I thought Oscar dive would be game changer - Davis

Daily Echo: I thought Oscar dive would be game changer - Davis I thought Oscar dive would be game changer - Davis

KELVIN Davis thought it would be Saints’ day when Oscar was denied a penalty – and booked for diving.

Saints were still level yesterday when Oscar fell despite being in an excellent position to round Davis following Eden Hazard’s cute pass early in the second half.

Referee Martin Atkinson had no hesitation in booking the Brazilian, who had only been on the pitch for a few minutes following Jose Mourinho’s ultimately match-changing double substitution.

Davis said: “It’s probably a habit of his when he has opportunity to win a penalty. He probably looked too hard for it and the decision went against him.

“He didn’t need to do it. If he’d have gone round he’d probably have popped it in the net.

“I would never try and bring anybody down, I’ve seen players go round goalkeepers and stick it past the post many times.

“My philosophy has been to never bring anyone down and try and play the game honestly, so I was disappointed with it – but the referee saw it and made the right decision.

“It was good refereeing because I’ve seen them given and I could have been sent off on the back of it.

“After that I wondered if we might get something.”

It was not to be. Within five minutes, Oscar’s deflected cross came back off the far post and was headed in by Fernando Torres.

Willian, the other player introduced in the 53rd minute, when Juan Mata and Andre Schurrle were replaced, secured the points ten minutes later.

“The substitutions certainly helped them,” continued Davis. “The game changed in that period, they’re such a strong powerful side and they had a bit too much for us.

“When it went 3-0 you hope you don’t get a drubbing but we still showed some heart and spirit.”

Davis produced some excellent saves in his second Premier League appearance of the season, following his recall at Everton three days earlier.

He twice denied Ramires during an absorbing first half.

“It’s my job to make saves when called upon, I’m just disappointed to lose,” said the club captain.

“We weren’t over excited at half-time, but were in the game and had chances ourselves. We were unlucky not to score but it’s very difficult against teams like Chelsea.

“They’re very strong defensively, they get everyone behind the ball and they had three unbelievable blocks in the game that you might usually see in one season.

“We didn’t have much luck, with a deflected cross that couldn’t have gone any straighter to Torres for the first goal and the third was deflected as well.

“But we don’t rely on luck, we’ve worked very hard to get ourselves into this position and have had a tough Christmas against some great teams.

“And at this time of year the next game is not far away.

“It will soon be time for us to stand up and start again.”

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7:38am Thu 2 Jan 14

SaintinCanada says...

A red-card for CHEATING is the only answer. The guy was an IDIOT as he could have scored anyway.
A red-card for CHEATING is the only answer. The guy was an IDIOT as he could have scored anyway. SaintinCanada

8:06am Thu 2 Jan 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

We recently criticised refs but this was an immense decision and to be applauded.

If we want to stamp out cheating then sanctions against both the club and player need to be introduced where footage proves beyond all doubt that a deliberate attempt to cheat was made. A ban and fine for the player and a fine for the club would soon make a difference. If a club was found guilty say three times in a season then the loss of a point would make them stop it.
We recently criticised refs but this was an immense decision and to be applauded. If we want to stamp out cheating then sanctions against both the club and player need to be introduced where footage proves beyond all doubt that a deliberate attempt to cheat was made. A ban and fine for the player and a fine for the club would soon make a difference. If a club was found guilty say three times in a season then the loss of a point would make them stop it. Seedhouse the Unrepentant

8:12am Thu 2 Jan 14

BracknellSaint says...

SaintinCanada wrote:
A red-card for CHEATING is the only answer. The guy was an IDIOT as he could have scored anyway.
Agree. It was a disgusting attempt to get a fellow pro sent off, which is repugnant. Stupid thing is that he had an easy opportunity to score, and if he had, who knows what the final score would have been...
We started awfully, and looked like we'd be a couple down in the first 15 mins, but settled down and looked right in it until the hour. In the end, we were well beaten by the better side, and I think it is a good lesson in the gap we've still got to close if we truly want to be a top 5-6 side.
[quote][p][bold]SaintinCanada[/bold] wrote: A red-card for CHEATING is the only answer. The guy was an IDIOT as he could have scored anyway.[/p][/quote]Agree. It was a disgusting attempt to get a fellow pro sent off, which is repugnant. Stupid thing is that he had an easy opportunity to score, and if he had, who knows what the final score would have been... We started awfully, and looked like we'd be a couple down in the first 15 mins, but settled down and looked right in it until the hour. In the end, we were well beaten by the better side, and I think it is a good lesson in the gap we've still got to close if we truly want to be a top 5-6 side. BracknellSaint

8:31am Thu 2 Jan 14

SaintinCanada says...

BracknellSaint wrote:
SaintinCanada wrote:
A red-card for CHEATING is the only answer. The guy was an IDIOT as he could have scored anyway.
Agree. It was a disgusting attempt to get a fellow pro sent off, which is repugnant. Stupid thing is that he had an easy opportunity to score, and if he had, who knows what the final score would have been...
We started awfully, and looked like we'd be a couple down in the first 15 mins, but settled down and looked right in it until the hour. In the end, we were well beaten by the better side, and I think it is a good lesson in the gap we've still got to close if we truly want to be a top 5-6 side.
Yes - it was repugnant. A disgrace to the game.
[quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintinCanada[/bold] wrote: A red-card for CHEATING is the only answer. The guy was an IDIOT as he could have scored anyway.[/p][/quote]Agree. It was a disgusting attempt to get a fellow pro sent off, which is repugnant. Stupid thing is that he had an easy opportunity to score, and if he had, who knows what the final score would have been... We started awfully, and looked like we'd be a couple down in the first 15 mins, but settled down and looked right in it until the hour. In the end, we were well beaten by the better side, and I think it is a good lesson in the gap we've still got to close if we truly want to be a top 5-6 side.[/p][/quote]Yes - it was repugnant. A disgrace to the game. SaintinCanada

10:01am Thu 2 Jan 14

lovegrove65 says...

Should be a straight red.
As long as the diver can only get a yellow they will try it on as they have nothing to lose.The threat of a red may make them think again.
Great decision from the ref,but if faced with a red card either way i'm sure Kev would have been walking
Should be a straight red. As long as the diver can only get a yellow they will try it on as they have nothing to lose.The threat of a red may make them think again. Great decision from the ref,but if faced with a red card either way i'm sure Kev would have been walking lovegrove65

10:21am Thu 2 Jan 14

andygoater1957 says...

lovegrove65 wrote:
Should be a straight red.
As long as the diver can only get a yellow they will try it on as they have nothing to lose.The threat of a red may make them think again.
Great decision from the ref,but if faced with a red card either way i'm sure Kev would have been walking
Yes it must be red card in the pen area,as Kelvin would of been sent off for being last man in defence .So it must be the came.

Sorry for spelling
[quote][p][bold]lovegrove65[/bold] wrote: Should be a straight red. As long as the diver can only get a yellow they will try it on as they have nothing to lose.The threat of a red may make them think again. Great decision from the ref,but if faced with a red card either way i'm sure Kev would have been walking[/p][/quote]Yes it must be red card in the pen area,as Kelvin would of been sent off for being last man in defence .So it must be the came. Sorry for spelling andygoater1957

10:21am Thu 2 Jan 14

andygoater1957 says...

lovegrove65 wrote:
Should be a straight red.
As long as the diver can only get a yellow they will try it on as they have nothing to lose.The threat of a red may make them think again.
Great decision from the ref,but if faced with a red card either way i'm sure Kev would have been walking
Yes it must be red card in the pen area,as Kelvin would of been sent off for being last man in defence .So it must be the came.

Sorry for spelling
[quote][p][bold]lovegrove65[/bold] wrote: Should be a straight red. As long as the diver can only get a yellow they will try it on as they have nothing to lose.The threat of a red may make them think again. Great decision from the ref,but if faced with a red card either way i'm sure Kev would have been walking[/p][/quote]Yes it must be red card in the pen area,as Kelvin would of been sent off for being last man in defence .So it must be the came. Sorry for spelling andygoater1957

11:21am Thu 2 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Giving credit where it was due, the Referee had a very good game, the Kingsland lino wasn't up to his standard though, waved for the ball out of play a couple of times down the far end when it hadn't gone out, but maybe he saw yellow boots and thought it was the ball!
Giving credit where it was due, the Referee had a very good game, the Kingsland lino wasn't up to his standard though, waved for the ball out of play a couple of times down the far end when it hadn't gone out, but maybe he saw yellow boots and thought it was the ball! OSPREYSAINT

11:55am Thu 2 Jan 14

Saint. says...

The thing everyone sometimes misses at these points and yet possibly knows. Is at the moment Jose reaction on the touch line is one of his normal arrogant self, and that is hands up in the air saying it must be a pen!

Then when they won the game, how great did he look to make himself by saying it was not a pen and it was right to yellow card the player. We'll this simply is a lie to the camera and I sure to gain bigger things in refs minds up and down the country! Jose likes to cheat to always gain an advantage at any cost, and he surely will not be giving his player a dressing down!

As some has mentioned a red card should be applied.....we'll Jose would certainly react different to that. But one thing for sure, if Chelski had lost or even drawn then Jose would be bemoaning the penalty that never was! I know this is not going to stop in football by Jose and Wengers of the game! But media who interview these people should sometimes have the guts to flag these bear face and self archiving lies up and may be football would be better for it in many way. Jose acts like a God and did anyone hear how he put his friend in place against Liverpool in Brendan Rogers. Claimed as he young, and his comments are the ones for his age, but give him a few years and he'll see how it really was!
The thing everyone sometimes misses at these points and yet possibly knows. Is at the moment Jose reaction on the touch line is one of his normal arrogant self, and that is hands up in the air saying it must be a pen! Then when they won the game, how great did he look to make himself by saying it was not a pen and it was right to yellow card the player. We'll this simply is a lie to the camera and I sure to gain bigger things in refs minds up and down the country! Jose likes to cheat to always gain an advantage at any cost, and he surely will not be giving his player a dressing down! As some has mentioned a red card should be applied.....we'll Jose would certainly react different to that. But one thing for sure, if Chelski had lost or even drawn then Jose would be bemoaning the penalty that never was! I know this is not going to stop in football by Jose and Wengers of the game! But media who interview these people should sometimes have the guts to flag these bear face and self archiving lies up and may be football would be better for it in many way. Jose acts like a God and did anyone hear how he put his friend in place against Liverpool in Brendan Rogers. Claimed as he young, and his comments are the ones for his age, but give him a few years and he'll see how it really was! Saint.

12:39pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
We recently criticised refs but this was an immense decision and to be applauded.

If we want to stamp out cheating then sanctions against both the club and player need to be introduced where footage proves beyond all doubt that a deliberate attempt to cheat was made. A ban and fine for the player and a fine for the club would soon make a difference. If a club was found guilty say three times in a season then the loss of a point would make them stop it.
I've been saying much the same. In my mind, players should get an automatic one-match ban if video footage can prove that they deliberately cheated - ie diving, handball to assist or prevent a goal ... (of course, it's often not that easy to prove). Also, if their cheating results in a goal, then a second match ban should be added and extra match bans for each point the player's team gains from the match even if the team was going to win anyway. So, a dive, a resultant goal and 3 points would mean a five-match ban. Players know that if they lose their place in a team through suspeension or injury that regaining it isn't always straight forward. So, the threat of an unnecessary ban would help sort much of the cheating out.

BUT, well done Martin Atkinson. Someone mentioned pre-match that he's about the best ref available. I have to concur from the matches I can remember. I'm sure he makes mistakes and will annoy me in the future, but I am confident that he gives what he actually sees and isn't influenced into giving what he thinks will please the media and big clubs.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: We recently criticised refs but this was an immense decision and to be applauded. If we want to stamp out cheating then sanctions against both the club and player need to be introduced where footage proves beyond all doubt that a deliberate attempt to cheat was made. A ban and fine for the player and a fine for the club would soon make a difference. If a club was found guilty say three times in a season then the loss of a point would make them stop it.[/p][/quote]I've been saying much the same. In my mind, players should get an automatic one-match ban if video footage can prove that they deliberately cheated - ie diving, handball to assist or prevent a goal ... (of course, it's often not that easy to prove). Also, if their cheating results in a goal, then a second match ban should be added and extra match bans for each point the player's team gains from the match even if the team was going to win anyway. So, a dive, a resultant goal and 3 points would mean a five-match ban. Players know that if they lose their place in a team through suspeension or injury that regaining it isn't always straight forward. So, the threat of an unnecessary ban would help sort much of the cheating out. BUT, well done Martin Atkinson. Someone mentioned pre-match that he's about the best ref available. I have to concur from the matches I can remember. I'm sure he makes mistakes and will annoy me in the future, but I am confident that he gives what he actually sees and isn't influenced into giving what he thinks will please the media and big clubs. Strasbourg Saint

2:43pm Thu 2 Jan 14

st1halo says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
We recently criticised refs but this was an immense decision and to be applauded.

If we want to stamp out cheating then sanctions against both the club and player need to be introduced where footage proves beyond all doubt that a deliberate attempt to cheat was made. A ban and fine for the player and a fine for the club would soon make a difference. If a club was found guilty say three times in a season then the loss of a point would make them stop it.
I've been saying much the same. In my mind, players should get an automatic one-match ban if video footage can prove that they deliberately cheated - ie diving, handball to assist or prevent a goal ... (of course, it's often not that easy to prove). Also, if their cheating results in a goal, then a second match ban should be added and extra match bans for each point the player's team gains from the match even if the team was going to win anyway. So, a dive, a resultant goal and 3 points would mean a five-match ban. Players know that if they lose their place in a team through suspeension or injury that regaining it isn't always straight forward. So, the threat of an unnecessary ban would help sort much of the cheating out.

BUT, well done Martin Atkinson. Someone mentioned pre-match that he's about the best ref available. I have to concur from the matches I can remember. I'm sure he makes mistakes and will annoy me in the future, but I am confident that he gives what he actually sees and isn't influenced into giving what he thinks will please the media and big clubs.
I think it would be easy to over complicate here and whilst the decision yesterday was correct and commendable I cant help feeling that another ref like Twatenburg or Webb would have seen things differently. In effect what I'm saying is that if the decsion is wrong it would be doubly harsh.
My solution would be that a yellow card for simulation also carries a £25k (or maybe more) fine for the player. A right of appeal would check decisions but ultimately the player would be paying for the privelege of cheatiing.

STID
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: We recently criticised refs but this was an immense decision and to be applauded. If we want to stamp out cheating then sanctions against both the club and player need to be introduced where footage proves beyond all doubt that a deliberate attempt to cheat was made. A ban and fine for the player and a fine for the club would soon make a difference. If a club was found guilty say three times in a season then the loss of a point would make them stop it.[/p][/quote]I've been saying much the same. In my mind, players should get an automatic one-match ban if video footage can prove that they deliberately cheated - ie diving, handball to assist or prevent a goal ... (of course, it's often not that easy to prove). Also, if their cheating results in a goal, then a second match ban should be added and extra match bans for each point the player's team gains from the match even if the team was going to win anyway. So, a dive, a resultant goal and 3 points would mean a five-match ban. Players know that if they lose their place in a team through suspeension or injury that regaining it isn't always straight forward. So, the threat of an unnecessary ban would help sort much of the cheating out. BUT, well done Martin Atkinson. Someone mentioned pre-match that he's about the best ref available. I have to concur from the matches I can remember. I'm sure he makes mistakes and will annoy me in the future, but I am confident that he gives what he actually sees and isn't influenced into giving what he thinks will please the media and big clubs.[/p][/quote]I think it would be easy to over complicate here and whilst the decision yesterday was correct and commendable I cant help feeling that another ref like Twatenburg or Webb would have seen things differently. In effect what I'm saying is that if the decsion is wrong it would be doubly harsh. My solution would be that a yellow card for simulation also carries a £25k (or maybe more) fine for the player. A right of appeal would check decisions but ultimately the player would be paying for the privelege of cheatiing. STID st1halo

2:52pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Rising_Son says...

st1halo wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
We recently criticised refs but this was an immense decision and to be applauded.

If we want to stamp out cheating then sanctions against both the club and player need to be introduced where footage proves beyond all doubt that a deliberate attempt to cheat was made. A ban and fine for the player and a fine for the club would soon make a difference. If a club was found guilty say three times in a season then the loss of a point would make them stop it.
I've been saying much the same. In my mind, players should get an automatic one-match ban if video footage can prove that they deliberately cheated - ie diving, handball to assist or prevent a goal ... (of course, it's often not that easy to prove). Also, if their cheating results in a goal, then a second match ban should be added and extra match bans for each point the player's team gains from the match even if the team was going to win anyway. So, a dive, a resultant goal and 3 points would mean a five-match ban. Players know that if they lose their place in a team through suspeension or injury that regaining it isn't always straight forward. So, the threat of an unnecessary ban would help sort much of the cheating out.

BUT, well done Martin Atkinson. Someone mentioned pre-match that he's about the best ref available. I have to concur from the matches I can remember. I'm sure he makes mistakes and will annoy me in the future, but I am confident that he gives what he actually sees and isn't influenced into giving what he thinks will please the media and big clubs.
I think it would be easy to over complicate here and whilst the decision yesterday was correct and commendable I cant help feeling that another ref like Twatenburg or Webb would have seen things differently. In effect what I'm saying is that if the decsion is wrong it would be doubly harsh.
My solution would be that a yellow card for simulation also carries a £25k (or maybe more) fine for the player. A right of appeal would check decisions but ultimately the player would be paying for the privelege of cheatiing.

STID
I would say that it's more important to 'correct' the decisions given in favour of the diver. After a review, a player who has dived or conned the referee in another way, should be given a red card and fined. Their club should also be fined and, if the 'dive' was a game changer, e.g. led to a red card or a goal, all points gained should be awarded to the other team.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: We recently criticised refs but this was an immense decision and to be applauded. If we want to stamp out cheating then sanctions against both the club and player need to be introduced where footage proves beyond all doubt that a deliberate attempt to cheat was made. A ban and fine for the player and a fine for the club would soon make a difference. If a club was found guilty say three times in a season then the loss of a point would make them stop it.[/p][/quote]I've been saying much the same. In my mind, players should get an automatic one-match ban if video footage can prove that they deliberately cheated - ie diving, handball to assist or prevent a goal ... (of course, it's often not that easy to prove). Also, if their cheating results in a goal, then a second match ban should be added and extra match bans for each point the player's team gains from the match even if the team was going to win anyway. So, a dive, a resultant goal and 3 points would mean a five-match ban. Players know that if they lose their place in a team through suspeension or injury that regaining it isn't always straight forward. So, the threat of an unnecessary ban would help sort much of the cheating out. BUT, well done Martin Atkinson. Someone mentioned pre-match that he's about the best ref available. I have to concur from the matches I can remember. I'm sure he makes mistakes and will annoy me in the future, but I am confident that he gives what he actually sees and isn't influenced into giving what he thinks will please the media and big clubs.[/p][/quote]I think it would be easy to over complicate here and whilst the decision yesterday was correct and commendable I cant help feeling that another ref like Twatenburg or Webb would have seen things differently. In effect what I'm saying is that if the decsion is wrong it would be doubly harsh. My solution would be that a yellow card for simulation also carries a £25k (or maybe more) fine for the player. A right of appeal would check decisions but ultimately the player would be paying for the privelege of cheatiing. STID[/p][/quote]I would say that it's more important to 'correct' the decisions given in favour of the diver. After a review, a player who has dived or conned the referee in another way, should be given a red card and fined. Their club should also be fined and, if the 'dive' was a game changer, e.g. led to a red card or a goal, all points gained should be awarded to the other team. Rising_Son

5:05pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Costa Baz says...

Hopefully the dive will lead to refs looking a little bit closer at Chelsea players, falling over in the box.

Who'd have thought that Howard Webb, first name on all of Fergie's team sheets ;0), would have refused Man Utd a nailed on penalty, at Old Trafford, no less.
Maybe Ashley Young's prior for diving was held against him, on this occasion?

If not maybe Howard Webb, like the Man Utd players, has needed 6 months to get Fergie out of his system.
Hopefully the dive will lead to refs looking a little bit closer at Chelsea players, falling over in the box. Who'd have thought that Howard Webb, first name on all of Fergie's team sheets ;0), would have refused Man Utd a nailed on penalty, at Old Trafford, no less. Maybe Ashley Young's prior for diving was held against him, on this occasion? If not maybe Howard Webb, like the Man Utd players, has needed 6 months to get Fergie out of his system. Costa Baz

5:25pm Thu 2 Jan 14

st1halo says...

Rising_Son wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
We recently criticised refs but this was an immense decision and to be applauded.

If we want to stamp out cheating then sanctions against both the club and player need to be introduced where footage proves beyond all doubt that a deliberate attempt to cheat was made. A ban and fine for the player and a fine for the club would soon make a difference. If a club was found guilty say three times in a season then the loss of a point would make them stop it.
I've been saying much the same. In my mind, players should get an automatic one-match ban if video footage can prove that they deliberately cheated - ie diving, handball to assist or prevent a goal ... (of course, it's often not that easy to prove). Also, if their cheating results in a goal, then a second match ban should be added and extra match bans for each point the player's team gains from the match even if the team was going to win anyway. So, a dive, a resultant goal and 3 points would mean a five-match ban. Players know that if they lose their place in a team through suspeension or injury that regaining it isn't always straight forward. So, the threat of an unnecessary ban would help sort much of the cheating out.

BUT, well done Martin Atkinson. Someone mentioned pre-match that he's about the best ref available. I have to concur from the matches I can remember. I'm sure he makes mistakes and will annoy me in the future, but I am confident that he gives what he actually sees and isn't influenced into giving what he thinks will please the media and big clubs.
I think it would be easy to over complicate here and whilst the decision yesterday was correct and commendable I cant help feeling that another ref like Twatenburg or Webb would have seen things differently. In effect what I'm saying is that if the decsion is wrong it would be doubly harsh.
My solution would be that a yellow card for simulation also carries a £25k (or maybe more) fine for the player. A right of appeal would check decisions but ultimately the player would be paying for the privelege of cheatiing.

STID
I would say that it's more important to 'correct' the decisions given in favour of the diver. After a review, a player who has dived or conned the referee in another way, should be given a red card and fined. Their club should also be fined and, if the 'dive' was a game changer, e.g. led to a red card or a goal, all points gained should be awarded to the other team.
But by doing those things you are taking away the decsion process away from the ref which may lead to tv monitoring in total. You would also have to revoke many policies that already exist such as only making decisions unseen by the referee etc etc, What if there are 4 or 5 possible game changing events in a game? This is what I mean by over complicating.
By imposing a standard fine on players for receving a yellow for simulation, the decision still lies with the ref, and the laws of the game do not change but brings pressure to bear on the 'cheaters' in the game. Ashley Young would have been fined £75k already, not a habit he would wish to continue under those circumstances.

STID
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: We recently criticised refs but this was an immense decision and to be applauded. If we want to stamp out cheating then sanctions against both the club and player need to be introduced where footage proves beyond all doubt that a deliberate attempt to cheat was made. A ban and fine for the player and a fine for the club would soon make a difference. If a club was found guilty say three times in a season then the loss of a point would make them stop it.[/p][/quote]I've been saying much the same. In my mind, players should get an automatic one-match ban if video footage can prove that they deliberately cheated - ie diving, handball to assist or prevent a goal ... (of course, it's often not that easy to prove). Also, if their cheating results in a goal, then a second match ban should be added and extra match bans for each point the player's team gains from the match even if the team was going to win anyway. So, a dive, a resultant goal and 3 points would mean a five-match ban. Players know that if they lose their place in a team through suspeension or injury that regaining it isn't always straight forward. So, the threat of an unnecessary ban would help sort much of the cheating out. BUT, well done Martin Atkinson. Someone mentioned pre-match that he's about the best ref available. I have to concur from the matches I can remember. I'm sure he makes mistakes and will annoy me in the future, but I am confident that he gives what he actually sees and isn't influenced into giving what he thinks will please the media and big clubs.[/p][/quote]I think it would be easy to over complicate here and whilst the decision yesterday was correct and commendable I cant help feeling that another ref like Twatenburg or Webb would have seen things differently. In effect what I'm saying is that if the decsion is wrong it would be doubly harsh. My solution would be that a yellow card for simulation also carries a £25k (or maybe more) fine for the player. A right of appeal would check decisions but ultimately the player would be paying for the privelege of cheatiing. STID[/p][/quote]I would say that it's more important to 'correct' the decisions given in favour of the diver. After a review, a player who has dived or conned the referee in another way, should be given a red card and fined. Their club should also be fined and, if the 'dive' was a game changer, e.g. led to a red card or a goal, all points gained should be awarded to the other team.[/p][/quote]But by doing those things you are taking away the decsion process away from the ref which may lead to tv monitoring in total. You would also have to revoke many policies that already exist such as only making decisions unseen by the referee etc etc, What if there are 4 or 5 possible game changing events in a game? This is what I mean by over complicating. By imposing a standard fine on players for receving a yellow for simulation, the decision still lies with the ref, and the laws of the game do not change but brings pressure to bear on the 'cheaters' in the game. Ashley Young would have been fined £75k already, not a habit he would wish to continue under those circumstances. STID st1halo

4:41am Fri 3 Jan 14

SiamSaint says...

What a great geezer! This man could have a future in management. Honest, direct, inspirational. Perhaps he should learn Spanish!
What a great geezer! This man could have a future in management. Honest, direct, inspirational. Perhaps he should learn Spanish! SiamSaint

4:46am Fri 3 Jan 14

SiamSaint says...

SiamSaint wrote:
What a great geezer! This man could have a future in management. Honest, direct, inspirational. Perhaps he should learn Spanish!
I am talking about KD here of course, not the ref
[quote][p][bold]SiamSaint[/bold] wrote: What a great geezer! This man could have a future in management. Honest, direct, inspirational. Perhaps he should learn Spanish![/p][/quote]I am talking about KD here of course, not the ref SiamSaint

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