Results show how much Saints miss Wanyama

Victor Wanyama

Victor Wanyama

First published in Sport Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Sports Editor

SAINTS’ fall away from the Champions League positions can largely be put down to the absence of one man – Victor Wanyama.

The club hit the heights of third place back in November after a great start to the season saw them winning games and conceding few goals.

Wanyama, a £12m summer signing from Glasgow Celtic, was an ever-present in that run as a holding midfielder.

He might have topped the Premier League lists for the most fouls conceded, but his ability to break up opposition attacks was a key feature of Saints’ impressive first few months.

Ex-Saints striker Gordon Watson has been a regular watcher of his former club this season, and knows Mauricio Pochettino needs to see the Kenyan powerhouse back soon.

“Wanyama has been awesome and we’ve really missed him,” he said.

“Look at how many goals we conceded before he was injured, and how many goals we have conceded since he’s been out injured.

“He’s been an absolute perfect signing for Saints.”

The stats bear out Watson’s comment.

Saints conceded just 11 goals in Waynama’s first 13 and a half league games before he was taken off injured at half-time at home to Aston Villa on December 4.

Since then, starting with the second half against Villa, they have conceded 12 times in six and a half games.

From having one of the best defensive records in the whole of Europe with Wanyama in the side, Saints have dipped away recently.

Only four clubs have conceded more goals in the last six Premier League games than Saints’ ten.

“It’s no co-incidence the form has dipped since he’s been out,” Watson conceded.

“When he was playing, teams didn’t like attacking us down the middle.

“Instead, they shipped the ball out wide where our full packs used their pace to attack the ball.

“When Wanyama was playing teams couldn’t get the ball into dangerous areas.

“He would win the ball and give it to people like Morgan Schneide-rlin.

“We were much more compact as a team when Wanyama was playing.

“Since he’s been out, Steven Davis has played there, Jack Cork’s played there, Morgan’s played there.

“Morgan is not a holding midfielder, though. That’s not his best position at all.

“He’s far better as an attacking force.

“There are a lot of positives at Saints this season, and the three biggest have been Dejan Lovren, Jay Rodriguez and Wanyama.”

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8:37am Thu 9 Jan 14

warrens 76 says...

True far fewer attacks against us whem Wanyama played….and when a certain scoring opportunity against us presented itself Boruc pulled of some world class saves…

Now more attacks and less last line of defence protection….

I feel we we would be 3 draws and a win better off had they been uninjured…so we would still be some way off the top four because lest we forget at the start of the season we did not concede but scored and still score too few...

…obviously everyone is focusing on our defensive frailties without Wanyama, Boruc, Fonte, etc once they return we are back to the lack of free scroing goals situation.
True far fewer attacks against us whem Wanyama played….and when a certain scoring opportunity against us presented itself Boruc pulled of some world class saves… Now more attacks and less last line of defence protection…. I feel we we would be 3 draws and a win better off had they been uninjured…so we would still be some way off the top four because lest we forget at the start of the season we did not concede but scored and still score too few... …obviously everyone is focusing on our defensive frailties without Wanyama, Boruc, Fonte, etc once they return we are back to the lack of free scroing goals situation. warrens 76
  • Score: 11

8:41am Thu 9 Jan 14

St.Yorkie says...

Bit harsh to put all the blame on to players coming in - I think it was a combination of losing Boric, Lovren & Wanyama at some stage all three.

Let's face it Jack Cork has done nothing wrong - we also missed Morgan for one game too.

It's easy to make he connection between this injury - but I put it down to the spine of the team being out all at once. We have missed Boric as much if you ask me - sorry but as much as we all love Kelvin & Jos - they are not in the same league as those they replaced. Poor old Gazza had a baptism of fire with no Lovren in front of him...

Sure we had a much easier start than in last season and we took advantage - we are never a Champions League side compared to most major leagues across Europe. We might have coped with one injury but a few key players have been out at the same time - I guess even Arsenal would have struggled under similar circumstances!!
Bit harsh to put all the blame on to players coming in - I think it was a combination of losing Boric, Lovren & Wanyama at some stage all three. Let's face it Jack Cork has done nothing wrong - we also missed Morgan for one game too. It's easy to make he connection between this injury - but I put it down to the spine of the team being out all at once. We have missed Boric as much if you ask me - sorry but as much as we all love Kelvin & Jos - they are not in the same league as those they replaced. Poor old Gazza had a baptism of fire with no Lovren in front of him... Sure we had a much easier start than in last season and we took advantage - we are never a Champions League side compared to most major leagues across Europe. We might have coped with one injury but a few key players have been out at the same time - I guess even Arsenal would have struggled under similar circumstances!! St.Yorkie
  • Score: 21

8:50am Thu 9 Jan 14

costa gaz says...

He has been missed immensely, but I'd say the absence of Boruc has been more damaging. Boruc gives our defenders so much confidence the way he commands the penalty area.
It'll be great to have both back and we can steady the ship and start winning games again.
He has been missed immensely, but I'd say the absence of Boruc has been more damaging. Boruc gives our defenders so much confidence the way he commands the penalty area. It'll be great to have both back and we can steady the ship and start winning games again. costa gaz
  • Score: 22

8:58am Thu 9 Jan 14

mbetts says...

Wrong, the big difference is Boruc's injury, his absence paired with Davis being injured too forced us to play a rookie in some big matches that made our defence edgy, bad luck and bad timing with the injury, overall a superb season so far tho so plenty of reasons to be cheerful!
Wrong, the big difference is Boruc's injury, his absence paired with Davis being injured too forced us to play a rookie in some big matches that made our defence edgy, bad luck and bad timing with the injury, overall a superb season so far tho so plenty of reasons to be cheerful! mbetts
  • Score: 13

9:03am Thu 9 Jan 14

JohnItaly says...

What news of the return of Wanyama and Boruc?
What news of the return of Wanyama and Boruc? JohnItaly
  • Score: 9

9:05am Thu 9 Jan 14

St Retford says...

People would do well to remember this when he comes back and start moaning like babies because he plays the odd sideways ball or whatever. He's a wonderful, wonderful player and takes so much pressure off the defence.

When's he due back? Anyone?
People would do well to remember this when he comes back and start moaning like babies because he plays the odd sideways ball or whatever. He's a wonderful, wonderful player and takes so much pressure off the defence. When's he due back? Anyone? St Retford
  • Score: 32

9:30am Thu 9 Jan 14

prawn89 says...

Disagree totally - we've just had a really tough run of games in a short space of time. I'd also say that missing Boruc has been more detrimental than Wanyama.

Jack has been great since he's been playing in there and I for one am glad that he has finally got some game time.
Disagree totally - we've just had a really tough run of games in a short space of time. I'd also say that missing Boruc has been more detrimental than Wanyama. Jack has been great since he's been playing in there and I for one am glad that he has finally got some game time. prawn89
  • Score: 1

9:44am Thu 9 Jan 14

Alicesdad says...

Wanyama is missed. True.
Boruc is missed a whole lot more. From the moment he gave the ball to Giroud at Arsenal and then hurt his hand against When he is back we will recover our composure and go back up a few league places.

Lambert is going nowhere, his age may seem to go against him but he gives Poch different attacking options and is not in decline by any means.
Wanyama is missed. True. Boruc is missed a whole lot more. From the moment he gave the ball to Giroud at Arsenal and then hurt his hand against When he is back we will recover our composure and go back up a few league places. Lambert is going nowhere, his age may seem to go against him but he gives Poch different attacking options and is not in decline by any means. Alicesdad
  • Score: 9

9:48am Thu 9 Jan 14

Alicesdad says...

Wanyama is missed. True. I think Cork has lost a bit of confidence but he is a strong part of the squad and we should keep him. Remember his contribution last season.

Boruc is missed a whole lot more. From the moment he gave the ball to Giroud at Arsenal and then hurt his hand against Chelsea, things began to slide. When Artur is back we will recover our composure and go back up a few league places.

Lambert is going nowhere, his age may seem to go against him but he gives Poch different attacking options and is not in decline by any means.

All the other speculation going around is pure tosh. I really dont think we will get Astori. When a deal comes, if oit comes, it will be a surpise and not from the current list of gossip and press puffs.
Wanyama is missed. True. I think Cork has lost a bit of confidence but he is a strong part of the squad and we should keep him. Remember his contribution last season. Boruc is missed a whole lot more. From the moment he gave the ball to Giroud at Arsenal and then hurt his hand against Chelsea, things began to slide. When Artur is back we will recover our composure and go back up a few league places. Lambert is going nowhere, his age may seem to go against him but he gives Poch different attacking options and is not in decline by any means. All the other speculation going around is pure tosh. I really dont think we will get Astori. When a deal comes, if oit comes, it will be a surpise and not from the current list of gossip and press puffs. Alicesdad
  • Score: 4

9:52am Thu 9 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

It wasn't so much that Victor was a superman, it was more that for a while the jigsaw had all the pieces in the right places, without that vital piece, the jigsaw didn't quite look right, it isn't that the replacements were not up to it, they were different, not worse and it takes a while to adjust to a different style. There were other parts of the equation too, the quality of the opposition was higher and we had very little luck with the rub of the green and of course, a few too many dubious decisions, it will, I hope, all will come together again in time, with a bit of help, maybe from a couple of quality signatures just to liven things up a bit. We must think positively and get behind the team if they are to get that coveted top ten position. COYRs
It wasn't so much that Victor was a superman, it was more that for a while the jigsaw had all the pieces in the right places, without that vital piece, the jigsaw didn't quite look right, it isn't that the replacements were not up to it, they were different, not worse and it takes a while to adjust to a different style. There were other parts of the equation too, the quality of the opposition was higher and we had very little luck with the rub of the green and of course, a few too many dubious decisions, it will, I hope, all will come together again in time, with a bit of help, maybe from a couple of quality signatures just to liven things up a bit. We must think positively and get behind the team if they are to get that coveted top ten position. COYRs OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 11

9:56am Thu 9 Jan 14

Jesus_02 says...

warrens 76 wrote:
True far fewer attacks against us whem Wanyama played….and when a certain scoring opportunity against us presented itself Boruc pulled of some world class saves… Now more attacks and less last line of defence protection…. I feel we we would be 3 draws and a win better off had they been uninjured…so we would still be some way off the top four because lest we forget at the start of the season we did not concede but scored and still score too few... …obviously everyone is focusing on our defensive frailties without Wanyama, Boruc, Fonte, etc once they return we are back to the lack of free scroing goals situation.
Completely agree. Wanyama and Cork are different sorts of players. I understand why people like to see Cork play but Wanyama for me has made us more resiliant. As with most things in football its a fine line
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: True far fewer attacks against us whem Wanyama played….and when a certain scoring opportunity against us presented itself Boruc pulled of some world class saves… Now more attacks and less last line of defence protection…. I feel we we would be 3 draws and a win better off had they been uninjured…so we would still be some way off the top four because lest we forget at the start of the season we did not concede but scored and still score too few... …obviously everyone is focusing on our defensive frailties without Wanyama, Boruc, Fonte, etc once they return we are back to the lack of free scroing goals situation.[/p][/quote]Completely agree. Wanyama and Cork are different sorts of players. I understand why people like to see Cork play but Wanyama for me has made us more resiliant. As with most things in football its a fine line Jesus_02
  • Score: 10

9:56am Thu 9 Jan 14

Clever Dick says...

I think we have conceded a few goals with somebody running at the back line and the defenders continuing to back off. The last Villa goal is a case in point. Those are the kind of incidents where VW would have stopped that run before it began. Yes we have missed him and how could we not miss Arturs presence this season. Hopefully both return very soon.
I think we have conceded a few goals with somebody running at the back line and the defenders continuing to back off. The last Villa goal is a case in point. Those are the kind of incidents where VW would have stopped that run before it began. Yes we have missed him and how could we not miss Arturs presence this season. Hopefully both return very soon. Clever Dick
  • Score: 11

10:12am Thu 9 Jan 14

Dickosfc says...

According to Physio Room he's due back on Saturday:

http://www.physioroo
m.com/news/english_p
remier_league/epl_in
jury_table.php

Obviously not 100% but usually a creditable website.
According to Physio Room he's due back on Saturday: http://www.physioroo m.com/news/english_p remier_league/epl_in jury_table.php Obviously not 100% but usually a creditable website. Dickosfc
  • Score: 7

10:35am Thu 9 Jan 14

St Retford says...

Dickosfc wrote:
According to Physio Room he's due back on Saturday:

http://www.physioroo

m.com/news/english_p

remier_league/epl_in

jury_table.php

Obviously not 100% but usually a creditable website.
Man, I hope they're right.

Artur can't be too far off either, after which we're back to full strength and it's happy days just in time for a run of eminently winnable games (other than maybe Arsenal but I'd give us half a chance at home). It's time we got back ahead of Man U.
[quote][p][bold]Dickosfc[/bold] wrote: According to Physio Room he's due back on Saturday: http://www.physioroo m.com/news/english_p remier_league/epl_in jury_table.php Obviously not 100% but usually a creditable website.[/p][/quote]Man, I hope they're right. Artur can't be too far off either, after which we're back to full strength and it's happy days just in time for a run of eminently winnable games (other than maybe Arsenal but I'd give us half a chance at home). It's time we got back ahead of Man U. St Retford
  • Score: 6

10:47am Thu 9 Jan 14

Sunny Saint says...

Can't believe the echo has focused on the 'Bull in a china shop' as the reason for our recent run of bad results, when it's as plane as the nose your face that the prime reason is because we lost our first and second string keepers, and have had to endure the agony of watching a keeper who spends more time on the line than a chinaman in a sweatshop and who flaps like a tin chicken when put under pressure.
Can't believe the echo has focused on the 'Bull in a china shop' as the reason for our recent run of bad results, when it's as plane as the nose your face that the prime reason is because we lost our first and second string keepers, and have had to endure the agony of watching a keeper who spends more time on the line than a chinaman in a sweatshop and who flaps like a tin chicken when put under pressure. Sunny Saint
  • Score: -13

10:47am Thu 9 Jan 14

Poole Tom says...

I think it`s impossible to say who we have missed the most over recent weeks given the number of injuries that we have suffered to our goalkeepers, defenders and defensive midfield players. What can`t be disputed is that we are a clearly a much better team with Boruc, Wanyama and Lovren in the side so hopefully they will all return sooner rather than later. That coupled with a slightly easier run of games should result in an upturn in results. Nevertheless I doubt that we will overtake anyone other than perhaps Newcastle, but ninth is fine by me in just our second season back in the top flight.
I think it`s impossible to say who we have missed the most over recent weeks given the number of injuries that we have suffered to our goalkeepers, defenders and defensive midfield players. What can`t be disputed is that we are a clearly a much better team with Boruc, Wanyama and Lovren in the side so hopefully they will all return sooner rather than later. That coupled with a slightly easier run of games should result in an upturn in results. Nevertheless I doubt that we will overtake anyone other than perhaps Newcastle, but ninth is fine by me in just our second season back in the top flight. Poole Tom
  • Score: 3

11:59am Thu 9 Jan 14

SaintJD says...

It's all about Boruc, not helped by a bad run of luck with sickness and injury that's further unsettled the back five. Yes Victor is a loss, but Cork is a perfectly good deputy. This is not the case when you look at those deputising for Shaw, Fonte and Boruc in particular and (with all due respect to Chambers who is a great prospect, but shouldn't be thrown in at the deep end especially as he's a winger), Clyne.
It's all about Boruc, not helped by a bad run of luck with sickness and injury that's further unsettled the back five. Yes Victor is a loss, but Cork is a perfectly good deputy. This is not the case when you look at those deputising for Shaw, Fonte and Boruc in particular and (with all due respect to Chambers who is a great prospect, but shouldn't be thrown in at the deep end especially as he's a winger), Clyne. SaintJD
  • Score: 2

12:30pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Mush On The Beach says...

warrens 76 wrote:
True far fewer attacks against us whem Wanyama played….and when a certain scoring opportunity against us presented itself Boruc pulled of some world class saves…

Now more attacks and less last line of defence protection….

I feel we we would be 3 draws and a win better off had they been uninjured…so we would still be some way off the top four because lest we forget at the start of the season we did not concede but scored and still score too few...

…obviously everyone is focusing on our defensive frailties without Wanyama, Boruc, Fonte, etc once they return we are back to the lack of free scroing goals situation.
There is a missing part to the jigsaw up front, some are suggesting Jermaine Defoe. I think they are on the right lines but not necessarily the right person, I think he is a tad too old. It’s a small fox in the box type required to complement what we have but I don’t have the answer, so let’s hope the scouts are earning their pay cheques coming up with it.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: True far fewer attacks against us whem Wanyama played….and when a certain scoring opportunity against us presented itself Boruc pulled of some world class saves… Now more attacks and less last line of defence protection…. I feel we we would be 3 draws and a win better off had they been uninjured…so we would still be some way off the top four because lest we forget at the start of the season we did not concede but scored and still score too few... …obviously everyone is focusing on our defensive frailties without Wanyama, Boruc, Fonte, etc once they return we are back to the lack of free scroing goals situation.[/p][/quote]There is a missing part to the jigsaw up front, some are suggesting Jermaine Defoe. I think they are on the right lines but not necessarily the right person, I think he is a tad too old. It’s a small fox in the box type required to complement what we have but I don’t have the answer, so let’s hope the scouts are earning their pay cheques coming up with it. Mush On The Beach
  • Score: 2

12:42pm Thu 9 Jan 14

SaintJD says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
It wasn't so much that Victor was a superman, it was more that for a while the jigsaw had all the pieces in the right places, without that vital piece, the jigsaw didn't quite look right, it isn't that the replacements were not up to it, they were different, not worse and it takes a while to adjust to a different style. There were other parts of the equation too, the quality of the opposition was higher and we had very little luck with the rub of the green and of course, a few too many dubious decisions, it will, I hope, all will come together again in time, with a bit of help, maybe from a couple of quality signatures just to liven things up a bit. We must think positively and get behind the team if they are to get that coveted top ten position. COYRs
Indeed. FIne lines. The fixtures over Christmas and into January always looked tough and the fixtures up to mid November always looked like an opportunity for early points. That said the injuries at the back have robbed us of that tiny bit of defensive resilience that would have got us more points - Villa being a good example. The results will miraculously come back when we get a few fit, which could also coincide with an easier run of games.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: It wasn't so much that Victor was a superman, it was more that for a while the jigsaw had all the pieces in the right places, without that vital piece, the jigsaw didn't quite look right, it isn't that the replacements were not up to it, they were different, not worse and it takes a while to adjust to a different style. There were other parts of the equation too, the quality of the opposition was higher and we had very little luck with the rub of the green and of course, a few too many dubious decisions, it will, I hope, all will come together again in time, with a bit of help, maybe from a couple of quality signatures just to liven things up a bit. We must think positively and get behind the team if they are to get that coveted top ten position. COYRs[/p][/quote]Indeed. FIne lines. The fixtures over Christmas and into January always looked tough and the fixtures up to mid November always looked like an opportunity for early points. That said the injuries at the back have robbed us of that tiny bit of defensive resilience that would have got us more points - Villa being a good example. The results will miraculously come back when we get a few fit, which could also coincide with an easier run of games. SaintJD
  • Score: 3

1:11pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Poole Tom says...

Mush On The Beach wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
True far fewer attacks against us whem Wanyama played….and when a certain scoring opportunity against us presented itself Boruc pulled of some world class saves…

Now more attacks and less last line of defence protection….

I feel we we would be 3 draws and a win better off had they been uninjured…so we would still be some way off the top four because lest we forget at the start of the season we did not concede but scored and still score too few...

…obviously everyone is focusing on our defensive frailties without Wanyama, Boruc, Fonte, etc once they return we are back to the lack of free scroing goals situation.
There is a missing part to the jigsaw up front, some are suggesting Jermaine Defoe. I think they are on the right lines but not necessarily the right person, I think he is a tad too old. It’s a small fox in the box type required to complement what we have but I don’t have the answer, so let’s hope the scouts are earning their pay cheques coming up with it.
Like Billy Sharp?
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: True far fewer attacks against us whem Wanyama played….and when a certain scoring opportunity against us presented itself Boruc pulled of some world class saves… Now more attacks and less last line of defence protection…. I feel we we would be 3 draws and a win better off had they been uninjured…so we would still be some way off the top four because lest we forget at the start of the season we did not concede but scored and still score too few... …obviously everyone is focusing on our defensive frailties without Wanyama, Boruc, Fonte, etc once they return we are back to the lack of free scroing goals situation.[/p][/quote]There is a missing part to the jigsaw up front, some are suggesting Jermaine Defoe. I think they are on the right lines but not necessarily the right person, I think he is a tad too old. It’s a small fox in the box type required to complement what we have but I don’t have the answer, so let’s hope the scouts are earning their pay cheques coming up with it.[/p][/quote]Like Billy Sharp? Poole Tom
  • Score: 1

1:35pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Mush On The Beach says...

Poole Tom wrote:
Mush On The Beach wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
True far fewer attacks against us whem Wanyama played….and when a certain scoring opportunity against us presented itself Boruc pulled of some world class saves…

Now more attacks and less last line of defence protection….

I feel we we would be 3 draws and a win better off had they been uninjured…so we would still be some way off the top four because lest we forget at the start of the season we did not concede but scored and still score too few...

…obviously everyone is focusing on our defensive frailties without Wanyama, Boruc, Fonte, etc once they return we are back to the lack of free scroing goals situation.
There is a missing part to the jigsaw up front, some are suggesting Jermaine Defoe. I think they are on the right lines but not necessarily the right person, I think he is a tad too old. It’s a small fox in the box type required to complement what we have but I don’t have the answer, so let’s hope the scouts are earning their pay cheques coming up with it.
Like Billy Sharp?
Ha, apparently not him Tom, though I desperately wanted it to work out for him with us.
Think of little fellas like Aguero, Tevez, Suarez and then try and subtract a few zeroes of the transfer fee.
[quote][p][bold]Poole Tom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: True far fewer attacks against us whem Wanyama played….and when a certain scoring opportunity against us presented itself Boruc pulled of some world class saves… Now more attacks and less last line of defence protection…. I feel we we would be 3 draws and a win better off had they been uninjured…so we would still be some way off the top four because lest we forget at the start of the season we did not concede but scored and still score too few... …obviously everyone is focusing on our defensive frailties without Wanyama, Boruc, Fonte, etc once they return we are back to the lack of free scroing goals situation.[/p][/quote]There is a missing part to the jigsaw up front, some are suggesting Jermaine Defoe. I think they are on the right lines but not necessarily the right person, I think he is a tad too old. It’s a small fox in the box type required to complement what we have but I don’t have the answer, so let’s hope the scouts are earning their pay cheques coming up with it.[/p][/quote]Like Billy Sharp?[/p][/quote]Ha, apparently not him Tom, though I desperately wanted it to work out for him with us. Think of little fellas like Aguero, Tevez, Suarez and then try and subtract a few zeroes of the transfer fee. Mush On The Beach
  • Score: 1

1:55pm Thu 9 Jan 14

donni1437 says...

Hopefully he comes back soon, he'll walk straight back into the side once fit. He compliments the way we play so well, no-one else in the squad does the job he does.
Hopefully he comes back soon, he'll walk straight back into the side once fit. He compliments the way we play so well, no-one else in the squad does the job he does. donni1437
  • Score: 3

2:11pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

Injured players are all coming back at the right time. what we need to do now is keep in touch with the teams above us - there is a clear gap opening up and we need to be on top of it.

I honestly believe that if we can do that this season, next season will be a blinder. got to keep the momentum going plus it will make us more attractive to prospective signings.

It's been a great season so far, we've shocked a few teams and I am hoping we will see out the rest of the season doing the same thing.
Injured players are all coming back at the right time. what we need to do now is keep in touch with the teams above us - there is a clear gap opening up and we need to be on top of it. I honestly believe that if we can do that this season, next season will be a blinder. got to keep the momentum going plus it will make us more attractive to prospective signings. It's been a great season so far, we've shocked a few teams and I am hoping we will see out the rest of the season doing the same thing. Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: 2

3:14pm Thu 9 Jan 14

sarfhamton says...

Load of tosh! We have lots of injuries, not just in the middle. Its been the combination of players not just one, if one player has been missed the most then its been Boruc.

Cork is better than Wanyama i think,
Load of tosh! We have lots of injuries, not just in the middle. Its been the combination of players not just one, if one player has been missed the most then its been Boruc. Cork is better than Wanyama i think, sarfhamton
  • Score: -10

4:18pm Thu 9 Jan 14

donni1437 says...

sarfhamton wrote:
Load of tosh! We have lots of injuries, not just in the middle. Its been the combination of players not just one, if one player has been missed the most then its been Boruc.

Cork is better than Wanyama i think,
We all have our opinions but it's Poch's that counts. I suspect he'll be back in the side once fit. Cork hasn't kicked on after a great performance against Man City.
[quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: Load of tosh! We have lots of injuries, not just in the middle. Its been the combination of players not just one, if one player has been missed the most then its been Boruc. Cork is better than Wanyama i think,[/p][/quote]We all have our opinions but it's Poch's that counts. I suspect he'll be back in the side once fit. Cork hasn't kicked on after a great performance against Man City. donni1437
  • Score: 3

4:21pm Thu 9 Jan 14

turicky says...

sarfhamton wrote:
Load of tosh! We have lots of injuries, not just in the middle. Its been the combination of players not just one, if one player has been missed the most then its been Boruc.

Cork is better than Wanyama i think,
Can't agree more. One match, we only had Fonte plus four from the bench at the back. Also, not sure VW coped that well with the high pressure from Arsenal and Chelsea, five goals against, one scored. He had a much easier run of games. Unfortunately, we only have a few good reserves at the moment. Let's hope we can sign maybe one more defender. We should now have a few three pointers coming up. Fancy us beating Arsenal if the first team is available.
[quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: Load of tosh! We have lots of injuries, not just in the middle. Its been the combination of players not just one, if one player has been missed the most then its been Boruc. Cork is better than Wanyama i think,[/p][/quote]Can't agree more. One match, we only had Fonte plus four from the bench at the back. Also, not sure VW coped that well with the high pressure from Arsenal and Chelsea, five goals against, one scored. He had a much easier run of games. Unfortunately, we only have a few good reserves at the moment. Let's hope we can sign maybe one more defender. We should now have a few three pointers coming up. Fancy us beating Arsenal if the first team is available. turicky
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4:28pm Thu 9 Jan 14

alanstreet46 says...

Sure, Wanyama has been a great loss for The Sainted Ones over recent weeks. However, I feel that the absence of Artur Boruc has been of almost equal significance because here we have a world-class keeper - almost certainly the best we've had between the sticks since one P Shilton.

Hurry on back as soon as you can please Artur
Sure, Wanyama has been a great loss for The Sainted Ones over recent weeks. However, I feel that the absence of Artur Boruc has been of almost equal significance because here we have a world-class keeper - almost certainly the best we've had between the sticks since one P Shilton. Hurry on back as soon as you can please Artur alanstreet46
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5:26pm Thu 9 Jan 14

donni1437 says...

turicky wrote:
sarfhamton wrote:
Load of tosh! We have lots of injuries, not just in the middle. Its been the combination of players not just one, if one player has been missed the most then its been Boruc.

Cork is better than Wanyama i think,
Can't agree more. One match, we only had Fonte plus four from the bench at the back. Also, not sure VW coped that well with the high pressure from Arsenal and Chelsea, five goals against, one scored. He had a much easier run of games. Unfortunately, we only have a few good reserves at the moment. Let's hope we can sign maybe one more defender. We should now have a few three pointers coming up. Fancy us beating Arsenal if the first team is available.
Can't agree there as Victor was awesome against Arsenal and the whole team crumbled against the Chelsea pressure in the 2nd half. Agreed that Cork has not had that many games with the 'regular' 1st team, but has he stood out to Poch in the games he's played?
[quote][p][bold]turicky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: Load of tosh! We have lots of injuries, not just in the middle. Its been the combination of players not just one, if one player has been missed the most then its been Boruc. Cork is better than Wanyama i think,[/p][/quote]Can't agree more. One match, we only had Fonte plus four from the bench at the back. Also, not sure VW coped that well with the high pressure from Arsenal and Chelsea, five goals against, one scored. He had a much easier run of games. Unfortunately, we only have a few good reserves at the moment. Let's hope we can sign maybe one more defender. We should now have a few three pointers coming up. Fancy us beating Arsenal if the first team is available.[/p][/quote]Can't agree there as Victor was awesome against Arsenal and the whole team crumbled against the Chelsea pressure in the 2nd half. Agreed that Cork has not had that many games with the 'regular' 1st team, but has he stood out to Poch in the games he's played? donni1437
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2:26pm Fri 10 Jan 14

right back in the bar says...

Wrong - combination of other players missing and quality of opposition. Much as I like him we were good enough to beat Villa, Spurs and Newcastle without him but weak defensive line ups were our undoing. Disappointed we are not going into the market for a quality defender which would help steady the push for top 8 position. This piece also does JC a disservice - his performance against Man C ranks in my mind as one of the best individual performances by any Saints player all season.
Wrong - combination of other players missing and quality of opposition. Much as I like him we were good enough to beat Villa, Spurs and Newcastle without him but weak defensive line ups were our undoing. Disappointed we are not going into the market for a quality defender which would help steady the push for top 8 position. This piece also does JC a disservice - his performance against Man C ranks in my mind as one of the best individual performances by any Saints player all season. right back in the bar
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