Saints won't be panicked into making transfer market moves

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Mauricio Pochettino insists he will not be panicked into the transfer market after Saints lost at home to Chelsea.

The 3-0 defeat made it just one win in the last nine for Pochettino’s men, who have endured a tough run of fixtures and injuries.

However, the Saints boss is far more focussed on getting players back fit than delving into the transfer market after the January window opened for business.

“Just because we have lost to Chelsea it doesn’t make me interested in the transfer market,” said Pochettino.

“The most important thing right now is to recover the players that are injured for us.”

When asked if this window was more about keeping players than signing them he added: “I completely agree with what you’re saying. It’s very important to keep our best players but also to recover our players that have been injured for a while.

“To get everybody fit and playing as a unit is going to reinforce the squad a lot.”

Pochettino denied any interest in signing centre half Davide Astori from Cagliari and also laughed off reports in a national newspaper that West Ham were set to sign Rickie Lambert for £8m.

Lambert started the Chelsea game on the bench for Saints with Gaston Ramirez winning a recall after his goal at Everton and Jay Rodriguez leading the line.

“I know nothing about the possible signing of Rickie Lambert,” insisted the Saints manager.

“It’s clear that it’s January and the period when there’s a lot of rumours coming out as the transfer window is opening.

“It’s only going to be normal that these rumours come out.”

Luke Shaw was withdrawn at half time with a minor knock which Saints are optimistic will not be too serious and the club now have a week and half until they play in the league again.

That will be against West Brom at St Mary’s once an FA Cup third round tie with Burnley is out of the way.

For Saints it will be a relief not to have to face one of the Premier League’s big guns.

“It’s clear that we have been playing against the top sides, we have been suffering against them because they are obviously quality opposition,” said Pochettino.

“Chelsea are one of the favourites to win the league along with Manchester City, Arsenal, Liverpool, even Manchester United I wouldn’t count out of the running.

“It’s been quite tough.”

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6:46pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Cupid-saint says...

So that means you will be signing a quality GK, CB and Carlos Vella then MoPo? (a boy can dream!)
So that means you will be signing a quality GK, CB and Carlos Vella then MoPo? (a boy can dream!) Cupid-saint

7:18pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Sadoldgitte says...

The recent matches have been no tougher than the start we had to the Premiership last season. If we are to progress changes need to be made in the squad.
The recent matches have been no tougher than the start we had to the Premiership last season. If we are to progress changes need to be made in the squad. Sadoldgitte

7:21pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Sadoldgitte wrote:
The recent matches have been no tougher than the start we had to the Premiership last season. If we are to progress changes need to be made in the squad.
True.
[quote][p][bold]Sadoldgitte[/bold] wrote: The recent matches have been no tougher than the start we had to the Premiership last season. If we are to progress changes need to be made in the squad.[/p][/quote]True. Positively4thStreet

7:22pm Wed 1 Jan 14

nottinghamsaint 1 says...

A new manager might
A new manager might nottinghamsaint 1

7:26pm Wed 1 Jan 14

alanrr says...

chelsea the only team where we have deserved nothing from the game...they were better than us...on both occasions
chelsea the only team where we have deserved nothing from the game...they were better than us...on both occasions alanrr

7:52pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

nottinghamsaint 1 wrote:
A new manager might
A new manager might what?
[quote][p][bold]nottinghamsaint 1[/bold] wrote: A new manager might[/p][/quote]A new manager might what? Strasbourg Saint

7:58pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Sadoldgitte says...

alanrr wrote:
chelsea the only team where we have deserved nothing from the game...they were better than us...on both occasions
Irrespetive of that, we have dropped an awful lot of points recently and have gone back to the awful defending of last season in several games. Lambert is one of our best players so why start him on the bench when he could be out there causing problems? We need to continue to play to our strengths and I wouldnt say that Ramirez is one of those. Progress? I think there is still a lot to do before we can say we have moved on from last season.
[quote][p][bold]alanrr[/bold] wrote: chelsea the only team where we have deserved nothing from the game...they were better than us...on both occasions[/p][/quote]Irrespetive of that, we have dropped an awful lot of points recently and have gone back to the awful defending of last season in several games. Lambert is one of our best players so why start him on the bench when he could be out there causing problems? We need to continue to play to our strengths and I wouldnt say that Ramirez is one of those. Progress? I think there is still a lot to do before we can say we have moved on from last season. Sadoldgitte

8:14pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Confucious says...

Saints will finish mid-ish table and I'm happy with that. We're still in ninth and four points clear of tenth.

Now that tough run of fixtures is done, we'll start accumulating points again.

Some of the moaners on here just sound like spoiled kids.
Saints will finish mid-ish table and I'm happy with that. We're still in ninth and four points clear of tenth. Now that tough run of fixtures is done, we'll start accumulating points again. Some of the moaners on here just sound like spoiled kids. Confucious

8:15pm Wed 1 Jan 14

andygoater1957 says...

Sadoldgitte wrote:
alanrr wrote:
chelsea the only team where we have deserved nothing from the game...they were better than us...on both occasions
Irrespetive of that, we have dropped an awful lot of points recently and have gone back to the awful defending of last season in several games. Lambert is one of our best players so why start him on the bench when he could be out there causing problems? We need to continue to play to our strengths and I wouldnt say that Ramirez is one of those. Progress? I think there is still a lot to do before we can say we have moved on from last season.
Lambert a great player for use.But would not of got anywhere, as he is to slow and Chelsea where to good for use today.
[quote][p][bold]Sadoldgitte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alanrr[/bold] wrote: chelsea the only team where we have deserved nothing from the game...they were better than us...on both occasions[/p][/quote]Irrespetive of that, we have dropped an awful lot of points recently and have gone back to the awful defending of last season in several games. Lambert is one of our best players so why start him on the bench when he could be out there causing problems? We need to continue to play to our strengths and I wouldnt say that Ramirez is one of those. Progress? I think there is still a lot to do before we can say we have moved on from last season.[/p][/quote]Lambert a great player for use.But would not of got anywhere, as he is to slow and Chelsea where to good for use today. andygoater1957

8:15pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Buddy SFC says...

Sadoldgitte wrote:
alanrr wrote:
chelsea the only team where we have deserved nothing from the game...they were better than us...on both occasions
Irrespetive of that, we have dropped an awful lot of points recently and have gone back to the awful defending of last season in several games. Lambert is one of our best players so why start him on the bench when he could be out there causing problems? We need to continue to play to our strengths and I wouldnt say that Ramirez is one of those. Progress? I think there is still a lot to do before we can say we have moved on from last season.
9th - 27 points ! Get a grip people, the league, well the top 8 is much stronger this season, remember where we have come from and where we are now !

Easily forgotten !

We have watched some great football this season and we will again , 9th place finish would be a top 2nd season in the Prem ...................
[quote][p][bold]Sadoldgitte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alanrr[/bold] wrote: chelsea the only team where we have deserved nothing from the game...they were better than us...on both occasions[/p][/quote]Irrespetive of that, we have dropped an awful lot of points recently and have gone back to the awful defending of last season in several games. Lambert is one of our best players so why start him on the bench when he could be out there causing problems? We need to continue to play to our strengths and I wouldnt say that Ramirez is one of those. Progress? I think there is still a lot to do before we can say we have moved on from last season.[/p][/quote]9th - 27 points ! Get a grip people, the league, well the top 8 is much stronger this season, remember where we have come from and where we are now ! Easily forgotten ! We have watched some great football this season and we will again , 9th place finish would be a top 2nd season in the Prem ................... Buddy SFC

8:20pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Baddesley Bill says...

Ok...so we were outclassed today by one of the best displays from one of the genuine contenders for the title . We move on and dust ourselves down....the next couple of months will define our season as we play teams we would expect to beat.

Question....do we play a 1st team for the cup match on Saturday, or give them rest?
Ok...so we were outclassed today by one of the best displays from one of the genuine contenders for the title . We move on and dust ourselves down....the next couple of months will define our season as we play teams we would expect to beat. Question....do we play a 1st team for the cup match on Saturday, or give them rest? Baddesley Bill

8:34pm Wed 1 Jan 14

JohnItaly says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Ok...so we were outclassed today by one of the best displays from one of the genuine contenders for the title . We move on and dust ourselves down....the next couple of months will define our season as we play teams we would expect to beat.

Question....do we play a 1st team for the cup match on Saturday, or give them rest?
The question to ask oneself is the effect on confidence throughout the club if Burnley beat Saints! It must already be at low ebb. I think MoPo has a difficult decision to make.
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Ok...so we were outclassed today by one of the best displays from one of the genuine contenders for the title . We move on and dust ourselves down....the next couple of months will define our season as we play teams we would expect to beat. Question....do we play a 1st team for the cup match on Saturday, or give them rest?[/p][/quote]The question to ask oneself is the effect on confidence throughout the club if Burnley beat Saints! It must already be at low ebb. I think MoPo has a difficult decision to make. JohnItaly

8:36pm Wed 1 Jan 14

AndyT in Salt Lake City, USA says...

A very disappointing run of late, but if someone told me at the start of the season we would be 9th on Jan 1st I would have been very happy.
I love the way we play, and am lucky enough to see every game live here. We are very exciting to watch, and I would take our style of play and the consequences that sometimes come with it every time over many of the teams in the Premier League. We have fast become the neutrals favourite.
Not qualifying for Europe this year might just be a blessing in disguise. I do believe we are going to go on a decent run now though, and would fully expect it when looking at the fixture list.
Once Wanyama (though I believe Cork has been one of our best players lately) and Boruc return we'll be back to winning ways.
I would love to see Astori come in, maybe Shay Given, a quality creative midfielder that can link up with the front 3 (instead of the reliable Steve Davis) and a decent left back as cover for Luke, and we will step up to the next level.
Very proud to be a lifelong Saint - what a great year 2013 was. The future is incredibly bright with NC and MP running things. Can't wait to see what 2014 brings.
A very disappointing run of late, but if someone told me at the start of the season we would be 9th on Jan 1st I would have been very happy. I love the way we play, and am lucky enough to see every game live here. We are very exciting to watch, and I would take our style of play and the consequences that sometimes come with it every time over many of the teams in the Premier League. We have fast become the neutrals favourite. Not qualifying for Europe this year might just be a blessing in disguise. I do believe we are going to go on a decent run now though, and would fully expect it when looking at the fixture list. Once Wanyama (though I believe Cork has been one of our best players lately) and Boruc return we'll be back to winning ways. I would love to see Astori come in, maybe Shay Given, a quality creative midfielder that can link up with the front 3 (instead of the reliable Steve Davis) and a decent left back as cover for Luke, and we will step up to the next level. Very proud to be a lifelong Saint - what a great year 2013 was. The future is incredibly bright with NC and MP running things. Can't wait to see what 2014 brings. AndyT in Salt Lake City, USA

9:23pm Wed 1 Jan 14

peregrine73 says...

I think the last few games have bought the club down to reality ,that is e are good for mid table,but many clubs have worked out mp tactics and its not going to be easy from now on.
I think the last few games have bought the club down to reality ,that is e are good for mid table,but many clubs have worked out mp tactics and its not going to be easy from now on. peregrine73

10:20pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Costa Baz says...

I actually believe we have been lucky, in a perverse kind of way, to have had all the injuries during our most difficult run of games. Had we had as many injuries, at the start of the season, we may not have had so many points on the boards, going into the recent run of games.
Not many pundits expected us to get much from the recent games, yet with weakened teams only Chelsea have looked a class above us.
So with that in mind, the team should be feeling even more confident, rather than less confident, in the knowledge that they aren't that far away from being very good.
I actually believe we have been lucky, in a perverse kind of way, to have had all the injuries during our most difficult run of games. Had we had as many injuries, at the start of the season, we may not have had so many points on the boards, going into the recent run of games. Not many pundits expected us to get much from the recent games, yet with weakened teams only Chelsea have looked a class above us. So with that in mind, the team should be feeling even more confident, rather than less confident, in the knowledge that they aren't that far away from being very good. Costa Baz

10:31pm Wed 1 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

So the next team we play in the Premier is another with management problems, why are we getting lumbered with all of this grief?
So the next team we play in the Premier is another with management problems, why are we getting lumbered with all of this grief? OSPREYSAINT

11:09pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Santa Retfordia says...

I think fans can be too short-termist about things like this. MoPo's aim is to bring a talented but very young side to bloom and that's going to be a job that will be measured over years not by one run of tough games. I won't be disappointed if we don't buy in January because we've still got enough about us to finish in the top 8. If we can do that and then strengthen again in the summer then I see yet another season of improvement. We'll be alright.
I think fans can be too short-termist about things like this. MoPo's aim is to bring a talented but very young side to bloom and that's going to be a job that will be measured over years not by one run of tough games. I won't be disappointed if we don't buy in January because we've still got enough about us to finish in the top 8. If we can do that and then strengthen again in the summer then I see yet another season of improvement. We'll be alright. Santa Retfordia

11:30pm Wed 1 Jan 14

ghk230473 says...

January transfer window will show our ambitions. IMO we don't need any attacking players but the defence and possibly gk needs improving for definate. I do question mopo over his treatment of cork and Ramirez. They may not have deserved to be in starting 11 but are of more play time over this season. In past games and especially today's we have tired too quickly and been picked off too easily, I think caused by poor squad rotation. One positive today was fox wasn't thought of and hopefully the pennies dropped that he just ain't good enough.
January transfer window will show our ambitions. IMO we don't need any attacking players but the defence and possibly gk needs improving for definate. I do question mopo over his treatment of cork and Ramirez. They may not have deserved to be in starting 11 but are of more play time over this season. In past games and especially today's we have tired too quickly and been picked off too easily, I think caused by poor squad rotation. One positive today was fox wasn't thought of and hopefully the pennies dropped that he just ain't good enough. ghk230473

11:42pm Wed 1 Jan 14

el caballo santos101 says...

chelski today brought on £84.4 million worth of talent to change the game. its that simple. I know some out there expect us to win every game we play but we just cant compete against teams who can do that. It doesn't matter who we bring in, if any, in the window we wont be able to compete with that sort of spending power. we have spent big for us but you would have to add our 2 top signings jus to match the lowest chelsk isub today.
I know people will say we spent £35mill in the summer but spuds spent £100mill and they aren't even in the champions league places yet.
mid table for now is good, and its going to get better, but it will take a year or 2 of big spending to get us near the top.
I think we can all see that we need at least 2 new faces this window, maybe astori, but we wont panic by because any possible targets will have been watched for a while, in the same way dejan was. perhaps we could loan mata from chelski as jose doesn't seem to like him and mata is getting frustrated.
chelski today brought on £84.4 million worth of talent to change the game. its that simple. I know some out there expect us to win every game we play but we just cant compete against teams who can do that. It doesn't matter who we bring in, if any, in the window we wont be able to compete with that sort of spending power. we have spent big for us but you would have to add our 2 top signings jus to match the lowest chelsk isub today. I know people will say we spent £35mill in the summer but spuds spent £100mill and they aren't even in the champions league places yet. mid table for now is good, and its going to get better, but it will take a year or 2 of big spending to get us near the top. I think we can all see that we need at least 2 new faces this window, maybe astori, but we wont panic by because any possible targets will have been watched for a while, in the same way dejan was. perhaps we could loan mata from chelski as jose doesn't seem to like him and mata is getting frustrated. el caballo santos101

12:08am Thu 2 Jan 14

DisplacedFan says...

It takes years to build a very strong team and we are still on track to do this. We might buy in the window, but only if the price and personnel is right. I have said it over and over this year, we are an excellent midtable team and will finish at least midtable if not higher. We don't have the personnel to dabble in the FA Cup at the expense of beating West Brom. Teams like Chelsea have the manpower to focus on many goals. Ours is and remains to have a good midtable season.
It takes years to build a very strong team and we are still on track to do this. We might buy in the window, but only if the price and personnel is right. I have said it over and over this year, we are an excellent midtable team and will finish at least midtable if not higher. We don't have the personnel to dabble in the FA Cup at the expense of beating West Brom. Teams like Chelsea have the manpower to focus on many goals. Ours is and remains to have a good midtable season. DisplacedFan

12:12am Thu 2 Jan 14

angus mc coatup says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
chelski today brought on £84.4 million worth of talent to change the game. its that simple. I know some out there expect us to win every game we play but we just cant compete against teams who can do that. It doesn't matter who we bring in, if any, in the window we wont be able to compete with that sort of spending power. we have spent big for us but you would have to add our 2 top signings jus to match the lowest chelsk isub today.
I know people will say we spent £35mill in the summer but spuds spent £100mill and they aren't even in the champions league places yet.
mid table for now is good, and its going to get better, but it will take a year or 2 of big spending to get us near the top.
I think we can all see that we need at least 2 new faces this window, maybe astori, but we wont panic by because any possible targets will have been watched for a while, in the same way dejan was. perhaps we could loan mata from chelski as jose doesn't seem to like him and mata is getting frustrated.
Chelski's gross spend on transfers since Abramovich took over is over
£ 700 million.....puts our spending into perspective I think..
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: chelski today brought on £84.4 million worth of talent to change the game. its that simple. I know some out there expect us to win every game we play but we just cant compete against teams who can do that. It doesn't matter who we bring in, if any, in the window we wont be able to compete with that sort of spending power. we have spent big for us but you would have to add our 2 top signings jus to match the lowest chelsk isub today. I know people will say we spent £35mill in the summer but spuds spent £100mill and they aren't even in the champions league places yet. mid table for now is good, and its going to get better, but it will take a year or 2 of big spending to get us near the top. I think we can all see that we need at least 2 new faces this window, maybe astori, but we wont panic by because any possible targets will have been watched for a while, in the same way dejan was. perhaps we could loan mata from chelski as jose doesn't seem to like him and mata is getting frustrated.[/p][/quote]Chelski's gross spend on transfers since Abramovich took over is over £ 700 million.....puts our spending into perspective I think.. angus mc coatup

12:41am Thu 2 Jan 14

swesaint says...

peregrine73 wrote:
I think the last few games have bought the club down to reality ,that is e are good for mid table,but many clubs have worked out mp tactics and its not going to be easy from now on.
Makes no sense, With that logic other teams had all summer to figure us out and we should have been losing since August.
[quote][p][bold]peregrine73[/bold] wrote: I think the last few games have bought the club down to reality ,that is e are good for mid table,but many clubs have worked out mp tactics and its not going to be easy from now on.[/p][/quote]Makes no sense, With that logic other teams had all summer to figure us out and we should have been losing since August. swesaint

12:46am Thu 2 Jan 14

SaintinCanada says...

Upper mid -table? 'l take that!
Upper mid -table? 'l take that! SaintinCanada

12:58am Thu 2 Jan 14

andoru says...

My natural inclination is to look back at our poor run of results and lack of points, but my new year's resolution is to be more positive where Saints are concerned. The fixture list looks a lot kinder for Jan and Feb. We should pick up plenty of points in the coming weeks then. We have to. COYS!
My natural inclination is to look back at our poor run of results and lack of points, but my new year's resolution is to be more positive where Saints are concerned. The fixture list looks a lot kinder for Jan and Feb. We should pick up plenty of points in the coming weeks then. We have to. COYS! andoru

1:54am Thu 2 Jan 14

redsnapper says...

Full team for the FA Cup please

Life blood of a team is winning things, look what the JPT did for us.

We will end up mid Prem but this team can go all the way in the Cup with a good run.

The lads deserve the chance..all of them.
Full team for the FA Cup please Life blood of a team is winning things, look what the JPT did for us. We will end up mid Prem but this team can go all the way in the Cup with a good run. The lads deserve the chance..all of them. redsnapper

4:09am Thu 2 Jan 14

SiamSaint says...

Sadoldgitte wrote:
The recent matches have been no tougher than the start we had to the Premiership last season. If we are to progress changes need to be made in the squad.
What changes?
[quote][p][bold]Sadoldgitte[/bold] wrote: The recent matches have been no tougher than the start we had to the Premiership last season. If we are to progress changes need to be made in the squad.[/p][/quote]What changes? SiamSaint

4:12am Thu 2 Jan 14

SiamSaint says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
So the next team we play in the Premier is another with management problems, why are we getting lumbered with all of this grief?
The kind of grief we got at Cardiff you mean? I'll take that world of pain!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: So the next team we play in the Premier is another with management problems, why are we getting lumbered with all of this grief?[/p][/quote]The kind of grief we got at Cardiff you mean? I'll take that world of pain! SiamSaint

4:39am Thu 2 Jan 14

petethephantom says...

Confucious wrote:
Saints will finish mid-ish table and I'm happy with that. We're still in ninth and four points clear of tenth.

Now that tough run of fixtures is done, we'll start accumulating points again.

Some of the moaners on here just sound like spoiled kids.
I remember posts pre season of the predictions where we will finish
I said I'd take 12th or 13th, so to be 9th at xmas / new year makes me feel very good,

I'd take that any day, remember 4 seasons ago we were league 1, lets not get ahead of ourselves.

PS..... ausssies for ashes 5-0 ( very hot and humid here in sydney today, around 36 deg and 80 % humidity.... unpleasant to be outside)
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Saints will finish mid-ish table and I'm happy with that. We're still in ninth and four points clear of tenth. Now that tough run of fixtures is done, we'll start accumulating points again. Some of the moaners on here just sound like spoiled kids.[/p][/quote]I remember posts pre season of the predictions where we will finish I said I'd take 12th or 13th, so to be 9th at xmas / new year makes me feel very good, I'd take that any day, remember 4 seasons ago we were league 1, lets not get ahead of ourselves. PS..... ausssies for ashes 5-0 ( very hot and humid here in sydney today, around 36 deg and 80 % humidity.... unpleasant to be outside) petethephantom

5:22am Thu 2 Jan 14

andoru says...

My goal for Saints this season now is to finish at least 9th, but closer to 8th than 10th. In other words, if the gap in points is closer to 10th I will consider that we finished in the upper-bottom part of the table. If we are closer in points total to 8th, I will consider that we finished mid-table. If the league were to end today therefore, I'd be a little disappointed as we sit six points behind Newcastle, four above Hull. I want us to be fighting to stay in touch with quality, not to keep away all the also-rans near the bottom. Does that sound silly?
My goal for Saints this season now is to finish at least 9th, but closer to 8th than 10th. In other words, if the gap in points is closer to 10th I will consider that we finished in the upper-bottom part of the table. If we are closer in points total to 8th, I will consider that we finished mid-table. If the league were to end today therefore, I'd be a little disappointed as we sit six points behind Newcastle, four above Hull. I want us to be fighting to stay in touch with quality, not to keep away all the also-rans near the bottom. Does that sound silly? andoru

5:28am Thu 2 Jan 14

andoru says...

andoru wrote:
My goal for Saints this season now is to finish at least 9th, but closer to 8th than 10th. In other words, if the gap in points is closer to 10th I will consider that we finished in the upper-bottom part of the table. If we are closer in points total to 8th, I will consider that we finished mid-table. If the league were to end today therefore, I'd be a little disappointed as we sit six points behind Newcastle, four above Hull. I want us to be fighting to stay in touch with quality, not to keep away all the also-rans near the bottom. Does that sound silly?
Follow on from that: Would you rather Saints be the worst of the good teams or the best of the rest?

i.e. We finish 9th but way off the pace of top 8 (maybe 6 point gap), or finish 10th but closer in points total to the top 8 (1 or 2 point gap).
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: My goal for Saints this season now is to finish at least 9th, but closer to 8th than 10th. In other words, if the gap in points is closer to 10th I will consider that we finished in the upper-bottom part of the table. If we are closer in points total to 8th, I will consider that we finished mid-table. If the league were to end today therefore, I'd be a little disappointed as we sit six points behind Newcastle, four above Hull. I want us to be fighting to stay in touch with quality, not to keep away all the also-rans near the bottom. Does that sound silly?[/p][/quote]Follow on from that: Would you rather Saints be the worst of the good teams or the best of the rest? i.e. We finish 9th but way off the pace of top 8 (maybe 6 point gap), or finish 10th but closer in points total to the top 8 (1 or 2 point gap). andoru

5:50am Thu 2 Jan 14

andoru says...

andoru wrote:
andoru wrote:
My goal for Saints this season now is to finish at least 9th, but closer to 8th than 10th. In other words, if the gap in points is closer to 10th I will consider that we finished in the upper-bottom part of the table. If we are closer in points total to 8th, I will consider that we finished mid-table. If the league were to end today therefore, I'd be a little disappointed as we sit six points behind Newcastle, four above Hull. I want us to be fighting to stay in touch with quality, not to keep away all the also-rans near the bottom. Does that sound silly?
Follow on from that: Would you rather Saints be the worst of the good teams or the best of the rest?

i.e. We finish 9th but way off the pace of top 8 (maybe 6 point gap), or finish 10th but closer in points total to the top 8 (1 or 2 point gap).
Two examples to illustrate:

Last season, West Brom finished 8th but 12 points behind 7th. They were the best of the rest. Higher league position but bigger gap between them and the top teams.

Two seasons ago, Fulham finished 9th but level on points with 8th and only 4 points behind 7th. They were 5 points above 10th. Lower league position but smaller gap between them and the top teams.
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: My goal for Saints this season now is to finish at least 9th, but closer to 8th than 10th. In other words, if the gap in points is closer to 10th I will consider that we finished in the upper-bottom part of the table. If we are closer in points total to 8th, I will consider that we finished mid-table. If the league were to end today therefore, I'd be a little disappointed as we sit six points behind Newcastle, four above Hull. I want us to be fighting to stay in touch with quality, not to keep away all the also-rans near the bottom. Does that sound silly?[/p][/quote]Follow on from that: Would you rather Saints be the worst of the good teams or the best of the rest? i.e. We finish 9th but way off the pace of top 8 (maybe 6 point gap), or finish 10th but closer in points total to the top 8 (1 or 2 point gap).[/p][/quote]Two examples to illustrate: Last season, West Brom finished 8th but 12 points behind 7th. They were the best of the rest. Higher league position but bigger gap between them and the top teams. Two seasons ago, Fulham finished 9th but level on points with 8th and only 4 points behind 7th. They were 5 points above 10th. Lower league position but smaller gap between them and the top teams. andoru

8:25am Thu 2 Jan 14

george chivers says...

JohnItaly wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Ok...so we were outclassed today by one of the best displays from one of the genuine contenders for the title . We move on and dust ourselves down....the next couple of months will define our season as we play teams we would expect to beat.

Question....do we play a 1st team for the cup match on Saturday, or give them rest?
The question to ask oneself is the effect on confidence throughout the club if Burnley beat Saints! It must already be at low ebb. I think MoPo has a difficult decision to make.
I always believe if we are in a relegation battle, or a top of the table battle, cups should be ignored. But when we are in a mid-table situation we should field our best team for the cup. It gives our first team players a chance to build confidence and playing Burnley is similar to playing a middle of the table team in the Prem. So, go for it! And it lifts the fans, brings back old memories, and forgotten tradition. Think about winning not losing. A no-brainer for me in our current situation.

Unfortunately I don't think NC and MP will think like that. We will see.
[quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Ok...so we were outclassed today by one of the best displays from one of the genuine contenders for the title . We move on and dust ourselves down....the next couple of months will define our season as we play teams we would expect to beat. Question....do we play a 1st team for the cup match on Saturday, or give them rest?[/p][/quote]The question to ask oneself is the effect on confidence throughout the club if Burnley beat Saints! It must already be at low ebb. I think MoPo has a difficult decision to make.[/p][/quote]I always believe if we are in a relegation battle, or a top of the table battle, cups should be ignored. But when we are in a mid-table situation we should field our best team for the cup. It gives our first team players a chance to build confidence and playing Burnley is similar to playing a middle of the table team in the Prem. So, go for it! And it lifts the fans, brings back old memories, and forgotten tradition. Think about winning not losing. A no-brainer for me in our current situation. Unfortunately I don't think NC and MP will think like that. We will see. george chivers

8:31am Thu 2 Jan 14

jerseysaint says...

i really think we have really missed Wanyama even though Cork has been excellent.
I dont think people really saw how good he was until he was injured.
I think we are missing something in the final third as we keep getting into the box but not finishing we could perhaps do with a goal poacher i think Jermaine Defoe would be a good player to get on the cheap.
i really think we have really missed Wanyama even though Cork has been excellent. I dont think people really saw how good he was until he was injured. I think we are missing something in the final third as we keep getting into the box but not finishing we could perhaps do with a goal poacher i think Jermaine Defoe would be a good player to get on the cheap. jerseysaint

9:07am Thu 2 Jan 14

aldermoorboy says...

Excellent, game, manager,players, are future is bright, maybe another FA cup?
Excellent, game, manager,players, are future is bright, maybe another FA cup? aldermoorboy

9:23am Thu 2 Jan 14

hedge end bob says...

Confucious wrote:
Saints will finish mid-ish table and I'm happy with that. We're still in ninth and four points clear of tenth.

Now that tough run of fixtures is done, we'll start accumulating points again.

Some of the moaners on here just sound like spoiled kids.
Agree with what you say Confuclous, think we will finish 8th but last nght showed us just how far we have too go before we start thinking about higher grades of football!. Champions league is two or three seasons on. Not a moan my own feelings. I am more than pleased the way the season has gone so far, and i think poochy know excactly what is needed to move us forward.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Saints will finish mid-ish table and I'm happy with that. We're still in ninth and four points clear of tenth. Now that tough run of fixtures is done, we'll start accumulating points again. Some of the moaners on here just sound like spoiled kids.[/p][/quote]Agree with what you say Confuclous, think we will finish 8th but last nght showed us just how far we have too go before we start thinking about higher grades of football!. Champions league is two or three seasons on. Not a moan my own feelings. I am more than pleased the way the season has gone so far, and i think poochy know excactly what is needed to move us forward. hedge end bob

9:49am Thu 2 Jan 14

hedge end bob says...

peregrine73 wrote:
I think the last few games have bought the club down to reality ,that is e are good for mid table,but many clubs have worked out mp tactics and its not going to be easy from now on.
They may have worked out our tactics but, if exacuted properly very very hard to stop. Wait until we have our full squad back before we say this is not working.
[quote][p][bold]peregrine73[/bold] wrote: I think the last few games have bought the club down to reality ,that is e are good for mid table,but many clubs have worked out mp tactics and its not going to be easy from now on.[/p][/quote]They may have worked out our tactics but, if exacuted properly very very hard to stop. Wait until we have our full squad back before we say this is not working. hedge end bob

9:55am Thu 2 Jan 14

Rising_Son says...

george chivers wrote:
JohnItaly wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Ok...so we were outclassed today by one of the best displays from one of the genuine contenders for the title . We move on and dust ourselves down....the next couple of months will define our season as we play teams we would expect to beat.

Question....do we play a 1st team for the cup match on Saturday, or give them rest?
The question to ask oneself is the effect on confidence throughout the club if Burnley beat Saints! It must already be at low ebb. I think MoPo has a difficult decision to make.
I always believe if we are in a relegation battle, or a top of the table battle, cups should be ignored. But when we are in a mid-table situation we should field our best team for the cup. It gives our first team players a chance to build confidence and playing Burnley is similar to playing a middle of the table team in the Prem. So, go for it! And it lifts the fans, brings back old memories, and forgotten tradition. Think about winning not losing. A no-brainer for me in our current situation.

Unfortunately I don't think NC and MP will think like that. We will see.
The team have had a pretty busy xmas/ne year and I thought most them looked pretty knackered at the end of the Chelsea match. I'm not sure playing against Burnley would be the best thing for their health.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Ok...so we were outclassed today by one of the best displays from one of the genuine contenders for the title . We move on and dust ourselves down....the next couple of months will define our season as we play teams we would expect to beat. Question....do we play a 1st team for the cup match on Saturday, or give them rest?[/p][/quote]The question to ask oneself is the effect on confidence throughout the club if Burnley beat Saints! It must already be at low ebb. I think MoPo has a difficult decision to make.[/p][/quote]I always believe if we are in a relegation battle, or a top of the table battle, cups should be ignored. But when we are in a mid-table situation we should field our best team for the cup. It gives our first team players a chance to build confidence and playing Burnley is similar to playing a middle of the table team in the Prem. So, go for it! And it lifts the fans, brings back old memories, and forgotten tradition. Think about winning not losing. A no-brainer for me in our current situation. Unfortunately I don't think NC and MP will think like that. We will see.[/p][/quote]The team have had a pretty busy xmas/ne year and I thought most them looked pretty knackered at the end of the Chelsea match. I'm not sure playing against Burnley would be the best thing for their health. Rising_Son

11:27am Thu 2 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

SiamSaint wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
So the next team we play in the Premier is another with management problems, why are we getting lumbered with all of this grief?
The kind of grief we got at Cardiff you mean? I'll take that world of pain!
Yes, it cuts both ways, it helped Spurs, hindered Cardiff, let's see what West Brom will bring. I am not looking for panic buying, would just like a couple of quality additions to freshen things up, but some deadwood will have to exit first.
[quote][p][bold]SiamSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: So the next team we play in the Premier is another with management problems, why are we getting lumbered with all of this grief?[/p][/quote]The kind of grief we got at Cardiff you mean? I'll take that world of pain![/p][/quote]Yes, it cuts both ways, it helped Spurs, hindered Cardiff, let's see what West Brom will bring. I am not looking for panic buying, would just like a couple of quality additions to freshen things up, but some deadwood will have to exit first. OSPREYSAINT

11:58am Thu 2 Jan 14

Costa Baz says...

With the back room boys monitoring performances, from the top European leagues, I'm hoping they have identified some decent players, that are operating just below the radar, that can be obtained for a fair price.
Players that can adapt and grow in stature and value, in the manner Lovren has.
My wish list would be headed by two attacking midfielders, that can beat a player, have an eye for a pass plus the ability to get beyond the striker and score a few goals.
Players with the desire and ability to try and emulate the likes of Hazard, Mata, Oscar etc who are way beyond our budget.
With the back room boys monitoring performances, from the top European leagues, I'm hoping they have identified some decent players, that are operating just below the radar, that can be obtained for a fair price. Players that can adapt and grow in stature and value, in the manner Lovren has. My wish list would be headed by two attacking midfielders, that can beat a player, have an eye for a pass plus the ability to get beyond the striker and score a few goals. Players with the desire and ability to try and emulate the likes of Hazard, Mata, Oscar etc who are way beyond our budget. Costa Baz

12:47pm Thu 2 Jan 14

SnapperSaint says...

Costa Baz wrote:
With the back room boys monitoring performances, from the top European leagues, I'm hoping they have identified some decent players, that are operating just below the radar, that can be obtained for a fair price.
Players that can adapt and grow in stature and value, in the manner Lovren has.
My wish list would be headed by two attacking midfielders, that can beat a player, have an eye for a pass plus the ability to get beyond the striker and score a few goals.
Players with the desire and ability to try and emulate the likes of Hazard, Mata, Oscar etc who are way beyond our budget.
Yeah let's get Mata himself then seems like Chelsea want to sell him, though I have no understanding why Mourinho doesn't like him or Lukaku for that matter.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: With the back room boys monitoring performances, from the top European leagues, I'm hoping they have identified some decent players, that are operating just below the radar, that can be obtained for a fair price. Players that can adapt and grow in stature and value, in the manner Lovren has. My wish list would be headed by two attacking midfielders, that can beat a player, have an eye for a pass plus the ability to get beyond the striker and score a few goals. Players with the desire and ability to try and emulate the likes of Hazard, Mata, Oscar etc who are way beyond our budget.[/p][/quote]Yeah let's get Mata himself then seems like Chelsea want to sell him, though I have no understanding why Mourinho doesn't like him or Lukaku for that matter. SnapperSaint

1:39pm Thu 2 Jan 14

SaintJD says...

jerseysaint wrote:
i really think we have really missed Wanyama even though Cork has been excellent.
I dont think people really saw how good he was until he was injured.
I think we are missing something in the final third as we keep getting into the box but not finishing we could perhaps do with a goal poacher i think Jermaine Defoe would be a good player to get on the cheap.
For me the recent run of results is nothing to panic about, but it does show us the lack of depth in our squad at the back.

Basically, all the 'one win in eight' talk fails to mention we've played Everton, Arsenal, Chelsea and Newcastle away and Man City, Spurs and Chelsea at home in that run. It's only really the Villa game that's been a massive disappointment, plus we could have done with a point against Spurs.

That said, the Spurs result said it all really: we had four of our first choice back four out that day and no club in the league would cope with that kind of problem.

Clearly Fox, Davis and Hoover aren't good enough cover and Gazza and Chambers need to be nursed through, although I think Gazza was a little harshly treated as he seemed to move on from his last spell in goal.

Can't believe people are still highlighting attack as our area to improve first - clearly we score enough goals if we can keep them out at the other end - we scored plenty enough when we were keeping clean sheets - it's the lack of clean sheets that have been costing us points of late.

A good transfer window for me would be cutting our losses on Ramirez and Osvaldo, possibly Maya, and bringing in a quality centre back to play first choice alongside Lovren, quality cover for Luke and, ideally, someone who will really be a viable competitor for keeping the No.1 jersey full time.
[quote][p][bold]jerseysaint[/bold] wrote: i really think we have really missed Wanyama even though Cork has been excellent. I dont think people really saw how good he was until he was injured. I think we are missing something in the final third as we keep getting into the box but not finishing we could perhaps do with a goal poacher i think Jermaine Defoe would be a good player to get on the cheap.[/p][/quote]For me the recent run of results is nothing to panic about, but it does show us the lack of depth in our squad at the back. Basically, all the 'one win in eight' talk fails to mention we've played Everton, Arsenal, Chelsea and Newcastle away and Man City, Spurs and Chelsea at home in that run. It's only really the Villa game that's been a massive disappointment, plus we could have done with a point against Spurs. That said, the Spurs result said it all really: we had four of our first choice back four out that day and no club in the league would cope with that kind of problem. Clearly Fox, Davis and Hoover aren't good enough cover and Gazza and Chambers need to be nursed through, although I think Gazza was a little harshly treated as he seemed to move on from his last spell in goal. Can't believe people are still highlighting attack as our area to improve first - clearly we score enough goals if we can keep them out at the other end - we scored plenty enough when we were keeping clean sheets - it's the lack of clean sheets that have been costing us points of late. A good transfer window for me would be cutting our losses on Ramirez and Osvaldo, possibly Maya, and bringing in a quality centre back to play first choice alongside Lovren, quality cover for Luke and, ideally, someone who will really be a viable competitor for keeping the No.1 jersey full time. SaintJD

1:49pm Thu 2 Jan 14

st1halo says...

andoru wrote:
andoru wrote:
andoru wrote:
My goal for Saints this season now is to finish at least 9th, but closer to 8th than 10th. In other words, if the gap in points is closer to 10th I will consider that we finished in the upper-bottom part of the table. If we are closer in points total to 8th, I will consider that we finished mid-table. If the league were to end today therefore, I'd be a little disappointed as we sit six points behind Newcastle, four above Hull. I want us to be fighting to stay in touch with quality, not to keep away all the also-rans near the bottom. Does that sound silly?
Follow on from that: Would you rather Saints be the worst of the good teams or the best of the rest?

i.e. We finish 9th but way off the pace of top 8 (maybe 6 point gap), or finish 10th but closer in points total to the top 8 (1 or 2 point gap).
Two examples to illustrate:

Last season, West Brom finished 8th but 12 points behind 7th. They were the best of the rest. Higher league position but bigger gap between them and the top teams.

Two seasons ago, Fulham finished 9th but level on points with 8th and only 4 points behind 7th. They were 5 points above 10th. Lower league position but smaller gap between them and the top teams.
Jeez! Talk about over complicating something simple!
The league doesn't lie. We are the 9th best team in the country at present.
(A little over 4 years ago we were 68th!)

Sterling work I'd say.

STID
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: My goal for Saints this season now is to finish at least 9th, but closer to 8th than 10th. In other words, if the gap in points is closer to 10th I will consider that we finished in the upper-bottom part of the table. If we are closer in points total to 8th, I will consider that we finished mid-table. If the league were to end today therefore, I'd be a little disappointed as we sit six points behind Newcastle, four above Hull. I want us to be fighting to stay in touch with quality, not to keep away all the also-rans near the bottom. Does that sound silly?[/p][/quote]Follow on from that: Would you rather Saints be the worst of the good teams or the best of the rest? i.e. We finish 9th but way off the pace of top 8 (maybe 6 point gap), or finish 10th but closer in points total to the top 8 (1 or 2 point gap).[/p][/quote]Two examples to illustrate: Last season, West Brom finished 8th but 12 points behind 7th. They were the best of the rest. Higher league position but bigger gap between them and the top teams. Two seasons ago, Fulham finished 9th but level on points with 8th and only 4 points behind 7th. They were 5 points above 10th. Lower league position but smaller gap between them and the top teams.[/p][/quote]Jeez! Talk about over complicating something simple! The league doesn't lie. We are the 9th best team in the country at present. (A little over 4 years ago we were 68th!) Sterling work I'd say. STID st1halo

1:53pm Thu 2 Jan 14

SaintJD says...

Costa Baz wrote:
With the back room boys monitoring performances, from the top European leagues, I'm hoping they have identified some decent players, that are operating just below the radar, that can be obtained for a fair price.
Players that can adapt and grow in stature and value, in the manner Lovren has.
My wish list would be headed by two attacking midfielders, that can beat a player, have an eye for a pass plus the ability to get beyond the striker and score a few goals.
Players with the desire and ability to try and emulate the likes of Hazard, Mata, Oscar etc who are way beyond our budget.
Surely we have to strengthen defence before we even look at the midfield and attack? Seems to me that, if you assume we want to keep Gaston and Osvaldo, we have a lot of choice in midfield and attack.

Plus we've only failed to score in one game since 1 December, but the problem is that we've started to leak silly goals since injuries and illness has robbed us of our first choice defenders and keeper.

Lovren, as you've said, is crying out for a quality partner at the back, and the lack of Boruc has been the biggest problem of all - his talking and general presence is priceless, so we need someone to come in and at least be able to argue that he's as good a keeper if not the new No.1.

And we desperately need cover at left back. So it's three defensive signings for me, although to be honest I doubt we'll bring in more than one or two low key signings if any.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: With the back room boys monitoring performances, from the top European leagues, I'm hoping they have identified some decent players, that are operating just below the radar, that can be obtained for a fair price. Players that can adapt and grow in stature and value, in the manner Lovren has. My wish list would be headed by two attacking midfielders, that can beat a player, have an eye for a pass plus the ability to get beyond the striker and score a few goals. Players with the desire and ability to try and emulate the likes of Hazard, Mata, Oscar etc who are way beyond our budget.[/p][/quote]Surely we have to strengthen defence before we even look at the midfield and attack? Seems to me that, if you assume we want to keep Gaston and Osvaldo, we have a lot of choice in midfield and attack. Plus we've only failed to score in one game since 1 December, but the problem is that we've started to leak silly goals since injuries and illness has robbed us of our first choice defenders and keeper. Lovren, as you've said, is crying out for a quality partner at the back, and the lack of Boruc has been the biggest problem of all - his talking and general presence is priceless, so we need someone to come in and at least be able to argue that he's as good a keeper if not the new No.1. And we desperately need cover at left back. So it's three defensive signings for me, although to be honest I doubt we'll bring in more than one or two low key signings if any. SaintJD

1:58pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Chriops says...

ghk230473 wrote:
January transfer window will show our ambitions. IMO we don't need any attacking players but the defence and possibly gk needs improving for definate. I do question mopo over his treatment of cork and Ramirez. They may not have deserved to be in starting 11 but are of more play time over this season. In past games and especially today's we have tired too quickly and been picked off too easily, I think caused by poor squad rotation. One positive today was fox wasn't thought of and hopefully the pennies dropped that he just ain't good enough.
Why?

Why does the January transfer window show the level of our ambition?
The best managers in the game tend not to sign players in January, and if they do, it tends to be for the following season - I believe that Sir Alex said as much...

Surely a statement of our ambition would be Cortese going on record stating what he envisaged for Saints, such as challenging for the Premier League title, Champions League football, and 80% of our team having come from our own academy...
... Oh, I forgot... He has already come out and said all this.

Cortese is about continuous, sustainable growth, not boom and bust!
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: January transfer window will show our ambitions. IMO we don't need any attacking players but the defence and possibly gk needs improving for definate. I do question mopo over his treatment of cork and Ramirez. They may not have deserved to be in starting 11 but are of more play time over this season. In past games and especially today's we have tired too quickly and been picked off too easily, I think caused by poor squad rotation. One positive today was fox wasn't thought of and hopefully the pennies dropped that he just ain't good enough.[/p][/quote]Why? Why does the January transfer window show the level of our ambition? The best managers in the game tend not to sign players in January, and if they do, it tends to be for the following season - I believe that Sir Alex said as much... Surely a statement of our ambition would be Cortese going on record stating what he envisaged for Saints, such as challenging for the Premier League title, Champions League football, and 80% of our team having come from our own academy... ... Oh, I forgot... He has already come out and said all this. Cortese is about continuous, sustainable growth, not boom and bust! Chriops

3:03pm Thu 2 Jan 14

SaintJD says...

In terms of strengthening central defence I still can't see why we don't give Cork at least a game at centre back. I honestly think he has what it takes to develop into a top class defender and he has all the attributes. We seem to be happy to slot the likes of JWP and Chambers into defensive roles when we are desperate and I'd see Cork as a better option than Hoover at the very least and Fonte longer term. As I say though, I think he has the potential to be a bit of a defensive colossus in future and, with all the other English talent at our disposal it seems a shame that he's not considered a starter - would be gutted if he had to move on for regular first team football.
In terms of strengthening central defence I still can't see why we don't give Cork at least a game at centre back. I honestly think he has what it takes to develop into a top class defender and he has all the attributes. We seem to be happy to slot the likes of JWP and Chambers into defensive roles when we are desperate and I'd see Cork as a better option than Hoover at the very least and Fonte longer term. As I say though, I think he has the potential to be a bit of a defensive colossus in future and, with all the other English talent at our disposal it seems a shame that he's not considered a starter - would be gutted if he had to move on for regular first team football. SaintJD

6:26pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Billy Boy has come back to Saints oh yes give him a go!
Billy Boy has come back to Saints oh yes give him a go! Fatty x Ford Worker

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