal 5 matches. That would make a few cheats think. No system is perfect, but something has to be tried.
Referees would be more 'protected' (if that's the right word) if the divers and their teams were penalised heavily as a result of post match reviews. Referees can't see everything, and they are always going to make mistakes and get conned. Football needs to do something about the conning.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Refereeing errors are largely preventable or at least curable (through video replays) and their continual tolerance by the FA is ruining the game. But the FA, (UEFA or FIFA) won't change until it's in their interest to do so, which it won't be while the most influential people in football (the rich clubs, the media) benefit from the current situation. The rich clubs generally get more of the decisions, the media love the controversy and give far more column inches to big clubs than smaller clubs. Thus, refs have pressure on them to lean towards the big clubs because an error against, say, Saints, won't get the same scrutiny as an error against, say, Chelsea. Even if the two errors are made in the same match. I managed to catch MotD on t'Internet yesterday and was delighted when the poor performance of Webb in the Chelsea vs Pool match was highlighted. Great, thought I, they must now do the same in our match. But no! Clearly, MotD considers errors in matches involving the big six - or made against the big 6 - to be of greater importance than any injustice against other teams such as Saints. We certainly need the refereeing to be more even-handed, and need the authorities to find ways to bring this about, but we also need a more balanced media, otherwise, the pressure on refs to lean towards the big clubs will remain. I reckon a good investment for NC this window would be to employ someone to re-watch every prem match (this season or over the 20+ Prem years) and score the refereeing - every penalty, goal, booking, sending off, FA punishment etc. that has been correctly/incorrectl y given/not given etc. We know the outcome, but it's time someone threw clear facts at the FA and made them deal with this once and for all.[/p][/quote]It aint just the refs though is it Stras. The players have a lot to answer for, all that diving and throwing themselves around, and so called " simulation " you have to wonder, is that behaviour is encouraged by the managers of some clubs. telling them to go to ground at any contact. I absolutely hate some of the cheating from some players and until the refs start sending these cheats off it will only get worse.[/p][/quote]I agree, Angus. And yes, much of it IS learnt on the training field. I knew a guy who was an Arsenal academy prospect - he never quite made it. What he told me about the tricks he was taught beggared belief. Again, much of it would stop if videos were used during - or at least after - matches. As things stand - no instant replays - the least that could be done is to punish offenders by review. I maintain that any clear simulation (I call it cheating) should carry an automatic one-match ban. If a gained advantage results in a goal, impose a second match ban and any points won by the offenders team should equal further bans. So, a dive which results in a penalty in a match won by the offender's team would equal 5 matches. That would make a few cheats think. No system is perfect, but something has to be tried.[/p][/quote]Referees would be more 'protected' (if that's the right word) if the divers and their teams were penalised heavily as a result of post match reviews. Referees can't see everything, and they are always going to make mistakes and get conned. Football needs to do something about the conning. Rising_Son

4:04pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Shrewdsaint says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Shrewdsaint wrote:
Not sure being good looking makes much difference to this but being young does. Adam said his piece as Captain and got booked. I thought Chelski looked very dirty on MOTD2 last night, so a good time for Poch to bring it up.
The problem here was that Adam was not skipper, KD had the armband, I am sure Lalla forgot for the moment and was doing his normal polite enquiry out of turn, hence the yellow card.
Good point, forgot that KD was captain. When Man U et al protest though its more like half the team and none of them get booked, watch Fergle nan run half the pitch when he's not captain. Same old, same old.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shrewdsaint[/bold] wrote: Not sure being good looking makes much difference to this but being young does. Adam said his piece as Captain and got booked. I thought Chelski looked very dirty on MOTD2 last night, so a good time for Poch to bring it up.[/p][/quote]The problem here was that Adam was not skipper, KD had the armband, I am sure Lalla forgot for the moment and was doing his normal polite enquiry out of turn, hence the yellow card.[/p][/quote]Good point, forgot that KD was captain. When Man U et al protest though its more like half the team and none of them get booked, watch Fergle nan run half the pitch when he's not captain. Same old, same old. Shrewdsaint

4:05pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Costa Baz says...

I suggested, after the match, that it might be a good thing for the referees to explain what is or isn't handball.

Now I would like them to do it using the incident at Everton, that was not handball and the one at Tottenham which was handball.

On both occasions the defender jumped with his hand beside his head.
On both occasions the ball struck the hand/arm.
But only Tottenham were awarded a penalty.

Poch is correct with his comments. Referees needed to grow a pair and make the right decision, irrespective of crowd, player or manager intimidation.
I suggested, after the match, that it might be a good thing for the referees to explain what is or isn't handball. Now I would like them to do it using the incident at Everton, that was not handball and the one at Tottenham which was handball. On both occasions the defender jumped with his hand beside his head. On both occasions the ball struck the hand/arm. But only Tottenham were awarded a penalty. Poch is correct with his comments. Referees needed to grow a pair and make the right decision, irrespective of crowd, player or manager intimidation. Costa Baz

4:18pm Mon 30 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

I think this is first time in ages that I have heard a Southampton Manager actually mention a Referees decisions, I think it is something that is frowned upon by NC, so it took something special to get this response. There is only so much injustice that a person can take.
I think this is first time in ages that I have heard a Southampton Manager actually mention a Referees decisions, I think it is something that is frowned upon by NC, so it took something special to get this response. There is only so much injustice that a person can take. OSPREYSAINT

4:58pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Clever Dick says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I think this is first time in ages that I have heard a Southampton Manager actually mention a Referees decisions, I think it is something that is frowned upon by NC, so it took something special to get this response. There is only so much injustice that a person can take.
Unsurprisingly the powers that be have their heads so deep in the sand you can only just spot the heels of their shoes. I've written to the fa in the past over "leg breaking tackles" which have gone unpunished because the referee "saw"the incident. They do actually respond but only with the politically correct answer which I think they pick from a list of politically correct answers drawn up by the fa. When I responded that the referee who "saw" the tackle clearly didn't see the incident properly they don't seem to have drawn up an answer to that one yet.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I think this is first time in ages that I have heard a Southampton Manager actually mention a Referees decisions, I think it is something that is frowned upon by NC, so it took something special to get this response. There is only so much injustice that a person can take.[/p][/quote]Unsurprisingly the powers that be have their heads so deep in the sand you can only just spot the heels of their shoes. I've written to the fa in the past over "leg breaking tackles" which have gone unpunished because the referee "saw"the incident. They do actually respond but only with the politically correct answer which I think they pick from a list of politically correct answers drawn up by the fa. When I responded that the referee who "saw" the tackle clearly didn't see the incident properly they don't seem to have drawn up an answer to that one yet. Clever Dick

5:07pm Mon 30 Dec 13

andygoater1957 says...

Shrewdsaint wrote:
Not sure being good looking makes much difference to this but being young does. Adam said his piece as Captain and got booked. I thought Chelski looked very dirty on MOTD2 last night, so a good time for Poch to bring it up.
Adam was not captain at Everton.
[quote][p][bold]Shrewdsaint[/bold] wrote: Not sure being good looking makes much difference to this but being young does. Adam said his piece as Captain and got booked. I thought Chelski looked very dirty on MOTD2 last night, so a good time for Poch to bring it up.[/p][/quote]Adam was not captain at Everton. andygoater1957

5:08pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Clever Dick says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Spot on MoPo. I've spent my life not only being unfairly penalised by officialdom for being young, handsome, good looking and friendly - but also pestered for attention and 'services' by thousands of attractive women.

And when you add to my numerous charms a very high IQ, great athleticism and exceptional acumen for all the sciences and arts - together with a high degree of natural humility - it amounts to a huge burden to carry.

Oh how I'd love to be Mr Average for just a day.
I know what you mean Confucious. I once entered a Mr Perfect contest and was pipped into second place because, despite my intelligence, good looks, hard-working ethic, amazing artistic talent and outstanding sporting ability, I was too modest.
Yes life can be a real **** sometimes. I like to remain modest at all times but being christened Clever Dick by my parents can be a bit difficult at times. Fortunately they proved to be 100% Correct.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Spot on MoPo. I've spent my life not only being unfairly penalised by officialdom for being young, handsome, good looking and friendly - but also pestered for attention and 'services' by thousands of attractive women. And when you add to my numerous charms a very high IQ, great athleticism and exceptional acumen for all the sciences and arts - together with a high degree of natural humility - it amounts to a huge burden to carry. Oh how I'd love to be Mr Average for just a day.[/p][/quote]I know what you mean Confucious. I once entered a Mr Perfect contest and was pipped into second place because, despite my intelligence, good looks, hard-working ethic, amazing artistic talent and outstanding sporting ability, I was too modest.[/p][/quote]Yes life can be a real **** sometimes. I like to remain modest at all times but being christened Clever Dick by my parents can be a bit difficult at times. Fortunately they proved to be 100% Correct. Clever Dick

5:19pm Mon 30 Dec 13

andygoater1957 says...

If the club do not report the refering to the P/L and FA . Nothing will be done as my father was told by them
If the club do not report the refering to the P/L and FA . Nothing will be done as my father was told by them andygoater1957

5:26pm Mon 30 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

andygoater1957 wrote:
If the club do not report the refering to the P/L and FA . Nothing will be done as my father was told by them
Interesting point, I wonder if there is a facility for the Club to report to either Association that carries any weight?
[quote][p][bold]andygoater1957[/bold] wrote: If the club do not report the refering to the P/L and FA . Nothing will be done as my father was told by them[/p][/quote]Interesting point, I wonder if there is a facility for the Club to report to either Association that carries any weight? OSPREYSAINT

5:39pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Norwegian Saint says...

JohnItaly wrote:
Norwegian Saint wrote:
I am sure it will come out one day that Clatterbrain is part of a betting syndicate.... harsh maybe but he often gives late penalties or decisions against us. Refs are not paid a great sum and being offered a top players weekly wage would be too much temptation.
I have also wrote to the FA asking for a reason behind Clatterbrains penalty award against Fonte at Arsenal and another referees decision in the match Ma C v Liverpool Skrtal was practically making love to Vincent Kompany and nothing awarded. A first class case of rules for different teams
Did you get a reply?
Within five working days... will post the reply
[quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: I am sure it will come out one day that Clatterbrain is part of a betting syndicate.... harsh maybe but he often gives late penalties or decisions against us. Refs are not paid a great sum and being offered a top players weekly wage would be too much temptation. I have also wrote to the FA asking for a reason behind Clatterbrains penalty award against Fonte at Arsenal and another referees decision in the match Ma C v Liverpool Skrtal was practically making love to Vincent Kompany and nothing awarded. A first class case of rules for different teams[/p][/quote]Did you get a reply?[/p][/quote]Within five working days... will post the reply Norwegian Saint

6:02pm Mon 30 Dec 13

batesieboy says...

Oviedo's nasty, dangerous, two- footed "tackle" was a clear sending off. He only got a yellow card, and Martinez replaced him. Referee's assistant got two out of two important off-side decisions wrong to the detriment of Saints (TV commentators confirmed this during replays.) And the "penalty where the referee was totally out of position, and not a dicky-bird from his little helpers. Pathetic. However, we posed no threat, after all the fancy huffing and puffing, where it really matters...in the box, which would have made these complaints irrelevant.
Oviedo's nasty, dangerous, two- footed "tackle" was a clear sending off. He only got a yellow card, and Martinez replaced him. Referee's assistant got two out of two important off-side decisions wrong to the detriment of Saints (TV commentators confirmed this during replays.) And the "penalty where the referee was totally out of position, and not a dicky-bird from his little helpers. Pathetic. However, we posed no threat, after all the fancy huffing and puffing, where it really matters...in the box, which would have made these complaints irrelevant. batesieboy

6:26pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

The refereeing was completely sh!te yesterday. In the defence of refs I would point out the decisions at Cardiff. Adam and Jay cleverly played the offside trap when Adam received the ball Jay was off who went on to score. Also Jay was level for the other goal. The ref got those two right but they were really marginal and we have all seen those decisions go against us many times.
The refereeing was completely sh!te yesterday. In the defence of refs I would point out the decisions at Cardiff. Adam and Jay cleverly played the offside trap when Adam received the ball Jay was off who went on to score. Also Jay was level for the other goal. The ref got those two right but they were really marginal and we have all seen those decisions go against us many times. Seedhouse the Unrepentant

6:54pm Mon 30 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
The refereeing was completely sh!te yesterday. In the defence of refs I would point out the decisions at Cardiff. Adam and Jay cleverly played the offside trap when Adam received the ball Jay was off who went on to score. Also Jay was level for the other goal. The ref got those two right but they were really marginal and we have all seen those decisions go against us many times.
The officiating at Cardiff was good, and the lass Ms Massey as far as I could see only got one wrong, but that resulted in Luke getting booked!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: The refereeing was completely sh!te yesterday. In the defence of refs I would point out the decisions at Cardiff. Adam and Jay cleverly played the offside trap when Adam received the ball Jay was off who went on to score. Also Jay was level for the other goal. The ref got those two right but they were really marginal and we have all seen those decisions go against us many times.[/p][/quote]The officiating at Cardiff was good, and the lass Ms Massey as far as I could see only got one wrong, but that resulted in Luke getting booked! OSPREYSAINT

7:01pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
The refereeing was completely sh!te yesterday. In the defence of refs I would point out the decisions at Cardiff. Adam and Jay cleverly played the offside trap when Adam received the ball Jay was off who went on to score. Also Jay was level for the other goal. The ref got those two right but they were really marginal and we have all seen those decisions go against us many times.
The officiating at Cardiff was good, and the lass Ms Massey as far as I could see only got one wrong, but that resulted in Luke getting booked!
Indeed. Is it just me or would you like to have a right good go on her Ospers? In her kit obviously.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: The refereeing was completely sh!te yesterday. In the defence of refs I would point out the decisions at Cardiff. Adam and Jay cleverly played the offside trap when Adam received the ball Jay was off who went on to score. Also Jay was level for the other goal. The ref got those two right but they were really marginal and we have all seen those decisions go against us many times.[/p][/quote]The officiating at Cardiff was good, and the lass Ms Massey as far as I could see only got one wrong, but that resulted in Luke getting booked![/p][/quote]Indeed. Is it just me or would you like to have a right good go on her Ospers? In her kit obviously. Seedhouse the Unrepentant

7:10pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Norwegian Saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
The refereeing was completely sh!te yesterday. In the defence of refs I would point out the decisions at Cardiff. Adam and Jay cleverly played the offside trap when Adam received the ball Jay was off who went on to score. Also Jay was level for the other goal. The ref got those two right but they were really marginal and we have all seen those decisions go against us many times.
The officiating at Cardiff was good, and the lass Ms Massey as far as I could see only got one wrong, but that resulted in Luke getting booked!
Indeed. Is it just me or would you like to have a right good go on her Ospers? In her kit obviously.
Seed.... You really need to get over to Scandinavia... I guess you have a soft (?) spot for Michaela Tabb the snooker referee too? (I'm actually friends with her!)
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: The refereeing was completely sh!te yesterday. In the defence of refs I would point out the decisions at Cardiff. Adam and Jay cleverly played the offside trap when Adam received the ball Jay was off who went on to score. Also Jay was level for the other goal. The ref got those two right but they were really marginal and we have all seen those decisions go against us many times.[/p][/quote]The officiating at Cardiff was good, and the lass Ms Massey as far as I could see only got one wrong, but that resulted in Luke getting booked![/p][/quote]Indeed. Is it just me or would you like to have a right good go on her Ospers? In her kit obviously.[/p][/quote]Seed.... You really need to get over to Scandinavia... I guess you have a soft (?) spot for Michaela Tabb the snooker referee too? (I'm actually friends with her!) Norwegian Saint

7:14pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Norwegian Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
The refereeing was completely sh!te yesterday. In the defence of refs I would point out the decisions at Cardiff. Adam and Jay cleverly played the offside trap when Adam received the ball Jay was off who went on to score. Also Jay was level for the other goal. The ref got those two right but they were really marginal and we have all seen those decisions go against us many times.
The officiating at Cardiff was good, and the lass Ms Massey as far as I could see only got one wrong, but that resulted in Luke getting booked!
Indeed. Is it just me or would you like to have a right good go on her Ospers? In her kit obviously.
Seed.... You really need to get over to Scandinavia... I guess you have a soft (?) spot for Michaela Tabb the snooker referee too? (I'm actually friends with her!)
It would be nice if you were to introduce us. Tell her to bring her gloves.
[quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: The refereeing was completely sh!te yesterday. In the defence of refs I would point out the decisions at Cardiff. Adam and Jay cleverly played the offside trap when Adam received the ball Jay was off who went on to score. Also Jay was level for the other goal. The ref got those two right but they were really marginal and we have all seen those decisions go against us many times.[/p][/quote]The officiating at Cardiff was good, and the lass Ms Massey as far as I could see only got one wrong, but that resulted in Luke getting booked![/p][/quote]Indeed. Is it just me or would you like to have a right good go on her Ospers? In her kit obviously.[/p][/quote]Seed.... You really need to get over to Scandinavia... I guess you have a soft (?) spot for Michaela Tabb the snooker referee too? (I'm actually friends with her!)[/p][/quote]It would be nice if you were to introduce us. Tell her to bring her gloves. Seedhouse the Unrepentant

7:23pm Mon 30 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
The refereeing was completely sh!te yesterday. In the defence of refs I would point out the decisions at Cardiff. Adam and Jay cleverly played the offside trap when Adam received the ball Jay was off who went on to score. Also Jay was level for the other goal. The ref got those two right but they were really marginal and we have all seen those decisions go against us many times.
The officiating at Cardiff was good, and the lass Ms Massey as far as I could see only got one wrong, but that resulted in Luke getting booked!
Indeed. Is it just me or would you like to have a right good go on her Ospers? In her kit obviously.
20 years ago may be, I am definitely past it these days, no harm in enjoying the view, and giving credit where it due, I dont do MCP.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: The refereeing was completely sh!te yesterday. In the defence of refs I would point out the decisions at Cardiff. Adam and Jay cleverly played the offside trap when Adam received the ball Jay was off who went on to score. Also Jay was level for the other goal. The ref got those two right but they were really marginal and we have all seen those decisions go against us many times.[/p][/quote]The officiating at Cardiff was good, and the lass Ms Massey as far as I could see only got one wrong, but that resulted in Luke getting booked![/p][/quote]Indeed. Is it just me or would you like to have a right good go on her Ospers? In her kit obviously.[/p][/quote]20 years ago may be, I am definitely past it these days, no harm in enjoying the view, and giving credit where it due, I dont do MCP. OSPREYSAINT

7:27pm Mon 30 Dec 13

slugger says...

If my Auntie had balls she'd be my uncle ! .......... We lost fair and square , move on .
If my Auntie had balls she'd be my uncle ! .......... We lost fair and square , move on . slugger

7:38pm Mon 30 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Norwegian Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
The refereeing was completely sh!te yesterday. In the defence of refs I would point out the decisions at Cardiff. Adam and Jay cleverly played the offside trap when Adam received the ball Jay was off who went on to score. Also Jay was level for the other goal. The ref got those two right but they were really marginal and we have all seen those decisions go against us many times.
The officiating at Cardiff was good, and the lass Ms Massey as far as I could see only got one wrong, but that resulted in Luke getting booked!
Indeed. Is it just me or would you like to have a right good go on her Ospers? In her kit obviously.
Seed.... You really need to get over to Scandinavia... I guess you have a soft (?) spot for Michaela Tabb the snooker referee too? (I'm actually friends with her!)
It would be nice if you were to introduce us. Tell her to bring her gloves.
Cue for a jest. Ah! Pink in the centre pocket, just memories.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: The refereeing was completely sh!te yesterday. In the defence of refs I would point out the decisions at Cardiff. Adam and Jay cleverly played the offside trap when Adam received the ball Jay was off who went on to score. Also Jay was level for the other goal. The ref got those two right but they were really marginal and we have all seen those decisions go against us many times.[/p][/quote]The officiating at Cardiff was good, and the lass Ms Massey as far as I could see only got one wrong, but that resulted in Luke getting booked![/p][/quote]Indeed. Is it just me or would you like to have a right good go on her Ospers? In her kit obviously.[/p][/quote]Seed.... You really need to get over to Scandinavia... I guess you have a soft (?) spot for Michaela Tabb the snooker referee too? (I'm actually friends with her!)[/p][/quote]It would be nice if you were to introduce us. Tell her to bring her gloves.[/p][/quote]Cue for a jest. Ah! Pink in the centre pocket, just memories. OSPREYSAINT

7:41pm Mon 30 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

slugger wrote:
If my Auntie had balls she'd be my uncle ! .......... We lost fair and square , move on .
If your Uncle had knockers he'd be your Aunt?
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: If my Auntie had balls she'd be my uncle ! .......... We lost fair and square , move on .[/p][/quote]If your Uncle had knockers he'd be your Aunt? OSPREYSAINT

7:42pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Norwegian Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
The refereeing was completely sh!te yesterday. In the defence of refs I would point out the decisions at Cardiff. Adam and Jay cleverly played the offside trap when Adam received the ball Jay was off who went on to score. Also Jay was level for the other goal. The ref got those two right but they were really marginal and we have all seen those decisions go against us many times.
The officiating at Cardiff was good, and the lass Ms Massey as far as I could see only got one wrong, but that resulted in Luke getting booked!
Indeed. Is it just me or would you like to have a right good go on her Ospers? In her kit obviously.
Seed.... You really need to get over to Scandinavia... I guess you have a soft (?) spot for Michaela Tabb the snooker referee too? (I'm actually friends with her!)
It would be nice if you were to introduce us. Tell her to bring her gloves.
Cue for a jest. Ah! Pink in the centre pocket, just memories.
Would you pot the brown?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: The refereeing was completely sh!te yesterday. In the defence of refs I would point out the decisions at Cardiff. Adam and Jay cleverly played the offside trap when Adam received the ball Jay was off who went on to score. Also Jay was level for the other goal. The ref got those two right but they were really marginal and we have all seen those decisions go against us many times.[/p][/quote]The officiating at Cardiff was good, and the lass Ms Massey as far as I could see only got one wrong, but that resulted in Luke getting booked![/p][/quote]Indeed. Is it just me or would you like to have a right good go on her Ospers? In her kit obviously.[/p][/quote]Seed.... You really need to get over to Scandinavia... I guess you have a soft (?) spot for Michaela Tabb the snooker referee too? (I'm actually friends with her!)[/p][/quote]It would be nice if you were to introduce us. Tell her to bring her gloves.[/p][/quote]Cue for a jest. Ah! Pink in the centre pocket, just memories.[/p][/quote]Would you pot the brown? Seedhouse the Unrepentant

8:26pm Mon 30 Dec 13

mack chinnon says...

slugger wrote:
If my Auntie had balls she'd be my uncle ! .......... We lost fair and square , move on .
here speaks the voice of wisdom.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: If my Auntie had balls she'd be my uncle ! .......... We lost fair and square , move on .[/p][/quote]here speaks the voice of wisdom. mack chinnon

10:12pm Mon 30 Dec 13

hedge end bob says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
slugger wrote: If my Auntie had balls she'd be my uncle ! .......... We lost fair and square , move on .
If your Uncle had knockers he'd be your Aunt?
Will you two pack it in, you sound just like skunt spporters!!!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: If my Auntie had balls she'd be my uncle ! .......... We lost fair and square , move on .[/p][/quote]If your Uncle had knockers he'd be your Aunt?[/p][/quote]Will you two pack it in, you sound just like skunt spporters!!! hedge end bob

10:15pm Mon 30 Dec 13

hedge end bob says...

hedge end bob wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
slugger wrote: If my Auntie had balls she'd be my uncle ! .......... We lost fair and square , move on .
If your Uncle had knockers he'd be your Aunt?
Will you two pack it in, you sound just like skunt spporters!!!
spporters, where's the fecking u gone???
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: If my Auntie had balls she'd be my uncle ! .......... We lost fair and square , move on .[/p][/quote]If your Uncle had knockers he'd be your Aunt?[/p][/quote]Will you two pack it in, you sound just like skunt spporters!!![/p][/quote]spporters, where's the fecking u gone??? hedge end bob

10:17pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Clever Dick says...

hedge end bob wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
slugger wrote: If my Auntie had balls she'd be my uncle ! .......... We lost fair and square , move on .
If your Uncle had knockers he'd be your Aunt?
Will you two pack it in, you sound just like skunt spporters!!!
Never! The spelling is far too good.
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: If my Auntie had balls she'd be my uncle ! .......... We lost fair and square , move on .[/p][/quote]If your Uncle had knockers he'd be your Aunt?[/p][/quote]Will you two pack it in, you sound just like skunt spporters!!![/p][/quote]Never! The spelling is far too good. Clever Dick

10:30pm Mon 30 Dec 13

miltonarcher says...

What a load of rubbish! Refs have a difficult enough job without articles and comments like this. They are human and make mistakes, just like players and managers. Decisions even out over the course of the season, just accept it as part of the game.

What the hell has being handsome got to do with it? Get a grip MoPo, concentrate on managing and leave the whinging to the managers of Chelsea, Arse, Liverpool and ManU.
What a load of rubbish! Refs have a difficult enough job without articles and comments like this. They are human and make mistakes, just like players and managers. Decisions even out over the course of the season, just accept it as part of the game. What the hell has being handsome got to do with it? Get a grip MoPo, concentrate on managing and leave the whinging to the managers of Chelsea, Arse, Liverpool and ManU. miltonarcher

10:38pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Stroppy_gramps says...

miltonarcher wrote:
What a load of rubbish! Refs have a difficult enough job without articles and comments like this. They are human and make mistakes, just like players and managers. Decisions even out over the course of the season, just accept it as part of the game.

What the hell has being handsome got to do with it? Get a grip MoPo, concentrate on managing and leave the whinging to the managers of Chelsea, Arse, Liverpool and ManU.
While I understand that refs are human (apparently) what I do not understand and do not accept is when the ref is in a clear position to see a penalty decision and does not give it.

It's happening too many times for it to be mere human error. And, frankly, if it is human error then they should bloody modernise and start using a TMO to make sure the right decision is made (and that includes bullsh*t like diving and all the rubbish you see in the penalty area on a corner)

However. Above all of this - I would like to see analysis on how many matches Saints have got a draw or a win from that clattenburg was the ref for. I just need to see the raw figures to disprove what I believe - that Saints never win if Clattenburg is the ref.
I would love to be proved wrong on this because in my head, all referees are fair and just and do not play favorites.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: What a load of rubbish! Refs have a difficult enough job without articles and comments like this. They are human and make mistakes, just like players and managers. Decisions even out over the course of the season, just accept it as part of the game. What the hell has being handsome got to do with it? Get a grip MoPo, concentrate on managing and leave the whinging to the managers of Chelsea, Arse, Liverpool and ManU.[/p][/quote]While I understand that refs are human (apparently) what I do not understand and do not accept is when the ref is in a clear position to see a penalty decision and does not give it. It's happening too many times for it to be mere human error. And, frankly, if it is human error then they should bloody modernise and start using a TMO to make sure the right decision is made (and that includes bullsh*t like diving and all the rubbish you see in the penalty area on a corner) However. Above all of this - I would like to see analysis on how many matches Saints have got a draw or a win from that clattenburg was the ref for. I just need to see the raw figures to disprove what I believe - that Saints never win if Clattenburg is the ref. I would love to be proved wrong on this because in my head, all referees are fair and just and do not play favorites. Stroppy_gramps

10:50pm Mon 30 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Norwegian Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
The refereeing was completely sh!te yesterday. In the defence of refs I would point out the decisions at Cardiff. Adam and Jay cleverly played the offside trap when Adam received the ball Jay was off who went on to score. Also Jay was level for the other goal. The ref got those two right but they were really marginal and we have all seen those decisions go against us many times.
The officiating at Cardiff was good, and the lass Ms Massey as far as I could see only got one wrong, but that resulted in Luke getting booked!
Indeed. Is it just me or would you like to have a right good go on her Ospers? In her kit obviously.
Seed.... You really need to get over to Scandinavia... I guess you have a soft (?) spot for Michaela Tabb the snooker referee too? (I'm actually friends with her!)
It would be nice if you were to introduce us. Tell her to bring her gloves.
Cue for a jest. Ah! Pink in the centre pocket, just memories.
Would you pot the brown?
Or in off the black? I think it is time to get back to the thread, please.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: The refereeing was completely sh!te yesterday. In the defence of refs I would point out the decisions at Cardiff. Adam and Jay cleverly played the offside trap when Adam received the ball Jay was off who went on to score. Also Jay was level for the other goal. The ref got those two right but they were really marginal and we have all seen those decisions go against us many times.[/p][/quote]The officiating at Cardiff was good, and the lass Ms Massey as far as I could see only got one wrong, but that resulted in Luke getting booked![/p][/quote]Indeed. Is it just me or would you like to have a right good go on her Ospers? In her kit obviously.[/p][/quote]Seed.... You really need to get over to Scandinavia... I guess you have a soft (?) spot for Michaela Tabb the snooker referee too? (I'm actually friends with her!)[/p][/quote]It would be nice if you were to introduce us. Tell her to bring her gloves.[/p][/quote]Cue for a jest. Ah! Pink in the centre pocket, just memories.[/p][/quote]Would you pot the brown?[/p][/quote]Or in off the black? I think it is time to get back to the thread, please. OSPREYSAINT

10:55pm Mon 30 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

miltonarcher wrote:
What a load of rubbish! Refs have a difficult enough job without articles and comments like this. They are human and make mistakes, just like players and managers. Decisions even out over the course of the season, just accept it as part of the game.

What the hell has being handsome got to do with it? Get a grip MoPo, concentrate on managing and leave the whinging to the managers of Chelsea, Arse, Liverpool and ManU.
The point of the thread is to point out the lack of professionalism being exhibited at the moment, it isn't only the Saints that are suffering, it is the game itself. I was flamed the last time I quoted the "even out over the Season" quote, it would seem that most people think this is a myth, I would be interested in any facts or stats that can prove it one way or another. As I said earlier, it is highly unusual for a Saints Manager to complain, so I give more heed to the fact that Potch has done so.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: What a load of rubbish! Refs have a difficult enough job without articles and comments like this. They are human and make mistakes, just like players and managers. Decisions even out over the course of the season, just accept it as part of the game. What the hell has being handsome got to do with it? Get a grip MoPo, concentrate on managing and leave the whinging to the managers of Chelsea, Arse, Liverpool and ManU.[/p][/quote]The point of the thread is to point out the lack of professionalism being exhibited at the moment, it isn't only the Saints that are suffering, it is the game itself. I was flamed the last time I quoted the "even out over the Season" quote, it would seem that most people think this is a myth, I would be interested in any facts or stats that can prove it one way or another. As I said earlier, it is highly unusual for a Saints Manager to complain, so I give more heed to the fact that Potch has done so. OSPREYSAINT

11:19pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

miltonarcher wrote:
What a load of rubbish! Refs have a difficult enough job without articles and comments like this. They are human and make mistakes, just like players and managers. Decisions even out over the course of the season, just accept it as part of the game.

What the hell has being handsome got to do with it? Get a grip MoPo, concentrate on managing and leave the whinging to the managers of Chelsea, Arse, Liverpool and ManU.
Decisions do NOT even out over the course of the season. THAT'S the point!
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: What a load of rubbish! Refs have a difficult enough job without articles and comments like this. They are human and make mistakes, just like players and managers. Decisions even out over the course of the season, just accept it as part of the game. What the hell has being handsome got to do with it? Get a grip MoPo, concentrate on managing and leave the whinging to the managers of Chelsea, Arse, Liverpool and ManU.[/p][/quote]Decisions do NOT even out over the course of the season. THAT'S the point! Strasbourg Saint

11:29pm Mon 30 Dec 13

BracknellSaint says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
What a load of rubbish! Refs have a difficult enough job without articles and comments like this. They are human and make mistakes, just like players and managers. Decisions even out over the course of the season, just accept it as part of the game.

What the hell has being handsome got to do with it? Get a grip MoPo, concentrate on managing and leave the whinging to the managers of Chelsea, Arse, Liverpool and ManU.
The point of the thread is to point out the lack of professionalism being exhibited at the moment, it isn't only the Saints that are suffering, it is the game itself. I was flamed the last time I quoted the "even out over the Season" quote, it would seem that most people think this is a myth, I would be interested in any facts or stats that can prove it one way or another. As I said earlier, it is highly unusual for a Saints Manager to complain, so I give more heed to the fact that Potch has done so.
Hope you're theory proves right! Means we are due about 6 dodgy pens, 3 clear offside goals allowed to stand and a couple of ridiculous red cards to the opposition for something stupid like sneezing! If your theory holds true, it's going to be an awesome second half of the season for us! Here's hoping!!!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: What a load of rubbish! Refs have a difficult enough job without articles and comments like this. They are human and make mistakes, just like players and managers. Decisions even out over the course of the season, just accept it as part of the game. What the hell has being handsome got to do with it? Get a grip MoPo, concentrate on managing and leave the whinging to the managers of Chelsea, Arse, Liverpool and ManU.[/p][/quote]The point of the thread is to point out the lack of professionalism being exhibited at the moment, it isn't only the Saints that are suffering, it is the game itself. I was flamed the last time I quoted the "even out over the Season" quote, it would seem that most people think this is a myth, I would be interested in any facts or stats that can prove it one way or another. As I said earlier, it is highly unusual for a Saints Manager to complain, so I give more heed to the fact that Potch has done so.[/p][/quote]Hope you're theory proves right! Means we are due about 6 dodgy pens, 3 clear offside goals allowed to stand and a couple of ridiculous red cards to the opposition for something stupid like sneezing! If your theory holds true, it's going to be an awesome second half of the season for us! Here's hoping!!! BracknellSaint

11:40pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Baddesley Bill says...

I think we all agree that refs are under extreme pressure...they are human and prone to error on occasions.

The simple fact is that if they error in favour of the "big" clubs, then they will not appear on the back page of a national newspaper nor be questioned on the likes of MOTD. This is why they err in favour against the likes of us on the big calls.

It is a media thing...and sadly will not change imo.
I think we all agree that refs are under extreme pressure...they are human and prone to error on occasions. The simple fact is that if they error in favour of the "big" clubs, then they will not appear on the back page of a national newspaper nor be questioned on the likes of MOTD. This is why they err in favour against the likes of us on the big calls. It is a media thing...and sadly will not change imo. Baddesley Bill

11:41pm Mon 30 Dec 13

slugger says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
What a load of rubbish! Refs have a difficult enough job without articles and comments like this. They are human and make mistakes, just like players and managers. Decisions even out over the course of the season, just accept it as part of the game.

What the hell has being handsome got to do with it? Get a grip MoPo, concentrate on managing and leave the whinging to the managers of Chelsea, Arse, Liverpool and ManU.
Decisions do NOT even out over the course of the season. THAT'S the point!
I believe that on the whole they do ........ I'm not moaning .
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: What a load of rubbish! Refs have a difficult enough job without articles and comments like this. They are human and make mistakes, just like players and managers. Decisions even out over the course of the season, just accept it as part of the game. What the hell has being handsome got to do with it? Get a grip MoPo, concentrate on managing and leave the whinging to the managers of Chelsea, Arse, Liverpool and ManU.[/p][/quote]Decisions do NOT even out over the course of the season. THAT'S the point![/p][/quote]I believe that on the whole they do ........ I'm not moaning . slugger

2:50am Tue 31 Dec 13

DisplacedFan says...

Clever Dick wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
slugger wrote: If my Auntie had balls she'd be my uncle ! .......... We lost fair and square , move on .
If your Uncle had knockers he'd be your Aunt?
Will you two pack it in, you sound just like skunt spporters!!!
Never! The spelling is far too good.
And no one is talking about mothers or sisters!
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: If my Auntie had balls she'd be my uncle ! .......... We lost fair and square , move on .[/p][/quote]If your Uncle had knockers he'd be your Aunt?[/p][/quote]Will you two pack it in, you sound just like skunt spporters!!![/p][/quote]Never! The spelling is far too good.[/p][/quote]And no one is talking about mothers or sisters! DisplacedFan

9:09am Tue 31 Dec 13

miltonarcher says...

All this grief about refs, how about focusing on the cheating. Every game, every player will try and con the ref in some way. The poor bloke has to get every decision right and spot the cheating or you get fans claiming bias. There is a stupid myth about some refs having some sort of vendetta against Saints. Rubbish, they are doing their best in difficult circumstances, give them a break and debate why players have to cheat.
All this grief about refs, how about focusing on the cheating. Every game, every player will try and con the ref in some way. The poor bloke has to get every decision right and spot the cheating or you get fans claiming bias. There is a stupid myth about some refs having some sort of vendetta against Saints. Rubbish, they are doing their best in difficult circumstances, give them a break and debate why players have to cheat. miltonarcher

11:17am Tue 31 Dec 13

Beer Monster says...

Mmmmm, Michela Tabb....
Mmmmm, Michela Tabb.... Beer Monster

11:47am Tue 31 Dec 13

likewatchingbrazil says...

Clattenturd has never been that good not only for us but most of the matches he has taken part in.
Clattenturd has never been that good not only for us but most of the matches he has taken part in. likewatchingbrazil

3:17pm Tue 31 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

miltonarcher wrote:
All this grief about refs, how about focusing on the cheating. Every game, every player will try and con the ref in some way. The poor bloke has to get every decision right and spot the cheating or you get fans claiming bias. There is a stupid myth about some refs having some sort of vendetta against Saints. Rubbish, they are doing their best in difficult circumstances, give them a break and debate why players have to cheat.
I think most of us regard it as incompetence rather than a vendetta.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: All this grief about refs, how about focusing on the cheating. Every game, every player will try and con the ref in some way. The poor bloke has to get every decision right and spot the cheating or you get fans claiming bias. There is a stupid myth about some refs having some sort of vendetta against Saints. Rubbish, they are doing their best in difficult circumstances, give them a break and debate why players have to cheat.[/p][/quote]I think most of us regard it as incompetence rather than a vendetta. OSPREYSAINT

10:14am Wed 1 Jan 14

the_elf says...

Every fan moans about the decisions that go against them, no one notices when decisions go for them. Every week in the chapel there is a bloke behind me complaining about about offside decisions at the far end.

The real point is this though. It makes no difference what your opinion (or anyone else's at the ground, in the papers or on TV) is of a tackle, decision, booking etc. The refs view is what counts, hence why the FA only get involved if they don't see it. Everything they see, they pass judgement on, and no one cares if another opinion of the same thing differs, that is why they are the ref. Why worry what frame by frame TV replays show, life isn't run at that speed.
Every fan moans about the decisions that go against them, no one notices when decisions go for them. Every week in the chapel there is a bloke behind me complaining about about offside decisions at the far end. The real point is this though. It makes no difference what your opinion (or anyone else's at the ground, in the papers or on TV) is of a tackle, decision, booking etc. The refs view is what counts, hence why the FA only get involved if they don't see it. Everything they see, they pass judgement on, and no one cares if another opinion of the same thing differs, that is why they are the ref. Why worry what frame by frame TV replays show, life isn't run at that speed. the_elf

11:24am Wed 1 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

the_elf wrote:
Every fan moans about the decisions that go against them, no one notices when decisions go for them. Every week in the chapel there is a bloke behind me complaining about about offside decisions at the far end.

The real point is this though. It makes no difference what your opinion (or anyone else's at the ground, in the papers or on TV) is of a tackle, decision, booking etc. The refs view is what counts, hence why the FA only get involved if they don't see it. Everything they see, they pass judgement on, and no one cares if another opinion of the same thing differs, that is why they are the ref. Why worry what frame by frame TV replays show, life isn't run at that speed.
There is an opportunity to use the frame by frame to correct the errors! However we would be getting into the cricket situation where the game would be stopping and starting while appeals are investigated, I don't fancy going down that road at all.
[quote][p][bold]the_elf[/bold] wrote: Every fan moans about the decisions that go against them, no one notices when decisions go for them. Every week in the chapel there is a bloke behind me complaining about about offside decisions at the far end. The real point is this though. It makes no difference what your opinion (or anyone else's at the ground, in the papers or on TV) is of a tackle, decision, booking etc. The refs view is what counts, hence why the FA only get involved if they don't see it. Everything they see, they pass judgement on, and no one cares if another opinion of the same thing differs, that is why they are the ref. Why worry what frame by frame TV replays show, life isn't run at that speed.[/p][/quote]There is an opportunity to use the frame by frame to correct the errors! However we would be getting into the cricket situation where the game would be stopping and starting while appeals are investigated, I don't fancy going down that road at all. OSPREYSAINT

2:43pm Wed 1 Jan 14

CB FRY LIVES says...

CLATTENBURG IS A CLOWN- A cowardly clown who always seems to favour the big clubs and the home team.it is about time the premier league have a look at test match cricket where the umpires are brought over from overseas.Mind you knowing Saints luck we would probably get a Herr Clattenburg from Pomerania..
COYR
CLATTENBURG IS A CLOWN- A cowardly clown who always seems to favour the big clubs and the home team.it is about time the premier league have a look at test match cricket where the umpires are brought over from overseas.Mind you knowing Saints luck we would probably get a Herr Clattenburg from Pomerania.. COYR CB FRY LIVES

8:17pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Saints n Winners says...

http://www.myfootbal
lfacts.com/Premier_L
eague_Penalty_Statis
tics.html

If you check out this years penalties stats; there is barely a top six bias. Check out Everton's for and against log. Let's move on
http://www.myfootbal lfacts.com/Premier_L eague_Penalty_Statis tics.html If you check out this years penalties stats; there is barely a top six bias. Check out Everton's for and against log. Let's move on Saints n Winners

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