Saints' recent controversial history with referee Mark Clattenburg

Daily Echo: Saints argue with Mark Clattenburg after he awarded a penalty against them at Norwich last season Saints argue with Mark Clattenburg after he awarded a penalty against them at Norwich last season

MARK Clattenburg is certainly no stranger to controversies involving Saints.

The club have reported the referee to the Professional Game Match Officials Ltd board after accusing him of abusive language towards Adam Lallana at Goodison Park last Sunday.

Saints boss Mauricio Pochettino also went public after the game to complain about the fact Saints should have been awarded two penalties - including the one where Lallana’s cross hit Antolin Alcaraz’s hand, leading to Clattenburg’s confrontation with the visiting player.

It was the second time this season Clattenburg had taken charge of a Saints game, and he also angered the club in the first one - the 2-0 loss at Arsenal on November 23.

On that occasion he awarded a penalty against Jose Fonte for tugging the shirt of Per Mertesacker as he defended a corner, allowing Olivier Giroud to score his and Arsenal’s second in the 86th minute.

It was the sort of incident that often goes unpunished.

Fonte said afterwards: “It was very harsh, even Per Mertesacker told me after the game it was very soft.

“I did have my hand on him but I just wish the referees would be consistent.

“If they give that penalty why don’t they give penalties like that every week against Arsenal and Man United?

“I’m a little disappointed with the situation because we were 1-0 down and still in the game with a chance to get the equaliser and it killed the game.”

Prior to that, Clattenburg had angered Saints when he took charge of their game at Norwich City last March.

With the match heading for a low-key draw, Clattenburg awarded Norwich a spot-kick when Luke Shaw tripped Grant Holt as he ran out of the box. Artur Boruc saved Holt’s resultant penalty and the game ended 0-0.

Pochettino was furious. “From seeing it on the pitch I thought it wasn't a penalty,” he said.

“The ball was heading out towards the corner. Luke Shaw was running after ball and his rival clatters into him.

“Upon seeing the review on TV it's super clear to me it's not a penalty at all.”

In December 2012 Clattenburg had sent off Stoke City’s Steven Nzonzi for what he thought was an apparent stamp on Saints midfielder Jack Cork The 24-year-old was shown a straight red, but Stoke subsequently appealed the decision and got it overturned - video evidence showing Clattenburg was wrong.

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9:03am Fri 3 Jan 14

costa gaz says...

He is one of a group of referees who believe that they have a huge part to play in a match, not just making sure the game is played within the laws of the game.

These refs see it as their duty to interpret their own version of the rules as they see fit, which leads to the controversy and inconsistancies.

When the teams enter the arenas the refs take centre stage by leading the teams out and dramatically collecting the match ball from the plinth, this just adds to their already over inflated egos.

I remember the days when the fans didn't even know the refs name unless they looked in the program, now they have become celebrities, signing autographs enjoying all the publicity they recieve.
Time for the FA to take action, put them down to ref a few midweek games at lower league clubs that might bring them down a peg or two.
He is one of a group of referees who believe that they have a huge part to play in a match, not just making sure the game is played within the laws of the game. These refs see it as their duty to interpret their own version of the rules as they see fit, which leads to the controversy and inconsistancies. When the teams enter the arenas the refs take centre stage by leading the teams out and dramatically collecting the match ball from the plinth, this just adds to their already over inflated egos. I remember the days when the fans didn't even know the refs name unless they looked in the program, now they have become celebrities, signing autographs enjoying all the publicity they recieve. Time for the FA to take action, put them down to ref a few midweek games at lower league clubs that might bring them down a peg or two. costa gaz

9:10am Fri 3 Jan 14

saint Compo says...

Clattenburg is no worse than most referees in favouring the 'big' cubs at the expense of the smaller ones. Unfortunately, he also has a propensity to make controversial decisions, perhaps because of an inflated feeling of his own importance which leads him to seek the limelight.

Saints are a bit naïve too. To succeed, you have to cheat through simulating dives (at the risk of a yellow card) and exaggerating the effect of soft tackles to get free kicks and penalties. Sadly, it has become part of the game.

The above said, I think Saints should keep to their policy of fair play under Pochettino and hope that referees see the light - now who's being naïve?!!

COYR
Clattenburg is no worse than most referees in favouring the 'big' cubs at the expense of the smaller ones. Unfortunately, he also has a propensity to make controversial decisions, perhaps because of an inflated feeling of his own importance which leads him to seek the limelight. Saints are a bit naïve too. To succeed, you have to cheat through simulating dives (at the risk of a yellow card) and exaggerating the effect of soft tackles to get free kicks and penalties. Sadly, it has become part of the game. The above said, I think Saints should keep to their policy of fair play under Pochettino and hope that referees see the light - now who's being naïve?!! COYR saint Compo

9:13am Fri 3 Jan 14

insane saint says...

costa gaz wrote:
He is one of a group of referees who believe that they have a huge part to play in a match, not just making sure the game is played within the laws of the game.

These refs see it as their duty to interpret their own version of the rules as they see fit, which leads to the controversy and inconsistancies.

When the teams enter the arenas the refs take centre stage by leading the teams out and dramatically collecting the match ball from the plinth, this just adds to their already over inflated egos.

I remember the days when the fans didn't even know the refs name unless they looked in the program, now they have become celebrities, signing autographs enjoying all the publicity they recieve.
Time for the FA to take action, put them down to ref a few midweek games at lower league clubs that might bring them down a peg or two.
They did hence we ended up with Andy Durso remember him. He was just as terrible for us in league 1 so how is sending Clattenburg down a few leagues going to help him.

he should be sent out to pasture with the cow and bring in some new blood
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: He is one of a group of referees who believe that they have a huge part to play in a match, not just making sure the game is played within the laws of the game. These refs see it as their duty to interpret their own version of the rules as they see fit, which leads to the controversy and inconsistancies. When the teams enter the arenas the refs take centre stage by leading the teams out and dramatically collecting the match ball from the plinth, this just adds to their already over inflated egos. I remember the days when the fans didn't even know the refs name unless they looked in the program, now they have become celebrities, signing autographs enjoying all the publicity they recieve. Time for the FA to take action, put them down to ref a few midweek games at lower league clubs that might bring them down a peg or two.[/p][/quote]They did hence we ended up with Andy Durso remember him. He was just as terrible for us in league 1 so how is sending Clattenburg down a few leagues going to help him. he should be sent out to pasture with the cow and bring in some new blood insane saint

10:04am Fri 3 Jan 14

Clever Dick says...

Yeah. Put him down into league two where some of the teams are well practiced in cheating. (well one is anyway) Seriously though this guys history against the Saints is terrible. Kick him out.
Yeah. Put him down into league two where some of the teams are well practiced in cheating. (well one is anyway) Seriously though this guys history against the Saints is terrible. Kick him out. Clever Dick

11:23am Fri 3 Jan 14

Costa Baz says...

Maybe they already do this, but would it not be a good idea for the PGMO to keep a record of all controversial incidents, the referees are involved in?

A simple spreadsheet listing the teams involved, what team benefitted from the decision, which player(s) was/were involved and did the decision benefit the home or away team.

This would show at a glance if the referee had a tendency to be a "homer" and favour or penalise certain teams or players.

Once a pattern is established, then each referee could be counselled on the findings and warned to improve, or be kept from officiating in games with certain clubs.

The only worry, with refs being human, is that after a warning, they may over compensate in future games, just to balance out their record.
Maybe they already do this, but would it not be a good idea for the PGMO to keep a record of all controversial incidents, the referees are involved in? A simple spreadsheet listing the teams involved, what team benefitted from the decision, which player(s) was/were involved and did the decision benefit the home or away team. This would show at a glance if the referee had a tendency to be a "homer" and favour or penalise certain teams or players. Once a pattern is established, then each referee could be counselled on the findings and warned to improve, or be kept from officiating in games with certain clubs. The only worry, with refs being human, is that after a warning, they may over compensate in future games, just to balance out their record. Costa Baz

12:09pm Fri 3 Jan 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Costa Baz wrote:
Maybe they already do this, but would it not be a good idea for the PGMO to keep a record of all controversial incidents, the referees are involved in?

A simple spreadsheet listing the teams involved, what team benefitted from the decision, which player(s) was/were involved and did the decision benefit the home or away team.

This would show at a glance if the referee had a tendency to be a "homer" and favour or penalise certain teams or players.

Once a pattern is established, then each referee could be counselled on the findings and warned to improve, or be kept from officiating in games with certain clubs.

The only worry, with refs being human, is that after a warning, they may over compensate in future games, just to balance out their record.
It would seem likely that, given his history, Clutts 'over compensated' at Goodison. Given that it was his first game there for six years following his Merseyside derby disaster, he must have been under pressure to lean towards Everton in case he got one wrong against them.

Makes you wonder if Saints were chosen to be the fall guys. Can you imagine the fall out if his first Goodison match in six years had been Everton vs. Chelsea or Manure and he had got that same call wrong? I guess the FA thought, give him a gentle match and he can err in favour of Everton without any major repercussions. They forgot they'd have to deal with The Don.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Maybe they already do this, but would it not be a good idea for the PGMO to keep a record of all controversial incidents, the referees are involved in? A simple spreadsheet listing the teams involved, what team benefitted from the decision, which player(s) was/were involved and did the decision benefit the home or away team. This would show at a glance if the referee had a tendency to be a "homer" and favour or penalise certain teams or players. Once a pattern is established, then each referee could be counselled on the findings and warned to improve, or be kept from officiating in games with certain clubs. The only worry, with refs being human, is that after a warning, they may over compensate in future games, just to balance out their record.[/p][/quote]It would seem likely that, given his history, Clutts 'over compensated' at Goodison. Given that it was his first game there for six years following his Merseyside derby disaster, he must have been under pressure to lean towards Everton in case he got one wrong against them. Makes you wonder if Saints were chosen to be the fall guys. Can you imagine the fall out if his first Goodison match in six years had been Everton vs. Chelsea or Manure and he had got that same call wrong? I guess the FA thought, give him a gentle match and he can err in favour of Everton without any major repercussions. They forgot they'd have to deal with The Don. Strasbourg Saint

1:03pm Fri 3 Jan 14

r dido says...

It's confirmed players have been fixing Engish matches, so are "Poorly" paid ref's above suspicion of same????
It's confirmed players have been fixing Engish matches, so are "Poorly" paid ref's above suspicion of same???? r dido

1:34pm Fri 3 Jan 14

Costa Baz says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Costa Baz wrote:
Maybe they already do this, but would it not be a good idea for the PGMO to keep a record of all controversial incidents, the referees are involved in?

A simple spreadsheet listing the teams involved, what team benefitted from the decision, which player(s) was/were involved and did the decision benefit the home or away team.

This would show at a glance if the referee had a tendency to be a "homer" and favour or penalise certain teams or players.

Once a pattern is established, then each referee could be counselled on the findings and warned to improve, or be kept from officiating in games with certain clubs.

The only worry, with refs being human, is that after a warning, they may over compensate in future games, just to balance out their record.
It would seem likely that, given his history, Clutts 'over compensated' at Goodison. Given that it was his first game there for six years following his Merseyside derby disaster, he must have been under pressure to lean towards Everton in case he got one wrong against them.

Makes you wonder if Saints were chosen to be the fall guys. Can you imagine the fall out if his first Goodison match in six years had been Everton vs. Chelsea or Manure and he had got that same call wrong? I guess the FA thought, give him a gentle match and he can err in favour of Everton without any major repercussions. They forgot they'd have to deal with The Don.
Which confirms MP's comments about refs taking advantage of our young and handsome players, has some substance and is orchestrated from the very top. Corruption at it's worst.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: Maybe they already do this, but would it not be a good idea for the PGMO to keep a record of all controversial incidents, the referees are involved in? A simple spreadsheet listing the teams involved, what team benefitted from the decision, which player(s) was/were involved and did the decision benefit the home or away team. This would show at a glance if the referee had a tendency to be a "homer" and favour or penalise certain teams or players. Once a pattern is established, then each referee could be counselled on the findings and warned to improve, or be kept from officiating in games with certain clubs. The only worry, with refs being human, is that after a warning, they may over compensate in future games, just to balance out their record.[/p][/quote]It would seem likely that, given his history, Clutts 'over compensated' at Goodison. Given that it was his first game there for six years following his Merseyside derby disaster, he must have been under pressure to lean towards Everton in case he got one wrong against them. Makes you wonder if Saints were chosen to be the fall guys. Can you imagine the fall out if his first Goodison match in six years had been Everton vs. Chelsea or Manure and he had got that same call wrong? I guess the FA thought, give him a gentle match and he can err in favour of Everton without any major repercussions. They forgot they'd have to deal with The Don.[/p][/quote]Which confirms MP's comments about refs taking advantage of our young and handsome players, has some substance and is orchestrated from the very top. Corruption at it's worst. Costa Baz

5:01pm Fri 3 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

You have to be careful about tarring all Referees with the same brush, it is only a minority that are "inept", but all the time they have the protection of their governing body, they will remain untouchable. They need to be judged at a different level when it becomes contentious.
You have to be careful about tarring all Referees with the same brush, it is only a minority that are "inept", but all the time they have the protection of their governing body, they will remain untouchable. They need to be judged at a different level when it becomes contentious. OSPREYSAINT

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